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“A cultural element is layered on the Russian population”

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“A cultural element is layered on the Russian population”The other day, the Federal State Statistics Service (Rosstat) “pleased” the public with a demographic report for the first half of the year. As expected, the major intonations were replaced by a statement of demographic tragedy. At the same time, in many media outlets, for some reason, it was emphasized that the population in Russia continues to increase. According to state statistics, in January - May 2013, the number of Russian population increased by 41 thousand people.


However, do not rush to rejoice. This increase is artificial or, as demographers say, is an artifact. How can the population grow numerically, when, according to data from the same Rosstat, over the past six months, the death rate exceeded the birth rate by almost 60 thousand?

The explanation of the “demographic growth” lies in the impact of an external factor, which has long been one of the defining changes in population dynamics. As you probably guessed, we are talking about migration. And if more precisely - about immigration. The latter, in the first half of the year, fully compensated for the depopulation of the population and even created the illusion of its reproduction.

In our opinion, the mere fact that migration exceeded demographic losses by 68,8% is more depressing than encouraging. In fact, we were informed that instead of the natural increase among the indigenous people, we had the replacement of one population by another. In other words, the passionary mono-cultural element overlaps the demographically ill Russian population, which inevitably entails a number of not the kindest consequences.

As for the indigenous people, their modest fertility rates began to decline quite predictably. In the future, it will be extremely difficult for officials of relevant departments to broadcast about “demographic successes”. Reproductive crisis acquires the effect of "snowball".

Even in comparison with a modest birth rate for the same interval last year, the current values ​​look more alarming. In the first half of the year, 2013 was born on almost 1000 children less than in the first half of 2012. In the country as a whole, the number of deaths exceeded the number of newborns by 7,5%. However, the abstract average Russian indicator reflects only the “average temperature in the hospital”, hiding the motley drama of the Russian regions. Thus, in the Central Federal District, the death rate exceeds the birth rate by 24,5%, in the North-West - by 17%, in the South - by 15,5%, in the Volga Region - by 12,5%. In some areas, the number of deaths is almost twice the number of births. Such regions include, for example, the Tula and Pskov regions, in which birth certificates are issued for 47% less often than death certificates.

A diametrically opposite demographic picture is observed in the North Caucasus and in several regions of Siberia. For entrepreneurs, there is potentially a greater chance of making money on children's products than funeral services. Unconditional demographic leaders are Ingushetia and Chechnya, where the number of births exceeds the number of deaths in 5,6 and 4,5 times, respectively. They are followed by Dagestan, in which over the past six months the difference in the numbers of newborns and deceased has been tripled in favor of infants. Not bad indicators were again recorded in the republics of Tyva, Altai and Buryatia, in which there were more births than deaths by 57%, 41% and 27%, respectively.

As can be seen from the above figures, thanks to some national republics, the demographic crisis in the Russian Federation is still in a somewhat relaxed form. It is worth noting that it was these demographically prosperous regions that responded to the “maternal capital”. Generous state payments, basically, “stimulated” only that part of the population, which was distinguished by high reproductive attitudes before that. In other regions with a predominant share of the Slavic population, material measures either did not affect the childbearing plans of citizens, or showed a rather modest effect.

Finally, it is worth adding a few words about what was most ignored by functionaries of Rosstat and the media community. If it was written quite enough about migration, mortality and the “increase” of the population, for some reason, once again they were silent about such fundamental demographic processes as marriage and divorce. We fill this information gap.

So, as of June 1, 2013 thousand of marriage unions and 335,4 thousand divorces were registered in Russia in 267,4. The marriage to divorce ratio was 10: 8. It is hardly worth stuttering about demographic stabilization, when 80% of marriages breaks down in the country.
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  1. andrei332809
    andrei332809 20 August 2013 07: 07 New
    18
    and it is necessary to offend some "non-believer" physically or verbally, at once all the civil rights activists start yelling about chauvinism and nationalism
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 20 August 2013 09: 23 New
      13
      Wait, whether there will be more. It is enough to look at the EU, what is happening there, in half a century, the current citizens of the union will take revenge on the streets, and will be servants in the houses of emigrants who made up for the demographic failure in the EU in the past. In Germany, the Turks generally lay big and fat on the Germans, because they were privileged there, helped restore Germany after the Second World War. A similar scenario is possible in Russia, most likely it will be so, a matter of time, and our leadership. Alas.
      1. maxvik
        maxvik 20 August 2013 10: 27 New
        +9
        Yes, what does the manual have to do with it ??? Just a little - bad leadership!
        80% of marriages break up, people do not want to make concessions in relations even with the closest. Liberalism and it is in people's heads. What should management do? Your suggestions? Start a moral education company?
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco 20 August 2013 11: 22 New
          +7
          Quote: maxvik
          Yes, what does the manual have to do with it ???

          Are you so naive and do not understand where does it ALL? I wrote in one post who is guilty.
          You are wrong Yura, in my opinion, in the dominance of the gaster of our cities, in most cases our entrepreneurs are to blame, and the so-called medium-sized business, which do not want to pay a decent salary to the citizens of Russia (the Golden Calf seized these "poor fellows") in which case they frighten the workers or more Uzbeks, or Chinese. They say they will work for a lower salary if this does not suit you. I think many of those present here have faced similar threats, and many receive their salaries in envelopes. From here and all the evil follows, the above.
          So, in this behavior of our businessmen, it is our authorities (leaders) of all ranks who are at fault, from the chairman of the council to the president of the Russian Federation.
          1. maxvik
            maxvik 20 August 2013 12: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: Sirocco
            our authorities (leaders) are at fault, of all ranks, from the chairman of the council to the president of the Russian Federation

            I partially agree with this. But so be it, then what should these leaders do, specifically? How to make thousands of businessmen think not only about money, but also about the interests of society. How to explain to them what to think correctly?
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 20 August 2013 15: 05 New
              +3
              Quote: maxvik
              How to make thousands of businessmen think not only about money, but also about the interests of society. How to explain to them what to think correctly?

              First, shoot the 50 richest people to improve the mental abilities of the rest. wassat
            2. avdkrd
              avdkrd 21 August 2013 02: 00 New
              0

              Everything is quite simple: 1. real liability, including criminal (for example, confiscation of a business using slave labor) for entrepreneurs of any level, including super-privileged and close ones. 2. Real criminal liability for officials in charge of control, with a mandatory investigation of the entire chain, from illegal entry to "agencies" for hiring and ending with PPP and precinct on the assigned territory. 3.Transparent mechanism of public control, when the call 02 is enough, for mandatory biased verification.
              Now the situation is as follows - illegal immigrants work, say, in Chekhov's stalls on Partizanskaya, while the council will tell you that no immigrants have been identified there, the PPS will say that there are only citizens of the Russian Federation, and these "citizens" do not even hum in Russian. Again, there are no guilty ones. Well, there will be a raid by the FMS, well, the owner of the stalls will be fined, but the system will remain the same government, the same PPP (I cannot slander honest people, but somehow I cannot believe in altruism) will come out dry and everything will repeat ...
        2. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 20 August 2013 11: 27 New
          +6
          Quote: maxvik
          Yes, what does the manual have to do with it ??? Just a little - bad leadership!

          Regarding the manual, I want to note the following. Recently, an entity named Medvedev said:
          “I don’t promise you the Heavenly Tabernacles here. Unfortunately, this (the rise in fuel prices) is an objective economic process. The rise in prices will slow down and may even crash if oil prices crash tomorrow. And for our country this is even more trouble than growth gasoline prices, "the prime minister explained.
          if translated into Russian it turns out:
          1. If oil rises in price - gasoline rises in price - get ready to lower the standard of living (objective economic process) however! what
          2. If oil prices fall - your standard of living generally pip-ts! wassat
          We draw conclusions:
          - regardless of oil prices - you (the people) will get worse.
          - Russia is a raw material colony, because Your (people's) standard of living is directly dependent on oil prices.
          Here you are not zapadlo feed such a government?

          Quote: maxvik
          What should management do? Your suggestions?

          And if I work for leadership and make decisions, will they give me a Mercedes, an apartment in Moscow and a place in the State Duma? laughing
          1. maxvik
            maxvik 20 August 2013 12: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: S_mirnov
            - regardless of oil prices - you (the people) will get worse.

            here you are cunning, petrodollars are invested in the country's infrastructure and this is evident. It is clear that the effectiveness of these investments is not 100%.

            Quote: S_mirnov
            - Russia is a raw material colony, because Your (people's) standard of living is directly dependent on oil prices.

            is just a fact.

            Quote: S_mirnov
            And if I work for leadership and make decisions, will they give me a Mercedes, an apartment in Moscow and a place in the State Duma?

            Can you blame the leadership for free? But think so immediately apartment;).

            I asked a simple question - what needs to be done in this situation. But in response received repeated claims to the leadership. I repeat 80% of marriages break up and this is a problem.
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 20 August 2013 14: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: maxvik
              I asked a simple question - what needs to be done in this situation.

              If you want a free answer - study the experience of the USSR, in this matter our ancestors have achieved significant success, despite the Second World War.
            2. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 20 August 2013 14: 14 New
              +2
              Quote: maxvik
              here you are cunning, petrodollars are invested in the country's infrastructure and this is evident.

              I say - stupid people! Instead of investing in industry, which just provides jobs and salaries to the population - i.e. demographic growth, in our city all curbs on the roads have been replaced! And almost simultaneously! The whole city is in traffic, but guest workers were provided with work. The plant producing the curbstone is respectively owned by the mayor's relatives.
        3. ziqzaq
          ziqzaq 20 August 2013 15: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: maxvik
          What should management do? Your suggestions? Start a moral education company?

          The current leadership will only think about itself within the framework that the people will allow it ... Hence the conclusion: we need to be more actively interested in the political life of the country, join a patriotic party, vote in elections, i.e. more actively express their political will ... Otherwise, such as Navalny and Medvedev, Kokhi and Chubais will generally do what they want ....
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 20 August 2013 16: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: ziqzaq
            actively express their political will ..

            The idea is very correct, the trouble is that in Russia the feedback between the people and the government is destroyed, i.e. people practically do not affect power.
            1. Drednout
              Drednout 20 August 2013 18: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: maxvik
              Yes, what does the manual have to do with it ??? Just a little - bad leadership!
              80% of marriages break up, people do not want to make concessions in relations even with the closest. Liberalism and it is in people's heads. What should management do? Your suggestions? Start a moral education company?

              Why not. First of all, the media! Zomboyaschik - a double-edged sword! It’s just that this complicated and lengthy process of restoring the demographic situation needs to start with at least banning all kinds of pederaches and injecting the brains of youth with values ​​that are needed for the people into the brains of beer and jaguar. The chances are small, but it’s time for the next generation!
            2. ziqzaq
              ziqzaq 21 August 2013 15: 03 New
              +1
              Quote: S_mirnov
              The idea is very correct, the trouble is that in Russia the feedback between the people and the government is destroyed, i.e. people practically do not affect power.

              It also affects how, for example, a rally of 80-90 million people will be held all over the country and there will be one thesis: the current government will resign (well, except for a few people), I assure you that the authorities will not ignore such a fact .....
              1. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 21 August 2013 23: 55 New
                0
                Quote: ziqzaq
                for example, it will be at a rally of millions that way 80-90 across the country

                Fuck there! Firstly, the administration does not agree on this rally! And he will be illegal!
                Secondly, these are already "popular unrest" ie. NATO has the right to send its troops into the territory of the Russian Federation for suppression (the corresponding law has already been approved by the State Duma and adopted in the first reading), if you are not aware!
                Literally on the side of the comments I read the news posted on this site:
                "The time-tested, authoritative source of information" Izvestia "with an impeccable reputation as regards the reliability of the data, once again, citing a source in the defense industry in support of subsequent information, reports on the purchase of nine hundred million cartridges for pistols from Russian manufacturers by private American companies and automatic machines. "
                http://voennovosti.ru/2013/05/amerikancy-zapaslis-milliardom-rossijskix-patronov
                /
                This LJZH- not casual!
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 21 August 2013 23: 58 New
                  0
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  NATO has the right to send troops to the territory of the Russian Federation


                  ............?! winked
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  for suppression (the relevant law has already been approved by the State Duma and adopted on first reading)


                  what is it called?
        4. michajlo
          michajlo 21 August 2013 03: 38 New
          0
          maxvik RU Yesterday, 10:27 ↑
          Good evening, dear Yuri!

          Let me disagree with you. The Russian people’s leadership does NOTHING for their own people.

          In addition, as you RIGHTLY noticed that today "people do not want to make concessions", there is no STATE support for the family and the birth of children of RUSSIANS, not non-immigrant non-believers.

          This concept "in the old abusive dictatorial times" included the upbringing from school of the cult of the family, the birth of children, life with the whole family (child, parents, grandparents), AFFORDABLE nurseries and kindergartens at the price and proximity to the place of residence, targeted assistance on the employment of young people, the acquisition of housing (a hostel, an apartment, a house with a garden plot), medical assistance for women, pregnant women and children, as well as many other things that do not fit into the state capitalism of all states on the territory of the CIS, with the exception of Belarus.

          And this "state indifference" will end with the fact that the Russians, the Slavs in 30-40 years will be a NATURE-MENCHINE in their native countries!

          But this does not bother the current authorities, the main thing for them until the end of "steering the country" is to grab more and arrange everything for family members ...
        5. Very old
          Very old 21 August 2013 05: 38 New
          0
          Today they forgot what morality is and why moral education is needed. And without these fundamental values, is it worth waiting for an improvement in the demographic picture in the country
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 20 August 2013 23: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: Sirocco
        the lessons generally lay big and thick on the Germans, because they were privileged there, helped restore Germany after the Second World War. A similar scenario is possible in Russia, most likely it will be so, a matter of time, and our leadership. Alas.


        let the smaller Germans in Germany pursue their careers and their dogs)))) and they should know more about their wives and pay less attention to the rights of lesbians and gays !!!! and for Turks, as for a normal Christian, the main thing is family values ​​and with a post they fulfill their conjugal duties /! by the way and YOU, in Russia, too, you need to drink less and directly deal with the replenishment of the number of members of your family hi
        1. Genera
          Genera 21 August 2013 04: 53 New
          0
          In, absolutely right, fewer words, more action. Everything, before you comments "Garbage in the bucket". The authorities are to blame here, gays, etc. Look at everyone here, and you yourself have done something to improve the demographic situation in the country.
  2. Bort radist
    Bort radist 20 August 2013 07: 09 New
    +5
    "A diametrically opposite demographic picture is observed in the North Caucasus and in a number of regions of Siberia." For Siberia - I confirm a lot of children, many young families have two children, and not for the sake of mat. capital. But state support certainly does not interfere.
    1. domokl
      domokl 20 August 2013 07: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: Bort Radist
      For Siberia - I confirm a lot of children, two children from many young families and not for the sake of mat. capital. But state support certainly does not interfere.

      But here it’s quite rare with us, alas. We are not among some of these regions. Last year, according to our statistics department, those born only a few people exceed the dead fellow
    2. consul
      consul 20 August 2013 09: 42 New
      +5
      for population growth, at least three children need to give birth, ideally, give birth while the body allows the woman.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 20 August 2013 11: 59 New
        +8
        Quote: consul
        Ideally, give birth while a woman allows her body.

        They made me laugh. Up to 50? Or up to 60? A woman is also a man, not an incubator.
        No need to go too far. Another is imperative.
        Restore a normally oriented worldview.

        Girls should marry young, and not cohabit with one or the other and run through tavern clubs. And also, after all, a career ... And also a woman who wants a car apartment ...

        Young couples should give birth to children, and understand that there has always been a headache about daily bread. But she should never be an argument against the kids.

        And the state must finally attend to the spiritual and moral education of youth, support for young couples, employment of young professionals, etc.

        All this is a long and painstaking work. And he will bear fruit soon. Therefore, you need to tackle the problem as quickly as possible.
    3. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 20 August 2013 11: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: Bort Radist
      two children in many young families and not for the sake of mat. capital. But state support certainly does not interfere.

      The government of Putin and Medvedev is already strenuously thinking how to rectify the situation in your regions!

      “According to Rossiyskaya Gazeta, the Ministry of Finance and HSE experts propose to make government spending more efficient. To achieve this goal, it is proposed to abolish maternity capital from 2016 and to index pensions not twice a year, as it is now, but once. it is proposed to stimulate later retirement, and in the distant future to return to the consideration of raising the retirement age.

      It is expected that such measures will save several trillion rubles in a few years.

      Read more at: http://ekb.dkvartal.ru/news/minfin-poprosil-otmenit-materinskij-kapital-23675433
      1 # ixzz2cUiHUsY5
      I don’t know about you, but I’m sure the government doesn’t need extra mouths. To serve the gas and oil pipes, so many people do not need.
      1. Genera
        Genera 21 August 2013 05: 01 New
        0
        Here you are like ANT - you carry all crap. Take your spouse and increase demographics in the country if you worry about her. If you don’t like it, then what keeps you going, go to another country and drag the crap on yourself. And in general you smell of liberal.
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 22 August 2013 00: 07 New
          0
          Quote: Genera
          If you don’t like it, then what keeps you, go to another country and drag the crap on yourself

          You see, the individual, here is my Motherland, the land of my ancestors (you, the flawed one, cannot be understood, but all the same ...), so I won’t leave anywhere!
          Quote: Genera
          And in general you smell of liberal.

          And so as not to smell, often wash and clean your nostrils! Then ... shit will not carry any!
  3. koksalek
    koksalek 20 August 2013 07: 14 New
    +6
    Business has been built on migrants for a long time already by the power-holders and it seems to them deeply violet that one population is being replaced by another. While this brings income, they never in their right mind will abandon this gold mine and their beautiful speeches from a high tribune about demography are aimed at reassuring the population, but not at all to solve the problem.
  4. krasin
    krasin 20 August 2013 07: 31 New
    +7
    I don’t know how it is with statistics, but in my entrance, there are three strollers on the platform, there were a lot of mothers with children on the street that earlier (10-7 years ago) were not.
    We are growing slowly! And with migration, it’s just necessary to regulate. So what they will build for us they won’t drag out to their home, everything will remain here!
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 20 August 2013 09: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: krasin
      .What they will build for us, they will not drag them to their home, everything will be sdes and will remain!

      But they dismiss nothing and do not collect, remain here, multiply, and even cause tribesmen. The entire Far East is populated by the Chinese, they say there is some kind of program in China, the essence is this, the Chinese authorities help with money, those who travel to Russia, get married and have children in Russia. What is it for?
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 20 August 2013 09: 30 New
        +2
        For some reason, the opinion that the Far East is populated by the Chinese is surprising among the inhabitants of the Far East themselves. You never know what they chat.
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco 20 August 2013 10: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: Arabist
          For some reason, the opinion that the Far East is populated by the Chinese is surprising among the inhabitants of the Far East themselves. You never know what they chat.

          )))))))))))) And who told you that this is an opinion? and what are they talking about? Come and check. No one is hiding in the markets. Openly traded, and clothes and wood.
          1. Arabist
            Arabist 20 August 2013 10: 10 New
            -2
            We and the Armenians are openly trading with the Greeks and no one is panicking. I’ll come as an opportunity.
            1. Sirocco
              Sirocco 20 August 2013 11: 12 New
              +2
              Quote: Arabist
              --- The Chinese genotype is extremely resistant, it can be said aggressive. Children in mixed marriage in the second generation will be 100% Chinese ..........
          2. Far East
            Far East 20 August 2013 12: 09 New
            0
            Quote: Sirocco
            )))))))))))) And who told you that this is an opinion? and what are they talking about? Come and check. No one is hiding in the markets. Openly traded, and clothes and wood.

            Well, sho, sho trade! sold left, others stopped by. this is not said, they will stay here for permanent residence. before there were more. with respect.
            1. Sirocco
              Sirocco 20 August 2013 12: 37 New
              +1
              I will not argue more of them, or less. I am more concerned about another question that I wrote in a post above.
              they say in China there is some kind of program, the essence is this, the Chinese authorities help with money, those who travel to Russia, get married and give birth to children in Russia.
              I will add that Russians give birth to children from the Chinese. And second, an acquaintance who tried to organize a business in China (Russian cuisine), was "devoured" by the Chinese, did not allow development, and bought the business on the cheap. And we have the opposite, all businessmen from the union republics, and gr. China, in business GREEN light.
              1. Far East
                Far East 20 August 2013 13: 35 New
                +2
                Quote: Sirocco
                I will add that Russians give birth to children from the Chinese. And second, an acquaintance who tried to organize a business in China (Russian cuisine), "they ate

                My dearest to your minus anyway! were you yourself in the border zone of china? you look how many OURS bought apartments there! sooooo much, and pensioners too. but about business, I don’t know how your friend is! but there ours (car workshops, a bakery, etc.) and ours can be deployed there! before writing, go there! see it for yourself! with respect. hi
          3. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 20 August 2013 13: 17 New
            +4
            In Komsomolsk, Chinese markets have long been closed and you rarely see the Chinese on the street, hide in the garages
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 20 August 2013 10: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: Sirocco
        What is it for?
        --- The Chinese genotype is extremely resistant, it can be said aggressive. Children in mixed marriage in the second generation will be 100% Chinese ..........
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 20 August 2013 13: 39 New
          0
          It is a fact that their blood is overtaking. in Chinese, a Chinese is usually born from a Russian
          1. alone
            alone 20 August 2013 20: 31 New
            +1
            what do you want an African born?)))
            1. Arabist
              Arabist 20 August 2013 21: 03 New
              +1
              You are just like George Carlin. laughing
            2. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 21 August 2013 13: 36 New
              0
              At least mestizo
  5. domokl
    domokl 20 August 2013 07: 44 New
    13
    The problem in the article was raised by archi serious. At first glance, they are born, well, let them be born. But everything is much more tragic. The Caucasian and Asian regions are really developing. But soon, or rather now, newborns will begin to look for places to live. Relocate to new lands. And where do we have new lands? There are none. But for that is, the deserted lands of central Russia, Siberia, the Far East.
    If during the Soviet era such migration didn’t threaten anything. The government artificially, through sending to work, moral and material incentives sent representatives of different republics to these lands, now it’s lost. Now the diasporas are coming. And this means that cultures are mixed. It’s hard to imagine that Chechens who came to the village with 10-20 residents will live according to Russian or Tatar or Mordovian traditions. They, already because there are more of them, will live according to their own laws and traditions. Do local remnants of the people want this net.Pravo majority.
    So, after 5-10 years, a surge of ethnic conflicts should be expected already on Russian lands. The government has very little time to solve this problem. The first bursts have already been and will be.
    1. True
      True 20 August 2013 09: 25 New
      +3
      Here the vote goes, the face of Russia is chosen ... http://10russia.ru/
  6. treskoed
    treskoed 20 August 2013 07: 48 New
    +5
    The undisputed demographic leaders are Ingushetia and Chechnya, where the number of births exceeds the number of deaths by 5,6 and 4,5 times, respectively. They are followed by Dagestan, in which over the past six months the difference in the numbers of newborns and deceased was three times in favor of infants.

    I will not be mistaken if I say that these same regions are leaders in the number of budget injections and tax benefits!
    1. Artyom
      Artyom 21 August 2013 01: 52 New
      +1
      yes, but this is not the same outflow to Russia does not stop. There is no work!
  7. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 20 August 2013 07: 49 New
    +2
    The same story, there are a lot of young mothers and fathers on the street with two children each, but the mat capital is still small ...
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 21 August 2013 00: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: sasha.28blaga
      The same story, there are a lot of young mothers and fathers on the street with two children each, but the mat capital is still small ...

      I have two sons, born in 1991 and 1995, and put nothing on my feet without any material, I would have a desire ...
      But I do not deny that he is needed ...
  8. Constantine
    Constantine 20 August 2013 08: 02 New
    +5
    Oh, I do not know. Every day I see dozens of strollers / pregnant women / small children. Either friend was born a son, then another daughter. Or do I live in another country? request
    1. Furnace driver
      Furnace driver 20 August 2013 12: 01 New
      0
      You do not live in Moscow. for sure
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 20 August 2013 12: 05 New
        +2
        Moscow is not all of Russia.
        1. Furnace driver
          Furnace driver 20 August 2013 12: 09 New
          -1
          We know without snotty.
          My answer is that in Moscow the situation described by Konstantin is not observed, respectively, Konstantin does not live in a golden-headed.
          1. Arabist
            Arabist 20 August 2013 12: 13 New
            0
            Wipe the nozzle itself, I can give a napkin.
  9. Kite
    Kite 20 August 2013 08: 03 New
    +4
    How not to shrink the population if my peers in most cases in families were the only children. Now the time has come, their parents are leaving in a sequence, and my peers greatly complement this account.
  10. darksoul
    darksoul 20 August 2013 08: 49 New
    +5
    Quote: Constantine
    Oh, I do not know. Every day I see dozens of strollers / pregnant women / small children. Either friend was born a son, then another daughter. Or do I live in another country?


    We have the same thing ... strollers sea ...... animals really also the sea)))
  11. korvin1976
    korvin1976 20 August 2013 09: 08 New
    +7
    The article is complete nonsense. I live in the Tula region, where, as stated in the article, a complete "northern animal" with fertility. I live in an area of ​​a city that is quite large, but at the same time, due to my work, I have to travel throughout the Tula region. And believe me, there is no question of any decline in the birth rate. For the last time (about two years) I personally have the impression that people have begun to breed like cats, I apologize for the comparison, but it is the most appropriate.
    People make children, give birth to them, and this is not an indisputable fact, just like the fact that the birth rate over the past two years has increased by many times.
    Yes, one could say that mortality has increased, again complete nonsense, my father-in-law works in a funeral home, and to whom if he does not judge mortality. I can’t say that mortality has completely disappeared, or has fallen significantly, but mortality has decreased and has decreased quite noticeably, and this again over the past two years.
    We have a village near the city, because there, as the demographic bomb "exploded" at one time, so apparently its effect continues to this day, there are twice as many wheelchairs on the streets as there are cars. At the same time, an urban-type settlement with a population of about 15-20 thousand people with a sufficiently developed infrastructure.
    What kind of decline in the birth rate can there be if the queues in kindergartens are packed for years to come, every month I open new groups in the kindergartens, and once a year new kindergartens are opened, and there are still catastrophic places.
    Maybe I judge only in the Tula region, but in an article about her they wrote that the matter is absolutely seams.
    And my post is one of those blows that should destroy the bullshit and bloated is not clear what statistics
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 20 August 2013 11: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: korvin1976
      Article is complete nonsense.

      Wrong.
      Quote: korvin1976
      Yes, one could say that mortality has increased, again complete nonsense

      Quote: korvin1976
      my father-in-law works in a funeral home

      And I have a funeral home myself. Statistics are only for our area. For the first half of the year 41 birth certificates and 73 death certificates were issued. As we can see, the excess is almost 2 times. Naturally, the regions differ, the districts differ, but there is a general tendency for the death rate to exceed the birth rate alas, it remains. On average in the country, I think of course not as catastrophically as in our region, but the article is close to the truth. Its a plus.
      1. Furnace driver
        Furnace driver 20 August 2013 12: 07 New
        0
        As a rule, fertility is in full swing in small towns and villages where there is stability.
        where there is devastation, youth leaves closer to earnings in the cities.
        but in big cities mortality goes off the scale, there is no birth rate - I judge in Moscow: there are so many deaths ... premature, but few children, very few.
        1. Genera
          Genera 21 August 2013 05: 23 New
          -1
          Muscovites fiddled with fun they want, have seen enough of Europe. The fish rots from the head.
  12. Arabist
    Arabist 20 August 2013 09: 09 New
    +4
    Rosstat? Well, we know 3 types of lies-lies, blatant lies and statistics.
  13. Nick_1972
    Nick_1972 20 August 2013 09: 30 New
    +3
    For population growth to be observed, it is necessary that on average more than two children are born in a family. If two, then this is the maximum maintenance of the already achieved strength. Now a question for commentators observing a population explosion in individual regions of Russia: do you personally know families with more than two children? For example, three, four?
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 20 August 2013 09: 32 New
      +2
      Well, then what?
      1. Nick_1972
        Nick_1972 20 August 2013 12: 25 New
        +3
        I am glad for you and for your locality. And unfortunately I have only one such familiar families. In the rest there are mostly one or two children. And in such a situation, there is no need to talk about population growth. No matter how many strollers there were in the entrance. Moreover, partly a surge in the birth rate in n. the time is explained by the fact that the "children of perestroika" entered the fertile age, i.e. children born in the baby boom of the second half of the eighties. And they are already being replaced by the few children of the 90s with all the ensuing consequences.
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 20 August 2013 13: 36 New
      +1
      In dysfunctional families, we have 7 and 12 children each. Live and drink at nurseries
  14. Alez
    Alez 20 August 2013 09: 47 New
    +4
    Statistics is a type of lie.
  15. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 20 August 2013 10: 02 New
    +4
    Until the authorities think about the indigenous population, the situation will worsen.
  16. Stalin
    Stalin 20 August 2013 10: 17 New
    +3
    The article is a complete lie. These pro-American media have already been bullied. Unas in the yard compared with the period of five years ago, strollers and mothers are a dime a dozen. Some children squeals, which is very pleasing. Demographics are growing and no need to lie. This Goebel propaganda already got it.
  17. psv910
    psv910 20 August 2013 10: 31 New
    +3
    So, as of June 1, 2013 thousand of marriage unions and 335,4 thousand divorces were registered in Russia in 267,4. The marriage to divorce ratio was 10: 8. It is hardly worth stuttering about demographic stabilization, when 80% of marriages breaks down in the country.

    Housing needs to be built! And the problem itself will disappear, as if it weren’t! And introduce an unrealistic tax on surplus housing, so that they could not even think about buying an apartment not for their residence.
    80% of divorces? Complete nonsense.
  18. Constantine
    Constantine 20 August 2013 10: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: darksoul
    We have the same thing ... strollers sea ...... animals really also the sea)))


    So I’m lucky) I basically have our smile
  19. psv910
    psv910 20 August 2013 10: 53 New
    +2
    The undisputed demographic leaders are Ingushetia and Chechnya, where the number of births exceeds the number of deaths by 5,6 and 4,5 times, respectively. They are followed by Dagestan, in which over the past six months the difference in the numbers of newborns and deceased was three times in favor of infants.

    Most likely, these figures come from the same opera as 100% of the Unified State Examination in these regions.
  20. Ross
    Ross 20 August 2013 10: 57 New
    +3
    Quote: maxvik
    Yes, what does the manual have to do with it ??? Just a little - bad leadership!
    80% of marriages break up, people do not want to make concessions in relations even with the closest. Liberalism and it is in people's heads. What should management do? Your suggestions? Start a moral education company?


    Moral education is the basis of the health of the nation!
  21. Yeraz
    Yeraz 20 August 2013 11: 46 New
    +3
    I think no one here discovered America, but the fact that some people refute these statistics in my yard is ridiculous. In my class, half of the students have divorced parents. I am a representative of the young generation and I know very well the mindset of Russian youth and everyone has 2 children in my head this is the first type of heroism and marriage before 25 of the same series. And the situation is getting worse. And here the situation cannot be changed by material benefits, you can correct a bit, but except in those cases if you don’t give millions for a child))) you need to install it in your head change, I already said that you watch on all sorts of MTV and other channels where the Western way of life, parties and a lot of things very often begin to appear when you go out on the street and it personally annoys me.
    1. Furnace driver
      Furnace driver 20 August 2013 12: 11 New
      +2
      this is basically what young people in big cities think. nobody relies on them.
  22. optimist
    optimist 20 August 2013 11: 54 New
    -4
    Interesting: somewhere else on Earth there is still a place where they do not let the black berries? Here, it seems, all the Slavs will be black slaves in 20-30 years ...
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 20 August 2013 12: 09 New
      +1
      And Mavrodi dollars will crowd out US dollars, Tajikistan will become a superpower and more. Your forecasts do not match your nickname. What are the future prospects?
      1. optimist
        optimist 20 August 2013 12: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: Arabist
        Your forecasts do not match your nickname. What are the future prospects?

        Who is a pissimist? This is a well-informed optimist! I recommend that you go to Chechnya or Dagestan and dance "Russian" somewhere. I am sure: this will be the last dance in your life! laughing
        1. Arabist
          Arabist 20 August 2013 12: 21 New
          0
          Be sure who is bothering you. Scientists were also sure that the atom is indivisible.
  23. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 20 August 2013 13: 31 New
    +2
    In Japan, there are a lot of Caucasians, Pakistanis, Turks, they stimulate migration to mix blood. The problem of the island state. And do not worry. Us Russians are much more Caucasians, they just bunch
  24. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 20 August 2013 14: 42 New
    +6
    The current Russian government usually relies precisely on the regions of the North Caucasus, where Putin earned 120% in the last elections, and I am sure that this is not the magician Churov, but there really is for Putin, because. Recently, huge money has been poured into the region, but for some reason the North Caucasus does not supply Russia with anything but moral monsters, in regions with a predominance of the Russian population, support for Pu averaged about 55-60%, but this is with the "work" of a magician, In reality, Putin's rating in these regions would, with a big stretch, reach 30% at best ... This is the government that supports its own people to please the rest of the population. Here are Uzbeks, Tajiks and other labor migrants who come to Russia to still earn money and most of them really work normally , of course, there is a huge number of illegal immigrants, but it is not Uzbeks and Tajiks who are to blame, but our plundered government, which is so profitable. "Mountain eagles" do not work, they wander around the city idly picking up now here, then there, when you catch them and start either shake the knife, or the traumatics will fall out, it looks like they can't do anything except dancing and banditry. Henry Ford did not like Jews and spoke openly about it, why I cannot say in my country that I am not blue "eagles", let them sit in their auls and graze the sheep, nothing else can be entrusted to them.
  25. Vtel
    Vtel 20 August 2013 15: 52 New
    +2
    So far, Russia is ruled by Russians, not Russians, and therefore it is not profitable that there are more Russians — scary however. Here is the percentage: 40 + 40 = 40 rubles! took matches - no, two fifty ...
  26. Crang
    Crang 20 August 2013 17: 12 New
    +4
    Vote further for this power. And we remaining Russians on planet Earth will soon have to look for another house. Where any unauthorized entry will be strictly prohibited. And this is not our campaign.
  27. Jack122
    Jack122 20 August 2013 17: 44 New
    -2
    The ratio of marriage and divorce was 10: 8. It is hardly worth stammering about demographic stabilization when 80% of marriages break up in the country.
    ----
    This is not the first time I've heard a number, I think it's true. What kind of solution to the demographic problem can be discussed? Our people dug their own grave for a long time and scored a bolt for all problems. You can throw stones, but this is a natural selection
    1. Jack122
      Jack122 20 August 2013 17: 57 New
      +3
      In general, on the other hand, the situation is usually described as a national catastrophe from the series "we will all die tomorrow." Maybe this is on purpose: shock therapy for people who have lost their passionarity. Earlier in the 90s we died out "in silence", now there is awareness and fear, understanding that it is time to take a head and not time to drink "vodka"
  28. 771213
    771213 21 August 2013 14: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Sirocco
    Quote: Arabist
    For some reason, the opinion that the Far East is populated by the Chinese is surprising among the inhabitants of the Far East themselves. You never know what they chat.

    )))))))))))) And who told you that this is an opinion? and what are they talking about? Come and check. No one is hiding in the markets. Openly traded, and clothes and wood.

    I am a resident of the Far East and the Chinese are no more than in any other region of Russia. Some alarmists around! would lick snot dissolve as everything is bad
  29. radio operator
    radio operator 21 August 2013 16: 26 New
    0
    So, as of June 1, 2013 thousand of marriage unions and 335,4 thousand divorces were registered in Russia in 267,4. The marriage to divorce ratio was 10: 8. It is hardly worth stuttering about demographic stabilization, when 80% of marriages breaks down in the country.

    That's right, the situation is arch-serious!

    By the way, a very good site is the Russian People’s Line, where the article came from.
    Recommend.
  30. clean water
    clean water 21 August 2013 17: 52 New
    0
    Quote: sasha.28blaga
    but mat capital is still small ...

    And what does MAT have to do with it?