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"Once upon a time there was a woman," or Strange "evolution"

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"Once upon a time there was a woman," or Strange "evolution"



I didn’t want to watch this movie, I didn’t. I knew that if the liberal press and the modern Russian intelligentsia praise the film, then this is no longer a film, but another batch of filth on all of us - the people of Russia.

So it happened.

But, everything is in order. The decision to watch the film came from the desire to understand the creative "evolution" of the director Smirnov, the author of this film and the fact that he shot more than thirty-five years ago, the film "Belarus Station".

What is this sensational film about? On the life of the peasants of the Russian countryside, the imperial and Soviet? I think no.

Not to say that the film depresses and leaves a depressing impression. The film crushes with its constant filth, cruelty, which the author savors in detail, how various perverts savor and emphasize all naturalistic details in pornography and sadistic scenes.

But it was the same! The author exposes the silenced truth! - liberal opponents may object to me.

Was it really, I do not know. Something like that probably was. The entire 20 century, especially its first half, was filled with suffering and cruelty. The death toll was greater than the total history humanity put together (this is my guess). In any case, in the stories of my own grandparents, their numerous brothers-sisters, from the stories of their fellow villagers, I have not seen anything like it.

The ancestors of the mother were from Siberia and Northern Kazakhstan. Mom's grandfather was an ensign of the tsarist army, and his father was a red commander, went through the entire Civil and Great Patriotic War.

Ancestors of the father, from Western Ukraine and Poland. My father's grandfather was the chief clerk of the noble Warsaw pan and “held” part of the Zdolbunovsky district of the Rivne region in their strong hands. His father (my grandfather) served in the Polish army (before the accession of Western Ukraine to the USSR). During the war he was shot by the Germans and this is a separate tragic story of our family.

All my ancestors, at different times, went through links. Babusu and my little father were sent to the Far East in the Khabarovsk Territory for logging in the 46 year. There she met my grandfather (not my bloodline, but my spirit and upbringing family). Later he moved my grandmother and my father to Fergana. The family of the mother, before the war, was sent to Central Asia, also in Fergana. By the beginning of the 50s, my parents met there, and I was born.

Very often I sat and listened to the memories and stories about THAT, the old time. They were eagerly told by all my grandparents. Who, where, how, whom, for what, why. I have never heard anger in their voice or resentment at Soviet power. Grandfather (not native) sometimes criticized hypocrisy that was taking place, but he was the same everywhere - at home, on the street, and at work. He was not a communist, but he was greatly respected by others, because he was open, honest and fair. He was not afraid of anyone, “sculpted” the truth in the womb in the eye, regardless of rank and rank. And what was he afraid of? He met the war in the Brest garrison, by the evening of the first day he was wounded, he woke up at night. Crawled to the nearest forest. The funeral German team found him and dragged him to a concentration camp for prisoners of war. He talked a lot about life in the camp and about escaping from the shooting, when he first fell into a pit, and killed fighters began to fall on him. I lay on the bottom of the pit, under the bodies until night, then I got out and began to break through to my own. Scored on a group of the same Red Army, received weapon and got to his. Then, our camp, check, fine. Bat, rehabilitation, transferred to the troops. He graduated from war in Berlin in the rank of Art. sergeant He served another year after the war (he served the year of the German and our camp). This is me to the fact that they are afraid of him, there was already nothing and no one.

And about each of my ancestors, you can write a novel in which there was everything: trials, gravity, death, love, friendship and a lot of work. There was no dirt. These were pure people.

In addition to their fiction stories, a lot of literature was read: Nekrasov, Saltykov-Shchedrin, Dostoevsky, Kuprin, Mamin-Sibiryak, Turgenev, Chekhov, Shishkov, Gorky, Green, Sholokhov, Tolstoy (this is a separate “song”), Bulgakov, Platonov. All of them, one way or another, wrote about the lives of ordinary peasants and city dwellers. Stunning Shishkov stories about the inhabitants of the Urals and Siberia, Mamin-Sibiryak, Tolstoy.

They very accurately described the life and life of the peasants. They showed how heavy their life is and what the burden is. In their stories felt pain for the people and the deepest compassion for man.

And while watching the film, I felt the physical feeling of sticky dirt and crushing meaninglessness of what was happening. In the name of what? Why do all these people suffer, this woman? Do they have something bright, pure in their lives, or do they, like evil beasts, just keep housekeeping, drink, fight, kill each other, rape ?! What is the purpose of this film? What is he talking about? About the sufferings of the people? About the great sacrifice? Why are all these pathologically detailed scenes of violence causing a dirty feeling of disgust and disgust?

And I thought: but the foreign viewer will look at this film and say to himself - “Yes, these Russians, just wild beasts, angry animals, do not live normally and don’t give to others! Why do they own such spaces? They are savages, barbarians! And all these stupid, illiterate, cruel Red Army men, who are going to build a bright future! Can anyone build such things at all ?! ”

By the way, here are some reviews from our media:

“It’s been a long time since a film of such epic power has been released on screens,” the Rossiyskaya Gazeta newspaper wrote. (!!!!)

Andrei Plakhov emphasized the allegorical nature of what is happening with the main character, who is likened to Russia, noting that “surprisingly, the film fits into a niche as an example of anti-Bolshevik propaganda: finally, the format supported, judging by the final credits, Surkov, Vekselberg and Abramovich”.

“It’s scary and crazy for any of us in this world of bizarre rituals,” writes Anton Dolin. Russia in the film Smirnov - the archaic Universe, in which neither individualism nor individuality is possible. ”(!!!) In his opinion, the director indulges in the film“ the archeology of feelings, trying to recreate the disappeared world carefully and detachment ”. (What kind of world? Is this dirt and cruelty to be called peace? Yes, even wanting to recreate it all ?!)

In Vedomosti, Smirnov’s picture was rated as the “most honest film about civil war,” which shows the continuity of cruelty and violence in the progression of “family, village, country”.

In other words, it is a signal of the Russian youth that this is exactly what our lot and role model is for us! After all, it is this “WORLD” that we are offered to recreate!

It was very hard to watch this movie to the end. There was a gagging feeling that you are forced to eat someone's vomit.

And so, having looked through to the end and carefully examined the credits, I was dumbfounded!

"The film was shot with the financial support of the group of companies" Renova "

Special thanks to
Roman Abramovich
Viktor Vekselberg
Alfred Koch
Vladislav Surkov
Anatoly Chubais
Leonid Gozman
Anatoly Serdyukov
Vladimir Bakin
Vladimir Yakunin
To Andrey Gordeev
Vasily Anisimov
Lyubov Sliska
Igor Tinkov
The film was shot with the financial support of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation.

Funding for the filming helped Vladislav Surkov find it in 2007. The director promised to thank in the finale, in addition to Surkov, a number of persons (see above) ... .. and his son-in-law Anatoly Chubais. It is noted that “the picture came out just before the elections, and its main (albeit somewhat veiled) promise was the exposure of all the sins of the Soviet power. And it is no coincidence that the sponsors of the film were influential people from the ruling party in Russia. ”(!!!)



In other words, for us and our money, they throw mud at us, some have robbed us, others voluntarily and forcibly pay taxes.

So what is the purpose of this film? What did the director want to convey to us?

Personally, it became clear to me. And you?


PS And yet, one thing does not reach me: how can one make a deeply patriotic film “Belarusian Station” and this libel ?!

Or take off a romantic, lively, “Alien amongst his own, amongst others”, thin “Unfinished piece for a mechanical piano” and reach “2 tired of the sun”. (N. Mikhalkov)

Why are such monstrous metamorphoses happening ?!

Where is the point from which the betrayal of oneself begins, and most importantly, for the sake of what ?!
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  1. 1961NNN
    1961NNN 19 August 2013 12: 50
    35
    Roman Abramovich
    Viktor Vekselberg
    Alfred Koch
    Vladislav Surkov
    Anatoly Chubais
    Leonid Gozman
    Anatoly Serdyukov
    Vladimir Bakin
    Vladimir Yakunin
    To Andrey Gordeev
    Vasily Anisimov
    Lyubov Sliska
    Igor Tinkov
    The film was shot with the financial support of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation
    Who pays, he orders!
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 19 August 2013 13: 16
      42
      It is enough to look at the odious surnames (Chubais, Serdyukov, Gozman, Kokh, Abramovich, etc.), those for whose money the film was shot so as not to watch it.
      It is a pity only budget money for such a libel, but the power does not spare the money to fool their own people.
      It is necessary to judge the officials who squander budget money on such "works" of culture.
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 19 August 2013 14: 28
        65
        Judge?
        Yes, this is a ready-made raster list!
        For some statements by Koch and Chubais, for what the Stool did, for which Sliska voted ...
        I think that the constructions in my scenario have already begun to line up)))))
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        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 August 2013 05: 24
          +5
          Quote: Asgard
          Judge?
          Yes, this is a ready-made raster list!

          Hi Vladimir! This is the first thing that came to mind after reading who they thank. I even repeated, do not consider plagiarism hi
        3. aksakal
          aksakal 20 August 2013 14: 31
          +7
          Quote: Asgard
          To judge? Yes, this is a ready raster list! For some statements by Koch and Chubais, for what Stool did, for which Sliska voted ... I think that the constructions in my scenario have already begun to line up)))))

          -Asgard, I often argued with the same author of SAJ - we do not agree on the personalities of Putin, but we agree on the opinions of people who go to this:
          Quote: Asgard
          raster list!

          It’s just that YAK69 evaluates Putin so much that I am surprised that this damned list does not have this Putin.
          And I’ll say this - when Yak69 wants quick and drastic changes for the better, Putin, by the way, also dreams of a breakthrough similar to the breakthrough of the USSR in 30 years. And this jerk is POSSIBLE! But on one condition - these are all of the persons included in:
          Quote: Asgard
          raster list!

          must be shot. Why? A breakthrough suggests that the people must endure some hardships and hardships. Not the first time! However, before that, it is necessary to punish the people who robbed the people, taking away in their favor what the people, at the cost of tremendous efforts, gained in the previous leap - just in those dashing years! Otherwise, it looks crazy - you were robbed in front of your boss (here the options are "daddy" or someone else), you know exactly who did it, the boss does not even dispute this, but at the same time maintains normal relations with the thieves (rewarding Gorbachev, and more couples of odious persons with medals) and at the same time begins to persuade you to work again, without even pointing out the inadmissibility of theft in general to the thieves! Tin! It is clear, without punishing the thieves, without enduring a real historical assessment of what happened, one cannot go further. Here we are. And there will be no breakthrough, no matter how hard Putin tries, no matter what kind of authority he has, people will smile at him, wave, pay their respects as a skillful politician, but a breakthrough at the cost of huge efforts PEOPLE WILL NOT DO!
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 20 August 2013 14: 37
            +4
            On the other hand, Putin’s desire to NOT CROSS the boat and maintain stability is understandable. For this, with the whole mass of his power and authority, he extinguishes sparks of conflict erupting from time to time between the deceived people and this thieves, who have the audacity to believe that they still didn’t steal the people (that’s why they’re sitting in Russia, you’ll smoke horseradish! am), such as, we are all citizens of Russia, what will we blow with each other? And in this Putin more and more resembles a Utopian - there will be no reconciliation. All those who are on this list are citizens of Russia only formally, in fact and in deeds they are simply ENEMIES. Moreover, let Putin remember, it is not the people who are already so deaf that started the attack! This film is just proof that the thief was the first to launch an attack!
            I was hoping for a peaceful outcome of this conflict in Russia. Well, like, enough of such a turbulence in Russia, in the 20th century, Russia ate enough of this. Unfortunately this is not possible. Why? - pointed out here in this post. To stay competitive, Russia needs a breakthrough. Jerk is not possible until the thieves are punished. There will be no jerk - the collapse of Russia and its departure to the political periphery (this is at best!) Is only a matter of time. And this is even in the absence of hostile and destructive actions by the thief. But we already saw in Sabzh - they are not going to sit back, they speed up how Russia can move in the wrong direction and run into a conflict.
            And Putin will just play a very bad service to Russia, if he continues to try to reconcile the irreconcilable! If Putin decisively and with his characteristic ability to carry out special operations takes the side of the people, then the defeat of the thief can be carried out quickly and WITHOUT BIG BLOOD (except for the shed blood of the thief himself).
            To be honest, waiting is getting harder, especially when you see these thieves that cause body movements.
            1. yak69
              20 August 2013 15: 11
              +2
              A sober, objective assessment. I agree with you in many ways.
              hi
            2. bomg.77
              bomg.77 20 August 2013 17: 24
              0
              Aksakal! hi I agree with your point of view. +
    2. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 19 August 2013 14: 37
      26
      Quote: 1961NNN
      Roman Abramovich
      Viktor Vekselberg
      Alfred Koch
      Vladislav Surkov
      Anatoly Chubais
      Leonid Gozman
      Anatoly Serdyukov
      Vladimir Bakin
      Vladimir Yakunin
      To Andrey Gordeev
      Vasily Anisimov
      Lyubov Sliska
      Igor Tinkov
      The film was shot with the financial support of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation. Who pays, he orders!

      Joseph Vissarionovich would have paid off with them in full if he was alive ...
      Genetics clone Comrade Stalin, humanity will thank you forever ..........
      1. Grenader
        Grenader 19 August 2013 15: 00
        20
        Quote: ziqzaq
        Quote: 1961NNN
        Roman Abramovich
        Viktor Vekselberg
        Alfred Koch
        Vladislav Surkov
        Anatoly Chubais
        Leonid Gozman
        Anatoly Serdyukov
        Vladimir Bakin
        Vladimir Yakunin
        To Andrey Gordeev
        Vasily Anisimov
        Lyubov Sliska
        Igor Tinkov
        The film was shot with the financial support of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation. Who pays, he orders!

        Joseph Vissarionovich would have paid off with them in full if he was alive ...
        Genetics clone Comrade Stalin, humanity will thank you forever ..........

        Exactly, right on the hit list. What is not a surname is a criminal.
        1. alone
          alone 19 August 2013 19: 58
          11
          unfortunately the list is not complete. you can still add a lot of))
      2. agronomist2
        agronomist2 19 August 2013 19: 34
        +2
        Quote: Grenader
        Quote: ziqzaq
        Quote: 1961NNN
        Roman Abramovich
        Viktor Vekselberg
        Alfred Koch
        Vladislav Surkov
        Anatoly Chubais
        Leonid Gozman
        Anatoly Serdyukov
        Vladimir Bakin
        Vladimir Yakunin
        To Andrey Gordeev
        Vasily Anisimov
        Lyubov Sliska
        Igor Tinkov
        The film was shot with the financial support of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation. Who pays, he orders!

        Joseph Vissarionovich would have paid off with them in full if he was alive ...
        Genetics clone Comrade Stalin, humanity will thank you forever ..........

        Exactly, right on the hit list. What is not a surname is a criminal.

        Quote: Grenader
        Quote: ziqzaq
        Quote: 1961NNN
        Roman Abramovich
        Viktor Vekselberg
        Alfred Koch
        Vladislav Surkov
        Anatoly Chubais
        Leonid Gozman
        Anatoly Serdyukov
        Vladimir Bakin
        Vladimir Yakunin
        To Andrey Gordeev
        Vasily Anisimov
        Lyubov Sliska
        Igor Tinkov
        The film was shot with the financial support of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation. Who pays, he orders!

        Joseph Vissarionovich would have paid off with them in full if he was alive ...
        Genetics clone Comrade Stalin, humanity will thank you forever ..........

        Exactly, right on the hit list. What is not a surname is a criminal.

        This is a list of half the retinue of our king. With one he rose, the other he was obliged, the third with him and now they rule ...
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 20 August 2013 10: 52
          +6
          Blue Phil 29: Review of the film "Once upon a time there was a woman"
      3. does it
        does it 19 August 2013 20: 14
        0
        Quote: ziqzaq
        Genetics clone Comrade Stalin, humanity will thank you forever ......

        But it will already be a completely different person ...
    3. Standard Oil
      Standard Oil 19 August 2013 21: 34
      +8
      Gentlemen-Comrades, not everything is so scary, because modern Russian cinema has already shown itself more than once, and now most people only feel disgust and no matter what they shoot, they will not watch it anyway. Do you think a lot of people have seen this film? I have a brother I entered the 11th grade and if I offer him to watch modern Russian cinema, he will, to put it mildly, refuse to watch this Mr.. So all these attempts of creatures from the above list, to show "how it was" had to be in the void. I think people in Russia understood "if you want to watch a good, high-quality movie, watch Soviet or old American, for explosions and computer graphics with a stupid storyline to modern Hollywood, if you want to hang yourself out of boredom and confusion with delusion, diluted with idiocy and hatred, this is our modern cinema."
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 20 August 2013 11: 18
        +2
        I have to agree with you, all those gentlemen who claim to be creative intelligence, in fact, have become the guides of all chernukha and perversions, who orders music and who dances - they should be the first in all lists.
    4. vjhbc
      vjhbc 19 August 2013 23: 23
      +5
      Yes, about money, it’s clear that our so-called creative intelligentsia is a simple and cheap whore; for the sake of money and fame, she’s ready for everything; look at it as soon as she’s taken in her mittens and cut off any senile dirt, they are immediately rebuilt and work for the good of the state and people at once but a cloud of geniuses appears and as soon as I let go of the reins they immediately outgrow to work because why bother people does it all even shows in historical retrospect the more severe the regime the better and more ingenious how they are set free Dhu same all propodaet
      1. yak69
        20 August 2013 00: 52
        +2
        From your words it turns out that the intelligentsia is a kind of high-tech tool for the transformation of human consciousness. And if this tool is in the hands of idiots, then much harm happens from it, and if it is manipulated by a competent, talented person, it brings undoubted benefit. Well, bravo! Witty remark. good
        This is similar to the remark of the Great Helmsman: "The people are a blank sheet of paper on which you can write any hieroglyphs."
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 August 2013 05: 23
      +1
      Quote: 1961NNN
      Roman Abramovich
      Viktor Vekselberg
      Alfred Koch
      Vladislav Surkov
      Anatoly Chubais
      Leonid Gozman
      Anatoly Serdyukov
      Vladimir Bakin
      Vladimir Yakunin
      To Andrey Gordeev
      Vasily Anisimov
      Lyubov Sliska
      Igor Tinkov
      The film was shot with the financial support of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation

      Hit list!
    6. Kushadasov
      Kushadasov 20 August 2013 06: 30
      +1
      ready hit list
  2. zart_arn
    zart_arn 19 August 2013 12: 53
    +3
    Why do such monstrous metamorphoses occur ?! Where is the point at which betrayal of oneself begins, and most importantly, for what ?!


    Real creativity, it always goes along the edge, on the verge of beauty and ugliness, so it’s very easy to ruin everything. A masterpiece will come out or pornography - only God knows. Although there are cases of banal creative degeneration.
    1. yan
      yan 19 August 2013 13: 18
      +6
      and the "educated" praise eagerly .... Looked not great, I may be a culturologist, but it is impossible all the time on one negative. in this case, we entered from one side only without even trying to balance
  3. Russ69
    Russ69 19 August 2013 12: 53
    12
    It would be strange for such sponsors to shoot something about the Russian ...
  4. Nina Czerny
    Nina Czerny 19 August 2013 12: 57
    28
    “And yet, one thing does not reach me: how can you make a deeply patriotic film“ Belorussky Railway Station ”and this libel ?!
    Or shoot the romantic, lively, "Stranger among friends, your own among strangers", thin "Unfinished piece for mechanical piano" and reach "Burnt by the Sun 2". (N. Mikhalkov) ",
    - one thing consoles, those Soviet films were talented and loved by millions of our compatriots throughout the USSR, the current "pearls" even those who praise them. are unlikely to be revised. Why did the authors change so much? I think this is because our "cream" of the intelligentsia, since perestroika, has become so "infected" with Russophobia and anti-Sovietism that liberals such as "historians" Mlechin, Svanidze, Pivovarov and Sakharov (both historians) take a fictional history as the ultimate truth. And where is it now possible to see intellectuals who do not throw mud at the USSR and our people? T.N. "media" persons are all anti-Soviet and Russophobes. Only Prokhanov is sometimes shown on TV, that's all.
    And money for "projects" is given only to those who have proven their "loyalty" to the new government, the basis of which is the denial of the Soviet period and the feat of the people.
    1. smile
      smile 19 August 2013 13: 42
      16
      Nina Czerny
      Hello.
      Allow me to not surrender. The fact is that they are throwing mud on their people, culture, history and country, a miserable part of the intelligentsia. It is that part of it that hangs out on the screens, bohemia, excuse me, so it goes. They are puffing with all their might, trying to prove that they are the elite of society. Moreover, this bohemian has always been such.
      In one of the recent Komsomol-fatties, a selection of expressions of our creative tiligence during the Second World War (reference to the NKVD) was given ... I was stunned there and sayings about that. what is better under the Germans. and that Hitler and I are the same. and that the communists and the Nazis will destroy each other, and then America will conquer us all and paradise will come .... and this is 41-44 years! And last names !!!! I remember only one thing, Korney Chukovsky .... by the way, their evil NKVD did not put ..... so that there is nothing new here ... alas ...
      1. My address
        My address 19 August 2013 14: 10
        +3
        Hello, Vladimir. Sorry, continue your comment.

        I am surprised how I got into the DAM Medinsky team - the current Minister of Culture. I read it a bit, I recommend it. Strange, not a liberal, even a patriot and in a government like that.

        I know two intellectuals from culture, so they feed themselves for their faith in Gorbachev, and then in Yeltsin. It is said that both were under hypnosis.
        1. Rider
          Rider 19 August 2013 14: 45
          10
          Quote: My address
          I am surprised how I got into the team of DAM Medinsky - the current Minister of Culture.


          but there’s nothing to be surprised at.
          it was he who recommended the miscarriage of Mikhalkov to a FREE MANDATORY viewing in schools, institutes, and EVEN VETERANS because it is / like / "a new look at war"
          here is such a "patriot" kind.

          although yes, I agree, his books - Myths about Russia and the War, are quite good and I highly recommend reading them.
          but alas you won’t erase a word from a song.
          probably with getting a new position, and new values ​​are being instilled.
          or old transform.
          1. yak69
            19 August 2013 14: 57
            +3
            Quote: Rider
            probably with getting a new position, and new values ​​are being instilled.
            or old transform.

            Well, as in the case of Smirnov. He can’t blame his native son-in-law of Chubais for betrayal!
          2. smile
            smile 19 August 2013 15: 48
            +2
            Rider
            The fact is that Medinsky has a long-standing personal friendship with Mikhalkov. And the praise of Mikhalkovskys "tortured by ultraviolet light" is the only jamb I know of.
        2. smile
          smile 19 August 2013 15: 44
          +4
          My address
          Hello!
          And why apologize, this is a public discussion, you have the right to supplement and send me to hell ... :))) we have a free country ... only the heirs of the bloody gebni-moderators, it seems they don’t know, they satrap for rudeness how much in vain ... :)))
          Medinsky read his cycle "Myths about Russia", War, Features of the national PR-very necessary and useful books ...
          And those who now curse themselves for being under hypnosis are full ... and among military personnel and even proletarians .... when I, damn it, an 18-20 year old snot, was biting with them at that time, I was stigmatized Communist propaganda ... now ashamed ... zas ... tsy ...
        3. V. Salama
          V. Salama 19 August 2013 15: 51
          +3
          Quote: My address
          I am surprised how I got into the DAM Medinsky team - the current Minister of Culture. I read it a bit, I recommend it. Strange, not a liberal, even a patriot and in a government like that.

          It is wrong to be a patriot at 50%. I mean, you can write a semi-truthful historical study, since it is obvious to everyone that they no longer roll falsify history, and earn political capital on this. The system does not tolerate a foreign element and should not be judged by books, but by deeds.
      2. Silkway0026
        Silkway0026 19 August 2013 16: 14
        +3
        good day. Can I have a link? very interesting...
      3. zart_arn
        zart_arn 19 August 2013 16: 56
        +7
        One small clarification: far from all bohemians are intellectuals.
      4. builder
        builder 19 August 2013 19: 00
        +7
        Letter A.M. Gorky V.I. To Lenin
        (not earlier than 16 - not later than September 19, 1919 Petrograd)

        My dear Vladimir Ilyich!
        What is the Russian intelligentsia, I know no worse than you, and - if you remember - I was one of the first writers of Russia who reacted to it sharply negatively, I still feel the same way and see no reason to change my attitude in the future.
        But, my sir, you must finally understand the difference between the politicking intelligentsia and the representatives of the country's intellectual, scientific forces, we must draw a line of separation between the ass of Pavel Milyukov and the head of Professor Depp, it is necessary to understand that one price is for Dan, another for Bush, that the little people from Dostoevsky's "Demons" are petty-minded, envious, capable of all sorts of crimes for the sake of ambition, peace and comfort, have not an iota in common with prof. Turkin, who with his discovery made a complete revolution in book and chromoprinting. The man who eliminates the completely leaden type and all the modern typographic techniques that poisoned and killed hundreds of thousands of workers - such a man is worth no less than any political reformer.
    2. fzr1000
      fzr1000 19 August 2013 16: 59
      +8
      “And yet, one thing does not reach me: how can you shoot a deeply patriotic film“ Belorussky Railway Station ”and this libel ?!

      Or take off a romantic, lively, “Alien amongst his own, amongst others”, thin “Unfinished piece for a mechanical piano” and reach “2 tired of the sun”. (N. Mikhalkov)

      Why are such monstrous metamorphoses happening ?!

      Where is the point from which betrayal of oneself begins, and most importantly, for what ?! "


      It's just that when they were filming Belorusskiy Vokzal, etc., it was "fashionable" and "right" to shoot such films. And today, others. This is the whole essence of "creativity" and the true gut of the artist-opportunist. Most of the "creative intellectuals" during the Soviet era strove to become Honored and People's Artists, Prize Laureates ... And now they have different owners and "awards", so the "creativity" is different. True, if you watch the movie "At home among strangers ..." now, the feeling of watching will still be wonderful. Because it was filmed by a talented director and talented actors played there (despite the current "creativity"). Yes, now many of them who are alive are no longer the same, but .... God and time are their judge.
      Not everyone turned out to be such weathercocks; there are among the actors, directors and writers worthy people who have not betrayed themselves and their beliefs, but they are few. Alas.
    3. wax
      wax 19 August 2013 17: 55
      +7
      Lenin looked at the root, Stalin too.
    4. angolaforever
      angolaforever 19 August 2013 18: 43
      +3
      What do you not understand here? The film was shot so that the whole population could see and understand what revolution could lead to, and so that the people, even in a nightmare, would not want to organize revolutions against the omnipotent, lawful minority.
  5. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 19 August 2013 12: 59
    +4
    As a resident of the Tambov region, I can say that during the years of "the formation of Soviet power in the Tambov region" there was not only what Smirnov filmed. There were battles between deserters and Reds, murders of Komsomol members and kulaks, there were poisonous gases used by Tukhachevsky against the rebels and their families, there was a concentration camp in the city with a machine gun on the bell tower and families of "bandits" dying of hunger and disease. Only the collective action of the city's intelligentsia and the fear of an epidemic ended this nightmare. There were hostages who were shot and new ones were taken. It was MUCH scarier, bloodier and dirtier. And if you really want to know the history of your country, then you should know that too. Because this is OUR story. Know not so that "this was an example to follow", but so that it NEVER happens again.
    1. smile
      smile 19 August 2013 13: 28
      12
      serge-68-68
      Hello.
      The knowledge that the ancestors had done was never a guarantee of the non-repetition of this .... well, the Americans know that they totally destroyed the whole Indian peoples ... so what? they did not arrange concentration camps in our 20s? Maybe they didn’t starve hundreds of thousands of Germans in 45m concentration camps? What, they still fight in accordance with international law? .. oh yes, they did not sign the fundamental conventions ... :)))
      Or do you think they do this because they don’t make such films at all, pouring mud on themselves?
      Yes, we know. that to survive in the civil war and save the state the Reds were helped by practically the same methods as their opponents acted ... so what?
      Or do you like this bias - in Soviet times, all the red were Dartanyans. and their opponents are shameful wolves (and even then not always, remember "Running", "Two comrades served"), but now it's the other way around .... and, unlike in Soviet times, without any exceptions ...
      You know, I read the last book of Bogomolov ... now I forgot the name ... the book that we in Germany sometimes behaved not like angels .... but the author admits. that when I went to the media a shaft of lies about that. that we are worse than the Nazis, he realized that it’s impossible to print it in this form — it will be deso .... I had to process it and include the same amount of material that, nevertheless, we are angels compared to the Germans ... this is a normal approach (although I have a claim to factology) .... and this film deliberately disorientes the viewer, mostly young ...
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 19 August 2013 14: 08
        +4
        Good day! :)
        To put it bluntly, I don't know of any cases where the Tambov rebels set up concentration camps for the Red Guards and their families, or poisoned them with military agents (this is in terms of methods and methods of struggle for power), and demonstrative executions of hostages are also not their method. The peasants (and most of the deserters hiding in the Tambov forests were also actually from local peasant families) are not characterized by systematic sadism and repression (one-time murders, even cruel ones - yes, but not systematic destruction). It was "blessed", so to speak, "from the Center." And it's a pity that Tukhachevsky was just shot by his own.
        Simplifying greatly, of course, but I already wrote once that there are no right-wingers (in the sense of the righteous) in a war, a war is gray. Yes, historians, politicians or anyone else can give a big name for this or that war. Advocates will try accordingly. But all this noise in the trenches dies after a while. There remains a person who wants to live or wants to take revenge and is ready for it for everything - a feat, a crime ... At some point, an objective moral assessment becomes unimportant for him, subjective morality prevails.
        Should E. Klimov have shot the film "Come and See"? And Masherov, 1st sec. Communist Party of Belarus, and one of the leaders of the partisan movement to help him in this?
        What did Smirnov want to say? Your truth. How he saw her, how he felt her. And said. In the sense - took off. I saw how the film was shot, talked with Smirnov (due to the position held then) and I can say that he was shooting his truth. There are many truths - only one truth.
        Should he have said that? I think yes. Why - said above. Time will pass, the breaking of copies around the path of Russia to the future will stop and it will be possible to watch this film calmly (although, to be honest, for example, after the first screening of "Come and See", I don't watch this film anymore, only some parts).
        And I do not like distortions in any direction. I like the facts. Judge them by their deeds - golden words. :)
        Yes, and the Americans - yes God be with them. Let it all change at once. I care about the fate of my country. And in my opinion, without an honest story, progress is impossible.
        And in the end:
        Smirnov's film was watched by a number of people over middle age once. "Comedy club", "woman" and other offspring of Maslyakov's chicks, all sorts of "Houses", etc. watched daily by millions, most of whom are young people. I don't think that Smirnov's dirty and unpleasant truth will do more harm to the younger generation of Russians than the funny "truth" of these comedians.
        1. yak69
          19 August 2013 14: 51
          +4
          Quote: serge-68-68
          there are no right-wingers (in the sense of the righteous) in war; war is gray. Yes, .... they can give a big name for this or that war. The propagandists will try accordingly ... this noise in the trenches stalls after some time. There remains a person who wants to live or wants to take revenge and is ready for it for everything - a feat, a crime ... At some point, an objective moral assessment becomes unimportant for him, subjective morality prevails.

          You simplify everything so much that it becomes clear why you support Smirnov. You see an animal in man, and in man there is not only animal origin, there is also high spirituality! Otherwise, there would be no numerous conscious victims on our part, there would be no place for mass heroism. Or is it your invention?
          Following your logic, there is only a desire to live at any cost, it doesn’t even matter why, just LIVE, I WANT TO LIVE!
          And then, war is war, strife and names are not given to wars by anyone there, but they become the Essence. There is a war of aggression, but there is a Patriotic war, when no one needs to agitate and everyone rises - both old and small. And many are willing to consciously sacrifice themselves. A two-legged animal is not capable of this.
          And your point of view is not coincidental coincidence with the director. Seeing your ancestors and it hurt, and you hold a heavy grudge against the Soviet regime.
          Only now, my ancestors, also from the prosperous, were also dispossessed and deported. But my parents received higher education, rose to prominent positions, and both were distinguished by honesty and integrity. The father, who survived a three-month journey and many years of exile in the Far East, spat upon watching a small part of the film.
          This is to say that the views with you and me on Chubais are really different, diametrically opposed.
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 19 August 2013 15: 22
            +4
            That's because they mixed something! :) :) :)
            The fact that people just want to live proves a small percentage of heroes. This is partly why they became heroes. What moved the people who sacrificed themselves, we will not know.
            It’s not for you to tell me about the mass heroism of the Great Patriotic War. Not only did I recognize her from books and films, but I also felt her hands. War is always war. Do not call her.
            My point of view does not coincide with the director's.
            I do not hold grudges against the Soviet regime.
            Yes! And extreme: our views on Chubais, apparently, really do not coincide. Judging by your logic, for me he is an animal, and for you - a highly spiritual being, capable of self-sacrifice ... Or then do not confuse the warm with the soft.
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 19 August 2013 15: 04
          +7
          Quote: serge-68-68
          What did Smirnov want to say? Your truth

          Interesting .... True Smirnov, true Putin, true Abramovich, true cowboy Uncle Misha .....
          Whose truth is right? Whose is true?
          The truth of Smirnov .... But I have my own truth. But for some reason neither Abramovich nor Vekselberg will finance it. Here is the answer to the question of what kind of truth Smirnov wanted to say.
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 19 August 2013 15: 31
            +3
            The truths are different. Truth is one. And Smirnov is closer to the true history of the Tambov uprising than you are. And I can determine it. Because I participated in the creation of that collection of documents and because I read these papers from the archive. But have you read at least something, except for the exercises of motley "historians" about the Tambov uprising? Do you know that, if I am not mistaken, no answer was received to the question "Who and when used military weapons against their people," asked at the Academy of the General Staff of the Russian Federation to students in 2004?
        3. Ustas
          Ustas 19 August 2013 15: 10
          +1
          Quote: serge-68-68
          What did Smirnov want to say? Your truth. How he saw her, how he felt her. And said. In the sense - took off.

          And what does he, Smirnov, born in 1941, know about the civil war? About that period? Each artist has his own truth, but this is not that truth, in the spirit of the time, but only creative imagination. And it’s very unfortunate that this creative imagination, roughly speaking, falls under the opinions and ideology of such Orthodox, anti-Soviet as Koch and Chubais, and is presented to us as truth.
          And yet I do not believe that Andrei Sergeyevich Smirnov saw that time like that. Most likely, he removed what was simply imposed on him such as Abramovich, Koch, etc.
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 19 August 2013 15: 37
            +3
            Then all discussion of history should cease. What do we, nee 60s-70s, and some very recently, know about Civil?
            And then, I think, there are few people who can talk here with me about the Great Patriotic War. Because we cannot see and remember it, books and films do not count, memories are not that, but I have a trump card: I have been digging it out for more than one year.
            And again I say: the spirit of the time - it is in the documents of that time. Dry numbers, dry facts. And if a little earlier these facts would have been open, discussed and rationalized, today Koch and Chubais would have been unable to do anything. And therefore I say: do not be afraid and hide the stories - it is our story.
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        4. smile
          smile 19 August 2013 15: 25
          +7
          serge-68-68

          1. Yes, the Tambov peasants forming around the nuclei of various gangs and other motley shortages did not create concentration camps - they brutally destroyed the red and those Tambov peasants whom they considered sympathizers on the spot. People who were brutalized over the years of WW1 and the Civil War, who were used to robberies and executions from all sides, at the same time, didn’t clatter with anyone themselves ... deserters lived besides handouts to their relatives mainly in robbery. It was the various cannibal fathers who were the leaders of the rebels.
          And this brutality of the people appeared even when, as you say, the “Center” had not yet taken shape ... did you forget the hundreds of armed speeches with blood that took place there from 16 to the summer of 17? Who brought them to this? :)))

          Concerning the use of OS, once in the Rodina magazine a polemic on this topic was published. The combat reports on the use, reports, the quantity of ammunition (grenades 152 and 76 mm), schematic maps ... were given ... chemical weapons were used along forest areas to squeeze out of the forest. From the calculations, the amount per area-concentration of OM is several times less than the lethal one (only in the lowlands could accumulate more) ... the losses of the rebels and their families are minimal. If combing were used. and the forest would be cut with howitzers, the losses would be hundreds of times more .... what, it was necessary to kill the extra tens of thousands of people, so that you would be happy? :)))
          2. Well, here you wrote correctly, and about my undeniable ... the only thing, I can only envy that you were present during the filming of this film and communicated with Smirnov ... :)))
          I didn’t mention only the Americans in order to kick them once again. And to show from a trip to the cinema ... and I don’t think. They will forget that the film ... firstly, a critical mass of such rubbish has already accumulated. Which already independently forms a perverse impression of history. Secondly, and most importantly ... unfortunately, the presence of external forces constantly trying to purposefully attack the reference points of our history, create a guilty complex and rock the country, will leave historical cinema an arena of ideological struggle for a long time ....
          Well. I agree with the latter. True, Smirnov’s film was watched by many more people and more than once .... from my presentation this film was shown to schoolchildren of my first wife at 95m ... by the way, the children liked it. Although he nailed them lightly .... and then there was an explanatory conversation ...
          You are unconvincing in one thing - the presence of all kinds of comedy clubs does not justify the creation of such films now that the whole country, consider the battlefield in its history, without exaggeration.
          1. Rider
            Rider 19 August 2013 15: 47
            +1
            you are absolutely right.

            but probably your counterpart is not familiar with the term "information war"

            and perhaps he is so much a fan of "TRUTH" that having unearthed some documents defaming his ancestors / let's say / immediately rushes to publish them.

            Well, it remains to praise him for his integrity.

            I shake your hand.
            1. serge-68-68
              serge-68-68 19 August 2013 16: 30
              +2
              This very "vis-a-vis", just in case, prepared scientific papers on low-intensity conflicts, when you probably believed that information war is a battle with newspapers rolled into a tube.
              However, there is nothing wrong with that. To each his own.
              1. Rider
                Rider 19 August 2013 16: 39
                -4
                Quote: serge-68-68
                This very "vis-a-vis", just in case, prepared scientific papers on low-intensity conflicts


                Congratulations, and I participated in them.
                Quote: serge-68-68
                You probably thought the information war was a battle with newspapers rolled up in a tube.

                oh, if only, I saw live what it is when one nation is announced that it is better than another, and has the right to correct "historical injustice"
                Quote: serge-68-68
                To each his own.


                same to you.

                wish you hello.
            2. smile
              smile 19 August 2013 17: 09
              -3
              Rider
              Mutually. "You and I are of the same blood! Happy hunting!" ... :))) remember "Mowgli" :)))
          2. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 19 August 2013 16: 10
            -2
            1. The Tambov uprising is much more complicated than simply crusading, grouped around robbers.
            2. Regarding "squeezing" out of the forest:
            Order of the command of the troops of the Tambov province on the use of suffocating gases against rebels
            N 0116
            Tambov city / ops
            12th of June 1921
            The remnants of the broken gangs and individual bandits who fled from the villages where Soviet power was restored, gather in the forests and from there raid civilians.
            For the immediate cleaning of forests, I order:
            1. Forests where bandits are hiding should be cleaned with poisonous asphyxiating gases, precisely calculated so that a cloud of asphyxiating gases spreads completely throughout the forest, destroying everything that was hidden in it.
            2. The artillery inspector should immediately bring in the required number of toxic gas cylinders and the right specialists.
            3. The commanders of the battle areas persistently and vigorously carry out this order.
            4. Report on measures taken.
            Commander Tukhachevsky
            Nashtavoysk General Staff Kakurin
            3. Smirnov's film was completed in 2010.
            1. smile
              smile 19 August 2013 17: 05
              +2
              serge-68-68
              That's right, much more complicated, but in the end it turned out that way. I read the order. And then I read combat reports about the application. Information on the number of used special warheads by area. Reports and references from the rear. Tukhachevsky initially did not have enough OM. to cover the required area. As a comparison, it seems (I don’t remember exactly. But to look for scrap) in September 41 in Leningrad Zhukov issued a brutal order to repress family members of military personnel. voluntarily with weapons in the hands of those who went over to the side of the enemy (similar measures, by the way, were also used by our Western allies) ... so what? The order has never been applied.
              Tukhachevsky could write any orders, while he was well aware that he had neither the strength nor the means to execute it.
              So that fact is a fact. Especially. that at that time no one stood on ceremony with gangs in any country of the world, not in one. Everywhere such performances, and even much more harmless drowned in blood. What to discuss?
              1. serge-68-68
                serge-68-68 19 August 2013 18: 47
                +2
                Those. hounded a little, and therefore you can not pay attention? Do you think there is a certain line beyond which a war crime becomes a military prank? If, say, the city was poisoned, then this is bad, but one village was poisoned, then this is nonsense, are they still giving birth? One of the modern supporters of this position just justified the use of 15 chemical shells near the town of Rasskazovo by the fact that "the Red Army men, apparently, out of curiosity" decided to test the ammunition.
                It would be interesting to see how he would sing if his relatives were among the inhabitants of that village ...
                Regarding your last statement: then let's not discuss Bloody Sunday, the mass executions of the Reds by white, and the Americans - Nagasaki, the Nazis - our partisans. After all, "everywhere similar performances and even more harmless ones were drowned in blood." What to discuss?
                Or, nevertheless, it is necessary to discuss and evaluate the massive repressions against the families of the "bandits", the shootings of the hostages for refusing to indicate the location of the "gangs", 15 chemical shells fired at the forest in the swamp where the "bandits" were with their families (or maybe are they still refugees?).
        5. cdrt
          cdrt 19 August 2013 17: 58
          0
          +100500 serge-68-68
          True, in this case, the thing is in principle self-valuable. Regardless of the current moment. The moment for her will always be inappropriate (according to at least a group of people).
          And actually ... what duality (in the sense of positive) can be in crimes against humanity while suppressing the Tambov uprising?

          One more thought surprises me - after all, no one seemed to repent of those who suppressed the uprising (not the commanders - they answered in 1937 - the world is still quite fairly organized), but the executors, the Red Army men, junior commanders, commissars, those who "just carried out orders ".
          It is curious - there are no published diaries even with repentance.
          But crimes of this kind have no justifiable reasons, only to repent.
          And accordingly, their children - someone cursed the crimes of grandfathers (not grandfathers, and their acts)?

          The answer is transparent. By the way, a typical example is Udaltsov, a direct descendant of the Crimean vampire.
          And this vampire still lies in our metropolitan cemetery-square
    2. OPTR
      OPTR 19 August 2013 13: 34
      +3
      I did not watch the film. Therefore, I will say about the impression of the comments. Commentators did not see in the film (and I believe that it is, and I will not check the film while watching) the fullness of the story. Yes, there was our story. But why? For what? What exactly did this or that side fight for, why was it so, could it be otherwise, etc.? This, as I understood from the comments, the filmmakers were not interested. Otherwise, it would be clear to all commentators. The authors would have managed to convey such an idea about the parties, because they are not untalented.
      A little analogy.
      In a hospital, a doctor rips open a patient’s stomach. blood is whipping. Is this also true?
      I already see a good new story, how the whole film the doctor shreds the body on the operating table.
      That’s what abominations are in hospitals ... Forbid them!
      1. smile
        smile 19 August 2013 13: 51
        +2
        OPTR
        Great comment! You seemed to remember the film ... I would like to add that it seems that the author is trying to focus on the abominations, this is his goal, to show our abomination ....
    3. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 19 August 2013 13: 38
      +5
      And what do you not want to repeat? Revolution? civil war? If history taught something to someone. Only life proves that no one is learning anything. What is the history of the country? Show which bastards the Communists? and what white fluffy fighters for what? A story such as it is, yes, only that who tells it is a question. You can tell everything this way and that. But the author is right, if you take up the story, then you should not relish the dirt and bestiality. Show me why this happened and for what.
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 19 August 2013 14: 22
        +3
        I do not want a repeat of either revolution or civil war. And history just teaches this. At least the Tambov peasants are not striving for a new Antonovism (and most ordinary citizens, too).
        1. Rider
          Rider 19 August 2013 15: 10
          0
          Quote: serge-68-68
          At least the Tambov peasants are not striving for a new Antonovism (and most ordinary citizens, too).


          / though cynical /
          noooooh
          maybe the lesson was learned?
          don't you think?
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 19 August 2013 16: 17
            -1
            But this is absolutely stupid.
            You have no idea how cynical further illustrations of your cynicism can be. But you will not have the right to condemn their author.
            You probably will not like it if you are taught killing your children. Or your parents. Or a little of those and others ... But will you learn a lesson? Don't you think?
            Want to continue in that spirit?
            1. Rider
              Rider 19 August 2013 16: 35
              +2
              Quote: serge-68-68
              Want to continue in that spirit?


              I immediately said that it is cynical.

              and believe me I don’t want anything proposed.

              only singing in every possible way the "atrocities" of the Reds, it is somehow forgotten that the "Tambov wolves" themselves were far from being lambs.

              Well, a little more cynicism.
              it seems to me personally that having survived a terrible civil war in which ALL THE PARTIES stained themselves with the bloody atrocities, our people received an excellent pill from various kinds of revolutions.

              and now LOOKING FOR WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST, I SAY THAT THIS VERY WELL !

              and you don’t think so 7
              1. serge-68-68
                serge-68-68 19 August 2013 16: 46
                +1
                There is a different kind of cynicism. In the Tambov region, not only (and not so much) "bandits" or "rebels" were killed, but ordinary civilians, residents of Russia, workers, by whose hands it was built. And those who killed (gave orders) did not do for Russia even a fraction of what these workers did.
                The expression "Tambov wolves" is in no way connected with any particular cruelty of the Tambovites.
                I don’t think so that good things are going on in the Middle East. People are dying. And most of them simply turned out to be hostages of politicians who, in any case, would eat up those chestnuts that others would drag out of the fire for them.
                1. Rider
                  Rider 19 August 2013 17: 00
                  +4
                  Quote: serge-68-68
                  The expression "Tambov wolves" is in no way connected with any particular cruelty of the Tambovites.


                  I cited a common idiom.
                  I just don’t believe that in the Civil war they are fighting on the one hand - bloody maniacs, and on the other - furry lambs.
                  Quote: serge-68-68
                  I don’t think so that good things are going on in the Middle East. People are dying. And most of them just turned out to be hostages of politicians,


                  that is, you also agree that "the revolutionary overthrow of the government, with whatever good intentions" is bad?

                  fine, the pill gave an effect.

                  on this I think the discussion is over.
                  1. cdrt
                    cdrt 19 August 2013 18: 14
                    -3
                    I just don’t believe that in the Civil war they are fighting on the one hand - bloody maniacs, and on the other - furry lambs.

                    But by the way, do not believe in vain. On the one hand, traditionalists fought in our civilian, i.e. people who at least advocated a traditional (i.e. fairly peaceful) way of life.
                    Yes, you can commit atrocities, even on a massive scale, but usually on a smaller scale, because with a much lower degree of organization.
                    On the other hand, people who have consciously replaced the concepts of good and evil, conscience with their own understanding of class (momentary) expediency. Actually, this is the transition point of the Reds to the side of evil with a capital letter. The goal never justifies the means; rather, the means will fully determine the goal.
                  2. serge-68-68
                    serge-68-68 19 August 2013 18: 50
                    0
                    Reader: I didn’t understand anything. If you carefully read my posts, you would probably be able to read what I just said that there are no (right) righteous people in the war.
                    1. Rider
                      Rider 19 August 2013 19: 00
                      +2
                      Quote: serge-68-68
                      Reader: I didn’t understand anything.


                      I realized that you did not understand anything.
                      Quote: serge-68-68
                      I just said that in the war (any) right (righteous) is not.


                      Well, about the "righteous" / in the sense - crystal clear knights without fear and reproach / I agree, but in the Patriotic War, are we right or what?

                      It's not for nothing that I singled out "CIVIL"
                      because the term "no right and wrong" can be used to justify SO MUCH.
    4. yak69
      19 August 2013 14: 21
      +6
      Quote: serge-68-68
      if you really want to know the history of your country, then you must know this too. Because this is OUR story.

      In this part, I completely agree with you - you need to know ALL of our history without exceptions and defaults. BUT..
      The whole point is HOW it is all presented. The Reds arrived, they took everything away, they killed everyone, mocked how much in vain, etc. The only point of view: the Bolshevik villains!
      Why didn't the author bother to understand this whole tragedy? Why did he not rise to the heights of the spirit and the reality that existed then? Why didn’t he ask the question: what are these sacrifices for and why it was necessary to act in this way ?! After all, he is a film director, an "artist", so to speak, an engineer of human souls. Why didn't you look at this tragedy from the point of view of that era or from the perspective of Eternity? Not enough talent or "did not order"?
      After all, he shot the truly immortal film "Belorussky Railway Station". He was able to look into the human soul there and see the Essence. Why did he sink to a senseless bloody bacchanalia?
      And then, he did not at all seek to give an objective assessment of what was happening. Why are the motives of those who carried out these repressions not "decomposed", while at that time there were many who deliberately shed blood, acting on the orders of the international behind-the-scenes - Trotsky, Tukhachevsky, Eikhe, Postyshev, etc. Nobody denies the participation of foreign legions death, slaughtering everyone, young and old. But why does no contemporary filmmaker examine this topic objectively? Doesn't he talk about the ordinary human factor and the various adherents who profited from the blood and suffering of their fellow citizens ?!
      Even Ilf and Petrov painted the image of Koreiko, a con man who had put together his wealth on human grief.

      I am not against the truth. I am against bias, bias and outright lies!
      It would be better to make a film about the purge of the 30s, when those who committed all these iniquities were shot. How the Bolshevik party found the strength to publicly admit its bloody excesses and punish those who made these "mistakes".
      hi
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 19 August 2013 14: 28
        +2
        Two years ago, a collection of documents from the Tambov archives was published, dedicated to the Antonov uprising (800 pages, several thousand documents). These are almost all surviving documents, both Soviet and insurgent. And there is nothing high in them. Dry numbers and dry facts.
      2. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 19 August 2013 15: 24
        0
        for yak69 (2) In this part I completely agree with you - you need to know ALL of our history without exceptions and defaults. BUT..
        The whole point is HOW it is all presented. The Reds arrived, they took everything away, they killed everyone, mocked how much in vain, etc. The only point of view: the Bolshevik villains!
        Why did the author not bother to understand all this tragedy? Why didn’t he rise to the heights of spirit and then existing reality? Why didn’t I ask myself: what are these sacrifices for and why was it necessary to do so ?!


        Have you watched the film carefully? Why do you think that the author of the film has broken away from "that" reality? Why do you think that it was necessary to do just that - to pour blood into the province?
        Here is a link to an abstract based on historical facts, documents from archives and the opinions of historians, as well as history textbooks:
        ".. From now on, the suppression of" Antonovism ", for the first time in the history of riots, was conducted according to the rules of the occupation war. This meant that the Red troops, the Chekists, having broken the province into combat stations, burned dozens of villages, destroyed thousands of men and young men, hostages, including women , children and the elderly. The population of the "Yarobandit" regions was herded into concentration camps, referred to the North. To "smoke" the rebels from the forests, there were poisonous gases, and mobile cavalry, aviation and armored units pursued and destroyed the "Antonov" troops. By acting this way, the state ended with the uprising in the summer month and a half in 1921. Within a year, the Chekists hunted down and destroyed the leaders of the uprising - A. Antonov, A. Boguslavsky, I. Ishin and others. The Tambov peasantry was taught a memorable lesson at the cost of tens of thousands of lives. I had to abandon the surplus appropriation for a while and allow the peasants to trade locally. "
        In more detail - http://www.bestreferat.ru/referat-109202.html
      3. cdrt
        cdrt 19 August 2013 18: 20
        -2
        Why I didn’t ask myself: what are these victims for and why did they have to do so



        Yes, and in principle - the height of the spirit is on the point of view of the victim, not the executioner.

        And the victims of some - the hard workers of the peasants who were robbed, went to the struggle for the power of others (Bolsheviks). And by the way, the fighters themselves (leaders of the Bolsheviks) lived much better than the robbed in order to achieve their goals
    5. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 19 August 2013 14: 44
      +1
      Quote: serge-68-68
      It was MUCH scarier, bloodier and dirtier. And if you really want to know the history of your country, then you should know that too. Because this is OUR story. Know not so that "this was an example to follow", but so that it NEVER happens again.

      and there is also a sewage system, but for some reason knowing that it is you don’t want the smell from it to go to your apartment.
      ate every day to tell a person that he grew up in shit, lives in shit, then believe me nothing but shit he will not do
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 19 August 2013 15: 06
        +4
        Tales are told to the weak, the truth is told to the strong. Knowing the true history of my country does not make me weak or unpatriotic. I can’t judge the rest. But the harm from a channel like TNT is many times stronger than the harm (even if it is) from Smirnov’s film.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 19 August 2013 15: 52
          +5
          Quote: serge-68-68
          Tales are told to the weak, the truth is told to the strong

          the truth can be said in different ways, it can be said that there will be tears in your eyes, and your arms will reach out to raise the Banner, or you can say that your arms will drop, and your soul will become stale.
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 19 August 2013 16: 18
            +3
            The truth can be understood in different ways. You can see only dirt and sewers. And you can - the pain and suffering of people. You can turn away from dirt and stench, or you can try to exclude it in the future.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 19 August 2013 16: 31
              +1
              Quote: serge-68-68
              The truth can be understood in different ways. You can see only dirt and sewers. And you can - the pain and suffering of people. You can turn away from dirt and stench, or you can try to exclude it in the future.

              we are not talking about understanding, but about how to present.
              but you can present oh how differently
              1. serge-68-68
                serge-68-68 19 August 2013 16: 49
                +1
                You are talking about giving. I am about understanding. There are many ways to present the truth. And to understand it, regardless of presentation, it is possible in different ways.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 19 August 2013 20: 14
                  +3
                  Are you sure you understand? !!
                  Well, such a simple example, you historian dug up, say in 2999, the rear of the Russian court, found a court decision on the "imprisonment" of Mr. Lyapkin, for the murder of Mr. Tyapkin and, relying on the "primary source", bring people the truth about the scoundrel Lyapkkin, a year later another the historian finds another "primary source" where it is written that Lyapkin killed Tyapkin protecting Pupkin from being raped by the latter and begins to stigmatize Tyapkin and praise the innocent victim of Lyapkin, and a year later they found Pupkina's personal diary where it is written how she pretended to be raped in order to spawn Ljapkin Tyapkin.
                  and all this is noticeable on the basis of the original sources.
                  hence the moral, maybe take a break in search of the truth? !!!
                  maybe it’s better to tell fairy tales about good heroes for now? !!!
          2. cdrt
            cdrt 19 August 2013 18: 23
            -4
            the truth can be said in different ways, it can be said that there will be tears in your eyes, and your arms will stretch to raise the Banner, or you can say that your arms will drop, and your soul will become stale



            And what else can the true story about the life of the Tabov region at that time look like? Especially considering the concept of mercy and compassion, being on the point of view of the victim, not the executioner?
            Can you suggest a script?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 19 August 2013 20: 15
              +2
              read above it applies to you too
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 19 August 2013 15: 56
          +2
          Quote: serge-68-68
          Knowledge of the true history of my country

          and you’re self-confident, but you know the TRUTH ?!
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 19 August 2013 16: 22
            0
            I am confident in my knowledge of the history of the Tambov uprising. It is based on documentary sources. And this knowledge did not make me either weak or unpatriotic. I love my motherland. Let it be and is all. But she is my homeland.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 19 August 2013 16: 48
              +1
              Quote: serge-68-68
              It is based on documentary sources.

              funny, especially about primary sources, “primary sources” are written by people (sometimes in hindsight) and, as a rule, they adjust them to fit their vision.
              By the way, porn films are also true to some extent, but for some reason they are not shown to children.
              1. serge-68-68
                serge-68-68 19 August 2013 16: 55
                +1
                1. Nothing funny. You have just crossed out practically all science except for a small part of it, which can be directly and constantly recreated in kind. We stop the discussion. For nothing.
                2. Regarding comparing the truth with porn movies: a curious comparison. But I agree. You cannot tell the truth to many people. Because they are like children.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 19 August 2013 17: 00
                  0
                  Quote: serge-68-68
                  Nothing funny. You have just crossed out almost all science except for a small part of it.

                  Of course, nothing funny, I myself am a living witness as events to which I was an eyewitness were rewritten several times and most importantly, referring all the time to the "primary sources"
                  By the way, as far as knowing there are two annals, with completely different dates, and both are the primary sources
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 19 August 2013 17: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: serge-68-68
                  You just crossed out almost all of science

                  a small clarification of history, in fact, no more a science than astrology
                  although I'm lying in astrology more accuracy than in history
                  1. serge-68-68
                    serge-68-68 19 August 2013 18: 55
                    0
                    A little clarification: almost all science, and not just history, is based on inferences ... That is, on what people wrote (that is, interpreted, or maybe adjusted to the answer?) people ... Even the so-called. "exact" sciences have also been rewritten more than once or twice ...
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 19 August 2013 20: 20
                      +2
                      Quote: serge-68-68
                      Even the so-called. "exact" sciences have also been rewritten more than once or twice ...

                      yes, of course, but there is one "but" "PI" is always 3.14 ...., and not 2.15 or 4.16 in the light of the newly discovered primary sources.
                      fundamental fundamentals may change, but as a result of work and experience, and not as a result of a change in the head of state.
                      more than in "science" called the history of blunders can only be in MK
        3. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 19 August 2013 15: 59
          -1
          Quote: serge-68-68
          Knowledge of the true history of my country

          and you’re self-confident, but you know the TRUTH ?!
        4. regsSSSR
          regsSSSR 19 August 2013 16: 54
          +2
          Quote: serge-68-68
          Tales are told to the weak, the truth is told to the strong. Knowing the true history of my country does not make me weak or unpatriotic. I can’t judge the rest. But the harm from a channel like TNT is many times stronger than the harm (even if it is) from Smirnov’s film.


          Yes, of course, you need to know the truth! and that during the time of the Tago Revolutions, it’s not the carrots that they give out on the street, and so it is clear! modern Russia looks like that old man with a whip wandering along its branchy roads with an icon in his hands and periodically scourging himself for her sins, white and red, and indeed all of humanity, and 12 apostles from the tago of the above-mentioned list of Judean Liberal of origin, from gozman to Chubais, who wanted to spit on the history of the Russian state and on the people as a whole and are ready to sponsor anything that tears people apart and constantly indicate the way the necessary exception It’s up to the owners of these citizens something like this !! in such a situation, frankly speaking, the one-sided truth is a leash in the wrong hands of our long-suffering history, but about tnt it’s just a separate sad play hi
    6. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 19 August 2013 14: 53
      +2
      Quote: serge-68-68
      As a resident of the Tambov region, I can say that during the years of "the formation of Soviet power in the Tambov region" there was not only what Smirnov filmed. There were battles between deserters and Reds, murders of Komsomol members and kulaks, there were poisonous gases used by Tukhachevsky against the rebels and their families, there was a concentration camp in the city with a machine gun on the bell tower and families of "bandits" dying of hunger and disease. Only the collective action of the city's intelligentsia and the fear of an epidemic ended this nightmare. There were hostages who were shot and new ones were taken. It was MUCH scarier, bloodier and dirtier. And if you really want to know the history of your country, then you should know that too. Because this is OUR story. Know not so that "this was an example to follow", but so that it NEVER happens again.


      I agree with you history you need to know so as not to repeat mistakes. Not to "blacken" or "bleach" - but you need to know. For those who have not watched this film, I recommend watching first, and then commenting. The Tambov uprising is a bitter page in the history of Russia - but it cannot be erased.
  6. smile
    smile 19 August 2013 13: 05
    12
    The article is excellent. +. I do not agree with the author on one thing - that the entire intelligentsia is delighted with this "One Woman". I am friends with the staff of one of the largest regional libraries in the Kaliningrad region. Sometimes I am brought in to discuss ordering new books. Somehow, after the "private screening" where this "woman" was demonstrated, the staff (ages 18 to 60) dragged me to drink tea .... this film was discussed .... I have never seen girls so furious ... It was funny to see how they, interrupting each other (this is nonsense for them), scold the film, the author and those who support him, they don't know normal swearing ... :)))
    So, that miserable stratum of the intelligentsia that is called the creative class takes too much on itself — it does not express the opinion of the intellectual part of our society .... on the contrary, its waste.
    It's a shame only. that young people use such films to hammer into their heads the most disgusting impression of their people and their history ....
    1. arkady149
      arkady149 19 August 2013 13: 25
      +1
      It's funny, a clerk trained to use 1C Accounting thinks of himself as a "creative class". What is he creating? The ability to "sell a super egg cutter" to a housewife for 500% of the price?
      1. smile
        smile 19 August 2013 13: 45
        +4
        arkady
        It’s just that the clerk considers this the most important skill ... as one member of the forum said yesterday, there are people for whom only that which has value is valuable .... everything else does not exist ... it’s wrong, it’s not people, it's nonhumans .... compost ...
  7. fklj
    fklj 19 August 2013 13: 07
    +7
    Another slop on the history of Russian cinema
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  10. arkady149
    arkady149 19 August 2013 13: 20
    +7
    The list of persons to whom they are expressing gratitude should not be in the end credits, but in the film's announcement. Then the attitude to this "work" will be appropriate among the adequate part of the audience.
    1. yan
      yan 19 August 2013 13: 24
      0
      great! Exactly!
  11. Proud.
    Proud. 19 August 2013 13: 34
    10
    Quotes from Koch's interview on the New York radio WMNB in ​​the program "There is an Opinion", October 23, 1998: "There is an opinion that there is a catastrophe in Russia and that tomorrow's economic situation is illusory. What about your opinion?

    - I think so too.

    “And you don't see the light at the end of the tunnel?”

    - No, I don’t see.

    - What is your forecast for the future of Russia for tomorrow and in ten years?

    - Raw material appendage. Unconditional emigration of everyone who knows how to think, but does not know how to work - to dig, for example, and only knows how to invent. In the subsequent transformation into a dozen small states. "" - Based on your view of Russia, a very bleak picture is created ...

    - Yes of course. And she cannot be joyful.

    - But still, I would like this long-suffering people ...

    - This long-suffering people suffer through their own fault. Therefore, these people reap what they deserve. (Laughs with extraordinary joy.) "- Do you predict the arrival of investments in Russia?

    - No, because nobody needs Russia! Nobody needs Russia (laughs) - how can you not understand? "" - Yes, understand, no one needs Russia. Well, what such gigantic resources does Russia have ?! I want to finally debunk this myth. Oil? Yes, it is much warmer and cheaper to extract it in the Persian Gulf. And as much as you want. Nickel? Please in Canada. Aluminum? In America. Coal? In Australia. Forest? In Brazil ... How not to twist, Russia is a bankrupt country ...

    - Based on your view of Russia, a very bleak picture is created.

    - Yes of course. And why should she be joyful?

    - So you need to humbly admit your place and go to school?
    - Sure. Instead of inventing a hydrogen bomb with three grades of education. "FINISH! And this enemy, obvious, after 15 years THIS SOMETHING has not changed its mind, this s ... u thank you!? However, the rest, I think, are no better .And this is not a director's vision, the director is IKHNII, repainted, he is not OUR. This is a deliberately concocted, ideological bomb! PS I watched the film, and my wife started watching and refused. She said: "That there is enough chernukha all around, and this" artistic " depresnyak can't stand it. "
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 19 August 2013 15: 00
      0
      Quote: Be proud.
      I watched the film, but my wife began to watch it and refused. She said: "There is enough chernukha all around, and this" artistic "depression cannot stand it."


      Nothing personal, but maybe it's still worth watching sometimes, something besides the next "sanata - barbara" and "positive films about glamor" and so on .....? Maybe you should watch at least sometimes a movie that makes you think, and not just smile?
      1. Rider
        Rider 19 August 2013 15: 39
        +2
        I would agree with the swamis, but the spine is ONE BIG BUT!


        this movie does not make you think, it just shows DIRT.

        you probably agree with the opinion of Koch cited above.
        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 19 August 2013 15: 51
          -3
          Doesn't make you think those who don't want to do it. I am not interested in the opinion of Koch and other "moneybags" from this list. I consider the liberal ideology akin to the fascist one. I'm interested in the film and the truth that the author told. Why does everyone criticize the film without knowing the historical facts? With archival documents? With the opinion of historians? Many here are tearing up the author, even without watching the film and without familiarizing themselves with the history of the uprising. Sheer narcissism, herd impulse - this is how it looks from the outside.

          Here is a link to an abstract based on historical facts, documents from archives and the opinions of historians, as well as history textbooks:
          ".. From now on, the suppression of" Antonovism ", for the first time in the history of riots, was conducted according to the rules of the occupation war. This meant that the Red troops, the Chekists, having broken the province into combat stations, burned dozens of villages, destroyed thousands of men and young men, hostages, including women , children and the elderly. The population of the "Yarobandit" regions was herded into concentration camps, referred to the North. To "smoke" the rebels from the forests, there were poisonous gases, and mobile cavalry, aviation and armored units pursued and destroyed the "Antonov" troops. By acting this way, the state ended with the uprising in the summer month and a half in 1921. Within a year, the Chekists hunted down and destroyed the leaders of the uprising - A. Antonov, A. Boguslavsky, I. Ishin and others. The Tambov peasantry was taught a memorable lesson at the cost of tens of thousands of lives. I had to abandon the surplus appropriation for a while and allow the peasants to trade locally. "
          In more detail - http://www.bestreferat.ru/referat-109202.html

          here is another link http://vladimir.miloserdov.name/articles/page-65.html
          1. Rider
            Rider 19 August 2013 16: 06
            +3
            Quote: Ruslan_F38
            I'm interested in the film and the truth that the author told. Why is everyone criticizing the film without familiarizing themselves with historical facts?


            because this film is another visual aid to the information war.
            Have you ever thought about the fact that for a long time old Soviet films about the war have not been shown?
            and the answer is simple, they show the war from the point of view of OUR people, not Koch Gref Chubashi birch and pr liberoids.

            even though THREE true and based on real events.
            but it is anti-national in nature.
            and if he were the only one, but on the screens dominated by a host of products / in another way you will not name / of this kind.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 19 August 2013 16: 14
              +1
              Quote: Rider
              Have you ever thought about the fact that for a long time old Soviet films about the war have not been shown?

              Well, it’s in vain that a month ago I enjoyed watching "commander of a happy pike"
            2. Ruslan_F38
              Ruslan_F38 19 August 2013 16: 26
              -2
              even though THREE true and based on real events.
              but it is anti-national in nature.


              I strongly disagree with you, this is a film about the life of an ordinary Russian woman against the background of the events of the Antonov uprising in the Tambov region. What is his anti-nationality? What nonsense. I love Russia, I hate kokh and other little people, liberals, white-ribbon workers - but this film impressed me with its believability, solidity, the fate of this simple peasant woman admires me, just like the fate of many in this film, what hell they had to go through ... I do not know about others, but after watching this film I am even more proud of this country, its ordinary people and this Russian woman, who is very similar to the heroine of S. Govorukhin's film "Bless the Woman". And I will also tell you - with a smile and a positive, "whitening history", closing our eyes to facts and forgetting our genetic affiliation, our history - we are digging our own grave, losing our essence, individuality, our genetic code. Read the reviews, reviews about this film - this is a real auteur cinema, superbly filmed, with great acting and great believability and realism.
              1. Rider
                Rider 19 August 2013 16: 56
                +2
                I’ll honestly say that our dispute is futile.
                you see one thing in this film, I’m completely different.

                I’ll just give you some allegory.

                approximately 20 rapes per year are committed in the US Army / yes yes, exactly TWENTY THOUSAND PER YEAR!/
                Here's the idea that they’ll make a film on them, FIVE HOURS of wild sex violence.
                and this "masterpiece" will be broadcast on TV channels every day.
                what impression will this make on people?
                Is THAT ALL US ARMY A CARE OF SADISTS AND PERFORMERS?

                It will not matter to everyone that the army is conducting two major military operations, has the most advanced weapons, and has examples of feats and heroism shown by the military.
                only 20 sexual acts will remain in my head.

                In fact, this has already happened, but not with the American, but with the Red Army, on which 2 limons of fucked German women were hung.

                but if you prefer SUCH films about the history of our country, then this is YOUR choice.
                1. Ruslan_F38
                  Ruslan_F38 19 August 2013 17: 21
                  -1
                  Quote: Rider
                  I’ll honestly say that our dispute is futile.
                  you see one thing in this film, I’m completely different.

                  I’ll just give you some allegory.

                  approximately 20 rapes per year are committed in the US Army / yes yes, exactly TWENTY THOUSAND PER YEAR!/
                  Here's the idea that they’ll make a film on them, FIVE HOURS of wild sex violence.
                  and this "masterpiece" will be broadcast on TV channels every day.
                  what impression will this make on people?
                  Is THAT ALL US ARMY A CARE OF SADISTS AND PERFORMERS?

                  It will not matter to everyone that the army is conducting two major military operations, has the most advanced weapons, and has examples of feats and heroism shown by the military.
                  only 20 sexual acts will remain in my head.

                  In fact, this has already happened, but not with the American, but with the Red Army, on which 2 limons of fucked German women were hung.

                  but if you prefer SUCH films about the history of our country, then this is YOUR choice.


                  The example of the American army was not successful in my opinion and did not convince me, because I consider not only the American army, but America in general as a product of evil and do not have the right to exist - so we probably will not agree.
                  Regarding our Army, I don’t agree who and what abroad thinks about our soldiers, I don’t care, for me they are heroes who defeated fascism and no one can convince me otherwise.

                  Of course, my choice, I recommend watching "Cold Summer of Fifty-third", from the new "Siberia Monamur" - maybe you will look at such films differently.
                  1. Rider
                    Rider 19 August 2013 17: 39
                    +2
                    Quote: Ruslan_F38
                    An example about the American army is not successful in my opinion


                    it is only in your opinion.
                    Every day there is a powerful targeted informational pressure of a certain kind.
                    Quote: Ruslan_F38
                    Regarding our Army, I don’t agree who and what abroad thinks about our soldiers, I don’t care, for me they are heroes who defeated fascism and no one can convince me otherwise.

                    I’m certainly not happy for your point of view.
                    that's just to defend one chernukha, and defend the "truthfulness" of the other, it's like beee ...
                    it may even come to the point that your child, having played just such a igruhu, will ask you "was it really" and you will answer him, "son, and you watch the movie <one woman> and he will believe, it was ...

                    http://carambatv.ru/movie/bad-comedian/company-of-heroes-2/
                    1. Ruslan_F38
                      Ruslan_F38 19 August 2013 19: 06
                      0
                      Rider
                      I’m certainly not happy for your point of view.
                      that's just to defend one chernukha, and defend the "truthfulness" of the other, it's like beee ...


                      Chernukha is your point of view, this is your view.
                      This is the history of our country, the director’s view is based on facts. My grandmother is well over 90, was born in an ordinary Russian village on the Volga. What she told me and tells me about those times - corresponds to what is shown in the film.
                      Regarding the uprising itself, I hope there is no doubt that it was bloody and unusually cruel. But about the Russian life of that time.
                      Here is one of the reviews of the film which describes life in the village at that time, the very first comment: http: //kino.otzyv.ru/film.php? Id = 3159
                      This is our story - have you decided that you were born in a rhinestone in a highly developed country among highly developed people? Have you forgotten your childhood? Do you want to forget history? To cross out the past? You want to abandon your ancestors or change them - but this is impossible, this is a given. This is a big mistake and to blame everything on some kind of Western propaganda, denigrating us in the eyes of the whole world - this is called paranoia. I can tell you with a high degree of probability that if it were not for this shot list of sponsors - you and many others would have appreciated the author's work differently - I am absolutely sure. Read below, they already do not argue about the film, they earn the pluses and the list of sponsors is "shot".
                      1. Rider
                        Rider 19 August 2013 19: 26
                        +2
                        Quote: Ruslan_F38
                        Chernukha is your point of view, this is your view.


                        yes, but you write it down in "your" history.
                        I also had grandmothers, (grandfathers died at the front), but they didn’t tell anything about the revolution and the civil.
                        Although one of his great-grandfathers served in the late 20s for counter-revolutionary activities. came out in the early 30s and was no longer involved. (Stalin's terror - yeah yeah) died before the war.
                        the second was cut down by the Dutovites as a sympathetic red.
                        so I have a MISCIPLINARY view of those events

                        Well, if you think that such a movie can be shown to your children, then this is YOUR business, well, at the same time, recommend a game
                        two pairs of steam.
                  2. V. Salama
                    V. Salama 20 August 2013 15: 57
                    +1
                    Quote: Ruslan_F38
                    An example about the American army is not successful in my opinion and did not convince me
                    When the concrete does not convince, it makes sense to move to the abstract. This technique was also used by Solzhenitsyn. In fact, this is a synthesis of two methods - 1. "pass the part for the whole" and 2. "collect all the negative in a particular historical situation and dump it in one place."
                    This has nothing to do with the truth, or rather, it may be your truth, but not mine, in particular.
                    By the way, the use of such techniques is a clear characteristic of personality traits, necessary and sufficient for the final conclusion. It’s a pity you don’t understand this. And the list of "patrons" does not play a role here, and the fact that they were not "indignant before" - but there was simply no reason.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 20 August 2013 16: 26
                      +4
                      Quote: V. Salama
                      and the fact that they were not "indignant before" - but there was simply no reason.

                      The reason arose after the publication of the article "There will be no Kin", where this "Baba" was remembered. The article about Mindadze is not bad. But it became a signal "Atu, him, atu!"
                      We are all different, with different tastes.
                      But there is no need to limit my freedom with the words "Do not let go!", To point out to me, allegedly, my "liberal" delusions.
                      Both "Baba" and "Tiger" are films with allegorical techniques. From the standpoint of criticism, any folklore, any allegorical works can be gouged to smithereens.
                      What do we see? "... I have not looked, and I will not ...". Type did not read, there is no need - smart people said it was bullshit.
                      And after that, some "downed pilot" with an "incomprehensible" tail number, will teach me how to love the Motherland?
                      The Motherland begins "... with a picture in your primer, with good and faithful comrades living in a neighboring yard ...". And it is necessary to defend the Motherland in the places where you live, work by deed, by deed. And not with patriotic shouts on the Internet.
                      1. V. Salama
                        V. Salama 21 August 2013 13: 34
                        0
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        We are all different, with different tastes.

                        However, tastes and preferences are not the subject of discussion here. I wanted to reproach you with cunning, but maybe you really think so.
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        But do not limit my freedom with the words "Do not let go!" ...
                        Do not fancy, you cannot limit freedom with words. And "no need" words - here you contradict yourself.
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        ... point me to my alleged "liberal" delusions.
                        Well, you yourself are to blame, I looked at your polemics here - hooked, I recognize the teachers, and gave a lot of reasons to suspect you of insincerity.
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Both "Baba" and "Tiger" are films with allegorical techniques.
                        Don't be attracted, these films pursue different goals, you try to translate everything to your tastes. Disingenuous, however. We already have a sad experience with Govorukhin's film Russia We Lost. The film is a weapon of terrible destructive power (in capable hands).
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        "... I have not looked, and I will not ...".

                        Ancient Russian wisdom, by the way. Provided at one time survival: "I have not tried and will not ...".
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Homeland begins "...
                        Take it aside again ..., the Motherland has not only a beginning, but the Motherland itself. Ask yourself what it is? Otherwise, you can lose it if you do not know what you have.
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        And it is necessary to defend the Homeland in the places where you live, work, do business, act. And not patriotic screams on the Internet.
                        Again, a familiar spirit breathed .... Before taking up shovels and saws, building a structure, we need to decide on a project or, at least, discuss how it should look, what we think is essential in this matter. So it won't work without discussion. And if "to defend the Motherland in the localities" - what exactly (picture in the primer), from whom and how? So there is a good Chinese proverb: "He who does not understand the meaning will spend the efforts of nine bulls and will not get the desired result." And rest assured - there will be those who will take advantage of this.
                      2. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 21 August 2013 17: 49
                        +3
                        Quote: V. Salama
                        And be sure - there are those who take advantage of this.

                        But did you try to read and comprehend everything in its entirety, without breaking it down into quotes?
                        I explain.
                        You cannot force a person to a certain degree of spirituality and patriotism, just as you cannot force a woman you like to share a bed with you.
                        Spiritual values ​​are presented from without, and not hammered into the head by prohibitions and strict instructions. In this case, the Soviet Agitprop "burned out", having lost the information war for the souls of the younger generation of the 70s and 80s. I myself am from this generation, and I see the old methods of compulsion to patriotism through "Do not let go".
                      3. V. Salama
                        V. Salama 22 August 2013 13: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        But did you try to read and comprehend everything in its entirety, without breaking it down into quotes?

                        In pedagogy, the processes of "perception" and "understanding" of the material are divided and detailed into their constituent elements. The very process of "assimilation" is also detailed. Here it does not interfere with understanding your idea "entirely". I have broken into quotes for your convenience. It would be more convenient for you (if you thought it necessary) to object to me on each component. "The elephant must be eaten in pieces" (this wisdom is attributed to the pygmies). Well, it is important to remember that any statement will be true or not depends on the situation. In addition, any truth can be discredited by reducing it to absurdity. For example, there was a case in our history when one not very smart person formulated that he "... did not read it, but I condemn it." Stupid and funny, right, if taken away from the situation? But I can cut off this laugh with a scabrous anecdote about two cowboys who managed to get into a pile of dung on clean prairie. That is, using the other extreme, to reduce this argument to the absurd. You can go to a specific one and show situations when it is obvious that this argument does not work at all (but here, I think, is not the right format for voluminous writing). Conclusion: there are very few universal arguments as evidence of their judgments, you cannot blindly take the proposed templates.
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        You can’t force a person to a certain degree of spirituality and patriotism ... they are not hammered into the head by prohibitions and strict instructions

                        Does anyone refute this? There is a scientific definition of the concept of "belief" as a method of the pedagogical process, which presupposes not only a set of correct pedagogical influences, but also the presence of critical perception in the student. Otherwise it will not be "persuasion" but "suggestion" or "manipulation".
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Spiritual values ​​are presented from the outside ...
                        Here you are not entirely right. On the one hand, there is a place for this process, but the necessity and role of "education" cannot be denied.
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        In this case, the Soviet Agitprop "burned out" ...
                        Fools are not only our historical misfortune, but also our main and inexhaustible resource. It’s a joke, but it’s sad that there is no protection from them yet - they make their way up to the wrong place, bring the country to a zugunder, and then, corporate united by selfish interest, begin to carry frank nonsense.

                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        ... and I see the old methods of forcing patriotism through "Do not let go".
                        I also see, but in this case, you took one process after another, I think so.
                    2. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 21 August 2013 17: 53
                      +3
                      Quote: V. Salama
                      I looked at your polemics here - hooked, I recognize teachers

                      Enlighten - most interesting.
                      Education, although higher, but technical. I never participated in discussions.
                    3. V. Salama
                      V. Salama 22 August 2013 13: 39
                      0
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      I never participated in discussions.

                      Logic, as a science, is a universal tool that allows both to refute a lie and to manipulate consciousness cunningly and multistage. It is possible, for example, to tell the truth and at the same time to lie, well, and the mass of receptions of other varieties. Unfortunately, our enemies (or friends - it depends on your socio-political position) possess this tool better than us, which gives them the opportunity not only to manipulate our consciousness, but also to impose the way of thinking they need.
                      Your presence on this page is also a kind of discussion, and you used here a number of well-known templates that were already used earlier by N. Svanidze, L. Mlechin, V. Pozner and others, to which, to put it mildly, a strong dislike experiencing.
                      On the one hand, this is natural, you are using the media, watching political battles, assimilating, as it seems to you, convincing arguments. On the other hand, these "arguments" reveal your political preferences and are perceived as a formal sign of your partisanship. And if you think that your position is being incorrectly assessed, then you must bear in mind that the reason lies in this, in particular.
                    4. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 26 August 2013 01: 38
                      +3
                      Quote: V. Salama
                      On the other hand, these "arguments" reveal your political preferences and are perceived as a formal sign of your partisanship. And if you think that your position is being incorrectly assessed, then you must bear in mind that the reason lies in this, in particular.

                      Thank you.
                      I will consider.
                      But I do not refuse my opinion.
                      hi
                    5. V. Salama
                      V. Salama 26 August 2013 14: 46
                      0
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      But I do not refuse my opinion.

                      And he does not need to be abandoned. There is nothing wrong with it, because no matter what good or evil truth the artist (writer, screenwriter) seeks to show, life will always throw up facts that will be kinder or meaner. The whole nuance is that they are trying to feed us something else, along with this truth of life. At one time I was very amazed when one of the creators of the film “The White Sun of the Desert” (did not remember his last name, unfortunately) claimed that this film was conceived as anti-Soviet, but complained that it turned out what happened. A lot of money is being thrown into the ideological confrontation and this is worth it, because the price of the issue is the legitimacy of oligarchic capital, in particular. “Effective managers” are connected to the process of effectiveness of the funds used, who will not allow such a puncture, will not leave things to chance and will bring it to the desired result. Therefore, the "truth of life" often acts as a bait, as a hook, on which they try to hook us and lead us where we need to. But with this truth, we are invited to swallow something else that we, weakened by tears, do not always have time to recognize, but we pay the bills and catch it later. This film, and not an article about him, is a real ideological provocation. And you, by chance, found yourself on the ideological front, where culture is just another battlefield. You fought for the accessibility of the “truth of life”, which, it was believed, they are trying to deprive you, as before, and have reduced everything to aesthetic needs and patriotism, thereby possibly setting up the wrong barricades, because not the problems of tastes and aesthetic ones got aggravated here preferences, and survival needs. Therefore, the Goblin was not shy in expressions, giving his assessments of the film in the video on YouTube, in the war there is no point in lingering. This is unknowingly caught by your opponents (motive - conscious or unconscious an internal incentive source of action, which gives them focus and activity), but went about your arguments (without realizing your motives, accepted your rules of the game), which expectedly led to a dead end in your dispute.
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      In this case, the Soviet Agitprop "burned out" ...
                      If this is really your thought (the result of your understanding of the past situation), and not taken from someone and taken by you on faith, then it should be obvious to you that if you leave a place for a shepherd (functionary from ideology) in life, then the shepherd is in it will inevitably appear. The problem is that the shepherd can drive the herd in only one direction, and if opinions differ in the herd, then someone will inevitably be unlucky. The funny thing is that they criticize the shepherd and those whom he drove where they needed, only he did not have time for subtle conversations, and did not consider it necessary (he didn’t know how to do it, for example) - he quilted everyone in a row, both wrong and gape. And if you do without a shepherd, then from an early age you need to form a flair and intolerance for all forms of manifestation of social parasitism and manipulation of consciousness, but since it depends heavily on education, in particular, which is subject to the necessary reform, we will step on the old rake for a long time to come.
    2. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 20 August 2013 00: 29
      +1
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      this is a film about the life of a simple russian woman

      Yes-aaaaa, well, what can you say ... Maybe you really have never seen ordinary Russian women. Then I can only sympathize with you. And from the heroine of the film, as they say, God is harrow. -Who or what does she love? At least her children? Nope ... no one and nothing. That's so stupid, ANYTHING and ANYONE! Even scenes of supposedly "love" demonstrate only lust .... it's hard to imagine any more disgusting So that about ordinary RUSSIAN women with such "squiggles" as this film, it is better to keep quiet, otherwise they would not light up with a rolling pin ... I really want to move something into Smirnov's rotten head ...
      1. smile
        smile 20 August 2013 19: 19
        0
        Tverichanka
        That's right, it is stupidity and animal instincts that are the exhaustive characteristics of the heroine of this "one woman" ...
  • Tverichanka
    Tverichanka 20 August 2013 00: 18
    +3
    And what do you think, is it possible to watch, for example, the film "The Dawns Here Are Quiet" without first reading the original documents of the Second World War? And without this familiarization, will the film be understood?
  • Proud.
    Proud. 19 August 2013 16: 53
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    Nothing personal,

    My wife and I have different tastes, but she does not look at frank soap. She liked the films "House" and "Siberia. Monamur" (both dramas, although somewhat about something else), published but advertised in the same year with Smirnov's film.
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 19 August 2013 17: 26
      +1
      SibirMonamur - auteur cinema, a very worthy work of the author. I liked the house the same, but Siberia is more.
  • Andrey_K
    Andrey_K 19 August 2013 13: 35
    +4
    All modern films about the past look wild, because those who shoot them cannot even imagine and cannot imagine the person of that time.
    Even if they try to shoot something objective.
    Every time they make a film about "the life of ants".
    Well, what can remove about the life of ants then who has never been an ant?
    Well, yes, he knows that ants do some useful work for the sake of the anthill, that they sometimes die in packs and that their life is difficult.
    But this is not all that.
    What the ant feels at this time, what it rejoices in - this can only be understood by visiting the ant itself.
    It seems to me that the most objective films about the Soviet era are only films made in the Soviet era - by eyewitnesses and participants, or at least by those who spoke with eyewitnesses and were imbued with their philosophy and spirit.
    Even if something was embellished - it is easily cut off by logical filters and still these films are much more objective than any modern one.
    And what you are looking at now on the screen is some kind of zombies and not people who do not live but exist.
  • Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 19 August 2013 13: 40
    +2
    it was generally to look at hell?
    1. arkady149
      arkady149 19 August 2013 14: 16
      +5
      Those who are 30-40 and older remember how it was, the opinion of young people is formed by modern media and works of art. Young people say- "USSR-sucks and not cool" they believe, but only because they lie to them in their language, at an accessible conceptual level. Therefore, now in Japan, almost half of young people think that Hiroshima and Nagasaki are victims of the Soviet atomic bombing, and in Russia, no, no, and you will hear that Hitler was defeated by the Americans, and homosexuals are normal. This is an information war and it is still going on in our territory.
    2. vadimN
      vadimN 19 August 2013 15: 03
      +2
      Quote: Ragnarek
      it was generally to look at hell?


      The question is fundamentally wrong! Fuck it at all was to REMOVE?
      1. Rider
        Rider 19 August 2013 15: 54
        +1
        Quote: vadimN
        Fuck it at all was to REMOVE?


        KAAAAAK !!!! ??

        A DEAEYEEN? !!!

        in addition, to throw another poop into the brains of people, for him, people, money is so kosher.
  • Oskar
    Oskar 19 August 2013 14: 01
    +3
    And I thought: but the foreign viewer will look at this film and say to himself - “Yes, these Russians, just wild beasts, angry animals, do not live normally and don’t give to others! Why do they own such spaces? They are savages, barbarians! And all these stupid, illiterate, cruel Red Army men, who are going to build a bright future! Can anyone build such things at all ?! ”

    Apparently the film was shot for this purpose. Our Western "friends" and our local liberals assent to them, always diligently avert their eyes from all the good that was and is in our history, but frenziedly delve into any negative that they find even where it is not, savoring and hypertrophying it. The history of any state abounds in both light and dark pages, highlighting some and forgetting about others is their favorite weapon of propaganda of their ideas. And frankly substituting concepts and godlessly crooked.
    It is terrible that the film was shot on our taxes. It turns out that they are pouring dirt on us for our money, and at the same time forming an appropriate public opinion, showing us what kind of worthless and dark people we are, apparently not worthy of anything good and quite rightfully occupying such a huge territory.
  • Oskar
    Oskar 19 August 2013 14: 04
    +2
    Reminds perestroika and post-perestroika manner of presenting material.
  • Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 19 August 2013 14: 12
    +1
    The film is just trash. Reminds porn. This unsuccessful woman and this way and that both her and others. Who gave the money for it. Let it be better in Russia there will be no kin at all than that.
  • Isk1984
    Isk1984 19 August 2013 14: 15
    +4
    Yes, I watched it in rewind, you can’t watch it in another way, a rare shit ..but ... well, what can we expect from the sponsor of the film with the name Gozman, and Koch ...
  • Vtel
    Vtel 19 August 2013 14: 16
    +2
    And the faq do you want from the liberal media, their task is to spiritually drop the Russian people, which they could not defeat with weapons. And the list of the "5th" column confirms this. One thing is good that they didn’t succeed (God forgive me), they don’t get it and they won’t succeed, because God is with us.
    All with the Feast of the Transfiguration!
  • dmb
    dmb 19 August 2013 14: 26
    +3
    The trouble with our intelligentsia, as a rule, lies in its (in its opinion) exclusivity. Only they know the truth and know. what the people need. and all the rest, opening their mouths, must listen to them. This is especially clearly manifested in truly non-talented individuals, well, such as the same Smirnov. Remember the same Ryazanov; caustic satire in "Garage", denouncing servility and meanness, and after a short period of time a film about dear Boris Nikolaich, telling how Naina Iosifovna queues up for shop cutlets, and then the whole family, including daughter Tanechka and Ryazanov, who came to visit them eats with pleasure. The same Govorukhin makes honest films, and he headed Putin's headquarters in the elections. We can only hope that our grandchildren will watch "Belorusskiy Vokzal" with pleasure and pride, and that they will not remember about "Baba" even next year. However, this largely depends on us. PS Anticipating the outraged screams of a certain part of the members of the forum about the headquarters, let me remind you that it included many from the list indicated in the credits.
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 19 August 2013 14: 27
    -1
    Or take off a romantic, lively, “Alien amongst his own, amongst others”, thin “Unfinished piece for a mechanical piano” and reach “2 tired of the sun”. (N. Mikhalkov)

    Why are such monstrous metamorphoses happening ?!


    Or maybe it was not these people who shot Soviet masterpieces at all?
  • mithridate
    mithridate 19 August 2013 14: 39
    0
    it is high time to introduce strict censorship so that such liberal "authors, directors, screenwriters" could be left without work
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 19 August 2013 14: 39
    +4
    And I thought: but the foreign viewer will look at this film and say to himself - “Yes, these Russians, just wild beasts, angry animals, do not live normally and don’t give to others! Why do they own such spaces? They are savages, barbarians! And all these stupid, illiterate, cruel Red Army men, who are going to build a bright future! Can anyone build such things at all ?! ”

    this film is a drop in the ocean

    The world looked increasingly dangerous, unfair and cruel. I lived a stone's throw from school, but every day I still came across the corpses of cats and dogs that my peers tortured and killed. I just could not understand the reasons for such blind malice. My family was one of the poorest, I knew people who were even fewer than ours, but despair and poverty did not push me to hurt others.
    this is a quote from the opus of our former compatriot
    What do you think after reading this in a newspaper that they think about us ?!
    unequivocally - a crowd of ubdyuks who need to be destroyed, and the land divided between civilized people
  • mithridate
    mithridate 19 August 2013 14: 40
    +1
    it is high time to introduce strict censorship so that such liberal "sculptors" would be left without work
  • figwam
    figwam 19 August 2013 14: 45
    +1
    I did not look and I will not watch the work of the liberalists.
    Bring back Stalin ...
  • serge
    serge 19 August 2013 14: 48
    +3
    A vile film whose characters are shown by animals living in a stable, with animal instincts inherent in them. Pure lies, there is practically nothing to discuss here. Filmed by the enemies of the Russian people and thanks for supporting the enemies of the Russian people.
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 20 August 2013 00: 48
      +1
      Quote: serge
      Vile movie

      Perhaps better than you no one has yet commented on this opus. It’s compressed, clear, right. I just have to thank you and join.
  • july
    july 19 August 2013 15: 25
    +2
    Quote: Andrey_K
    All modern films about the past look wild, because those who shoot them cannot even imagine and cannot imagine the person of that time.

    I agree to all 100! I remember my childhood in the early 60s, a small village, everyone lived rather poorly, clothes were bought, so the holiday was. But !!! People were happy! And sincerely enjoyed life. Since then, I have not seen holidays where everyone was together and everyone was happy with very small gifts of life. Of course there was everything and fights and betrayals and betrayals, but somehow it was all so much more alive compared to the present, that sometimes it seems to me that our present life is only a parody of the past and we do not live, but exist. The long-standing Soviet films are perhaps primitive in some ways, but not for those who were able to draw the joy of that time, there may be a trick in that people then understood after the war and in the midst of hardships the pricelessness of life ...
  • dobrik10
    dobrik10 19 August 2013 15: 30
    +1
    And there’s nothing to watch.
    Is there really no good story left in Russian history ???
  • Djozz
    Djozz 19 August 2013 15: 46
    +1
    "Actors (directors), a well-known thing, S.V.O.L.O.CH.L.!" A. Kuprin. For the sake of royalties, they will lick everything that is possible and shoot and film in cheap anti-Russian fakes. In the old days, this M.R.A.Z. was buried outside the church cemetery, like dogs!
  • rocketman
    rocketman 19 August 2013 15: 56
    +1
    read komenty. I will not watch. If from the same opera as the ut. Sun - 2, then well, his figs, lies and gamma
    1. smile
      smile 19 August 2013 17: 19
      +2
      rocketman
      You know, it's much worse. than these Mikhalkovskie "tortured by narzan", much worse ... almost an order of magnitude ...
  • KBPC50
    KBPC50 19 August 2013 15: 59
    +1
    What’s there to breed a buttock. Have paid. 30 silver coins.
  • rocketman
    rocketman 19 August 2013 16: 02
    +1
    Quote: dobrik10
    Is there really no good story left in Russian history ???

    Yes, complete. Just who will take them off? All of our so-called artistic intelligentsia lives on the handouts of the West, nourished by it, they are all former dudes, etc. They can only mud their country and nothing more.
    Well, well, what does the state don’t understand that they need to educate young people patriotically? In words - yes, but in fact - hell there. Well, here the Americans will make one hundred and fifty films about any heroism of their soldiers and turn the defeat into victory. and as we were in the opera, we will. We will soon take away the Victory, and we will all be silent ...
  • Humpty
    Humpty 19 August 2013 16: 18
    +7
    Persons of Russian liberalism
  • Djozz
    Djozz 19 August 2013 16: 27
    +3
    Recently, the cartoonist Harry Bardeen was "offended" for breaches of the contract, such a VON rose among the liberals, even if you endure the saints, they offended the "genius", but for the cartoon "Puss in Boots" alone, he needs to clean up its H.A. Ryu!
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 19 August 2013 17: 37
      -1
      But it’s possible in more detail - in the cartoons it seems that Russia has not spat on it yet ...
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 19 August 2013 17: 52
        0
        His cartoon plasticine "Puss in Boots", take the trouble to look through.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 19 August 2013 21: 05
          0
          This is the one in which the main hero Karabasov?
  • olviko
    olviko 19 August 2013 16: 41
    +1
    "Where is the point from which betrayal of oneself begins, and most importantly, for what ?!"

    For what? Well, as you know, a pig always finds dirt. Whoever sells his own mother for 30 silversmiths, for someone it’s high to obos..t his people and country. As Pechorin wrote: "How sweet it is to hate the motherland. And eagerly await her humiliation."
    Pushkin also noticed this perversion:
    "You illuminated your mind with enlightenment,
    You saw the pure light of truth
    And fondly alien peoples fell in love
    And he wisely hated his own. "
    These dirty tricks can be attributed to Smirnov. Well, what about the script? it’s enough to get acquainted with the financial support group, the only Zhidovin Koch, known for his vile statements about Russia and Russians. What scenario could he support?
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 19 August 2013 16: 50
    +6
    Too many jackals have divorced (devourers have fallen). Who are they counting on? Who is worshiped? Who will follow their path. Maybe their sons and grandchildren? Yes, they will be ashamed, offended by their relative.
    Here is an example of the revelation of one of the shit, a favorite of the public Chubais (the Red Devil) - one of the customers:
    - I have an atypical attitude towards the Soviet regime. Moreover, it will cause, I think, a rather sharp negative reaction.
    The fact is that I hate Soviet power. Moreover, I hate little in life as the Soviet government. And especially its late stage. In my life, nothing disgusting than the late Soviet power, did not happen. With all the complaints about what is happening in the country now.
    It began with the morning radio turning on and a cheerful voice with such a special disgusting Soviet intonation: "Hello, comrades! Let's start morning exercises!" Vysotsky Vladimir Semenovich, "Song about Exercising" - remember? "Bad news is not terrible - we start running on the spot." This is the essence of the abomination of the Soviet regime.
    I hated my school. The school was with an advanced military-patriotic education. We went to formations in uniforms with a collar, like those of military sailors, and sang a song: "The sun is shining clear, hello, wonderful country!"

    My school does not cause me tender feelings. And the main memory is that my friends and I once decided to take it apart, and it is better to set it on fire. We managed to tear off only one step on the porch and a seagull, welded to the military-patriotic monument. We could not cause more damage to it. But we hated her all together.

    As for the institute, all the time it seemed to me that life would not start at all and was not in vain. I had only one feeling: when will all the talk end and finally be able to do some normal useful thing?

    LATER AND IT WOULD ,,,, Under the leadership of Chubais, a privatization program was developed and implemented, as a result of which a significant part of large state assets fell into the hands of a narrow group of individuals (“oligarchs”). THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FINALLY AND ....
    http://www.business-gazeta.ru/.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 19 August 2013 16: 51
    +2
    Where is the point from which the betrayal of oneself begins, and most importantly, for the sake of what ?!

    We know what - the portraits of the late American presidents. Well, or whatever is drawn on the Jews. Filmmakers also want to eat. And I want to ride, but not on VAZ products, but on what to the west, well, or much more povostochno like Lexus. And fly to the Canary Islands. And sponsors nowadays "Belorusskiy Vokzal" or even "17 Moments ..." will not support financially. So they shoot what is in demand by the general public sponsors.
  • individual
    individual 19 August 2013 16: 51
    +3
    It is hard and hard for Russia to wake up from the dope of the 90s.
    We are also ruled by intermediaries Chubais, Kudrin, Gozman, Koch and other Prokhorovs and Vekselbergs who finance the "swamp" and beat their hooves in anticipation of their time.
    The mass media have not yet replaced Westerners with full-fledged patriots of Russia. Therefore, the viewer, going to the cinema, finds himself in the "circus" of the perverted past.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 19 August 2013 16: 51
    +6
    Lenin was right when he characterized such a "creative intelligentsia" and its sponsors, local on the list and foreign, with one capacious Russian word g ... but.
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 19 August 2013 16: 57
    +5
    Looked at the big screen.
    Smirnov, indirectly, through the film, hooked me degree of hate to your people.
    I just did not expect such a sincere feeling from him. This is probably how to swell in the company of people, where everyone has known each other for a long time, and finally tell this company the whole "truth" about it.
    I don’t understand, what do many people say here? Civil war, Tambov uprising, knowledge of history, archives, etc.
    The film goes to higher generalizations. Barbara is the personification of the Russian people. The people are blind, limited, indifferent, spiritually undeveloped. And constantly sleepy, raped. Well, he himself is to blame for everything. Not a person! It is far from the cultural centers of Europe, its values ​​are inaccessible to him. And then there are none: ((
    "There is no more perverse than our people in the whole world," says the convict in the film.
    Regarding the fate of this people, Smirnov has only one suggestion - he should disappear, the abyss flooded with flooding, not leaving behind ANYTHING.
    Because there are no righteous people. Absolute hopelessness! All wretched, cruel, lecherous, constantly drunk.
    There will be a flood all over the Russian land! This land with its stupid and cruel people has no right to exist. Another "Russian artist" thinks so.
    I am truly sorry for Mr. Smirnov. He was not born there and did not become that.
    1. Rider
      Rider 19 August 2013 17: 09
      +2
      Quote: BigRiver
      There will be a flood all over the Russian land! This land with its stupid and cruel people has no right to exist. Another "Russian artist" thinks so.


      and he is not alone
      / unfortunately the photo does not appear /
      just give a reference to the material

      http://oko-planet.su/politik/politwar/156498-marina-yudenich-nadezhda-olgi-roman
      ovoy.html


      I recall this is the same Romanov who called the memorial under construction a fallen soldier - a cemetery of Kremlin pets.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 19 August 2013 17: 33
        0
        Quote: Rider
        I recall this is the same Romanov who called the memorial under construction a fallen soldier - a cemetery of Kremlin pets.

        Well, after all, you don’t have to look at this patient at the neurological clinic: it’s clear that she will not say anything good, but Smirnov and taking off this is really a very unpleasant surprise ...
        1. Rider
          Rider 19 August 2013 17: 44
          +2
          Quote: Albert1988
          Well, after all, you don’t have to look at this patient at the neurological clinic: it’s clear that she will not say anything good,


          unfortunately recently such patients have come up ...
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 19 August 2013 18: 30
            +1
            Quote: Rider
            unfortunately recently such patients have come up ..

            No kidding - I recently found out that in our country, patients in psycho-neurological dispensaries are officially allowed to use the Internet !!! And this is really not some kind of joke ... So, unfortunately, nothing surprising ...
        2. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka 20 August 2013 01: 09
          +1
          Quote: Albert1988
          but Smirnov and remove this

          Why do you think that he could have removed something else? Only because of the "Belorussky Station"? You can minus me to the skulls, but I personally do not like this film. The song in it is certainly great. But the film itself has a smell Can't you see? Try to watch and listen to everything CAREFULLY, you will immediately understand what I am talking about .... My father fought the whole war from July 41st to September 45th, he saw everything ... Here he also hated this film ...... And therefore, I did not expect anything else from such a deo as Smirnov. Everything is logical. Just before he ss ... l, they could not be punished, but now for such a prize happens, honor and respect from those who do not.
    2. Vladimir_61
      Vladimir_61 19 August 2013 22: 35
      +2
      Quote: BigRiver
      He was not born there and did not become that.

      Such upside-down people do not become "wrong". They were, hypocrites for the time being. Even a student at school, working on an essay on a given topic, reveals his inclinations and expresses his inner world. Consequently, having shot a vile film, the director publicly spoke about himself. The same mechanism. A dirty consciousness cannot give rise to high art. Those who leave forever reveal themselves more and more sharply. The easier it will be to get rid of them.
    3. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 20 August 2013 00: 57
      +2
      Quote: BigRiver
      I am truly sorry for Mr. Smirnov.

      And for some reason I am not at all sorry! Not only that, he disappeared along with his "masterpiece". And in the next world, so that the devils would not give him any rest!
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 19 August 2013 17: 13
    0
    Russian cinema is in deep crisis. Overseas hack reigns in cinemas (Hollywood has decent films, but only a few of them). But the Soviet cinema was quoted at the world level. Although some directors mutter about the brutal censorship. Yes, there was censorship, but it, among other things, did not let outright trash work on the screens of the country. This is evidenced by the Oscars, the palm branches of Cannes, etc. A rampant democracy has come, there are no bans, censorship has been removed for filmmakers. And a stream of chernukha, rubbish, lies poured onto the screens. Cops and bandits, prostitutes and thieves are the main "heroes" of modern Russian cinema. I repeat: the current cinematography of Russia is head over heels in a swamp. I have not seen the movie discussed in this article. But if it was financed by the Chubais, I don't expect anything good from this film, Yes, and I will not watch.
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 19 August 2013 17: 18
    +1
    Well, I’m glad that there are (squeaky) and good patriotic films! legend 17 ! a very successful film, probably the best in my opinion post-Soviet film shot after the collapse of the USSR!
  • Albert1988
    Albert1988 19 August 2013 17: 26
    +2
    I read the article simply overwhelmed - because the author’s reaction to this heresy completely coincided with mine, though I admit, the film mastered only until the middle - it really made me sick. Apparently for any Russian person who remembers his ancestors and loves his country, this film can cause nothing but a complex reflex act with inverse peristalsis of the esophagus ...
    The author's question of what happens to our good directors has also been worrying for a long time the majority of not indifferent compatriots. And there is an alarming feeling, at least for me that it is not about the "liberals" of our beloved people here, because the same directors shot wonderful films in their time. If the matter with Mikhalkov is clear a little more - well, the person fell into a megalomania against the background of universal love and respect, so he began to shoot something incomprehensible and for whom ...
    But Smirnov surprised ... He simply surprised ... Sometimes the truth creeps in, that maybe he had quite a bit of money, that the oligarchs sold out and were ready to take off any libel if they paid ...
    In general, my opinion is this - the best opposition to such a thing (I don't even know how to characterize it) - contempt and complete boycott on the part of normal citizens (fortunately, we have more of them than "swamps") - and then there is no "liberal-creative-entillegent"
    t; the class will not be able to pour slops on our country, culture and ourselves!
  • andrey777
    andrey777 19 August 2013 17: 47
    +1
    Itself looked, really pulls. Everywhere violence. Well there is no such muck in the Russian remote places (if only in isolated cases, but this is not all Russia).
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 19 August 2013 18: 00
    +3
    I liked the movie ...
    And I don’t like this LATERED FOOL around the poor and unfortunate "One Woman" - and why did it have to wait for three whole years to burst out with such harsh criticism?
    The director emphasized the details of the life and life of the Russian peasantry in those crucial years. And everything else is from the evil one ...
    Tastes differ.
    And if the question is posed in this way, then one should take an example and a reference point to "Kuban Cossacks", "Lenin in October", "Four tankmen with a dog", etc.
    Along the way, such controversial films as "Penal Battalion" and "Come and See" should be "shelved".
    The main focus of the article is the co-comrades listed by name, who had a hand in making the film.
    I am sure that if there were no such names in the credits, there wouldn’t be so much hype.
    Or are we voluntarily joining the ranks of "Ivanov who do not remember childhood"?
    hi
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 19 August 2013 18: 33
      0
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      The director emphasized the details of the life and life of the Russian peasantry in those crucial years.

      It is precisely that which he didn’t just accentuate, but brought together all the most terrible things, which probably could have taken place in the life of the Russian peasant, thickened de colors and gave out as a typical case ...
      For that and resentment ...
    2. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 20 August 2013 01: 17
      +1
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      then you should take an example and benchmark

      An example and a reference point - "Quiet Don"! Is something in this work annoying? What, in your opinion, did not Sholokhov tell the truth? Or Gerasimov did not show in his film?
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 20 August 2013 02: 27
        +3
        Quote: Tverichanka
        Something annoying you in this work

        If something "strains" me, it is clearly a belated "hitting" the film, with accusations against the director in "ch.i.r.n.u.h.e", etc.
        And also a rabid company accompanying this "One woman".
        There are no class or negative connotations in the film.
        The article is a pure provocation, an attempt to mix flies with cutlets, which makes it possible to "praise the cuckoo of the rooster, so that the rooster would praise the cuckoo."
        A further development of this stupid discussion will be a call to burn unnecessary, in the opinion of "leavened" patriots, books and films in the central squares ...
        People, you do not notice how you were "taken on weakly" ...
        And the "witch hunt", then, is not far off.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 20 August 2013 12: 06
          +3
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          The article is a pure provocation, an attempt to mix flies with cutlets, which makes it possible to "praise the cuckoo of the rooster, so that the rooster would praise the cuckoo."

          Judging by the indignant anonymous names, secretly sculpting minuses, this is the very same, cuckoos with roosters ... laughing
          And again, and again "... in impotent rage the red commissars ...".
        2. V. Salama
          V. Salama 20 August 2013 16: 08
          +1
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          There are no class or negative connotations in the film.
          You did not seem naive at the beginning, but here ....
  • wax
    wax 19 August 2013 18: 03
    +3
    There is a saying: Tell me who your friends are, and I will say who you are. For this film, just look at the list of sponsors to understand the purpose of the film. I think that on this site there are no commentators who point at least to someone from the list as a decent person.
  • Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 19 August 2013 18: 29
    0
    the question is posed correctly. current artists live by the principle-argue, vparit, get loot. but the fact that it is stupid, stupid, sometimes absolutely disgusting and most importantly, is always not interesting, nobody is interested. and the main thing is that they are producers of shit, they understand this and still do what they want. you, they say, will enjoy what we do to you, because we esthetes and enay what is good and what is bad. which is very bad.
  • Vako
    Vako 19 August 2013 18: 31
    -1
    "In other words, this is a signal to the Russian youth that this is precisely THIS that is our fate and an example to follow! After all, this is the kind of" MIR "we are offered to recreate!"
    Or maybe they want to show us how not to live!
    1. Kite
      Kite 19 August 2013 18: 43
      +3
      They say that true love is the rarest phenomenon, that's why songs are composed about it and films are made, i.e. give a guide to people. Why talk about private squalor to spread - I do not understand. Who needs this "truth of life" in the madhouse ward? I know that anything can happen, there are maniacs, perverts, feeble-minded from birth. So I endure it with an attempt to understand the misfortune of a neighbor, but I don't want to get into the details. So with this film, after such a review, I will hardly devote time to it.
      (PS If donors for the film are Chubais and Koch, then I think the movie is crappy. There can be nothing good from such parasites!)
    2. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 25 August 2013 14: 58
      0
      uv.vako, but maybe how it is necessary and not necessary to live, you must determine for yourself? or live by the principle: in my summers should not dare to have their own judgment?
  • july
    july 19 August 2013 18: 35
    +3
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Or are we voluntarily joining the ranks of "Ivanov who do not remember childhood"?

    Well, actually the saying goes like this "... Ivan does not remember kinship." As for your assessment, there is no dispute about tastes, but here it is different, do you really think that everything heroic has already been shown, it's time to look under your underwear? All of our current way of life does not scream that there are no worthy examples for young people, there are no heroes, only Batman and Pakemon. Do you want to show the whole truth of life? Well, in fact, it is so easy to raise documents about the war, and I am sure there will be so many atrocities on the part of the fascists that have not yet been published that it will not seem a little. Show me a state where its people would be so humiliated in the cinema, why is it permissible with ours? We defeated fascism, and the winners are not judged.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 19 August 2013 18: 45
      +3
      Quote: July
      there are no worthy examples for youth, there are no heroes, only betmans and pakemons

      I agree - no.
      Does Pavka Korchagin turn out to be "pulled out into the light of day"?
      The main question of the article "Was it really so?" covered up with the question of the co-founders of the film.
      1. yak69
        19 August 2013 21: 04
        0
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Does Pavka Korchagin turn out to be "pulled out into the light of day"?

        Pavka Korchagin is a worthy example to follow. How worthy of imitation and deepest respect and the author of "How the steel was tempered." Don't you agree?
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        The main question of the article "Was it really so?" covered up with the question of the co-founders of the film.

        Not at all right! The question is different - why did these sponsors not finance a film about the labor feat of youth during the Second World War, for example? When the 14-year-old boys stood at the machine for 10 hours.
        Want to know the historical truth? Fund the book using genuine (not fake) archival material. And it will be more honest and correct.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 19 August 2013 21: 41
          +3
          Quote: yak69
          Pavka Korchagin is a worthy example to follow. How worthy of imitation and deepest respect and the author of "How the steel was tempered." Don't you agree?

          I do not agree.
          Each time requires its own "hero".
          And behind Pavka Korchgin’s grandfather Gaidar looms, famously chopping heads in 16 years, and his granddaughter, now deceased, chopped these heads differently, but with the same tragedy.
          Try to write an article in a similar spirit about Russian football - there is a lot of money going to the left. There will be other names, but the meaning is the same.
          I repeat - they do not argue about tastes, facts cannot be thrown out of the history of the country.
          hi
          1. yak69
            20 August 2013 01: 29
            +2
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            And behind Pavka Korchgin’s grandfather Gaidar looms, famously chopping heads at 16,

            And what does Gaidar have to do with Ostrovsky and the autobiographical hero of his book ?! Pavka Korchagin, this is about the heights of human resilience, courage and will to win. This is an eternal example and it is relevant for any time, just as the example of the citizen Minin and Prince Pozharsky is relevant. And it's not about tastes, but about what kind of "modality", what feelings and emotions this film evokes. "Come and see" E. Klimov gives birth to a desire to destroy fascism as a phenomenon, and "Bastards" or "May 4" is nothing but disgust at the sight of dirty lies!
            And if we talk about tastes, I will allow myself to note that you have a taste, dear, illegible.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 20 August 2013 02: 30
              +3
              Quote: yak69
              your taste, dear, illegible.

              And you, by chance, are not a relative of Senator McCarthy?
              He also started with accusations of bad taste ...
              1. yak69
                20 August 2013 17: 28
                0
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                And you, by chance, are not a relative of Senator McCarthy?
                He also started with accusations of bad taste ...

                Do not engage in verbiage. This is not an accusation, this is just my opinion about your taste, if you really like this libel!
    2. Rider
      Rider 19 August 2013 18: 47
      +2
      Quote: July
      We defeated fascism, and the winners are not judged.


      yes this is the whole point, SW Peter.
      KOMUTO VERY LIKE THAT EXACTLY WE WIN
      here they are trying in different ways to conquer this Victory.

      In fact, this is precisely why they make films like: weary of conscience, fines, bastards, etc.

      just think WHICH films were shot after OUR VICTORY, and which are shot now.
      hence the question: WHO NOW IS THE WINNER?
  • Turner
    Turner 19 August 2013 18: 41
    +1
    Quote: VaKo
    "In other words, this is a signal to the Russian youth that this is precisely THIS that is our fate and an example to follow! After all, this is the kind of" MIR "we are offered to recreate!"
    Or maybe they want to show us how not to live!

    I doubt that young people watch such films
  • uizik
    uizik 19 August 2013 18: 44
    +2
    A ready-made list for liquidation. They do not already hide their attitude to the Russian people and their history. It's time to get rid of such.