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Who prevented the monuments to the Soviet partisans?

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Who prevented the monuments to the Soviet partisans?



On the territory of Western Ukraine, the campaign to destroy monuments of the Soviet era is in full swing. In particular, we are talking about monuments to Soviet partisans. So, in the small resort town of Yaremcha, Ivano-Frankivsk region, a memorial plaque to Sidor Kovpak was demonstratively eliminated on the main square. The action was initiated by representatives of the All-Ukrainian Union "Trident" named after Stepan Bandera. The activists, tearing the bas-relief from the wall, smashed it with sledgehammers, and the fragments were kicked with their feet. According to the leaders of the union, the destruction of the memorial plaque of the legendary partisan commander was carried out in response to aggression from the enemies of the Ukrainian nation.

Recall that a few days earlier in the same town a communist rally, organized in honor of the seventieth anniversary of the infamous Carpathian raid of the partisan detachment of Kovpak, was attacked. The attackers were the militants of the Freedom party. They attacked the leader of the Communist Party of Ukraine P.Simonenko, throwing him with eggs and stones.

It should be noted that in this situation the police behaved strangely, because no action was taken by its representatives. Similarly, the destruction of a memorial plaque. It seems that nothing will prevent the Ukrainian nationalists from fulfilling their threat of the destruction of all the memorial signs all the way to the Carpathian raid.

The question arises: why the Ukrainian authorities are not taking anything to stop the vandals, in fact, encouraging their frankly illegal actions? T.Chernovol, a former deputy of the Ukrainian parliament, who in the past served as head of the election headquarters of Viktor Yanukovich, expressed his opinion on this issue. He is sure that now, in the light of some events, in particular, V. Putin’s last visit to Kiev and his frank disregard for his Ukrainian counterpart, it is especially important to destroy the memory of the common Soviet past. After all, Yanukovych no longer intends to pretend that he is a great friend of Russia and Putin.

It makes sense to delve a little history, to understand who S.Kovpak is, and what is his role in history. Back in 1942, the military formations of ONU-UPA began to fight against the troops of the Soviet partisans, cutting them into the territory of Polesye and Volyn. At the same time, a real hunt was launched for sabotage reconnaissance groups that were dropped from aircraft.

Bandera gave the fascists information about where the partisan detachments were located, and also gave them the paratroopers and partisans they managed to capture. One of the most significant successes of Bandera can be considered the disruption of the plans of the Soviet command to enter partisan units in 1944 on the territory of Halychyna in order to introduce sabotage actions on enemy communications. At the same time, the so-called Carpathian raid of Kovpak, the commander of the Putivl detachment, who commanded the partisan detachment from Poltava and Sumy, became a real nightmare for the same nationalists. In a short time, a small detachment of brave men turned into a rather serious military unit.

The Carpathian raid was envisaged by the combat operational plan for the Ukrainian partisans for the spring-summer period of 1943, and was approved by I. Stalin, the chairman of the State Committee of Defense of the Soviet Union.

The detachment went to the territory of Right-Bank and Western Ukraine in order to smash the communications of the enemy. The main task of the formation was to make the transfer of fascist troops to the Kursk Bulge, where fierce fighting took place, as difficult as possible. In addition, the partisans' tasks included conducting deep reconnaissance of enemy forces and fortifications throughout the Carpathian theater of operations, since in the fall of 1943, the battle for the Dnieper was launched by Soviet troops. The Soviet command set another task before the Kovpak detachment — to deliver a sizeable blow to the particularly sensitive point of the fascist troops supply — oil products. As it is known, the Carpathian basin in strategic importance as a fuel source held the second position after Romania for the Reich.

The raid began on 12 June 1943 of the year. Then in the composition of the detachment Kovpak, there were about 1930 people. In addition to war-hardened warriors, there was also a significant amount of weapons - about 150 machine guns, dozens of mortars and guns. The fighters acted in a raid from the village of Milosevichi in the Zhytomyr region, which is not far from the Ukrainian-Belarusian border. For a hundred days, the partisans had covered more than four thousand kilometers. Later, historians will call the Carpathian raid the most successful raid ever conducted by the Ukrainian partisans.

The general direction of the movement is the Zbruch River - the Carpathians, that is, those territories that were especially saturated with police units of the Turkmen and Uzbeks, Ukrainian nationalists. The most brutal resistance was provided by Tatar volunteers. However, this did not prevent the Soviet partisans from winning victories one by one.

The Kovpak detachment also conducted sabotage activities, in particular, in early July several road and railway bridges near Ternopil were blown up by its partisans, and tens of convoys passed through them within 24 hours. Such successful actions were the reason that all movement in these areas was stopped, the trains had to be returned back to Krakow and Lviv, to overtake the trains through Moldova and Romania. The transfer of fascist armored formations in the midst of the Battle of Kursk was disrupted.

This enraged Hitler, who ordered Himmler to destroy the Kovpak compound, which by that time numbered about 20 thousands of people. Hitler ordered Griger, the general of the SS troops, who had combat experience in the Carpathians during the First World War, to command the operation to eliminate the Kovpak detachment.

The Kovpak compound moved along the Dniester River, destroying more than 200 SS policemen and 37 vehicles on its way. The whole German administration escaped. At the same time, a leaflet appeared in which the Germans openly asked for help from the civilian population in the destruction of the Kovpak gang. 15 July 1943, partisan units were blocked by SS units in the forest, but they managed to escape and join the Carpathians.

A few days later, the partisans in the Black Forest from both sides immediately attacked the police regiment of the fascists, seizing the guns and firing at the Germans themselves. Then the Nazis lost 66 machines and three hundred soldiers. Attacking the enemy’s military formations, the partisans did not forget about the destruction of oil wells, oil derricks, factories and oil storages.

Against the partisan formation several police regiments with artillery and tanks, mountain police regiment, transferred to the Carpathians from Norway and mountain regiment of "edelweiss". In addition, Caucasian volunteers, Hungarian mountain regiments and the Belgian battalion took part in the operation to destroy partisans. In total, about 50 thousand people opposed Kovpak and his detachment.

Most of all, Kovpak was plagued by German Messerschmitt-110 raids, two of which the guerrillas managed to shoot down. At the same time, the weather conditions worsened: rains and thunderstorms began, the horses could not withstand the stress. The partisans had to blow up part of mortars and guns in the mountains. In addition, the detachment had to starve, because the Germans were stealing cattle. There was no way to deliver food from the mainland, since the front line was very far from the Carpathians, and the planes simply didn’t fly there.

Two dozen times the partisan detachment managed to escape from the traps of Krieger. But the difficult situation in which the division found itself forced the command to decide on the need to break through to the plain in the direction of the station Delyatin, where there were several railway and highway bridges, having blown up which could temporarily break away from the enemy. In addition, it was in Delyatyn Kriger headquarters.

4 August three shock guerrilla columns moved on the enemy. Then the German headquarters was completely destroyed, the bridges were destroyed and only Krieger managed to stay alive. The reserve forces of the enemy moved to the partisans because of the Prut River. The departure of Kovpak's detachment was covered by a small compound of Commissioner Rudnev, which included a 48 man. The guerrillas managed to leave the station, but that battle was the last for the commissioner.

The detachment was divided into several groups that independently selected from the mountains. The most amazing thing was that most of the seriously wounded soldiers were able to be saved. The return of the partisans to the former place of deployment continued throughout the fall of 1943. One of the most important results of the Carpathian raid was information about the combat capabilities of the Bandera underground in Western Ukraine.

A year later, it was here that fierce fighting between the troops of the NKVD and the UPA took place. For a successful fight against the rebels, the need arose for knowledgeable people. Therefore, the detachment of Kovpak was transformed into a cavalry brigade of the NKVD, which took part in the battles. And then the former partisans got a chance to fully revenge the enemy. According to many veterans, it was thanks to such units that the mass Bandera movement in Galicia was destroyed.

But back to our time. It should be noted that this is far from the first case when monuments of the Soviet era are being demolished in the Western Ukraine region. So, back in 2007, the city councils of Lviv and Ternopil adopted a resolution on the dismantling of all Soviet monuments. In Chernivtsi, the monument was destroyed “hawks” - volunteer units that opposed the troops of the UPA.

The leader of Svoboda, Oleg Tyagnibok, who called the SS division “Galicia” the greatest spiritual value of Ukrainians and repeatedly called for the destruction of monuments of the Soviet era, in particular, to demolish the monument to the soldier-liberator in the town of Striy in the Lviv region, because he According to politics, distorts the historical truth. The local authorities did not venture to such a scandalous step, so the monument was doused with paint, not forgetting the inscription about the “cursed Moskals”. There is nothing to be surprised about, because even earlier. In 1992, a monument to Nikolai Kuznetsov, Hero of the USSR, reconnaissance and partisan was dismantled in Lviv. Acts of vandalism regularly take place on the Hill of Glory in Lviv, a memorial to Soviet soldiers-liberators was poured with paint in Drohobych, swastikas were painted.

But, as they say, for which they fought, they ran into it. While Ukrainian nationalists are engaged in the destruction of Soviet monuments, unknown “avengers” are destroying monuments and plaques to leaders of the UPA. So, in particular, on the eve of Victory Day, the monuments of S. Bandera and R. Shukhevych in Ivano-Frankivsk, Rivne and Lviv regions were damaged. Also, the monument to Bandera, which is located on the territory of the museum-estate in the Stryisky district, the memorial plaque to Bandera on the building of the polyclinic in Zdolbunov, and the memorial plaque to Shukhevych in Lviv, was damaged.

To whom all these monuments interfere - it is not clear, because they are part of history. The older generation experienced both those times and those heroes. And the leaders of the nationalists, and the Soviet leaders, and the partisans - all this was, and just forget about them, destroying the monuments - will not succeed. And is it really worth fighting with monuments? Maybe it is better to think about how to make the stories of the two opposing sides peacefully coexist?

Materials used:
http://svpressa.ru/society/article/72388/
http://www.istpravda.com.ua/research/2010/12/7/7886/view_print/
http://inpress.ua/ru/politics/14292-v-yaremche-natsionalisty-likvidirovali-kovpaka
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  1. VadimSt
    VadimSt 19 August 2013 07: 58 New
    47
    Because of such nits, I personally will never be a patriot of half-hearted, semi-fascist Ukraine!
    1. reserve
      reserve 19 August 2013 09: 49 New
      -55
      "The Carpathian raid was foreseen by the operational plan ... and was approved by I. Stalin ..." Kovpak's unit was not a pure guerrilla unit. It was a sabotage detachment (commando in modern terminology) of the regular Red Army. They simply robbed the local population and raped them after drinking free vodka. Therefore, Westerners do not feel rosy feelings towards Kovpak. By the way, there were few partisan detachments on the territory of Ukraine. All these sad facts are becoming public knowledge only now, after the opening of archives in Ukraine, Russia, Germany (GDR), and the USA. So read books on the history of the country of residence, comrade. VadimSt.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 19 August 2013 10: 11 New
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        Quote: rezerv
        They simply robbed the local population and raped themselves with free vodka.


        Roll your sources into a tight roll, and push them into the exhaust manifold on a grand scale - that’s where they belong.
        Shake the corn fluid in your horn compartment, and try to answer a simple question - when did the Kovpak fighters fight? Between drunken cheers and orgies, or what ??? Inflicted by the compound Kovpaka S.A. damage is recognized by both parties, and is not disputed.
        It is not worth attributing the "exploits" of Hitler's lackeys-kurotsapov from the DUPA, who languishing with idleness and idleness, as well as reveling in unlimited power over the civilian population of the Zapukria and committed the above atrocities (as in the proverb - GOD DON'T GIVE THE PIG HORNS, AND THE COLD - BARST), and now they are trying to pass from a sore head to a healthy one with the participation of intellectual scoundrels like VAS.
        1. Simon
          Simon 19 August 2013 12: 47 New
          +6
          Speaking right. These lackeys adjust history for themselves to justify themselves to the people.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 19 August 2013 21: 09 New
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          Quote: Hudo
          and when did the Kovpakovites fight? Between drunken cheers and orgies, or what ???

          Why are you doing this?
          The guys write a new story, where the UPA saved Ukraine from the Communists and distributed flowers to everyone in the name of independence!
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 19 August 2013 21: 23 New
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            Quote: APASUS
            Why are you doing this?
            The guys write a new story, where the UPA saved Ukraine from the Communists and distributed flowers to everyone in the name of independence!


            Yes, these Zapadenskie cress underpolics do not understand otherwise. Well, you need to come up with this, you just imagine exhausted by the long transitions and battles, the Kovpakovites became billets. The superior forces of the enemy are army and police units, Galitsai gangs are persecuting, ambush, fighting every day. In the air, if not enemy combat aircraft, a reconnaissance aircraft hangs with the first rays of the sun. They could put themselves in order, bandage their wounds, and sleep at least a little - the delay in death is similar. But not according to the Galician version - the Kovpak people go to rape the Galician women (I also have the standard of femininity, they either wash there from rain to rain and sometimes without soap, so much better to keep silent about beauty). Who in their right mind would believe this?
            Truly rampant in the district of Galicia, the epidemic of iodine deficiency is an inexhaustible storehouse of cretinism and fascism of the locals!
        3. bagpipe
          bagpipe 19 August 2013 22: 32 New
          -6
          Let me ask, can the Kovpakovites sow a wheat? or livestock farms contained? Or can they be a stew of Lend-Lease air through the GPA supplied? It is clear that they were supplied at the expense of the local population.
          In general, in the material and in the comments there is a lot of untruth and frank nonsense, and even with a sign of provocation and distortion (... they attacked the leader of the Communist Party of Ukraine P. Simonenko - like - be more indignant, people offended commies (and they also called you earthworm )))
          And the mention of Kuznetsov in general for modern historians looks like a bad taste - too dubious facts, a dubious and implausible biography and nonsense, nonsense, nonsense ....
          It is interesting to read the sensible and thoughtful comments of people who are interested, try to figure it out, know how to read between the lines, and do not study history - our history, from films like "the exploit of a scout" and other Soviet crap. Throwing a minusyar on a guest from Ukraine, calling and humiliating the people is ours. Well, okay, to each - his own.
          Another small remark to the particularly indignant and overly emotional - guys, all Soviet films about the UPA with their mountains, forests and vuiks are nonsense! The main events took place on the territory of the Rivne and Volyn regions, i.e. in Volhynia and Polissya, the events in Galychin were "more modest".
          In general, on the whole - it’s sad - a good resource, sometimes it’s a good analytics, comments are read with interest, but when it comes to Ukraine - at least tick) Is that what the Russian brothers have today?
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 19 August 2013 23: 03 New
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            Quote: volynyaka
            Let me ask, can the Kovpakovites sow a wheat? or livestock farms contained? Or can they be a stew of Lend-Lease air through the GPA supplied?


            Unfortunately, the Kovpakites did not sow wheat and they didn’t have enough livestock in those years. They had to - people of peaceful professions in those years to fight the enemy and his lackeys from zapadentsev.
            1. bagpipe
              bagpipe 19 August 2013 23: 21 New
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              Dear, and at what expense then did the partisans live? ate and dressed? After all, people still alive and remember from whom the partisans took food and warm clothes.
              But the truth was something like this - a guy got into a fuss, grabbed a bag of potatoes, which the partisan took from the hut, and to him - a bullet in the forehead. Kholuy, they say, a henchman of the Nazis. And on the stove - 5 - 7 hungry mouths. By the way, there were no serious garrisons either - teams from the tenth calls, non-combatants, or Magyars - Romanians sat at the regional centers, and were afraid to poke around the edge of the city. They were all afraid - both the UPA and the red and blue - green and just gangs of deserters. That such a war was in Polesie.

              I’ll add it directly on the topic. It’s probably not good to destroy monuments. In any case, I have an unequivocal attitude towards this - vandalism. But to bring politics, to blame the people of the region - is extremely unserious.
              1. Simon
                Simon 20 August 2013 15: 23 New
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                Respected! War is always bad. And who drove the people into partisans, the Nazis, who drove the people into slavery - the Nazis, who drove the cattle to Germany - the Nazis, who burned villages and shot people - the Nazis. Nobody called for the Nazis, they themselves came to establish a new order, and any criminal rabble, deserters, and of course, dissatisfied with the Soviet regime, began to stick to them. These ki did the dirty work for the Nazis. They didn’t follow all over Europe, they remember them everywhere and your URA belongs to the same bastard. And what do you think at whose expense they fed? What are the Nazis, or something they were fed! It is clear that at the expense of his own people.
          2. Aleksys2
            Aleksys2 19 August 2013 23: 37 New
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            Quote: volynyaka
            Another small remark to the particularly indignant and overly emotional - guys, all Soviet films about the UPA with their mountains, forests and vuiks are nonsense! The main events took place on the territory of the Rivne and Volyn regions, i.e. in Volhynia and Polissya, the events in Galychin were "more modest".

            In the spring of 1943 of the year, the Volyn regional wire of the OUN (b) decided to expel local Poles from Volyn.
            In the course of the study “Map” conducted in Poland, it was found that as a result of the UPA-OUN (B) and Security Council of the OUN (b), in which part of the local Ukrainian population and sometimes detachments of Ukrainian nationalists of other movements took part, the number of Poles killed in Volyn amounted to at least 36 543 - 36 750 people whose names and places of death were established. In addition, the same study counted from 13 500 to more than 23 000 Poles, the circumstances of whose death have not been clarified.
            A number of researchers say that the victims of the massacre were probably about 50-60 thousand Poles, during the discussion about the number of victims from the Polish side, estimates were given from 30 to 80 thousand.
            In Ukraine, such calculations were not carried out, the number of deaths from the Ukrainian side is estimated at several thousand people, while some historians write about the total number of Ukrainians killed from 2 to 3 thousands, others that in 1943-1944 years directly from actions subordinate to the Home Army Polish armed groups killed at least 2000 civilian Ukrainians.
            These are the events that took place in Volyn.
            1. bagpipe
              bagpipe 20 August 2013 00: 24 New
              +1
              Aleksys2 , yes, and such events took place took place in Volyn. Only, probably, in the number of victims of inaccuracy. It is believed that Ukrainians died 25-30% less than Poles.
              Accumulated at that time on both sides.
              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Пацификация_украинцев_в_Восточной_Малопольше_(1930)
              - Wikipedia as a whole is less or less close to pacification, and it also had http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration camp_ in_Bereze-Kartuzskaya and many more different insults ...
      2. kaptri
        kaptri 19 August 2013 10: 25 New
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        Watching what books about what history of which country you read. In my books, Kovpak is a hero. And I’m not going to doubt it. And the stuffing of the brainworms of idiots who were Komsomol members and Communists, and then suddenly became patriots of the lands stolen from the people of the USSR, boasting that they studied at schools in twenties, do not deserve attention. Life is short in order to spend it on any Bandera nonsense.
        1. Simon
          Simon 19 August 2013 12: 49 New
          +3
          They would have taken Kovpak into heroes than to honor Hitler lackeys.
      3. Corsair
        Corsair 19 August 2013 11: 19 New
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        Quote: rezerv
        It was a sabotage detachment (commando in modern terminology) of the regular Red Army. They simply robbed the local population and raped themselves with free vodka.


        With people like you, it makes no sense to "almond" fool
        I want to ask: "Whose will you be,"P rezerv"?
      4. Flooding
        Flooding 19 August 2013 11: 31 New
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        Quote: rezerv
        Therefore, Zapadentsev and do not experience rainbow feelings in relation to Kovpak.

        Thank God Zapadentsy is not the whole Ukrainian people, but only a small part of it.
        Quote: rezerv
        By the way, there were few partisan detachments in Ukraine.

        I don’t know what you will be and where you come from, but there, where my mother came from in Sumy region, partisan and beat fascist trash as best they could. And my great-grandfather and his son partisan.
        I can only sympathize with you.
        1. Simon
          Simon 19 August 2013 13: 02 New
          +2
          Friends, but Westerners all look at Europe and show them, oh look how we do not love her, and there they look at them like idiots, Germany has long apologized for Hitler. I also want to tell the Westerners, do not spit in the well from which you have to get drunk, you may still have to turn to Russia several times.
        2. igor67
          igor67 19 August 2013 13: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Flood
          Quote: rezerv
          Therefore, Zapadentsev and do not experience rainbow feelings in relation to Kovpak.

          Thank God Zapadentsy is not the whole Ukrainian people, but only a small part of it.
          Quote: rezerv
          By the way, there were few partisan detachments in Ukraine.

          I don’t know what you will be and where you come from, but there, where my mother came from in Sumy region, partisan and beat fascist trash as best they could. And my great-grandfather and his son partisan.
          I can only sympathize with you.

          Well, I, too, from Sumy region and Spashchansky forest were 50 km from us, the Partisan movement helped a lot in defeating the Nazis, but the fact that Kovpakovtsev really didn’t like it, and there is no need to argue, because of the lack of food, almost all the supplies were taken from the local population, Sidor Artemych wasn’t such a good grandfather, my grandfather on the Ukrainian side went through the whole war a scout, twice wounded, after the war there was a collective farm chairman, if you remember what hunger in 46-47 naturally gave people a little more grain, the total term, the answer Kovpak's letter was: you will be the layers of budemo dawata! Yanukovych steps on the same rake as Yushchenko, in his policy opposing Russia, relies on the former SS, simply,
          1. FREGATENKAPITAN
            FREGATENKAPITAN 19 August 2013 13: 16 New
            +3
            The last piece was given to the front not only in Z. Ukraine ........ about the besieged Peter, I think you can not even mention where the workers (and most of them women, invalids, old people and children) gave their rations to soldiers on Nevsky Piglet , in Sinyavinsky swamps (where my grandfather was seriously injured) ........ and so it was all over the country .... but this did not stop the people from loving their army-liberator and the language did not turn to call it marauding, etc. .P.
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 19 August 2013 14: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: igor67
            the fact that Kovpakovtsev wasn’t loved really was, and there is no need to argue

            sorry I can not ask my late grandfathers. And to believe you why?
            Quote: igor67
            if you remember what hunger was in 46-47 years

            In 1947, my great-grandfather died of starvation here in Moldova.
            But my great-grandmother never told me that the Soviets took everything away.
            And this has nothing to do with the partisans.
            Does the case you described, if any, characterize Kovpak as a person? Honestly, I don’t know. Times were hard, post-war ...
          3. Lopatov
            Lopatov 19 August 2013 16: 42 New
            -1
            Not for that they were not loved.

            They went on raids, upon their return to the "partisan land" the entire supply system from the "mainland" was switched to them (they even transferred artillery weapons to them with aviation), everyone began to work to renew their resources, they restored their numbers at the expense of the partisans " stationary detachments ", during punitive expeditions they simply left, leaving the burden of problems on the" hospitals "... In short, there were a lot of reasons for dissatisfaction.
        3. revnagan
          revnagan 19 August 2013 14: 58 New
          +5
          Quote: Flood
          Thank God Zapadentsy is not the whole Ukrainian people, but only a small part of it.

          Well, why do you offend the Ukrainian people, classifying Zapadents among them? Wuyks aren’t even Slavs. They just mimic Ukrainians so that later they parasitize at the expense of the people. And to successfully carry out their plan, they stupidly hammer their version of the history of Ukraine. And, it’s necessary say, in many respects already (not without the help of the authorities) they have succeeded — they have thoroughly washed the brain of part of the youth.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 19 August 2013 16: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: revnagan
            Well, why do you offend the Ukrainian people, reckoning Westerners among them?

            Dear revnagan, it's not me who offends them.
            They offended themselves by their reluctance to see the truth.
            What am I ... Just trying to be politically correct.
      5. biglow
        biglow 19 August 2013 12: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: rezerv
        "The Carpathian raid was foreseen by the operational plan ... and was approved by I. Stalin ..." Kovpak's unit was not a pure guerrilla unit. It was a sabotage detachment (commando in modern terminology) of the regular Red Army. They simply robbed the local population and raped them after drinking free vodka. Therefore, Westerners do not feel rosy feelings towards Kovpak. By the way, there were few partisan detachments on the territory of Ukraine. All these sad facts are becoming public knowledge only now, after the opening of archives in Ukraine, Russia, Germany (GDR), and the USA. So read books on the history of the country of residence, comrade. VadimSt.

        give links to archived data otherwise it can all be called a lie ...
      6. Simon
        Simon 19 August 2013 12: 45 New
        +2
        I wonder which "historian" wrote the falsification in the books? What historical data. So lay out this historical data to us, and you can remove anything from the ceiling. Fact, facts! stop
      7. stroporez
        stroporez 19 August 2013 13: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: rezerv
        they simply plundered and raped with free vodka.
        and than "threw" you ???????? and would like to be more specific for the "facts" ??
      8. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 19 August 2013 13: 09 New
        +5
        Yes ........ and even drunk, they fried babies, danced with bears and sang a hymn? ............ Yes, you’ve already heard all this, it's time to come up with something new .. .................... Yes, you need to read books ....... as I understand it. That you read history books published in the USA, Germany and .. .td
      9. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 19 August 2013 13: 24 New
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        What story? Nonsense about two hundred million Ukrainians shot by "sworn moskaljami" or a fairy tale about unfortunate Ukrainians with bricks in their hands specially thrown across the Dnieper onto German machine guns so that more of them would die there? Or about the mythical order on the eviction of all Ukrainians by punitive divisions of the NKVD (yes, yes, in the "order" this is exactly how the punitive divisions of the NKVD are written), signed by Stalin and Zhukov? Or the one that the OUN-UPA won the war, though fighting with German weapons and in German uniform, under the leadership of the Knight of the Two Iron Crosses SS Hauptsturmführer Schlukhevych? In order to better understand who is who, read the memoirs of a certain Otto Skorzeny (I hope this surname tells you something), as he deduced Bandera from Krakow on the PERSONAL order of Hitler. Moreover, Skorzeny wrote these memoirs not on the virgin soil of Vorkuta, which he deserved, but in sunny Spain, that is, “bloody Stalin” could not reach him. Just do not forget that your “Heroes” were destroyed like mad dogs by the Ukrainians themselves, Konovalets the Ukrainian Sudoplatov , having treated a box of very "tasty" sweets, and the so-called. "Commander-in-Chief of the UPA" Shlyukhevych, MGB Sergeant Polishchuk (the name speaks for itself). Inexpensively the head of this rabid PSA (no offense to the dogs) was estimated at only a thousand rubles. But, where they remember their history, there are completely different monuments, and they remember how these inhumans killed young Ukrainian teachers and doctors from the East, who came to teach and treat children after the war. Minus. With disrespect!
        1. armandos
          armandos 19 August 2013 14: 59 New
          +8
          Comrade Kuznetsov accidentally blundered. Sorry! You are absolutely right, Skorzeny described everything perfectly. OUN-UPA is unfinished fascists. Ukraine needs to recognize this nasty part of its history. I reason like this, wearing a fascist uniform, responsible for concentration camps, for the destruction of civilians. I don’t remember exactly what the name of one slut was. There was such a machine gunner who brutalized the creature, who shot dozens of children, women and old people in dozens. Unfortunately, I don’t remember what the name of this sketch was. And her, perhaps trying to understand and forgive?
          I was in Lviv on business, there really feels a semi-fascist attitude towards the Russians and the heroes of the war. Yanukovych grows a ball of snakes at his side!
          1. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 19 August 2013 15: 42 New
            +7
            Apologies accepted, dear armandos. Her name was the slut "Tonka the machine-gunner" Makarova, Antonina Makarovna the executioner of the Lokotsky district during the Great Patriotic War, who shot in the service of the German occupation authorities and Russian collaborators Kaminsky (another scum that "unfolded" during the Warsaw Uprising, which even saw types of SS Bach-Zalewski, after which the Germans themselves shot him, despite his rank of SS Brigadefuehrer) more than 1500 people. She was arrested in the summer of 1978 in Lepel (Byelorussian SSR), convicted as a war criminal, and by the verdict of the Bryansk Regional Court of November 20, 1978, she was sentenced to capital punishment - the death penalty. Dog-dog and death! Plus from me. Yours faithfully! hi
            Here is her picture:
            1. armandos
              armandos 19 August 2013 16: 58 New
              -1
              Exactly! It would be nice to throw this abomination from a parachute somewhere in a remote village. Uhhh-xh, young fattened lamb and koumiss, boys hungry for a female body would come off. Yes, probably a couple of elders would remember youth!
      10. Sashko07
        Sashko07 19 August 2013 14: 36 New
        +9
        Quote: rezerv
        By the way, there were few partisan detachments in Ukraine

        SchA blurted out such garbage - at least stand at least fall. The partisan movement just in Ukraine and Belarus was the largest. And if it weren’t for this movement, the hell would the fascists win.
        1. armandos
          armandos 19 August 2013 15: 01 New
          +2
          You can’t argue with that!
      11. PSih2097
        PSih2097 19 August 2013 15: 39 New
        +4
        Quote: rezerv
        So read books on the history of the country of residence, comrade VadimSt.

        are you serious? What textbooks did you study by yourself? and what history books have you read? I personally do not need to read, my grandparents are still alive, so they told me what was going on there, and it was about the local population, about which they were "raped" ...
        just about this:

        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 19 August 2013 16: 05 New
          +3
          Quote: rezerv
          So read books on the history of the country of residence, comrade VadimSt.

          Are your highs taken from here?
          http://leg0ner.livejournal.com/150559.html
      12. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 19 August 2013 15: 51 New
        +4
        You are carrying heresy; not all zapadentsy were ready to lick the boots for the Germans. And the Americans will tell you a dirty story, they found someone to read.
      13. Lopatov
        Lopatov 19 August 2013 16: 33 New
        +1
        It was a raid partisan detachment. Traditionally Russian, remember Denis Davydov.
        Read the copy of Vershigora, he describes everything there quite easily. He writes both about raiding actions and about an analogue of the Spanish "guerrilla" that took place in the forests of Belarus.
        They simply did not have time to plunder the local population. And the Westerners do not like them for a very simple reason - at first their "heroes" had to hide from the Kovpak detachment, and after the end of the raid they simply killed the retreating groups, doing what they could not, or did not want to do, by the German rangers transferred from Norway.
      14. bistrov.
        bistrov. 19 August 2013 17: 32 New
        +4
        That you must have drunk the Ukrainian gorilka and weave what. Which commando? The composition of the units of the Kovpak compound is known from archival documents, they never robbed the local population, but with the total destruction of the Poles by Bandera in Volyn during the Carpathian raid, they were revolted. UPA-that's who killed, robbed, raped. Do not shift from a sick head to a healthy one. And I want to say to the author: it is never impossible to reconcile a communist and Bandera. And such compromisers as you are much worse than Bandera’s, from those you even know what to expect, so you just need to destroy them. And from people like you always expect something incomprehensible, either a shot in the back, or betrayal.
      15. VadimSt
        VadimSt 19 August 2013 20: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: rezerv
        So read books on the history of the country of residence, comrade VadimSt.


        I studied history, not from books published by experts from Canada and the United States, but from the recollections of my grandfathers and those who defended my country from Nazi dishonesty and their lackeys!
        Fascism was defeated, but both of them, in Ukraine, were not extinct!
    2. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 19 August 2013 09: 54 New
      +6
      Citizen Bandyukovich and his criminal kagal cowardly tuck their tail at the antics of outspoken Nazis (not nationalists) and geeks of Nazi accomplices, in fear that their project to divide the people of Ukraine with Tyagnibok's "Pull to the side" project failed and got out of control. Only federalization will save. Personally, we will be comfortable in Novorossiya without Bandera from the west and bandits from the east. Let's remember Porto Franco and we will develop the region as in the good times of Catherine the Great, when Odessa was in a short time. from the Khadzhibey fortress, became the fourth city in the Russian Empire after St. Petersburg, Moscow, Kiev and Warsaw.
    3. Algor73
      Algor73 19 August 2013 10: 39 New
      +7
      You need to be a patriot, and not smoke quietly on the sidelines, they say, "my house is on the edge." You need to fight, do something, resist, prove. Ukraine is not half-hearted. There are just half-hearted people who divide Ukraine. Even with such vandal methods. Only the truth is in one thing - the authorities have turned themselves over. While the people are shy, they steal their fortunes.
    4. michajlo
      michajlo 19 August 2013 13: 13 New
      +3
      Dear Vadim! Excuse me if I call you wrong.

      Regarding PATRIOTISM, let me disagree with you.
      Each of us is decent people - in my opinion, this is a PATRIOT of his country, not a patriot of the current Kiev political elite, not a patriot of heroes destroying monuments who cannot give change, and many others.

      The fact that today my dear Ukraine is led astray, and its authorities are leading "along the course of the Titanic," is a fact, not a reason to stop being a PATRIOT.
      Authorities are changing, politicians come and go, but the PEOPLE remain. And in any nation, besides worthy sons, there will be scum and betrayers, or as in the usual questions, youth stupefied by the juices of SKIDNESS AND EXCLUSIVITY of Western Ukraine ...
      In addition, young people in Western Ukraine are still fed stories and fiction, BATTLE for the minds of young people goes to the FULL COIL.

      Understand what I'm talking about.

      Any man or PATRIOT with all the ensuing obligations, or FIRST. which, like a weather vane, turns behind the wind, and to which no one BELIEVES.

      Excuse me if my statements seemed harsh to you, but that’s how I think and speak.
      And questions of patriotism, respect for the dead - they are important and show the essence of PEOPLE or "PEOPLE".
    5. viktorR
      viktorR 19 August 2013 13: 52 New
      +3
      Absolutely agree with you.
      I just want to add, the author at the end of the article says that it may be worth coexisting peacefully with Bandera and their history, I can’t agree with this, we always pity our enemies, and then after 70 years they destroy the monuments of those who defeated them and regretted after contractions.
      Destroying monuments, it’s certainly not as difficult as converging for your homeland, but if it comes to war, you can’t spare these scumbags (may Bandera’s apologists forgive me for insulting their address, but I can’t call them differently) and finish it off to the last not enough that no one would stick a knife in our back. All the same, Comrade Stalin was too kind, too ...
    6. ildar335
      ildar335 19 August 2013 14: 12 New
      +3
      Vadim, handsome! why don’t you get together and give trendy to these undercut Bandera? You must burn the infection with a hot iron !!! am
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 19 August 2013 19: 08 New
        +2
        Their local authority supports. Planted under a far-fetched pretext.
    7. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 19 August 2013 14: 49 New
      +2
      The president spoke well of the traitors.
      Simply. Clear. It is intelligible ...
      Everyone who needs to understand the meaning of what was said.
      [media = http: //www.helpx.net/hostlist.asp? host_region = 323 & host_category = & network =
      3 & order = & pic = & vid = & rev = & new =]
    8. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 19 August 2013 14: 49 New
      +4
      The president spoke well of the traitors.
      Simply. Clear. It is intelligible ...
      Everyone who needs to understand the meaning of what was said.
    9. kosmos44
      kosmos44 19 August 2013 16: 15 New
      0
      They need to stick this "trident" into one known place.
  2. omsbon
    omsbon 19 August 2013 08: 10 New
    21
    Name S.A. Kovpak is a legend, it’s forever, and a nationalistic husk like tyagnipuk is dust that will scatter without a trace! So it was already and it will be so!
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 19 August 2013 13: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: omsbon
      Name S.A. Kovpak is a legend, it is forever


      A.F. Fedorov, S.A. Kovpak, T.A. Strokach at the celebration of the 40 anniversary of the Ukrainian SSR. Khreschatyk.

      Clickable Image:
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 19 August 2013 19: 11 New
        +1
        UUUUHHHHHH these are Men, the people become smaller, smaller.
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 19 August 2013 21: 51 New
        -1
        [quote = Corsair] [quote = omsbon] Name S.A. Kovpak is a legend, it is forever [/ quote]
        I accidentally found out that Kovpak was the district commissar of Genichesk, Kherson region.
        After all, there are continuous steppes, where does such experience in raids in the forest come from?
      3. APASUS
        APASUS 19 August 2013 21: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Corsair
        A.F. Fedorov, S.A. Kovpak, T.A. Strokach at the celebration of the 40 anniversary of the Ukrainian SSR. Khreschatyk.

        I accidentally found out that Kovpak was the district commissar of Genichesk, Kherson region.
        After all, there are continuous steppes, where does such experience in raids in the forest come from?
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 19 August 2013 23: 42 New
          0
          Quote: APASUS
          I accidentally found out that Kovpak was the district commissar of Genichesk, Kherson region.
          After all, there are continuous steppes, where does such experience in raids in the forest come from?


          Misconception about the life and work of S.A. Kovpak

          Before WWII:

          Member of the First World War (served in the 186-m Infantry Regiment of Aslandus) and the Civil War. During the First World War, he fought on the South-Western Front, a participant in the Brusilovsky Breakthrough. In April, 1915, as part of the guard of honor, was personally awarded by the Nicholas II George Cross. In total, he was awarded the St. George Crosses of the III and IV degrees and the medals “For Courage” (“St. George's” medals) of the III and IV degrees.

          Member of the RCP (b) since 1919 year. During the Civil War, he led a local partisan detachment that fought with the German invaders in Ukraine along with the units of A. Ya. Parkhomenko, then was a fighter of the 25 Chapaev division on the Eastern Front, where he disarmed Cossacks, participated in battles with the armies of Generals A. I. Denikin and Wrangel on the Southern Front.

          In 1921 — 1926 years - assistant to the district military commissar, district military commissar, military commissar of the Pavlograd district of the Ekaterinoslav province (Dnepropetrovsk region of Ukraine since 1926 of the year). At the same time, 1925 — 1926 is the chairman of the agricultural cooperative in the village of Verbki. From the 1926 of the year - the director of the Pavlograd Military Cooperative Economy, then - the chairman of the agricultural cooperative in Putivl, with 1935 - the head of the road department of the Putivl District Executive Committee, with 1937 - the chairman of the Putivl City Executive Committee of the Sumy Region of the Ukrainian SSR.

          In the Second World War and after:

          One of the organizers of the partisan movement in Ukraine is the commander of the Putivl partisan detachment, and then the uniting of partisan detachments in the Sumy region.

          In 1941-1942, Kovpak’s unification carried out raids behind enemy lines in Sumy, Kursk, Oryol and Bryansk regions, in 1942-1943 years raids from Bryansk forests to Right-Bank Ukraine in Gomel, Pinsk, Volyn, Rivne, Kiev and Zhytomyr regions; in 1943 year - Carpathian raid. The Sumy partisan unit under the command of Kovpak marched more than 10 thousand kilometers with battles in the rear of the Nazi forces, defeated the enemy garrisons in 39 settlements.

          On August 31 of 1942 of the year, Stalin and Voroshilov personally accepted in Moscow, where the Kovpak partisan formation was tasked with raiding the Dnieper in order to expand the partisan struggle in Right-Bank Ukraine.

          In April 1943, S. A. Kovpak was awarded the military rank of Major General.
          From the 1944 of the year S. A. Kovpak was a member of the Supreme Court of the Ukrainian SSR, from the 1947 of the year he was the Deputy Chairman of the Presidium, and from the 1967 of the year he was a member of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Ukrainian SSR. Member of the USSR Armed Forces of the 2-7 convocations.

          Died 11 December 1967 year. He was buried in Kiev at the Baykovsky cemetery.

          TO, SA Kovpak was not a "district commissar" of the aforementioned city and could not be one.

          But in his honor in 1971 the ship "Sidor Kovpak" was built in Kherson
          Project: 1563, 1563А, type Slavyansk
          Place of construction: Kherson Shipyard · Kherson
          Built by: 06.1971
          Charged: 12.1998
          Port of registry: Novorossiysk
          Register No: 710136 (RMRS)
          Current status: disposed of
          Pledged 01.03.1971
          Delivered to 09.06.1971 g. (Responsible transmitter G. Kosarevich)
          Gross Tonnage: 9173 T
          Deadweight: 13738 t
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 20 August 2013 07: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: Corsair
            TO, SA Kovpak was not a "district commissar" of the aforementioned city and could not be one.

            Take my word for it. I didn’t think of taking a picture. I arrived from Genichesk 5 days ago. I saw an honorary board at the local military registration and enlistment office.
            I think there is an official version of the biography where the meaning is not given importance, why not?
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 20 August 2013 08: 06 New
              0
              Quote: APASUS
              I saw the honorary board at the local military registration and enlistment office.

              "I sprinkle ashes on my head", summed up incomplete information from Wikipedia sad

              But you must agree that "Grandfather" had "combat experience", there was also THAT!

              http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=1192
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 20 August 2013 21: 31 New
                +1
                Quote: Corsair
                "I sprinkle ashes on my head," summed up incomplete information from Wikipedia

                I'm glad that we figured it out, otherwise I would have found a way to photograph this board. It hurts you to make me laugh
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 22 August 2013 00: 17 New
                  0
                  Quote: APASUS
                  I'm glad that we figured it out, otherwise I would have found a way to photograph this board. It hurts you to make me laugh


                  Not worth it, I myself "drive a sparrow in the field" for the sake of truth ... soldier
  3. Constantine
    Constantine 19 August 2013 08: 14 New
    11
    I read and I'm terribly upset. It's a shame that a jar of jam and a basket of cookies allowed a situation where a brother is no longer a brother, his own not his own. They didn’t read Taras Bulba, and even if they did, between the lines, even if the famous work about the Cossacks so dearly loved by them, taught them nothing. recourse
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 19 August 2013 19: 15 New
      +3
      They (Zapadentsi) historically have always been against Russia, it so happened that they constantly lay under one or the other, and as a result became representatives of an easy profession at the genetic level, we just say that their last client, and they always say bad things about the old to the new supposedly he beat, did not pay, made things obscene to do, but I myself am clean and do it only so as not to die of hunger. A very similar situation with pshek.
  4. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 19 August 2013 08: 59 New
    +5
    Insanity grew stronger ... What kind of mania - to fight with monuments? We kind of won back, so they started in Ukraine. The barbarism is utter.
    I am glad that we have monuments in the city. And Lenin and Sverdlov and Kirov and the monument to Malyshev were not allowed to be demolished, when in its place the priests demanded the restoration of some kind of bell tower. Moved to the other side of the street and erected a monument there. Let us hope that the neighbors will soon have a sense of reason at least partially.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 19 August 2013 09: 10 New
      23
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      Let us hope that the neighbors will soon have a sense of reason at least partially.

      In this case, they will not come to their senses! These are Western "lads", whose grandfathers still remember as the S.А. Kovpaka chased them into the tail and into the mane as Nazi henchmen. Sidor Artemyevich looks threateningly even from the memorial plaque! The heirs of the Banderaites are getting scared! Well, how the lads will gather again in the Ichnya forest and go to smash all these fascist boys, like their grandfathers-grandmothers that Kovpak had in the partisans! Yes, a new Carpathian raid will be carried out! SCARY!!!! So they are smashing Soviet monuments!
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 19 August 2013 09: 28 New
        +8
        I hope that PEOPLE and these "lads" will come to their senses, at least quietly, without noise and dust, to start harassing them with strong drums. This is often more effective than legal prosecution. Hello to you. hi
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 19 August 2013 11: 35 New
          +3
          Quote: Stroibat stock
          I hope that PEOPLE and these "lads" will come to their senses, at least quietly, without noise and dust, to start harassing them with strong drums.

          Yes, we would gladly put the brains of the Bendershtatists in the right place, only our "beloved" government will immediately spot the corpus delicti or submit such actions as a trick of mentally unbalanced citizens. The power closes them for Western money. It is very difficult for ordinary adequate citizens to resist the UPAR organized on Western handouts and "for Western handouts to the authorities. Although, judging by the cleansing measures with idols to Bandera and Shukhevych, there is still some kind of resistance movement. Well done guys.
      2. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 19 August 2013 13: 23 New
        +7
        He will always remember the feat of grandfathers and great-grandfathers. He will be proud of them and defend their honor in front of the pallets defiling the graves.
  5. yan
    yan 19 August 2013 09: 00 New
    +3
    It’s a pity for Ukraine, a pity for fooled people, and the authorities that allow vandalism deserve nothing but contempt
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 19 August 2013 09: 13 New
      +7
      Quote: yan
      and power that allows vandalism deserves nothing but contempt

      But what power ?! But what power ?! request The authorities at the state level celebrate the anniversary of partisan glory and, in particular, commemorates S.A. Kovpak and his partisans .... repeat only here zapadentsy we have long turned into a separate state! they do not care about the laws of Ukraine. They live in their own way. am
      1. yan
        yan 19 August 2013 09: 55 New
        +3
        so the power that allows the emergence of de facto separatist states deserves something more than contempt?
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 19 August 2013 11: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        The authorities at the state level celebrate the anniversary of partisan glory and, in particular, commemorates S.A. Kovpak and his partisans ....

        The authorities are more likely to perform the burdensome and not convenient for themselves, in the current situation of political forces ceremonial.
        On the one hand, she supposedly honors the memory of those who won the Second World War and, on the other hand, turning a blind eye to prosperity, I’m not afraid to use this word (who can deny) Fascism.
      3. PSih2097
        PSih2097 19 August 2013 16: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        feel only here zapadentsy we have long turned into a separate state! they do not care about the laws of Ukraine. They live in their own way. am

        It’s time for them to be transported to another state - patience - POLAND, where they will be loved, loved and hanged ...
    2. Simon
      Simon 19 August 2013 13: 09 New
      +2
      Under the truth, Westerners inject "misinformation", and they swallow it with joy.
  6. VadimSt
    VadimSt 19 August 2013 09: 05 New
    +6
    Quote: Constantine
    even the famous work about the Cossacks so beloved by them, taught them nothing.

    Where in the Western Ukraine KAZAKI? Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, only campaigning on them, but on the Tatars and went.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 19 August 2013 16: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: VadimSt
      Where in the Western Ukraine KAZAKI? Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, only campaigning on them, but on the Tatars and went.

      how did it come from, after all, Ukraine is the birthplace of the Cossacks, and they began to say it without knowing the essence of the term (concept) Cossack (Kozak is Ukrainian.)
  7. RussianRu
    RussianRu 19 August 2013 09: 08 New
    +9
    Why are they struggling with monuments, because the monuments cannot give change. Fighting monuments and distorting history is the destiny of notorious losers.
  8. Knowing
    Knowing 19 August 2013 09: 16 New
    -22
    Do you know why they do it? Because in the thirties the USSR government planned the Holodomor in Ukraine - millions of Ukrainians died. and now they hate everything connected with the USSR

    therefore, there are many National Socialists and other people.
    1. slas
      slas 19 August 2013 09: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Knowing
      Do you know why they do it? Because in the thirties the USSR government planned the Holodomor in Ukraine - millions of Ukrainians died. and now they hate everything connected with the USSR

      I also know, because there are many who know and not from those sources
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 19 August 2013 09: 58 New
        12
        Knowing!
        And how could the zapodents have experienced the Holodomor, if at that time they were under the banners of Poland, Hungary and Romania.
    2. Estray_
      Estray_ 19 August 2013 10: 17 New
      +5
      If we take Western Ukraine, then Stalin could not have made a physical famine there.
    3. RussianRu
      RussianRu 19 August 2013 11: 23 New
      +3
      Knowing. It's time for you to call yourself unknowing or unknowing.
      1. Knowing
        Knowing 19 August 2013 12: 00 New
        -3
        I spoke this with some Ukrainians. they told me.

        read on wikipedia even.

        but personally I don’t really believe in it
        1. Simon
          Simon 19 August 2013 13: 17 New
          +2
          Listen to them more, Westerners row the story for themselves, but facts are needed. fool
    4. Corsair
      Corsair 19 August 2013 12: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: Knowing
      Do you know why they do it? Because in the thirties the USSR government planned the Holodomor in Ukraine - millions of Ukrainians died. and now they hate everything connected with the USSR

      therefore, there are many National Socialists and other people.

      In Western Ukraine until its annexation in 1939 (they could have said "thank you") there were no Russians and Soviet power. So if you were starving, then all the questions are to Poland.
      And hunger in Ukraine and other regions of the USSR is considered by many historians not as unambiguously as you want to imagine ...
    5. Simon
      Simon 19 August 2013 13: 15 New
      +5
      No one planned the Holodomor, and the people in the Volga region suffered the most, and not in Ukraine. Yushchenko presented this misinformation to them, and many swallowed it like a hook, and it looks like "Knowing".
  9. vitek1233
    vitek1233 19 August 2013 09: 32 New
    +8
    All that Zapadents can offer is only Hate. fool
  10. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 19 August 2013 09: 41 New
    +9
    The losers of Nazi collaborators avenge the winners after their death. They are not capable of anything else.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 19 August 2013 11: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: FC Skif
      The losers of Nazi collaborators avenge the winners after their death. They are not capable of anything else.


      A dangerous misconception! National fascism in Ukraine is growing stronger, is fueling in the West ... and God forbid repeating History.
  11. SPBOBL
    SPBOBL 19 August 2013 10: 29 New
    +2
    this is done deliberately ... in order to separate even further, and without this, "distant" for Russia, and for centuries the fraternal people of Ukraine ... to initiate criminal cases on the desecration of burial places ... in gnawing in estonia ... and to make lists, and work specifically on the list ... to organize pressure ... Look in Germany, the Czech Republic, even the Poles honor the monuments of the Second World War! For which I personally only respect!
  12. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 19 August 2013 11: 01 New
    +2
    What does it mean "who was prevented by the monuments to Soviet partisans?", A filthy copy of Nazism, growing up in Ukraine and honoring the OUN covenants, that is, to fight only with children, women and monuments and skidding into the woods when approaching even a hint of the Red Army.
  13. Sineys
    Sineys 19 August 2013 11: 04 New
    -19
    Tired of these stuffing about Ukraine. If only someone would give a hint about the problems with flood elimination in their country and sympathize with people! No, it is necessary to pour out bile about the dismantling of monuments of the Solovetsky era in Ukraine. Well, they removed from the pedestal charmed by pigeons Lenin with his hand outstretched far into the air, destroyed the memorial plaque with Kovpak, renamed the streets and cities - do you care? We ourselves will deal with our priorities and historical heritage.
    1. RussianRu
      RussianRu 19 August 2013 11: 31 New
      +9
      That's just, we ourselves will deal with floods, it does not concern you. But what is happening in Ukraine is very much our concern. Because it is our history and our memory.
      1. Simon
        Simon 19 August 2013 13: 20 New
        +5
        You speak Russian correctly, I support you. good
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 19 August 2013 11: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: Sineys
      We ourselves will deal with our priorities and historical heritage.

      What does it mean, "we ourselves"? And we? We, the citizens of Ukraine, who still remember our ancestors who smashed the Nazis and their Galician accomplices. We still remember who YOU ​​are. And we have not forgotten your "heroes" with their crimes. So , as the ancients said, "retribution is coming !!!"
      1. Simon
        Simon 19 August 2013 13: 21 New
        +3
        And what they can remember from the history of the good, they would exalt the Nazis.
    3. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 19 August 2013 11: 59 New
      +4
      I’m from Komsomolsk-on-Amur and I think we will cope with the flood, and you probably already will not have your problem
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 19 August 2013 21: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: ivshubarin
        and I think we can handle the flood

        hang on guys! Patience to you!
    4. SPBOBL
      SPBOBL 19 August 2013 12: 39 New
      +4
      Monuments of the Second World War, as the Memory of the Brothers who have folded their heads! for the liberation of Slavic lands from fascism, burning the elderly, children in stoves, destroying races, etc. ... belong to our ancestors ... and bile is poured in the west of Ukraine ...
    5. Corsair
      Corsair 19 August 2013 12: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: Sineys
      We ourselves will deal with our priorities and historical heritage.

      "Priority" is visible on the "avatar". And in a shitty "legacy" you want to drown Ukrainians who do not accept your "values" ...
      Flooding is a natural disaster, and the Big Country will cope with it on its own, and Ukraine will probably need help in the fight against the revival of fascism.
    6. smile
      smile 19 August 2013 16: 12 New
      +4
      Sineys
      But nobody attacks Ukraine. We ran into Bandera and their minions, who are renegades of the Ukrainian people and whom the Ukrainians themselves do not consider to be Ukrainians ... so. scum like you and your like-minded upstairs. Please note, a significant part of the indignant comments were written by the Ukrainians themselves. I’m also a quarter Ukrainian ... :)))
      By the way, do you know what your nickname Sineus means? Start laughing - when the Russians invited Rurik, they arrived: Rurik sineus truvor ... "blue yus" is translated from Old Norse - "together with relatives", "tru thief" is translated - "faithful squad" .... :)))) by what nickname you used it is immediately obvious that you are an expert on Russian history ... even more so, a patriot of Russian history is commendable! :))))
  14. Sineys
    Sineys 19 August 2013 11: 40 New
    -11
    Quote: Russian
    That's just, we ourselves will deal with floods, it does not concern you. But what is happening in Ukraine is very much our concern. Because it is our history and our memory.

    Well, in your own nanoi and understand and there is nothing to breed another srach.
    1. dmb
      dmb 19 August 2013 11: 59 New
      +7
      This "woman with a lantern" who came out of need is the symbol of Ukraine?
      1. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 19 August 2013 14: 49 New
        +1
        about avatar sineys
        Quote: dmb
        This "woman with a lantern" who came out of need is the symbol of Ukraine?


        laughing can we "moth" for the next lad?
    2. Hudo
      Hudo 19 August 2013 12: 17 New
      +6
      Quote: Sineys
      there is nothing to breed another srach.



      Excessively talkative loser! You would have calmed down with the distribution of your awkward advice to the right and left. Sort through tin medals from Hitler received by your inglorious inglorious ancestors for the search for edible and alcoholic drinks for their German masters in foreign farmsteads and keep quiet in their proxied Bandera pants.
  15. Sineys
    Sineys 19 August 2013 12: 08 New
    -7
    Quote: dmb
    This "woman with a lantern" who came out of need is the symbol of Ukraine?

    Ek you my avatar then flatters. The original statue of Liberty, if you do not know the Frenchwoman. I like what it symbolizes by itself, but what you see in it is the result of your upbringing and worldview.
    1. dmb
      dmb 19 August 2013 12: 25 New
      +7
      No, it doesn't "flatten" at all. And I also know the "origin" of the statue. That's just the country that she currently symbolizes with the ideals of its author clearly does not fit. It is not for the "greedy" patriots to be carried away by foreignism, but this is evident from the fact that you personally have only Bandera and Shukhevych among the national symbols of freedom.
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 19 August 2013 20: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Sineys
      Ek you my avatar then flatters.

      wave your profile picture on this:
  16. George
    George 19 August 2013 12: 14 New
    +2
    Hello everyone .
    Maybe it’s better to think about how to make the stories of the two opposing sides coexist peacefully? [/

    The position of the author is not entirely clear. In my opinion, he wants to combine the incompatible.
    Or is it a tolerant approach? Leo and the jackal in one place do not get along.
    The trouble is that the followers of Nazism came to power, acts of vandalism like this, cause only a feeling of disgust.
  17. Fin
    Fin 19 August 2013 13: 22 New
    +4
    Freedom leader Oleg Tyagnibok, who called the SS division “Galicia” the greatest spiritual value of Ukrainians

    Well, you can call Hitler a god. At least someone corrects these morons. This is the propaganda of Nazism. What does the Criminal Code say about this?
  18. avia12005
    avia12005 19 August 2013 13: 36 New
    0
    And then the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, along with Lavrov, thrust his own, you know what and where! How can???? Zurabov, are you squeezing ears there or are you stuffing pockets with loot? You are the ambassador !!!!!!!!!! Or who...
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 19 August 2013 13: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: avia12005
      And then the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, along with Lavrov, thrust his own, you know what and where! How can???? Zurabov, are you squeezing ears there or are you stuffing pockets with loot? You are the ambassador !!!!!!!!!! Or who...


      One consul of the Russian Federation in the Crimea (former), somehow take it and tell the Nazis there that they say you are stupid and fascist bastards ... because the former ... request
  19. reserve
    reserve 19 August 2013 13: 41 New
    -11
    Here they demanded facts and sources - take the trouble to read the page "Historical Truth" on the Ukrainian Pravda. There are both facts and sources. This is me for those who stupidly believe the tales that the Soviet government and the communists were happiness for Ukraine and Ukrainians, and not only from the West but also from the East.
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 19 August 2013 13: 47 New
      +7
      The war with Poland for Soviet Russia ended unsuccessfully and the lands "donated" by Petliura under the Riga Peace Treaty remained with Poland. And then the Poles turned around. On all decent buildings and in the Lviv City Garden there were signs "People with dogs and Ukrainians are not allowed to enter", then, by the way, the term "raguli" appeared from the slingshots with which the Poles fenced the city so as not to let the village peasants-Ukrainians into it. A policy of polonization was pursued, veterans of the Polish army - "siege", were settled on the Ukrainian lands, giving them the best lands. However, the "fighters for" independence "were also different, at first they were engaged in terrorism and racketeering, and then they all went to the service of Germany, one by one, proving their loyalty. Their leader, former colonel of the Austro-Hungarian army, Evgen Konovalets, had" amused "the Germans before that the UKRAINIAN Sudoplatov had to treat him with a box of very "tasty" sweets. And then there was another "HERO" of Ukraine Stepan Bandera, famous only for the fact that he loved to strangle cats (yes, to strangle cats, why they hated them so much is not known exactly, but he even wrote about this in his diary), going to the side and terrorist acts. The Germans noted the similar zeal of Banlera and his henchmen and formed two battalions "Nachtigall" in the Abwehr, headed by Stetsko and Shlyukhevich (this German bedding will be discussed later) and “Roland.” Having burst into Lvov together with the Germans on June 30, the Banderaites first of all engaged in the massacre of the Polish intelligentsia, Jews and Ukrainians who sympathized with the Soviet regime,Here is what the Germans themselves wrote about it:
      "They took long daggers in their teeth, rolled up the sleeves of their gymnasts, holding their weapons at the ready. Their appearance was disgusting. Like possessed people, hiccupping loudly, with foam on their lips, with bulging eyes, they rushed through the streets of Lviv. Everyone who fell into their hands, was brutally executed. "

      Photos of this "action" are terrifying even today. However, in today's Ukraine, they are modestly silent about this.
      One of the most terrible photos of Lviv pogroms of 1941
      The victim, apparently, refers to some executioners or a German photographer.
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 19 August 2013 13: 49 New
        +3
        And after this "measure" the "independence" of Ukraine was proclaimed once again. Here is the verbatim act:
        The act of proclamation of the Ukrainian State.

        1. By the will of the Ukrainian people, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, led by Stepan Bandera, proclaims the creation of the Ukrainian State, for which entire generations of the best sons of Ukraine have laid their heads.
        The organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, which, under the leadership of its Creator and Leader Yevgeny Konovalets, has led a stubborn struggle for freedom in the last decades of the bloody Moscow-Bolshevik enslavement, calls on the entire Ukrainian people not to lay down their arms for so long until the Sovereign Ukrainian Power has been created on all Ukrainian lands.
        Sovereign Ukrainian Authority will ensure peace and order for the Ukrainian people, the full development of all its forces and the satisfaction of all its needs.
        2. On the western lands of Ukraine, Ukrainian Authority is created, which will submit to the Ukrainian National Government, which will be created in the capital of Ukraine - Kiev.
        3. The newly created Ukrainian State will work closely with the National Socialist Greater Germany, which, under the leadership of its Leader Adolf Hitler, creates a new order in Europe and in the world and helps the Ukrainian people free themselves from the Moscow occupation.
        The Ukrainian National Revolutionary Army, which is being created on Ukrainian soil, will continue to fight together with the Allied German Army against the Moscow occupation of the Sovereign Council State and the new order around the world.
        Long live the Sovereign Council of the Ukrainian State! Long live the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, Long live the head of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and Ukrainian people Stepan Bandera! Glory to Ukraine!

        Think about these words:
        The newly created Ukrainian State will closely interact with the National Socialist Great Germany, which, under the leadership of its Leader Adolf Hitler, creates a new order in Europe

        And nothing else. However, the Germans did not appreciate such amateur performances, they had their own plans with regard to Ukraine (one "Ost" plan was worth what) and dispersed the so-called. "government". And Bandera was sent to a privileged barrack of the Sachsenhausen concentration camp, where especially important persons were kept. However, according to another version, he was arrested for embezzling money allocated by German intelligence. To be continued...
        1. smiths xnumx
          smiths xnumx 19 August 2013 13: 52 New
          +3
          However, not everyone is so lucky. Bandera's two brothers, who were also sent to concentration camps, were killed by their fellow inmates, the Poles, who learned about the "Volyn massacre". Well, first things first.
          After the proclamation of the "independence" of Ukraine, the Germans decided that they did not need such allies and sent the battalions "Nachtigall" and "Roland" to the front. However, fighting the Red Army is a rather dangerous business, unlike the reprisals against unarmed Jewish and Polish old men, professors, women and children, so the battalions were disbanded as they showed extremely low fighting qualities. However, the Banderaites are idle and they, together with Shukhevych, were sent to fight for "independent" Ukraine in Belarus as part of the 201st security battalion. There they went about their usual business, burning villages, and exterminating unarmed Belarusian women and children, so actively that Shukhevych-Shlyukhevych earned as many as 2 Iron Crosses. However, from time to time the partisans took revenge on the banderlog, about which Shlyukhevych complained to the Uniate Archbishop Sheptytsky, who nursed his "flock".
          On the 30th day of spring, I buried in the grave of twenty twenty most beautiful, found lads from our kuren, with the chantar Kashubinsky Roman on the chol. As a matter of fact, she escorted our wounded from the battlefield until I stood, the partisans hung in the battle to the stump. There is no more bulo [a] munitsia. It is terribly important and painful to bury me. Not such a finale of our zmagan mi ochіkuvali. In addition to further restraint, all those vitriol mental depression is so in the elders, as in the shooters. Not bachimo kіntsya. With birch branches, our voyatskiy shlyakh will come to the rescue, which will be injected into Kiev. Kochuєmo as much on the Bilorusian hopes as it is already wasted, which will bring us more gold-topped [Kiev]; why, perhaps, I will have to put a young corpse on another's land, for someone else's right. I am not fit to come to myself, take in my hands all the quiet burials. Dovgy coffin axis in front of my windows. "


          As follows from this letter, in September 1942, the Belarusian partisans intensified their actions and the noble service of the Nakhtigalev and Roland soldiers ended, while the partisans "carved a platoon of the 1st hundred commanded by Shlyukhevych in the stump". The partisans dealt more and more powerful blows, it was 1943 in the courtyard, the Germans were surrounded and defeated near Stalingrad, the Red Army began to liberate Ukraine and the air smelled of fried, so Shlyukhevych and his associates decided to desert ... They succeeded and they again found themselves on Western Ukraine.
          1. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 19 August 2013 14: 00 New
            +4
            Here they looked around and began to gather around them "comrades-in-arms" who were sitting quietly like mice behind the stove and to form detachments from them, since the battles of 1939 and 1941 there were many weapons left. They called the assembled gang the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA). However, this UPA did not fight the Germans, this is what Hitler's Field Marshal Manstein wrote about its activities in his memoirs "Lost Victories":
            “There were three types of partisans: the Soviet, who fought against the Germans and terrorized the civilian population; the Ukrainians who fought with the Soviet partisans but usually released the Germans, disarming them, and, finally, the gangs of Polish partisans who fought both the Germans and the Ukrainians. ”

            As we can see, Bandera did not fight the Germans in any way. However, in our days, a request from the Bundesarchiv also confirmed the absence of Wehrmacht losses from the Banderlog. So with whom did Bandera fight? There were few Soviet partisans on the territory of Western Ukraine, although raiding operations were carried out by the detachments of Kovpak, Fedorov and Vershigora, but they could give back, which would not seem like little. All Jews were killed in the summer of 1941, the Poles remained, since their policy of "pacification", which I wrote about above, turned the rural population against them. And the "Volyn massacre" began. The number of her victims is still unknown and ranges from 50 to 180 thousand. In fact, it was the most natural ethnic cleansing. Her character can be judged by the fact that Shlyukhevych was presented with 5 severed heads of Poles for his birthday. The details of this massacre, I will omit out of disgust, this is a question of psychiatry and forensics, rather than a military-patriotic site. I will confine myself to this photograph only. Polish children killed by banderlog.
            1. smiths xnumx
              smiths xnumx 19 August 2013 14: 04 New
              +5
              The Germans could not help but appreciate this zeal, and in early March 1943 in the newspapers of the Galicia district the Manifesto for the combat-ready youth of Galicia was published by the governor of the district Otto Wechter, in which the devoted service “for the benefit of the Reich” of Galician Ukrainians and their repeated requests to the Fuhrer for participation in armed struggle, - and the Fuhrer, taking into account all the merits of Galician Ukrainians, allowed the formation of the SS Shooting Range Galicia (German: SS-Schützendivision "Galizien"). The oath was the same as for other volunteer associations:
              “I serve you, Adolf Hitler, as the Führer and Chancellor!”
              There were as many as 80 volunteers, so the Germans selected 000 of the best of them, however, the rest did not remain unclaimed, they were sent to the security battalions and the auxiliary police to fight the partisans. The first divisions of the division that entered the battle with the partisans were units 20, 000 , 4, 5 and 6 SS regiments, operating against partisans in France, Poland, Yugoslavia and Western Ukraine. According to the Institute of History of the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, divisions of the division have been taking part in anti-partisan actions in southeastern Poland since the fall of 7. At the beginning of 8, the 1943th regiment of the division was transferred from France to the General Government (Zbarazh area) to suppress the partisan movement. That is, these "fighters for the freedom of Ukraine" fought for its freedom already in Poland, France and Yugoslavia. However, the Red Army was advancing and the division was sent to the front near Brody, where it was defeated and fled without even removing the locks from the guns. However, not all escaped, and about 1944 scum was wound on the tracks of our tanks, which were controlled by the Ukrainians as well. Only 4 nedobitki came to the Germans. however, the surviving nits massacred the Polish village of Guta-Penyatskaya, killing more than 9000 people. After that, the Germans no longer sent Galician SS men to the front and only used them to fight the partisans in Slovakia and Yugoslavia, where they surrendered to the British and declared themselves Polish citizens in order to avoid extradition. It remains to clarify a rather prosaic question - about the relationship between the SS division " Galicia "and UPA. If you believe the current Svidomo historians, you get the impression that these were separate formations, although not at war with each other, but their own structures, and forms and methods of struggle against a common enemy ("Bolshevik Moscow"). In reality, there was no alienation between them, and this explains the massive transfers of members of the SS Galicia division to the UPA and, on the contrary, the UPA militants to the SS Galicia division. So, from the surviving remnants of the division, after its defeat at Brody in July 500, part of the "divisions" joined the UPA. The top secret directive of the administration of the Galicia district “On deserters and defectors from the SS Volunteer Division“ Galicia ”dated April 800, 1944, says the same. The directive requires the leaders of the UPA gangs to hand over deserters and defectors from the SS Galicia division to the occupation authorities in order to bring them to justice for military crimes committed before the "Reich". In turn, many "Upavtsy" volunteered to join the SS Galicia division, preferring its purely external attributes and not seeing "significant" differences between Bandera and Melnikovites.
              The flag used on April 28, 1943 in Lemberg (Lvov) at the parade celebrating the proclamation of the act of creating the Galicia CC rifle division. Reminds nothing. It looks like this is just the future flag of "non-stale" Ukraine, if Tyagnisrak and his VO "Svolota" come to power
              1. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 19 August 2013 14: 08 New
                +4
                As I wrote above, the Red Army entered the territory of Western Ukraine and here Bandera received weapons from the Germans deployed. the most famous victim was the commander of the 1st Ukrainian Front, Army General Nikolai Fedorovich Vatutin, in the guard of honor at the tomb of whom was my great-grandfather, Ukrainian from Sumy region MANUSHA IVAN DANILOVYCH (eternal memory to you great-grandfather, thank you and low bow for life). In total, in the fight against banderlogs they laid down their heads:
                According to the KGB of the Ukrainian SSR, in 1944 - 1953, the irretrievable losses of the Soviet side in the clashes and from the "gangs" amounted to 30 676 people. Among them are 697 state security officers, 1 864 - Interior Ministry officer, 3 199 military, 2 590 fighter battalion fighters; 2 732 - representatives of the authorities, 251 communist, 207 Komsomol workers, 314 - chairmen of collective farms, 15 355 collective farmers and peasants, 676 workers, 1 931 - representatives of the intelligentsia, 860 - children, old people and housewives.

                Over 1943 - 1956 156 of thousands of members of the bandit underground were destroyed, 103 866 people were arrested on charges of belonging to the OUN and UPA, 87 756 people were convicted, and about 77 thousands "surrendered"


                As we can see, the bulk of the dead are civilians, which perfectly shows who the Banderlog fought against. However, most of them were waiting for such an end as in the photo or went to fertilize the "virgin soil of Vorkuta", unfortunately, as recent events show, not all of them. Comrade Stalin and the NKVD were humanists, but in vain.
                OUN member Ivan Klimchak (aka “Bald”, aka “Pavlyuk”, aka a couple more clicks). Slayer of Polish and Jewish women and children. In 1944 The NKVD conducted a successful operation against the Lysyi gang itself. The Ukrainian Nazi and the murderer were overtaken by a well-deserved bullet. And the body was hung up for public display in Shatsk (Volyn region). This is a posthumous photo. As the saying goes, the dog - dog death:

                Well, now rezerv continue to tell tales about the "heroic" Banderlog. Sala Hero! Death to curds! Minus. And with deep disrespect.
              2. Corsair
                Corsair 19 August 2013 14: 27 New
                +3
                Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                It looks like this is just the future flag of "non-stale" Ukraine, if Tyagnisrak and his VO "Svolota" come to power

                Correct a little (at 180 °)
                Although ... The essence is still unchanged.
        2. reserve
          reserve 19 August 2013 14: 27 New
          -14
          "3. The newly created Ukrainian State will closely interact with the National Socialist Great Germany, which, under the leadership of its Leader Adolf Hitler, creates a new order in Europe and in the world and helps the Ukrainian people free themselves from the Moscow occupation." This is the third point and in the last words the main purpose of the document. When the Ukrainians realized that Hitler was not their assistant, they began to fight on two fronts. You, Comrade KUZNETSOV 1977, read the carefully and thoughtfully quoted documents. Dia, Bandera collaborated with the Germans, but the goal was sacred - the fight against the communists and the Moscow occupation. For this I shut up and leave you alone with your own arrogance. All the best - it is written in Russian (not in Russian, because these are two different phenomena).
          1. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 19 August 2013 14: 53 New
            +6
            Great, that is, Bandera and the Banderlog "fought" with the Germans, German weapons and in German uniform. some, so wonderful "fought" that they received from the Germans AZH TWO Iron Crosses, like Shlyukhevych. So, can you explain to us with what joy Otto Skorzeny, who "fought" with the Germans, was taken out of Krakow by PERSONAL instructions of Hitler. At the same time, tell us how they fought on the territory of Belarus, Slovakia, Yugoslavia, France, in the ranks of the Wehrmacht police and the SS.
            Well, now comment on this fact, I already referred to Field Marshal Manstein:
            Thank you for contacting the Military History Research Institute in Potsdam.
            Our institution is mainly engaged in a thorough study of the military history of the 20th century. We have our own extensive library, consisting of publications from various eras, but the original documents are not at our disposal. We searched for information in the literature at our disposal, but, unfortunately, we did not find any information about the losses of the Wehrmacht from the national-Ukrainian organizations of Bandera and OUN-UPA.
            Sincerely, Dr. Krauss, Captain of the Second Rank and Head of Division. ”

            http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/events/461883

            What kind of struggle is this about which the Germans themselves do not know? Well, your words:
            Quote: rezerv
            Uncle, Bandera collaborated with the Germans, but the goal was holy - the struggle against the Communists and the Moscow occupation.

            I can’t call it otherwise than Svidomism of the brain. Only the stupid person or the provocateur can put the USSR and Hitler Germany on the same board.
            Here's how Bandera fought with the Germans: a banderlog in the rank of corporal from the 201st security battalion, where Shlyukhevich commanded a company
            With deepest disrespect!
            1. Rider
              Rider 19 August 2013 18: 23 New
              +2
              Bravo Roman !!!

              I am delighted with your knowledge and style of presentation!

              sincerely shake my hand.

              With deep respect. hi
          2. revnagan
            revnagan 19 August 2013 15: 34 New
            +5
            Quote: rezerv
            Uncle, Bandera collaborated with the Germans, but the goal was holy - the struggle against the Communists and the Moscow occupation.

            In a word, like farting near the water.
          3. Aleksys2
            Aleksys2 20 August 2013 00: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: rezerv
            When the Ukrainians realized that Hitler was not their assistant, they began to fight on two fronts.

            On the night of 22 on 23 of April 1943 of the year (on the eve of Easter), detachments of the 1th UPA Group under the command of I. Litvinchuk ("Dubovoy") entered the village. Yanova Valley and began to set fire to all buildings. Some of the inhabitants died in the fire, those who tried to get out were killed.
            The German garrison stationed in the village - a company of Lithuanian auxiliary police under the German command - was in the village during the attack, but did not leave its location. Nationalists did not attack the garrison. The police did not try to oppose the nationalists, and opened fire only when the nationalists approached his location.
            The losses of the UPA (according to their own calculations) amounted to 4 killed and 3 wounded.
            By morning, having destroyed the buildings and taking part of the property of the killed Poles, the nationalist detachments left the scene.
            As a result of the action, from 500 to 800 people died, including women and children. Many were burned alive. In the report of USPD to the head of the Communist Party (b), N. Khrushchev was given a figure in 600 of the dead.
            The village was completely burned and not restored.
            In May 1943, the OUN (b) propaganda service prepared a "report on the actions of the rebel forces in Volyn and in Polesie in March-April 1943." In it, the destruction of the civilian population was presented in the following form:
            “On the territory of the basalt mines in the Ivanovo Valley near Kostopol, great battles took place. In battles, German fortified German points were taken. Enemy forces were ambushed, and all were completely destroyed. 100 Germans and 2000 Poles were killed by the enemy. Rich production fell into the hands of the UPA unit. ... From the UPA - 5 killed and 7 wounded.
            Other battles were fewer, but there were many. There were no lost battles. ”
    2. Hudo
      Hudo 19 August 2013 13: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: rezerv
      zerv (1) UA Today, 13:41 PM New

      They demanded facts and sources - bother reading on the Ukrainian truth


      Hmm, Closetenfuehrer !!! Well, you have sources! Isn't this the false rag "Ukrainian truth", which is popularly called either "ghoul truth" or by the name of the local editorial Goebbels "toilet bowls", in which any commentator who expressed an alternative point of view is banned on the IP forever after the very first comment ?
  20. Snoop
    Snoop 19 August 2013 14: 34 New
    +3
    Historical background: Jürgen Strop, SS gruppenführer, police lieutenant general, SS troops lieutenant general. In general, this person made a good career in the Third Reich. He personally participated in punitive operations, including in the occupied territories of the Soviet Union. For his "exploits" he was hanged on March 6, 1952 in Warsaw. How remarkable is this figure you ask? And here we will talk about a different kind of genocide - genocide by installments.
    This is discussed in the book "Conversations with the executioner" by the Polish writer Kazimierz Mocharsky. The writer and journalist once found himself in the same prison cell on death row with Stroop. Here are the revelations of the Nazi general from the book:
    After some time, when we discussed on other topics, I learned about the Stroop method of genocide by installments. Namely, we talked about drug addiction and alcoholism. Strop, as I mentioned, was a supporter of moderate consumption of spirits, he also had his own view on the use of wine by different peoples. About the French, he said that this is a country of "wine alcoholics" who suffer from a national ailment - cirrhosis of the liver. Anglo-Saxons, in his opinion, constantly whisk whiskey. “Churchill has always been under gas. Poles, Russians, Ukrainians and Scandinavians are consumers of vodka. ” - And why don't the Ukrainians give vodka plenty, since they cannot live without it? He said once. - In addition, they need to be allowed to sing: here they are really masters. And if vodka, high-grade vodka was worth a penny and sold at every step, Ukrainians would only thank us for the accessibility of this kind of pleasure. ”
    Mocharsky further concludes: "The plan, Shtroop was to drink the Ukrainian people (and other peoples of the Soviet Union), bringing it within two or three generations to degradation." At the same time, the speech also touched on the culture of the Ukrainian people. The German was forced to admit that in every house the Slavs have their own personal library, thanks to the massive and cheap Soviet edition of books and periodicals. This concluded the "thinker" in the future will be a source of dissent and patriotism. He thought this problem could be solved by creating stores with cheap vodka, but the sale of which would be carried out by exchanging vodka for books, newspapers and magazines left over from the Soviet era.
  21. ymNIK1970
    ymNIK1970 19 August 2013 14: 59 New
    +5
    "Maybe it's better to think about how to make the stories of the two opposing sides coexist peacefully?" These are mutually exclusive things. Small-scale consumerism, darkness, ignorance, lasciviousness, apostasy from their faith and, as a consequence, mental illness, and led some people to Bandera. But the other, most of those living in Ukraine profess other values. This does not mean that most of them are saints. No. But we do not accept HUMANITY and lust to kill other people who are not like you. This is the difference. Normal people do not want to be murderers, gallows, fascists, Bendera. We have already seen them in Libya, we see them in Syria. Cannibals, murderers, their Bendera people. They cannot "coexist peacefully" with anyone, they can only kill, they want it. When they rush, We will have to destroy them. Everyone. At the root.
    1. armandos
      armandos 19 August 2013 15: 14 New
      +6
      I agree with you. +. However, there is a stumbling block. Ukrainians, namely, that part of the larger, must somehow react to this outrage. Not a single Russian citizen accepts such outrage. Imagine sitting on the couch and watching the news, and suddenly the announcer reports that somewhere in Russia, they broke a monument, let’s say Sholokhov, and put a bunch on his head. And our cops (RF) are standing and clicking on the seeds watching. And so with many times. What is your reaction? Don't you say: “Not a damn thing to yourself?” So, what do russians mean by my people?
      But if you had seen that these bastards who had put on Sholokhov’s head they would have been caught, tried and put in prison for five years ... What will be the reaction now?
  22. Forest
    Forest 19 August 2013 15: 03 New
    +5
    Its liberal mold and we have enough, the last films about the Second World War are not possible to watch, only the "atrocities" of the NKVD. Let us recall at least the words of one creature who compared the counterintelligence of the Red Army SMERSH with the SS troops.
  23. Sineys
    Sineys 19 August 2013 15: 44 New
    -3
    In Chelyabinsk, the monument to the Soldier-Liberator was generally transferred (as was done in Estonia and Poland, which were condemned by the Russian agitprop). Over the past years, the figure of a soldier made of copper has been repeatedly sawn by vandals (they sawed off either the arm or the leg of the Liberating Warrior, so that these limbs could later be taken to the colorimet reception center). Finally, the local bureaucracy decided to hide the monument from the population in the closed territory of the Chelyabinsk Higher Military Aviation School of Navigators.
    Also, a monument to the Great Patriotic War in Kaliningrad was dismantled for color. In addition to the aluminum coating, the vandals removed at the same time 27 silicone plates on which the names of the heroes who fell in the battles during the storm of Koenigsberg were inscribed.
    In the same place, in the city of the former German culture, while desecrating yet another WWII monument, the local population showed extraordinary ingenuity and physical pressure.
    So, the 76-millimeter anti-tank gun of the Great Patriotic War was vandals torn from a concrete pedestal and, having rolled down a slope about two hundred meters, was drowned in a swamp. Throwing a gun stuck in the mud, the hooligans took up the second gun, but it did not succumb. Then they broke a sea mine from a special container weighing more than 200 kilograms, also dropping it into a pond.
    Sometimes attacks on WWII monuments are not “everyday”, but ideological. For example, at the Mikhailovsky Cemetery in Yekaterinburg, the memorial erected in honor of the soldiers of the Great Patriotic War was smeared with black paint: an inscription of a satanic character appeared on the monument and an inverted cross was painted.
    And on the Nevsky Piglet, vandals once again desecrated the T-34 Tank monument. On the armor of the combat vehicle, they inscribed “Skin-88”, “Let's blow it up again” and the fascist swastika. Earlier, on June 22, 2002, home-grown Nazis laid 1,5-2 kg on the TNT equivalent under the bottom of this tank. As a result of the explosion, the tower was displaced by the tank, one skating rink was torn off, the bottom was torn, the rear panel was torn down, and the engine compartment blinds were deformed.
    In Shadrinsk, Kurgan region, Nazi signs on the desecrated monument of the Great Patriotic War were added and the purely Russian color of “named after General Vlasov” - the inscription ROA.
    In Aprelevka, Moscow Region, they no longer desecrated, but completely demolished the monument to the Second World War. And this was not done by non-Nazis or “vandals”, but by local officials. The fact is that this monument to the hero pilot Poydenko “interfered” with the expansion of the Kiev highway.
    In the center of Ufa (as if in a mockery, on the 64th anniversary of the victory in the Second World War), local buys solemnly gave the name to the new street - named after Ahmet-Zaki Validi. He is known for having emigrated from the USSR, during the war he personally selected personnel for the Muslim SS division formed in 1943 by the Germans, operating on the territory of Belarus. It is doubly sad that the street, renamed in honor of the traitor, previously bore the name of Timur Frunze - Hero of the Soviet Union, a combat pilot who died defending his homeland in 1942.
    And in the village of Elanskaya in the Rostov Region, a monument was erected right up to the whole gathering of Nazi criminals - Cossacks who fought on the side of Hitler. "Latvians are envious." On the monument there is such an inscription: “Atamans: Krasnov, Shkuro, Domanov, Sultan-Girey Klych, Pavlov, von Pannvits, Kononov, Zborovsky, generals: Kutepov, Miller, Mikhailov, Kaulbars, Turkul, Holmston-Smyslovsky, Skorodumov, Shteifon. To the soldiers of the Russian All-Military Union, the Russian Corps, the Cossack Camp, the Cossacks of the 15 cavalry corps who fell for faith and the fatherland. ” The inscription is inaccurate. The 15th Cavalry Corps was called the "XV Cavalry Corps of the SS Troops."
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 19 August 2013 16: 08 New
      +7
      kov missing everywhere. They grab and punish us. In my opinion too soft.
      Now, with regard to the monument in the village of Elanskaya, it was placed on the PRIVATE compound of a certain family with the very literary and characteristic surname Melekhova. Yes, there is a monument to the German litter ataman Krasnov, which has not been rehabilitated to this day. called "Don Cossacks in the fight against the Bolsheviks." prosecutors and public organizations regularly demand to demolish it. The case is currently in court.
      As for another monument, a memorial plate set in Moscow with your personalities
      “Atamans: Krasnov, Shkuro, Domanov, Sultan-Girey Klych, Pavlov, von Pannvits, Kononov, Zborovsky, generals: Kutepov, Miller, Mikhailov, Kaulbars, Turkul, Holmston-Smyslovsky, Skorodumov, Shteifon. To the soldiers of the Russian All-Military Union, the Russian Corps, the Cossack Camp, the Cossacks of the 15 cavalry corps who fell for faith and the fatherland. ”
      It was installed in 1994. It was installed by enthusiasts from the radical anti-Soviet military-historical organization "Volunteer Corps" headed by Leonid Lamm. A year later, unidentified persons, who did not agree with the appearance of a dubious monument in the capital, poured waterproof glue on it. The slab currently looks like this:

      These are not monuments to Bandera in Lviv. At the same time, clarify this funny incident to me:
      A citizen of Ukraine, who is suspected of participating in the events of May 9 in Lviv, was taken into custody in the Krasnoyarsk Territory. Police in a neighboring state put him on the wanted list, claiming that a 45-year-old man (the Ukrainian media called his name is Roman Semchiy) tore off a St. George ribbon and a medal from a WWII veteran, and then hit the old man. He fled to Russia to mine gold.
      That is, a person fought against Russia, beat veterans, and hides and makes money in the same Russia, some inconsistency. Not to wash asses to SS veterans in Germany, following the example of their ancestors.
    2. Rider
      Rider 19 August 2013 18: 34 New
      +1
      but besides this, in Russia they do this with monuments

      shortly before the next Victory Day celebration, one not indifferent person decided to spit on conventions and save this monument. At your own expense and by your own means. Like the once workers of an engineering plant. This man’s name is Maxim, he is a hard worker, founder and head of a company providing funeral services and producing monuments.
      The team supported the idea of ​​the boss, work began. Time was running out, there was very little left before Victory Day, and there was enough to do.


      taken:http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikdiscussions/186118-primer-prakticheskogo-pat
      riotizma-kak-prostye-lyudi-vosstanovili-pamyatnik-v-glubinke-sami.html


      I ask a colleague of "Kuznetsov 1977" to post a photo from the above article, BEFORE and AFTER.
      because my photo does not stick.
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 19 August 2013 21: 27 New
        +3
        With great pleasure, dear Rider.
        Here is a view of the monument before reconstruction:

        Here at the time:

        Here after:

        Yours! hi
  24. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 19 August 2013 15: 44 New
    +9
    The author is wrong in assessing the raid. The Carpathian raid cannot be the most successful. The partisan detachment was actually defeated, and the Kovpak members themselves admit this. The same Vershigora says in his memoirs that the raid was defeated. Contrary to the myth, the wounded were not taken out of the raid, but left at the mercy of the enemy and distributed among the inhabitants of the occupied territory. Even the chief of the detachment's medical service was killed in action. In general, I advise you to read the book "People with a clear conscience", but in the 1946 edition.
    During the Carpathian raid, members of the UPA were afraid to engage in battle with the Kovpakovites, and agreed on the passage peacefully. Now they dare to fight with the dead.
    By the way, Vershigory’s memoirs show that Ukrainians did not consider Zapadentsevs as real Ukrainians, did not understand either their language or their customs. And they lived in the Carpathians terribly poor, even compared with the occupied steppe Ukraine.
  25. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 19 August 2013 15: 49 New
    +5
    Bender’s infirmities, fools, just fools raised their heads.
  26. PSih2097
    PSih2097 19 August 2013 16: 23 New
    0
    Quote: PSih2097
    Quote: VadimSt
    Where in the Western Ukraine KAZAKI? Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, only campaigning on them, but on the Tatars and went.

    how did it come from, after all, Ukraine is the birthplace of the Cossacks, that's what they were saying, not knowing the essence of the term (concept) Cossack (Kozak in Ukrainian) ...
  27. tank64rus
    tank64rus 19 August 2013 16: 41 New
    +5
    Unfortunately, Soviet Power was too humane in relation to such bastards.
  28. armandos
    armandos 19 August 2013 16: 53 New
    +2
    I don’t understand how it happened. Are we now going to hate each other, Russians and Ukrainians. Our story is closely intertwined. I see Ukrainians mainly give examples of vandalism, forgetting that in this case we are not discussing vandal scumbags, but targeted actions against the memory of WWII victims. This is not a gun to steal and turn into colormet with hunger or under the addition of unpaid loans. This is a huge layer of the population of Ukraine, which supports nationalists and descendants of policemen. Of course, you will excuse me, but as one of the users put it: - What prevents you from dealing with this issue? Involuntarily you start to think that in general Ukraine supports these reptiles. Although of course, I hope this is not so!
  29. Garmash
    Garmash 19 August 2013 18: 02 New
    -12
    Litter for diploma if that. I am one of the inhabitants of western Ukraine, we demolished all the Soviet monuments, only the writers left, put the monuments to Bandera and other Ukrainian heroes, they are normally our heroes, and you have yours ...
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 19 August 2013 18: 22 New
      +7
      Quote: Garmash
      Litter for diploma if that. I am one of the inhabitants of western Ukraine, we demolished all the Soviet monuments, only the writers left, put the monuments to Bandera and other Ukrainian heroes, they are normally our heroes, and you have yours ...


      I am from Donbass, and my question is this. If you have different orders, other heroes, everything is different, then why the hell are you trying to persistently impose all of this on us? All this is alien to us and not needed for nothing. Maybe you got bored with Kovpak there?
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  30. stalkerscc
    stalkerscc 19 August 2013 19: 18 New
    +2
    The Ukrainians have completely forgotten their campaign.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 19 August 2013 19: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: stalkerscc
      The Ukrainians have completely forgotten their campaign.


      The very nationality "Ukrainian" has Polish-Austrian-Catholic authorship. And it was created for nothing more than for people to forget their history.
      Look at your leisure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE7fFCyVR18 "500 seconds of the truth about Ukraine."
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 19 August 2013 21: 06 New
      0
      Quote: stalkerscc
      Quite a hike Ukrainians forgot your story.

      Little Russians ...
      1. nevopros
        nevopros 19 August 2013 22: 20 New
        +1
        + New Russians. Just a region of residence, like Sibiryak. Cultural differences are negligible.
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  32. zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 19 August 2013 21: 46 New
    +1
    No, well, the nationalists got really fucked up ...
  33. VadimSt
    VadimSt 19 August 2013 22: 07 New
    +3
    Quote: michajlo
    Dear Vadim! Excuse me if I call you wrong.

    Regarding PATRIOTISM, let me disagree with you.
    Each of us is decent people - in my opinion, this is a PATRIOT of his country, not a patriot of the current Kiev political elite, not a patriot of heroes destroying monuments who cannot give change, and many others.

    The fact that today my dear Ukraine is led astray, and its authorities are leading "along the course of the Titanic," is a fact, not a reason to stop being a PATRIOT.


    I understand what you wanted to tell me and partly agree with you. But! It is impossible to be a patriot of the motherland, which for a person does not exist, and is it really possible in present-day Ukraine to have a concept of a person and a citizen - like a slave and an extras for elections!
    Patriotism, in my opinion, is a conscious sense of duty, pride and devotion to their homeland. To today's Ukraine, I have neither a sense of duty, nor a sense of pride, and even less devotion. I gave my civic and military duty in full. Proud of me, nothing. I have no desire to show allegiance to the anti-people, semi-fascist, semi-criminal power of the oligarchs!
    My Motherland apparently remained in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.
  34. chehywed
    chehywed 20 August 2013 00: 08 New
    0
    Maybe it’s better to think about how to make the stories of the two opposing sides coexist peacefully?


    AS? How can the history of traitors coexist peacefully for whom:
    ... SS division "Galicia" the greatest spiritual value of Ukrainians
    , with the history of veterans who fought with this scum? How can you put heroes and traitors of your own people on a par? Bowal wants "both yours and ours" to be nice. The seat is not enough.
  35. georg737577
    georg737577 20 August 2013 00: 12 New
    +2
    Personally, I am against the dismantling of any monuments - regardless of who, when and to whom installed them. Any monument is a part of history, a reminder of certain events and has a "right to life" outside the momentary historical conjuncture. If you don't like a monument to someone, put a monument next to someone you like ... And the destruction of monuments, as well as their dismantling are signs of intellectual and degradation.
  36. philosopher
    philosopher 20 August 2013 00: 52 New
    +2
    The article is good and the comments are interesting, but ...
    Despite the eternal confrontation between us - "skidnyakiv" and "zapadentsi", will anyone really prove that we are a single "Ukrainian" people? Are the deeds and argumentation of "theirs" acceptable for normal people? I am sure that Ukraine is on the way to a federation - first an economic one, and then on and on. Maybe it will even come to a sharp separation ...
    However, the question is different, I want to know the opinion of ordinary people: add normal people to yourself, or are we a "cut piece" for you? North Ossetia, then Putin accepts. So is it possible for us to bring about a war inside ourselves? By the way, our "naziks" fired in Chechnya and in Transnistria, and the result is that Chechnya is your own Russia for you, and the East of Ukraine is the same as the West?
    And if we are all so shitty here, then where do we go: to the Turks, to the Poles? That was all before the Pereyaslav Rada.
    And the East has never been Ukrainian. By the way, this is thanks to "bearded grandfather Lenin" after the revolution in St. Petersburg, we all settled here. Isn't it time to fix such mistakes?
  37. philosopher
    philosopher 20 August 2013 01: 16 New
    +1
    The article is good and the comments are interesting, but ...
    Despite the eternal confrontation between us - shydnyakiv and zapadentsiv, really some wise men will prove that we are a single Ukrainian people? Are their deeds and arguments reasonable for normal people? I am sure that Ukraine is on the way to a federation - first economic, and then further. Maybe it will even come to a sharp separation ...
    However, the question is different, I want to know the opinion of ordinary people: attach the normal ones to ourselves, or will we cut a slice for you? North Ossetia then Putin accepts. So is it even for us to bring the war inside ourselves? Our Natsiks, by the way, shot in Chechnya in Transnistria as well, and the result is that Chechnya is your own Russia, and the East of Ukraine is the same as the West?
    And if we are all so shitty here, then where do we go: to the Turks, to the Poles? That was all before the Pereyaslav Rada.
    And the East has never been Ukrainian. By the way, this is thanks to the bearded grandfather Lenin after the revolution in St. Petersburg, we have all become resident here. Is it time to correct such mistakes?
  38. rodevaan
    rodevaan 20 August 2013 03: 57 New
    +4
    Gentlemen, we will be one, sooner or later - we are one people, divided into three parts - and we have nothing to share. Scumbags, defects and traitors were with us before, there is now. Shells that do not have a national consciousness and crawl around in front of a blunt and unworthy west, which is trying to divide us in every possible way, were also there before, are now and will be in the future. Alas, the family is not without freaks .. unfortunately.
    I think that we, as a single people, do not have to fight, do not swear at the forums, do not rinse each other with selected abuse - we only move away from each other and pour water on the mill of our eternal common enemy - the Westoids from pin-dostan and geyropastanov ... The more we swear and hate each other - the greater the chasm we create.
    On the contrary, we need to look for points of convergence, to be able to find understanding with each other. Get close, get closer and get closer. We are one people and I repeat, we have nothing to share! And from a simple swear yes mats - gentlemen, friends obviously will not increase! And who will help us, if not we ourselves to each other? Who else do we need if not each other? Gentlemen, fellow citizens on the other side of the border - the West needs you only as a springboard against Russia, and no more. All this filthy nemchur, pasta with paddles and shabby - all this pedo-gayropstan pack of savages did not care about you and we wanted from a large bell tower. She is afraid of us and hates and in a nightmare sees our unity! I say the truth, for all this points to this!
    In addition to my words, I want to say this: The other day the World Championship in Athletics was held, where our country won the first team place, beating its eternal enemies - Pin-get. But it was very humanly pleased that in the stands of Luzhniki’s Ukrainian fans unfolded a really large banner uniting us, where under the two flags there was an inscription "Thank you Russia !!! From the fans of Ukraine !!!!" - It was very nice that we openly show the brotherly feelings of ONE! And if you add here the awards of Ukraine and Belarus? Then we, as in the old Soviet times, will surpass everyone's head!
    Gentlemen - these are the actions we need as air - these are the real manifestations of Unity and solidarity! Russian fans must also behave the same way - and only such actions will gradually, slowly, but relentlessly, truly unite us, strengthen us, turning into a future a strong, united and powerful state! Both the forums and our relationship to each other in the forums is no exception!

    - And when the people are united and powerful - no small Nazi pro-apodoid mongrel provocateurs are afraid of him. We ourselves will sweep them out with a filthy broom from our yard, both from Russian and Ukrainian.
  39. Michael_59
    Michael_59 20 August 2013 08: 10 New
    0
    Quote: Sineys
    We ourselves will deal with our priorities and historical heritage.

    Yeah, you will figure it out, and where not - there the overseas Ydomason "will help", "prompt". There is a typical military operation on the ideological (so far only) front of the war with the Slavs - they divide, surround, destroy. They rewrite, alter, replace. All with one thing - to quarrel and weaken. For what, okay?
    "Those who have no love for their native country, those are crippled beggars at heart."
    PS Yes, that's just hell to them, Russian and Ukrainian - brothers forever.
  40. rodevaan
    rodevaan 20 August 2013 08: 35 New
    +3
    Lord! Understand that you are both - WE are the One people! Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians! The Anglo-Saxoids-Westoids are waging an information war against us - quarreling, sharing, interfering in our heroic history, powdering the brains of young immature heads with any pro-Western mud!
    Together only we are indestructible and invincible POWER! TOGETHER we, the heirs of Great Kievan Rus, will separate, curse and hate each other - they will trample the great Russian people - in parts, as once the hordes of Batu ruined Russia and individual principalities separately ...
    We will not repeat the mistakes of our ancestors, we will stick together, but filthy, corrupt provocateurs, lured and jackal at the Western embassies, spitting on their history and their own people - a filthy broom from our common yard!

    Russian and Ukrainian! Think before you write nasty things to each other!
    1. Forest
      Forest 20 August 2013 08: 49 New
      +1
      Support brother.
  41. rodevaan
    rodevaan 20 August 2013 08: 57 New
    +4
    I appeal to all fellow citizens on both sides of the time line - both ours and those who are in Ukraine - Think, gentlemen!
    Glorifying Nazism, the fascist filth, raising your hand in this filthy salutation - you glorify the Basurman hordes of Western savages-nonhumans, who killed your people, your ancestors, fathers and grandfathers, who burned and ruined your land, your cities and villages, raped your women , - glorifying this enemy, you yourself become a passive accomplice of the gangster lawlessness of the executioners of your people.

    Svidomity, think twice before putting a boot or a hammer on the monument to the soldier, our common soldier, who saved us, our cities and villages, our Slavic people from the Western wild non-people who consider Orthodox Slavs to be subhuman ...
  42. Cristall
    Cristall 22 August 2013 22: 43 New
    0
    By the way, the monuments to Bendera and other scum and traitors to the Motherland are also spoiled. wink
    There is even the term "War on the monuments of the regime" and "War on the monuments to traitors." And there are even reasons - "in revenge for the desecration"
    Oh. honestly, Herods, it’s a pity the tzatskayuts were with them ... they would have shot even then. According to the laws of wartime, it was laid down for deeds. And in general, if they say that the tyrant Stalin drank the Ukrainian blood - how did they survive if they repressed everyone and their fight wasn’t? Have they been hiding in the forest for half a century?
    Sometimes I’m happy, we don’t have that. The Memorial to the Unknown Sailor is the most famous monument. And he is still beautiful, clean and with a guard, and flowers and clean plates; there is also an amazing place on the port and sea. The Walk of Fame is generally beautiful. And as before, Levitan is broadcasting in a radio.
    we did not forget that our city became one of the first Heroes of the cities of that great war.
    And as for the monuments - by the way, it’s fashionable for us to revive the monuments of pre-Bolshevism. For Odessa, these are monuments to the founders of both the Russian empress and favorites.
    My acquaintance from Kiev was stunned when I told him about this trend. By the way, I mentioned that I can’t speak Ukrainian in any way (although I know it) when I myself live between the streets of the greatest Russian poet and Russian empress, the founder of the city (without her decree, there would have been nothing here, although a Kiev resident is trying to prove to me that the place was conquered by the Cossacks and would take the 3rd largest port of RI from nowhere)
  43. Tamerlanf1
    Tamerlanf1 26 August 2013 14: 21 New
    +1
    Who prevented the monuments to the Soviet partisans?
    Fascists