Russia's Supreme Court: There is no reason to initiate a case of treason against Gorbachev

According to the historian Starikov, “the people have long since brought the name of Gorbachev MS to the list of traitors. ”

There are no grounds for initiating a criminal case against the former USSR President Mikhail Gorbachev under the article “Treason to the Motherland”. This conclusion follows from the response of the Russian Supreme Court to the representative of the Trade Union of Russian Citizens, Daria Dedova, who applied first to the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, then to the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation and the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, and then to the courts.

The historian Nikolai Starikov writes in his blog:

In January, 2012, the Trade Union of Russian Citizens, on behalf of millions of people in the post-Soviet space, appealed to the judicial authorities of the Russian Federation with a request to consider giving a legal assessment of the activities of the former USSR President Gorbachev, MS

We wanted and want a person who destroyed a great power, violating the oath of the president of the USSR, whoever brought suffering to tens of millions of Union citizens, was called not “an outstanding figure”, but was called legal language in quite different words.

The petition of a member of the PGR, Darya Dedova, who applied first to the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, then to the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation and the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, has come a long way through the courts. We spent a year and a half trying to force the court to reconsider the criminal case of the former president of the USSR, initiated in 1991 under the article “For treason against the motherland”.

We passed the district and city courts, in which we received the formal replies. They also appealed to the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation, which gave a lengthy conclusion that Daria Dedova, a member of the PGR, did not say anything new about Gorbachev’s unlawful acts in his statement. Such a formulation indirectly proves that the judges do not deny that the listed facts in the application of Dedova DA there were places to be. And while the servants of Themis see no reason to review and resume criminal prosecution of Gorbachev!

As if there were no millions of broken destinies. As if there were no bloody wars in the Transcaucasus, Moldova and Tajikistan. As if there was no collapse of the army. As if the gold reserves of the USSR were not "lost". As if the Motherland was not lost.

The lawyer of the PHR, Mikhail Gerasimov, prepared a supervisory appeal addressed to the chairman of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation, Vyacheslav Mikhailovich Lebedev. The complaint once again stated the reasons why the PGR requires a legal assessment of the activities of MS Gorbachev. as president.

The other day Daria Dedova received a response from the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation, signed by the deputy. Chairman of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation A.A. Tolkachenko. Having considered the arguments of the supervisory appeal, the minister of Themis considered that there were no grounds for canceling the previous decision of the judge of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation.

According to Starikov, “the people have long since brought the name of Gorbachev MS to the list of traitors. ”

“But we don’t crave blood,” noted the historian. - We, now living in Russia and not wanting to leave anywhere, need to know the truth about who and what caused the collapse of such a powerful Power as the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Millions of people living in the post-Soviet space are waiting for a fair legal assessment of the criminal acts of MS Gorbachev.

Earlier, NewsBalt reported that last spring the public appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to deprive the first and last USSR President Mikhail Gorbachev of the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called. Among those who signed the appeal are political scientists Modest Kolerov and Tatyana Poloskova, director of the Institute of Globalization and Social Movements Boris Kagarlitsky, member of the Public Chamber of Russia Georgy Fedorov and many others. As a result, an online petition to the authorities of the Russian Federation with a request to deprive Gorbachev of the highest award of Russia was signed by about 8 thousand people.

Comments

[Denis]

According to Starikov, “the people have long since brought the name of Gorbachev MS to the list of traitors. ”

The opinion of the people is not the law

There are no grounds for instituting criminal proceedings against former USSR President Mikhail Gorbachev under the article “Treason to the Homeland”.

They themselves deserve a place on this list.
Where did you come from?

[vladimirZ]

Refusal of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation to initiate a criminal case against M. Gorbachev. shows what a "fair trial" we have, dependent not only on the authorities, but also on Gorbachev's defenders in the West and in the United States.
Gorbachev M.S. After all, he himself admitted (in a number of his speeches, including a speech in Istanbul at an American university) that he purposefully “walked” the career ladder in the CPSU to “break down the communist system in the USSR and liquidate the CPSU.
Gorbachev M.S. violated the Constitution of the state, which gave the obligation to honestly serve.
Who in Russia after such decisions of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation will believe in the continuity and honesty of the Russian court?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vladimirZ

but also from Gorbachev’s defenders in the West and in the USA

Of course, it’s hard even to imagine how the west will start screaming if a case is brought against Hunchback. He will be granted political asylum by the whole west.

[Vrungel78]

It is regrettable that this is still one of the reasons for the official authorities to refuse to tear the humpback on rags. Our politicians (officials) have all kinds of bravado, there are many false pride for their homeland, etc., only when it comes to making the right, fundamental, serious decisions in this case, right away in the bushes, at the same time at @ oops overseas gentlemen there is a reason to look .

[Starover_Z]

he’ll start screaming west if a case is brought against Hunchback. The whole west will give him political asylum. They love such people there

If the case was opened, then the first is a non-departure subscription. His refuge - on Solovki and Serdyukov there too!
Yes, however, I think he will be glad in any colony!

[alicante11]

Yeah, subscription. Embassies of the USA are at hand. As soon as fried would smell, no subscription would prevent him from taking refuge there.

[Gari]

Quote: Starover_Z

If the case was opened, then the first is a non-departure subscription.

Second Fair Sentence
Treason Homeland
Article 64 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR
“Cheating on the Motherland, that is, an act intentionally committed by a citizen of the USSR to the detriment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity or state security and defense of the USSR: switching to the enemy’s side, espionage, issuing state or military secrets to a foreign state, fleeing abroad or refusing to return from abroad in the USSR, rendering assistance to a foreign state in conducting hostile activities against the USSR, as well as a conspiracy to seize power,
Shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of ten to fifteen years with confiscation of property or

DEATH PENALTY

with confiscation of property. ”

[Doctor Evil]

Exactly! On a stake to Judas! Remember "perestroika"? This is not a perestroika, but a real COUNTER-REVOLUTION!

[Apologet.Ru]

If all the wishes for this Judah came true, then instead of a satanic mark on his forehead, he would have long grown ...

[Apologet.Ru]

In general, it’s time for all these Traitors of the Homeland - Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich to declare ANATHEM
- the excommunication of a Christian from fellowship with the faithful and from the sacraments, used as the highest church punishment for grave transgressions (primarily for treason against Orthodoxy and evasion of heresy or schism and proclaimed collectively -
in all the Orthodox churches of the former Union
and rank the Children of Satanic ...

[shpuntik]

As if the gold reserves of the USSR were not “lost”.

Apologet.Ru UA Today, 17:45 ↑
In general, it’s time for all these Traitors of the Homeland - Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich to declare ANATHEM

With such a "roof" as Gorbachev's, he can only anathema and sing - no one else will do anything. Yes, and anathema for the apostate heretic Christians, and this leader apparently never was.

“The first published news of M. Gorbachev’s belonging to free masons appeared on February 1, 1988 in the German small-circulation magazine Mer Licht (More Light). Similar information is published in the New York newspaper New Russian Word (December 4, 1989). However, the most compelling evidence of Gorbachev's belonging to Freemasonry is his close contacts with the leading representatives of the world Masonic government and the entry into the membership of one of the main mondialist structures - the Trilateral Commission. The mediator between Gorbachev and the Trilateral Commission was the well-known financial businessman, mason and agent of the Israeli Mossad secret service, J. Soros, who formed the so-called Soros — Soviet Union Foundation in 1987, from which the Soviet-American Cultural Initiative fund later grew. ”

http://nnm.me/blogs/ashkaa777/masony-sozdali-ssha-no-proigrali-fevralskuyu-revol
yuciyu /
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[shpuntik]

And here's another from the series: for the "dedicated", a rare frame - the issue of the magazine, published in few places.
But, in my opinion, a specific document, it is difficult to get away from it:
http://gvizdivtsi.org.ua/перестройка-или-что-это-было/

[GSH-18]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Of course, it’s hard even to imagine how the west will start screaming if a case is brought against Hunchback. He will be granted political asylum by the whole west.

Naturally! He's actually their agent. The damage inflicted by this "activist" is comparable to a major military defeat!

[Tersky]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

They love there

Sasha ! This toad abomination sacrificed its people - "for many people around the world." In England, adored by this "spotted globe", in which he pompously met his ninth decade, for a desire to undermine the foundations of the state, you can get ten life sentences. In our country, Judas, cursed both by people and by heaven, is still healthy and advises, advises ... It is difficult to imagine a greater shame and insult for the people and the whole country. Once Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Christ, repented, returned 30 pieces of silver and found the courage to hang himself. This one is unlikely to climb into the loop - the intestine is thin.

[mamba]

Quote: Tersky

This one is unlikely to climb into the loop - the gut is thin.

Also, ambitions obscuring reality from him are unmeasured. Remember how he arrogantly ignored his 1,5% rating when he stood for president of the Russian Federation in 1996. That, they say, for me these ratings, I do not believe them and still win or even run. As a result, I scored three times less than the rating - 0,51%.
True, then EBN allowed the election commission to calculate the real number of votes cast by the HMS - 386.069.

[Proud.]

Quote: Tersky

This toad abomination sacrificed its people

I saw a demotivator, where Gorbachev with such an expression on his face. At the bottom there was an inscription: "I want to ... be!" (In the sense, out of great need).

[Apollo]

Quote: Tersky

It is difficult to imagine greater shame and insult for the people and the whole country.

Who could have thought ?! Alas, they did not discern M. Gorbachev, his native US flag, behind his birthmark.

[Tersky]

Quote: Apollon

Alas, they did not discern M. Gorbachev’s birthmark, his native US flag.

Apollo, ! That's right, in those years the majority looked into his mouth ...

[Gari]

Quote: Tersky

Once Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Christ, repented, returned 30 pieces of silver and found the courage to hang himself. This one is unlikely to climb into the loop - the gut is thin.

Himself certainly will not climb, it will be necessary to help

[Tersky]

Quote: Gari

Himself certainly will not climb, it will be necessary to help

There is no problem, but before this the COURT, where his sins will be carefully and lucidly explained to him ..

[Denis]

Quote: Tersky

but before that COURT

The court is the court ...
Who are the judges? The classic also wrote. This is not a classic about them:

”... The camp is under the control of the Russian secret police. German traitors help her, ”says prisoner Erich Hartmann in a letter home. - Among them there is one German military judge, who is afraid of Russians to convulsions, but is nevertheless doing his job reasonably. The rest are mostly political pigs and traitors ... They call themselves "Antifa". When closely examined, they turn out to be former SS doctors, leaders of the Hitler Youth, commanders of the SA and the like trash. I don’t know what the Russians are going to do with them.Yesterday they betrayed us, and tomorrow they will betray the new owners. Such people must be kept in hell. ”

It has long been written, but word for word about that

[strange and pretty meaningless]

Quote: Tersky

This one is unlikely to climb into the loop - the gut is thin.

Yes, its intestinal loops will rot along with its worms. Ropes feel sorry for this slug. But the present Judas ...

"... the servant of Themis considered that there are no grounds for canceling the previous decision of the judge of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation."

Duc still - the "minister" receives thirty pieces of silver every month. What a cancellation

"... the public appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to deprive ... Gorbachev of the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called ...."

ahh ... Well, what about ours? Dad. Chosen by the People ...

[Tersky]

Quote: abyrvalg

"... the public turned to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to deprive ... Gorbachev of the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called .... ahh ... Well, what about Ours? Dad. Chosen by the People ..."

First of all, the ROC should be outraged, the presentation of the order with the face of the apostle to the nit and the traitor, or whether there is an outrage against Orthodoxy ... and there they closed their mouths - "Not a drop by" ...

[alicante11]

So the ROC will be the first mountain behind humpback. This is when priests had such limousines under the Soviet regime and expensive watches? So he is not for them, but just an apostle.

[kavkaz8888]

Do not bother the ROC. She is indignant (hesitating) only together with the party’s general line.

[Theophanes]

Ebts-dead, hunchback-dies with thirty pieces of silver in the throat! And the people’s memory doesn’t spit on him like today. Well, who are the judges? Those who are now in enti positions due to bald and ebts got. So it’s against the wind .... somehow they can’t get it. Yes, and the rollback does not shine for them. But Themis doesn’t work without a rollback - it’s not a man for a bag of rotten potatoes for 19 years. Serdyuk with a harem paid off to see, and everyone else, money, either walk on the shores of the middle sea or come under the administration. So one hope is for the memory of the people and hatred of the ghoul marked and hunchbacked! Nehai liberians are kissing him with ... And!

[Sandov]

Quote: Tersky

This one is unlikely to climb into the loop - the gut is thin.

Who would help him.

[Tersky]

Quote: Sandov

Who would help him.

The time will come, help .... impunity is not endless.

[bastard]

Just do not again about Jewish folk tales (Judas, Christ ...) already tired!

[Val_y]

I think that all the same, they will institute proceedings and strip all state awards, both Soviet and post-Soviet, but posthumously. Indeed, they will not begin to debunk him now, but it’s a pity, I wanted this PASKUDU (let the moderators excuse me) to publicly debunk him, deforest all the regalia and send him to Magadan (he will not cut down the forest for health, well, at least clean the potatoes in the galley until death)

[Sandov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: vladimirZ

but also from Gorbachev’s defenders in the West and in the USA

Of course, it’s hard even to imagine how the west will start screaming if a case is brought against Hunchback. He will be granted political asylum by the whole west.

So the humpback in Germany was attached, one little campaign with EBN.

[krasin]

In order to go further and determine the national idea, one must put all the points in the historical segment of the collapse of the USSR. Who is Gorbachev and who is Yeltsin.
Without such a definition, we are marking time.

[ksan]

Yes, we are not marking time. Russia is moving forward, maybe not as fast as we would like. But in what you are certainly right "to put an end to the historical segment of the collapse of the USSR." And the role of Gorbachev as the first person in the country in this collapse. I think the Supreme Court simply does not have the courage to even initiate a case on the "fact of the collapse of the country," especially when the "top officials" of the country present him (Gorbachev) with the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called, which is being awarded, I will process position::

1. The Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called is the highest state award of the Russian Federation.

2. The Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called is awarded to outstanding statesmen and public figures and other citizens of the Russian Federation for their exceptional merits that contribute to the prosperity, greatness and glory of Russia.

3. The Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called may be awarded for outstanding services to the Russian Federation by heads and heads of governments of foreign states.

As we can see, Gorbachev does not correspond to one of the indicated "provisions", or maybe it is now Medvedev's personal order and he, at his discretion, "distributes" it to everyone he likes? Or maybe you can apply to the International Court of Justice? Let them evaluate the activities of Judushka-Gorby, although I doubt that there will be any use. I am not a lawyer, but I can "consider" the grounds for presenting the highest award of Russia to Gorbachev and Medvedev's justification of Gorbachev's "merits" to Russia.

[kotvov]

do not you think that you yourself answered the question of who he is and who they are.

[Very old]

Vladimir, read ALL comments. 99,9% - to judge. And the question arises: is it our people's power? And does she listen to the opinion of the people?

[Ruslan_F38]

"The Supreme Court of Russia: There are no grounds to initiate a case of treason against Gorbachev" - who would have expected a different decision, but now on the news feeds - a businessman - Kommersant learned about the first refusal of the Main Military Investigation Directorate (GVSU) of the TFR to initiate a criminal case, the defendants of which could be ex-Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov, as well as his favorite, former director of the education department of the military department Yekaterina Priezzheva.
Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2258739

[smersh70]

Quote: vladimirZ

Gorbachev M.S. violated the Constitution of the state, which gave the obligation to honestly serve.

Since 1992, a criminal case has been instituted against Gorbachev by the Prosecutor's Office of Azerbaijan on the fact of the murder of 134 citizens in January 1990 ...... so it is better to bring this case to an end ..

[V. Salama]

Quote: vladimirZ

Gorbachev M.S. After all, he himself admitted (in a number of his speeches, including a speech in Istanbul at an American university) that he purposefully “walked” the career ladder in the CPSU to “break down the communist system in the USSR and liquidate the CPSU.

Even as General Secretary, Gorbachev was never a communist (an undefined concept is defined through a set of axioms), he was a "reborn", like most of the elite at that time. Membership in the party gave this riffraff the opportunity to move up the career ladder and that's it. He acted according to the circumstances in his personal interests and was a hostage of these circumstances - a toy in the hands of the "architect of perestroika". That does not absolve him of his guilt in treason. However, here he was lying, I think. What a leader he is, even in the destruction of the country, a cowardly chatterbox. Perhaps Raisa was aware of her true goals. And in the lectures it was necessary to justify himself with something that he did not just go with the flow, he was awarded for these actions by the adversaries, but he had nothing to do with it, so he sculpted a hunchback - again he acted as "alozhnik of circumstances."
Here's what seems strange to me, why did Starikov turn all the arrows only to Gorbachev? He is a historian, supposedly, so he must be capable of analyzing the historical situation of recent years, but this analysis is clearly one-sided. One gets the feeling that they want to take us away once again, "let off steam", defining a "scapegoat". This muddy publicist, contradictory, although he knows how to speak beautifully and convincingly, but always "two to two does not converge."

[VkadimirEfimov1942]

Members of the RF Armed Forces are afraid to condemn Gorbachev, since many of them silently (out of fear) accepted Gorbachev's betrayal and Yeltsin's drunken actions. Our Soviet "elite" immediately "fussed in advance" at the microphones in support of the armed seizure of power. What a shame it was to hear this verbiage! Therefore, we cannot wait for a fair trial of this Judas. I fully support Daria Starikova - let the people know and be afraid not to forget the "birthday people" of the shameful past ...

[BotaniQ]

Quote: vladimirZ

Who in Russia after such decisions of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation will believe in the continuity and honesty of the Russian court?

And who else believes?

[Edward72]

Well then, the sun should be dispersed once they think so.

[Airman]

Quote: Edward72

Well then, the sun should be dispersed once they think so.

Without the command of FAS from above, neither the Supreme Court, nor the Constitutional Courts, as well as the Investigative Committee, will lift a finger. And if you condemn the hunchback, then a precedent will be created, and it will be possible to condemn both EBN and the LADY.

[yak69]

Dreams Dreams.
We can only dream about this. Never in my life will any of the current rulers take this step!
For today's authorities, this will mean a death sentence and damnation forever! Have you seen somewhere that someone himself, with his own hand, consciously signed the death sentence ?!
But it is right that such an attempt was made. It is necessary for this Judas to know what the people devoted to him think about him. And also, so that those who are in power today understand that retribution can overtake every "infallible and untouchable". This is a powerful signal for thought for all traitors and scoundrels.

[Starover_Z]

We can only dream about this. Never in my life will any of the current rulers take this step!

They, the rulers of the CIS, probably have an unwritten law - if you plant the previous one today, then you can sit YOURSELF tomorrow! So do not touch YOUR!

[elmi]

And also, so that those who are in power today understand that retribution can overtake every "infallible and untouchable". This is a powerful signal for thought for all traitors and scoundrels.

These traitors and bastards live happily ever after in the west and do not blow their whiskers. What are the traitors in power afraid of if they can quickly shed the West? Is that why our government is so zealously striving to achieve a visa-free regime with the West? what if in which case quickly slip away for the cordon.

[DEMENTIY]

I promise to post the results vlichkku!

[SPBOBL]

why not a couple of times "plus" to press ???

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Denis

The opinion of the people is not the law

you are wrong, in the opinion of the people you would need to slap a pusyak, but there is no such article in the law, idiots from Rzhev, generally they would put on a stake, judges rely on written laws.
and humpback like Judah will go down in history forever and ever

[Denis]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

judges rely on written laws

Often, if not always, they themselves wrote. The law and those who defend it are on their side. Even if people are outraged, they hope to have time to slip away where the head is now with a patch
And how can they blame if many, if not all, crawled out with him?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

there will always be dissatisfied with a court decision, ALWAYS, this is not a hunchback issue.
and about him personally it’s too late now, and then the second Judas, who was drunk instead of the investigation, shared the inheritance

[omsbon]

A stake or a loop is the whole choice for Judah! The hunchbacked people have long been sentenced to the highest degree!

[an-sar]

Mister "Gorby" like Judas has to commit suicide !!!!

[My address]

Best wishes to Dzerzhinsky. Andrew, allow me to add?
If Gorbachev is convicted, an incident will happen. Not long ago, DAM, who was president, awarded Judas the order of A. Pervozvanny. To condemn it is to show who the DAME is.

[matross]

Quote: My address

When condemning Gorbachev, an incident will happen.

You're right. The incident will happen. But in another. Gorbachev changed the homeland - the USSR. And could be brought to justice under the laws of the USSR. But not the USSR, nor its laws anymore. This does not mean that Judas must go unpunished. He can and should be deprived of all state awards and honorary titles of the Russian Federation and his activities should be given a public assessment by the authorities and society, in the new history textbooks the role of a traitor should be clearly reflected! It will be a verdict of history, worse than formal condemnation!

[ksan]

It is not necessary to dwell on the "first" failure, it is necessary to continue "hammering" this "topic" in different "instances" Maybe then the LADY will understand that the Order of St. Andrew is not his personal "page in social networks" where you can use your photos and "conclusions "to share with the whole world. A person has absolutely no" understanding "and" feeling "of the country and the feelings of the people.

[Starover_Z]

If so, then definitely on the COL of Judah!

[Ruslandeth]

First, Mishka is not responsible for the collapse of the USSR as a state; he is responsible for the collapse of the ideological and economic foundation of our Motherland. And, I think, to the fore, at least initially, it was not "betrayal" that came out, but rather stupidity and incompetence. It smelled of betrayal as soon as Humpback was made to shake hands in the Western political get-together.

For the collapse in the answer, Yeltsin and his drinking companions in Bialowieza ...

Secondly, no one will judge Gorbachev, Yeltsin and their teams under the current government in any other way. For this, a revolution must occur.


To recognize the actions of Gorby and Yeltsin as illegal or treacherous is to open a "pandora's box", since it jeopardizes the de facto "legitimacy" of the privatization processes of the 1990s and the divorce of the union republics.

With my respect to V. Putin, this is impossible in the light of the fusion of the "new Russian" government and big business. Although if this had been done, Putin would have gone down in history as a new dictator in the West and as a man of the highest justice in the ex-USSR.

[Avenger711]

In the 30s they did not engage in such nonsense as clarifying stupidity, or intent. The main thing is that the result is the same.

[explorer]

Quote: Avenger711

Firstly, Mishka is not responsible for the collapse of the USSR as a state; he is responsible for the collapse of the ideological and economic foundation of our Motherland.

That is, the terrorist is not responsible for undermining the house, he is only responsible for installing an explosive device and pressing a button. And the house itself fell apart - the drunk house manager is to blame.

[Ruslandeth]

And who takes responsibility from him?

It just means that it would be incorrect to put everything on Gorbachev. I am in favor of an honest and impartial trial of the entire gang-leika political, financial and military "illite" 1985-2012

[Gur]

Here I agree with you, BUT the first should be Humpbacked (I said Humpbacked), and this should be a precedent, and then when he starts to testify, then there will be confrontations and to each of the servants. Only who will plant them (the greater half are monuments or tombstones) and their children either rule us or over the hill. Well, you and I (if you were already a conscious person) will have to answer for our tacit consent. (I am ready to work for a month for free)))

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Avenger711

such nonsense as asking stupidity, or intent

stupidity can be "cured" in addition, you can transfer to another job where a person will be in his place, and intent is completely different

[elmi]

Secondly, to judge or otherwise "give a legal assessment" to Gorbachev, Yeltsin and their teams under the current government no one will. For this, a revolution must happen.

That's right!
With the seemingly strong current government, it is soft, weak. Strong opposition is enough for the opposition to plant and take timid steps against America (Snowden case)
Whoever is lazy about Russia is "wiping their feet", even the small Baltic countries do not hesitate to slander Russia, and our power is limited only by protests. You can enumerate for a long time the unrequited humiliations caused not only by the West but also by the former republics of the USSR, I see that our government is not particularly patriotic and does not care about its own people. This can be seen from the example of Belarus. There Lukashenko really holds everything in his hands, as a result there is order , despite the fact that Belarus does not have as many natural resources as we do. For me, it would be better if Lukashenko would be our president at the same time Russia and Belarus would be one country.

[Oskar]

As if there were no millions of broken destinies. As if there were no bloody wars in the Transcaucasus, Moldova and Tajikistan. As if there was no collapse of the army. As if the gold reserves of the USSR were not "lost". As if the Motherland was not lost.
For them, these are not arguments. The fact that for us losses are gains for them. we look from different bells.

[Gur]

No respected here "we look from different bell towers." does not fit, there is another system, a roost system, who is higher and right (and if you want in chocolate) the rest are wrong as they go down (or easier in shit). And if by the same analogy, then for them the argument is a skewer in the ass, then they start crowing differently.

[Atenon]

Interestingly, then what needs to be done to become a traitor to the Motherland if its collapse and sale of interests are not considered? He would be buried after death for his services to the Motherland in a landfill along with Yeltsin.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: AtenON

It’s interesting, then what needs to be done to become a traitor to the Motherland,

Throw a grenade at the Chubais motorcade.

[Gur]

What is such a betrayal? This is a feat !!! I would myself Chubais, but I’m far from keen, and he does not go to us. Is that to return to their historical homeland?

[Val_y]

This is it about GRU Colonel Vladimir Vasilievich Kvachkov (accused of treason and attempted murder for attempted assassination)

[Tersky]

Quote: AtenON

It’s interesting, then what needs to be done to become a traitor to the Motherland

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Throw a grenade at the Chubais motorcade.

Sasha optionally, enough born with the surname Kvachkov and rose to the rank of GRU Colonel of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia ....

[strange and pretty meaningless]

Plusanul, but you said it inaccurately. For the "cortege" Kvachkova still opgavali. And 13,5 was soldered to the colonel for "organizing rebellion and terrorism." "According to the FSB, Kvachkov and his comrades-in-arms planned to seize weapons in several military units, and then organize a campaign against Moscow, the purpose of which was to seize power." Neither more nor less.

[KazaK Bo]

Well done D.A. DEDOVA!
Even though the facts and events of failure to fulfill their constitutional duties as President of the USSR took place, no one ... and will never go to the trial of the "humpbacked Judoshka"! Judging Gorbachev is to provide the prerequisites for such lawsuits. This will be a precedent with far-reaching consequences.
And how "can one judge" THE BEST GERMAN "..." THE PERSON OF THE YEAR IN THE USA "..." THE NOBEL WINNER OF THE WORLD "... without the consent of the Amers ... and they will not give their consent to this.

[Oskar]

Ice axes are few with us, or what?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Oskar

Ice axes are few with us, or what?

there are ice axes, only hands grow out of the wrong place.

[Oskar]

Yes, and they pretty much shortened.

[Gur]

Come on, we have everything, and the arms and length of the arms are suitable, people don’t want another, that this stinking cesspool didn’t stain you when you hit it with your shit. Not an exit is an ice ax, not an exit, it is necessary to judge him, him and accomplices. That in history this fact would be fixed as a warning to the Jews.

[Colonel]

Ice axes are few with us, or what?

And there are ice axes and hands, but neither Stalin I.V. nor Sudoplatova P.A.

[koksalek]

Sorry, so sorry. The authorities again showed that the country for them is a bargaining chip

[Airman]

Quote: koksalek

Sorry, so sorry. The authorities again showed that the country for them is a bargaining chip

If the Supreme Court has not found reasons to initiate a case, then it is necessary to initiate a case against the composition of the court for concealing a crime. Our "incorruptible" Themis remained blindfolded and tied hands, all the people SEE and KNOW, but they do not.

[Oskar]

But who will excite? It’s like in a joke: you don’t like my CEC, so file it with me in my court.

[michajlo]

Good morning, dear "Air Defense"! How can I call you by name?
There are many legal opportunities, a knowledgeable lawyer can advise how to properly execute "Application to initiate a criminal case against the judiciary", for their unwillingness to consider the applications already repeatedly filed (1991, 2011, etc.).

Probably still it's time to begin practical implementation !?

Or settle down to one exchange of opinions and conversations / empty arguments without consequences?

[APASUS]

How much time has passed and the West supports it all - a valuable agent!
Otherwise, they leaked for a long time ..........

[elmi]

Quote: APASUS

The West supports it all - a valuable agent!

Not only him, but obviously those who do not allow him, Chubais, Serdyukov and others, are not honored to judge.
Otherwise, perhaps they would have been sitting long ago.

[Humpty]

If there is no legal reason to consider the hunchbacked as a traitor, then the law is imprisoned to justify the villains. The question is who is standing guard over such a law.

[mamba]

Quote: Humpty

If there is no legal reason to consider the hunchbacked as a traitor, then the law is imprisoned to justify the villains. The question is who is standing guard over such a law.

The very villains who created it for themselves stand on guard of such a law.

[vitek1233]

In my opinion, Gorbachev is a traitor. And who are the judges?

[Andrey from Tver]

Quote: vitek1233

.And who are the judges?

The painting is called Skinning a Corrupt Judge. Valorous judges expect just such a procedure.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Andrey from Tver

The painting is called "Skinning a Corrupt Fate.

No-this is the style of the civilized west, we just hang and everything, without atrocities

[dirty trick]

sorry. I hope that Starikov and the Trade Union of Citizens of Russia will continue to seek truth in this Judah. I believe that for history and future generations a clear, legally justified definition of the fact that humpback is a TRADER is really necessary!

[Captain Vrungel]

-Mommy! Is Uncle Lenin Bad?
- Bad, son, bad.
-And uncles Stalin, Khrushev and Brezhnev?
- Bad, son, bad.
-And Uncle Yeltsin?
-And uncles Gorbachev and Putin?
- Wait, son. We will die, we will know.

[Ruslandeth]

Thank you) Very subtle humor

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

- Wait, son. We will die, we will know.

Well, Yeltsin died and cho?

[fedorovith]

Burnt from alcohol saving the country.

[Oskar]

His work lives on, and the successor lives on.

[Captain Vrungel]

Bad, however. Not me, but the people speak. And the mouth of the people speaks the truth.

[Nitarius]

Sadi and need to shoot Gorbachev! Goat of a kind!
No longer can you call him!
And then bring the foreign KRYSS to Russia and also hang who was to blame for the collapse!
They are planting ours, so we need to do the same!

[mamba]

Quote: Nitarius

They are planting ours, so we need to do the same!

They even plant ours for intentions overheard by telephone, and our Themis will not even lift a finger even for specific crimes against the state and people, because with one hand he counts the loot, and someone holds tightly with the other. Guess the third time, who could it be?
Hint: this Someone else also dumps dough ...

[vladsolo56]

I somehow do not understand, Gorbachev is constantly criticized, insulted, even threatened by the court. And why are we silent about Yeltsin, we are erecting monuments to him, memorials are different, we celebrate the dates at the state level, Gorbachev is certainly to blame, but he did much harm to the USSR by his stupidity. But Yeltsin then destroyed the Soviet Union, started a war in Chechnya, killed thousands of people, and ruined the Russian economy purposefully. However, I don’t hear something suggesting to condemn him and all who were his assistants. He is not, but those who entered his inner circle are alive and healthy and live happily ever after. So the article is minus, irrelevant and pretentious

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vladsolo56

But Yeltsin then destroyed the Soviet Union, started a war in Chechnya, killed thousands of people, and ruined the Russian economy purposefully.

Speaking of Humpback, they most likely recall the power that distributes medals to the Jews. You throw in a hunchback, you get into the rest

[ksan]

Alexander, how else? To be silent? Yes, you need to shout at every corner, maybe then "people who have lost touch with reality" will think to whom they are presenting the HIGHEST award of Russia and for what merits.

[grafrozow]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

. Throw humpback, get the rest

++++++ Who will judge him?

[My address]

Good afternoon, Vladimir.

I sometimes mention a lot of speaking phrase (FIO) - EBN - this drunk.

By the way, thanks to the deception of Gorbachev, he immediately reacted critically to the promises of EBNatik.

[Neo1982]

It was not Yeltsin who collapsed, namely Gorbachev. Signing documents in Belovezhskaya Pushcha was illegal. It could be easily canceled, and take everyone who was there. But Gorbachev did not do this, because that was his goal.

[Val_y]

Of course, humpbacked, the creation of an artificial shortage of absolutely all goods, with a full load of enterprises, dry law and the creation of social tension, Pavlov's exchanges, devaluation, again artificial, etc. He is truly a saboteur and conscious killer of the country and millions of people around the world. By the way, GDP called the collapse of the USSR "the greatest tragedy of the 20th century"

[Oskar]

For a long time I say, they are links of one chain.

[Alexander-81]

Advice for the Ministry of Education, to introduce reading of his books in high school, and not to study the civil war (north-south) in the USA!

[Reserve buildbat]

Yeah ... Our court is the most humane court in the world. Betrayal is not a crime for him. Tagged - to the wall. And judges - in court.

[NKVD]

All of our humane time itself has long been for soap. They keep Serdyukov-Vasilyev carefully kept from prison, where they should go to Gorbachev. Nature has not yet endowed our proceedings with healthy brains

[Oskar]

Brains have nothing to do with it. The team was not let down vertically.

[mamba]

Quote: Oskar

The team was not let down vertically.

The vertical is overloaded with cash flows coming up. Wait for an answer, wait for an answer, wait for an answer ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Gorbachev-bloody people will remember for a long time .. They taught us a good lesson not to believe words and promises ..

[vladsolo56]

Well, yes, but you Yeltsin on the icon and hang in the red corner.

[Djozz]

To each his own! Az, I will repay! Everything has its time. EBN will not turn away from the court of man.

[alicante11]

Already screwed up, unfortunately :) :(.

[ZU-23]

yes this is all talk about nothing, Yeltsin had to punish him for perestroika in a grim way even earlier, and now the hunchback is over 80, he just needs to be ignored and that’s all.

[nemec55]

humpbacked Judah — still God's judgment awaits there corrupt ones; no one will be turned away.

[Bosk]

Yes, what is a court decision ... it can be protested and so on, so on, so on, but you won’t protest the opinion of the people and you won’t come up with amnesties for it, again, after a year, the court’s decision will be forgotten, and the people’s opinion will be kept for centuries.

[094711601]

There will be no legal prosecution and punishment of the two former leaders .... we won’t wait! If you remember, these two bastards were given security guarantees at the time. The second is gone, and the first .... Yes, let him live out his filthy days, damned by millions! The task is different --- NEED THE COUNTRY TO RESPOND AND RESTORE!

[VadimSt]

Yes, yesterday, they played on the channel "Three Days in August" - the putsch and "HEMORROY Yeltsin". Did those who then stood up for him "like a mountain" knew that this alcoholic would do more than a hunchback? On the screen, anxious about the fate of the homeland, sober, even a wise face. What then - the collapse of the USSR, the army, the KGB, intelligence, elite special forces, free access of American advisers to everything that constituted a state secret, the complete impoverishment of the people, the drunkard clowning under television cameras for the whole world, the birth of Chubais, a financially secured daughter - you can't list everything. After that, watching the memories of his Naina, about "a man who gave himself to serve Russia", is simply disgusting!

[alicante11]

Yes, those who needed to know. Type Novodvorskaya and others like them. And the rest are just drunks for extras.

[ksan]

And now another "saga" has begun "The collapse of the USSR" where the majority of "those at the helm" and "Members of the Central Committee" hate how much in vain the country which they also led, and it turns out that there is nothing they did not do that this country has become better. Such an abomination is disgusting to look at.

[clip07]

Masons have long been covering up this pepper, I am surprised why Serdyukov, Vasilyeva and the company are not given an article "for treason to the Motherland" ... but it would be necessary .... and hang on a lamppost .... in public!

[alicante11]

I am afraid that from a legal point of view, the prosecution of a hunchback is really impossible. All his actions fit into the concept of incompetence. And even their own admission of the desire to destroy the socialist system - this is, according to modern legislation, not a guilty act.
This is the first thing. And secondly, how can the oligarchic power judge the one who gave it life? Would the Abramovichs, Deripaska, Grefs, etc. etc. under Soviet rule, villas, yachts, own financial empires? Under socialism, their lot would have been farts. What does it mean? This means that you are constantly afraid of every person in uniform, and just a hard worker who will turn you over to the OBKhSS, not to show your money once again, not to boo. The only pleasure they could afford was to count the papers under the covers and shed drool and snot over the foreign "new clothes" that they wore over the hillock 10 years ago. And now they are the masters of life. And they can look down on everyone. Can they judge him for such a gift? The only thing VVP is right that did not get his hands dirty about the order of this Judas. Of course, without his permission, the humpback would not have received the order. But officially VVP again remained on the sidelines, I think that this is because, as VVP, under the USSR, it could well have made a good career, so there is nothing for it to thank the traitor for.

[krpmlws]

What is the other legal point of view, where did you dig her up, and here is incompetence. Gorbachev did not fulfill his direct duties, committed consistent and systematic actions to the detriment of the state, so his activities can be qualified as treason to the Motherland. Similarly, it is necessary to open a criminal case for all participants Belovezhskaya gathering, deputies who voted for the dissolution of the USSR, to all those who participated in the looting of the Russian Federation.

[alicante11]

I’m talking specifically about the legal side of the issue, which should exclusively be guided by the court, if it is not the Lynch court.
I do not deny that Gorby is a traitor. But he is a de facto traitor, but de jure - no. Therefore, it is impossible to judge him. Therefore, the only chance of punishment is Lynch's court. If he had been lynched, I would have gladly even come to Moscow for this.

[Nrsimha42]

This scum should have been sentenced to the highest degree! No wonder the whole "trap" praises him with enthusiasm!

[krpmlws]

By refusing to objectively assess the role of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, both the court and the government thereby support, whitewash the processes that took place in the second half of the 80s and 90s. This position is contrary to the law, common sense and opinion of the people, therefore the court and government thereby undermine its legitimacy, the trust of citizens, it is possible for the government to repeat similar illegal actions that could lead to further degradation of the Russian Federation and its collapse. It is necessary to demand the opening of a criminal case considering all x who was involved in the collapse of the economy and political sphere of the USSR in the second half of the 80s and the beginning of the 90s, who was involved in the collapse of the Warsaw bloc and the USSR, who was involved in the looting of the Russian Federation in the 90s and is guilty of unleashing a large-scale war in Chechnya and guilty of the deaths of citizens of the Russian Federation. Until this process is started, citizens of the Russian Federation have every right to consider the government and the court illegitimate.

[scientist]

No matter how old Gorbachev and Yeltsin are. Attempts by politicians and the Supreme Court to slow down everything create an illusion of permissiveness in the current government. So it should not be otherwise the story repeats itself. Gorbachev is primarily a traitor for all peoples in Russia and in the post-Soviet space, because he and Yeltsin ignored the results of the 1991 referendum, he is a traitor to the Motherland, because he caused irreparable damage to the territorial integrity, defense capability and economy of each of the allied states. And do not confuse these actions with party affiliation by the liquidation of the CPSU.

[michajlo]

Good afternoon, dear "scientist"! Or how can I call you by name?

You are absolutely right! Any power in any countryIt gives a feeling and confidence in its divine character, impunity and permissiveness.

Since the authorities have IGNORED more than once the results of referenda (1991 and others), here is a legal incident, for CONDEMNING (even posthumously) the UNFILLED will of the people expressed in the referendum would very quickly sober up any SON OF THE PEOPLE!

But so far ALL the provisions of the Referendum in the Constitution and the Code of Laws (in my opinion, its results are not MANDATORY, just an advisory force ..., I don’t remember exactly)
- this is just an empty phrase for the fooling of ordinary people, what if you we will arrange a referendum for your money, the results of which we will rig or not consider as an indication!

In addition, a very important question is about the Constitution and the Laws.

They are EVERYTHING is written for PROTECTING AUTHORITY from the PEOPLE, not for the people and the protection of their interests.

There is a field of activity, but for you need to attract lawyers, not those for the money, but patriots of the country / not patriots of banknotes
and start doing something.

Otherwise, all the energy, once again leaking into the sand!

Well, and so all of our GOOD opinions are not SUBJECT to the PEOPLE'S REQUIREMENT / not by petition, REFERENDUM or other methods of SPEAKING out the people’s demand for power - in essence, it IS JUST just an empty phrase, releasing steam ...

And the authorities then can continue to UNPUNCHLY laugh at the people in the face.

Remember the classics:
- "And Vaska listens and eats."

[ded10041948]

Life is Beautiful:
- Spotted - not a traitor.
- EBNu - a monument.
- There is no furniture maker to judge for what.
- .................
And so on.
How many more weeks can people cast out?

[user]

G..but does not sink.

Well, seriously, the RUSSIAN AUTHORITIES will never set a precedent of this kind.
Otherwise, you will have to look around and see a lot of interesting things, for example, the annual family income of the First Deputy Prime Minister or the annual family income of the Deputy Prime Minister (Plenipotentiary of the President of the Russian Federation for the North Caucasus Federal District). And this is far from the closest environment.

[fedorovith]

The hunchback collapsed to the point that he could no longer hold it, then the drunk got it to finish it to the end in order to please foreign owners.

[grafrozow]

Quote: user

Otherwise, you’ll have to look around and see a lot of interesting things, for example, the first deputy prime minister’s annual family income

The raven-raven's eye will not peck.

[Standard Oil]

The West will not surrender Gorbachev, not because he needs him, no one needs Gorbachev, he just sits in the West as an example for all traitors and traitors to the Motherland, that they say calmly betray and destroy, we will always protect and attach you, you see how Judas Gorbachev settled down well, ate a pork snout for himself, advertises pizza, and our new Russian resident-president also awarded him an order, apparently for services to the Fatherland, if I could ask Medvedev for what "Merits" you are rewarding a Jew who sold your own country? that he will run around, swell his eyes, but he will not give a clear answer, it is also sad that when this creature dies, and he obviously does not have much time left, his corpse will most likely be transported to Russia and buried with state honors, Medvedev will certainly come to the funeral, I wonder if Putin will come?

[grafrozow]

Quote: Standard Oil

The West will not give up Gorbachev not because he needs him

Quote: Standard Oil

, you see how Judas Gorbachev settled down well, ate his pork snout,

I made necessary friends ...

[Ross]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: vladimirZ

but also from Gorbachev’s defenders in the West and in the USA

Of course, it’s hard even to imagine how the west will start screaming if a case is brought against Hunchback. He will be granted political asylum by the whole west.

This is an indicator of our "independence". The invaders do not even allow to name the traitor by his own name.

[scientist]

Recently one correspondent asked the question "What do foreign states give rewards for?". I do not think that someday the West and the United States will reward someone for raising someone else's econopics and defense capabilities. But the economy and politics also obey the laws of physics - as much as it flows out of the country, so much should be added somewhere. Apparently for this, and most of the foreign awards, in fact, for betraying the interests of their state, of course, with the exception of military peacekeepers and doctors who actually saved people's lives abroad.

[Hey]

You can minus, BUT ...
I forgave EBN for the fact that I left and transferred the country to normal hands, i.e. V.V. To Putin.

[alicante11]

I will not minus. But you are wrong. You can’t forgive 90. Maximum - one pan in hell less. For stopping in time, refusing to completely destroy the country.

[APASUS]

Quote: alicante11

Forgiveness for the 90s is impossible. Maximum - one pan in hell less. For stopping in time, refusing to completely destroy the country.

How did he stop? What are you?
Yes, if he had no heart problems, it is not known who would be the first to go to another world, the people of Russia or he?

[alicante11]

It's not about the heart. Fortunately for us, most of our homegrown oligarchs, when the Russian issue was finally resolved, should have remained overboard. In 97-98gg there was an attempt to nationalize the central bank as part of a gradual withdrawal from the influence of the USA, but the attack was too cavalry. And EBNu was quickly shown who is the boss in Russia when the Duma wrapped the bill. Well, in revenge, the amers punished us with the 98 crisis. When government securities collapsed. Then EBNu urgently began to look for a replacement, because he showed that he could break the chain. As a result, a group of Russian oligarchs dragged the candidate of GDP through the main watching BAB, which suited everyone because it was from the Sobchak deck that had been defeated before and had no power behind which could support it if it started pursuing its policy. But, having received the support of most oligarchs, the GDP sharply turned its head back to a group of people watching with the BAB at the head.

Although, I suspect that the conflict with amers at EBNya began during the first Chechen one. Not for nothing then all the liberoid dogs were let down on him.

[MDesant]

Shit does not sink

[SvetoRus]

Russia's Supreme Court: There is no reason to initiate a case of treason against Gorbachev in fact, in my opinion, this is a verdict for the entire judicial system. Especially if we put the case of Kvachkov and Khabarov on the other side of the scales of our "themis".

[grafrozow]

Quote: SvetoRus

this is a verdict for the entire judicial system. Especially if we put the case of Kvachkov and Khabarov on the other side of the scales of our "Themis".

You can add the case of Budanov.

[sevtrash]

Gorbachev is a short-sighted person, but is he like that? After all, his career outcome is impressive - the head of a great country. Naturally, by his qualities - or rather, their absence - he was absolutely not able to lead such a country at such a time. But supervised.
And the prevailing system that completely rotted him brought him to power. And the GKChP? A mediocre coup, which shows how little power remained smart and active people.
So speaking of Gorbachev, one must think that this is a man of the existing system, its, so to speak, peak of evolution.

[dmb]

Fellow citizens, how long can you buy cheap receptions. Well, I understand that the majority of the people do not care about the award legislation, but the "signers" hardly know that no President, even Vladimir Vladimirovich himself, can deprive a state award. He is deprived of awards only for a crime and only by a court, which the Guarantor cannot give instructions. Officially. And not officially, he will not give them. And not at all because he honors the Constitution, but because he remembers that he is not eternal, and the replacement, going to meet the working people, may not show loyalty. Let me remind you that one of the first decrees of the current Guarantor. then "cast" into the Law, even the former Guarantor had the right to knock his mother-in-law with a frying pan without any particular consequences for himself. It is better not to say anything to the justice of our court, because one can pass for the narrator of "bearded" anecdotes. All this is well understood by both Starikov and signers and lawyers, and therefore, apart from the foul-smelling self-advertisement, it does not smell like anything. By the way, the "signatories" are all like one liberals and loyal followers of the same Michal Sergeich, who rushed under a more reliable wing in time

[tilovaykrisa]

He lives behind a hillock, it is not known what kind of income, he disgraces a great country acting in advertising pizza and suitcases, receives medals for his activities in the collapse of the country, what other reasons are needed?

[mamba]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

Lives over the hill, on what income is unknown

It is known on which: HMS is headed by:
- "Gorbachev Fund", whose main office is located in San Francisco, California. He is engaged in research on the history of perestroika. Funded by the personal funds of the SMS, grants and donations from citizens, companies and international organizations;
- "International Green Cross", which fights for environmental safety, and is financed by 30% from the governments of various states, 40% from corporations, 30% from contributions from national organizations, membership fees and voluntary donations.
March 30, 2011 HMS celebrated its 80th anniversary in London with the Gorbi 80 Gala charity concert in the Royal Albert Hall with the participation of world stars, including Sharon Stone, Kevin Spacey, Scorpions, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Dmitry Hvorostovsky, Andrei Makarevich, Paul Anka, Katherine Jenkins, Shirley Bassey, Brian Ferry, Milla Jovovich, Ted Turner, the London Symphony Orchestra and artists of the Bolshoi Theater. So, he has enough dough.

[grafrozow]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

Lives over the hill, on unknown incomes, dishonors a great country

He gives lectures abroad, Theme-collapse of the USSR, his merit.

[Bezarius]

If Themis defends Gorbachev, then a referendum must be held.

[michajlo]

Good morning dear "Bezarius"! Excuse me, how can I call you by name?
You are completely right! This is the form of expression IS in the Constitution and laws.
It only needs to be consulted with lawyers, for the preparation and submission of the necessary application in the court and the actions of the forgiveness of citizens to protect their constitutional rights.

Since the proposals from the Constitution and the Code of Laws are beautiful, without their application by the people to protect their rights - this is just a piece of paper ...

But besides the call, we must start to do something, since there was already enough talk from below.

- What practical steps should be taken?

- Your opinions and advice, dear forum users?

[alicante11]

Score. At what twice. And at the court to hammer the defendant himself with stones on Red Square. The case has no legal perspective. If you really want to punish the traitor, take the ice ax.

[slaventi]

With wine in the country it’s gorgeous,
Remember standing restructuring.
Gorbach gave us a lot
It's time to put it in the rack!

For ruining the Power
Brought people to poverty.
We’ll find in the bastard we’ll rule,
It's time to understand WE are not cattle.

Judge the bastard by all the people
Let Nuremberg repeat now.
And stop babysitting with a freak
Fuck him a rope dream.

A traitor to the homeland should not
Enjoy a calm life.
Exit one shit laid
Hanged in a noose.


The trial of Gorbachev will be held, but it will be held in free Russia. I hope this time is just around the corner.

[alicante11]

I'm afraid I will disappoint you, but Russia will not see freedom in the near future. Everything is simple here. Whatever the power, it protects Russia. Let and as his little egg. But if a revolution happens, then Russia will simply be torn apart like a frog. As we have seen in Iraq, Yugoslavia and Libya. I would like to be mistaken. But logically, this is the only way.

[alicante11]

Interestingly, the minus is posed as a bad messenger for disappointment or are there any disproving arguments? I repeat, I would not mind making a mistake in this matter.

[Prapor Afonya]

Quote: Denis

According to Starikov, “the people have long since brought the name of Gorbachev MS to the list of traitors. ”

The opinion of the people is not the law

There are no grounds for instituting criminal proceedings against former USSR President Mikhail Gorbachev under the article “Treason to the Homeland”.

They themselves deserve a place on this list.
Where did you come from?

The judges in the Supreme Court are those who rose from the 90s, and in those days they were hardly honest (just knowing this structure by hearsay, most of them took it and take it!), And the hunchbacked one allowed them to do it (not really) , but by their actions on the collapse of the country!

[KGDU10]

Afraid to set a precedent! After all, then you will need to think before you do something! It can be judged by a civil court, publicly, in the Execution Ground !!!

[SPBOBL]

labeled under the COURT !!!

[Goldmitro]

<<< Earlier, "NewsBalt" reported that last spring the public turned to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to deprive the first and last president of the USSR, Mikhail Gorbachev, of the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called. >>>
It is no exaggeration to say that the PEOPLE has already given an assessment of the activities of this Nobel Prize and ... yes, the authorities have to do this and bring him to justice while the spirit is lacking, and moreover, paradoxically, he (this is perceived as a mockery of the people ) was awarded the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called (even if the status of the order would be read before the award)! The truth in this matter, maybe not soon, but still WILL WIN, and the first thing that is advisable to do now is to start a campaign to collect signatures for depriving the "outstanding figure" of this award. The authorities will no longer be able to respond to the public opinion, supported by the opinion of the people, and this will be the first step (but not the last) in restoring historical justice!

[Djozz]

There were no double standards, there was no trial of Stalin, but his power was a criminal, although the people in the majority have a different opinion, and the authorities do not want to judge this rat, spitting on the desire of the people!

[Georgic]

I propose to celebrate the next anniversary on the "Black Dolphin" together with especially dangerous

[Basileus]

Trade Union of Russian Citizens. How does it sound!

[ded10041948]

Sounds i.d.i.o.t.ski! Trade union (professional union) is an association of persons engaged in the same type of activity (having the same or related profession).
How do you imagine such a profession as “citizen of Russia”?

[Ruslandeth]

Loving your homeland, yes, is not a profession. Calling maybe?

[ded10041948]

Loving the Motherland is not a profession but a state of mind. You love your mother and I hope you don’t consider this a profession! And the Motherland, Russia, is the same mother!

[Basileus]

That's what I'm talking about. I almost rushed to look for where to pay my fees in order to become a professional citizen))

[bistrov.]

The fact is that both in Russia and throughout the post-Soviet space, the courts are not independent, but are controlled by the ruling authorities, or make custom decisions for bribes. If Gorbachev is recognized as a criminal, i.e. who has not fulfilled his functions as the President of the USSR, there are legal grounds for the abolition of many existing facts today, the Belovezhskaya Agreement (Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich), the very existence of independent states in the post-Soviet space, the possible restoration of some kind of “union” body, which is a dangerous precedent for today's powers that be, they risk losing everything and turning into criminals themselves. Therefore, the restoration of the USSR is not beneficial to the power structures of any country in the post-Soviet space, it is beneficial only to the common people, in addition, the USA and the European Union are terribly afraid of this and will do anything to would not allow this to happen. We see this today in the example of Ukraine, the United States and the European Union are ready to do almost anything to prevent its entry into the Customs Union and cause a dangerous strengthening of Russia for them. To do this, through their agents of influence, such as Yatsenyuk, Klitschko and many others , including those in power in Ukraine, through the media controlled by them, a campaign has been launched to discredit the Customs Union, and especially Russia and the Russian people, this is how the incident with Ukrainian fishermen in the Sea of ​​Azov is exaggerated and tenaciously presented, where Russian border guards are called pirates, privateers, murderers innocent people, a special film is playing with the crying wives and children of fishermen, the tightening of customs and border controls on the Russian border is presented by interested media as an attempt to put pressure on Ukraine by Russia; on the other hand, emissaries of the European Union and the United States have been frequenting Ukraine, who are already directly promising that In November, an associate membership agreement will be signed with Ukraine; US Ambassador to Ukraine John Tefft was replaced by the more energetic and younger Payatt, who immediately increased pressure on the Ukrainian administration on the issue of European integration. These are just the visible parts of the iceberg. Surely there is still a powerful behind-the-scenes struggle going on, where hidden, invisible levers operate. That is why Gorbachev was not recognized as a criminal.

[Djozz]

The Investigative Committee refused to initiate a criminal case against ex-Minister of Defense Serdyukov, here is the whole “truth” of life."

[Russ69]

There was no hope for our trial. We can only hope for the judgment of history, both according to Gorbaty, and according to EBN and a couple of dozen other names.
Who knows where they sign about the deprivation of the Humpbacked Order.

[Ulysses]

The people passed sentence on the hunchbacked Judas.
And the Supreme Court is not a decree for him.

[1961NNN]

Yes, I don’t care about the people and the court... JUDAS lives and lives! But the great country has been gone for almost 22 years!

[michajlo]

Quote: krpmlws

By refusing an objective assessment of the role of Gorbachev, Yeltsin and co, the court and the government thereby support and whitewash the processes... ... Until this process is started, citizens of the Russian Federation have every right to consider the government and the court illegitimate.

№ 1
Good afternoon dear "krpmlws"! Or what would you like to call you by name?
I completely agree with you and let me add the following:
1.
The question of the LEGAL responsibility of Gorbachev and Yeltsin is very important for ESTABLISHING ALL processes, persons, their steps towards the collapse of the USSR, after it, and conclusions from the trial!
2.
Moreover, I think that the majority of the people are not in favor of the fact that the Court’s decision should be on the DEATH penalty (although such a thing would be very sobering for ALL, without exception, the Sons of the People and the Guarantors of the Constitution).
3.
In my opinion, the main thing in the trial is to prove the GUILT of Gorbachev and the WHOLE PACK OF TRAITORS as PERFORMERS OF THE ORDER for the collapse of the USSR.
4.
In any trial, the Prosecution and Defense are present, Documentary facts are provided and considered, not just words, opinions, statements and much more.
With just these procedures alone, so much “crap” would have come out that, in addition to Gorbachev, the still living and already deceased HEROES of the collapse of the Union would have DROWNED in it, i.e. today's pensioners, politicians, entrepreneurs.
5.
Also, if the Court had come to the conclusion that the collapse of the Union, the signing of the Treaty on New Republics and other legal subtleties, then this would have jeopardized all the anti-national activities of the entire pack of Gorby and Co., directing and leading the “rotten top of the KGB” and most importantly then it would be legally PROVEN. that besides the collapse, ALL TAKEOVER is illegal and CRIMINAL!!!
6.
And what is most DANGEROUS for ALL current authorities in all the heirs of the ex-USSR is that the recognition by the Court as legally ILLEGAL, having no force, all Treaties within the country and also ALL INTERNATIONAL Treaties on the surrender of territories to the USSR, return, admission of guilt to the CPSU CAN BE DOUBT , compensation and other things?! This topic is not easy, but such questions can be raised and SOLVED.

[michajlo]

№2_Continuation
7.
Well, here, against the interests of the people and the BLOOD shed during the collapse of the Union and after it, the question will arise about the criminal liability of ALL still living TRAITORS of the Motherland and PESTS!
8.
And these citizens will number several thousand, not hundreds...
9.
Because, dear ones, do you, even after two decades, still think that the collapse of the Union was the ACTION of just one Traitor to the Motherland?
Who cleverly deceived ordinary party members, all citizens of the country, with sweet speeches.
10.
And which did NOT even arouse suspicion among the top of the KGB???

In my opinion, all of Gorbachev’s anti-people activities were possible ONLY under the LEADERSHIP and SECURITY of the top of the KGB.
11.
In the same way, Yeltsin NEEDS a trial (posthumous) to clarify and clarify his activities and assess the criminal liability of HIS still living assistants, advisers and all the LOOSE!
12.
Just ask a classic question (from ancient Rome), regarding the reason for the REFUSAL of the Courts of all levels in the USSR and Russia to CONSIDER the criminal case for the collapse of the country (except for Gorbachev, the list is VERY large):

- WHO DOES THIS BENEFIT?

13.
The answer to this question will clarify a lot for you, since we all know Gorbachev, because he was greedy for fame, awards and money, but he did not act ALONE.
14.
In the meantime, all citizens will consider Gorbachev alone to be the culprit, ALL other “PERSONS left behind the scenes” will continue to do their dirty deeds WITHOUT OBSTACLES, stealing from the people/sorry, doing business or directly leading countries on the territory of the ex-USSR!

[strange and pretty meaningless]

In short, the current Russian Federation itself is illegitimate. The people of the USSR voted FOR the Union in a referendum. The entire current “state machine” is a pacifier for the duped Soviet people.

[rennim]

Then it comes out as according to M. Zadornov: “There are no mental deviations... JUST DU.. AK!!!”

[pahom54]

The fact that Gorbachev is a traitor is beyond doubt, and the fact that he is subject to the most severe punishment is also beyond doubt. BUT!!! Nomenklatura workers have such a concept: “Clip”... And well, you can’t throw Mishka_marked out of this clip, because it will create a precedent!!! A precedent that allows in the future, by the will of the people (!!!), to punish presidents and others like them who have caused damage to their state and people. And we should not forget that Gorbach did not collapse the Union alone, so what??? Having condemned Gorbachev, then it is necessary to bring to trial all the surviving figures who helped him (or did not oppose him, although they could) in this disgusting business. And this is again a PRECEDENT that no one will allow us to create.

[michajlo]

Dear “NIK”, I’m sorry, I don’t know what to call you by name! This is such a good habit left over from my school days.

This is the PRECENDENT that we, the people, need to CREATE! Otherwise, we are all ordinary citizens, regularly paying taxes, abiding by laws,
- but without money, connections and influence
- for all our SONS of people of all levels - simple!

Because we don’t know how and are AFRAID to defend ourselves.

Well, who respects the weak and who fears them?
Especially if you/the son of the people are taken for a ride in a “cock carrier and protected”, and what is the BITTER twist, what about our PEOPLE’S MONEY/taxes and the country’s income...

[bars280]

Not only Gorbachev needs to be imprisoned, but also all those who took to the streets and staged a coup. You have to blame yourself for this too.

[RBLip]

marked, he is marked. This ghoul needs an aspen stake to keep him from getting up...

[Russ69]

ksan, give me the address where they sign. Nothing is sent via PM.

[Sergey Medvedev]

Russia's Supreme Court: There is no reason to initiate a case of treason against Gorbachev

I think such a decision of the Supreme Court is the basis for bringing the Supreme Court itself to trial.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Sergey Medvedev

I think such a decision of the Supreme Court is the basis for bringing the Supreme Court itself to trial.

[poccinin]

you need to try to collect signatures to initiate a criminal case under Art. TREASON TO THE MOTHERLAND on the website RUSSIAN PUBLIC INITIATIVE A TOTAL OF 100 SIGNATURES ARE NEEDED AND THE DUMA WILL BE FORCED TO CONSIDER THE DEMAND OF RUSSIAN CITIZENS.

[grafrozow]

Misha is already on his way. Moscow-Berlin, goodbye Motherland.

[Shtyn dwarf]

We must not forget that the superiors of our Supreme Court of the Russian Federation are located in the EU. And we are one of the few countries in which international treaties are higher than our laws!

[deman73]

It's high time this asshole was shot in public

[ivshubarin]

Trotsky’s ice ax was also not immediately available. There's still hope

[avia12005]

If you send all the hatred of tens of millions of people to Gorbachev mentally, it will be worse than hell for him. And he knows it. It is not clear why he is still alive.

[explorer]

If you can't hit it head on. And the trial of G. is a frontal attack.
Maybe a roundabout maneuver. Find the weak link: here is the abolition of Article 6 of the Constitution of the USSR - the same may not be all pure....
Yes, even for non-payment of membership fees. But get it...

[mithridate]

Gorbachev was recruited by Western intelligence services. So the KGB either screwed up the USSR or the same traitors let it do its job

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Mithridates

Gorbachev was recruited by Western intelligence services. So the KGB either screwed up the USSR or the same traitors let it do its job

And what - without proposals and recruitment from the West, our stupid people were unable to give birth to the idea of ​​usurping power and national property?

[Max_Bauder]

It seems to me that people who hate their homeland, not just hate, but also act with their actions to harm it and destroy it, should be expelled for good. They say you don’t like it here, maybe you can find somewhere better for you to live.

And so it turns out that he destroyed it, plundered it and lives as if nothing had happened.

And in fair cases in ancient times they were generally executed for treason. In England, for example, in the Middle Ages, such people were gutted, quartered and burned, all together.

But we are humane, we just had to be exiled from the country, so that far from his homeland at the end of his life no one would need him in a foreign country, he would feel what he had done.

And so he lives among his own people, in his homeland, speaks his native language, he does not feel guilty.

[Peaceful military]

And I will add my vote against Gorby and for initiating a criminal case against him.

[tverskoi77]

How to distinguish whether a president/prime minister/minister... of a country is a traitor (potential traitor) or not. You just need to look where his children live.

[Ivanovich47]

Most High Court in Russia-this is the judgment of millions of people, who long ago pronounced a sentence on the former General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee: a criminal and a traitor to the interests of the people. Millions of people in the vast expanses of the former USSR, who became outcasts in their former country, condemn him. And he cannot hide from this verdict of the people either in America or in the European Union.

[Stepnogorets]

bars280 RU Today, 11:47 AM New
Not only Gorbachev needs to be imprisoned, but also all those who took to the streets and staged a coup. You have to blame yourself for this too.
Right! Let him personally answer for withdrawal from the Warsaw Pact and the withdrawal of the Western Group of Forces! But both the capital’s dissident democrats and the brave, half-blind activists from the people on the barricades, who imagine themselves to be heroes and patriots of Russia, must bear responsibility for the collapse!

[shezar]

Over the past 22 years, the attitude towards the participants and opponents of the State Emergency Committee in the “mirror” of the Russian mass media and public opinion has changed more than once - and because the flow of time has brought to the surface many different, including previously unknown, facts; and because subsequent events in their interconnection made it possible to reconstruct with increasing certainty the previous “trajectory of movement”, which, by and large, was and still remains invisible. As a result, we can distinguish three main mythologies, three different “colors” of the State Emergency Committee.
http://jpgazeta.ru/rassledovanija/tri-tsveta-gkchp/
http://jpgazeta.ru/mnenija/moye-19-avgusta/

[Neo1982]

Special operation Gorbachev

[grafrozow]

I read all this, forgive me, I don’t want to go to jail.

[Apollo]

Quote: grafrozow

I read all this, forgive me, I don’t want to go to jail.

In the picture you attached, Gorbachev is crying for Raisa Maksimovna, on the day of her death. Your comment turned out to be absolutely unsuccessful.

[grafrozow]

Quote: Apollon

In the picture you attached, Gorbachev is crying for Raisa Maksimovna, on the day of her death. Your comment was absolutely unsuccessful.

Maybe, but I remember very well the years of his perestroika, coupons and queues, the fight against alcoholism and the daily displays of Raisa Maksimovna’s “valor” on the “Time” program. I’ll tell you honestly, I don’t feel sorry for her, it would have been better if he cried like that when the Union collapsed , when my mother and sister were abroad. Did he feel sorry for us? I remember one of the last interviews with R.M., how she complained about life after M.S.G. left. from the post of president, despite the fact that they were then served by a team of 20 people, drivers, security guards, cooks... and at that time I was working 2 jobs, I had nothing to feed my family. I don’t have anything human for him, and already will not be.

[alone]

That's right Count. you need to hang it upside down to make it easier to spit in your face

[alone]

Russia's Supreme Court: There is no reason to initiate a case of treason against Gorbachev

Well, yes!! What reasons could there be? What did the gorby-tagged do?
1) ruined the country he led, failed to fulfill his official duty
2) destroyed the country’s economy, turning the country’s citizens into beggars
3) destroyed the army, just from the name some were already looking for a mouse hole to hide there.
4) destroyed an entire bloc that opposed NATO and the USA
5) destroyed hundreds of thousands of citizens of his state
6) incited interethnic and ethnic conflicts, with their criminal inactions entire nations became enemies of each other
7) filled his own pockets and his foreign accounts with billions that he stole from his state
etc

Question to the Supreme Court of Russia: WHAT ELSE SHOULD HE HAVE DONE IN ORDER FOR A CRIMINAL CASE TO BE INITIATED AGAINST HIM????????

[krpmlws]

Steal five rubles from grandma at the market...

[NURLAT]

While Putin, Medvedev and other dermacrats are in power, Garbachev will live in freedom and enjoy life, but he will be condemned by the Russian state, but not during his lifetime, which is a pity ((

[Ruslan_F38]

We've been waiting for you Misha...

[family tree]

I'm sad that they screwed up the Empire. The one that Nikolashka began to waste, but the Bolsheviks did not let him waste. Who, in turn, wanted to screw it up in the name of the world revolution, but Stalin did not allow them to do this. They just didn’t cover the rear, and the drain began, as usual, either after Ivan No. 4 or after Peter No. 1. I should shoot the hunchback, of course, but he is not the only one who destroyed the country, there were people before him and after him. Maybe we can remember everyone, right? The Order of St. Andrew the First-Called, in general, comes third according to the statute, but the Saint probably gnashed his teeth when the contempt was awarded to JUDAS by his name.

[Nayhas]

It’s funny to read accusations of treason against the Motherland from those who themselves betrayed it! I once encountered an officer who flatly refused to admit that in 1991 he betrayed the USSR by betraying his military oath, which clearly stated:
“I am always ready, by order of the Soviet Government, to defend my Motherland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and, as a warrior of the Armed Forces, I swear to defend it courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, not sparing my blood and life itself in order to achieve complete victory over enemies.
If I violate this solemn oath of mine, then let me suffer the harsh punishment of Soviet law, universal hatred and contempt of workers."
He denied that there was no order from the Soviet Government, and therefore did not protect the USSR, to which I pushed him into the State Emergency Committee, consisting entirely of members of the USSR Government and published on August 18, 1991. Appeal of the State Emergency Committee to citizens of the USSR. Here are the quotes:
Compatriots! Citizens of the Soviet Union! In a difficult, critical hour for the fate of the Fatherland and our peoples, we turn to you! Mortal danger looms over our great Motherland! ... Taking advantage of the freedoms granted, trampling on the newly emerging shoots of democracy, extremist forces arose that set a course for the liquidation of the Soviet Union, the collapse of the state and the seizure of power at any cost. The results of the national referendum on the unity of the Fatherland have been trampled. ... To remain inactive at this critical hour for the fate of the Fatherland means to take upon oneself heavy responsibility for tragic, truly unpredictable consequences. Everyone who cherishes our Motherland, who wants to live and work in an atmosphere of calm and confidence, who does not accept the continuation of bloody interethnic conflicts, who sees their Fatherland in the future as independent and prosperous, must make the only right choice. We call on all true patriots and people of good will to put an end to the current time of troubles. We call on all citizens of the Soviet Union to realize their duty to the Motherland and provide full support to the State Committee for the State of Emergency in the USSR and efforts to bring the country out of the crisis."
What do you think this is, comrade officers, if not an order to stand up for the defense of the USSR and fulfill this oath?
Enough with the hypocrisy and vilification of Gorbachev, who really committed a lot of crimes, but among them there is no treason, you, by accusing Gorbachev, are simply covering up your betrayal... So let the universal hatred and contempt of the working people befall you, for you were not afraid of the Soviet law...
P.S: when a comrade officer mentioned that there was no order from the Soviet Government to defend the Soviet Motherland, I had a natural question: how did he love his Soviet Motherland so much that he needed an order from the Government to protect it? Those. there is no order, can you not care about her protection?

[Vorkot cat]

Yes, he is a traitor to Russia!

[alone]

he betrayed the entire USSR, not only Russia

[DPN]

Thanks to the betrayal of the hunchback, today's rulers and oligarchs came to power. How can they bring their benefactor under article. And most importantly, by punishing the hunchback, they, the rulers, are putting THEMSELVES at risk. Today's government will not agree to this!!! Who would want to hand over stolen billions to the state treasury for the benefit of the Russian people?

[krpmlws]

Everything is correct, but not only this officer betrayed his Motherland, in fact the entire people turned away from it. The people bought candy wrappers and beads, Coca-Cola and chewing gum, but they didn’t give a damn about their Homeland, “as long as my stove was warm.” Exactly the same situation was in 17, when the Bolsheviks carried out agitation in the army, convincing soldiers against the war and like no one would be sent to the front when the Bolsheviks gained power. And all the soldiers forgot about the Motherland, about the defense of the Holy Fatherland, just like this officer, like everyone else the rest... That's who we are and who to blame but ourselves. We screwed up, betrayed everything that our ancestors created with sweat and blood and that we were obliged to pass on to our descendants. And now we are a fragment of the Russian Empire and we are shaking our heads like on a cold iceberg ashes, we are trying to fit in our head the uncontainable: our Motherland, the USSR, in which we were born and raised and which we could not, did not want to protect, no longer exists.

[Jarserge]

It’s strange that in all structures, and everywhere the commander, captain, leader, and only the head of state is responsible for everything (well, except for Stalin, they hung all the dogs they found on him) there is no corpus delicti... It’s clear, in general, if Gorbachev is officially recognized as a criminal, it will arise immediately a lot of questions about other participants

[grafrozow]

By the way, today is the 22nd anniversary of the August events of 93. There is silence in our media, do they not want to remember or are they afraid of questions? How did it really happen? How did the president of the country end up under house arrest? If the State Emergency Committee found the strength to isolate the president, why didn’t they find the strength to defend themselves? from arrest? Again, in 50 years, the archives will be opened and new historians will spit at each other, finding out who is more truthful. Yes, you can’t understand Russia with your mind.

[Yarosvet]

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[builder]

Gorbachev, like Yeltsin, will soon answer for his sins in the next world.
I am inclined to think that whether to initiate a criminal case against Gorbachev or not to initiate a criminal case is more a political than a legal issue. When making a decision on such an issue, they look at public opinion. What is it like for us at the moment? Not at all -

An online petition to the Russian authorities with a request to deprive Gorbachev of Russia’s highest award was signed by about 8 thousand people.

EIGHT THOUSAND PEOPLE . You don’t need to go to rallies, you don’t need to draw posters... you don’t need to take your eyes off your chair. DISGRACE

[egsp]

I wanted to write, but you all already said everything.

[VadimSt]

Quote: michajlo

- What practical steps should be taken?
- Your opinions and advice, dear forum users?

The highest bearer of state power and sovereignty in the state is the PEOPLE!
Only a national referendum recognizing the actions of the hunchback and Ebanu.... as criminal and anti-people can solve the problem. And, the grounds and procedure for holding a national referendum are prescribed in the Constitution.
Although everything can be decided by the political elite - the State Duma, the President.
He, “shaven with an awl” - Yushchenko, without any referendum, solved the problems of fascist lackeys (Shukhevich, Bandera), and the Holodomor, and genocide.

[Denis]

Quote: VadimSt

Only a popular referendum

Why don't you...? There was a referendum on the fate of the USSR...

[Grieg]

Gorbachev, of course, is a scoundrel and a traitor. And will forever remain so in history. However, favorable conditions for this State Department ... were prepared by his predecessors - apostates from the principles of socialism and communist morality - Khrushchev (Perlmutter) and Brezhnev, who with their entourage turned into Soviet bourgeois. The years of their rule - according to double morality - were not in vain . That is why the Soviet people behaved inertly in 1991-1993. Orchestrated by the CIA, with the active participation of Gorbachev, the provocation of the Emergency Committee, aimed at accelerating the collapse process, looked like an empty, declarative appeal to the people (instead of issuing specific orders to the relevant authorities, troops and party structures). In such a situation, both the military and the civilian population were clever deceived by political swindlers-agents of the West. So there is no need to blame each other for inaction here, but it is better to draw the appropriate conclusions and tell your children and grandchildren about it. And the spotted Judas should be branded with disgrace by voting on the Internet, followed by repeated demands to bring him to justice.

[Mill hill]

Has anyone read "War and Peace"? Do you remember the words about assessing history? Let me remind you: we were talking about the impossibility of correctly assessing the historical process if it is considered as the will of one person. I don’t want to justify Gorbaty, but the soup was ready even before him.

[krpmlws]

There have always been and will be traitors in Rus', the question is why they constantly rise to the top like shit and destroy the state (17g-91g). The system of hereditary monarchy was a serious obstacle for traitors, so the enemies of Russia tried in every possible way to break it and broke it. And then that’s it, the end , our people are weak-willed, they don’t want to defend their homeland of their own free will, only after intensive information processing and with iron discipline from above. Stalin was an exception to the general rule, but any exception only proves this rule. The future of Russia is vague, because whoever can come to power anything and there are no obstacles, there are no barriers for a traitor and you can do anything with Russia, everyone will unanimously vote for him, no one will go out into the street and say no. We do not have an officer corps as the elite of society - there is only an ordinary part of society with everyone his shortcomings, so they are just as easy to manipulate as the rest of the masses, so the officers are just as ready to betray like everyone else (I remember how General Rutskoi in 93 called on the radio for officers to come to the defense of the White House, surrounded by Judases and naturally no one lifted a finger). And a handful of marginalized patriots will be branded, doused with slop, ridiculed, and the people will unanimously throw stones at them (as is currently happening with the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, happened with Primakov, with the Rodina movement, etc.).

[krpmlws]

Patriotic movements can only be advised to concentrate their efforts on ideological work in the army, special forces - these are the key institutions of power on which everything depends (Lenin knew this well, so the Bolsheviks mainly carried out propaganda in the army, targeting it at the soldiers). You can open their eyes, remind us of your duty, organize (the officer needs to give orders, lead him) - we will win.

[KBPC50]

I also sign the petition. Record my voice too.