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Russia's Supreme Court: There is no reason to initiate a case of treason against Gorbachev

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Russia's Supreme Court: There is no reason to initiate a case of treason against GorbachevAccording to the historian Starikov, “the people have long since brought the name of Gorbachev MS to the list of traitors. ”


There are no grounds for initiating a criminal case against the former USSR President Mikhail Gorbachev under the article “Treason to the Motherland”. This conclusion follows from the response of the Russian Supreme Court to the representative of the Trade Union of Russian Citizens, Daria Dedova, who applied first to the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, then to the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation and the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, and then to the courts.

The historian Nikolai Starikov writes in his blog:

In January, 2012, the Trade Union of Russian Citizens, on behalf of millions of people in the post-Soviet space, appealed to the judicial authorities of the Russian Federation with a request to consider giving a legal assessment of the activities of the former USSR President Gorbachev, MS

We wanted and want a person who destroyed a great power, violating the oath of the president of the USSR, whoever brought suffering to tens of millions of Union citizens, was called not “an outstanding figure”, but was called legal language in quite different words.

The petition of a member of the PGR, Darya Dedova, who applied first to the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, then to the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation and the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, has come a long way through the courts. We spent a year and a half trying to force the court to reconsider the criminal case of the former president of the USSR, initiated in 1991 under the article “For treason against the motherland”.

We passed the district and city courts, in which we received the formal replies. They also appealed to the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation, which gave a lengthy conclusion that Daria Dedova, a member of the PGR, did not say anything new about Gorbachev’s unlawful acts in his statement. Such a formulation indirectly proves that the judges do not deny that the listed facts in the application of Dedova DA there were places to be. And while the servants of Themis see no reason to review and resume criminal prosecution of Gorbachev!

As if there were no millions of broken destinies. As if there were no bloody wars in the Transcaucasus, Moldova and Tajikistan. As if there was no collapse of the army. As if the gold reserves of the USSR were not "lost". As if the Motherland was not lost.

The lawyer of the PHR, Mikhail Gerasimov, prepared a supervisory appeal addressed to the chairman of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation, Vyacheslav Mikhailovich Lebedev. The complaint once again stated the reasons why the PGR requires a legal assessment of the activities of MS Gorbachev. as president.

The other day Daria Dedova received a response from the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation, signed by the deputy. Chairman of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation A.A. Tolkachenko. Having considered the arguments of the supervisory appeal, the minister of Themis considered that there were no grounds for canceling the previous decision of the judge of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation.

According to Starikov, “the people have long since brought the name of Gorbachev MS to the list of traitors. ”

“But we don’t crave blood,” noted the historian. - We, now living in Russia and not wanting to leave anywhere, need to know the truth about who and what caused the collapse of such a powerful Power as the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Millions of people living in the post-Soviet space are waiting for a fair legal assessment of the criminal acts of MS Gorbachev.

Earlier, NewsBalt reported that last spring the public appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to deprive the first and last USSR President Mikhail Gorbachev of the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called. Among those who signed the appeal are political scientists Modest Kolerov and Tatyana Poloskova, director of the Institute of Globalization and Social Movements Boris Kagarlitsky, member of the Public Chamber of Russia Georgy Fedorov and many others. As a result, an online petition to the authorities of the Russian Federation with a request to deprive Gorbachev of the highest award of Russia was signed by about 8 thousand people.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 19 August 2013 07: 03
    42
    According to Starikov, “the people have long since brought the name of Gorbachev MS to the list of traitors. ”
    The opinion of the people is not the law
    There are no grounds for instituting criminal proceedings against former USSR President Mikhail Gorbachev under the article “Treason to the Homeland”.
    They themselves deserve a place on this list.
    Where did you come from?
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 19 August 2013 07: 25
      66
      Refusal of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation to initiate a criminal case against M. Gorbachev. shows what a "fair trial" we have, dependent not only on the authorities, but also on Gorbachev's defenders in the West and in the United States.
      Gorbachev M.S. After all, he himself admitted (in a number of his speeches, including a speech in Istanbul at an American university) that he purposefully “walked” the career ladder in the CPSU to “break down the communist system in the USSR and liquidate the CPSU.
      Gorbachev M.S. violated the Constitution of the state, which gave the obligation to honestly serve.
      Who in Russia after such decisions of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation will believe in the continuity and honesty of the Russian court?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 August 2013 08: 16
        37
        Quote: vladimirZ
        but also from Gorbachev’s defenders in the West and in the USA

        Of course, it’s hard even to imagine how the west will start screaming if a case is brought against Hunchback. He will be granted political asylum by the whole west.
        1. Vrungel78
          Vrungel78 19 August 2013 09: 08
          16
          It is regrettable that this is still one of the reasons for the official authorities to refuse to tear the humpback on rags. Our politicians (officials) have all kinds of bravado, there are many false pride for their homeland, etc., only when it comes to making the right, fundamental, serious decisions in this case, right away in the bushes, at the same time at @ oops overseas gentlemen there is a reason to look .
        2. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 19 August 2013 09: 19
          12
          he’ll start screaming west if a case is brought against Hunchback. The whole west will give him political asylum. They love such people there

          If the case was opened, then the first is a non-departure subscription. His refuge - on Solovki and Serdyukov there too!
          Yes, however, I think he will be glad in any colony!
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 19 August 2013 09: 58
            +5
            Yeah, subscription. Embassies of the USA are at hand. As soon as fried would smell, no subscription would prevent him from taking refuge there.
          2. Gari
            Gari 19 August 2013 11: 03
            15
            Quote: Starover_Z
            If the case was opened, then the first is a non-departure subscription.

            Second Fair Sentence
            Treason Homeland
            Article 64 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR
            “Cheating on the Motherland, that is, an act intentionally committed by a citizen of the USSR to the detriment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity or state security and defense of the USSR: switching to the enemy’s side, espionage, issuing state or military secrets to a foreign state, fleeing abroad or refusing to return from abroad in the USSR, rendering assistance to a foreign state in conducting hostile activities against the USSR, as well as a conspiracy to seize power,
            Shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of ten to fifteen years with confiscation of property or

            DEATH PENALTY

            with confiscation of property. ”
            1. Doctor Evil
              Doctor Evil 19 August 2013 13: 48
              +9
              Exactly! On a stake to Judas! Remember "perestroika"? This is not a perestroika, but a real COUNTER-REVOLUTION!
              1. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 19 August 2013 17: 39
                10
                hi
                If all the wishes for this Judah came true, then instead of a satanic mark on his forehead, he would have long grown ...
                1. Apologet.Ru
                  Apologet.Ru 19 August 2013 17: 45
                  +1
                  hi
                  In general, it’s time for all these Traitors of the Homeland - Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich to declare ANATHEM
                  - the excommunication of a Christian from fellowship with the faithful and from the sacraments, used as the highest church punishment for grave transgressions (primarily for treason against Orthodoxy and evasion of heresy or schism and proclaimed collectively -
                  in all the Orthodox churches of the former Union
                  and rank the Children of Satanic ...
                  1. shpuntik
                    shpuntik 19 August 2013 23: 48
                    +2
                    As if the gold reserves of the USSR were not “lost”.

                    Apologet.Ru UA Today, 17:45 ↑
                    In general, it’s time for all these Traitors of the Homeland - Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich to declare ANATHEM

                    With such a "roof" as Gorbachev's, he can only anathema and sing - no one else will do anything. Yes, and anathema for the apostate heretic Christians, and this leader apparently never was.
                    “The first published news of M. Gorbachev’s belonging to free masons appeared on February 1, 1988 in the German small-circulation magazine Mer Licht (More Light). Similar information is published in the New York newspaper New Russian Word (December 4, 1989). However, the most compelling evidence of Gorbachev's belonging to Freemasonry is his close contacts with the leading representatives of the world Masonic government and the entry into the membership of one of the main mondialist structures - the Trilateral Commission. The mediator between Gorbachev and the Trilateral Commission was the well-known financial businessman, mason and agent of the Israeli Mossad secret service, J. Soros, who formed the so-called Soros — Soviet Union Foundation in 1987, from which the Soviet-American Cultural Initiative fund later grew. ”

                    http://nnm.me/blogs/ashkaa777/masony-sozdali-ssha-no-proigrali-fevralskuyu-revol
                    yuciyu /

                    [media = http: //rodrus.com/news/news_1299081866.html]
                    1. shpuntik
                      shpuntik 20 August 2013 00: 33
                      +2
                      Moysha Garber Awarded Bush Freemasonry Freemasonry Medal

                      And here's another from the series: for the "dedicated", a rare frame - the issue of the magazine, published in few places.
                      But, in my opinion, a specific document, it is difficult to get away from it:

                      http://gvizdivtsi.org.ua/перестройка-или-что-это-было/
        3. GSH-18
          GSH-18 19 August 2013 09: 25
          16
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Of course, it’s hard even to imagine how the west will start screaming if a case is brought against Hunchback. He will be granted political asylum by the whole west.

          Naturally! He's actually their agent. The damage inflicted by this "activist" is comparable to a major military defeat! am
        4. Tersky
          Tersky 19 August 2013 09: 35
          25
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          They love there

          Sasha hi! This toad abomination sacrificed its people - "for many people around the world." In England, adored by this "spotted globe", in which he pompously met his ninth decade, for a desire to undermine the foundations of the state, you can get ten life sentences. In our country, Judas, cursed both by people and by heaven, is still healthy and advises, advises ... It is difficult to imagine a greater shame and insult for the people and the whole country. Once Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Christ, repented, returned 30 pieces of silver and found the courage to hang himself. This one is unlikely to climb into the loop - the intestine is thin.
          1. mamba
            mamba 19 August 2013 09: 59
            +7
            Quote: Tersky
            This one is unlikely to climb into the loop - the gut is thin.

            Also, ambitions obscuring reality from him are unmeasured. wassat Remember how he arrogantly ignored his 1,5% rating when he stood for president of the Russian Federation in 1996. That, they say, for me these ratings, I do not believe them and still win or even run. As a result, I scored three times less than the rating - 0,51%. tongue
            True, then EBN allowed the election commission to calculate the real number of votes cast by the HMS - 386.069.
          2. Proud.
            Proud. 19 August 2013 10: 06
            +3
            Quote: Tersky
            This toad abomination sacrificed its people

            I saw a demotivator, where Gorbachev with such an expression on his face. At the bottom there was an inscription: "I want to ... be!" (In the sense, out of great need). laughing
          3. Apollo
            19 August 2013 10: 47
            11
            Quote: Tersky
            It is difficult to imagine greater shame and insult for the people and the whole country.


            Who could have thought ?! Alas, they did not discern M. Gorbachev, his native US flag, behind his birthmark.
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 19 August 2013 16: 01
              +5
              Quote: Apollon
              Alas, they did not discern M. Gorbachev’s birthmark, his native US flag.

              Apollo, hi ! That's right, in those years the majority looked into his mouth ...
          4. Gari
            Gari 19 August 2013 10: 52
            14
            Quote: Tersky
            Once Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Christ, repented, returned 30 pieces of silver and found the courage to hang himself. This one is unlikely to climb into the loop - the gut is thin.

            Himself certainly will not climb, it will be necessary to help
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 19 August 2013 12: 33
              +7
              Quote: Gari
              Himself certainly will not climb, it will be necessary to help

              There is no problem, but before this the COURT, where his sins will be carefully and lucidly explained to him ..
              1. Denis
                Denis 20 August 2013 19: 59
                +2
                Quote: Tersky
                but before that COURT
                The court is the court ...
                Who are the judges? The classic also wrote. This is not a classic about them:
                ”... The camp is under the control of the Russian secret police. German traitors help her, ”says prisoner Erich Hartmann in a letter home. - Among them there is one German military judge, who is afraid of Russians to convulsions, but is nevertheless doing his job reasonably. The rest are mostly political pigs and traitors ... They call themselves "Antifa". When closely examined, they turn out to be former SS doctors, leaders of the Hitler Youth, commanders of the SA and the like trash. I don’t know what the Russians are going to do with them.Yesterday they betrayed us, and tomorrow they will betray the new owners. Such people must be kept in hell. ”
                It has long been written, but word for word about that
          5. strange and pretty meaningless
            strange and pretty meaningless 19 August 2013 11: 43
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            Quote: Tersky
            This one is unlikely to climb into the loop - the gut is thin.

            Yes, its intestinal loops will rot along with its worms. Ropes feel sorry for this slug. But the present Judas ...

            "... the servant of Themis considered that there are no grounds for canceling the previous decision of the judge of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation."

            Duc still - the "minister" receives thirty pieces of silver every month. What a cancellation request

            "... the public appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to deprive ... Gorbachev of the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called ...."

            wassat ahh ... Well, what about ours? Dad. Chosen by the People ...
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 19 August 2013 12: 19
              12
              Quote: abyrvalg
              "... the public turned to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to deprive ... Gorbachev of the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called .... ahh ... Well, what about Ours? Dad. Chosen by the People ..."

              First of all, the ROC should be outraged, the presentation of the order with the face of the apostle to the nit and the traitor, or whether there is an outrage against Orthodoxy ... and there they closed their mouths - "Not a drop by" ...
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 19 August 2013 13: 01
                12
                So the ROC will be the first mountain behind humpback. This is when priests had such limousines under the Soviet regime and expensive watches? So he is not for them, but just an apostle.
              2. kavkaz8888
                kavkaz8888 20 August 2013 00: 33
                +5
                Do not bother the ROC. She is indignant (hesitating) only together with the party’s general line.
            2. Theophanes
              Theophanes 19 August 2013 13: 42
              10
              Ebts-dead, hunchback-dies with thirty pieces of silver in the throat! And the people’s memory doesn’t spit on him like today. Well, who are the judges? Those who are now in enti positions due to bald and ebts got. So it’s against the wind .... somehow they can’t get it. Yes, and the rollback does not shine for them. But Themis doesn’t work without a rollback - it’s not a man for a bag of rotten potatoes for 19 years. Serdyuk with a harem paid off to see, and everyone else, money, either walk on the shores of the middle sea or come under the administration. So one hope is for the memory of the people and hatred of the ghoul marked and hunchbacked! Nehai liberians are kissing him with ... And!
          6. Sandov
            Sandov 19 August 2013 14: 44
            +6
            Quote: Tersky
            This one is unlikely to climb into the loop - the gut is thin.


            Who would help him.
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 19 August 2013 16: 09
              +5
              Quote: Sandov
              Who would help him.

              The time will come, help .... impunity is not endless.
          7. bastard
            bastard 20 August 2013 01: 23
            -1
            Just do not again about Jewish folk tales (Judas, Christ ...) already tired!
        5. Val_y
          Val_y 19 August 2013 14: 39
          +8
          I think that all the same, they will institute proceedings and strip all state awards, both Soviet and post-Soviet, but posthumously. Indeed, they will not begin to debunk him now, but it’s a pity, I wanted this PASKUDU (let the moderators excuse me) to publicly debunk him, deforest all the regalia and send him to Magadan (he will not cut down the forest for health, well, at least clean the potatoes in the galley until death)
        6. Sandov
          Sandov 19 August 2013 14: 41
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: vladimirZ
          but also from Gorbachev’s defenders in the West and in the USA

          Of course, it’s hard even to imagine how the west will start screaming if a case is brought against Hunchback. He will be granted political asylum by the whole west.


          So the humpback in Germany was attached, one little campaign with EBN.
      2. krasin
        krasin 19 August 2013 08: 27
        21
        In order to go further and determine the national idea, one must put all the points in the historical segment of the collapse of the USSR. Who is Gorbachev and who is Yeltsin.
        Without such a definition, we are marking time.
        1. ksan
          ksan 19 August 2013 10: 49
          +6
          Yes, we are not marking time. Russia is moving forward, maybe not as fast as we would like. But in what you are certainly right "to put an end to the historical segment of the collapse of the USSR." And the role of Gorbachev as the first person in the country in this collapse. I think the Supreme Court simply does not have the courage to even initiate a case on the "fact of the collapse of the country," especially when the "top officials" of the country present him (Gorbachev) with the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called, which is being awarded, I will process position::
          1. The Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called is the highest state award of the Russian Federation.

          2. The Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called is awarded to outstanding statesmen and public figures and other citizens of the Russian Federation for their exceptional merits that contribute to the prosperity, greatness and glory of Russia.

          3. The Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called may be awarded for outstanding services to the Russian Federation by heads and heads of governments of foreign states.
          As we can see, Gorbachev does not correspond to one of the indicated "provisions", or maybe it is now Medvedev's personal order and he, at his discretion, "distributes" it to everyone he likes? Or maybe you can apply to the International Court of Justice? Let them evaluate the activities of Judushka-Gorby, although I doubt that there will be any use. I am not a lawyer, but I can "consider" the grounds for presenting the highest award of Russia to Gorbachev and Medvedev's justification of Gorbachev's "merits" to Russia.
          1. kotvov
            kotvov 19 August 2013 19: 12
            +2
            do not you think that you yourself answered the question of who he is and who they are.
        2. Very old
          Very old 20 August 2013 07: 22
          +3
          Vladimir, read ALL comments. 99,9% - to judge. And the question arises: is it our people's power? And does she listen to the opinion of the people?
      3. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 19 August 2013 09: 35
        +5
        "The Supreme Court of Russia: There are no grounds to initiate a case of treason against Gorbachev" - who would have expected a different decision, but now on the news feeds - a businessman - Kommersant learned about the first refusal of the Main Military Investigation Directorate (GVSU) of the TFR to initiate a criminal case, the defendants of which could be ex-Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov, as well as his favorite, former director of the education department of the military department Yekaterina Priezzheva.
        Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2258739
      4. smersh70
        smersh70 19 August 2013 10: 03
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        Quote: vladimirZ
        Gorbachev M.S. violated the Constitution of the state, which gave the obligation to honestly serve.



        Since 1992, a criminal case has been instituted against Gorbachev by the Prosecutor's Office of Azerbaijan on the fact of the murder of 134 citizens in January 1990 ...... so it is better to bring this case to an end .. hi
      5. V. Salama
        V. Salama 19 August 2013 15: 37
        +6
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Gorbachev M.S. After all, he himself admitted (in a number of his speeches, including a speech in Istanbul at an American university) that he purposefully “walked” the career ladder in the CPSU to “break down the communist system in the USSR and liquidate the CPSU.
        Even as General Secretary, Gorbachev was never a communist (an undefined concept is defined through a set of axioms), he was a "reborn", like most of the elite at that time. Membership in the party gave this riffraff the opportunity to move up the career ladder and that's it. He acted according to the circumstances in his personal interests and was a hostage of these circumstances - a toy in the hands of the "architect of perestroika". That does not absolve him of his guilt in treason. However, here he was lying, I think. What a leader he is, even in the destruction of the country, a cowardly chatterbox. Perhaps Raisa was aware of her true goals. And in the lectures it was necessary to justify himself with something that he did not just go with the flow, he was awarded for these actions by the adversaries, but he had nothing to do with it, so he sculpted a hunchback - again he acted as "alozhnik of circumstances."
        Here's what seems strange to me, why did Starikov turn all the arrows only to Gorbachev? He is a historian, supposedly, so he must be capable of analyzing the historical situation of recent years, but this analysis is clearly one-sided. One gets the feeling that they want to take us away once again, "let off steam", defining a "scapegoat". This muddy publicist, contradictory, although he knows how to speak beautifully and convincingly, but always "two to two does not converge."
      6. VkadimirEfimov1942
        VkadimirEfimov1942 19 August 2013 16: 28
        +5
        Members of the RF Armed Forces are afraid to condemn Gorbachev, since many of them silently (out of fear) accepted Gorbachev's betrayal and Yeltsin's drunken actions. Our Soviet "elite" immediately "fussed in advance" at the microphones in support of the armed seizure of power. What a shame it was to hear this verbiage! Therefore, we cannot wait for a fair trial of this Judas. I fully support Daria Starikova - let the people know and be afraid not to forget the "birthday people" of the shameful past ...
      7. BotaniQ
        BotaniQ 19 August 2013 20: 15
        +1
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Who in Russia after such decisions of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation will believe in the continuity and honesty of the Russian court?


        And who else believes? good
    2. Edward72
      Edward72 19 August 2013 08: 11
      14
      Well then, the sun should be dispersed once they think so.
      1. Airman
        Airman 19 August 2013 08: 59
        12
        Quote: Edward72
        Well then, the sun should be dispersed once they think so.

        Without the command of FAS from above, neither the Supreme Court, nor the Constitutional Courts, as well as the Investigative Committee, will lift a finger. And if you condemn the hunchback, then a precedent will be created, and it will be possible to condemn both EBN and the LADY.
      2. yak69
        yak69 19 August 2013 09: 02
        +8
        Dreams Dreams.
        We can only dream about this. Never in my life will any of the current rulers take this step!
        For today's authorities, this will mean a death sentence and damnation forever! Have you seen somewhere that someone himself, with his own hand, consciously signed the death sentence ?!
        But it is right that such an attempt was made. It is necessary for this Judas to know what the people devoted to him think about him. And also, so that those who are in power today understand that retribution can overtake every "infallible and untouchable". This is a powerful signal for thought for all traitors and scoundrels.
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 19 August 2013 09: 22
          10
          We can only dream about this. Never in my life will any of the current rulers take this step!

          They, the rulers of the CIS, probably have an unwritten law - if you plant the previous one today, then you can sit YOURSELF tomorrow! So do not touch YOUR!
        2. elmi
          elmi 19 August 2013 12: 31
          +8
          And also, so that those who are in power today understand that retribution can overtake every "infallible and untouchable". This is a powerful signal for thought for all traitors and scoundrels.

          These traitors and bastards live happily ever after in the west and do not blow their whiskers. What are the traitors in power afraid of if they can quickly shed the West? Is that why our government is so zealously striving to achieve a visa-free regime with the West? what if in which case quickly slip away for the cordon.
    3. DEMENTIY
      DEMENTIY 19 August 2013 09: 07
      48
      I promise to post the results vlichkku!
      1. SPBOBL
        SPBOBL 19 August 2013 23: 19
        +1
        why not a couple of times "plus" to press ???
    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 19 August 2013 09: 32
      +3
      Quote: Denis
      The opinion of the people is not the law

      you are wrong, in the opinion of the people you would need to slap a pusyak, but there is no such article in the law, idiots from Rzhev, generally they would put on a stake, judges rely on written laws.
      and humpback like Judah will go down in history forever and ever
      1. Denis
        Denis 20 August 2013 00: 50
        +3
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        judges rely on written laws
        Often, if not always, they themselves wrote. The law and those who defend it are on their side. Even if people are outraged, they hope to have time to slip away where the head is now with a patch
        And how can they blame if many, if not all, crawled out with him?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 20 August 2013 09: 37
          0
          there will always be dissatisfied with a court decision, ALWAYS, this is not a hunchback issue.
          and about him personally it’s too late now, and then the second Judas, who was drunk instead of the investigation, shared the inheritance
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  3. omsbon
    omsbon 19 August 2013 07: 06
    37
    A stake or a loop is the whole choice for Judah! The hunchbacked people have long been sentenced to the highest degree!
    1. an-sar
      an-sar 19 August 2013 07: 44
      17
      Mister "Gorby" like Judas has to commit suicide !!!!
    2. My address
      My address 19 August 2013 08: 24
      18
      Best wishes to Dzerzhinsky. Andrew, allow me to add?
      If Gorbachev is convicted, an incident will happen. Not long ago, DAM, who was president, awarded Judas the order of A. Pervozvanny. To condemn it is to show who the DAME is.
      1. matross
        matross 19 August 2013 10: 41
        +7
        Quote: My address
        When condemning Gorbachev, an incident will happen.

        You're right. The incident will happen. But in another. Gorbachev changed the homeland - the USSR. And could be brought to justice under the laws of the USSR. But not the USSR, nor its laws anymore. This does not mean that Judas must go unpunished. He can and should be deprived of all state awards and honorary titles of the Russian Federation and his activities should be given a public assessment by the authorities and society, in the new history textbooks the role of a traitor should be clearly reflected! It will be a verdict of history, worse than formal condemnation!
      2. ksan
        ksan 19 August 2013 11: 10
        +8
        It is not necessary to dwell on the "first" failure, it is necessary to continue "hammering" this "topic" in different "instances" Maybe then the LADY will understand that the Order of St. Andrew is not his personal "page in social networks" where you can use your photos and "conclusions "to share with the whole world. A person has absolutely no" understanding "and" feeling "of the country and the feelings of the people.
    3. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 19 August 2013 09: 23
      +6
      If so, then definitely on the COL of Judah!
  4. Ruslandeth
    Ruslandeth 19 August 2013 07: 08
    34
    First, Mishka is not responsible for the collapse of the USSR as a state; he is responsible for the collapse of the ideological and economic foundation of our Motherland. And, I think, to the fore, at least initially, it was not "betrayal" that came out, but rather stupidity and incompetence. It smelled of betrayal as soon as Humpback was made to shake hands in the Western political get-together.

    For the collapse in the answer, Yeltsin and his drinking companions in Bialowieza ...

    Secondly, no one will judge Gorbachev, Yeltsin and their teams under the current government in any other way. For this, a revolution must occur.


    To recognize the actions of Gorby and Yeltsin as illegal or treacherous is to open a "pandora's box", since it jeopardizes the de facto "legitimacy" of the privatization processes of the 1990s and the divorce of the union republics.

    With my respect to V. Putin, this is impossible in the light of the fusion of the "new Russian" government and big business. Although if this had been done, Putin would have gone down in history as a new dictator in the West and as a man of the highest justice in the ex-USSR.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 19 August 2013 08: 06
      15
      In the 30s they did not engage in such nonsense as clarifying stupidity, or intent. The main thing is that the result is the same.
      1. explorer
        explorer 19 August 2013 09: 17
        +7
        Quote: Avenger711
        Firstly, Mishka is not responsible for the collapse of the USSR as a state; he is responsible for the collapse of the ideological and economic foundation of our Motherland.

        That is, the terrorist is not responsible for undermining the house, he is only responsible for installing an explosive device and pressing a button. And the house itself fell apart - the drunk house manager is to blame.
        1. Ruslandeth
          Ruslandeth 19 August 2013 09: 32
          +8
          And who takes responsibility from him?

          It just means that it would be incorrect to put everything on Gorbachev. I am in favor of an honest and impartial trial of the entire gang-leika political, financial and military "illite" 1985-2012
          1. Gur
            Gur 19 August 2013 13: 09
            +5
            Here I agree with you, BUT the first should be Humpbacked (I said Humpbacked), and this should be a precedent, and then when he starts to testify, then there will be confrontations and to each of the servants. Only who will plant them (the greater half are monuments or tombstones) and their children either rule us or over the hill. Well, you and I (if you were already a conscious person) will have to answer for our tacit consent. (I am ready to work for a month for free)))
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 19 August 2013 11: 13
        +4
        Quote: Avenger711
        such nonsense as asking stupidity, or intent

        stupidity can be "cured" in addition, you can transfer to another job where a person will be in his place, and intent is completely different
    2. elmi
      elmi 19 August 2013 12: 54
      +6
      Secondly, to judge or otherwise "give a legal assessment" to Gorbachev, Yeltsin and their teams under the current government no one will. For this, a revolution must happen.

      That's right!
      With the seemingly strong current government, it is soft, weak. Strong opposition is enough for the opposition to plant and take timid steps against America (Snowden case)
      Whoever is lazy about Russia is "wiping their feet", even the small Baltic countries do not hesitate to slander Russia, and our power is limited only by protests. You can enumerate for a long time the unrequited humiliations caused not only by the West but also by the former republics of the USSR, I see that our government is not particularly patriotic and does not care about its own people. This can be seen from the example of Belarus. There Lukashenko really holds everything in his hands, as a result there is order , despite the fact that Belarus does not have as many natural resources as we do. For me, it would be better if Lukashenko would be our president at the same time Russia and Belarus would be one country.
  5. Oskar
    Oskar 19 August 2013 07: 11
    29
    As if there were no millions of broken destinies. As if there were no bloody wars in the Transcaucasus, Moldova and Tajikistan. As if there was no collapse of the army. As if the gold reserves of the USSR were not "lost". As if the Motherland was not lost.
    For them, these are not arguments. The fact that for us losses are gains for them. we look from different bells.
    1. Gur
      Gur 19 August 2013 13: 14
      +5
      No respected here "we look from different bell towers." does not fit, there is another system, a roost system, who is higher and right (and if you want in chocolate) the rest are wrong as they go down (or easier in shit). And if by the same analogy, then for them the argument is a skewer in the ass, then they start crowing differently.
  6. Atenon
    Atenon 19 August 2013 07: 11
    16
    Interestingly, then what needs to be done to become a traitor to the Motherland if its collapse and sale of interests are not considered? He would be buried after death for his services to the Motherland in a landfill along with Yeltsin.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 August 2013 08: 17
      27
      Quote: AtenON
      It’s interesting, then what needs to be done to become a traitor to the Motherland,

      Throw a grenade at the Chubais motorcade.
      1. Gur
        Gur 19 August 2013 13: 17
        +6
        What is such a betrayal? This is a feat !!! I would myself Chubais, but I’m far from keen, and he does not go to us. Is that to return to their historical homeland?
        1. Val_y
          Val_y 19 August 2013 14: 56
          +4
          This is it about GRU Colonel Vladimir Vasilievich Kvachkov (accused of treason and attempted murder for attempted assassination)
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 19 August 2013 16: 05
        +8
        Quote: AtenON
        It’s interesting, then what needs to be done to become a traitor to the Motherland

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Throw a grenade at the Chubais motorcade.
        Sasha No. optionally, enough born with the surname Kvachkov and rose to the rank of GRU Colonel of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia ....
      3. strange and pretty meaningless
        strange and pretty meaningless 20 August 2013 03: 19
        +3
        Plusanul, but you said it inaccurately. For the "cortege" Kvachkova still opgavali. And 13,5 was soldered to the colonel for "organizing rebellion and terrorism." "According to the FSB, Kvachkov and his comrades-in-arms planned to seize weapons in several military units, and then organize a campaign against Moscow, the purpose of which was to seize power." Neither more nor less.
  7. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 19 August 2013 07: 11
    17
    Well done D.A. DEDOVA!
    Even though the facts and events of failure to fulfill their constitutional duties as President of the USSR took place, no one ... and will never go to the trial of the "humpbacked Judoshka"! Judging Gorbachev is to provide the prerequisites for such lawsuits. This will be a precedent with far-reaching consequences.
    And how "can one judge" THE BEST GERMAN "..." THE PERSON OF THE YEAR IN THE USA "..." THE NOBEL WINNER OF THE WORLD "... without the consent of the Amers ... and they will not give their consent to this.
  8. Oskar
    Oskar 19 August 2013 07: 17
    13
    Ice axes are few with us, or what?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 August 2013 08: 18
      +7
      Quote: Oskar
      Ice axes are few with us, or what?

      there are ice axes, only hands grow out of the wrong place.
      1. Oskar
        Oskar 19 August 2013 09: 40
        0
        Yes, and they pretty much shortened.
        1. Gur
          Gur 19 August 2013 13: 25
          +5
          Come on, we have everything, and the arms and length of the arms are suitable, people don’t want another, that this stinking cesspool didn’t stain you when you hit it with your shit. Not an exit is an ice ax, not an exit, it is necessary to judge him, him and accomplices. That in history this fact would be fixed as a warning to the Jews.
          1. Colonel
            Colonel 19 August 2013 17: 45
            +2
            Ice axes are few with us, or what?

            And there are ice axes and hands, but neither Stalin I.V. nor Sudoplatova P.A.
  9. koksalek
    koksalek 19 August 2013 07: 18
    15
    Sorry, so sorry. The authorities again showed that the country for them is a bargaining chip
    1. Airman
      Airman 19 August 2013 09: 20
      +6
      Quote: koksalek
      Sorry, so sorry. The authorities again showed that the country for them is a bargaining chip

      If the Supreme Court has not found reasons to initiate a case, then it is necessary to initiate a case against the composition of the court for concealing a crime. Our "incorruptible" Themis remained blindfolded and tied hands, all the people SEE and KNOW, but they do not.
      1. Oskar
        Oskar 19 August 2013 09: 43
        +3
        But who will excite? It’s like in a joke: you don’t like my CEC, so file it with me in my court.
      2. michajlo
        michajlo 19 August 2013 11: 41
        +4
        Good morning, dear "Air Defense"! How can I call you by name?
        There are many legal opportunities, a knowledgeable lawyer can advise how to properly execute "Application to initiate a criminal case against the judiciary", for their unwillingness to consider the applications already repeatedly filed (1991, 2011, etc.).

        Probably still it's time to begin practical implementation !?

        Or settle down to one exchange of opinions and conversations / empty arguments without consequences?
  10. APASUS
    APASUS 19 August 2013 07: 21
    13
    How much time has passed and the West supports it all - a valuable agent!
    Otherwise, they leaked for a long time ..........
    1. elmi
      elmi 19 August 2013 13: 05
      +5
      Quote: APASUS
      The West supports it all - a valuable agent!

      Not only him, but obviously those who do not allow him, Chubais, Serdyukov and others, are not honored to judge.
      Otherwise, perhaps they would have been sitting long ago.
  11. Humpty
    Humpty 19 August 2013 07: 25
    14
    If there is no legal reason to consider the hunchbacked as a traitor, then the law is imprisoned to justify the villains. The question is who is standing guard over such a law.
    1. mamba
      mamba 19 August 2013 09: 30
      +7
      Quote: Humpty
      If there is no legal reason to consider the hunchbacked as a traitor, then the law is imprisoned to justify the villains. The question is who is standing guard over such a law.

      The very villains who created it for themselves stand on guard of such a law.
  12. vitek1233
    vitek1233 19 August 2013 07: 30
    +9
    In my opinion, Gorbachev is a traitor. And who are the judges?
    1. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 19 August 2013 08: 01
      23
      Quote: vitek1233
      .And who are the judges?

      The painting is called Skinning a Corrupt Judge. Valorous judges expect just such a procedure.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 August 2013 08: 19
        13
        Quote: Andrey from Tver
        The painting is called "Skinning a Corrupt Fate.

        No-this is the style of the civilized west, we just hang and everything, without atrocities
  13. dirty trick
    dirty trick 19 August 2013 07: 31
    +9
    sorry. I hope that Starikov and the Trade Union of Citizens of Russia will continue to seek truth in this Judah. I believe that for history and future generations a clear, legally justified definition of the fact that humpback is a TRADER is really necessary!
  14. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 19 August 2013 07: 33
    11
    -Mommy! Is Uncle Lenin Bad?
    - Bad, son, bad.
    -And uncles Stalin, Khrushev and Brezhnev?
    - Bad, son, bad.
    -And Uncle Yeltsin?
    -And uncles Gorbachev and Putin?
    - Wait, son. We will die, we will know.
    1. Ruslandeth
      Ruslandeth 19 August 2013 07: 51
      +1
      Thank you) Very subtle humor
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 August 2013 08: 20
      +6
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      - Wait, son. We will die, we will know.

      Well, Yeltsin died and cho?
      1. fedorovith
        fedorovith 19 August 2013 09: 11
        +9
        Burnt from alcohol saving the country.
      2. Oskar
        Oskar 19 August 2013 09: 22
        +9
        His work lives on, and the successor lives on.
      3. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 19 August 2013 09: 30
        +4
        Bad, however. Not me, but the people speak. And the mouth of the people speaks the truth.
  15. Nitarius
    Nitarius 19 August 2013 07: 39
    +6
    Sadi and need to shoot Gorbachev! Goat of a kind!
    No longer can you call him!
    And then bring the foreign KRYSS to Russia and also hang who was to blame for the collapse!
    They are planting ours, so we need to do the same!
    1. mamba
      mamba 19 August 2013 09: 42
      +1
      Quote: Nitarius
      They are planting ours, so we need to do the same!

      They even plant ours for intentions overheard by telephone, and our Themis will not even lift a finger even for specific crimes against the state and people, because with one hand he counts the loot, and someone holds tightly with the other. Guess the third time, who could it be?
      Hint: this Someone else also dumps dough ...
  16. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 19 August 2013 07: 42
    13
    I somehow do not understand, Gorbachev is constantly criticized, insulted, even threatened by the court. And why are we silent about Yeltsin, we are erecting monuments to him, memorials are different, we celebrate the dates at the state level, Gorbachev is certainly to blame, but he did much harm to the USSR by his stupidity. But Yeltsin then destroyed the Soviet Union, started a war in Chechnya, killed thousands of people, and ruined the Russian economy purposefully. However, I don’t hear something suggesting to condemn him and all who were his assistants. He is not, but those who entered his inner circle are alive and healthy and live happily ever after. So the article is minus, irrelevant and pretentious
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 August 2013 08: 21
      +9
      Quote: vladsolo56
      But Yeltsin then destroyed the Soviet Union, started a war in Chechnya, killed thousands of people, and ruined the Russian economy purposefully.

      Speaking of Humpback, they most likely recall the power that distributes medals to the Jews. You throw in a hunchback, you get into the rest
      1. ksan
        ksan 19 August 2013 11: 21
        +1
        Alexander, how else? To be silent? Yes, you need to shout at every corner, maybe then "people who have lost touch with reality" will think to whom they are presenting the HIGHEST award of Russia and for what merits.
      2. grafrozow
        grafrozow 19 August 2013 12: 12
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        . Throw humpback, get the rest
        ++++++ Who will judge him?
    2. My address
      My address 19 August 2013 08: 33
      +2
      Good afternoon, Vladimir.

      I sometimes mention a lot of speaking phrase (FIO) - EBN - this drunk.

      By the way, thanks to the deception of Gorbachev, he immediately reacted critically to the promises of EBNatik.
    3. Neo1982
      Neo1982 19 August 2013 08: 59
      11
      It was not Yeltsin who collapsed, namely Gorbachev. Signing documents in Belovezhskaya Pushcha was illegal. It could be easily canceled, and take everyone who was there. But Gorbachev did not do this, because that was his goal.
      1. Val_y
        Val_y 19 August 2013 15: 26
        +2
        Of course, humpbacked, the creation of an artificial shortage of absolutely all goods, with a full load of enterprises, dry law and the creation of social tension, Pavlov's exchanges, devaluation, again artificial, etc. He is truly a saboteur and conscious killer of the country and millions of people around the world. By the way, GDP called the collapse of the USSR "the greatest tragedy of the 20th century"
    4. Oskar
      Oskar 19 August 2013 09: 46
      +7
      For a long time I say, they are links of one chain.
  17. Alexander-81
    Alexander-81 19 August 2013 07: 42
    +3
    Advice for the Ministry of Education, to introduce reading of his books in high school, and not to study the civil war (north-south) in the USA!
  18. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 19 August 2013 07: 48
    12
    Yeah ... Our court is the most humane court in the world. Betrayal is not a crime for him. Tagged - to the wall. And judges - in court. hi
  19. NKVD
    NKVD 19 August 2013 07: 49
    +7
    All of our humane time itself has long been for soap. They keep Serdyukov-Vasilyev carefully kept from prison, where they should go to Gorbachev. Nature has not yet endowed our proceedings with healthy brains
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 19 August 2013 09: 48
      +4
      Brains have nothing to do with it. The team was not let down vertically.
      1. mamba
        mamba 19 August 2013 10: 10
        +6
        Quote: Oskar
        The team was not let down vertically.

        The vertical is overloaded with cash flows coming up. Wait for an answer, wait for an answer, wait for an answer ...
  20. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 19 August 2013 07: 51
    +6
    Gorbachev-bloody people will remember for a long time .. They taught us a good lesson not to believe words and promises ..
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 19 August 2013 08: 02
      +4
      Well, yes, but you Yeltsin on the icon and hang in the red corner.
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 19 August 2013 10: 29
        0
        To each his own! Az, I will repay! Everything has its time. EBN will not turn away from the court of man.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 19 August 2013 10: 50
          +2
          Already screwed up, unfortunately :) :(.
  21. ZU-23
    ZU-23 19 August 2013 07: 53
    +1
    yes this is all talk about nothing, Yeltsin had to punish him for perestroika in a grim way even earlier, and now the hunchback is over 80, he just needs to be ignored and that’s all.
  22. nemec55
    nemec55 19 August 2013 08: 02
    +5
    humpbacked Judah — still God's judgment awaits there corrupt ones; no one will be turned away.
  23. Bosk
    Bosk 19 August 2013 08: 17
    11
    Yes, what is a court decision ... it can be protested and so on, so on, so on, but you won’t protest the opinion of the people and you won’t come up with amnesties for it, again, after a year, the court’s decision will be forgotten, and the people’s opinion will be kept for centuries.
  24. 094711601
    094711601 19 August 2013 08: 38
    +5
    There will be no legal prosecution and punishment of the two former leaders .... we won’t wait! If you remember, these two bastards were given security guarantees at the time. The second is gone, and the first .... Yes, let him live out his filthy days, damned by millions! The task is different --- NEED THE COUNTRY TO RESPOND AND RESTORE!
  25. VadimSt
    VadimSt 19 August 2013 08: 39
    14
    Yes, yesterday, they played on the channel "Three Days in August" - the putsch and "HEMORROY Yeltsin". Did those who then stood up for him "like a mountain" knew that this alcoholic would do more than a hunchback? On the screen, anxious about the fate of the homeland, sober, even a wise face. What then - the collapse of the USSR, the army, the KGB, intelligence, elite special forces, free access of American advisers to everything that constituted a state secret, the complete impoverishment of the people, the drunkard clowning under television cameras for the whole world, the birth of Chubais, a financially secured daughter - you can't list everything. After that, watching the memories of his Naina, about "a man who gave himself to serve Russia", is simply disgusting!
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 19 August 2013 09: 09
      +1
      Yes, those who needed to know. Type Novodvorskaya and others like them. And the rest are just drunks for extras.
    2. ksan
      ksan 19 August 2013 11: 32
      +1
      And now another "saga" has begun "The collapse of the USSR" where the majority of "those at the helm" and "Members of the Central Committee" hate how much in vain the country which they also led, and it turns out that there is nothing they did not do that this country has become better. Such an abomination is disgusting to look at.
  26. klip07
    klip07 19 August 2013 08: 45
    +5
    Masons have long been covering up this pepper, I am surprised why Serdyukov, Vasilyeva and the company are not given an article "for treason to the Motherland" ... but it would be necessary .... and hang on a lamppost .... in public!
  27. alicante11
    alicante11 19 August 2013 08: 46
    +4
    I am afraid that from a legal point of view, the prosecution of a hunchback is really impossible. All his actions fit into the concept of incompetence. And even their own admission of the desire to destroy the socialist system - this is, according to modern legislation, not a guilty act.
    This is the first thing. And secondly, how can the oligarchic power judge the one who gave it life? Would the Abramovichs, Deripaska, Grefs, etc. etc. under Soviet rule, villas, yachts, own financial empires? Under socialism, their lot would have been farts. What does it mean? This means that you are constantly afraid of every person in uniform, and just a hard worker who will turn you over to the OBKhSS, not to show your money once again, not to boo. The only pleasure they could afford was to count the papers under the covers and shed drool and snot over the foreign "new clothes" that they wore over the hillock 10 years ago. And now they are the masters of life. And they can look down on everyone. Can they judge him for such a gift? The only thing VVP is right that did not get his hands dirty about the order of this Judas. Of course, without his permission, the humpback would not have received the order. But officially VVP again remained on the sidelines, I think that this is because, as VVP, under the USSR, it could well have made a good career, so there is nothing for it to thank the traitor for.
    1. krpmlws
      krpmlws 19 August 2013 09: 07
      +4
      What is the other legal point of view, where did you dig her up, and here is incompetence. Gorbachev did not fulfill his direct duties, committed consistent and systematic actions to the detriment of the state, so his activities can be qualified as treason to the Motherland. Similarly, it is necessary to open a criminal case for all participants Belovezhskaya gathering, deputies who voted for the dissolution of the USSR, to all those who participated in the looting of the Russian Federation.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 19 August 2013 09: 57
        +1
        I’m talking specifically about the legal side of the issue, which should exclusively be guided by the court, if it is not the Lynch court.
        I do not deny that Gorby is a traitor. But he is a de facto traitor, but de jure - no. Therefore, it is impossible to judge him. Therefore, the only chance of punishment is Lynch's court. If he had been lynched, I would have gladly even come to Moscow for this.
  28. Nrsimha42
    Nrsimha42 19 August 2013 08: 50
    +5
    This scum should have been sentenced to the highest degree! No wonder the whole "trap" praises him with enthusiasm!
  29. krpmlws
    krpmlws 19 August 2013 08: 52
    +5
    By refusing to objectively assess the role of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, both the court and the government thereby support, whitewash the processes that took place in the second half of the 80s and 90s. This position is contrary to the law, common sense and opinion of the people, therefore the court and government thereby undermine its legitimacy, the trust of citizens, it is possible for the government to repeat similar illegal actions that could lead to further degradation of the Russian Federation and its collapse. It is necessary to demand the opening of a criminal case considering all x who was involved in the collapse of the economy and political sphere of the USSR in the second half of the 80s and the beginning of the 90s, who was involved in the collapse of the Warsaw bloc and the USSR, who was involved in the looting of the Russian Federation in the 90s and is guilty of unleashing a large-scale war in Chechnya and guilty of the deaths of citizens of the Russian Federation. Until this process is started, citizens of the Russian Federation have every right to consider the government and the court illegitimate.
  30. scientist
    scientist 19 August 2013 08: 59
    +5
    No matter how old Gorbachev and Yeltsin are. Attempts by politicians and the Supreme Court to slow down everything create an illusion of permissiveness in the current government. So it should not be otherwise the story repeats itself. Gorbachev is primarily a traitor for all peoples in Russia and in the post-Soviet space, because he and Yeltsin ignored the results of the 1991 referendum, he is a traitor to the Motherland, because he caused irreparable damage to the territorial integrity, defense capability and economy of each of the allied states. And do not confuse these actions with party affiliation by the liquidation of the CPSU.
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 19 August 2013 12: 21
      +4
      Good afternoon, dear "scientist"! Or how can I call you by name?

      You are absolutely right! good Any power in any countryIt gives a feeling and confidence in its divine character, impunity and permissiveness.

      Since the authorities have IGNORED more than once the results of referenda (1991 and others), here is a legal incident, for CONDEMNING (even posthumously) the UNFILLED will of the people expressed in the referendum would very quickly sober up any SON OF THE PEOPLE!

      But so far ALL the provisions of the Referendum in the Constitution and the Code of Laws (in my opinion, its results are not MANDATORY, just an advisory force ..., I don’t remember exactly)
      - this is just an empty phrase for the fooling of ordinary people, what if you we will arrange a referendum for your money, the results of which we will rig or not consider as an indication!

      In addition, a very important question is about the Constitution and the Laws.

      They are EVERYTHING is written for PROTECTING AUTHORITY from the PEOPLE, not for the people and the protection of their interests.

      There is a field of activity, but for you need to attract lawyers, not those for the money, but patriots of the country / not patriots of banknotes
      and start doing something.

      Otherwise, all the energy, once again leaking into the sand!

      Well, and so all of our GOOD opinions are not SUBJECT to the PEOPLE'S REQUIREMENT / not by petition, REFERENDUM or other methods of SPEAKING out the people’s demand for power - in essence, it IS JUST just an empty phrase, releasing steam ...

      And the authorities then can continue to UNPUNCHLY laugh at the people in the face.

      Remember the classics:
      - "And Vaska listens and eats."
  31. ded10041948
    ded10041948 19 August 2013 09: 05
    +7
    Life is Beautiful:
    - Spotted - not a traitor.
    - EBNu - a monument.
    - There is no furniture maker to judge for what.
    - ..................
    And so on.
    How many more weeks can people cast out?
  32. user
    user 19 August 2013 09: 05
    +4
    G..but does not sink.

    Well, seriously, the RUSSIAN AUTHORITIES will never set a precedent of this kind.
    Otherwise, you will have to look around and see a lot of interesting things, for example, the annual family income of the First Deputy Prime Minister or the annual family income of the Deputy Prime Minister (Plenipotentiary of the President of the Russian Federation for the North Caucasus Federal District). And this is far from the closest environment.
    1. fedorovith
      fedorovith 19 August 2013 09: 15
      +3
      The hunchback collapsed to the point that he could no longer hold it, then the drunk got it to finish it to the end in order to please foreign owners.
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 19 August 2013 12: 18
      +4
      Quote: user
      Otherwise, you’ll have to look around and see a lot of interesting things, for example, the first deputy prime minister’s annual family income
      The raven-raven's eye will not peck.
  33. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 19 August 2013 09: 06
    +5
    The West will not surrender Gorbachev, not because he needs him, no one needs Gorbachev, he just sits in the West as an example for all traitors and traitors to the Motherland, that they say calmly betray and destroy, we will always protect and attach you, you see how Judas Gorbachev settled down well, ate a pork snout for himself, advertises pizza, and our new Russian resident-president also awarded him an order, apparently for services to the Fatherland, if I could ask Medvedev for what "Merits" you are rewarding a Jew who sold your own country? that he will run around, swell his eyes, but he will not give a clear answer, it is also sad that when this creature dies, and he obviously does not have much time left, his corpse will most likely be transported to Russia and buried with state honors, Medvedev will certainly come to the funeral, I wonder if Putin will come?
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    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 19 August 2013 12: 27
      +3
      Quote: Standard Oil
      The West will not give up Gorbachev not because he needs him

      Quote: Standard Oil
      , you see how Judas Gorbachev settled down well, ate his pork snout,
      I made necessary friends ...
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  35. Ross
    Ross 19 August 2013 09: 24
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: vladimirZ
    but also from Gorbachev’s defenders in the West and in the USA

    Of course, it’s hard even to imagine how the west will start screaming if a case is brought against Hunchback. He will be granted political asylum by the whole west.

    This is an indicator of our "independence". The invaders do not even allow to name the traitor by his own name.
  36. scientist
    scientist 19 August 2013 09: 26
    +4
    Recently one correspondent asked the question "What do foreign states give rewards for?". I do not think that someday the West and the United States will reward someone for raising someone else's econopics and defense capabilities. But the economy and politics also obey the laws of physics - as much as it flows out of the country, so much should be added somewhere. Apparently for this, and most of the foreign awards, in fact, for betraying the interests of their state, of course, with the exception of military peacekeepers and doctors who actually saved people's lives abroad.
  37. Hey
    Hey 19 August 2013 09: 27
    -8
    You can minus, BUT ...
    I forgave EBN for the fact that I left and transferred the country to normal hands, i.e. V.V. To Putin.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 19 August 2013 10: 04
      +4
      I will not minus. But you are wrong. You can’t forgive 90. Maximum - one pan in hell less. For stopping in time, refusing to completely destroy the country.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 19 August 2013 22: 02
        +1
        Quote: alicante11
        Forgiveness for the 90s is impossible. Maximum - one pan in hell less. For stopping in time, refusing to completely destroy the country.

        How did he stop? What are you?
        Yes, if he had no heart problems, it is not known who would be the first to go to another world, the people of Russia or he?
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 20 August 2013 07: 55
          0
          It's not about the heart. Fortunately for us, most of our homegrown oligarchs, when the Russian issue was finally resolved, should have remained overboard. In 97-98gg there was an attempt to nationalize the central bank as part of a gradual withdrawal from the influence of the USA, but the attack was too cavalry. And EBNu was quickly shown who is the boss in Russia when the Duma wrapped the bill. Well, in revenge, the amers punished us with the 98 crisis. When government securities collapsed. Then EBNu urgently began to look for a replacement, because he showed that he could break the chain. As a result, a group of Russian oligarchs dragged the candidate of GDP through the main watching BAB, which suited everyone because it was from the Sobchak deck that had been defeated before and had no power behind which could support it if it started pursuing its policy. But, having received the support of most oligarchs, the GDP sharply turned its head back to a group of people watching with the BAB at the head.

          Although, I suspect that the conflict with amers at EBNya began during the first Chechen one. Not for nothing then all the liberoid dogs were let down on him.
  38. MDesant
    MDesant 19 August 2013 09: 31
    +2
    Shit does not sink
  39. SvetoRus
    SvetoRus 19 August 2013 09: 38
    +5
    Russia's Supreme Court: There is no reason to initiate a case of treason against Gorbachev in fact, in my opinion, this is a verdict for the entire judicial system. Especially if we put the case of Kvachkov and Khabarov on the other side of the scales of our "themis".
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 19 August 2013 14: 57
      +5
      Quote: SvetoRus
      this is a verdict for the entire judicial system. Especially if we put the case of Kvachkov and Khabarov on the other side of the scales of our "Themis".
      You can add the case of Budanov.
  40. sevtrash
    sevtrash 19 August 2013 09: 42
    +4
    Gorbachev is a short-sighted person, but is he like that? After all, his career outcome is impressive - the head of a great country. Naturally, by his qualities - or rather, their absence - he was absolutely not able to lead such a country at such a time. But supervised.
    And the prevailing system that completely rotted him brought him to power. And the GKChP? A mediocre coup, which shows how little power remained smart and active people.
    So speaking of Gorbachev, one must think that this is a man of the existing system, its, so to speak, peak of evolution.
  41. dmb
    dmb 19 August 2013 09: 46
    +3
    Fellow citizens, how long can you buy cheap receptions. Well, I understand that the majority of the people do not care about the award legislation, but the "signers" hardly know that no President, even Vladimir Vladimirovich himself, can deprive a state award. He is deprived of awards only for a crime and only by a court, which the Guarantor cannot give instructions. Officially. And not officially, he will not give them. And not at all because he honors the Constitution, but because he remembers that he is not eternal, and the replacement, going to meet the working people, may not show loyalty. Let me remind you that one of the first decrees of the current Guarantor. then "cast" into the Law, even the former Guarantor had the right to knock his mother-in-law with a frying pan without any particular consequences for himself. It is better not to say anything to the justice of our court, because one can pass for the narrator of "bearded" anecdotes. All this is well understood by both Starikov and signers and lawyers, and therefore, apart from the foul-smelling self-advertisement, it does not smell like anything. By the way, the "signatories" are all like one liberals and loyal followers of the same Michal Sergeich, who rushed under a more reliable wing in time
  42. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 19 August 2013 09: 55
    +4
    He lives behind a hillock, it is not known what kind of income, he disgraces a great country acting in advertising pizza and suitcases, receives medals for his activities in the collapse of the country, what other reasons are needed?
    1. mamba
      mamba 19 August 2013 10: 57
      +2
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      Lives over the hill, on what income is unknown

      It is known on which: HMS is headed by:
      - "Gorbachev Fund", whose main office is located in San Francisco, California. He is engaged in research on the history of perestroika. Funded by the personal funds of the SMS, grants and donations from citizens, companies and international organizations;
      - "International Green Cross", which fights for environmental safety, and is financed by 30% from the governments of various states, 40% from corporations, 30% from contributions from national organizations, membership fees and voluntary donations.
      March 30, 2011 HMS celebrated its 80th anniversary in London with the Gorbi 80 Gala charity concert in the Royal Albert Hall with the participation of world stars, including Sharon Stone, Kevin Spacey, Scorpions, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Dmitry Hvorostovsky, Andrei Makarevich, Paul Anka, Katherine Jenkins, Shirley Bassey, Brian Ferry, Milla Jovovich, Ted Turner, the London Symphony Orchestra and artists of the Bolshoi Theater. So, he has enough dough.
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 19 August 2013 12: 32
      0
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      Lives over the hill, on unknown incomes, dishonors a great country
      He gives lectures abroad, Theme-collapse of the USSR, his merit.
  43. Bezarius
    Bezarius 19 August 2013 09: 58
    +3
    If Themis defends Gorbachev, then a referendum must be held.
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 19 August 2013 11: 35
      0
      Good morning dear "Bezarius"! Excuse me, how can I call you by name?
      You are completely right! good This is the form of expression IS in the Constitution and laws.
      It only needs to be consulted with lawyers, for the preparation and submission of the necessary application in the court and the actions of the forgiveness of citizens to protect their constitutional rights.

      Since the proposals from the Constitution and the Code of Laws are beautiful, without their application by the people to protect their rights - this is just a piece of paper ...

      But besides the call, we must start to do something, since there was already enough talk from below.

      - What practical steps should be taken?

      - Your opinions and advice, dear forum users?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 19 August 2013 11: 51
        +1
        Score. At what twice. And at the court to hammer the defendant himself with stones on Red Square. The case has no legal perspective. If you really want to punish the traitor, take the ice ax.
  44. slaventi
    slaventi 19 August 2013 10: 00
    +7
    With wine in the country it’s gorgeous,
    Remember standing restructuring.
    Gorbach gave us a lot
    It's time to put it in the rack!

    For ruining the Power
    Brought people to poverty.
    We’ll find in the bastard we’ll rule,
    It's time to understand WE are not cattle.

    Judge the bastard by all the people
    Let Nuremberg repeat now.
    And stop babysitting with a freak
    Fuck him a rope dream.

    A traitor to the homeland should not
    Enjoy a calm life.
    Exit one shit laid
    Hanged in a noose.


    The trial of Gorbachev will be held, but it will be held in free Russia. I hope this time is just around the corner.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 19 August 2013 10: 54
      0
      I'm afraid I will disappoint you, but Russia will not see freedom in the near future. Everything is simple here. Whatever the power, it protects Russia. Let and as his little egg. But if a revolution happens, then Russia will simply be torn apart like a frog. As we have seen in Iraq, Yugoslavia and Libya. I would like to be mistaken. But logically, this is the only way.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 20 August 2013 08: 00
        0
        Interestingly, the minus is posed as a bad messenger for disappointment or are there any disproving arguments? I repeat, I would not mind making a mistake in this matter.
  45. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 19 August 2013 10: 02
    +2
    Quote: Denis
    According to Starikov, “the people have long since brought the name of Gorbachev MS to the list of traitors. ”
    The opinion of the people is not the law
    There are no grounds for instituting criminal proceedings against former USSR President Mikhail Gorbachev under the article “Treason to the Homeland”.
    They themselves deserve a place on this list.
    Where did you come from?

    The judges in the Supreme Court are those who rose from the 90s, and in those days they were hardly honest (just knowing this structure by hearsay, most of them took it and take it!), And the hunchbacked one allowed them to do it (not really) , but by their actions on the collapse of the country!
  46. KGDU10
    KGDU10 19 August 2013 10: 03
    +2
    Afraid to set a precedent! After all, then you will need to think before you do something! It can be judged by a civil court, publicly, in the Execution Ground !!!
  47. SPBOBL
    SPBOBL 19 August 2013 10: 11
    +2
    labeled under the COURT !!!
  48. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 19 August 2013 10: 17
    +3
    <<< Earlier, "NewsBalt" reported that last spring the public turned to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to deprive the first and last president of the USSR, Mikhail Gorbachev, of the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called. >>>
    It is no exaggeration to say that the PEOPLE has already given an assessment of the activities of this Nobel Prize and ... yes, the authorities have to do this and bring him to justice while the spirit is lacking, and moreover, paradoxically, he (this is perceived as a mockery of the people ) was awarded the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called (even if the status of the order would be read before the award)! The truth in this matter, maybe not soon, but still WILL WIN, and the first thing that is advisable to do now is to start a campaign to collect signatures for depriving the "outstanding figure" of this award. The authorities will no longer be able to respond to the public opinion, supported by the opinion of the people, and this will be the first step (but not the last) in restoring historical justice!
  49. Djozz
    Djozz 19 August 2013 10: 25
    +3
    There were no double standards, there was no trial of Stalin, but his power was a criminal, although the people in the majority have a different opinion, and the authorities do not want to judge this rat, spitting on the desire of the people!
  50. Georgic
    Georgic 19 August 2013 10: 28
    +3
    I propose to celebrate the next anniversary on the "Black Dolphin" together with especially dangerous