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Is an independent Turkic Orthodox state established? ("Cumhuriyet", Turkey)

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Is an independent Turkic Orthodox state established? ("Cumhuriyet", Turkey)In our textbooks stories for the upper classes, it was usually noted that the Turkic peoples managed to preserve their national identity thanks to Islam, and non-Muslim Turks, dissolving in other communities, disappear. As an example, the phenomenon of the Slavonicization of the Bulgarians of the Turkic ethno-linguistic family was cited. However, when looking at history and modernity, it can be stated that religion itself does not prevail in the process of preserving national culture. For example, along with the Turks who underwent arabization surrounded by Arabs in Syria, there are such communities of Turkic origin that have not lost their culture, despite the adoption of Orthodoxy. These are Chuvash in Russia or Gagauz in Moldova.


There are different ideas about how the Gagauz who converted to Orthodox Christianity found themselves in the region. Some believe that the Oghuzs, who together with the Huns or some time after they came to the region, having rounded the Caspian and Black Seas from the north, were the ancestors of the Gagauz. Therefore, the ethnonym "Gagauz" is considered modified from "Gek-Oguz" [Türk. - heavenly Turks].

Others associate the ethnonym's origin with the name of the Seljuk ruler Izeddin Keykavus II. In this regard, it is argued that when the Mongols, making raids on Asia Minor, destroyed the state of the Seljuks, Sultan Izzeddin Keykavus II, together with a large group of Turkmen, fled to Byzantium. After the death of the Sultan, the Turkmen settled in the Dobrudzhi area (modern Romania) and adopted Christianity under the influence of Byzantium. Today, there are disputes about the authenticity of these ideas, but one thing is quite certain: the Gagauz are an Oguz tribe. Their language is very close to Turkish.

Today, the Gagauz people live on the territory of Moldova, where they found themselves after the capture of the Ottoman lands by the Russian army. When the territories of present-day Moldova were ceded to Russia after the victory over the Ottoman Empire, a large number of Bulgarian and Gagauz peasants from Bulgaria, to which the Russians flew in fleetingly, were resettled in the newly conquered territories. The ethnic roots of Enver Pasha (one of the most controversial figures in our recent history) also go back to the Gagauz.

At present, discussions about independence are gaining momentum in this Orthodox Turkic community. Gagauz owns an autonomous territory within the borders of Moldova, while the majority of the Gagauz are inclined to believe that the Moldovan authorities seek to limit their autonomous rights. The statements and position of the Moldovan authorities on this issue only reinforce the separatist tendencies.

As we noted earlier, Moldovans are a people akin to the Romanians, so the Moldovan authorities are in the long run inclined towards unification with Romania. The Gagauz, on the other hand, feel a much stronger affinity for the Russian people, and in this regard, Romanian nationalism causes a negative reaction in them. After the collapse of the USSR at the beginning of the 1990s, along with the activation of the Romanian nationalist elite in Moldova, the Gagauz, as well as the population of Russian and Ukrainian origin, who lived in Transnistria in the east of the country, declared their protest in favor of separating the two regions from Moldova. In the middle of the 90-s, including thanks to the initiatives of Turkey, the Gagauz agreed to autonomy, and an autonomous territorial entity, Gagauz land, emerged in Moldova. At the same time, the territories adjacent to the Dniester River (Slavs live there) are still not controlled by Moldova.

In the Gagauz community, pro-Russian tendencies have always been strong (until recently, one of the regions where the Communist Party of the Republic of Moldova oriented towards rapprochement received the most support of voters was Gagauzia). Therefore, some experts see Russia's influence in strengthening the Gagauz separatist movement. On the one hand, the Moldovan authorities uphold the pro-Western line. Russia, on the other hand, seeks in various ways to maintain its influence in Moldova and not allow this small, but strategically important country to come closer to the EU. The strength of this influence is vividly demonstrated by the various regional economic agreements that Russia concludes with the Gagauz land, as well as the statements of the Gagauz leaders that Gagauzia has the right to join the Customs Union of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, regardless of the decision of Moldova.

Adherents of the idea of ​​holding a referendum on independence in the Gagauz land collected more than 6 thousands of signatures (almost every thirtieth of the Gagauz living in Moldova), and this issue is discussed everywhere, primarily in the autonomous education parliament. The most intense struggle around this state, which remains on the outskirts of Europe, is led by the EU and Russia. Whether the strengthening of this struggle will lead to the creation of an Orthodox-Turkic state, time will tell.
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  1. Ruslandeth
    Ruslandeth 19 August 2013 06: 52 New
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    Not the first sign of pan-Turkism. It would seem that what matters to the Turkish layman is the Chuvash and Gagauz?
    1. Denis
      Denis 19 August 2013 06: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: Ruslandeth
      What matters to the Turkish layman to the Chuvash and Gagauz?
      Is it true that they were so worried?
      Only the talk that the state is ruining the leadership is recent sad examples. And the will is needed to create it, and so they do not care about the people, they look towards the Romanians
      1. Horn
        Horn 19 August 2013 08: 57 New
        +4
        Pan-Turkism did not arise yesterday. Imagine: the Turkish empire, in which Kazan, Ufa, Tyumen, Astrakhan, the former republics of Central Asia ...
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 19 August 2013 11: 01 New
          +4
          These Turks are needed in Kazan, Ufa, Astrakhan. It is in them that the Turkic peoples will really simply dissolve, especially with Turkish national politics, when even during the census they do not ask for nationality — all of them are “Turks”. In general, IMHO, the Turks should restrain their ardor - they have already lost the empire, and most Turks outside its borders are closer to Russia than to Turkey.
          Although pan-Turkism is quite popular in Central Asia.
          1. core
            core 19 August 2013 16: 24 New
            +3
            Turks have great influence only in Azerbaijan, and in the Crimea, the Crimean Tatar population. What can Turks offer to Tatars, Chuvashs, Bashkirs? they cannot offer their people something worthwhile. a huge part of it (the Kurds) are powerless in their country.
            1. ayyildiz
              19 August 2013 16: 46 New
              +6
              Quote: core
              a huge part of it (the Kurds) are powerless in their country.


              You look initially how many Kurds in the government!

              Quote: core
              What can Turks offer to Tatars, Chuvashs, Bashkirs?


              Economic cooperation, investment is not enough!

              Look at how many Turkish enterprises in Tatarstan!
              1. MstislavHrabr
                MstislavHrabr 19 August 2013 20: 49 New
                +1
                I think that the Turkish elite would certainly be glad to add these territories to its sphere of influence. And ... at first, I would have closed my eyes to the differences in the religious plan ... The question is whether the elites of these countries are ready to become Turkish vassals. I think they have other plans ... Azerbaijan has its claims for leadership. Kazakhstan is its own ... Actually, only Crimean Tatars are ready to lie under the Turks even today. Because they want, relying on Turkey, to get their state independent of Ukrainians and Russians, in which they will be the main nation ... Here they would show everyone how to manage the people ... Not their own, of course, but other little people ... And Enterprises are certainly good, but there are also enough Russian and Chinese enterprises in the republics. The issue is not only in economics. And in that will the peoples and their elites be able to get along together ...
                1. Essenger
                  Essenger 19 August 2013 22: 34 New
                  +2
                  Quote: MstislavHrabr
                  Kazakhstan its ...

                  How can this be understood?
                  1. Basileus
                    Basileus 20 August 2013 07: 53 New
                    0
                    But does Kazakhstan have its own interests or are they so insignificant that it is ready to exchange them for Turkish?
                    1. Essenger
                      Essenger 20 August 2013 10: 57 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Basileus
                      But does Kazakhstan have its own interests or are they so insignificant that it is ready to exchange them for Turkish?

                      Naturally, Kazakhstan has its own interests and no one is going to exchange them for Turkish. But this does not mean that we are yours.
                      1. Basileus
                        Basileus 21 August 2013 07: 53 New
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                        And where is it said about ours? It says in Russian in white that all Turks have their own interests, and they are not ready to put up with Turkish leadership. Not a single word about Russia is there.
                      2. Essenger
                        Essenger 31 August 2013 01: 43 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Basileus
                        And where is it said about ours?

                        Read the comment above. Check out the quote.
            2. Basileus
              Basileus 20 August 2013 07: 52 New
              0
              No more than any others. German, Dutch. There, in Bashkiria, Indians and Koreans are also going to build factories.
        2. Horn
          Horn 21 August 2013 06: 53 New
          0
          Not TURKS. All of them are Türks.
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 21 August 2013 07: 59 New
            -1
            All WE are Türks, I don’t have to explain something. Only you first read the post about the Turkish empire to which I answered, and then shine with wit.

            Kipchaks are close to me. The karaluks are close. And with the Oghuz Turks, the “Russian” Turks have such a different historical fate that they are no more close to me than the Russian Poles.
    2. Iraclius
      Iraclius 19 August 2013 09: 05 New
      +4
      I think that the Turks see in the Gagauz the strength with which you can try to flirt in their own interests. Yes, there it was.
  2. an-sar
    an-sar 19 August 2013 07: 49 New
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    This is the Revival of the New Byzantine Empire !!!
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 19 August 2013 08: 33 New
    10
    But do the Moldovan authorities generally control something in the country? Everything will return to square one, like Russia to its former borders.
    1. ayyildiz
      19 August 2013 09: 26 New
      +4
      The film about the Gagauz
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 19 August 2013 10: 53 New
        +5
        The Gagauz language belongs to the Oguz group of Turkic languages, along with Turkish, Azerbaijani and Turkmen.
    2. Aryan
      Aryan 19 August 2013 09: 32 New
      +8
      Turkey has long been helping the Gagauzians,
      we have many Turkish schools and lyceums,
      many help in higher education and employment in Turkey
      Often held congresses of Turkic peoples
      in all the former southern republics of the USSR for the development of language and culture
      And the Gagauz people do not get off their knees - they never knelt
      I have many comrades from Gagauzia
      turn it around! they are proud and honest people who will not give offense, like all southern peoples
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      2. Sergey ge
        Sergey ge 19 August 2013 15: 01 New
        +4
        Yes, we are proud and honest people who will not give offense
        1. armandos
          armandos 19 August 2013 17: 52 New
          -4
          As for your pride, I have no doubt and always respected the Gagauzians. Just sometimes the Azerbaijanis (this is to please Appolon) misinterpret.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 19 August 2013 18: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: armandos
            As for your pride, I have no doubt and always respected the Gagauzians. Just sometimes Azerbaijanis



            and they are our brothers .... hi language, music ... everything except religion .... everything is the same ... so leave your conclusions to my friend Stoic ....... laughing
            1. armandos
              armandos 19 August 2013 18: 31 New
              -6
              Yes, there is no Stoic kid, not only religion, but also pride and courage.
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 19 August 2013 21: 01 New
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              Quote: smersh70
              and they are our brothers .... language, music ... everything except religion .... everything is the same ... so leave your conclusions to my friend Stoic .......

              I have never heard a phrase - Azerbaijani brother help
              for some reason always shout - help the Russian brother
              You are determined with the brothers.
              1. valerii41
                valerii41 19 August 2013 21: 17 New
                +2
                When the Russians were somehow more cheerful, during the miners' strikes in the working committees, they began to appear in camouflage, with a needle, the recruiters from the Armenian and Azerbaijani sides, the physiognomy of the Russians. They were told to fight, you yourself will be torn off the hell with you, they did it to him in a harsh form no longer appeared.
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 19 August 2013 23: 14 New
                +4
                Quote: Setrac
                I have never heard a phrase - Azerbaijani brother help
                for some reason always shout - help the Russian brother
                You are determined with the brothers.


                and you won’t hear .... laughing and I heard --- 80% of all oil produced in the USSR was produced in Baku. I would see how I would fight against Guderian’s tanks without our gasoline /))))) and read in addition to my words Mikhalkov’s poem - And, when Russia stood up
                In this difficult terrible hour
                “Everything to the front!” - Moscow said.
                “We'll give everything!” - said Kuzbass.
                “Never,” said the mountains, “
                The Urals have never been in debt! ” -
                “Enough oil for motors,
                I will help! " - said Baku.
                “I own wealth
                They can’t be counted, even if you count a century!
                I will not regret anything! ” -
                So Altai responded.
                1. Denis
                  Denis 20 August 2013 00: 40 New
                  +1
                  Quote: smersh70
                  I heard --- 80% of all oil produced in the USSR was produced in Baku. I would have looked how I would have fought against Guderian’s tanks without our gasoline
                  I won’t find out the degree of kinship, I don’t want to slide down to an ethnic cross, I am for objectivity
                  Yes, 80 or more%, other deposits were discovered later than the War, but crude oilup to gasoline still refineries
                  And whose oil is that ...
                  Then 100% presenting the Nenets, Ents, Nganasan and Dolgan for nickel will be fair, they lived there and live in the vicinity of Norilsk
                  Was oil production back in the Republic of Ingushetia organized by local forces? As well as later, Azerbaijani geologists searched for oil in Siberia. Toga was the USSR, everything was only Soviet
                  The first in space was not Kazakhstan, although the rockets launched there, not Russia, not Ukraine ...
                  and the USSR
                  Let's try to be objective
                2. Setrac
                  Setrac 20 August 2013 17: 13 New
                  0
                  Quote: smersh70
                  . I would see how I would fight against Guderian tanks without our gasoline

                  I do not underestimate the role of oil, but it’s against Guderian’s tanks - past the target, the anti-tank gun doesn’t need gas, the anti-tank grenade or mine too. In addition, oil was (and is) not only in the Caspian Sea and in Siberia.
                  You calculated how much Azerbaijanis gave oil for the Victory! And let's calculate how much the Russian soldiers gave for the Victory.
                  Anticipating your objections:
                  You Azerbaijanis also fought
                  I - the Russians also produced oil.
                  P.S. And your grandfather, or great-grandfather? Does your mockery apply to him?
                3. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 20 August 2013 23: 45 New
                  +4
                  Quote: smersh70
                  80% of all oil produced in the USSR was produced in Baku. I would have looked how I would have fought against Guderian’s tanks without our gasoline /)))))

                  and the rest (during the war) in Kazakhstan was processed at the Guryev Oil Refinery (now the Atyrau Oil Refinery), which worked completely for the needs of the Red Army)
          2. Apollo
            Apollo 19 August 2013 18: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: armandos
            Just sometimes Azerbaijanis (this is to please Appolon)



            I do not need to do anything to please, there are rules of the VO forum, they apply to everyone, including you and me.
            1. armandos
              armandos 19 August 2013 18: 37 New
              -2
              OK. For the sake of the rules of VO. It's all right?
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              1. alone
                alone 19 August 2013 19: 43 New
                +3
                dear Vurgun will erase. so don’t pay attention. If you know, they pull us hard to provoke. Better forget
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 19 August 2013 22: 24 New
                  +3
                  Quote: lonely
                  will erase dear vurgun.t


                  even a person sentenced to death has the right to a pardon, or before the verdict to the last word .. and our Dear Apollo does not even give a say .... hi what kind of democracy can we talk about ... winked in the age of democracy and freedom ....
                  instead of covering up the provocative remarks of the smile with armandos .. he erased all my answers ..... how best to stop everything in the bud and not to look for a causal connection later .... they destroyed the USSR and are acting like Gorbachev on early 1988 ..... hi the instigators and their statements flaunt here ... and how do you give the answer, so you are to blame ..... / Regards .... give at least 10 minutes to read .. and then you can erase .....
        2. smile
          smile 19 August 2013 18: 12 New
          -3
          Sergey ge
          C'mon, we are nothing too, in any case, we destroyed the Turkish threat at the root, and presented the Turkic peoples with equal status to us ... :))))
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      3. smile
        smile 19 August 2013 18: 07 New
        0
        Aryan
        And the southern nations, which "do not give themselves any insult," are these? the most southern ones are still farther south, in my opinion they live than the Türks ... :))) I hope you don’t think that any other peoples, for example, the northern ones, “give offense” to themselves? :)))
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          1. alone
            alone 19 August 2013 18: 41 New
            +3
            maybe for less than 1000 bucks))))
          2. smile
            smile 19 August 2013 18: 48 New
            -3
            smersh70
            Sorry, I didn’t understand, and what about the Armenians? Especially some Armenian traitors?
            In the comments on this article, for some reason, the Türkic comrades flared up, claiming that they were depressing, honest and proud ... one comrade added. like all the southern peoples ... well, they say. unlike some .... :))) I somehow agree with him, the inhabitants of the southern extremity of Africa and South America are the southern peoples ...:))) ... these are really .... well, and here Armenians, it would seem ...
            Okay, calm down, I agree that the Turks are the most proud, smart, beautiful and strong on the planet, they never had spies, they defeated everyone ... us, sirykh, too, of course .... and the Armenians of hell - about the same as we are about to give each other bribes .... I know only one people who say so much about it and about the same words ... review the Soviet cartoon "Mowgli" - there you will see this people ... .
            I must say right away that my attack is against some of your compatriots. which. praising yourself easily kicks other nations .... I hope you have such a minority ....
      4. juneart
        juneart 19 August 2013 18: 18 New
        +2
        "they are proud and honest people who will not give offense, like all southern peoples" - the southern ones regarding what or whom? .... How do you understand? In your opinion, it turns out that the north the people - the less Proud, honest and offensive they are to anyone and everyone ... So?
  4. Flooding
    Flooding 19 August 2013 12: 11 New
    +6
    Quote: Ruslandeth
    It would seem that what matters to the Turkish layman is the Chuvash and Gagauz?

    The Gagauzians have a very close relationship with the Turks. And Gagauzia enjoys the serious support of Turkey. This is one of the reasons why the Moldovan authorities did not start serious pressure on autonomy.

    Quote: article
    Today, the Gagauz people live on the territory of Moldova, where they ended up after the capture of the Ottoman lands by the Russian army.

    Not capture, dear Deniz, but liberation. Well, you can argue for a long time on this topic. But here is an obvious cant:
    Quote: article
    When the territories of present-day Moldova moved to Russia after the victory over the Ottoman Empire, a large number of Bulgarian and Gagauz peasants from Bulgaria, where the Russians flew by quickly, were resettled to the newly conquered territories.

    Deniz, do not smack nonsense. There was no forced relocation. What the Gagauzes themselves do not hide:
    Note that the resettlement of the Gagauz and Bulgarians on the left bank of the Danube began during the years of this Russian-Turkish war. But with the end of hostilities and the annexation (1812) of Bessarabia to Russia, this process intensified. A legal framework has been created for this. The conditions of the Bucharest peace granted the right to all Christian subjects of the Ottoman sultan to resettle within Russia for eighteen
    months after signing it.
    A favorable environment was created for the relocation of the Bulgarians and Gagauzians to Budzhak, which was part of the plans of tsarist Russia. This right was used by many of them.


    Read more at http://istoriagagauz.com/nachalo-pereseleniya-gagauzov-i-bolgar-v-yuzhnuyu-bessa

    rabiyu /

    However, such a replay of the facts is understandable. Well, the Turks cannot admit that the Gagauzians once escaped to Russia from oppression by the Turkish brothers.
    1. armandos
      armandos 19 August 2013 17: 56 New
      -6
      And you Dear Novodl, get used to it! "Turks and Co" love this business. They have no truth, they have Turkish newspapers!
  5. Yeraz
    Yeraz 19 August 2013 12: 24 New
    +6
    Quote: Ruslandeth
    Not the first sign of pan-Turkism. It would seem that what matters to the Turkish layman is the Chuvash and Gagauz?

    Indeed, what is the matter of Turks to Turks with identical languages ​​who live near them. Do not write nonsense, it’s the same as what’s the matter to the Russian layman that is happening in Belarus.
  6. Furnace driver
    Furnace driver 20 August 2013 20: 20 New
    -4
    Chuvashs, by no means Türks, let linguists "before user" write them down in Türkic-speaking, but this is not so. Here the Tatars can. and the Chuvash, Mari, Mordovians, Kreshen - not the Türks definitely. traditional jewelry, outfits, life, customs - they all have something in common.
    only Tatars in the Volga stand apart.
    “ESE uhmah” I’ll tell someone who once again stutters that the Maris, Chuvashs, Mordovians, and Kreshen are either Türks or Finno-Ugrians; remember once and for all - they are the descendants of a single people, Orthodox!
  7. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 20 August 2013 23: 32 New
    +3
    Quote: Ruslandeth
    It would seem that what matters to the Turkish layman is the Chuvash and Gagauz?

    But what is the matter of Russian Ukrainians, Bulgarians or Serbs?
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 19 August 2013 06: 59 New
    +4
    I have long heard that the Gagauzians are much more Russian than the blood brothers Ukrainians
  • alexmaneger
    alexmaneger 19 August 2013 07: 32 New
    +6
    I’ll bring my 5 kopecks.


  • albai
    albai 19 August 2013 08: 23 New
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    There is no influence of Islam on the preservation of nationality. Altaians, Khakasses, Yakuts, Shors, Tuvans, etc. live very well and prosper without any influence from Islam. To some extent, the Kyrgyz profess Islam with their own peculiarities, and treat Islam without truthfulness, fanaticism, especially in the northern part of Kyrgyzstan. All sorts of sayings, proverbs and even jokes say this. Like "do what the mullah says, but don’t do what he does" or "A Russian guy came to a Kyrgyz friend and says, listen, I want to convert to Islam, what I need to do, he answers, but just bring a ram slaughter meat, hand it out to the mullah, he’ll cut you off and you’re all Muslim, and so the Russian brings a ram, straight from the heifer, put on a leather apron to the mosque, took a knife, but he can’t cut it, he looked away , went to the mosque there, ten people praying, he, I need one faithful, they froze, a man in an apron with a knife, Russian again, I need one faithful, they showed one, he hung his head out with the Russian. ,, listen, friend, I don’t know how to cut a ram, help with joy, of course, of course. In short, I cut a ram and speaks Russian, let's hang the skin, and together we tried and couldn’t hang it, a ram too healthy Russian volunteered to bring more help, again enters the mosque and again demands the faithful, those in mortality, before nickname in blood with a knife, Russian ,, I need one more faithful ,, And then the mullah rises, overshadowing herself with a cross, here’s the last cross you took the last, "
  • sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 19 August 2013 08: 46 New
    +3
    Someone else wants to reunite with Russia ...
  • user
    user 19 August 2013 10: 16 New
    +1
    Of course, there is humor in this story.
    But when I heard yelling from the minaret, not far from the center, in Novosibirsk the humor begins to disappear
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 19 August 2013 10: 58 New
      +9
      user But for some reason, the chime of an Orthodox church in the center of Baku does not cause me any negative emotions. Does a call to prayer mean "yell"?
      1. Vodrak
        Vodrak 19 August 2013 11: 31 New
        +4
        For user: one cannot relate to someone else’s religion this way, this leads to religious intolerance.
        For xetai9977: you should not pay attention to this. I also do not like beautiful young girls in hijabs and bearded guys in short pants, more and more often passing by my house. Provided that it was never national Kazakh clothing. we even have a company against this, a vaguely true ...
        I am afraid of only one thing: so that the passion for religion does not turn into something more, but it depends on our religious leaders ...
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 19 August 2013 12: 10 New
          +6
          I agree with you Vodrak. There is religion, but there is fanaticism. These are different concepts. The weak, in truth, inaction of official religious figures play a role. As for the hijab, many people confuse the hijab (light head scarf) with a veil (black coverlet to five). For me, it's nice to see a woman in a hijab than in a mini-skirt with a cigarette in her mouth.
      2. user
        user 19 August 2013 15: 02 New
        +1
        The whole humor is that only Orthodox people always lived in Novosibirsk, there was only one church, and now the mosque and the synagogue naturally appeared and the number of churches, well, increased significantly.
        The question is if all of us left for historical homelands from us, then this is for whom.
        1. alone
          alone 19 August 2013 19: 23 New
          +4
          Do you think in the millionth Novosibirsk there are no Muslims left?))))
          1. user
            user 20 August 2013 05: 26 New
            0
            You see, Novosibirsk has never been particularly religious and never raised questions about religious churches. It was probably incorrect to place documentaries in the West Siberian film studio in the Alexander Nevsky Church, but the church was returned to the church. Historical truth has triumphed. Of course there are a certain number of Muslims in the city, there are very few of them, I’m talking about citizens of the Russian Federation. The majority of Muslims about whom you speak are newcomers (migrant workers, who like what name, but not citizens of the country). When we were one country, there were no questions, but now we live in different countries and states. And the imposition of religions and beliefs alien to us is personally unpleasant for me. I just do not want to live like in Europe with their burqa and gameparades.
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 21 August 2013 00: 08 New
              +3
              User, and in Kazakhstan many Orthodox churches are being built, incl. with state support. And even synagogues are being built. This is normal for me. People want to pray - even if they have human conditions for this. But not as it was done in Moscow - two pairs of small mosques for a large mass of Muslims, and as a result - a stampede and an unpleasant sight of worshipers on open ground.
              And if you do not like the fact that there are non-Russians in Siberia, then the Russians did not have to go to Siberia. By default, this was non-Russian land, and the Siberian Khanate was a Muslim, and not an Orthodox state. So Islam in Siberia appeared much earlier than Christianity.
              1. Basileus
                Basileus 21 August 2013 07: 42 New
                0
                Of course, I apologize, but do you know the word "Nestorianism"?
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 19 August 2013 10: 25 New
    +6
    Separatism? Now do you have to break Moldova? Something I do not like this news, although the Gagauz people want to be friends with Russia.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 19 August 2013 12: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: stock buildbat
      Separatism? Now do you have to break Moldova? Something I do not like this news, although the Gagauz people want to be friends with Russia.

      And take a word, if this happens it is not the fault of Russia, but the fault of the pro-Romanian Moldovan authorities.
      Gagauzov is quite satisfied with living in Moldova. But they do not see their future as part of Romania Mare
      1. Sergey ge
        Sergey ge 26 August 2013 16: 56 New
        +1
        100 percent agreed with you hi asen
  • slaventi
    slaventi 19 August 2013 11: 05 New
    +9
    In Russia, most peoples have retained their national identity, this is its uniqueness. Orthodoxy has never crushed nationality. The Russian state did not destroy the ruling hierarchy of small nations, but gave it privileges and included it in its ruling class.
    Take Egypt, the descendants of the ancient Egyptians are the Copts Christians, there are about 6-7 millions of them, which is 8-9% of the rest of the Egyptians. They preserved their ancient language and culture. And those Egyptians who converted to Islam were dissolved in the Arab mass. Or take the former Yugoslavia, which was forcibly divided. In Bosnia and Herzegovina, most of the population are Muslims or Bosnians (during the war the Serbs fought with them). Once many of them were Serbs, but when they converted to Islam, they became Bosnians and ceased to be Serbs.
    So, supposedly, the Turkic peoples retained their identity thanks to Islam, this is what my grandmother said for two. But for a Russian or a Slav to convert to Islam, it’s for sure to lose their national identity.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 19 August 2013 12: 37 New
    +8
    In Gagauzia, Turkish influence in all areas is strong and Proturian-educated youth has already grown there. The language is insanely similar to Azerbaijani. Moldovans send Gagauz to the Turkish Police Academy and they, like other Turkic peoples, study only 4 courses, and not 5 years, like others who they spend 1 year studying Turkish, many of them work, and Turkey is simply closer to them, and the world of the Internet and globalization, the vast expanses of the Turkic world are not a difficulty for the Turks to communicate more and learn about each other.
    1. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 19 August 2013 21: 12 New
      +2
      And why the Turks do not support the Gagauz. They bring up children to you, teach them at school. Then they pay for tuition in Turkish institutions. Contribute to the economy of your country ... And while you do not bear the cost of maintaining their schools, hospitals, the payment of pensions and allowances. Of course, any country agrees to support its free donors ...
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 20 August 2013 11: 24 New
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      Quote: Yeraz
      In Gagauzia, Turkish influence is strong in all spheres, and Protyur-educated youth has already grown there.

      Perplexed ... What does "pristursky educated youth" mean?
  • Apollo
    Apollo 19 August 2013 13: 26 New
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    my previous comment wassat
    Apollo 7 August 2013 21: 21 ↑
    ..........................
    You know how I have such a reverent attitude towards Orthodoxy, you don’t know, then I’ll answer in the south of Moldova the people of Gagauz live, the Gagauz people belong to the Turkic group of the Altai family and they are Orthodox by religion. You guess where my opponent is, they are our brothers, although the faith is different .
    http://topwar.ru/31646-andrey-epifancev-strategicheskoe-soyuznichestvo-armenii-i
    -rossii-pod-voprosom.html # comment-id-1389375

    and video
    it's called Orthodox chants in the Gagauz language



    1. ayyildiz
      19 August 2013 19: 37 New
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      [quote = Apollon] Know where I have such a reverent attitude towards Orthodoxy, don’t know well then I’ll answer the people of Gagauzia live in the south of Moldova, the Gagauz language belongs to the Turkic group of the Altai family and by religion they [/ quote

      Ahmed Davutoglu also appear there on 1 video?
      1. ayyildiz
        19 August 2013 20: 04 New
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        Karamanly (Turkish: Karamanlılar, Greek Καραμανλήδες) is a Turkic-speaking ethnic group of the Greek Orthodox religion who lived in Karaman and the Cappadocia region in central Anatolia. There are different versions regarding their origin. According to one, the Karamanli are Turkized Greeks, since they professed Orthodoxy and used the Greek alphabet to record Turkish speech. However, in their language there are too few words borrowed from the Greek language, which makes this version unlikely. According to another, the Karamanlids are descendants of the Turkic tribes who migrated to this region in the 13th century, as a result of the Mongol invasion and converted to Orthodoxy from Tengrianism. This version is supported by historical sources and a culture common with other Turkic peoples, as well as the fact that the Karamanlid language is close to the dialect of Anatolian Turkmen. The same language is the language of communication among the Diaspora K. The bright representative of this ethnic group is the former Prime Minister of Greece Costas Karamanlis.

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  • Vtel
    Vtel 19 August 2013 15: 38 New
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    After the death of the Sultan, the Turkmens settled in the Dobrudja region (modern Romania) and converted to Christianity under the influence of Byzantium.

    As we noted earlier, Moldovans are a people akin to Romanians, therefore, the Moldovan authorities in the long run tend to unite with Romania.

    It remains to continue this line and add Romania to Moldova to Turkmenistan. In geyvropom with oak will collapse.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 21 August 2013 00: 17 New
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      Quote: Vtel
      It remains to continue this line and add Romania to Moldova to Turkmenistan. In geyvropom with oak will collapse.

      well, once the Oghuzs already succeeded)))))))) these Oghuzs came from Turkmenistan and the Caspian Sea region (Western Kazakhstan), pressed the neck of the Byzantines and other Wallachians and formed the Ottoman Empire) The history of Turkey is simplified)
      it will be necessary - the Turkmens will easily kick Romania’s zop and make a new Oguz state there)))
  • ando_bor
    ando_bor 19 August 2013 15: 39 New
    +1
    In the territory of Ukraine adjacent to Gagauzia, Bulgarians live,
    in my opinion, the Gagauz is a part of the Bulgars that has preserved the language,
    Well, it may be initially something slightly different tribe of these Bulgars.
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    2. Apollo
      Apollo 19 August 2013 18: 52 New
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      So, delete individual comments for nicknames armandos , smersh70 и ayyildiz,as branches that are not related to the designated topic.
      I remind you the topic of the branch,Is an independent Turkic Orthodox state created? not a Karabakh conflict.

      PS
      In terms of violations of the rules of VO, I will not make concessions to anyone.
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      3. valerii41
        valerii41 19 August 2013 20: 52 New
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        You turned out to be not a bad cop, but not there Your bad position of being a host does not add authority to you in this place. You are fighting for the cleanliness of the site a noble task for your "I" Outside this wide field, where you are not dictating your "I". This is said at the highest level. You need to have a sense of tact, either to skip or to put in a tactful form an uncomfortable question. You do not have this quality. In Russia, you fertilize nationalism, your president reminded you of this “I WILL NOT MAKE ANYTHING” is a very bad phrase. The consequences for it are grave
  • alone
    alone 19 August 2013 18: 49 New
    +7
    Do you know what amazes me? why are they jealous of the cooperation of the Turkic peoples and immediately give the name Pan-Turkism to this cooperation? and when Russia takes care of the Slavic peoples, is it accepted normally? after all, when Russia cooperates with Slavic states and peoples, nobody calls it pan-Slavism !! Any cooperation between peoples should be welcomed. Tell me, do Turkic peoples not cooperate with the Russian people and Russia? Any rapprochement should be welcomed, developed, and most importantly, do not interfere! hi
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 20 August 2013 10: 54 New
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      And do you put some negative meaning into the words Pan-Turkism or Pan-Slavism? I do not like Turkey’s leading role in this rapprochement, for example. Somehow googling something about Turan, Tunanism and Pan-Turkism, I came across funny cards in which these storytellers painted half of Russia, all come from Turkey.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 21 August 2013 01: 03 New
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        How does any Turk understand the concept of pan-Turkism? This means that all Turkic countries must unite in one state. The vast majority of Turks have no such desire. Everyone perfectly understands that we can be close friends, communicate, trade, but the united Turkic state is a utopia of schoolchildren and a scarecrow of Slavic alarmists. What language will be in such a state? Turkish? Only Oghuzs (Azerbaijanis, Gagauz, Crimean Tatars and maybe Turkmens) can agree with this. Kipchaks (Kazakhs, Kazan.Tatars, Bashkirs, Sib.Tatars, Kyrgyz) will be against. Karluks (Uzbeks, Uighurs) will also be against. And other Yakuts, Altai, Tuvans will not subscribe to a foreign language. There used to be a literary common language (Chagatai), but now no one speaks it. And it was distributed only among the Horde Turks, and not among the Ottomans.
        We do not have a common religion (although most are Muslim, but there are Orthodox Christians, Catholics, Jews, and shamanists). There is no common border (thanks to the Romanovs and the Bolsheviks who created the "Russian" wedges between the Ottoman region, Azerbaijan, the Volga Turks, the Central Asian Turks and the Siberian Turks in the form of "Russian" regions). In order for the Turks to reunite, it is necessary to destroy Russia by returning the North Caucasus, the Caspian Sea, Orenburg, Siberia. The Türks are not going to destroy Russia. This will affect the security of the Turkic lands that are in Russia. The Türks want to strengthen their current countries and Russia, recreating The Eurasian Empire. For many Russians, this is incomprehensible, but the whole territory from the time of the Turkic Haganate was whole until 1991, falling apart for a short time to reformat the political structure. Even a resident of Bishkek or Osh considers Siberia "his land." But he does not mean that it is necessary to start a war and to take this land away from the Russians, but that it is necessary again to connect. Given the prevailing realities - along with the Eastern Slavs (Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians). Nobody wants to join Russia, because the tsarist and Bolshevik authorities do not cause some kind of trepidation among the Turks. They want to create, in modern terms, a Confederation.
        Yes, there are hotheads who want to create a purely Turkic state, but there are far fewer votes than Russian voices who call for washing boots in the Indian Ocean. It is some Russian media and politicians who invented the "demon" and are dragging themselves from their own consternation. The Türks are not going to create a unitary state with each other, not like fighting for “historical lands”.
        In addition, I remind you that since the collapse of the Horde, the Turks have never waged war of conquest against Russia. On the contrary - it was Russia expanding towards the Turkic lands - as in Central Asia, Siberia, the Caucasus, the Crimea and the Balkans. It is clear that Russian historiography calls this a defensive war, and even manages to blame the Uzbeks for the Russian slave trade, but in reality this is not at all the case. The war with Turkey began due to the fact that the Ottoman Empire harnessed to the Crimea. And the Crimean wars began due to the fact that the Moscow ulus first began to invade the Crimea, Kazan and Astrakhan. Yes, the Crimeans banked with slaves, only it was the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth! And they also gave back soldiers to Moscow, who were sent by Moscow to conquer the Crimea. Crimean campaigns on Muscovy are return campaigns. The Muscovites themselves traded in captive Crimeans, and any Russian historian knows this, he is simply embarrassed to talk about it.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 21 August 2013 01: 05 New
          +2
          The Turks always did not care for the Russian lands, they had enough of their problems with the Greeks, Balkans, gentry and other Europeans. Turk, what then, that today the war with Moscow / St. Petersburg is needed, as the Russian war with Portugal. Moreover, the Turks are very pragmatic people. Everything that is not included in their lebensraum (and Russia has never been included there), they are only interested in as a trading partner.
          Turan is not a country, but the land of Turkic-speaking peoples (even earlier - the land of the Central Asian nomads - Saks). This term has been used since ... the Bronze Age! This is the first time that the Persians of the times of Darius and Cyrus called the land of nomads, and then it became the common Turkic name of their land.
          Turanism - includes not only the Turks, but also the Mongols, Finno-Ugric, Hungarians and Eastern Slavs (Russians and Ukrainians), since the Turinists are based on the basis of the Turan mentality (which was acquired by the peoples living in the Steppe from Mongolia to Hungary). The basis of Tunanism in Russia was laid by Prince Trubetskoy, Gumilyov and other Eurasians who advocated Slavic-Turkic symbiosis.
          In a word, the devil is not so terrible as he is painted in the Russian media.
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 21 August 2013 07: 39 New
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            That's why the Turks, along with the Poles, have always been considered the main enemy. The Crimean Khanate was supported.
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        3. Basileus
          Basileus 21 August 2013 07: 31 New
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          How does any Turk understand the concept of pan-Turkism? This means that all Turkic countries must unite in one state. The vast majority of Turks have no such desire. Everyone perfectly understands that we can be close friends, communicate, trade, but the united Turkic state is a utopia of schoolchildren and a scarecrow of Slavic alarmists. What language will be in such a state? Turkish? Only Oghuzs (Azerbaijanis, Gagauz, Crimean Tatars and maybe Turkmens) can agree with this. Kipchaks (Kazakhs, Kazan.Tatars, Bashkirs, Sib.Tatars, Kyrgyz) will be against. Karluks (Uzbeks, Uighurs) will also be against. And other Yakuts, Altai, Tuvans will not subscribe to a foreign language. There used to be a literary common language (Chagatai), but now no one speaks it. And it was distributed only among the Horde Turks, and not among the Ottomans.

          Well, I understand exactly how cooperation. Since the same pan-Slavism was aimed primarily at cooperation and assistance to the Slavic peoples, if not independence, then gain autonomy from the Turks and Germans.
          I agree with everything else, and in a previous post I wanted to write the same thing, but I could not denounce in some form my thoughts about the fact that the Oghuz and Kipchaks with Karluks had already diverged along too distant historical paths to represent some kind of integrity.
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 20 August 2013 11: 33 New
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      Quote: lonely
      why are here jealous of the cooperation of the Turkic peoples and immediately give the name Pan-Turkism to this cooperation? and when Russia takes care of the Slavic peoples, is it accepted normally? after all, when Russia cooperates with Slavic states and peoples, nobody calls it Pan-Slavism !!

      Something does not occur to me a single example of what you call pan-Slavism. Help, be so kind.
  • family
    family tree 19 August 2013 21: 50 New
    +2
    Thanks, neighing, not over the comments, over the article. I have a grandfather, mother Chuvash, for some reason, considered himself a Slav, probably because he ended his second war in Norway, in the rank of foreman, with a medal "For Courage", and the orders of "Red Star" and "Patriotic War 2 degrees. " And he was proud that on Zapolyarnoye, they did not let the Germans cross the border. Damn, let them pervert their nationalism as they wish. Russia will survive and assimilate ALL. Because here, anyone, no matter what nationality he is, becomes equal, among equals, Bruce, Minich, Barclay, Bagration, Hannibal, Saxons, French, and how many of them drowned under Tsushima, not equal to the Ivanovs, Petrovs, Sidorovs. This is about ordinary people, and not about those with paws, etc. I simply judge in my Arkhangelsk region. If anyone thinks that this is pure Slavic blood, I’ll smile, here, through centuries of exile, hard labor, zones, trips for a long ruble and just for fog, this is mixed, in general, there were only Russians request True, a lot of Russians have left for other cities and villages, so it’s not a pity, you think, some kind of Russian, by the name of Weber, will take root in Ukraine, and the other with the name of Panchenko, somewhere in Kazakhstan. laughing
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 20 August 2013 11: 32 New
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      Quote: perepilka
      Because here, anyone, no matter what nationality he is, becomes equal, among equals, Bruce, Minih, Barclay, Bagration, Hannibal

      My regards. The truth is spoken. And I think the reason lies in the Russian mentality, the spirit of the Russian people. And precisely because the efforts of many, many well-wishers are aimed at the destruction of the Russian spirit in Russia.
  • Asker
    Asker 2 August 2014 00: 08 New
    0
    Young Gagauz Republic? I only favor, respect people who managed to create their statehood wisely, without bloodshed.