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India can not be lost

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After the explosion on an Indian submarine made in Russia (“Sindurakshak”), as a result of which the crew of the warship was killed, and the boat itself was not subject to recovery, frankly, something sank. Well, what is this: if a major accident occurs on a particular object of space or military equipment, then surely the strings lead to Russia ... Or it exploded (fell, did not take off, did not shoot) with ourselves, or with someone, again, the exploded (untrained, unaccounted) of our own production. As they say, it's a shame ...


India can not be lost


The causes of the accident at Sindurakshak have not yet been officially named. There are versions that the accident occurred solely due to the fault of the Indian crew, who did not see anything when charging the batteries of the submarine. However, for now this is exclusively the Russian version. The Indian side still refuses to give comments, and also does not allow the Russian specialists who were directly involved in the construction of the boat to investigate the causes of the accident on the submarine.

And even if we assume that the Russian manufacturers to the state of emergency on the boat, including indirectly, do not have any relation at all, the alarm remains. And the main "worm" of this alarm is related to the fact that our bilateral relations with India, as the main buyer of Russian arms, from Delhi partners can purely hypothetically reconsider, turning their attention to other manufacturers of military equipment. So far, thank God, this is not about this, but as they say, everything flows, everything changes, and therefore you need to hope for the best, but also the worst to keep in mind, especially since India and in addition to "Sindurakshaka" recently Our country (as the main supplier of military equipment) had questions.

I don’t want to once again talk about the fact that Russian military and space manufacturing enterprises are experiencing a significant shortage of qualified personnel, I don’t want to again think about the need to change the approach to the pricing of military equipment, the salaries of employees of military production enterprises, to management. All this has already been discussed, and more than once.

But it is worth talking about the volumes of cooperation that exist in the relations of the military-technical nature between Russia and India today, and what impact a reduction in these volumes can bring not so much on the Russian economy as on the prestige of our country as a manufacturer of modern and effective weapons . Moreover, the understanding of the inadmissibility of missing the Indian client extends, thank God, and to our authorities:

But whatever the results (in terms of investigating the causes of the accident at Sindurakshark - author's note), India is our leading partner in matters not only of the sale and purchase of finished military equipment, it is our leading partner in the prospect of jointly creating military special equipment . We will help India build capacity in this endeavor.
, - Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who closely follows the investigation of the accident on the Sindurakshak submarine, as well as the implementation of the Russian-Indian military-technical contracts in general, made a statement.

The current trade turnover (following the results of 2012 of the year) between Russia and India, of course, cannot be called impressive for such impressive economies. The total trade turnover between our countries is no more than 11 billion dollars (for comparison, the trade turnover between Russia and China was almost 90 billion dollars for 2012 a year), and, for obvious reasons, both states are interested in increasing this is not an impressive value. But in the general figures of the trade turnover between India and Russia, there is an impressive foundation, which is precisely military-technical cooperation. The total indicators of military-technical cooperation here are such that they make up more than 50% of trade and are close to 80% of the total volume of Russian imports of India. According to the FSMTC (Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation), last year Russia supplied weapons in foreign countries for a total amount of 15,2 billion dollars, the main buyer of which was made by the Indian side.

The Stockholm World Research Institute (or SIPRI) cites data that over the past four years, India has bought weapons from Russia for a total of almost 10,5 billions of dollars. In addition to arms purchases, India ordered the repair and re-equipment of large units of military equipment from Russia (the same Sindurakshak, combat aircraft and helicopters). If we add the amounts of the mentioned repair contracts, the total volumes of military-technical cooperation between Moscow and Delhi increase to 16 billion dollars over the last 4-5 years.

Among the contractual obligations of Russia to the Indian side is the re-equipment of the aircraft carrier "Admiral Gorshkov" ("Vikramaditya"), which is to be transferred to India this year, deliveries of more than 7 dozen Mi-17V-5, 970 helicopters aviation engines, several dozen SU-30MKI with technical complexes for licensed assembly production, agreements on the supply of armored vehicles.

If we take into account that India, before 2016, intends to translate into reality plans to increase funding for the modernization of the army to 50 billions of dollars (this is only at the level of imports from other countries in the overall contract portfolio), you can’t miss the opportunity to promote Russian weapons to the Indian market. It would seem that no one is going to miss such opportunities, but still wanting is one thing, and being able is another thing. Any delay in the transfer of the Vikramadityi to the Indian side, any (albeit even the most secret) accident that occurs in India with Russian-made military equipment, unfortunately, does not add to the domestic (Russian) military-technical companies in bilateral relations, no matter turned out to be ultimately guilty in accidents and postponements.

According to forecasts of the World Arms Trade Analysis Center, the Russian share in military technical contracts for the period up to 2016 will drop to 29%, while Israel, the United States and the United Kingdom will significantly strengthen their positions in the Indian market. Such forecasts appeared after the Indian side refused to conclude contracts with Russia for the supply of MI-26T2 helicopters, preferring the American CH-47F Chinook, and also chose the A330MRT aircraft from European Airbus without paying attention to the Russian IL-78MK-90. Only two of these contracts led to the fact that Russia, if I may say so, received almost 2 billion dollars from India. Of course, one can say that it should not have been received by default, given the increasing competition in the global arms trade and related technologies.

A certain circle of specialists suggests that there is no need to “kill” about a hypothetical reduction in the volume of military-technical cooperation with India, but instead you should try to look for additional markets for domestic military equipment. Of course, no one is going to be killed, especially since the reduction in the volume of cooperation so far is associated with single contracts (to win all the tenders and sign all contracts with India is simply impossible by definition). What really causes some concern here is the ephemeral solvency of some other military-technical partners of Russia, in contrast to a truly solvent India. New Delhi pays real money for Russian equipment. At the same time, when buying Russian military equipment, a number of African and Central Asian states are often only attributed to another multi-digit number to their total debt to the Russian Federation, bearing in mind that Russia is a generous country, and then it will be written off in a row. But such write-offs have already happened in the newest storiesand the scale of these write-offs was often so substantial that even multi-billion contracts with India were lost among the written off billions. And for some reason, the write-off often concerned quite fully solvent states ...

That is why even a hypothetical decrease in the rates and volumes of military-technical cooperation with India is not something that scares, but gives food for certain reflections. It remains to rely on the fact that India will continue to remain the main Russian partner in terms of military-technical cooperation, and that all the inconsistencies arising from the operation of our technology in India itself will be analyzed and overcome in close collaboration.
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  1. govoruha-otrok
    govoruha-otrok 19 August 2013 08: 27 New
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    in the construction of the submarine fleet, we are clearly lagging behind, and it is not for nothing that the Indians established their own hulls, etc. as for the crew’s fault, this is a flaw in the designers. I’m not sure, but it’s quite possible that the dawn of AB is carried out in the old fashioned way, manually, the gas composition is controlled by electricians, etc. that does not exclude the human factor. Who knows, let him correct
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 19 August 2013 10: 05 New
      +9
      Of course, nothing can be said about the causes of the disaster. But one thing is certain, it is necessary to raise the quality of defense industry products in any case! After all, even if in this case the crew itself was to blame, but there were precedents. 3 Indian tenders were held, Algeria returned the fighters, several countries also expressed dissatisfaction - you can’t blame everything on the machinations of ill-wishers. There are problems with the quality, and something needs to be done. undertake. Competition is fierce!
    2. 225chay
      225chay 19 August 2013 17: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: govoruha-otrok
      it is quite possible that the AB dawn is carried out in the old-fashioned way, manually, the gas composition is controlled by electricians, etc. that does not exclude the human factor

      Since the beginning of the destruction of the USSR, hundreds of explosions have occurred at military facilities and warehouses ... Constantly for some reason military aircraft and satellites have fallen.
      In Stalin's time, all errors and problems with miscalculations were mandatory.
      Call a mess by your own names - sabotage, sabotage.
      Need to shoot! Start from the very top, from there legs grow
    3. 11 black
      11 black 19 August 2013 18: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: govoruha-otrok
      in the construction of the submarine fleet, we are clearly lagging behind, and it is not for nothing that the Indians established their own hulls, etc. as for the crew’s fault, this is a flaw in the designers. I’m not sure, but it’s quite possible that the dawn of AB is carried out in the old fashioned way, manually, the gas composition is controlled by electricians, etc. that does not exclude the human factor. Who knows, let him correct

      ALL 636 submarines have a gas analyzer in the battery compartment, which will immediately give an alarm if the concentration of hazardous gas exceeds the norm, why it didn’t work, or, more likely, why it wasn’t listened to - a question for the Indian side.
      1. old man54
        old man54 19 August 2013 19: 14 New
        -1
        Quote: 11 black
        why it didn’t work, or, more likely, why they didn’t listen to him, is a question for the Indian side.

        and why such confidence that hydrogen from the battery is the reason for everything ??
        1. 11 black
          11 black 19 August 2013 20: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: old man54
          why it didn’t work, or, more likely, why they didn’t listen to him, is a question for the Indian side.

          and why such confidence that hydrogen from the battery is the reason for everything ??

          Well, this is the leading version so far - the Indians and they still consider it the main one, + the batteries were recharged at the moment of the explosion, and they were very "gasping", flicker and something else, but they didn’t let ours go there, which also said a lot .. .
          1. old man54
            old man54 20 August 2013 01: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: 11 black
            well, this is the leading version so far - the Indians still consider it the main one, + the batteries were recharged at the time of the explosion, and they’re a lot of gas,

            on this boat there was already an explosion of hydrogen from the battery, earlier, why it got to repair in Severodvinsk. But ... then the acre of the intra-compartment fire wasn’t anything, but then it exploded so much that the PC broke through and the boat lay on the ground! Don't you see any oddities? Or is it the same as before? We also had cases of fires from the saturation of hydrogen with compartments in the Navy, but there wasn’t something like that .
            1. 11 black
              11 black 20 August 2013 07: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: old man54
              well, this is the leading version so far - the Indians still consider it the main one, + the batteries were recharged at the time of the explosion, and they’re a lot of gas,

              on this boat there was already an explosion of hydrogen from the battery, earlier, why it got to repair in Severodvinsk. But ... then the acre of the intra-compartment fire wasn’t anything, but then it exploded so much that the PC broke through and the boat lay on the ground! Don't you see any oddities? Or is it the same as before? We also had cases of fires from the saturation of hydrogen with compartments in the Navy, but there wasn’t anything like that ...

              Yes, understand, I’m not saying anything, and it’s impossible to say anything until the Indians allow our specialists to the submarine, weirdly, of course, you’re right, but there’s almost no information about what happened, and there’s only guesswork to build ... request
              1. old man54
                old man54 20 August 2013 13: 40 New
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                Quote: 11 black
                weirdness of course there are you right

                yes this diversion, pure water !!! Explosive device and detonation of BC! hi
  2. Ivan79
    Ivan79 19 August 2013 08: 36 New
    +2
    India, as a buyer and a partner, should not be lost in any case!
    1. govoruha-otrok
      govoruha-otrok 19 August 2013 08: 38 New
      +4
      and for this you need to change something. Imagine if the accident with Nerpa occurred after the transfer to the Indians?
    2. Fin
      Fin 19 August 2013 08: 59 New
      +6
      Gradually we will lose it. Russia has strengthened its military-technical cooperation with China’s geopolitical adversary, and this leads India into the arms of the United States, as it is interested in opposing China.
      1. Hon
        Hon 19 August 2013 20: 35 New
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        Quote: Fin
        Gradually we will lose it. Russia has strengthened its military-technical cooperation with China’s geopolitical adversary, and this leads India into the arms of the United States, as it is interested in opposing China.

        Both China and India are part of the BRICS, in addition, now the tension between China and India is not as strong as before, so we can cooperate with both countries without fear of consequences. Even without Russia, neither India nor China benefits from rivalry, they understand this very well.
        1. alone
          alone 19 August 2013 21: 35 New
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          I would not say so confidently. Recently, India has constantly complained about the Chinese military, who violate the Indian borders.
          1. old man54
            old man54 20 August 2013 01: 25 New
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            Quote: lonely
            I would not say so confidently. Recently, India has constantly complained about the Chinese military, who violate the Indian borders.

            Woooo, it's already warmer !! good And then hydrogen exploded ...
            of course "+" from me! drinks
  3. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 19 August 2013 08: 51 New
    +5
    I am more inclined to the version that the explosion on a submarine is a direct diversion .... and it is aimed at Russia .....
    God grant wisdom to Indian politicians and the military to understand this.
    1. RussianRu
      RussianRu 19 August 2013 09: 19 New
      0
      I agree with you that this is a diversion. And I won’t be surprised that some sort of bribed Russian half-educated engineer also arranged this sabotage.
      1. Armata
        Armata 20 August 2013 07: 10 New
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        The Indians have enough of their underestimates, the level of training of the attendants is very low + Razbolba minsklet, look at the number of accidents in the Indian Air Force.
    2. roial
      roial 19 August 2013 09: 58 New
      +5
      No need to look for a black cat in a dark room - she is not there. It's time to admit that low quality manufacturing is the scourge of the Russian defense industry. In order to look for those responsible in the ranks of the Indian Navy, it is necessary to tighten the manufacturing culture, pay special attention to logistics and the production of spare parts. And then the Indians are forced to buy spare parts in China (there are no Russian ones) and their machinery is being poured from this counterfeit. And it is not surprising that the Russian technology (for the most part the parameters are foreign) is not needed.
      1. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 19 August 2013 10: 53 New
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        Quote: roial
        No need to look for a black cat in a dark room - she is not there. It's time to admit that low quality manufacturing is the scourge of the Russian defense industry. In order to look for those responsible in the ranks of the Indian Navy, it is necessary to tighten the manufacturing culture, pay special attention to logistics and the production of spare parts. And then the Indians are forced to buy spare parts in China (there are no Russian ones) and their machinery is being poured from this counterfeit. And it is not surprising that the Russian technology (for the most part the parameters are foreign) is not needed.

        To produce highly technological things, it is necessary to plow, to grow specialists. And any highly skilled specialist has his own point of view and does not like to bend. And they don’t like such people at state-owned factories, they love the humble ones. So the best ones leave, especially if there are brains, you will not be lost. Everyone wanted to work for the Union for the military, it was the industry elite. And now they work mainly from hopelessness and leave as soon as possible where they pay more. For you cannot feed your family with patriotism. The most important thing in production is people, specialists, not what they are sitting in the office. Those who are in control almost always have a very vague idea of ​​how production lives.
        That is why such a result.
        1. michajlo
          michajlo 19 August 2013 12: 46 New
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          Good afternoon, dear ""! Sorry, I don’t know how to call you by name?

          Alas, though it is regrettable - you are absolutely right! good
          I’ll lose personnel, minds, clever artisans, knowledgeable engineers, technologists, (not office plankton / d * d * d not drown) - it will be possible to catch up for 20 years, but not earlier, together with the return of vocational schools at the factory, Institutes ...

          But for this, in addition to the money that was stolen even before the transfer from the treasury, the will and desire of the authorities to raise the military-industrial complex and punish those responsible / not transfer the top position is required.

          After all, all these numerous reforms, renaming, divisions and mergers, decrees and decrees - do not affect the people!
          Or are the Kremlin still convinced that their SMERDS are all being snatched up? sad
          1. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka 19 August 2013 13: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: michajlo
            Good afternoon, dear ""! Sorry, I don’t know how to call you by name?

            sad

            Vladimir.
            As long as the “Law of the Strong,” and not the law of the law, does not change anything.
      2. Hon
        Hon 19 August 2013 21: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: roial
        it is necessary to tighten the manufacturing culture, pay special attention to logistics and the production of spare parts.

        The problem is not even in the culture of manufacture, we now have a strange absurd situation. Being in the civil service often had to sue various enterprises including the military-industrial complex. In anticipation of meetings, he often communicated with representatives of these organizations, including directors and engineers. Here is just one example, an enterprise is manufacturing some parts for aircraft engines, and they are experiencing the following problems: 1 compared to the union, orders for their products have now decreased tenfold, as a result they are forced to raise prices for them because they cannot remain cost-effective by releasing one hundred parts at a price that would produce them a thousand. The price increase naturally does not please the customer and he exerts various kinds of pressure. 2 metal! The fact is that they buy metal in small batches, and this makes them not interesting for metallurgical companies because in their scale such enterprises are a drop in the ocean. Therefore, on the part of metallurgists, there are constant delays in the supply of materials, and this, in turn, leads to disruption of the terms of delivery of the enterprise, which turns into courts and penalties. It is impossible to go to court for metallurgists, because in this case you won’t get anything at all. During the union, there was a special company that bought raw materials from metallurgists in large quantities, and then distributed it among similar plants. 3 debts and outdated equipment! After the collapse of the union, there were no orders at all, as a result, enterprises were forced to accumulate debts, many so that the workers would not lose their skills to produce products without an order, using the accumulated reserves of raw materials, they knew how to save during the union. Now, enterprises weigh huge debts that keep them on the verge of bankruptcy. Equipment at such enterprises is outdated, it is simply energy inefficient and in poor condition, I remember they were shown the press documents of 1961 onwards. and on machines exported from Germany !!! It is impossible to produce competitive products on such equipment.
        As a result, the situation is as follows: large and successful domestic ones install parts produced at similar plants i.e. often of inadequate quality, but there is nothing to replace them since these parts are often unique and are no longer produced by anyone. Many of these plants are no longer there, which is why large enterprises are forced to abandon projects.
    3. old man54
      old man54 19 August 2013 19: 16 New
      -1
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      I am more inclined to the version that the explosion on a submarine is a direct diversion.

      good good
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      and it is directed to Russia ..

      not really to Russia, if it was like that, then they would have done everything a little differently! hi
  4. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 19 August 2013 09: 53 New
    -2
    You can’t lose anyone. Not only India. Here, Vietnam, after a series of accidents and contract failures, has already turned to the Dutch project of the Sigma frigate. Very disturbing bell.
    1. 225chay
      225chay 19 August 2013 17: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Kibalchish
      You can’t lose anyone. Not only India. Here, Vietnam ...

      Definitely deliberate sabotage and sabotage! To shoot !!!
  5. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 19 August 2013 10: 00 New
    +1
    The boat is reliable, but the project is already 30 years old. Apparently it's time to seriously upgrade the complex.
  6. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 19 August 2013 10: 26 New
    +3
    100% Indians screwed up something and ruined this beautiful machine, and they will be happy to fill us with the fact that this is the manufacturer’s fault and try to roll out the bill.
  7. Mikhail Topor
    Mikhail Topor 19 August 2013 10: 29 New
    0
    "Delhi partners can hypothetically redefine, turning their attention to other manufacturers of military equipment."
    The author, I'm sorry, but talking about the arms market as well as the food market is not professional. The choice of a supplier of military hardware is based on geopolitical goals and is not being revised like-dislike. VVT is a complex technical invention, and working with complaints (through the fault of the manufacturer or through the fault of the operators) is a common technological process.
  8. creak
    creak 19 August 2013 10: 38 New
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    80% of Russian imports to India ... The author needs to be careful - delivering goods abroad is export, and importing into Russia is import.
    1. Volodin
      19 August 2013 12: 12 New
      +4
      So it is for India 80%, therefore, it is import. If you write 80% of exports, then it turns out that Russia 80% of its arms sold abroad is driving to India, which is not true.
  9. SPIRITofFREEDOM
    SPIRITofFREEDOM 19 August 2013 11: 05 New
    +1
    It would be nice if not ours are to blame
    1. alone
      alone 19 August 2013 21: 40 New
      +2
      Well, even if we assume that the boat was bad, but why explain the hundreds of lost Soviet and Russian military aircraft that crashed in India all these years? Rather, the problem is curvature and poor training of personnel.
  10. silver_roman
    silver_roman 19 August 2013 11: 08 New
    +3
    the author has in fact touched on 2 real and not small problems:
    1) export of military products to India
    2) write-off of debts and sale of military equipment against debt.

    This disaster on an Indian submarine looks somehow strange. I won’t be surprised if there was any sabotage again. God grant that does not happen as in the case of Kursk. Nevertheless, we are losing the Indian market extremely rapidly. In fact, in aviation, not counting the FFA, we have all lost. All that remained was the supply of components, and transport heavy helicopters (such as Mi-26), attack helicopters (such as Mi-28N), light fighters (MiG-35), and transporters - all tenders lost. Only the frigates that India purchases are left. In addition, there was recently information that Vietnam was going to acquire a certain number of submarines. And against the background of this tragedy, our partners in Vietnam may think.

    And debt relief. It seems that the DPRK wrote off about 20 billion bucks. This is essentially a huge amount of money. This is a hundred aircraft. Ten strategic submarines of the Borey type. And at the same time, all Koreans are not friends to us and have never really been to them. The fact that we helped them in the war with the states ... there were completely different motives.
    The fact that Cuba was written off may be characterized by really warm relations with Russia. They always supported us ... as they could.
    But I’m sure that there are logical reasons for everything, at least I hope that they are!
    1. matross
      matross 19 August 2013 17: 55 New
      0
      Quote: silver_roman
      But I’m sure that there are logical reasons for everything, at least I hope that they are!

      Yes, only "hope" and remains! Under each write-off, in theory, there should be a real political benefit. But what benefit can be obtained from the crazy and impoverished North Koreans - it is impossible to imagine because of their insanity! They catch up with tension periodically even without write-offs. Most likely they were armed without hope of payment ...
      1. Armata
        Armata 20 August 2013 07: 17 New
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        Even if the North Koreans get rich, they won’t buy anything from us, they have their own military-industrial complex.
  11. Russ69
    Russ69 19 August 2013 11: 09 New
    +3
    It’s bad that our boat died ... But pay attention, no one in India has yet voiced even the version that this boat is unreliable.
    While talking about the desire to rent a couple more.
    1. Trofimov174
      Trofimov174 19 August 2013 18: 16 New
      +1
      Because they know whose hands are to blame.
  12. archi.sailor
    archi.sailor 19 August 2013 11: 15 New
    +3
    I believe that the strictly human factor is to blame. Apparently, in India there are no guidance documents on AB maintenance, but hydrogen has fallen on charge. But these are only my personal speculations.
  13. ankh-andrej
    ankh-andrej 19 August 2013 11: 38 New
    +1
    "You can not lose India"? Or maybe you can’t be tied to individual importers of our military equipment. Correctly say that you need to develop new markets. The same Latin America. Otherwise, such trade will hurt our military industry, when such a customer suddenly stops purchasing products for any reason. The background is already on the face. And not only listed in this article. The tender for the supply of MI-28N helicopters and MIG-35 aircraft to India was lost. Next will be in the same vein. India will turn away, we will need to turn to Pakistan. And then there the Chinese divorced their activities, while the Pakistanis with Americans in litter.
  14. ed65b
    ed65b 19 August 2013 11: 40 New
    +4
    Yes, stop doing alaramism. Hindus took a boat? Accepted. They are still bugs. Was asbestos replaced with bricks? Did they steal the technology? The boilers ... They themselves are to blame. With the boat the same song. In the end, it turns out that the rockets exploded during loading due to a crew error. This info already was. But somehow quickly blurred.
  15. Russ69
    Russ69 19 August 2013 11: 41 New
    +3
    By the way, our specialists joined the investigation.

    Russian specialists located in Mumbai from the Sindurakshak warranty service group for the first time gained access to an emergency submarine that exploded on the night of August 14, Interfax-AVN reports.
    http://vpk-news.ru/news/17126
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 19 August 2013 11: 45 New
      +5
      Russian experts have named a possible cause of the accident of a submarine in India
      Russian experts believe that the cause of an emergency on the Sindurakshak diesel-electric submarine drowned in Mumbai could be improper operation of the equipment, the Economic Times reported.
      According to a source in the naval forces, experts are considering two main versions - “Misuse of equipment and sabotage”.
      http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/8/19/646188.html
  16. Krilion
    Krilion 19 August 2013 14: 34 New
    +6
    yes, as the whiners "prozravalsepolymers" have already gagged ... Indians are such a crooked and worn-out people, besides clinically stupid, that constant incidents with equipment are not an accident but a normal practice ... apparently they forgot what jambs they had before with Russian military equipment and how it all ended ..

    if anyone forgot - I remind you: http://voprosik.net/kak-kleveshhut-na-rossijskoe-oruzhie/
    read and take notes ...

    already saw information from Indian sources - the explosion occurred while loading ammunition - the Club missiles .. these crooked boobies managed to put them in cancer and closed the chain .. as a result, one rocket launched into the pier, the second rocketed right in the compartment ...

    the problem of the Russian defense industry is not in the quality of the products, but in the fact that all our partners can do the most - rummage in a landfill and eat leftovers ... love in India is still officially divided into 86 (eighty-six !!!!) castes .. ..and we supply them with modern weapons ...

    lit here whining already disgusting to read ...
  17. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 19 August 2013 14: 52 New
    +4
    It surprises me why such a huge economy cannot afford to create something like Comrade SMERSH. Stalin overseeing the implementation of both consumer goods and military-industrial contracts and the prevention of sabotage aimed at causing damage to both the economy and the country's image, including the fulfillment of contracts by Russia itself. Given the rich and successful experience of the USSR, this is not only possible, but also cost-effective.
    Such cases should not only be investigated by Russia itself incl. The FSB and the GRU, but also if the perpetrators were found who maliciously did harm, resulting not only in the loss of contracts, but also in damage to the Russian authority, they should be punished by the principle of a pennant, i.e. incl. and foreign citizens.
    In general, the phrase “Whoever comes to us with the sword will die” will be known to all “interested people”, by the way, like the phrase of the US Marines “don’t take the gun out of its holster if you are not going to shoot.”
    Otherwise, all kinds of mongrels, such as the Yakuza, the Hong Kong triad, African pirates or some kind of uninhabited Nazis who crawled out of Shambhala somewhere in Australia and skillfully chasing these "gentlemen of fortune" will tell Sukhoi instruments how high they will hit their cheekbones, and where to which submarines to sink. Spies on a laugh!
  18. yur20100
    yur20100 19 August 2013 14: 59 New
    +4
    I think it was specially blown up so that India refused Russian weapons, and contracts and further deliveries fell through
  19. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 19 August 2013 15: 10 New
    +2
    By the way, if the Russian leadership follows in the footsteps of Peter the Great, and punishes all clergymen in every prayer service, in every church, every priest “wish the enemies of Russia — those who want Russia's misfortunes, that they get 3 times more what they want for us” (which is consistent with Christian laws), then, I think, that the ROC, at last, will not only be able to serve its people, but will also make a visible contribution to the strengthening of Russia and respect for Orthodox Russians by other religions and, first of all, in Russia itself.

    PieS: think, suddenly, like in a fairy tale, Lada Zhiguli becomes the most reliable and noiseless car, and it’s impossible to sit in a porsche - the plastic rattles like a rattlesnake with the tail of enemies.
  20. goats denis
    goats denis 19 August 2013 20: 29 New
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    Maybe we still kneel before the Indians, do not care, do not want to buy, we will sell to China, Pakistan, Sri Lanka. More independence, and a little bit of rigidity. They want to crawl themselves and say sell, and we tanks went to China, SU-34 to Pakistan, all RPGs to Afghanistan.
    1. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian 13 September 2013 11: 43 New
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      Well, what? Before 2isu.som and his apl + - Piedro and Pavel: even the Russian Tsar knelt, and his forehead broke. And what are you - not "Russian"! ???

      In my opinion, only the "damn draftsmen" the Bolsheviks defeated this pag (L) deadly habit, and built A.P.K.K. , for which they: "Honor and Glory, forever and ever! in, now, fresh and future" + for the depth of immersion "+"
  21. 123_123
    123_123 19 August 2013 21: 59 New
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    Of course, part of the problems with Russian-made equipment arise due to the loss of Soviet scientific and technical potential and quality control, a lack of qualified and partial production specialists ... But it’s also worth thinking about paid wrecking. In vain, confiscation and the death penalty were abolished nevertheless.
  22. rudolff
    rudolff 20 August 2013 01: 33 New
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    The fact that Russia in the Indian market of military equipment and weapons has been significantly suppressed is an accomplished fact, and not a hypothetical version of the distant future. It is time for our leaders from the military-industrial complex to understand that for a share in this market they will have to seriously fight in the competition and that the Indians will no longer buy the equipment just because it was produced in Russia.
    In the near future, possibly in the fall, the next Indian tender (75i) for six nuclear submarines will be held. They are no longer satisfied with our diesel-electric Varshavyanka, they want ships with VNEU. The French offer their Scorpen, Germans Type-214, Spaniards S-80, well, we Amur-1650. And already everywhere they boastfully trumpeted that we were the undisputed leaders of this tender. It is a pity the Indians do not think so. The fact is that the only analogue of the Amur pl Lada project "St. Pererburg" is still in trial operation and does not yet meet all the stated characteristics. Moreover, our VNEU has not yet matured even to the stage of a full-scale specimen, which has been “riding” on the stand for a year already. The timeframe for the submission of this installation to the fleet is transferred from year to year. The nearest announced date for today is 2016. Well, and how are we going to defeat competitors? In the hope that the Indians at the last moment will abandon the requirements for the presence of VNEU? Or, that having received an advance we will manage to concoct this “unparalleled” installation quickly (while the hulls are being built)?
    By the way, the last Indian tender for 6 submarines (2003-2005) we have already lost to the French Scorpen.
    1. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian 13 September 2013 11: 48 New
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      I wonder where the ex-USSR stores for rocket and tennis supplies look.

      Is there really such a cool "Karate Kid" in Indochina that SamBo and Gong-shu are not able to beat 1X?
  23. kelevra
    kelevra 26 December 2013 20: 16 New
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    India must not be lost! Recently, we have developed a tendency for the Indians to abandon Russian weapons! This is very bad, you need to look for the causes of this phenomenon and solve them!