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Why "kin will not." To the scandal around another lie about the War

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... And again disturbing news come from the front for minority freedom. The self-selected progressive public is concerned that the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation “banned” the shooting of Alexander Mindadze's feature film “Dear Hans, dear Peter” on the basis of tyranny.


The public is rightly concerned.

Because her real problem is not at all what public tears are about.

This problem is called - meaningful state policy in the field of culture. What warned Comrade. Putin What is written in official letters in the state program of the Ministry of Culture. And for some reason, the freedom-loving swamp community considered empty populism. And in vain.

Let's take a look at this. history not from the point of view of speculative "freedoms", but as it really is.

What really happened?

Director Mindadze wanted to legally receive a little public money (that is, due to tax deductions from our salary or business income) to create an art film about the friendship of German and Soviet engineers in a romantic love triangle amid the alarming 1940 year.

The Ministry of Culture didn’t give any money to us in the legal order - as a result of the application being reviewed by three instances. The expert board of live-action cinema was in favor, and the military-historical and socio-psychological advice was opposed.

Please note: the Ministry of Culture in the person of its legitimate authorities did not “ban” the film, but refused to give public money for its filming. That is, from the point of view of legality and traditionally interpreted civil and entrepreneurial freedoms, everything is logical, there is nothing to even quarrel about.

So why scandal?

Columnist of the state agency RIA Novosti, Yuri Bogomolov, complains that “censorship is being infiltrated in one way or another into the sphere of artistic practice.”

Gazeta.ru explains that “the rights to assumptions for the realization of their creative intent are violated”.

The injured director Mindadze is distraught on the air of Ekho Moskvy: “I cannot yet comment this situation consciously. Because, apparently, there is confusion. "

That is: before everything was fine, and suddenly all of a sudden - such is Stalinist tyranny.

Well, the guilty one is ready: of course, Vladimir Medinsky, the strangler of creative freedoms, who, as soon as he became minister, immediately choked and began - it suffices to recall the story of the film “I Serve the Soviet Union” on NTV. True, the Minister personally does not formally have a relationship with this particular decision, but it is clear that a stranger is still the same.

Let us return, however, to the outrage of minorities.

It would be very logical to cling to the banal avarice. The fact is that the Mindadze film is a Russian-German co-production. And the Germans give their money for his shooting. But not one hundred percent, but only on equal footing with the Russian state. And, since the Russian state does not give money, the Germans allegedly can also come off. There is a financial loss of the creative team.

Perhaps such a household motive is present in indignation.

But at least, this motive is hardly the only one and the defining one.

Well, if only because Alexander Mindadze himself is not a grabber, but a great artist; he and without any creative success of Medina is a box.

And in general, the outraged public will find at whose expense to profit - Minkultovskie crumbs are not decisive here.

What matters is, you wonder, ideology. And to be honest - the ideological war, where the question is simple: about our survival.

What is this movie about?

Let us turn to the story, which was studied by the relevant councils of the Ministry of Culture.

... In 1940, at a certain Soviet factory (by all appearances, it was defense, and then we didn’t have non-defense, in essence) launching the process of producing optical glass. Glass is boiled in the USSR by the Germans sent from Nazi Germany. And nothing they can not. The accident at the plant during the next attempt to weld, finally, this very optical glass inflates the nerves even more in the group of technical specialists. In addition, one of these engineers is a woman, and one of the Germans craves her, and she craves someone. And there is also a Russian hero wedged in. Then, of course, the evil Stalin and Hitler forcibly make cute characters enemies against Human Rights and the Art Truth, from which everyone suffers ...

So here. Regardless of the highly artistic representation of the production and romantic twists and turns, all this from a historical point of view is disinformation and lies.

The situation described in the scenario is physically impossible.

Because there was no military-industrial cooperation between the USSR and Nazi Germany in the real 1940 year. If anyone is interested in well-known facts, then Weimar (pre-Nazi!) Germany in accordance with the Rapall Treaty in 20-s really made a significant contribution to the development of the Soviet defense and Soviet military science, but with the coming of the Nazis to power this extremely useful process was ruthlessly curtailed. the tacit consent of the parties - because for some reason they did not want to strengthen the obvious military enemy either in Moscow or in Berlin.

This is a lapidary scientific fact that turns the rest of the drama of the work in question, at best, into a meaningless fantasy.

And it is this lapidary scientific fact that brings to the public a member of the military-historical advisory council under the Ministry of Culture, Mikhail Myagkov: “... The authors of the film, due to a misunderstanding, or maybe out of ignorance, transferred the realities of the times of the Weimar Republic to a different historical period ... Rublev "during the Civil War ..."

Actually, the film conceived is such an art house on a production theme, which, of course, will find its audience. Question: what's the Russian state?

This is a film about the Germans. Soviet people, of course, appear in it, but sporadically - and they look, by the way, much paler than the liberated and energetic Aryans from the Third Reich. But, most importantly, relations within the close German group have nothing to do with the history of our country. Freudian experiences of the protagonist - his own business, probably interesting to the German audience. A movie about the Germans do not necessarily shoot it in Germany. It can be removed both in Russia, and in Australia, and in Argentina. But it is not clear why this should be done for the money of Russian taxpayers.

The Germans who finance the project are interested in their ancestors not looking outcasts: then, before the war, we dealt with the Russians with one thing (using a concrete example of glass melting and, as implied, joint planning of the live-life war in world history) are generally the same. Normal such. It is not necessary to broadcast the identity of Hitler and Stalin, it is possible to show how the Russians and the Germans are fighting over this damned optical glass together. How production drama is colored by the Freudian complexes. As ordinary people are engaged in their important affairs, live production and personal problems. Such a film could be made in 1973, and in 1983 without any hefty literate geopolitical allusions. Yes, so here is the same: "Moscow does not believe in tears." Only (and that is why) is better.

This is a first approximation.

And here you can dig a little more and in the new approximation note that the pre-war life of the Germans untouched by the corrosion of Nazism is becoming a trend in German cinema. The scandalous “Our mothers, our fathers”, where the development of such an “innocent” idea of ​​the pre-war - in fact through Nazi - Germany, caused a storm of emotions in today's society there. Relief from a sense of historical guilt - how great it is! And shifting it to someone else is a high! That is why a short and thoroughly deceptive episode in which Russian soldiers shoot wounded German soldiers looks like a logical one in “Our Mothers” and then nurses are raped.

... These considerations against are fair.

But not exhaustive.

What is the matter really?

But the matter is as Vyacheslav Telnov, head of the department of the Ministry of culture in cinematography summarizes: “Guided by a common opinion, we decided that a film that does not correspond to our ideas of war should not be released on the 70 anniversary of the victory over Germany.”

Namely, all the factual disinformation and lies on which the plot of the film project under discussion was based was invented by specially trained citizens and put into public circulation in order to substantiate another lie - about “equal responsibility of the totalitarian regimes of Stalin’s USSR and Hitler’s Germany in unleashing World War II war.

The applied political motivation of this lie for the beneficiaries and enthusiasts of the current world order is clear: the historically recorded fact of the Russian Victory of 45 does not fit the lucrative and salutary concept of the coming global restructuring. This is not even Russophobian cunning: "nothing personal - only business." This motivation is in itself hostile to the Russian state. It is hostile to such an extent that it should be, according to the mind, not at all the Ministry of Culture and even the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but the Ministry of Defense and the Supreme Commander personally to the heap: no matter how hard the enemy does not give up, it’s clear what to do.

But the matter is not even in the world order - to hell with him.

In the appeal of the Minkult official Telnov to “our ideas about the war”, more is more important. Namely: the significance of the history of our Victory for the Russian society itself.

And not only and not so much for the veterans with whom Telns politically correctly covered: this is supposedly "not the look that veterans of the Great Patriotic War are waiting for." It is necessary to understand a simple thing: a great generation of winners inexorably leaves us. A couple of anniversaries - and witnesses, even non-participants in the war, can be counted on the fingers. But, leaving, these people leave us a legacy of Victory Day - which in fact has already become a holiday without gray hair at the temples.

The majestic history of Victory is the only unconditional and non-negotiable moral bond that today makes us truly a people. And in our understanding, and in the space of world history.

The lie about the generation of the Winners - even if not by malicious intent, but by the usual ignorance for the creative intelligentsia - is by definition a diversion against Russian society and the state. Because regardless of the creator’s self-perception, the goal is not demographic, but spiritual destruction of Russian civilization. And our civilization is not just a guarantor of Russian sovereignty, but also a guarantor of rationality and fairness of the world order as a whole, which has been proved by historical practice. In May 45 was proven.

And just as the preservation of Russian civilization as a spiritual subject is, in the extreme, the mission of the state cultural policy.

Therefore, the most convincing argument against "dear and dear" - completely reinforced concrete irrational in Russian - led Miagkov: "I would be ashamed if my children saw such a film."

Therefore, today the Minister Medinsky is going, as officially announced, to personally explain to the director Mindadze the position of his institution. After all, Medina, not as an individual or a historian, but as an official, represents the very state that officially recognized Solzhenitsyn as the “conscience of the nation,” generously funded “Tired of the sun” and babbling something about “de-Stalinization” - and, therefore, responsible for the perverted humanitarian environment in which the artist Mindadze arise incomprehensible creative fantasies. And the artist is the same, in fact, a citizen like the other millions and millions of Russians.

And, by the way, we will note in parentheses, if the German film investors, due to the decision of the Russian Ministry of Culture, decide not to sponsor such an artistic project, it will also bring immense benefit to the German people. However, in passing, to cause good to the brothers in mind is also an everyday Russian mission.

In this way.

As of today, we have a systemic fact that the Russian state, through its Ministry of Culture, is demonstrating readiness and ability to fight for truth and justice within the framework of its at least some powers and at least on what sections of the front. It is to fight - you need to understand what is actually happening in our society now. And this fact is welcome.

It can also be reserved in this light to hope that the concept “commissioned by the Ministry of Culture” will eventually return to our life as a trustworthy certificate of quality for a work of art. And accordingly, the summary “is not recommended ...” (by the way, it would be nice to legitimize something like that) - as an alarm.

But at the same time, we must understand that the Ministry of Culture is not a single collective epic superhero. Like last year, contrary to the public position of the Minister of Culture, the disgusting film movie “I Serve the Soviet Union” was still shown on June 22 TV, so today the film project “Darling Hans, dear Peter” has all chances to be realized: and the German sponsors have not yet disappeared, and the board of trustees of the “independent” Cinema Foundation intends to consider the application (and there they have the legal right to pour out so much money that no Ministry of Culture and its crumbs is needed).

And then the fate of the film - if it is removed, despite everything - and its impact on our children will depend on not on Medina, but on the notorious “civil society”. From us with you, if in a good way. It was then - only in our power to provide this diversion with a resounding collapse, as it happened with “Anticipation” - “Citadel”, “... One Woman”, “Spy”.

And the only way - every day.
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  1. zart_arn
    zart_arn 17 August 2013 13: 12
    -45 qualifying.
    Most likely a banal cut of the dough - they did not give it because they did not agree. The current functionaries from the cinema have long had moral problems and historical incidents on the drum.
    1. tarks
      tarks 17 August 2013 13: 18
      44
      Not at all. Functionaries always only reflect the "general line".
      That's why they are functionaries. Otherwise, they will stupidly lose lumber.
      1. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 17 August 2013 17: 31
        47
        Quote: tarks
        Not at all. Functionaries always only reflect the "general line". That is why they are functionaries. Otherwise, they will stupidly lose lumber

        ... but what is it really bad when the "general line" more and more often began to coincide with the "moral and moral" interests of the majority of the people ... of the people on whose taxes films are made too. With the advent of MEDINSKY, there are more and more such refusals to fans of "free sensation at our expense". I don't see anything bad in this.
        Yes-ah! Film director A. MINDADZE! A good specialist ... but why does he not rent in Georgia ... or does "SHAAKALOSHVILI" don’t give money? Something too many creative representatives of our former Soviet republics, and now "independent", are trying to work in RUSSIA at the expense of our taxpayers. Do they really not appreciate there (for example, in GEORGIA - MINDADZE) such prominent and valuable personnel ???
        1. valerii41
          valerii41 18 August 2013 17: 34
          +4
          The point is to spend Georgian money on anti-Russian propaganda, when there is almost anything in the Kremlin in Russia. Then kai those who urinate on the eternal fires. It's time to expel this Georgian rubbish from Russia. Another film was shot by Armenians with the participation of Kikobidze, also another Russophobe. Stop turning Russia into a garbage pit.
          1. Airman
            Airman 19 August 2013 09: 29
            +4
            Quote: valerii41
            The point is to spend Georgian money on anti-Russian propaganda, when there is almost anything in the Kremlin in Russia. Then kai those who urinate on the eternal fires. It's time to expel this Georgian rubbish from Russia. Another film was shot by Armenians with the participation of Kikobidze, also another Russophobe. Stop turning Russia into a garbage pit.

            Let it be better to shoot a film in Georgia about the Georgian - Ossetian "victorious" war.
        2. discard
          discard 18 August 2013 21: 48
          0
          The general line must be true. And if the truth is selective, then this is called a lie.
      2. Airman
        Airman 17 August 2013 22: 10
        +6
        Quote: tarks
        Not at all. Functionaries always only reflect the "general line".
        That's why they are functionaries. Otherwise, they will stupidly lose lumber.

        And why not Mindadze appeal to the Union of Filmmakers of Georgia, they would support him there. We do not perceive many films of Mikhalkov.
      3. psdf
        psdf 18 August 2013 04: 51
        +7
        By the way, maybe he can collect signatures so that no, damn it, advice of state money for this would give.
        And in order not to get up twice, what needs to be done so that libel names like "I Serve the Soviet Union" are prohibited from giving. A painfully painful combination is obtained.
        1. valerii41
          valerii41 18 August 2013 17: 35
          +2
          How to collect signatures? I am for.
    2. Mitek
      Mitek 17 August 2013 13: 38
      68
      Quote: zart_arn
      Most likely a banal cut of the dough - they did not give it because they did not agree. The current functionaries from the cinema have long had moral problems and historical incidents on the drum.

      Alas, the movie director Mikhalkov confirms the second part of your message, but I do not agree with you in the first part. Slowly it reaches the heights that the foundation of the future is being laid now .. Both the prohibition of filming this shit and the barrage prices for smoking and alcohol confirm this. Maybe it seems to me, but there are much less drunk. Do not wallow in all corners as before. Meet, but not so often. And the prices for alcohol and tobacco were not raised for you and me .. they were raised to protect the younger generation from this infection. As recently as yesterday, in a roadside cafe I watched a protocol for the sale of alcohol to a minor. I think that here we are on the right track. Sorry for the stamp))
      1. yak69
        yak69 17 August 2013 17: 16
        16
        I am sorry that people are not changing for the better. A. Mindadze wrote excellent scripts for many films: "Plumbum or a Dangerous Game", "Parade of Planets", "Train Stopped", "Spring Call", etc. And these films are good, useful and interesting.
        What happens to people that breaks their gut so?
        There is such a director, Andrey Smirnov. He shot the cult film "Belorussky Station", and recently shot "Once upon a time there was a woman." Complete opposite!
        It doesn’t reach me, how can one turn inside out like that ?!
        1. 12345
          12345 17 August 2013 18: 01
          +4
          Quote: yak69
          It doesn’t reach me, how can one turn inside out like that ?!


          Easy! Read The Bluebird. Or look at a Soviet cartoon.

          "If you only try once from Burzhuin's table ..." ©
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 17 August 2013 18: 49
          +4
          Quote: yak69
          I am sorry that people are not changing for the better. A. Mindadze wrote excellent scripts for many films: "Plumbum or a Dangerous Game", "Parade of Planets", "Train Stopped", "Spring Call", etc. And these films are good, useful and interesting.

          It seems to me that a man took up his usual business, which he did very well - a description of interesting characters, situations with extraordinary development, but did not understand a very important point: this is not an everyday story, but the HISTORY of the country and people. Which you need to approach very reverently.
          Here we need masters who feel not only the stirring of the nerve endings of the characters, but the breath of that great era. Mindadze was good with both Fox Hunt and Plumbum. But these are things that are on a different plane from what he swung this time. The very time in which he transfers his heroes dictates the requirements. Here Mindadze, apparently, is powerless to touch the strings of the Russian audience.

          This incident somehow echoes Mindadze's script for the film "Space as a Premonition".
          From the review of the film about the main character Skate, played by Evgeny Mironov (“The Art of Cinema”, 2000, No. 10):
          Immaturity, naivety, bordering on stupidity and betrayal, social blindness, lack of courage and at the same time a craving for freedom, to expand the boundaries of one’s own existence - all these motives are present both in the hero’s mental structure and in the structure of the script.
          1. yak69
            yak69 17 August 2013 19: 49
            15
            Quote: Flood
            I did not understand at the same time a very important point: this is not a domestic history, but the HISTORY of the country and people. Which you need to approach very reverently.
            Here we need masters who feel not only the stirring of the nerve endings of the characters, but the breath of that great era.

            It turns out that it was not for nothing that Lenin and Stalin mistrusted the intelligentsia and considered them potential traitors. Time has fully confirmed their fears, it is worth taking a closer look at the current former: Mikhalkovs, Yevtushenko and others.
            That is why he kept this whole community in "iron grip". I saw through and through their rotten essence!
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 18 August 2013 08: 28
              +8
              Quote: yak69
              It turns out that it was not in vain that Lenin and Stalin mistrusted the intelligentsia and considered them potential

              A soldier without work is a potential criminal. The intelligentsia must be loaded with work, and beyond the Moscow Ring Road, all kinds of construction sites, BAMs, permafrost.
              1. AleksUkr
                AleksUkr 18 August 2013 15: 06
                +4
                Before Lenin and Stalin there were still smart people:

                “In 1881, after the assassination of Alexander II by the Narodnaya Volya, a fair number of fine-minded Russian liberals (who had long suffered from dislocations of the intellect) began a noisy campaign, urging the new emperor to forgive and pardon his father’s killers. The logic was as simple as a lowing: upon learning that the emperor had pardoned them, bloody terrorists will be touched, repent, and in the blink of an eye they will become peaceful lambs, engaging in some useful business. (...) It was he who, once in his hearts threw away a foot of liberal newspapers, exclaimed: “Rotten intelligentsia!” A reliable source - one of the ladies-in-waiting of the imperial court, daughter of the poet Fyodor Tyutchev "(A. Bushkov Russia, which was not. - M.:" Olma-press ". - 1997)"
                1. zennon
                  zennon 18 August 2013 20: 53
                  +1
                  The logic was simple, like a lowing: upon learning that the sovereign had mercy on them, the bloody terrorists will be touched, repent, and in the blink of an eye will become peaceful lambs, doing some useful work

                  And what was they worried about? On the morning of January 24, 1878, Zasulich received an appointment with Trepov in the building of the St. Petersburg City Administration (Gorokhovaya St., 2/6) and shot him with a pistol in the chest, seriously injuring him. father is an officer. And she’s a terrorist! So what? Governor Trepov received permission to carve the rude Bogolyubov from the Minister of Justice Count Palen and acted lawfully. For such crimes, from 15 to 20 years of imprisonment were supposed. The jury on April 12, 1878 completely ... acquitted Zasulich! "Rotten intelligentsia!" Was happy! request
          2. smile
            smile 17 August 2013 21: 38
            +8
            Flooding
            Well, you seem to be right ... well, a person was mistaken ... took up his usual business, describing interesting characters ... but here's a strange thing, for some reason it’s a common thing for some people like this, slandering Russians, the USSR and Russia ... he does not create a film, for example, in which American Hitler tries to conquer the whole world and, under the guise of democratic values, cover the planet with a network of concentration camps ... or does not create a picture of how the Americans, along with the Nazis, say, attacked the USSR (although it is their and the British’s merit in the appearance of Hitler Germany. so that it’s not a naty truth) ... no, his (and his ilk) lie concerns exclusively us and is directed exclusively against us .... therefore, I was not mistaken he just got out his rotten nature .... and if a person is rotten. it doesn’t matter if he is a talented bastard or stupid ... a bastard is a bastard ...
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 18 August 2013 17: 40
              +3
              Quote: smile
              Well, you seem to be right ... well, a person was mistaken ... took up his usual business, describing interesting characters ... but here's a strange thing, for some reason it’s a common thing for some people like this, slandering Russians, the USSR and Russia

              smile, You did not quite correctly interpret my position.
              It could have been tougher, but I don’t think that would be true.
              In view of the fact that I am not familiar enough with this person and do not want to base my accusations on the basis of someone else’s words.
              I didn't write anything about the "error". Errors are different. This is an absolute misunderstanding of the history of the country in which you live. If it's a mistake, then it's fatal. Which cannot be changed.
              And I will emphasize once again, in case you have not read my previous post to the end, that this topic has something in common with the film, shot according to Mindadze's script "Space as a Presentiment".
              If it’s not clear already, then I’ll simply write - I regard it as a betrayal, although the reasons for this may be completely ambiguous.
          3. kavkaz8888
            kavkaz8888 18 August 2013 09: 57
            +1
            It turns out that a wonderful artist for the HOUSEHOLD, decided to shoot a serious movie.
            And how did it happen that at first he received a promise from the Germans (money), and then drowned to ours (for money)?
          4. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 18 August 2013 12: 51
            +4
            Yes, he understood everything. It's just ... money is needed! Them, the creators of the "great" in Moscow - rowing with a shovel. Tens of thousands and none of them wants to work. And he wants to describe the "stream of consciousness" in comfort, and then shoot a film and in the process of all this receive, receive and receive (the term "earning" is inapplicable to them in principle). Overproduction of all this human rubbish. So very certain people take how much they can draw and tell the sample - shoot a film on the proposed topic, such and such. Who is ready? Who is not ready - you can continue to run on events in order to chew what for free, sparkling with dubious starry. Well, this one is quite ready. What's surprising? The good news is that the authorities finally woke up ...
          5. pensioner
            pensioner 18 August 2013 17: 29
            +1
            Quote: Flood
            "Space as a premonition".

            I looked at the time ... Feeling disgusting.
          6. valerii41
            valerii41 18 August 2013 18: 11
            +6
            In the 80s, there was a country of solid Russophobes in Georgia. When I went for the first time, I was crammed with international bullshit, high intelligence, ancient culture, a courageous nation, a significant contribution was made to the history of Russia, and only Georgia the Russian favorite with this baggage moved to those lands . My friends told me to come as a fascist. I saw a financially rich country of groomed Georgians and Georgians, imported cars, and the lack of factories where you can earn money smartly. There were 2 tank factories in Tbilisi, and the Russians were the main workers there. Plumbers received 1400-1700 rubles a month, in Russia an engineer of the highest category received 240 rubles a month. The whole life of Georgians is built on lies and demagogy. I was playing with interest listening to the Georgians and Armenians that our salary of 240 rubles was so large compared to 1700 rubles of Georgians and this couple was so happy that they convinced me. Our Soviet propaganda on fooling Russians worked in exactly the same way, I just compared demagogues
        3. Zybrov
          Zybrov 17 August 2013 20: 11
          15
          And why is this happening ????? Why are directors who used to make great films (The Same Mikhalkov) in recent times for the last 20 years have been making criminally obscene films ??? -And because before there was censorship and ideology, the filmmaker’s tyranny and nonsense in his head weren’t allowed to appear on the screen, so they had some kind of incentive to shoot deep moral films And right now the dough budget was saved and shoot whatever you want, For ours with you the money is blasphemed by our grandfathers !!! I think _ It is NECESSARY TO RETURN CENSOR !!! Blocked Mindadze-done right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          1. valerii41
            valerii41 18 August 2013 18: 37
            +2
            The whole history of Georgia consists in finding a wealthy master and then equals the master. Persia in the 18th century began to lose its status as Georgian princes held high administrative and military posts. And during this time, Russia gained political and military weight, and the Georgians shook their pants on the imposition of the St. George Treatise. During the Crimean War, Russia was defeated by Georgians kissing with the Turks, in 20 years, the Germans after Versailles, the Georgians against the British They simply distanced themselves and stuck on our neck. Our kings rather strongly let our nobles into their dining rooms were outraged by the fact that the number of princes of Georgia was almost equal to the number of princes of Russia, for comparison, a pea and a large table. For 10 Georgian sheep 1 prince
            1. Horn
              Horn 19 August 2013 07: 56
              +2
              And what did you want: in Greece - there is a king on every island, in Georgia - a prince in every village. If it were in Russia, then imagine: the prince of the village of Gadyukino ... Does not sound.
        4. smile
          smile 17 August 2013 21: 26
          +2
          yak69
          You know, I consider it necessary to support your comment not only with a plus sign, but also with letters, because you and I recently got into a mess ...:))) ... I absolutely agree with you, from the first to the last letter ... it also doesn’t fit in my head ...
        5. Ustas
          Ustas 18 August 2013 07: 46
          +1
          Quote: yak69
          What happens to people that breaks their gut so?

          Another social circle.
        6. lyuboyan
          lyuboyan 18 August 2013 16: 27
          +3
          People, of course, are changing and not always for the better. But, rather, not in its deepest essence, but in outlook on life, in preferences, etc.
          Apparently, both Mindadze and Mikhalkov, in essence, were always what they were now. Most likely, they always, to put it mildly, did not like either the country in which they lived or the social system of this country. They are talented people, so they adapted talentedly. Or maybe they just ran out of steam and their talent ran out? I’m not saying anything, just thinking.
          1. valerii41
            valerii41 18 August 2013 18: 45
            +2
            In the 19th century, our gentlemen lounged around Europe, and a peasant plowed at them, you can think of revolutions in bulk and destroy the Russian spirit and culture, some died sooner and some were torn off later
        7. alexng
          alexng 20 August 2013 16: 30
          +1
          Apparently the man is ruled by the conjuncture. In difficult times, it is especially true for such people. They say one thing, but think about something completely different, but actually do the third thing.
      2. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 17 August 2013 17: 34
        +5
        Quote: Mitek
        I think that here we are on the right track. Sorry for the stamp))

        ... not only sorry ... but plus! Our thoughts and ALIUM ... and on the SCREEN of computers coincide ...
      3. Basil123
        Basil123 17 August 2013 23: 14
        +4
        The people have just begun to recognize themselves as part of a great power, they are also called patriots ury)))))))))) I think it's good and pragmatism .... not for all censorship is needed we are not living in the geyrop, the younger generation should assassinate their belonging to great power I think it will be so wink
      4. dmitrich
        dmitrich 18 August 2013 05: 33
        +7
        it would not hurt to ban American films where they make Russian fools, and our TV channels happily broadcast them.
      5. valerii41
        valerii41 18 August 2013 17: 40
        +1
        In the office where I worked, the kindergartens of the girl’s teacher were restored only at the corners. I asked them a question; we trust our grandchildren with you; they only grunted
    3. Civil
      Civil 17 August 2013 20: 15
      -11 qualifying.
      Similarly, the dough did not agree!
    4. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 17 August 2013 21: 15
      +2
      I'm sorry, you didn’t deserve a plus
  2. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 17 August 2013 13: 15
    30
    Oh, I can’t even believe it. Why's that? How long? How consistent will it be?
    BUT!
    BRAVO TOV. MEDIAN COMPANIES FROM MINKULT (a)!
    1. tarks
      tarks 17 August 2013 13: 21
      31
      Yes. Medinsky has long been positioning himself Russian. Unlike the inhabitants of the Moscow echo of Washington.
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 17 August 2013 16: 05
        +7
        The figure of Medinsky has never caused me special enthusiasm, but in this situation he did the right thing. And if you are mastering budget millions in the field of cinema, you should think with your head about what they offer the viewer, soon they will probably try to make films about gays with budget money.
  3. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 17 August 2013 13: 18
    +5
    There are no adequate directors in Russia.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 17 August 2013 15: 45
      14
      Quote: ivshubarin
      There are no adequate directors in Russia.

      I want to express my thoughts on what is happening.
      Most likely the essence of this problem boils down to the fact that the authors of our cinematography brought up by our society remove fantastic nonsense and we really do not have talents.
      For example films of Gaidai.
      Censorship in Soviet times was a fairly real force.
      Film limit - who knows the real brake.
      Yes, for half of those texts one could easily end up among the dissidents or go to explore the vastness of Siberia.
      And it turned out masterpieces!
      At the moment, they are filming a digital number. There are no limits. There is no censorship. You can find money, now there are a lot of businessmen who want to become famous. But there are no movies. Mostly one-time viewing ribbons. They stopped making serious movies.
  4. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 17 August 2013 13: 26
    12
    Western "storytellers" are not appeasing to slander and distort the activities of our people and state in the pre-war years and in the process of the Great Patriotic War itself, to belittle the guilt of Nazi Germany in unleashing World War II. They are trying to shift the responsibility for unleashing the war on both sides: Germany and the USSR. And our "figures" from the cinema (and not only) with Western money, are trying to concoct any libel on our country. It is unpleasant to look at the activities of such people. We must support our state in protecting the memory of our fathers and grandfathers who defended the independence of our Fatherland.
  5. shinobi
    shinobi 17 August 2013 13: 31
    10
    More active, more active it is necessary to work on the field of information war. The Medina is beautiful.
  6. july
    july 17 August 2013 13: 35
    +8
    I think that the whole cabinet with DAM is under Putin’s cap now, so they don’t need any extra body movements, but there’s some kind of minculture ... So they’ll be erased unobtrusively, if you hadn’t been on top of a schukher, you would have missed it of course.
    1. tarks
      tarks 17 August 2013 13: 42
      10
      The Ministry of Culture, by the way, is "in the same stream" with Putin. Unlike MinObraz. Which, obviously, is under the cap of the LADY. Double cap poluchaetstsa!
  7. erased
    erased 17 August 2013 13: 40
    0
    Well, let's see if they do it or not? Grandmothers really love bribes, maybe they were given little?
  8. Kiliny
    Kiliny 17 August 2013 13: 53
    13
    Min cult would be better if Mikhalkov with his nonsense "Anticipation" and "CITADEL" wrapped up! I filmed some kind of city .. called the truth, and even for the people's money. fool
    Who cares about the review here http://carambatv.ru/movie/bad-comedian/weary/
    1. tarks
      tarks 17 August 2013 14: 47
      +3
      When Mikhalkov shot the Citadel, the Ministry of Culture was somewhat different. There was no Medinsky at the head.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 17 August 2013 16: 40
        +9
        Quote: tarks
        When Mikhalkov shot the Citadel, the Ministry of Culture was somewhat different. There was no Medinsky at the head.

        Whoever was in the Ministry of Culture, who missed Mikhalkov’s dirty Russophobic slanderous stucco on the screens, he is our enemy.
        Well, you need to think of such idiotic incredible stories:
        - the humane Germans did not bomb the Soviet ambulance (always bombed!), and the cruel Russians did it for this good, with a kick under Mr. and a rocket in the ass,
        - A nut from the NKVD (they didn’t keep psychos there) has an order to blow up a bridge at the indicated time and blow it up brutally together with our Soviet soldiers and refugees
        etc. etc.
        The whole scenario of "Anticipation" looks like a dirty, vulgar, anti-Soviet, non-Russian, anecdote.
      2. smile
        smile 17 August 2013 21: 44
        +2
        tarks
        Medinsky is good to everyone ... but, unfortunately, he is friends with Mikhalkov, which he does not hide ... alas ... and this is still the only jamb that can be blamed on him ... I must admit, I was really angry with him , when I read his good review about the disgusting "citadel" ... :))) ... okay-to hell with her, with his friendship ... -for one episode Myths about Russia, he can be erected and understood. and forgive and let go .... :))))
  9. Sinbad
    Sinbad 17 August 2013 13: 54
    18
    But Stalin was right! Give "these" freedom to chat, they will mix the whole country for "bucks" with shit. So, either to develop the Far East, or to raise the economy of the American states (you look - they will bend completely). And in the country in which they grew up, they have nothing to do with such an attitude!
  10. Anatolich
    Anatolich 17 August 2013 14: 06
    18
    One thing I don't understand is why we, with such a rich history, cannot make good, patriotic and high-quality films. From the time they began to go to Constantinople, to the Afghan one. Alexander Nevsky, Dmitry Donskoy, Ivan the Terrible and many other princes and tsars - we have a lot of historical figures about whom you can make films. But there is no better for them serials to spank consumer goods. Even before the war, the Soviet Union made great films such as "Alexander Nevsky". And we are looking at how some men in striped raincoats save the world, ugh, disgrace.
    1. valerii41
      valerii41 18 August 2013 18: 56
      0
      To show democracy, show stupid Russians go to Wikipedia type the Armenians of Moscow and you will see who owns our cinema, I'm not a nationalist, and you will
      1. Armata
        Armata 19 August 2013 02: 27
        0
        That's right, the "Russian" media are overwhelmed with Armenians, hence the strong Armenian lobby.
  11. Anatolich
    Anatolich 17 August 2013 14: 09
    +5
    Or maybe Bondarchuk can chip in on his own, let him make a film as Nevsky arranged the Germans' Ice Battle, although where he, we and the directors didn’t have good
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 17 August 2013 17: 37
      +5
      NOT Fedyasha is busy, he removes Stalingrad ..... (frame from there)
      1. tomket
        tomket 17 August 2013 19: 34
        22
        Fedyasha should be prohibited from making films so that his father would not be dishonored.
        1. Dovmont
          Dovmont 17 August 2013 22: 53
          +4
          Well done! A short phrase and to the very point !!!
        2. ultra
          ultra 22 August 2013 10: 36
          0
          Quote: tomket
          Fedyasha should be prohibited from making films so that his father would not be dishonored.

          good good good
      2. smile
        smile 17 August 2013 21: 55
        +9
        sergey72
        Yoyoyoyoyoyoyoooooo ....... further inarticulate, and then the moderators beat .... to be honest, there was a hope that as he grew up he would get rid of the rubbish that he allowed himself in the "9th company" .... somehow on my eyes caught a video on the Star with his participation, well, probably everyone saw him ... thought-correcting ... ugh, aphids! ... another mikhalkov ... grew up ...
        1. Dovmont
          Dovmont 17 August 2013 22: 55
          +4
          Have you watched "Spy"? This is generally a schizophrenic delirium !!!
          1. smile
            smile 17 August 2013 22: 59
            +2
            Dovmont
            Nope ... and I already realized that I don’t want to watch ... :))))
            1. sleepy
              sleepy 18 August 2013 10: 39
              +3
              And you can recall the film "The Last Battle of Major Pugachev" directed by Vladimir Fatyanov, scripted by Eduard Volodarsky.
              http://dennis-rodman.livejournal.com/109534.html

              In the USSR, even science fiction films were better and more humane.

    2. Dovmont
      Dovmont 17 August 2013 22: 51
      +4
      Yes, this bald marginal will ruffle any topic for what it will take !!
    3. Combitor
      Combitor 18 August 2013 02: 50
      +5
      To Bondarchuk - this is not the address.
      <Russian director Fyodor Bondarchuk intends to make a film about the founder of the social network "VKontakte" Pavel Durov. The film will be produced by Alexander Rodnyansky. The start of filming for the new film is scheduled for early December 2013. The narration will come from the perspective of a woman lawyer who will need to collect incriminating materials on VKontakte. According to Rodnyansky, "the inclusion of a multitude of political and social contexts is mandatory." 16.08.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX "Dni.Ru">
      Bondarchuk changed priorities. Although, it seems to me, he did not have them. Ordinary "weather vane" (see Sergey72 Yesterday, 17:37)
      1. Proud.
        Proud. 18 August 2013 08: 38
        +3
        Quote: Kombitor
        <Russian director Fyodor Bondarchuk intends to make a film about the founder of the social network "VKontakte" Pavel Durov.
        And then, alaverdy, Durov, in gratitude, will shoot a film about Fed Bondarchuk, as a great "creator", but for his babos. Bondarchuk, again in gratitude, about Durov, as a subtle "connoisseur of real art", but for federal money. And everything will start in a circle ... But seriously, I watched the trailer for "Stalingrad" a few months ago. It was in English, Bondarchuk appeals to a foreign audience (it is not clear why he decided that there were screaming with impatience) ...
  12. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 17 August 2013 14: 10
    33
    How long will this disgrace happen, how long will these so-called "masters of cinema" spit in the face and soul of our people? Already sick of these vile handicrafts such as: Penal Battalion, Burnt by the Sun, the Citadel and the earlier Border-taiga romance. those years about which Granitsa ... I served in the OLZabVO, in a military motor depot, so when I got behind the wheel of a company commander, the base commander, Major, summoned me and said: "I have 500 drivers, but 501 you don't need a company commander do your thing! "(of course it was said stronger) And then whoever wants to: the officers of the regiment, their wives cut through in UAZs, you just wonder where it was! Yes, no one would have let a car out of the park without an outfit and an older car. This is an illiterate profanation of the HISTORY of the Great Patriotic War, where it has been seen that the penalty box commanded the penalty battalion. According to the ideas of these filmmakers, the prisoners and penalty boxers won the war, another spit on the graves of veterans. Yes, take it right away and take off the x / f about the "blue" love between ours and the Germans before war. But it is surprising that the nation The national structure of these hustlers makes them think. The Ministry of Culture is doing the right thing, why the hell should they take off any vulgarity with the people's money, and generally forbid it to be removed for any money!
    1. Dovmont
      Dovmont 17 August 2013 22: 59
      +8
      I want to correct you. "Penalty battalion" is not an illiterate profanation of history, but a competent and deliberate distortion of it! The same can be said about the movie "Bastards" !!
      1. Armata
        Armata 19 August 2013 02: 34
        0
        "Bastards" filmed guess who? ... the Armenians!
        1. Hairy Siberian
          Hairy Siberian 19 August 2013 03: 07
          -1
          Quote: Armata
          "Bastards" filmed guess who? ... the Armenians!

          The screenplay was written by screenwriter Vladimir Kunin. And the director is really Armenian Alexander Atanesyan. The director’s job is to create a spectacular picture of a work or script.
          1. Armata
            Armata 19 August 2013 04: 19
            +1
            Do not block your own! Already understood that you are Armenian. If the Russian director made an anti-Armenian film, you would disperse all over the world (your diasporas). But you can desecrate Russian history?
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              1. Armata
                Armata 19 August 2013 04: 49
                -1
                Hah, when Putin arrived in Azerbaijan, every macaw howled and lamented "wai ruski pradateli, they are sending us and so on."
  13. Colonelic
    Colonelic 17 August 2013 14: 19
    10
    Quote: Sinbad
    But Stalin was right! Give "these" freedom to chat, they will mix the whole country for "bucks" with shit. So, either to develop the Far East, or to raise the economy of the American states (you look - they will bend completely). And in the country in which they grew up, they have nothing to do with such an attitude!
    You are right, Andrey! The name for "these" scum is "fifth column" ...
  14. Albert1988
    Albert1988 17 August 2013 14: 20
    +4
    The fact that they refused to finance a deliberately provocative film is right, I respect Medinsky, although I began to respect him even earlier when I read his book "War", in my opinion the most correct popular science book about the Great Patriotic War. And if this also becomes the rule, and only films that adequately and truthfully depict our soldier and our history will be financed, then it will be possible to rejoice - at least one ray of light will appear in the dark kingdom of our modern cinema and mass culture.

    Py.Sy. People, can anyone enlighten or share a reference - what kind of heresy "I Serve the Soviet Union", which the author cites in the article, is just interesting. who took it ...
    1. Proud.
      Proud. 18 August 2013 08: 45
      +1
      Quote: Albert1988
      just wondering. who shot it ...

      Ustyugov (Cop wars). The main role is the main "Capercaillie" Averin. http://tfile.me/forum/viewtopic.php?t=538993
  15. Kiliny
    Kiliny 17 August 2013 14: 23
    11
    All the same, not everything is so bad. Very good films Star, In August 44th, White Tiger. Only it turns out mud..am like Mikhalkov, the road is open, and normal directors need to sweat a lot to remove something track.
  16. V. Tarasyan
    V. Tarasyan 17 August 2013 14: 31
    +7
    The right situation. If you want state money, be prepared to listen to his opinion. Do you want to rave on the screen - only for your own.
  17. individual
    individual 17 August 2013 14: 38
    +9
    Shameless figures from culture for the sake of profit and increase the rating are ready to dump any crap on the screens in order to cause a scandal and interest in their "products".
    The fact that this discredits the honor of Russia does not bother them, they were brought up in the 90s and do not understand that Now is another era where Russia and patriotism are one, whole.
    The honor of Russia is the honor of the people. Rogues here do not belong.
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 17 August 2013 21: 21
      +2
      here it is necessary to think about how high ratings are given, who gives (name of organization), and who legitimized it - specifically.
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 20 August 2013 06: 34
        +1
        Quote: nov_tech.vrn
        how dermis are given high ratings, who gives (name of organization), and who legitimized it - specifically.

        need to be supported, talents will break through. sad
  18. knn54
    knn54 17 August 2013 14: 48
    15
    There is a liberal in all hooves
    Flies to the barn for rations;
    Who eats from the general trough,
    Should not s.r.a.t. in it secretly.
    I. Huberman
  19. Brummbar
    Brummbar 17 August 2013 14: 49
    0
    I hope soon Bandarchuk will make a good movie about Stalingrad.
    1. tomket
      tomket 17 August 2013 19: 38
      +4
      judging by the trailers Fedyash goes by Mikhalkov’s tram, there will be NKVD bastards, naked boobs, one rifle for three, evil commissars, ragged Red Army soldiers, collective farmers, and WHITE KNOWLEDARS.
      1. densh
        densh 17 August 2013 22: 04
        +1
        And potatoes instead of pomegranates wassat
      2. Simon
        Simon 18 August 2013 07: 56
        +2
        And again with clubs they will climb into the embrasures, led by a general in uniform! Shame on such directors! fool
        1. tomket
          tomket 18 August 2013 16: 12
          +4
          in the video they are in the form of molotov cocktails, burning on the ambrozura rod. In general, you can disassemble the trailer frame by frame, for example, Fedya spied how the T-90s were playing synchronously, there was such a video, the tank waltz was called like, and now they are synchronously turning on the T-4 square, Fedya probably takes his breath away from the genius of his idea, but how they were so pedantic to the Germans that they walked in step on tanks, so to speak, not like the Soviet ragamuffins. In general, the paradox, for some reason, for example, Maxim Perepelitsa looks amazingly harmonious, how well the uniform of a Soviet Army soldier looks on him, or Nikulin in the film in "They Fought for the Motherland", like an ordinary man from the village, but still, sympathy is also aroused by pride, in the remakes and the trailer of Fedya, why do you want to mow the Red Army soldiers yourself from MG, tell me what's the matter ????
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 18 August 2013 22: 26
      +1
      in vain hope he is an enemy of the USSR.
  20. vitek1233
    vitek1233 17 August 2013 15: 20
    +3
    Quote: Anatolich
    One thing I don't understand is why we, with such a rich history, cannot make good, patriotic and high-quality films. From the time they began to go to Constantinople, to the Afghan one. Alexander Nevsky, Dmitry Donskoy, Ivan the Terrible and many other princes and tsars - we have a lot of historical figures about whom you can make films. But there is no better for them serials to spank consumer goods. Even before the war, the Soviet Union made great films such as "Alexander Nevsky". And we are looking at how some men in striped raincoats save the world, ugh, disgrace.

    There is something to shoot about, we have such a rich and interesting story. It is a pity that almost no films are made
  21. july
    july 17 August 2013 15: 32
    +7
    Quote: Anatolich
    I just don’t understand why we with such a rich history cannot make a good, patriotic and high-quality movie.

    Because the creative elite has turned into a kind of bohemia and a fifth column. At the end of the 19th century there was something similar and as a result not only, but also decent people ended up abroad. Because patriotism remained only with the people, real patriotism was not for sale, and in our country, given the saying, whoever works where, lives from that, everyone sells what he can ... There is such a profession - to sell your homeland!
    1. valerii41
      valerii41 19 August 2013 18: 17
      +1
      Mostly working for Cannes, for geyropov to their homeland and people do not care
  22. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 17 August 2013 15: 39
    +5
    <<< ..... the 70th anniversary of the victory over Germany should not release a film that does not correspond to our ideas about the war. " (besides) ... it is not clear why this should be done for the money of Russian taxpayers. >>>
    It is high time to stop this stream of cinematography that fills Russian screens, which lures inexperienced viewers with a frank hint that the depicted nonsense are events that or similar, supposedly, were in fact, but the almighty bloody hand of the KGB forbade talking about it, and so more, make films. In such films, "film educators" do not hesitate in fantasizing and at the same time they all have one amazing feature - all "goals, as they say, fly into one gate", into the Russian ones! Russians are usually portrayed as primitive bloodthirsty barbarians,
    letting the Russian viewer understand that he has nothing to be proud of, that the Russians are no better than the Nazis, that it was not they who won, but the Western democracies led by the States, whose troops were an example of chivalry and valor! It is sacrilege to the memory of MILLIONS of the fallen to demonstrate in Russia this ideologized film shit, and it is good that, finally, they began to fight this by correctly placing emphasis in regard to "freedom of speech"!
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  24. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 17 August 2013 15: 55
    +6
    It's good that our money was not given to shoot this dregs. It's bad that there are no normal directors on the horizon who would actually shoot OUR movies. All our bohemians are swamp tolerasts. There are of course exceptions. I respect Govorukhin for his position on the film "Bastards". soldier
    1. Armata
      Armata 19 August 2013 02: 45
      +3
      And Vladimir Menshov is also a fine fellow, he also spoke against the “bastards”.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 19 August 2013 03: 48
        +1
        Quote: Armata
        And Vladimir Menshov is also a fine fellow, he also spoke against the “bastards”.

        I agree, it was an ACTION !!
        1. Ulysses
          Ulysses 19 August 2013 14: 28
          +2
          Menshov is not only a great actor and director, but also a citizen with a capital letter.
  25. Pensioner
    Pensioner 17 August 2013 16: 04
    +6
    Thank you very much to the author of the article, Andrei Sorokin. Undoubtedly, there will be paid journalists who will raise a howl in defense of Memnadze who was offended by the refusal. And not so much for Memnadze himself and his "masterpiece", but rather from completely different interests. Taking advantage of this fact of refusal. But the author of the article is so clear and argued, stated the essence of the matter, that all the attempts of the opponents would be already obscure. There would be more such authors with a firm civic position and thinking.
  26. mithridate
    mithridate 17 August 2013 16: 07
    +4
    finally the brains begin to work, that it is no longer possible to water the memory of ancestors with shit. Well done for not allowing me to shoot a frank ideological mine
    1. smile
      smile 17 August 2013 22: 02
      +1
      mithridate
      Alas, there was no discussion about the ban — the film was simply not financed at the expense of the state, but was not banned ... imagine what impudence those who raised a howl because they were simply not given money from the budget for a Russophobic campaign ... .
      1. Simon
        Simon 18 August 2013 08: 04
        +2
        Well, it’s good, although there is still such a loophole, to not allow films with a mine in our history to go on the screens. Films must be paid for, made on reliable historical facts.
  27. Jarserge
    Jarserge 17 August 2013 16: 08
    +3
    It is high time to separate the cutlets from the flies ..... Honestly, we got ideological saboteurs in the vast expanses of the former USSR. Such universal people with pronounced signs of liberals ....
  28. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 17 August 2013 16: 11
    +5
    I’ll go drink it for a separate toast! Well, finally, the Ministry of Culture issued an sensible ban on the mountain.
    another touch that the country is recovering? slowly, painfully, but at least the direction is right.

    (here we walked along Mikhalkov))) I agree, the Citadel is a complete mess! )
  29. gura
    gura 17 August 2013 16: 13
    -15 qualifying.
    From Minsk. I do not understand the criteria for selecting articles for the site. Mindadze is the finest screenwriter - "Fox Hunt", "Autumn Call", "Parade of Planets" "Plumbum" and other works. The author of the article dragged in everything that is possible and impossible - and about the feeling of guilt of the Germans, and, by the way, can anyone tell how long they repent - 200 years, 550, 1200? This is already degenerating into a farce. But in fact, this is what - August 15. PRAVMIR. At a meeting of the Minister of Culture V.Medinsky, the director of the cinema department V. Telnov and the director A. Mindadze, a full understanding was reached on the prospects for cooperation, the press service of the Ministry of Culture reports.

    “The discussion of the prospects of cooperation at the meeting of the Minister of Culture V. Medinsky, the director of the cinema department V. Telnov and the director A. Mindadze was held in a confidential and constructive manner,” the ministry’s editorial office informed.

    The statement noted that the meeting reached a complete mutual understanding of the parties on the draft A. Mindadze "Dear Hans, dear Peter."

    "Due to the fact that the film takes place in a difficult historical period - the 30s of the last century - consultants from the Institute of General History of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the Military Historical Society will be additionally involved in the work on the project to ensure maximum historical authenticity," in the ministry.

    Given the importance of the project “Dear Hans, Dear Peter,” the Ministry of Culture will recommend to the Cinema Fund to accept it for consideration in the established manner. Alles
    And at the expense of N. Mikhalkov - this is one of the main "patriotic" mouthpieces of the Kremlin. Any money, for any whim! And here are the taxpayers! The master demands!
    1. smile
      smile 17 August 2013 22: 15
      +1
      gura
      And what is incomprehensible .... he lies to his country, to Russians ... and his lies wonderfully fit into the patterns of those who are reviewing the results of 2 MV and trying to equate us with the Nazis (although he brought him up) ... from the fact that he lies talentedly something is changing?
      You cited information that thanks to the efforts of the Ministry of Culture, the filmmakers will have normal consultants ... so it’s great, that means the Mindadze lies from the film will be removed! This liar was given a chance ... :))) The Ministry of Culture acts democratically and accurately .... very well ... :)))
      Mikhalkov, nobody’s mouthpiece (fortunately), he’s trying to seize this niche ... how successful we’ll see ... while the Kremlin shows a clear tendency to change ideology from the one that you support to normal ... that it doesn’t like it’s very good for you, because if open-minded Russophobes actively criticize something, then we are doing everything right ... :)))
      1. gura
        gura 18 August 2013 00: 25
        0
        And what is incomprehensible .... he lies to his country, to Russians ... and his lies wonderfully fit into the patterns of those who are reviewing the results of 2 MV and trying to equate us with the Nazis (although he brought him up) ... from the fact that he lies talentedly something is changing?Your quote.
        From the series - "I have not read Pasternak, but I condemn!" Where did you read the draft script of the unfinished film? And others will be interested! Through the looking glass! Neither subtract nor add! Psychics and the late Wang are jerks before such a talent to look into the unknown.
        1. smile
          smile 18 August 2013 01: 24
          +1
          gura
          Poor thing ... you weren’t even able to read the article under discussion .... where should I go to you ... :))) you can still try, and then me. sinful, will you reprove? ... :)))
  30. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 17 August 2013 16: 15
    11
    And then the fate of the film - if it is removed, despite everything - and its impact on our children will depend on not on Medina, but on the notorious “civil society”. From us with you, if in a good way. It was then - only in our power to provide this diversion with a resounding collapse, as it happened with “Anticipation” - “Citadel”, “... One Woman”, “Spy”.

    I would like to know who gives such money to filthy dirty lies about World War II to such vile creatures like Nikita Mikhalkov?
    When it comes to suppressing the disgusting slander against millions of our compatriots who were innocently killed by "civilized" Europe, there is no need to hesitate to censor. It is necessary to crush the reptiles in the cradle until they come out on the screens.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 17 August 2013 22: 58
      +2
      And I would like to know that.
      But money for "fsyu this fanning" is given not because it is good, but because, unfortunately, people watch it.
      And it’s good that the state, in the person of Medinsky, refused to give money for this bread
    2. dmitrich
      dmitrich 18 August 2013 05: 34
      +1
      personal friendship with the president.
  31. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 17 August 2013 16: 25
    +1
    While the people are waving (B. Titomir). They will shoot this ram. Money overshadowed the mind
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 18 August 2013 11: 02
      +2
      Quote: ivshubarin
      Money overshadowed the mind

      Generally taken away
  32. VadimSt
    VadimSt 17 August 2013 16: 45
    +7
    I will not burden myself with "artistry, realism" and other criteria of critics, politicians and others. As a citizen who does not forget that we, in the recent past, were one "family" and, therefore, we have a common memory and attitude to historical events, I think about something else.
    Why most of the author's post-Soviet films are aimed at one thing - to shit everything and everyone, "brighter and more spectacularly" highlight the failure of the Soviet system, excesses and repressions, betrayal, complex relations between the peoples of the USSR, and so on.

    Here, watch historical films related to the history of the United States, or even their fiction, in the style of conquering the world by aliens, etc. and there will always be one result - a strong one, able to unite the world community, fight internal and external threats, and effectively resolve emerging threats, both by the power of the nation and its individual representatives. The main character or his comrade-in-arms, very often, is either a representative from national minorities, a dark-skinned one or common sense wins and the heroes of different nations and states unite in the fight against evil.

    It can be said that on their "Saving Private Ryan", we could always find an anti alternative - to destroy, drive into a penal battalion, repress, show the stupidity of the command staff, cowardice, betrayal and so on. And this is practically in all films ("Saboteur", "Wings", "Hunt for a unicorn", "Check on the roads", "Escape to the sky" and the list can be enumerated indefinitely).
    It’s just that, apparently now, it has grown from a political subtext, as it was before, into “good taste rules” not for historical truth and reflection of civic position, but focusing exclusively on the financial and rating interest of the West and its film festivals.

    All this speaks of one thing - for some authors, a sense of patriotism and civic position is the same product as everything else!
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 18 August 2013 00: 30
      +3
      Quote: VadimSt
      "Checking on the roads"


      But this film is not included in the category listed by you ...
      The moral of this film is atonement for the homeland, becoming a stumbled man but not degraded ...
  33. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 17 August 2013 17: 01
    10
    But what did we want from the director of the Israeli nation with a Georgian surname. But these legions have bred a legion in our Fatherland. Isn't it time to squeeze the fifth column to the nail? After all, these are future traitors.
    1. Sinbad
      Sinbad 22 August 2013 18: 18
      0
      They are not future traitors, they have already betrayed their homeland! Or is the USSR not their homeland?
  34. Vtel
    Vtel 17 August 2013 17: 19
    +4
    Expert Council feature films spoke in favor, and military-historical and socio-psychological advice - against.


    And here is the Fifth Column.
  35. yurii p
    yurii p 17 August 2013 17: 54
    +2
    it is necessary to ask Israel for money for a film about Eichmann, as a patriot of the 3rd Reich, it will be in Western fashion.
    1. Al shahini
      Al shahini 17 August 2013 21: 57
      +1
      So after all, not only will they not be given, but they will be trampled mercilessly for the mere thought of such a "kin". And they will be right. They respect their people and history. Maybe sometimes even in excess
  36. july
    july 17 August 2013 18: 04
    +6
    Quote: gura
    The author of the article dragged everything that is possible and impossible - and about the guilt of the Germans, and, by the way, can anyone tell me how much they repent - 200 years, 550, 1200?

    I’ll tell you how! - While at least one fascist scum is in this world, let them repent that they released this monster. So far, the brown plague has not yet died, but in the geyrop, it thrives on liberal principles. Feeling of guilt ... Well, let them do something to save the world, a feat of the nation, some thread in order to make amends for this guilt, well, to save humanity from the same plague, for example. Just something to not see in this direction no body movements.
    1. gura
      gura 17 August 2013 19: 11
      -4
      From Minsk. "Just something not to see any body movements in this direction" cit. Especially on the part of Russian fascists and racists, there are some. Racists are widely represented on this site. Do you agree? In modern Germany, such "advertising" on the internet and in the media is impossible. And in Moscow "My Struggle" by Hitler is freely sold. I bought it for the collection. Boring little book. Agree how awkward it is in front of the same Germans.
      1. smile
        smile 17 August 2013 22: 30
        +3
        gura
        For reference, in Russia selling such books is a criminal offense ... even Goebbels' diaries were removed from the libraries .... that you bought them from us ... well, so you could buy drugs, and what follows from this? In any case, there are fewer Nazis in all of Russia than in insignificant Lithuania, not to mention the USA, where fascist organizations, marches with fascist symbols are permitted and not officially prosecuted by law ... well, about the Bandera fascists or the Baltic executioners supported by the SS state etc. etc. I don’t even say .... by the way, if you compare the number of Natsiks and racists in Russia with their colleagues in the republics (I hope you understand that any Russophobes like you are no different from the Nazis), then our Natsiks will be bitter cry, they are negligible and they do not enjoy support ...
        In view of the foregoing, you suffer in vain ... I hope you write lies because of lack of thought, and do not intentionally lie ... :)))
        1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
          NOBODY EXCEPT US 17 August 2013 23: 52
          +3
          What do you mean by the word "Nazis" if there are _nazis_, then there are only a few of them in Russia, and if you meant _nationalists_ then there are a lot of them, for example, this site is 99% of them here, just many are embarrassed to admit ...
          1. smile
            smile 18 August 2013 01: 31
            +1
            NOBODY EXCEPT US
            I was referring to the radical part of the nationalists, whose beliefs are not significantly different from the ideology of the Nazis ... the key word is "radical" .... well, in fact, I also meant the last Nazis themselves .. mean? :)))
          2. valerii41
            valerii41 18 August 2013 19: 59
            -1
            The third time I pass by, I worked in the office there were Armenian and Tajik migrants. Armenians and Tajiks have long and solemnly greeted each other, you are greeted by the ancient Armenian culture, your Tajik ancient culture. We agreed to start a hand throwing up Heil and everything else. Then the Tajiks ask you the Nazis? But you Aryans and Hitler Aryans do you beat your own? No, we’re not beating, and Hitler didn’t beat his own people. I’m standing at a stop on the opposite side, the Tajiks are coming. They saw me and greeted me. I answered my question. They cut off everyone. You see, they didn’t sell their homeland.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 18 August 2013 00: 21
        +1
        Quote: gura
        And in Moscow "My Struggle" by Hitler is freely sold. I bought it for the collection. Boring little book. Agree how awkward it is in front of the same Germans.

        The presence of such literature on sale can cause different feelings in different people:

        On the one hand, you need to know the ideology of the enemy in order to skillfully and competently fight him.

        And on the other hand, it’s understandable full non-perception of people who understand what fascism is ...
        1. smile
          smile 18 August 2013 01: 27
          +1
          Corsair
          Damn, I'm sorry, I accidentally rolled you a minus ... I will not ....
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 18 August 2013 01: 44
            +2
            Quote: smile
            Corsair
            Damn, I'm sorry, I accidentally rolled you a minus ... I will not ....


            It's okay: "A guilty head and a sword won't cut it."
          2. valerii41
            valerii41 18 August 2013 19: 14
            +1
            I rolled him a plus, everything is fine
  37. an_ursus
    an_ursus 17 August 2013 18: 26
    +2
    "Do they do evil out of principle? Evil and do they do it out of lack of principles," Mr. Mindadze Ekhovsky Washington.
  38. gura
    gura 17 August 2013 19: 03
    -7
    From Minsk. A rhetorical question? Why on the "military" site, so, I'm not afraid of the word, they hate talented and just smart people? They are choking with bile. Unclear.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 17 August 2013 19: 12
      +4
      Quote: gura
      hate talented and just smart people

      If he is so talented and smart, why can't he raise funds from other sources to create his pseudo-historical opus?
      Why is the state obliged to give him money for this, and why is refusal to finance immediately treated as a ban?
    2. tomket
      tomket 17 August 2013 19: 41
      +1
      Do you like dad? you are from Minsk.
      1. gura
        gura 17 August 2013 20: 55
        +1
        From Minsk. "To love" is from another opera. Maybe you love GDP. I do not know. But respect is another matter. There are enough "cockroaches" in his head too. But the most important thing for him is an innate, directly primitive instinct for the moment. And yet, he never shies from one extreme to another. None of his entourage can say - "I'm opening the door to the office with my foot!" No one. Even if he was from the local "Lake" cooperative. Joke. The entire republican leading "vertical" is its direct appointees. Up to the directors of the city-forming factories. Not to mention the Ministries. Up to second deputies inclusive. On TV they show all the appointments, his, AHL's parting words, and the final words “What's wrong, especially with regard to the corruption component - you’ll just sit down to the fullest!” With slight variations. Promises are fulfilling with interest. Especially for kickbacks. A month ago, they took up the construction of housing (long-term construction - 200 objects per country, an increase in the cost of a square meter - 80 criminal cases with dozens of defendants in a week.). He said that by October - "we will clean up the construction like a tank at the range." and we know that it will be so. Does not go where there is no specialist. He said that there will never be such "cavalry raids" on the Academy of Sciences, as in Russia, figure it out for yourself. And earn yourself. And we will give you all the preferences. Now, the work of life, the Belarusian-Chinese technopark. Something beyond should be. China gives 6 billion for it. It will turn out - there will be a full paragraph! That is, we respect him. Basically.
        1. smile
          smile 17 August 2013 22: 48
          +1
          gura
          :)))) Well, they’ve killed ... writing laziness, so briefly, can you tell us who says that he opens the door to Pu with his feet? :))) By the way, my stepfather is Belarus, he has an apartment and a business in Belarus, even though he lives in Klaipeda ... what, will you flood me too, that Butsk has fewer enemies than Putin? :))) By the way, his enemies are like our swamps ... and like you, by the way, you are similar to them in one, you have the same Russophobian position:))) ... It’s right not to lie, it’s pointless here. .. :)))
    3. Al shahini
      Al shahini 17 August 2013 22: 07
      +4
      Talent and "cleverness", alas, do not always work for the benefit of society. Dr. Mengele was also a talented physician and researcher.

      Unfortunately, many of our "creators" from art, unfortunately, sometimes lack conscience and a sense of reality.
    4. smile
      smile 17 August 2013 22: 38
      +1
      gura
      The site does not like arrogant liars and those who identify with the Nazis in assessing Russia and the Russian people ... and what does it matter if the liar is talented or stupid like a traffic jam?
      A counter question to you is why are you trying to support any Russophobic slander, due to illness, out of stupidity or intentionally?
      1. gura
        gura 17 August 2013 23: 16
        0
        From Minsk. Bah, alive, smoking room! Well, wait for juggling and juggling! How is it that you, without reading the script of an unreleased film, saw Russophobic slander and others? Kio is resting. I dare to suggest that something is deeply personal. To me. Accept and so on. As for Baska’s enemies (I don’t know if he really needs another, fourth son, a big question), you probably know better from Klaipeda, and a relative of a businessman with a Belarussian apartment will notice the sea! You can report them to our KGB. Whoever breaks the door to your GDP with your foot - kill God, I don’t know, I'm sorry. Ask the more seniors. Do not be ill.
        1. smile
          smile 18 August 2013 00: 13
          0
          gura
          Do not wait :)))) For several hours, as from the airfield, I was not at home for a week, I climb to my favorite site and ... hello gura! :)))
          The limited information that was published by the author of the article, indicating that the script is based on lies, is not enough for conclusions? Or can you refute the author? ... You can’t? .... well, and who juggles? Who is Kio's heir? :))) ... Although, of course, reproaching you for distorting the same thing as reproaching the wolf for catching and eating someone ... he cannot do otherwise ... here and you can’t do it differently ... nature is like that ... :))))
          As for stepfather, Misha spends half of his time in Belarus. all his many relatives are there, and I have friends (in Salihorsk) .... do you think they all lie to me? ... out of harm? :)))
          and as for the enemies, take an interest in the Lithuania-Belarus cooperation program ... with all these seminars, student and experience exchanges, colloquiums, etc ... as well as American teachers, British, Georgians, of course, different Baltic states ... beggarly money Lithuania allocates absolutely serious ones to this matter (I don’t know whether I’m mine) ..... I assure you, there is nothing fun for you and for us .... take an interest in how many expensive cars with Belarusian license plates are in Vilnius (I I’m happy for the Belarusians, but Labas are terribly jealous) ... one annoying, even in their press Lithuanians are not embarrassed to often share how they work in Belarus .... it turns out that your GB is not as severe as it should be .. ..

          and deal with your enemies yourself ... but personally, you are obviously more interested in protecting our marshes in Russia and trying to propagate Russophobic mythology ... now, really, kill God, I don’t know why this is for you. ... however, it doesn’t matter ... :)))
          And you do not get sick, such as you really need on this site, so that our people do not relax and see that there are not only friends around. and Russophobic propaganda is not a far-fetched problem, but a harsh reality ... :))))
    5. Setrac
      Setrac 18 August 2013 08: 42
      +2
      Quote: gura
      From Minsk. A rhetorical question? Why on the "military" site, so, I'm not afraid of the word, they hate talented and just smart people? They are choking with bile. Unclear.

      Is that what you love about yourself?
  39. Snoop
    Snoop 17 August 2013 19: 31
    +4
    Want to make a pseudo-historical movie? For God's sake, only for their grandmothers))) That's right. Why should my taxes go to all sorts of nonsense like that))) 40 years old and German engineers at the Soviet defense plant, this is a picture of the 20s and early 30s. Young people are deliberately fooled.
  40. taseka
    taseka 17 August 2013 19: 58
    +2
    I will not say anything about "The Spy and the Baba" But "Burnt by the Sun" should be looked at against the background of the manure that modern directors wear bell-boys in crisp gymnastics, stupid stories about the military Rambo and insistently push gays into the footage about the war
  41. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 17 August 2013 20: 00
    +2
    Do you want to shoot a movie at the expense of taxpayers, if you please, make a good quality movie for which you are not ashamed at the highest bar set by Soviet cinema, and if you are mikhalkov or look for fools who will give you money for your slag, I don’t want to pay moral monsters for them " creation".
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  43. Al shahini
    Al shahini 17 August 2013 20: 31
    +5
    It is gratifying that for the next film in the category "Bastards" they did not give the people money.
    Upsetting. that we can’t remove something worthy as opposed to “citadels”, “penal battalions” and other “bastards”
    Even the film adaptation of Bogomolov's excellent book "The Moment of Truth" / "In August 44" / and even then managed to make ornamental-faded.
    1. ty60
      ty60 17 August 2013 20: 44
      +3
      I completely agree. In August 44 it was necessary to stretch the plot a little, and the voice because of the frame .. The whole book is written on this, because the film for the readers came out faded and gray
    2. densh
      densh 17 August 2013 22: 28
      +2
      Bogomolov, by the way, also reacted negatively to the film.
  44. voliador
    voliador 17 August 2013 20: 34
    +2
    Let films be shot in his geyrop about all sorts of homosexuals!
  45. zennon
    zennon 17 August 2013 20: 42
    +3
    Columnist of the state agency RIA Novosti Yuri Bogomolov complains that “censorship is leaking into the sphere of artistic practice in one way or another”

    Explain to me not far off: is a columnist and 3,14doras one and the same? request
  46. sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 17 August 2013 21: 44
    +3
    Actually, some "filmmakers" are not badly settled - at our expense, licking the ass of the State Department ...
  47. harrymur
    harrymur 17 August 2013 21: 51
    -7
    I serve the Soviet Union, a program for centuries))),
    for me, the resource needs to be more careful with non-cultural and propaganda articles, the soldiers and marshals of the keyboard-patriotic front break down and go into a state of reboot-stasis, there is no need to touch on cultural and film themes in particular, presenting this as another front of the struggle for victory, a question over KEM)))
    females, tanchiki, steamboats, gossip about the USSR, the very thing is why the site bears the wrong steppe with the s-400 marina, not in the steppe)))
    1. Al shahini
      Al shahini 17 August 2013 22: 14
      +4
      That is, you refuse to soldiers to join the culture and art? This is an Intellectual snobbery, sweetest.
      And the question is not about HOW to make a movie or something else to "create", but about the consequences of such "creativity" for public consciousness.
      1. harrymur
        harrymur 17 August 2013 22: 27
        -3
        no, of course, but everything should be dosed and with a predicted positive ideological effect,
        the issue of protecting the culture of Russians as well as the issue of protecting the homeland coincide, and we cannot separate from each other, and these publications can bring doubts into the minds of the defenders of the fatherland)) here, the charter and the length of service cannot solve anything bully
        1. Al shahini
          Al shahini 18 August 2013 16: 54
          +1
          "The issue of protecting the culture of Russians, as well as the issue of protecting the motherland, coincide and cannot be separated from each other, and these publications can bring doubts to the minds of defenders of the fatherland))" (c)
          ====================================================================== =========
          I think you needlessly fear about doubts in the minds of the defenders. For the most part, they have solid knowledge and beliefs. For they have a real profession. A charter only helps. Like the length of service.
          It is much worse when, apart from the document on higher education, absolute nihilism and the exorbitant aplomb that has grown on this basis, there is nothing more.
    2. densh
      densh 17 August 2013 22: 31
      -1
      In the army, the program was called, “Visiting a fairy tale,”.
      1. harrymur
        harrymur 17 August 2013 22: 54
        -1
        usually topped up under it))
    3. smile
      smile 17 August 2013 22: 57
      +1
      harrymur
      And you, poor thing, are not familiar with the term "psychological warfare"? Please take an interest, its means and methods are open data (please, focus on American sources - you seem to trust them more) ... I assure you, if you do this, it will become sad and there will be no desire to write revelations like this ... ashamed of my ... lack of information (I'll call it that, okay? :)))) will become ... :))))
      1. harrymur
        harrymur 17 August 2013 23: 51
        0
        Thank you, I regret myself))) the term end is familiar,
        I’m horror and hell knows who, he himself became the one whom he was afraid at the age of 14 when he put on his overcoat))
        and now I am the commander and master am vested with the rights given to me according to the charter and code bully
        and on the topic in my family there’s a similar creator in St. Petersburg, I love his little devil, and sometimes I drown the hunt in the fountain,
        they cannot be touched, they are our Russians, not calmly in their head,
        what is talent, the ability to visualize the state of an unconscious society, and whether it will be beauty or evil depends on the environment,
        angry at the system, but not at these crazy, but rather stupidly work
  48. grafrozow
    grafrozow 17 August 2013 22: 21
    +2
    meaningful state policy in the field of culture. What warned Comrade Putin _________.
    The author is clearly from Budun. Yes, all their lives, these "bohemians" have driven into paradise with the national horseradish. Unrecognized geniuses, always offended, especially when Mikhalkov's "flashing light" was taken away. From extreme to extreme, then in 41g the Germans attacked "tigers", then The fighters of the Red Army have one rifle for ten. And on the other hand, where can I get a normal director? The film industry is a mess, I personally like the film based on Simonov - "The Living and the Dead" and modern ones do not have enough strength to watch. Dobrynya Nikitich is even better.
  49. Nikaviz
    Nikaviz 17 August 2013 22: 42
    +7
    For me a MASTERPIECE !!!! THIS IS "War and Peace", "They fought for the Motherland", "Shadows disappear at noon" "DESTINY", AND Epic: "Battle for Moscow" "Liberation" "Stalingrad" "Arc of fire" "Battle for Berlin" ... and so on in this spirit .... This should be shown in schools ... and then to write essays on them ... on the topic "Who is your HERO .. ????"
  50. Corsair
    Corsair 17 August 2013 22: 44
    0
    I read the article, on the one hand historical facts are given, on the other - it is impossible to judge what I myself did not see (the film) ...