Military Review

Israeli military reviewing threats in the 21st century

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Israel continues to discuss future reform of the army, which, according to military analysts, should lead to an improvement in its technical equipment and a significant reduction in the number of personnel. Some units will be disbanded, and outdated equipment sold by auction. The leadership of the IDF (Israel Defense Forces - OAI) states that the time of large-scale armed conflicts with the simultaneous participation of several Arab countries has passed.


The second Lebanese war became the most serious test for the Israeli army in the 21st century. Intelligence has repeatedly warned of an impending terrorist attack or the abduction of Hezbollah by IDF troops. In this regard, the headquarters of the Northern Military District was forced to increase the combat readiness of the army (March 2006 of the year). After some time, another incident occurred at the border, but in May the war was avoided. In July, the 2006 of the year on the Lebanese-Israeli border was already fierce fighting, and the territory of the country was daily subjected to massive rocket attacks from Hezbollah. Lebanon, as a state, did not participate in this war, although the Shiite resistance militants were based precisely on Lebanese territory. Israel was slow to start a land operation against Hezbollah, and only on the eve of the truce, the IDF managed to launch a major offensive and knock out militants from many key settlements located in southern Lebanon.

LEBANIAN FACTOR

After the end of the Second Lebanon War, the Israel Defense Forces began to strengthen their missile defenses in order to protect the country's major cities from possible new attacks from Lebanon and the Gaza Strip. Hezbollah also did not sit on its hands and used the next lull to restore its missile potential. According to foreign intelligence services, the Lebanese resistance received from Syria in 2011, the Scud-D missiles with a range of up to 700 km. In addition, the Syrians can transfer to the militants modern air defense systems. Today, Hezbollah is equipped with a huge arsenal of thousands of rockets in 60.

Recall that the Shiite terrorist group Hezbollah was created in 1982 year during the First Lebanon War. From the very beginning, this organization maintained close ties with Iran. Hezbollah was founded by the spiritual leader of the Lebanese Shiites, Sheikh Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah. The main goals of the grouping are the creation of an Islamic republic in Lebanon and the struggle against the influence of the United States and Israel in the region. In 1984, Americans withdrew troops from Lebanese territory after bold suicide attacks on the embassy and military base. In Lebanon, meanwhile, the civil war continued. The intervention of Syria and Israel did not contribute to the rapid resolution of the internal conflict in the country. The IDF’s military presence in South Lebanon lasted until 2000. Later, Hezbollah only strengthened its position in the region thanks to the support of Tehran and Damascus.

Despite the numerous threats from Iran, Syria and Hezbollah, Israeli generals do not seem to believe that a large-scale military conflict in the Middle East could start. According to Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon, in the coming years, the place of armies will be taken by armed organizations without brakes armed from head to toe. “Changes in the region oblige us to start every morning with the question“ What has changed? ”And to align ourselves with reality. The dangers have not diminished, they have simply changed, become more elusive and sophisticated, ”Moshe Yaalon quotes the ITV channel 9.

WITH ACCENT ON ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES

In the coming years, the IDF is expected to see serious reforms aimed at increasing the effectiveness of the country's armed forces in the fight against the new challenges of the 21st century. The Ministry of Defense plans to pay more attention to raising the effectiveness of intelligence, developing computer technologies, equipping the AOI with high-precision types weapons... At the same time, several tank units and squadrons can be disbanded. Budget cuts are forcing the Department of Defense to take unpopular measures, which, moreover, can undermine the country's defense capability. The government hopes that the IDF will be able to maintain its technological superiority over the enemy armies despite economic difficulties. The United States will continue to provide military assistance to Israel at the same level. One of the priorities is to provide Israeli cities with a reliable missile defense shield. Israel has already deployed five Iron Dome missile defense batteries, which are on alert: in the North - in Haifa and Safed and in the South - in the Eilat region. However, this is clearly not enough to effectively protect the entire territory of the country, Israeli experts say. The US recently provided Israel with additional financial assistance to purchase five more Iron Dome batteries. But even this may not be enough if terrorists launch thousands of rockets on the Israeli North.

Today, the situation in South Lebanon is not much different from the one that developed shortly before the outbreak of the Second Lebanon War. Hezbollah not only restored its missile capabilities, but also increased the number of its personnel. True, seven years ago there was no civil war in Syria. Now Hezbollah is forced to transfer its militants to Syrian territory in order to support government troops fighting against the rebels, who are supported by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. At the moment, Hezbollah is not interested in launching another brawl on the Israeli-Lebanese border. However, Israel has no illusions about Syria and Hezbollah at all. The Netanyahu government openly declares that it will not allow the transfer of modern weapons to the Lebanese resistance. The Israel Defense Forces continue to deliver pinpoint strikes on the territory of a potential enemy, avoiding open war.
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  1. klimpopov
    klimpopov 16 August 2013 12: 56
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    Serdyukov to help them for reform laughing
    1. experienced
      experienced 16 August 2013 13: 01
      10
      Quote: klimpopov
      Serdyukov to help them for reform

      Klim, he’s got there local stripes wassat Here he is a "big thief", and there he will be a petty thief against the background of the giants wink
    2. igor67
      igor67 16 August 2013 13: 04
      20
      Thanks, we already had our laughing the one who is in civilian life
      1. il grand casino
        il grand casino 16 August 2013 13: 07
        13
        Quote: igor67
        Thanks, we already had our laughing the one who is in civilian life


        This is probably his collegoscope ...
        1. Jin
          Jin 16 August 2013 14: 10
          +4
          Quote: il grand casino
          This is probably his collegoscope ...


          laughing Definitely ... scream, damn it
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 16 August 2013 16: 06
            +7
            Quote: Jin
            Definitely ... scream, damn it

            NO, this is the Minister of Defense laughing
        2. poquello
          poquello 16 August 2013 22: 14
          +4
          Quote: il grand casino
          Quote: igor67
          Thanks, we already had our laughing the one who is in civilian life


          This is probably his collegoscope ...


          No, this is an introscope - he is trying to study his brain.
      2. klimpopov
        klimpopov 16 August 2013 13: 08
        +4
        So take ours too. We do not mind such "good". We can also throw it if necessary.
        1. tronin.maxim
          tronin.maxim 16 August 2013 13: 10
          +1
          Quote: klimpopov
          So take ours too. We do not mind such "good". We can also throw it if necessary.

          Yeah, for free, in short for free! laughing
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 16 August 2013 13: 13
            +1
            Yes, and pay, just take it!
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 16 August 2013 14: 43
              +4
              Quote: klimpopov
              Yes, and pay, just take it!

              Land, good health! her ... No. , such a weapon of mass destruction of the armed forces .. wassat ..also with transfer surcharge ... negative Only for cash, and prepaid ...
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 16 August 2013 16: 07
              +3
              Quote: klimpopov
              Yes, and pay, just take it!

              Klim, how do we pay it, and who will sit. (Light naive)
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 16 August 2013 20: 36
                +1
                They didn’t understand the whole strategy of my plan ...
            3. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 17 August 2013 12: 57
              +2
              Only with Chubais and without surcharge
        2. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 16 August 2013 13: 18
          0
          Quote: klimpopov
          So take ours

          Together with Vasilyeva and other riffraff. Hello everyone!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 16 August 2013 16: 08
            +4
            Quote: Hedgehog

            Together with Vasilyeva and other riffraff

            No, leave Vasiliev, I’ll go over to her with my two-room apartment. I agree to stay in her apartment for 3 years winked
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 16 August 2013 18: 16
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Leave Vasiliev, I’ll move to her

              It was a trifle, her request for your relocation to her, Sasha. Well, or just consent. But do you need it?
              According to estimates, a 13-room apartment with an area of ​​192 squares has an average of rooms with an area of ​​about 14 squares. No, you can’t buy me like that anymore. Although it’s time to look at 4 cubes. laughing
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 16 August 2013 20: 21
                +5
                Quote: Hedgehog
                Although it’s time to look at 4 cubes

                Eugene do not rush. No. .. we'll always be in time there yes . There is still much to do fellow drinks !
        3. True
          True 16 August 2013 13: 42
          +1
          The time will come, we will drown them at home.
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 16 August 2013 15: 23
            +3
            Quote: True
            The time will come, we will drown them at home

            Particleboard is burning badly, neither heat nor heat ...
        4. Hort
          Hort 16 August 2013 13: 55
          +1
          yeah, riding a rocket)))
      3. S-200
        S-200 16 August 2013 13: 27
        +1
        but you still haven't had SUCH main NANO-technologists (in the past - chief energetic specialist, grappler, zavlab ...)! Take - in a small WHOLESALE, our large "figures" ...
        wassat TAKE ... and DO NOT THANK! ....
      4. Tersky
        Tersky 16 August 2013 14: 36
        +3
        Quote: igor67
        Thank you, we already had our own one in civilian life.

        Igor, hi ! So is Serdyuk "jacket", so you won't even notice laughing we have his Investigative Committee and does not see him point blank .. wassat
      5. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 16 August 2013 16: 05
        +1
        Quote: igor67
        Thanks, we already had our

        Igoryanich, but I didn’t understand, why are you still on the site what
      6. Don
        Don 16 August 2013 16: 09
        +1
        Quote: igor67
        Thanks, we already had our

        What was his name?
        1. igor67
          igor67 16 August 2013 21: 49
          +4
          Quote: Don
          Quote: igor67
          Thanks, we already had our

          What was his name?

          Amir Peretz, the chairman of the union was then the Minister of Defense
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 16 August 2013 23: 12
            +4
            I don’t quite agree that Pepper was to blame. Wines at Mofaz, Halutz and the generals. Since 2000, the problems have been obvious.
          2. Very old
            Very old 17 August 2013 07: 07
            +1
            Well, in Israel, the "peppers" are not sweet
      7. Pimply
        Pimply 16 August 2013 23: 11
        +2
        In fact, the jambs of Halutz and Mofaz dumped de facto on Amir Peretz. He himself was doing the right thing - they knocked out money for the army and promoted army projects.
      8. Corsair
        Corsair 17 August 2013 06: 38
        +4
        Quote: igor67
        Thank you, we already had our own one in civilian life.


        Not only you ...
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 17 August 2013 06: 42
          +3
          Quote: Corsair
          Not only you ...

          Another, lower rank ...
          1. vaddag1
            vaddag1 17 August 2013 17: 24
            0
            thermal imager?
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 17 August 2013 22: 20
            +4
            Quote: Corsair
            Another, lower rank ...

            He has a night vision scope. In the afternoon with him they shoot just like that, with a cap. There is a small hole in it that allows for accurate shooting, while not burning out the sensors of the device and the eyes of the fighter.
        2. eplewke
          eplewke 19 August 2013 15: 58
          -1
          haha !!! laughing +1 per post !!!
      9. Very old
        Very old 17 August 2013 07: 04
        0
        We give ZADARMA what you turn your nose back ...
        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 17 August 2013 11: 26
          -2
          Why reform? Apparently, in order to protect the country that kills children, innocent people, the country that is responsible for inciting military conflicts, the seizure of foreign territory, which, with its bombing of independent Syria and the supply of weapons (enough evidence), supports radicals in this country that have recently shot 10 year old boys and who eat human organs. Well cool then. Only you need to remember that how much rope you can’t twist - the end is one - you will have to answer for all the crimes that your territorial misunderstanding has committed and no reforms will save. Do you think there are no enemies left?
          1. atalef
            atalef 17 August 2013 11: 41
            +8
            Quote: Ruslan_F38
            the country that is responsible for inciting military conflicts, the seizure of foreign territory,

            Check out first the story of who started all the wars.

            Quote: Ruslan_F38
            which, with its bombing of independent Syria and the supply of weapons (enough evidence), supports the radicals in this country

            The bombings of Syria were in our interests and did not render any assistance to the militants, and if and somehow indirectly helped, this is not the main thing.
            We do not deliver weapons (or facts to the studio). In general, we wish success to both parties to the conflict. laughing

            Quote: Ruslan_F38
            Do you think there are no enemies left?

            And they never disappeared. Only earlier was it harder. The USSR helped them, they didn’t have a mess, the same with Egypt and Jordan.
            Which of the neighbors now can potentially defeat Israel? Tell me, otherwise I’m confused. As long as we improve, our neighbors only destroy themselves. I wish them success in this difficult matter. laughing
            1. Ruslan_F38
              Ruslan_F38 17 August 2013 15: 44
              -3
              Yes, of course, you, as always, have nothing to do with anyone who doubts that the main interests are not of a legitimate entity called Israel, what does human life have to do with it? After all, this is just a bargaining chip to achieve your goals. I did not expect another answer. There is nothing to be done with perverted psychology since it is in your genes. Enough evidence - a jeep with electronic equipment - shown on TV Russia 24, your special units walking around the Syrian land at home (Russia 24 and other channels), you will probably say that they were there just to help the Syrian army to wet the militants? Israel is generally silent about small arms manufactured by Israel, there is a sea there, and the point is - you say that Russia is full of Russian weapons there, like a true Israeli.
              1. atalef
                atalef 17 August 2013 16: 55
                +5
                Quote: Ruslan_F38
                I did not expect another answer. There is nothing to be done with perverted psychology since it is in your genes. Enough evidence - a jeep with electronic equipment - is shown on TV Russia 24, your special units walking around the Syrian land at home (Russia 24 and other channels), you will probably say that they were there just to help

                There is nothing to do with such concepts on the site, if you are not even able to determine either the type of weapons or even at least the year of production of military equipment - go to Murzilka pliz, tell tales to children.
                Quote: Ruslan_F38
                About Israel small arms generally keep quiet

                Could say something laughing Or Kalash in service with the SSA, something they prove? Or did someone see the Tavors at the SSA? Fling your deluxe conclusions before the grandmothers on the bench.
                1. Ruslan_F38
                  Ruslan_F38 17 August 2013 22: 40
                  -6
                  There is nothing to do with such concepts on the site, if you are not even able to determine either the type of weapons or even at least the year of production of military equipment - go to Murzilka pliz, tell tales to children.
                  Could I say something laughing Or Kalash in the arsenal of the SSA, that prove something? Or did someone see the Tavors at the SSA? Fling your deluxe conclusions before the grandmothers on the bench.

                  And I don’t need to define anything, for me the very presence of your equipment and weapons in Syria is enough and this has been proven many times. In general, I think it makes no sense to prove to creatures like you - you don't hear anyone but yourself. With grandmothers on the bench, I think it will be more interesting to communicate than with you an incompetent creature with exorbitant conceit. Apparently this site is clearly the limit of your dreams and you simply have nowhere else to show off your "erudition"))).
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 17 August 2013 23: 54
                    +5
                    The presence of Russian weapons and Russian equipment in the hands of Syrian militants seems to indicate that Russia supplies the militants with weapons. You have the logic. BRAVO! BIS!
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 17 August 2013 22: 23
                +4
                Quote: Ruslan_F38
                Yes, of course, you, as always, have nothing to do with anyone who doubts that the main interests are not of a legitimate entity called Israel, what does human life have to do with it? After all, this is just a bargaining chip to achieve your goals. I did not expect another answer. There is nothing to be done with perverted psychology since it is in your genes. Enough evidence - a jeep with electronic equipment - shown on TV Russia 24, your special units walking around the Syrian land at home (Russia 24 and other channels), you will probably say that they were there just to help the Syrian army to wet the militants? Israel is generally silent about small arms manufactured by Israel, there is a sea there, and the point is - you say that Russia is full of Russian weapons there, like a true Israeli.

                Well, of course, all the monarchies of the gulf and Sunni Turkey, European countries such as France and Italy, which consider Syria and Lebanon as their patrimony, suddenly disappeared in the region, and only Israel will supply weapons to the militants of Islamic organizations that they are constantly fighting with. BRAVO! BIS! A PRIZE FOR GENIUS LOGIC ARE BORN TO THE STUDIO! BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!
                1. Ruslan_F38
                  Ruslan_F38 18 August 2013 14: 24
                  -4
                  Well, what about ingenious logic, you flatter me, although I don’t argue that such an assessment pleases, it’s another matter from whom it is - it would be better if they didn’t evaluate it — anyway, it hurts from a supporter of Natsik methods. Regarding the participation of the countries you listed above, of course, they have not gone anywhere - now these are your allies - you are doing one thing - the genocide of an entire people, the destruction of the independent state of Syria.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 19 August 2013 01: 33
                    0
                    Of course. It is beneficial for Israel to exchange some terrorists for others. BRAVO! CONGRATULATIONS! Prize to the studio. Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Europe - disappeared from the map. The main villain, Israel, feeds Sunni terrorists in order to fight them later. BRAVO!
              3. eplewke
                eplewke 19 August 2013 16: 07
                -1
                I will add that your specialists trained black-asses from Georgia. Your experts are involved in the murders of civilians in Tskhinvali. One of the killed was found with Israeli documents, or rather the IDF token. Your country armed the tie-expert Abgadishvili. I am already silent about the Syrian conflict. And I am silent about the "fingerless" nuclear arsenal. And you are so white and fluffy, you always offend the poor, Jews in one word ...
  2. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 16 August 2013 13: 01
    +4
    UAVs will also switch to robots. Now the professor will catch up with the pictures))
    1. Aryan
      Aryan 16 August 2013 19: 29
      +2
      I figure out the first ritual of cutting a robot with a can opener soldier
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 17 August 2013 22: 42
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      UAVs will also switch to robots. Now the professor will catch up with the pictures))


      Robots, however, robots can not do without a man. Recently I watched a film about a battalion of Bedouin trackers (Gadsar Bedoui) in the AOI. A very interesting experience in using such an unusual unit. Israeli Army Colonel Yosi Hadad, who heads the ranger service of the Southern Military District, says:
      "I have no doubt that even taking into account all the latest technological advances, there is no substitute for Bedouin trackers and their dedicated work"
      Maybe one of the Israelis will post an article on VO in detail, it would be nice. Only preferably not from Shulman if possible.

      1. Rumata
        Rumata 18 August 2013 01: 15
        +3
        Quote: Ascetic
        Maybe one of the Israelis will post an article on VO in detail, it would be nice. Only preferably not from Shulman if possible.

        By the way, yes, of course there were slobs among them, but very often they drove us into a stupor. More than once they, on crumpled grass or something in the sand, gave a sea of ​​information and turned out to be right. Read a more detailed article would be interesting.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 18 August 2013 01: 18
          +2
          Quote: Rumata
          Read a more detailed article would be interesting.


          Moreover, they serve on a voluntary basis, and not like everyone else on a call ... Perhaps this is the only such division of its kind.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 18 August 2013 03: 07
        +3
        I think I'll write something as I will be more free
  3. alone
    alone 16 August 2013 13: 07
    +9
    Despite numerous threats from Iran, Syria and Hezbollah, Israeli generals do not seem to believe in the possibility of a large-scale military conflict in the Middle East.

    Well, if you consider that other parties to the conflict are now engaged in holding "REVOLUTIONS", then the generals seem to be right. All this was planned precisely so that the region would think less about Israel and deal with their artificially created problems
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 August 2013 16: 10
      0
      Quote: lonely
      Despite numerous threats from Iran, Syria and Hezbollah, Israeli generals do not seem to believe in the possibility of a large-scale military conflict in the Middle East.

      Yes, they do not believe in Christ
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 17 August 2013 06: 44
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, they do not believe in Christ


        It's too much...
        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 17 August 2013 11: 27
          0
          This is not superfluous, it is a statement of fact.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 17 August 2013 22: 24
        +3
        Sasha, is this a problem?
  4. a52333
    a52333 16 August 2013 13: 15
    +3
    well, considering that the other parties to the conflict are now busy with holding "REVOLUTIONS"
    Notice how quickly the Israelis change their strategy. Straight already envious. There are no large forces capable of resisting their Tsakhal, instantly switched to another.
    1. alone
      alone 16 August 2013 13: 20
      +5
      Quote: a52333
      how fast are the Israelis changing their strategy


      this is their crown trump card. it is the result of a pragmatic policy towards their own country
      1. dirty trick
        dirty trick 16 August 2013 13: 26
        +4
        Quote: lonely
        it is the result of a pragmatic policy

        I support, they know how to solve problems, for example with the Palestinians:
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 16 August 2013 13: 32
          0
          Quote: dirty trick
          they can solve problems

          But how will the Palestinians achieve partition and bordering, at least within the framework of 1967, will there still be? Well this is what Kus fall off from Israel !!!
        2. igor67
          igor67 16 August 2013 13: 42
          +9
          Here are two years on the site and constantly here they upload this picture, I won’t google it, I’ll say the only thing during the section. In the Jewish and Arab states (then not Palestine, so the correct name is Palestine is the land of Israel) so here is the English lord, I also don’t remember the surname and it doesn’t matter when separating Egypt from the Jewish state, drawn a line along a ruler and hooked a nail with a pencil and there was a ledge at the border, but in this picture for some reason it’s painted in green, in short
          1. dirty trick
            dirty trick 16 August 2013 14: 01
            +2
            Quote: igor67
            shorter bullshit

            Dear, I did not attach this picture as an insult, but as a proof of what can be achieved if you think with your head and not with ...
            and my statement about problem solving is not a mockery.
          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 16 August 2013 14: 19
            +4
            Quote: igor67
            The English lord ... when separating Egypt from the Jewish state, drew a line along a ruler and hooked a nail with a pencil

            The powers that be have strange diseases that substitute their fingers under a pencil. That is the Tsar of Russia, That is Lord Aglitsky, then someone else.
          3. Alex Nick
            Alex Nick 16 August 2013 15: 52
            0
            About the finger there was already a bike about Peter 1 about the Moscow-St. Petersburg railway. I propose to come up with another.
            1. Olegovi4
              Olegovi4 17 August 2013 00: 21
              +7
              You apparently meant all the same Alexander the second, Peter the first and the railways agree, as it does not fit))).
            2. builder
              builder 17 August 2013 17: 01
              +1
              I made fun of Peter 1 laughing
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 16 August 2013 16: 11
          +1
          Quote: dirty trick
          I support, they know how to solve problems, for example with the Palestinians:

          I do not understand, but where is the gas sector?
          1. wanderer
            wanderer 17 August 2013 00: 58
            +3
            This is there on the left where the green)))
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 18 August 2013 01: 24
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I do not understand, but where is the gas sector?


            Yes, here he is .. about demobilization sings smile


      2. krasin
        krasin 16 August 2013 16: 35
        +1
        The Israel Defense Forces continue to deliver targeted attacks on the territory of a potential enemy, avoiding open warfare.

        A well-thought-out strategy, (Jews) ... but ... the cat scratches its ridge!
  5. Seraph
    Seraph 16 August 2013 13: 16
    0
    "the time of large-scale armed conflicts with the simultaneous participation of several Arab countries is over"
    The East is a delicate matter, they will not have time to reform under such a thesis, as the Arabs and the Persians will again come together in a noisy crowd and put all the "children of Abraham" on rafts, inflatable mattresses and pleasure boats, and without food rations they will be sent to search for a new homeland. And the state regional committee will not lift a finger, if it was provided for (it is not in vain that the Islamists are helped). And then what? To Odessa, to Madagascar, to Uganda, to Brighton Beach, to Birobidzhan?
    It's time for Jewish Serdyukov to change his mind ...
    Personally, I am concerned about one possible consequence of their military reforms: how will the conditions for the pilgrimage to Jerusalem change under Arab rule and will all our shrines be preserved?
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 16 August 2013 15: 04
      +3
      With the wild policy of the Arabs and their radical "squads", I think that the shrines will be blown up, they have nothing sacred.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 16 August 2013 15: 49
      +9
      Quote: Seraphim
      Arabs and Persians will come together again in a noisy crowd and put all the "children of Abraham" on rafts


      And what again? Again the whole crowd will rake in full? how many times in our memory have tried and all about .... and, why would they win? Again throw our equipment and home, until the next leader ....
      1. Seraph
        Seraph 16 August 2013 21: 22
        -1
        So we are talking about the fact that IDFs are going to reform and reduce. And all the defeats of the Arabs were in times of general conscription and mass mobilization
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 16 August 2013 23: 15
          +2
          Reform and shorten a number of units and service life. And do not cancel the reservist service and conscription. Now they serve three years, they want to do two and six.
    3. wanderer
      wanderer 17 August 2013 01: 03
      +8
      Seraphim, don’t be so naive, all Israelis are well aware that in case of a defeat, boats and mattresses will not be offered, but simply cut their throats (at best, not with a blunt knife) so that the conclusion is either pan or disappeared))) unlikely to take))
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 18 August 2013 01: 36
        +3
        Quote: wanderer
        ) We are unlikely to be taken prisoner)


        I still remember the Soviet Charter Chapter 1 General duties of military personnel which was taught by heart, there in particular about the surrender of such words
        Nothing, including the threat of death, should
        make a serviceman of the USSR Armed Forces surrender.
        Treason to the Motherland is a grave crime against the Soviet
        by the people.


        And in the Charter of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, such a condition is recognized as possible and a soldier in captivity is considered acting military service (with the exception of voluntary surrender).
        Interestingly, in Israel, what is the situation in the Charter on this issue?
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 18 August 2013 01: 40
          0
          I read somewhere that an Israeli soldier who was captured is charged with the obligation to tell everything that he knows. But I can not vouch for reliability.
          1. Rumata
            Rumata 18 August 2013 02: 10
            +3
            Quote: Alex 241
            I read somewhere that an Israeli soldier who was captured is charged with the obligation to tell everything that he knows. But I can not vouch for reliability.

            This, in theory, should be carried by every soldier.
            In brief, an IDF soldier who has been captured will report to captives only the following data: personal number, rank, surname, first name and date of birth. If you have a passport, you must present it. It is forbidden to provide any other information except the personal data above.

            This document is numbered "Topes 404" ("Form 404") and classified as "Mugbal" (ie DSP).
            Now the book looks a little different, but the meaning is the same. There are still items about vaccinations, allergies, blood type
            1. Anti
              Anti 18 August 2013 02: 25
              -1
              Surrendered, you become automatically a traitor. What could be the questions? You will not tell voluntarily, you will tell under torture that you know and do not know, and then they will also clean it up.
              1. Rumata
                Rumata 18 August 2013 02: 43
                +4
                Quote: Anti
                Surrendered

                They do not always surrender to prisoners, there are injuries, concussions, etc. Besides letting yourself a bullet in the forehead at the slightest chance of being captured, at least silly
                1. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 18 August 2013 09: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: Rumata
                  They do not always surrender to prisoners, there are injuries, concussions, etc. Besides letting yourself a bullet in the forehead at the slightest chance of being captured, at least silly


                  Exist responsibility for voluntary surrender. Otherwise, according to the Law on Military Duty and Military Service, captivity is counted as the performance of military service duties.

                  If a soldier, being in a helpless state, including due to a severe wound or shell shock, will be captured by the enemy, he must seek and use every opportunity for his release and the release of his comrades from captivity and return to his military unit.
                  A soldier captured by the enemy during interrogation He has the right to inform only his last name, first name, patronymic, military rank, date of birth and personal number. He is obliged to preserve honor and dignity, not to disclose state secrets, to show steadfastness and courage, to help other military personnel who are in captivity, to keep them from aiding the enemy, to reject the enemy’s attempts to use the military to damage the Russian Federation and its Armed Forces.
                  Military personnel captured or held hostage, as well as internees in neutral countries, retain the status of military personnel. Commanders (commanders) are required to take measures to release the specified military personnel in accordance with international humanitarian law.

                  From the Charter of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Chapter General duties of military personnel.

                  In the USSR, according to Art. 264 of the Criminal Code provided for liability only for "voluntary surrender by cowardice or cowardice." Guilty for the indicated act “Shall be punished by the death penalty or imprisonment for a term of fifteen years”

                  In Ukraine and now the Criminal Code has an article 430 which stipulates liability for voluntary surrender
                  Voluntary surrender by cowardice or cowardice, shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of seven to
                  ten years.

                  And in Azerbaijan, for example, Article 259 - the death penalty.

                  We do not have a direct article in the Criminal Code, in this case, criminal liability arises under Article 332 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - "Failure to comply with the order".
                  When I studied at the Academy, they explained to us that the criminal liability for crimes against military service committed in wartime or in a combat situation is determined by the legislation of the Russian Federation in wartime. At that time, such legislation did not exist ... I don’t know if it exists at all now. Truth is Defense Actbut the Criminal Code of war did not see.
  6. Vtel
    Vtel 16 August 2013 13: 21
    -1
    Hezbollah was founded by the Lebanese Shiite spiritual leader, Sheikh Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah. The main goals of the group are the creation of an Islamic republic in Lebanon and the struggle against the influence of the United States and Israel in the region.


    Comrades kosher, the rake has not yet been canceled, what you sow with others, you will reap with the sebe. Islamist radicals have spread all over the world, have lit the fire of color revolutions, but you don’t want to mean it yourself, but you have to. It's time to collect the stones.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 16 August 2013 23: 17
      +5
      You have obsessive nonsense. Israel has been fighting Islamic radicals all its life - you think that they have just appeared and Israel is to blame for this. Bravo. Gulf countries have disappeared from the map, you see. No Qatar, no Turkey, no Saudi Arabia. Nobody here.
    2. wanderer
      wanderer 17 August 2013 01: 07
      +3
      Comrade is not kosher, (VTEL) and the potato didn’t freak out through our fault too ???
  7. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 16 August 2013 13: 22
    +2
    Today, Hezbollah is equipped with a huge arsenal of 60 thousand missiles.

    And such a tough army as the Israeli is not able to cover these warehouses! Only a trifle in their pockets is scammed, allegedly destroying caravans with "Buks", and they show photos of the "Os" allegedly broken by them
    1. igor67
      igor67 16 August 2013 13: 31
      +6
      Quote: Hedgehog
      Today, Hezbollah is equipped with a huge arsenal of 60 thousand missiles.

      And such a tough army as the Israeli is not able to cover these warehouses! Only a trifle in their pockets is scammed, allegedly destroying caravans with "Buks", and they show photos of the "Os" allegedly broken by them

      How do you imagine that? Hezbola now enters both the parliament and the government of Lebanon, so it’s impossible, it’s aggression, if Hezbola hits like in 2006 then yes, now there will be screams, but what about Syria? I don’t know most likely because Syria is illegally supplying weapons to Hezbola.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 16 August 2013 13: 37
        +7
        Quote: igor67
        Hezbollah is now a member of both the parliament and the government of Lebanon, so you can’t

        Can Damascus be? Of course, Hezbollah does not sit in government there. Right?
        Yes, and as you can see, Israel also supplies weapons, albeit old, and assistance to Syrian bandits. Igor, are you subtly hinting that Assad has the right to attack Israel?
        1. igor67
          igor67 16 August 2013 13: 45
          +6
          Quote: Hedgehog
          Quote: igor67
          Hezbollah is now a member of both the parliament and the government of Lebanon, so you can’t

          Can Damascus be? Of course, Hezbollah does not sit in government there. Right?
          Yes, and as you can see, Israel also supplies weapons, albeit old, and assistance to Syrian bandits. Igor, are you subtly hinting that Assad has the right to attack Israel?

          I guess, yes! Does he need it now?
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 16 August 2013 13: 48
            +1
            Quote: igor67
            Does he need it now?

            I would put this question differently. But does Israel need it?
            And the answer to it will unequivocally dot all the "i" and show which of the xy. laughing
            1. igor67
              igor67 16 August 2013 13: 51
              +2
              Quote: Hedgehog
              Quote: igor67
              Does he need it now?

              I would put this question differently. But does Israel need it?
              And the answer to it will unequivocally dot all the "i" and show which of the xy. laughing

              And what for Israel?
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 16 August 2013 14: 12
                +1
                Quote: igor67
                And what for Israel?

                Well, after all, that Israel is bombing Damascus. And if it’s bonbit, then it’s nasty.
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 16 August 2013 19: 17
                  +5
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  Well, after all, that Israel is bombing Damascus. And if it’s bonbit, then it’s nasty.

                  And once "pout", it means "must count on change." Nothing personal: Newton's third law - "how it comes around and will respond"
                  1. Ezhaak
                    Ezhaak 16 August 2013 20: 52
                    +1
                    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                    means "must also count on change

                    That's right. But al-Assad understands that he is smarter than Hitler and cannot be fought on 2 or 3 fronts. Everything has its time! The Syrian Golan Heights may wait. And they will get to them, and there maybe more. Wait and see.
                    1. wanderer
                      wanderer 17 August 2013 01: 11
                      +1
                      The hedgehog-golan were under Syrians less than this under Israel, so here the grandmother said in two.
                      1. Ezhaak
                        Ezhaak 17 August 2013 10: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: wanderer
                        the golans were under the Syrians less than this under Israel, so here the grandmother said in two.

                        My dear, until 1948, Israel did not exist for many centuries, and so what? Rejoice that you were not able to settle in Crimea at one time. The Crimean Tatars have eaten you bald tonight. And they are far from Arabs! And Stalin immediately understood this, as soon as the Crimeans against your settlers arose. Did not let you cut, saved you! You bark at Stalin from the gateway.
        2. igor67
          igor67 17 August 2013 16: 28
          +2
          I found a video about the beginning of the war of 2006. On the first shots, the city I live in. During the filming, the rocket hit the residential quarter
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 17 August 2013 17: 08
            +1
            Igor, to be honest, after watching ANNA News reports, this video is not impressive. The only place that made me "stop" was figs at 18:40. And a small red-haired dog who doesn't care about anything.
            1. igor67
              igor67 17 August 2013 17: 15
              +4
              Eugene is a cut of what didn’t enter the official report of the RTVay channel. For example, the rocket fell and when the operator said that he was beating his heart out of fright, I like it better than the monotonous voice acting of ANNA. Inzhira is full here, but somehow I’m not used to apples watermelon. and then I shot this hit
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 17 August 2013 17: 23
                0
                Yes, that’s right, that’s right, ANNA’s voice acting is sluggish. BUT the show itself is frankly better. From the previous one, I deleted what I wrote about editing so as not to offend. But what if! Yes, it is visible from afar that there is working material.
                And figs and jam from it are a thing. I have no doubt that there was a yellow fig in the frame. But not all types of it are suitable for jam. Molds, if not that kind. fellow
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 17 August 2013 22: 25
            0
            Serega and Semyon 8) Familiar faces in the frame, familiar faces behind the scenes 8)))
  8. Tatar
    Tatar 16 August 2013 14: 07
    +2
    Guys of fagots are completely overgrown http://sport.mail.ru/news/athletics/14354391/?sent=1#articlepoll
    Helen is the milkweed! began to respect even more !!!!!!!!
  9. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 16 August 2013 14: 41
    +1
    The Israel Defense Forces continue to deliver targeted attacks on the territory of a potential enemy, avoiding open warfare.

    A petty provocateur can run into big trouble. Syria will end the civil war, Iran will make a bomb. Hezbollah will lead the Lebanese government. Then you can no longer say: "The air strikes were inflicted not by us, but by aliens." The States will have to hide Izya under their skirt again.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 16 August 2013 23: 18
      +3
      Do you want the Shiite terrorists to lead the Lebanese government?
  10. Siberian
    Siberian 16 August 2013 15: 27
    0
    Quote: klimpopov
    Serdyukov to help them for reform
    Serdyukov would not hurt them. At least half a year laughing
  11. 12345
    12345 16 August 2013 16: 20
    +2
    Israel continues to discuss the upcoming army reform, which ... should lead to ... a significant reduction in the number of personnel ...


    Indeed, with microscopic territory, in all, ONE nuclear warhead worked - and any army turns, at best, into a bunch of disabled people.
    Quite a natural desire - so that, however, there were fewer disabled people.

    ... One of the priority tasks is to provide Israeli cities with a reliable missile defense shield ...


    If the Jews still believe this propaganda, then they are not at all as smart as they themselves think ...

    Not one, but TWO nuclear warheads will work. Moreover, the first charge could work in general NOT ABOVE the TERRITORY of such a ridiculously small country like Israel.
    But this, nevertheless, is enough for the vaunted "kumpol" to go blind, deaf and fell into deep thoughtfulness. So deep that it will not be able to prevent the SECOND nuclear weapon from working.

    Sadness ...
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 16 August 2013 18: 23
      0
      Quote: 12345
      Not one, but TWO nuclear warheads will work.

      What kind of vigorous ammunition against the "kumpol" are we talking about? That dome is not worthy to spend vigorous ammunition on it. He is not capable of fighting against serious warheads. His destiny is flying pipes for plowing the Negev desert, loudly called "Grad" shells.
      1. 12345
        12345 16 August 2013 20: 13
        -3
        Quote: Hedgehog
        What kind of vigorous ammunition against the "kumpol" are we talking about?


        About "kumpol" - in a broad sense. The one that the Jews strained to advertise as "iron" turned out to be "tin". I remember that after being used "in business" they even refused to buy it from Israel.
        No, the tin, in principle, is kaneshno - made of iron ... Only of very thin ... laughing
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 16 August 2013 23: 20
          +4
          Strange, that’s why it’s the turn for the purchase, and the efficiency turned out to be higher than the calculated one?
        2. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 17 August 2013 10: 42
          +1
          The Arab brothers were offended by you. They came and raided. They are. Rejoice that you have not called an anti-Semite. True, they rise across the throat.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 16 August 2013 23: 20
      +3
      That is why Israel is unlikely to give such an opportunity.
  12. Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 16 August 2013 18: 50
    +5
    but I really like the epic with Israeli religious orthodox, they will not fight, this should be secular. let the girls command the tank crews and grind with machine guns, and the fat, hefty bugs will earnestly pray for the victory of Israeli weapons.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 16 August 2013 23: 21
      +3
      Ultra-Orthodox. Orthodox Christians serve and how. In addition, among the ultra-Orthodox there are many employees - for example, the Netzach Yehuda division
  13. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 16 August 2013 19: 33
    +5
    I will explain my thought, ernically presented in a previous post.
    After the stabilization of the situation in the region, Israel will not be able to continue to pursue a policy of selective targeted strikes against independent Arab states and Iran too. Such behavior will certainly arouse the desire to "answer", or, which is even worse for God's chosen ones, to do away with it once and for all. Israel can reduce the number not to the detriment of BG, since it has a well-functioning system for training reservists. And the soldiers go on leave, go home with regular small arms. At the first whistle, they will all be in line. But this is possible only as long as "controlled chaos" is maintained in the region. But sooner or later everything ends. Then the neighbors can remember the wrongs. So it seems to me that it is wiser not to tease the geese, but to try to conclude a truce (ideally, peace).
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 16 August 2013 23: 22
      +1
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      After the stabilization of the situation in the region, Israel will not be able to continue to pursue a policy of selective targeted strikes against independent Arab states and Iran too. Such behavior will certainly arouse the desire to "answer", or, which is even worse for God's chosen ones, to end it once and for all.

      Justify.
    2. atalef
      atalef 17 August 2013 09: 31
      +2
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      I will explain my thought, ernically presented in a previous post.
      After stabilizing the situation in the region,

      I have to wait 20 years
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Israel will not be able to continue pursuing a policy of selective target strikes against independent Arab states and Iran too

      Why
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Such behavior will certainly arouse the desire to "answer", or, even worse for God's chosen ones, to end it once and for all.

      They have not been through it since 1947, 5 wars, the result should be reminded? Or maybe what has changed?
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      ... But this is possible only as long as "controlled chaos" is maintained in the region.

      In general, until 2011 there were no chaos, neither controlled nor semi-controlled.

      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Then the neighbors can recall the insults. So it seems to me that it’s wiser not to tease the geese, but to try to conclude a truce (ideally, the world).

      Read the story about geese, wars and results.
  14. faraon
    faraon 17 August 2013 02: 48
    +5
    ,
    Quote: BoA KAA
    I will explain my thought, ernically presented in a previous post.
    After the stabilization of the situation in the region, Israel will not be able to continue to pursue a policy of selective targeted strikes against independent Arab states and Iran too. Such behavior will certainly arouse the desire to "answer", or, which is even worse for God's chosen ones, to do away with it once and for all. Israel can reduce the number not to the detriment of BG, since it has a well-functioning system for training reservists. And the soldiers go on leave, go home with regular small arms. At the first whistle, they will all be in line. But this is possible only as long as "controlled chaos" is maintained in the region. But sooner or later everything ends. Then the neighbors can remember the wrongs. So it seems to me that it is wiser not to tease the geese, but to try to conclude a truce (ideally, peace).

    Dear what you are talking about, what kind of stupidity you are talking about. In Israel, the reform in the Army is not being made to weaken as in Russia after Yeltsin’s arrival, and only recently, since Putin’s arrival, has been slowly rising from the knees. to strengthen the country's defenses, I would even say to strengthen.
    Israel has nothing to lose, and if there is a threat to the existence of the state, then the nuclear potential will fly in different directions. You do not need to underestimate the enemy’s forces.
    With regard to chaos, this is practically and theoretically impossible in the IDF, since the army is under arms and, as you aptly noted, even when soldiers leave for dismissal, they take weapons with them. In the event of a threat within 6 hours, the army will be fully mobilized. a man of trained fighters. What the Middle Eastern countries cannot expose in 24 hours. And this is another plus in the direction of the army.
    And God forbid, a war of survival will begin, there will not help any notes of protest from the UN, nor will help anything. So even here you have choked. What is Syria at the moment is a country with a destroyed economy (God grant Assad a victory over this rabble) She another 30 years will rise from the ruins.
    Lebanon, the same inter-ethnic conflicts have brought this prosperous country to a hilt. She can’t fight with Israel either. Saudis have long been under Uncle Sema’s cap. They will spend Spring in the event of disagreement with US policy. Egypt is also the poorest country and it is not known what will happen to her next.
    Iran, also not a problem, the beginning will be with a cyber attack and then growing. The exercises with visual aids have already passed and there the ayatols are quite adequate and normal guys are sitting, they do not need these exacerbations for nothing.
    Well, in a nutshell, there’s the whole review. Why are there refuses in Tsakhal. And the fact that the fighter will serve half a year less is not fundamentally important; he will catch up with these reserves for six months.
    Well, the last thing about the neighbors' memory and their grievances, their memory is bad, as they begin to remember, Israel conducts a kind of therapy and the desire to remember disappears immediately
  15. beifall
    beifall 17 August 2013 06: 37
    +1
    The Jewish state is one of three countries (the United States and Great Britain) that have a powerful army, not only winning wars, but also in simultaneous wars! Winning two wars at the same time is worth a lot!
    Hebrew or Yiddish is a Semitic subgroup of languages, and Arabic is Hamitic, they all belong to the Semitic-Hamitic group, in fact they are at war ................ brothers, this is info from the book ethnography peoples of the world, Moscow 1982!
    1. Very old
      Very old 17 August 2013 07: 18
      0
      Not new. ARAFAT: we are brothers, albeit cousins
      1. atalef
        atalef 17 August 2013 09: 33
        +4
        Quote: Very old
        ARAFAT: we are brothers, albeit cousins

        Tambov Wolf is his brother.
        1. Very old
          Very old 17 August 2013 10: 52
          +1
          ALEXANDER, however, one Semitic group
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 17 August 2013 11: 04
        0
        Quote: beifall
        actually fighting ................ brothers,

        An older book called "Old Testament" also claims this, in the Bible it is described / written
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  17. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 17 August 2013 12: 46
    0
    Citizens comrades. Who knows, tell me what is shown in the picture. I can’t insert it, so I give a link to it. I tried several photo storages and none of them inserts a picture into the message.
    http://keep4u.ru/full/a694bb75ea98dd59b8d1cc74f3a799ba.html
    1. Witold
      Witold 17 August 2013 20: 10
      +5
      Written by cast TNT. TNT checker.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 18 August 2013 10: 05
        0
        Thank. And in this case, another question. What language is the inscription in? Whose production?
  18. faraon
    faraon 17 August 2013 13: 45
    +3
    Quote: Hedgehog
    Quote: wanderer
    the golans were under the Syrians less than this under Israel, so here the grandmother said in two.

    My dear, until 1948, Israel did not exist for many centuries, and so what? Rejoice that you were not able to settle in Crimea at one time. The Crimean Tatars have eaten you bald tonight. And they are far from Arabs! And Stalin immediately understood this, as soon as the Crimeans against your settlers arose. Did not let you cut, saved you! You bark at Stalin from the gateway.

    Dear Israel, there has been throughout the history of the Jewish presence in Jerusalem for all ages.
    As for the Crimea, let me remind you that he moved to Ukraine, and if Joseph Vissarionovich had once listened to the representatives of the Jewish public, then at this time Crimea would have remained with Russia, and would have been one of the richest republics, and so all remained a Russian health resort. What is now Crimea under Ukraine, in fact, but practically under the Tatars. Now the reverse process is happening there - naturalization of the Tatar population, that is, over time the situation will arise in the Middle East between Jews and Arabs.
    Is it necessary for Russia ??? Of course, one can say it’s to blame, it’s true, but this porridge of Russia will have to be torn apart.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 17 August 2013 14: 34
      0
      Quote: faraon
      Dear Israel existed

      At first, in the eighteenth century, he as a state did not exist. And the Jewish people were scattered around the world. And if we talk about the presence of the people, then it is possible to agree even before its presence in Europe, Russia, and so on, and then declare all this the property of that people? This is too much. The Israelis seem to be pulling the blanket too much.
      Quote: faraon
      As for the Crimea, let me remind you that he moved to Ukraine

      In which year Crimea moved to Ukraine and in what year Soviet Jewry rushed to conquer the warm lands of Crimea and when they actually refused to resettle in Birobidzhan. Speak, dear, but before - think. And by the way, let me tell you that the Crimean Tatars have always lived in Crimea. And their presence there was agreed upon by the Turkish Pasha and the Russian Tsar. So that they are NOT kicked out of there!
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 17 August 2013 14: 43
        +2
        Quote: Hedgehog
        Crimean Tatars always lived in Crimea.
        They came there in the train of the Golden Horde in the 13th century. A long time ago, of course, but still not always
        Quote: faraon
        As for the Crimea, let me remind you that he moved to Ukraine, and if Joseph Vissarionovich had listened to the representatives of the Jewish public at one time, then in this time Crimea would have remained with Russia, and would have been one of the richest republics, and so all remained the Russian health resort.
        That’s what you can’t blame the Jews for - it’s in philanthropy. So, most likely, he would be a health resort, but as for the Russian one, let me doubt ... what
        A couple of branches of the Jewish people in Crimea have indeed lived long since. These are Krymchaks and Karaites. That's just their success in the development of health resorts, no matter how I try, but I can’t remember ...
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 17 August 2013 14: 58
          0
          Quote: Misantrop
          A long time ago, of course, but still not always

          Everything in the world is relative. And in this case we can say that always. And they did not voluntarily interrupt their residence in Crimea, they arranged it for a short period. laughing
          Our friends from Israel did not live there for a much longer period and claim that this is their land. To which I often answer: But do Armenians also have the right to demand the restoration of the Great State of Urartu?
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 17 August 2013 22: 27
          +1
          Quote: Misantrop
          That’s what you can’t blame the Jews for - it’s in philanthropy.

          Correctly. After all, you are not aware of the obligations of Jews in philanthropy.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 17 August 2013 22: 31
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            After all, you are not aware of the obligations of Jews in philanthropy.

            Oh, just don’t say that she’s criminally punishable for a real Jew. laughing
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 17 August 2013 23: 55
              +1
              No, it is required. Included in the basic principles of Judaism.
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    1. alex13-61
      alex13-61 17 August 2013 16: 29
      +2
      This dung fly underneath all the topics has spoiled .... Don’t think about stopping by !!!
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 17 August 2013 16: 35
        -1
        Quote: alex13-61
        This dung fly underneath all the topics has spoiled

        And at the specific address, everything is clear that this is a left link and it does not carry anything clear.
      2. Alex 241
        Alex 241 17 August 2013 16: 36
        +1
        Admins wrote already, zamusinuste in the dead so that he could no longer write.
  20. faraon
    faraon 17 August 2013 17: 22
    +1
    Quote: Hedgehog
    Quote: faraon
    Dear Israel existed

    At first, in the eighteenth century, he as a state did not exist. And the Jewish people were scattered around the world. And if we talk about the presence of the people, then it is possible to agree even before its presence in Europe, Russia, and so on, and then declare all this the property of that people? This is too much. The Israelis seem to be pulling the blanket too much.
    Quote: faraon
    As for the Crimea, let me remind you that he moved to Ukraine

    In which year Crimea moved to Ukraine and in what year Soviet Jewry rushed to conquer the warm lands of Crimea and when they actually refused to resettle in Birobidzhan. Speak, dear, but before - think. And by the way, let me tell you that the Crimean Tatars have always lived in Crimea. And their presence there was agreed upon by the Turkish Pasha and the Russian Tsar. So that they are NOT kicked out of there!

    Well, as for the first paragraph about the Jewish presence in Jerusalem. After the destruction of the temple by the Romans, most of the Jews were taken prisoner, transported to and sold into slavery to other countries, but some insignificant and more loyal to Rome were left to look after and restore order in Jerusalem and its suburb. (search the internet for "Jewish presence in Jerusalem)
    As for the Arab population, which was absent at that time and was deprived by the end of the 18th and beginning of the 19th centuries, it began to settle on the land of Israel from Egypt, Emen. For the most part, these were by no means landowners, but only modest fellahs who sought their happiness in Palestine . So if we talk about the indigenous population, yes it eventually turned out to be a minority, but there was no state until! (; * Year, but there was always a presence.
    Regarding Crimea, let's look at this question from the other side. Jews would have been given Crimea instead of Birobidzhan for compact living. Tell me whether he would become less Soviet from this or he immediately asked for independence? I doubt it. Or do you want to say that your the wife preferred a Jewish gynecologist to a sky, or a dentist, or a surgeon, etc. etc., and this is just a little that can be said. (If in doubt, ask your wife) Now, the second, perhaps, there wouldn’t be such an outflow of technical and creative intelligentsia from the union that would greatly affect the national economy, and only strengthened sworn enemies Of Russia.
    Or you probably think that the first post-war repatriates who came to Israel came to the country flowing with milk and honey. -You are mistaken. It was a desert with malaria swamps and salt marshes.
    In my opinion, Jews should have been allowed to live in Crimea, in any case, it would be the territory of Russia, which is now the Jewish Autonomous Region (it does not ask for China)
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 17 August 2013 17: 36
      -1
      Quote: faraon
      repatriates who came to Israel got into the country flowing with milk and honey. -You are mistaken

      I will leave the first part unanswered. For it is pointless.
      Reply to quote.
      Repatriation (from lat. Repatriate) - homecoming.
      The term is usually used in relation to prisoners of war, displaced persons, refugees, emigrants with the restoration of citizenship or return to the country of residence of the insured in the event of an insured event.

      It seems that you, my dear, were even banned in Google, I will not say anything about Yandex and Baida. The use of the term repatriation is not applicable to any immigrant to Israel, as can be seen from the wording of the term. Likewise, the use of the word "anti-Semite" is an incorrect formulation of the attitude towards Jews. Although it was invented in Germany.
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 18 August 2013 01: 09
        +1
        Quote: Hedgehog
        Repatriation (from lat. Repatriate) - homecoming.
        The term is usually used in relation to prisoners of war, displaced persons, refugees.

        That's exactly what usually, repatriation has many meanings, even there is repatriation of currency, cultural repatriation, and so on, this is clearly written even in the wiki with which you copied the paragraph.
        Medical repatriation
        Refugee repatriation
        Economic repatriation
        Repatriation of currency
        Cultural repatriation
        The Rastafari call for repatriation to Africa, probably also solid prisoners of war. If you haven’t been banned from Google, then read about repatriation programs from different countries, this is a legal term, and even in Putin’s new program, upon the return of the former residents of the Russian Federation, it will be used ... It’s not a bad seal, it’s a complete negative ...
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 18 August 2013 10: 02
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          Quote: Rumata
          repatriation has many meanings

          Human repatriation has ONLY one meaning! And do not take the topic away. Not a single Jew who came to live in Israel falls into this term. This is a lie of Israeli propaganda.
          Quote: Rumata
          solid negative

          And why be positive if Israel does not provide it?
          Quote: Rumata
          even in Putin’s new program, upon the return of former residents of the Russian Federation, he is used

          Here, the answer to the question posed by Rumata himself is CLEAR. Return program former residents of the Russian Federation
          And which of those who returned to Israel was once a resident of it ??? NOBODY AND NEVER !!!
          Is that the "Bumpy" will have the right to be called a repatriate. BUT he will not use this right. It was not for nothing that he fled to Russia! And, by the way, since he fled from Russia and returned again, here he is definitely a repatriate.
          1. Rumata
            Rumata 18 August 2013 14: 24
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            Quote: Hedgehog
            Not a single Jew who came to live in Israel falls into this term. This is a lie of Israeli propaganda.

            wassat
            Take two. Repatriation, in the modern sense of the word, is the arrival of people entitled to citizenship, according to one or another criteria. In Germany there is a repatriation program, in Israel, Spain, Belgium ...
            For example, the children of Germans' parents have the right to German citizenship and, accordingly, to repatriation, EVEN IF THEY HAVE NOT BORN AND HAVE NOT LIVED THERE.

            A late immigrant (Spaetaussiedler) can only be considered a person of German nationality (ein deutscher Volkszugehoeriger). Who can relate to the latter is defined in para. 6 Abs 2 BVFG. In accordance with the provision of this rule a person of German nationality is considered one who is of German descent (for this it is enough that one of the parents - the mother or father was German); to whom such confirming signs as German language, German upbringing, German culture were instilled by parents or other relatives; finally, the one who recognized himself as a German, in other words, for whom the nationality in the passport was written "German".
            Spaetaussiedler is German in the sense of Article 116 Abs. 1 Basic Law (Grundgesetz) Germany and acquires German citizenship.

            Usually, if someone wants to come from Germany or the United States for permanent residence, they check the option of repatriation, and in case of failure, go to emigration. Most of them emigrate, but this does not negate the fact that for some groups there is the possibility of repatriation. I hope the difference between coming to the country and seeking citizenship and getting citizenship and coming, I do not need to explain?

            Here is from your favorite wikipedia

            Unlike re-emigration, repatriation is the return to one’s homeland, but not necessarily directly one’s own, but one’s own ancestors.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 18 August 2013 16: 23
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              Quote: Rumata
              Repatriation, in the modern sense of the word, is the arrival of people entitled to citizenship,

              In Russian, this is called "EAR PULLING" This is what many "scientists" often do to justify their monetary expenses for the alleged work performed. I quoted the description of the term from Wikipedia so that there was no reason to talk about a modern and outdated interpretation. But Rumata also demonstrated his capabilities here. The term means ONLY what it means and I don't care what you are trying to pull there. Your paragraphs have nothing to do with the rules of the Russian language and in no way affect it (Russian). When will it reach you, everyone?
              Quote: Rumata
              Unlike re-emigration, repatriation is the return to one’s homeland, but not necessarily directly one’s own, but one’s own ancestors.

              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%E5%EF%E0%F2%F0%E8%E0%F6%E8%FF
              I do not need to palm off speculations from other Wikipedia articles. You, as you were immigrants, will remain so.
              By the way, why did Rumata personally take it as if his ancestors lived in Ancient Judea? It seems to be from Ashkenazi, who consider their roots from other places. As if from the Khazars, if I am not mistaken, and even further. Just don’t need me about DNA, here, too, falsification is not so difficult.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 17 August 2013 22: 40
      -1
      Quote: faraon
      In my opinion, Jews should have been allowed to live in Crimea
      And what, they were not given? In the legal field of the current legislation, no one posed any obstacles. But out of all attempts to declare a territory as the priority zone of a particular ethnic group in history, nothing good has happened ...
      In terms of
      Quote: faraon
      perhaps there wouldn’t be such an outflow of technical and creative intelligentsia from the union, which would greatly affect the national economy
      I did not meet something in the statistical reports of the colossal level of development of the same Birobidzhan. Although the climate there is excellent, and well-developed neighboring countries are not far. Yes, there are still a lot of Jews there (I had a friend from there who moved to Crimea a few years ago and talked a lot)
  21. faraon
    faraon 17 August 2013 17: 48
    +1
    Quote: Hedgehog
    Quote: faraon
    repatriates who came to Israel got into the country flowing with milk and honey. -You are mistaken

    I will leave the first part unanswered. For it is pointless.
    Reply to quote.
    Repatriation (from lat. Repatriate) - homecoming.
    The term is usually used in relation to prisoners of war, displaced persons, refugees, emigrants with the restoration of citizenship or return to the country of residence of the insured in the event of an insured event.

    It seems that you, my dear, were even banned in Google, I will not say anything about Yandex and Baida. The use of the term repatriation is not applicable to any immigrant to Israel, as can be seen from the wording of the term. Likewise, the use of the word "anti-Semite" is an incorrect formulation of the attitude towards Jews. Although it was invented in Germany.

    In principle, I agree with you, but the point is not that, but the fact that after the Second World War it was Israel that sent a huge surviving mass of the Jewish people and it is not entirely correct to apply the word repotriant to them.
    Well, the fact that the Holocaust took place that claimed 6000000 lives is by and large England to blame for, if she had opened up as the representative of the mandate of the Israeli gate, perhaps history would have gone differently.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 17 August 2013 18: 23
      +1
      Quote: faraon
      in that after the Second World War it was to Israel that the huge surviving mass of the Jewish people went

      This is understandable. For by end of world war 2 Israel was formed.
      Quote: faraon
      and it’s not quite right to apply the word repotriant to them.

      Term "repatriate" in general, probably, none of those who came to permanent residence (permanent residence) in Israel is not applicable. What was more than 1000 years ago is not applicable to modern immigrants.
      Quote: faraon
      killing 6000000 lives

      Well, here, guys, moderate the ardor. Well, say 4,5, I will not say anything. Silent and history. But so many victims did not exist! It seems that some of the victims counted at least twice the stakeholders. BUT here is not the topic to discuss.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 17 August 2013 20: 52
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      Quote: faraon
      6000000 lives

      A little addition. What is worse, 6 million Jews or 27 million killed Soviet citizens, among whom were Jews ???
      Although I am well aware that the death of even one person is very bad, especially if it happened when one tries to achieve his personal goal no matter what.
  22. faraon
    faraon 18 August 2013 01: 49
    +1
    Quote: Hedgehog
    Quote: faraon
    in that after the Second World War it was to Israel that the huge surviving mass of the Jewish people went

    This is understandable. For by end of world war 2 Israel was formed.
    Quote: faraon
    and it’s not quite right to apply the word repotriant to them.

    Term "repatriate" in general, probably, none of those who came to permanent residence (permanent residence) in Israel is not applicable. What was more than 1000 years ago is not applicable to modern immigrants.
    Quote: faraon
    killing 6000000 lives

    Well, here, guys, moderate the ardor. Well, say 4,5, I will not say anything. Silent and history. But so many victims did not exist! It seems that some of the victims counted at least twice the stakeholders. BUT here is not the topic to discuss.

    That's what about the Jews, you are mistaken go to the site YOUR POISON there, they will give you a calculation by name of who is with what number, and in which gas chamber is destroyed, and in addition who was the performer.
    P.S.without history, she does not like these things and she will not be silent.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 18 August 2013 09: 48
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      Quote: faraon
      P.S.without history, she does not like these things and she will not be silent.

      But Israeli propaganda jokes very tightly with history.
      Concerning the same "gas chambers". Not all of the victims died there. Therefore, if we count, then we will not get to the figure given by you soon. And for what reason do I have to believe all the calculations of YOUR POISON? If you want to believe, believe, and leave me the right to doubt. Moreover, what the state of Israel is doing is openly at odds with its words.
      And dear, you did not answer my addition! But read! Probably a very uncomfortable question. Israelis are always silent about this! That's why I doubt your veracity.
  23. michajlo
    michajlo 18 August 2013 02: 36
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    [quote = faraon] [quote = Hedgehog] [quote = wanderer] Golans were under Syrians less than seven under Israel, so the grandmother said in two. [/ quote]
    My dear, until 1948, Israel did not exist for many centuries, and so what?
    ... AS it has always been in the history of the Russian state [/ quote]
    Good evening dear "faraon"! Don't take my words as an insult or a challenge to battle. Just thinking overcame, p.
    But if you look at the state of Israel itself on the other hand. On the land of Palestine, it has existed since 1948/65, with neighbors - relations are not entirely fraternal.
    The influx of immigrants from around the world as a way to increase the Jewish population is probably hard to expect.
    In Muslim families, the number of children is larger than all other nations and the growth is stable so far.
    With all your ingenuity, talented people, the army, weapons, bargaining and negotiating finances like the Jewish diaspora from around the world and so trillions (in dollars) of financial bigwigs, what do you think will be the balance of power between Israel and its neighbors in 20-40 years old?
    Waiting in the middle of the 21st century, do you think Israel has a pink safe future or fog, or rather a sandstorm?
  24. Rumata
    Rumata 18 August 2013 02: 48
    +3
    Quote: michajlo
    What do you think will be the balance of power between Israel and its neighbors in 20-40 years?

    Even now, the population of the Muslim countries of BV, the population of Israel is 60 times larger, will be 70-80, what will it change? The economies of the countries, the quality and size of their armed forces, the motivation of soldiers, these factors are much more important. Handing out 300 million batons to everyone and letting them attack, it won’t work, 400 million batons in 20 years is the same.
  25. faraon
    faraon 18 August 2013 11: 29
    +1
    Quote: Hedgehog
    And dear, you did not answer my addition! But read! Probably a very uncomfortable question. Israelis are always silent about this! That's why I doubt your veracity.

    If it does not bother you to repeat your question (addition), maybe I misunderstood it, for me there are no uncomfortable questions and answers in history.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 18 August 2013 13: 42
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      Quote: faraon
      If it does not bother you, repeat your question (addition

      Please use a button "Reply"so as not to break the thread of the conversation.
      And at your urgent request, I copy my addendum:
      A little addition. What is worse, 6 million Jews or 27 million killed Soviet citizens, among whom were Jews ???
      Although I am well aware that the death of even one person is very bad, especially if it happened when one tries to achieve his personal goal no matter what.
      1. faraon
        faraon 18 August 2013 16: 47
        +2
        Both are very bad. Let’s say that the Jewish people were on the verge of their complete destruction. And if it were not for the victory of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War. Perhaps the history of the Jewish people went a different way. That’s the question of the Holocaust. Just Jews as a percentage of their mass suffered more than other nations. I think you will not deny it.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 18 August 2013 17: 28
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          Quote: faraon
          Jewish people stood on the verge of their complete destruction

          And let's call all things by their proper names. About complete destruction, this is an overt exaggeration. A very large number of Jewish people managed to leave for the USA, where an even larger population was waiting for them. But in general, yes, the destruction of the West European population of Jews could be expected. But this is definitely not worth arguing. Probably in the USSR there is a small people who suffered from the war no less. But this is not about that.
          Agree, Misha, sticking out your grief and forcibly demonstrating it to everyone is a bit indecent. Someone is happy to give birth to a child, but they are forcing him to a funeral. And the Holocaust itself could not appear out of nowhere. A considerable fault lies with the shoulders of WORLD Jewry.
          1. faraon
            faraon 19 August 2013 01: 08
            +2
            YOU are right about sticking out your grief, but at that time the circumstances were such that it was not the Jewish people who spoke about the Holocaust, but the whole world community after the war discussed this fact, and the propaganda of Hitler Germany spoke about the final solution of the Jewish question with all the ensuing consequences. what I think in this case, all things are called by their proper names. Yes, a certain amount has left for the USA and other countries that were not susceptible to the disease called brown plague. but this is only a small part.
            I in no way want to show that one Jewish people suffered, many people of different nationalities suffered. For some reason, the Jews turned out to be those "Abrams remembering their kinship", and not Russian Ivans who, to please the politicians and their ideological doctrines, have forgotten their ancestral roots. I wrote earlier in my comments that in Israel, at the YAD Va SHEM (hand of God) museum, there is a special archive that contains all the names of Jews who perished in the Second World War.
            As for the genocide of the Jews, this seems to me a controversial question. What could a simple tailor Jew be guilty of before Hitler. Or what I am to blame for you, only because I live in Israel. So I have good friends both among Israeli and Palestinian Arabs. (I’m washing my car in Autonomy, I buy tobacco in the same place, the Palestinians did the repair in my apartment. I was born in Ukraine, graduated from a military school in Russia, served in the Soviet army, finished military service in Russia, I have government awards from both the USSR and and from the Russian Federation. So what is my fault as a Jew, including about in school I went to serve with the Army on the recommendation of the command. (I suppose the Jews helped), but the crosses and tactical exercises the Jews did not do for me. And they didn’t send me back to the unit that was behind the Amu Darya. I was ordinary Soviet man. Like everyone else with all the pros and cons.
            Believe the common people on the drum who you are, he has enough other worries, And everything that is written in the press about Israel and the Palestinian Authority is all nonsense. You should not pay attention to it. The most interesting is that the newly formed Palestinian state receives huge funds through The UN, from sponsor countries including Russia, has not created elementary state institutions. It only stands with outstretched hand and asks everyone for help.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 19 August 2013 09: 49
              -1
              Misha, do not be offended, but I will be with you on "YOU". I suspect that you are at least 20 years older than you. And you can calmly address me the same way. After all, we are in the internet.
              Quote: faraon
              not the Jewish people spoke about the Holocaust, but the whole world community after the wars

              First, someone introduced the incident to this public and brought the word "Holocaust" into it. There is no such word anywhere! Output?
              Quote: faraon
              Just for some reason, the Jews turned out to be those "Abrams remembering their kinship"

              I highly recommend reading Stuart Kagan's book The Kremlin Wolf. He clearly demonstrates there who exactly led the revolution, who made it and who led the USSR. And who leads, he sets the rules of conduct for the whole people. Everything good was knocked out of the Russians. I suspect so.
              Quote: faraon
              As for the genocide of the Jews, it seems to me a controversial issue.

              But I don’t think so. Explain why, on whose instructions in Europe, laws were passed prohibiting the denial of the Holocaust, and people who criticize Jewry are imprisoned for trying to violate it. Moreover, the terms are much longer than for more serious misconduct.
              Explain to me why the inhabitants of Amsterdam, fortunately, not all without exception, do not respect, do not tolerate Jews, for example, working in a diamond processing enterprise? But they explain this reason and in principle they are right! I'm sure you know this reason. Explain why I communicate well with my good friend Dima, with you and can not stand the others present on this site. They are on my black list. And everything lies in the behavior !!!
              Quote: faraon
              The newly formed Palestinian state ...... has not created elementary state institutions.

              I will try. First, the Palestinian state, as such, does not yet exist. There is autonomy that you noticed in a timely manner. So they tried to formalize statehood and instantly the Israeli government, and with it the Israelis (part), stood on their hind legs. Israel is not beneficial for the Palestinians to form their own state. They will create a state, and institutions will be created. Do not bother them.
              That's all. I don’t like to write a lot of buccaffs, to read them for a long time. laughing
              1. faraon
                faraon 19 August 2013 13: 41
                +1
                Good morning Eugene!
                Everything is fine, let’s go to you. I think that this communication will benefit both of us.
                As for the Holocaust (I won’t write what this word means from the point of view of science). Let’s approach it differently. The policy of the Jewish genocide began long before the start of the Second World War. Hitler came to power. Germany was essentially the poorest country to lose In almost all the wars of that late 20th century, according to the Versailles and other treaties, she did not have the right to have her own army, very limited in her rights in the international arena. There was huge inflation in the country, unemployment went beyond all conceivable and not mental limits. That is, two with ovami Hitler went to the country in ruins as the economic and moral plane.S came to power, he gave the Germans the national ideyu.I began to revive the country. But how did he manage to do this? All the industrial potential belonged to a Jew (I’ll say in general terms and I hope you yourself know this is just such an excursion into history). Legally, he couldn’t nationalize it, it was not Soviet Russia, so you had to accept option B. It was necessary to find a scapegoat-Jews. This is not the titular nation, therefore, in the wake of the revival of the country and the unification of the people, a common enemy and exploiter was found in the Face of the Jews. With the tacit support of countries like England and the USA and the USSR, the redistribution of Jewish property began. Chale issued a decree prohibiting Jews from doing business (Doctors, lawyers, shopkeepers and others ...) then began, actively squeezing them out of public life, and subsequently from Germany. Against this background, Hitler gained immense popularity among the Germans. he conducted actions in his state similar to the Russian revolution (therefore, the idea was supported by the USSR since it was akin to the Bolshevik, thereby Germany acquired a reliable ally in the person of the USSR)
                Holocaust or genocide of the Jewish people, in principle, one word only in different languages
              2. faraon
                faraon 19 August 2013 14: 49
                +1
                I’ll definitely fill this gap and read the book. But in my opinion, it’s also impossible to assert and blame the Jews for all the crimes that occurred during the revolution and the civil war.
                Let’s look at this question differently. Jews in tsarist Russia were the most oppressed part of the population (Pale of Settlement, prohibition of property and means of production, pogroms and other restrictions) .And this mass poured into the streets of cities on a revolutionary wave. pogroms that occurred during the tsarist regime. And this mass began to avenge the scolded honor of mothers and sisters.
                In principle, the main theses of the Revolution were closest to Jews, they gave rights and freedoms. So, for the most part, Jews turned out to be leaders, then again the Bolsheviks relied on oppressed peoples, and Jews turned out to be a more educated and organized part of the population, that is, they were the performer and generator of those ideas as they were close in spirit to them in faith.
                Eugene, you write that everything good was knocked out of the Russians. Yes, you're right, but the question is who did it? do you really think that the Jews. Remember the Quiet Don Sholokhov. Yes, this work was consistent with the policies of that time, but it pretty accurately reflects the realities of the time when the brother stood up on his brother's son on his father
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 19 August 2013 15: 26
                  -1
                  Quote: faraon
                  Settlement, prohibition of property and means of production, pogroms and other restrictions

                  I didn’t live in those years, and my parents were young, I didn’t come across this, because I know this from third parties. Like you too. Along with the pogroms, that's all. Jews seem to have been present in Europe too. Jews were persecuted everywhere, from everywhere, and for many centuries. And not only in Russia. The question is, what was the reason? I suspect that this was not done out of boredom. Something similar happens occasionally with gypsies. Are there any parallels here?
                  Quote: faraon
                  Jews in Tsarist Russia were the most oppressed part of the population
                  Peasants in Russia were no less oppressed.
                  What is the lack of passports? And this is a complete lack of rights! Which began to be issued to them only when Nikita Khrushchev scolded Kagan, at the beginning of the second half of the 50s of the last century. Again an exaggeration.
                  Quote: faraon
                  Do you really think that the Jews.

                  I do not know how to count, and even more so to write. Joke! Here I state a fact. And let historians sort this fact out. Only not those who dance to the tune of the owner, but independent. BUT we have to wait a long time for this.
                  Quote: faraon
                  Remember Quiet Don Sholokhov

                  I remember, but I also remember that this work allegedly has a different author.

                  Summing up the conversation, I want to note that not everything happens just like that, from boredom, nothing to do, etc. As they say in Russia, just like that, a pimple on your ass does not pop up. If something happened, look for the reason! And she will certainly be found!
                  1. faraon
                    faraon 19 August 2013 21: 52
                    +1
                    Good evening Eugene!
                    He returned from work and immediately decided to continue the dialogue.
                    In my opinion, Jews and Gypsies are one people, although there is an opinion that Gypsies are immigrants from India, I will not argue, and condemn this people. As for Jews, it has been a persecuted people throughout history. Take the example of Spain. Inquisition, the baptism of the Jews and what was not in this story. The problem is that all this was authorized by the Christian church (the crucifixion of Christ the son of God sent to the people for the atonement) And this version still exists.
                    While in Israel, in the course of my work, I spoke with speakers of three religions, that is, theologians. As for Judaism, the Messiah must come, but this must be preceded by appropriate signs. for this there should have been a corresponding prerequisite. which was not.
                    Yes, Yeshua was a genius, possessed the gift of persuasion, a connoisseur of the Torah. But one thing, he did not come in order to atone for the sins of mankind, but in order to unite the Jewish people and raise him to fight Rome. For this, the image of the messiah was needed. Only in order to stir up the Jewish people, to raise their national identity. And the people were mired in fornication, usury, worship of other gods. I set up a bazaar from the temple, but I will not repeat all this in the Bible, so you yourself know. He was crucified. Jewish could not accept him people as the messiah, and then it became the state policy of states. Here, in my opinion, is the purely materialistic reason for the persecution of the Jewish people.
                  2. faraon
                    faraon 19 August 2013 22: 05
                    +1
                    Nobody claims that the Russian peasantry was oppressed, but be that as it may, before the revolution, the peasants had some kind of allotments of land. They allowed them to live with them and, at birth, still have more to sell in the markets, and the more successful and economic ones became merchants. .and entrepreneurs. The Jews didn’t have this, A piece of land was allocated on which they settled without the right to leave this line of life. The Jews had their own so-called elders who communicated with the outside world. That was essentially how it was. There were places where it was good and local nase Leningia was well treated and there were places where the local population did not accept the Jews very friendly.
                    As for the 50s of the last century, the whole Soviet people were unambiguously repressed regardless of their nationalities. Astrakhan hats flew both from generals and earflaps from the heads of workers. However, so-called Jewish collective farms were created on which the same variety descended as on all others agricultural enterprises
              3. faraon
                faraon 19 August 2013 15: 23
                +1
                You say that in Europe a law has been passed prohibiting the denial of the Holocaust, and the fact that failure to comply with this law entails criminal punishment.
                Jews are like a litmus test, like a red rag for a bull. It seems to me, as an example of one people (Jews), that they want to show that no one (the world community) will allow more such genocide against any other people or formation, and from here all the negative consequences that follow. Double standards in relation to one, The example of Syria of the UN condemns the aggression of the rebels but at the same time is silent and does not take any action against this aggression.
                Or a more recent example. Shelling of Israel by the state of Syria. That is, in fact, according to international laws, a declaration of war. And Israel’s retaliatory strike. What sovereign state or formation will allow shelling of its territory? And what consequences will it suffer. Israel told the UN that a retaliatory strike will follow (That is, he informed the international community about his actions), but the UN condemned Israel. This is a double standard of attitude of the world community.
                With regard to diamond processing. In Israel, not far from me there is a central office of a company engaged in the purchase and processing of diamonds. At the beginning of my life in Israel I worked there as a cutter. One can say all the enterprises created abroad by this company are called upon to provide work primarily to Jews, since all this is a family business. Well, you probably understand the Jews yourself, this is one family, and it is the duty of a Jew to help another Jew abroad. This is the first, second, not everyone can work in these enterprises because of their mentality, education, ability to work with highly accurate equipment.
                In a nutshell, you have a company, in order to reduce your expenses, you write out cheap labor from China, but not for main production but for auxiliary production with the corresponding wages.
                Here, in principle, in a nutshell about the situation and dislike of Amsterdam to Jews working in diamond processing enterprises.
                That is, the concept of Amsterdamians does not have social justice. But you must agree who has more advantages in a private Jewish enterprise, a Jew or Sudanese or a representative of another nation who has the citizenship of the country in which he lives. But from the presence of an Amsterdam residence permit he does not become an Amsterdamian, he still remains a native of country of origin .. Amsterdam is 80 percent composed of people from third world countries.
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 19 August 2013 15: 50
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                  Quote: faraon
                  the shelling of Israel by the state of Syria

                  I remember the bombing of Syria, but not about the shelling by Syria. By the way, where is the guarantee that these are not rebel bandits, They have mortars. There is no evidence that the Syrian army did this.
                  Quote: faraon
                  all enterprises created abroad by this company are called upon to provide jobs primarily to Jews

                  So you voiced one of the reasons for the hostility of peoples to all of you. At the same time, tell yourself what will happen if any company refuses to hire a Jew? I have already heard a lot how Soviet Jews complained about paragraph 5 of the questionnaire. But in fact a trifle. But after all! This is another reason for dislike of Jews. It turns out that you yourself know perfectly well. But the policy of double standards prevents you from perceiving and appreciating everything.
                  Quote: faraon
                  not everyone can work in these enterprises because of their mentality, education, ability to work with highly accurate equipment

                  They can, Misha, they can. But for such words you can, if you want, be blamed for racism!
                  Quote: faraon
                  Amsterdam is 80 percent composed of people from third world countries.

                  However, the Dutch are also denied employment. Fortunately, my interlocutors did not break there. They are always able to provide themselves with a workplace.
                  I say goodbye to this. I need to move.
                  1. faraon
                    faraon 19 August 2013 22: 16
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                    Yes, look at the thread here on the forum. In the morning this news was posted. But Jews do not need to prove it actually. In Syria there is a guarantor of the constitution in the person of Assad, he is the head of state and he does not set full responsibility, but that it was a provocation by militants or purposeful strike on Israeli territory, let President Assad understand.
                    As for the bombing, President Assad is informed throughout diplomatic channels. That any transfer of arms and weapons to the enemies of Israel will be punishably punished. So Assad had and has a choice. And he knows about it, but can do nothing.
                    1. Ezhaak
                      Ezhaak 20 August 2013 10: 30
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                      Quote: faraon
                      that it was a provocation by militants or a purposeful strike on Israeli territory, let President Assad understand.

                      The most beautiful move. I blame, and whoever did this, figure it out for yourself. When I do, I will not say anything. As if nothing had happened. So, Misha?
                  2. faraon
                    faraon 19 August 2013 22: 36
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                    So you voiced one of the reasons for the hostility of peoples to all of you. At the same time, tell yourself what will happen if any company refuses to hire a Jew? I have already heard a lot how Soviet Jews complained about paragraph 5 of the questionnaire. But in fact a trifle. But after all! This is another reason for dislike of Jews. It turns out that you yourself know perfectly well. But the policy of double standards prevents you from perceiving and appreciating everything.
                    No, this is not the reason, ethnic Dutch people work in Jewish enterprises, and they work well, getting decent salaries and social conditions. But they work. For many years. What are the current Dutch. They are representatives of the Third World who are not trying to assimilate and become the population of Holland, and no matter how blasphemous it sounds, they want to immediately get a big salary, but then they can go to social benefits (social benefits are determined by 75 percent of the salary) Europe is already groaning from these parasites, who don’t even try to naturalize If a leash requires raising the allowance for a living wage. So what does it have to do with double standards, an employer cannot give a high-skilled worker an unskilled worker, in return he begins to harm and collect work, which is harmful. So why do you need such a worker (if you know in advance how he will behave. And still come to Germany, Denmark, Switzerland, and ask who is walking along the boulevards, sitting in cafes and other places, and you will see for yourself, but for now I’ll just give statistics 10-15% tourists, 5-10% pensioners 3% people who can afford not to work, 70% of which are on your posobii.Vot and double standarty.Kto wants to work and zarobatyvat shall find a decent job who does not want one receives an allowance for subsistence minimu.Tak arranged the Western world.
                    1. Ezhaak
                      Ezhaak 20 August 2013 10: 38
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                      Quote: faraon
                      An employer cannot give an unskilled worker a high salary; in return, he begins to harm and collect work, which causes harm.

                      Well, what do you say? If the employer knows in advance how his new employee will behave, then this is similar to rejection for racial reasons. Any excuse will do just to not take a person. At one time, in the early 90's, I also refused to hire a Jew who had no idea about the application of Ohm's law. The simplest task.
              4. faraon
                faraon 19 August 2013 15: 47
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                Well, in the end, we got to the Palestinians. The question is not as cool as you wrote. The first thing you need to create a state of Palestine is to recognize the existence of Israel, which is not and is denied in all instances.
                Secondly, to begin the movement towards this is the creation of joint projects, cooperation in the system of security, medicine, education, if it has so historically developed that we have to live side by side and together, and not collect peaceful initiatives from Israel.
                What did Israel receive after signing the Oslo Accords another round of terror, After Barak’s proposals to Arafat in Egypt to transfer sovereignty as much as he wants and can keep Intifada with the same terror, evacuation of settlements from the Gaza Strip is a Hamastan, a terrorist formation is hostile, pursuing a policy of Wahhabism. Israel missiles. Now, judging by yourself, which state can be discussed.
                The second creation of the state of Palestine is the beginning of the third world war. Since the countries surrounding Israel have their plans for this territory. As soon as Egypt begins, it will immediately remember its claims to Erusalim, Syria about its claims to the entire north of Israel, up to Tel Aviv, Lebanon tolerating this will begin to fight with Syria. For this northern enclave, Jordan also has claims to Jerusalem.
                This is the situation, and now say it yourself, do you really admit that in the event of the defeat of Israel the above-mentioned countries will give permission to create an independent Palestinian state, definitely not. And the people of Palestine are a bargaining chip that everyone uses.
                You want an example in all the countries mentioned above, the Palestinians are outcasts without a clan and tribe, they have no citizenship, respectively, and are right. That is, this is cannon fodder in the upcoming conflicts.
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 20 August 2013 10: 58
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                  Quote: faraon
                  The first thing you need to create a state of Palestine is to recognize the existence of Israel

                  Usually I do not require references, but here please give me a reference to a document obliging the Palestinians to recognize Israel. On what basis does Israel require recognition to grant statehood to Palestine. What will happen there after the establishment of borders is the tenth case.
                  Quote: faraon
                  Constantly firing rockets into Israel. Now judge by yourself what kind of state we are talking about.

                  Question. Over the entire period of existence, how many rockets were fired? How many Israelis were they killed? How many Palestinians died from Israeli retaliation ??? And all this taking into account women, old people and children and on both sides.
                  Quote: faraon
                  As soon as Egypt begins, it immediately remembers its claims to Erusalim, Syria claims its claims to the entire north of Israel, up to Tel Aviv, Lebanon will not tolerate this and will start fighting with Syria.For this northern enclave, Jordan also has claims to Jerusalem.

                  I conclude with words from an advertisement for Ho.hland cheese. (site cuts out "Ho.hl" and leaves the "ande")
                  This is fantastic, son!
                  And another hint. Do not quote everything. After clicking on the "Reply" button, select a fragment of the post and press "Quote". The new quote will always be at the cursor location.
                  I say goodbye to this. Misha, watch Israeli television less at night, and moreover do not read newspapers in the toilet. All this shakes the psyche. drinks fellow hi
  26. faraon
    faraon 18 August 2013 11: 51
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    [quote = michajlo] [quote = faraon] [quote = Hedgehog] [quote = wanderer] the Golan were under the Syrians less than this under Israel, so the grandmother said in two. [/ quote]
    My dear, until 1948, Israel did not exist for many centuries, and so what?
    ... AS it has always been in the history of the Russian state [/ quote]
    Good evening dear "faraon"! Don't take my words as an insult or a challenge to battle. Just thinking overcame, p.
    But if you look at the state of Israel itself on the other hand. On the land of Palestine, it has existed since 1948/65, with neighbors - relations are not entirely fraternal.
    The influx of immigrants from around the world as a way to increase the Jewish population is probably hard to expect.
    In Muslim families, the number of children is larger than all other nations and the growth is stable so far.
    With all your ingenuity, talented people, the army, weapons, bargaining and negotiating finances like the Jewish diaspora from around the world and so trillions (in dollars) of financial bigwigs, what do you think will be the balance of power between Israel and its neighbors in 20-40 years old?
    Waiting in the middle of the 21st century, do you think Israel has a pink safe future or fog, or rather a sandstorm? [/ Quote]
    Good morning!
    Everything is normal. I perceive communication on the site as a dialogue between normal people who degenerate their opinions on the topic. This is the fifth convenient or not convenient thing.
    As for the state of Israel, it was recreated by decision of the UN with the support of the USSR, the USA, and England. But in fact it existed (the Jewish presence in Yerusalim and the district has existed for centuries and this is a historical fact)
    What you read in the press is not entirely accurate information. I will try to refute some of the arguments.
    In the state of Israel, the population is somewhere around 8.5 million people, of which approximately 2.5 million are the Arab population of Israel who has all the rights of Israeli citizens, the rest is autonomy, that is, foreigners, the autonomy lives by its own laws and rules. The standard of living compared to Israel is several orders of magnitude lower. In order for autonomy to exist, Israel gives permission to work in Israel, creates joint production projects, and collaborates in many state projects.
    Now notice when
  27. nevopros
    nevopros 18 August 2013 23: 04
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    It's really not fun to watch what is happening:


    A similar reform fits into the above scenario. I am such coincidences I doubt to call it an accident.
    1. faraon
      faraon 19 August 2013 01: 39
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      A very good overview showing why, for whom and for what purposes it is necessary to rock the entire Middle East and push it to World War 3.
      1. falcon
        falcon 19 August 2013 01: 51
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        Quote: faraon
        , for what, to whom and for what purposes it is necessary to rock the entire Middle East and push it to World War 3.

        Do you think there are forces in the world that need World War 3?
  28. faraon
    faraon 19 August 2013 02: 02
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    And, you don’t see it for yourself, watch a video in which N. Starikov on Peter. TV does a complete analysis of whom? For what purposes and who has its direct benefit from this. The review is very interesting and truthful. I recommend