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About the order number XXUMX

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About the order number XXUMX

16 August 1941 was issued the famous Supreme Command Command Order No. XXUMX. The Stavka order was signed by Chairman of the State Defense Committee Joseph Stalin, Deputy Chairman of the State Defense Committee Vyacheslav Molotov, Marshals of the Soviet Union Semyon Budyonny, Kliment Voroshilov, Semyon Timoshenko, Boris Shaposhnikov and Army General George Zhukov.


The order should have been read in all divisions of the USSR Armed Forces. According to him, commanders and political workers who, during a battle, disrupted their insignia, surrendered or became deserters, were considered malicious deserters and were shot dead on the spot, and their families were subject to arrest. Caught in the environment ordered to resist to the last opportunity, take care weapon, make your way to their own, and commanders or Red Army men who want to surrender - to destroy by all means. Families of such traitors should have been denied state benefits and assistance. The order obliged to demotivate up to the rank and file, or even shoot (if necessary) cowardly commanders and political workers. And in their place to nominate courageous and courageous people from junior commanding staff or even distinguished privates.

In general, taking into account the situation at the front — a period of severe defeats for the Red Army, the loss of vast territories, the approach of German troops to the most important centers of the Soviet Union — Leningrad, Moscow, Kiev — the order was justified. It should be noted that he was mainly directed against cowardly commanders and political workers, traitors who did not justify the title of Soviet officer, people who were responsible for their units.

However, for a number of reasons, this order is regularly accused of “excessive and unjustified cruelty”. Many people lack an understanding of the era and time when order No. 270 appeared. 22 June 1941, the most bloody and brutal war began stories of mankind - another Western horde under the leadership of the Third Reich began a war in order to seize the "living space" in the East. Western ideologists planned to destroy a large part of the Russian people (respectively, and all the peoples of the USSR), writing it into the group of "inferior", and turning the remnants into slaves. It was about the very existence of the many thousands of Russian civilization, and not about the next military conflict in Europe. At such a time, it was necessary to take all possible and impossible measures in order to survive and eventually win. We must not forget, as Westerners and liberals like, that the Soviet military-political leadership not only punished, but morally and financially (financially) supported the Soviet soldiers and workers. In particular, you can offer to familiarize yourself with the work of M. Kustov "The Price of Victory in Rubles".

The Soviet leadership took all measures to win. We love to focus on the "Stalinist repression." Although it is obvious that repression is a common tool of any state. Even if we take the modern “stronghold of democracy”, the “beacon of democratic freedoms” - the United States, they are the world leader in terms of the number of prisoners in their prisons, their number per capita, and do not hesitate to give several life sentences and apply various types of capital punishment.

In the war of extermination there was no place for "soft" orders. Once again I pay attention that the order most of all concerned command and political structure. Since you are a commander, you must be an example for the rank and file, bear a great responsibility. And cowardice, panic and weak-willed part of the commanders often led to the hardest consequences that other people had to clear up with their heroism. We must not forget that during the war, according to the data of the head of the Defense Ministry to perpetuate the memory of those killed in the defense of the Fatherland, Major General Alexander Kirilin, commanders often sabotaged the order No. 270 on prisoners of war. According to the order of the family of ordinary Red Army soldiers who were captured, they were deprived of state aid, benefits and allowances. However, the commanders recorded the prisoners as missing. As a result, according to official reports, for the entire Great Patriotic War in the USSR, out of more than 5 million missing, only about 100 thousand people were recorded as prisoners of war. In fact, there were about 4,5 million people, that is, the vast majority of the missing were captured. Obviously, the highest military-political leadership of the USSR was aware of this, but preferred to close its eyes. And Stalin, “a terrible tyrant and a bloodsucker”, knowing this, issued an order according to which they wrote in the burial notice “faithful to the oath, military duty and socialist homeland,” disappeared without a trace. This document was at the same time a certificate according to which the family of the “missing person” was supposed to pay an allowance.

One of the reasons that causes a wave of criticism regarding the order number 270 is the attitude of supporters of the "European choice" of Russia to the Stalin era. The personality of Stalin and the system of measures that was implemented in the years when he was the leader of the state causes a sharp irritation and rejection among the Westerners. Therefore, any event associated with the name of Stalin is criticized, often completely unfounded. Emotions prevail over common sense.

War is not the time for ostentatious humanism. In order to understand at least approximately what happened then, it is necessary to clearly understand - in those years, the question of the future of Russia and its peoples was decided. Stake in the war was the future of the peoples of Russian civilization. Order No. 270 was a manifestation of Higher Justice. The commanders and political worker at that time should have given all their strength for the victory of the Motherland, there was no forgiveness for treason and the manifestation of cowardice. This order reinforced the weak in spirit, giving them the opportunity to realize the full measure of responsibility for the fate of the Fatherland. It should also be noted that during the war only an insignificant number of Red Army soldiers fell under the scope of this order.

Often there is an accusation against Stalin and the Soviet leadership that after the issuance of order No. 270, every soldier who was captured allegedly became treated as a traitor. However, this accusation is difficult to consider serious. It is enough to carefully read the order itself, and not to listen to the inventions of various exposers of the "bloody regime of Stalin." The order is about deliberately surrendering and deserting from the battlefield. The difference between captured and surrendered is obvious.

From this accusation another thing also follows - Stalin is accused of the fact that “prisoners of war from German concentration camps fell into the Soviet”. However, the accusers again forget (or consciously close their eyes) the atmosphere of war - the traitors did exist, some sincerely hated the Soviet system, others went to cooperate with the enemy because of weakness, the desire to survive. There were saboteurs, agents of the enemy, the Soviet counterintelligence ate bread for good reason. In addition, it is not necessary to associate the order number 270 with the test, which was carried out in respect of prisoners. We should not forget about the norms of the Soviet Criminal Code and documents of a later period than the order of 16 August 1941 of the year.

Acquaintance with the documents shows that the statement that Stalin sent all the prisoners of war to the Gulag is just one of the “black myths” about the Great Patriotic War, with which gullible people began to be stuffed as early as the late Soviet Union. According to official data, more than 90% of all liberated, until the end of World War II, after a short inspection in special filtration camps under the supervision of the NKVD and military counterintelligence, returned safely to their former service, life. Some were recruited into the army, others were sent to rebuild the ruined national economy. And only a small part was subjected to one or another punishment. About 4% was sent to the penalty parts. To get into the penalty part did not mean inevitable death, as it is often shown to us in works of art. Most of them served their sentences safely and they were transferred to regular units. Approximately 4% was arrested, but even here not all were sent to the Gulag, many were sent to special settlements (such as a link). A part was already amnestied in honor of the Victory.

In general, the Stalinist regime was quite humane against traitors. If they had planted everyone who collaborated with the enemy, according to the westerners, there would not have been enough camps. After 1991, when anti-Soviet and Russophobic sentiments were openly encouraged in the republics of the Baltic States and Ukraine, a rather significant number of shortages erupted. By their existence, they completely refute the fact of the “bloody nature of the Stalinist regime” and the assertion that entering the Soviet camps was definitely a death sentence.

Application. Order No. 270 Rates of the Supreme High Command of the Red Army

16 1941 of August

Not only friends recognize, but our enemies are forced to admit that in our war of liberation against the German fascist invaders, the Red Army units, the vast majority of them, their commanders and commissars behave flawlessly, courageously, and sometimes directly heroically. Even those parts of our army that accidentally broke away from the army and were surrounded, retain the spirit of stamina and courage, do not surrender, try to inflict more harm to the enemy and leave the environment. It is known that separate parts of our army, once surrounded by the enemy, use every opportunity to defeat the enemy and escape from the environment.

Deputy Commander of the Western Front, Lieutenant General Boldin, being in the area of ​​the 10th Army near Bialystok, surrounded by Nazi troops, organized units from the remaining units of the Red Army that had fought behind enemy lines for 45 days and made their way to the main forces Western front. They destroyed the headquarters of two German regiments, 26 tanks1049 cars, vehicles and staff cars, 147 motorcycles, 5 artillery batteries, 4 mortars, 15 easel machine guns, 8 light machine guns, I plane at the airport and the warehouse of air bombs. Over a thousand German soldiers and officers were killed. On August 11, Lieutenant General Boldin hit the Germans from the rear, broke through the German front and, joining our forces, withdrew 1654 armed Red Army soldiers and commanders, 103 of them wounded.

The commissar of the 8 th mechanized corps, the brigade commissar Popel and the commander of 406 cn, Colonel Novikov, with a battle, took out armed men from 1778's environment. In stubborn battles with the Germans, the Novikov-Popel group passed 650 kilometers, inflicting huge losses on the enemy’s rear.

The commander of the 3 Army, Lieutenant-General Kuznetsov, and a member of the Military Council, Army Commissar 2 of the rank Biryukov, with the battles, removed the 498 armed forces and the commanders of the 3 Army from the environment and left the 108 and 64 rifle divisions from the environment.

All these and many other similar facts testify to the resilience of our troops, the high morale of our fighters, commanders and commissioners.

But we cannot hide the fact that lately there have been several shameful facts of surrender to the enemy. Some generals set a bad example for our troops.

The commander of the 28 Army, Lieutenant General Kachalov, being surrounded by the headquarters of the group of troops surrounded, showed cowardice and surrendered to the German fascists. The headquarters of the Kachalov group left the encirclement, made their way out of the encirclement of a part of the Kachalov group, and Lieutenant General Kachalov preferred to surrender, preferred to desert to the enemy.

Lieutenant-General Ponedelin, who commanded the 12 army, being surrounded by the enemy, had the full opportunity to get through to his own, as the vast majority of his army units did. But Ponedelin did not show the necessary perseverance and will to win, panicked, cowed and surrendered to the enemy, deserted to the enemy, thus committing a crime against the Motherland as a violator of the military oath.

The commander of the 13 Infantry Corps, Major General Kirillov, who was surrounded by Nazi troops, instead of fulfilling his duty to the Motherland, organizing the units entrusted to him for a steady rebuff to the enemy and leaving the environment, he deserted from the battlefield and surrendered to the enemy . As a result of this, parts of the 13 Infantry Corps were broken, and some of them surrendered without serious resistance.

It should be noted that with all the above facts of surrender to the enemy, members of the military councils of the armies, commanders, political workers, special separatists who were surrounded, showed unacceptable confusion, shameful cowardice and did not even try to prevent Kachalov, Ponedelin, Kirillov and others from surrendering to captivity to the enemy.

These shameful facts of the surrender to our sworn enemy show that in the ranks of the Red Army, steadfastly and selflessly defending their Soviet Homeland from the vile invaders, there are unstable, cowardly, cowardly elements, And these cowardly elements are not only among the Red Army men, but among the commanding staff. As you know, some commanders and political workers by their behavior at the front not only do not show the Red Army models of courage, resilience and love for the Motherland, but, on the contrary, hide in the cracks, tinker in the offices, do not see and do not observe the battlefield, at first serious difficulties in they pass the battle before the enemy, tear off insignia, deserting from the battlefield.

Is it possible to tolerate cowards in the ranks of the Red Army, deserting to the enemy and surrendering to prisoners, or such cowardly bosses who, at the first hitch on the front, tear off their insignia and defecate to the rear? No you can not! If you give free rein to these cowards and deserters, they will in a short time lay down our army and ruin our homeland. Cowards and deserters must be destroyed.

Is it possible to consider the commanders of battalions or regiments of such commanders who hide in the gaps during the battle, do not see the battlefield, do not observe the course of battle on the field and still imagine themselves as regimental and battalion commanders? No you can not! These are not commanders of regiments or battalions, but impostors. If you give free rein to such impostors, they will in a short time turn our army into a solid office. Such impostors must be immediately removed from their posts, reduced by posts, transferred to the rank-and-file, and, if necessary, shot on the spot, pushing brave and courageous people from the ranks of junior commanders or Red Army men to replace them.

I order:

1. Commanders and political workers who, during a battle, tear off insignia and deserting to the rear or surrender to the enemy, be considered malicious deserters, whose families are to be arrested as oaths and those who have betrayed their homeland deserters.

To oblige all senior commanders and commissioners to shoot on the spot such deserters from the commanders.

2. The units and subunits that were encircled by the enemy selflessly fight to the last opportunity, to protect the material part, as the eyeball of the eye, to break through to their backs of the enemy troops, defeating the fascist dogs.

To oblige each soldier, regardless of his official position, to demand from a higher commander, if part of him is surrounded, to fight to the last opportunity to get to his, and if such a chief or part of the Red Army instead of organizing resistance to the enemy would prefer to surrender - to destroy by all means, both land and air, and the families of surrendered Red Army soldiers to deprive of state benefits and assistance.

3. To oblige the commanders and commissars of divisions to immediately remove from posts the commanders of battalions and regiments hiding in the gaps during battle and who are afraid to direct the course of battle on the battlefield, reduce them ex officio as impostors, transfer them to private soldiers and, if necessary, shoot them on the spot, putting forward their place is courageous and courageous people from the junior commanders or from the ranks of distinguished Red Army men.

The order to read in all companies, squadrons, batteries, squadrons, teams and headquarters.

The rate of the Supreme Main Command of the Red Army:

J. Stalin

Deputy Chairman of the State Defense Committee

V.Molotov

Marshal of the Soviet Union S. Budyonny

Marshal of the Soviet Union K. Voroshilov

Marshal of the Soviet Union S. Timoshenko
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  1. Ruslandeth
    Ruslandeth 16 August 2013 08: 29 New
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    Stalin lived, is alive and will live. As if all liberals and "disadvantages" would not want this. Leave the excesses "on the ground", remember all the good, take a look around - everywhere you will find something for which you can thank and remember.
    1. afire
      afire 16 August 2013 09: 43 New
      22
      Now such an order for
      1) embezzlers
      2) sawmills
      3) who pigs on the street
      4) stupid bureaucrats doing nothing
      5) for wrecking
      6) again, for thieves
      7) once again, for the bribe takers
      8) again, for budget managers in their own way
      ... there would be a real list if, paragraph 100 would write relevant
      1. maxvik
        maxvik 16 August 2013 10: 06 New
        +4
        Quote: afire
        3) who pigs on the street


        + + + +
    2. RUSSIA 2013
      RUSSIA 2013 16 August 2013 10: 00 New
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      At that time, it was impossible not to do otherwise, Stalin was completely right to issue this order, cowardice in battle must be harshly suppressed, otherwise this will lead to more significant casualties, and the loss of positions.
      1. yak69
        yak69 16 August 2013 15: 13 New
        +7
        The article is very necessary! Exposing false libel to our Soviet Motherland and the socialist system requires considerable effort. And these efforts must be made constantly, acting consistently, painstakingly and persistently. Without the work of refuting lies, the consciousness of the younger generation will be hopelessly crippled. And then it will not be possible to wait for anything good in the future.
        We must use every opportunity to expose the lies and the substitution.
        Author +++
  2. user
    user 16 August 2013 09: 33 New
    20
    If Stalin was at least half the tyrant as it is represented by our media and the liberal public, then the Caucasus, Crimea, western Ukraine, the Baltic States would have a pronounced face of Russian nationality. There would be no national question there.
  3. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 16 August 2013 09: 35 New
    19
    How is it that the "bloody tyrant" Stalin forced to fight for his homeland? Was he not inspired by the example of the "valiant" French army "civilized" holding its hands up in front of the Germans? Although I understand his insidious vile plan, he did not want the "civilized" Germans to civilize "the Soviet people to the last man. And how did the land wear it at all?
  4. vitek1233
    vitek1233 16 August 2013 09: 43 New
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    This order was necessary.
    1. Committee
      Committee 16 August 2013 09: 55 New
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      In general, many orders at that time were dictated by extreme necessity, not only this, just our other “historians” forget about the seriousness of the situation in the summer of the 41st. And our 5th column is very fond of talking about the “bloodthirstiness” and “anti-humanity” of such laws.
  5. 6216390
    6216390 16 August 2013 10: 09 New
    +8
    commanders recorded prisoners as missing. As a result, according to official reports, during the entire Great Patriotic War in the USSR, out of more than 5 million missing persons, only about 100 thousand people were recorded as prisoners of war.

    Missing means that the fate of the serviceman is not known, he could die, the wounded to get to the hospital of another unit, the wounded to be taken prisoner, surrender, be surrounded and fight in the partisan detachment, die during an unsuccessful maneuver or a successful attack by the enemy. Therefore, it is natural that the commander who lost the soldier, having no information about his fate, wrote down him with the missing messages.
  6. omsbon
    omsbon 16 August 2013 10: 26 New
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    Lieutenant General Kachalov Vladimir Yakovlevich, died the death of the brave August 4, 1941. Rehabilitated.
    1. Modus
      Modus 16 August 2013 22: 34 New
      +1
      At the time of signing the order, this was not known.
  7. solomon
    solomon 16 August 2013 10: 52 New
    +9
    The final proof of the justification or unjustified actions of Stalin can be considered May 9th, 41st.
    A GREAT VICTORY!!!
    1. zaazua
      zaazua 16 August 2013 10: 58 New
      +5
      May 9th, 41st ????????
      1. solomon
        solomon 16 August 2013 15: 05 New
        +4
        Of course, the 45th !!! hi
    2. bazilio
      bazilio 16 August 2013 11: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: solomon
      The final proof of the justification or unjustified actions of Stalin can be considered May 9th, 41st.
      A GREAT VICTORY!!!


      Recall the famous wisdom - winners are not judged.
      1. 7ydmco
        7ydmco 16 August 2013 22: 26 New
        +1
        And there’s nothing to judge.
  8. K.Shimada
    K.Shimada 16 August 2013 11: 01 New
    10
    How else could shake the demoralized commanders and the Red Army?
    Well then they could not send to the units of psychoanalysts wassat
  9. alone
    alone 16 August 2013 11: 05 New
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    The commander of the 28 Army, Lieutenant General Kachalov, being surrounded by the headquarters of the group of troops surrounded, showed cowardice and surrendered to the German fascists. The headquarters of the Kachalov group left the encirclement, made their way out of the encirclement of a part of the Kachalov group, and Lieutenant General Kachalov preferred to surrender, preferred to desert to the enemy.


    General Kachalov did not surrender. he died during an attempt to break through the surrounded parts in the Smolensk region. He was devoted to his homeland to the end. Eternal memory !!
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 16 August 2013 11: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: lonely
      General Kachalov did not surrender. he died during an attempt to break through the surrounded parts in the Smolensk region. He was devoted to his homeland to the end. Eternal memory !!
      Zhukov G.G. "Memoirs and Reflections" T.2. M.1983. S.56. In these battles, the commander of the group, General V.Ya. Kachalov, died the death of a hero. Kirillov Nikolay Kuzmich, Ponedelin Pavel Grigoryevich-rehabilitated in 1956. Eternal memory to HEROES.
  10. RoTTor
    RoTTor 16 August 2013 11: 13 New
    +9
    Absolutely correct and reasonable order. There is nothing to breed snot.
  11. Russ69
    Russ69 16 August 2013 11: 45 New
    +9
    All of Stalin’s accusations of cruelty during the war are nothing more than an excuse for cowardice both of the geyropets and our liberals.
  12. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 16 August 2013 11: 51 New
    +2
    It is strange that someone minusanul, well, yes, in the family, as you know ...
    As to the point, how this order, as well as the even more famous "Not a step back!" and others are, FOR THIS MOMENT, right, almost on time (imho would be a little early). Each event should be considered exclusively in the context of the historical moment when this event occurred.
  13. bulanash
    bulanash 16 August 2013 11: 52 New
    +3
    Generals Ponedelin and Kirillov were declared malicious deserters and traitors to the motherland. October 13, 1941 in absentia sentenced to death.
    Captured generals were held in German concentration camps. It is known that, being in captivity, the generals behaved with dignity, did not cooperate with the Germans, despite the promises and the decisions they knew they made in relation to them in the USSR.
    On April 29, 1945, they were liberated by American troops. Ponedelin was offered service in the US Army, but he refused. On May 3, they were handed over to the Soviet side.

    A few months after the liberation, the generals lived freely, but on December 30, 1945 were arrested. On August 25, 1950, they were convicted by the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR under the article “treason to the military personnel”, sentenced to capital punishment and executed on the same day. They were rehabilitated by the same Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR in 1956 for the lack of corpus delicti in their actions.
    1. 7ydmco
      7ydmco 16 August 2013 22: 34 New
      +1
      Not all the generals captured were waiting for such a fate, I think this is not casual. And the commander of this level should not be surrendered.
  14. Obie
    Obie 16 August 2013 12: 52 New
    -17
    Comrades, the problem is not in this order, but WHY it was issued - the head of the country, together with his "professional assistants-in-everything", left over 2 million completely combat-ready soldiers and officers surrounded by the first 1,5 months of the war ( of which, by the way, no more than 5% returned to their homeland). Instead of a systematic retreat in order to disperse the enemy’s troops deep into the front lines and get time to prepare a defensive line, the headquarters ordered them to remain in their original positions and thereby surrendered entire armies to the enemy, who skillfully broke through the flanks and surrounded them. This situation allowed the Germans not only not to lose the war half a year after it began, but also to advance deep into our homeland and continue the offensive. And of course Comrade Stalin did not think up anything better than to issue order No. 270. But I am even more proud of our people - because when on the one hand there were Germans, and on the other - mediocre, not penniless life for their own people, leadership - he managed to find strength and defended our homeland with you!
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 16 August 2013 14: 21 New
      +7
      Learn history and military affairs. And then say nonsense.
      It is impossible to systematically retreat at a time when tank wings are breaking through the front. It turns into a flight. When you, retreating to the east, you see German tanks in front of you with mechanized artillery and motorized infantry, which went to your rear and deprived you of supplies, this does not contribute to the systematic withdrawal. Rather, it contributes to panic and loss of control over units and formations. The only chance is just to counterattack them. This is exactly what they were doing. Moreover, I note, quite successfully. Already by August, the Germans were stopped on the site of the NWF and SWF. And they were forced to take an operational pause in the center, where they dealt the main blow to ensure a further offensive. And this was objectively the limit of the capabilities of any modern army at that time against the Wehrmacht. Which objectively was at that time the best and, one might say, perfect army.
    2. bulanash
      bulanash 22 August 2013 12: 27 New
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      Quote:
      But I cannot agree with the thesis that the people won the war, and that’s why. There were times when Stalin was not, but the people of Russia have always been. However, in the 50s of the century before last, not only was the war against the whole lousy Europe, but even the Anglo-French landing in the Crimea, this people could not throw into the sea. The Russian people surrendered, agreeing to surrender territory to Turkey and drown their Black Sea fleet. And at the beginning of the last century, this people could not defeat little Japan and gave it the Kuril Islands and half of Sakhalin, and, especially offensively, Japan in that war lost significantly more soldiers than the Russian people, nevertheless, it was the Russian people who requested mercy . And in the First World War, just a year later, a million deserters fled from the Russian Army, although the Russian people were not only England, France and the United States, but even the same Japan as allies. And the Russian people miserably lost the First World War, giving the Germans huge territories and millions of prisoners. Then, the selected Russian people, composed of strong masters-fists and desperate Cossacks, led by the valiant nobility, overshadowed by the best priests, having 14 states in the allies, failed to win the war against some "Yids and village loafers with artisan drunk."

      end of quote.
      http://ymuhin.ru/?q=node/323

      war, of course, was won by the people — the Soviet people. but without the system created by Stalin, which made this people fight and work, nothing would have happened to our ancestors ...
  15. NOMAD
    NOMAD 16 August 2013 13: 18 New
    +8
    We are so attacked by this order! And that the Germans did not have detachments and similar orders? What did the Wehrmacht’s army not shoot cowards and deserters? Remember what orders Hitler issued in the Stalingrad cauldron for surrounded Germans! We somehow look at things from today! In order to understand, you need to plunge and try to understand that time, that situation! If this happens now, the behavior of people and authorities will be different! The elite, wen, and their children will be dumped abroad! But ordinary people will have to fight and defend! Because they do not have accounts and real estate abroad! And they have nothing to lose! Stalin sat in front-line Moscow, did not dump over the Urals and had the full moral right to issue such orders guiding the defense! And remember how the government of the same France, Poland! They just dumped over a hill! and naturally France and Poland were handed over in 2 weeks! The Germans just walked around these countries! But it didn’t work with the USSR! If people didn’t love their country, they hated power, would Stalin really resist the Nazis ??? !!!
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 16 August 2013 16: 40 New
      +3
      Exactly! good
      The thinking of the Western elite was just as rotten as it is today, but we "finally" caught up with them with the era of the collapse of the USSR.
      Imperatives were different then among our ancestors!
      For me, my grandfather is an example, he was at war, he was in prison, he worked as a prisoner in mines, until the last days he remained a communist, respected Stalin (and did not scold like Solzhenitsyn), but I will never become like him ...
    2. Alex
      Alex 9 February 2014 00: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: NOMAD
      And remember how the government of the same France, Poland! They just dumped over a hill! and naturally France and Poland were handed over for 2 weeks! The Germans just walked around these countries!
      And the king of Denmark even crumbled in praise to the German general (I don’t remember his last name), who commanded the troops occupying his country. But then he came up with a fairy tale about how he walked the streets of Copenhagen with the yellow star of David, expressing solidarity with the Jews. You can’t even call it a laugh, the pharisaism of pure water, multiplied by meanness.
  16. ImPerts
    ImPerts 16 August 2013 14: 29 New
    +6
    A lot here about mediocrity and failures in the manual. Blame Stalin or not. Who writes about contrary to this, let him answer: “Why didn’t the people who won the heavy war contrary to Stalin have been able to build a modern economy under the leadership of the Democrats in 25 years?”
  17. creak
    creak 16 August 2013 14: 38 New
    +1
    N. Popel mentioned in the order left interesting memoirs in which, in particular, he, being an active participant in the events, gives a description of one of the largest tank battles of the Second World War - in the triangle Lutsk - Dubno - Rivne in June 1941, which, on In my opinion, it has not yet been adequately reflected in military-historical literature. The fact that N. Popel was directly involved in the battles while in the tank in the battle formations of the troops entrusted to him adds value to the memoirs. Later, he was appointed a member of the Military Council of the 1st Tank Army under the command of M. Katukov and remained in this position until taking Berlin The first volume of the memoir is called: In a difficult time. ", And the second :: Tanks turned west."
  18. yan
    yan 16 August 2013 14: 45 New
    +1
    You can talk a lot about the necessity or unnecessity of guiding decisions. History does not know the subjunctive mood, if a series of processes led to victory, then they were true.
  19. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 16 August 2013 14: 51 New
    +3
    Well, to begin with, it was not Stalin who invented the barrage detachments, they were invented by Peter the Great, who in the battle with the Swedes at Lesnaya in 1. After a series of unsuccessful attacks on the Swedes, the Russian troops were demoralized and did not strive at all to advance, and then Anikita Repnin told the tsar to put Kalmyks behind the front lines so that they would drive the soldiers with peaks against the enemy. That's what they did, and after the battle, Peter returned the former rank to Repnin for a successful idea (earlier this general was demoted to soldiers for defeat at Golovchin). However, the French, who after the unsuccessful April 1708 offensive, put Senegalese gunners with machine guns behind their advancing troops, did not disdain the detachment, and the riot in the troops was crushed in the bud. Executions. Throughout the summer and fall of 1917, the French military field courts worked tirelessly and led the army to discipline and order. In 1917, General Brusilov also ordered firing on retreating machine guns. The Italians shot their generals who abandoned their troops after the defeat at Caporetto in 1916, read E. Hemmenguei, he has this colorfully described in Goodbye Weapons.
    And here is the activity of the Soviet barrage detachments, in a letter addressed in October 1941 to the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR L.P. Beria, Deputy Head of the Department of Special Departments of the NKVD of the USSR, Commissioner of State Security 3 ranks Solomon Milshtein:
    From the beginning of the war to October 10 this year (1941) 657364 servicemen who were behind their units and fled from the front were detained by special departments of the NKVD and barrage detachments of the NKVD for rear protection. Of the detainees, 25878 people were arrested, the remaining 632486 people were formed in part and again sent to the front.

    Among those arrested:

    spies - 1505;
    saboteurs - 308;
    traitors - 2621;
    cowards and alarmists - 2643;
    distributors of provocative rumors - 3987;
    others - 4371.
    In total - 25 878.

    According to the decisions of the special departments and the sentences of the military tribunals, 10201 people were shot. Of these, 3321 people were shot before the formation.

    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C7%E0%E3%F0%E0%E4%E8%F2%E5%EB%FC%ED%FB%E9_%EE%F2%F

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    And that the most offensive they all also fell into the number of innocent victims of the "Stalinist repressions", and Solzhenitsyn (a truly speaking surname) mourned them in his opus "Gulag Archipelago"
    It was not Stalin and Lenin who came up with concentration camps; they were first used by democratic Americans during their civil war, and the idea was equally developed by the no less democratic British during the Boer War, and then they were used during our Civil War (camp on Mudyug Island) . Yours faithfully! hi
    1. voliador
      voliador 16 August 2013 15: 21 New
      +3
      Caricature what you need! It was possible to add (both) to Adik even Bush - one field of the berry.
    2. SIT
      SIT 17 August 2013 13: 17 New
      -3
      Quote: smiths xnumx
      Among those arrested: spies - 1505; saboteurs - 308; traitors - 2621; cowards and alarmists - 2643; distributors of provocative rumors - 3987; others - 4371. In total - 25 878. According to the decisions of the special departments and the sentences of the military tribunals, 10201 people were shot. Of these, 3321 people were shot before the formation.

      Something the commissioner of the 3rd rank has trouble with arithmetic. The sum of all these categories is much less than 25 thousand. It is strange for Milshtein and especially Solomon. The category of "other 4371" is also interesting. There are more than even rumors. I wonder who are these others? And I would like to ask the commissar citizen what he was doing the first week of the war, when the German sabotage units, as well as the parachute assault forces, almost unhindered disrupted the communication of divisions and armies, as well as striking in the near rear of strategic targets.
  20. erased
    erased 16 August 2013 14: 51 New
    +5
    What gods to pray for Stalin and the Stalinist order to return to the present? So that the measure of success is the benefit that you have brought to the Homeland, and the returns that you receive from it. In Stalin's time, the labor of engineers, designers, workers was paid fairly and high! However, like the work of writers, artists, musicians. But scum, graffiti and grabbers got their way - 10-20 years of camps! And the oligarchs didn’t even smell!
    There was a homeland! And now we have ... however, this power has us. Stealing, selling, and killing ...
  21. voliador
    voliador 16 August 2013 15: 16 New
    +2
    The excesses were in love, and not small. But still, I agree with the author:War is not the time for ostentatious humanism.When the very existence of the state and the peoples inhabiting it is at stake, any measures are acceptable.
  22. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 16 August 2013 16: 22 New
    0
    Somehow, before entering a new uniform with a shoulder strap on the belly from the TV screen, it was said that it was thought up so that if captured, it would be easier to throw off your insignia! That's where the complete nonsense! How can anything be done in the army adjusted for captivity or defeat? Is this not an indicator of betrayal?
  23. yur20100
    yur20100 16 August 2013 17: 27 New
    +4
    Stalin man created a nuclear shield and lifted the country from ruins and let the Lebirasts burn in hell when they slander Stalin
  24. AvadraCedavra
    AvadraCedavra 16 August 2013 18: 23 New
    -11
    Stalin is a crazy tyrant, a man who committed the genocide of his own people. He is a criminal who committed atrocities more than Hitler. Order 270, an act of despair when the army was losing on all fronts, cost the lives of many thousands (if not millions) of innocent people.
    1. user
      user 16 August 2013 19: 45 New
      +1
      Yes, my friend!
      Have a bite!
      1. erased
        erased 16 August 2013 21: 37 New
        +1
        A snack doesn't help, it's a pathology! Brains on one side! Like conscience.
    2. kanevsvv
      kanevsvv 17 August 2013 15: 26 New
      0
      Order 270 is not an act of despair, but a tough order that made even potential cowards and scoundrels fight. And you, my friend, you must stop the liberal vysery quote.
    3. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 25 August 2013 17: 06 New
      0
      if Stalin is a crazy tyrant, then you are a silly jerk and you bastard.
  25. The centurion
    The centurion 16 August 2013 18: 25 New
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    Quote: smiths xnumx
    After a series of unsuccessful attacks on the Swedes, the Russian troops were demoralized and did not want to go forward at all, and then Anikit Repnin prompted the tsar to put Kalmyks behind the front lines so that the soldiers would spike at the enemy. So did

    The words L.N. Tolstoy, that nobles and Cossacks created Russian history and empire, the rest were present at this time, did not interfere at best. Kalmyks, by the way, is also a Cossack class. Maybe Tolstoy and exaggerated, but apparently not much, but this example is quite indicative.
  26. Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 16 August 2013 19: 28 New
    -1
    This is a correct and timely order. any command of any warring country must immediately publish this order. why how many broken around this order (in my opinion, necessary but not repressive) copies, only pissed liberties know. guys, let's not give the smelly liberties a chance. Guys, Saytovtsy, Libers were already in February 17. The best Liber of Russia, Mr. Comrade Kerensky Alex. Fedorovich. after it there was chaos and civil war, guys, Russians! do not allow chaos, outweigh the bastards liberals, or in any case, disavow these pigs
  27. cobalt
    cobalt 16 August 2013 20: 57 New
    +4
    By the nature of the service, I had to study the old archival affairs of the 30s about pests and "enemies of the people" and I can confidently say that a considerable part of them went to explore the Northern Territory for 5-10 years. Watching today's frank mess in the management of production and the national economy, I regret that they canceled the article for wrecking.
  28. Max otto
    Max otto 16 August 2013 21: 27 New
    +7
    No talking!
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 16 August 2013 21: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Max Otto
      No talking!


      Very colorful and significant drawing! good Maybe in the technique of execution of the blow, not everything is clear, considering the parties, but nevertheless it is very beautiful and very capacious !!! good
    2. Forward
      Forward 16 August 2014 18: 36 New
      0
      That’s how it would be for every fifth bastard! Personally. am
  29. Vlaleks48
    Vlaleks48 16 August 2013 21: 40 New
    +1
    Article and author PLUS !!!
    Official media spoke about the order 270 from a liberal position distorting the meaning of the order to please a bunch of bastards!
    They are in power today, and the future of our state, which is pretty bad for liberals, depends on how and what they teach the younger generation in schools!
  30. bublic82009
    bublic82009 17 August 2013 00: 05 New
    0
    compare the two leaders of Russia in 1914 and 1941. Nicholas 2, chewing snot, Stalin took tough steps that allowed the USSR to win the terrible war and receive dividends for his country. for this his West also hates.
  31. kanevsvv
    kanevsvv 17 August 2013 15: 19 New
    +2
    [quote = blacksmiths 1977] From the beginning of the war to October 10 this year (1941) 657364 servicemen who were behind their units and fled from the front were detained by special departments of the NKVD and barrage detachments of the NKVD for rear protection. Of the detainees, 25878 people were arrested, the remaining 632486 people were formed in part and again sent to the front.
    According to the decisions of the special departments and the sentences of the military tribunals, 10201 people were shot.

    From 100% of detainees 4% were arrested, 1,5% were shot. The rest are formed in combat units and directed to the front. And this is in the most difficult time! And if you count from the entire number of the Red Army? Hello to all liberals and pseudo-historians.
  32. Obie
    Obie 17 August 2013 20: 23 New
    -1
    Quote: yan
    You can talk a lot about the necessity or unnecessity of guiding decisions. History does not know the subjunctive mood, if a series of processes led to victory, then they were true.

    History led to the victory over the Nazis, but leaders led to a loss in the war, as the strength of our Russian people was exhausted and we could not catch up with the Amers and lost in the Cold War. And now we are reaping the fruits of that Bolshevik-Stalin regime so far - people believed in Stalin, believed in the USSR, trusted the authorities as they do today, and she - the government - throws us through the thigh as it was almost always. In general, my SUBJECTIVE opinion has been forming for many years and is undergoing changes until now, but in the main thing I decided - human life is the most valuable thing in the world and nothing can justify death if a person does not personally sacrifice himself for the sake of saving his neighbor.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 18 August 2013 14: 09 New
      +1
      The opinion of Stalin (like jackals near a dead lion) was formed by Khrushchev and others, who did not even grunt during the life of the leader. Personality cult report 100 percent false
    2. Max otto
      Max otto 19 August 2013 17: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Obie

      In general, my SUBJECTIVE opinion has been forming for many years and is undergoing changes until now, but in the main thing I decided - human life is the most valuable thing in the world and nothing can justify death if a person does not personally sacrifice himself for the sake of saving his neighbor.

      I do not agree, you are mistaken, like the whole "world community". Most important is the society in which a person lives, otherwise who needs one such valuable one? Such individualism leads to the collapse of society and the state, generates relations - who is stronger is right, shorter than the laws of the “wild west”. Each individual must value and protect the society that he considers his own, and even sacrifice his life for his sake, otherwise he will not be able to raise offspring and normally live old age. But for society as a whole, human life should be the most valuable, otherwise of whom will it consist? So it turns out that there will be nothing one without the other. I think so.
  33. Alex
    Alex 9 February 2014 01: 04 New
    +1
    To issue the necessary orders and seek their execution at any cost is not the right, but the duty of any leader. Otherwise, it will be what happened with Nikolai and Hitler.