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Weapons for bananas Why the quality of Russian weapons is reduced, and exports are growing

Every year the statistics fixes the growth of Russian sales. weapons, especially abroad. For example, in 2012, arms exports reached $ 13 billion, and international contracts reached $ 17,6 billion. But the main secret of Russian military exports is that this is far from always real money. And well, if for Tanks and fighters pay barter with beef or laptops. For some reason, responsible officials go to much stranger deals in which Russia's interests are not traced at all.

"MiGs" for figs

This has been the case since the Soviet times, when the USSR accounted for 40% of the world arms market. By the beginning of the restructuring, the country supplied arms to 20 billion dollars abroad, but real currency receipts amounted to 10% - this was officially recognized during the Yeltsin era. The Third World, on which the Union’s military exports were oriented, was used to this.

Yes, and why would he wean? In 1992–1994 64 Pacific warships fleet sold abroad at the price of scrap metal. The aircraft-carrying cruisers Novorossiysk and Minsk went to China for $ 9 million (a new aircraft carrier already cost a billion), along with the latest air defense systems, radar and navigation equipment. And even the documentation did not forget to attach! Where 72 T-90 tanks went, which officially drowned when crossing the Terek in the first Chechen campaign, is unknown. And the authorities to this day do not want to find out. So, there is a certain continuity that foreign observers must have noted. In Russia, miracles are possible if we distinguish between the interests of the state and the personal interests of an official.

For the post-Soviet 15 years, China has bought weapons from Russia for 20 billion dollars. There are Su-27 and Su-30, S-300PMU and Tor-M1 airplanes, Kilo submarines, tons of missiles and ammunition. The Celestial Empire received a license for a part of the weapons purchased and now quietly stamps it on its own enterprises. Russia in return found a stew, puff, toys, calculators and other consumer goods, which were yet to be transported, customs cleared and sold.
“From the point of view of the state, such transactions are unprofitable, and for the official this is the golden bottom, because a sea of ​​unrecorded cash is formed,” says economist Andrey Bliznets. - You can write off thousands of tons of chicken legs as spoiled. And this is in the nineties, when state control was almost zero! It was not for nothing that the authorities began to investigate something in the monopoly Rosvooruzheniye right before the elections, when cash was required. And so none of her bosses and not planted.

It is not surprising that the barter scheme moved to the new century: Malaysia, Ethiopia, Brazil, Vietnam, Thailand in 2000 – 2006. could only offer rice, coffee, chicken legs, etc. for Russian weapons In 2004, Indonesia paid for the military property with “palm oil and its components.” But Rosoboronexport (the successor to Rosvooruzheniye) improved the old approach. There are, for example, Syria - the largest buyer of domestic weapons, who never paid for it. By the middle of 2000, a debt of 15 billion was generated. And then President Bashar Asad suggested that Moscow write off old debts and issue loans for new purchases of Russian weapons. Rave? In the men's company for such arrogance and you can get in the face. Nevertheless, in 2005, Russia wrote off Syria’s weapon debts to almost 10 billion dollars and issued another 9,7 billion for new equipment purchases. A year later, the same topic took off with Algeria: they wrote off old debts for 4,7 billion and signed a new contract for the supply of T ‑ 90 tanks, Su-30 fighters, and the C1 armored missile systems, which appeared in the Russian army only in 2012 year It is likely that Iraq’s 10 billionth debt has been written off for new military supplies.

“Syria, Algeria, Iraq are oil-producing countries that have had a reputation as bona fide borrowers,” said political analyst Anna Rudaya. - China also pays cash to most weapons suppliers. Russia pays for military supplies in foreign currency, except the Gulf countries. But it’s too early to rejoice: the supply of our equipment to Iran in 2005 – 2007 caused economic sanctions from the US that hit the entire Russian economy.

Stayed with the Hunin

It would seem that everything should be the other way around: countries like Iran or Venezuela should seek the reciprocity of Rosoboronexport. First, Russian weapons are inexpensive. Secondly, who else will sell it to them? After all, cooperation in the military sphere with the United States, Britain or any other NATO country is ordered in principle to Iran. Until recently, the same was true of India, since the Americans supported Pakistan. Nevertheless, the example of the late Commander Hugo Chávez surpasses the wildest ideas of Russian selflessness.

From 2004 to 2011, Mr. Chavez visited Russia 9 once - and every time he was interested in weapons. As a prologue, 100 thousand Kalashnikov assault rifles went to Venezuela, and Russian experts set out to build two small arms factories. Then came the turn of the 24 Su-30MK, 45 Mi-17В-5, Mi-35М and Mi-26Т helicopters, 5 thous. SVD sniper rifles. Total for 2010 was accumulated on 6,6 billion dollars. And what about the calculations?

In the middle of 2006, the then CEO of Rosoboronexport said in an interview that "there is no barter in the payment." And Sergey Ladigin, the head of the regional department, confirmed that Chavez is paying for armament with “real money”. But by September, information had passed that the “scheme of unconventional calculations for a part of the supplied dual-use and military products” had been approved. It seems that in such a situation and barter is not so bad: after all, Venezuela is the largest oil producing country in the world. However, by December it turned out that barter was the drain on Russian 13 companies of thousands of sludge barns in eastern Venezuela. "Barns", in fact, are "dead lakes" of oil spilled around the fields. From the post-war times they were afraid to approach them - the expenses are mad. And then the Russians came with a proposal to clean everything up, and the profit received (!) To pay themselves for the weapons already delivered.

Of course, barns today in the same places. And Russian officials from 2007 are trumpeting that LUKOIL, TNK-BP, Rosneft, Surgutneftegaz and Gazpromneft have formed a consortium that will develop the richest oil fields in the Orinoco river basin. This is what a bright export of capital! Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin explained that the consortium is needed, because the oil is “heavy” and one company will not pull such expenses. The oil workers started talking that work in Venezuela does not promise any profits at all: the oil is sulphurous, its refining is expensive, and transportation in general is not very real. And if it were not for the Kremlin’s political reasons, they wouldn’t have a foot in South America. However, Sechin announced the readiness of the Russian side to invest 30 billion dollars in the development of the Junin-6 field. Only for the right to participate in this project immediately paid 1 billion "green". The representative of the state "Gazpromneft" Yuri Levin said that the Russians are going to invest in the social programs of Venezuela. And the Moscow Housing Fund entered the project “The Great Mission of Housing” to build residential buildings in Caracas with the money of taxpayers in the capital of Russia.

Cuban rake

The main question is when the hair has stood on end: is it possible out of ignorance? Is it possible with a pure heart to send money and the latest weapons abroad, knowing that they will never pay for it. Indeed, after the collapse of the Union, almost no “friendly country” returned a penny from those debts. And our government has written off everything and starts feeding them again. Why? Where is the logic here?

After all, the USSR had no greater friend than Fidel Castro. And no country of the social camp received more weapons, money, goods from Moscow than Cuba. But in 1992, Mr. Fidel said that he owed nothing to Russia, but on the contrary, she owed 30 billion to Cuba "for disrupting cooperation." I mean, after the collapse of the country, we stopped feeding Cubans. And Castro and Chavez were great friends. And where is the guarantee that the Kremlin will not step on the same rake in Venezuela today, where the nationalization of foreign property has long been in fashion? After all, the money of Gazprom and Rosneft, at least formally, belong to taxpayers.

Today, the cost of military contracts signed by Russia and Venezuela is estimated at 11 billion dollars. The “breakthrough” occurred when Caracas, to the delight of the Kremlin, recognized the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia: here both loans and new investments in the Venezuelan economy. Russian companies are already participating in five oil production projects, but in none of them have more than 40%. "Participate" - this means investing huge funds in the preparation for production. The media reported that on his deathbed, Chavez allegedly bequeathed to take care of contacts with the Chinese as the apple of his eye, but said nothing about Russia. By the way, the Chinese, in exchange for their loans, are already receiving Venezuelan oil, and the Russian consortium will start production not earlier than in 3 – 4 of the year.

It is reported that Venezuela does not lose interest in the most modern models of Russian weapons. So, no one would be surprised if the South American army gets them before the Russian. Or even in its place. After all, no one clutched his head when the Defense Ministry decided to donate 2008 MiG-10 fighters to Lebanon by removing them from combat duty in the Russian Air Force and upgrading it at their own expense. In 29, they decided to donate Mi-2010 helicopters instead of MiGs. Of course, this technique is no longer new, but the meaning of such operations for ordinary Russians is hardly understandable.

Plus the opacity of transactions. In 2010, a representative of Rosoboronexport denied selling the 12 MiG-29 to Sudan, but soon the fact of the deal was confirmed by the Minister of Defense of this African country. Today, MiG Corporation has current contracts for 90 – 100 fighters MiG-29. Over the past 20 years, the corporation has shipped 150 fighters abroad for 4 billion dollars. But in 2012, MiG's net loss amounted to more than 30 million dollars, and the total debt was recently estimated by some media in 1,7 billion!

How is this possible? Indeed, in 2009, MiG became one of the main recipients of anti-crisis assistance: The Ministry of Defense spent 900 million dollars on the purchase of 34 MiG-29 for the Russian Air Force. Another 1 billion contributed from the budget to the share capital. The corporation does not like to comment on the topic of debts, although their appearance was not without scandals. For example, 290 million dollars on new aircraft arrived from India in 1997, and disappeared in an unknown direction. The MiGs were not supplied under the contract, the Ministry of Finance was paying off with the Indians, who simply wrote off this debt hanging on the corporation.

From Irkut Corporation, which produces Su-30 fighters, 2005 left thousands of people in 5 (one third of the team), although by that time the order book for new “Drying” exceeded 5 billion dollars. High turnover and the "Sukhoi". Although with the 2008 of JSC “Company Sukhoi” received orders for 280 new fighter for 12,7 billion dollars, some of the specialists have salaries for 20 – 25 thousand rubles. (700 – 800 "green"). In Izhevsk gunsmiths, producing Kalashnikov assault rifles, even less.

“Shares of defense enterprises belong to the state, arms manufacturers are completely dependent on orders from above,” says economist Dmitry Telnov. - They do not apply what they get from barter deals for the sale of missiles and airplanes. That such barter is still relevant is evidenced by the fact that Rosoboronexport was recently allowed to sell goods received for weapons on world markets without being imported into Russia. An equally serious problem is that defense enterprises, depending on the unpredictable consequences of barter, cannot develop normally and conduct business. Accordingly, the quality of Russian weapons is falling. It turns out a vicious circle. By agreeing to barter, we deprive enterprises of funds for development, for new developments. As a result, we lose the competition. And our goods for real money are already very few people need.

For example, military-technical cooperation with China is steadily declining. Experts say that the army of the Middle Kingdom needs modern technologies, and Russia is not ready for this. And today we are talking only about the supply of spare parts and joint scientific research. Moreover, China has long become a competitor of Russia in the arms market ... with Russian technologies! In July 2010, "MiG" and "Sukhoi" realized themselves: they blocked the supply to partners aviation RD-93 engines, which are installed on Chinese FC-1 fighters, are direct competitors of the MiG-29. But it’s too late: the MiG costs $ 30 million, while the Chinese counterpart costs $ 10 million. And the Z-10 combat helicopter, first presented at the 2012 air show in Zhuhai, turned out to be a copy of the Russian project 941, developed in 1995, but never really implemented.

Algeria refused the party "MiGs" because of inadequate quality - they were quickly redeemed for the Russian Air Force. India returned the aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Gorshkov upgraded for it. But, losing ground in the global arms market, Russia wants at any price to maintain the same production volumes. Because the authorities do not know how to effectively modernize the old factories, but they are afraid to close the workshops and dismiss tens of thousands of people. But, if the crisis is long to hide, it turns into a default. And if at the same time the country is full of weapons, it will definitely shoot.

Geography of Russian weapons

Today, Rosoboronexport supplies dozens of weapons to 60 countries of the world. But the main export of five unchanged since the days of the USSR. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, not a single model of military equipment was created in the country, which would be actively sold abroad. For example, in 2010, the press did not mention a single contract for the export of Russian naval equipment or air defense systems.

SU-30 - the first production aircraft in the world with super-maneuverability. Since 1992 has produced more than 420 machines, the price in 2013 has been 83 million dollars. Su-30 is able to fight away from airfields: it has a system for refueling in the air, advanced navigation systems, a wide range of equipment for actions in the group.

MiG-29 - A fourth-generation multipurpose fighter. More than 600 aircraft were produced, the price does not exceed 30 million dollars. In the Russian Air Force only about 240 MiGs are left; they are not planned to be modernized. Today, the aircraft is purchased by third world countries due to low prices. And Germany, which received the 24 MiG-29 in inheritance from the GDR, transferred them to Poland back in 2004.

T-90 "Vladimir" - Russian main battle tank, in 2001 – 2010. was the best selling tank in the world. In 2011, the price of T-90 was about 4 million, but since that time its purchase for the Russian army has been discontinued. Not counting the production under license in other countries, in Nizhny Tagil produced at least 1335 T-90 in different variations. And in the Indian army there are more of them than in the Russian - 700 versus 500.
Mi-24 - a classic transport and combat helicopter, which became famous during the war in Afghanistan, where it was called “Glass” and “Crocodile”. Produced more than 3,5 thousand copies, which are used in the armed forces of 45 countries of the world. And even in the US Army there are 3 – 5 copies for combat training programs.

7,62-mm Kalashnikov assault rifle –The base model was adopted in the 1949 year. The most common small arms in the world: every fifth barrel on Earth is a Kalash. According to various estimates, everything in the world exists from 70 to 105 million copies of various modifications of Kalashnikovs. They are adopted in the armies of 55 countries of the world. There are about 20 countries where the Kalashnikovs are licensed, as many have launched large-scale production without permission, and small handicraft industries are not amenable to counting. In 2004, Rosoboronexport and designer Mikhail Kalashnikov accused the United States of supplying the ruling regimes of Afghanistan and Iraq with counterfeit copies of AKs produced in China and Eastern Europe.
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  1. Fox
    Fox 16 August 2013 07: 27
    upset the author ... seriously upset. Well, how should officials hate their country ?!
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 16 August 2013 07: 50
      Quote: Fox
      Well, how do officials need to hate their country ?!

      On the contrary, they love her for this, especially the people with whom you can do whatever you want, he suffers ...
    2. experienced
      experienced 16 August 2013 09: 17
      Our whole trouble is that officials from Rosoboronexport do not distinguish the state budget from their own pockets and do not bear any responsibility for the collection of money under the concluded agreements. If in the bank, some manager only reported for how much he issued consumer loans, and the money on them could not be collected due to the solvency of the debtors, then such an employee would, at best, go to jail, having previously got rid of the car and apartments, and at worst they would be buried somewhere after long torture.
      I don't give a damn what place Russia occupies in the sale of weapons and how many billions of contracts have been signed, but I am concerned that we are equipping other armies for the money of Russian taxpayers. In the days of the USSR, the Warsaw Pact countries were fed and supplied with gas and oil free of charge, and all those "who just got down from the tree" but who embarked on the path of socialist development, now we are distributing weapons, it is not clear on what principle. belay
    3. aktanir
      aktanir 16 August 2013 09: 24
      I read, damn it, and I see the smirk of all these degenerates in power. Like, what do you think, we are working here for a salary.
      The bad news is that everyone, young and old, is in power, businessmen. This is from the 90s and went, all are "entrepreneurs". There are only "interests" in the Kremlin and no national ideas, patriotism and other "nonsense". Start talking about these categories with the authorities on the sidelines seriously - they will laugh, twist their hand at their temples. All work on your own pocket. Well, to shut up the mouth of the cattle in the form of the people, some handouts from the oil table in the form of social benefits and so on. Putin and Medvedev, with his inadequate ideas, are always laughing and bored.
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 16 August 2013 13: 02
      Quote: Fox
      upset the author ... seriously upset. Well, how should officials hate their country ?!

      Not upset, but sickened. Another paper maraka. ... Everything is bad with us, let's all die ...
  2. vitek1233
    vitek1233 16 August 2013 07: 31
    An article of optimism does not add to the Author +
  3. Tersky
    Tersky 16 August 2013 07: 37
    To saturate with new weapons, you first of all need your own aircraft. The logic is simple and comparable to the Kresyansky farmstead where surplus goes on sale, provided that each member of the family is guaranteed to be provided with food until the next harvest. And here, I’ll give my wife to my uncle, and myself to ......
    1. Airman
      Airman 16 August 2013 09: 11
      Quote: Tersky
      To saturate with new weapons, you first of all need your own aircraft. The logic is simple and comparable to the Kresyansky farmstead where surplus goes on sale, provided that each member of the family is guaranteed to be provided with food until the next harvest. And here, I’ll give my wife to my uncle, and myself to ......

      Why go to .... himself to Vasilyeva in a 13-room "cell". Avarice darkens the eyes and behind the billions of green people the Motherland is no longer visible.
    2. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 16 August 2013 09: 20
      Quote: Tersky
      The logic is simple and comparable to the Kresyansky farmstead where surplus goes on sale, provided that each member of the family is guaranteed to be provided with food until the next harvest. And here, I’ll give my wife to my uncle, and myself to ......

      Certainly ... there is logic in your reasoning and it is competent ... but ... let's think about another - did the Soviet Union, surrounded by the capitalist countries, stand against NATO and the nuclear power of the AGR, England, France if we did not have allies? It’s hard to say for sure! And we had allies ... and a lot! Some of them are convinced that our social system is right ... and some just because they received a Bribe ... A POLITICAL Bribe in the form of arms supplies for their bananas!
      Indeed, since the mid-60s, when several real plans of nuclear strikes against the USSR were drawn up, the "American voting machine in the UN" began to falter ... and then completely began to make decisions in opposition to the US proposals ... This is what ... happened by chance? Is the situation in the 60s and 70s really different? from the present times of permanent wars and armed conflicts arising at the command of the Amer in those states, areas of the world where our influence was strong?
      So "bananas" are sometimes very useful too!
    3. Lomikus
      Lomikus 16 August 2013 14: 12
      In fact, Syria is now blown away for you and me, if you don’t help it now (albeit for free) then we will fight tomorrow, and not the author of this opus.
  4. treskoed
    treskoed 16 August 2013 07: 47
    For some reason, responsible officials go to much stranger deals in which Russia's interests are not traced at all.

    Because personal, selfish interests come first! Therefore, billionaires grow out of "effective managers" with the complete collapse of the assigned business!
  5. Per se.
    Per se. 16 August 2013 08: 14
    Weapons, that freebie for the new masters of life, which came from the Soviet Union. They crushed and sold the fleet for scrap for next to nothing, tanks, planes, equipment for non-ferrous metals, pushed trunks and ammunition, and then the warehouses burned ... The wild 90s passed, they began to centrally sell the latest developments, and not only the equipment itself, but also technology, just pay. India and China can now do much of what they previously bought from us, thanks to their generous technology transfer cooperation. Is it from our great intelligence and foresight? The quality is falling because the equipment is old, pensioners are leaving the defense industry, and before the training of new workers, foremen and designers, the traders had little to do. Here and now, all at once! Squeezing out the defense industry, like a lemon, temporary workers from trade for their selfish interests, and not for the people, the army and the country. All business with the trade in the latest weapons, and especially technology, should have a special status under the jurisdiction of the state, and not be given over to the dealers against the "buy and sell" defense, with one incentive - profit. If we built six frigates and, in fact, an aircraft carrier for the same India, and our fleet was "sucking its paw", this is a litmus of bargaining, attitudes towards our defense capability and the country's interests in general. Such, damn it, capitalism. All that remains is to believe the brave messages and hope for the best.
  6. Revolver
    Revolver 16 August 2013 08: 22
    There is, for example, Syria - the largest buyer of domestic weapons, which has never paid for it. By the mid-2000s, a debt of $ 15 billion was formed. And then President Bashar Asad suggested that Moscow write off old debts and issue loans for new purchases of Russian weapons. Rave? In a men's company, for such impudence, you can get in the face. Nevertheless, in 2005, Russia wrote off Syrian arms debts by almost $ 10 billion and issued another 9,7 billion for the purchase of new equipment.

    Under Soviet rule, interest-free and, as a rule, non-repayable loans were given for socialist, non-capitalist, anti-imperialist, and even some non-traditional orientations. At the same time, loan recipients often threw the Union, such as Egypt under Sadat, Albania, and by and large, China after the death of Stalin. And for what now? Maybe it would be better to invest these billions of greens, say, in the education of Russian children, or in their own health care? Yes, it’s even stupid to give it to Russian pensioners - they deserve more than the same Assad, who does not know whether he will remain in power, and if he does, will he have the money and, most importantly, the desire to repay debts?
  7. Konsmo
    Konsmo 16 August 2013 08: 30
    The author’s friend cringes a little. Venezuelan oil is not a pound of raisins. Yes, and other deals. It’s stupid to take barter without big discounts, it really goes 20-40 percent of the real price. Even if you later resell the product 75 of the real price. 25-30 percent more . to the cost of the aircraft for example.
    I don’t think that our businessmen are fools. For example, we bargain with the Chinese for how much oil and gas. I once dealt with the Chinese, they repaired office equipment in Moscow. They repaired it for 1 hour and traded 2, and the conversation was about a few tens of dollars. As a result, we did not lower a cent, and then they set the table with good vodka.
    They told me, Aswan platinum, the Egyptians built for oranges. A veteran worked with me at that time, he was in a representative office in Egypt. Contract delivery port of Odessa. 3 (three) kopeks a box of oranges. If you notice marriage in a batch. The whole batch goes at 0.5 kopeks per box. In retail at Moscow stores 2 the ruble was lying (hell was lying, swept away) I do not remember the price accurately, I was a prince in the 70s.
    If Egypt had not been written off, (this is a different story) our grandchildren would have eaten these oranges. Aswan then works.
    1. Airman
      Airman 16 August 2013 09: 03
      Quote: Konsmo

      I don’t think our merchants are fools. An example with the Chinese is how much we bargain for oil and gas.

      An example with the Chinese: we sell electricity to the Chinese at 1,5 rubles. per kWh, and its own on the Far East 3-4 rubles. (Now the tariffs are raised). That's right, you can rob your own.
      1. Konsmo
        Konsmo 16 August 2013 10: 04
        There is a wholesale price, but there is a retail one. Why don’t you buy a car of potatoes, the question is where to put it, although it’s cheap. So an excess of electric energy of 1.5 rubles is probably not bad if the cost is 10 kopecks. Otherwise, the turbines spin at idle without bringing anything. And then what then the naive question is they sell electricity directly from turbines to you? There are a lot of organizations that look for step-down transformers, wiring and automation networks, therefore they take money at the border, and the grass does not grow, and there (in China) there are enough of their eagles to wind.
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    2. Revolver
      Revolver 16 August 2013 18: 24
      Quote: Konsmo
      In retail, in Moscow stores, for 2 rubles each (hell was lying, swept away), I do not remember the price accurately, I was a prince in the 70s.

      In Leningrad, oranges went at 1,50 rubles / kg. It’s not that they were lying all the time, but you could buy it even without a pull. Only Egyptian was not, mostly Moroccan. And somehow it was the case, I noticed that the Moroccan rhombus is pasted on top of another half-torn sticker. Gently peeled off the steam - and there is something in Hebrew under the Moroccan sticker lol
  8. Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 16 August 2013 08: 33
    ....... the article is very "meaningful", probably written either by the executive secretary of Rosvooruzheniye, or by an official of the same rank, only such people can be trusted at their word because they have complete information ...... what do you say what the journalist wrote , with reference to other journalists, and those to "unnamed" sources. Yes, such statements must be trusted, because we have the most "honest and truthful" journalistic fraternity in the world, Russian journalists, the most journalistic journalists !!!!
    .... and if without irony, then it’s possible that some kind of fraud is going on, but such chaos is unlikely ..... nothing will fall asleep, they will reveal to Kalyma too ....
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 16 August 2013 10: 07
      Yeah. I agree. To extract palm oil. am
  9. ed65b
    ed65b 16 August 2013 08: 41
    The article is full of juggling and fitting facts to the opinion of the author. I somehow forgot that the United States has been distributing weapons for many billions of dollars a year to the same Israel. And it is not known how the rest of their contracts are paid. Saudis - oil, others loyalty. The sale of weapons is a link to service and spare parts. Much more money is earned from servicing, selling spare parts, upgrading. The world auto industry has long understood this, so the quality of new cars has fallen sharply, but the production of spare parts has increased significantly.
  10. Regis
    Regis 16 August 2013 08: 48
    I read to delirium about the oil barns that everyone is afraid of and abandoned. Delirium, he is delirium.
  11. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 16 August 2013 09: 02
    At the stage of "initial accumulation of CAPITAL" they steal and steal everything and everywhere. Remember not without the famous founder of the auto giant FORDA, who said that starting from the second million dollars, all the money is earned honestly! How was the first one earned? I haven’t yet met a single nouveau riche who talked about how he made his first millions. So there were "bananas" in the price in the first years of the construction of capitalism.
    SECOND - selling weapons for "bananas" is like a political bribe. You won't give money directly to the president of the state! And so, by supplying weapons, we tie this state in servicing (only for money!) ... to spare parts (again for money!) ... willingly or not, we bring this state into the orbit of our policy. These states become our ALLIES! And this is sometimes more expensive than money!
    Yes, and in the end, then ... we sell these bananas in our country ... we also make money!
    But for currency or gold ... it is, of course, better! No words! But when necessary - you can and for "BANANAS"! And sometimes it is so necessary that ...
  12. Jarserge
    Jarserge 16 August 2013 09: 07
    A rake of free supplies and forgiveness lie on the road since the time of Nikita Khrushchev .... The death penalty should be introduced for officials
  13. Wedmak
    Wedmak 16 August 2013 09: 20
    The author, if you take up the analysis of the supply of weapons and problems of their payment, then take all the facts, and not just one side - they say we put the weapon, but we did not pay. And whether they paid us something else, somehow the article is silent.
    Although, as for the 90's, when everyone was selling right and left - you can agree with that.
  14. donavi49
    donavi49 16 August 2013 09: 25
    Well, the author has slightly exaggerated, or rather wrote in one plane. For example, Indonesia, Algeria, Azerbaijan - they bought for dollars with 40% prepayment under the contract. At the same time, Azerbaijan ordered weapons for 4 billion living money. Algeria is even larger, but it is stretched for 10 years. Indonesia in the region of a billion.

    According to China, delirium, or rather I heard a ring, but I do not know where it is. China bought for stew and down jackets back in the 90's. Now they have a market relationship, do you want stew and down jackets? Buy it! Russian friends at a discount but for the currency! All contracts, in particular on the Su-30, submarines Kilo and 956 destroyers - 100% payment in dollars. Purchases of engines - 100% payment in dollars. Conducting R&D and design work by our institutes (the new PLA attack helicopter - Z-10 was designed by Kamov Design Bureau on special order from the People's Republic of China) - payment in dollars! There is no direct competition yet, because the PRC market is friendly Asia, where no one approaches, Pakistan where China builds factories and gives money and East Africa.

    About Vietnam - 636 boats, payment in dollars, mega contract for 3 billion dollars for payment in dollars, but part of the loan is attracted by our own banks. This is a world practice, the United States sells over 80% of weapons under its own credit. Moreover, the credit body is not 3 billion, but much less.

    Venezuela - on credit and oil, but here you need to understand that this is an investment in a friendly or loyal country on the other side of the world.

    Mega contract with Iraq - 100% payment in dollars, and that too 4 billion.

    In Syria, if you give them a turn from the gates, then and in the society howl will rise "THROWN SYRIA! SOLD US! UNDER COURT! !!!!" And in absolute numbers, these are small contracts. Syria does not have much money and without a war, now it lives exclusively on our, Chinese and Iranian loans.
  15. alone
    alone 16 August 2013 09: 30
    In mid-2006, the then general director of Rosoboronexport said in an interview that "there is no barter in payment." And the head of the regional department, Sergey Ladygin, confirmed that Chavez pays for armament with "real money." But already by September, information had passed that the "non-traditional settlement scheme for part of the supplied dual-use and military-purpose products" had been approved. It seems that barter is not so bad in such a situation: after all, Venezuela is the largest oil producing country in the world. However, by December it became clear that barter was the drainage of 13 thousand oil sludge barns by Russian companies in eastern Venezuela. “Barns”, in fact, are “dead lakes” of oil spilled around the fields. Since the post-war times they were afraid to approach them - the expenses are frantic. And then the Russians came with the proposal to clean everything out, and to pay the profit (!) Received by themselves for the already delivered weapons.

    I don’t believe that Venezuela doesn’t have the money to pay for the weapon. And though, I would have to check who agreed to this. What is the benefit of this barter?
  16. My address
    My address 16 August 2013 10: 10
    In power, of course, not geniuses. But not fools. Not just give and write off billions both externally and internally (for example, Algeria and Skolkovo with Rosnano). Not just do not require iron guarantees, but at least in the form of foreign real estate. Today there was a new discovery of theft on 700 million rubles a sweet couple Serdyukov and Vasilyeva. And in our production closed.

    Paraphrasing Mayakovsky - if thieves are not imprisoned, it means someone needs it.
  17. sop.ov
    sop.ov 16 August 2013 12: 02
    The Great Rasey Mother! Steal and steal! Once again we are convinced that Ukraine, that Russia has one field of sunflowers. Agronomists of only different sizes.
  18. Flooding
    Flooding 16 August 2013 12: 12
    Quote: article
    Where 72 T-90 tanks went, which officially drowned when crossing the Terek in the first Chechen campaign, is unknown.

    What is this story? Maybe someone enlighten?
  19. leon-iv
    leon-iv 16 August 2013 12: 15
    Norod you are a little bit more cholol.
    WEAPON TRADE is pure water POLICY. EVERYTHING and no need to pull the hedgehog on the globe.
  20. Flooding
    Flooding 16 August 2013 12: 46
    Quote: leon-iv
    Norod you are a little bit more cholol.
    WEAPON TRADE is pure water POLICY. EVERYTHING and no need to pull the hedgehog on the globe.

    Well, then tell me, what are the political benefits in the supply of heavy weapons to Azerbaijan?
  21. agbykov
    agbykov 16 August 2013 12: 55
    Not always cash profit is the main criterion. There are other types of profits. Especially in the field of arms supplies.
  22. Regis
    Regis 16 August 2013 13: 20
    Quote: Flood
    Quote: leon-iv
    Norod you are a little bit more cholol.
    WEAPON TRADE is pure water POLICY. EVERYTHING and no need to pull the hedgehog on the globe.

    Well, then tell me, what are the political benefits in the supply of heavy weapons to Azerbaijan?

    Sorry to get in) With Azerbaijan, everything is simple. This is a country that has money and is not an outcast. That is, if Russia refused to supply heavy weapons to Azerbaijan, any other country would supply it. (USA, Europe and even China) So Azerbaijan would still arm itself, only Russia would not have pummeled anything from this.
  23. Alrid
    Alrid 16 August 2013 17: 32
    Something from the article did not understand what quality and which weapon is declining?