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And the load is now there. NATO did not use transit through Ulyanovsk

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The transshipment center in Ulyanovsk, which Russia provided NATO a year ago to provide for “combined transit” of cargo from Afghanistan, turned out to be unclaimed. As Kommersant found out, so far the countries of the alliance have not signed a single contract with the Russian carriers authorized to service Ulyanovsk. Interlocutors of "Kommersant" at NATO headquarters complain that Russian companies inflate prices. A source in the government structures of the Russian Federation assured “Kommersant”: the alliance is simply afraid to be dependent on Moscow.


Launched exactly a year ago, the transit project through Ulyanovsk, Russia and NATO, were among the most successful examples of cooperation. Moscow hoped that a large proportion of more than 100 thousand containers and 60 thousand vehicles that the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) planned to take out from Afghanistan would be sent to Europe through Ulyanovsk. However, the route still remains unclaimed.

Sources of "b" at the headquarters of the Alliance explain: the point is the high cost of the route. “Opening the way through Ulyanovsk, the Russian authorities insisted that only Russian carriers should service it. And they were so overpriced that none of the ISAF member countries found this route attractive,” one of the Kommersant’s sources explained.

Meanwhile, it was NATO in 2011, who turned to Moscow with a request to consider the possibility of engaging the territory of the Russian Federation for the return transit from Afghanistan. On the eve of Pakistan, after another conflict with the United States completely closed its territory to the NATO convoys, while Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan refused to let cargo pass in the reverse direction. By that time, part of the route, known as the Northern Distribution Network, which now transits to Afghanistan more than 60% of non-military cargo of ISAF, has already passed through the territory of the Russian Federation - they are transported by air and by rail, but without transhipment.

At the beginning of 2012, the Russian Federation agreed to open a route for return transportation, proposing to use Vostochny Airport in Ulyanovsk. In August, the project was launched.

According to another source of “Kommersant” in NATO, many members of the ISAF immediately showed interest in transit through Ulyanovsk. In December 2012, the British made a test transfer of ten of their containers to the Camp Bastion base in Afghanistan and back. A source in the UK government told Kommersant that the test transit was deemed "successful."

However, the British did not sign any contracts. The Kommersant interlocutor in the British government explained: London prefers other routes, primarily through Pakistan and the Central Asian republics, which recently removed objections to the reversal of the transfer of NATO cargo. “The presence of several transit options allows you to make the relocation more flexible and guarantees the best price-quality ratio,” the source explained to Kommersant.

A Kommersant diplomatic source in one of the European countries participating in ISAF, who were interested in transit through Ulyanovsk, added: according to his government, transporting one container from Afghanistan via East will cost € 50 thousand, and through Uzbek Termez - € 30 thousand.

In Moscow, the situation is different. A source in the government of the Russian Federation explained to Kommersant that transit through Ulyanovsk was conceived primarily as a commercial project.

It was supposed to be implemented by the Volga-Dnepr air carrier and subsidiary structures of Russian Railways (according to Kommersant, Polet Airlines and the 224 flight team of the Russian Defense Ministry also took part in negotiations with the ISAF countries). The Kommersant interlocutor acknowledged that the two-stage transit through Ulyanovsk (to Vostochny by air, then along the rails) is more expensive than alternative routes, but he stressed: "It is faster and safer."

According to the Kommersant interlocutor, NATO did not use Ulyanovsk "for short-term considerations." “They feel sorry for paying the Russian Federation extra money,” the official said. “Moreover, they did not want to put eggs in one basket, the Northern Distribution Network. NATO fears that through the transit lever of the Russian Federation it will influence the alliance like Gazprom through gas leverage to Europe. It's all nonsense. "

Sources of Kommersant, which are close to commercial structures that should have been involved in transit through Ulyanovsk, give other reasons for the project’s slipping. According to the Kommersant interlocutor, NATO representatives insisted on transferring the rights of organizing the entire transit to a foreign company authorized by the alliance - its functions would be to enter into agreements with its direct participants. But, as explained by the source, "Kommersant", the proposal was rejected by the Russian Federation, including for reasons of national security. Another source told Kommersant that NATO representatives were simultaneously consulting with a number of Central Asian states, who, realizing that they could be out of work, removed objections to the return transit and offered lower prices than the Russian Federation.

Nevertheless, Moscow does not dramatize the situation with the lack of demand for transit through Ulyanovsk. Russia earns on alternative routes. Thus, a subsidiary of the Russian Railways Transcontainer OJSC transports cargoes of the ISAF European contingents (French, British and German) by rail from Hairaton station (Afghanistan) via the Galaba border crossing (Uzbekistan) to Riga, from where they are sent by sea to destination countries. According to Kommersant in Transcontainer, for six months of the current year, 52 TEU (container) was transported by this route.

Yes, and the Ulyanovsk authorities of the Russian Federation, despite the problems with NATO, predict a great future. "It will not work with these, it will come out with others," a source in government structures assured Kommersant. "We will still close the transit traffic. Ulyanovsk will be in demand - not NATO, but the UN or anyone else."

And the load is now there. NATO did not use transit through Ulyanovsk
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  1. experienced
    experienced 15 August 2013 12: 20 New
    43
    And what battles on the site were ... wassat Rubilovo wasn’t childish, accusations rained down, almost about treason to the Motherland ...
    Someone then came up with the idea of ​​how NATO troops seize the railway and move to Moscow, where they unite with the opposition and put a puppet in the Kremlin. Lord conspiracy theorists can "exhale." laughing
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn 15 August 2013 12: 28 New
      +3
      We need to be more calm about cooperation with NATO. Do not shout “Hurray!”, But do not yell “HALF!”. Since ancient times, the cost of transportation has been a significant part of the cost of cargo, so logistics has always been, since the Stone Age. Cost and safety are the main criteria for cargo transportation. A clean economy - and not .er politics to drag in.
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 15 August 2013 15: 24 New
        +5
        Uh! dear Russians? you couple, really?
        Why do you need to help them through Sinbirsk
        help to transport tons of drugs?
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 15 August 2013 16: 31 New
          +1
          So they take her to themselves, let them smoke and prick as much as they like.
      2. old man54
        old man54 16 August 2013 00: 45 New
        0
        Quote: zart_arn
        We need to be more calm about cooperation with NATO

        Oh well! fool
    2. Constantine
      Constantine 15 August 2013 12: 29 New
      +9
      Quote: seasoned
      then it came to an idea how NATO troops seize the railway and move to Moscow, where they unite with the opposition and put a puppet in the Kremlin.


      Some still think so wassat Now S_Mirnov will come here and declare the article a heresy and Putin propaganda. wassat
    3. Apollo
      Apollo 15 August 2013 12: 29 New
      +6
      quote Yes, and the Ulyanovsk authorities of the Russian Federation, despite problems with NATO, have a great future.

      NATO cargo transit through Ulyanovsk was unclaimed
      The transit center in Ulyanovsk, provided by Russia in 2012 for transporting NATO cargo from Afghanistan, turned out to be unclaimed. As Kommersant newspaper wrote on Thursday, August 15, over the past year, the alliance countries have not signed a single contract with Russian carriers.

      Sources of the publication at NATO headquarters said that Russian carriers, which, at the request of Moscow, were granted the exclusive right to serve transit through Ulyanovsk, are overpricing. Kommersant’s diplomatic source in one of the member countries of the International Security Assistance Force explained that transporting one container through Ulyanovsk airport would cost 50 thousand euros, while through Uzbekistan it would cost 30 thousand.

      At the same time, the source of the newspaper in the government of Russia named other reasons for the refusal of NATO to transit through Ulyanovsk. According to him, this transit, although more expensive, is faster and safer, but NATO “is sorry to pay the Russian Federation extra money,” and in addition, the alliance does not want to become dependent on Moscow, fearing that it will try to influence it with the help of “transit lever ".
      http://lenta.ru/news/2013/08/15/nato/
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 15 August 2013 12: 55 New
        11
        Quote: Apollon
        over the past year, the countries of the alliance have not signed a single contract with Russian carriers.

        so the reason is what, wink - ""NATO headquarters complain that Russian companies are overpricing.""Let them walk around the bazaar, look at the sale and get there .. laughing Apollo, hi !
      2. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 15 August 2013 16: 33 New
        +1
        Through Uzbekistan is not an option, the Uzbeks will shake out all the good and compactly repent in these containers, and Europe will once again face a new wave of guests.
    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 15 August 2013 13: 14 New
      0
      they still can’t, NATO just hid to mislead us laughing
    5. artemiy
      artemiy 15 August 2013 13: 25 New
      +9
      Frightened)) and then the answer is why!
    6. rolik
      rolik 15 August 2013 13: 52 New
      +7
      Quote: seasoned
      Someone then came up with the idea of ​​how NATO troops capture the railway and move to Moscow,

      Our businesses did NATO without straining)))))))
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 15 August 2013 19: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: rolik
        Our businesses did NATO without straining)))))))

        I was always embarrassed by who the "founding fathers" are? Who is lobbying this base?
        Here is the answer
        It had to be implemented by the Volga-Dnepr air carrier and subsidiaries of Russian Railways (according to Kommersant’s data, the Flight airlines and the 224th flight detachment of the Russian Defense Ministry also took part in negotiations with ISAF)

        It turns out to be government officials from Russian Railways and Moscow Region AS AS !!!
    7. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 13: 53 New
      +6
      S_mirnov AUUUU. Where did you say there is an American base, where did you say there are American soldiers. Maybe you can come in and comment on Putin’s betrayal of Russian interests.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 15 August 2013 14: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        S_mirnov AUUUU.

        Sasha, don’t bother, he’s in sorrow ..... crying
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 15 August 2013 14: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Tersky
          Sasha, don’t bother, he’s sad ....


          No) He focuses wassat
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 14: 54 New
            0
            Quote: Constantine
            Sasha, do not bother, he is in sorrow.

            Yes no, he is re-reading Lenin laughing
            Quote: Constantine
            He focuses

            Looking for proof of the existence of a base lol
          2. rolik
            rolik 16 August 2013 12: 39 New
            0
            Quote: Constantine
            No) He focuses

            This is understood as accumulating saliva ??))))
    8. Vadivak
      Vadivak 15 August 2013 15: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: seasoned
      Someone then came up with the idea of ​​how NATO troops capture the railway


      Here, they would definitely come kirdyk. From the point of view of the technological state, Russian railways in their current form are the railways of the XNUMXth century. And about our "autobahns" and say nothing
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 15 August 2013 17: 03 New
        +2
        We do not need them in Ulyanovsk from any economic point of view, nor from any other. It didn’t work out and it’s wonderful, the NATO members went to hell!
    9. ale-x
      ale-x 15 August 2013 21: 45 New
      0
      Fuuuuuuu .. Let go.)))
    10. Normal
      Normal 16 August 2013 00: 05 New
      0
      Quote: seasoned
      And what kind of battles were on the site ... Rubilovo was not childish, accusations rained down, almost a betrayal of the Motherland ...

      Quote: Constantine
      Now S_Mirnov will come here

      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      S_mirnov AUUUU. Where did you say there is an American base, where did you say there are American soldiers

      Well, I won’t say for S_mirnov, but the accusations of treason to my homeland were on my part. Met supported this initiative so much that I advised him not to hesitate when the comprador power flees from Russia to its capitals and daughters, otherwise they hang traitors.
      Honestly, I didn’t know then who I ran into. My opponent then asked (and this is still mildly said): "Well, where is the base, hamster? Where ?!" Hamil did not stay long and could calm down. Well, the affairs of the past days ...
      But even today I believe that cooperation with NATO is not good. Either we position ourselves as opponents of the methods and means used by the West, consider ourselves political and moral opponents of NATO policy, or cooperate with this bloc, the direction of which against Russia is not in doubt.

      But the matter, as can be seen, turned out to be much more trivial. Fad-mercantile turned out to be a businessman
      Quote: APASUS

      I was always embarrassed by who the "founding fathers" are? Who is lobbying this base?
      Here is the answer
      It had to be implemented by the Volga-Dnepr air carrier and subsidiaries of Russian Railways (according to Kommersant’s data, the Flight airlines and the 224th flight detachment of the Russian Defense Ministry also took part in negotiations with ISAF)
      It turns out to be government officials from Russian Railways and Moscow Region AS AS !!!
      ....
      Kommersant’s interlocutors at NATO headquarters complain that Russian companies are overpricing. A source in the government of the Russian Federation assured Kommersant: the alliance is simply afraid of being dependent on Moscow. ..... Sources of Kommersant at the headquarters of the alliance explain: the matter is the high cost of the route. "Opening the way through Ulyanovsk, the Russian authorities insisted that it was served only by Russian carriers. And they so high prices that none of the ISAF member countries found this route attractive," one of Kommersant’s interlocutors explained. ..... A source in the government of the Russian Federation explained to Kommersant that transit through Ulyanovsk was conceived primarily as a commercial project.

      In general, our commerce from the authorities wanted to bargain with the political authority of the Russian Federation, but the price was broken so high that NATO did not pull (they had a crisis there).
      But this does not justify our commercial power or domineering commerce. All the same, there must be something that is not for sale.
  2. Airman
    Airman 15 August 2013 12: 25 New
    +6
    This is the only case when the greed of our officials has been to our advantage, the people have been and are against this kind of cooperation.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 15 August 2013 13: 16 New
      +2
      in some matters, not emotions are important, but reason, hi, they are chopped up there for as long as possible with the Taliban, the more they remain there, the less they will come if that comes here.
    2. El13
      El13 15 August 2013 16: 54 New
      +4
      They did it right, why refuse, the client must be sent to ... in rubles with a smile on his face.
  3. Dilshat
    Dilshat 15 August 2013 12: 26 New
    +1
    This is not for you! This is for you there! As they say in the morning money, in the evening chairs.
    1. atesterev
      atesterev 15 August 2013 14: 40 New
      0
      He wanted to write the same thing ... First, sign a contract with all kinds of forfeits, etc., and only then create the infrastructure!
  4. avt
    avt 15 August 2013 12: 26 New
    +2
    Well, if it’s really like that they put the loot of universal people - well done good laughing Modestly and tastefully.
  5. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 15 August 2013 12: 31 New
    +3
    "Sources" Kommersant "at the headquarters of the alliance explain: the matter is the high cost of the route."

    So it’s in our blood ... A stranger to a thread to rob - aerobatics!
    But this time, the soul is especially good.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 15 August 2013 16: 36 New
      0
      I immediately recall the merchant Demidov, how he launched the British with metal around the world and taught the simple truth that a cup is the way to dinner, and a new day is new conditions.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 15 August 2013 19: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Samsebenum
      A stranger to a thread to rob - aerobatics!

      You earn a lot on me, and you will pay a lot to me. And my inhabitants will receive a small discount. My inhabitants!
  6. Scoun
    Scoun 15 August 2013 12: 36 New
    +1
    Sources of Kommersant at the headquarters of the alliance explain: the matter is the high cost of the route. "Opening the way through Ulyanovsk, Russian authorities insisted that it was served only by Russian carriers. And they so overpriced that none of the ISAF member countries found this route attractive ",- explained one of the interlocutors of Kommersant.

    lol ha ha ha ... the authorities of the Russian Federation have never once fired and deprived NATO of a huge amount of military equipment! which is now "allied" destroyed on the spot))) Lyapota))))
    1. Hon
      Hon 15 August 2013 12: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Scoun
      ha ha ha ... the authorities of the Russian Federation have never once fired and deprived NATO of a huge amount of military equipment! which is now "allied" destroyed on the spot))) Lyapota))))

      What is it deprived of? What technique? It was not planned to transport military equipment along this route. There are other routes, including via the Russian Federation only without transshipment.
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 15 August 2013 13: 42 New
        +1
        What is it deprived of?

        In preparation for the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, US command began to destroy several billion dollars worth of military equipment and sell it as scrap, reports The Washington Post.

        According to the publication, US Army personnel have already destroyed more than 77 thousand tons of military equipment and equipment in preparation for the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan. Among the disassembled military equipment are several hundred combat vehicles with protection against mines and ambushes. As stated by a representative of the US military mission in Afghanistan, any military equipment whose value exceeds $ 7 billionturned out to be unnecessary - transporting it back to the States is too expensive. Among other things transport equipment to the USA at public expense it will not be easy due to complex bureaucratic procedures.

        The Washington Post called the decision of military officials "unprecedented": instead of transferring equipment to Afghan security forces, which are expected to maintain peace after the Americans left or sell it to other countries, the US authorities decided to turn the weapons into scrap metal.

        Well, I wrote instead of equipment, equipment ... and? the essence of the issue does not change .. removal not cost-effective equipment lost .. expensive equipment ..
        Plus, the Russian Federation supported the presence of NATO in Afghanistan with all its might .. now does everyone need to remind everyone of this?
        Putin - NATO Alliance: Yankees, please stay in Afghanistan ...
        April 16, 2012 However, now, as Putin admitted, Russia’s presence in Afghanistan is beneficial.

        and at the time NATO was introduced into Afghanistan, the Russian Federation did not mind.
        1. Hon
          Hon 15 August 2013 14: 06 New
          0
          Quote: Scoun
          Well, I wrote instead of equipment, equipment ... and? the essence of the issue does not change .. removal is not cost-effective equipment is lost .. equipment is expensive ..
          Plus, the Russian Federation supported the presence of NATO in Afghanistan with all its might .. now does everyone need to remind everyone of this?

          I remember we set fire to the fields because the proceeds from the sale of the crop were lower than the cost of harvesting. If the equipment is cheaper to destroy than to export, it will be destroyed. And then the base in Ulyanovsk? There are other ways of transportation, the light did not converge on us like a wedge. And if NATO is very tight, then they may well create or buy a transport company on the territory of the Russian Federation, de jure it will be a Russian company, but they will be managed by NATO and they will establish the cost of services.
          1. explorer
            explorer 15 August 2013 15: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Hon
            de jure, it will be a Russian company, but it will be managed by NATO and they will set the cost of services.


            But what about our officials - They also want to eat? hi
            1. Hon
              Hon 15 August 2013 15: 33 New
              0
              Quote: explorer
              But what about our officials - They also want to eat?

              And what will they do if they are not allowed to eat? If the company will work according to the rules without breaking anything, officials will wipe off.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 16 August 2013 10: 25 New
                0
                Looks like you've never dealt with officials :).
      2. aviamed90
        aviamed90 15 August 2013 16: 59 New
        0
        Hon

        I agree with you.

        There are other options for transporting equipment.
        Even the picture clearly shows the route through Pakistan and further by sea.

        From myself on this topic I can add.

        Severely wounded Americans (and maybe, besides them, and something else) are transferred along the route Kabul - Turkmenistan (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan) - Saratov (or the Middle Volga region) - Germany (or the Baltic States) (and vice versa) with private Cessna Citation aircraft Encore "(on 8-10 passengers). The route changes all the time, but insignificantly - the general direction remains the same.
        Onboard the border and customs does not pass (because - transit), quickly refuel and leave.
        Over the past year has witnessed 6-7 "ambulance" flights.

        Once there was a curious case. Just a classic - like in the movie "Deja Vu" (Ukraine).
        The pilot tried from this side to pay with a plastic card for fuel (since there was no cash) naturally with bucks. But it was late at night. Well, he was sent to the airport! They stated directly to the mug that, they say, plastic, and especially the bucks - "not money"! And - "come on, rubles!" The pilot was in shock. Began to resent: such as "Airport" - International! So they must provide ATMs. And they explained to him that there are ATMs, but only ruble Sberbank. And they are in the terminal, which closes at night. And the cash desk does not accept cash. In short, come on!
        Muryzhili 3-4 hours. After all, he, a bastard, is silent who is lucky. Maybe a wounded man, maybe not. Only after a letter of guarantee from Moscow (they have a representative office of a carrier company there) was released.
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 15 August 2013 17: 25 New
          0
          Quote: aviamed90
          The route through Pakistan and further by sea is clearly shown.

          Pakistan resumes NATO military cargo transit to Afghanistan through its territory. Such an agreement was reached 7 months after the shelling by the Americans of the Pakistani checkpoint, which was the reason for the severance of relations. Given that the Pakistani route is the most advantageous for the United States, the previously planned transit of goods through Ulyanovsk is losing its logistical attractiveness. It is all the more interesting to observe how further negotiations regarding his fate will take shape.

          + The United States allocated them for the opening .... but seven months didn’t go anywhere ... they still had to deliver to the other circles ..
          True, a certain gratitude from the USA to Pakistan did not take long to wait. The day after Clinton’s statement, the United States unblocked a $ 1,1 billion aid package to Pakistan.

          In general, this attractive route costs them a pretty penny, and even before that, Karubov’s appeasement was swollen.
          1. Hon
            Hon 15 August 2013 17: 36 New
            0
            Well, why should they save? They suck the whole world. The budget of their army is greater than the total budgets of all the armies of the world. And how much bobla they spend on various PMCs.
            1. aviamed90
              aviamed90 15 August 2013 18: 22 New
              0
              Scoun

              And if there aren’t enough candy wrappers, they’ll even print it.
  7. Bort radist
    Bort radist 15 August 2013 12: 40 New
    +1
    And itches and wants.
  8. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 15 August 2013 12: 41 New
    0
    it’s not a pity to pay them money, but our perseverance on well-known issues pissed them off too! They don’t want to pay because zapadlo!
  9. svp67
    svp67 15 August 2013 12: 44 New
    0
    As Kommersant found out, so far the alliance countries have not signed a single contract with Russian carriers authorized to serve Ulyanovsk. Kommersant’s interlocutors at NATO headquarters complain that Russian companies are overpricing. A source in the government of the Russian Federation assured Kommersant: the alliance is simply afraid of being dependent on Moscow.
    They simply reserve "room for maneuver." in light of the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, it can still be changed ... In general, an interesting way to "boycott" ...
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  11. vadson
    vadson 15 August 2013 13: 03 New
    0
    Yes, the IM flag, who will guarantee that in these containers there will be no powder other than bioparas? And ours wanted to inspect them. Maybe this is the question?
  12. Arabist
    Arabist 15 August 2013 13: 03 New
    +1
    How much tantrum with this base was. NATO bases are already in the Russian Federation! Putin gave the whole country to the West and so on. I do not agree with the experienced, conspirators are not the people to calm down so easily. They are only dead calm.
  13. Asgard
    Asgard 15 August 2013 13: 10 New
    -5
    From any Airport in Afghanistan to Ulyanovsk somewhere 1800 km. The transshipment of goods there in containers is not economically justified. (transport worker flies on average -6 000 km)
    This notorious NATO base is needed for something else and larger ...
    Since the "puppeteers" of our rulers just do nothing.
    In the next branch I wrote, here such an idea came, and what if an Israeli rocket with a nuclear filling flies from the Persian Gulf region and explodes on the territory of the base in the hero city Ulyanovsk.....
    Since Gabala Radar Station destroyed Russia is not able to track where it was launched from.
    Here the Americans come to the rescue, they still have a global satellite constellation (Putin profiled everything, along with the Qabala)), since the attack was on NATO base, they blame Iran for this, Russia bombes Iran with nuclear strikes (we have Masons in our army)) ) ...
    Iran cover ....
    The Americans are white and fluffy, they say what the Nuclear Batons lead to, well, give all the charges to some global forces to maintain order on Earth (Global force for peace))) led by the MP (global government)) led by Begerman (winner of the Nobel Peace Prize)))


    Ulyanovsk Base is the perfect Option ...
    For nothing else, it is not needed ....
    1. experienced
      experienced 15 August 2013 13: 13 New
      10
      Quote: Asgard
      But what if an Israeli missile with a nuclear filling flies out of the Persian Gulf and explodes on the territory of the base in the hero city of Ulyanovsk ..... Since the Gabala radar station was destroyed, Russia is not able to track where the launch was made. Americans come to the rescue the global satellite constellation has survived (Putin has profiled everything, along with the Qabala)), since the strike was launched on the NATO base, they accuse Iran of this, Russia bombes Iran with nuclear strikes (in our army there are masons)) ...)

      If you laugh, then put emoticons, if you write seriously, then this is a "clinic" ... fool
      No one will immediately throw missiles at Iran, at the direction of the amers. Samples will be taken and it will be established which nuclear components were used and where they were mined and enriched. If this is Israel, it will show that it is mined in the USA ... Tie with myths, you can’t
      1. Manager
        Manager 15 August 2013 13: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: seasoned
        . Samples will be taken and it will be established which nuclear components were used and where they were mined and enriched.


        In fact, the launch of an enemy rocket will be fixed one way or another. That is the launch site. So this scenario doesn’t work either way.
        1. experienced
          experienced 15 August 2013 13: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Manager
          In fact, the launch of an enemy rocket will be fixed one way or another. That is the launch site. So this scenario doesn’t work either way.

          I apologize did not understand your comment correctly
          Quote: Manager
          I agree. Only for scenarios of such a plan. And you don’t need to hang noodles on your ears.

          The minus set there, offset the "+". I thought that you also support the Asgard script. Was wrong. hi It’s just that now it’s really possible to establish with great accuracy even a field where nuclear materials were extracted and it is ridiculous to assume that Russian air defense is blind and deaf without Gabala. Here, not preschoolers gathered to feed them with such "porridge" ... winked
      2. Asgard
        Asgard 15 August 2013 15: 55 New
        0
        Greetings, Alex!
        On September 11, 2001, three skyscrapers fell in 12 seconds (that is, free fall from 300 meters))), from two aircraft, and the metal beams of the power building crumbled into fine powder ....Phallic symbols of the power of America and the genius of engineering))))
        Samples were taken and cho?
        Something was installed there ????, It is still believed that ALUMINUM airplanes crashed THOUSAND_TONE METAL_LIC ???? THREE ???? skyscraper)))) Here it is - KL AND N AND K And ....
        and there are "smart" people (probably with a higher education)) and believe in IT ... Surely they did not read F.M.Dostoevsky and his immortal work "U D T" (I apologize "come from" me)))

        so do not make hasty conclusions, it characterizes you ... well, somehow it's not good ...
        Admit with the "clinic" you hurried ....?
        1. experienced
          experienced 15 August 2013 16: 05 New
          +4
          Quote: Asgard
          Greetings, Alex!

          Mutually hi
          Quote: Asgard
          On September 11, 2001, three skyscrapers fell in 12 seconds (that is, a free fall from 300 meters))), from two aircraft, and the metal beams of the power building crumbled into fine powder .... Were samples taken and what? Did they install something there ?? ??, It is still believed that ALUMINUM airplanes crashed THOUSAND_ TON METAL_ LIFE THREE skyscrapers))))

          You would give the Boston attack as an example ... wassat There they investigated those who organized all this and it is already well known to everyone why these "statements" were needed winked Romanov has a photo of the Pentagon after the plane allegedly got into it, contact him, you will see that there was no plane there ...
          If something “flies” to Russia from the Persian Gulf, they will take samples and establish what it came from, Russian specialists and there will be a truly independent and high-quality investigation. In addition, do not think that the launch will not be recorded ... Too much in space flies, a radar in Syria with our technicians, many Russian ships with good radars go through the water and radars in the territory of Russia block the zone not badly. So you can invent a lot, but secrecy can not be ensured here. Nobody will go now to unleash the 3rd MV, all HANA will immediately come hi

          Quote: Asgard
          Admit with the "clinic" you hurried ....?

          Sorry for being rude, here I was clearly wrong hi

    2. Manager
      Manager 15 August 2013 13: 15 New
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      Quote: Asgard
      For nothing else, it is not needed ....

      I agree. Only for scenarios of such a plan. And you don’t need to hang noodles on your ears.
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 15 August 2013 13: 19 New
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      Quote: Asgard
      From any Airport in Afghanistan to Ulyanovsk somewhere 1800 km

      Well, actually on the map from the border of Afghanistan to Ulyanovsk 2300 in a straight line
    4. Anti
      Anti 15 August 2013 21: 11 New
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      Quote: Asgard
      Since the Gabala radar station is destroyed, Russia is not able to track where it was launched from.


      [media = http: //www.1tv.ru/news/techno/234676]
      http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/234676

      June 7, RIA FederalPress. Vladimir Putin, President and Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Russia, heard a report on the combat alert of the Voronezh radar station, located in Armavir. This was reported by the press service of the head of state.

      On the eve of June 6, Vladimir Putin visited the central command post of the Russian Armed Forces. During the visit, the commander of the military and space defense forces, Major General Alexander Golovko, made a report. He reported that the personnel of the Voronezh radar station was ready for combat duty and asked for permission to transfer the object to the “combat operation” mode. After receiving permission, the general gave the order for satellite communications to the personnel and heard a report on putting the station on alert.
      A Voronezh-type radar station is located in the Kuban near Armavir and allows you to control the southern and south-western sectors.
      The range is eight thousand kilometers.
      The power of the station allows you to control near-Earth space.

      Source: http://fedpress.ru/news/polit_vlast/news_polit/1370578253-armavirskaya-rls-vstup

      ila-na-boevoe-dezhurstvo-pod-kontrolem-prezidenta

    5. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 16 August 2013 03: 16 New
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      James Bond need to look at night less.
  14. StrateG
    StrateG 15 August 2013 13: 18 New
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    The transshipment center in Ulyanovsk, which Russia provided NATO a year ago to provide "combined transit" of goods from Afghanistan, was unclaimed.


    All right. We are quiet, but smooth, planes do not fly, although the airport is in close proximity.
  15. taseka
    taseka 15 August 2013 13: 21 New
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    And the golden calf corrupts as before! - "A source in the government of the Russian Federation explained to Kommersant that transit through Ulyanovsk was conceived primarily as a commercial project."
  16. pa_nik
    pa_nik 15 August 2013 13: 49 New
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    Apparently, we are observing the Russian “wrapping” with the American approach of “business, nothing personal” laughing
  17. rugor
    rugor 15 August 2013 14: 12 New
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    The saddest thing in this story is not even the poor NATO members, but the fact that prices are really stupid and transportation costs no less for our aircraft and economy!
  18. KononAV
    KononAV 15 August 2013 14: 24 New
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    For what NATO fought for it and ran into it.
  19. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 15 August 2013 14: 28 New
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    We, as partners of AMER and other NATO countries, could not deny them the opportunity to use the short way home to Europe. Those. we received an offer that we could not refuse. Politically, everything is right! They just didn’t want their transport sides to fly ... you never know what other intelligence equipment they can instruct.
    Everything is also correct ... accounting for state interests has been observed!
    But knowing how the people of RUSSIA will react to this, we have already put forward our OFFERS ... TO WHICH OUR NEWLY APPOINTED PARTNERS COULD NOT AGREE. BUT this is already, ECONOMY! The market, so to speak ... for which they so advocate in the WEST! And the authorities cannot interfere in the economy, well, in any way! LEAD THE MARKET! We supposedly supported you politically ... and negotiate with other economic structures ourselves ... So they agree ... and it feels ... that they will agree for a long time .... Or is this not right !?
  20. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 15 August 2013 15: 05 New
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    Oh well! And do not remind these NATO gentlemen of the old Russian proverb: "avaricious pays twice." Not far off is the hour when these very thrifty ones crawl up to us with a request to help with transit, when the Afghans adultly engage in NATO troops (i.e. their withdrawal), and there may not be places (China will reserve for its needs). Business and nothing personal, then gentlemen. And to agree with the Taliban will be oh how difficult and expensive.
  21. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 15 August 2013 15: 06 New
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    No and not necessary.
    There was an attempt to withdraw the “partners” from Central Asia; it did not work out yet. The princes there, as in some other "fraternal" republics, prefer to try, like that gentle heifer, to suck at two heifers.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 15 August 2013 15: 15 New
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      I’ll add a clarification: “... they prefer to try, like that gentle heifer, to suck at two uncles!”
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 15 August 2013 15: 46 New
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        I cautious so to speak ... hi smile
        1. kartalovkolya
          kartalovkolya 15 August 2013 16: 40 New
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          Dear, I hope I did not offend you, but for them this is the "norm of life."
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 15 August 2013 17: 04 New
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            No thanks, it's alright. hi smile
  22. kush62
    kush62 15 August 2013 16: 53 New
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    The finest hour of the anti-Smyrn coalition. The company "Profucalipolymers" in this article has failed completely.
  23. shezar
    shezar 15 August 2013 17: 59 New
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    USA de facto recognized that HARP is a climate weapon http://jpgazeta.ru/izvinite/haarp-eto-vsye-taki-oruzhie/
  24. 128mgb
    128mgb 15 August 2013 18: 44 New
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    And the load is now there. NATO did not use transit through Ulyanovsk
    You at least do not write such headings, do not deprive the bread of Ukrainian nationalists. This is one of their main arguments for joining NATO.
  25. yurii p
    yurii p 15 August 2013 19: 56 New
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    it seems to me that everything is much simpler in NATO the same structure as in the former m.o. Serdyukov, it is better to feed your son of a bitch than strangers.