Will Russia get thousands of kilometers of the bottom of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk?

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The Sea of ​​Okhotsk is a pantry of valuable resources: oil, gas, valuable fish species, crabs. In 2001, Russia attempted to make a claim to the UN for the submarine part of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, outside the 200-mile economic zone. But the experts rejected the application: the scientific data on the affiliation of the shelf to the mainland margin of Russia turned out to be not convincing. Since then, Russia has conducted marine research, including seismic sounding of the bottom. The other day, a delegation flew from Moscow to New York to submit a new application to the UN at 16 in August. This is a section of the bottom of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk with an area of ​​56000 square kilometers, which is still considered “open” to the economic activities of any state.



As Alexander Gasyuk writes ("Russian newspaper"), the government delegation on Friday will formally submit to the UN an application for the continental shelf under the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. If successful 56000 square. km of the seabed in the spring of next year to become the territory of Russia.

Recently, Russian experts were able to prove to the Japanese (previously against the application of Moscow who objected) that they could not have legal grounds for claims. In addition, Russia has conducted a full cycle of new studies of the seabed, including seismic sounding, and now expects UN experts to agree that the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, up to the Kuril Ridge, will fall under Russian jurisdiction.

The application is submitted by the delegation led by Deputy Minister of Natural Resources Denis Khramov. Not only officials, but also specialists in the field of underwater geology, including former member of the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf Yuri Kazmin and Deputy Director of VNII Okeangeology Viktor Poselov flew to New York. Collected evidence must satisfy the UN Commission.

The article by Alexander Gasyuk also notes that the satisfaction of Russian claims may further play a positive role in the consideration of the RF renewed application for the Arctic Lomonosov and Mendeleev ranges. In the ill-fated 2001 year, the United Nations rejected the relevant application, requesting additional data to substantiate the seabed belonging under the Arctic Ocean to Russia. Since then, our scientists have conducted numerous Arctic studies.

Vlad Grinkevich ("Voice of Russia") recalls that the continental shelf of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk outside the 200-mile economic zone is now considered the “open sea”. Accordingly, any country can engage in fishing here.

Meanwhile, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk almost surrounds Russian territories on all sides: the mainland, the Kamchatka Peninsula, Sakhalin Island, the Kuril Islands. True, in the south the sea washes the Japanese island of Hokkaido. That is why the controversial site is considered to be generally available.

Associate Professor of the Russian Academy of National Economy and Public Administration under the President of the Russian Federation Peter Kaznacheev says:

“The Sea of ​​Okhotsk washes more than one state. If only Russia were around him, it would most likely fall into the internal waters. But since there is a section of Japan, it is necessary to prove that the internal territory of the sea is a continuation of the continental shelf. Otherwise, it cannot be made the exclusive economic territory of Russia. "


The fate of Russian offshore applications depends on two factors, Kaznacheev explains. Continuation of the continental shelf must be scientifically proven. The second factor is the work of diplomats.

However, the Japanese are no longer going to object to the consideration of the Russian application in the United Nations.

But, as Kaznacheev points out, the forecasts for the Arctic ridges of Lomonosov and Mendeleev were also optimistic, and it is still not clear to this day whether the waters will receive the status of the Russian continental shelf.

It should be noted in conclusion that, despite the economic “openness” of the sea, it is convenient to “use” it, not to mention Japan, namely Russia. And, if the Land of the Rising Sun really does not object, and the UN Commission recognizes the arguments of Russian experts convincing, Russia will have a chance to “grow” the continental shelf under the Sea of ​​Okhotsk with an area of ​​56 thousand square kilometers.

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    1. +6
      16 August 2013 08: 35
      Well, proving our rights will be very difficult! I feel at such a pace and it will come to military threats!
      1. +5
        16 August 2013 09: 22
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Well, proving our rights will be very difficult!

        How did you serve before Marshal ...
        1. +21
          16 August 2013 09: 53
          Quote: Denis
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          Well, proving our rights will be very difficult!

          How did you serve before Marshal ...


          And what did he write? Everything is right! On whose side is power, on that side is the law! There, the Chinese how many times they entered the disputed territories and everything got away with them because they were afraid. And what can we demonstrate there? Only recently there was an article that our fleet in this area is far from the strongest. Our best evidence for this territory is a strong army and navy! And then this UN can be sent to hell!
          And your statement about the marshal is not at all clear! Not everyone on the site is chasing another star, which in real life does not give anything.
          1. +5
            16 August 2013 16: 57
            And your statement about the marshal is not at all clear! Not everyone on the site is chasing another star, which in real life does not give anything.

            100% agree with you.
      2. +11
        16 August 2013 09: 46
        In addition, Russia conducted a full cycle of new seabed research, including seismic sensing, and now expects UN experts to agree that the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will fall under Russian jurisdiction up to the Kuril ridge.

        Unfortunately, we have to admit that the UN is no longer even ashamed to show that it has an owner (the United States) who can "push" anything there (Libya) and block anything. They will vote against in order to "annoy" Russia, too many of our "enemies" are represented there. No arguments help in such cases. If there is strength, then it is necessary to demonstrate it, but the forces are just not the ones to keep the fleet in the disputed part and "drive out" foreign ships and ships. hi
        True, in the south, the sea is washed by the Japanese island of Hokkaido. Therefore, the controversial site is considered publicly available.

        The Americans knew what they were doing when the atomic bombing was arranged, otherwise there would have been a Soviet entry into Hokkaido and much in the modern world would have been different recourse
        1. +3
          16 August 2013 10: 16
          Quote: seasoned
          Unfortunately, we have to admit that the UN is no longer even ashamed to show that it has an owner (the United States) who can "push" anything there (Libya) and block anything.


          Are you talking about the veto in the UN Security Council? Well, such questions do not apply to the Security Council. If my memory serves me right, such questions (territorial) are subordinate to the second and sixth UN committees. There is a slightly different mechanism, although in general it can be shoved here, but more complicated. Ultimately, only the Japanese can really put sticks in wheels on this issue.
          1. Don
            +2
            16 August 2013 11: 05
            Quote: bazilio
            Ultimately, only the Japanese can really put sticks in wheels on this issue.

            How so?
            1. +4
              16 August 2013 11: 54
              Quote: Don
              How so?


              The fact that their territory also borders on the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. And they will put sticks in wheels by sending their objections to the relevant UN committees or even an international court.
        2. +4
          16 August 2013 12: 27
          Unfortunately, we have to admit that the UN is no longer even shy to show that it has a host (USA)

          Now let's see how the organization’s budget is formed. The data is a bit old, but little has changed there.
          "This is a regular UN program budget, approved by the UN General Assembly every two years. It is formed from contributions of UN member states for a biennium in accordance with a scale determined by the UN Assembly on the recommendation of the Committee on Contributions. The main criterion on which the scale of assessments is based is the capacity of the member states to pay The UN budget is spent on the following items: general policy making, leadership and coordination, political action, international justice and law, international cooperation for development, regional cooperation for the development of human rights and humanitarian policy, public information, general administrative services, special expenses, capital expenditures, personnel taxation
          At its core, the distribution of costs is the principle of solvency of states. “The General Assembly reaffirms the fundamental principle that the expenses of the Organization are distributed among Member States in approximate accordance with their solvency,” the resolution says.
          With this approach, gross national product indicators for a period of 6 years and three years are taken into account. If the economy of a particular state is developing successfully, then the size of its contributions to the UN budget is growing.
          The UN General Assembly adopted a resolution on financing the organization’s budget for 2007-2009. $ 2 billion
          According to the document, the US contribution will remain unchanged at 22%, while Japan's participation will decrease from 19,5% to 16,6%. At the same time, the contribution of the Russian Federation will increase from 1,1% to 1,2%, reports (C) Associated Press. The rapid growth of the Chinese economy is associated with an increase in the country's share of participation from 2% to 2,7%.
          As for the EU countries, the share of Germany will slightly decrease - from 8,7% to 8,6%. At the same time, contributions from the UK and France will increase to 6,6% and 6,3%, respectively.
          Thus, the largest share in the financing of the UN budget for 2007-2009. will remain for the USA. Japan will take second place, followed by Germany, Britain and France.
          The UN budget is focused on financing various aspects of the organization's daily activities. It is reviewed every three years by the UN budget committee. "
          In this situation, counting on something will be more than strange.
          1. +1
            17 August 2013 14: 27
            Quote: ankh-andrej
            Thus, the largest share in the financing of the UN budget for 2007-2009. will remain for the USA.

            Yes, you're right, the United States pays the United Nations the most. But the US membership dues, it seems to me, are not a lever for lobbying the interests of the United States in the United Nations, since the USA MUST pay membership dues, otherwise the United States may exclude from the UN membership, which will be an extremely undesirable option for the United States, since permanent membership will be lost in the UN Security Council.
        3. +5
          16 August 2013 14: 00
          While we will go to New York with applications, we will not prove anything to anyone, and we will not receive anything. It is high time to "tie" with this Golden Horde.
      3. +13
        16 August 2013 10: 30
        To grow new territory to Russia is good! But to grow only with the aim of exploring, obtaining and, through the company of the Russian aligarch, selling natural, popular wealth to the West or East, leaving the people with cookies - this sad, to put it mildly am
        1. +3
          16 August 2013 17: 00
          Growing new territory to Russia is good! But to grow only with the aim of exploring, obtaining and, through the company of the Russian aligarch, selling natural, popular wealth to the West or East, leaving the people with a cookie - this is sad, to say the least

          In Krasnoyarsk, Vankorneft is advertised and praised with might and main. But looking at how fuel rises in price at gas stations, it’s for me on the drum. Near the Krasnoyarsk hydroelectric station, and electricity is not cheap.
        2. +1
          17 August 2013 04: 09
          Quote: zanoza
          Growing new territory to Russia is good! But to grow only for the purpose of exploring, obtaining and, through the company of the Russian aligarch, selling natural, popular wealth to the West or East, leaving people with cookies - this is sad, to say the least am

          Dear! you are right 100% oil is already pumped by Americans on the Sakhalin shelf and the same Americans are selling gas and they are selling to us! am I am amazed with our officials!
      4. +2
        16 August 2013 11: 27
        Of course it’s difficult. After all, opponents are initially oriented to deny everything.
        The best evidence in this case is the fleet and the blocking of the disputed area with its help. That is, to confront the fact - our site, an unauthorized entry into the boundaries of the site automatically leads to the confiscation of the vessel or to the use of weapons by the offender to defeat in case of disobedience.
        And the point. A year, two, five will sing and shut up. Anyway, howl. So let it be better to our advantage.
      5. +4
        16 August 2013 12: 02
        To "prove our rights" - you need to have armed forces, the navy in particular, so that no one doubts that the internal territory of the sea is a continuation of the continental shelf.
      6. psdf
        +2
        17 August 2013 00: 35
        Regarding the history of the issue. Gorbachev and Shivarnadze refused the status of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as internal.
        Returning it is not so easy.
      7. Stranoved
        0
        25 August 2013 09: 52
        You don’t have to be a marshal to understand - no need to prove anything!
        Under the false pretext of compliance with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, the propaganda of the country's unilateral refusal of its legal possessions in the Arctic and the Sea of ​​Okhotsk continues. I believe that no one has the right to question the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Russia, especially on behalf of ministries and state TV channels (see http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=532105). This Convention has nothing to do with the issue of Russia's territorial possessions in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and in all other seas. Articles 74 and 311 of the Convention stipulate that it does not affect any previous agreements, including the issues of delimitation and delimitation of the exclusive economic zone between states with opposite or adjacent coasts. The convention was concluded in 1982 - much later than the status of the USSR continental shelf in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk was determined. According to Art. 1 and 2 of the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR dated February 6, 1968 "On the continental shelf of the USSR" the outer border of the sections of the continental shelf of the USSR in areas adjacent to the coast or islands of the USSR is determined beyond the conventional depth limit of 200 meters, "to such a place to which the depth of the overlying waters allows the development of the natural resources of these areas. " The boundary of the continental shelf of the USSR in those cases when it is adjacent to the shelves of other states is determined by treaties between the USSR and these states. In the absence of such agreements, the border of the continental shelf of the USSR with the state whose shelf is adjacent is determined on the basis of the principle of equal distance. Taking into account that as of the date of ratification by the USSR of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, Japan had no disputes with the USSR about the shelf in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, any demands to revise the Russian state border in this sea are completely legally untenable by virtue of international law. In particular, according to the clause, which the USSR officially made when ratifying the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that our country does not accept any mandatory procedures entailing binding decisions when considering disputes related to the delimitation of maritime boundaries.
        There are no legal doubts regarding the sovereign rights of Russia in the Arctic and the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. The Sea of ​​Okhotsk, together with all its “Soviet shelf” and subsoil beneath it, are the sovereign possessions of our country, the same untouchable part of the territory of Russia as St. Petersburg or Moscow is the common property of our multinational people. All sections of the sea and land that belonged to the USSR within the borders of Russia are not subject to exclusion from it under any pretext.

        For more details see: http://staleved.livejournal.com/63659.html
        http://staleved.livejournal.com/63161.html
    2. +9
      16 August 2013 08: 37
      the fleet needs to be developed and strengthened. That a very powerful argument was in support of UN documents
      1. +5
        16 August 2013 09: 56
        Quote: hort
        the fleet needs to be developed and strengthened. That a very powerful argument was in support of UN documents

        Declare unilaterally the Russian territorial zone. We have enough to control and protect the forces in the East, and no one will climb to fight. Popiz ... t and shut up. Foreign campaigns wishing to fish for seafood should submit applications to the Russian Ministry.
        1. fartfraer
          +4
          16 August 2013 09: 59
          "To declare unilaterally the Russian territorial zone" is quite possible, but will the leadership have enough will for this?
      2. strange and pretty meaningless
        +7
        16 August 2013 10: 15
        Quote: hort
        the fleet needs to be developed and strengthened


        That's it. To ensure the rights to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the Arctic Triangle, powerful Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet, respectively, are needed. Well, you yourself understand what else ... I will explain. At the end of the Second World War I.V. Stalin drew two lines on the map from the extreme points of the Union to the North Pole and convincingly insisted that this was a zone of Soviet interests.
        1. +6
          16 August 2013 12: 18
          here I am talking about the same. Draw a mouthpiece on the map with the words: "We will drown your" fishermen "for poaching, rice muzzles!"
    3. +1
      16 August 2013 08: 38
      And if the Land of the Rising Sun really does not mind ...

      And I really wouldn’t advise her to object!
      1. fartfraer
        +3
        16 August 2013 09: 29
        but the fact that?
        understand the question correctly. this is not a collision. simply if they object what the Russian Federation can do to them?
        1. +1
          16 August 2013 09: 35
          It’s elementary not to let the Sea of ​​Okhotsk into the water, and let them graze anywhere, complain anywhere, they can’t cope with the Chinese.
          1. fartfraer
            +4
            16 August 2013 09: 57
            we teach geography) they have access to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk without the permission of the Russian Federation, because the sea also washed them.
            "They cannot cope with the Chinese." - Can we (Russia)? recall how we coped with China, giving it territories (islands on the Amur)?
            1. +2
              16 August 2013 10: 29
              In this case (the transfer of the islands to me is also not pleasant to me this story, but if it comes to this, then the first who carried out the demarcation of the border along the Amur was none other than Leonid Brezhnev) there was no demand, there was a "gesture of goodwill" and as for "for the same sea washes them," let them walk along the coast.
              1. fartfraer
                +2
                16 August 2013 10: 48
                our border guards (more precisely, Soviet) proved with their blood that this is our (Russian, then Soviet) territory. And the Russian president suddenly decided that he could change this with his "strong-willed" decision? Is this for sure the Russian president?
                "let them walk along the coast." - until the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is completely our territory, they can walk everywhere, except for those territories of the sea that are ours. if there is a "passage" between Sakhalin and the islands of the ridge, then no one at the moment has the right to prohibit them from crawling into this "passage" and plowing the waters. If there is no such "passage", then there is no point in legitimizing the entire sea, because so no one without our permission can not get into the "free international" water area of ​​this sea, because the Russian Federation is around it with a few exceptions (which we are talking about).
              2. 0
                16 August 2013 11: 33
                and as for "for the same sea washes them," let them walk along the coast.
                Plus !!! A 12-mile zone is enough for them for this. And they will complain, "turn off the gas."
                1. fartfraer
                  0
                  16 August 2013 11: 48
                  Tell me the distance between Sakhalin and the nearest island of the Kuril chain?)) Even did not find the info.
            2. +2
              16 August 2013 17: 01
              Quote: fartfraer
              we teach geography) they have access to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk without the permission of the Russian Federation, because the sea is also washed by them

              here it is not necessary to study geography, but international law of the sea and the political borders of states. But if you give these 4 islands of the Kuril ridge to them, because of which they all beat up, the situation with state borders at sea and with pricing on the shelf will change greatly, naturally not in our direction.
          2. 0
            16 August 2013 16: 59
            Quote: sasha.28blaga
            It’s elementary not to let the Sea of ​​Okhotsk into the water, and let them graze anywhere, complain anywhere, they can’t cope with the Chinese.

            Why not let go then? Under the USSR, even the means did not have enough sea borders on the east to track, but what about the present time and what to say then ...
        2. 0
          17 August 2013 08: 06
          Second Fukushima
    4. +4
      16 August 2013 08: 45
      ... and then they say that we do not need a strong fleet, we do not need aircraft carriers, etc. And it would be possible to unilaterally declare their rights and no one would object to a word ...
      1. +4
        16 August 2013 09: 27
        I'm afraid it won't work, because we won't sink all civilians, including fishing vessels, such a world stench will begin that "Mama don't cry." So we definitely need a strong fleet, but not for these purposes.
        1. +3
          16 August 2013 09: 39
          Why drown, stop, escort to their base, put on a joke, the team home, let the captain think how to rescue the ship.
        2. +1
          16 August 2013 12: 22
          Actually, a patrol border ship has every right to drown a poacher who has climbed into our territorial waters. Preliminary warning. The Chinese, on the border, are being shot at, no matter, behind the scenes. the truth here the scales are different of course
      2. +1
        16 August 2013 09: 38
        To Japan from our last island, if I remember correctly (I can be wrong), the distance is 54 km. If so they do not tolerate, then Fr. Hokaido can also be a disputed territory. And the fleet will not help.
    5. serge-68-68
      +2
      16 August 2013 08: 46
      In the light of impending and inevitable conflicts over world resources, the prospects for the Russian application, if it does not have irrefutable evidence, are very, very vague.
      1. +3
        16 August 2013 09: 31
        after providing obvious evidence of affiliation and an obvious refusal in the application, we will soon see the exercises, which must prove ownership permanently, making it clear that the sea is closed to fishing from today ...
      2. +3
        16 August 2013 09: 41
        In the light of recent events, all applications made by Russia are not perceived in any way, even with evidence, even without. Something else must be applied to the evidence.
        1. 0
          17 August 2013 21: 24
          The power!
          is a bad argument? let them prove it
    6. +2
      16 August 2013 08: 47
      "Not only officials flew to New York, but also specialists in the field of underwater geology, including a former member of the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf Yuri Kazmin and Deputy Director of VNIIOkeangeologiya Viktor Poselov." ... and comrades from the relevant special services, which should facilitate the adoption of positive decisions in favor of the application of the Russian delegation. wink
      "... and the UN Commission recognizes the arguments of the Russian experts as convincing ..."
      Russia must have convincing arguments for EVERY member of the UN commission responsible for making the corresponding decision. am
      1. +3
        16 August 2013 11: 38
        Russia must have convincing arguments for EVERY member of the UN commission
        At the choice of the member of the commission:
        1. In a modern style - "30 pieces of silver"
        2. In the style of "crimson jackets" of the early 90s - a soldering iron and an iron
        wassat
        1. kripto
          +1
          17 August 2013 07: 27
          Well, at the expense of soldering irons and iron, I’m not sure, most of us have this normal orientation, but I don’t know, maybe someone will like it.
    7. +7
      16 August 2013 08: 49
      The question is solved simply - one small bulk island between Sakhalin and Kunashir (joke) lol
      1. +2
        16 August 2013 09: 16
        why a joke. one small island overlaps 24 nautical miles ... you just need them 145 pieces)))
        1. fartfraer
          +3
          16 August 2013 09: 31
          there is a grain of truth in your joke. China acted in a similar style on the Amur. It will certainly be harder on the sea, etc., but nevertheless the idea has a right to exist)
        2. 0
          16 August 2013 11: 48
          Why so much? There, from Sakhalin to the ridge, no more than 400 km (more or less shallow part). And this is about 190 nautical miles.
          I propose to fill the chain of islands. Pieces 15-20 for fidelity. Moreover, at a distance of 13-15 nautical miles from the Japanese coast. That is, directly outside the Japanese 12-mile zone. At the end of the embankment, offer the Yapis an agreement on joint management of the strait between our sovereign and their sovereign territory.
          smile
          1. +1
            16 August 2013 12: 28
            so, let's not suggest options for cutting, mastering the dough and kickbacks. Suddenly the site is read by someone from the "official" wassat
            1. +3
              16 August 2013 14: 14
              Quote: hort
              so, let's not suggest options for cutting, mastering the dough and kickbacks. Suddenly the site is read by someone from the "official"

              The main thing is that the Japanese would not read our site. And then while ours agree to whom to roll back how much, the Japanese will pour their islands in three lines ... They have stronger motivation, you need to live somewhere ...
              But can we better build a dozen patrol ships than fill islands? Somehow more reliable.
        3. +1
          16 August 2013 17: 07
          Quote: botsman80
          why a joke. one small island overlaps 24 nautical miles ... you just need them 145 pieces)))

          study the depths of the area of ​​the alleged "mock", "chapaevs" tongue
      2. solomon
        +3
        16 August 2013 10: 29
        Every joke has a fraction ... jokes.
    8. Oskar
      +1
      16 August 2013 09: 18
      Strengthening (restoring?) Of the Pacific Fleet and its constant presence at key points in the region will lead to a sharp increase in Russia's authority in the Asia-Pacific region. Many problems will be easier to solve.
    9. +3
      16 August 2013 09: 19
      A lot has come from the Soviet government and Comrade Stalin of the current RF, but alas, officials are successfully sifting
    10. +4
      16 August 2013 09: 19
      I remember even in Soviet times they showed on TV how ships from a number of countries, which is interesting including Poland, were "fishing pollock by poaching in the center of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk" and then the USSR could not do anything about it. ... ...
      1. +1
        16 August 2013 09: 21
        and after reporting, did anyone see these ships? ...
      2. +1
        17 August 2013 04: 25
        Quote: user
        Poland, they conducted "pollock fishing in the center of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk by poaching methods" and then the USSR could not do anything about it. ... ...

        They are still catching! I just don’t understand how you can catch "MITKA" BY THE BRAKING METHOD? each vessel has a QUOTA, the fishing area on each map is GMDSS without it, they are not allowed into the sea. as soon as the vessel has entered another GARDEN the services know that monitoring is carried out. something like that. with respect!
    11. +2
      16 August 2013 09: 25
      Well, here's the first application of Mistral. It will stand in the middle, between Sakhalin and Kamchatka and a mustache ... Border control is ensured.
      1. +1
        17 August 2013 04: 31
        Quote: Wedmak
        Well, here's the first application of Mistral. It will stand in the middle, between Sakhalin and Kamchatka and a mustache ... Border control is ensured.

        maybe she’ll get up! there the thickness of the ice is up to 2.5 meters, and the storm season from autumn to December the storm mom do not cry!
    12. +2
      16 August 2013 09: 32
      Work on this shelf had to be done back in the USSR, when we were considered. Now it will be difficult because of those "willing" to make this shelf a "global asset".
    13. xmypp
      0
      16 August 2013 09: 32
      Having no real power to protect the interests of our country, at this stage we can only ask, prove, etc.
    14. 6216390
      +1
      16 August 2013 09: 35
      Russia has conducted a full cycle of new seabed research, including seismic sensing

      It’s a strange situation, you have to prove the obvious, you don’t have to be "seven inches in the forehead" to determine the belonging of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk to Russia, just look at the map.
    15. Oskar
      0
      16 August 2013 09: 36
      Quote: Wedmak
      Well, here's the first application of Mistral. It will stand in the middle, between Sakhalin and Kamchatka and a mustache ... Border control is ensured.


      And a couple of TARKR project 1144 "Orlan" and definitely a mustache)))
    16. vitek1233
      +2
      16 August 2013 09: 37
      Quote: botsman80
      ... and then they say that we do not need a strong fleet, we do not need aircraft carriers, etc. And it would be possible to unilaterally declare their rights and no one would object to a word ...

      Just a strong fleet is the best argument
    17. +3
      16 August 2013 09: 40
      Drown everyone to edren fen, let there be a sort of Bermuda triangle.
    18. soldier's grandson
      +3
      16 August 2013 09: 42
      so soon claims on the Volga claim
    19. +2
      16 August 2013 09: 45
      Yeltsman at one time waved the paperwork, now there is not enough strength to fend off effective Democrats crawling into our waters.
    20. 0
      16 August 2013 10: 04
      Quote: fartfraer
      but the fact that?
      understand the question correctly. this is not a collision. simply if they object what the Russian Federation can do to them?

      Russia's strategic nuclear forces are closely following developments. (joke)
      1. fartfraer
        +1
        16 August 2013 10: 19
        and then what? destroy the Japanese?
        it’s clear that the joke, but another thing is clear, the RF has not so many levers of influence on Japan.
    21. +2
      16 August 2013 10: 23
      so what? historical materials of the times of Catherine II, materials of the expedition of Ivan Antipin and Dmitry Shabalin in 1778-79 should be raised. Local Aborigines, Ainu, who lived in the north of Hokkaido, were considered subjects of the Russian Empire. During the reign of Empress Catherine II, in St. Petersburg, when the so-called “Spatial Geography of the Russian State” was made, not only all the Kuril Islands, but also the island of Hokkaido were included in the empire. At that time, the Japanese not only did not populate it, but did not even control it.

      Based on the foregoing, send troops to the north of Hokkaido Island to protect the historically Russian population, gain a foothold on the coastline along the entire perimeter facing the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
      The Sea of ​​Okhotsk will automatically become the inland sea of ​​the Russian Federation. Against this background, the Japanese will no longer have the Kuril Islands (Northern Territories)
      1. +3
        16 August 2013 10: 47
        Hokkaido - 5.5 million people. 5 Japanese infantry mottos, 1 tank, 10 military airfields, plus a fleet, plus the Seikan tunnel, which can be used to transfer 1 divisions per hour. And that's not counting the American units in Hokkaido.
        Good luck in conquering Hokkaido!
        One such also promised Grozny to take by the New Year. How did you recall? And here it’s not even Grozny, here it’s cooler on 100.
        By the way, the Ainu lived in Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands and in the south of Kamchatka.
    22. +1
      16 August 2013 10: 25
      All the shouts of the Japanese about the "northern territories" are reduced to the desire to possess a significant part of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
    23. solomon
      +2
      16 August 2013 10: 33
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Well, proving our rights will be very difficult! I feel at such a pace and it will come to military threats!

      Afraid of wolves - do not go to the forest.
    24. solomon
      0
      16 August 2013 10: 38
      Actions are clear, "de facto" is - it's time and "de jure".
    25. +1
      16 August 2013 10: 41
      What is the strength ?? Power is in the truth! Sooner or later we will press the UN (and its owner). The fleet at an accelerated pace restoring Obama began to catch up slowly (resisting yet ..) wassat For the Arctic and the Sea of ​​Okhotsk you need to fight with your teeth but stand your ground ..
      1. +2
        16 August 2013 10: 56
        More recently, there was a devastating pro "restoration" of the fleet. This was recognized even at the top:

        The implementation of the state defense order program is in jeopardy: funds are insufficient to complete the construction of ships and submarines, confusion and corruption reign in the shipbuilding industry, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin stated. He believes that for such failures in the work "must be planted without talking." "Landing" may begin after August 15 - by this date the Ministry of Industry and Trade has been instructed to bring together at least plans for the construction of civilian vessels.
        An audit of the contracts of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) revealed a lack of financial resources necessary to complete the construction of ships and submarines in the 2013-2015 years, Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said at a meeting of the military-industrial commission on the problems of shipbuilding.
    26. +1
      16 August 2013 11: 00
      And the idiocy began during the time of the unforgettable president of EBN. A perfect combination of letters for a drunkard-wasteful! Under the Soviets, ours was where they decided, and they decided without greed. And EBN signed a piece of paper that only some mile zone is ours. Look at the political map of the USSR. Now we are proving to the "progressive world community".
    27. 0
      16 August 2013 11: 26
      Kind! Here are the claims sucked from a finger! You see, prove to them that this is our territory! Look at the map and the jupon islet there does not sew sleeves into the sea! What is the UN? ......
    28. +1
      16 August 2013 11: 29
      Quote: fartfraer
      "To declare unilaterally the Russian territorial zone" is quite possible, but will the leadership have enough will for this?

      Are you familiar with the Constitution of the Russian Federation? What the UN will decide, so be it. In full accordance with the Basic Law of Russia.
      1. fartfraer
        0
        16 August 2013 11: 46
        I agree, I did not think a bit. I apologize.
        I just suddenly remembered a little different times.
      2. +2
        16 August 2013 12: 07
        Quote: Bakht
        Are you familiar with the Constitution of the Russian Federation? What the UN will decide, so be it. In full accordance with the Basic Law of Russia.


        That's about it, it's time for me to Constitution. I hope to get to this soon.
        1. +1
          16 August 2013 12: 23
          be careful with such statements. Now they can make a criminal for calls for a change of const. building
    29. Nick_1972
      +2
      16 August 2013 11: 44
      Can resume the practice of issuing letters of marque? wink
      1. fartfraer
        +1
        16 August 2013 11: 47
        not vopros.only "in response" the same thing we get. Does the Russian Federation have enough fleet to protect its merchant ships?
    30. +1
      16 August 2013 12: 23
      to prove that this is ours, you need the Pacific Fleet to be at least the 2nd largest in the region - this will be the strongest argument
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    32. malikszh
      +1
      16 August 2013 12: 33
      and what happened to the territory of the Arctic Ocean went to Russia ??? To prove that this territory belongs to Russia, Russia lowered their underwater vehicles and set an iron flag.
    33. +1
      16 August 2013 12: 57
      Quote: hort
      be careful with such statements. Now they can make a criminal for calls for a change of const. building

      There simply is one very interesting article. Article 15-4. In my opinion, it is completely anti-Russian. So the criminal should be started on those who want to leave her.

      http://constitution.kremlin.ru/
    34. +2
      16 August 2013 13: 44
      the fleet needs to be built in the Pacific Ocean and the marine corps should be properly equipped, no UN will be needed for disputes
    35. +2
      16 August 2013 14: 48
      No matter how the Japanese began to link this business with the Kuril Islands.
    36. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      +1
      16 August 2013 14: 58
      As far as the Poles are aware, they are still fishing in the neutral waters of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk ... I am alarmed by the samurai’s agreement on our claims to the shelf, because they did not agree long ago, ??? because you won’t scare them with military force, and it’s not there, but the economy can attract them to your side, the question is what? ... gas? it’s unlikely that the Kuril Islands will remain, or an increase in THEIR economic zone in OUR Sea of ​​Okhotsk .... well, of course, if successful at the UN .... there are no other conditions for Japanese complaisance .....
    37. Micex
      +1
      16 August 2013 15: 15
      it would be necessary to capture Hokkaido and recognize the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as internal bully
      1. +1
        16 August 2013 15: 18
        hmm why so trifles? immediately capture the entire Japanese archipelago and rename the Japanese sea to Russian))
        1. Micex
          0
          16 August 2013 15: 23
          Considering how Yapi excelled in World War II, most Asians will say thanks.
    38. +1
      16 August 2013 17: 42
      Quote: Stiletto
      It's high time to "tie" with this Golden Horde.


      A bunch of pluses for a great find !!!
    39. +1
      16 August 2013 17: 48
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      All the shouts of the Japanese about the "northern territories" are reduced to the desire to possess a significant part of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.


      This is for a start. And then the Ural horizon!
    40. 0
      16 August 2013 17: 51
      Quote: Kibalchish
      By the way, the Ainu lived in Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands and in the south of Kamchatka.


      And before the Ainu, our native Petya Kantropov hunted there. So the priority is ours!
    41. +1
      16 August 2013 18: 03
      I just don’t understand))) what kind of applications can there be to the pocket Pind American UN when the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is inside Russia?: _)))
      1. +1
        16 August 2013 21: 57
        Quote: Free Island
        I just don’t understand))) what kind of applications can there be to the pocket Pind American UN when the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is inside Russia?: _)))

        Google - "international maritime law", read about the shelf, the economic zone and the rights to it of a separate state. Previously, this offshore economic zone was 200 mil. You take a large map of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and measure on a scale (you can roughly) 200 miles from our shores in it! You get almost in the center of the sea a "no-man's" economic penny, which the Japanese and other poachers have always used, catching fish there. Legally, nothing could be done. Now they want to extend this situation to shelf hydrocarbons as well. hi
    42. +1
      16 August 2013 19: 01
      To the foregoing; The UN is an organization that depends on funding from the states that make up it. Since she is a non-profit organization. And who has a large share in financing, he expects a greater understanding of the officials of this organization. What is our share, such are the chances. And the strength of army muscles and the share of financing international institutions are indicators of a country's development and ability to protect its interests in the world, but In this case, these indicators complement each other, and do not act separately in order to resolve disputes on the shelf.
    43. +1
      17 August 2013 11: 48
      <<< The fate of Russian offshore applications depends on two factors, Kaznacheev explains. The continuation of the continental shelf must be scientifically proven. The second factor is the work of diplomats. >>>
      The second factor is the main and main! With the struggle for resources that is escalating in the world every day, and taking into account the influence of the States and the Western world in the UN and their attitude towards Russia, it is hardly worth hoping for the satisfaction of Russian applications! It is already widely believed in the world that the West has seized too much territory and wealth that supposedly belongs to the whole world, which Russia is not capable of mastering and many sharpen their teeth on these wealth and are ready, at least, to take part in their development!
    44. 0
      17 August 2013 15: 34
      Take a look from space maps - just like a shelf. And between it and Yapami hollow - let the suck wet ...
    45. 0
      17 August 2013 16: 59
      Our sea and the point, and let them prove to us that this is not so we did everything according to the rules, let them try to refute our evidence, while closing it to everyone else.
    46. fklj
      0
      19 August 2013 12: 19
      Making Okhotsk an inland sea of ​​Russia is simple. There would be political will and the Pacific Fleet
    47. clean water
      0
      21 August 2013 18: 06
      Quote: sasha.28blaga
      Something else must be applied to the evidence.

      And what is this mysterious "SOMETHING ELSE"?

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