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Will Russia get thousands of kilometers of the bottom of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk?

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The Sea of ​​Okhotsk is a pantry of valuable resources: oil, gas, valuable fish species, crabs. In 2001, Russia attempted to make a claim to the UN for the submarine part of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, outside the 200-mile economic zone. But the experts rejected the application: the scientific data on the affiliation of the shelf to the mainland margin of Russia turned out to be not convincing. Since then, Russia has conducted marine research, including seismic sounding of the bottom. The other day, a delegation flew from Moscow to New York to submit a new application to the UN at 16 in August. This is a section of the bottom of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk with an area of ​​56000 square kilometers, which is still considered “open” to the economic activities of any state.




As Alexander Gasyuk writes ("Russian newspaper"), the government delegation on Friday will formally submit to the UN an application for the continental shelf under the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. If successful 56000 square. km of the seabed in the spring of next year to become the territory of Russia.

Recently, Russian experts were able to prove to the Japanese (previously against the application of Moscow who objected) that they could not have legal grounds for claims. In addition, Russia has conducted a full cycle of new studies of the seabed, including seismic sounding, and now expects UN experts to agree that the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, up to the Kuril Ridge, will fall under Russian jurisdiction.

The application is submitted by the delegation led by Deputy Minister of Natural Resources Denis Khramov. Not only officials, but also specialists in the field of underwater geology, including former member of the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf Yuri Kazmin and Deputy Director of VNII Okeangeology Viktor Poselov flew to New York. Collected evidence must satisfy the UN Commission.

The article by Alexander Gasyuk also notes that the satisfaction of Russian claims may further play a positive role in the consideration of the RF renewed application for the Arctic Lomonosov and Mendeleev ranges. In the ill-fated 2001 year, the United Nations rejected the relevant application, requesting additional data to substantiate the seabed belonging under the Arctic Ocean to Russia. Since then, our scientists have conducted numerous Arctic studies.

Vlad Grinkevich ("Voice of Russia") recalls that the continental shelf of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk outside the 200-mile economic zone is now considered the “open sea”. Accordingly, any country can engage in fishing here.

Meanwhile, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk almost surrounds Russian territories on all sides: the mainland, the Kamchatka Peninsula, Sakhalin Island, the Kuril Islands. True, in the south the sea washes the Japanese island of Hokkaido. That is why the controversial site is considered to be generally available.

Associate Professor of the Russian Academy of National Economy and Public Administration under the President of the Russian Federation Peter Kaznacheev says:

“The Sea of ​​Okhotsk washes more than one state. If only Russia were around him, it would most likely fall into the internal waters. But since there is a section of Japan, it is necessary to prove that the internal territory of the sea is a continuation of the continental shelf. Otherwise, it cannot be made the exclusive economic territory of Russia. "


The fate of Russian offshore applications depends on two factors, Kaznacheev explains. Continuation of the continental shelf must be scientifically proven. The second factor is the work of diplomats.

However, the Japanese are no longer going to object to the consideration of the Russian application in the United Nations.

But, as Kaznacheev points out, the forecasts for the Arctic ridges of Lomonosov and Mendeleev were also optimistic, and it is still not clear to this day whether the waters will receive the status of the Russian continental shelf.

It should be noted in conclusion that, despite the economic “openness” of the sea, it is convenient to “use” it, not to mention Japan, namely Russia. And, if the Land of the Rising Sun really does not object, and the UN Commission recognizes the arguments of Russian experts convincing, Russia will have a chance to “grow” the continental shelf under the Sea of ​​Okhotsk with an area of ​​56 thousand square kilometers.

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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 16 August 2013 08: 35 New
    +6
    Well, proving our rights will be very difficult! I feel at such a pace and it will come to military threats!
    1. Denis
      Denis 16 August 2013 09: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Well, proving our rights will be very difficult!

      How did you serve before Marshal ...
      1. Russian
        Russian 16 August 2013 09: 53 New
        21
        Quote: Denis
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Well, proving our rights will be very difficult!

        How did you serve before Marshal ...


        And what did he write? Everything is right! On whose side is power, on that side is the law! There, the Chinese how many times they entered the disputed territories and everything got away with them because they were afraid. And what can we demonstrate there? Only recently there was an article that our fleet in this area is far from the strongest. Our best evidence for this territory is a strong army and navy! And then this UN can be sent to hell!
        And your statement about the marshal is not at all clear! Not everyone on the site is chasing another star, which in real life does not give anything.
        1. kush62
          kush62 16 August 2013 16: 57 New
          +5
          And your statement about the marshal is not at all clear! Not everyone on the site is chasing another star, which in real life does not give anything.

          100% agree with you.
    2. experienced
      experienced 16 August 2013 09: 46 New
      11
      In addition, Russia conducted a full cycle of new seabed research, including seismic sensing, and now expects UN experts to agree that the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will fall under Russian jurisdiction up to the Kuril ridge.

      Unfortunately, we have to admit that the UN is not even shy to show that it has a host (USA) who can “push” anything there (Libya) and block anything. They will vote against to “annoy” Russia, too many of our “enemies” are represented there. No argument in such matters helps. If there is a force, then it is necessary to demonstrate it, but the forces are just not the ones to keep the fleet in the disputed part and to oust other people's ships and ships. hi
      True, in the south, the sea is washed by the Japanese island of Hokkaido. Therefore, the controversial site is considered publicly available.

      The Americans knew what they were doing when the atomic bombing was arranged, otherwise there would have been a Soviet entry into Hokkaido and much in the modern world would have been different recourse
      1. bazilio
        bazilio 16 August 2013 10: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: seasoned
        Unfortunately, we have to admit that the UN is not even shy to show that it has a host (USA) who can “push” anything there (Libya) and block anything.


        Are you talking about the veto in the UN Security Council? Well, such questions do not apply to the Security Council. If my memory serves me right, such questions (territorial) are subordinate to the second and sixth UN committees. There is a slightly different mechanism, although in general it can be shoved here, but more complicated. Ultimately, only the Japanese can really put sticks in wheels on this issue.
        1. Don
          Don 16 August 2013 11: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: bazilio
          Ultimately, only the Japanese can really put sticks in wheels on this issue.

          How so?
          1. bazilio
            bazilio 16 August 2013 11: 54 New
            +4
            Quote: Don
            How so?


            The fact that their territory also borders on the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. And they will put sticks in wheels by sending their objections to the relevant UN committees or even an international court.
      2. ankh-andrej
        ankh-andrej 16 August 2013 12: 27 New
        +4
        Unfortunately, we have to admit that the UN is no longer even shy to show that it has a host (USA)

        Now let's see how the organization’s budget is formed. The data is a bit old, but little has changed there.
        "This is a regular budget for UN programs, approved by the UN General Assembly every two years. It is formed by contributions from UN member states for a biennium in accordance with the scale determined by the UN Assembly on the recommendation of the Committee on Contributions. The main criterion on which the scale of contributions is based is the solvency of member states.The UN budget is spent on the following items: general policy-making, leadership and coordination, political activities, international justice and law, international cooperation for development, regional cooperation for the development of human rights and humanitarian policy, public information, general administrative services, special expenses, capital expenses, staff taxation
        At its core, the distribution of costs is the principle of solvency of states. “The General Assembly reaffirms the fundamental principle that the expenses of the Organization are distributed among Member States in approximate accordance with their solvency,” the resolution says.
        With this approach, gross national product indicators for a period of 6 years and three years are taken into account. If the economy of a particular state is developing successfully, then the size of its contributions to the UN budget is growing.
        The UN General Assembly adopted a resolution on financing the organization’s budget for 2007-2009. $ 2 billion
        According to the document, the US contribution will remain unchanged at 22%, while Japan's participation will decrease from 19,5% to 16,6%. At the same time, the contribution of the Russian Federation will increase from 1,1% to 1,2%, reports (C) Associated Press. The rapid growth of the Chinese economy is associated with an increase in the country's share of participation from 2% to 2,7%.
        As for the EU countries, the share of Germany will slightly decrease - from 8,7% to 8,6%. At the same time, contributions from the UK and France will increase to 6,6% and 6,3%, respectively.
        Thus, the largest share in the financing of the UN budget for 2007-2009. will remain for the USA. Japan will take second place, followed by Germany, Britain and France.
        The UN budget is focused on financing various aspects of the organization’s daily activities. It is reviewed every three years by the UN Budget Committee. "
        In this situation, counting on something will be more than strange.
        1. bazilio
          bazilio 17 August 2013 14: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: ankh-andrej
          Thus, the largest share in the financing of the UN budget for 2007-2009. will remain for the USA.

          Yes, you're right, the United States pays the United Nations the most. But the US membership dues, it seems to me, are not a lever for lobbying the interests of the United States in the United Nations, since the USA MUST pay membership dues, otherwise the United States may exclude from the UN membership, which will be an extremely undesirable option for the United States, since permanent membership will be lost in the UN Security Council.
      3. Stiletto
        Stiletto 16 August 2013 14: 00 New
        +5
        While we are going to New York with applications, we will not prove anything to anyone and we will not receive anything. It's time to “tie up” with this Golden Horde.
    3. zanoza
      zanoza 16 August 2013 10: 30 New
      13
      To grow new territory to Russia is good! But to grow only with the aim of exploring, obtaining and, through the company of the Russian aligarch, selling natural, popular wealth to the West or East, leaving the people with cookies - this sad, to put it mildly am
      1. kush62
        kush62 16 August 2013 17: 00 New
        +3
        Growing new territory to Russia is good! But to grow only with the aim of exploring, obtaining and, through the company of the Russian aligarch, selling natural, popular wealth to the West or East, leaving the people with a cookie - this is sad, to say the least

        In Krasnoyarsk, Vankorneft is advertised and praised with might and main. But looking at how fuel rises in price at gas stations, it’s for me on the drum. Near the Krasnoyarsk hydroelectric station, and electricity is not cheap.
      2. Far East
        Far East 17 August 2013 04: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: zanoza
        Growing new territory to Russia is good! But to grow only for the purpose of exploring, obtaining and, through the company of the Russian aligarch, selling natural, popular wealth to the West or East, leaving people with cookies - this is sad, to say the least am

        Dear! you are right 100% oil is already pumped by Americans on the Sakhalin shelf and the same Americans are selling gas and they are selling to us! am I am amazed with our officials!
    4. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 16 August 2013 11: 27 New
      +2
      Of course it’s difficult. After all, opponents are initially oriented to deny everything.
      The best evidence in this case is the fleet and the blocking of the disputed area with its help. That is, to confront the fact - our site, an unauthorized entry into the boundaries of the site automatically leads to the confiscation of the vessel or to the use of weapons by the offender to defeat in case of disobedience.
      And the point. A year, two, five will sing and shut up. Anyway, howl. So let it be better to our advantage.
    5. sub307
      sub307 16 August 2013 12: 02 New
      +4
      To "prove our rights" - you need to have an armed force, the navy in particular, so that no one doubts that the inland is a continuation of the continental shelf.
    6. psdf
      psdf 17 August 2013 00: 35 New
      +2
      Regarding the history of the issue. Gorbachev and Shivarnadze refused the status of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as internal.
      Returning it is not so easy.
    7. Stranoved
      Stranoved 25 August 2013 09: 52 New
      0
      You don’t have to be a marshal to understand - no need to prove anything!
      Under the false pretext of observing the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, propaganda continues of the country's unilateral refusal from its legal possessions in the Arctic and the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. I believe that no one has the right to question the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Russia, especially on behalf of ministries and state-owned channels (see http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=532105). This Convention does not have any relation to the issue of territorial possessions of Russia in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, and in all other seas. Articles 74 and 311 of the Convention stipulate that it does not affect any previous agreements, including the delimitation and delimitation of the exclusive economic zone between states with opposite or adjacent coasts. The Convention was concluded in 1982, much later than the status of the USSR continental shelf in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk was determined. According to Art. 1 and 2 of the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of February 6, 1968 "On the Continental Shelf of the USSR", the outer border of the continental shelf of the USSR in areas adjacent to the coast or islands of the USSR is determined beyond the conventional limit of 200 meters, "to such a place to which the depth of the covering waters allows the development of the natural wealth of these areas. " The border of the continental shelf of the USSR in those cases when it adjoins the shelves of other states is determined by treaties of the USSR with these states. In the absence of such agreements, the border of the USSR continental shelf with a state whose shelf is adjacent is determined by the principle of equal distance. Considering that, as of the date of ratification of the USSR by the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, Japan had no disputes with the USSR on the shelf in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, any requirements for revising the State Border of Russia in this sea are completely legally untenable by international law. In particular, according to the reservation that the USSR officially made upon ratification of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, that our country does not take any mandatory procedures entailing binding decisions when considering disputes related to the delimitation of maritime borders.
      There are no legal doubts regarding the sovereign rights of Russia in the Arctic and the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. The Sea of ​​Okhotsk, together with all its “Soviet shelf” and subsoil beneath it, are the sovereign possessions of our country, the same untouchable part of the territory of Russia as St. Petersburg or Moscow is the common property of our multinational people. All sections of the sea and land that belonged to the USSR within the borders of Russia are not subject to exclusion from it under any pretext.

      For more details see: http://staleved.livejournal.com/63659.html
      http://staleved.livejournal.com/63161.html
  2. Hort
    Hort 16 August 2013 08: 37 New
    +9
    the fleet needs to be developed and strengthened. That a very powerful argument was in support of UN documents
    1. the polar
      the polar 16 August 2013 09: 56 New
      +5
      Quote: hort
      the fleet needs to be developed and strengthened. That a very powerful argument was in support of UN documents

      Declare unilaterally the Russian territorial zone. We have enough to control and protect the forces in the East, and no one will climb to fight. Popiz ... t and shut up. Foreign campaigns wishing to fish for seafood should submit applications to the Russian Ministry.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 16 August 2013 09: 59 New
        +4
        “Declaring unilaterally the Russian territorial zone” is quite possible, but will the leadership have the will to do so?
    2. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 16 August 2013 10: 15 New
      +7
      Quote: hort
      the fleet needs to be developed and strengthened


      That's it. To ensure the rights to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the Arctic Triangle, powerful Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet, respectively, are needed. Well, you yourself understand what else ... I will explain. At the end of the Second World War I.V. Stalin drew two lines on the map from the extreme points of the Union to the North Pole and convincingly insisted that this was a zone of Soviet interests.
      1. Hort
        Hort 16 August 2013 12: 18 New
        +6
        here I am talking about the same thing. Hold the mouthpiece on the map with the words: "we will drown your" fishermen "for poaching, rice muzzles!"
  3. crambol
    crambol 16 August 2013 08: 38 New
    +1
    And if the Land of the Rising Sun really does not mind ...

    And I really wouldn’t advise her to object!
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 16 August 2013 09: 29 New
      +3
      but the fact that?
      understand the question correctly. this is not a collision. simply if they object what the Russian Federation can do to them?
      1. sasha.28blaga
        sasha.28blaga 16 August 2013 09: 35 New
        +1
        It’s elementary not to let the Sea of ​​Okhotsk into the water, and let them graze anywhere, complain anywhere, they can’t cope with the Chinese.
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 16 August 2013 09: 57 New
          +4
          we teach geography) they have access to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk without the permission of the Russian Federation, because the sea also washed them.
          “They can’t cope with the Chinese.” - But can we (the Russian Federation)? recall how we coped with China, giving it the territory (islands on the Amur)?
          1. sasha.28blaga
            sasha.28blaga 16 August 2013 10: 29 New
            +2
            In this case (the transfer of the islands is also not pleasant to me, this story, but if it came to this, the first who carried out the border demarcation along the Amur was none other than Leonid Brezhnev) there was no demand, there was a "goodwill gesture" and as for "for the sea also bathes them," let them walk along the coast.
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 16 August 2013 10: 48 New
              +2
              our border guards (or rather, Soviet) with their blood proved that this is our (Russian, then Soviet) territory. And the Russian president suddenly decided that he could change this with his "strong-willed" decision? Is this exactly the Russian president?
              “let them go along the coast.” - until the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is completely our territory, they can go everywhere, with the exception of those territories of the sea that are ours. if there is a “passage” between Sakhalin and the islands of the ridge, no one at the moment has the right to forbid them to climb into this “passage” and surf the water. if there is no such “passage”, then there is no point in legitimizing the whole sea, for so no one without our permission will be able to get into the "free international" water area of ​​this sea, for the Russian Federation around it with a few exceptions (which we are talking about).
            2. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 16 August 2013 11: 33 New
              0
              and as for "for the sea also bathes them," let them walk along the coast.
              Plus! A 12-mile zone is enough for this for the eyes. And they will complain, "turn off the gas."
              1. fartfraer
                fartfraer 16 August 2013 11: 48 New
                0
                Tell me the distance between Sakhalin and the nearest island of the Kuril chain?)) Even did not find the info.
          2. old man54
            old man54 16 August 2013 17: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: fartfraer
            we teach geography) they have access to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk without the permission of the Russian Federation, because the sea is also washed by them

            here it is not necessary to study geography, but international law of the sea and the political borders of states. But if you give these 4 islands of the Kuril ridge to them, because of which they all beat up, the situation with state borders at sea and with pricing on the shelf will change greatly, naturally not in our direction.
        2. old man54
          old man54 16 August 2013 16: 59 New
          0
          Quote: sasha.28blaga
          It’s elementary not to let the Sea of ​​Okhotsk into the water, and let them graze anywhere, complain anywhere, they can’t cope with the Chinese.

          Why not let go then? Under the USSR, even the means did not have enough sea borders on the east to track, but what about the present time and what to say then ...
      2. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 17 August 2013 08: 06 New
        0
        Second Fukushima
  4. botsman80
    botsman80 16 August 2013 08: 45 New
    +4
    ... and then they say that we do not need a strong fleet, we do not need aircraft carriers, etc. And it would be possible to unilaterally declare their rights and no one would object to a word ...
    1. xxxMYSTICxxx
      xxxMYSTICxxx 16 August 2013 09: 27 New
      +4
      I’m afraid that it won’t take a ride, because we won’t start drowning civilian vessels, including fishing vessels, such a world stench will begin that "Mama Do not Cry." So we definitely need a strong fleet, but not for these purposes.
      1. sasha.28blaga
        sasha.28blaga 16 August 2013 09: 39 New
        +3
        Why drown, stop, escort to their base, put on a joke, the team home, let the captain think how to rescue the ship.
      2. Hort
        Hort 16 August 2013 12: 22 New
        +1
        Actually, a patrol border ship has every right to drown a poacher who has climbed into our territorial waters. Preliminary warning. The Chinese, on the border, are being shot at, no matter, behind the scenes. the truth here the scales are different of course
    2. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 16 August 2013 09: 38 New
      +1
      To Japan from our last island, if I remember correctly (I can be wrong), the distance is 54 km. If so they do not tolerate, then Fr. Hokaido can also be a disputed territory. And the fleet will not help.
  5. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 16 August 2013 08: 46 New
    +2
    In the light of impending and inevitable conflicts over world resources, the prospects for the Russian application, if it does not have irrefutable evidence, are very, very vague.
    1. afire
      afire 16 August 2013 09: 31 New
      +3
      after providing obvious evidence of affiliation and an obvious refusal in the application, we will soon see the exercises, which must prove ownership permanently, making it clear that the sea is closed to fishing from today ...
    2. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 16 August 2013 09: 41 New
      +3
      In the light of recent events, all applications made by Russia are not perceived in any way, even with evidence, even without. Something else must be applied to the evidence.
      1. afire
        afire 17 August 2013 21: 24 New
        0
        The power!
        is a bad argument? let them prove it
  6. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 16 August 2013 08: 47 New
    +2
    "Not only officials, but also specialists in the field of underwater geology, including former member of the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf Yuri Kazmin and Deputy Director of VNIIOkeangeologii Viktor Poselov, flew to New York." ... and comrades from the relevant special services, which should facilitate the adoption of positive decisions in favor of the application of the Russian delegation. wink
    "... and the UN commission finds the arguments of Russian experts convincing ..."
    Russia must have convincing arguments for EVERY member of the UN commission responsible for making the corresponding decision. am
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 16 August 2013 11: 38 New
      +3
      Russia must have convincing arguments for EVERY member of the UN commission
      At the choice of the member of the commission:
      1. In a modern style - "30 pieces of silver"
      2. In the style of "raspberry jackets" of the early 90s - a soldering iron and iron
      wassat
      1. kripto
        kripto 17 August 2013 07: 27 New
        +1
        Well, at the expense of soldering irons and iron, I’m not sure, most of us have this normal orientation, but I don’t know, maybe someone will like it.
  7. DEMENTIY
    DEMENTIY 16 August 2013 08: 49 New
    +7
    The question is solved simply - one small bulk island between Sakhalin and Kunashir (joke) lol
    1. botsman80
      botsman80 16 August 2013 09: 16 New
      +2
      why a joke. one small island overlaps 24 nautical miles ... you just need them 145 pieces)))
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 16 August 2013 09: 31 New
        +3
        there is a grain of truth in your joke. China acted in a similar style on the Amur. It will certainly be harder on the sea, etc., but nevertheless the idea has a right to exist)
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 16 August 2013 11: 48 New
        0
        Why so much? There, from Sakhalin to the ridge, no more than 400 km (more or less shallow part). And this is about 190 nautical miles.
        I propose to fill the chain of islands. Pieces 15-20 for fidelity. Moreover, at a distance of 13-15 nautical miles from the Japanese coast. That is, directly outside the Japanese 12-mile zone. At the end of the embankment, offer the Yapis an agreement on joint management of the strait between our sovereign and their sovereign territory.
        smile
        1. Hort
          Hort 16 August 2013 12: 28 New
          +1
          So, let’s not suggest options for cutting, mastering dough and kickbacks. Suddenly a site from one of the "official" reads wassat
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 16 August 2013 14: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: hort
            So, let’s not suggest options for cutting, mastering dough and kickbacks. Suddenly a site from one of the "official" reads

            The main thing is that the Japanese would not read our site. And then while ours agree to whom to roll back how much, the Japanese will pour their islands in three lines ... They have stronger motivation, you need to live somewhere ...
            But can we better build a dozen patrol ships than fill islands? Somehow more reliable.
      3. old man54
        old man54 16 August 2013 17: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: botsman80
        why a joke. one small island overlaps 24 nautical miles ... you just need them 145 pieces)))

        the depths of the area of ​​the alleged "gravel" study, "Chapaev" tongue
    2. solomon
      solomon 16 August 2013 10: 29 New
      +3
      Every joke has a fraction ... jokes.
  8. Oskar
    Oskar 16 August 2013 09: 18 New
    +1
    Strengthening (restoring?) Of the Pacific Fleet and its constant presence at key points in the region will lead to a sharp increase in Russia's authority in the Asia-Pacific region. Many problems will be easier to solve.
  9. Jarserge
    Jarserge 16 August 2013 09: 19 New
    +3
    A lot has come from the Soviet government and Comrade Stalin of the current RF, but alas, officials are successfully sifting
  10. user
    user 16 August 2013 09: 19 New
    +4
    I remember back in Soviet times, on TV, they showed how the ships of a number of countries, interestingly including Poland, were “fishing pollock in the center of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk by poaching methods” and then the USSR could not do anything about it. . .
    1. botsman80
      botsman80 16 August 2013 09: 21 New
      +1
      and after reporting, did anyone see these ships? ...
    2. Far East
      Far East 17 August 2013 04: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: user
      Poland, they were "led in the center of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk by pollock fishing" and then the USSR could not do anything about it. . .

      They catch now! I just don’t understand how you can catch the “MITKA” BY THE BARRIER'S METHOD? each vessel has a QUOTA, the fishing area on each karate stands the GMDSS without it they are not allowed to go to sea. as soon as the ship went into another garden service know, monitoring is underway. something like that. with respect!
  11. Wedmak
    Wedmak 16 August 2013 09: 25 New
    +2
    Well, here's the first application of Mistral. It will stand in the middle, between Sakhalin and Kamchatka and a mustache ... Border control is ensured.
    1. Far East
      Far East 17 August 2013 04: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      Well, here's the first application of Mistral. It will stand in the middle, between Sakhalin and Kamchatka and a mustache ... Border control is ensured.

      maybe she’ll get up! there the thickness of the ice is up to 2.5 meters, and the storm season from autumn to December the storm mom do not cry!
  12. NOMADE
    NOMADE 16 August 2013 09: 32 New
    +2
    Work on this shelf, it was necessary to do back in the USSR, when we were reckoned with. Now it will be difficult because of those who "want" to make this shelf a "global asset."
  13. Xmypp
    Xmypp 16 August 2013 09: 32 New
    0
    Having no real power to protect the interests of our country, at this stage we can only ask, prove, etc.
  14. 6216390
    6216390 16 August 2013 09: 35 New
    +1
    Russia has conducted a full cycle of new seabed research, including seismic sensing

    It’s a strange situation, you have to prove the obvious, you don’t have to be “seven spans in your forehead” to determine if the Sea of ​​Okhotsk belongs to Russia, just look at the map.
  15. Oskar
    Oskar 16 August 2013 09: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Wedmak
    Well, here's the first application of Mistral. It will stand in the middle, between Sakhalin and Kamchatka and a mustache ... Border control is ensured.


    And a couple of TARKR project 1144 "Orlan" and definitely a mustache)))
  16. vitek1233
    vitek1233 16 August 2013 09: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: botsman80
    ... and then they say that we do not need a strong fleet, we do not need aircraft carriers, etc. And it would be possible to unilaterally declare their rights and no one would object to a word ...

    Just a strong fleet is the best argument
  17. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 16 August 2013 09: 40 New
    +3
    Drown everyone to edren fen, let there be a sort of Bermuda triangle.
  18. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 16 August 2013 09: 42 New
    +3
    so soon claims on the Volga claim
  19. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 16 August 2013 09: 45 New
    +2
    Yeltsman at one time waved the paperwork, now there is not enough strength to fend off effective Democrats crawling into our waters.
  20. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 16 August 2013 10: 04 New
    0
    Quote: fartfraer
    but the fact that?
    understand the question correctly. this is not a collision. simply if they object what the Russian Federation can do to them?

    Russia's strategic nuclear forces are closely following developments. (joke)
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 16 August 2013 10: 19 New
      +1
      and then what? destroy the Japanese?
      it’s clear that the joke, but another thing is clear, the RF has not so many levers of influence on Japan.
  21. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 16 August 2013 10: 23 New
    +2
    so what? historical materials of the times of Catherine II, materials of the expedition of Ivan Antipin and Dmitry Shabalin in 1778-79 should be raised. Local Aborigines, Ainu, who lived in the north of Hokkaido, were considered subjects of the Russian Empire. During the reign of Empress Catherine II, in St. Petersburg, when the so-called “Spatial Geography of the Russian State” was made, not only all the Kuril Islands, but also the island of Hokkaido were included in the empire. At that time, the Japanese not only did not populate it, but did not even control it.

    Based on the foregoing, send troops to the north of Hokkaido Island to protect the historically Russian population, gain a foothold on the coastline along the entire perimeter facing the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
    The Sea of ​​Okhotsk will automatically become the inland sea of ​​the Russian Federation. Against this background, the Japanese will no longer have the Kuril Islands (Northern Territories)
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 16 August 2013 10: 47 New
      +3
      Hokkaido - 5.5 million people. 5 Japanese infantry mottos, 1 tank, 10 military airfields, plus a fleet, plus the Seikan tunnel, which can be used to transfer 1 divisions per hour. And that's not counting the American units in Hokkaido.
      Good luck in conquering Hokkaido!
      One such also promised Grozny to take by the New Year. How did you recall? And here it’s not even Grozny, here it’s cooler on 100.
      By the way, the Ainu lived in Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands and in the south of Kamchatka.
  22. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 16 August 2013 10: 25 New
    +1
    All the cries of the Japanese about the "northern territories" come down to the desire to possess a significant part of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
  23. solomon
    solomon 16 August 2013 10: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Well, proving our rights will be very difficult! I feel at such a pace and it will come to military threats!

    Afraid of wolves - do not go to the forest.
  24. solomon
    solomon 16 August 2013 10: 38 New
    0
    The actions are understandable, there is “de facto” - it’s time and “de jure”.
  25. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 16 August 2013 10: 41 New
    +1
    What is the strength ?? Power is in the truth! Sooner or later we will press the UN (and its owner). The fleet at an accelerated pace restoring Obama began to catch up slowly (resisting yet ..) wassat For the Arctic and the Sea of ​​Okhotsk you need to fight with your teeth but stand your ground ..
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 16 August 2013 10: 56 New
      +2
      More recently, there was a crushing about the "restoration" of the fleet. This was even acknowledged at the top:

      The implementation of the state defense order program is in jeopardy: funds are insufficient to complete the construction of ships and submarines, confusion and corruption reign in the shipbuilding industry, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin stated. He believes that for such failures in the work "must be planted without talking." "Landing" may begin after August 15 - by this date the Ministry of Industry and Trade has been instructed to bring together at least plans for the construction of civilian vessels.
      An audit of the contracts of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) revealed a lack of financial resources necessary to complete the construction of ships and submarines in the 2013-2015 years, Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said at a meeting of the military-industrial commission on the problems of shipbuilding.
  26. My address
    My address 16 August 2013 11: 00 New
    +1
    And idiocy began during the time of the unforgettable president of EBN. A great combination of letters for the drunken-rascratchika! When our Soviets were where they decided, and decided without greed. And EBN signed a piece of paper that only a mile zone is ours. See the political map of the USSR. Now we are proving to the "progressive world community".
  27. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 16 August 2013 11: 26 New
    0
    Kind! Here are the claims sucked from a finger! You see, prove to them that this is our territory! Look at the map and the jupon islet there does not sew sleeves into the sea! What is the UN? ......
  28. Bakht
    Bakht 16 August 2013 11: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: fartfraer
    “Declaring unilaterally the Russian territorial zone” is quite possible, but will the leadership have the will to do so?

    Are you familiar with the Constitution of the Russian Federation? What the UN will decide, so be it. In full accordance with the Basic Law of Russia.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 16 August 2013 11: 46 New
      0
      I agree, I did not think a bit. I apologize.
      I just suddenly remembered a little different times.
    2. Humen
      Humen 16 August 2013 12: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Bakht
      Are you familiar with the Constitution of the Russian Federation? What the UN will decide, so be it. In full accordance with the Basic Law of Russia.


      That's about it, it's time for me to Constitution. I hope to get to this soon.
      1. Hort
        Hort 16 August 2013 12: 23 New
        +1
        be careful with such statements. Now they can make a criminal for calls for a change of const. building
  29. Nick_1972
    Nick_1972 16 August 2013 11: 44 New
    +2
    Can resume the practice of issuing letters of marque? wink
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 16 August 2013 11: 47 New
      +1
      not a question. we’ll only get the same answer. will the Russian Federation have enough fleets to protect their merchant ships?
  30. nod739
    nod739 16 August 2013 12: 23 New
    +1
    to prove that this is ours, you need the Pacific Fleet to be at least the 2nd largest in the region - this will be the strongest argument
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  32. malikszh
    malikszh 16 August 2013 12: 33 New
    +1
    and what happened to the territory of the Arctic Ocean went to Russia ??? To prove that this territory belongs to Russia, Russia lowered their underwater vehicles and set an iron flag.
  33. Bakht
    Bakht 16 August 2013 12: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: hort
    be careful with such statements. Now they can make a criminal for calls for a change of const. building

    There simply is one very interesting article. Article 15-4. In my opinion, it is completely anti-Russian. So the criminal should be started on those who want to leave her.

    http://constitution.kremlin.ru/
  34. bulvas
    bulvas 16 August 2013 13: 44 New
    +2
    the fleet needs to be built in the Pacific Ocean and the marine corps should be properly equipped, no UN will be needed for disputes
  35. voliador
    voliador 16 August 2013 14: 48 New
    +2
    No matter how the Japanese began to link this business with the Kuril Islands.
  36. NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 16 August 2013 14: 58 New
    +1
    As far as the Poles are aware, they are still fishing in the neutral waters of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk ... I am alarmed by the samurai’s agreement on our claims to the shelf, because they did not agree long ago, ??? because you won’t scare them with military force, and it’s not there, but the economy can attract them to your side, the question is what? ... gas? it’s unlikely that the Kuril Islands will remain, or an increase in THEIR economic zone in OUR Sea of ​​Okhotsk .... well, of course, if successful at the UN .... there are no other conditions for Japanese complaisance .....
  37. Micex
    Micex 16 August 2013 15: 15 New
    +1
    it would be necessary to capture Hokkaido and recognize the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as internal bully
    1. alone
      alone 16 August 2013 15: 18 New
      +1
      hmm why so trifles? immediately capture the entire Japanese archipelago and rename the Japanese sea to Russian))
      1. Micex
        Micex 16 August 2013 15: 23 New
        0
        Considering how Yapi excelled in World War II, most Asians will say thanks.
  38. crambol
    crambol 16 August 2013 17: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: Stiletto
    It's time to “tie up” with this Golden Horde.


    A bunch of pluses for a great find !!!
  39. crambol
    crambol 16 August 2013 17: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: JIaIIoTb
    All the cries of the Japanese about the "northern territories" come down to the desire to possess a significant part of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.


    This is for a start. And then the Ural horizon!
  40. crambol
    crambol 16 August 2013 17: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Kibalchish
    By the way, the Ainu lived in Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands and in the south of Kamchatka.


    And before the Ainu, our native Petya Kantropov hunted there. So the priority is ours!
  41. Free Island
    Free Island 16 August 2013 18: 03 New
    +1
    I just don’t understand))) what kind of applications can there be to the pocket Pind American UN when the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is inside Russia?: _)))
    1. old man54
      old man54 16 August 2013 21: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Free Island
      I just don’t understand))) what kind of applications can there be to the pocket Pind American UN when the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is inside Russia?: _)))

      Google - "international maritime law", read about the shelf, the economic zone and the rights to it of a separate state. Previously, this offshore economic zone consisted of 200 mill. Take a large map of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and measure (possibly roughly) 200 mill from our shores in it! You get a “no man's” economic nickel almost in the center of the sea, which the Japanese and other poachers have always used, catching fish there. Legally, there was nothing to be done. Now they also want to extend this situation to offshore hydrocarbons. hi
  42. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 16 August 2013 19: 01 New
    +1
    To the foregoing; The UN is an organization that depends on funding from the states that make up it. Since she is a non-profit organization. And who has a large share in financing, he expects a greater understanding of the officials of this organization. What is our share, such are the chances. And the strength of army muscles and the share of financing international institutions are indicators of a country's development and ability to protect its interests in the world, but In this case, these indicators complement each other, and do not act separately in order to resolve disputes on the shelf.
  43. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 17 August 2013 11: 48 New
    +1
    <<< The fate of Russian applications for the shelf depends on two factors, Kaznacheev explains. Continuation of the continental shelf must be scientifically proven. The second factor is the work of diplomats. >>>
    The second factor is the main and main! With the struggle for resources that is escalating in the world every day, and taking into account the influence of the States and the Western world in the UN and their attitude towards Russia, it is hardly worth hoping for the satisfaction of Russian applications! It is already widely believed in the world that the West has seized too much territory and wealth that supposedly belongs to the whole world, which Russia is not capable of mastering and many sharpen their teeth on these wealth and are ready, at least, to take part in their development!
  44. Lechik2000
    Lechik2000 17 August 2013 15: 34 New
    0
    Take a look from space maps - just like a shelf. And between it and Yapami hollow - let the suck wet ...
  45. morpogr
    morpogr 17 August 2013 16: 59 New
    0
    Our sea and the point, and let them prove to us that this is not so we did everything according to the rules, let them try to refute our evidence, while closing it to everyone else.
  46. fklj
    fklj 19 August 2013 12: 19 New
    0
    Making Okhotsk an inland sea of ​​Russia is simple. There would be political will and the Pacific Fleet
  47. clean water
    clean water 21 August 2013 18: 06 New
    0
    Quote: sasha.28blaga
    Something else must be applied to the evidence.

    And what is this mysterious "SOMETHING ELSE"?