The military-industrial complex of Ukraine - guns for fat

A paradoxical situation has developed in the defense industrial complex of Ukraine: with a high level of innovation and export potential, the industry is in a state of chronic crisis.

One of the main problems is poorly thought out and worse implementation of the defense reform. What measures should be taken to save the Ukrainian defense industry?

Reform: disappointing outcome

Over the next five years, the question of life and death for the majority of enterprises of the military-industrial complex (DIC) of Ukraine will be their ability to completely reorient themselves to export and find markets for their products abroad.

Moreover, this trend is caused not only and not so much by the chronic underfunding of the Ukrainian armed forces, which does not allow the implementation of modernization and rearmament programs in an appropriate amount. On March 25, 2012, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine approved the “Concept for the Reformation and Development of the Armed Forces of Ukraine until 2017”, according to which the reduction of the army and fleet twice (at present, the number of Ukrainian Armed Forces is 144 thousand people, by 2017 it will be 70 thousand).

In practical terms, the implementation of this reform will mean for the defense industry enterprises the largest decline in government defense orders in two decades. And this despite the fact that 12 of February of this year, Andrei Artyushenko, Director of the Department for Development and Procurement of Weapons and Military Equipment of the Ministry of Defense, noted: “The defense-industrial complex is loaded with military orders for only three to four percent of its capacity” ...

Despite the general problem situation in the industry, dozens of large enterprises of the Ukrainian “defense industry” not only maintained a stable mode of operation, but also managed to create significant potential for promising innovative developments. For example, in such areas as aircraft construction, armored vehicles, shipbuilding, radar and optoelectronic equipment, Ukrainian products are at the level of the best world analogues and are in steady demand in a number of countries. And at first glance, all the possibilities for increasing export volumes are open.

If it were not for one “but” ...

Back in 2010, the President of Ukraine set the task of modernizing and increasing the efficiency of the defense industry. As part of its directives, a large-scale reorganization of the military-industrial complex management structure was carried out: by decree of the Cabinet of Ministers No. 374 of 6 on April 2011 of the 125, existing defense enterprises became part of the state concern Ukroboronprom.

The intentions of the country's leadership were good, but in practice, instead of streamlining the situation in the industry, their implementation led to the acute problem of excessive administration, increased corruption and production stoppage at a number of previously stable enterprises.

As a result, the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, Andriy Klyuyev, was forced to state: “In 2010-2011, a number of tasks were set to increase the efficiency of the defense industry. Unfortunately, the effectiveness of their practical implementation is low. Problem issues are not resolved and continue to accumulate. ” Such were the disappointing results of the ambitious reforms of the military-industrial complex.

Chinese self-deception

The officials sitting in the chairs of the top managers of the state corporations of the military-industrial complex and in the offices of ministries sincerely considered themselves cool professionals and had no doubt that without much effort they could make a lot of money on export weapons. It seems that such high considerations were the basis for the ambitious program of military-technical cooperation between Ukraine and China. Figures were drawn such that it was breathtaking.

Recall that 16 in August 2010 of the year in the UNIAN news agency held a press conference of representatives of the Ministry of Industrial Policy of Ukraine under the following title: “Arms export to China will bring billions to Ukraine”. In particular, the meeting participants stated: “By 2013, the volume of exports of military products to China will reach the figure of 1,2 billion dollars.”

Such an encouraging start prompted the Cabinet of Ministers to join the process. On August 15, 2011, Mykola Azarov, during a meeting with the Chief of General Staff of the People’s Liberation Army of China, Colonel-General Chen Binde, said: "Ukraine is ready to intensify military cooperation, the exchange of military delegations, attachés, and expand the training of the Chinese military in higher educational institutions of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine." At the same time, the Ukrainian prime minister identified the creation of heavy transport aircraft, large-tonnage ships, hovercraft as the promising areas of the military-technical cooperation, and construction tanks and air defense equipment. The government was tasked with developing a ten-year bilateral cooperation program.

23 August 2012, Dmitry Peregudov, General Director of Ukrspetsexport GC, presented a report on the group's financial and economic indicators for 2009-2011, which, in particular, contained information on the five-year plan for the upcoming work. According to this document, for 2012-2017. "Ukrspetsexport" has planned to export weapons and military equipment worth 5 billion. At the same time, 45% of products are supposed to be delivered to Asian countries, among which the main place belongs to China.

The above-mentioned nine-digit numbers of imaginary profits, it seems, just intoxicated some "specialists" in the arms trade. Any military expert knows that the Chinese prefer a “cunning approach” in armament procurement. Official Beijing has long been committed not to massive imports, but to pumping out advanced technologies and frankly pirated copying of innovative weapons and military equipment produced in Ukraine.

A simple example: the People's Republic of China signed a contract with the Sea company for the supply of an amphibious assault ship Zubr in the amount of only four units. It is clear why: the Chinese will simply copy these single items and then begin to produce them on their own. That is, the Ukrainian enterprise as a result will remain, as they say, "with the nose."

The same picture is observed in the rest of Ukrainian enterprises that succumbed to Chinese self-deception: the Chinese either bought small batches of products or demanded the transfer of production technology in full. It will take some three or four years - and the Ukrainian products copied to the People's Republic of China will be forced out from the foreign markets by the Ukrainian exporters.

Bet on Russia

One of the main causes of the crisis situation in the Ukrainian economy as a whole and in the defense industry was the gap between the unified production and technological chains between the enterprises of Ukraine and Russia.

It is known that for two decades of the newest Ukrainian stories in our country, not a single new factory or research institute has been established. The specific character of the defense industry complex of Ukraine is that it has a closed production cycle only for a small amount of military products.

Mainly Ukrainian enterprises act as suppliers of a very extensive range of the most important components and equipment items. In this sense, the defense industry of Ukraine in a natural, objective way complements the defense industry of Russia.

For example, Ukrainian enterprises produce radar and optoelectronic equipment for Russian MiG and Su fighters, engines for Mi and Ka type helicopters, and so on. Back in 2010, a conference was held in Kiev: “Ukraine’s defense industry - problems and prospects”, during which the head of research programs of the Center for Army Research, Conversion and Disarmament Sergey Zgurets stressed how seriously Ukrainian enterprises depend on the Russian market: “When we talk about relationships Ukraine and Russia in the segment of the military-industrial complex, then half of our arms exports go to Russia. ” In other words, the defense industry enterprises of Ukraine and Russia "have nowhere to go from each other." They need each other.

Even 3 December 2012, a group of experts from the public council of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian government developed the analytical report “Russia as an importer of armaments: challenges and opportunities”, which emphasized that creating a fully autonomous Russian defense industry is impossible.

Accordingly, the interest of the Russian side in relation to Ukraine is not in the desire to steal R & D on the cheap, as China does, but in long-term cooperation within the framework of integrated structures, which will provide Ukrainian enterprises with permanent and stable orders. It seems that this is the only real path to the revival of the Ukrainian "defense".

What can the OPK give to “small” Ukrainians

At the time of independence, around 750 of defense industry enterprises with a total staff of 1,5 million were located on the territory of Ukraine. 140 scientific, technical and industrial organizations participated in the fulfillment of defense orders.

In general, Ukraine accounted for about 30% of the entire defense industry of the Soviet Union. Of course, over the past twenty years, the production capacity of the Ukrainian defense-industrial complex has noticeably decreased. Nevertheless, the industry confidently maintains its leading position in terms of innovative development, production of high value-added products. And subject to the adoption of economically verified measures for its revival, it can significantly contribute to solving the array of accumulated social problems that are considered intractable.

First of all, we should mention such an objectively favorable factor as the general, long-term increase in the level of military allocations of most countries of the world and the volume of the international arms market. This trend allows us to count on the possibility of a significant increase in export operations of defense-industrial enterprises of Ukraine.

Let us say more: such a measure, such as combining the efforts of Russian and Ukrainian enterprises in the markets of a number of foreign countries, will allow a full-fledged breakthrough in the development of the industry. This will mean the creation of a significant number of new jobs, the growth of wages in defense enterprises, a significant increase in revenues from enterprises in the sector to social items of the state budget.

So, due to the revival of the "defense" can be successfully solved the huge problem of military retirees, which today is a shaped disaster for the Pension Fund.

In addition, in the defense industry there is a fairly large number of so-called "dual-use technologies", suitable for use in "civilian" sectors of the economy, as well as in medicine, prevention of emergency situations and man-made disasters. The use of such technologies can give a new impetus to the development of the economy as a whole and help bring the country out of a state of many years of economic stagnation.

Comments

[Kars]

What can I say --- Kharkov tank this year came to a small profit.


Well, the article is rather mediocre.

[Kars]

Sergey Gromov: Net profit of Ukroboronprom Group for the first half of the year grew by 520%

In the first half of 2013, compared with the same period of 2012, the financial performance of the Concern enterprises noticeably improved. Net profit in the first half of the year amounted to 410 million hryvnia, compared with a loss of 97,6 million for the same period last year.

This was announced by the Director General of the Ukroboronprom Group of Companies Sergey Gromov.
According to S. Gromov, improvement of financial results is observed in all areas of the Concern’s activity. He emphasized that the largest growth in profitability was shown by shipbuilding enterprises, aircraft industry and special exporters.
“The profit of shipbuilding and marine engineering enterprises increased from 35 million hryvnias in the first half of 2012 to 221 million in the corresponding period of 2013. The performance of aviation industry enterprises increased over the indicated period from 80 million to 143 million hryvnias. The profit of special exporters is from 44 million to 64 million hryvnias, ”says Sergey Gromov.
According to him, even the deeply unprofitable enterprises of the Concern have demonstrated positive economic dynamics.
“Manufacturers of radar equipment, air defense, missile and artillery weapons and communications over the year overcame the crisis and ended the study period with a total profit of 7,5 million hryvnias, in contrast to the losses of 62 million in the first half of 2012. Significantly reduced losses of enterprises of armored, automotive, engineering and special equipment. In the first half of 2012, their total loss amounted to 173 million hryvnias, and in the corresponding period of 2013 decreased to 17 million. The enterprises producing missiles and ammunition reduced losses for the study period from 22 million to 11 million hryvnias, ” - said Sergey Gromov.

Sergey Gromov: The volume of production by enterprises of Ukroboronprom in the first half of the year increased by 31,1%

General Director of the Ukroboronprom Group of Companies Sergey Gromov announced an increase in the volume of products manufactured and sold by the Concern enterprises.

“The volume of manufactured products, works and services increased by 31,1% - from 4,5 billion hryvnias in the first half of 2012 to 5,9 billion in the corresponding period of the current year, primarily due to the doubling of production for export. The volume of sales increased by 55,3% from 4,5 billion hryvnias to 6,9 billion. Including for export - from 3 to 5,2 billion hryvnias, ”S. Gromov said.
According to him, the largest increase in finished products of the Concern was provided by SE “Lugansk Aircraft Repair Plant” - 14,4 million, JSC “Fiolent Plant” - 24,4 million, GP NPKG “Zorya-Mashproekt” - 201,2 million hryvnias .
In the first half of 2013, the Concern enterprises transferred UAH 1,3 billion to the budgets of all levels. The target indicator approved by the Concern for the year is 2,8 billion hryvnias.
Sergey Gromov emphasized that a slight increase in indicators of work and services in the domestic market is due to insufficient budget financing of government orders.
In his opinion, the effective activity of the defense industry enterprises is facilitated by their integration into the Concern. “Ukroboronprom is actually a vertically integrated structure. Earlier, the effectiveness of this format was proved in the field of non-ferrous and ferrous metallurgy, as well as the chemical industry, ”says S. Gromov.
He noted that a positive trend was achieved in the worsening global environment.
“Ukroboronprom is increasing its indicators, despite the decrease in the global arms and military equipment market by 0,5% in 2012, which occurred for the first time since 1988, according to studies by the Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI),” Sergei Gromov emphasized. Repost Reposted 0
Tags: Ukraine, Ukroboronprom, Ukspeceksport

[Flooding]

Quote: Kars

Net profit of Ukroboronprom Group for the first half-year increased by 520%

Quote: Kars

Net profit in the first half of the year amounted to 410 million hryvnia, compared with a loss of 97,6 million for the same period last year.

Kars, I'm having trouble this morning with math.
How is the figure of 520% ​​net profit growth? Did you take the second half of 2012?
because when compared with the same period last year, profit growth is billions of times! This I understand, there is something to boast about.
After all, as such, there was no net profit last year, it was negative.
And then the simple laws of mathematics ...

[andru_007]

Quote: Kars

What can I say --- Kharkov tank this year came to a small profit.

For twenty-two years of independence, it’s p .. what a success
Good photo, as I understand it, Oplot ...

[Kars]

Quote: andru_007

For twenty-two years of independence, it’s p .. what a success

Well, the Leningrad Tank Plant doesn’t boast of that anymore. And in such a period, for a tank plant, it really p ... what a success. The English tank factory closed, the French Leclerci haven't done for a long time.

[Zhenya]

Everything is logical, Europe is increasingly abandoning tanks, there is a gradual decline in output.

[Lord of the Sith]

In order to troll something, you must first study the issue, otherwise you may find yourself in a silly position!

[Ivan79]

Effective managers - they are so ... Burn nada with a hot iron!

[makst83]

I will say in the words of everyone's favorite cartoon character: "The military-industrial complex of Ukraine is a very strange object, it seems to exist, but it still does not exist"!)))

[Geisenberg]

Quote: makst83

I will say in the words of everyone's favorite cartoon character: "The military-industrial complex of Ukraine is a very strange object, it seems to exist, but it still does not exist"!)))

I’ll add from myself - and for free we do not need such patterns

[mazepa]

I agree about the managers.
Regarding the article, it is not clear why the author is jumping from exporting goods to other countries to re-equipping the national army. Do not do like this. It would be better to describe either export or refitting. Although I can’t agree that the situation here is very bad. Their good news: In Crimea set a world record for raising a helicopter to the maximum flight altitude. The modernized Mi-8MSB helicopter with TV3-117VMA-SBM1V 4E series engines rose to an altitude of 9150 meters and thereby blocked the ceiling of the last year, the press service of Motor Sich JSC reports.

[M. Peter]

The defense industry of Ukraine, it is part of the defense industry of the USSR, just like our Russian defense industry, one BUT, Russia corrects the situation, trying to get rid of the country's dependence, which is trying to enter into an unfriendly bloc. In a few years, Russia will have its own defense industry complex, Ukraine will have separate factories generating revenue from the sale of unique units, in pieces, to third world countries, and the defense industry itself, as we now understand, is unlikely. Well, it’s just that you cannot survive without cooperation with Russia, and Russia is giving up Ukraine.

[mazepa]

In the same way, they talked about gas, but we purchased 22% less gas from you in 4 months of 2013. We buy cheaper from an unfriendly block, a block that is not friendly to us does not wage trade wars, as Russia is now. Ukraine is not Belarus. Old Man simply has no where to go, your pressure on Belarus is bearing fruit. Here are quotes and videos of Lukashenko.

President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko criticized the Customs Union and stated that "Russia has deceived Belarus." He stated this at a press conference in Minsk.

The politician said that the Customs Union is not functioning, and Russia does not fulfill these promises when launching this project and "there is a team to Belarus not to let the Russian market."

“This is a very difficult process. It seems that someone should have started this in order to demonstrate: “Look at how I work in this direction!” It was so often in our relations with the Russian Federation, ”said the President of Belarus.

Meanwhile, Lukashenko believes that if the CU takes place according to classical principles that are accepted around the world, this will be good for Belarus: 170 million market, no barriers and barriers to trade.

“We are not afraid that Russia will strangle us - a huge monster, we are not afraid that it will come to our market. But Russia should not impede our movement either to Kazakhstan or to the Russian market, ”says Lukashenko.

He noted that while Russia is blocking the promotion of Belarusian goods on the Russian market.

"Do you remember -" sugar war "," milk war ", etc. The main ideologist and trade representative in Russia is Onishchenko. He is the main expert in Moldovan wines, and in Georgian waters, and in our meat-milk-sugar. You know how these levers are turned on, ”concluded the President of Belarus. News dated August 14, 2013.

[Zopuhhh]

Industry is dying, and you don’t need gas either, they found something to rejoice ...

[Grot.sereda]

Gas is mainly needed by industry and the public. Factories are shutting down, but the population will get by.

[M. Peter]

Quote: mazepa

In the same way, they talked about gas, but we purchased 22% less gas from you in 4 months of 2013. We buy cheaper from an unfriendly block, a block that is not friendly to us does not wage trade wars, as Russia is now.

This is the same as saying, they say I became more independent from the store, I began to buy 15% less ... Although this is most likely not an indicator of independence, rather than an indicator of decline.

[Zhenya]

God damn you! Well done, that the enterprises came out for profit, well done, that everything is fine with you, tired of this booth. Russia is bad, hammer in and don’t think about it, even if you refuse gas, we have a place to sell it.

[Grot.sereda]

In Ukraine, specialists from NATO countries and the United States have long been day and night. The technologies of the military-industrial complex, and they were created during the Soviet Union, are the most modern, long-plundered, and what moved, shot and flew, is dismantled to the last screw and is sold for next to nothing. The leaders who are "unwanted" by the new government are simply kicked out. This is the scenario of the State Department. Russia has already gone through this and fired at the White House from tanks. Is Ukraine worse than us? Beat your own so that strangers are afraid. Everything is repeated.

[sys-1985]

The military-industrial complex in full will not be anymore, and why is it for Ukraine ?! The conditions for joining any unions are almost a complete rejection of the full-scale production of something. If only there was no war.

[Pacifist]

In order to link the military-industrial complex of Russia and the defense industry of Ukraine, Russia needs to be confident in a partner, and in the current situation, the Ukrainian leadership has made it possible to forget about cooperation. That is why the level of cooperation is decreasing and the share of import substitution programs is increasing. Mention of a helicopter engine development program in Russia says nothing? Without deliveries of products to Russia, it is not sad for the patriots of Ukraine, the Ukrainian defense industry will die very quickly. China will suck it to the shell and throw it away, while Europe’s products of the Ukrainian defense industry didn’t fall. These are the pies with kittens. And not Russia refuses Ukraine, but b ... I’m the position of the Ukrainian leadership has paid off, which is extremely sad for Ukraine and Russia. They made one geopolitical mistake, they swept the country. The Russian leadership made conclusions, but the Ukrainian leadership did not seem to have played enough ... only this is a game on the graves.

[Flooding]

Quote: Pacifist

China will suck it to the shell and throw it away, while Europe’s products of the Ukrainian defense industry didn’t fall.

It is so obvious that you are amazed at the naivete of some opponents.
Of course, Ukraine will rely not on Europe, but on Africa, Southeast Asia, and they will try to lick on South America.
But what can they offer when the T-72 storages are empty and the contracts for the supply of new equipment are not fulfilled? But everything goes to that.
They will probably try to cooperate with other players in the market.
As in particular, they are trying now with Poland.

[igor67]

Quote: Pacifist

In order to link the military-industrial complex of Russia and the defense industry of Ukraine, Russia needs to be confident in a partner, and in the current situation, the Ukrainian leadership has made it possible to forget about cooperation. That is why the level of cooperation is decreasing and the share of import substitution programs is increasing. Mention of a helicopter engine development program in Russia says nothing? Without deliveries of products to Russia, it is not sad for the patriots of Ukraine, the Ukrainian defense industry will die very quickly. China will suck it to the shell and throw it away, while Europe’s products of the Ukrainian defense industry didn’t fall. These are the pies with kittens. And not Russia refuses Ukraine, but b ... I’m the position of the Ukrainian leadership has paid off, which is extremely sad for Ukraine and Russia. They made one geopolitical mistake, they swept the country. The Russian leadership made conclusions, but the Ukrainian leadership did not seem to have played enough ... only this is a game on the graves.

You are wrong, he worked for many years in the Soviet, and then in the Ukrainian OPK, and so after the collapse of the Union, when Kravchuk and Yeltsin signed a friendship agreement and even more, ours went for repair kits, everything seems to be legal, only Russian enterprises received a directive from the "Top" Ukraine does not sell or supply anything, so the big question is who threw whom, and what they signed there in Pushcha

[Pacifist]

I will not argue, not because I can’t find the arguments, but because the topic is extremely painful. Belovezhskaya’s betrayal is a separate sore subject ... During the time of joint independence, so many have accumulated that you can list volumes, but since the beginning of 2000 there have been several attempts to begin mutual movement to meet each other ... and all failed with ... from my point of view actions Ukrainian authorities ... in general, a very painful impression of all this ...

[igor67]

Quote: Pacifist

I will not argue, not because I can’t find the arguments, but because the topic is extremely painful. Belovezhskaya’s betrayal is a separate sore subject ... During the time of joint independence, so many have accumulated that you can list volumes, but since the beginning of 2000 there have been several attempts to begin mutual movement to meet each other ... and all failed with ... from my point of view actions Ukrainian authorities ... in general, a very painful impression of all this ...

Why again Ukraine? Remember Tymoshenko’s first term? Also, for the theft of gas and: something related to the Russian Ministry of Defense, I remember even Putin filed a lawsuit against him in Interpol, and then they all removed and forgot the miracle and again accepted the paradox in the Kremlin!

[sania0413]

it seems to me, or the title and photo of the article can be offensive to someone?

[Flooding]

Quote: sania0413

it seems to me, or the title and photo of the article can be offensive to someone?

Honestly, at first I did not pay attention.
Indeed, the picture is outrageous.

[Rider]

Quote: Flood

Indeed, the picture is outrageous.

but in my opinion it’s extremely symbolic.

[mazepa]

I noticed. I just did not start writing about it. Americans are joking about vodka, bears and balalaikas about Russia, and our northern neighbor is apparently pouring his anger on the neighbors. He also didn’t answer because it’s stupid, Russia also sells its equipment, but how would they react with T90 with the Russian flag with vodka? Please do not associate. There are a lot of people in Ukraine who treat Russians just like Russians treat them.

[M. Peter]

Quote: mazepa

There are a lot of people in Ukraine who treat Russians just like Russians treat them.

I'm afraid to shock you, but in Russia there are enough such people.
For example, a neighbor drunk is unlikely to cause a bunch of positive reviews, usually the opposite. You know, he can be either Russian or not. Do not pay attention to this. You have a reassessment of the Ukrainian question on the part of Russians, and indeed Russia itself. As a rule, everyone here is parallel to us, only those who were somehow connected by family ties or something else are interested.

[smiths xnumx]

"Peremoga" of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex

On October 10, 2009, the Ukrainian state-owned company Spetstechnoexport signed a contract with the Military Industrial Corporation (MIC) of the Ministry of Defense of Sudan through the mediation of the Sudanese company El Shaheed Ibrahim Shamseldeen Complex For Heavy Industries for the supply of a large batch of ground weapons, including 110 main tanks T-72M1, 60 modernized T-55M tanks and 120 armored personnel carriers BTR-3E1. The tanks came from the presence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine with subsequent repairs, and the BTR-3E1 was to be supplied by a new production of the State Enterprise "Kiev Mechanical Repair Plant". The BTR-3E1 was to be supplied with a standard set of individual spare parts, additional protection and a new, cheaper Shturm-3MS combat module (the main differences are the absence of the Barrier anti-tank missile system and a 30-mm grenade launcher, the location of the sighting system was changed). The total cost of armored vehicles sold under this contract to Sudan was about 70 million euros, and the supplementary agreement to it provided for the supply of spare parts for at least another 7 million euros. This was to become only the first part of deliveries of ground equipment and weapons to Sudan from Ukraine under the so-called "big contract" worth several hundred million euros.
During 2010-2012, Ukraine, according to the data it provided to the UN Register of Conventional Arms, delivered a total of 110 T-72M1 tanks to Sudan (in fact, as can be judged, this refers to the T-72A from the presence with the installation of the mounted explosive reactive armor "Contact- 1 "), 60 T-55M tanks, 30 BMP-1, 10 BRDM-2, 41 self-propelled howitzer 2S1 of 122 mm caliber, 30 combat vehicles MLRS BM-21 Grad 122 mm, and one modernized armored personnel carrier BTR-70Di in the form of a command and staff vehicle.

In contrast to the sale of old equipment, the implementation of the contract for the supply of 120 BTR-3E1 BTR-2010E2011 to Sudan faced serious difficulties. At the end of 3, the State Enterprise "Kiev Mechanical Repair Plant" was able to send only the first two armored personnel carriers to Sudan, and in 1 - only eight more BTR-2012E3. Due to chronic delays in the execution of the contract and the revealed unsatisfactory quality of the ten vehicles already received, the Sudanese side in 1 canceled the contract regarding the supply of the BTR-110EXNUMX and refused to receive the remaining XNUMX units.
Thus, the BTR-3 in Sudan repeated the fate of these machines in the UAE (the starting customer that financed its development), Myanmar, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan - when, after receiving small batches of BTR-3, customers refused to receive this equipment further.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/594362.html

And here is another "pride" of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex - BTR-4 ship with the next batch of which is still dangling in the Indian Ocean, although they say it is already heading to India, which is the largest producer of scrap metal in the world. In the meantime, Ukraine trades in stocks left over from the former USSR (T-72, BMP-1, BTR-70,2S1 "Carnation", etc.), and Ukrainian "homemade products on the knee" regularly end up with a marriage. fulfill the contract with Thailand for the supply of tanks "Oplot". Something like that. Sala Hero! Death to curds! Yours faithfully!

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Paramog "of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex

Wow, last year's news))))

But Thailand takes all the same BTR-3s, and the deliveries are regular. And what kind of background is it with Sudan, especially after the outbreak of the civil war, and problems with legal exports - you need to be disassembled.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

PK-BTR-4 ship with the next batch of which is still hanging

How not yet unloaded and not arrested for the auction? Well then.

[smiths xnumx]

Wow, last year's news))))

But Thailand takes all the same BTR-3s, and the deliveries are regular. And what kind of background is it with Sudan, especially after the outbreak of the civil war, and problems with legal exports - you need to be disassembled.

The news is not of the first freshness, but the BTR-80A (BTR-3 is just the Ukrainian modification of the BTR-80) Sudan takes and actively uses them (2 contracts for 30 units each in 2000 and 2005)

http://www.army-guide.com/rus/countrys.php?countryID=94

During 2010-2012, Ukraine, according to the data it provided to the UN Register of Conventional Arms, delivered a total of 110 T-72M1 tanks to Sudan (in fact, as can be judged, this refers to the T-72A from the presence with the installation of the mounted explosive reactive armor "Contact- 1 "), 60 T-55M tanks, 30 BMP-1, 10 BRDM-2, 41 self-propelled howitzer 2S1 of 122 mm caliber, 30 combat vehicles MLRS BM-21" Grad "of 122 mm caliber, as well as one modernized armored personnel carrier BTR-70Di in the version of a command-staff vehicle and there were no problems with legal export (the last deliveries were already in 2012). But with the "nezalezhny" BTR-3 problem. Only "the damned Putin reached out"

How not yet unloaded and not arrested for the auction? Well then.

And what has already been unloaded and arrested? Do not share the link. Currently, SE PACIFICA hangs out on the roads of the port of Fujairah, UAE. Already 5 days. And before that, it really stuck in the Persian Gulf for several months. Here you can see:

http://www.shipfinder.com/main/defaultwork?searchKey=SE%20PACIFICA&tp=1

Here's a link to Jane's Defense Weekly by the way:

"Iraq has reportedly refused to take delivery of another consignment of Ukrainian BTR-4 armored personnel carriers (APCs) due to defects."

http://www.janes.com/article/25704/iraq-btr-4-delivery-delayed

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[smiths xnumx]

At the same time, by the way, do not enlighten the "amateur" to count the tanks under the Cyprus contract with Russia about this:

“I was an army receiver. Do not confuse with a factory receiver. I tested this piece of iron in conditions that may occur during operation. Index “E” means that the products are exported and not intended for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. For the Armed Forces of Ukraine, another version of this product is provided - BTR-4M. However, it still exists only in the drawings. Of the seven options (projects) - not one was approved.

But back to the tests. Representatives of the Kharkov plant as they recognized my "mandatory program", so immediately twisted. Calls to Kiev began, after which some test cycles were simply removed.

Yes, I forgot to say. On the BTR-4 there is generally no tactical and technical task (TTZ - regulatory and technical documents in the development and production system for military equipment that establish a set of requirements for the content, scope and timing of research or development work, - Ed.) . In other words, the country did not order such an APC. This is a personal initiative of comrades from Ukroboronprom, Ukrspetseksprot and the breeders themselves. Without TTZ and the corresponding resolution of the relevant committee (on defense) of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, this is a self-made gun.

The second one. During the 20 days of the “lightweight” tests initiated by the plant, we identified 35 deficiencies in the machine’s body, 39 shortcomings in the combat module, five shortcomings in the power plant ...

One such drawback in Soviet times would mean sending equipment for revision. And if there are two or more, then this is a blockage. Full. In short, the car is not just r ... but r ... but in a cube! I finally advised the guys from the factory to often go to the Internet or watch Al-Jazeera so as not to miss the moment when their cars would blaze en masse on the battlefields. And then he learned that all the armored personnel carriers bought by Iraq are constantly in storage, under canopies. The army categorically refuses to ride them. That’s all love. ”

http://dumskaya.net/news/zastryavshie-posredi-persidskogo-zaliva-ukrainsk-028622
/

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I was an army receiver.

Thanks, he laughed))) again from the Duma.))) There they should already be unloading and the OWNER personally negotiates with India)))

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

but the BTR-80A

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

2 contracts for 30 units each in 2000 and 2005)

We look at the years - and think about it - it can be seen from the experience of operating 80A, the Sudanese decided not to take them anymore, and ordered BTR-3 from Ukraine. And then the war started and they were not up to new expensive toys.

[smiths xnumx]

Thanks, he laughed))) again from the Duma.))) There they should already be unloading and the OWNER personally negotiates with India)))

Consequently, Iraq did not accept the armored personnel carriers. Well, we are waiting for the next squeals from Tarasenko and Kotobred about the great "overmog" of Ukraine, which delivered the BTR-4 to India. By the way, "Ukrspetsexport" so OFFICIALLY did not confirm, but also did not refute the information of "Dumskaya" about the unwillingness of the Iraqi side to accept armored personnel carriers.

We look at the years - and think about it - it can be seen from the experience of operating 80A, the Sudanese decided not to take them anymore, and ordered BTR-3 from Ukraine. And then the war started and they were not up to new expensive toys.

We look. The cost of a batch of 30 BTR-80A-15 million dollars, i.e. the cost of an armored personnel carrier is 500 dollars

http://www.army-guide.com/rus/countrys.php?countryID=94

... The Sudanese took the T-72, BMP-1, "Carnations", even the ancient T-55Ms, and what is most interesting, they found money for them, and sanctions did not prevent Ukraine from placing them in a belligerent country, but the "newest" BTR-3E1 was not taken , so there may be a problem in the BTR-3 itself. Or maybe the problem is again in the position of Ukraine, which decided to supply weapons to ours and yours and to Sudan and its main enemy South Sudan ("Faina" and T-72). Now the situation is similar with Azerbaijan, which was also "supposedly going to buy" Oplots " and BTR-3, about which there were many yells in the ukrnet and even purchased 3 BTR-3E1

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C1%D2%D0-3

, and eventually came to the T-90 and BTR-82A

http://warfiles.ru/show-36695-sudan-v-2012-godu-annuliroval-kontrakt-na-postavku
-ukrainskih-btr-3e1.html

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Consequently, Iraq did not accept armored personnel carriers.

Therefore - it does not prove anything. Especially poor quality.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

We look. The cost of a batch of 30 BTR-80A-15 million dollars, i.e. the cost of an armored personnel carrier is 500 dollars

In what year was it? And do not compare stuff with BTR-3

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

The Sudanese took the T-72, BMP-1, "Carnations", even the ancient T-55M, and what is most interesting, they found money for them, and sanctions did not prevent Ukraine from putting them in a belligerent country

You look at the dates, you can understand. When that went, and how quickly. B / y took immediately, as it was - and the BTR-3 must be made, and then the fighting began.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Otoraya decided to supply weapons to ours and yours and Sudan and its main enemy South Sudan ("Faina" and T-72).

By the way, you don’t know about the campaign.

in Mombasa September 25, 2008 the ship was captured by Somali pirates

How much before the war? How much before the formation of South Sudan?

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and eventually came to the T-90 and BTR-82A

How did it go? There is no mention in the link. Or did you dig a T-90 somewhere in Sudan?

[smiths xnumx]

Therefore - it does not prove anything. Especially poor quality.

What are you talking about, that the ship from March (loading armored personnel carriers in Odessa, google) through August just hangs out at sea and does not unload. Back in February 2013, the representative of the Iraqi Parliament’s Security and Defense Commission, Shivan Muhammad Taha, accused Ukraine of supplying low-quality BTR-4s to the Iraqi army and disrupting delivery dates for this contract.

“An investigation into the supply of arms to Iraq by Ukraine revealed corruption in the third part of the contract regarding the sale of 420 armored personnel carriers, of which only about 100 are currently delivered, despite the fact that several years have passed since the ratification of the contract,” he said. According to the deputy, in the course of the investigation it was established that all the armored personnel carriers delivered were “very old, corps rusty, cars unsuitable for use”.

http://sdelanounas.in.ua/blogs/38028/.

... Or about the fact that already at Jane's Defense Weekly he writes that Iraq does not accept Ukrainian armored personnel carriers because of their poor quality, I repeat especially for you, for an encore:

"Iraq has reportedly refused to take delivery of another consignment of Ukrainian BTR-4 armored personnel carriers (APCs) due to defects."

http://www.janes.com/article/25704/iraq-btr-4-delivery-delayed

No need to pull the facts, and the best confirmation of your words will be a video with the unloading of the BTR-4 from a ship in Iraq.

[smiths xnumx]

In what year was it? And do not compare stuff with BTR-3

Again, specifically for you encore, 2 contracts for 30 units each in 2000 and 2005

http://www.army-guide.com/rus/countrys.php?countryID=94

... What trash are you talking about. Stop raving. This "trash" in your opinion is being bought by half the world (Iraq, Venezuela, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Sudan, then google yourself, beggars have no servants), the same Ukraine sells it, supplies BTR-80 to Iraq, and the "newest" BTR- 3 (the same BTR-80, only with a Ukrainian module), practically no one needs it and the UAE (the starting customer that financed its development), Myanmar, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Sudan also abandoned it. Thailand alone is somehow holding on. Or that Ukraine broke the Iraqi contract, carried out on an uncontested basis (without a tender, in gratitude for the participation of the Ukrainian brigade in the occupation of Iraq). It looks like you are repeating the story with "fools, Arabs and blacks" again.

You look at the dates, you can understand. When that went, and how quickly. B / y took immediately, as it was - and the BTR-3 must be made, and then the fighting began.

In Sudan, a civil war has been going on since its founding between Muslim Arabs from the North and Christian Negroes from the South, while African countries bordering South Sudan support the rebels. Learn the materiel. In January 2005, the parties agreed that South Sudan will enjoy autonomy for 6 years, after which the issue of independence of this territory will be put to a referendum, and oil revenues during this period are divided equally between the government and the rebels. and in 2011, after a referendum, South Sudan gained independence. So leave your tales to yourself.

How did it go? There is no mention in the link. Or did you dig a T-90 somewhere in Sudan?

Don't jump over, I'm certainly your favorite method to find fault with words, especially when there are no arguments, where did I write about the T-90 in Sudan? I wrote about another epic "ukroperemoge" in Azerbaijan, where, as the "competent" Tarasenko and Kotobred shouted, they had to adopt the "Oplot" and the BTR-3E, and in the end they adopted the T-90 and BTR-82A, here's my phrase :

Now the situation is similar with Azerbaijan, which was also "supposedly going to buy" Oplots "and BTR-3, about which there were many yells in the Ukrnet and even bought 3 BTR-3E1
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C1%D2%D0-3
, and eventually came to the T-90 and BTR-82A

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Where did I write about the T-90 in Sudan?

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Now the situation is similar with Azerbaijan, which was also "supposedly going to buy" Oplots "and BTR-3, about which there were many yells in the Ukrnet and even bought 3 BTR-3E1
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C1%D2%D0-3
and eventually came to T-90 and BTR-82A

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C1%D2%D0-3, а в итоге пришел к Т-90 и БТР-82А
http://warfiles.ru/show-36695-sudan-v-2012-godu-annuliroval-kontrakt-na-postavku



-ukrainskih-btr-3e1.html

So ring, they wrote the T-90 themselves

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Again, specifically for you encore, 2 contracts for 30 units each in 2000 and 2005

And the contract for the BTR-3 was planned for 2012, which is not clear to you.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

and in 2011, after a referendum, South Sudan gained independence. So keep your tales

So that's why they couldn’t deliver to South Sudan before that, well, you’re just like a storyteller as you come up with.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

In January 2005, the parties agreed that South Sudan would enjoy autonomy for 6 years,

And there is a right to purchase weapons? Can you bring a contract agreement between UkspetsExport and SOUTH Sudan.?

Arab-Israeli war (1947-1949)
The first civil war in Sudan (1955-1972)
The Second Civil War in Sudan (1983-2005)
Border Conflict with Egypt (1995)
Darfur Conflict (since 2003)

[smiths xnumx]

So ring, they wrote the T-90 themselves

Kars, you are being treated, I repeat once again that I had in mind the T-90 in Azerbaijan, although if Sudan buys the T-90 I will only be glad. Although the ratio of sales of T-90 and "Oplot" (2500 against 49) and T-72 and T-64 (many against ZERO) does not play in any way.

So that's why they couldn’t deliver to South Sudan before that, well, you’re just like a storyteller as you come up with.

Ukraine supplied arms and military equipment to South Sudan, which were used in the confrontation between the Sudan People's Liberation Army and the South Sudan Liberation Army. According to the international human rights organization Amnesty International, it was deliveries of Ukrainian, as well as Chinese and Sudanese military equipment, weapons and ammunition that provoked an aggravation of the conflict in 2010-2011 in the state of Al Wahda.

According to the organization, Ukraine delivered the main battle tanks T-72 to South Sudan, which were used by the Sudan People's Liberation Army, in particular, to fire at civilians. Amnesty International was able to document the presence of five main battle tanks in the city of Mayom in the state of El Wahda, including three T-72M1 delivered to the country by Ukraine in 2009 through Kenya and Uganda. Amnesty International does not specify the total supply of Ukrainian equipment.

According to the Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), in 2007-2009 Ukraine supplied 11 BM-21 Grad multiple launch rocket systems to South Sudan, as well as 77 T-72M1 main battle tanks. According to the UN register for the supply of conventional weapons in 2007-2010, Ukraine supplied Kenya, Uganda, Chad and Congo more than 58 thousand units of assault rifles, heavy and light machine guns and pistols.

Calm down Kars, especially since your "square" famous woman of easy virtue: ours for a penny will dance.

And there is a right to purchase weapons? Can you bring a contract agreement between UkspetsExport and SOUTH Sudan.?

Or maybe you still have the moon from heaven. read above and continue to carry the next nonsense.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I repeat again what T-90 meant

you never know what you mean, but you wrote about the T-90 in Sudan.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

According to the organization, Ukraine delivered the main battle tanks T-72 to South Sudan, which were used by the Sudan People's Liberation Army

)))))) aren’t they funny? They put the tanks in South Sudan and used Sudan. This is all black PR and failed to prove it.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Or maybe you still have the moon from heaven. read above and continue to carry the next nonsense

Well, I read your next nonsense, but the fact that you can’t bring anything can be understood.

The information about Ukraine’s deliveries of tanks to the territory of South Sudan in 2007-2009, disseminated by the human rights organization Amnesty International, is based on outdated data.
This was stated by a source close to the state-owned company Ukrspetsexport, Interfax-Ukraine reports.
According to the source, the episode alleging the delivery of Ukrainian T-72 tanks under a contract with the Kenyan Ministry of Defense in 2008, which allegedly was delivered to South Sudan, received international publicity thanks to the exposure of the Wikileaks website in December 2010.
“Having gone through the stage of the“ information boom ”, the disclosures of Wikileaks themselves have become the subject of international judicial review, and now, we can say, they have“ expired statutes of limitations, ”the source said.
He also noted that the situation with the tank contract was commented by officials of Ukraine, including the management of the state company Ukrspetsexport at the stage of conclusion and implementation of the contract.
“The essence of these statements can be summarized: the accusations against Ukraine are unfounded and did not have an official evidence base,” the source emphasized.

[smiths xnumx]

you never know what you mean, but you wrote about the T-90 in Sudan.

Think what you want, however, the T-90 in Sudan, unfortunately not, do not lose hope that they will be there over time.

)))))) aren’t they funny? They put the tanks in South Sudan and used Sudan. This is all black PR and failed to prove it.

Kars, I get the impression that you are either lazy or stupid so much that you don’t know how to use Google. Especially for you:

Sudan People's Liberation Army. The Sudan Liberation People's Army is the ruling political movement in South Sudan, a former rebel group that fought first for autonomy and then for the independence of the southern Negro-Christian provinces of Sudan from the Arab-Islamic government. Founded in 1983 by John Garang. Since 2005, she has been observing a ceasefire, and the leader of the organization was ex officio Vice President of Sudan. It was supported by the governments of Ethiopia and Uganda. July 9, 2011 The Republic of South Sudan became an independent state. After gaining independence in 2011, the NEA will form the core of the armed forces of South Sudan.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Народно-освободительная_армия_Судана

Black PR, what? Ukraine and "Ukrspetsexport", so you can't wash a black dog white.

Well, I read your next nonsense, but the fact that you can’t bring anything can be understood.

And what did you bring the source of OBS (one woman said)

This was stated by a source close to the state-owned company Ukrspetsexport, Interfax-Ukraine reports.

In short, no one can be called anything. Where is the OFFICIAL refutation of "Ukrspetsexport" - it is not, just as there is no refutation of the information "Dumskaya" about disrupting the supply of armored personnel carriers to Iraq.
Well, also for you about "Faina"

Why does Kiev have such, to put it mildly, strange partners in the arms business, among whom separatists predominate, fighting for independence by force? The Ukrainian political scientist Vladimir Skachko answered this question in an interview with Pravda.Ru ... For the first time they started talking about arms ties between Ukraine and South Sudan in 2008, when Kiev lit up with a load of weapons on the ship Faina, hijacked in September of the same year Somali pirates. And although the destination of the ship was Kenya, everything indicated that it was a transit country, and the cargo was destined for South Sudan ... It should be added to these words that they started talking about Ukraine's dark affairs in South Sudan thanks to ... the above-mentioned Somali pirates. Angered by the long delay in the ransom, they publicly announced that the cargo was not going to Kenya, but in a "more northerly direction", and they simply wanted to "collect taxes from illegal trade."

However, after the ransom was received and Faina was released, the scandal was forgotten. The tanks on board somehow slipped out of sight of the journalists. But now they are talking about Ukrainian tanks again. And it is not at all excluded that "Faina" was by no means the only ship with a cargo of weapons to the South Sudanese rebels.

Better learn the materiel Kars, so as not to look like a complete idiot and be cured of the "Tarasenko syndrome"

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Still T-90 in Sudan

Well, at least they learned something new.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Sudan People's Liberation Army.

There is also the People's Liberation Army of SOUTH Sudan))))

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

And what did you bring the source of OBS (one woman said)

And you brought an even worse source - which did not provide any evidence. And to prove that it is not a camel)))

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

In short, no one can be called. Where is the OFFICIAL refutation of "Ukrspetsexport" -

Are you sure that it is not there, and why refute what is not?

Yes, you clowns mate part nedaetsa.

[smiths xnumx]

Well, at least they learned something new.

I didn't plan to learn anything new from you. One inconceivable nonsense ("Tarasenko syndrome") about the superiority of Ukrainian technical thought.

There is also the People's Liberation Army of SOUTH Sudan))))

And there is also your stupidity, evasion and unwillingness to admit, the obvious facts that practically no one in the world needs, and those who managed to vparit them (the same Iraq and Sudan) spit at the mere mention of them.

And you brought an even worse source - which did not provide any evidence. And to prove that it is not a camel)))

Well, how can Amnesty International and SIPRI, to a source close to the state-owned Ukrspetsexport. "Haberdasher and Cardinal-Great Power". Kars, at least you yourself understand that you are funny and are nonsense.

Are you sure that it is not there, and why refute what is not?

Yes, you clowns mate part nedaetsa.

if it is, show or give a link. Continue to make me laugh further pea jester, I'll go for popcorn. Treat for "Tarasenko syndrome"

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I did not plan to learn anything new from you.

Well, what you planned does not interest anyone.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

) spit at the mere mention of them.

But the fact is that your link turned out to be nonsense, where even they don’t know who is fighting.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Well, where are Amnesty International and SIPRI

And who are they? Private organizations and nothing more. Moreover, no sanctions have been imposed on Ukraine.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Continue to make me laugh further pea jester, I'll go for popcorn. Treat for "Tarasenko syndrome"

Not better for valerian))) after all, already in the fifth or sixth news with the perseverance of the insane, post about delays with the Iraqi contract)))

[smiths xnumx]

Well, what you planned does not interest anyone.

Clearly nothing more to say.

But the fact is that your link turned out to be nonsense, where even they don’t know who is fighting.

And your link then is complete nonsense with a slight touch of dibilism. A source close to the state-owned company Ukrspetsexport, Interfax-Ukraine reports. I'm straight from you under the table with laughter. Powerful frankly speaking source, just the same AUTHORITY.

And who are they? Private organizations and nothing more. Moreover, no sanctions have been imposed on Ukraine.

Well, they will be more authoritative than an unnamed source close to the state-owned company Ukrspetsexport, as reported by Interfax-Ukraine. Keep making me laugh further. Russia in 2011 supplied Sudan with 23 MiG-29s and no sanctions followed either.

And who are they? Private organizations and nothing more. Moreover, no sanctions have been imposed on Ukraine.

No valerian whose I leave you, a tantrum in age. I still have everything in order with the nerves. And not in all, but in the second, concerning the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, the latest bullshit named Kars, I can remind you how you FIVE days with foam at the mouth proved to me that Russia did not fulfill the contract for the supply of T-80U to Cyprus, and when I proved the opposite to you with official documents, cowardly fled from the branch.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Clearly nothing more to say.

Is something clear to you? It's nonsense))) Well, at least they found out that the T-90 is not in Sudan.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I'm straight from you under the table with laughter. Powerful frankly speaking source, just the same AUTHORITY.

A fact on the face - there is no sanction, and you can’t bring anything other than your beloved OBS. And officially to refute this))

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

. Russia in the 2011 year delivered the Sudan 23 MiG-29 and also no sanctions followed

)) Well, you and the clown)) Sudan, you would have delivered something to the South, or you would have proved that Ukraine delivered something. But you can see the aggravation - you do not distinguish between Sudan. like periods of military operations.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

No valerian whose leave you

as you can see, you need it.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

hysterical age.

if you wrote your nickname correctly, I’m younger than you))

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

And not in all, but in the second, concerning the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, delirious nonsense

Five times already fasted)) and even in articles not directly related to the Ukrainian defense industry ..

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

you FIVE days with foam at the mouth proved to me that Russia did not fulfill the contract for the supply of T-80 to Cyprus,

And now it’s hard to see. It’s been delivered for a long time. But compared to your joke, when they themselves brought a link to a source in Uganda, but were not able to read it)))

[Kars]

I decided to see your comments --- YOU The clown even in the article about Sapspn was not too lazy to re-post about Sudan's refusal of the BTR-3)))) Well, you have to be so turned)))) you are very sick))))

[smiths xnumx]

Quote: Kars

I decided to see your comments --- YOU The clown even in the article about Sapspn was not too lazy to re-post about Sudan's refusal of the BTR-3)))) Well, you have to be so turned)))) you are very sick))))

"Peregrine Falcon", another enchanting're coming out "peremoga" "unparalleled in the world." I'm certainly not a doctor. but I can diagnose you: the "Tarasenko" virus. The virus is named by the name of the first sick person and is treated if it does not become chronic. There is also a virus "kotobluda", a serious illness of the nervous system (sometimes called chronic trident syndrome), causes a terrible allergy to goods produced in Russia, when seeing goods made in Ukraine falls into ecstasy the patient does not behave adequately, often sings "Ukraine has not died yet" , sometimes the patient has an exacerbation. Well, don't worry, the orderlies have already left. keep on hysterical hysterical. These attempts of yours are simply ridiculous. I repeat once again, I have a Ukrainian clown named Kars today.

[smiths xnumx]

Is something clear to you? It's nonsense))) Well, at least they found out that the T-90 is not in Sudan.

I knew about the absence of the T-90 in Sudan without you. And never doubted their absence there.

A fact on the face - there is no sanction, and you can’t bring anything other than your beloved OBS. And officially to refute this))

how many times have I called you "expert" to learn the materiel, so that later you will not be poked with a muzzle, But you do not obey. We'll have to repeat this moment:

Sudan-July 30, 2004 through the adoption of Resolution 1556 (2004); Until now, the arms embargo
Travel ban
Asset freeze

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D1%E0%ED%EA%F6%E8%E8_%CE%CE%CD

)) Well, you and the clown)) Sudan, you would have delivered something to the South, or you would have proved that Ukraine delivered something. But you can see the aggravation - you do not distinguish between Sudan. like periods of military operations.

The clown is just you. There are sanctions, including and the supply of weapons, link above. It’s just that they are spit on by Russia and China and even Ukraine. So keep pulling the owl on the globe of Ukraine. I repeat to you, learn the materiel.

as you can see, you need it.

No, drink it yourself. Ask your doctors for help.

if you wrote your nickname correctly, I’m younger than you))

Moreover: so young and already spoiled nerves. You do not take care of yourself in defending the "achievements" of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. Get medical treatment. Secondly, I didn’t switch to you, and I didn’t drink brotherhood, take the trouble to behave politely young man.

Five times already fasted)) and even in articles not directly related to the Ukrainian defense industry ..

Link to the studio, not empty bullshit. Even on this site, the topic of failures in the supply of Ukrainian armored personnel carriers to Iraq was discussed twice. And in one of the discussions I did not even participate.

[smiths xnumx]

And now it’s hard to see. It’s been delivered for a long time. But compared to your joke, when they themselves brought a link to a source in Uganda, but were not able to read it)))

In my opinion, I admitted a mistake, unlike some clown-"expert", who at first FIVE days proved otherwise. and then, pressed to the wall with OFFICIAL documents, began to wag like a woman of easy virtue, and I am not me, Wikipedia is to blame and everything else, and then cowardly merged.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Iraq Sivan Muhammad Taha accused Ukraine of supplying low-quality BTR-4 to the Iraqi army and disrupting delivery dates for this contract

And? Why did they armored personnel carriers were loaded onto the ship, and Iraq has not yet terminated the contract. Although it was easier to break it up in February, and to show marriage at the trial.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Or about the fact that already at Jane's Defense Weekly he writes that Iraq does not accept Ukrainian armored personnel carriers because of their poor quality, I repeat especially for you, for an encore:

And what else should he write? Maybe there is a photo of the marriage there?

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

No need to pull the facts, and the best confirmation of your words will be a video with the unloading of the BTR-4 from a ship in Iraq.

And even this will prove nothing to you anyway, you will look for a corruption component.

[smiths xnumx]

And? Why did they armored personnel carriers were loaded onto the ship, and Iraq has not yet terminated the contract. Although it was easier to break it up in February, and to show marriage at the trial.

I cannot be responsible for Iraqi politicians. The contract was imposed on Iraq by the Americans, who paid for it. But the fact that Iraq is trying to get off of it is visible to the naked eye: performances by Iraqi officials, constant scandals, refusal to accept another party.

And what else should he write? Maybe there is a photo of the marriage there?

What else should he write? He, as an official, on the contrary, had to inform that the contract was being carried out normally, and was pleased with the quality of Ukrainian weapons. I didn’t see the marriage photo. maybe there is, but I think the warring Iraq does not refuse a good life to accept the BTR-4 party.

And even this will prove nothing to you anyway, you will look for a corruption component.

Personally, this will prove a lot to me and I'm not going to look for any components. I will heartily rejoice for the successes of Ukrainian gunsmiths who have adequately refuted all kinds of "dirty innuendo". But I'm afraid that won't happen.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I can not answer for Iraqi politicians

Then don't be sick.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

He, as an official, on the contrary, had to inform that the contract was being carried out normally, and was pleased with the quality of Ukrainian weapons.

Why is it that if they want to get rid of the contract.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

but I think the warring Iraq does not refuse a good life to accept the BTR-4 party.

Iraq is not at war, and there are all kinds of scrap metal preostostno.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Personally, it will prove a lot to me and I'm not going to look for any components

will not prove.

[smiths xnumx]

Then don't be sick.

Tantrum and poparsa Kars fully satisfied.

Why is it that if they want to get rid of the contract.

Why do they need them? Moreover, they perfectly understood (like the United Arab Emirates, Myanmar, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Sudan, that Ukrainian homemade products on their knees are a complete turd.

On July 23, 2013, the specialized inter-district court of Alma-Ata (Kazakhstan) sentenced Major General Almaz Asenov, former head of the main arms department of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, to 11 years of imprisonment under strict regime, confiscation of property, and deprivation of military rank for receiving a bribe of $ 200 from two employees of the Ukrainian state-owned Ukrspetsexport - the head of the First Regional Department, Alexander Shkolyarenko and his deputy, Alexander Khrulev. Shkolyarenko and Khrulev were sentenced to six years in strict regime and confiscation of property. The trial was closed. Ukrspetsexport and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine issued statements that they will seek the extradition of convicted company employees to their homeland.

Iraq is not at war, and there are all kinds of scrap metal preostostno.

Come on, after the US occupation in 2003 (in which the Ukrainian brigade participated, for which Ukraine received a contract for the supply of armored personnel carriers) there is a sluggish civil war of all against all (Shiites and Kurds against Sunnis), and then the "comrades" from Syria began climb. Learn materiel and google again, I have no poor servants.

will not prove.

It is your opinion. I have already written at the top and will repeat again: Kars’s hysteria and pacifier are completely satisfied.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Tantrum and poparsa Kars fully satisfied.

It’s you who deceive yourself how much you feel sick about this but couldn’t say anything significantly.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Why do they need them?

so why didn’t they tear it up in February? and there is still no information about the termination of the contract?

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Learn the materiel and google again I mock at the poor servants no.

Well, yes, of course, a full-blown civil war))) and probably you still officially buy different types of weapons.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

It is your opinion. I have already written at the top and will repeat again: Kars’s hysteria and pacifier are completely satisfied.

Naturally, and so it is clear that you are an impenetrable clown.

[smiths xnumx]

It’s you who deceive yourself how much you feel sick about this but couldn’t say anything significantly.

And you yourself, that you proved once again trying to sew up the torn ass of Ukrspetsexport. keep hysterical further, your Kars is completely satisfied with hysteria.

so why didn’t they tear it up in February? and there is still no information about the termination of the contract?

I already answered you, I repeat, this is an internal matter of Iraq, nevertheless, a ship with an armored personnel carrier hangs at sea from March to August, so that its owner yelled about it.

Well, yes, of course, a full-blown civil war))) and probably you still officially buy different types of weapons.

Imagine just that, or Google was turned off for you, the poor have no servants, and different factions do not need to buy weapons, there are a lot of them left after Saddam.

Naturally, and so it is clear that you are an impenetrable clown.

Once again I repeat the hysteria and poparsa Kars fully satisfied. Continue hysteria further, hysterical.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

And you yourself, that you proved once again trying to sew up the torn ass of Ukrspetsexport. keep hysterical further, your Kars is completely satisfied with hysteria.

You have strange ideas about hysteria. In the last thread, people described the ways of trading Arabs very well.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I already answered you, I repeat, this is an internal matter of Iraq, nevertheless, a ship with an armored personnel carrier hangs at sea from March to August, so that its owner yelled about it.

If inwardly, what are you getting into it for? Trying to correct your wounded ego.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

and different factions do not need to buy weapons, and much remains after Saddam.

Wow.a you said that 4 armored personnel carriers do not want to buy because of its use in .. constantly fighting Iraq ... and as such there are no military operations, the main thing is terrorist attacks, there are no front lines.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I repeat

Yes, at least twenty times, once again they let you in)))

[smiths xnumx]

You have strange ideas about hysteria. In the last thread, people described the ways of trading Arabs very well.

I was in Egypt, so I know how to trade Arabs, But here it seems, apart from Arabs, Azerbaijanis and Myamans, and even Sudanese. And all have similar trading methods. Something problems with the BTR-80 delivered by Iraq to Ukraine, no. At least I have not heard of them. And what else besides hysteria and lack of arguments can you justify your attempts to insult your opponent. Once I had the recklessness to offer you to conduct the polemic correctly, you refused. Now we have what we have.

If inwardly, what are you getting into it for? Trying to correct your wounded ego.

I climb, but simply stating the facts, voiced by the way UKRAINIAN portal. And you with foam at the mouth once again trying to refute the obvious facts that you are trying to correct your image or ego?

Wow.a you said that 4 armored personnel carriers do not want to buy because of its use in .. constantly fighting Iraq ... and as such there are no military operations, the main thing is terrorist attacks, there are no front lines.

. Even in warring Iraq, as well as warring Sudan, nobody needs rusty Ukrainian crafts on their knees. They buy old or modernized Soviet, Russian, American or new Uita, but for some reason Ukrainian is not. and about the front line, so in Afghanistan it wasn’t and never is, nevertheless, the war is going on there, and in Vietnam, except for the DMZ, there was no front line, so there was no war there. Continue pulling the owl on the globe.

Yes, at least twenty times, once again they let you in)))

I did not understand the meaning of what was said, apparently you do not speak Russian well. However, continue to make me laugh further. This is quite funny.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I was in Egypt, so I know how to trade Arabs

Wow - what is the indicator of the logic of your statements. He was a private lycr in the Egyptian bazaar bargaining for souvenirs)))))

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Something there are no problems with the BTR-80 BTR-XNUMX delivered by Iraq

And what can be the problems with this kapeshny scrap metal.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

And what else besides hysteria and lack of arguments can you justify your attempts to insult your opponent

Dullness and donkey stubbornness .. an opponent .. who for the fifth time posts in various articles about the Iraq contract.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Are you with foam at your mouth once again trying to refute the obvious facts that you are trying to fix your image or ego?

Your donkey is stubbornly killing me. There is an official statement from Ukrspetsexport, and the data from Dumskaya are rather contradictory.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

They buy old or modernized soviet

Cheap and IMMEDIATE. It is only such as you are unable to understand.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

and about the front line, so in Afghanistan it wasn’t and never is, nevertheless the war is going on there

And majahideen buy armored personnel carriers?

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

American or new Uita

And what new did Iraq buy from the Russian Federation? And I don’t know that the United States would supply Iraq with new armored vehicles. Even if it doesn’t prove anything, the United States could dictate terms.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I did not understand the meaning of what was said,

This is your constant state.

[smiths xnumx]

Wow - what is the indicator of the logic of your statements. He was a private lycr in the Egyptian bazaar bargaining for souvenirs)))))

Well, of course, the mentality and ways of trading weapons and souvenirs is very different.

And what can be the problems with this kapeshny scrap metal.

Your first correct words on this thread. Indeed, the BTR-80 does not have problems, unlike Ukrainian armored relics, which are rejected by almost ALL potential buyers because they are unnecessary.

Dullness and donkey stubbornness .. an opponent .. who for the fifth time posts in various articles about the Iraq contract.

The stubbornness of an over-age hysteria trying to refute the facts of the epic failures of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex (Kazakhstan, the United Arab Emirates, Myanmar, Iraq, Sudan) while not finding arguments trying to insult his opponent.

Cheap and IMMEDIATE. It is only such as you are unable to understand.

All the more shooting, reliable and maintainable, and not complicated fakes, which constantly break and which do not shoot guns, like the BTR-4. By the way, the ship with the BTR-4 from Iraq arrived in Mumbai, India

http://www.shipfinder.com/main/defaultwork?searchKey=SE%20PACIFICA&tp=1

It seems that the shipowners got this dance, and they will deliberately run into the seizure of the cargo, so that after its sale from the auction they will seek compensation for losses. And finally free the ship for freight.

[smiths xnumx]

Your donkey is stubbornly killing me. There is an official statement from Ukrspetsexport, and the data from Dumskaya are rather contradictory.

and I am finished off by your impenetrable stupidity and persistent desire to pull an owl on the globe, proving that Ukraine is doing well. you yourself read this statement of "Ukrspetsexport". So read it before you go into complete nonsense:

The Ukrainian-Iraqi contract will go to regular mode.
About the price of correspondents of Ukrinform, it was reported by the state company "Ukrspetseksport", commenting on the information in the Ukrainian ZMI about the news of the Iraqi side and accept the Chergov party of the BTR-4.

"Victory of the Ukrainian-Iraqi contract should be held in the regular mode. There are many aspects in the contract, confidential, the company does not comment on the information", - said the spokesperson of the agency.

Win also dodav, that "Ukrspeceksport" will officially inform about the completion of the Chergov stage in the implementation of the contract.

http://www.ukrinform.ua/ukr/news/ukrspetseksport_irakskiy_kontrakt_na_postavku_b

tr_vikonue_tsya_v_shtatnomu_regimi_1850689.

Well, where is the official statement here, it’s not even a representative of Ukrspetsexport, but a certain unnamed source in the company. Another source of OBS is one woman said. Another bullshit named Kars.

Having handed over Ukrinform, a contract between Ukraine and Iraq for the transfer of supplies to Ukraine 450 units of BTR-4, in order to rob the factory named after Malisheva (metro Kharkiv). Recovering from 2010 rock, one hundred BTR-4 was delivered to Iraq.

And majahideen buy armored personnel carriers?

Do they need them?

And what new did Iraq buy from the Russian Federation? And I don’t know that the United States would supply Iraq with new armored vehicles. Even if it doesn’t prove anything, the United States could dictate terms.

Well, for example, offhand combat helicopters Mi-28N and Mi-35, transport Mi-17, ZRAK "Pantsir C1". Serbia has "Lasta 95" training aircraft and Zastava M21 assault rifles, USA ILAV Badger MRAPs

This is your constant state.

No, you have a constant popopobol from the "peremog" of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, but such that you fall into constant hysterics from it. So, once again, I am completely satisfied with the hysteria of the "expert" Kars. Continue to hysteria further overage hysterics. At least they laugh at someone.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

and I am finishing

Maybe it’ll finish.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

proving that Ukraine is doing well.

not as bad as you would like.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Another source of OBS - one woman said

So this is your hobbyhorse. Duma is probably an epic official.
And they don’t write about problems
http://www.ukrspecexport.com/

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Do they need them?

Buy or not?

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Well, for example, offhand combat helicopters Mi-28N and Mi-35, transport Mi-17, ZRAK "Pantsir C1"

Bought? Or is it going to buy? Maybe they have already been delivered? It’s necessary there to see a ship next to it in drift))))

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

So, once again, I am completely satisfied with the hysteria of the "expert" Kars.

I look how satisfied you are, repeat it like a mantra. You do not overdo it with auto-suggestion)))

[smiths xnumx]

Maybe it’ll finish.

Another hysteria. Do not wait. I’ll survive you.

not as bad as you would like.

But to make Ukraine feel bad, I just don’t want to. I have a bunch of maternal relatives there. Nevertheless, 5 million zarobitchans only in Russia talk a lot.

So this is your hobbyhorse. Duma is probably an epic official.
And they don’t write about problems
http://www.ukrspecexport.com/

No, just yours, you have some sources close to "Ukrspetsexport". Well, here's a link to Jane's Defense Weekly:

"Iraq has reportedly refused to take delivery of another consignment of Ukrainian BTR-4 armored personnel carriers (APCs) due to defects."

http://www.janes.com/article/25704/iraq-btr-4-delivery-delayed

At the same time, follow your own link to the Ukrspetsexport website and find me there an OFFICIAL refutation of Dumskaya's information. Well, the best way is to show a photo or video from the unloading of a ship in Iraq.

Buy or not?

No, they simply do not need them, since the Mujahideen are fighting guerrilla methods with the enemy's complete domination in the air, such common truths are such an "expert" as you must know.

Bought? Or is it going to buy? Maybe they have already been delivered? It’s necessary there to see a ship next to it in drift))))

In the second half of 2012, the Russian Federation and Iraq signed a number of bilateral contracts in the field of military-technical cooperation totaling about $ 4,2 billion ... According to Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST), a contract for the sale of Baghdad Russian arms and military equipment primarily includes the supply of all-weather and all-day attack helicopters Mi-28NE “Night Hunter” and missile-cannon air defense systems “Pantsir-C1”.

http://topwar.ru/19831-rossiya-i-irak-podpisali-kontrakty-o-voennom-sotrudniches
tve-mezhdu-countries.html

So that the contract is signed, signed and I am sure it will be fulfilled.

I look how satisfied you are, repeat it like a mantra. You do not overdo it with auto-suggestion)))

Do not worry, it is better to drink a sedative, and you feel better. At least from boredom I won’t die tonight: the performance of the clown under the nickname Kars will not allow this to be done.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Do not wait. I’ll survive you

Do not neglect. With your tantrums and good looks on the Ukrainian military-industrial complex.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

At the same time, follow your own link to the Ukrspetsexport website and find me there an OFFICIAL refutation of Dumskaya's information. Well, the best way is to show a photo or video from the unloading of a ship in Iraq.

I will call you to AZLOM --- will you officially refute this to me?

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

No

Then why are you sick?

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

. According to Ruslan

Wow, according to)))

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

daily Mi-28NE “Night Hunter” helicopters and “Pantsir-S1” air defense missile and gun systems.

So Iraq still hasn’t received them? Didn’t pay? Have you brought them?

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Since the contract is signed, signed and I am sure it will be fulfilled.

By the way on the BTR-4 contract was also concluded,)))

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

At least from boredom I won’t die tonight:

Yes, it’s hard for you to come)) but you are being treated.

[smiths xnumx]

Do not neglect. With your tantrums and good looks on the Ukrainian military-industrial complex.

Do not worry so wait and see. The hysteria is just with you. Look, I’m even starting to look at direct insults and names.

blacksmith 77

go over but don't worry let you go.

I will call you to AZLOM --- will you officially refute this to me?

No, just give in the face.

Then why are you sick?

do not feel sick here just you, trying to cover up the torn ass of "Ukrspetsexport", hysteria every time you fail. "Breathe deeply, you're cocked.

Wow, according to)))

Do you have something against the words of Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST), published on this site. Well, of course, unnamed sources related to Ukrspetsexport look much more serious.

So Iraq still hasn’t received them? Didn’t pay? Have you brought them?

Do not worry so. everything has its time. And receive, and pay and bring. Liyano, I have no doubt about that.

By the way on the BTR-4 contract was also concluded,)))

By whom? Americans, who rewarded in the same way their Ukrainian sixes, for participating in the occupation of Iraq.

Yes, it’s hard for you to come)) but you are being treated.

Breathe deeper you are excited. The doctors have already left. Hang on, help is coming.

[Corneli]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

No, you have a constant popopobol from the "peremog" of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, but such that you fall into constant hysterics from it. So, once again, I am completely satisfied with the hysteria of the "expert" Kars. Continue to hysteria further overage hysterics. At least they laugh at someone.

Are you seriously?):

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I already answered you, I repeat, this is an internal matter of Iraq, nevertheless, a ship with an armored personnel carrier hangs at sea from March to August, so that screamed its owner.
Imagine just that, or you’ve been turned off Google, the poor have no servants, and different factions do not need to buy weapons, there are many left after Saddam.
I repeat hysteria and popole Karsa is completely satisfied. Keep going hysteria further, hysterical.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

And you yourself, that proved once again trying sew torn fart "Ukrspetsexport". keep going hysteria next, your kars hysterical completely satisfied.

It's hard to say what is there with the "hysterics" of Kars, but you have 10 pearls each time with your repetitions like: "popaboli", "beggars have no servants" number and respect for the opponent

[Kars]

Quote: Corneli

. including with respect to the opponent

I don’t need the respect of the clowns. The 77 blacksmith has already been dishonored several times, so it’s even nice. Although his perseverance and persistence with which he overwhelms the negative in Ukraine, it leads to mental disorder and an inferiority complex based on nationality.

And his main fetish is pulling on a globe, it’s even scary to think about what he developed on the basis of.

[smiths xnumx]

I deal with people as they deserve it. To the same Kars for whose honor you joined in this way, even during our first discussion on the T-64 disposal branch in Ukraine, I suggested Kars to conduct the polemic correctly and politely, but he refused.

Quote: Kars
Quote: smiths xnumx
Let's not get personal and lead the discussion correctly.
And let's move on?

Therefore, I communicate with him the way he wanted it. and after this "eksperd" -clown, who was repeatedly caught in a lie and poked his muzzle into the mud for it, having exhausted all his arguments, began to hysteria and insult what he expected to receive in return. So what do you want me to be silent? Rudeness has no nationality.

[Corneli]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Therefore, I communicate with him the way he wanted it. and after this "eksperd" -clown, who was repeatedly caught in a lie and poked his muzzle into the mud for it, having exhausted all his arguments, began to hysteria and insult what he expected to receive in return. So what do you want me to be silent? Rudeness has no nationality.

Your "polemic" is read by a lot of people, including myself. Where did you "catch him in a lie", I do not know, in this article I somehow did not notice. But banal, inappropriate insults were rampant. Don't want to read it? There seems to be an option. Do you want to argue with him about "hysterics"? There is skype, mail, personal and so on. Why should I read your rudeness?
P.S. And I'm sorry, but your arguments are very controversial) Even about the same BMP 3. Have you seen him, traveled, touched your hands? Or read the criticism of the people who are interested and concluded that you are pleased?

[smiths xnumx]

As for rudeness, I have already explained who began to be rude first. I am on this site, discussing and debating with many people, incl. and with SWEET_SIXTEEN, BigRiver, Karlsonn, Beck, and NEVER, I repeat to you, never admitted cases of rudeness to my opponent. And if some comrade, who imagines himself to be an "expert", thinks that he can offend me with impunity, what answer he or you are going to hear.
Secondly, you are mistaken, probably referring to the BTR-3, I have not seen it, although I have seen, studied and even had to travel to the BTR-60PB, BTR-70, BTR-80. As for the criticism of what you called "interested" people, the best way to confirm a sale is either a photo or a video or an official report to the UN. For you

http://www.dsecu.gov.ua/control/uk/publish/article?art_id=47384&cat_id=47383.

A link to the official report of Ukraine to the UN for 2012, of the significant there were only the well-known deliveries of T-72 to Ethiopia, BTR-4 to Iraq and BTR-3 to Thailand, and the rest is a complete trifle. What does the stunning success of Ukrainian exports and Ukrainian "tank building" show there? Not a single tank built in Ukraine appears in this report at all :-). Find there supplies of BTR-3 to Sudan? And finally, someone Kars is trying to portray me as a hater of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex

you turned your head at the envy of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, with such perseverance, overpricing chernukha both where appropriate and where not appropriate.

Read my post on the branch

Polish company begins licensed production of Ukrainian armored personnel carrier “Dozor-B”

... and find there "chernukha". I apologize to you for my rudeness, I have nothing to apologize to Kars. I remain in my opinion that he is hysterical.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

The Polish company begins licensed production of the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier Dozor-B. and find there "chernukha

Once I wrote, and then probably through force, banging my head against the table)))

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Read my post on the branch

It’s better to read your comments in general - you’re a hater of Ukraine in general.

[Kars]

http://www.aoss.org.ua/cgi-bin/index.pl?page=amat&id=814

if anyone is interested in tank export of Ukraine

[smiths xnumx]

Once I wrote, and then probably through force, banging my head against the table)))

Kars, hysterical. hit yourself at the wall untill you die.

It’s better to read your comments in general - you’re a hater of Ukraine in general.

Well, of course, I'm really half Ukrainian (by my mother), so I can be a hater of half of myself. I simply distinguish, the official Ukrainian "state", with its mania, Russophobia and praise of the cat-dog Bandera and other Shlyukhevychs, with the Ukrainian people, to which my mother and partly I have the honor to belong. And I really hope that soon Ukraine (at least East, South and Crimea) will reunite with its older sister.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

having exhausted all his arguments,

Yes, of course, when you start to hysteria, I will crush you with arguments. But you can still see that you turned your head to the envy of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, with such persistence, overcooked chernukha where it is appropriate, and where it is not appropriate.

And I’m not starting to hysteria, but insults are just an attempt to reach out to such a stubborn individual who appropriately does not accept arguments that do not fit into his template.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

eksperd "is a clown repeatedly caught in a lie and poked in the mud for it

Once and not on a lie, all my links under the Cyprus contract confirmed my words. But even when you cited the link, you were unable to read it and NAGLO, several times argued that there wasn’t, even though everything was written in black and white in your link .

[smiths xnumx]

Yes, of course, when you start to hysteria, I will crush you with arguments. But you can still see that you turned your head to the envy of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, with such persistence, overcooked chernukha where it is appropriate, and where it is not appropriate.

And I’m not starting to hysteria, but insults are just an attempt to reach out to such a stubborn individual who appropriately does not accept arguments that do not fit into his template.

What are the arguments? Firstly, insults, especially on the Internet, are a sign of weakness and the impossibility of proving one's innocence by other methods. Secondly, what envy is there for anything, for the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, since it is like honey in the famous song of Winnie the Pooh, or is whether it is not. Or do you call the arms trade in Ukraine, inherited from the USSR, "the Ukrainian military-industrial complex"? And practically all "independent weapons". turns out to be either defective or practically useless (Myanmar, UAE, Sudan, Azerbaijan)

Once and not on a lie, all my links under the Cyprus contract confirmed my words. But even when you cited the link, you were unable to read it and NAGLO, several times argued that there wasn’t, even though everything was written in black and white in your link .

What are your words?

And BDK yearn for air in the holds.

All are bad because there is no reference to the fulfillment of the contract. But the Russian-speaking one gives a more objective figure. And the completion of the delivery of tanks to Cyprus would not have gone unnoticed.

The higher the place, the more prestigious and significant the supply of armored vehicles in our particular case. And what to do in Thailand, more dangerous neighbors. Therefore, they pay more attention to their army.

He survived thanks to Tsar Boriska, a fellow countryman of UVZ.

Apparently, all the same, it was not completed until 2012. And 2 years of fiber supply with the supply of used tanks

Well, the last encore, already too lazy to look

Political pressure. In Morocco, the T-90 lost to a Chinese tank with a Ukrainian engine.

Continue to hysteria further, as there by the way with the sanctions of Sudan, have you found? The show must go on ...

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

What are the arguments?

Ordinary arguments.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Firstly, insults, especially on the Internet, are a sign of weakness and the inability to prove their case by other methods.

Well, how can you prove something to a donkey? It’s your own taldychet. And if you want to consider something as signs, consider it.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

And BDK yearn for air in the holds.

Have you proved that they carry something?

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

And the completion of the delivery of tanks to Cyprus would not have gone unnoticed.

So you didn’t bring a link, there are links only to availability and that’s it.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

The higher the place, the more prestigious and significant the supply of armored vehicles in our particular case. And what to do in Thailand, more dangerous neighbors. Therefore, they pay more attention to their army.

Have you proved the opposite? And yes, it’s more respectable to deliver weapons to more developed countries than to the third world. And Thailand has many dangerous neighbors.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

He survived thanks to Tsar Boriska, fellow countryman of UVZ

Which is also true, and I'm not the only one to say such a thing.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

political pressure. In Morocco, the T-90 lost to a Chinese tank with a Ukrainian engine.

Lost
Flag of Morocco.svg Morocco - 54 VT1A (MBT-2000), as of 2012 year. [6]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Continue to hysteria further, as there by the way with the sanctions of Sudan, have you found?

That you should have proved the application of sanctions to Ukraine for the supply of weapons to South Sudan

In addition, Russian industry has been developing for a long time not only new models of military equipment, but also modernized versions of the old one. At the same time, other countries stepped up work to improve Soviet developments and began to compete with modern Russian technology.

According to Makienko, "the stagnation of the technical level of the T-90" with a simultaneous increase in its cost led to the fact that the Chinese VT1A was able to bypass the T-90S in a Moroccan tender for the supply of main battle tanks. In total, as a result of the tender, the Moroccan Ministry of Defense purchased 150 VT1A tanks from China. Russia's defeat in this competition cannot be called anything but annoying.

[smiths xnumx]

Ordinary arguments.

I also answer you with ordinary arguments.

Well, how can you prove something to a donkey? It’s your own taldychet. And if you want to consider something as signs, consider it.

Therefore, I consider you an ordinary hysteria.

Have you proved that they carry something?

I repeat for you, I have no sources at the General Staff of the Russian Federation, but here is a photograph of the loading in the port of Novorossiysk of the large landing craft "Alexander Shabalin", which is just going to Syria,

and here is a photo of the Severodvinsk shipbuilding complex in the port of Novorossiysk, which will accompany it.

So you didn’t bring a link, there are links only to availability and that’s it.

I repeat for you, encore, for the last time Link to the UN website

www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/Register)

document

A / 67/212 / Add.2) dated January 30, 2013

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w.un.org/disarmament/convarms/Register/&Lang=R

And how did these T-80Us get to Cyprus, fly by air? or came by water? I recall the report for 2011.

[smiths xnumx]

Have you proved the opposite? And yes, it’s more respectable to deliver weapons to more developed countries than to the third world. And Thailand has many dangerous neighbors.

Well, what is India in your ranking

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp.

Well, I don’t make any deep conclusions that in this rating India with the T-90 is in fourth place, and Thailand with Oplot at 20. And in general, what does this rating have to do with the fact that Azerbaijan or Uganda purchased the T-90 from Russia and Ukraine's T-72 Ethiopia. According to this rating, Thailand is also higher than Ukraine (Thailand-20th, Ukraine-22nd), or do you think the Ukrainian army is weaker than the Thai army? And finally. Forgive me what such dangerous neighbors Thailand has: Cambodia, which does not have its own combat aircraft, in which the civil war has just ended, but there are border conflicts. but not more; Laos with an army of 30 thousand with 35 tanks (10 T-34-85, 10 PT-76, 15 T-55) and also without an air force (for comparison, Thailand has a 200 thousand army); or Myanmar, in which the civil war has not stopped since its inception and in which there are constant military coups.
Moreover, the United States is in first place in this rating, and who certainly has dangerous neighbors: Mexico dreams of capturing Texas and California, and Canada has introduced its fleet to the Great Lakes. Don't tell my slippers, they are funny anyway. Thailand has more money, among other things, thanks to the tourism business, so it can afford such "goodies" as "Grippen", "Oplot-M" and even its own small aircraft carrier.

Which is also true, and I'm not the only one to say such a thing.

I also read a similar version from a certain Tarasenko in LJ. Now think about it. in Russia for 13 (THIRTEEN!) years the "Petersburg" people (Putin, Medvedev, now Putin again) have ruled, well, none of them made even a timid attempt to revive the plant in Leningrad. And they are more or less "statesmen", and Yeltsin is a simple drunk, by the will of fate, climbed to the throne, or do you think that this most senior Russian alcoholic could think about the production of tanks? That's the whole answer to the "conspiracy theory"

[smiths xnumx]

Lost
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And what of this? I am not inventing a "conspiracy theory" and I am not explaining the defeat of the T-90 by political pressure, as you are trying to explain the defeat of the T-90 Oplot in Azerbaijan.

That you should have proved the application of sanctions to Ukraine for the supply of weapons to South Sudan

And why should I justify this, remember your words:

A fact on the face - there is no sanction, and you can’t bring anything other than your beloved OBS. And officially to refute this))

I proved to you that sanctions have been imposed on Sudan

Sudan-July 30, 2004 through the adoption of Resolution 1556 (2004); Until now, the arms embargo
Travel ban
Asset freeze

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D1%E0%ED%EA%F6%E8%E8_%CE%CE%CD

There are sanctions, including and the supply of weapons, link above. It’s just that they are spit on by Russia and China and even Ukraine, and now Belarus, which supplies the Sudan with Su-24 and Su-25. As for the facts of Ukraine selling arms to South Sudan, all claims are to Amnesty International and the Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

Ukraine supplied arms and military equipment to South Sudan, which were used in the confrontation between the Sudan People's Liberation Army and the South Sudan Liberation Army. According to the international human rights organization Amnesty International, it was deliveries of Ukrainian, as well as Chinese and Sudanese military equipment, weapons and ammunition that provoked an aggravation of the conflict in 2010-2011 in the state of Al Wahda.

According to the organization, Ukraine delivered the main battle tanks T-72 to South Sudan, which were used by the Sudan People's Liberation Army, in particular, to fire at civilians. Amnesty International was able to document the presence of five main battle tanks in the city of Mayom in the state of El Wahda, including three T-72M1 delivered to the country by Ukraine in 2009 through Kenya and Uganda. Amnesty International does not specify the total supply of Ukrainian equipment.

According to the Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), in 2007-2009 Ukraine supplied 11 BM-21 Grad multiple launch rocket systems to South Sudan, as well as 77 T-72M1 main battle tanks. According to the UN register for the supply of conventional weapons in 2007-2010, Ukraine supplied Kenya, Uganda, Chad and Congo more than 58 thousand units of assault rifles, heavy and light machine guns and pistols.

Here you have a photo of the T-72 in South Sudan.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Well, what is India in your ranking

and you don’t want to remember what I wrote about India? That India had no choice since a tank factory specializing in T-72 was built in India during the USSR

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

And in general, what is the relationship

This happened in the process of a dispute, which developed quite peculiarly.

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According to this rating, Thailand is higher than Ukraine (Thailand-20-e, Ukraine-22-e), or do you think the Ukrainian army is weaker than the Thai army?

I didn’t make this rating, if they think so, then they have a reason for this. For example, the population there is larger and they buy BTR-3 and Oplot.
Therefore, in principle, I consider it not particularly biased.

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I'm sorry what Thailand is like

China, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam - the politics in that region is very tense. Therefore, countries such as Thailand and Singapore spend a lot on their armed forces, while Thailand keeps a mini aircraft carrier thirsty.

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Moreover, the United States is in the first place in this rating, so who exactly has dangerous neighbors

the United States has neighbors; the vital interests of the United States have no borders.

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well, not one of them even made a timid attempt to reanimate the plant in Leningrad

It’s too late to drink Borjomi when Lenengrad is pease --- de ban. And if this is your argument, then you are simply ridiculous.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

could this most senior Russian alcoholic think about tank production?

That's just for this reason, and turned out T-90

Quote: svp67

I’m afraid that the true answer will not be as clear as the author is trying to prove. And if the first president of Russia had suddenly been a native of Siberia, the author would have now argued that T80 is much better than T64 and T72, which is much easier by the way

[smiths xnumx]

and you don’t want to remember what I wrote about India? That India had no choice since a tank factory specializing in T-72 was built in India during the USSR

I remember it perfectly, but it was not I who first started to refer to the rating

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp.

And affirm

Have you proved the opposite? And yes, it’s more respectable to deliver weapons to more developed countries than to the third world. And Thailand has many dangerous neighbors

... Well, India is in fourth place in your rating, which means that the sale by Russia to India and production there under the license of 2000 T-90s is much more PRESTIGIOUS than the sale of 49 Oplots by Ukraine to Thailand.

China, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam - the politics in that region is very tense. Therefore, countries such as Thailand and Singapore spend a lot on their armed forces, while Thailand keeps a mini aircraft carrier thirsty.

Learn to read the map from Vietnam, India, Indonesia, China, in general there are no land borders with Thailand. The border with Malaysia is an impenetrable jungle. especially since Thailand and Malaysia and Indonesia are members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN).
Here is a map for you

Maybe you heard about the territorial conflicts of Thailand in general with anyone other than Cambodia, as I wrote above.

I didn’t make this rating, if they think so, then they have a reason for this. For example, the population there is larger and they buy BTR-3 and Oplot.
Therefore, in principle, I consider it not particularly biased.

Not you make up, so why constantly refer to it?

Can you compare the position of Uganda t Thailand
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp. И Уганда не новая страна.

And Taiwan has a population less than that of Ukraine and Thailand, about 23 million people, and there is no Oplot or BTR-3, but it is in the 18th place in the ranking.

[smiths xnumx]

the United States has neighbors; the vital interests of the United States have no borders.

Well, it's hard to argue. The interests of mattresses have no borders.

It’s too late to drink Borjomi when Lenengrad is pease --- de ban. And if this is your argument, then you are simply ridiculous.

No funnier than you, you have no arguments other than "conspiracy theory" and Yeltsin. Well, Russia cannot pull out 90 tank design bureaus in the 3s, it's good at least UVZ, due to foreign orders, kept afloat. The Soviet Union built as many as 3 (three) types of tanks, the mechanisms and parts of which were not interchangeable, 2 different types of ships on the same hull (BOD pr.1155 and EM pr.956), etc. and the economy could not stand it. And in the 90s, the bones crunched at enterprises of the military-industrial complex around the world, in Ukraine KMDBTM only due to the Pakistani order also kept afloat. Well, Omsk did not have foreign orders, and its own army did not buy tanks, so the plant was closed, the same with St. Petersburg. Although in my opinion, two or three design bureaus are needed to ensure normal competition for UVZ in the development of tanks.

That's just for this reason, and turned out T-90

Well, I wanted my own tank, so they called it, the last modification of the T-72-T-90 at that time. And I am sure Yeltsin has nothing to do with him. During his entire second term he only "worked with documents", and the first while his health allowed him to drink stupidly.

Quote: svp67

And who is svp67? And what does it have to do with domestic tank building? An ordinary member of the site who expressed his opinion.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Well, it's hard to argue. The interests of mattresses have no borders.

Something in the woods died.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Well, don’t pull Russia into the 90 3 tank KB,

Is this your argument? Khilinky. It was necessary to leave Leningrad. And UVZ could, as before, drive the series for export.

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Well, I wanted my tank, so they called it, the last modification of the T-72-T-90 at that time. And I'm sure Yeltsin has nothing to do with him

No to the tank, but yes to the decisions on the tank - I already gave you a screenshot about the name.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

And who is svp67? And what does it have to do with domestic tank building? Ordinary member of the site who expressed his opinion

And who are you? SWP 67 even a tanker, in the subject understands and you're just a clown.

[svp67]

Quote: smiths xnumx

And who is svp67?

Quote: Kars

swp xnumx though tanker

“Who is Studebaker?”
“Is this your relative Studebaker?” Is your dad Studebaker? ”About Bender

[Kars]

Quote: svp67

“Is this your relative Studebaker?” Is your dad Studebaker? ”About Bender

will you refuse words?

Quote: svp67

I’m afraid that the true answer will not be as clear as the author is trying to prove. And if the first president of Russia had suddenly been a native of Siberia, the author would have now argued that T80 is much better than T64 and T72, which is much easier by the way

otherwise they don’t believe you.

[smiths xnumx]

Something in the woods died.

No comments. Another rambling raving gray gelding named Kars.

Is this your argument? Khilinky. It was necessary to leave Leningrad. And UVZ could, as before, drive the series for export.

Which one you have, besides the dubious conspiracy theory, you don’t have such and such.

No to the tank, but yes to the decisions on the tank - I already gave you a screenshot about the name.

You yourself believe that the drunk who has not served in the army for a single day had what to do with making decisions on tanks? Rave? He brought a screenshot, they just slipped a paper with the name to Borka, and said that this was the first RUSSIAN tank he pushed without reading, I doubt that he was not drunk. In those days it made no difference to him whether tanks would be produced or not. He had a "friend Bill, you know."

And who are you? SWP 67 even a tanker, in the subject understands and you're just a clown.

I don’t know who the respected svp67 is, I didn’t serve with him in one part. in the operational brigade of the explosives, we were not supposed to have tanks: there were beters, ZU-23, 2B11. Itself that "eksperd" -hysteric served in the army. Continue to come up with another delirium and make me laugh further.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

No comments

In shock, the blacksmith agreed with me))) in the forest, probably a lot of things died.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Which one you have, besides the dubious conspiracy theory, you don’t have such and such.

This can be said a fact, not a conspiracy theory. The most ordinary lobism and fraternity - without any background, threw off tank standing for 15 years.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Do you yourself believe that the drunk who had not served in the army for a single day had anything to do with deciding on tanks?

And who if not the president?

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

He brought a screenshot, they just slipped a paper with the name to Borka, and said that this was the first RUSSIAN tank he waved without reading

Because it was the countryman who slipped it, and if he waved without reading, it was he who was to blame.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Itself that "eksperd" -hysteric served in the army.

Yes, I had a little clown fantasy on the Genocide.

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Keep coming up with the next nonsense and make me laugh further.

That's just you nirazu refute my nonsense nesmogli. Although of course you can kichitsa Cyprus))) But compared with your Uganda)))

[smiths xnumx]

In shock, the blacksmith agreed with me))) in the forest, probably a lot of things died.

I haven't called you by your nicknames yet, not tea in kindergarten! And I'm not going to argue with the indisputable fact that the interests of mattress makers have no boundaries. In contrast to some "experts" who adjust the facts to fit their matrix, and are ready to accuse the Russian government of lying if its opinion does not coincide with it.

Quote: Kars

Quote: smiths xnumx
Will you blame the government of the Russian Federation for providing a false report to the UN?
It is not excluded.

This can be said a fact, not a conspiracy theory. The most ordinary lobism and fraternity - without any background, threw off tank standing for 15 years.

A fact confirmed by WHO? A hysterical "expert" or another no less hysterical "expert" by the name of Tarasenko. I already wrote about "fellowship" above.

In 2003, the Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation N.V. Kormiltsev called the T-72 the most effective example of armored military equipment in real combat conditions.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2-72

Another "fellow countryman", though born in Siberia, in Omsk, why didn't he defend the T-80? And it is difficult to accuse him of unprofessionalism.

And who if not the president?

In addition to the president, there are a lot of other people who are much better versed in tanks (Minister of Defense, Chief of General Staff, Head of GBTU, etc. etc.)

[smiths xnumx]

Yes, I had a little clown fantasy on the Genocide.

... Wow, I suppose in the "army" "Square", hysterical. Well, I'm not going to measure up with you in genital organs, who served where, hysterical, I repeat, not in kindergarten. On November 19 I will even congratulate you on the holiday.

That's just you nirazu refute my nonsense nesmogli. Although of course you can kichitsa Cyprus))) But compared with your Uganda)))

The map, then studied the bast shoe. I immediately gave a link to the same Wikipedia, only English and Spanish. And then he consolidated his success with official documents. Continue to hysteria further, maybe it will. And, as for Wikipedia, unlike the hysterical "eksperda" I admitted my mistake, well, I found data on the T-72 supplied by UKRAINE to Uganda.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Wow, I suppose in the "army" "Square

Naturally.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

. Well, I’m not going to measure with you with child-bearing organs, who served where

What are you? You’ve already started a clown late))

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

He himself served in the army

)))))) and then zadyuyu)) how it looks like you.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

. I immediately gave a link to the same Wikipedia, only English and Spanish.

Well, you're stupid))) they clearly told you

Quote: Kars

Of course Mogichi Cyprus Cyprus)))

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Well, I found data on T-72 Uganda delivered by UKRAINE.

not everything was much funnier and showed your stupidity. You gave a link to Janes, said that there was NO. I asked you exactly no and where I read
dy gave a link to the document)))
and I easily found in YOUR document what you couldn’t read))
but in my links in Cyprus everything confirmed my words))

[smiths xnumx]

Naturally.

Congratulations, I have
a second cousin from Darnitsa served, he talked a lot about this circus.

What are you? You’ve already started a clown late))

Get off hysterical. I asked you, you answered me, especially since "Genocide" with a tank is united only by a caterpillar mover.

)))))) and then zadyuyu)) how it looks like you.

The answer is above.

Well, you're stupid))) they clearly told you

Look at yourself, "eksperd" is great.

Compared to you, I am an expert.

Not a single evidence of hysteria, and no less hysterical conclusions.

not everything was much funnier and showed your stupidity. You gave a link to Janes, said that there was NO. I asked you exactly no and where I read
dy gave a link to the document)))
and I easily found in YOUR document what you couldn’t read))

but in my links in Cyprus everything confirmed my words))
And what from this. Still squealing and hysteria.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Quote: Kars
Quote: smiths xnumx
Will you blame the government of the Russian Federation for providing a false report to the UN?
It is not excluded.

Learn materiel "eksperd"

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I haven’t called you yet

My nickname is easier to write, willow longer.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

In addition to the president, there are a lot of other people who are much better versed in tanks

Well, yes, they showed it in the storming of the formidable, but the fact remains that the T-90 is a mistake and the result of the fraternity together with the fact that Borya did not go wild in the tanks.

Quote: svp67
I’m afraid that the true answer will not be as clear as the author is trying to prove. And if the first president of Russia had suddenly been a native of Siberia, the author would have now argued that T80 is much better than T64 and T72, which is much easier by the way

And as we see more than one Tarasenko of such an opinion,

[smiths xnumx]

My nickname is easier to write, willow longer.

Come on, another rotten otmaz. But as you know, patients are not offended.

Well, yes, they showed it in the storming of the formidable, but the fact remains that the T-90 is a mistake and the result of the fraternity together with the fact that Borya did not go wild in the tanks.

This "mistake" has already managed to fight well, and in Chechnya, for example.

Combat application

The first Chechen war - the T-90 turned out to be practically invulnerable to anti-tank weapons of Chechen fighters [75].
The invasion of militants in Dagestan - one T-90 received seven hits from an RPG and remained in service [75].

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2-90. А по поводу новогоднего штурма Грозного и жопоголовых стратегов, во главе с Пьяным Борей не у одного меня чешутся руки с ними расчитаться за это. Но дохнут, же, сами (Ельцин, Грачев). Но мы уже полезли не туда.

And as we see more than one Tarasenko of such an opinion,

I already asked who the respected svp67 is, and what role it played in domestic tank building. I can also refer to Murakhovsky in assessing the merits of tanks. Iem more, I read your dialogue with svp67, this is an extravaganza:

Quote: svp67

Quote: smiths xnumx
And who is svp67?
Quote: Kars
swp xnumx though tanker
“Who is Studebaker?”
“Is this your relative Studebaker?” Is your dad Studebaker? ” About bender feel

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

will you refuse words?
Quote: svp67
I’m afraid that the true answer will not be as clear as the author is trying to prove. And if the first president of Russia had suddenly been a native of Siberia, the author would have now argued that T80 is much better than T64 and T72, which is much easier by the way
otherwise they don’t believe you.

in response to silence, well, the person does not want someone Kars hiding behind his name. That write ISCHO.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

My nickname is easier to write, willow longer. Come on, another rotten otmaz. But as you know, patients are not offended.

You also blind))
smiths xnumx
Kars

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

This "mistake" has already managed to fight well, and in Chechnya, for example.

T-90 was in Chechnya, but there is no evidence that he fought. There is no evidence of his effectiveness.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

First Chechen war - T-90 turned out to be practically invulnerable to anti-tank weapons of Chechen fighters [75].

This is a fairytale.
There is only one mention in a museum of UVZ about a business trip for two weeks.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

But we have already climbed the wrong way

as it’s not there, you were crucified that around EBN there was a mass of tank experts.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

in response to silence, well, the person does not want someone Kars hiding behind his name. That write ISCHO

Maybe I didn’t notice. I’ll write a drug.

[smiths xnumx]

You also blind))
smiths xnumx
Kars

Took and copied or the mouse does not work.

T-90 was in Chechnya, but there is no evidence that he fought. There is no evidence of his effectiveness.

There is a link, do not believe refute or rewrite Wikipedia. Only many sources have to refute.

This is a fairytale.
There is only one mention in a museum of UVZ about a business trip for two weeks.

See above. You have a fairy tale that does not fit into your matrix.

as it’s not there, you were crucified that around EBN there was a mass of tank experts.

If you think that the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Chief of the General Staff and the Chief of the GBTU are less versed in the tanks of a certain "eksperd", I am very sorry for you.

Maybe I didn’t notice. I’ll write a drug.

Write - "the office writes"

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Took and copied or the mouse does not work.

sometimes laziness - a blacksmith or a clown to write faster.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

There is a link, do not believe refute or rewrite Wikipedia. Only many sources have to refute.

A link to an article from Independent Military Review does not even make any sense to refute, there is no other evidence.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

If you think that the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, the chief of the General Staff and the chief of the GBTU are less versed in the tanks of a certain "expert", I am very sorry for you.

It is entirely possible that they are a priori tankmen? Cannot be from the Air Force? And so on? And the error with the T-90 is obvious.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Write - "the office writes"

Already written. Let's wait.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I remember it perfectly, but it was not I who first started to refer to the rating

And how do you like the rating?

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Well, India is in fourth place in your rating, which means that the sale by Russia to India and production there under the license of 2000 T-90, is much more PRESTIGIOUS than the sale of 49 Oplots by Ukraine to Thailand

Had there been a T-90 plant built from scratch in India in the Russian Federation, and this is the legacy of the USSR, and it would have got to India without a tender.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Learn to read the map near Vietnam, India, Indonesia, China, in general there are no land borders with Thailand.

You are observant. Only the World Ocean provides coherence of positions. Various alliances are also possible.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Thailand and Malaysia and Indonesia are members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN).

Well, yes, China and the Russian Federation are included in the SCO)) and therefore they do not keep troops on their borders with each other.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Not you make up, so why constantly refer to it?

Are you referring only to what YOU make up yourself?))) I don’t have either logic or intelligence))) This is an unrated rating, and it is at least for some indicators

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

And Taiwan has a population less than that of Ukraine and Thailand, about 23 million people, and there is no Oplot or BTR-3, but it is in the 18th place in the ranking.

and what? do you want to argue by the methodology for calculating the rating? Forward to the site - there are taken into account more than 60 different factors.

[smiths xnumx]

And how do you like the rating?

Why do I "like" him. Nevertheless, comparing the armed forces of states by a certain rating is as strange as it is for women. Some people like blondes, some like brunettes, some like redheads. Some are bbw, some are slender.

Had there been a T-90 plant built from scratch in India in the Russian Federation, and this is the legacy of the USSR, and it would have got to India without a tender.

Well, let's start with the fact that the main rival of the T-90 in India was and is "Arjun", nevertheless the T-90 is the main tank of the Indian army. Or can you tell us on the basis of what tender were T-80UD delivered to Pakistan?

You are observant. Only the World Ocean provides coherence of positions. Various alliances are also possible.

Well, for this you do not need to buy tanks, but to buy planes and warships. I doubt very much that China, which cannot land amphibious assault forces in Taiwan, will take and plan to land in Thailand. Or Vietnam, so he doesn’t have enough DC to land more battalions at the same time. India, Indonesia, Malaysia are generally funny. Do they need it?

Well, yes, China and the Russian Federation are included in the SCO)) and therefore they do not keep troops on their borders with each other.

And they conduct joint exercises. Only this year already twice. We are holding troops on the border with Ukraine, and it is a member of the CIS. And on the Caspian, in general, we have the largest fleet of the KSF, and there are only friendly states :, Turkmenistan, Iran.

Are you referring only to what YOU make up yourself?))) I don’t have either logic or intelligence))) This is an unrated rating, and it is at least for some indicators

No, I refer to a lot of data, see links, I prefer official ones, like a report to the UN, or rather verified ones.

and what? do you want to argue by the methodology for calculating the rating? Forward to the site - there are taken into account more than 60 different factors.

I won’t even think about it.It's enough for me that Russia is in second place, India with T-90 in 4th, Iran with T-72 in 16th, Thailand with Oplot in 20th, and Ukraine in 22nd.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Nevertheless, it is as strange to compare the Armed Forces of the states by a certain rating, as well as women.

Well, it seems you don’t have any logic at all. Compare specific indicators with external sensations. Go back to the rating and read carefully what is considered there.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Well, let's start with the fact that the main rival of the T-90 in India was and is "Arjun"

He would be and would be if he was ready for mass production by the time of the first contract on the T-90

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Or can you tell me on the basis of which tender T-80UD was delivered to Pakistan?

There were other difficulties, but nevertheless the USSR did not build tank plants there on preferential terms, and there were no Soviet tanks in Pakistan's armaments.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Well, for this you do not need to buy tanks, but to buy planes and warships.

Well, everyone buys there.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

We are holding troops on the border with Ukraine, and she is a member of the CH

Then why was there a mention of international unification? In 1941 between the USSR and Germany there were also pacts and an exchange of technologies - and everyone remembers how it ended.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Um, I refer to a lot of data, see links, I prefer official ones, like a report to the UN, or rather verified

Then the meaning of your utterance?

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Not you make up, so why constantly refer to it?

logic failure again? at least why the question mark is your next logical failure.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I don’t even think about it. It’s enough for me that Russia is in second place, India with T-90 in 4th, Iran with T-72 in 16th, and Thailand with Oplot in 20th, and Ukraine 22nd

I’m quite happy with the 22 position of Ukraine. And by the way, the rating there does not depend on tanks. And it would be nice to see some people involved exclude nuclear weapons.

[smiths xnumx]

Well, it seems you don’t have any logic at all. Compare specific indicators with external sensations. Go back to the rating and read carefully what is considered there.

I already wrote that about my attitude to the ratings. The DPRK has nuclear weapons, a million-strong army and its own production of the main types of weapons, and it is in 28th place, while Thailand and Ukraine do not have nuclear weapons, and they are higher, what objectivity can be there.

There were other difficulties, but nevertheless the USSR did not build tank plants there on preferential terms, and there were no Soviet tanks in Pakistan's armaments.

It was precisely in the arsenal of Pakistan that, and still is, the Chinese copy of the T-54A-T-59. And the USSR simply could not build anything in Pakistan because Pakistan was an enemy and supported Afghan dushmans.

Well, everyone buys there.

And they’re doing it right. Si vis pacem, para bellum (Russian: “if you want peace, prepare for war”).

Then why was there a mention of international unification? In 1941 between the USSR and Germany there were also pacts and an exchange of technologies - and everyone remembers how it ended.

Now is not the 1941 year, and Thailand and the ASEAN member states do not have any territorial conflicts.

Then the meaning of your utterance?

The meaning of my statement, you must answer for your words or at least reinforce them with a link, and not with your own conclusions.

logic failure again? at least why the question mark is your next logical failure.

What is it expressed in? To the point that you first say one thing and then refer to another?

I’m quite happy with the 22 position of Ukraine. And by the way, the rating there does not depend on tanks. And it would be nice to see some people involved exclude nuclear weapons.

Me too. For example, Russia is in second place, thanks to the USSR, Ukraine would be even lower. Won the DPRK with nuclear weapons generally moved to 28th place.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I already wrote that about my attitude to the ratings. The DPRK has nuclear weapons, a million-strong army and its own production of the main types of weapons and it is in the 28 place, while Thailand and Ukraine have no nuclear weapons, and they are higher, what objectivity can there be

Don’t continue to stupid))) There are 65 indicators, including availability and access to oil, resources, etc. And nuclear weapons of S. Korea and more are fiction. Maybe there are a couple of charges, but there are no carriers, (old crafts based on Skud consider we will not) and it is not a fact that it will fit into the dimensions.

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full-time in the arsenal of Pakistan consisted and yes and now there is a Chinese copy of the T-54A-T-59

Chinese

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. And to build something in Pakistan, the USSR is simply not mine

All the more .. honor .. that Ukraine sold there the T-80, and not the 17 modification of the T-72 on which the Indians ride.

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Now is not the 1941 year, and Thailand and the ASEAN member states do not have any territorial conflicts.

But what are you, and then what is everyone arming at such a pace? Especially in that region.

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The meaning of my statement, you must answer for your words or at least reinforce them with a link, and not with your own conclusions.

Well, you still have to fall into the logical hole? I just brought the link and didn’t even make any special conclusions of my own - everything is intelligibly written in the Rating.

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What is it expressed in? To the point that you first say one thing and then refer to another?

Reread and you’ll understand everything, your logic is absent like a tokay, but only convulsive-hysterical attempts are twisted.

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Me too. Russia, for example, is in second place, thanks to the USSR, Ukraine would be even lower

failure of logic again. I’m glad that at least you understand who you need to say thank you to. And by the way, Ukraine voluntarily refused the fourth nuclear arsenal in the world, unlike Korean fakes.

[smiths xnumx]

Don’t continue to stupid))) There are 65 indicators, including availability and access to oil, resources, etc. And nuclear weapons of S. Korea and more are fiction. Maybe there are a couple of charges, but there are no carriers, (old crafts based on Skud consider we will not) and it is not a fact that it will fit into the dimensions.

Well, Americans, South Koreans and Japanese do not think so

On February 10, 2005, the DPRK first openly announced the creation of nuclear weapons in the country [1]. October 9, 2006 was the first nuclear explosion [2]. In April 2012, the DPRK constitution was amended on the country's nuclear status [3]. On December 12, 2012, the DPRK entered the club of space powers, launching an artificial Earth satellite into orbit.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%E0%EA%E5%F2%ED%EE-%FF%E4%E5%F0%ED%E0%FF_%EF%F0%
EE%E3%F0%E0%EC%EC%E0_%CA%CD%C4%D0

At the same time, do not enlighten what weapons for its armed forces Thailand, in contrast to the DPRK, which almost completely satisfies its weapons needs (except for the air force), produces independently.

Chinese

Chinese copy of the T-54A.

But what are you, and then what is everyone arming at such a pace? Especially in that region.

Si vis pacem, para bellum (rus. "If you want peace - prepare for war"). Moreover, Thailand is distinguished by its distortions in the field of arms purchases. they have won, the only aircraft carrier, without an air group, is used as a royal yacht and tourist route.

Well, you still have to fall into the logical hole? I just brought the link and didn’t even make any special conclusions of my own - everything is intelligibly written in the Rating.

I didn’t drink with the Brudershaft and you didn’t switch to it. You have already done your conclusions everywhere, such that logic nervously smokes on the sidelines.

[smiths xnumx]

Reread and you’ll understand everything, your logic is absent like a tokay, but only convulsive-hysterical attempts are twisted.

Exactly especially in the matter with Cyprus

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Quote: Kars
Quote: smiths xnumx
Will you blame the government of the Russian Federation for providing a false report to the UN?
It is not excluded.

Keep turning around further.
failure of logic again. I’m glad that at least you understand who you need to say thank you to. And by the way, Ukraine voluntarily refused the fourth nuclear arsenal in the world, unlike Korean fakes.

What joy. Thanks, by the way, to mattresses.

As a result of the collapse of the USSR, the number of nuclear powers increased, since at the time of the signing of the Bialowieza Accords, Soviet nuclear weapons were deployed in four union republics: Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan.

The joint diplomatic efforts of Russia and the United States of America led to the fact that Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan renounced the status of nuclear powers, and transferred to Russia all the military atomic potential that appeared on their territory.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4_%D0%A1%D0%A1%D
0%A1%D0%A0#.D0.91.D0.B5.D0.B7.D1.8A.D1.8F.D0.B4.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B9_.D
1.81.D1.82.D0.B0.D1.82.D1.83.D1.81_.D0.A3.D0.BA.D1.80.D0.B0.D0.B8.D0.BD.D1.8B.2C
_.D0.91.D0.B5.D0.BB.D0.BE.D1.80.D1.83.D1.81.D1.81.D0.B8.D0.B8_.D0.B8_.D0.9A.D0.B
0.D0.B7.D0.B0.D1.85.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0.B0

So, Kazakhstan, Belarus and South Africa also voluntarily abandoned nuclear weapons. "God does not give horns to a thirsty (Svidomo) cow, otherwise it would be sold all over the world.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Exactly especially in the matter with Cyprus

And what about Cyprus? It is possible. Moreover, such a delay.

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What joy. Thanks, by the way, to mattresses.

And not only mattresses - there are still some countries that have participated and are guarantors of our security.

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"God does not give horns to a thirsty (Svidomo) cow, otherwise it would be sold all over the world

As I am in another thread, I replied to a similar YOUR statement--
I wanted to say something? that you (the Russian Federation) are not a vigorous cow))) And at the same time you also managed to Belarus, with Kazakhstan to insult the clown.

[smiths xnumx]

And what about Cyprus? It is possible. Moreover, such a delay.

keep believing further. Sources say the opposite. It reminds me of a well-known Ukrainian proverb: "Our beret is screaming."

And not only mattresses - there are still some countries that have participated and are guarantors of our security.

You represent this country, Russia, what kind of threat does it pose to the security of Ukraine?

As I am in another thread, I replied to a similar YOUR statement--
I wanted to say something? that you (the Russian Federation) are not a vigorous cow))) And at the same time you also managed to Belarus, with Kazakhstan to insult the clown.

Well here, no comment at all. Pure tantrum. And how did I offend Belarus with Kazakhstan? Keep laughing further.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

keep believing on

And what to believe is a fact - the supply of tanks from the presence of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for so long.

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"Our beret is screaming."

And to translate? It does not make sense in Ukrainian.

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You represent this country, Russia, what kind of threat does it pose to the security of Ukraine?

I wrote about threats from the Russian Federation? although who should not be trusted with whom and the Russian Federation, it is easier for mattresses to keep their word - they are far from us.

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Well, there are no comments at all. Pure tantrum. And how did I offend Belarus with Kazakhstan? Keep laughing further

Yes, of course. Again, we went to the unconscious. Although you are not friends with logic, you have little understanding of what to write

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So, Kazakhstan, Belarus and South Africa also voluntarily abandoned nuclear weapons. "God does not give horns to a thirsty (Svidomo) cow, otherwise it would be sold all over the world.

By the way, South Africa was also insulted. The postscript (Svidomo) does not mean anything. You put these countries on the same line. And who said that South Africa or Belarus are not Svidomo-only in their own language, they are sovereign countries that follow their own national interests. But you don’t understand.

[smiths xnumx]

And what to believe is a fact - the supply of tanks from the presence of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for so long.

How could they have done so.

And to translate? It does not make sense in Ukrainian.

Do not seem dumber than you really are, you understand everything.

I wrote about threats from the Russian Federation? although who should not be trusted with whom and the Russian Federation, it is easier for mattresses to keep their word - they are far from us.

And why should the Russian Federation trust Ukraine?

Yes, of course. Again, we went to the unconscious. Although you are not friends with logic, you have little understanding of what to write

This is your purely personal opinion. Keep hysteria, the doctor has already left.

By the way, South Africa was also insulted. The postscript (Svidomo) does not mean anything. You put these countries on the same line. And who said that South Africa or Belarus are not Svidomo-only in their own language, they are sovereign countries that follow their own national interests. But you don’t understand.

Of course, countries voluntarily renounced nuclear weapons.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

How could they have done so.

They smashed something for a long time.

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Don't seem dumber than you really are, you all understood

Once again I repeat you wrote nonsense.

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And why should the Russian Federation trust Ukraine?

It should not. But we just didn’t have any guarantees in the Russian Federation.

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This is your purely personal opinion.

This confirms that you lousy and not even trying to justify.

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Of course, countries voluntarily renounced nuclear weapons.

Yes, and it was them that you insulted.

[smiths xnumx]

They smashed something for a long time.

Nevertheless, the contract was completed in full and on time. There are no official complaints from Cyprus. What other questions?

Once again I repeat you wrote nonsense.

I don’t write in literary Ukrainian, where do my mother and grandmother (Sumy region) come from, speak Russian language from Google specifically for you:

Vsrashshsy shout our bere

This confirms that you lousy and not even trying to justify.

And I’m not going to. Sick Kars keep raving. Show Must Go On ...

Yes, and it was them that you insulted.

Wow. The recognition of the fact of voluntary abandonment of nuclear weapons is already an insult to the country. Only something on this branch, I do not see either Belarusians, or Kazakhs, or even more so from South Africa. There is only one hysterical representative of the "Square". Take me to court.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Nevertheless

Long. And on time it doesn’t look like. And the claim, what can I say. Cyprus did not want T-90

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And I’m not going to.

Who would doubt

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only something on this branch I neither Belarusians, nor Kazakhs, nor even more so the Yuarovites.

This is good for you. And the fact that you insulted them is clear.

[smiths xnumx]

Long. And on time it doesn’t look like. And the claim, what can I say. Cyprus did not want T-90

Where are the claims of Cyprus? No, but no, and no trial. At the same time, where was the T-90 offered to Cyprus? And even if they suggested, what of this? He who pays orders music. Cyprus pays, he orders. I wanted the T-80U to receive the T-80U, I would like the T-90 to receive the T-90. everything else is your sick nonsense.

Who would doubt

In what. in your mental health? I certainly did not doubt that he was completely upset and that you were sick with the Tarasenko virus. The virus is named by the name of the first sick person and is treated if it does not become chronic. There is also a virus "kotobluda", a serious illness of the nervous system (sometimes called chronic trident syndrome), causes a terrible allergy to goods made in Russia, when seeing goods made in Ukraine falls into ecstasy the patient does not behave adequately, often sings "Ukraine has not died yet." , sometimes the patient has an exacerbation. Don't worry so it will let you go.

This is good for you. And the fact that you insulted them is clear.

I have already answered, I do not see a single complaint from BELARUSIANS, nor from KAZAKH, nor from SOUTH AFRICAN. I see only one complaint from the turned on the whole head of Kars.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Where are the claims of Cyprus?

Quote: Kars

Long. And on time it doesn’t look like. And the claim, what can I say. Cyprus did not want T-90

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Cyprus pays, he orders. Wanted T-80Y got T-80Y, would like T-90 would get T-90. everything else is your sick nonsense.

Something for their money Cyprus received music for a long time, and T-90 did not want to.

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you are sick with the Tarasenko virus

It’s strange, but what does it have to do with it? Then you have Khlopotov’s virus for the whole ass, what do you think.

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causes a terrible allergy to goods manufactured in Russia, falls into the sight of goods made in Ukraine

This is an indicator of your psychosis on the basis of envy of Ukraine, as well as many of your comments both locally and not. Your favorite occupation is to re-write muck about Ukraine))

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I have already answered, I do not see a single complaint from BELARUSIANS, nor from KAZAKH, nor from SOUTH AFRICAN.

Well, there are few such selfless people to read, and even more so to disassemble your incoherent flood.

[smiths xnumx]

Something for their money Cyprus received music for a long time, and T-90 did not want to.

Where are the claims of Cyprus? A link to them? And not on the opinion of the poor "eksperd" under the nickname Kars. According to the documents, the agreements were completed in full and on time, about which an OFFICIAL report of Russia to the UN was submitted.

Quote: Kars
Quote: smiths xnumx
Will you blame the government of the Russian Federation for providing a false report to the UN?
It is not excluded.

Answer us soon through the dopa chief doctor.
Sincerely. Date, signature ... Answer us, and
then
If you don’t respond, we will write to Sportloto.

Write Kars, write.

It’s strange, but what does it have to do with it? Then you have Khlopotov’s virus for the whole ass, what do you think.

Well, find me where I refer to Khlopotov. You are just the first to refer to him.

This is an indicator of your psychosis on the basis of envy of Ukraine, as well as many of your comments both locally and not. Your favorite occupation is to re-write muck about Ukraine))

I already wrote again, I am half Ukrainian (by my mother), I have a bunch of relatives in Ukraine, my wife is half Ukrainian (by my father). And how can I hate parts of myself. I distinguish I simply distinguish, the official Ukrainian "state", with its mania, Russophobia and praise of the cat-dog Bandera and other Shlyukhevychs, with the Ukrainian people, to which my mother and partly I have the honor to belong. And I really hope that soon Ukraine (at least East, South and Crimea) will reunite with its older sister.

Well, there are few such selfless people to read, and even more so to disassemble your incoherent flood.

Come on, you are the only one with a grenade on a tank, you are our "selfless", look around the orderlies with a straitjacket are not sneaking around. I haven't laughed like that for a long time. He named one svp67, and he recoiled from you like a plague. Along the way, you've got everyone here.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Where are the claims of Cyprus?

Quote: Kars

Long. And on time it doesn’t look like. And the claim, what can I say. Cyprus did not want T-90

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Write Kars, write.

Surely, it’s necessary to stop your nonsense.

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Well, find me where I refer to Khlopotov.

Where am I at Tarasenko?

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I already wrote again, I am half Ukrainian (by mother), I have a bunch of relatives in Ukraine, my wife is half Ukrainian (by father)

This does not cancel your psychosis, but probably even enhances it.

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I really hope that soon Ukraine (at least East, South and Crimea) will reunite with its older sister

Wow, we divide into younger-senior)) then you will be segregated, you will be able to teach mind-to-mind as elders)))

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I haven’t laughed like that for a long time. He called one svp67, and even that one recoiled from you as from a plague

Not yet evening.

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you already got everyone here on the move.

Who else?

[smiths xnumx]

Surely, it’s necessary to stop your nonsense.

All epic drain is protected. That is, the answer to my question will not follow:

Where are the claims of Cyprus? A link to them? And not on the opinion of the poor "eksperd" under the nickname Kars. According to the documents, the agreement was completed in full and on time, about which an OFFICIAL report of Russia to the UN was submitted.

Continue to believe in your "conspiracy theory" issued by a fevered brain and carry on the next delirium.

Quote: Kars
Quote: smiths xnumx
Will you blame the government of the Russian Federation for providing a false report to the UN?
It is not excluded.

How many times have I turned to you with a request to call me to you, but by the way to continue to pay attention to such a rude stupid as YOU I'm already tired.

Where am I at Tarasenko?

And here I referred to him.

This does not cancel your psychosis, but probably even enhances it.

Continue hysteria and carry on nonsense. However, I really think the "independent Ukrainian state" is a cheap, vulgar operetta, headed by clinical thieves, fools and beggars. "I'm glad she's not glad that she's glad" Well, something like this:

[smiths xnumx]

Wow, we divide into younger-senior)) then you will be segregated, you will be able to teach mind-to-mind as elders)))

There are no people like you, together with Tarasenko and Kotobred, in one ward of a psychiatric hospital. we will give you a set of soldiers and plastic tanks and howl to your health after an injection of a sedative. And we will return the "Westerners" to the Poles, they will vividly remember the "Volyn massacre", and again they will be in Lviv, as before 1939, at all decent places there will be signs: "People with dogs and UKRAINIANS ENTRY PROHIBITED."

Not yet evening.

"Already midnight is approaching, but Herman (svp67) is still gone. He never came to stand up a frantic hysterical" eksperd ", As, incidentally, I don't see offended Belarusians, Kazakhs, South Africans on the branch, and I don't see Ukrainians, except for one hysterical, sick on the whole head "eksperda." So, continue to drain further, the next drain is protected.

Who else?

Well, for example, Vladimir under the nickname smile, on a branch

Cooperation with Vietnam. Money and politics

Yesterday, 14: 55 ↑

smiths xnumx
Bliiiin, I'm sorry !!!! The fact is that Kars, in my opinion, is the only person. who blacklisted me (by the way, he didn’t understand why, because if I argued with him, then, unlike some, he really didn’t get on me :)))). Well, imagine, I see a series of your comments, one by one ... the comments do not indicate to whom they are addressed ..... so I read them and reread them ... it seems that you are addressing Ryabov specifically Kirill ...
Now everything is clear. My attitude to Kars is similar to yours.

Well, you know my opinion about yourself - a vulgar hysterical stupid clown, mowing under "eksperda". I will not say anything about the opinions of MG 42 and ATATA participants, I did not participate in the discussion on this thread. However, on this thread, someone regularly gives me pluses, and you minuses. Who are you unknown? Please write PM, I want to thank you and at least shake hands in virtual.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

em like you with

Well, say hello to Napoleon - what kind of blacksmith is making plans)))

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"Already midnight is approaching, but Herman (svp67) is still gone. He never came to get up in the frantic hysterical" eksperd "

Taki came)))) read below the clown)))

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Now everything is clear. My attitude to Kars is similar to yours

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MG 42 and ATATA

So you have a lot of such clowns. Ataty was completely frostbitten, I didn’t even argue with him, I sent him immediately to the emergency situations, MG42 was a neo-Nazi with a nickname from Hitler’s Spit. You yourself admitted Ukrainophobia, but it's funny with you.

[smiths xnumx]

Well, say hello to Napoleon - what kind of blacksmith is making plans)))

No hi will be conveyed to him by the sick Kars, from the ward with Tarasenko and Kotobud, after another enchanting victory over the "sworn moskalyami".

Taki came)))) read below the clown)))

He got a man after all. Well, what did he say.

What can I tell you? The fact that in our Sverdlovsk region in honor of the celebration of the "Day of the Tankman" the governor used to hold festive events to which they invited both designers and operators, that is, us sinners ... And there, after the feast, there were opportunities for direct communication. You know, a lot of interesting things you learn, so to speak from "first hand". Including about "who and where, and most importantly HOW solved" issues, especially in the issue of championship. And honestly, not everything from the story is "accessible, to understanding." For example - why Leningraders were not "allowed" to modify the T80 with a 2V2 diesel engine? At least as an experiment, so as not to create a more perfect competitor to the "born T90". And for this, "undercover methods" were also undertaken. Since the tank that we know today as the T90 was not supposed to be like that ... Another good thing is that the situation is changing, in terms of the T90, and for the better ...

Almost the same as me, that they slipped the document to the most senior Russian alcoholic, and he waved it without reading. About intrigues in between KB. I did not deny this either. Or is it different in Ukraine? Thanks of course to the respected svp67 for the information.

So you have a lot of such clowns. Ataty was completely frostbitten, I didn’t even argue with him, I sent him immediately to the emergency situations, MG42 was a neo-Nazi with a nickname from Hitler’s Spit. You yourself admitted Ukrainophobia, but it's funny with you.

And I look at you alone, with a grenade at the tank, until the orderlies came. I read the statements of both MG 42 and ATATA and did not see anything funny or even more fascist. Especially as I understood MG 42 from the CPU in general. Their opinion of you is no better. Well, what about Ukrainophobia at the wrong gate. However, it’s funny to you too. Keep making me laugh further my funny clown ...

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

No hello will convey to him

Do not bring down from the ball head to the healthy.

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He got a man after all. Well, what did he say.

What did the clown eat? And snotted further. And he confirmed what I said, and not you a clown.

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Almost the same as me

No, to put it mildly, you were mixed up with hav, and you are smiling. As I said T-90 is not the best solution.

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I also read the statements of both MG 42 and ATATA and did not see anything funny or even more fascist

Yes, you would lie justified, but not.

[smiths xnumx]

Do not bring down from the ball head to the healthy.

So I have no currency with my healthy on your sick.

What did the clown eat? And snotted further. And he confirmed what I said, and not you a clown.

Especially for the patient Kars, I quote:

Kuznetsov 1977 RU August 19, 2013 22:30 | MIC of Ukraine - guns for the sake of fat
You yourself believe that the drunk who has not served in the army for a single day had what to do with making decisions on tanks? Rave? He brought a screenshot, they just slipped a paper with the name to Borka, and said that this was the first RUSSIAN tank he pushed without reading, I doubt that he was not drunk. In those days it made no difference to him whether tanks would be produced or not. He had a "friend Bill, you know."

No, to put it mildly, you were mixed up with hav, and you are smiling. As I said T-90 is not the best solution.

In 2003, the Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation N.V. Kormiltsev called the T-72 the most effective example of armored military equipment in real combat conditions.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2-72

Another "fellow countryman", though born in Siberia, in Omsk, why didn't he defend the T-80? And it is difficult to accuse him of unprofessionalism. And as you know, the T-90 is a logical continuation of the T-72, so I mixed you "eksperd" with shit yesterday,

Kuznetsov 1977 RU Yesterday, 09:49 | MIC of Ukraine - guns for the sake of fat

Keep hysteria further.

[smiths xnumx]

Yes, you would lie justified, but not.

"Eksperd" breathe deeper, you are excited. I look, I have already forgotten how to write in Russian because of hysterics. Well, don't worry, and they will cure you! Just don't break the monitor on your computer ahead of time, otherwise you probably spat it out of indignation.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Well, do not worry and you will be treated!

in this phrase, the letter And mrgo says. That's just how you can promise something if you have not been identified.

[smiths xnumx]

in this phrase, the letter And mrgo says. That's just how you can promise something if you have not been identified.

And I have never been sick, and therefore do not pounce insults at a person who has a different point of view from mine.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

And I never got sick

It’s not necessary to deny the obvious. But you are healed, try it can feel better.

[smiths xnumx]

It’s not necessary to deny the obvious. But you are healed, try it can feel better.

Patient under the nickname Kars do not apply your diagnosis to strangers. Your disease, thank God, is not transmitted through the monitor.

[Kars]

Quote: Kars

But you heal, try it may feel better.

[smiths xnumx]

Quote: Kars

Quote: Kars
But you heal, try it may feel better.

Write ISCHO, it looks like your orderly has a vacation and you got to the Internet.

[Kars]

Quote: Kars

But you heal, try it may feel better.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

So I’m not a currency with my healthy on your sick

Yes, just a hysterical turn.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

No, to put it mildly, you were mixed up with hav, and you are smiling. As I said T-90 is not the best solution.

this is true truth.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

In 2003, the Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation N.V. Kormiltsev named the T-72

And what else can I say? Did he have any choice? And where does the T-72 to the T-90 clown?

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

as you know, the T-90 is a logical continuation of the T-72, so I mixed you "eksperd" with shit yesterday,

Well, you and the clown)))

wipe off again

Quote: svp67
I’m afraid that the true answer will not be as clear as the author is trying to prove. And if the first president of Russia had suddenly been a native of Siberia, the author would have now argued that T80 is much better than T64 and T72, which is much easier by the way

[smiths xnumx]

Yes, just a hysterical turn.

If you were sick, I would not be so sure.

And what else can I say? Did he have any choice? And where does the T-72 to the T-90 clown?

The patient, and who proved to me with foam at the mouth what day in a row that the T-90 and T-72 are the same thing and even gave a screenshot.

And his choice in 2003 was the T-80, and also the T-64 with the T-62.

Well, you and the clown)))
wipe off again

Of course, I understand that the respected svp67 authoritative comrade, but the commander in chief of the ground forces of the Russian Federation N.V. Kormiltsev is somehow more authoritative for me.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

That is, the answer to my question will not follow

here is the answer

Quote: Kars

Long. And on time it doesn’t look like. And the claim, what can I say. Cyprus did not want T-90

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

How many times have I turned to you with a request to call me to you, but by the way to continue to pay attention to such a rude stupid as YOU I'm already tired.

And you didn’t work for you.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

independent Ukrainian state "a cheap vulgar operetta, headed by clinical thieves, fools and beggars.

So I’m talking about this - you have psychosis on the basis of Ukraine, and most likely out of envy, as many said without the Russian Federation, we will die of starvation and crawl back up ourselves, and for 20 we’ll not die for years, and without oil and gas.

[smiths xnumx]

here is the answer
Quote: Kars
Long. And on time it doesn’t look like. And the claim, what can I say. Cyprus did not want T-90

That is, with denial of contract performance in general:

Cyprus is yes, 96 years old, and until now the contact has not been fulfilled, which says a lot.

we have already moved on to the deadlines. Ill, you are undoubtedly progressing for the better. Now about "long", where are the official claims of Cyprus? And even if the T-90 was offered to Cyprus, which I personally do not strongly doubt, it is up to the customer to choose which tank. Cyprus chose the T-80U, especially since they already had 41 T-80Us, which makes it easier to train crews and supply spare parts.

And you didn’t work for you.

Keep up the good work of the hysterical woman, she may be banned, and we will lose the "pleasure" of reading your incoherent nonsense. Honestly though. I'll even get a little upset. It will be a pity to lose such a funny clown.

So I’m talking about this - you have psychosis on the basis of Ukraine, and most likely out of envy, as many said without the Russian Federation, we will die of starvation and crawl back up ourselves, and for 20 we’ll not die for years, and without oil and gas.

The next drain is protected. I have a lot of relatives in Ukraine, my mother communicates with them every week on Skype. They come to visit us, we used to sit over a glass of tea with lard. Yes, and the company where I work, quite a lot of Ukrainian "workers", So that I have information. There is nothing good in Ukraine. Personally, my opinion, which by the way does not like my mother, has long ago got rid of illusions about the "Slavic brotherhood" and put pressure on this "non-state" (for Georgia in 2008, for the UNA-UNSO militants in Chechnya, for open Russophobia in politics, etc.) etc.) like a stinking bug. however, this is already happening. As the hero of the film "Brother-2" said: "You will answer me for Sevastopol!"

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

That is, with denial of contract performance in general:

keep tupit you clown plums do not protect.

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... Now about "long", where are the official claims of Cyprus?

Quote: Kars

Long. And on time it doesn’t look like. And the claim, what can I say. Cyprus did not want T-90

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Keep up the good work hysterical, maybe banned

please

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. I have a lot of relatives in Ukraine

So that's why there’s even more psychosis. Envy parses, you run the articles about Chernukha about Ukraine,

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

as the hero of the film "Brother-2" said: "You will answer me for Sevastopol!"

In the most real Ukrainophobe.

[smiths xnumx]

keep tupit you clown plums do not protect.

Start over:

Cyprus is yes, 96 years old, and until now the contact has not been fulfilled, which says a lot.

Now let's continue:

Quote: Kars
Quote: smiths xnumx
Will you blame the government of the Russian Federation for providing a false report to the UN?
It is not excluded.

Kars is completely satisfied with the "eksperd" hysteria. Continue to drain further.

please

Why the hell do I need you, hysterical.

So that's why there’s even more psychosis. Envy parses, you run the articles about Chernukha about Ukraine,

You cannot denigrate that \. which is black in itself, like an under-draft "state of Ukraine". So I have no envy, I go to Ukraine to visit my relatives, I drink vodka with them, I eat lard, I communicate normally with normal, adequate Ukrainians, there are no problems. Well, the truth comes across such individuals like you, but this is already a clinic, it is not treated.

In the most real Ukrainophobe.

"Blessed is he who believes." See answer above.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Start over:

Forget about Cyprus.

Quote: Kars

Long. And on time it doesn’t look like. And the claim, what can I say. Cyprus did not want T-90

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Why the hell do I need you, hysterical.

The fact that you write comments proves the opposite homosexual hysterical))

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You can’t slander that. which is black in itself

But you will put a lot of effort into posting the Chernukha, if I didn’t know that you are a psycho turned in Ukraine, I would think that you are paid for it.

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Blessed is he who believes. "See answer above

You are the real Ukrainophobe. This is undeniable.

[smiths xnumx]

Forget about Cyprus.

All enchanting drain in the subject of the contract with Cyprus is counted.

The fact that you write comments proves the opposite homosexual hysterical))

Wow, what a lively self-confident cockerel, how many of you have scribbled them, and I will answer you, as you noticed calmly, without any extra emotions.

But you will put a lot of effort into posting the Chernukha, if I didn’t know that you are a psycho turned in Ukraine, I would think that you are paid for it.

I am just stating the facts, enchanting "peremog" of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, and you are mad because you cannot refute them and they do not fit into your sorrowful matrix.

You are the real Ukrainophobe. This is undeniable.

Today, however, I will certainly inform my mother, grandmother and wife, as well as relatives (Kiev, Sumy, Sumy region) and all the Ukrainians I know about this “discovery” of yours. Let's laugh together.

[Kars]

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Well, Americans, South Koreans and Japanese do not think so

Some found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq)))

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at the same time, do not enlighten what weapons for its armed forces Thailand, in contrast to the DPRK, which almost completely satisfies its weapons needs (except for the air force), produces independently.

Thailand, unlike Korea, is not starving, and it can afford to buy weapons.

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Chinese copy of the T-54A.

Chinese, not T-72 manufacturing plant

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Si vis pacem, para bellum (rus. "If you want peace - prepare for war").

Plus, the situation in the region is very unstable, and the strangest alliances are possible. At the same time, conflicts are possible with Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam - which, to hell, China can support.

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used as a royal yacht and tourist route.

Monarchy understand.

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I didn’t drink with the Brudershaft and you didn’t switch to it.

Cho so arguments ended? Or attentiveness appeared, I already called you a groove of twenty on, and you only got a bit ashamed of the clown.

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that logic nervously smokes on the sidelines.

It’s not for you to judge the clown about logic, you are completely unfamiliar with her.

[smiths xnumx]

Some found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq)))

In Iraq, they found WMD-bacteriological. Moreover, Iraq had previously actively used chemical weapons in the war with Iran, and in 1988 in the war against the Kurds.

Thailand, unlike Korea, is not starving, and it can afford to buy weapons.

First, the DPRK imposed international sanctions, including arms embargo. Secondly, rumors of the current famine in the DPRK are greatly exaggerated. Third, over 6 million people live in Thailand below the poverty line. This is 9,5% of the total number of Thais. Carriers of the AIDS virus or patients - 570 thousand

Chinese, not T-72 manufacturing plant

Well? China generally built a tank factory in Pakistan (Al-Khalid) The reasons why the USSR and Russia do not supply weapons to Pakistan, I have repeatedly explained above, there is no need to repeat.

Plus, the situation in the region is very unstable, and the strangest alliances are possible. At the same time, conflicts are possible with Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam - which, to hell, China can support.

Another nonsense of a gray gelding named Kars. What conflicts with whom? With Cambodia, which does not have its own combat aircraft, in which the civil war has just recently ended, there are border conflicts, but no more; Laos with a 30th army with 35 tanks (10 T-34-85, 10 PT-76, 15 T-55) and also without the Air Force (for comparison, Thailand has a 200th army); or Myanmar, in which the civil war does not stop from the moment of its formation and in which constant military coups. I especially liked the thesis about the alliance of Cambodia with Vietnam, which had occupied it for 10 years (1978-1989). Or about the alliance of Vietnam with China, this is generally a song. Learn the map and equipment. Moreover, Vietnam has no land border with Thailand at all, and while the Thai fleet is at sea, it covers a Vietnamese sheep like a bull.

[smiths xnumx]

Monarchy understand.

Come on, just something I didn’t hear that the Queen of Great Britain used an aircraft carrier instead of a yacht, or about a Belgian or Dutch or Danish or Norwegian or Swedish king. True, all of these and aircraft carriers do not, however, they do not use warships as pleasure yachts.

Cho so arguments ended? Or attentiveness appeared, I already called you a groove of twenty on, and you only got a bit ashamed of the clown.

It’s not for you to judge the clown about logic, you are completely unfamiliar with her.

Well, this is a matter of psychiatry. It looks like they went to the psychiatric hospital, or the sick Kars just escaped. Read Putin’s answer on a nearby branch. Well, and especially for you- PSHEL IS HISTORY !!!.

[Kars]

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Come on, just something I didn’t hear the Queen of Great Britain use an aircraft carrier instead of a yacht

Well, you never know what you did not hear.

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Well this is a matter of psychiatry

Yes, it's time for you to go to a psychiatrist.

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read Putin’s answer on a nearby branch.

Personally Putin, to me personally? Send him from me to Croatia)))

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u and especially for you- PSHEL WON HISTORY !!!.

Well, why are you talking about yourself in the third person? Write to me, it’s interesting and fun.

[smiths xnumx]

Well, you never know what you did not hear.

that is, there will be no answer. Let’s write it down: the next drain of the gray gelding named Kars

Yes, it's time for you to go to a psychiatrist.

After you, women and patients with disabilities, I usually skip ahead.

Personally Putin, to me personally? Send him from me to Croatia)))

Well, my friend, I see you have already begun to delusions of grandeur; look this way to the chamber with Napoleon, Alexander the Great and Hitler nearby.

Well, why are you talking about yourself in the third person? Write to me, it’s interesting and fun.

No, it’s just about YOU. However, I even began to like this circus with horses, or rather with a gray gelding named Kars

[Kars]

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that is, there will be no answer. Let’s write it down: the next drain of the gray gelding named Kar

Something you lately like a parrot about the drain))) is hard to see. And the fact that you have a small horizons and you do not perceive the printed information is already clear.

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After you, women and patients with disabilities, I usually skip ahead.

Since I will not let you go forward after such a thing, all the more so, everything progresses for you.

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Well, my friend, I look at you already megalomania has begun

It’s strange why I have it, you write that the answer for me is from Putin, and I ask again)) well, not a clown))

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Roch I even began to like this circus with horses, more precisely with a gray gelding named Kars

Then why are you hysterical and whimpering? Being a man - oh I forgot you latent fagot))

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

In Iraq, they found WMD-bacteriological.

And is there a link?

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Moreover, Iraq previously actively used chemical weapons in the war with Iran, and in 1988 in the war against the Kurds.

Applied. But the reason for the war was a little different content.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

First, the DPRK imposed international sanctions, including arms embargo.

You undertook to prove my case for me))))

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. Secondly, rumors of the current famine in the DPRK are greatly exaggerated

This conclusion is that you made Kim Jong In))))
Also say that S. Korea refused food ___ type u have everything.

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Third, more than 6 million people live in Thailand below the poverty line. This is 9,5% of the total number of Thais. Carriers of the AIDS virus or patients - 570 thousand

So what? Can you also say that speedoids, if necessary, cannot be used as cannon fodder))))

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Well? China generally built a tank factory in Pakistan (Al-Khalid)

And they build tanks with Ukrainian diesel engines.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

The reasons for which the USSR and Russia do not supply weapons to Pakistan, I have repeatedly explained above, there is no need to repeat.

You cannot explain something in principle, while your explanation will not change the fact of the construction of a plant in India,

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Another nonsense of a gray gelding named Kars.

Well, nonsense for you, and in that regina there is a very tense military-political situation.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Moreover, Vietnam does not have a land border with Thailand at all, and while the Thai fleet is at sea, it covers a Vietnamese sheep like a bull.

They wrote themselves - get ready for war, to have an advantage over neighbors is the guarantor of peace, here Thailand is arming itself. But you are so stupid that you do not understand it.

[smiths xnumx]

And is there a link?

Of course there is.

500 chemical munitions were found in various parts of Iraq. Most of them have been found since March 2003, when the coalition forces launched a military operation in Iraq, according to a report by US intelligence agencies provided to the US government. The report was circulated by GOP members from the Republican Party. A statement was prepared in early April of this year, but intelligence information remained classified until yesterday ...
... During the fighting in the warehouses in various parts of Iraq, artillery shells filled with poisonous gases were discovered

http://www.rbc.ua/rus/top/society/v_irake_nashli_oruzhie_massovogo_porazheniya__
1150970603

Reference to a Ukrainian source, in order to avoid accusations of bias.

You undertook to prove my case for me))))

. I don’t even think so. What is your point?

So what? Can you also say that speedoids, if necessary, cannot be used as cannon fodder))))

Trasvestites can also be used. And women make excellent snipers, but for some reason they are not called up to the army everywhere (except Israel).

And they build tanks with Ukrainian diesel engines.

Even with French, even Angolan, even from Papua New Guinea, it makes no difference to me.

You cannot explain something in principle, while your explanation will not change the fact of the construction of a plant in India,

Keep raving on. The USSR built a tank plant in India perfectly, now the T-90s are assembled there. Hindus are happy, Russia also supplying assembly kits for assembly. What's wrong?

Well, nonsense for you, and in that regina there is a very tense military-political situation.

Between whom and by whom? Between Vietnam and China, yes, there has been centuries-old enmity since the time of emperors. There is little tension between Cambodia and Thailand, but the Cambodians really understand their strength (the absence of the Air Force and Navy), so they do not rock the boat. And Indonesia and Malaysia have enough struggle with the Islamists. Moreover, Indonesia would have kept its own, in 1997, East Timor captured by it became independent, and now there is a problem with western Papua, where the Papuans are guerrilla.

[smiths xnumx]

They wrote themselves - get ready for war, to have an advantage over neighbors is the guarantor of peace, here Thailand is arming itself. But you are so stupid that you do not understand it.

And who says that it’s bad that Thailand is arming itself is his own business, especially if there is money, his neighbors also buy weapons, including and in Russia. Everything else is a question for your psychiatrist. See Putin’s answer on a nearby branch.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

who says bad

Therefore, you leaked the topic, it is typical for you to go in some direction, and then otmazvatsa.

[smiths xnumx]

Therefore, you leaked the topic, it is typical for you to go in some direction, and then otmazvatsa.

Drop dead, however, count as you want, as you know, they are not offended by the sick.

Quote: smiths xnumx
Quote: Kars
Quote: smiths xnumx
Will you blame the government of the Russian Federation for providing a false report to the UN?
It is not excluded.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

figuratively, however, count as you want, as you know, they are not offended by patients.

So I'm not offended by you. Don’t worry.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

500 chemical munitions found in different parts of Iraq. Most of them have been found since March 2003.

Wow, wow. Now the invasion of Iraq has become legitimate, and why did the British experts end their lives))
That's just you about bacteriological tales told.

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I don’t even think so. What is your point?

About a low place S. more likely in the rating of the sun.

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Trasvestites can also be used. And women make excellent snipers, but for some reason they are not called up to the army everywhere (except Israel)

Really? Do you know that women serve in the armed forces of many countries? Or do you need snipers? And it makes no difference to me whether or not a machine is transvestite in hand and forward.

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The USSR built a tank plant in India perfectly, now the T-90 is assembled there.

That is why the T-90 is assembled there. In India, in principle, there was no alternative.

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Hindus are satisfied

Not really, but they have nowhere to go.

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Between whom and by whom?

Yes, you can say between everyone, but you can’t understand this with your level of mental development.

[smiths xnumx]

Wow, wow. Now the invasion of Iraq has become legitimate, and why did the British experts end their lives))
That's just you about bacteriological tales told.

Soldiers of the Dutch contingent in Iraq, stationed in the southeastern province of Al-Mutanna, found ten artillery shells that, according to the military, can be equipped with biological charges.

http://www.gazeta.ru/2003/10/18/last101817.shtml

So what they found, of course, not everything they wanted, but they did. For what purpose the British scientists committed suicide, you can ask them in the next world. Well, at the same time, what did 1650 Ukrainian troops do in Iraq (since August 2003; the main contingent was withdrawn in December 2005, the remainder in December 2008), of which 18 or more than 42 wounded were killed?

About a low place S. more likely in the rating of the sun.

So I am surprised. The DPRK has nuclear weapons, the army of millions has its own fairly well-developed arms production, and in all, at 28, it is lower than some of Thailand and Ukraine.

Really? Do you know that women serve in the armed forces of many countries? Or do you need snipers? And it makes no difference to me whether or not a machine is transvestite in hand and forward.

In the course, in the USA and fagots serve and what? But the official appeal is only in two countries (Israel and the DPRK). By the way, and you yourself have looked after your place with transvestites or fagots, personally, I would prefer with women, especially Ukrainian.

That is why the T-90 is assembled there. In India, in principle, there was no alternative.

There is ALWAYS an alternative. Indians did not want to buy MiG-29 and smoked "Rafale", did not want Mi-28 and "Apache", etc. It's just that the T-90 Indians, like its predecessor T-72, are completely satisfied, therefore they constantly increase their purchases:

In 2008, Indian Defense Minister D. Singh called the T-90 “the second deterrent after nuclear weapons” [57] in a conflict with Pakistan, which threatened to spill over into a large-scale nuclear war.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2-90

[smiths xnumx]

Yes, you can say between everyone, but you can’t understand this with your level of mental development.

Continue to rave further, may let go. For the rest, see Putin’s answer on a nearby branch.

[Kars]

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continue to rave on, maybe let go. For the rest, see Putin’s answer on a nearby branch.

Personally to me? Putin))) Well, you're a clown.

[smiths xnumx]

I repeat SPECIALLY for those who are in the tank, deaf, wretched and blind, as well as PERSONAL for Kars with the words of our president V.V. Putin

This is a sign of weakness when opponents become rude, Putin said. Who calls names, that’s what they call

[Kars]

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in the words of our president V.V. Putin

He is your president, let him give you brains (unless of course they are) and powder.
And with stubborn donkeys and clowns it makes no sense to talk differently. They neither write logic, nor knowledge, sheer nonsense, they can’t even read their own links, but they are distinguished by excessive self-confidence.

[smiths xnumx]

Again, the answer on Putin specifically for the hysterical "experts" with brains undermined by the defense of the "achievements" of the "Ukrainian military-industrial complex":

This is a sign of weakness when opponents become rude, Putin said. Who calls names, that’s what they call

[Kars]

Quote: Kars

He is your president, let him give you brains (unless of course they are) and powder.
And with stubborn donkeys and clowns it makes no sense to talk differently. They neither write logic, nor knowledge, sheer nonsense, they can’t even read their own links, but they are distinguished by excessive self-confidence.

[Kars]

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which, according to the military, can be equipped with biological charges.

As many as ten sleepwalkers))) according to))) go walk the clown))

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. Well, at the same time, what did 1650 Ukrainian troops do in Iraq (since August 2003; the main contingent was withdrawn in December 2005, the remainder in December 2008), of which 18 and more than 42 wounded died?

Nobody pulled them by force, all the contractors who passed competitive selection did what they did - they made money, got combat experience, and improved the country's image.

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So I am surprised. The DPRK has nuclear weapons, the army of millions has its own fairly well-developed arms production, and in all, at 28, it is lower than some of Thailand and Ukraine.

Do not be lazy and look carefully - at least to whom I say - a clown who sees figs in his own links. And the fact that you are dumb is already clear.

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In the course, in the USA and fagots serve and what?

Let them serve.

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By the way, and you yourself where you looked after your place with transvestites or fagots, I personally would prefer with women, especially Ukrainian.

Nothing shines for you except fagots, but I personally am not going to join the army anymore.

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There is ALWAYS an alternative

In tank matters, India would have been too expensive an alternative.

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Just the Indians T-90, like his predecessor T-72, is completely satisfied, that's why they constantly increase his purchases:

if they were completely satisfied, they would not torment Arjun and Arjun 2.

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2008 Indian Defense Minister D. Singh called the T-90 “the second deterrent after nuclear weapons”

Well, at least not the first, and probably the Indian Air Force was offended by this))

[smiths xnumx]

As many as ten sleepwalkers))) according to))) go walk the clown))

The next drain is protected.

Nobody pulled them by force, all the contractors who passed competitive selection did what they did - they made money, got combat experience, and improved the country's image.

The only pity is that the Iraqi partisans killed only 18 Ukrainian occupiers, it was necessary much more. However, these woeful warriors in Iraq became famous only for looting and cowardice. Here are the recollections of one of them:

... The next case was not so catastrophic in terms of the number of victims, but no less vile ... Despite the fact that the entire personnel of the convoy, led by Walker (the commander of the second platoon, usually in command of the convoy), demanded immediate assistance to the allies , he behaved like the last one to ... To begin with, he tried to contact the headquarters for five minutes. Apparently, he hoped that the headquarters would not give permission to intervene. The Poles, seeing that such a mess fits together, and the score in the battle goes on for a second, rushed to help their own. As usual, according to the law of meanness, there is no connection, but when he nevertheless got through, to his great chagrin, the headquarters gave the go-ahead. Then he said:


- For x-th me your "good". You are there, and I am here. And I will have to answer ...


The battle ended without ours. The Poles lost two killed and two more wounded. Got to the local Arabs, who fell under the gap of a land mine. When ours passed through this place, they saw how the bodies of the dead were loaded onto cars. Following our Poles showed the middle finger. With this gesture in Babylon our convoys met for a long time. Returning to base, Walker sobbed like a child ...

Source: http://novosti-n.mk.ua/ukraine_article/read/852.html

received combat experience, improved the country's image

There are many more memories.

Four Ukrainian troops were expelled from Iraq. As the Rosbalt correspondent was informed in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, such a decision was made due to numerous violations of the charter. In particular, we are talking about the "low moral and psychological qualities" of the soldiers of the 81st tactical group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Iraq. Or rather, about the banal abuse of alcohol and sexual licentiousness.

http://www.rosbalt.ru/2005/09/16/226656.html?#1752

Well, what can we say which country is such and combat experience (cowardice) and image (looting) Haha. Write the clown ISCHO ...

[smiths xnumx]

Do not be lazy and look carefully - at least to whom I say - a clown who sees figs in his own links. And the fact that you are dumb is already clear.

Everything is clear, again there are no arguments. The next drain is protected. You're not tired of draining the clown yet.

Let them serve.

Let them serve correctly, we must at the same time transfer this beneficial experience to the Ukrainian "army", especially since the "gay parade" in Kiev has already been held.

Nothing shines for you except fagots, but I personally am not going to join the army anymore.

To us, in the army of Russia, homosexuals are OFFICIALLY not called upon. Or drain again?

In tank matters, India would have been too expensive an alternative.

Not more expensive than Arihant SSBNs, multipurpose fighters that they have been building for the last 30 years and their own aircraft carrier.

if they were completely satisfied, they would not torment Arjun and Arjun 2.

Indians torment a lot of things. See the list above.

Well, at least not the first, and probably the Indian Air Force was offended by this))

Everything is clear again, there are no arguments, continue to merge further. Listen to Kars, it is no longer interesting to communicate with you. Drain by drain. You should at least get ready for your next solo performance. Come on pull yourself up "eksperd" make me laugh again ...

[Kars]

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Everything is clear, again there are no arguments. The next drain is protected. You're not tired of draining the clown yet.

What is the argument? That you brought Jens and at the same time proved it without reading it)))

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Let them serve correctly, we must at the same time transfer this beneficial experience to the Ukrainian "army", especially since the "gay parade" in Kiev has already been held

Are you also a latent fagot? That you are so interested in homosuxealism, you follow the game parades)) I didn’t even know about this in Kiev))) fagot and Ukrainophobe - you’re getting wider and wider.

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e more expensive SSBN "Arihant", multipurpose fighters, which they have been building for the last 30 years and their own aircraft carrier

Again, the rule of logic rule)) may not be more expensive, but then some of the money transferred would not be enough))) or the rate of income would slow down - but to whom I will explain the hidden homosexual without intelligence and logic.

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Indians torment a lot of things. See the list above.

They want to get away from unreliable exporters that they didn’t deploy their own helicopter program as the Apaches bought it.

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Listen Kars, it’s not interesting to talk to you anymore. Drain after drain

Of course, for you it’s a plum, sticking your faces into your messy poke.

[smiths xnumx]

What is the argument? That you brought Jens and at the same time proved it without reading it)))

The list of your plums is already so big:
contract with Cyprus
Iraq, Sudan, ignorance of the Asia-Pacific region (I simply didn’t even bother to look at the map).
What your constant tantrums testify to.

Are you also a latent fagot? That you are so interested in homosuxealism, you follow the game parades)) I didn’t even know about this in Kiev))) fagot and Ukrainophobe - you’re getting wider and wider.

Sick, I'm watching you about sore, about the ass. Do not worry, the orderly will inject you a sedative. And to find out about the gay pride parades of Kiev, it’s enough to read Ukrainian forums and watch the news.

Again, the rule of logic rule)) may not be more expensive, but then some of the money transferred would not be enough))) or the rate of income would slow down - but to whom I will explain the hidden homosexual without intelligence and logic.

About a pedrilka, I see you perked up when you heard the words, dear to you, "homosexuality". In short, for a fag from Zaporozhye, I explain, the Indians want to be a self-sufficient state, and therefore they build SSBNs, combat aircraft, tanks, and other wunderwuffles, they have money for this. But the experience is still not enough.

They want to get away from unreliable exporters that they didn’t deploy their own helicopter program as the Apaches bought it.

The Indians are already producing their Chetak and Chitah helicopters under a French license and their own Dhruv, and are also developing their own combat helicopter HAL LCH. Only experience is still not enough.

HAL LCH - Indian attack helicopter developed by HAL, designed for high-altitude applications.
The development of the helicopter was launched in 2006. The first flight took place in March 2010. It is developed by the Indian national company HAL since 2006. Some of the technologies used in it have already been tested on another Indian helicopter - Dhruv. LCH certification will be completed according to the plans of the company by 2012-2013, and the delivery of the first aircraft to the Indian Air Force is expected in 2014-2015.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_LCH

So the cockerel, I repeat, teach you the materiel again!

[smiths xnumx]

Of course, for you it’s a plum, sticking your faces into your messy poke.

Who is poking. Are you? So you didn’t answer one question, you didn’t answer so clearly. Only continuous tantrums and stupid insults as in the Kindergarten.

[Kars]

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Who is poking. Are you?

I, many times poked you hysterical latent homosexual. And the picture shows that you often say that)))

[smiths xnumx]

Where in your wet dreams or during your next incoherent delirium. Wander on. "Halva, halva, halva, no matter how much you say, it will not be sweeter in your mouth anyway"

[Kars]

C'mon, do not waste your time, do not get distracted from tracking gay parades.))

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

The list of your plums is already so big:
contract with Cyprus
Iraq, Sudan, ignorance of the Asia-Pacific region (I simply didn’t even bother to look at the map).
What your constant tantrums testify to.

In addition to the controversial Cyprus, you were everywhere in flight, with such failures of logic and knowledge that it is possible that you graduated from school.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

to learn about gay pride parades in Kiev, it’s enough to read Ukrainian forums

C'mon, it’s clear that you are closely watching homosexuals by your comrades))

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People want to be a self-sufficient state, and therefore they build SSBNs, combat aircraft, tanks, and other wunderwaffles, money and

another jump from a topic that shows that the klokn has falsified himself mentioning the cost of the war projects of India in the context of the uncontested acceptance of the T-90

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

HAL LCH

Here, a fagot knocked me out - in helicopters I’m not very. But this is more likely an exception to the rule.

[smiths xnumx]

In addition to the controversial Cyprus, you were everywhere in flight, with such failures of logic and knowledge that it is possible that you graduated from school.

Go learn the globe of Ukraine. Some dangerous neighbors of Thailand, China and Vietnam and the Paracel Islands are worth a lot.

C'mon, it’s clear that you are closely watching homosexuals by your comrades))

Yes, I have long been watching on this site one funny fagot under the nickname Kars.

another jump from a topic that shows that the klokn has falsified himself mentioning the cost of the war projects of India in the context of the uncontested acceptance of the T-90

Come on! Made laugh.

Here, a fagot knocked me out - in helicopters I’m not very. But this is more likely an exception to the rule.

Don’t worry so much about a cockerel, your lover will come soon, he will calm you down. In the meantime, better train the materiel.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Go learn the globe of Ukraine. Some dangerous neighbors of Thailand, China and Vietnam and the Paracel Islands are worth a lot.

Well, you are unfamiliar with geopolitics, so you only have a globe that you like to pull on (though I’m not an owl along the way)))

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

and I have long been watching on this site one funny fagot under the nickname Kars.

Well, I admitted it, only now I’m loosening you up, I’m not homosexual like you - but I don’t dance your ass, stick it there whatever you want.

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Come on! Made laugh.

The fact that India did not have an alternative to the T-90? Laugh.

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In the meantime, better train up the materiel.

Helicopters are not interesting to me.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Another drain protected

What else can I take from you)) you have neither the mind nor the logic. We found as many 10 shells)) I suppose there are still expired

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However, these woeful warriors in Iraq became famous only for looting and cowardice.

It’s not bad either. You want to live be able to go around.

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Well, what can we say which country is such and combat experience (cowardice) and image (looting) Haha. Write a clown ISCHO

Well, you can always find negative, it pleases that when you were looking for it, you had to suffer. And to write - of course I will still write that you would continue to have hysteria.

[smiths xnumx]

What else can I take from you)) you have neither the mind nor the logic. We found as many 10 shells)) I suppose there are still expired

Found, and chemical already 500. So continue to merge further.

It’s not bad either. You want to live be able to go around.

Precisely "Sala to Hero! Hero to Hero!" or "Sala KHERoyam, death to curds!" But seriously, on the topic you seem to have nothing to say. That is, you agree with the looting and cowardice of ukro- "troops" in Iraq.

Well, you can always find negative, it pleases that when you were looking for it, you had to suffer. And to write - of course I will still write that you would continue to have hysteria.

Write ISCHO ... The only pity is the time that a fool breaks out on you from communicating with normal people.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

they’ve gone, and the chemical ones are already 500. So keep merging further.

It's not funny. But of course you will justify US aggression against Iraq for 10 shells with Biologists and 500 with chemical ones. Then why are you Ukrainian. Contingent call aggressors))) well, you homosexual clone crazy and logic.

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Precisely "Sala to Hero! Hero to Hero!" or "Sala KHeroyam, death to curds!

And more fat, and not like your toilets in Georgia, pi ..did)))

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That is, you agree with the looting and cowardice of ukro- "troops" in Iraq.

I don’t give a damn about him.

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Write ISCO ..

I will write.

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The only pity is the time that comes off

yes unlike))

[smiths xnumx]

It's not funny. But of course you will justify US aggression against Iraq for 10 shells with Biologists and 500 with chemical ones. Then why are you Ukrainian. Contingent call aggressors))) well, you homosexual clone crazy and logic.

I am not just condoning the Iraqi aggression. You asked me if chemical or bacteriological weapons were found in Iraq? I answered you and gave you links. But Ukradina sent its occupation contingent to Iraq, 18 invaders from which returned with "cargo 200", and 42 with "cargo 300". Cowardice and looting saved him from greater losses, well, they did not have time for hostilities, and if they happened somewhere, then the "warriors' were coming out" cowardly hiding, which they honestly write about in their memoirs.

And more fat, and not like your toilets in Georgia, pi ..did)))

Wow, let's write down, ours in Georgia with minimal losses in 5 days dispersed an army prepared according to NATO standards, armed, incl. and Ukraine (which was not its fault, the embargo on arms supplies to Georgia was not) and with air defense accounting calculations, some of which were brought in a zinc-wrapped mattress Dallas. Well, about toilets, you seem to have moved from gomosyatiny, to another favorite of your "anal-fecal" topic. however, they are interrelated. By the way, you can't enlighten that ... and (as you put it) Ukrainians in Iraq, maybe there were toilets there.

I don’t give a damn about him.

Especially 18 dead and 42 disabled people, they are especially normal. The lads did not take away the smell of tobacco. Earth they rest in peace! Still, their Slavs.

I will write.

Write-write, I’m your scribble tonight, I want to show my medical neighbor, let him diagnose you.

yes unlike))

Just like you perceive leaving or blacklisting as your victory. Do I need it? Yes, and you laugh too much fun. there is something to laugh at ... You don’t even need to go to the circus.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Once I do not condone the aggression of Iraq. You asked me if you found a chemical or bacteriological weapon in Iraq? I answered you and gave links.

The fact that they found it is funny, but you are not able to understand it. The mind is not enough.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

cancer its occupying contingent, 18 invaders from which returned with "cargo 200", and 42 with "cargo 300".

Maybe then they will send it to Syria, it would be nice. In Mali, it’s also interesting.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

and with air defense accounting calculations, some of which were brought in a zinc wrap mattress "Dallas

And you certainly have evidence)) even though your lies are already expected.

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Well, about the toilets, you seem to have moved from homosexual to another favorite of your "anal-fecal

Why mine? I didn’t know about this until you talked about your fetishes right now)) And the fact that they stole the san faynes cannot be taken from yours in Georgia.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Especially 18 dead and 42 disabled people, they are especially normal.

Dies more on the roads. And they are volunteers.

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Write-write, I’m your scribble tonight, I want to show my medical neighbor, let him diagnose you.

Well, why are you so disguised as you would say, I will show .. to my attending physician ..

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rsto people like you perceive leaving or blacklisting as your victories

Well, for starters, you don’t know how to read as usual. I put them on the black list,

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

And I need it

and what do you need a homo clown for? apart from the distribution of chernukha about the military-industrial complex of Ukraine? By the way, why is it still not present on the article about Motor Sich? didn’t you get anything black?

[smiths xnumx]

The fact that they found it is funny, but you are not able to understand it. The mind is not enough.

Maybe then they will send it to Syria, it would be nice. In Mali, it’s also interesting.

Surely you will go "military" in the first rows! Write ISCHO Rambo room.

And you certainly have evidence)) even though your lies are already expected.

See Arkady Mamontov's film "Friend or Foe" called. everything is clearly described there.

The attack on Tskhinvali was carried out by 270 Ukrainian military, 10-15 of them were killed ... According to accurate data, 20 Americans were killed during the fighting, who were gathered in the combat zone, loaded into an American ship in plastic black bags, and 10 -15 killed Ukrainians (there is no exact figure). The ship unloaded containers with the corpses of Ukrainians at one of the Ukrainian ports at night, and departed for Naples, from where the Americans were sent to the United States.

http://archive.censor.net.ua/go/offer/ResourceID/112269.html

I have enough intelligence, unlike some self-appointed "experts", and I would be surprised if they did not find it, they did not climb for that. Well, how does this affect the fact that the Ukrainian occupation forces are sent to Iraq? That Nenka lay under the mattress mats, France and Germany didn’t lie down, they didn’t give troops.

Why mine? I didn’t know about this until you talked about your fetishes right now)) And the fact that they stole the san faynes cannot be taken from yours in Georgia.

Yours, yours, you started it first. And, as for toilets in Georgia: "What is your evidence?" Another attempt by Georgians to whitewash their image and the fact of defeat.

Dies more on the roads. And they are volunteers.

Hey, you tell their mothers, families and friends about this, just quietly, and run away quickly, otherwise you will be caught and you know how they taunt them for such words.

Well, why are you so disguised as you would say, I will show .. to my attending physician ..

Write ISCHO ... You're just funny.

Well, for starters, you don’t know how to read as usual. I put them on the black list,

Congratulations on your "well-deserved victory", but my blacklist is empty, even you idiot is not there.

and what do you need a homo clown for? apart from the distribution of chernukha about the military-industrial complex of Ukraine? By the way, why is it still not present on the article about Motor Sich? didn’t you get anything black?

At the moment I am joking over a certain funny cock under the nickname Kars, telling about his unconventional sexual orientation. And they don’t lay out normal topics about Ukraine, because I’m answering you a worried nerd the next day, and there’s no time even to communicate with normal people on the site.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Therefore, I consider you an ordinary hysterical

Your personal problems. In this case, YOU are trying so hard to refute me)))

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

and here is a photo of the Severodvinsk shipbuilding complex in the port of Novorossiysk, which will accompany it.

So what? Did you prove that he doesn’t carry air? The fact that they go there here is a well-known fact.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/Register)

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and to page number 7

But the fact that the contract was successfully completed is not referenced. And it’s not even the fact that something went and was not announced. But by the way, it’s not very important - it’s still T-80

[smiths xnumx]

Your personal problems. In this case, YOU are trying so hard to refute me)))

I can say the same about you.

So what? Did you prove that he doesn’t carry air? The fact that they go there here is a well-known fact.

That is, they just go back and forth, especially under the guise of warships. Well, here is another photo that they carry

S-300PMU2 "Favorite". In the camouflage of the Syrian desert "? With the 96L6E radar" in the color of the sands "RZS S-400" Triumph "? Photographed on June 23, 2013. Time of shooting 18-05. On the stretch near Novorossiysk.

But the fact that the contract was successfully completed is not referenced. And it’s not even the fact that something went and was not announced. But by the way, it’s not very important - it’s still T-80

Come on. At first you claimed this

Cyprus is yes, 96 years old, and until now the contact has not been fulfilled, which says a lot.

. Then they gave a link to the Russian Wikipedia, which indicated that Cyprus had 2012 T-68Us for 80, and when I indicated that according to the English and Spanish Wikipedias, 82, that the Russian was more worthy of trust. Well, according to the Russian Wikipedia, in 2009 a contract was signed for the delivery of another 41 T-80Us, 27 were delivered in 2010, 14 remain, the data on their delivery is given in the registry for 2011 provided by Russia to the UN, 41 are obtained. There are questions ? Here is the link for you:

Russia submitted to the UN Register a report for 2011 on the supply of conventional weapons. Below is material on the categories of “battle tanks” and “armored combat vehicles”.

In the “battle tanks” category, 35 MBTs were declared to be delivered to Venezuela, 14 to Cyprus and 44 to Uganda.

Thus, Russia completed the delivery of 41 T-80U / UK tanks to Cyprus, the contract for the purchase of which cost $ 156 million for the National Guard was concluded with the Ministry of Defense of Cyprus in 2009. Of these, according to the report, in 2010 27 MBT were delivered. The remaining 14 cars, most likely, were transferred at the beginning of 2011.

http://vpk.name news/86119_rossiya_predstavila_v_registr_oon_otchet_po_post

avkam_obyichnyih_vooruzhenii_za_2011_god.html

. And where does the T-80?

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I can say the same about you.

This is also your problem.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

3 June 2013. Shooting time is 18-05. on the stage near Novorossiysk.

Here in Syria, show him then we'll talk, and show that they drove before THIS. In 2012 year.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Any questions? Here is a link for you

Why is it taking so long? Does UVZ put sticks in wheels? Cyprus and T-80 surfaced with us about lobbying for UVZ deliveries to the foreign market of other tanks except the T-72 / 90 in light of the re-melting of the Russian T-62 and T-64

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

apparently, were transferred at the beginning of the 2011 year.

And the words .. Apparently .. very inspire confidence.

[smiths xnumx]

This is also your problem.

No, this is already your problem.

Here in Syria, show him then we'll talk, and show that they drove before THIS. In 2012 year.

I don’t have any sources either in the GRU or in the General Staff, and what they drove is that the Basmachis see and feel in their own skin, and the Israelis, I hope, will soon feel it.

Why is it taking so long? Does UVZ put sticks in wheels? Cyprus and T-80 surfaced with us about lobbying for UVZ deliveries to the foreign market of other tanks except the T-72 / 90 in light of the re-melting of the Russian T-62 and T-64

The contract was concluded for 2 (TWO) years from 2009 to 2011. and he was executed on time. There were no claims from Cyprus. Tanks in Cyprus, which is confirmed by the 2011 report on the supply of conventional weapons provided by Russia to the UN Register. The last T-62s were withdrawn from service in 2011, having managed to fight in the first and second Chechen companies and in Georgia in 2008. 2500 T-62s were in storage for 2012, of which 900 should be disposed of this year. And I can say about the T-64 that they were not used in any military company (Chechnya, Georgia), such a good tank can be seen.

And the words .. Apparently .. very inspire confidence.

Well, they were transferred later, nevertheless they were transferred, about which there are OFFICIAL documents confirming the fact of transfer. Will you blame the government of the Russian Federation for providing a false report to the UN?

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

No, this is already your problem.

It's not a problem for me.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I don’t have any sources either in the GRU or in the General Staff, and what they brought was that the Basmachis see and feel in their own skin, and the Israelis, I hope, will soon feel it.

Again, a stupid failure in logic. If the militants see this, then they take it off, grab it as trophies and everyone will know about it. But there were no reports from Syria. Unless the used Kalashkovs and cartridges carry it - even in Syria this good that shoe polish.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

The contract was concluded for 2 (TWO) years from 2009 to 2011. and he was executed on time. There were no claims from Cyprus.

The one who exposes the RF claim. And used T-80 for two years - less than fifty))))))))))

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

The last T-62s were withdrawn from service in the 2011 year, having managed to fight in the first and second Chechen companies and in Georgia in the 2008 year. 2500 T-62 was in storage for 2012 year, of which 900 should be disposed of this year. And I can say about the T-64 that they were not used in any military company (Chechnya, Georgia), such a good tank can be seen.

Why did you write this? You were asked about this? You were not asked - But you were told that at least these 900 utilized T-62s did not get into Syria, and moreover they were not sold to third countries, bringing profit to the treasury of the Russian Federation.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Will you blame the government of the Russian Federation for providing a false report to the UN?

It is not excluded.

[smiths xnumx]

It's not a problem for me.

Moreover, I do not pay attention to insects like you trying to spoil the wicked thing.

Again, a stupid failure in logic. If the militants see this, then they take it off, grab it as trophies and everyone will know about it. But there were no reports from Syria. Unless the used Kalashkovs and cartridges carry it - even in Syria this good that shoe polish.

I explain to those who are in the tank that the Syrian tanks are still fighting the great merit of Russia. At the same time, tell us from which ceiling you took such information:

Unless the used Kalashkovs and cartridges carry - even in Syria this good that shoe polish.

. Another nonsense, in an attempt to make excuses ?.

The one who exposes the RF claim. And used T-80 for two years - less than fifty))))))))))

Taki da Algeria put up and refused to accept the MiG-29SMT and received in exchange for the Su-30MKA, and that, and nothing, some sat down, some lost their comfortable chairs. MiG-29SMT with French avionics entered service with the Russian Air Force. Everyone is happy. By the way, how are we supplying BTR-4 to Iraq? Something I do not see them in service with the ZSU.

Why did you write this? You were asked about this? You were not asked - But you were told that at least these 900 utilized T-62s did not get into Syria, and moreover they were not sold to third countries, bringing profit to the treasury of the Russian Federation.

To the fact that worn-out T-62s, which have exhausted their resources, are not needed by anyone in the world, and Russia, preserves its reputation as a reliable partner and does not sell the legacy of the former USSR at dumping prices, like "square". Therefore, Russia is trying to sell the T-90 and T-72 produced at UVZ, in the hope of subsequently obtaining a contract for their modernization, and not tanks, the last of which was released, as far back as 1975 (like the T-62) At the same time, explain and Syria asked for the supply of T-62? They have about 1000 of them, especially since the main burden of the fighting from the Syrian army is borne by the T-72. Or again just like that, fart into a puddle?

It is not excluded.

"And Baba Yaga is against!" Well, what can I say, only one thing is being treated.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Moreover, I do not pay attention

According to your hysteria, you can see.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

I explain to those who are in the tank that the Syrian tanks are still fighting the great merit of Russia.

Yes, rather the USSR, and Chinese spare parts.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

At the same time, tell us from which ceiling you took such information:

What information? It was you who were crucified that the BDK was taking SOMETHING to Syria)) and then you turned out to be in the GRU no contacts.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Another nonsense, in an attempt to make excuses ?.

What is the excuse for?

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Taki da Algeria put up and refused to accept the MiG-29СМТ and received in exchange for the Su-30МКА

These are rarities, exceptions to the rules can be said. Yes, Cyprus just didn’t need to get the T-80 instead of T-90, as the UVZ lobby calculated.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Moreover, the worn-out T-62, which have exhausted their resources, do not need anyone in the world

In Afghanistan, T-62 are still fighting. In Syria, they are still fighting. And the state of deterioration is very debatable, many T-62 tanks were in storage. So again, the failure of your logic)))

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Therefore, Russia is trying to sell T-90 and T-72 produced at UVZ

And the Syrians are already lacking in armored vehicles. And this is exactly what UVZ is trying to do, which would only take it, and the money in the state budget of the Russian Federation is ten.
And deliveries of T-62 will not do any harm to the image of the Russian Federation - used tanks they are used tanks.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

They have them so about 1000

Bylo, it was - 2 years ago.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

the fierce fighting of the Syrian army are carried by the T-72

Yes, of course, everything that can ride is at war there.

[smiths xnumx]

According to your hysteria, you can see.

Continue to hysteria and call us "eksperd" you are ours, maybe he will let go.

What information? It was you who were crucified that the BDK was taking SOMETHING to Syria)) and then you turned out to be in the GRU no contacts.

And I still say that the BDK is bringing SOMETHING to Syria, which I cannot specifically name. But no one empty ships, but under the guard will not drive. Does he know extra money?

These are rarities, exceptions to the rules can be said. Yes, Cyprus just didn’t need to get the T-80 instead of T-90, as the UVZ lobby calculated.

Rarities, not uncommon, but it is a fact, instead of the MiG-29, Algeria received the Su-30. Keep your next delusional conclusions about the T-90 and the "UVZ lobby" for yourself. Who pays, in this particular case Cyprus, calls the tune. Already trite, vulgar and uninteresting.

In Afghanistan, T-62 are still fighting. In Syria, they are still fighting. And the state of deterioration is very controversial, many T-62 tanks were in storage. So again, the failure of your logic)))

What is the failure of logic? That Russia is getting rid of obsolete tanks left over from the USSR, replacing them with more modern models. So in warehouses, so there are "Maxims" and PPSh and PPS and even steam locomotives. And what of it? Moreover, Ukraine is doing the same. and somewhere over there are still T-34-85s driving and even fighting.

And the Syrians are already lacking in armored vehicles. And this is exactly what UVZ is trying to do, which would only take it, and the money in the state budget of the Russian Federation is ten.
And deliveries of T-62 will not do any harm to the image of the Russian Federation - used tanks they are used tanks.

About the lack of technology in Syria have you been informed from the Syrian General Staff? Another inference. However, the Syrians OFFICIALLY did not turn to Russia for supplies of tanks. Turn to see.

Bylo, it was - 2 years ago.

Given the fact that the Basmachi have only a few tanks, and even those captured from the government forces, there are still enough tanks there. So far, the loss of about 400 T-72 out of 1100 has been confirmed, and the total losses of BTTs were about 1000 units.

Yes, of course, everything that can ride is at war there.

In Chechnya, they also used all kinds of exotic things like PT-76, D-44, M-30 and ZPU-4, nevertheless, the "super-duper modern" T-64 tank never made it to it. In war, they always use everything that is at hand.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Continue to hysteria and call us "eksperd" you are ours, maybe he will let go.

Well, I’m far from your tantrum.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

And I still say that the BDK is bringing SOMETHING to Syria, which I cannot specifically name.

And I say that they take air. And the whole war is proof of this. Where modern weapons from the Russian Federation, even new DZ blocks for Syrian tanks are not visible. Like there are not many among the trophies. And on the fake about the presence of C-300, even Assad caught.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Who pays, in this particular case, Cyprus, he orders the music. Already corny, gone and uninteresting

Well, well, they ordered music for three years, a couple of dozen used tanks could not get.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

That Russia is getting rid of obsolete tanks left over from the USSR, replacing them with more modern models

This is not even a failure of logic, but stupid jumping))) Moreover, the deliverance of Russia from old tanks, to your words that nobody needs T-62 and is not operational.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

About the lack of technology in Syria have you been informed from the Syrian General Staff?

this can be seen with a naked eye, and confirmation that the war is still going on.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

However, the Syrians OFFICIALLY did not turn to Russia for supplies of tanks. Turn to see

Well of course. You have already been approached for C-300, and have already boasted of availability.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Given the fact that the Basmachi tanks have a few units, and even those captured from government troops,

Yes, not just a few units but dozens.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

So far, the loss of about 400 T-72 from 1100 has been confirmed, and the total losses of BTTs were about 1000 units.

This data is at least a year old, and spare parts that the Russian Federation sent arrested Fina.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

In Chechnya, they also used all kinds of exotic things like PT-76, D-44, M-30 and ZPU-4, nevertheless, the "super-duper modern" T-64 tank never reached it. In war, they always use everything that is at hand

Well, the T-64 wasn’t very close at hand.

[smiths xnumx]

Well, I’m far from your tantrum.

How can I go to an annoying insect, nicknamed "eksperd", which runs after me like a dog with a tin on its tail, along all the branches, so that I once again dunk its muzzle into its own "thoughts".

And I say that they carry air. And the whole proof is the war. Where modern weapons from the Russian Federation, even new DZ blocks for Syrian tanks are not visible. Like there are not many among the trophies. And on the fake about the presence of the S-300 even Assad caught

... "Blessed is he who believes." Continue.

Quote: Kars

Quote: smiths xnumx
Will you blame the government of the Russian Federation for providing a false report to the UN?
It is not excluded.

Well, well, they ordered music for three years, a couple of dozen used tanks could not get.

Not three, but two (2009-2011), once again I remind the report dated 2011.

This is not even a failure of logic, but stupid jumping))) Moreover, the deliverance of Russia from old tanks, to your words that nobody needs T-62 and is not operational.

Would find a buyer to sell. Rossi these old T-62 and T-64, as unnecessary trash are not needed. T-64, so no one needs it at all.

this can be seen with a naked eye, and confirmation that the war is still going on.

well, of course, the "eye-diamond". The war continues not because the legitimate government of Syria does not have enough tanks, but because someone (USA, Great Britain, S. Arabia, Qatar, etc.) is diligently kindling it, sending weapons and armed fanatics to the Basmachs.

Well of course. You have already been approached for C-300, and have already boasted of availability.

They have not yet requested tanks. For the rest, wait and see. There are at least 3 more BDKs who have gone to Syria. They will find out with what.

Yes, not just a few units but dozens.

Anyway, a little, much less than the government troops.

This data is at least a year old, and spare parts that the Russian Federation sent arrested Fina.

No, they’re just the latest data from your favorite Tarasenko

http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/233448.html

Well, the T-64 wasn’t very close at hand.

Come on, as many as 2 (TWO THOUSAND THREE FIFTY), according to Wikipedia
Russia:

Ground forces of Russia - 2000 T-64A and T-64B (BV) in storage, as of 2012 [14]. After the development of the resource, they are gradually withdrawn from service and disposed of [15]
Coastal troops of the Russian Navy - 350 T-64, as of 2012

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2-64

[Mestny]

Quote: Kars

Well, the Leningrad Tank Plant does not boast of this

LenIngradsky. Lenin.
There are many different plants in Russia. And there is something to brag about.

[Kars]

Quote: Mestny

There are many different plants in Russia. And there is something to brag about.

Tank? There were three — but the great, huge, successful, etc., and the RF of the RF gave two praises, and one was able to produce about half a ton of tanks for the RF army in 20 years, will you compare it with the USSR? Or admit that the USSR defense industry was too huge , and could not be fully preserved after the collapse of the USSR and the end of the Cold War.

[Rider]

Quote: Kars

two were favored, and one was able to release about 20 years for the Russian army half carcasses of tanks

and also exported more than one and a half thousand pieces, and pulled the modernization 72x.

and your efforts to beat over half carcass tankof broken up on reinforced concrete monolith 10 (in words) - TEN OPPOSITIONS for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

since you’re going to take it, then do it correctly.

[Kars]

Quote: Rider

and also for export more than one and a half thousand pieces

And how much oil and gas was exported? And so?

Quote: Rider

your attempts to hitchhike over half carcasses of a tank tank are broken on a reinforced concrete monolith 10 (in words) - TEN OPPOSITIONS for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Well, you compared the peaceful, non-aligned Ukraine. And the great Russia, the geopolitical pole and the leading player in world politics

Quote: Rider

since you’re going to take it, then do it correctly.

So start with yourself, maybe we will blame Ukraine for not having 5th generation fighters?

[Rider]

Quote: Kars

And how much oil and gas was exported? And so?

and the fact that your calculations are extremely (so to say) one-sided.

since you started to count (or give an example), then do it correctly.
and not juggling.
and then according to your own patterns, you can say that TOTAL 10 NEW tanks were put into the arsenal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

and for 5 generations, that's right.
lope there NEW aircraft delivered to the glorious Air Force of Ukraine?

[Kars]

Quote: Rider

and the fact that your calculations are extremely (so to say) one-sided.

But is it nothing that the countries are fundamentally different? And if for Ukraine 10 new tanks is a LOT, and, in principle, more than, up to 500 for the Russian Federation is extremely small.

Quote: Rider

and for 5 generations, that's right.
lope there NEW aircraft delivered to the glorious Air Force of Ukraine?

and why?

[Rider]

Quote: Kars

But nothing that the countries are fundamentally different?

that's exactly what is different.
therefore, build phrases CORRECTLY.
But how to calculate according to YOUR method, I have already shown.

Quote: Kars

and why?

and really - why.

[Kars]

Quote: Rider

therefore, build phrases CORRECTLY.

Quote: Kars

The Russian Federation has been favored by two, and one in 20 years has been able to produce about half the tanks for the Russian army, you will compare it with the USSR

what’s not correct? The Russian Federation considers itself the heir to the USSR - and a great power, with a pole of power.

Quote: Rider

and really - why.

Romanians fly on MiG-21 - they are trying to buy 20 F-12 b / y for the 16th year

[Rider]

KAAAAARRSSSS!
you just make me happy!

and so on your first ... uh pearl.

The Russian Federation considers itself the heir to the USSR - and a great power by the pole of power.

really believes, and the Air Force is pulling up the fleet.
and swung at Armata.
and radar introduces one after another.
and owns the VETO right in the UN Security Council.
but Nenko recently positioned herself as a second France.
I understand that this dream is over, since you began to equate yourself with Romania?

with which I congratulate you.

and by the way, proud of the fact that they buy BU equipment, it's like beee ...

(I’m just curious, but nafihaa, Romanians fighters, they recently sawed a rare armored train (the pride of the nation))?

here you have recently been offered to dispose of surplus tanks.

[Kars]

Quote: Rider

really believes, and the Air Force is pulling up the fleet.
and swung at Armata

So these are THEIR problems. But this does not change the facts that I described.

Quote: Rider

Nenko recently positioned herself as a second France.
I understand that this dream is over, since you began to equate yourself with Romania?

Ukraine and France have common borders? And territorial disputes? Did not know. Can I compare with the USA?

Quote: Rider

and by the way, it’s proud that they buy BU equipment, it’s like beee

And here pride. This is a given. Ukraine does not need more. Can we build an aircraft carrier so that you would not be ashamed of us?

Quote: Rider

here you have recently been offered to dispose of surplus tanks

Well, while this is not confirmed, there are more tanks in Ukraine than in France, for sure.

[Rider]

Quote: Kars

But this does not change the facts that I described.

it cancels your naughtyness, and not all of the above.

Quote: Kars

Ukraine and France have common borders? And territorial disputes? Did not know. Can I compare with the USA?

Yes, at least you compare with Australia.
it was simply stated that Ukraine = France (second)
where does the border and territorial disputes, but I do not understand.
and now you give Romania as an example.
Well, maybe she’s your equal now.

and on tanks - we’ll survive.

[Kars]

Quote: Rider

it cancels your naughtyness, and not all of the above.

Discussion does not cancel. T-90 made for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation about 500 and not the best configuration.

Quote: Rider

it was simply stated that Ukraine = France (second)

And therefore, the armed forces need to be compared with her, and not a fierce opponent)))) you have wild logic.

Quote: Rider

where does the border and territorial disputes, but I do not understand.

This is natural, but you have to fuss, but they don’t give you. Therefore, you pretend that you do not understand, although it is quite possible that you have too good an opinion of yourself.

Quote: Rider

and now you give Romania as an example.

For starters, I personally didn’t bring France anywhere. And specify Ukraine = France in everything?

Quote: Rider

and on tanks - we’ll live

Why so hesitant?

Quote: Rider

Romania.
Well, maybe she’s your equal now.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

[Rider]

Quote: Kars

Discussion does not cancel. T-90 made for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation about 500 and not the best configuration.

I don’t know what configuration OPLOT is being delivered to your army, but since you decided to reduce everything to measuring the length of the nth unit, it turns out that Russia is cooler than Ukraine exactly 50 times

Quote: Kars

And therefore, the armed forces need to be compared with her, and not a fierce opponent)))) you have wild logic.

with which opponents!? what logic!?
Yes, finally think about what you say!
I said that initially Ukrainian figures positioned Ukraine as the second France.
and you cited Romania as an example, which caused my sarcasm about the devaluation of values.
where you saw the "incredible enemy" I have no idea.

Quote: Kars

For starters, I personally did not bring France anywhere. And specify Ukraine = France in everything?

I’m trying to explain it to you.
YOU - YES, DO NOT LEAD.
but YOUR politicians have announced this loudly and often enough.

Quote: Kars

Why so hesitant?

But how should it be?
I do not see reasons for optimism (from the point of view of Ukraine)

Quote: Kars

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

then why cite Romania as an example?
and judging by this table, Vietnam Australia and Saudi Arabia (which are lower in Ukraine’s military power) DO NOT buy used aircraft.
you already vibrate examples CORRECT

[Kars]

Quote: Rider

I don’t know what configuration OPLOT is being delivered to your army, but since you decided to reduce everything to measuring the length of the nth unit, it turns out that Russia is cooler than Ukraine exactly 50 times

You bring strange comparisons. And what is the nth aggregate?
And there is no particular argument. Russia is militarily cooler - nuclear weapons cannot be taken from her.

Quote: Rider

with which opponents!? what logic!?
Yes, finally think about what you say!

Watch yourself

Quote: Rider

I said that initially Ukrainian figures positioned Ukraine as the second France.

Where was it positioned? In this article? And before or after my mention of Romania.

Quote: Rider

and you cited Romania as an example, which caused my sarcasm about the devaluation of values.

You probably need to be cured, bring something to yourself there.

Quote: Rider

where you saw the "incredible enemy" I have no idea.

Yes, it's hard for you to live like that.

Quote: Rider

I’m trying to explain it to you.
YOU - YES, DO NOT LEAD.
but YOUR politicians have announced this loudly and often enough.

So you turn to them. And did they bring France militarily? That's just all your aspirations will be crossed out by the presence of nuclear weapons in the arsenal of France.

Quote: Rider

then why cite Romania as an example?
and judging by this table, Vietnam Australia and Saudi Arabia (which are lower in Ukraine’s military power) DO NOT buy used aircraft.
you already vibrate examples CORRECT

are they all not far from Ukraine? And what is the difference to you Used or not used?

[Rider]

Quote: Kars

And there is no particular argument. Russia is militarily cooler - nuclear weapons cannot be taken from her.

and everything else too.

Quote: Kars

Watch yourself

a strange statement, you have disagreements with logic, but I am to blame.

Quote: Kars

You probably need to be cured, bring something to yourself there.

Yes, it's hard for you to live like that.

apparently this is a tantrum.

Quote: Kars

So you turn to them. And they brought France militarily?

they stated that Ukraine = Faction 2
and the fact that you suddenly decided to cite Romania as an example does not cross out my, but rather yours (or rather, Ukraine as a state) aspirations.
with which I congratulate you

Quote: Kars

are they all not far from Ukraine? And what is the difference to you Used or not used?

judging by the table YOU give - YES.
and there’s no difference, welcome to the club of the 3rd world countries.

all the best.

[Kars]

Quote: Rider

and everything else too.

Not really.

Quote: Rider

a strange statement, you have disagreements with logic, but I am to blame.

you just do not have any logic and it is you who are to blame for this.

Quote: Rider

apparently this is a tantrum

It’s hard with the stubborn community. And use the advice for free.

Quote: Rider

they stated that Ukraine = Faction 2

Who THEY? When? In what Context?

Quote: Rider

but the fact that you suddenly decided to cite Romania as an example

How is it? I’ve never brought France anywhere, and Romania I ALWAYS bring as a probable adversary with whom Ukraine has a common border.

Quote: Rider

judging by the table YOU give - YES.

Vietnam and Saudi Arabia are located near Ukraine)))) Well, you said so.

Quote: Rider

and there’s no difference, welcome to the club of 3 countries

Are you aware that the United States bought used ships for its Navy?

Quote: Rider

all the best.

This is not your first departure.)))

[desiscia]

Guns for the sake of sala, I would use the clever man with fat like that in the face. For ensign.

[mazepa]

It depends on the fat. I wouldn’t be in such a hurry. THAT may be more useful than fat. What could be tastier than potatoes with cracklings.

[Rjn]

And the fact that Amer wrote this flag is nothing, have you lost it and that’s all? But what about: the master has allowed to joke.

[desiscia]

And Amer is five years out of Ukraine. Well, yes, the bourgeois muzzle easily got off, I would evo into a barrel z ha ... m. and according to Khreshchatyk.

[sergey158-29]

Of course, "sitting" on an oil and gas pipe, every Russian can afford to tell his "little brothers" with a little flattering how he (the elder brother) is - COOL!

Therefore, I propose to conduct a test for coolness, namely, full-fledged proving ground (fortunately, a proving ground has already been built) tests of the OPLOT and T-90MS ++ tanks with the adoption of the winner in service with both countries !!

This will be cool !!! Oh yes, now they will tell me about the super-duper-secret in the letter A ...

[Misantrop]

Quote: sergey158-29

Of course, "sitting" on an oil and gas pipe, every Russian can afford to tell his "little brothers" with a little flattering how he (the elder brother) is - COOL!

I personally heard such conversations 30 years ago. One detail - the Ukrainians told about their coolness, it was they who, for the most part, worked there on a rotational basis. Accordingly, they earned good money, and the deposits were common. Then Ukraine and Belarus abandoned them, THEMSELVES. As well as from many other things, preferring to set aside their own independent piece of the country and not wanting to "feed the beggars for freeloaders." The prices for hydrocarbons were ridiculous, the work was hard, the shift conditions were even harder. Well, who is the doctor now, when the conjuncture has changed?

[sergey158-29]

Yes, for heaven’s sake, we don’t feel sorry ... You just don’t say to the Russian people that they have abandoned oil and gas - their PEOPLE'S PURPOSE! Yes, and here the situation has not changed, but the PRICE!
Here about something else. What, writers write here, we (the Russian Federation) have so many tanks, planes, etc. And you (postings) 10 pieces ...
Here they (the writers) write that for us 10 pieces are many, but for you it’s a drop in the bucket, that's all ...
And about tank tests at your new training ground it would be at least INTERESTING!
No offense.

[Misantrop]

Quote: sergey158-29

Yes, for heaven’s sake, we don’t feel sorry ... You just don’t say to the Russian people that they have abandoned oil and gas - their PEOPLE'S PURPOSE!

But I feel sorry. Not for themselves, for them. At that time, I was in the autonomous region, providing the country's external security. Without me, this scam was scrolled ...

[Yuri Y.]

In the context of Ukraine’s current policy, she doesn’t really need a military industrial complex, for 70 army there is a lot of equipment and is not needed (if only for the external market, i.e. for fat). In Russia, out of habit, they will move away from external dependence, which they do if possible (they will either start building a spaceport or design a simulator for naval aviation). You watch some factory come to life, they also want to eat here. All the same, we will try to be as independent as possible in politics and, as a result, in the production of weapons for ourselves. Ukraine did not want to be independent with us, it will be independent of the EU. Maybe the next, for this, a used batch of F-16 will have to be bought, or, years later, a tank for the parade should be taken from the Baltic states. We do not want to be independent from the USA, we want not to depend on them.

[RoTTor]

The military-industrial complex of Ukraine was an integral part of the military-industrial complex of the USSR, important, but not autonomous, due to the natural division of labor.
Maybe even a healthy liver is autonomous from the body?

The best factories and NGOs of the military-industrial complex were destroyed thanks to idiocy and boundless greed for the profit of small-town “bricklayers”.

The legendary Kiev "Arsenal" robbed of production facilities under ... courts.

The shipyard “Leninsky Forge”, which built the best missile boats, having got to the chocolate magnate Poroshenko, has long been ... all shipbuilding.

On the territory of "Gidropribor" there are shopping and snack centers.
Many factories were demolished - for the construction of commercial housing.

And so - to infinity.

The scientific base of the military-industrial complex has been destroyed.

And to the West, the remnants of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex will not be allowed into the cannon shot - there are enough of them there, why do they need competitors with a muddy political orientation

The only market - Russia, the CIS and the CSTO is lost for the same reason - no one will buy weapons from a country from which it is not known what to expect tomorrow.

[Armata]

And what did they do with the Nikolaev shipyards! Almost nothing remained of them, and after all, more than 20 years ago they built an atomic aircraft carrier!

[Cristall]

Kars is one against all. Hercules versus Hydra.
Respect for this person. Special respect for the photo of the Bastion. Beautiful infection. Happy for Kharkov. It’s a pity the media do not do much to popularize the industry (including turbine engines and space), I certainly understand that hellish cuisine is more profitable to discuss, but sometimes the Ukrainians themselves are not aware of their own successes. And failures are carefully savored and discussed.
The title of the article is derogatory.
With such success, you can write articles "Oil for the sake of lard", pipes engines and so on "for the sake of lard"
An unhealthy surge of unhealthy "news" about Ukraine.

[Hudo]

Quote: Cristall

Kars is one against all. Hercules versus Hydra.

Do not exaggerate! The phrase: "Kars - against common sense", much more accurately characterizes the essence of what is happening.

[Oleg Kharkov]

Custom article that does not reflect the essence of what is happening. Another attempt to pit the fraternal peoples (in spite of the efforts of Russian politicians, and indeed Ukrainian, too, which is really a sin). And what is most sad - these attempts are being understood by the masses, and the banner of the blackening of Ukraine is picked up with a bang. Well, come on, we’ll be meaner. .

[Silkway0026]

for what is providence punishing this country? .. for what? perhaps for prostitution, the trouble of most buffer states

[svp67]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

silence in response

What can I tell you? The fact that in our Sverdlovsk region in honor of the celebration of the "Day of the Tankman" the governor used to hold festive events to which they invited both designers and operators, that is, us sinners ... And there, after the feast, there were opportunities for direct communication. You know, a lot of interesting things you learn, so to speak from "first hand". Including about "who and where, and most importantly HOW solved" issues, especially in the issue of championship. And honestly, not everything from the story is "accessible, to understanding." For example - why Leningraders were not "allowed" to modify the T80 with a 2V2 diesel engine? At least as an experiment, so as not to create a more perfect competitor to the "born T90". And for this, "undercover methods" were also undertaken. Since the tank that we know today as the T90 was not supposed to be like that ... Another good thing is that the situation is changing, in terms of the T90, and for the better ...

[smiths xnumx]

I? I do not call - I say that it would be nice, and it is quite possible what will happen.

Come on, come on, write a petition to the UN. In Syrian land there is a lot of space, and you will find 2 meters.

Answer us soon through the dopa chief doctor.
Sincerely. Date, signature ... Answer us, and
then
If you do not answer, we will write to "Sportloto"

Are you stupid again? Volunteers will come there, and even with a competition for a place. They still won’t take me without a bribe. They’ll send an art regiment to them.

.................. and when it comes to business, then in the bushes. And so if you want to go, of course, only it's not "Counter Strike" for you, they won't give you a spare life. Let's look at your cold grave. And it will be even more fun when you scratch the asphalt in Zaporozhye with stumps and beg for a pension from NATO and your "under-state". As they say, the natural ending. For the dog will not die without getting mad.

http://www.segodnya.ua/world/v-hruzii-udivljajutcja-zachem-roccijckie-voennye-vo


rujut-unitazy-i-taburetki.html
Although of course you say that there were only angels and slivers did not feed)))

And that you are referring so finely to just the former Minister Givi Targamadze, you’d better immediately refer to the tie-eater Sukashvili:
As a result of the fighting in the Tskhinvali region, the Russian 58th Army lost 1789 soldiers, 105 tanks, 81 combat vehicles, 45 armored personnel carriers, 10 Grad devices and 5 Smerch devices.

Such data are provided by the "MediaNews" agency.

According to him, these figures reflect the losses of only the 58 army. The losses of the Pskov and Novorossiisk airborne divisions remain unknown, since these data are especially classified by the FSB of Russia.

Figures are also cited regarding the losses of South Ossetia: "8 percent of the armed formations of the criminal regime of Eduard Kokoity were destroyed," the message says. Of the 500 militants of the most efficient detachment in South Ossetia - the Tskhinvali OMON - only five people survived.

[Kars]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Come on, come on, write a petition to the UN. There is a lot of place in Syrian land, and you will find 2 meters

I do not prefer Egypt and Greece, in Syria for me there is nothing interesting.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Come on, go-go, although people like you can only bark from the gateway, and when it comes to things, then into the bushes

Yes, I won’t go; there are people who need it more than me, and they will be lined up in line.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

only this is not "Counter Strike" for you,

never played.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

that you are referring so finely to just the former minister Givi Targamadze, you’d better just link to the tie-eater Sukashvili

Well, of course it is necessary that Putin personally voiced this)))
And by the way, I saw by the way, look look.

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

As a result of battles in the Tskhinvali region, the Russian 58 army lost 1789 soldiers

What can I say? As usual, Russia showed poor readiness, of course they didn’t lose so much, but the official ones were simply orgromic for such a short period of time. There would be more militant peoples like Georgians, Angolans, Somalis in place of Georgians.

[Endrew]

And why did they draw fat on the ensign? they wanted to fuck, oh, these Mosk * it!))

[Endrew]

Then on the ensign of Russia it will be appropriate to draw a bottle of vodka))