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Israel: double standards or other interests?

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On the night of August 14, twenty-six people who had previously been in Israeli prisons returned to Palestinian land. These people were pardoned to convince the world community that the Jewish state wants peace talks. The release of prisoners sentenced to 1993 for murder or aiding in the murder of Israelis and those who are called "collaborators" in Palestine, Tel Aviv calls a "goodwill gesture." Fourteen amnestied Palestinians went to the Gaza Strip, twelve - to the West Bank. Countrymen made a grand reception for them - with greetings, hugs, songs and fireworks and shots. Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah promised to secure the release of those who are still languishing in prison in the dungeon. Earlier, Israel promised to release 104 prisoners - of course, with an eye to the course of the peace talks. But it’s necessary to look around for Israel: after all, when giving such promises, the Jewish state started building almost a thousand houses in East Jerusalem.


"BBC" indicates that released Palestinians have served almost the entire term. The decision to release was made following a meeting chaired by Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon. The adopted statement noted that "if someone from the liberated returns to hostile activities towards Israel, he will be returned to prison to serve the remaining term."

In Jerusalem, at the walls of the Israeli Supreme Court, a group of relatives of the victims of the liberated staged a protest. “These are not political prisoners, they are terrorists and murderers who will return home and be greeted like heroes,” said Gil Molcho. Her brother Ian Feinberg militants killed in Gaza in 1993 year.

104 Palestinians who are imprisoned for serious crimes committed before the 1993 year should be released. They will be released in four stages within a few months.

Simultaneously with the release of the first batch of prisoners, large-scale Israeli construction began on the west bank of the Jordan River.

According to "Lenta.ru" With reference to France Press, the Israeli government approved the construction of 942 homes for Jewish settlers in East Jerusalem. The statement was made on August 13 - on the eve of the resumption of the Palestinian-Israeli talks. The houses will be built on the territory of the existing Jewish settlement of Gilo.

Palestinian spokesman Yasir Abed Rabbo called settlement expansion unprecedented, and also said that such steps could lead to the collapse of the negotiation process.

Two days earlier, Israel’s Minister of Construction, Uri Ariel, announced a plan to build approximately 1200 houses on the west bank of the Jordan River.

The construction of settlements put the negotiations at risk. However, the first round of negotiations took place.

15 August "BBC" conveyed that the Israeli and Palestinian delegations held the first in three years round of direct peace talks, which lasted about five hours in Jerusalem. Diplomats called the negotiations serious. Details unknown. According to the correspondent of "BBC", on any breakthroughs so far can not count. It is noted that the ongoing construction of housing in the West Bank and in the eastern part of Jerusalem puts at risk a possible agreement. The previous phase of the negotiations - in September 2010 of the year - was suspended precisely because of this problem.

The BBC quotes Moshe Ya'alon’s pessimistic statement as published in the Jerusalem Post: “We have been trying to make a shift for 20 years since Oslo, not to mention 120 stories conflict. The skepticism of the tone of my statements is obvious, but we still decided to try again. ”

The Palestinian delegation at the talks is led by Saib Erekat and Mohammed Shtayeh. The Israeli delegation is headed by Justice Minister Tzipi Livni and Assistant Prime Minister Yitzhak Molho. US special envoy to the Middle East, Martin Indyk, and his deputy, Frank Lowenstein, are authorized to represent the White House at the talks.

Earlier, US Secretary of State John Kerry said that the negotiations will take nine months.

The Palestinians want the land seized by Israel in 1967 to be part of their territorial entity. Today, about half a million Israelis live on these lands.

Israel’s controversial policy commented "Voice of Russia" Haaretz newspaper columnist and chairman of the Dutch Stop the Occupation Foundation.

Giriam Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, notes that Israel does not yet intend to begin negotiations seriously. The Netanyahu government agrees to negotiate under pressure from Washington. And such actions "have to be balanced by the construction of new settlements, which is a highly destructive policy." Negotiations themselves are needed "in order to please the Americans and the world community." Giriam Levy notes that Israel does not have the heart to say no to John Kerry. The meeting between Israelis and Palestinians, according to Levy, is “another opportunity to talk and not reach an agreement.” If "a basic strategic decision is not made to end the Israeli occupation, and such a decision is not made, everything else is just a pretense and a waste of time."

“The only way out of this impasse is strong pressure from the United States on Israel. This could have a real result, since Israel is extremely dependent on the United States. But something doesn’t seem that the US administration and even Obama would want it. And without American pressure, a cart will not budge. ”


Greta Duisenberg, chairman of the Dutch Foundation "Stop Occupation," believes that Israel is currently engaged in "overt ethnic cleansing." According to her, the new round of negotiations will not be crowned with success: after all, new construction requires the destruction of Palestinian villages, the expulsion of more than 40000 Palestinians and the confiscation of more than 800000 dirhams of land.

The expert calls all this “blatant ethnic cleansing”.

Peace talks Greta Duisenberg relates to the fact that the European Union decided to exclude Israel from the Bank for International Settlements - precisely for politics in the occupied Palestinian territories. That Israel and restores reputation through the so-called peace process. In fact, the expert says, this is “a step towards strengthening the Israeli occupation.”

As for what has been said about the European Union, indeed, on August 14, the first round of negotiations between the representatives of Israel and the EU ended. It was about the participation of the Jewish state in the European program "Horizon-2020". Reports about it 9tv.co.il with reference to the Voice of Israel.

During the first round of Israeli-European negotiations, cooperation in the framework of the Horizon-2020 project was discussed. The topic of the boycott of Israeli organizations was not discussed, but it is on the agenda of the next round of talks scheduled for September.

In the case of participation in Horizon-2020, Israel will have to invest 600 million euros in it within seven years. Expected profit is from 30 to 60%.

Returning to the negotiations between Israel and Palestine, one more opinion should be given that sheds light on US activity.

Natasha Brain ("Voice of America") quotes Aaron David Miller, vice president of the Woodrow Wilson Center and a former negotiator. This person believes that the tension associated with the issue of settlements is not an ideal start for negotiations, but it is unlikely that they will fail for this reason.

Miller said: “We do not know what Kerry told the Palestinian and Israeli leaders. Did he hear from them something that could be “converted” into a real agreement? Because if we are talking simply about Kerry’s belief that the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is an important topic, and if you force representatives of the parties to sit in one room, there will be some kind of magical solution - this is a miscalculation on his part. ”

However, Mr. Miller finds that the United States cannot do without mediation: “In 50 years, only one agreement between Israel and the Arabs was concluded independently. It is necessary to remember which leaders we are talking about. Abbas and Netanyahu are not Anwar Sadat and Menachem Begin: they will need substantial help. ”

As for the Palestinian side, the way correspondent ITAR-TASS Vladimir Kostyrev, Palestinian Ambassador to Moscow Faed Mustafa said that Israel has taken a number of steps to prevent the negotiation process.

“We would very much like this round to be successful,” he said. “However, I think everyone understands that some of the steps that Israel has taken recently have been taken to thwart the talks.”

These steps include a statement on the construction of new settlements, the diplomat said. “Therefore, we are very cautious about what Israel is doing,” he added, pointing out a positive moment — the release of hostages from Israeli prisons.

So, it is unlikely that the current negotiations, no matter how long they continue, will be crowned with what can be called “success” with at least a large degree of conditionality. It seems that Tel Aviv doesn’t know how to say no to Washington, and it’s as if Washington doesn’t see the ongoing large-scale construction in the occupied lands. The twenty-six released prisoners, already almost completely serving time, are a mere formality. The real interest in the newest stage of the negotiating history of Israel and Palestine can be considered the European interests of Tel Aviv (which is understood in the United States). The round of negotiations between the representatives of Israel and the EU on the participation of the Jewish state in the “Horizon-2020” program is a good proof of this. No one will be surprised if the issue of a boycott of Israeli organizations in EU projects will be resolved already in September, at the next Euro-negotiation round.

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  1. omsbon
    omsbon 19 August 2013 08: 13 New
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    In Israel, standards can be at least triple if it is beneficial to them.
  2. Professor
    Professor 19 August 2013 08: 16 New
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    In principle, the article is correct, there are a couple of inaccurate interpretations, but among other things I did not like it: "As Lenta.ru writes with reference to Agence France-Presse, the Israeli government approved ... "," This was reported by 9tv.co.il with reference to the Voice of Israel. "
    "Voennoye Obozreniye" with a link to "Lenta.ru" which quotes "France-Presse" commenting on the "Tenth Channel" of Israeli TV, referring to an unnamed source, etc. request
    1. The Indian Joe
      The Indian Joe 19 August 2013 23: 42 New
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      Simultaneously with the release of the first batch of prisoners, large-scale Israeli construction began on the west bank of the Jordan River.
      - Professor, please explain why Israel is building houses for its citizens on the lands of another state against the will of this state and the citizens of this state? Or has the west bank of the Jordan already become Israeli territory?
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 20 August 2013 00: 16 New
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        Give a definition of the state to begin with, or tell us when and in what borders the state of Palestine was fixed. It is also interesting to hear from you the definition of what the boundaries of the year 67 and the "green line" mean, as well as to inform the official status of the Palestinian Authority at the current negotiations.
      2. Professor
        Professor 20 August 2013 08: 36 New
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        Quote: Injun Joe
        Professor, please explain why Israel is building houses for its citizens on the lands of another state against the will of this state and the citizens of this state? Or has the west bank of the Jordan already become Israeli territory?

        You're lying again. On the territory of another state does not build. There is no such state of Palestine, there is a certain autonomy.
        1. The Indian Joe
          The Indian Joe 21 August 2013 10: 48 New
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          As far as I know, the independence of Palestine was recognized by the UN. Forgive me if I confused something ...
  3. atalef
    atalef 19 August 2013 10: 11 New
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    Well, there are actually a lot of inaccuracies. The article is one-sided enough, not hiding the essence of many things. Like construction is carried out in those settlements that, in any situation, remain on the territory of Israel. The principle of territorial exchange will happen. Terrorists (released) almost the entire period - how can it be served if some have several life terms. The relationship between Fatah and Hamas - which does not recognize either the talks or Abu Mazen. And of course, the pearl about the eviction of 40 tons of Palestinians and the confiscation of land is simply not a covered lie. The Gilo district is not a settlement, but simply the district of Jerusalem, almost an integral part of it. The article is very superficial and biased, representing an article, as if the opinion on the materials of the yellow press of some provincial publication of the Ivory Coast was made up of Russia. Remember (dear Oleg) the newspaper Haaretz is a newspaper of an extremely left-wing political orientation (having its readers, such as your swamp orientation) and the circulation can be no more than 20 tons. In the following articles, if you refer to it, give the opinion of more reputable publications such as Maariv or Ahronot. And then your sources - Tape ru. The voice of America, the Haaretz and the Palestinian ambassador are not only one-sided, but they also have a clearly grown political orientation. Forced to put a minus
    1. bazilio
      bazilio 19 August 2013 12: 38 New
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      Quote: atalef
      Well, there are actually a lot of inaccuracies. The article is one-sided enough

      If I may, I will express my point of view on the Palestinian-Israeli question, taking into account what I myself saw when I visited Israel. The whole essence of the conflict between Israel and Palestine boils down to the fact that both Palestinians and all neighboring states consider Jews to be occupiers. This issue is controversial, since both Jews and Arabs have inhabited the territories of modern Israel for more than one thousand years and therefore have the right to these territories. As far as I understand the situation, Israel seeks to maintain (and ideally expand) the existing state borders and at the same time, so to speak, dissociate itself from Palestine. Perhaps not everyone knows that Palestine receives free water, gas and seemingly electricity from Israel. Water in Israel itself is deficient, imported gas (hence expensive) and electricity are also expensive, as it is produced from imported coal. Palestine is trying to remove the maximum of preferences and benefits from its status as an oppressed and occupied state. I think it does not seem to me alone that this conflict will not be resolved in the near future.
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 19 August 2013 13: 15 New
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        Yes, Israel is not interested in ending the conflict. Giant help from America - will stop.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 19 August 2013 15: 00 New
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          The help is not gigantic, and is not tied to this conflict, but to the agreements, as a result of which Israel gave the Sinai. Disinterest is, for example, giving away a piece of land that is twice the size of a country?
          1. ruslan207
            ruslan207 19 August 2013 19: 48 New
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            Help, for example, privileges in trade, etc., access to American high technology, you name it, not gigantic help. Israel holds thanks to America everyone knows this very well.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 19 August 2013 20: 24 New
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              Quote: ruslan207
              Help, for example, privileges in trade, etc., access to American high technology, you name it, not gigantic help. Israel holds thanks to America. I know all this very well.

              America did not have much interest in Israel until 1969. Until that time, Israel managed to create a technology for the production of heavy water and a nuclear reactor, a powerful industry, efficient agriculture and win 3 wars. But apparently, everything rests on America.

              Yes, help from the US matters. Crucial for the existence of the country? Do not make me laugh.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 19 August 2013 21: 18 New
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                Quote: Pimply
                Yes, help from the US matters. Crucial for the existence of the country? Do not make me laugh.

                Why laugh? You look at the currency of Israel on world exchanges, everything will become clear.
                Dependence proportional to subsidies from the USA. I do not say that they are sitting on their necks but without money from the USA ...... will come the next day
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 19 August 2013 21: 40 New
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                  Truth? Everything is funnier and funnier. What is the schedule? Or the size of the subsidies? In what areas does the US make subsidies. Israel over the past few years has strengthened the currency against the dollar by about 20 percent. Please show me the schedule for increasing subsidies.
                  1. APASUS
                    APASUS 20 August 2013 19: 22 New
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                    Quote: Pimply
                    Truth? Everything is funnier and funnier. What is the schedule? Or the size of the subsidies? In what areas does the US make subsidies.

                    Congressional Research Service
                    +7
                    www.crs.gov
                    RL33222
                    Congress CRS Report
                    Prepared for members and committees of Congress
                    American aid to Israel
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 20 August 2013 20: 23 New
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                      Great. And now it’s weak to create a bunch with the shekel course, for example?
                      1. APASUS
                        APASUS 20 August 2013 21: 36 New
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                        Quote: Pimply
                        Great. And now it’s weak to create a bunch with the shekel course, for example?

                        Dear what next?
                        If I reprint you the dependency table.
                        Ask for another one?
                        I do not suck this news out of my finger, learn to believe people
              2. ruslan207
                ruslan207 19 August 2013 22: 39 New
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                Western countries also support aircraft mirage tanks Centurion, Paton47, etc., you remember 2 Lebanon, the United States delivered ammunition when they ended the entire air force fleet F-16, F-15 Israel without the United States and did not last a couple of years, but you can’t use it near radiation
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 20 August 2013 00: 05 New
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                  Respected. Do you know that it’s a common practice to buy weapons during the war? Or is this news for you? Or is it that Syria and Iran supported Hezbollah? And the USSR during the years of the Great Patriotic War received lendlis. I just don’t understand what you are specifically trying to prove. That everything is interconnected, and life is not a picture on a piece of paper? So yes, it is.
                  1. Sandov
                    Sandov 20 August 2013 12: 52 New
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                    Eugene with lendlise you got excited. Those Jews who fought against the Germans in Russia will not be allowed to lie. Lendlis went then when the Nazis began to retreat. And after the war, amers gathered everything under the press. And then they also pumped a little gold from the USSR. Something like this.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 20 August 2013 20: 25 New
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                      At the end of 1941 and in 1942 the fascists did not retreat anywhere. It is very difficult to throw in volumes without established paths and logistics systems. Read memoirs for example Mikoyan.
              3. Sandov
                Sandov 20 August 2013 12: 49 New
                +1
                Eugene you are wrong, nuclear weapons were created by Israel with the active support of America. This is an open secret.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 20 August 2013 20: 28 New
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                  Quote: Sandov
                  Eugene you are wrong, nuclear weapons were created by Israel with the active support of America. This is an open secret.

                  But this is not true. I have an engineer in my department who worked in Dimon from almost the first years (worked for 15 years), and so he told me. that when (under Carter, the amers came with the inspection, so the entrances to the most secret workshops were laid with bricks. plastered and painted over. There was no cooperation with amers, I think so far America does not 100% know what and how much is.
                2. Pimply
                  Pimply 20 August 2013 20: 43 New
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                  And again you are wrong. States have zero relation to the Israeli nuclear program. The Israeli nuclear program is the fruit of cooperation with the French. Those in exchange for their development received technology for the production of cheap heavy water.
      2. old man54
        old man54 19 August 2013 14: 55 New
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        Quote: bazilio
        the essence of the conflict between Israel and Palestine boils down to the fact that both Palestinians and all neighboring states consider Jews to be occupiers. This issue is controversial, since both Jews and Arabs have inhabited the territories of modern Israel for more than one thousand years and therefore have the right to these territories

        what are you saying! But who knows where when he lived, especially 1000 years ago. Based on your views, the Greeks have full legal rights to all of Turkey almost, in shares with the Kurds, because Turks 1000 years ago on the Bosphorus did not smell, there was Byzantium, an empire !!! The Slavs settled more than 1000 years ago on the floor of Europe, with East Germany inclusive, all the way to southeast Denmark. Arabs earlier, 1000 years ago, were represented on the Mediterranean coast, in northern Africa, eh? So do not write nonsense, I'm sorry!
        The Jews were allowed to settle where Israel is now after the 2nd MV, as a result of their cries around the world that they are supposedly the most offended and humiliated people in this war by the Germans. Moreover, Jews, as a people, did not take part in this war, only its individual representatives in the armies of other nations! The UN allocated land to them, allocated borders, and instead of getting along with their neighbors, they began wars of conquest in less than 10 years, which further fueled self-hatred from their Arab neighbors. And after the 80th year, they are completely insolent and are leading and are planning a frank expansion into the lands of neighboring states, not only Palestine. And all this, of course, with the support of the USA, of course, because if they weren’t there, Jews would not have been there for a long time! In many ways, the frank warming up of money of modern terrorists in Syria by Israel, who kill children and women everywhere, it is necessary for it to completely destabilize and destroy this state-system as a system, and then, quietly, appropriation of a number of lands in the Middle East, such as Lebanon, first and foremost southwestern part of modern Syria!
        1. il grand casino
          il grand casino 19 August 2013 15: 58 New
          -1
          And do not tell me who attacked whom? ...
          1. old man54
            old man54 19 August 2013 18: 54 New
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            Quote: il grand casino
            And do not tell me who attacked whom? ...

            and you don’t remember 56, at least from the textbooks, who then attacked whom, eh? Is it perfidious and treacherous?
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 19 August 2013 20: 26 New
              +1
              In the 56th year, for starters, there was a state of war. Secondly, maybe, if you are not in the know, certain actions are equated with the military: for example, blocking the Suez Canal.
              1. old man54
                old man54 19 August 2013 22: 05 New
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                Quote: Pimply
                In the 56th year, for starters, there was a state of war.

                Yes, the condition was, but the war itself was not!!! The peace treaty was not signed, after the battles of 1948, but there were no clashes, So what???
                There is still no signed peace treaty between the USSR and Japan, and what is urgently needed to fight now ?? Or if healthy people are in power, not just in Knesset and in Isergil Ave., then you can get along so peacefully! wink bully
                Quote: Pimply
                maybe if you are not in the know

                maybe unknowingly, but most likely hardly!! tongue
                Quote: Pimply
                certain actions are equated with the military: for example, blocking the Suez Canal.

                what do you say? laughing Those. if for example you, the Jews, tomorrow someone refuses to buy your bananas, and you desperately need to put them in there, is this a war? fellow Will we turn on the brain, or will we continue to act in the worst traditions of your people, huh ?? laughing That same England / France closed the Suez Canal for the passage of the squadron of Admiral Rozhdestvensky in 1905, and so what, the war with them ?? fool Who knows who doesn’t let anyone go, Suez is Egypt’s internal shipping artery and its business, especially in 1954, who is allowed to pass and who isn’t! They wanted to go there, it was necessary to coexist peacefully with him!

                Yes, and you yourself wrote:
                Quote: Pimply
                In the 56th year, for starters, there was a state of war.

                and where was it seen that the merchant ships of the state, with which the state of war still lasted, passed through the country's internal waterways, huh? Tell me some examples, please? laughing
                The attack of your Israel in 1956, coupled with the shavers and paddlers, was a clearly planned step, and the closure of the canal was just an excuse for this, and the main task was to profit from the lands of our neighbor - Egypt !!
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 19 August 2013 22: 52 New
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                  Quote: old man54
                  Yes, the state was, but the war itself was not !!! The peace treaty was not signed, after the battles of 1948, but there were no clashes, so what ???

                  What does it mean was not, if it was. There is a state of war, there are regular firefights, militants are marching around - that means there is war. The Hundred Years War calmly lasted for a hundred years. Or do you think they cut a friend every second?
                  Clashes, if you are not in the know, were between Israel and Egypt on a regular basis.
                  “... in the six years after the armistice of 1949, as a result of hostile actions of Egypt, 101 were killed and 364 Israelis were injured. In 1956 alone, as a result of the aggressive actions of Egypt, 28 Israelis were killed and 127 were injured. ”

                  On August 31, 1955, Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser stated that
                  "Egypt decided to send its heroes, disciples of the pharaoh and sons of Islam, and they will cleanse the land of Palestine ... There will be no peace on the border with Israel, because we demand revenge, and revenge is the death of Israel"

                  Quote: old man54
                  There is still no signed peace treaty between the USSR and Japan, and what is urgently needed to fight now ?? Or if healthy people are in power, not just in Knesset and in Isergil Ave., then you can get along so peacefully!


                  Ingenious. And you are aware that Japan has signed an act of surrender. There are diplomatic relations between Japan and Russia, and there is no state of war. The absence of a peace treaty does not mean the absence of peace, but speaks of diplomatic obstacles. The peace treaty is not the only paper regulating the relationship between countries. This is so for the future. In order to educational program.

                  Quote: old man54
                  maybe unknowingly, but most likely unlikely !!

                  On September 1, 1951, the UN Security Council ordered Egypt to open the Suez Canal for Israeli shipping. Egypt refused to comply with this directive. In April 1954, former Egyptian Foreign Minister Muhammad Salah al-Din Bey, in an interview with Al-Misri, stated that "the Arab people say without any embarrassment: we will not be satisfied with anything other than completely eliminating Israel from the map of the Middle East."
                  Well, the closure of the Tiran Strait is a continuation of the situation.

                  About bananas. No, but if they try to divert water flowing into the Galilee, yes. Because this is what causes the wars to begin - because of strategic resources and geopolitical threats. Or are you again not in the know?

                  Quote: old man54
                  That same England / France closed the Suez Canal for the passage of the squadron of Admiral Rozhdestvensky in 1905, and so what, the war with them ??
                  And you do not know what the difference is between the navy and the merchant, and you do not distinguish a one-time closure from a permanent blockade. Bravo. Bis. Hello, school.

                  Also read about the international convention governing the operation of the channel at that time.

                  Quote: old man54
                  and where was it seen that the merchant ships of the state, with which the state of war still lasted, passed through the country's internal waterways, huh? Tell me some examples, please?

                  You may be surprised, but according to the decision of the UN Security Council, this was to be so. But Egypt also blocked the Tiran Strait, which is weakly related to the internal arteries.

                  For starters, I’d suggest that you start teaching the history of the region before starting a circus.
        2. bazilio
          bazilio 19 August 2013 17: 48 New
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          Quote: old man54
          what are you saying! But who knows where when he lived?


          sorry, of course, dear, but if you do not own the question fully and are driven by emotions, then I advise you to refrain from commenting. If you would familiarize yourself with the basic principles of international law enshrined in the UN Charter and the Declaration of Principles of International Law of 1970. then you would probably know about the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples (clause 2 of article 1 of the UN Charter), according to which, by virtue of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, enshrined in the Charter, all peoples have the right to freely determine without outside interference your political status and carry out its economic, social and cultural development, and each state is obliged to respect this right in accordance with the provisions of the Charter.
          Further, if you think that it does not matter which people what territory and when inhabited, tell me, be so kind, how legitimate was the recognition of the states of Kosovo and South Ossetia, and on what basis were their borders determined? (if the only thing you can answer to this question is a phrase like "amers spat on international law", etc., you better do not answer)
          Quote: old man54
          and then, quietly, the appropriation of a number of lands in the Middle East

          Well, as if they fought with Lebanon, but didn’t attach anything to themselves. Yes, and the same Palestine was granted autonomy (in fairness, under pressure from the international community)
          1. old man54
            old man54 19 August 2013 18: 43 New
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            Quote: bazilio
            Dear, but if you do not own the question fully and are driven by emotions, I advise you to refrain from commenting.

            I don’t really need your advice somehow, especially since you don’t cause trust in this issue, sorry! hi
            Quote: bazilio
            self-determination of peoples (clause 2 of article 1 of the UN Charter), according to which, by virtue of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, enshrined in the Charter, all peoples have the right to freely determine their political status without outside interference and carry out their economic, social and cultural development

            laughing so what follows from this in light of the aforementioned problem of the Middle East and Israel ?? belay You yourself understood what you wrote it for, or just like that, did you copy everything from the wiki? Do you engage in verbiage?
            Quote: bazilio
            How legitimate was the recognition of the states of Kosovo and South Ossetia, and by what principle were their borders determined

            Muslims in that Kosovo are an alien people and its recognition as a state is a pure game by the norms of the United Nations and UN acts, and right there do not give a damn, Yes it didn’t give a damn to other acts! Did everything happen with the tacit consent of yourselves know which state, or you don’t know? Albanians in Kosovo are the same as Uzbeks and Tajiks in Russia, they were never there before! Or will you say that they lived there for 1000 years, in Kosovo? I don’t even want to write with Yu. Osetey, I've already written about it 1000 times! And in general, neither of which South Ossetia has ever been, has always been Ossetia, the country of Ossetians, or as it was called Alania before. Separation, conditional, more administrative, within the framework of one state-state, happened in the 30s during the Soviet era, which Saakashvili is trying to take advantage of. This is so much like an educational program! hi
            Quote: bazilio
            if the only thing you can answer to this question is a phrase like "amers spat on international law", etc., it is better not to answer

            there wasn’t really a desire to answer you, to be honest, but somehow ...
          2. old man54
            old man54 19 August 2013 18: 52 New
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            Quote: bazilio
            Further, if you think that it doesn’t matter which nation what territory and when it inhabited,

            and you don’t distort, if you can’t catch the meaning of what is written, then say so right then, but rather ask. Who what territory inhabits now of great importance, but links to what more than 2000 years ago there was once a state Israel ridiculous! I gave you examples of the land population by peoples in a much shorter time frame, but you began to turn everything inside out, trying to get out! fellow There is reliable information that once the Baltic Slavic principalities, present-day Lithuania and Latvia, were part of a single cultural and state field of the Union of Slavic state. And now that, already in the 21st century, on this basis they can and should be claimed, so what? But the Jews lived on these lands for at least 1000 years, or even more, as a state and even more so! They themselves left those lands, before the Crusades they left. And why did they suddenly have justified rights to this land? You are probably a Jew himself, my friend, so write this.lol
            Quote: bazilio
            Well, as if they fought with Lebanon, but didn’t attach anything to themselves.

            Well, who would have given them something to attach before, then, if Syria is next to Lebanon, a mountain, and by no means weak as a state, and the USSR looms behind Syria's back. In addition, the politician, no one wants to lose "face", for the time being is finite!
            Quote: bazilio
            Yes, and the same Palestine was granted autonomy (in fairness, under pressure from the international community)

            Well, when you want, you can express stupid and honest thoughts, but somehow they come out tightly with you, I'm sorry. Exactly what happened because the existence of Isergil as a state, balanced over the abyss then, and only the support of the American Zionist state allowed him to survive then. If they behaved themselves more brazenly and directly, according to their essence, they could have set up the whole world against themselves specifically, if only there would have been a khan to them! So they stepped on their throats, their exorbitant Ego. But in recent years, they gradually take off their masks, the Jews, and here we are witnessing the process.
            1. il grand casino
              il grand casino 19 August 2013 20: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: old man54
              But the Jews lived on these lands for at least 1000 years,

              And who, according to yours, lived in Jerusalem, Haifa, etc.?
              1. old man54
                old man54 19 August 2013 22: 25 New
                -3
                Quote: il grand casino
                Quote: old man54
                But the Jews lived on these lands for at least 1000 years,

                And who, according to yours, lived in Jerusalem, Haifa, etc.?

                Well, I don't have exact census data of those years in those lands, and I don't think they even exist at all. Yes, Jews had a place to be there, no one says that they were not there at all. But, I believe that their% there was not high, no more than 15% of the total. Who lived there? Arabs, various, from the Syrian to the Egyptians, of course, there were many of those Arabs whom we call Palestinians today. And by the way, proceeding from the logic of the same "bazilio", it is Turkey, as the legal successor of the Ottoman Empire, that has, in theory, much greater rights to consider these lands their own than the same Jews! (this is in theory, but personally I really do not like this idea).
                Even according to the testimony of contemporary historians of the 1st and 2nd crusades of the West to Jerusalem, both in this city and in others located nearby on the "holy land", the majority of the population in those lands and cities were Muslim-Arabs from various neighboring places , there were Christians from Greece and Byzantium (quite a lot), from the Balkan states, Orthodox were even from Western Europe. There were Jews, too, where without them, but they were in% no more than in Europe!
                The presence of Jews even in 1096-1149 in Jerusalem and its environs still does not mean anything! There, in the southern, Black Sea part of the Russian Empire, present-day Ukraine, they were always full, as well as in my Novosibirsk, there were always a lot of them in the Academ campus, but this does not mean that their compact living in these places gives them the right to create their own national states on these lands! Or do you think otherwise? hi
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 20 August 2013 00: 14 New
                  0
                  Quote: old man54
                  Well, I don’t have exact census data for those years in those lands, and I think they hardly exist at all.
                  Well, look. Different rulers made very accurate censuses - as you think, they collected taxes. You are just too lazy, you have never dealt normally with historical documents.
                  Quote: old man54
                  Arabs, various, from Syrian to Egyptians, of course there were many of those Arabs whom we call Palestinians today.

                  Those called Palestinian were few. Most of them appeared in the 1850s - when the Turks began the active Islamization of the territory. The bulk were Bedouins.
                  But the Jewish presence is important not by this, but primarily by the fact that despite the attempts of extermination and exile - and more than once - the Jews did not leave their land, and were always present on it.

                  Quote: old man54
                  The presence of Jews even in 1096-1149 in Jerusalem and its environs still does not mean anything! There, in the southern, Black Sea part of the Russian Empire, present-day Ukraine, they were always full, as well as in my Novosibirsk, there were always a lot of them in the Academ campus, but this does not mean that their compact living in these places gives them the right to create their own national states on these lands! Or do you think otherwise?

                  For starters, I would recommend to acquire at least theoretical knowledge about the right to sovereignty, and to acquire property and land rights. Before you climb to where your ignorance will create only stupid questions. Start with the basics.
        3. faraon
          faraon 19 August 2013 23: 22 New
          0
          Listen to the old man!
          I hope that YOU will nevertheless read the material that relates to Israeli-Arb relations, and then engage in polemics on this subject.
          Believe me, it’s embarrassing to read what YOU wrote in your post. It turns out from your words that Russia is still under the Tatar-Mongol yoke, you are already respected, study the material and then share your opinion.
          1. old man54
            old man54 20 August 2013 00: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: faraon
            I hope that YOU will nevertheless read the material that relates to Israeli-Arb relations, and then engage in polemics on this subject.

            Everything has already been read and re-read, and from such sources that you never dreamed of! Your Jewish Jews are already disgusted to read how you falsify everything there and turn it in your direction.
            Quote: faraon
            and then engage in polemics on this subject.

            Well, somehow I myself will decide when, where should I join, and with whom to paleise and whom to beat the face! No advisers on this topic, thanks! laughing
            Quote: faraon
            Believe the right to embarrass read what you wrote in your post

            well, don't read it! I, with my truth, do not climb on your Jewish sites, but here you are like uncut dogs, do you get paid for that, for being in the Russian-speaking part of the network and for imposing the point of view of the "old woman Isergil"? bully
            Quote: faraon
            It turns out from your words that Russia is still under the Tatar-Mongol yoke

            yes no it's already your delirium, all the more so that just such a "yoke", "Tatar-Mongolian" was never in Russia! This is all falsification and manipulation of history by the Zhidomassons. tongue
            Quote: faraon
            study the material and then share your opinion

            they themselves would touch the truth with at least one side, huh? and then they would have written here !! And what should I write, I myself will decide, without nozzles ... out! hi
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 20 August 2013 00: 49 New
              +1
              Quote: old man54
              don't read it like that! I, however, with my truth, do not go to your Jewish sites, but here you have become like uncut dogs,

              Registration Date: 5 May 2013 20: 56
              =)))
              The Israelis have been visiting this site since its inception, there were no particular problems until the next wave of xenophobia began in certain circles in Russia, and all inadequate people like you fell into the net, bring the truth to the people, tear the covers ...
              Quote: old man54
              and from such sources that you never dreamed

              KGB Secret Archives? Although judging by the content, it was the personal library of Klimov or Emelyanov.
              Quote: faraon
              I hope that YOU will nevertheless read the material that relates to Israeli-Arb relations, and then engage in polemics on this subject.

              Useless. Chukchi is not a reader. Chukchi is a writer!
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 20 August 2013 00: 51 New
              +3
              Forgive me, but I recommend that you first look at the site rules. You will very likely be surprised at what is written there. Should I quote?
            3. faraon
              faraon 20 August 2013 00: 51 New
              0
              There are no words alone !!!!!!! hi
            4. Neksel
              Neksel 21 August 2013 16: 42 New
              -1
              Quote: old man54
              I with my truth do not climb on your Jewish sites

              It's your right. you want to "climb", you want - no.
              Yes, and if the truth ....

              Quote: old man54
              the point of view of the "old woman Isergil"

              Why are you all the time scared over words? do you think if you express yourself humanly, they will understand it worse? what kind of joke is this? Or so you are trying to show "aerobatics" of language proficiency? It’s just disgusting to read you (just don’t have to answer like “well, don’t read”). Maybe they call you, for example, as "Mr. Russian Federation"?
    2. ruslan207
      ruslan207 19 August 2013 19: 42 New
      0
      So Europe is not right and Haaret Ataalef are you working in the ministry of propaganda?
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 19 August 2013 20: 28 New
        +1
        Haaretz is an extremely left-wing newspaper, here is a surprise. Europe, for example, supports Sunni militants, and has its very decent interests in Arab countries.
      2. atalef
        atalef 20 August 2013 20: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: ruslan207
        Ataalef you are working in the ministry of propaganda

        Atalef with one * a * - please, weird. Israeli flag, but do not know elementary words. I work in Hevrat Hashmal - if that tells you anything. And the only thing I can promote, so that people like you close to electricity would not get killed, because they would kill, but you would have to answer as normal.
  4. dobrik10
    dobrik10 19 August 2013 10: 43 New
    +3
    Neither the United States nor Israel need a resolution of the territorial issue with Palestine, in principle, not even that they are simply not needed and do not bother too much.
    All current actions that amers that Israel in the political sphere are proof of this.
    Hang noodles to the entire world community ...
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 19 August 2013 11: 01 New
      +5
      Neither the United States nor Israel need a resolution of the territorial issue with Palestine


      Moreover, this is also not necessary for the current Palestinian Authority under the leadership of Fatah. These guys are actually sitting on Israeli bayonets. As soon as ours leaves there, the scenario of the Gaza Strip 2005 will be repeated. And then the Hamasites will drag the corpses of Mahmoud Abbas and Co. along the streets tied to the cars by their feet to the cheers of the crowd.
      1. atalef
        atalef 19 August 2013 11: 43 New
        +3
        In general, the situation is absolutely absurd America in BV regularly steps on the same rake. We don’t need negotiations, we perfectly understand that nothing will come of them. For one simple reason - as long as Fatah does not agree with Hamas, the agreements do not cost anything, they don’t agree they are never Hamas - religious radicals, and Fatah - secular but Hamas controls Gaza. and Fatah - the western coast. Do not forget that these 2 units are not territorially connected in any way. Therefore, there are de facto 2 Palestinians that hate each other, while Abu Mazen seems to be their common president, and his terms of office have long expired. All decisions that he will take will not be binding and he understands this very well. His goal is to flunk the negotiations once again blaming Israel for this. We understand this - but Obama, in his stubborn stupidity, presses on both sides. Abu Mazen understands perfectly well that in the case of a peace treaty, he will not heal a penny from the World Community (or rather, at first, of course they will), which they again steal, as it was hundreds of times, and then Palestine (long since learning to work and living exclusively on handouts) will turn into the poorest state in BV (and nobody needs anyone) After that, Abu Mazen will have no one to blame for all his troubles and hardships and will have to build a state yourself, worry about unemployment, sewers, etc. Nothing will come of it. They cannot agree with each other, not exactly with Israel
      2. ruslan207
        ruslan207 19 August 2013 19: 45 New
        0
        Tourist Breakfast, first of all, it is beneficial for Israel, you are naive as if everything is done for free, Saudi Arabia, Qatar also have their own interests there
        1. faraon
          faraon 19 August 2013 23: 44 New
          +2
          What are the interests ????? let me ask,
          The Saudis and Qatar, like all the Arab countries surrounding Israel, do not give a damn about the Palestinians and their Palestine. These refugees have a bone in their throat, they do not know what to do with them.
          Answer me a question judging by the flag you are from Israel, why refugee camps still exist. In Lebanon, Jordan, the same Syria, because by your definition all Arabs are brothers.
          This cannon fodder in an armed conflict with Israel, it has no tribe of no race.
  5. Tourist Breakfast
    Tourist Breakfast 19 August 2013 10: 50 New
    +2
    Speaking of double standards - how do you like it:

    The State Department is outraged: an American killer has been freed from Palestinian terrorists.
    Among the 26 Palestinian terrorists released by the Israeli authorities on the night of August 14, a US citizen killer was released. The State Department, as a rule, requires foreign states not to release American killers from prisons.

    Al-Haj Usman Amr Mustafa in 1989 killed Frederick Rosenfeld, who was a US citizen and former soldier of the US Marine Corps. Rosenfeld repatriated to Israel in 1968.

    Marie Harf, a spokeswoman for the State Department, said the U.S. Foreign Office expressed its concern to the Israeli embassy about the release of Mustafa.


    All this despite the fact that if there were no pressure on Israel from the United States, all these guys would continue to slurp the balance.
    1. smile
      smile 19 August 2013 17: 45 New
      0
      Tourist Breakfast
      Here, ershtermet ... and then why are you silent? Or what did they say?
      By the way, I don’t understand why you succumbed to the pressure of the Americans — you are their closest ally in the BV. Or is it really so dependent on them?
      And in general, can anyone say, but why should the Americans need these negotiations for friendship with the Palestinians? Flirting in this way with the Arab monarchies? Just for credibility?
      Very curious ...
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 19 August 2013 20: 30 New
        +1
        Because the Obama administration is now in power in the States, and the ally is not a friend. The United States has very many benefits from this whole situation.
        1. ruslan207
          ruslan207 19 August 2013 22: 41 New
          -1
          Obama is still kind and he would have recalled Beni because he supported his opponent openly
  6. Dilshat
    Dilshat 19 August 2013 14: 29 New
    0
    The benefits of a permanent conflict in the Middle East for Israel and the United States are obvious. For the United States, it is an ally of Israel, constantly surrounded by Arabs and therefore dependent on it. For Israel, to make it appear to be ready for negotiations, but in fact slowly but surely expand the borders. Bonus is Arab and Jews are buying weapons from the United States, who is more who is less, I’m not talking about oil at all.
    1. Professor
      Professor 19 August 2013 16: 19 New
      +7
      Quote: Dilshat
      The Benefits of Permanent Middle East Conflict for Israel and US

      Especially for Israel, it is obvious. Instead of investing in the economy, he has to spend it on maintaining a voracious army. Super profitable investment. It is strange why Luxembourg and Monaco do not adopt such an economic model?
      1. smile
        smile 19 August 2013 17: 48 New
        0
        Professor
        They do not have so many Arabs there yet ... :))) this is how the European Caliphate will appear - they will immediately run to you to adopt the experience of the "economical economy" ... :)))
  7. ksan
    ksan 19 August 2013 15: 08 New
    +3
    These negotiations (IMHO) will not lead to anything. The contradictions are too strong, and the authority of the United States among the Arabs (as a mediator - guarantor) is much lower than during the Soviet era.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 19 August 2013 20: 31 New
      +1
      This is not the case. The administration of Abu Mazen really represents an extremely precarious structure.
  8. olviko
    olviko 19 August 2013 15: 37 New
    +3
    Israel has one standard - Eretz Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates. Therefore, all these negotiations are purely American show-offs, Obama needs at least some success, at least the appearance of success in diplomacy. Israel, all these borders of the 67th year are unnecessary, for nothing they have been urinating with Arabs since 1947, and then some kind of Kerry wants all the raspberries to cover .. Negotiations will be delayed until the end of the Obama presidency, then the Republicans, Israel’s great friends, will come and everything will fall into place. Some war will be arranged on the extremes, since Lebanon and Hezbollah are always at hand. It was not for this that Israel was created so that it would be so simply deserted. As you know, the Middle East is a gas station in the West, and at a gas station you always need a watcher so that refuellers do not decide to dope. So while the West needs oil and Israel needs and no one will seriously offend it, the Americans will always play with the rights of the Palestinians, that’s all. At least so far, the entire previous story speaks of this.
    1. Professor
      Professor 19 August 2013 16: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: olviko
      Israel has one standard - Eretz Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates. Therefore, all these negotiations are purely American show-offs,

      Therefore, Israel, through the mediation of the United States, returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt ... Iron logic. fool
  9. Des10
    Des10 19 August 2013 16: 52 New
    +7
    For me - Israel surrounded by no friends and makes allto protect yourself.
    Otherwise, he cannot survive.
    1. alone
      alone 19 August 2013 22: 55 New
      +5
      basic instinct of self-preservation yes
  10. Michael_59
    Michael_59 19 August 2013 17: 02 New
    +1
    These are double, triple, etc. The standard interests of another state are the United States.
  11. olviko
    olviko 19 August 2013 17: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: olviko
    Israel has one standard - Eretz Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates. Therefore, all these negotiations are purely American show-offs,

    Therefore, Israel, through the mediation of the United States, returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt ... Iron logic. fool


    "How will we return
    occupied territories? - There will be no one to return them. (Golda Mayir)
    Prime Minister of Israel
    "There is no such thing as
    Palestinians - they never existed "- (Golda Meir)
    "We will come
    to Palestine, whether you want it or not. You can speed it up or slow it down.
    However, it is better for you to help us, otherwise we will be forced to destroy the whole world. "
    (Chaim Weizmann "First President of Israel)
    The top officials of the state of Israel are very frank, aren't they. As for Sinai, the respected professor is not yet evening, it was only a tactical retreat, not an act of charity. It is not without reason that Israel is written
    today the only state in the world that does not officially recognize its
    borders. They are in the process of growth !!!!
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 19 August 2013 20: 32 New
      +1
      Please refer to the original quotes and sources.
      1. old man54
        old man54 19 August 2013 23: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Pimply
        Please refer to the original quotes and sources.

        Do you need a scanner with these texts and a personal signature saying it under them? laughing

        Look, see the movie, your partner number 1 (usa), link below. In YouTube, I did not find the full version, only the beginning fragment, also attached below. And then write any nonsense here, I'm sorry! hi
        http://doskado.ucoz.ru/blog/2010-01-14-5
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 August 2013 00: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: old man54
          Do you need a scanner with these texts and a personal signature saying it under them?

          I have enough of the original quotes and links. After all, you can write for example

          "I believe that Israel is the greatest country in the world, and Jews are the best and smartest people in the world. I love and adore them" (old man 54)

          Is the validity of this quote sufficient?

          Well, about the film - fine. Just great. I kept waiting for you to start showing stupid anti-Semitic movies. Bravo. Should I applaud delirium while standing?
          1. Rumata
            Rumata 20 August 2013 00: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: Pimply
            I kept waiting for you to start showing stupid anti-Semitic movies.

            I am surprised that the copy-and-paste of the "translation" of the Talmud and the "quotes" from "Shulkhan Arukh" has not yet begun ...
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 20 August 2013 01: 02 New
              +1
              Soon. I look forward to 8))
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            1. Pimply
              Pimply 20 August 2013 11: 10 New
              +1
              No-no-no, only in this form. What conditions. After all, you think that you can attribute anything to a source, right?

              Quote: old man54
              Blow in the synagogue, worship your GOD, DEVIL!

              What are your interesting ideas about Judaism.
    2. ivanovbg
      ivanovbg 19 August 2013 22: 21 New
      0
      I am also very interested in the fact that Israel does not recognize its real borders, can I give you more details, please?
    3. Professor
      Professor 20 August 2013 08: 39 New
      +2
      Either words, or a "tactical retreat" for 40 years, leaving a territory many times larger than the territory of their state.
      1. olviko
        olviko 21 August 2013 05: 50 New
        0
        The very formation of the modern state of Israel has generally stretched for centuries. Probably Jews, like Russians, harness for a long time.
        Moses led them for 40 years in the wilderness; by the way, another quote "Moses took us through the desert for 40 years to lead us to the only place in the Middle East where there is no oil." Golda Meir. Just do not ask the source, if you are interested, do not be lazy to search for yourself. You there in Israel are much closer to the source.
  12. toldanger
    toldanger 19 August 2013 20: 09 New
    +1
    Israel has a lot to learn. Nice country and smart people. You can talk a lot about Israel’s aggressiveness, but you can’t do anything different with Arabs. The same *** Caucasus ***, just no words ... even though there are not Arabs, but their Muslims.
  13. alone
    alone 19 August 2013 20: 19 New
    +2
    I personally think that a long-term conflict is not profitable for Jews and Arabs (I mean ordinary people). Tell me, who wants to live their whole lives with the fear that a box office missile will hit his house, or will a merkava shell explode near his house? the preservation of the conflict is beneficial to countries that are far from the Middle East. ordinary people do not need this conflict.
    1. ruslan207
      ruslan207 19 August 2013 22: 46 New
      +2
      Actually, had not Israel, Arabs would have fought among themselves Sunnis against Shiites
      1. alone
        alone 19 August 2013 22: 53 New
        +1
        ))) I do not exclude this option.
      2. old man54
        old man54 19 August 2013 23: 12 New
        -1
        Quote: ruslan207
        Actually, had not Israel, Arabs would have fought among themselves Sunnis against Shiites

        if no one deliberately steals them, then no one fights against each other, at least as much as possible!
      3. Neksel
        Neksel 21 August 2013 16: 54 New
        0
        Quote: ruslan207
        Actually, had not Israel, Arabs would have fought among themselves Sunnis against Shiites

        What doubts can there be if they strike each other even if it exists ....
  14. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 19 August 2013 21: 39 New
    0
    “Greta Duisenberg, chair of the End Occupation Foundation in Holland, believes Israel is currently engaged in“ blatant ethnic cleansing. ”According to her, the new round of negotiations will not be successful: the new construction requires the destruction of Palestinian villages, the expulsion of more than 40000 Palestinians and confiscation of more than 800000 dirhams of land. The expert calls all this "blatant ethnic cleansing." - that's right, you need to call a spade a spade, but how else to call it? Israel is an evil state that is still winning on all fronts, but for now, I think the process of eliminating this entity has already been launched and launched - who would have thought - Israel's main ally - the United States. Although ... I recently read a book about Jewish pogroms - it turns out among the Jews (I don't know if it is possible to equate Israelis with Jews and vice versa, I think these are not the same characters) there are normal people, or rather, were their ancestors alive in the modern Israel, given the evil that modern Israelis are doing - I'm not sure. So in this book, the author proves that part of the Jewish society was capable of actions, and part could in its inhuman cruelty be compared with the most cruel and monstrous representatives of the human race. So I'm not surprised by the terms that Greta Duisenberg uses - “blatant ethnic cleansing” - these are their methods.
    1. ruslan207
      ruslan207 19 August 2013 22: 50 New
      0
      Actually, Russia has little interest in the Palestinian Arabs, it is the sphere of influence of the United States, and Saudi Arabia, Russia, the main thing is that the Syrian regime can resist who needs them just a politics all these Palestinians don't need anyone
    2. old man54
      old man54 19 August 2013 23: 20 New
      -1
      You "+" from me! hi
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      The expert calls all this “blatant ethnic cleansing”.

      and what does the UN think about this, huh? "bazilio", Where are you?? bully
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      Israel is a state of evil, which so far wins on all fronts, but so far

      good tongue
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 20 August 2013 01: 00 New
        +3
        Quote: old man54
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        Israel is a state of evil, which so far wins on all fronts, but so far
        good tongue

        You found each other =)
    3. faraon
      faraon 20 August 2013 00: 00 New
      +3
      And you try to read more serious literature at least about the same Holland, and their attitude towards Muslim migrants, as they have already occupied entire neighborhoods, demand from the government social subsidies for rights, how they destroy and destroy everything in their path. I think your worldview will change instantly and YOU will no longer read articles written by the chairmen of all possible funds.
  15. faraon
    faraon 19 August 2013 23: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: APASUS
    Quote: Pimply
    Yes, help from the US matters. Crucial for the existence of the country? Do not make me laugh.

    Why laugh? You look at the currency of Israel on world exchanges, everything will become clear.
    Dependence proportional to subsidies from the USA. I do not say that they are sitting on their necks but without money from the USA ...... will come the next day

    The United States assists Israel and is its guarantor of security, but this does not mean that the United States does it for free with beautiful Jewish eyes. It is paid at a very high price for Egypt. The Sinai Peninsula was returned to the territory commensurate with the state of Israel. This is not enough. ????? As it was written above, until 1969, the United States was obsessively all the same whether or not the state of Israel exists, with all the consequences, and only after the war did they pay attention to Israel when they transferred the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt and the provision of military assistance in the order of 4 billion.
    With regard to high technology, Israel is a high-tech power possessing nuclear technology, I will not speak for agriculture and health.
    Now, with regard to American rubles, if Israel ceases to support the US currency, and also takes its assets in foreign banks, the dollar will collapse, which will entail the global economic crisis.
    And you speak for dating - this is only the minimum percentage for a US loan
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 20 August 2013 00: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: faraon
      Now, with regard to American rubles, if Israel ceases to support the US currency, and also takes its assets in foreign banks, the dollar will collapse, which will entail the global economic crisis.

      Sorry, but what is this nonsense ???
  16. faraon
    faraon 19 August 2013 23: 47 New
    0
    Quote: smile
    Tourist Breakfast
    Here, ershtermet ... and then why are you silent? Or what did they say?
    By the way, I don’t understand why you succumbed to the pressure of the Americans — you are their closest ally in the BV. Or is it really so dependent on them?
    And in general, can anyone say, but why should the Americans need these negotiations for friendship with the Palestinians? Flirting in this way with the Arab monarchies? Just for credibility?
    Very curious ...

    Obama, feels that his presidency will soon be covered with a copper basin, wants to receive, like all previous presidents, the Nobel Peace Prize, and write himself in the tablets of history
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 20 August 2013 01: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: faraon
      wants to receive, like all previous presidents, the Nobel Peace Prize, and enter himself in the tablets of history

      He already received it ... =)
  17. faraon
    faraon 20 August 2013 01: 07 New
    +1
    Well, probably one more ??????
  18. ONill
    ONill 20 August 2013 02: 12 New
    -1
    It turns out interesting. Someone silences the story, but someone does not know it! Our Israeli colleagues, too, are in no hurry to "open our eyes." On the Promised Land there was another Power and a very powerful Power! And it was not Russichi and not Arabs. It was a powerful force that built Catholic churches in the Holy Land. And fought "woo-death", with the same Arabs. But they all the same "crushed" her, with their insidiousness. Look at the story, who is interested!
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 20 August 2013 11: 11 New
      +4
      That is, the Jews and the crusaders? And not Salah al-Din?
  19. ONill
    ONill 20 August 2013 02: 37 New
    0
    To this topic. Why do the Israelites, even in dismissal, do not part with their weapons? In the restaurant, cinema, beach, etc. Gun, machine gun, machine gun! This is the same story! I can tell a lot about the Palestinians and the Israelites. And everyone will be right in his own way !!!
    1. Neksel
      Neksel 21 August 2013 17: 03 New
      0
      Quote: ONill
      Why do the Israelites, even in dismissal, do not part with their weapons?

      What kind of nonsense? only if it is not possible to leave the weapon locked, in connection with the responsibility that will have to be borne if personal weapons are stolen.
      In addition, many soldiers with weapons are visible on the streets due to the fact that they crawl like the rest of the population in the same civilian transport.
  20. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 20 August 2013 09: 47 New
    0
    At least there was a small digression into history, about selective human memory and that there are normal people among the Jews, because at least there were no more Jews who defended the Arabs in the village of Deir Yassin.
    "Deir Yassin is an Arab settlement in Palestine, a modern suburb of Jerusalem. On April 9, 1948, this settlement was almost completely massacred by a group of Jewish terrorists from the Irgun organization. The head of the detachment was Menachem Begin, the future president of Israel.
    Almost the entire population was killed - 253 people, with pregnant women ripping open their bellies, babies smashing their heads on fences and walls of houses. They wanted to kill everyone without exception, but the Jews intervened - religious fundamentalists from a neighboring village. They came and began to shout to the Zionists that they were criminals and murderers. Therefore, not everyone was killed, the surviving Arabs were "just" loaded onto trucks, and then taken to the Arab quarter of Jerusalem. Religious Jewish fundamentalists did not allow them to be shot outside the village, thanks to them.
    The village was razed to the ground. Now there is a suburb of Jerusalem.
    Since then, Deir Yasin has been a gloomy symbol, like Babi Yar, Auschwitz or Katyn. That is, of course, with a certain structure of the brain, you can only remember Babi Yar, but completely forget about Deir Yasin ... But this is a completely different question, what exactly this or that person remembers. "- today the" cleansing "continues, but under a different sauce - the Israeli state today is not even trying to make excuses, it just does what is needed and that's it.
    Quote from the book by Andrey Borovsky "Jewish pogroms Grief by double standards". I recommend that local representatives of the Israeli territorial misunderstanding familiarize themselves.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 20 August 2013 11: 18 New
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      Almost the entire population was killed - 253 people, with pregnant women ripping open their bellies, babies were smashing their heads on fences and walls of houses. They wanted to kill everyone without exception, but the Jews intervened - religious fundamentalists from a neighboring village.

      Just know that - that’s strange, somehow there was no real evidence for that.
      Almost the entire population is from 800 to 1000 people, while more serious sources give the death toll 107?

      Hassan Nuseyba, who was an Arabic-language news editor in 1948 for a British radio station in Palestine, told the BBC television station about the situation in Deir Yassin. He said that he had asked Hussouin Khaledi (Secretary of the Higher Attestation Commission) how he would cover the story in Deir Yassin, to which Khaledi replied: “We need to make the most of it.” Therefore, Nuseyba and reported on the radio about the killing of children and rape of pregnant women in Deir Yassin. In the same broadcast, one of the villagers, Abu Mahmoud, said that the residents then protested: “We told them that there were no rapes.” Khalidi answered them: "We need this so that the Arab armies come and save us from the Jews."
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 20 August 2013 11: 33 New
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        “We need to get the most out of her.” Therefore, Nuseiba reported on the radio about the murders of children and the rape of pregnant women in Deir Yassin. In the same program, one of the villagers, Abu Mahmud, said that the villagers protested then: “We told them that there were no rapes.” Khalidi answered them: “We need this in order for the Arab armies to come and save us from the Jews” - as you say - evidence in the studio.

        Here are the words of the author to whom I refer: "Of course, in my new book I will not take sides, I will neither justify nor exalt anyone. Let everyone be rewarded with one measure. If a person breaks the head of another person, let him be named he is a villain and a criminal the way he deserves. He is Russian, a Jew, an Englishman or a Papuan. And if a person, risking his own life, saves his neighbors, to whom the crowd rushes in, let his act be called a bright feat. Again, it makes no difference - what color he had eyes, passport cover and wallpaper in the hallway. "
        According to the parties' assessments of this situation differently, the massacre was and this is a fact, which is also confirmed by the Israeli side: "In 2002, at the request of Knesset Member Naomi Khazan from the extreme left party of Meretz, the IDF banned the former member of Lehi's organization Ezra Yakhin from speaking to the soldiers from now on. the army of Israel, as he stated in his lectures that there was no massacre in Deir Yassin. " Apparently this is the same source that you used.
      2. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 20 August 2013 11: 57 New
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        "Hassan Nuseiba, who was the Arabic-language news editor of a British radio station in Palestine in 1948, told the BBC ..." - and how else could he answer, he also worked for the British. It's like asking the Voice of America reporter for an assessment of the events in Afghanistan.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 August 2013 20: 44 New
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          The question was asked much later if you did not pay attention. And the British did not feel warm feelings for the Israelis.
          1. Ruslan_F38
            Ruslan_F38 20 August 2013 21: 00 New
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            The question was asked much later if you did not pay attention. And the British did not feel warm feelings for the Israelis.


            I know. England initially opposed the creation of the state of Israel. But one does not interfere with the other. Maybe they didn’t feel warm feelings, but it was supported by the Israelis, not the Palestinians.
            Balfour Declaration. Here is a letter from British Foreign Minister A.J. Balfour to Lord L.W. Rothschild, proclaiming that Britain supports the idea of ​​creating a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine, subject to the rights of local Arabs. England and the United States are one Satan and they have one policy.
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    ONill 20 August 2013 21: 59 New
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    That is, the Jews and the crusaders? And not Salah al-Din?

    Respected! Of course, Salah al-Din. At that time he "drove for the mozhay" And the Templars and the Israelites. And then everything was with varying success. Correct if I'm wrong. By the way! Which Palestinian pariah is more prepared for a joint dialogue?
  22. Yasen Ping
    Yasen Ping 22 August 2013 20: 59 New
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    good article good , an article, plus, there would be more of such articles so that people would see who is ...