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Pacific Fleet of Russia: the fifth most powerful in the Pacific

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Pacific Fleet of Russia: the fifth most powerful in the Pacific

For Russia, the situation in the Far East is catastrophic


The Pacific Fleet of the Russian Federation defends Russia's interests in the region, which has already become the new economic center of the world and very quickly becomes the military and political center. For purely geographical reasons, in case of war, he will be isolated from the other three Russian fleets. Moreover, within the Pacific Fleet itself, Primorskaya and Kamchatka will be isolated from each other. flotilla. At the same time, shipbuilding and ship repair are much less developed in the Far East than in the European part of the country.

What does Russia have in the Pacific Fleet

Today, the Pacific Fleet includes 3 atomic missile submarines (RPK SN or SSBN) of 667BDR Ave. (outdated and soon will be written off), according to 5 of SSGN of 949A and PLA of 971 ave. (Of which 3 is under repair or maintenance) 8 diesel submarines of 877 Ave., Varyag missile cruiser of 1164 Ave. (nuclear-powered missile cruiser Admiral Lazarev Ave. 1144 is in conservation and has no chance to get out of it). 1 is a destroyer of 956 ave. (3 is also in conservation for no chance for resuscitation), 4 large anti-submarine ship (BOD) pr. 1155, 8 MPK ave. 1124М, 4 small rocket ship (MRK) pr. 12341, 10 rocket boats Ave 12411, 9 minesweepers, 4 large landing craft (BDK) (1 extremely outdated Ave 1171, 2 Ave 775, 1 Ave 775М). Virtually all of these ships were commissioned in the 1980s. No real update of the Pacific Fleet is expected, except for the 1 Corvette Ave. 20380 - a very unfortunate design for a ship designed for export to developing countries, but for some reason imposed on the Russian Navy. In addition, apparently, it is precisely on the Pacific Fleet that two French misunderstandings will be known, known as the UDC of the Mistral type. However, this is logical. The only conceivable task for these iron boxes as part of the Russian Navy is to use them as transport ships for the transportation of troops from Russia to Russia, i.e. from the mainland to the Kuril Islands.

Impact power of the US PF

Comparison of the Russian Pacific Fleet with other fleets of the region makes a very heavy impression.


American nuclear aircraft carrier "George Washington" in the port of the city of Busan, South Korea. Photo: Jo Jung-ho / AP


If earlier the Atlantic and Pacific fleets of the United States were almost equal in strength to the accuracy of the ship, now priority is given to the Pacific Fleet, it is supposed to have at least 60% of the US Navy in its composition. Today in the US Pacific Fleet: from submarines - 8 SSBNs and 2 SSGNs of the Ohio type (on SSGNs of the 24 SLBM Trident-2, on the SSGNs of the 154 SLCM Tomahawk), 30 of the PLAXNNXX type of the PLNKX type PLNKX. 24 type "Sea Wolf", 3 type "Virginia"); 3 nuclear aircraft carriers of the Nimitz type, 6 cruisers of the Taykonderoga type, 12 destroyers of the Orly Burk type, 33 frigates of the Oliver Perry type, 8 UDC (5 of the Tarawa type, 1 of the Wosp type), 4XUMUM, 5 ship docks - DVKD (1 type "Austin", 4 type "San Antonio"), 6 paratroopers of transport dock - DTD (4 type "Widbee Island", 2 type "Harpers Ferry"). The fleet receives new submarines of the Virginia type, destroyers of the Orly Burk type, DVKD of the San Antonio type, submarines of the Los Angeles type and frigates of the Oliver Perry type, and the last UDK of the Tarava type in the near future and Austin type DVKD. The US Pacific Fleet possesses gigantic strike potential, since all the submarines, cruisers and destroyers are carriers of the Tomahawk SLCM. In addition, from the 5 cruisers and 16 destroyers of the US Navy, capable of solving missile defense tasks, all but one cruiser are part of the Pacific Fleet.

The only rival of the Americans - the Chinese fleet

The only decent opponent of Americans in the Pacific today is the Chinese Navy.

Chinese submarine fleet is the largest in the world. It consists of: submarines - 5 SSBN (1 Ave 092 and 4 Ave 094), 8 PLA (4 Ave 091 and 093) and at least 60 Submarine (up to 10 041 Ave, 8 Ave NNNXXNNXX 636 ATPNNXX ATPNNXX, 2 ATP 636 and 877 ATP 13 ATP) Ave 039 and 5, 035 Ave 13G, 035 Ave 8G, 033 Ave 041, up to 636 Ave 039). All submarines and submarines of pr. 033A, 035EM and 041G are armed with anti-ship missiles. The old submarines of pr. 095 and 043 are decommissioned, instead of them are under construction of submarine of pr. XNUMXА, construction of the submarine of pr. XNUMX and submarine of pr. XNUMX has begun.

The aircraft carrier Liaonin (the failed Soviet Varyag) attracts a lot of attention from outside observers. However, due to the peculiarity of the design (springboard instead of a catapult) and the actual absence of deck aircraft (as long as the entire X-NUMX of the J-4 aircraft is available), it will forever remain an experimental pilot ship, and not a full-fledged combat unit. Real aircraft carriers of their own construction will appear in China no earlier than in 15 years.

The destroyers of the PLA Navy are 25: 2 pr. 956, 2 pr. 956 ”, 3 Ave 052“ Lyuda-2 ”and 052 Ave 2“ Lyuda-052 ”(another ship of the Ave 2 passed to the Coast Guard). All “Lyudy” are gradually being written off, destroyers of the 051С ave are built to replace them (there are still 1 units, that is, there will be a total of 051). Starting with the 2 ship of this series, they no longer carry Russian weapon systems. In particular, the C-051F air defense system with a turret-type PU is replaced by a HHQ-3 with a CIP.


The destroyer "Harbin" during the Russian-Chinese exercises in the Yellow Sea. Photo: Xinhua / AP


At the same time, the construction of “Chinese Ajis”, the destroyers of 052D Ave, was launched, on which a universal UVP on 64 missiles of various classes (SLCM, anti-ship missiles, missiles, PLUR) will be placed. There will be at least 10 units of them in the Chinese fleet (the first 4 are under construction now, of which 3 are already launched). China will become the fourth country in the world (after the United States, Japan and the Republic of Korea), which has ships of this class. They will be able to enter both aircraft carrier formations as escort ships and operational groups for independent action in the open ocean, including at a considerable distance from the coast of the People's Republic of China, including attacking coastal targets. This gives the PLA Navy a completely new quality, which the Chinese fleet has never had in modern stories.

Frigates Chinese fleet now has 48, 15, 054, 2 and 054 X.UMX, six different modifications of the 31, NNXXN, 053, NNXX, 10, 053, 3, NNXX, NNXX, NNXX 4 pr. 053H). In addition, two old frigates of the project 2H were handed over to the Coast Guard, one frigate of the same project was converted into an assault support ship (armed with MLRS), one frigate of the project 6HT-H is used as a training ship. The frigates of the 053 Ave. early modifications are gradually being written off, the ships of the 1 Ave are being built (a total of at least 3 will be built).

Along with the strike weapons traditional for the PLA Navy (8 C-803 CRP in container launchers), the 054 Ave ships became the first Chinese frigates having an adequate airtight airtight missile for XHUM-32 (based on the Russian Shti air defense missile system). "). Due to this, these frigates will become universal escort ships that can be used to protect aircraft carriers near their shores and to strengthen destroyers in the open ocean. China already has the largest frigate fleet in the world. Obviously, their number will be maintained at about 16 units with continuous improvement in their quality.

Traditionally, the mosquito fleet is very developed in China. Today it includes 119 missile boats (83 speed catamaran Ave 022, 6 Ave 037-II, 30 Ave 037-IG) and up to 250 patrol boats. A certain sensation of the last year was the massive construction of 056 ships in China. A year ago, nothing was known about them. The first ship of this type was laid in May 2012. Today, 6 such ships are in service, at least 10 are under construction, or are under test. The total number of ships in the series will obviously exceed 20 units (it may even go to 50). Such a pace of construction has no analogues in the post-war history in any country of the world. It is especially impressive given the fact that fairly large ships are being built (displacement of about 1,5 thousand tons, length of 95 m). In China, they are classified as frigates, in foreign sources - as corvettes. For comparison, it can be said that in Russia of years similar in size, displacement and armament of corvettes of 20380 Ave. for 12 (the first one began to be built in 2001), the 3 units were commissioned, i.e. The Chinese rate of commissioning of similar ships in 24 (!) is higher than in ours.

The landing forces of the PLA Navy are great, they include 3 DVKD Ave 071, 30 large and up to 60 medium landing ships. Each DVK can accommodate up to 800 marines and 50 armored vehicles, which can be transferred from ship to shore using airborne air cushion boats and 4 helicopters available onboard the DVND 4.

It is impossible not to note the unprecedentedly high capabilities of the Chinese shipbuilding industry, which it now demonstrates. Currently, 6 destroyers, 4 frigates, at least 9 corvettes, as well as 10 atomic and diesel submarines and at least 1 DVKD, i.e., are being built and completed at shipyards and afloat. at least 30 units of warships only. Such rates of fleet construction are inaccessible even for the USA; there is simply no possibility for comparison with any other country.

Russia is not a competitor and fleets other Pacific countries

In recent years, the Taiwan Navy has lagged far behind the Chinese and has lost the real prospects of competition with it, however, its surface forces are very large. The submarine fleet of Taiwan, consisting of 2 PL of the Dutch 1980-s and 2 PL of the American 1940-s, can be considered non-existent. As for the surface fleet, Taiwan has American XDUMX destroyers of the Kidd type, according to the American 4 frigates of the Oliver Perry and Knox types, 8 French Lafayette frigates, about 6 of rocket corvettes and boats.

The Japanese Navy are among the top five in the world. All of their ships and submarines were built in the country itself, while their weapons are mainly American-made, or produced in Japan under an American license. At the same time, Japan is directly involved in the development of shipboard SAM "Standard". The notorious US missile defense system, in fact, is basically a myth. Its only real-life component is the sea one, based precisely on the standard-type SAM system of various modifications. And, in fact, it is not American, but American-Japanese.


Japanese destroyer type "Congo" during the US-Japan exercises near the island of Kauai, Hawaii. Photo: Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force / AP


Japan's submarine fleet consists only of diesel (non-nuclear) submarines. Now in its composition 5 PL of the type “Soryu” (2 is still under construction), 11 of the type “Oyashio”, 1 of the type “Harusio” (still 3 PL of this type are used as training).

All large surface ships of the Japanese Navy are classified as destroyers, which in some cases is rather strange. Among these destroyers, besides the really destroyers, are aircraft carriers (helicopter carriers), cruisers and frigates.

“Destroyers” -controllers - 2 ship type “Hyuga” and 2 type “Sirane”. If the destroyers “Sirane” are really helicopter carriers, then the newest “Hyuuga” are light aircraft carriers in size and architecture, capable of carrying ATVM attack aircraft to 10. However, Japan does not have such planes, therefore, de facto these ships are also used as helicopter carriers.

"Destroyers", in fact, are cruisers - 2 ship type "Atago" and 4 type "Congo". They are equipped with the Aegis system and, because of this, can be an integral part of the sea missile defense component.

Among the destroyers proper, the most modern ships are of three types, in fact, being three modifications of one project: 2 of the “Akizuki” type (2 is still under construction), 5 of the Takana type, 9 of the Muraseme type. There are also older destroyers: 6 of the “Asagiri” type (2 is also used as training ones), 5 of the Hatsuyuki type (3 as training ones), 2 of the Khakadze type.

Finally, “escort destroyers”, i.e. frigates - 6 type ships "Abukuma".

The Japanese Navy also includes 6 missile boats of the Hayabus type, 28 minesweepers, 3 DTD of the Osumi type. The latter have significantly increased the amphibious capabilities of the Japanese fleet, but in general they remain very limited, they cannot conduct serious amphibious operations by the Navy and the Self-Defense Forces as a whole.

The Navy of the Republic of Korea two decades ago consisted of American artillery destroyers built 1940-ies, mediocre own frigates such as "Ulsan" and hundreds of corvettes and patrol boats, designed to fight the huge "mosquito fleet" of the DPRK. To this day, the Republic of Korea has built an excellent ocean fleet, one of the ten strongest in the world, with very powerful strike capabilities and extremely strong air defense.

Thanks to cooperation with Germany, the Republic of Korea in a short time has created from scratch one of the most powerful submarine fleets in the world, consisting of 9 Submarine Ave 209 and 3 Submarine Ave 214. For at least a short time, 12 destroyers of three modifications were built, the last of which (3 destroyer of the “Sajon Tevan” type) is represented, in fact, by the world's most powerful surface combat non-avianos ships. These ships, equipped with the Aegis system, are armed with a UNP on 80. A standard Attack missile system, an UVP on the 32. PLUR "Red Shark", as well as 3х1,5 PU PKRC Heson. All of these missiles, except for the "Standards" - are self-developed, albeit with American influence. The construction of Incheon-type frigates (from 16 to 4, they will replace the UNs 4) has begun, and they will also be armed with the 18 SUNM XYNMU-24. They built 9 DVKD type "Dokdo", superior in their performance characteristics to the European ships of the same class, built more 4 similar ship. At the same time in the Navy remains up to 3 patrol boats and corvettes. New corvettes with rocket armament are being built.

If you go further south, it is impossible not to mention the Thai Navy. They include a light aircraft carrier, 8 frigates (2 American type Knox, 6 Chinese: 4 Ave 053, 2 type Naresuan with Western weapons), 2 training frigate, 7 corvettes and 6 missile boats. Indonesia has 2 German submarines Ave 209, 9 frigates of Dutch construction (one of them recently armed with the newest Russian Yakhont anti-ship missiles), 20 corvettes. As part of the Singapore Navy microscopic - on 6 most modern submarines, frigates and corvettes. Finally, Australia has Collins-type 6 submarines of Swedish construction and 12 frigates - American-type 4 Oliver Perry and 8's own ANZAC-type frigates.

Thus, if the submarine forces of the Pacific Fleet of the Russian Federation are at least among the top five in the Pacific, the surface ones are at the very end of the top ten with chances of even falling out of it due to the rapid growth of the Malaysian and Vietnamese Navy. Of course, not all of the countries we are lagging behind are likely adversaries. Nevertheless, the situation in the Far East is catastrophic. Due to the geopolitical situation, the Pacific Fleet should definitely be the main of our fleets. But it is he who is in the fullest corral, and in Moscow for some reason this is considered the norm. All European fleets and flotilla even a little, but updated. The Pacific Fleet does not receive this. All European fleets and flotilla on their theaters are in the top three, the Pacific Fleet, in general, does not even make it to the top five. But this Moscow does not seem to care.
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  1. NOMADE
    NOMADE 15 August 2013 08: 12 New
    +4
    + Thanks for the information, albeit sad. I am ashamed to admit that I did not know that South Korea has such a fleet. recourse
    1. Russian
      Russian 15 August 2013 08: 17 New
      +5
      Hmm, it reminds the situation before the war with Japan. Then, the Pacific Fleet was also poorly developed, and everyone knows perfectly well what this led to. In the days of the USSR, it was fixed, now apparently, everything must be started a new way. And the sooner the better.
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius 15 August 2013 09: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        Then, the Pacific Fleet was also poorly developed, and everyone knows perfectly well what this led to.

        But this is not necessary. By the number of battleships, our First Pacific was ahead of the Japanese.
        Not the ships are to blame.
        As for the current fleet, the situation is peak.
        1. Russian
          Russian 15 August 2013 09: 45 New
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          Quote: Iraclius
          Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
          Then, the Pacific Fleet was also poorly developed, and everyone knows perfectly well what this led to.

          But this is not necessary. By the number of battleships, our First Pacific was ahead of the Japanese.
          Not the ships are to blame.
          As for the current fleet, the situation is peak.


          But in the Navy there were not only armadillos. So, straight away, I can of course be mistaken, but I remember for sure that we drove the fleet from the other end of the world to help the Pacific squadron. And I can say that qualitatively our ships, too, were mostly inferior. Although I nevertheless took it narrowly, the most important infrastructure was not developed.
          1. vyatom
            vyatom 15 August 2013 10: 22 New
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            Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
            So, straight away, I can of course be mistaken, but I remember for sure that we drove the fleet from the other end of the world to help the Pacific squadron. And I can say that qualitatively our ships, too, were mostly inferior. Although I nevertheless took it narrowly, the most important infrastructure was not developed.

            Well here again. I heard a ring, but I don’t know where he came from. Read the history of the Russo-Japanese War, and then welcome to the forum.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 August 2013 08: 50 New
              +1
              And what, in your opinion, is not so for R_u_s_s_s_k_o_g_o? Only, I ask you, do not send me to learn the history of the REV, I completely own it :)))
        2. svp67
          svp67 15 August 2013 10: 42 New
          +5
          Quote: Iraclius
          As for the current fleet, the situation is peak.

          As well as "shitty and deplorable" ... And it will be so until the new modern ships in the proper quantity begin to arrive on the fleet ...
          1. rks5317
            rks5317 17 August 2013 18: 09 New
            +6
            First you need to build Sochi-2014. Then the train Moscow-Kazan. And then on the nose-the world football championship ... The contract for the construction of 34 MIG-35 was canceled ... The money from the Ministry of Emergency Situations ran out ... But to China. more than a year of aircraft. than in the USA together with NATO. it is necessary to deliver 35 SU-35 ... Or maybe these missing 70 aircraft to be put in a circle. to somehow hold out for the first case? ... Guess with 3 times. what does it smell? Correct treason !!!
        3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 August 2013 08: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Iraclius
          But this is not necessary. By the number of battleships, our First Pacific was ahead of the Japanese.

          Ummm .... how is 5 squadron battleship and two cruiser armadillos ahead of six squadron battleships in Japan? Especially considering the fact that Japanese EDBs were still being built in England and our three Poltavas in their performance characteristics corresponded approximately to the first two Japanese battleships?
          And if you recall the presence of 6 armored cruisers (with the advent of Kasuga and Nissin they became 8), against which 1TOE had only four?
      2. vyatom
        vyatom 15 August 2013 10: 18 New
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        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        Then, the Pacific Fleet was also poorly developed, and everyone knows perfectly well what this led to.

        And what did this lead to? Unclear.
        1. little man
          little man 15 August 2013 14: 57 New
          +4
          To the defeat of the Russian fleet and great shame. Well and then, as a result - the death of the empire.
      3. vyatom
        vyatom 15 August 2013 10: 21 New
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        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        Hmm, it reminds the situation before the war with Japan. Then, the Pacific Fleet was also poorly developed, and everyone knows perfectly well what this led to. In the days of the USSR, it was fixed, now apparently, everything must be started a new way. And the sooner the better.

        If you take and read historical literature, you will understand that before the Russo-Japanese War, the Pacific Squadron was strong enough to defend our Far Eastern borders. Another issue is that there was no effective command and the fleet was locked in Port Arthur. Also do not forget about the demolition of "Petrapavlovsk" on mines.
        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 15 August 2013 20: 34 New
          +1
          I did not even read the article to the end, I did not imagine that the situation was so deplorable. South Korean fleet surprised. Well, if we can’t build new ships, why don’t we upgrade the old ones? Apparently we are waiting for another Minister of Defense, but he will definitely manage.
      4. starshina78
        starshina78 15 August 2013 21: 45 New
        +4
        I agree that in the days of the USSR they fixed it! I served at the Pacific Fleet, in Kamchatka (1975 - 1978), and I myself saw how the new ships went. only during my service came to Kamchatka: "Reasonable", "Watchdog", "Frisky"? (in my opinion, the third of Pr.1135 ships that came to us was called), new missile boats, minesweepers, icebreakers, divers, a sonar vessel, rocket carrier, KIK vessels, new nuclear boats, and much more. Now look at the satellite map of Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and, alas, it is getting bitter. Some drowned.
  2. Trailer
    Trailer 15 August 2013 08: 36 New
    +2
    Something somehow became sad! And what, of the new Boreev and Ash-tree submarines, nothing will go to the Pacific Fleet? I read it out of interest - they promise to return a lot of submarines after the repair to 2020 year.

    TOTAL to 2020 year from repair promise to return:

    1. Destroyers of the 956 project, Sarych type - 2 pcs.
    2. Strategic missile submarines of the 667 project Kalmar BDR - 1 pcs.
    3. Nuclear submarines with cruise missiles of the 949A Antey project - 3 pcs.
    4. Nuclear torpedo submarines of the 971 project "Pike-B" - 5 pcs.
    5. Diesel torpedo submarines of the 877 Halibut / Varshavyanka project - 3 pcs.

    The emphasis is on the submarine fleet. BUT! Almost 90% of the voiced - still the times of the USSR. As well as the repair structure under them.
    1. ankh-andrej
      ankh-andrej 15 August 2013 12: 35 New
      +1
      Sergei Shoigu said that as a result of the implementation of the state armament program until 2020, the Russian Navy will receive eight new missile submarines, 16 multipurpose submarines and 54 surface combat ships of various classes.
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 August 2013 08: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Karavan
      TOTAL to 2020 year from repair promise to return:

      Dear Caravan, nowhere is it said how many ships by 2020 will have to be withdrawn from the fleet due to the end of any resource?
    3. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 19 August 2013 12: 43 New
      0
      Hi, everything is much more complicated, While there is no shipbuilding and ship repair base, We just decided what to do next, It’s certainly unpleasant, but things seem to be moving, Zvezdochka is almost ready, and there were more problems than we saw there in Moscow, huge efforts are now being made to launch a new shipbuilding , Now this is the main thing, As soon as mass civil shipbuilding begins, why a new shipyard was built it will be easier to launch military shipbuilding, It’s probably not for nothing that high inspectors are sent there very often Criticism sounds not only of the local government but also of the central control apparatuses, Just one result from the USC is simply taking away a new plant for red tape for the inability to clearly fulfill the obligations undertaken, After all, there is only one requirement to start a new plant, How much you can pull, Then the load will be much easier on others and opportunities will increase, Do not forget there is another problem to re-equip all enterprises without stopping them, Wait a bit and we will see these works in the form of warships,
  3. eplewke
    eplewke 15 August 2013 08: 45 New
    +3
    it would take 10-15 years to create a full-fledged fleet ... We simply do not have this time ...
    We must at least equalize coastal strike systems, because we are unable to build and catch ships at such a pace, China and the United States ... Sadly. But at least something new is introduced, and that pleases.
    1. vyatom
      vyatom 16 August 2013 09: 58 New
      0
      Quote: eplewke
      it would take 10-15 years to create a full-fledged fleet ... We simply do not have this time ...
      We must at least equalize coastal strike systems, because we are unable to build and catch ships at such a pace, China and the United States ... Sadly. But at least something new is introduced, and that pleases.

      Perhaps the need has come to order warships at foreign shipyards in order to quantitatively and qualitatively replenish the composition of the Navy. Both cheaper and faster.
  4. buywol
    buywol 15 August 2013 09: 00 New
    12
    Until then, where the defense complex will be in the hands of the LLC, OJSC will not be of any use. In Soviet times, for disrupting the defense of the order at least in the Gulag, and at the maximum they will brush their foreheads. There should not be such a cost, the construction of the ship, the timing of its delivery depends on some bureaucrats there. In Soviet times, ships went off the slipways every year, and not in one but in dozens. And the point now is not financial difficulties, but not the desire to see the state strong.
  5. Watchman
    Watchman 15 August 2013 09: 09 New
    0
    It would be nice to at least attribute 5-6 "Ashen" to the Pacific Fleet.
  6. Stiletto
    Stiletto 15 August 2013 09: 15 New
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    Quote: Watchman
    It would be nice to at least attribute 5-6 "Ashen" to the Pacific Fleet.


    For starters, it would be nice to build them.
  7. user
    user 15 August 2013 09: 26 New
    +6
    The only alternative to the rapid construction of new ships, the modernization of coastal defense and the airfield network. That will allow in extreme cases to protect the coastal strip and ports
  8. Beck
    Beck 15 August 2013 09: 27 New
    +4
    And why did propaganda, especially Soviet, blow all these years? And Uroshniki are now echoing her.

    I always thought that the Soviet, and then the Russian fleet, on an equal footing with the American, excluding aircraft carriers. But in real life there is nowhere worse. Taiwan and Malaysia are ahead. Yeah, everything is much worse than simple sorrows.
  9. nepopadun
    nepopadun 15 August 2013 09: 36 New
    -2
    Despite the weak fleet, we will still fight back the enemy
    1. Beck
      Beck 15 August 2013 09: 44 New
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      Quote: nepopadun
      Despite the weak fleet, we will still fight back the enemy


      One more thing. There will be a rebuff, at least some. But at what cost? In military aviation, the situation is approximately the same as with the fleet in the Pacific Ocean. But what if the situation is the same for strategic missiles? We must work, not declare - We will fight back. First question - How do we fight back? We will not throw hats.
    2. True
      True 15 August 2013 21: 25 New
      +2
      Is there enough hat for sure?
  10. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 15 August 2013 09: 49 New
    +3
    It is bad that in the Far East, apparently, ships are practically not being built at all.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 17 August 2013 16: 39 New
      0
      We are building two corvettes for Pacific Fleet at our plant. So slow
  11. Mairos
    Mairos 15 August 2013 10: 07 New
    +1
    If we do not merge the country, then perhaps in 20-30 years we will be able to catch up with China. Although .. it’s easier for them, all the ships are in the same ocean, and we need to pull out the fleets on all sides of the world. And the current state of the Navy is deplorable.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 18 August 2013 11: 17 New
      +1
      China by then the US will overtake
  12. Nick_1972
    Nick_1972 15 August 2013 10: 16 New
    +2
    For commentators who believe that we will fight back the enemy on the shore, a small selection of photo essays in the topic for reflection: http://primamedia.ru/subject/134/poteryannoe-primore/
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 15 August 2013 11: 58 New
      0
      Nick_1972 RU Today, 10:16
      For commentators who believe that we will fight back the enemy on the shore, a small selection of photo essays in the topic for reflection: http://primamedia.ru/subject/134/poteryannoe-primore/


      Using this link you can contact the RIA PrimaMedia agency to talk about abandoned objects left after the collapse of the Union.
      I wonder who gives money for this ..

      I went to the RIA PrimaMedia website, that's what they broadcast to their fellow countrymen:

      -Farmers of Primorye want to "slaughter cattle", fearing that the cows will face starvation

      -The director of a driving school in Primorye paid 450 thousand rubles for a driver’s license

      -The Austrians called the M60 highway "Vladivostok-Khabarovsk" the most terrible road in Russia

      -Children were fed unverified food from broken dishes in the kindergarten of Primorye

      -A bus driver in Vladivostok threw a passenger with a broken leg on the street

      -Anastasia Volochkova flew to her lover in Vladivostok and arranged a photo shoot

      And there is such a trash in bulk, I'm not joking, come in - look. They will not publish good news, only collect information on another black story.
      Residents of Primorye, do you need it ??
      1. Nick_1972
        Nick_1972 15 August 2013 12: 57 New
        10
        A scroll below is not fate? There are interesting photo reports from former military installations: Sukhodol airfield, school of signalmen from the Russian island, tank repair plant in Ussuriysk, etc. And about "collecting information on another black plot," as I understand it, it is better to live in ignorance and firmly believe that we will overcome any aggressor on the shore? Photography is a relatively objective tool, it shows mainly what it is. And the question is: do you need it? bewildered. Does it need us to drive past the barracks built under the tsar, which existed under the USSR for its intended purpose, and now are pulled apart into bricks? Past arodromes overgrown with grass, or used for drag racing? Or do we have to shout everywhere: everything is fine, everything is fine, and who will stick to us tear the English flag?
  13. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 15 August 2013 10: 22 New
    +4
    Yes, there are money for the largest and most expensive yachts in the world. There is no money to pay the fleet. In the morning the mood was ruined.
  14. Helgus
    Helgus 15 August 2013 10: 32 New
    0
    Ships are the most expensive pleasure, in money and time, and talking about the trained staff ..., as always ..- The shells are over! - Dance!
  15. Mhpv
    Mhpv 15 August 2013 10: 37 New
    +1
    For some reason, MCHPV ships always do not take into account, and there are SKR and MPK and transport workers there, because in the event of a conflict they will surely become completely subordinate to the fleet, although not as much as we would like, but the help is not bad.
  16. Arabist
    Arabist 15 August 2013 10: 39 New
    +1
    Khramchikhin again. am Although I do not argue, the Pacific Fleet should be strengthened, but I would not call a disaster even now. Yes, bad but not catastrophic.
  17. Georgic
    Georgic 15 August 2013 11: 39 New
    +3
    But does Moscow really care about anything other than how to remove Navalny from the election?
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 15 August 2013 18: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: George
      How to remove Navalny from the election?


      Do you seriously think that bulk is interesting to someone? Except, of course, office hamsters? Do not read the liberal press in the morning, dear.
      1. True
        True 15 August 2013 21: 30 New
        +1
        I will vote for him! This is like against everyone.
  18. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 15 August 2013 11: 41 New
    +6
    Pacific Fleet does not get this. All European fleets and flotilla on their TVD are among the three strongest, Pacific Fleet, in general, does not fall into the top five. But Moscow does not seem to care about this either.


    Nothing worries!

    20380 project 4 ships will go to Pacific Fleet, 2 of them are being built. 2 Mistral is not zilch; on it helicopters are able to fight submarines. And there will be many of these helicopters. Admiral Lazarev will undergo modernization, Sarych will modernize (1 are already doing), Antey will modernize, the new 855 project will also partially go to the Pacific Fleet.

    What did you want? 16 nuclear missile cruisers lay in the collapsed shipyards with retired patriots? They do what they can. And a lot, by the way, is being done.
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 15 August 2013 14: 20 New
      +6
      You instilled a note of optimism in me. Then I re-read about the pace of building ships from the Chinese ... no, only the development of nuclear weapons will help keep the Far East.
      1. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt 15 August 2013 14: 26 New
        +5
        Not without it. But honestly, I do not believe that the Chinese will attack us. Unlike other nations that have already done this (including the Americans and the British). Daman does not count.

        But nuclear weapons for Russia are not weapons but a means of defense, only they have saved us and have been saving us all these years. Thanks to the grandfathers, it was not for nothing that they "plowed into a totalitarian regime." It’s a pity that not everyone understands this.
        1. True
          True 15 August 2013 21: 35 New
          +1
          I do not believe that the Chinese will attack us. Unlike other nations that have already done this (including the Americans and the British). Daman does not count
    2. True
      True 15 August 2013 21: 33 New
      +1
      ... will come ... there will be many ... will be modernized ... probably partially ...
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  20. badabing
    badabing 15 August 2013 12: 49 New
    +1
    zhurchchikhin the main sophist of military journalism
    objectivity is zero, they do not pay for it
    I also want to immediately give a cottage and an apartment on the Cote d'Azur, but so far only enough for a cottage, we are working on
    so do not whine, but work with faith in yourself and in your country, then the result will be
    and not sit on w .. e and whine that everyone is stealing everything
  21. poccinin
    poccinin 15 August 2013 12: 51 New
    0
    it’s interesting someone reads a “military review” from the government. "State fools" of the ministries. Or we are discussing something with ourselves. So to say, "cook" in our own juice. Pacific Fleet must be raised unequivocally. Build in shipyards. Order ships in the core. They can build quickly and efficiently.
  22. dmit-xnumx
    dmit-xnumx 15 August 2013 12: 55 New
    +1
    Yesterday I stumbled upon the "Attack of the Dead"; when viewing (reading) threw a shiver! Those who do not know, have not seen, recommend (World War I, 1915, the city of Osovets, fortress).
  23. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 15 August 2013 14: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: Grishka100watt
    What did you want? 16 nuclear missile cruisers lay in the collapsed shipyards with retired patriots? They do what they can. And a lot, by the way, is being done.

    I also always remember them with gratitude. If they didn’t hang on their hands and didn’t interfere with their work. To upgrade the machine park and put in high-quality metal, they will set it up so that it’s nice to see.
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 15 August 2013 14: 21 New
      0
      God grant, God grant.
  24. Volkhov
    Volkhov 15 August 2013 15: 44 New
    -10
    Khramchikhin is a well-known alarmist from the anti-Chinese party, in fact, everything is different ...
    The Pacific Fleet really consists mainly of wrecked ships, and after the detachment leaves for the Red Sea, it will have 1 steam-turbine destroyer and 2 old SSBNs, the rest boats, diesel-electric submarines and auxiliary ones (3 nuclear submarines were lost in the Indian Ocean, Varyag under the guise of “Moscow” in Nicaragua from heading to the Atlantic, 2 BDK and BOD in Middle-earth, the remaining BOD will be included in the outgoing detachment) but the USA and China are our partners and will protect our borders as ours ...
    The Marine Corps and DSB will be included in Shamanov’s mobile forces and, in their best part, will go to the Middle East from the Far, but they removed 10 Hyacinths from conservation and strengthened their troops.
    The situation reminds me of May 40th in France, when the command weakened the troops in the Ardennes so that the Germans broke through, and then they could be cut off with blows from the flanks ... the Germans managed to break through, but the French did not cut it off - they learned German in 5 years. So here, Primorye is the bait for the DPRK, and the Chinese infantry and US Navy are flanking forces ... if the focus succeeds, the DPRK will become democratic, if not, Primorye will be socialist. In any case, the inhabitants of Primorye will learn phrases in 3 languages, learn about the particular tactics and culture of everyday life in different countries, and increase mobility and understanding of the world order.
    1. NOMADE
      NOMADE 15 August 2013 16: 11 New
      +4
      ha ha, what did you use ... or did you smoke? I don’t learn 3 languages!
      and on the topic, once again, really sucks ((
      strengthening the Pacific Fleet is necessary, so that the Andreevsky flag would begin to be respected as the Soviet one in the 70s and 80s!
      PS if you quote, then sorry, but really not clear ..
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 15 August 2013 16: 20 New
        -6
        It’s easier for you with the Polish flag - send the Polish fleet to strengthen the Pacific Fleet and all things ...
        It is more difficult for Primorye - the Korean offensive, the American bombing and the Chinese "liberation" will bring many new impressions.
      2. Arabist
        Arabist 15 August 2013 21: 25 New
        +1
        He used substances unknown to science. Even other worlds saw the North Koreans along with the Americans. Iran with the gulfs not yet together? If not, then this is fantastic.
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 16 August 2013 01: 05 New
          -1
          You read the Russian text carefully and do not distort the theses - the DPRK is not with the Americans.
          1. Arabist
            Arabist 16 August 2013 12: 03 New
            +1
            You write in Russian. And why would the Koreans attack us with an army of the 50s model? American bombing how to start? Write, we all laugh at least.
            1. Volkhov
              Volkhov 16 August 2013 13: 13 New
              -3
              The DPRK army of the sample of the 50s (Stalinist) and the technology is stronger than our modern one: new tanks do not hit the front of the Russian anti-tank missile system, guns shoot twice as far, underground airfields, tunnels ... and the number is larger than the Russian one and there it is.
              1. Arabist
                Arabist 16 August 2013 13: 21 New
                +2
                Yes you. Are you probably a lieutenant colonel of the DPRK army? Have you tested all the equipment yourself? The number is slightly larger than ours and we have a reserve. But the DPRK has no one to mobilize anymore, everything has been in the army for ten years, the mobilization potential has been consumed.
              2. Arabist
                Arabist 16 August 2013 14: 18 New
                0
                Argument your point of view. And then just a minus.
                1. Volkhov
                  Volkhov 17 August 2013 15: 10 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Arabist
                  Argument your point of view

                  Well, if you want ...
                  The population of the DPRK is 24 million, the Russian Federation is about 60 (citizens), but the structure of the population of the DPRK is younger,% of the elderly are less and the draft age is about 14 million to 30, but they have women, we do not, that is, taking into account gender and the ratio of 14 we have 12, but these 12 include 1,5 prisoners, 3 ... 5 Caucasians, 1 ... 2 emigrants, that is, about 5 million remain, but they cannot be called up at once, because in the Russian Federation, crime is needed and millions of policemen, 2 million officials, many will be blamed for the cordon, etc., in addition, people with Soviet thinking were driven out of the army and called back politically risky.
                  At the same time, the Russian Federation is conducting a jihad in Syria, and the offensive by the DPRK is possible after an attack on Iran, which will require the entire army.
                  Thus, the DPRK has resources for 5 million army and 5 million rear, and the Russian Federation in Primorye can only rely on separate units and the Chinese army with the American fleet as allies.
                  1. Arabist
                    Arabist 17 August 2013 15: 25 New
                    +2
                    The population of Russia is 143 million. Russia's reserve is up to 30 million, in DPRK-0. Do you even know what jihad is? And who will strike Iran? Russia? The leaders of the DPRK (no, dear Liberanon, the hypothesis that they are all crazy maniacs, are statistically unreliable) perfectly understand the backwardness of the country militarily. The main KPA bombers are Chinese copies of the IL-28 (1948). A nuclear projectile for a gun according to the manufacturing technique is very, very different from a regular atomic bomb and the Koreans most likely do not have them, as well as are light enough to carry them Koreans Chinese copies of the MiG-21 (1959), aerial bombs. Now estimate what chances the DPRK has to win.
                    1. Volkhov
                      Volkhov 17 August 2013 15: 51 New
                      -3
                      34 million were called up to the Great Patriotic War, and at the same time they raked everyone - the Russian Federation is somewhat different from the USSR ... are you practically ready (even with Arabic knowledge) to lead a Dagestan or Chechen company to Pyongyang?
                      143 million - virtuality, this year 800 thousand graduates of schools of both sexes and all citizenships, consider the size of the population yourself and note that you can’t call Tajiks from construction sites and Armenians with Georgians from the markets, even though they have apartments with shops.
                      1. Arabist
                        Arabist 17 August 2013 15: 58 New
                        +2
                        81% of the population of Russia is Russian. Dagestanis and Chechens do not have Arabic. Can you still say that the Iranians have Arabic ?. Do you calculate the population by school graduates? And why the DPRK will attack us?
                      2. Volkhov
                        Volkhov 17 August 2013 16: 13 New
                        -3
                        81% - do not tell, look at people on the streets with the exception of senior citizens.
                        Arabic - for reading the Quran, it is fashionable now.
                        The population of graduates is most real. According to the registry office 2000 - 89 million, but not all deaths and departures are taken into account.
                        DPRK will attack as an ally of Iran, by order of the Reich, in order to remove the burden from Iran and Syria.
                      3. Arabist
                        Arabist 17 August 2013 16: 26 New
                        +2
                        I live in the Krasnodar Territory and Russians (young and other ages) are much more than all the rest. Arabic fashionable now? Yes, Caucasians hardly read and write Russian, but you speak Arabic. Give a link to the registry office. Explain your last sentence to me.
                2. Volkhov
                  Volkhov 17 August 2013 16: 23 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Arabist
                  ) Nuclear projectile for a gun

                  Well, in Syria, at least 5 tactical charges were used from May to August, and this didn’t help much, it angered soon.
                  1. Arabist
                    Arabist 17 August 2013 16: 30 New
                    0
                    Provide evidence, and the shells I had in mind the DPRK.
                  2. Volkhov
                    Volkhov 17 August 2013 16: 46 New
                    0
                    North Korea is part of the empire, and that one is full of nuclear weapons.
                    A characteristic burn of paint by light through water was seismic and disconnection of EMR cables.
                    The crew is semi-Russian, a vessel with Russian owners, carried weapons to Jordan.
                  3. Arabist
                    Arabist 17 August 2013 16: 56 New
                    +1
                    Indicate the owner, crew members, the empire of which the DPRK is included. And check suddenly you got a turtle in the morning.
                  4. Volkhov
                    Volkhov 17 August 2013 17: 16 New
                    -2
                    So you got stuck - the arguments are replaced by insults.
                    You’re just new to the site, senior political officers are afraid of discussions, it’s strange that you weren’t warned - probably the day off ...
                  5. Arabist
                    Arabist 17 August 2013 17: 20 New
                    0
                    Where have I replaced arguments with insults? Afraid of discussions? Nothing to say? Your arguments from the fiction genre. Continue the discussion, I do not mind.
                  6. Arabist
                    Arabist 17 August 2013 23: 10 New
                    0
                    I see you decided to stop the discussion. Sorry. I will wait for the opportunity to clash with you again. Good luck.
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 18 August 2013 11: 25 New
    0
    And that the DPRK in Primorye forgot.
  • NOMADE
    NOMADE 15 August 2013 16: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Volkhov
    It’s easier for you with the Polish flag - send the Polish fleet to strengthen the Pacific Fleet and all things ...
    It is more difficult for Primorye - the Korean offensive, the American bombing and the Chinese "liberation" will bring many new impressions.


    not funny .. I'm not from the URA patriots .. but such a disregard and prejudice towards the inhabitants of the Far East is humiliating ... With this approach, teach yourself 3 languages, I think it will come in handy.
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 15 August 2013 17: 20 New
      -2
      It is written about the fact that there is nothing to go into adventures in a foreign Middle East when there are problems with his Far. Have I really dispersed Pacific Fleet ships around the world? Who handed over fortified areas to scrap metal? Who gave the mob reserves to the terrorists?
  • Selevc
    Selevc 15 August 2013 16: 41 New
    -3
    The question may be - Is Russia in the Pacific Ocean not enough 5th place? After all, these are very, very remote regions of the country ... So far, such a fleet will be enough for defense, but you’re not going to attack anyone there !!! First of all, Russia is a huge continent of land - and if a serious enemy invasion occurs, the question of victory will be decided on land and not at sea ...

    The fact that the Far Eastern regions are so removed has its plus also - neither Japan nor China can immediately harm the economically developed regions of Russia - unless of course we take into account that nuclear weapons will not be used !!! Well, in case of war they will seize some sparsely populated territories ... And then what? And then - time will play on Russia and the question of victory or defeat will depend on the will of those who sit in the Kremlin !!!

  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 15 August 2013 18: 31 New
    0
    sad .... but the fact ..... and the prospects for improvement are foggy .....
    with submarines
  • dimjet
    dimjet 15 August 2013 19: 57 New
    0
    Need to stop hysteria.
    First, in 2015, after modernization, the Pacific Fleet will enter cruiser "Marshal Ustinov" Project 1164.
    Secondly, in 2018, after modernization, the Pacific Fleet will enter cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" Project 1144.
    Thirdly, by 2020, four corvettes, etc. 4, will go into operation, and the author of the article should not have said so about them - this is clearly a misunderstanding and emotions. Corvettes are the best in their class.
    Fourth, there will also be frigates of the project 22350.
    Fifth, destroyers pr.956 are being modernized.
    Sixth, they modernize BOD pr. 1155 (they are very balanced in terms of displacement / armament).
    Seventh, this year (in fact next year), the submarine strategic fleet will begin to be updated: pr 955 Borey SSBN Alexander Nevsky will join the fleet.
    And further, multipurpose submarines, pr. 855, modernized pr. 971 and pr. 949A. (with Onyx and Caliber).
    Everything will be fine! Gone are the sad times, wipe the snot. And love the HOMELAND!
    1. svp67
      svp67 15 August 2013 20: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: dimjet
      Firstly, in 2015, after modernization, the Pacific Fleet will include the cruiser Marshal Ustinov, 1164 Ave.
      Secondly, in 2018, after modernization, the Pacific Fleet will include the cruiser Admiral Nakhimov, 1144 Ave.
      Third, up to 2020

      It remains only to find out, and how by this time to replenish the fleet of other countries?
      1. dimjet
        dimjet 15 August 2013 21: 46 New
        -1
        China is building rapidly, but in terms of quality - we'll see. Japan is also impressive. But they have competition among themselves. Although Japan is our "sparing partner." The Americans are ahead quantitatively and qualitatively so far, but the equipment is not new, the resource is limited. Of the new ones, the Virginia boats are probably not impressive. But we need to gradually and correctly develop for about 20 years. I think that we will catch up with quality.
        1. True
          True 15 August 2013 21: 57 New
          +3
          With us, quality is also not going smoothly.
        2. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 18 August 2013 11: 31 New
          0
          The Japanese have no offensive weapons
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    2. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 15 August 2013 21: 50 New
      +1
      Nightingales do not feed fables!
  • yurik
    yurik 15 August 2013 20: 49 New
    0
    Quote: dimjet
    Need to stop hysteria.
    First, in 2015, after modernization, the Pacific Fleet will enter cruiser "Marshal Ustinov" Project 1164.
    Secondly, in 2018, after modernization, the Pacific Fleet will enter cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" Project 1144.
    Thirdly, by 2020, four corvettes, etc. 4, will go into operation, and the author of the article should not have said so about them - this is clearly a misunderstanding and emotions. Corvettes are the best in their class.
    Fourth, there will also be frigates of the project 22350.
    Fifth, destroyers pr.956 are being modernized.
    Sixth, they modernize BOD pr. 1155 (they are very balanced in terms of displacement / armament).
    Seventh, this year (in fact next year), the submarine strategic fleet will begin to be updated: pr 955 Borey SSBN Alexander Nevsky will join the fleet.
    And further, multipurpose submarines, pr. 855, modernized pr. 971 and pr. 949A. (with Onyx and Caliber).
    Everything will be fine! Gone are the sad times, wipe the snot. And love the HOMELAND!

    Khramchikhin knows others too, only Putin doesn’t know that Pacific Fleet is a rusty caravan of pelvis, he bucks up all the money for the Olympics, and what remains for “modernization” is tinted, bulbs will be replaced, the budget will be cut, and maybe ten years later this is a morally obsolete pile of iron called Admiral Nakhimov and so on. crawl out to sea, then to be back for overhaul again.
    1. dimjet
      dimjet 15 August 2013 21: 35 New
      -2
      about "morally obsolete pile of iron called Admiral Nakhimov and so on. crawl out to sea, then to be back for overhaul again"- this is an empty jingle!
      As for the "Olympics ..." - they are still building, doing, creating. Maybe there are problems, but we are gradually growing. Yet money makes money. T. n. "cut" the same somewhere invested, etc. Gradually, people's consciousness is changing. Just 10 years, and the change on the face.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 15 August 2013 23: 36 New
    +1
    Alas and ah! But what could happen if in the 90s the aircraft-carrying cruisers Novorossiysk and Minsk were thoughtlessly sent to the furnace, instead of being kept at least in reserve for a while. Before the appearance of smart goals in the government and money for the fleet. In the meantime, the Pacific Fleet will have to create visibility with the remnants of the former floating crew!
  • Blad_21617
    Blad_21617 16 August 2013 06: 51 New
    0
    a shame!!! what do they think what the situation hopes like in 1905 ...
    1. True
      True 16 August 2013 13: 22 New
      +2
      I would say worse than in the 41st.