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Analysis of the new proposal of Russia to Iran regarding the supply of C-300 ("Iras", Iran)

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Analysis of the new proposal of Russia to Iran regarding the supply of C-300 ("Iras", Iran)

Recently, information appeared about a new Russian proposal for selling Iran the C-300 anti-aircraft complex. According to the information agency RIA-NewsMoscow suggested that Tehran refuse to consider its complaint in the International Court of Justice and in return receive a similar complex from the C-300 family, namely C-300ВМ, known as Antey-2500, or according to NATO classification SA-23 Gladiator.


In 2007, Iran ordered six units of the export version of the C-300PMU-1 (SA-20 Gargoyle, according to NATO classification) mobile multi-channel anti-aircraft missile system from Russia for the sum of 900 million dollars from Russia. This kind of complex is an improved modification of the C-300P, passing according to the NATO classification as Sa-10 Grumble. Presumably, negotiations on the subject of concluding a contract were conducted for several years and were not given publicity. In 2007, Iran fully paid Russia the entire agreed amount. Nevertheless, the Russian side increasingly delayed the delivery of the complex, until finally, after the adoption in the UN Security Council of resolution number 1929, which banned the sale weapons Iran, President Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree imposing an embargo on deliveries of Russian weapons to this country and, in particular, the C-300 missile system. Following this, Iran decided to appeal against such actions and said that Russia should either deliver the ordered complex, or return the amount paid for it, and also cover the penny for delay in delivery, penalty for cancellation of the contract and damage caused to the Iranian side. According to available information, Iran has demanded compensation from Russia totaling four billion dollars. Apparently, Moscow took seriously the claims of Tehran and entered into negotiations with him to persuade them to abandon their complaints and demands for compensation.

The first step for Russia was an indication of the political consequences of this conflict and the possibility of ending its support in opposing the Islamic Republic with the United States. However, this strategy did not justify itself, because so far Russia has in fact not given Iran any political or diplomatic support. This country does use its veto in the UN Security Council, not allowing the adoption of a resolution against Syria, but it refrains from such measures against Iran when it comes to imposing new sanctions. The Iranian authorities are well aware that Russia has neither the will, nor the ability, nor the goal to resist the hostile actions of the West against the Islamic Republic.


Long-range anti-aircraft missile systems C-300В and С-300ВМ (left)


The second step for Russia was the proposal to Iran to purchase alternative defense complexes from it. This country offered for sale an even greater number of Th-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems. This system, designed to launch medium-range or short-range missiles, is much less effective than the C-300, and is not capable of hitting targets at high altitude. It can only be used to defeat cruise missiles and aircraft at medium range. In addition, Iran has already received a sufficient number of similar systems in the 2006 year. Obviously, Russia also offered for sale a more improved version of this complex, that is, Tor-М2, however, it didn’t really interest the Iranian side either, because of its power and this model is inferior to C-300.

The final proposal of Russia was the delivery of Iran C-300ВМ. The United States immediately protested, but they did it in a softer form, stressing that if the deal was concluded, the Russian government itself would be responsible for a possible violation of Resolution No. 1929. Probably, this position of the United States means their indirect consent to the fact that Iran took its lawsuit against Russia and did not require it to return the amount paid and other compensation. However, Iran itself was cool to accept such a proposal. Ambassador of the Islamic Republic in Russia, Mahmoud Reza Sajjad, expressed his disagreement with replacing C-300PMU-1 with C-300ВМ. Analysis of the technical characteristics of these two modifications of the C-300 complex makes it possible to understand why Russia and the United States agreed to supply C-300ВМ to Iran and why he is protesting against this replacement.

Differences between C-300PMU-1 and C-300BM

In the C-300 family of anti-aircraft missile systems, these two modifications are upgraded versions of the two original complexes. They were used as early as 1978 under the name C-300PT and were classified as SA-10 Grumble by NATO classification. Following the revolutionary development of electronic weapons technology and the emergence of anti-radar missiles in the United States, Israel and several other Western countries, such as France and the United Kingdom, Russia had to seriously modify its own air defense systems. The ineffectiveness of the Libyan anti-aircraft systems in the US confrontation in 1980, the lightning destruction of the Syrian air defense in the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon during the First Lebanese War in 1982 and, most importantly, neutralizing Iraq’s air defense systems in 1991, meant one thing for Russians: only the beginning of the technical revolution may give a chance for the preservation of such complexes in future military conflicts. New for Russian air defense systems has been an increase in missile range, greater mobility and movement of ground complexes, maximum reduction in installation time, target detection and salvo, the use of missiles with a homing system, increased resistance to attacks of computer viruses, as well as the use of invisible radars and an increase in the power of existing .

According to some military experts, the C-300PMU-1 anti-aircraft missile system, known by the NATO classification as the SA-20 Gargoyle, can simultaneously track 100 objects from different directions and fire at 12 targets simultaneously. Its deployment time is only five minutes, which is a significant advantage over the American Patriot complex, which takes hours to install. According to some sources, the radar of the Russian air defense missile system is able to detect objects the size of a tennis ball at a height of one meter to 30 kilometers above ground level. The sources are silent about the exact range of tracking radars (apparently for conspiracy purposes), but the missiles of the complex of this modification are capable of striking objects at a distance of 195 kilometers. This means that their zone of operation, given the incredible speed of 1700 meters per second (five times greater than the speed of sound!), Is 120 kilometers more than that of ultra-high-speed fighter aircraft. For this reason, it will be very difficult to disable this complex with anti-radar missiles. Russia has developed this C-300 modification to repel bomber attacks, although it can also be effectively used against UAVs and cruise missiles.


Top-M1 anti-aircraft missile system


To reflect the impact of cruise and ballistic missiles, Russia first developed a model of the same series called “Antey-300”, passing according to NATO classification as the SA-12 Giant. Antey-2500 (SA-23 Gladiator) became its more advanced version. This complex, designed to reflect the attacks of cruise and ballistic missiles, although it can be used against fighters and bombers, was not designed for these purposes. Another question concerns the range of missiles fired at these complexes. “Antey-300” and “Antey-2500” are capable of launching missiles at a distance of 100 and 200, respectively, kilometers. By the way, it was the latest version of the complex that was recently sold to Venezuela. Russia itself has in its arsenal an even more advanced analogue with a range of 300 kilometers. In a word, “Antey-2500” is much inferior in power and other parameters to C-XNUMPPMU-300 and in no way can serve as its replacement.

Iran’s needs and the future of the C-300 supply agreement

Taking into account Iran’s defense needs, it can be concluded that by offering the C-300BM missile system (aka Antey-2500) for sale, Russia is trying to seriously deceive Iran. The Russian government is being forced to do this with the possible consequences of Iran’s claim to the International Court of Justice. The United States understands perfectly well that C-300ВМ is much less dangerous than C-300PMU-1, and therefore reluctantly would agree with its delivery to Iran. The most serious threat to Iran is an air attack from heavy fighters and bombers. To reflect this danger (be it from the United States or Israel), C-300PMU-1 is best suited. As for the threat from cruise missiles, given their small warhead (from 700 to 1000 kilograms), for Iran’s underground nuclear facilities they pose much less danger. In addition, according to some military sources, using a large number of systems that interfere with the operation of satellites, Iran could disrupt the control systems of these missiles. Airplanes such as the F-22, F-15 and F-16, as well as the B-1, B-2 and B-52 bombers pose the greatest danger to Iran. The C-300PMU-1 complex, of course, is not without flaw. According to some military experts, stealth planes, for example, the F-22, F-35 and B-2 can fly unnoticed through the radar network of the most advanced modifications of the C-300. However, this complex is extremely effective against airplanes, which are fixed by radars. This is especially true of Israel, which currently does not have stealth planes and is very concerned about the possibility of supplying Iran with a powerful missile system. If fighters and bombers, invisible by radars, such as the F-22, fly with an external suspension, which will be placed weapons or fuel, they will immediately be noticed and attacked. Iran’s powerful C-300PMU-1 with a wide radar tracking zone and long-range missiles will also make aircraft tankers extremely dangerous flying near its airspace. Powerful ammunition designed to attack Iran’s underground nuclear facilities can only be delivered by B-2 bombers. In the event that B-2 alone will fly Iran to bomb and will still be seen by the radars of the complex, Iranian fighters will be raised into the air and thus the enemy will fall into the trap. It is for this reason that obtaining the C-300PMU-1 complex is a strategic task for Iran, and the prevention of this is very significant for the United States and Israel.
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  1. S-200
    S-200 15 August 2013 18: 41 New
    +4
    I think the Iranians will not "say goodbye" ... drinks , and withdraw their claim!
    There were no Israeli raids and other striped “dishonesty,” and the Antei-2500 was an excellent replacement ... for the failed version of the S-300!
    PS Well, darn the Kremlin - STANDED and ... the Yankees - SOZED!
    1. S-200
      S-200 15 August 2013 19: 01 New
      +3
      In fact, all these "political double-handed" miscalculated IN ADVANCE ! .. with possible (previously agreed between Russia - Iran "sanctions" and concessions ...) wink
      The Minister of Foreign Affairs, as Lavrov was, so he remained-the MINISTER! wink under Putin
      PS Or we do not know WHO was true ruler Russia under the "presidency" of Medvedev?!? bully
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 15 August 2013 19: 18 New
        10
        There is no need to listen to Israel and the states, you need to take and with a strong-willed decision to deliver s-300 to Syria and Iran. Did Israel consult with us before bombing Syria? Did the states consult a lot before delivering weapons to Syria and supplying Israel with nuclear weapons? So why should we coordinate our actions with them?
        1. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 15 August 2013 19: 29 New
          +5
          Because who makes decisions "their" people! Where the loot of all this pack is the answer! As long as the Jewish-Zionist lobby is in power, there will be no order in RUSSIA !!!!!
      2. S-200
        S-200 15 August 2013 19: 33 New
        0
        By the way, my colleagues think that if the Israeli Shmonya Peretz, this time he will not persuade GDP do not supply S-300 to Syria, then ... next time, they will send to Putin ---- Moses lol
        yes, yes ... that MOST!
        wassat
        and what can they do? ... request
    2. saha6052
      saha6052 15 August 2013 19: 13 New
      -8
      The main amers are our brothers now, and they have any Honduras brothers, now Pu with PMU.
  2. Denis
    Denis 15 August 2013 18: 41 New
    +7
    We agreed, it is necessary to comply, much less like the allies ...
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 15 August 2013 18: 44 New
      +3
      The East is a delicate matter ... today the Allies, and that tomorrow there will be one God knows
      1. Denis
        Denis 15 August 2013 18: 52 New
        +8
        Quote: il grand casino
        The East is a delicate matter ... today the Allies, and that tomorrow there will be one God knows

        Then you must first THINK before committing. Or pay claims .., since the matter is delicate.
        1. il grand casino
          il grand casino 15 August 2013 19: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: Denis
          Quote: il grand casino
          The East is a delicate matter ... today the Allies, and that tomorrow there will be one God knows

          Then you must first THINK before committing. Or pay claims .., since the matter is delicate.


          It is necessary ... but when and who was engaged in such stupid things as "thinking" if there is an opportunity to earn ... And if without jokes. Who knows what they thought and decided when they took the obligation ...
    2. Airman
      Airman 15 August 2013 18: 59 New
      +7
      Quote: Denis
      We agreed, it is necessary to comply, much less like the allies ...

      We agreed, so we must comply, and not wag our tail in front of the states. Medvedev proved to be a super-manager, received 900 million, and we will pay 4 billion! This is a defensive weapon, and no figs were conducted about the Americans.
      1. Airman
        Airman 15 August 2013 19: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Povshnik
        Quote: Denis
        We agreed, it is necessary to comply, much less like the allies ...

        We agreed, so we must comply, and not wag our tail in front of the states. Medvedev proved to be a super-manager, received 900 million, and we will pay 4 billion! This is a defensive weapon, and no figs were conducted about the Americans.

        If you bought 600 Mercedes, and for various reasons you would start offering Lada Priora and 2 viburnum instead, would you agree?
    3. Tot-enot
      Tot-enot 16 August 2013 00: 25 New
      0
      Not when in the history of Iran was not our ally, and it is unlikely to be, we are too different with this Islamic republic, another thing is that interests can coincide for a while .... Just we must not forget that this is for a while ..... ..
  3. tungus
    tungus 15 August 2013 18: 47 New
    14
    “The C-300PMU-1 complex, of course, is not without flaws. According to some military experts, invisible aircraft, such as the F-22, F-35 and B-2, can fly unnoticed through the radar network of the most advanced C-300 modifications. "

    Oh well...

    Battle Scenario: F-22 Raptor vs C300В.

    The subtle pride of the U.S. Air Force includes radar and ...

    0 seconds Turn on radar.

    + 5 seconds Nearest “Mail”: “A source of PShS, EIIM: *** watts, median: *** GHz, range: *** meters, azimuth: *** elevation angle: ***
    Signatures are being reviewed "

    + 20 seconds Chain Mail: Signature analysis results are ready. With a probability of 78%, the source is a product of the AN / APG77 brand manufactured by Tuches Instrument. An individual signature is not correlated - the RTP data archive is empty.

    + 25 sec. “Baikal”: The object is queued for “ringing”, to the divisions NN, MM and KK - to execute, “four sweeps”, in turn ...

    + 25,2 sec. Territorial 5Н36-е (in chorus) - "acknowledged"

    + 45 sec they are: "small-sized HELL NLC, track information is attached"

    + 50 sec. “Baikal” - to the army 9С457: “Neighbor, help me, there’s a complicated thing, she can bite me, and you’re kind of more comfortable, and stronger ...”

    + 50,2 seconds 9С457: "even"

    + 50,4 sec. “Baikal”: NN, MM and KK, we check the route every 15 sec., In turn.

    + 2 mines “Baikal” - to the military 9С457: “the specified track - here it is yours”

    + 2 min 0,2 sec, army 9С457: "even"

    + 2 min 0,4 sec 9С457 - "Ginger": "keep track, check and drive" on the aisle ""

    + 2 min 0,4 sec 9С457 - given to the "Newspapers", 9С32 and 9А83: "Getting ready"

    + 2 min 15 sec 9А83: "TPK 1 and 2 - ready"

    + 2 min 30 sec "Ginger": "the track is confirmed, 9С32 in sync, while" dry ", the range already seems to allow"

    + 2 min 31 sec 9С457 - 9С32: "drive, duty cycle - four, the specified coordinates - 9А83

    + 2 min 32 sec AN / ALR-944: "Warning! SA-12 Giant in standby mode detected!"

    + 2 min 35 sec 9А83: "coordinates are valid, TWS is ready"

    + 2 min 36 sec 9С457 - 9А83 th: "pair start, inertia, while without backlight".

    + 2 min 37 sec 9А83: "first go"

    + 2 min 38 sec 9А83: "the second one has gone"
  4. tungus
    tungus 15 August 2013 18: 48 New
    16
    + 2 min 50 sec 9М83 No.1: "the first step is everything"

    + 2 min 51 sec 9М83 No.2: "the first step is everything"

    + 3 min 9С457 - 9С32: "prepare the correction, duty cycle - one, five seconds, then - again by a quarter"

    + 3 min 01 sec AN / ALR-944: "Warning! SA-12 Giant burst scan detected! Launch probable!"

    + 3 min 05 sec 1Lt John Doe: "Kill'em all, baby! Two JDAMs, please ..."

    + 3 min 10 sec 9С32 - 9М83-m: "the second stage is ignition, accept the correction"

    + 3 min 12 sec, "Ginger" - 9С457: "Oh, b ... it shoots! And, apparently, - for us!"

    + 3 min 13 sec 9С457: "" Newspapers "- to work, 9С32 and 9А83 - endure, the rest - 500 meters back!"

    + 3 min 40 sec: 9С32-9А83: "There are 20 km left, they are yours, and I will eat ..."

    + 3 min 46 sec 9А83: "TWS - backlight!"

    + 3 min 47 sec AN / ALR-944: "Alarm! Alarm! Tracking detected! Chaff released!"

    + 3 min 48 sec 1Lt John Doe: "O holy shit!"

    + 3 min 49 sec 9М83 No.1: "BOOM-M!"

    + 3 min 50 sec 9М83 No.2: "BOOM-M!"

    + 3 min 51 sec 9А83: "Phew! It's done, but am I a fool alone to stand in the open field? I’ll eat ... quickly!"

    + 3 min 55 sec 5Н36 of division NN: "I fix a fixed motionless target with zero doppler in coordinates ***, ***, ***. The track of the tracked NLC is empty."

    + 4 min 30 sec JDAM No.1: "BOOM-M! Inflatable 36Д6 successfully hit!"

    + 4 min 30 sec JDAM No.2: "BOOM-M! The place where 9А83 was successfully hit half a minute ago!"
    1. Gromily4
      Gromily4 15 August 2013 18: 56 New
      +5
      Gorgeous timeline.
    2. S-200
      S-200 15 August 2013 19: 21 New
      +6
      hi Colleague, great humor for training BR!
      PS BUT, the truth (as always) somewhere - NEARBY! wink
      let only stsuki turn up! angry
      1. m262
        m262 15 August 2013 22: 16 New
        +4
        No, everything is beautiful like Tom Clancy's, but here are a couple of questions:
        1. Do inflatable radars come with the C300? Or is there also a camouflage regiment in the load?
        2. Will attack f22 go without an electronic warfare aircraft?
        3. Is there a "shell" in Iran?
        4. Does the training of calculations last several months, or is it all plug end play?
        At one time, the USSR supplied Egypt with the most advanced air defense equipment, as a result, the P19 radar ended up in Israel, and until the Soviet air defense division was there, there was little sense from the advanced equipment. hi
        1. tungus
          tungus 15 August 2013 22: 47 New
          +2
          There are no "most advanced C-300 modifications" in Iran.
          "Some military experts" didn’t mean Iran at all when they said that "invisible planes, for example, F-22, F-35 and B-2 can fly unnoticed through the radar network of the most advanced C-300 modifications."
  5. svp67
    svp67 15 August 2013 18: 52 New
    +2
    The proposed modification is worse than what was offered earlier ????? Your deeds are wonderful. I am not a specialist in this field, I wanted to know the opinions of specialists, is this the right way and how much is the author of the article?
  6. andrei332809
    andrei332809 15 August 2013 18: 54 New
    0
    who else should we? who will still teach us? it is clear that the bear did a damn thing after listening to “friends” from the west, but to put pressure on Russia ... the crush did not grow. and in court, so we have defendant lawyers in crocheting too. And for our country, a green lard (I think that no one seriously considers four), although the amount is not very large.
    1. Airman
      Airman 15 August 2013 19: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: andrei332809
      who else should we? who will still teach us? it is clear that the bear did a damn thing after listening to “friends” from the west, but to put pressure on Russia ... the crush did not grow. and in court, so we have defendant lawyers in crocheting too. And for our country, a green lard (I think that no one seriously considers four), although the amount is not very large.

      And what, are you so rich in Orenburg that billions of "green candy wrappers" mean nothing? And with this money, count 40 billion wooden apartments for military personnel and much more that can be built.
  7. My address
    My address 15 August 2013 18: 58 New
    +5
    Simply put here LADIES nakosyachil. And the GDP cannot betray on the ridicule the true, albeit useless. Thank God, DAM did not have time to promise Obama to completely disarm, or I don’t know what would have ended ...
    1. Kiliny
      Kiliny 15 August 2013 19: 18 New
      +5
      [quote = My address] Simply put, here DAM messed up. And GDP cannot betray the laughing stock of the faithful, albeit worthless. Thank God, DAM did not have time to promise Obama to completely disarm, or I don’t know how it would end ... [/ quot

      I completely agree! These are all the remaining problems of the reign of DAM. To him ...
  8. GEO
    GEO 15 August 2013 19: 00 New
    +2
    They were used back in 1978 under the name S-300PT
    =============================
    What is it? Pig in the year of manufacture? But, the further narration does not speak about it. Or is the author superficial in the subject?
    1. S-200
      S-200 15 August 2013 20: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: GEO
      They were used back in 1978 under the name S-300PT
      =============================
      What is it? Pig in the year of manufacture? But, the further narration does not speak about it. Or is the author superficial in the subject?

      Well no...C-300 The first modifications for the army and navy were developed and released in the USSR back in the 70s. 20th century ...
      SO FAST YEARS, how trembling leads to the enemy! good
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    1. Airman
      Airman 15 August 2013 19: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: rks5317
      The Persians need to buy an S-300 analogue from China (cheaper and more reliable). Do not withdraw the lawsuit from the International Arbitration and show the whole world the true face of the Moscow Jewish freemasons ... The Persians and the Russian army will also win. They will receive FAILURE weapons.!

      These "refusal" complexes have already been sold, but there are no new ones, here comes the catastrophe, they would have been installed long ago, but it would be in the way.
    2. experienced
      experienced 15 August 2013 20: 16 New
      +3
      Those who puckered "sprat" under the nickname rks5317 what they thought fool I understand when we, the Russians, are ourselves khai, and then the labus poured slops and everyone is grateful. The Jews themselves already hold these throats with their hands on their throats just letting them breathe a little, do not indulge all the labs in debt and loans at the most, and he gives us advice here.
      "-" him from me soldier So that the money of the Russian budget is not threatened, let the sprats according to the EU standard do, which, unlike the old manufacturing technologies, like chewing paper have become ...
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 15 August 2013 20: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: seasoned
        Those who puckered "sprat" under the nickname rks5317 what they thought


        Alexey! Visitor for nickname rks5317 but not speaking in your words ..... I received a warning for violating the rules of VO, paragraph b), which of the subparagraphs, I already wrote to him.
        1. experienced
          experienced 15 August 2013 20: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: Apollon
          ! Visitor for nickname rks5317 but not speaking in your words ..... received a warning for violating the rules of VO, paragraph b)

          Apollo, thanks hi It amazes me that a citizen (censorship) offers to "lower" the budget of Russia and at the same time accuses our rulers of the Masonic conspiracy, and puts advantages on his Russian patriotic site belay
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 15 August 2013 20: 32 New
            0
            Quote: seasoned
            It amazes me that a citizen (censorship) offers to “lower” the budget of Russia and at the same time accuses our rulers of masonic conspiracy, and on the Russian patriotic site


            the visitor you mentioned received a penalty from me specifically for violating the VO rules, the meaning of its violation is enclosed in the word that I highlighted in your comment but stated by the visitor in a different form.
    3. tungus
      tungus 15 August 2013 20: 30 New
      +5
      As for reliability, you got excited. No, China will supply the complexes, but in terms of the reliability of these complexes ...
      The Persians want our systems, not the Chinese. But one thing to remember. Iran is not our ally. This is just the enemy of our enemy. At the same time, it is one of the world Islamic centers. This is a theocratic state. And the ayatollah, that is, the leader of this state, as he called us the little devil. And although it was a long time ago, but this definition still applies to us.
      So, the supply of strategic weapons to Iran, and C-300 can be attributed to strategic systems, in my opinion, is at least a controversial decision. But to help the enemy of our enemy is necessary. Here is the country's leadership and scratches their forehead.

      Well, as for the Chinese MLRS and other things, then all the questions for the hunchback. It was he who signed the agreement with China on the withdrawal of troops from the border at 100 km. As a result, the entire fortified area in the Far East was poher. Because, he walked along the trans -IBE, and there was simply nowhere to take away the units stationed there. Taiga. There is no infrastructure. Because they just dismissed. Nowadays, they are doing something to strengthen the defense of the Far East, but without canceling the treaty, nothing can be fixed. And not the Chinese MLRS is to blame.
  10. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 15 August 2013 19: 13 New
    +5
    It is necessary to negotiate with Iran; reputation is more expensive. Iranians understand air defense is their weak spot. Dolganut "Tomahawks" will then fly to bomb. S-300 is desperately needed.
  11. Kiliny
    Kiliny 15 August 2013 19: 14 New
    +3
    The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Is not it?
  12. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 15 August 2013 19: 16 New
    +3
    F117 in Yugoslavia was shot down by a c75 development complex from the 50-60s, so the myth of the invisibility of f22 and f 35 is greatly exaggerated, it’s just a marketing move to attract investment in this project, because without the additional contracts for these cars, the USA will not be pulled this program alone. Well, Iran needed to sell the c300 in the version that was in the contract, such a deflection before the sanctions greatly undermines the authority of the Russian Federation in the person of its eastern partners.
    1. Airman
      Airman 15 August 2013 19: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      F117 in Yugoslavia was brought down by the c75 complex of the development of the 50-60s, so the myth of the invisibility of f22 and f35 is greatly exaggerated. Well, Iran needed to sell the c300 in the version that was in the contract, such a deflection before the sanctions greatly undermines the authority of the Russian Federation in the person of its eastern partners.

      I read the memoirs of a Yugoslav officer, it turns out shot down F-117 was S-125.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 15 August 2013 20: 21 New
        +4
        It was c75 that was shot down, but c125 was also in service with Yugoslavia, they were covering Belgrade just that this officer wrote a question, but the NATO acknowledged the loss of this aircraft from c75. It was after this that a huge scandal erupted between the countries participating in this project, which subsequently led to the rejection of this aircraft and the breaking of previously concluded agreements on it, the aircraft also did not go into mass production following the war, the situation is the same as at the moment a raptor, the Americans are afraid to use it, because if it gets knocked down, for example, by the Iranian 7, the Syrian air force will put an end to the sponsorship of the program by NATO allies.
        1. S-200
          S-200 16 August 2013 12: 20 New
          0
          "In bid Hitler NATO all are small-chilled! "(cf." Only old people go into battle! ")
          "Yugi" African American wassat "unsociable" shot down by the S-125th ...
          3rd Battery (Division?) Of the 250th Air Defense Brigade of the Armed Forces of Yugoslavia
          There is an optical guidance channel ... which is the Ker EPR (EOP) of an enemy aircraft
  13. mole
    mole 15 August 2013 19: 34 New
    +2
    In some moments, we are trying to maintain a face, a reputation where we should not make excuses, although we are completely right, and at this point, although I honestly admit, I do not fully understand what this is about (i.e. technical nuances in the performance characteristics of these complexes), but if signed an agreement, it must be fulfilled! Otherwise, the image will not be restored.
  14. vitek1233
    vitek1233 15 August 2013 19: 35 New
    +3
    took the money the contract needs to be fulfilled
  15. vadson
    vadson 15 August 2013 20: 09 New
    +1
    a lady and others like him can be shaken for a moshna, and you can get more than one such lawsuit, and a huge + volody for dispossession of a liberal. rating of russia as gagarin on p7 into space
  16. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 15 August 2013 20: 26 New
    +4
    Persians for the next 15-20 years are more likely to be our ally than enemy, we undertook to supply, then we need to supply, there are probably lozenges, as the USSR managed to put on all conventions and agreements that were to the detriment of the interests of the USSR.
  17. uhu189
    uhu189 15 August 2013 20: 54 New
    +4
    Generally strange somehow. I remember the article on VO when I first wrote about the proposal to Iran Anteev, and then it was stated in the article, and many forum users wrote that this is a more efficient system than the C300 PMU, that it is a military, more mobile, with a more advanced radar, etc. .d. I am not a specialist in this topic, but I just would like to understand, where is the truth? It is against the planes that Antey-2500 is really less effective, or is it all the author’s speculations, or has the situation changed again?
    In general, I allow myself to express an opinion - in my life I will not believe that negotiations of this kind can be carried out through the press and television, and not directly through the governments of the two countries or the ministry of defense. It seems there is again another multi-act performance ...
  18. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 15 August 2013 20: 54 New
    +1
    I’m thinking that the S-300, etc., has already become some sort of bargaining chip (powerful weapons, no words ..) they bought it and the whole sky over the country is protected .. and they are all afraid .. The S-300 works effectively if Russia doesn’t " partners "to be allies in the full sense of the word .. Then our air defense will actually cover the skies of those countries that have acquired this system !! ..
  19. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 15 August 2013 21: 29 New
    +1
    I’ll erase my kament, they already called ((
    You can’t hide chemistry.
  20. shpuntik
    shpuntik 15 August 2013 21: 43 New
    +4
    In 2007, Iran paid the entire agreed amount to Russia.

    If the money is received, then the goods must be delivered. Otherwise, double damage to ourselves. Throwing is bad. Anywhere in the galaxy.
  21. Bakht
    Bakht 15 August 2013 23: 07 New
    +6
    In the New Year holidays, Putin visited a boarding school for children with a developmental delay. After the matinee, round dance, and the distribution of gifts, V. V. said goodbye to the children and sits in his yellow Lada-Kalina. A boy runs up to him. The little body is small, slender, a large head dangles from side to side and asks:
    - Uncle Vova let me steer
    - Not! - Putin firmly answers.
    - Oh please! - the boy buzzes.
    - Well, went to x ... from here! Putin shouts.
    Sweet looks in surprise, the guard tensed ask:
    - V.V. what happened? Why are you doing this like that?
    Putin:
    - I already gave one to such a taxi ... four years ago!
  22. michajlo
    michajlo 15 August 2013 23: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: andrei332809
    who else should we? who will still teach us? it is clear that the bear did a damn thing after listening to “friends” from the west, but to put pressure on Russia ... the crush did not grow. and in court, so we have defendant lawyers in crocheting too. And for our country, a green lard (I think that no one seriously considers four), although the amount is not very large.

    Good evening, dear "andrei332809"! Regarding the entire cost of 4mlrd USD, opinions may be different.
    But how much will it cost LOSS of Russia's reputation fool as a serious and executive PARTNER, especially if the advance payments are 100% (2007) - Iran has not been returned?
    In addition to the ideological closeness or difference, minute gain, "wagging the tail" of the "DAM" manager in front of SovDep, our Russia simply in the matter of PERMISSION or PROHIBITION of arms sales in Washington was vulgarly "dropped". sad
    Remember when the USSR continued or curtailed the sale of weapons under the Signed Agreement and the money received ?, and even fulfilling the wish of the United States. good
  23. old man54
    old man54 16 August 2013 00: 35 New
    +3
    The Iranian authorities are well aware that Russia has neither the will, nor the ability, nor the goal to oppose the hostile actions of the West directed against the Islamic Republic.

    wow, realities !!! all this window dressing with "butting" with the West, with our souvenir sovereignty is for internal use, for especially non-thinking super-patriotic forum users! Technology trap, from the USA, at their electorate they have been practicing it for decades. But many, contrary to common sense, continue to believe the speeches and statements of the Kremlin, alas! "a lot of people are so used to it, got used to the Matrix, that they will fight for it!" (Morphius, quote from the movie of the same name).
    Quote: KilinY
    I completely agree! These are all the remaining problems of the reign of DAM. To him ...

    not so long ago the flock was at VO, about the 8.08 war., so Mishuko’s words were quoted there when he called the iPhone 09 to the Kremlin about the participation of our troops in the conflict, and the telephone simply picked up the GDP and told him that he talked about this topic only with him! For the ignorant, I remind you that in August 08 was already an iPhone prezik. And neither of which, the GDP was in charge of the topic, but the ladder was DAM! So there is no need to breed mold here, such as Vova was not "at work", did not know, did not know, and so on! I knew everything, I knew everything (I'm talking about C-300 and Iran), at the same time they decided, and you, naive ones, rely on him all! lol
  24. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 16 August 2013 10: 28 New
    +2
    Failure to supply the S-300 to Iran is pure wrecking on the part of GDP and DAM. This drops our reputation around the world, is fraught with a loss of $ 4 billion, and also unties the hands of our opponents in the Middle East. The UN Security Council resolution does not prohibit the supply of defensive weapons to Iran. In addition, an agreement on mutual military assistance from 1922 is in force between Iran and Russia, which has not yet been canceled. So missiles urgently need to be delivered to Iran.
    A bargain is a bargain. soldier
    1. m262
      m262 16 August 2013 21: 01 New
      0
      I absolutely agree, first you work for a reputation, and then it works for you. We will deceive the Persians, then we will never wash ourselves off, especially since there are some pluses from deliveries: defense industry money, stability in the region, annoy the United States, Israel and allies, do not forget about the division of the Caspian!