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Opposition in Syria expands use of anti-tank systems against government forces

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Opposition in Syria expands use of anti-tank systems against government forces

The experts of Janes Defense Weekly analyzed video clips posted on the Internet, which demonstrate the anti-tank missile systems used by the Syrian opposition militants.


In total, Janes has analyzed more than 60 web-based video footage using ATGM in Syria. This information does not claim absolute certainty, however, it allows to declare that opposition groups are provided with these weapons by various foreign suppliers at an increasing rate.

So, until the end of May of this year, the militants used the ATGM only occasionally. A further noticeable increase in the number of videos posted on the Internet using anti-tank systems may indicate that foreign assistance from foreign countries has increased significantly.

Summarized information on the use of anti-tank systems in Syria in June-July

Despite the fact that information about the place and type of weapons comes from militant groups that post videos on the Internet, and cannot be confirmed by independent experts, it allows you to create some general picture of the combat use of anti-tank systems in Syria.

In particular, it can be concluded that the ATNS 9М113 "Competition" (according to the NATO classification - AT-5 "Spandrel") is the most widely used model of weapons of this type.

Initially, the Konkurs anti-tank systems were used mainly by militant units subordinated to the Syrian Islamic National Liberation Front (SILF), a coalition of relatively moderate Salafi armed groups, some of which are allegedly supported by Qatar.

SILF groups are represented in the Supreme Military Council of the SMC (Supreme Military Council), which is the coordinating body that the US administration and other foreign opponents of official Damascus use as a channel to support the insurgent movement, seeking to unite the militant forces.

However, some SILF-controlled groups operate outside the influence of SMC and work closely with the factions of the more radical Syrian Islamic Front (SIF). One such group, Liwa al-Tawhid (Liwa al-Tawhid), also employs a significant number of Konkurs anti-tank systems.

At the same time, more moderate Islamist groups directly subordinate to the SMC and the command of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) have the Hongjian-8 (Hongjian-8, HJ-8) Chinese-made ATGM. For the first time this complex appeared on videos in June of the current year. It is assumed that the Hongzhan-8 ATGM is supplied by another foreign state (not the one supplied by the Competition ATGM).

According to Jaynes, the subordinate FSA and SIF groups now use the Kontrik ATGM on an ever-increasing scale. This may indicate that ATGMs are simultaneously supplied from several sources to groupings subordinate to different coalitions.

During June-July this year. supported by al-Qaeda, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) movement has posted videos demonstrating the use of the Kornet 9M133 Kornet (according to the NATO classification - AT-14 Spriggan). Supposedly, ISIL militants use the Kornet ATGM, which they were able to obtain after the seizure of government depots.

In early August of this year. the Jaish Muhajirin va Ansar group (Jaish Muhajireen wa Ansar), a subordinate of ISIL, posted a series of video clips with a record of the use of Konkurs anti-tank systems, which were probably obtained from a foreign supplier.

In addition to the above ATGM, on the videos, experts from Janes identified the Milan, Malyutka, Fagot and Metis complexes. Most of the videos using ATGMs were filmed in the northeastern provinces of Aleppo and Idlib, which convincingly indicates that the weapons were delivered across the border with Turkey.
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  1. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 14 August 2013 10: 52 New
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    Turkey will play out ... all those bandits whom Turkey helps as a result will turn these weapons against Turkey itself ...
    1. Alexandr0id
      Alexandr0id 14 August 2013 15: 15 New
      +3
      what for? do you think all these oppositionists and Islamists are brainless and fighting without a purpose? why should they turn their weapons against Turkey, there is Lebanon, there is Egypt, there is Iraq, where there are prerequisites for the struggle for power and the necessary support in the face of the local population (Sunnis in Lebanon and Iraq, Murssists in Egypt). at worst there is an eternal enemy - israel.
      1. yak69
        yak69 14 August 2013 16: 31 New
        +4
        But for some reason, it always happens that those who arm them later become the target for which this weapon "works." All these so-called militants, simply international gangsters, have one goal - to earn money and get a shot of adrenaline, without which they can no longer live.
        If you analyze the composition of this rabble, you can see that "jihad", "democracy", "struggle with the regime", etc., is only an excuse. In fact, these are bloodthirsty, unprincipled killers, it’s easier - scumbags. And they do not care where to kill, whom to kill, most importantly, for how much!
        So, sow the wind, reap the storm.
      2. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 14 August 2013 19: 48 New
        0
        ShturmKGB
        Turkey will play out ... all those bandits whom Turkey helps as a result will turn these weapons against Turkey itself ...


        The share of radical Islamists is likely to increase in Turkey, but this fact is not a problem for this state. Moreover, in this country they still periodically recall who controlled the entire Eastern and Southern Mediterranean.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 August 2013 17: 17 New
      +4
      ShturmKGB
      Turkey will play out ... all those bandits whom Turkey helps


      ATGMs come from Libya, through Lebanon, the Competition will in principle soon be 50 years old from the day of his birth, and under a license it was made by India, which doesn’t have Syria, Iran, which Syria does not have FIG and which GDR no longer exists. Moreover, India is doing Competition-M with a tandem warhead. Can throw Americans - "contests" from Iraqi arsenals. Which is most likely.
      1. alone
        alone 14 August 2013 22: 57 New
        0
        Iranian competitions go to Assad, but the fact that militants seize warehouses unscathed, it is possible that some of the competitions are of Iranian origin
  2. pa_nik
    pa_nik 14 August 2013 10: 57 New
    13
    "Opposition in Syria expands ATGM use against government forces"

    our weapons are full in Syria repeat Inexcusably, the Americans bought cartridges for small arms manufactured in Russia. Apparently, they plan to throw cannibals.
  3. Alexey M
    Alexey M 14 August 2013 11: 05 New
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    It’s bad, the Syrians can stay without reservation and they won’t give them a new one. If the borders with the Turks are not blocked, then Syria will be very tight.
  4. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 14 August 2013 11: 08 New
    +5
    Quote: Alexey M
    It’s bad, the Syrians can stay without reservation and they won’t give them a new one. If the borders with the Turks are not blocked, then Syria will be very tight.

    Well, the SAR army will have enough armor for a long time. And Chinese ATGMs go to Syria through Sudan. This is the main counterparty of China to BV.
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 14 August 2013 22: 08 New
      0
      According to official figures, three teams of three hundred cars at the beginning of the war. On average, the ATS loses up to 30 cars a month. It is easy to separate and understand that the situation is not encouraging.
      1. alone
        alone 14 August 2013 22: 58 New
        +2
        Well, if you calculate how you thought, it turns out there are no longer these teams
    2. Beck
      Beck 15 August 2013 07: 53 New
      -1
      Some garbage turns out. Big FIG.

      Russia and China are opposing the rebel movement in Syria at the UN podium, are opposed to any supply of opposition weapons, and the fighters opposing the Assad regime are using Russian and Chinese weapons. In particular, anti-tank systems. “Baby”, “Competition”, “Cornet”, “Metis”, “Bassoon” are all Russian. And also the Chinese "Hongjang-8." From the western only "Milan".

      Russian anti-tank systems could be taken from Assad’s warehouses, but not all. And the journalist in the article makes a resume - “Most of the ATGM videos were shot in the northeastern provinces of Aleppo and Idlib, which convincingly shows that weapons were delivered across the border with Turkey ".

      Questions. Who can supply a large number of Russian weapons across the border? Or did the Russian state traders supply weapons to some countries with no arms to ban their re-export to third countries? Is that racketeering or profit the most? Or is it a private arms dealer like Booth? And if Russian weapons come to Syrian rebels through third countries to which Russia used to sell weapons, then why is the Russian embassy’s order silent and not protesting these third countries? Is it that Russia and China are arming both sides? One in a straight line, the other about mediocre.

      And who would answer such questions.

      The terrible thing is that the West does not work with the ATGM. The West, at the moment, does not supply its weapons to Syria.
      1. The Indian Joe
        The Indian Joe 15 August 2013 10: 12 New
        0
        Ordinary re-export from the Arab League. For example, RPG 29 was delivered to Jordan, there was even opened a plant for the production of RPGs with a capacity of 60 thousand units per year. A lot of weapons were taken out of warehouses in Libya.
  5. makst83
    makst83 14 August 2013 11: 09 New
    +8
    It is urgent to increase the supply of arms to Syria! Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, ammunition. This stuff in the warehouses was heaps and it lies dead weight! Syria is the forefront of the fight against terrorism and by helping Syria we ensure the security of our borders!
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 14 August 2013 20: 39 New
      0
      Quote: makst83
      It is urgent to increase the supply of arms to Syria! Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, ammunition. This stuff in the warehouses was heaps and it lies dead weight!

      Here is how you imagine it? We will get in the way of manure here, but the supply of dynamic protection kits for tanks and active defense systems will probably reduce losses. The very same ATGM 9M113 "Competition" has several disadvantages
      The disadvantage of the complex is the possibility of hitting the target only if it is visually visible. The missile has a conventional (not tandem) cumulative warhead and cannot hit armored vehicles equipped with dynamic protection.
      1. makst83
        makst83 15 August 2013 15: 02 New
        0
        how good it is that you are not making the decision on the supply of arms to Syria!
    2. ale-x
      ale-x 14 August 2013 21: 01 New
      +1
      And that is true. Let only the payment be paid.
      1. alone
        alone 14 August 2013 22: 59 New
        +1
        but it will be a little tough. they’ll write off if that. the country's economy is collapsed
  6. bask
    bask 14 August 2013 11: 09 New
    +7
    Opposition in Syria expands use of anti-tank systems against government forces

    It was predictable, the US officially canceled the arms embargo.
    Now all the mongrel dogs will intensely arm the animals in Syria.
    Russia is required to urgently supply DZ and KAZ.
    Moreover, they opened the production of the most modern RPG-32 hashim (in the Russian army there are none).
    100% will be used against the Syrian T-72.

    And in March, the 500 ATGM of the Javelins, the SUSH, were put into Qatar, all 500 are already in Syria.
    It will be difficult for Syrian tankers.
    1. de bouillon
      de bouillon 14 August 2013 20: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: bask
      Opposition in Syria expands use of anti-tank systems against government forces

      It was predictable, the US officially canceled the arms embargo.
      Now all the mongrel dogs will intensely arm the animals in Syria.
      Russia is required to urgently supply DZ and KAZ.
      Moreover, they opened the production of the most modern RPG-32 hashim (in the Russian army there are none).
      100% will be used against the Syrian T-72.

      And in March, the 500 ATGM of the Javelins, the SUSH, were put into Qatar, all 500 are already in Syria.
      It will be difficult for Syrian tankers.


      Javelins?

      what? what are the Javilins for. Do you even know what it is. More precisely, how much money is this wunderwaffle worth ?! !! in the region in bulk, much cheaper and affordable ATGMs.

      for example, in recent months, militants managed to seize several depots of the Syrian army with anti-tank systems.

      for example here



      but the most common ATGM for militants is the Chinese ATGM HJ-8

      these missiles are in the arsenal of Sudan. The fact that weapons from the Sudan often fell into the hands of Somali and Yemeni militants has long been known. Now, as we see, through the "Muslim counterparts" the weapon has reached Syria. Deliveries go through Jordan and Turkey

      a lot of weapons by the way from Libya. There are simply huge reserves left.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 14 August 2013 21: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: de bouillon
        what are the Javilins for. Do you even know what it is. More precisely, how much money is this wunderwaffle worth ?!

        Much less than you imagine. There are clearly “Javelins” in the USW stores, whose shelf life is already expiring, since they started to be produced back in 1996, and the shelf life of such weapons usually does not exceed 10 years. So what's the difference, dispose of them in the United States or give the CCA? So and so the money for them has already been spent and will not be returned. Using Competitions and Cornets in urban conditions is not always possible, because urban development interferes. Therefore, in the city the best are ordinary antitank mines of primitive push action, especially in narrow alleys. But to see the SS and the Jihadis have no anti-tank mines, otherwise the Syrian tankers would not so freely ride along the streets ...
        1. alone
          alone 14 August 2013 23: 01 New
          0
          they don’t ride freely, tankers act at their own risk and fear. BTV Syria is the most prepared part of the Syrian army. There are professionals
  7. La hire
    La hire 14 August 2013 11: 17 New
    +4
    Hongjan 8? It seems that Mursi managed to pretty much rude Syria during his reign.
  8. Odysseus
    Odysseus 14 August 2013 11: 20 New
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    I looked at an approximate map of hostilities, the situation is grim ... crying
    The main problem is that two corridors were not blocked for the unhindered approach of new reinforcements to the militants. It is impossible to win the war without cutting off the enemy from the reserves.
    I don’t know why the Syrian army is storming the fortified areas in the cities, they are better aware of the place, but IMHO you need to agree with the Kurds to go to the borders and block the approach of new units to the enemy while driving militants into several large boilers.
    1. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 14 August 2013 15: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Odyssey
      I don’t know why the Syrian army is storming the fortified areas in the cities, they are better aware of the place, but IMHO you need to agree with the Kurds to go to the borders and block the approach of new units to the enemy while driving militants into several large boilers.

      The key word is communications. SAA is sufficiently weakened and has no resources for simultaneously blocking borders (by the way very long), protecting communications (troops must be supplied, and not only troops but also the population), protecting the territory (it is necessary to prevent the massacre of the Alawites), which is why the SAA is trying to impose bandits battles for territories already controlled by bandits in order to deprive them of maneuver, and use their advantage in heavy weapons. Homs, by the way, is the key to Aleppo, without taking Homs to fight for Aleppo and block the border with Turkey - it’s like sitting on a hedgehog with a bare boot - you’ll cut the hedgehog, only too many holes in the “crush” will remain.
    2. alone
      alone 14 August 2013 16: 13 New
      +1
      The condemned country continues to fight

      in this article, in the comments, there is a video where the Kurds take off the Syrian state flag and hang up their own. not everything is simple there. Assad would probably do it, but apparently he doesn’t trust them. It’s enough to say that when the hostilities began in the north, Assad immediately removed from the Kurdish It’s all the army there. I think there’s everything against each other. Recently there was information that the Wahhabis captured a group from the SSA and executed their commander.
  9. serioga
    serioga 14 August 2013 11: 20 New
    +5
    Syria needs to supply the latest weapons. and the rebels to supply such weapons so that when they try to use it, self-explosion occurs (so that the rebels are afraid to use cheap Russian weapons) let the mattresses spend their money and they will not sell their latest weapons (be afraid) (if you play according to the double standards of mattresses)
  10. Airman
    Airman 14 August 2013 11: 21 New
    +3
    As you can see, the lion's share of Russian or Soviet-made ATGMs used so that it would be impossible to blame Westerners for the supply of their weapons. And so Russia can be blamed for all sins.
  11. avt
    avt 14 August 2013 11: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: serioga
    Syria needs to supply the latest weapons

    Actually, you still have to learn to manage a new one and apply it competently, otherwise it’s all trophies.
    Quote: makst83
    It is urgent to increase the supply of arms to Syria! Tanks, bmp, armored personnel carriers, ammunition

    C what fright? request So, on the basis of one article in the press? So far, it seems that the applications of the Syrians are quite fulfilled. Why fuss about that?
  12. Colonelic
    Colonelic 14 August 2013 11: 34 New
    +7
    The war in Syria provides a unique opportunity to conduct comprehensive tests of various latest models of Russian weapons in combat conditions!
    It costs a lot…
    Why this has not yet been done is a mystery to me!
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 14 August 2013 15: 33 New
      +1
      It is likely that it will become trophies.
  13. Double major
    Double major 14 August 2013 11: 39 New
    +8
    The partisan movement in the territories occupied by the bandits could seriously help the SAA with sabotage in communications ... But I have not heard anything about such a movement ... Our partisans in the Second World War seriously spoiled the Fritz supplies to the Wehrmacht ...
  14. avt
    avt 14 August 2013 11: 40 New
    +3
    Quote: Colonelic
    a unique opportunity to conduct comprehensive tests of various latest models of Russian weapons in combat conditions!

    In a guerrilla war with virtually no ability to completely control it ?! request This is not the Arab-Israeli conflict, nor Vietnam, even then the Jews stole an air defense system. And here, in this mess - how and what are you going to experience?
  15. Wedmak
    Wedmak 14 August 2013 11: 43 New
    +6
    Quote: bask
    Opposition in Syria expands use of anti-tank systems against government forces

    It was predictable, the US officially canceled the arms embargo.
    Now all the mongrel dogs will intensely arm the animals in Syria.
    Russia is required to urgently supply DZ and KAZ.

    And in March, the 500 ATGM of the Javelins, the SUSH, were put into Qatar, all 500 are already in Syria.
    It will be difficult for Syrian tankers.

    Javelinov ???? They stand like elephants !!! Something there is great doubt that such modern weapons will fall into the hands of militants. And will the militants be able to use it? This is not RPG-7 for you.
  16. alone
    alone 14 August 2013 11: 45 New
    11
    in addition to deliveries of anti-tank weapons, attention should be paid to the fact that a lot of anti-tank weapons were seized from the Syrian army. why did the military leave the military depots without blowing them up.
  17. Siberian
    Siberian 14 August 2013 12: 01 New
    +2
    On their own head (the West and others) they will put the anti-tank systems of the so-called opposition. Well, what they seize from the Syrian side is already a big jamb from the government forces.
  18. dc120mm
    dc120mm 14 August 2013 12: 06 New
    +4
    Russian technology against the Russian anti-tank systems, probably most likely will be watched for the Russians.
    1. SPBOBL
      SPBOBL 14 August 2013 16: 31 New
      -4
      learn to write correctly ...
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 14 August 2013 16: 38 New
        +5
        You can’t do it! A man from Georgia. A lot of time has passed. The Russian language has been forgotten. The fact that the Georgians come to the Russian patriotic website is Veri Gut!
      2. dc120mm
        dc120mm 14 August 2013 21: 27 New
        -1
        Sure to! wink
      3. SPBOBL
        SPBOBL 17 August 2013 11: 14 New
        0
        I do not understand the cons!
    2. fokino1980
      fokino1980 14 August 2013 21: 27 New
      +5
      Of course it's hard to watch! It is just as hard to look at the photo of Hero of the Soviet Union Junior Sergeant Kantariy Meliton Varlamovich, at the destroyed monument to Georgians who fought in World War II! and a man who managed to destroy the centuries-old friendship of two peoples and the people who betrayed the memory of their ancestors and chose a new owner who would never shed their blood for this people! Once the betrayer will betray again!
  19. bask
    bask 14 August 2013 12: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: Wedmak
    Javelinov ???? They stand like elephants !!! Something is in great doubt that such modern weapons will fall into the hands of

    Wemak, they don’t feel sorry for the $$$$ paperwork for animal business. I think Qatar will still buy a batch from SUSH in the near future.
    I won’t be surprised if the militants have Israeli Spike ATGMs.
    ATGM-Orev, figurative: three people.
    ATGM-Khutra, used on platforms: Hammer, etc.
    ATGM-Ballista, platform: Hammer, Land Rover, the most long-range (26 km) Israeli army ATGM, is produced in limited quantities due to the high price. The sale monarchies of the Persian Gulf will not stand at a price. They will buy how much the son orders and Israel will stay ...
  20. Manager
    Manager 14 August 2013 12: 16 New
    +4
    Quote: bask
    And in March, the 500 ATGM of the Javelins, the SUSH, were put into Qatar, all 500 are already in Syria.
    It will be difficult for Syrian tankers.


    Against the Javelins and new tanks as matchboxes. What to say about the tanks of the old ones that Syria has.
    1. 11 black
      11 black 14 August 2013 18: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Manager
      And in March, the 500 ATGM of the Javelins, the SUSH, were put into Qatar, all 500 are already in Syria.
      It will be difficult for Syrian tankers.


      Against the Javelins and new tanks as matchboxes. What to say about the tanks of the old ones that Syria has.

      The only salvation from the javelin is an active defense system, this reptile hits the tank in an unarmored roof, the only chance to save the tank by dropping a rocket on approach is nothing else will help (maybe a dynamic defense or a metal grill, but I doubt it).
      PS You need to immediately deliver to Syria a SAZ, at least an “Arena” - they will give an opportunity to defend themselves against modern anti-tank systems - or life will be complicated for tankers ...

      in general, I wonder why the tanks are still not equipped with metal grills - of course it’s unlikely to save from Jevi, here you need a good SAZ, but from 7 or the contest it is request
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 14 August 2013 20: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: 11 black
        need to immediately deliver to Syria a SAZ, at least the "Arena" - they will provide an opportunity to defend themselves against modern anti-tank systems

        Are you out of your mind or Mary En? What nonsense are you talking about? KAZ "Arena" has never been accepted into service, has never been mass-produced and never will be. What are you going to send to the Syrians? Promotional booklets of the Kolomna KBM?
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 14 August 2013 20: 19 New
          +2
          It's nice to read the comments of the person who is in the topic. Ura-patriots already got
        2. Professor
          Professor 14 August 2013 22: 59 New
          -5
          You can buy trophies in Israel and give them to the Syrians. wink This has already happened. For example, with Israeli SLAs sold by Mandela to Assad.
        3. 11 black
          11 black 15 August 2013 14: 38 New
          0
          Quote: Nayhas
          need to immediately deliver to Syria a SAZ, at least the "Arena" - they will provide an opportunity to defend themselves against modern anti-tank systems

          Are you out of your mind or Mary En? What nonsense are you talking about? KAZ "Arena" has never been accepted into service, has never been mass-produced and never will be. What are you going to send to the Syrians? Promotional booklets of the Kolomna KBM?

          KAZ arena was tested - we have no other, but without active protection, “jevi” will kill T72 in a few days. As far as I know, “Afghanit” is only being developed, and the thrush will not protect against an impact in the roof, there is an option to put the Ukrainian “Barrier”, but it was also not produced in series and Ukraine is unlikely to agree to deliver it to Syria ... I wonder what you offer ?
  21. alone
    alone 14 August 2013 12: 19 New
    +7
    knowing that the armored forces are the elite of the Syrian army, the bet is precisely on the defeat of the tank units. In fairness, it must be said that without the support of the infantry the tankers really have to be tight. , especially about covering military equipment
  22. bask
    bask 14 August 2013 12: 21 New
    +5
    Quote: Wedmak
    And will the militants be able to use it? This is not RPG-7 for you.

    In Afghanistan, in the 80s, they learned to use illiterate aboregens, the Mujahideen, Stingers,.
    Teached and animals in Syria, the use of modern anti-tank systems.
    1. avt
      avt 14 August 2013 17: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: bask
      In Afghanistan, in the 80s, they learned to use illiterate aboregens, the Mujahideen, Stingers,

      Yeah! Then they had a tough time there. The first shooters generally came out with discharged batteries, so the second time their leaders said - whoever fails to launch will cut off his head.
  23. mamba
    mamba 14 August 2013 12: 21 New
    +1
    Syria - SAA tank withstood several RPG hits:

    Undermining a tank, Syria:

  24. mamba
    mamba 14 August 2013 12: 27 New
    +7
    Syria - An RPG exploded in the hands of a rebel in Aleppo:
  25. alone
    alone 14 August 2013 12: 42 New
    11
    video frames are a good example of the fact that tanks have no cover by infantry. So you can’t fight in urban conditions
  26. bask
    bask 14 August 2013 13: 14 New
    +7
    Quote: Manager
    Against the Javelins and new tanks as matchboxes. What to say about the tanks of the old ones that Syria has.

    Manager, the devil is not so terrible as he is painted !!!
    In such a situation, Syrian intelligence and special forces should work fully. With active information support from Russia.
  27. sashka
    sashka 14 August 2013 13: 29 New
    +2
    It seems they themselves boasted of the construction of a plant for the production of anti-tank systems in the emirates .. So why cluck now ...
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 14 August 2013 22: 18 New
      +2
      Amendment, Hashim plant in Jordan.
  28. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 14 August 2013 13: 39 New
    +6
    Dear Editor!
    Maybe it’s enough to grovel in front of the “partners” and politically / bashfully call terrorists, bandits and nonhumans the opposition?
  29. yanus
    yanus 14 August 2013 13: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: Peaceful military
    Dear Editor!

    I will reveal a terrible military secret. "Dear editors" does not exist as such on this site. 95% of articles on the site are copied from other sources, like this article.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 14 August 2013 15: 34 New
      0
      OOPS!
      Tady AI. recourse smile
  30. vm68dm
    vm68dm 14 August 2013 13: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: makst83
    It is urgent to increase the supply of arms to Syria! Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, ammunition. This stuff in the warehouses was heaps and it lies dead weight! Syria is the forefront of the fight against terrorism and by helping Syria we ensure the security of our borders!

    9500 units of T-72B (BA) and 3000 units of other modifications. Over 8000 BMP-1 !!!!!!
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 14 August 2013 15: 05 New
      -1
      Quote: vm68dm

      9500 units of T-72B (BA) and 3000 units of other modifications. Over 8000 BMP-1 !!!!!!

      Do you think you post? What are 9,5 thousand T-72? A total of about 4500 tanks, of which about 1500 T-72.
      1. alone
        alone 14 August 2013 15: 09 New
        +6
        Aron, he means the tanks and infantry fighting vehicles that the Russian army has in storage)))
      2. vm68dm
        vm68dm 14 August 2013 18: 06 New
        +1
        9500 TOTAL !!! That is, in WAREHOUSES and in the arsenal of the Russian Federation!
  31. fokino1980
    fokino1980 14 August 2013 13: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: dc120mm
    Russian technology against the Russian anti-tank systems, probably most likely will be watched for the Russians.
    Of course it's hard to watch! It is just as hard to look at the photo of Hero of the Soviet Union Junior Sergeant Kantaria Meliton Varlamovich, at the destroyed monument to Georgians who fought in World War II! and a man who managed to destroy the centuries-old friendship of two peoples and the people who betrayed the memory of their ancestors and chose a new owner who would never shed their blood for this people!
  32. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 14 August 2013 14: 02 New
    +5
    Well, to begin with, in Syria, the militants use not only our ATGMs and the aforementioned Milan, but also the Chinese HJ-8s and FN-6 MANPADS from which the Syrian Air Force Mi-25 helicopter was sold on February 2013, 17, which was sold by the Government of Sudan to Qatar , who organized his delivery to Syria through Turkey. Moreover, about the FN-6 MANPADS, that despite the helicopters shot down from it, the militants complained that most of them were inoperative and that two MANPADS even exploded in the hands of shooters, killing two and injuring four others. Also used are the Yugoslav 82-mm recoilless M60 gun and the 90-mm M79 Osa grenade launchers with shots delivered from Croatia and Romanian copies of the RPG-7. Yours faithfully! hi
    Here is a video of Yugoslav-made weapons seized from militants

    Photo of the twelve-barrel 128-mm Croatian MLRS RAK-12 (version of the Yugoslav MLRS M63 Plamen) from Syrian fighters.
  33. shark
    shark 14 August 2013 14: 08 New
    +8
    The tanks, of course, and the BMP, we will deliver. And newer and fresher. But it is not the matter of iron. The experienced, faithful, the best will die. And this is terrible
  34. KononAV
    KononAV 14 August 2013 14: 27 New
    0
    Things are so obvious that I really don’t see the point in this all.
  35. Day 11
    Day 11 14 August 2013 14: 33 New
    +2
    Roma, if Jevlin is thrown to them, then everything’s a cord! They’ll give all the armored vehicles in 2 days
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 14 August 2013 15: 29 New
      +1
      Dan, great, it's not that simple. “Javelin” is not a panacea, besides, “Javelina” will not let Basmachi put Israel, because Hamas is fighting on the side of the bandits, and the next “Javelins” will fly to the Merkav towers somewhere in the Gaza Strip. Better go to the branch about the Iranian submarine, I posted a bunch of pictures of the Iranian fleet there. Yours faithfully! hi
      Photos of basmachi with Chinese anti-tank systems before launch

      after rocket launch
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 14 August 2013 20: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: smiths xnumx
        Javelin is not a panacea

        If you compare the complexity of use, the "Javelin" is much easier and safer than the Cornets, Milan and Competitions, not to mention RPGs and recoilless guns. In addition, training is faster and comes down mainly to the algorithm for turning on the equipment and the guidance process with target acquisition. The above ATGM need to be taught to still choose a position and to guide the flying ATGM, which requires expenditure for training purposes and so not a rich supply of them. "Javelin" is the best anti-tank weapon for inexperienced users, it aimed at the target, captured it by the GOS, dumped it in a safe place, launched into the sky and ran away, ATGM itself will find the target and hit it. But since The US supports the SSA only in the words of the "Javelins" they just can not see, and not only them. In theory, the United States could supply thousands of M-19 anti-tank mines in storage tanks obviously in bulk and AT4 CS HP grenade launchers from which you can shoot from a "limited space", i.e. from the premises, but do not deliver. Therefore, the Syrian tankers and ride without much fear, in isolation from the infantry and engineering units.
  36. alone
    alone 14 August 2013 14: 46 New
    +2
    Denis, you can do all the equipment without Javelin in 2 days. Even RPG-7 will fit in to destroy a tank without a cover. Watch this video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x1_mlv_PUc

    it was done with a hand grenade
    1. bask
      bask 14 August 2013 15: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      without Javelin, do all the equipment in 2 days. even RPG-7 will fit to destroy a tank without a cover

      On all frames, video ... armored vehicles without infantry cover. And for MBT, a battle in the building, without interruption of infantry, a guaranteed end.
      One thing is surprising, why the experience of the Russian troops in Chechnya is not taken into account (there were advisers).
      The tanks were never equipped with trellis screens in factory and repair plants in Syria.
      1. alone
        alone 14 August 2013 15: 15 New
        +3
        complete collapse in Syria. the whole country is fighting, no one knows where and what forces hold which city and village, most likely the enterprises are destroyed. Regarding the actions of the infantry, we can only assume that most soldiers do not want to die. And if so, then Syrian army is not so smooth. because, as you noticed, at least the 1st Chechen was supposed to be a lesson
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 14 August 2013 15: 21 New
          +2
          You are not quite right, Omar.
          1. alone
            alone 14 August 2013 16: 01 New
            +2
            dear Denis, in Syria, Damascus is considered the political center of the country, but Aleppo is economic. The city of safita is located a few kilometers from Tartus. The province is Latakia. Until recently, there were no intense battles in this province, with the exception of episodic skirmishes on the borders of the provinces. I sincerely I hope that at least the war did not affect this beautiful city.
            By the way, Latakia and Aleppo were considered a tourist area until the outbreak of war.
      2. viruskvartirus
        viruskvartirus 14 August 2013 17: 27 New
        0
        Equipped saw video.
      3. ICT
        ICT 14 August 2013 17: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: bask
        screens in factory and repair factories, Syria.


        something like this ?
      4. Nayhas
        Nayhas 14 August 2013 21: 30 New
        0
        Quote: bask
        One thing is surprising, why the experience of the Russian troops in Chechnya is not taken into account (there were advisers).

        The fact is that the "rebels" have much less anti-tank weapons than this is said. Basically, this is an RPG-7 with a PG-7 grenade, which does not penetrate the T-72 in most projections, and the presence of dynamic protection, albeit the ancient "Contact-1", reduces the small penetration of the PG-7 to zero. The captured ATGMs are clearly not enough at all, and the lack of a unified command does not allow the concentration of effective anti-tank weapons in a tank-dangerous direction. Much has been said about the help of the "rebels" by the West and the Arab world, but it’s practically not there, it would seem if it’s a pity for modern anti-tank systems, so give anti-tank mines, there’s nowhere to be cheaper ...
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 August 2013 21: 40 New
          +2
          Captured anti-tank systems in the city is difficult to apply. The point is in the ranges.
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 14 August 2013 22: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Captured anti-tank systems in the city is difficult to apply. The point is in the ranges.

            Undoubtedly, therefore, it is better to use mines and RPGs in the city allowing them to be used indoors.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 15 August 2013 00: 14 New
              +1
              When using anti-tank systems in the city, two problems arise:
              The first is short range. On the video, “Milan” (50 m. Minimum), 111th missile (70 m), 113th (75 m), “Cornets” (100 m). But here is the ficus picus, for shooting from second-generation systems, as you rightly pointed out, you need good preparation. And for shooting small, as well as large, a very good preparation. Ideal 1-2 km. if less, then you need to have iron nerves, especially when shooting at moving ones. At start-up, the tip most often gets lost, and you need to calmly, but quickly restore it. And this is unlikely for an inexperienced person to succeed the first time.

              The second is the impact of the enemy. In the city, at short ranges, after launch, the launch iron is unmasked-dust. You don’t really hide in the house, you can hurt yourself, moreover, at Milan, an empty container immediately flies back quite far after launch. Well and accordingly, everything that is possible begins to shoot there. And the operator must stick around the sight before hitting the target or miss.

              By the way, I remember there were stories about super-cooked operators who carried water cans or a bunch of flasks on their belts with them. To, accordingly, spill the earth around the launcher to reduce dust after a shot. However, they shot at us twice, and both times fired a lot. Not only didn’t they hit, but both times they definitely lost PU, and once there was either a corpse or a seriously wounded one. There are a lot of blood left. In short, the exchange: two 113th missiles, two 135th launchers on a cable reel on a connected MT-LBU that cannot be restored. Moreover, they burned down with the source of the missile’s income, and the special policemen dragged the empty TPKs away immediately.
  37. Day 11
    Day 11 14 August 2013 14: 52 New
    +2
    Good afternoon Omar! I saw this video. It turns out --- sort of like a staged video
  38. alone
    alone 14 August 2013 14: 56 New
    +1
    do you think the militants have a lot of T-72 tanks to sacrifice it for a setup?)) it simply strikes the complete absence of infantry. If even this is a setup, it’s still possible, especially in cramped city blocks. Not to mention anti-tank mines
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 14 August 2013 15: 00 New
      +2
      Why do they need tanks? AKM in hand --- and into battle!
      1. alone
        alone 14 August 2013 15: 06 New
        +2
        )) with one akm you cannot storm such fortified positions as the ming airport, where there was a reinforced tank battalion.
    2. baton140105
      baton140105 14 August 2013 20: 16 New
      0
      nobody is in the tank, is it not clear? Or are you really tight?
      1. alone
        alone 14 August 2013 23: 11 New
        +2
        but you probably haven’t been taught culture! marvel at your rudeness !! even no words! are free
  39. sub307
    sub307 14 August 2013 15: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: Twice Major
    The partisan movement in the territories occupied by the bandits could seriously help the SAA with sabotage in communications ... But I have not heard anything about such a movement ... Our partisans in the Second World War seriously spoiled the Fritz supplies to the Wehrmacht ...

    Yeah, in the Patriotic War of 1812, the French were also spoiled. It must be assumed that the so-called "partisan movement" is occupied by bandits, i.e. by definition, also by "partisans", "rebels", etc., for some reason it does not arise by itself. It needs to be organized. Why at least the components are needed:
    - organizers of armed resistance;
    - organized (attracted by propaganda, hired, etc., etc., in short, people recruited in one way or another);
    - material and technical support of this very resistance ("partisan movement");
    If it (resistance) in an organized form did not arise there, then there is something not for its occurrence and effective activity.
    And without going deeply into an analysis of the situation, I dare to suggest that from the local population, in the areas of hostilities, “peyzans” of various clans, beliefs, koi and “in better times” got along with themselves “creaking”. And all this population dreams of only one thing, in the general mass - to give the village to any safe place. In the same Turkey, or even where to feed.
    So, to draw analogies with what was happening against the backdrop of Russian landscapes in both World War II with the modern Syrian "war" is somehow incorrect, something does not work out.
    1. alone
      alone 14 August 2013 15: 24 New
      0
      guerrilla warfare gives effect when the country is exposed to external aggression. where the population is diverse (religious, ethnic), it turns out that you indicated in your comment-as if to move somewhere far away from this. you are absolutely right. and besides, we will not forget that the northern regions, where the militants control vast territories, the Sunnis, who make up the backbone of the militants, predominantly live just the same. It is possible that a part of the population of these regions support the militants
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 14 August 2013 21: 43 New
        -2
        Quote: lonely
        it is possible that part of the population of these regions support the militants

        Dear Omar, in general, there is a civil war in Syria, the country was divided on a religious basis. It’s just that the Sunnis are not united, they are divided by many groups, the press calls them all under one comb “opposition” or “jihadist bandits” (depending on whose press). Moreover, the Sunnis are already fighting each other, which is in Assad’s favor, against this background, the civilian Sunni population is also divided. Someone supports the SSA, some Islamists and jihadists, the people there are clearly already tired of everyone ...
        1. alone
          alone 14 August 2013 23: 16 New
          +1
          I understand you. The jihadists mainly came from outside and of course a certain number of Syrians joined them. But even though the Sunnis are at war with each other, the Sunnis still make up about 60% + - 5% of the total Syrian population about 10-11 million against 3,2 million Shiites. there are too many of them. and the fact that people are already tired is a fact. That's why everyone is fleeing the country who can
  40. igor67
    igor67 14 August 2013 15: 23 New
    +2
    And the Syrian army itself "supplies" the militants with the same things, not small ones, arsenals, a lot of video is one of the last, the question is why they don’t explode when they withdraw,
  41. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 14 August 2013 15: 31 New
    +1
    Janes Defense Weekly experts analyzed videos posted on the Internet ...
    I did not even read further.

    Wellcome that Syria, and only then analyzes.
    1. igor67
      igor67 14 August 2013 15: 45 New
      -4
      [img] http://youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=Jm8IMwHjlzo [/ img]
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      Janes Defense Weekly experts analyzed videos posted on the Internet ...
      I did not even read further.

      Wellcome that Syria, and only then analyzes.

      Do you trust RT (Russia)?
      1. fokino1980
        fokino1980 14 August 2013 21: 22 New
        +2
        Of course we trust, even your Mrs. Clinton trusts them! But you trust your mistress ??? You hope that those whom you supply do not get to you ??? Do not expect. The next will be Israel! Back to Russia will not be allowed! Ai go to hell !!!
  42. albanech
    albanech 14 August 2013 16: 10 New
    0
    Quote: igor67
    [img] http://youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=Jm8IMwHjlzo [/ img]
    Quote: tilovaykrisa
    Janes Defense Weekly experts analyzed videos posted on the Internet ...
    I did not even read further.

    Wellcome that Syria, and only then analyzes.

    Do you trust RT (Russia)?


    Personally, I have no confidence! I'm more interested in what is happening not on forums and sites, but in fact! Eternal empty reasoning set, not set, fought, did not fight, served, did not serve ... Empty! I am now where + 40 is for happiness! I hope you are well now! It's time to run ...
    1. igor67
      igor67 14 August 2013 16: 25 New
      -1
      Quote: albanech
      Quote: igor67
      [img] http://youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=Jm8IMwHjlzo [/ img]
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      Janes Defense Weekly experts analyzed videos posted on the Internet ...
      I did not even read further.

      Wellcome that Syria, and only then analyzes.

      Do you trust RT (Russia)?


      Personally, I have no confidence! I'm more interested in what is happening not on forums and sites, but in fact! Eternal empty reasoning set, not set, fought, did not fight, served, did not serve ... Empty! I am now where + 40 is for happiness! I hope you are well now! It's time to run ...

      It's hot, all the same, there are deserts
      1. fokino1980
        fokino1980 14 August 2013 21: 23 New
        +1
        Run dear! Run !!! It's time!
  43. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 14 August 2013 16: 16 New
    +3
    Quote: mamba
    Syria - An RPG exploded in the hands of a rebel in Aleppo:

    Revenge of the RPG-7 bandit! The head off the neck completely demolished.
  44. alone
    alone 14 August 2013 16: 31 New
    +2
    http://warfiles.ru/show-36577-v-siriyskoy-provincii-homs-slozhili-oruzhie-94-boe
    vika.html

    Over the past two weeks, a large part of Bab Hood has been cleared in Homs and the Al-Karabis area has been liberated. A number of observers note that due to the onset of the Wahhabis in Latakia, the command of the Syrian army is forced to transfer elite units there from the province of Homs, which could potentially weaken the grouping of government troops here. At the same time, there were several reports of the sending from Aleppo to Homs of reinforcements for the Islamists with attached armored vehicles and rocket launchers.


    Assad apparently really lacks strength, since units are being transferred from one front to another
  45. vitek1233
    vitek1233 14 August 2013 17: 25 New
    0
    ShturmKGB
    Turkey will play out ... all those bandits whom Turkey helps as a result will turn these weapons against Turkey itself ...

    They want to see someone else’s countrymen
  46. viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 14 August 2013 17: 29 New
    +1
    Well, judging by the video, RPG-29 is used to the full there, and it’s good for tankers and militants there.
  47. Alex-z84
    Alex-z84 14 August 2013 17: 46 New
    0
    Quote: dc120mm
    Russian technology against the Russian anti-tank systems, probably most likely will be watched for the Russians.

    Not hard, it's a war, everything happens there.
  48. svp67
    svp67 15 August 2013 00: 29 New
    +1
    In addition to the above ATGM, on the videos, experts from Janes identified the Milan, Malyutka, Fagot and Metis complexes. Most of the videos using ATGMs were filmed in the northeastern provinces of Aleppo and Idlib, which convincingly indicates that the weapons were delivered across the border with Turkey.
    but it’s interesting from the warehouses of which state they came to Turkey ...
    1. alone
      alone 15 August 2013 00: 33 New
      +1
      from different. Iraq, Libya, from almost all Arab countries and from Europe (mostly expired missiles), in addition, all of the listed anti-tank missiles were in service with the Syrian army. Foreign deliveries + trophy from warehouses are obtained.