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Tank biathlon: sport, training and prestige of the army

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Among the events of recent months that took place in the Russian armed forces, a great method of checking the level of training of tankers attracted a lot of public attention and specialists. So-called tank biathlon, despite its simplicity, proved to be a very convenient means of training and testing the skills of soldiers. As part of the competition, tankers of various units are given the opportunity to go to the training ground and practice driving an armored vehicle and firing from its standard weapons.




The word "biathlon" in the name of a new type of testing the skills of tankers appeared for the reason that, fulfilling the task, they must pass the track and hit the target - all as in the same winter sport. Naturally, the conditions of tank biathlon are fully consistent with the features of the military equipment used in it.

The route passes over rough terrain and its length, depending on the size of a particular landfill, ranges from 6 to 10 kilometers. After each of the three laps, tankers go to the firing line. All competitions involve three shooting. During the first, the tank must hit three targets from the main cannon that imitate the enemy’s armored vehicles. The distance to these goals - 1500 meters and more. After the next trip around the test site, the tankers return to the firing position, from which they must hit new targets. Now, at a distance of about 600-700 meters from the tank, there are targets imitating the calculation of an anti-tank grenade launcher and several infantrymen. These targets must be hit with a machine gun paired with a cannon. After the third lap on the track, tankers fire from the NSV anti-aircraft machine gun at targets imitating the calculation of anti-tank systems and anti-tank guns. After the third firing line, the tank must pass an obstacle course, bypassing various objects and crossing ditches and unevenness of the route. For non-compliance with any conditions of the competition the crew receives a penalty. For each unaffected target, tankers will have to overcome the extra 500 meters of the track, and for each obstacle in the last section they will receive additional 10 seconds to the total time.

Despite the competitive nature, tank biathlon is an interesting and original way to test the skills of tankers in conditions close to real. The main advantage of checks using this method is the combination of several tasks, which are usually worked out separately. In other words, instead of individual trips along the tank route and separate firing on the range (between working on these tasks, days and weeks may pass), tankers have the opportunity to work out several crucial skills during one event. During the entire race on the tank biathlon route, the crew of the combat vehicle must do its job smoothly. Consider the problem of "biathlon" in more detail.

Most of the time the tank participating in the competition, conducts on the track. Since you have to drive over rough terrain, the driver has to constantly monitor the track and correctly control his armored vehicle. Mobility is one of the main features of a modern tank; working in the conditions of the landfill, the driver improves his skills and increases the chances of the tank to perform tasks in a real battle.

The second part of the tank biathlon - target shooting - was also created taking into account the real threats on the battlefield. Being in a firing position, tankers must find and hit targets imitating armored vehicles, artillery, anti-tank missile systems and grenade launchers, as well as enemy infantry. All these goals can meet tankers in battle. The ability to quickly detect and destroy them will allow you to complete tasks. Moreover, direct fire at various targets is the main method of tank work and, by participating in biathlon, crews improve one of their most important skills. The use of almost all available on the armored vehicle weapons It also has a beneficial effect on the skills of tankers, since in real conditions it is not always possible to destroy targets with just one cannon or machine gun.

Finally, the competitive spirit of tank biathlon helps crews seeking to reduce their total time and win, learn to work smoothly and without mistakes. As a result, the overall effectiveness of training tankers, in comparison with the usual "separate" methods, increases significantly. Probably in the near future, tank biathlon will be widely distributed among the troops and will take its place in the system of training tankers.

Shortly after the first such events, various proposals began to appear concerning their future. For example, it is proposed not only to hold competitions between different tank units, but also to do this as part of a new television program. With her help, it is alleged, it will be possible to increase the prestige of military service. Also a few weeks ago it became known that the Mongolian military could adopt the know-how of their Russian colleagues. After watching the tank biathlon at the Chebarkul training ground (Chelyabinsk region), the Mongolian officers expressed their intention to think about the possibility of using the Russian experience in training their soldiers.

Thus, just a few months after the first reports about him, tank biathlon began to go international. Moreover, in the near future, it may become not just a competitive practice adopted in several countries, but also a full-fledged international competition. A few days ago it became known that the US military accepted an invitation to participate in Russian competitions of tankers. Russian Defense Minister S. Shoigu recently invited American tankers to take part in a tank biathlon on Russian highways, and they agreed to join the new “sport”. In addition to the Americans, the military of other countries also expressed their consent.

Such a variant of tank biathlon, with the participation of foreign tankers, will certainly attract the attention of the general public and accordingly affect the prestige of the armed forces. In addition, competitions with the participation of Russian and American tankers on armored vehicles of Russia and the United States will help to remove some of the issues that have long been the cause of numerous disputes. Probably, instead of some reasons for disputes, others will appear, but this time the tanks and crews of the two countries will clearly demonstrate their skills and abilities while competing with each other. Also, do not forget the fact that any such event will become a kind of advertisement for armored vehicles.

In the end, it turns out that a new original idea, the purpose of which is primarily to improve the skills of tank servicemen, is able to favorably affect not only the level of training of fighters, but also other equally important aspects of the armed forces and the defense industry. For example, already on August 17, Russian tankers will be able to show their skills and abilities by competing with their colleagues from other countries. A biathlon with the participation of tankers from Russia, Armenia, Belarus and Kazakhstan will be held at the training ground in Alabino near Moscow. It remains to wish good luck to the Russian crews. Let them defend the honor of the Russian army and show what our tank forces are capable of.


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  1. svp67
    svp67 14 August 2013 07: 45 New
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    The service, and most importantly the study should be at least interesting, and here is a way that is very visual and spectacular one of the best. Still, to conduct competitions for example for the "Prize of the Minister of Defense"
    1. Seraph
      Seraph 14 August 2013 19: 48 New
      +6
      And on the 1st channel in prime time instead of shameful series and commercials. 24 hour broadcast)
      1. arutun
        arutun 14 August 2013 23: 01 New
        +2
        Yes, it would not be bad, otherwise they showed a short report on RT, I hope the whole performance will be shown. At least on the Internet to see.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 14 August 2013 23: 05 New
          +2
          Here, admire, and pass on to others http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201308141302-7zir.htm
          1. redwar6
            redwar6 15 August 2013 00: 47 New
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            Eeeeh, I’m only for it! I would love to watch.
          2. arutun
            arutun 15 August 2013 16: 55 New
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            Thank you, I looked with pleasure.
  2. Bort radist
    Bort radist 14 August 2013 07: 53 New
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    Such competitions should dot the I, and dispel some myths about the super technology of super powers. Many questions need to be addressed about the rules, rather about technical regulations. Matching machine classes, use of aiming systems. And on the other hand, the conditions for all are the same - the track, obstacles, etc. But the cars must be serial, otherwise they will start to attach wings laughing
  3. smsk
    smsk 14 August 2013 07: 59 New
    +9
    It would be very interesting to watch the competition. If the Americans agreed to participate, then they are getting ready so as not to face the dirt and not to shake the whole world with their perfect equipment. We will root for ours, even if they lose, the goal is where to strive in the future. And it’s time to put an end to the debate for anyone "longer" wassat
    1. Petrovich-2
      Petrovich-2 14 August 2013 08: 37 New
      +7
      And it’s time to put an end to the debate for anyone "longer"

      Yes, it’s not the size of the gun, if only it can be mastered skillfully. tongue
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 14 August 2013 17: 35 New
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        hi
        Quote Petrovich-2 (1)
        Yes, it’s not the size of the gun, if only it can be mastered skillfully.

        You can’t argue with the obvious! You are absolutely right, colleague, and personal life is a good example of this. yes .
  4. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 14 August 2013 08: 05 New
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    What is the ringing in most media about? Huh? "Tank biathlon"? AND! Did senior officers of the modern Russian army finally read "KS SO, BM and T SV 84"? And then some old polkan told them about how tank competitions were held in the USSR? And not only tankers. Special forces were launched into the PV without notifying the commander of the outpost (I personally know), spy saboteurs penetrated into government communications facilities (a guard friend told). And during and as a result of these "competitions" such "certificates" issued "cups" that the stars flew (and not only from the eyes). That was fun ... And most importantly - without noise and dust. A "tank biathlon" is a golem PR.
    1. My address
      My address 14 August 2013 09: 19 New
      +3
      You are absolutely right.

      After reading the first time about such a biathlon was glad for ours and forgot. After the second, I began to recall the optimal combat distances for the T-62 and what they learned from tactics and bit the worm. And yesterday I read an article in the Free Press and, I confess, flushed with shame for myself. Of course, the performance characteristics of that technology and the present are completely different, but the principles of application are the same.

      Rather, the simplest thing happened for our bonzes - Lizun, a priest from the Arbat military district, presented Shoigu between times, he thought through and admired himself. And negotiating with knowledgeable old men is not a royal business.
      1. My address
        My address 14 August 2013 15: 54 New
        0
        Concretize myself. Lizun Pop is a specialist for licking fillet parts of chiefs.
      2. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 14 August 2013 17: 49 New
        +1
        hi
        Further practice, a colleague, especially with the participation of truly foreign specialists from the same P.indostan (if the law on the prohibition of gay propaganda among minors is not afraid) will show the relevance of this action. Not? Yes, and it seems to me, judging by the innovations of the head of the U.S. Shoigu, the so-called “Tank Biathlon” is the well-forgotten good old “Calculation / crew competition” in the SA, but at the new stage, more centralized, well, as it is now accepted - actively publicized.
        And, if the case is actually true, then what difference does anyone remember about this?
        The main thing is that the benefit be and truly triumph, whose tank is better - the Uralvagonzavod or the Chrysler company ...
  5. Diviz
    Diviz 14 August 2013 08: 16 New
    +2
    and who knows, the result depends on the tank, for example, T72 and T80, or only on the skill of the crew.
  6. Constantine
    Constantine 14 August 2013 08: 41 New
    +5
    Not quite a topic, but still smile
  7. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 14 August 2013 09: 07 New
    +4
    Tank biathlon, air darts to be included in the program of the Olympic Games
  8. omsbon
    omsbon 14 August 2013 09: 09 New
    +1
    Any competition implies classiness or rank, to the master of sports - this is understandable, but "master of sports of the international class" how to assign? Many ideas come up! laughing
  9. roial
    roial 14 August 2013 09: 19 New
    +3
    Since 1963, NATO held similar competitions for tankers. They were called the Canadian Army Trophy and rattled in West Germany. But in 1989, the Alliance closed this shop. Expensive and inefficient.
  10. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 August 2013 09: 24 New
    +6
    It would be interesting to look at these competitions and cheer for our own people. It would have been worse than the World Cup !!
  11. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 14 August 2013 09: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    It would be interesting to look at these competitions and cheer for our own people. It would have been worse than the World Cup !!


    Exactly! I think that our Westerners will be pulled to the very west! So that life does not seem sweet to these Kam !!!

    Go guys, for the MOTHERLAND!
  12. Siberian
    Siberian 14 August 2013 09: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Petrovich-2
    And it’s time to put an end to the debate for anyone "longer"

    Yes, it’s not the size of the gun, if only it can be mastered skillfully. tongue

    You are right. The most important thing is the cohesion and training of the crew. And u will be fine smile
  13. Metlik
    Metlik 14 August 2013 09: 41 New
    +2
    The main thing is not to stop - the idea is wonderful, but much remains to be done.
  14. Yuras222
    Yuras222 14 August 2013 09: 46 New
    +2
    I think our sea trials will not have problems, but they wouldn’t let us down with shooting.
  15. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 14 August 2013 09: 52 New
    +3
    Quote: serge-68-68
    What is the ringing in most media about? Huh? "Tank biathlon"? AND! Did senior officers of the modern Russian army finally read "KS SO, BM and T SV 84"? And most importantly - without noise and dust. A "tank biathlon" is a golem PR.

    In-in. As you know, Israeli armored personnel carriers were created by immigrants from the Red Army, and so, as a commentary on this news, one regiment of the AOI reserve said with perplexity that he went through a similar training technique at the KMB in the early 50s under the command of the “Russian” commanders. She has remained so far. Each crew does a “mivkhan maslyul” - “exam on the route”. This is a standard exercise in linear tank units.
  16. zvereok
    zvereok 14 August 2013 09: 54 New
    +3
    Quote: ivshubarin
    Tank biathlon, air darts to be included in the program of the Olympic Games


    And Bambinton.
  17. Combitor
    Combitor 14 August 2013 10: 04 New
    +2
    Not a specialist in this matter, so I can’t judge what the “reformer” Shoigu intended. Especially about the appropriateness of this show. Of course, a tank jumping at a training ground from a springboard and scorching from a gun is beautiful, spectacular. And in real life? I read on the site of the Free Press an opinion on this matter by another person - Major General of the Reserve Sergey Kanchukov, the former intelligence chief of the Siberian Military District. The article is called Tanks and Spectacles. A completely opposite look is expressed, diametrically opposite to the enthusiasm that Kirill Ryabov burst out. Time will tell. But for some reason, it’s already now visible that all the innovations of Shoigu are “ordered” to be taken with a bang. As if later I did not have to hiccup.
  18. roial
    roial 14 August 2013 10: 22 New
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    Quote: LaGlobal
    Exactly! I think that our Westerners will be pulled to the very west! So that life does not seem sweet to these kam !!! Forward, guys, for the MOTHERLAND!


    As bi America did not pull you, shooting from a cannon at a distance of 1800 meters for their MSAs is fun for children, especially since they have experience and practice, so train and train
  19. rus_ak_93
    rus_ak_93 14 August 2013 10: 28 New
    0
    Well, a person played Word of Tanks - I wanted to have real, why not, what to criticize right away. And I think watching on TV will be much more interesting than some kind of “blue” light.
  20. nepopadun
    nepopadun 14 August 2013 10: 29 New
    +1
    Glory to the Russian Army
  21. makst83
    makst83 14 August 2013 10: 59 New
    0
    I would also suggest teaching our tankers tactics for the game World of Tanks!)) No kidding!
  22. Alexey M
    Alexey M 14 August 2013 11: 00 New
    +1
    Everything is done right and the live broadcast through the central channels.
  23. Genady1976
    Genady1976 14 August 2013 11: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    The service, and most importantly the study should be at least interesting, and here is a way that is very visual and spectacular one of the best. Still, to conduct competitions for example for the "Prize of the Minister of Defense"

    or the President good soldier
  24. hiocraib
    hiocraib 14 August 2013 11: 34 New
    +5
    Quote: Kombitor
    Not a specialist in this matter, so I can’t judge what the “reformer” Shoigu intended. Especially about the appropriateness of this show. Of course, a tank jumping at a training ground from a springboard and scorching from a gun is beautiful, spectacular. And in real life?

    but in real life this is:

    http://vdmsti.ru/img/newsline/2013/08/09/15058401_news_bigpic.jpg
    and here it is:

  25. Bigriver
    Bigriver 14 August 2013 11: 35 New
    +3
    Quote: roial
    ... Canadian Army Trophy and rattled in West Germany. But in 1989, the Alliance closed this shop. Expensive and inefficient.

    As far as I read .., the shop covered itself, at first through the fault of the Great Shaves screwed up in 1987. And in the 89th, Europeans on Leo-2 pulled Abramsov, taking all six first places. In 1991, amers refused to play such a dishonest game crying
  26. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 14 August 2013 11: 50 New
    +4
    Quote: serge-68-68
    What is the ringing in most media about? Huh? "Tank biathlon"? AND! Did senior officers of the modern Russian army finally read "KS SO, BM and T SV 84"? And then some old polkan told them about how tank competitions were held in the USSR? And not only tankers. Special forces were launched into the PV without notifying the commander of the outpost (I personally know), spy saboteurs penetrated into government communications facilities (a guard friend told). And during and as a result of these "competitions" such "certificates" issued "cups" that the stars flew (and not only from the eyes). That was fun ... And most importantly - without noise and dust. A "tank biathlon" is a golem PR.

    Let PR, show. The main thing is that the combat training did not go according to the pattern, monotonously, at the same training grounds, where each landmark was shot!
  27. spok
    spok 14 August 2013 12: 00 New
    -2
    shoigu is clearly not okay
    to invent such a mess ptur destroy a machine gun but not he alone blows the roof
    President Vladimir Putin instructed Rostec State Corporation, the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) and Tactical Missile Arms Corporation (KTRV) to share with the Ministry of Defense the cost of the Chinese air force’s fighters in Russia. As the newspaper Kommersant found out, it is proposed to allocate 28 million rubles for these purposes.

    Quote: rus_ak_93
    a man played in the Word of Tanks - I wanted real, why not, what to criticize right away. And I think watching on TV will be much more interesting than some kind of “blue” light.


    and in real life he will play with your life if you play in the box well it didn’t work for him
  28. Bigriver
    Bigriver 14 August 2013 12: 01 New
    +5
    Quote: Kovrovsky

    Let PR, show. The main thing is that the combat training did not go according to the pattern, monotonously, at the same training grounds, where each landmark was shot!

    + + +
    Of course, there are some pluses in the endeavor laughing
    I do not understand pessimists.
    Firstly, the idea gives a real inspirational kick in combat training.
    Secondly, I was, frankly, honestly a word, surprised by Shoigu's confidence that we are not screwed up. And if so, it is also a stimulation of Russia's military exports.
    Well, do not forget about the third, and very important. This is a real popularization of our army among youth.
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 15 August 2013 20: 24 New
      0
      Quote: BigRiver
      Of course, in the endeavor, some advantages of laughing

      I fully support the above opinion.
      For contrast, we can recall Serdyukov, with his dances on tanks (with the involvement of choreographers, etc.) and a uniform from Yudashkin, which is good only for walking on the catwalk.
  29. heruv1me
    heruv1me 14 August 2013 12: 01 New
    +2
    If you believe viasat explorer, then at least Amer’s tankers have something similar in practice, only there are more distances, worse conditions (shooting at night) and moving targets. And the fact that we have is so far more like PR.
  30. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 14 August 2013 12: 11 New
    +5
    Again about tank biathlon, and again sarcasm is heard for comments ...
    There are certain fears, but they are from a "different" garden, and not those that are in the comments:

    Tank biathlon is an organizationally complex and not entirely cheap form of tank training.
    Our training grounds are “sharpened” for highly specialized training:

    *** Shooting is done on the tank director, where for this there are all the stray: tracks, target field, control tower, ammunition and so on. All this is fenced around the perimeter and has a belt of recklessness.
    Accordingly, there are directors for insertion barrel shooting and directors with a regular barrel, sometimes they are combined if there is a small distance between the RPM and the firing range and security measures for settlements are followed.

    *** Driving is carried out at tankodromes, where there is a suitably prepared track with obstacles, models of all kinds of crap, starting from the railway platform to everything at hand.
    Equipped starting position, Tankodrome tower with equipped simulator classes.

    *** Biathlon is a comprehensive training exercise. As a rule, such competitions were conducted by extra-class masters in the troops. Or well-trained tankers simply competed, but did not call it biathlon.
    Beginners should not start learning from this. They need to precisely GRIND their specialties by trial, error and repetition, and only then practice this comprehensively.
    Biathlon allows you to combine the coordinated work of the crew. It is on such exercises that CREW is born.

    There is always some distance between the director and the tankodrome, it was possible to conduct more or less normal professional competitions only when this distance is small.
    That’s the main problem with the mass occupation of tank biathlon in the troops.
    No one will build a double tankodrome with the director or vice versa, it will be costly.
    That is the main and real skepticism and sarcasm.
    But he with two legs and hands - FOR the development of tank biathlon !!!

    I repeat once again:
    Initial training of tankers is carried out classically - separately at the director and tankodrome. The goal is to gain knowledge, develop a skill.
    The next stage of preparation is biathlon. The goal is to coordinate the work of the entire crew.
    All this is possible if there are technical conditions.
    This is LEARNINGIt was something like this, but competitions such as biathlon, figure driving and dancing (the journalists called it ballet) were a kind of initiative of unit commanders to cheer up young people and in the framework of social competitions (families watched with pleasure, like at a holiday). Now it is proposed to formalize it.

    And I will note separately:
    The stages of biathlon at the level of Okrug and Russia are no longer the training of tankers, this is already a propaganda show to increase self-awareness, pride in the Armed Forces and increase prestige in the Army.
    And such a show is NEEDED AS AIR. For the same modern youth, she has no examples at all.
    This is a real patriotic event, and not the crap of some dull program with a pale leader who did not even see the barracks in a nightmare.
    Why is this event bad, huh? Why is such an undertaking bad? Answer whiners and couch skeptics ???

    And let them know in the West what sport we have in priority!
  31. Bugor
    Bugor 14 August 2013 13: 27 New
    +4
    Just now I looked at the zombie man at this sight. If it were possible, my son and I would go there with EXTRAORDINARY pleasure - to see. People go to the MAKS, but you can stare at the tanks only in Kubinka ...
    So I, too, for such PR, arms, legs and other parts of the body.
    They would have made normal on TV even from this show - I'm sure the ratings would not have been much lower than that of Paul Miracles. Here are those advertising the army and advertising technology, and income on the organization of such competitions.
    That's just change Shoigu to someone else's thread, and will play badminton in uniform ...
    1. BotaniQ
      BotaniQ 15 August 2013 12: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Bugor
      They would also make normal on this TV show - I'm sure the ratings would not be much less than that of Paul Miracles

      Yes, they kind of showed the producer of Channel 24 on Rossiya1, they say they’re shooting. Even some know-how was delivered. in September they promised to show this spectacle
  32. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 14 August 2013 14: 51 New
    0
    As the youth says - COOL.
    Modern combat training should have game elements. Young people have already absorbed computer games and military psychologists for 10 years already, as they say that the consciousness of modern youth is computerized, so it must be taken into account when organizing combat training. So tank biathlon is a long-awaited move. A little more like this in the entire spectrum of combat training.
  33. V. Salama
    V. Salama 14 August 2013 15: 40 New
    +2
    Aleks tv: "What is bad about such an undertaking? Answer, whiners and couch skeptics ???"
    They themselves answered quite professionally. There is combat training and there is PR. And the grief of that army, where they do not see the difference and, even worse, when one stands out for the other, when the essence of combat training (and the school of training) is reduced to the standard, for which the resource is banged. We went through it already. It seems that the budget has become oily - it's easier to "dust up" than painstakingly enhancing combat readiness and combat readiness, here you won’t wait for medals for a long time.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 14 August 2013 15: 48 New
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      Quote: V. Salama
      They themselves answered quite professionally.


      Read the post better, try to rephrase:
      We used to do this in parts before.
      It benefits.
      It will not be easy to mass enlist in the troops (for real-mass training).

      Competitions at a high level are an inevitable show, in whatever discipline it is held.
  34. runway
    runway 14 August 2013 15: 49 New
    +3
    What a vast field of activity opens up for the brain inflamed with the labors about the development of the sun! "Sea" and "Air battle", "Minesweeper" with a race through a real minefield and a bunch of different shooters ....
    I ask you not to confuse the real training of personnel with the SHOW. Always been for normal studies, but against the "SHOW" and other window dressings. I believe that window dressings do not strengthen our aircraft, but contribute to its collapse, because only work on the picture.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 14 August 2013 15: 54 New
      0
      Quote: piston
      I ask you not to confuse the real training of personnel with the SHOW. Always been for normal studies, but against the "SHOW" and other window dressings. I believe that window dressings do not strengthen our aircraft, but contribute to its collapse, because only work on the picture.

      And nobody argues with this. This is exactly what he wrote in the post: Learning is primary.
      Study - with access to the All-Russian level (here you need to do a show, and not vice versa).
      On the contrary - this is complete d.rmo, absolutely agree.
      1. runway
        runway 14 August 2013 16: 24 New
        +3
        Here one needs to answer one question: "Who are we training in the Armed Forces? Specialists in our field, or SHOWMENOV?"
        Best, this is not the one who only shoots and drives perfectly, which is also good, but the one who in an unfamiliar environment acts tactically competently and through their actions contributes to the implementation of the task assigned to the unit.
        "SHOW" at any level implies a previously known situation, and pre-known actions (here a machine gun scribbles, and there a gun shoots).
        For schoolchildren, I don’t want to talk about what will happen to tanks after such a “SHOYGU-SHOW” ....
        If you count all the pros and cons, (not voting) what will be more?
  35. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 14 August 2013 16: 40 New
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    Quote: piston
    "Who are we training in the sun? Specialists in their field, or SHOWMEN?"

    Michael, we are almost talking about the same thing ...
    During the period of my service, I had been clamoring for show-offs at the most reluctantly in the most unbearable.

    But if you combine the planned "staffing" of units with biathlon, then it is possible to really go for real low-level education.

    A show - let it be at the highest level. Let there be at least some patriotic event.

    I also have skepticism, so I also served in the army.
    But I do not want to prematurely bury a good conception.
    I am for biathlon.
    Now, if this is not a planned element of the training of ALL tankmen, I’ll also spit in my hearts.
    Let's see what they will do in the end.
  36. Prohor
    Prohor 14 August 2013 16: 47 New
    +3
    I am for both hands, but ...
    Driving - it is really close to reality, but, as I understand it, shooting is carried out on plywood targets that occur at a certain distance in a certain sector. And this is already very far from life. To see the grenade launcher in the thermal imager, to fix the irradiation of the tank with a laser of the anti-tank guided missile system - these are perhaps the mandatory requirements for a modern tanker, but they are not there at all.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 14 August 2013 17: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Prokhor
      To see the grenade launcher in the thermal imager, to fix the irradiation of the tank with a laser of the anti-tank guided missile system - these are perhaps the mandatory requirements for a modern tanker, but they are not there at all.

      Ohoh, Sergey ...
      But these are really dreams, wishes of this kind I can write a lot more ...
      I would like this in mass training of tank crews, but when it will be, when they will convert the training grounds, when they will change the training system ...
      This is expensive.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 14 August 2013 17: 27 New
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        Infographics on the above topic.
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  38. Hauptam
    Hauptam 14 August 2013 18: 03 New
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    An idea that has the right to exist and long-term development. Who will participate there, conscripts or assy tankers? And then ran into a course of fire. This is the popularization of tank troops (and it’s only the Airborne Elite, no offense to them), and our advanced technology and military affairs in general, we must think who will come to replace now. Collective tank weapons are the work of the entire crew, hence the advanced training methods for military personnel. Serving interesting is really interesting !!!
  39. mithridate
    mithridate 14 August 2013 18: 23 New
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    this is an excellent form of combat training for the entire crew of the car
  40. mabuta
    mabuta 14 August 2013 20: 35 New
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    Honestly, I'm tired of this window dressing. Still, a springboard under the left (right) caterpillar and in the "barrel" for supastat and even two or three shots. There will be no more armada on the armada. Who hid better, crept up hush he won (if it comes to field battles).
  41. Ghost of darkness
    Ghost of darkness 14 August 2013 20: 58 New
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    introduce an analogue of shooting at flying saucers from the zk shilka and tp :) to train future commanders using the Blitzkrieg game :)
  42. Yemelya
    Yemelya 14 August 2013 21: 36 New
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    And the tankers also painted?

    You can also give out colored crayons, like in billiards, so that you can see who hit the target. smile
  43. 1961NNN
    1961NNN 14 August 2013 21: 50 New
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    .PR action - Sergey Kozhugetovich can’t get used to it! Inscriptions on the backs of tank crews - The Russian Army is so similar to the Russian Emergencies Ministry!
  44. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 14 August 2013 23: 45 New
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    Let the biathletes! good
    We get practice:
    - driving
    - observations
    - firing
    - coherence
    Some pluses, + prize !!
    I AM FOR! GOOD LUCK! drinks
  45. LM66
    LM66 15 August 2013 10: 21 New
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    What kind of combat training, you yourself believe it, they will select several crews, and they will be trained.
    Olympic champions have the same attitude to mass sport.
    And then the tank biathlon will begin with a star on channel 1, Dana Borisova the gunner, Moiseev for the mechanics in the blue tank. am smile
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  47. Klibanophoros
    Klibanophoros 20 August 2013 09: 38 New
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    Maybe it will become a national sport?

    Anyway, our roads are submissive only to Russian tanks ...
  48. Alexander Zlobinsky
    Alexander Zlobinsky 14 September 2013 20: 15 New
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    Tank biathlon .... About the premiere ... For a long time, NATO armies have been annually playing the Canadian Army Cup ... This is a competition in the combat training of tank platoons ... A detailed description is easy to find on the Web ...
    As for our ... Poorly presented, from a professional point of view, performance ... A show staged by youth entertainers ...
    I will ask the directors a few questions:
    1. Why did the colors of the targets match the colors of the tanks? Targets should have been the same, protective coloring. This would make it possible to evaluate the ability to detect targets. As an indicator - the crews of the "green" for a long time found their target at the firing line. The rest of the crews, if their goals were green, would also be inadequate. Conclusion - the level of combat training is extremely low. And the level of equipment of the tanks also does not correspond to the modern one.
    2. Shooting. Please tell me why aiming with a guided projectile takes 10-15 seconds. After all, it is controllable, and ultra-precise aiming is not required before the shot. After the shot, the flight is adjusted. Do not get hit by a rocket in such "sofa" weather conditions at a distance of 2 kilometers! And if the goal was at 4-5 kilometers. Again low level of training.
    3. Driving. The districts were to be represented by professionals. A professional driver will not fall from the railroad bridge. This is done by newcomers and stupid people. Again low level of training.

    From all that has been seen, one can conclude that this show does not popularize our Army, but disgraces it. God forbid to meet at the competition with the tankers of the Netherlands, Great Britain ... I will go to the TV Russia 1 website and leave them my comment on the competition. I would write to the Minister of Defense, but he won’t read it ...
  49. Arthur S
    Arthur S 14 October 2013 09: 42 New
    +1
    I looked at the Tank Biathlon and was horrified at the thought that these were the best tankers of our army!
    This is more like a show of glamorous boys, rather than the competition of real men ...
    I served in the GSVG. And what we saw in biathlon — to drive along the studied even terrain during the day and shoot 1800 meters from a motionless tank at a motionless target — this could be done “perfectly” by any driver and gunner who had just arrived from training . And after half a year of service with us, any mechanic the driver could drive through unfamiliar terrain at night, on impassable roads and without “falling” from the railroad bridge! And the gunner, the operator, without a miss shot at the movement of the tank and at moving targets. And these were conscript soldiers! And in biathlon, contract soldiers will not be able to hit a motionless target!
    Aren't you ashamed, Mr. Shoigu, for such an army training?
  50. Juleandr
    Juleandr 12 November 2013 22: 27 New
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    Tank biathlon is just awful ... And these are the best crews of the country !!! When military experts simulate a tank battle between the Russian Federation and the United States, claiming that the abrams will be destroyed in ATGMs at a distance of 5 km, even before they can get into the Russian tanks destruction zone, but in practice we see that the best crews in the country are not able to hit an ordinary mix ATGM at a distance of 2km !!!
    The organizers are not able to prepare the tanks for the competition or the tanks themselves have a "stunning" quality (In the international finals, 2 broken tanks out of 4 !!!)
    For such "well-aimed" shooting, crews should be awarded with a severe reprimand with a lowering in rank, and not show this disgrace in the media.
    For some reason, the MSTA-S self-propelled howitzer in the show was called "the most powerful howitzer, which has no analogues in the world" ... Propaganda lies or simple ignorance! ??? For example, the Pz2000 is superior to Mstu in all respects ...
    In short, only negative impressions were left from watching the show ...
    Damaged such a power, the army of which the whole world was afraid !!!! Sorry ... really sorry ...