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Ukrainian economy: disaster goes according to plan

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Ukrainian economy: disaster goes according to planAround the end of 2010, political analysts noticed a sharp change in the model of managing the economy of Ukraine. Not the most inaccurate description of the actions of the authorities was “how crazy they were.”


The “pokrashchennya” policy turned out that the authorities turned against themselves not only political opponents, but also many former supporters, which showed that the “regionals” lost two million votes in parliamentary elections. Having received a blank check for at least the next five years (she already considers the 2015 presidential race of the year already won), the authorities concentrated on solving a known task to her.

Although a stake on the head of the Teshi

The most secret document of Ukrainian foreign policy before 2008 was the package of documents on the terms of Ukraine’s accession to the WTO. There was something to hide: in order to “catch up and overtake Russia,” the negotiators agreed to almost any conditions, acting to the detriment of the country's national interests. What proved a package of requirements for the revision of tariffs immediately on 370 types of products that turned out to be unprofitable for the country. Few people remember that when it was formed, the list of unfavorable tariffs was reduced three times.

The evidence of the bondedness of the commitments to the WTO is filled with the materials of the committee hearings held in May of this year in the Verkhovna Rada following the results of five years of the country's membership in this international organization. Instead of the booming growth of the Ukrainian economy that was advertised, virtually all domestic manufacturing industries suffered from foreign trade rules.

Numerous calculations of profitability for industry and agriculture of integration with the States of the Customs Union and frank warnings about the serious consequences of concluding an Agreement on a Free Trade Area with the EU only strengthened the authorities' desire to sign this agreement at any time in November 2013.

A series of articles by the author with an analysis of the English version of the agreement showed his murderousness, not only for Ukrainian statehood, but also for the economy. What today is confirmed by followers who actively criticize the document on the officially published Ukrainian version.

Even the most ardent admirers of European integration in the person of deputies of the All-Ukrainian Union “Freedom” recognize the damage of the agreement, its deadly effect on the Ukrainian economy. However, neither the authorities nor the opposition are going to give up the jump into the abyss upside down in November.

Global trend

2012 year was marked in the traditionally industrialized United States, European Union, Russia, the beginning of the restoration of previously destroyed industry. The United States has begun to build new production facilities instead of those previously destroyed, have reopened many oil wells, increased the production of industrial equipment, automobiles, parts, engines, and consumer goods.

European Commissioner Antonio Tajani insists on a new industrial breakthrough in Europe: the share of industrial enterprises in the gross national product created in the EU should "increase by 2020% by the year 20".

He is supported by energy commissioner Günter Oettinger: “We need this 20% breakthrough.”

The course towards the re-industrialization of Russia, proclaimed after the arrival of Vladimir Putin for the third presidential term, began with supporting the modernization of enterprises of basic sectors of the economy, as well as the state program for the reconstruction of roads, the effectiveness of which the author saw with his own eyes during a car trip to the Urals.

In just a couple of years, not a single blast furnace will remain in Russia: metallurgical plants will finally switch to modern technologies. Practically all the largest automobile companies in the world have created or are building their production facilities in Russia.

Rapid industrial development is observed in other BRICS countries. Turkey is turning into an industrial giant, whose business circles are seriously considering complementing the above abbreviation with the letter “T”. Significant industrial growth is observed in the states of the Customs Union - Kazakhstan and Belarus.

De-industrialization of the whole country

The picture in the economy of Ukraine is just the opposite. After regaining its position after the 2008 crisis of the year, the industry for the second year in a row shows a steady downward trend.

According to the State Statistics Service, in the first quarter of 2013 of the year, GDP fell by 1,3%, industrial production - by 5%. In 2012, export of metal-roll fell by 7%, its domestic consumption decreased by 15%. Total exports of ferrous metals in 2012 year decreased compared to the previous year by 17%. In January-May, 2013 of the year compared to the same period of 2012 of the year - by another 12,5%.

Stakhanov Ferroalloy Plant for January-June 2013 of the year reduced production by 45,2% compared to the same period of 2012 of the year. Its load is 25,5% of the design capacity. Over the 2012 year, the reduction in production was 19%. In January-June 2013, the production of steel pipes in Ukraine decreased by 24% compared to the same period of 2012.

At the same time, Ukrainian metallurgical enterprises increased imports of iron ore by 32% in six months (for 2012 a year - by 72,3%). From 1 August 2013, Ukraine removes restrictions on the import of certain categories of steel pipes, which will force the national pipe manufacturers out of the national market, in addition to the fact that in January-June 2013, the production of steel pipes has already decreased by 24% compared to the same 2012 period of the year.

According to the data received from the People's Deputy of Ukraine Vladimir Boyko, the loading of the Khartsyzsk Tube-Rolling Plant is only 20% of capacity, and that is thanks to Russian orders. But this will soon come to an end: Russia has already refused to extend the quota for duty-free supply of Ukrainian pipes.

Research Director of Metal Consulting Consulting, a Russian consulting company, Vladimir Terlova explains the drop in purchases on the domestic metal market by the domination of imports: “Today, the country satisfies all equipment needs, both consumer (cars, household appliances ...) and industrial. imports ... Today, sales of rolled products within the country are almost exclusively sales of construction metal products, but even in this segment, Ukrainian metallurgists compete with higher-quality imported rolled products. ”

But this is not the whole truth. The production of cars in the country in the first half of this year decreased by 54,2%, only ZAZ reduced the production of passenger cars by 52%, the production of buses - by 72%. The decrease in production at the enterprise in 2012 amounted to 30%.

In total, over the past five years, the production of cars in Ukraine has decreased by 6 times, and out of 36, thousands of people employed in this industry have remained half. According to the results of the first four months of this year, oil and gas processing plants reduced gasoline production by 2,1 times, diesel fuel by 1,8 times, and black oil - by 2,5 times. That is, there is a rapid process of de-industrialization of Ukraine.

From the materials of the committee hearings "Ukraine-WTO: Benefits and Challenges for the National Economy", which were held on 22 in May at the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the Verkhovna Rada, one can learn more generalized information. The total decline in production in 2012 was 1,8%.

At the same time, the mining industry “fell” by 3,7%, the production of machinery and equipment by 10%, the production of electrical, electronic and optical equipment by 11,6%, electric motors and generators by 60,9%, transformers by 11,5%, finished metal products on 5,2%, coke and refined products - on 26,4%.

Imports are growing at an accelerating pace. In 2011, the volume of imported products increased by 33,8%, in 2012, by another 14,7%. There is a steady displacement of Ukrainian products from the domestic market. In 2012, the share of such goods in stores was 58,9%, having decreased over the year by 3 points.

Production volumes in the light industry decreased by 40-45%, exports fell by 28,4% while imports grew by 45,9%, the negative trade balance increased 7,6 times. According to the Ministry of Industrial Policy of Ukraine, in the period from 2007 to 2012, the share of imports in the domestic market increased: in the furniture industry - from 41,2 to 75,6%, the supply of refrigeration and freezing equipment - from 77,7 to 83,1%, agricultural engineering - from 76,5 to 79,8% , passenger cars - from 41,1 to 82,8%.

Who benefits?

The “golden rule” of the Roman legal system was the thesis “look for who benefits”. However, it will not take long to search. The analysis of the International Center for Advanced Studies "Assessing the Impact of the Free Trade Agreement between Ukraine and the EU" states that one of the positive effects of the FTA Agreement with the EU will be the rapid saturation of the Ukrainian market with inexpensive, high-quality goods from Europe.

That is, the country is viewed by the European Union as a market for its consumer goods, which will cause (according to the ICMP analysis) increased competition of local goods with imports, a glut in the domestic market with imports, and liquidation of small enterprises due to external competitive pressure. That is, it is officially recognized that the FTA with the European Union is beneficial to Europe as a way to acquire a new sales market. At the same time, the Ukrainian industry will be destroyed, crushed in competition.

Quote: “De-industrialization, in any case, for Ukraine, the process is favorable. Industry is capital and labor. In the long term, precisely as an industrial country, Ukraine is unlikely to be competitive. Like all countries of the middle belt. Workers living in these countries have to pay more, if only because it’s colder here. In tropical and subtropical countries there is no need to spend money on heating and warm things. Consequently, they can provide labor-intensive production with cheap labor and will have more competitive advantages. Thus, Ukraine has neither cheap labor nor a favorable economic climate. The latter is fixable due to the rapprochement with Europe, and not with the countries of the Common Economic Space or the Customs Union. ”

This is not the private opinion of any student who has read European Union propaganda. This is the official position of the Center for Social and Economic Research "CASE Ukraine", voiced by its plenipotentiary. And this Center itself is a partner organization of the Ministry of Economy, Ministry of Finance, State Property Fund, State Tax Administration, National Bank of Ukraine.

This Center is responsible for the implementation of the macroeconomic reform project of the Harvard Institute, developed for Ukraine in 1990-s. The main customers of the Center’s research for the listed Ukrainian institutions are the European Commission, the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Poland, and the World Bank.

Among other recommendations, CASE Ukraine is everything that Europe and the USA have been demanding for many years: a free land market (including agricultural land), the possibility of selling land to foreigners, the elimination of protectionist measures against Ukrainian industry, access to oil and gas production, energy supply, utilities services of foreigners. And also - the elimination of certification of foreign goods, the licensing system in the construction industry, the separation of the railway monopoly and the privatization of railways, the elimination of natural monopolies and their transfer to private hands.

All this and much more can be found in the “Concept of Ukraine’s Economic Development in 2008-2015”, prepared by the Effective Governance Foundation, the most influential in government circles. Under whose dictation recommendations were written, it is well known - this is the former head of the Directorate General for Enlargement at the European Commission; former Senior Manager for European Affairs at the US National Security Council; Director for European Economic Affairs and Relations with the European Union; former director of the IMF and EBRD in Ukraine, director of Morgan Stanley Ukraine; ex-deputy director general of the European Commission's trade department; ex-president of the National Bank of Hungary; ex-prime minister of canada.

The only difference between the PMT document and the CASE Ukraine recommendations is that the document contains plans for economic recovery. However, the course towards Ukrainian deindustrialization, which surprisingly coincided with the course towards European and American reindustrialization, appeared much later. Nevertheless, the overwhelming majority of the remaining recommendations of the “Concept” no less surprisingly coincided with the obligations of Ukraine, enshrined in the Agreement with the EU.

Politics - a concentrated expression of the economy

Analyzing the composition of the committees of the Verkhovna Rada of previous convocations, the author came to the conclusion that by filling them with representatives of political forces, one can predict the main trends in the development of Ukrainian society. Including - the economic priorities of those in power.

So, the top three absolute leaders in terms of the number of parliamentary committees in the new convocation included the Budget Committee, the Tax and Customs Policy Committee and the Agrarian Policy and Land Relations Committee.

If the budget committee, which allows you to lobby for the allocation of budget funds in the interests of the industry, enterprise or region, as well as tax and customs issues, is clear, then the last committee in the top three is far from even the Industrial Policy Committee. Why did it happen?

Yes, with the fact that Ukraine will have to cancel the moratorium on the sale of agricultural land after signing the Agreement on a Free Trade Area with the EU. And if there is still a ban on the sale of Ukrainian lands to foreigners, then, according to the same agreement, Kiev is obliged to unconditionally comply with all EU directives and regulations, which will be adopted after its signing.

And although the agreement states that foreign citizens and enterprises will have to be allowed on equal terms with citizens of Ukraine and Ukrainian enterprises to any tenders, any competitive sales of state property, for organizing such equality for a rather long period. Which can be used in far from public interests. In the meantime, the court and the case, prepare the ground for everything to turn out quickly, accurately and inexpensively.

Man is what he eats

The promises that an independent Ukraine, if not tomorrow, then the day after tomorrow, will feed all of Europe and the whole world, have been feeding the people of the country since the end of 1980's. However, today she is not able to feed even herself.

After joining the WTO, the arithmetic average rate of import tariffs for Ukrainian agricultural products is 11,6% and is the lowest among WTO member countries.

For comparison: the protection of the EU agricultural market is 19,5%, Canada - 18%, Turkey - 41,7%, Switzerland - 43,5%, Norway - 55,8%. Poland, when joining the WTO, got the right to 52% tariff on agriculture, Hungary - 22%, and Romania - 98%.

The share of dairy products, a highly processed export product, declined in total exports of agricultural products from 5,8% in 2008 to 2,7% in 2012. Exported milk powder, which occupied 31,8% in the structure of dairy products, for the period 2008-2012 . decreased to 20,4%, and in the price measurement, and in all 2 times. At the same time, the production of certain types of dairy products becomes unprofitable.

The growth of export indicators give products of low degree of processing, the proportion of which is dynamically growing. While in 2008, their part in total exports was 62%, then by 2012, it rose to 71%. And the new export “skates” of Ukraine - sunflower, soybean, and rapeseed - deplete our world famous chernozems and lead to their degradation. Agricultural enterprises of Ukraine, with the exception of small ones, sold 2013 of the year for 11% less agricultural products in January-June than for the first 6 months of 2012 of the year.

Ukraine cannot provide itself with meat. Meat imports in 2012 increased almost 2 times, and in price terms - in 2,5 times, while pork imports in 2011 increased 2,3 times compared to 2007. The Ukrainian market seizes imported fat from Poland, Germany and Holland .

The same picture with fruit and vegetable products: in 2008-2012. imports of fruits and vegetables increased by one and a half times, and at the expense of cucumbers, tomatoes, apples, apricots, peaches, etc., traditional for Ukraine.

In January-June 2013, sales of crop production decreased by 23%. For the first six months, sales of wheat decreased by 48,3%, barley - by 2,8%, corn - by 14,6%.

Due to the nullification of import duties on alcohol products from January 2011, the production of grape wines for only 6 months decreased by 41,3%. Due to competitive pressure, Ukrainian sugar mills closed 50, Ukrainian producers lost 11% of the domestic market, and the total number of jobs lost in the sugar and pig industries was 500 thousand. According to sugar producers in the year 2013, sugar production will decline another third.

The end is someone's beginning

What Ukraine’s de-industrialization will lead to is well known: hundreds of thousands of people will remain without means of subsistence. This is not hidden by the guardians of European integration. For example, the ICMP’s analysis of the negative consequences of the entry into force of the FTA Agreement with the EU lists: increased unemployment due to bankruptcies, reduction in the number of employees, brain drain, loss of workers, and eventually a decrease in population. Not only and not so much because of the increase in mortality in an already gradually dying country. First of all, because of labor migration: people will simply have to leave to feed themselves and their families.

From the point of view of European integrators, this is correct! Today, too many people live in Ukraine, because of which it is impossible neither to feed Europe, nor to provide it with raw materials and energy.

The first steps in this direction are already being taken: in the press from time to time, messages about the interest of transnational agricultural corporations in the creation of enterprises in Ukraine skip. According to media reports, Saudi Arabia and Libya have already launched projects of agro-giants, designed to deliver all the manufactured products to these countries.

One of the world leaders in genetically modified products is expanding its production on Ukrainian black soil. The United States, through the mouth of its ambassador, declares that it is ready to purchase all the Ukrainian agricultural products produced in the event Ukraine signs the FTA Agreement with the EU.

Since the adoption of the Land Code, the Ukrainian embassies in Europe have attacked ten or two hectares of chernozem land for speculative purposes. What all this will lead to is known from the experience of Argentina, where, according to the recommendations of the IMF and the World Bank, most of the land was transferred at first simply to private ownership, and was soon bought by foreign agrofirms.

As a result of the introduction of intensive technologies by them, the majority of rural residents remained without work and were forced to eat bread, potatoes, vegetables and meat, which were not produced on their former lands, but corn tortillas. Since all of these products are exported from the country.

As for the industrial Donbass, on which deindustrialization will hit first of all, then there was a use for local lands that are unsuitable for agriculture. They are given to the British-Dutch company Shell for the eternal use of shale gas. Extraction of which, by the way, is prohibited in England, and now in France. Given away on such conditions that the government will force the property of Ukraine’s citizens to be taken away if Shell wishes.

No matter how monstrous the conclusion that the de-industrialization and depopulation of Ukraine are deliberately carried out, it is the only one that reasonably explains what is happening with the Ukrainian economy. Unless, of course, soberly assess the situation and do not assume that the Ukrainian politicians from both the government and the opposition have been massively crazy.
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  1. makst83
    makst83 14 August 2013 10: 17 New
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    Ukraine, what's wrong with you !? Where are you going!? Well, who will take you there, who needs you, beggar, skinned, hungry !? Do you think that the locomotives of the EU, Germany and France, will welcome you into the European family with open arms .... why would they need another dependent! From the appearance of the nameplate "member of the European Union" problems will not be solved and you will not live on another land. My country, offers to be the bride of a wealthy husband, we will dress you and feed you, give you some money, and we propose to be the wife of a husband of the same blood as you! We offer you EQUALITY, TRUST, UNION, and you choose the European way, where your citizens will carry the ship out of the old sodomite or repair the "zakanny" toilets of the pot-bellied burgher, hawala GMOs and stand with an outstretched hand forever! Think it over before it's too late, we are waiting for you!
    1. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak 14 August 2013 18: 53 New
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      Quote: makst83
      Ukraine, what is wrong with you !? Where are you going!? Well, who will take you there, who needs you, poor, ragged, hungry !?

      Ukraine needs FREEDOM, only which one no one knows!
      1. Kars
        Kars 14 August 2013 18: 59 New
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        Quote: makst83
        Ukraine, what's wrong!

        What's wrong with her? Yes, nothing special. Someone wants someone to crawl asks in the vehicle.

        This was reported by the Federation of Employers of Ukraine (FRU), which appealed to the Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov with a request to help as soon as possible to solve the problems at the intergovernmental level that began to arise in Ukrainian exporting enterprises at Russian customs.
        Problems with Ukrainian exporters with customs clearance at the customs of the Russian Federation began to arise from the 20th of July. This is evidenced by the appeals of enterprises to the FRU, received over the past two weeks.
        The management of these enterprises reports that they have problems at Russian customs. This is expressed in the fact that vehicles that transport the products of Ukrainian producers on the border of the Russian Federation are subject to complete unreasonable verification, including unloading, outweighing cargo, loading back.
        The Federation of Employers of Ukraine notes that all this leads to an increase in the downtime of wagons and other vehicles, and as a result, increases the cost or disruption of the supply of goods, spoilage of products, and also undermines the position of Ukrainian producers in the Russian Federation.
        At the same time, the Russian market is critically important for many Ukrainian enterprises, as it allows them to earn working capital and pay wages to their employees.
        According to the FRU, from 00:00 on August 14 to the "risk group" of the risk management system of the Federal Customs Service of the Russian Federation, to the first four dozen enterprises that arrived there in July of this year, all Ukrainian exporters were added without exception
        1. Fastblast
          Fastblast 14 August 2013 19: 20 New
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          Muddy muddy, in fact.

          The FRU is led by the famous businessman Dmitry Firtash. And he owns just those enterprises that allegedly suffered.
          1. 225chay
            225chay 15 August 2013 11: 15 New
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            Quote: Fastblast
            Muddy muddy, in fact.

            The FRU is led by the famous businessman Dmitry Firtash.

            It seems Ukraine is specifically destroying ...
            But she had what kind of industry
            1. Fastblast
              Fastblast 15 August 2013 13: 02 New
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              Yes, nothing seems to you, everything is so.
              Was yes floated, on the river Styx ...
              I really hope that someday, those who pushed the huge industrial sector into this very river will respond with all severity and justice.

              Now, the main task, this will provide the population of Ukraine with honest and transparent, and most importantly understandable, information about the pros and cons of joining the CU and the EU. The main task is for the Ukrainians to consciously make their choice.
        2. krasin
          krasin 14 August 2013 19: 59 New
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          And how do you like ?? You are SEPARATE INDEPENDENT STATE. For our account you want fish and even carrots. We have enough of our own problems. You’ll be devoured, but we’re still kicking. RUSSIA STANDED AND WILL STAND! (Maybe unfortunately without you)
          1. Fastblast
            Fastblast 14 August 2013 20: 26 New
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            Oh...)))
            Stop already in this vein of dialogue and generally be indignant, you will not prove anything to anyone with a neurostenny capsule, dear.
            WE, in my person, cited a quote from which it can be understood that dealing with the customs of the Russian Federation is not as simple as it seems.
          2. Good Ukraine
            Good Ukraine 14 August 2013 23: 31 New
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            hi
            Quote: krasin
            And how do you like ??


            We want the Russian Federation to buy shitty products from us at a huge price, we buy gas and oil products at your domestic prices (or better, cheaper), and we lived in Europe. And yet: we will criticize the Russian Federation and Putin and substitute the withers for stroking from the US and the EU.
            How do you want it? if all presidents of Ukraine:
            Kuchma is just a threesome,
            Yushchenko is a traitor
            Yanukovych is a thieves thimble who did not draw any conclusions about what happened to Milosevic, Gaddafi, Mubarek, Assad. All of them at some point decided to turn to the West (one Assad woke up in time). So what??? Where are they??? Yanukovych thinks he will be lucky. - An eccentric man.
            1. Dilshat
              Dilshat 15 August 2013 02: 53 New
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              It’s not clear what happened to the leadership of Ukraine? Was it attacked by psychotropic weapons? Did they use NLP techniques against them? Maybe the Voodoo sorcerers walked on them? Hitler could only dream of such a thing. God save and save Russia from such a fate. It remains only to pray for Ukrainians that would not have suffered the fate of the Indians.
              1. ATATA
                ATATA 15 August 2013 06: 40 New
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                Quote: Dilshat
                It is not clear what happened to the leadership of Ukraine? What was attacked by psychotropic weapons?

                Of course!
                But this psychotropic weapon is greenish-colored rectangular pieces of paper with the inscription
                "Annuit Coeptis" ("He blesses our enterprise") and "Novus Ordo Seclorum" ("New order of all time"), and also in god we trust (We believe in God)
                Here is such a psychotropic weapon. hi
              2. O_RUS
                O_RUS 12 May 2014 19: 49 New
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                Quote: Dilshat
                It’s not clear what happened to the leadership of Ukraine? What was attacked by psychotropic weapons? Applied NLP techniques against them? Maybe sorcerers


                they showed her a penny and do whatever you like with her (Xinjiang Industrial Building)
                officially received at its disposal for 50 years 30 thousand square meters. km of Ukraine - maybe someone read about it
        3. avt
          avt 14 August 2013 20: 57 New
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          Quote: Kars
          What's wrong with her? Yes, nothing special. Someone wants someone to crawl asks in the vehicle.

          No, just someone, Namely P..Aahh what a man! He began to separate, as by the way he had long warned and promised flies from cutlets. Do not believe me - ask the Old Man, yen knows, yen has already gone through this. laughing
          1. Kars
            Kars 14 August 2013 21: 19 New
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            Quote: avt
            He began to separate, as by the way he had long warned and promised flies from cutlets.

            And why does he not behave like this with gay-European goods? There is LHPT and so on)) Israel bombing Syria - how did Jewish goods begin to be crushed at customs?
            1. avt
              avt 14 August 2013 21: 39 New
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              Quote: Kars
              And why does he not behave like this with gay-European goods? There is LHPT and so on)) Israel bombing Syria - how did Jewish goods begin to be crushed at customs?

              And heg knows him, I don’t know the guys. laughing He knows better, probably distinguishes that the coward is Jawdeth, the warrior Abdula. laughing
            2. DEMENTIY
              DEMENTIY 14 August 2013 22: 01 New
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              And why does he not behave like this with geyropeyskimi goods? Kars
              -----------------------------------------------------------------------
              Anrey’s answer (I’m sorry if my memory fails me) is very simple - my brother was offended by his kindred and his brother always hurts more painfully, because knows your weak points very well. And by the way, he’s hitting the job now - it wasn’t a good idea to turn his ass to him.
              I know you are an optimist and begin to slowly envy you.
              1. Kars
                Kars 14 August 2013 22: 26 New
                +1
                Quote: DEMENTIY
                the brother is offended by his kindred and the brother always beats more painfully,

                Or maybe he is not a brother at all?
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 04: 30 New
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                  Quote: Kars

                  Or maybe he is not a brother at all?

                  Yes, we are Russian enemies wink Repeat it every day, but rather write it down so as not to forget.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 15 August 2013 09: 49 New
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                    Sasha is wrong! Mi russikiy occupant robbed Ukraine all his life. Look 20 years of independent blooms and smells.
                    I am ashamed of the Russians who oppressed you. wassat
                    In the EU, under suicidal conditions, it would be very familiar wassat
                  2. Kars
                    Kars 15 August 2013 10: 03 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Yes, we Russian enemies repeat it every day, but rather write it down so as not to forget.

                    Well, I'm more inclined towards neighbors. Too much about myself.
              2. Egoza
                Egoza 14 August 2013 23: 29 New
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                Quote: DEMENTIY
                And by the way, he’s hitting the job now - it wasn’t a good idea to turn his ass to him.

                Absolutely right! One example with Poroshenko, what is it worth, which receives from the Russian Federation for sweets "according to experts, in real money it is about 150-200 million US dollars annually. Or, translated into Ukrainian" tugriks "- 1,6 billion hryvnia!
                Few people know about yet another Russian interest in the Vinnitsa nationalist Poroshenko. It is not the first year that he owns his own production of the legendary Soviet “confectionery” - the Lipetsk confectionery factory!
                But again, I want to return to the essence and flesh of the Ukrainian bourgeois. Opponent of integration with Russia and an ardent anti-adviser makes BILLION incomes on these very neighbors, owns his own factories there, and trumpets on TV and in his political activities about the “inefficiency” of the Customs Union and integration with Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan. "
                http://www.vremia.ua/rubrics/problemy/4277.php
            3. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 04: 28 New
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              Quote: Kars
              And why doesn’t he behave like this with geyropey goods?

              But Putin didn’t say that if signed with the EU, there will be sanctions. This is the answer to your question - why. Warned -warned what the question is, and from your words, the EU markets are preferable for you, give proximity to the financial sector. So you can only rejoice, you really wanted to.
              1. Kars
                Kars 15 August 2013 10: 05 New
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                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                But Putin didn’t say that if signed with the EU, there will be sanctions

                In general, the question was not so - why such selectivity? Weak European manufacturers to coward?
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                . So you can only rejoice, you wanted this.

                Well, I didn’t want this, I am satisfied with equal conditions with Europeans, Israel, etc. But since there’s something to be done, there are enough tyrants.
            4. Rosomaha67
              Rosomaha67 15 August 2013 13: 35 New
              +1
              .... there "partners" are old, everything is clear with them, but you can't tell what "brotherly gift" to wait for, so they show you how it will be, well, so that you can get ready right away .......
          2. Dilshat
            Dilshat 15 August 2013 02: 56 New
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            Yes, there if someone comes, then only the sucked and dried mummy crawls in. And do we need it?
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 04: 25 New
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          Quote: Kars
          . Someone wants someone to crawl asks in the vehicle.

          And someone is crawling and asking for help in the EU. Kars, you are kind of connected with dairy products there, you wrote something like that, if I’m not mistaken. Well, let's push your products to the EU wink As MIGnews.com.ua reported, the press service of the Federation of Employers of Ukraine (FRU) said that the Russian Customs Service from August 14, 2013 included in the list of “risky” all Ukrainian importers, without exception, which blocked the supply of goods from Ukraine for an indefinite period of time. . How long will it last?
          1. Kars
            Kars 15 August 2013 10: 07 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And someone is crawling and asking for help in the EU. Kars, you are kind of connected with dairy products there, you wrote something like that, if I’m not mistaken. Well, let's push your products to the EU

            So we are pushing from the Cheese wave, we have not sent a gram to the Russian Federation since that moment. In Kazakhstan, they have not touched transit yet, it goes through a Kazakh daughter.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            How long will it last?

            Do not cancel yet.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 10: 14 New
              +2
              Quote: Kars
              So we’re pushing from the Cheese wave, from the moment we don’t send a gram to the Russian Federation

              Yeah, Azarov sits counts losses
              Quote: Kars
              Do not cancel yet.
              Until your head or the road to the EU without us.
              By the way, I’ll invest in one comment if prices have been revised that Ukraine will not sue wink I already remember going, but never went laughing
              1. Kars
                Kars 15 August 2013 12: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Yeah, Azarov sits counts losses

                And what about you? You specifically asked about
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                .Well, push your products to the EU

                And our plants also reduced their use by 90%, by the way, they also modernized minus one million cubic meters in Zaporizhstal. Still, they also send hot water from open-hearth furnaces for housing and communal services.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                By the way, I’ll invest in one comment if prices have been revised, which Ukraine will not sue. I already remember going, but never went


                These are legal troubles, it’s more profitable for Gazprom to file a lawsuit.
          2. avia12005
            avia12005 15 August 2013 18: 50 New
            +1
            Glory to the heroes! Ukrainian is a mental illness. This being does not understand that Ukraine was not part of Russia, it was Russia that lived as one with Russia.
        5. dmitrich
          dmitrich 15 August 2013 05: 24 New
          +3
          judging by this comment, they are not threatened with a brain drain.
      2. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq 14 August 2013 19: 16 New
        +6
        Quote: Sibiryak
        Ukraine needs FREEDOM, only which one no one knows!

        I wonder from what, freedom ????????
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 14 August 2013 19: 33 New
          +5
          Quote: ziqzaq
          I wonder from what, freedom ????????

          Yes from ourselves!
          But this is the freedom of a fool.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 14 August 2013 23: 31 New
          12
          Quote: ziqzaq
          I wonder from what, freedom ????????

          From the normal life that was under the USSR.
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 04: 30 New
          -1
          Quote: ziqzaq
          I wonder from what, freedom ???

          And hell knows.
      3. avt
        avt 14 August 2013 21: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Sibiryak
        Ukraine needs FREEDOM, only which one no one knows!

        request Elementary - ,, .... Freedom is terrible and in every possible way to sin, to sin and to be frightened and subdued. "I do not like Gorky, but here he deftly noticed our Slavic trait.
      4. 53-Sciborskiy
        53-Sciborskiy 15 August 2013 11: 50 New
        +2
        - Why is there no meat in Ukraine?
        - Because the pigs became people, the cows got married, got married, the rams defended their dissertation and ruled the country, and the chickens died laughing ...
    2. MG42
      MG42 14 August 2013 18: 59 New
      18
      Quote: makst83
      Ukraine, what is wrong with you !? Where are you going!?

      Ukraine is rather an object than a subject in the international arena.
      A strong state must rely on a strong economy and army, there is neither one nor the other in Ukraine, so the path of independence is unrealistic ..
      1. 755962
        755962 14 August 2013 20: 21 New
        16
        About the consequences, do not want to think about ???

        Then you (Ukrainian) here ..
        Article Eurointegration or how to surrender your country without war, and on the consequences of joining the EU on the example of Latvia.
        http://nstarikov.ru/club/29774
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 14 August 2013 22: 04 New
      +7
      Ukrainian economy: disaster goes according to plan
      And here, it seems, it’s not according to plan !? request
    4. vjhbc
      vjhbc 15 August 2013 15: 00 New
      +1
      why persuade the suicide to stop it’s his questions he wants to die let him go there and if someone wants to persuade then at least persuade you want to die please but don’t die quietly satisfied and put on a shahid’s belt and explode in the camp of our common enemies
      Quote: makst83
      Ukraine, what's wrong with you !? Where are you going!? Well, who will take you there, who needs you, beggar, skinned, hungry !? Do you think that the locomotives of the EU, Germany and France, will welcome you into the European family with open arms .... why would they need another dependent! From the appearance of the nameplate "member of the European Union" problems will not be solved and you will not live on another land. My country, offers to be the bride of a wealthy husband, we will dress you and feed you, give you some money, and we propose to be the wife of a husband of the same blood as you! We offer you EQUALITY, TRUST, UNION, and you choose the European way, where your citizens will carry the ship out of the old sodomite or repair the "zakanny" toilets of the pot-bellied burgher, hawala GMOs and stand with an outstretched hand forever! Think it over before it's too late, we are waiting for you!
    5. karbofos
      karbofos 15 August 2013 15: 25 New
      0
      Guys are a little off topic. we go in and, if possible, insert our five cents. http://vk.com/accession_to_usa ?? Such freaks still need to search
  2. biglow
    biglow 14 August 2013 16: 51 New
    29
    Ukraine is sinking. At the beginning of the 90s there were those who said that Ukraine as a state would be able to live 25 years on Soviet groundwork, and the cat is just this period and it fits and we see the result. It seems that the forecast is justified ..
    1. MG42
      MG42 14 August 2013 19: 03 New
      11
      Quote: biglow
      Ukraine is sinking. At the beginning of the 90s there were those who said that Ukraine as a state would be able to live 25 years in Soviet territory

      The impending catastrophe in the housing and communal services utilities sector is especially felt, the overwhelming majority of networks are still Soviet, the pipes are rotten, and the price of imported gas will complete this collapse ... however, like the population default crisis ..
      1. biglow
        biglow 14 August 2013 19: 08 New
        +5
        Quote: MG42
        Quote: biglow
        Ukraine is sinking. At the beginning of the 90s there were those who said that Ukraine as a state would be able to live 25 years in Soviet territory

        The impending catastrophe in the housing and communal services utilities sector is especially felt, the overwhelming majority of networks are still Soviet, the pipes are rotten, and the price of imported gas will complete this collapse ... however, like the population default crisis ..

        In the Crimea, on the skirt where the development is underway, all communications are still changing to new ones, the old load is no longer pulling. And in other areas of course complete darkness
        1. MG42
          MG42 14 August 2013 20: 10 New
          10
          The people have become so impoverished that they steal not only railway rails for metal and power transmission line supports, cemetery fences and cast-iron hatches of sewer collectors, but here is another case out of the ordinary >>>

          A plate from the Eternal Flame pedestal in Kiev was stolen for scrap
          24 July 2013 | 16: 42
          Two young people stole a brass plate from the Eternal Flame pedestal in Kiev's Glory Park in order to turn it over for scrap.
          According to the public relations department of the Central Internal Affairs Directorate of Ukraine in Kiev, a couple of men who carried a fragment of metal decorative decoration noticed a foot outfit of the patrol service of the Pechersky district department of the Moscow police in the area of ​​the Glory Park.
          Unknown, seeing the police, accelerated a step in the direction of the bus stop. However, law enforcement officers asked them to stop and present documents. To the question of what they were carrying and where they got it, the men could not answer.
          As it turned out, they removed the brass plate from the pedestal of the Eternal Flame in order to hand it over to the metal collection point, "they expected to get a lot of money and go for it."
          The suspects were taken to the Pechersk district police department, material evidence was seized.
          With respect to both detainees, criminal proceedings have been initiated under subsection 2 (185) of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (theft). The sanction of article prescribes punishment in the form of imprisonment for a term of up to 5 years.


          http://ru.golos.ua/incident/13_07_24_pyanyie_vandalyi_ukrali_plitu_s_postamenta_


          vechnogo_ognya_v_kieve

          1. Tersky
            Tersky 14 August 2013 22: 07 New
            13
            Quote: MG42
            The people have become so impoverished that it’s not only railway tracks for metal and power transmission poles, cemetery fences and cast-iron hatches of sewer collectors that steal

            Russia also attacked such a rake, there were fences, and hatches, and slabs from pedestals. With disgust and a shudder, I remember those times ... However, they crawled out ..., they could. I wish this to Ukraine.
            1. MG42
              MG42 14 August 2013 22: 17 New
              +9
              and so it was in winter 2012 >>
              Due to the looting of three unemployed people on power lines in the area of ​​the village of Kachkarovka, Zaporizhia region, Ukraine began importing Russian electricity. Recall that three unemployed in the Zaporizhzhya region decided to dismantle for scrap metal forty-meter power line support. The power line collapsed, which led to an accident on the power lines and the shutdown of power units of nuclear power plants and thermal power plants. The damaged main line provided electricity from the Zaporizhzhya NPP to industrial enterprises of Donbass. Fortunately, the protective systems of the nuclear power plant worked and Chernobyl did not recur in Zaporozhye.

              The economic consequences of the actions of the marauders were very serious. From February 1, Ukraine began importing Russian electricity and at the same time stopped its export to Belarus and Moldova.

              http://jankoy.org.ua/ukraina-nachala-import-rossijskoj-elektroenergii/

              Could still dig pipelines, also on metal ..
              1. yankeegohome
                yankeegohome 14 August 2013 23: 01 New
                +8
                Do not believe it, it was. The people were so carried away with pulling out the pipes of the irrigation system that at the same time they pulled out the main water supply. The whole city was left without water. :)))
                1. MG42
                  MG42 14 August 2013 23: 24 New
                  +6
                  Quote: yankeegohome
                  Do not believe it, it was. The people were so carried away with pulling out the pipes of the irrigation system that at the same time they pulled out the main water supply. The whole city was left without water.

                  I saw such a report on TV >>

                  The Prosecutor's Office of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea reported that on July 20 the Simferopol Interdistrict Environmental Prosecutor’s Office opened a criminal case against employees of an agricultural company in the Bakhchisarai district who dug up and sold land reclamation systems.
                  As the press service of the Crimean prosecutor's office told Kommersant, according to the current legislation, the on-farm reclamation systems of the former collective farms are subject to free transfer to communal ownership, but the heads of the agricultural firm decided to sell the pipeline. This May they dug up the Peschanoye-Beregovoye pipeline with a length of 1,18 km and sold it. The defendants earned their 9 thousand hryvnias from the illegal transaction by removing 0,12 hectares of land from the agricultural turnover, the fertile layer of which was disturbed when dismantling the pipes.
                  The Simferopol Interdistrict Environmental Prosecutor’s Office qualified the actions of officials of the agricultural firm in accordance with part 2 of article 364 (abuse of power), part 2 of article 191 (misappropriation, embezzlement of money or seizure by abuse of official position).

                  Simferopol
              2. MG42
                MG42 15 August 2013 01: 14 New
                +5
                A picture from the scene of a broken power line in the Zaporozhye region. >>
                To fill up such a support, we still have to try ..
            2. Stamp
              Stamp 15 August 2013 01: 41 New
              +5
              Quote: Tersky
              Russia also attacked such a rake, there were fences, and hatches, and slabs from pedestals.

              In the Glory Park in Kiev, you can say the main Eternal Flame, and even if it was broken, then what can we say about the monuments in villages and cemeteries!
              Something he gets, then the fried eggs with sausages on it were fried by three girls who are not quite adequate.
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 14 August 2013 22: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: MG42
        The impending catastrophe in the utilities sector of the housing and communal services is especially felt, the vast majority of networks are still Soviet, the pipes are rotten,

        Our situation is similar .......
      3. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 14 August 2013 22: 26 New
        -9
        Quote: MG42
        The impending catastrophe in the utilities sector of the housing and communal services is especially felt, the vast majority of networks are still Soviet, the pipes are rotten,


        main pipe the wire to which my house is connected is brand new
        Who wants to ... works in Ukraine and has a decent salary
        1. MG42
          MG42 14 August 2013 22: 35 New
          +7
          Quote: I am a Russian
          main pipe the wire to which my house is connected is brand new

          You are from Ukraine? So what is under the Russian flag?
          In my Stalin-era house, the pipes have not changed since the day they were built in the attic, changed for my money above my apartment, there is still asbestos insulation in a wooden braid .. no one plans to change the whole kirdyk in the rest of the attic ..
          Yes, in new buildings, perhaps, new pipes, so housing is now in construction in Ukraine in full touch because there is practically no demand from customers ..

          Yes, the mains can be repaired when the leaks begin, and the house networks since the time of construction in 90% of houses.

          30.07.2013 15:30
          In Ukraine, apartment sales fell 3 times - study

          Due to the introduction of restrictions on cash settlements on the Ukrainian real estate market, there was a strong subsidence in the number of transactions, instead of the planned increased demand that some experts predicted.
          This was reported by analysts of the site of private ads Slando, having studied the offers and demand for apartments and houses in Ukraine.
          As the results of the study showed, in the period from May to July, the number of transactions in the real estate market decreased significantly. Sales of apartments fell three-fold, and sales of houses quadrupled. It is noted that in addition to the seasonal factor, when the number of sales traditionally falls in the summer, the decrease in the number of transactions was also influenced by the desire of sellers to earn on the hype, which, according to some experts, should have arisen due to the introduction of restrictions on cash settlements from September 1, 2013.
          Compared to the prices recorded in May, the cost of real estate increased by 5-10%. Moreover, given that there were no economic prerequisites for price increases, it can be said that the rise in price was due only to the desire to “hit the jackpot” during high demand, which did not happen.


          http://news.finance.ua/ru/~/1/0/all/2013/07/30/306333
          1. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 14 August 2013 22: 40 New
            -3
            я RUSSIAN and proud of it!

            I’m going to Ukraine to work. I will repeat myself - whoever wants to - works in Ukraine and has a good salary
            1. MG42
              MG42 14 August 2013 22: 45 New
              +7
              Quote: I am a Russian
              I am RUSSIAN and proud of it!

              I'm leaving for Ukraine to work

              Russian zarobitchanin in Ukraine? laughing Perhaps a rare case .. mostly ours go to Russia to earn money ..
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 04: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: MG42
                Russian zarobitchanin in Ukraine?

                It’s interesting for him. laughing
                1. MG42
                  MG42 15 August 2013 13: 01 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  It’s interesting for him.

                  Troll on the floor bet. laughing The bid is not paid because it is not disguised as high-quality ..
              2. I am a Russian
                I am a Russian 16 August 2013 23: 01 New
                -1
                I have excellent earnings in Ukraine. I have technical education
          2. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 15 August 2013 07: 59 New
            -7
            Quote: MG42

            Yes, the mains can be repaired when the leaks begin, and the house networks since the time of construction in 90% of houses.


            This is all nonsense! The sole purpose of such scribbles ... to cause pity, to achieve freebies.

            Quote: MG42
            mostly ours go to Russia to earn money ..


            going ... lazy

            Quote: I am a Russian
            who wants - he works in Ukraine and has a good salary
            1. MG42
              MG42 15 August 2013 12: 56 New
              +2
              Quote: I am a Russian
              This is all nonsense! The sole purpose of such scribbles ... to cause pity, to achieve freebies.

              To be rude, I repaired the heating pipes for my money, what a freebie? Refute that in Ukraine housing and communal services are in perfect order.
              In Ukraine, the population debt for housing and communal services in May 2013 11 billion 966,9 million UAH, the average debt of the population for all services was 3,1 months. This was reported by the State Statistics Service (Gosstat).

              Quote: I am a Russian
              going ... lazy

              i.e. Ukrainian. zarobitchane lazy, On the contrary, they bring a very significant influx of currency to Ukraine. You are not in the subject completely.
              The inflow of money from the “earned money” in 2013 will be at least $ 7 billion - expert
              http://newsradio.com.ua/rus/2013_07_01/Pritok-deneg-ot-zarobitchan-v-2013-m-godu


              -sostavit-ne-menee-7-mlrd-dollarov-jekspert /
              1. I am a Russian
                I am a Russian 15 August 2013 17: 25 New
                -5
                Quote: MG42
                You are not in the subject completely.

                read carefully
                I’m going to Ukraine to work. I will repeat myself - whoever wants to - works in Ukraine and has a good salary

                A Ukrainian flees from his homeland, is furious with fat .... he does not want to work for the good of his state, his family at home

                Quote: MG42
                The inflow of money from the “earned money” in 2013 will be at least $ 7 billion - expert


                And how much, 5 or 6 billion, are representatives of the ancient profession? 7bn - from all over the world?
                1. MG42
                  MG42 15 August 2013 18: 22 New
                  +2
                  Quote: I am a Russian
                  doesn't want to work for the good of her state, family at home

                  But maybe there are no jobs?
                  Kiev, August 3, 08:48
                  They stopped paying financial assistance to the domestic unemployed, according to the TSN report at 19:30. The employment center arranges people for temporary work, for which they would have to pay wages. However, people complain that they haven't seen the money for three months. The unemployed Alexei, once a sales manager who is registered at the capital's employment center, said that they are still looking for a job for him, but unemployment benefits are no longer paid. “It used to be once every two weeks. But now not a penny for a whole month,” the unemployed complains.

                  Read more here: http://ru.tsn.ua/groshi/ukraincam-perestali-vyplachivat-posobie-po-bezrabotice-3
                  17398.html
                  Quote: I am a Russian
                  I’m going to Ukraine to work. I will repeat myself - whoever wants to - works in Ukraine and has a good salary

                  The Ukrainian flees from the homeland, is furious with fat

                  by the way about fat >>
                  1. I am a Russian
                    I am a Russian 15 August 2013 18: 37 New
                    -4
                    Quote: MG42
                    by the way about fat >>


                    You are self-critical notorious.

                    Quote: MG42
                    But maybe there are no jobs?


                    laughing made fun of ... on the land of Ukraine and no jobs?
                    Only the lazy, having the earth, has no work.
                    1. MG42
                      MG42 15 August 2013 18: 46 New
                      -1
                      Quote: I am a Russian
                      You are self-critical notorious.

                      There was already one Svidomo doctor squavron trying to figure out my mind, where is he? crying
                      Quote: I am a Russian
                      ridiculed ... on the land of Ukraine and there are no jobs?

                      16.07.2013
                      In absolute figures, the number of unemployed in June 2013 amounted to 465,3 thousand people.
                      The number of unemployed receiving benefits in June amounted to 360,3 thousand people (in May - 384,3 thousand people). The average monthly payment decreased by 32 UAH. and in June amounted to 1087 UAH.
                      The competition for 10 vacancies was 59 people.


                      But we know what else hidden unemployment, an order of magnitude higher numbers than in the official .. and they stopped paying benefits, so people go to work not only in Russia but also in the EU, some zapadents abandon their families, children have not seen their parents for years .. sad
                      1. I am a Russian
                        I am a Russian 15 August 2013 19: 15 New
                        +1
                        Quote: MG42
                        There was already one Svidomo doctor squavron trying to figure out my mind, where is he? crying


                        You shouldn’t be so. Perhaps after talking with him, you would understand that being on the ground have unemployment ...

                        Quote: MG42
                        But we know that there is still hidden unemployment, an order of magnitude higher than the figures in the official


                        rather overpriced.
              2. I am a Russian
                I am a Russian 15 August 2013 18: 13 New
                -4
                Where is the master.
                Quote: Akim
                Life did not become better, but also worse. My relatives inherited a Khatyn in the village. There, from 2008-2012, gas was stretched out, roads were repaired, a kindergarten was opened, a new club was built on the site of the demolished site, the park was ennobled, an eternal flame was fired at the monument to fallen villagers in the Second World War, a new boiler room was launched,


                You are mg42, living in a house, a bummer or a weekly
                Put your house in order in your hands.
                1. MG42
                  MG42 15 August 2013 18: 34 New
                  +4
                  Quote: I am a Russian
                  You are mg42, living in a house, a bummer or a weekly
                  Put your house in order in your hands.

                  you definitely don’t read what is written above or do not realize what you read winked
                  well let's continue >>> we started to clean the attic from the old slate which the housing office did not have enough money for the contractor put a new one on the rafters, but the old one remained, not only is asbestos harmful, so they called the cops and then this boss was indignant that we litter in front of everyone when he asked whose it is the garbage is accidentally not communal and when it is taken out from the roof, so he asked to move to the side so that the cops would not hear, and tearfully asked my workers to clean the ENTIRE attic laughing wassat , because local budgets do not allocate money for this and are not expected, to which I received an answer that I didn’t get an idiot and I would put money in my pocket .. bully Well, the cops also have their own interest, however, it does not surprise in this country
                  As for the dependent at the wrong address = there is someone who hangs around the clock without days off and walk-throughs ..
                  Less for being able to read what is written and intrusively repeat your ..
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 15 August 2013 18: 40 New
                    -1
                    Quote: MG42
                    there is someone hanging around for days without days off and walk-throughs ..

                    This is I. Health is no longer the same (a dog erupted!) To drive city tours.
                  2. I am a Russian
                    I am a Russian 15 August 2013 18: 43 New
                    -6
                    Quote: MG42
                    and annoyingly repeat your ..


                    in other words .... is the user lying? Quote: Akim
                    Life did not become better, but also worse. My relatives inherited a Khatyn in the village. There, from 2008-2012, gas was stretched out, roads were repaired, a kindergarten was opened, a new club was built on the site of the demolished site, the park was ennobled, an eternal flame was fired at the monument to fallen villagers in the Second World War, a new boiler room was launched,
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 15 August 2013 18: 50 New
                      +1
                      Quote: I am a Russian
                      in other words .... is the user lying?

                      Hey! Zachem is lying. It's just that in different places everything is not the same.
                      1. MG42
                        MG42 16 August 2013 00: 13 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Akim
                        Hey! Zachem is lying. It's just that in different places everything is not the same.

                        I don’t get at all honestly how to compare a Khatyn in a village with an apartment building, pers. blames me for not changing communications in-house throughout the house laughing
                      2. Akim
                        Akim 16 August 2013 00: 27 New
                        +1
                        Quote: MG42
                        I don’t get at all honestly how to compare a Khatyn in a village with an apartment building,

                        He probably meant the whole village. Personally, I didn’t hit a finger on this finger at all in this house. It’s easier and cheaper for me to hire people whose hands are not like mine from F .... are growing. And the local head of the village council himself didn’t raise all the devastation, he didn’t put on rowing in concrete and did not restore the football field. Just . he doesn’t put all the money in his pocket, but he gives the village money.
                      3. MG42
                        MG42 16 August 2013 00: 43 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Akim
                        He probably meant the whole village.

                        And in my opinion he is not adequate ..
                        The village is the village of discord, as well as communications, water can be in the well, or a column down the street, or maybe the water supply in the house, or the well is drilled,
                        sewage system or central or cesspool ..
                        heating stove coal or AGV, etc .. gasified or not ..
                  3. O_RUS
                    O_RUS 13 May 2014 00: 40 New
                    0
                    Quote: Akim
                    It's just that in different places everything is not the same.


                    let not a place paint a man, but a man a place
                2. MG42
                  MG42 15 August 2013 18: 55 New
                  +1
                  I have almost every comment supported by a link, and solid official sources, so don’t need a la poplar wink
                  I don’t know about Akim’s hatynka in the village.
                  1. I am a Russian
                    I am a Russian 15 August 2013 19: 04 New
                    -3
                    What are your arrows for?
                    I understand that Akim is a solid source ... unlike
                    Quote: MG42
                    reputable official sources


                    ... but if Akim has achieved order And you can restore order. Work hard
                    yes ... more ... try to work hard for the good of your country, not for money.
                  2. MG42
                    MG42 15 August 2013 19: 11 New
                    -1
                    Your record is stuck >>
                    As Azaroff said, I translate into Russian = "Why are traditional Ukrainian values ​​forgotten? >>> do not whine?" you need to take a shovel and feed your family >>>
                  3. I am a Russian
                    I am a Russian 15 August 2013 19: 21 New
                    -3
                    So we found a solution to the problems

                    Quote: MG42
                    you need to take a shovel and feed your family >>>


                    It turns out the problem is solved ... but no! Ukrainian does not want to take a shovel and go to raise his welfare
                  4. MG42
                    MG42 15 August 2013 19: 31 New
                    0
                    Yes ... you would have been showered with foul language at the Ukrainian forum for supporting this statement by Azarov ..
                    Traditional Ukrainian values ​​= it’s to be hired by a host in the person of a party of regions for a penny sad
                    As for Ukrainian villages >>
                    During the years of Independence of Ukraine, the number of rural settlements in the country decreased by 386.

                    In addition, out of 12 thousand territorial communities in more than half of them the population is less than 3 thousand people, in 4809 communities - about 1 thousand people, and in 1129 - less than 500 people, which does not allow local authorities to exercise their legal powers.

                    http://korrdon.info/ukraine/47491-kolichestvo-sel-v-ukraine-sokratilos-na-386.ht
                    ml
                  5. I am a Russian
                    I am a Russian 15 August 2013 19: 43 New
                    0
                    No one bothers you to work for yourself
                  6. MG42
                    MG42 15 August 2013 19: 50 New
                    0
                    Quote: I am a Russian
                    No one bothers you to work for yourself

                    Click on the video with the left mouse button = go to the YouTube site and read the comments of ordinary Ukrainians that they think about their Prime Minister Azaroff, you may see clearly.

                    And on the topic of yes time is money, I can’t spend more time on you.
                    hi
                  7. I am a Russian
                    I am a Russian 15 August 2013 21: 47 New
                    -2
                    Quote: MG42
                    Quote: I am a Russian
                    No one bothers you to work for yourself

                    Click on the video with the left mouse button


                    Meli Emelya - your week
                  8. MG42
                    MG42 15 August 2013 22: 38 New
                    0
                    Quote: I am a Russian
                    Meli Emelya - your week

                    Stubborn, the words of the Minister of Housing and Public Utilities of Ukraine are authoritative enough?

                    Minister: It takes 10-12 years to get out of the housing and communal services crisis
                    10-04-13

                    Gennady Temnik, the Minister of Regional Development, Construction and Housing and Communal Services, said that it takes 10-12 years to get out of an emergency crisis situation in the housing sector.
                    "We have calculated that it will take about 10-12 years to fully exit from the emergency crisis situation that we, unfortunately, have in the field of housing and communal services, "Temnik said.

                    According to the official, specialists are already involved in overcoming the crisis.
                    Recall that reforming the housing and communal services of Ukraine will cost 670 billion hryvnias. For everything about everything, the government has several years - until 2020.


                    A source:

                    http://www.rbc.ua/rus/news/economic/dlya-vyhoda-iz-avariynoy-krizisnoy-situatsii

                    -v-sfere-zhkh-10042013171200

                    670 billion UAH ??? almost half of the annual GDP of Ukraine bully

                    The nominal GDP of Ukraine in 2012 amounted to 1409 trillion UAH, - Gosstat.

                    And why until 2020 you do not need to explain or turn on the brains yourself?
                  9. I am a Russian
                    I am a Russian 16 August 2013 22: 56 New
                    -1
                    Quote: MG42

                    Minister: It takes 10-12 years to get out of the housing and communal services crisis
                    10-04-13


                    They’re hanging noodles on your ears so that they don’t open their mouths and ask where the money disappears. And you are glad about it.
                  10. MG42
                    MG42 17 August 2013 01: 44 New
                    -1
                    Quote: I am a Russian
                    They’re hanging noodles on your ears so that they don’t open their mouths and ask where the money disappears.

                    Those. Minister of Housing and Utilities of Ukraine is lying, and everything is fine with us, or maybe you’ll wipe your lenses, or your glasses are foggy? lol
                    Quote: I am a Russian
                    And you are glad about it.

                    Where did you see the joy in the comments? You have apparently been kicked out of Ukrainian forums for supporting Azarov, I have not seen such people for a long time, and now hang out, so why use a Russian proxy if your ears stick out yellow-blue ..
                  11. MG42
                    MG42 17 August 2013 02: 16 New
                    +2
                    You understand Ukrainian >>
                    Resonance - Titanic of the Ukrainian housing and communal services, part 1/3


                    part 2/3
                  12. Akim
                    Akim 17 August 2013 07: 27 New
                    0
                    Quote: MG42
                    Those. Minister of Housing and Utilities of Ukraine is lying, and we are fine,

                    If ... Although I live in Odessa in my 89-year-old house, it is not managed by the Housing Office, but by the house management. Not as designed as standard houses. There is everything, even a concierge. In my lobby on the floor there are flowers and we even put a common small Christmas tree for the New Year. Electrics, plumbing, roof, basement, communications, house area - everything seems to be in order pah-pah-pah. ZhEK is a thieves organization. Many houses in Odessa also refused their services. It has become a little more expensive - but always help will come - especially to pensioners.
                    After: There are breakdowns: especially light and a freight elevator, but they are eliminated in a couple of hours.
                  13. maxvet
                    maxvet 18 August 2013 20: 04 New
                    0
                    you have good housekeeping. Your sisters imposed the HOA (I live in a private house) the prices went up, but nothing changed, they imposed because at the meeting of the owners the majority did not want to abandon the housing office, but the municipality had their own opinion on this
                  14. Akim
                    Akim 19 August 2013 06: 11 New
                    0
                    Quote: maxvet
                    you have good housekeeping. The sisters imposed on the HOA

                    In house management, which is good. You see that you can’t cope, you can always change at a general meeting. They get good money and, with a good organizer, all the chiki-farts.
                3. I am a Russian
                  I am a Russian 18 August 2013 21: 11 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Akim
                  Not as designed as standard houses. There is everything, even a concierge. In my lobby on the floor there are flowers and we even put a common small Christmas tree for the New Year


                  The residents of this house want to live clean. Found an older ... they themselves keep you clean and result in person

                  Do the same, but across Ukraine. There are like-minded people.
                4. Akim
                  Akim 19 August 2013 06: 23 New
                  0
                  Quote: I am a Russian
                  There are like-minded people.

                  There are such, and there are many pigs. I remembered the small picture. When we were in Debrecen in the YUGV, visiting the Magyars. Glass doors of the entrance to the five-story building. On the first floor there is a palm tree, washed stairs. Out of control - only intercom. And no fence near the house. And this is in the "evil" socialist time. With us this is possible only if there is a fence and the eye of a watchman / concierge. The psychology of the general masses is not the same.
    2. maxvet
      maxvet 18 August 2013 19: 59 New
      0
      read, impressed!
    3. MG42
      MG42 18 August 2013 21: 21 New
      0
      Quote: maxvet
      read, impressed!

      Catch my plus that you were not too lazy to read the truth on YouTube and that they think about Azarov without censorship, there are still similar videos about Yanukovych, Ukrainians mother them with a 3-story mat .. bully
      Only here are some storytellers on the forum where they say that everything is calm, but the Ukrainian boiler is seething, the pressure rises, while everything is in the kitchens of course, but what happens when aggression and hatred splash out onto the streets ..
      If only the radicals, of course, then didn’t take power on the crest of the wave, but apparently everything goes to that .. hi
  • biglow
    biglow 14 August 2013 18: 53 New
    23
    in the news today
    Exactly at 00:00, without declaring a trade war, the Russian Federation included all Ukrainian suppliers without exception into the list of so-called "risky" importers. "In fact, we are talking about a complete halt of Ukrainian exports for an indefinite period. Losses of Ukraine from such actions of the Russian side may exceed $ 2,5 billion.
    Putin doesn’t forget anything .... we are waiting for Yanukovych’s visit to Moscow
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 14 August 2013 19: 08 New
      +1
      Ukraine so wants, well, let it ring wherever it wants, if it, this Ukraine, considers itself independent. although, from my point of view, terrible shit.
      1. biglow
        biglow 14 August 2013 19: 50 New
        12
        Quote: Panikovsky
        Ukraine so wants, well, let it ring wherever it wants, if it, this Ukraine, considers itself independent. although, from my point of view, terrible shit.

        Ukraine is not only the oligarchs but also the people, and the people just feel sorry
        1. komsomolets
          komsomolets 15 August 2013 02: 03 New
          +5
          Nobody thinks about the people, neither yours nor ours, we have almost the entire economy tied to Russia, you think I want to go to Europe, who will ask me, but you don’t give me trade, you think they dropped Yanyk, there’s no war first of all, they’ll hit ordinary people. Work, salary, pension, everything goes according to the .. it went, thanks brothers, it would be better if the tank division was introduced to the territory of Kharkiv, there was more sense
          1. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 15 August 2013 08: 14 New
            -10
            Quote: komsomolets
            Do you think I want to Europe so much - who will ask me


            rather than sit back. Waiting for manna?

            Quote: komsomolets
            Do you think they dropped Yanyk, no, these war games will hit ordinary people in the first place

            don’t whine ... you are constantly blackmailing this. Russia will not leave you!

            Quote: komsomolets
            Work, salary, retirement

            ... where did it go? ... Aren't you tired of lying? It did not cost the Fed will form due to stolen gas. Nothing would be covered. And on the payroll account, summer 2013, in Ukraine they pay normally. Who works, he earns
      2. 225chay
        225chay 15 August 2013 11: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: Panikovsky
        Ukraine so wants, well, let it ring wherever it wants, if it, this Ukraine, considers itself independent. although, from my point of view, terrible shit.

        Anyway, Ukraine is a fraternal state.
        Insulting relatives even if they got lost somewhere is low!
        The situation in Ukraine was formed not through the fault of the common people, but because of the policy of pro-Western rulers, which can be called a bad word.
        This is not the fault of the Ukrainian people, but its misfortune.
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 14 August 2013 20: 39 New
      +3
      There is another question about the 7 yards are green, which Ukraine did not pay Gazprom for violating the terms of the contract.
      1. Kars
        Kars 14 August 2013 20: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: zvereok
        There’s another question about 7 yards of green, which Ukraine did not pay Gazprom for violating the terms of the contract.

        And the court was “filed a lawsuit?” And then, by the way, Gazprom lost several previous similar claims, and not only did not receive the money, but also was obliged to revise the contracts with regard to price reduction.
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 14 August 2013 20: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: Kars
          And the court was “filed a lawsuit?” And then, by the way, Gazprom lost several previous similar claims, and not only did not receive the money, but also was obliged to revise the contracts with regard to price reduction.

          It’s Millir’s conscience, I’m so a world of friendship, chewing gum, we give you gas, you give us money, everything is in accordance with the contract. And so they consider chickens in the fall. As far as I remember, the main activity of Gazprom began with the advent of cold weather.

          We don’t like the contract, we break it, deliveries cease until a new one is concluded.
          1. Kars
            Kars 14 August 2013 21: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: zvereok
            It’s Millir’s conscience,

            Well, yes of course. That's just what I wanted, filed a lawsuit, I wanted not to file.

            Quote: zvereok
            We don’t like the contract, we break it, deliveries cease until a new one is concluded.

            I’m just for this option. Here it is only legally desirable that the lawsuit of the Russian Federation be filed, and then Ukraine will meet, not only for the price, but also for reducing the volume of transit.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 04: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Kars
          And the court was? Filed a lawsuit?

          And they’ll pay without a court, they signed a contract - follow it! Nobody will go to a corrupt European court. Ukraine was going there, which did not go, since all the courts won? And by the way, that there, prices are revised wink
          1. Kars
            Kars 15 August 2013 10: 09 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And they will pay without a court, they signed a contract, follow it!

            We will not pay.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And by the way, that there, prices are revised

            Yes, in litigation with Italy, Slovakia and someone else.
            1. zvereok
              zvereok 15 August 2013 11: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: Kars
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And they will pay without a court, they signed a contract, follow it!

              We will not pay.


              So there’s nothing, like currency reserves 25 yards left.
              1. Kars
                Kars 15 August 2013 12: 32 New
                +2
                Quote: zvereok
                So there’s nothing, like currency reserves 25 yards left.

                Oh yes Gazprom is so kind-hearted))) and well, even in his thoughts, has no intentions about the pipe and gas storages.
                1. yanus
                  yanus 15 August 2013 16: 31 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Kars
                  Oh yes Gazprom is so kind-hearted))) and well, even in his thoughts, has no intentions about the pipe and gas storages.

                  Do you even know that around the self-propelled pipes built up to dope? Or out of habit - will we block the pipe? )))
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 15 August 2013 16: 34 New
                    +1
                    Quote: yanus
                    Do you even know that around the self-propelled pipes built up to dope? Or out of habit - will we block the pipe? )))


                    ??? So Gazprom has no plans for the Ukrainian gas transportation system? But you set up the pipes at a loss, now you don’t know how much to pay for transit, but you didn’t set up the gas storage.
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 14 August 2013 22: 16 New
      0
      Quote: biglow
      Ukrainian losses from such actions by the Russian side may exceed $ 2,5 billion

      Ukraine reduced purchases of gas from Gazprom in the first half of the year by 39%
      http://spb.itar-tass.com/c322/840117.html

      MOSCOW, August 14. / ITAR-TASS /. Ukraine reduced the volume of gas purchases from Gazprom in January-June 2013 compared to the same period last year by 39,3% to 9,67 billion cubic meters. Such data are presented in the report of the Russian company under RAS.
      1. zennon
        zennon 14 August 2013 23: 26 New
        +5
        Ukraine reduced purchases of gas from Gazprom in the first half of the year by 39%

        And what, is it happiness or something? If they cut gas imports, then they stop production at home. Gas is absolutely necessary for the industry. This is a disaster for Ukraine.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 15 August 2013 18: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: zennon
          This is a disaster for Ukraine.

          You made me laugh. This is a disaster for Russia, not for Ukraine.
    4. Egoza
      Egoza 14 August 2013 23: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: biglow
      Ukrainian losses from such actions by the Russian side may exceed $ 2,5 billion

      Even Mr. Azarov attended to a stop at the cordons. He ordered an urgent calculation of what losses this would result in, and indeed compared with the costs in the EU. He emphasized that Ukraine in no case refuses the Eurasian Union ... on TV SO acted out !!!!! laughing
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 04: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Even Mr. Azarov attended to a stop at the cordons. He ordered an urgent calculation of what losses this would result in, and indeed compared with the costs in the EU

        Hi Elena! Azarov thought they were joking with him, so he ran in. We must now come up with what Komers say why so belay
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 04: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: biglow
      Exactly at 00:00 without declaring a trade war, the Russian Federation included in the list of so-called "risky" importers without exception all Ukrainian suppliers

      This is called, Yanek plain text sent ON *** laughing
    6. avia12005
      avia12005 15 August 2013 20: 33 New
      -2
      Ukrainians are beginning to broadcast Kiev blockade
  • Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 14 August 2013 18: 55 New
    +4
    goes to the bottom, and this is an objective reality.
  • desiscia
    desiscia 14 August 2013 19: 00 New
    -11
    We must join the TS and happiness will fall on us
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 14 August 2013 19: 17 New
      12
      Quote: desiscia
      We must join the TS and happiness will fall on us

      Happiness just doesn’t fall on anyone.
      To do this, you need to work hard (physically and mentally) and then luck and prosperity will come.
      But this rule does not apply to slaves, and Little Russia is not needed in a geyrop in another capacity.
      Do you want to be gypsies in geyrop? NAZDOROVIE!
      You won’t put your brains in your head.
      Think for yourself. I only really worry about relatives near Odessa.
      It seems that we need to prepare a springboard for them here in Russia.
      ps Thank you for the moderators do not forget the Little Russians.
      We can’t just slave more than 20 million of our people into slavery.
      1. Panikovsky
        Panikovsky 14 August 2013 19: 46 New
        -24
        like ilf with petrov, happiness awaits you on the road? maybe it flaps its wings with impatience? where, it says, Admiral booths, and so, it’s you, smelly, pissed, ugly Little Russian, very ugly, and very Little Russian, eat shit. Nitsche, I'm from Ukraine.
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 14 August 2013 19: 06 New
    14
    Quote: desiscia
    happiness will fall on us

    "Happiness" will fall in the event that our leaders draw Ukraine into the EU. Then it will really fall. And it will crush the fuck, happiness is a weighty thing ... It is interesting that even those who are struggling to pull Ukraine into the EU have neither goods that are interesting for Europe, nor money to buy those goods that Europe would like to supply. There is nothing to say about the rest, in general kirdyk. Conclusion - they will work out the paid order and dissolve. And 40 million fools who bought into fabulous promises will be left to disentangle what these rulils have done ...
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 14 August 2013 19: 31 New
      15
      Quote: Misantrop
      And the 40 million fools who bought on fabulous promises will remain to disentangle what these taxis have done ...

      Not much to fix. Then 140 million more will be harnessed to disentangle this.
      What is happening in Little Russia is worse than war.sad
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 14 August 2013 20: 43 New
      +1
      It is interesting that even those who are struggling to pull Ukraine into the EU have neither goods interesting to Europe, nor money to buy those goods that Europe would like to supply.

      But they have property, which in this case will remain with them, well, and get hold of a fellow countryman.
  • Makarov
    Makarov 14 August 2013 19: 14 New
    +5
    NOT a single link, not a single confirmed fact ... the article contains: "According to the State Statistics Service, in the first quarter of 2013 GDP ..." give a link from the site of the State Statistics Committee .. I did not find such data .. there are March and numbers there more modest, there are FORECASTS - 0 -0,1 percent ... then I read it rather out of politeness, no longer believing any of the figures given ... I hope the nationalists will come to power and then the Eastern neighbor will have a formal reason to seize the south and east of Ukraine, I it seems only the force method will work here
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 14 August 2013 19: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Makarov
      "According to the State Statistics Service, in the first quarter of 2013 GDP ..." give a link from the official site of the State Statistics Committee .. I did not find such data .. there are until March and the numbers there are more modest, there are FORECASTS - 0 -0,1 percent ..

      So there’s nothing to brag about, they don’t advertise.
      1. Makarov
        Makarov 14 August 2013 21: 26 New
        +2
        there is simply no such data, there are only forecasts ....
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 14 August 2013 19: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Makarov
      Not a single link, not a single confirmed fact ...
      Looking for fresh facts? In Crimea, the reduction of employees of the mobile communications company of the Kyivstar network begins. Approximately 40%. If until now there was a Crimean branch, now there will be a Crimean branch of the Odessa branch. The news is fresh to the limit, you will not find it in any media yet. And since March, there will be a dozen of such large taxpayers devoured by Odessa. For example - the airport "Central" in Simferopol
    3. vkrav
      vkrav 14 August 2013 20: 37 New
      +5
      Not a single link, not a single confirmed fact ...

      I repeat: Currency transfers to Ukraine are forcibly converted to hryvnia:
      http://gazeta.ua/ru/articles/business/_denezhnye-perevody-v-ukrainu-budut-prinud
      itelno-konvertirovat-v-grivnu / 510077
      uraine goes to the settlement with enterprises bills:
      http://newsradio.com.ua/rus/2013_04_19/Raschet-vekseljami-privedet-k-obvalu-jeko
      nomiki-Ukraini-nardep /
      If these are not facts, then Ukraine is not in the ass :)
      1. Makarov
        Makarov 14 August 2013 21: 47 New
        +1
        on the first - did you see the document completely? Amounts of more than 150 thousand UAH per month (1500 euros)

        on the second. Have you ever been to the Pinchuk art gallery? On the other hand, he is answered by a person who broke his lip to the deputy head of the Ternopil Regional State Administration, and in his biography there are lines: 2002 - is working in Germany and Italy. Member of the VO "Svoboda" ...

        Thirdly, the topic of publication and the facts have nothing in common ... my language doesn’t turn out to say that everything is very bad in Ukraine ... And about Kyivstar I don’t believe the words - prove it, and then the internal affairs of the company are not an indicator .... none at all, maybe it's their reorganization or side of the Crimean management ....
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 14 August 2013 22: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: Makarov
          And about Kyivstar, I don’t believe the words - prove it, and then the internal affairs of the company are not an indicator ..
          good "I don't believe the words, but you - prove it!" laughing And what for to prove, all the same you do not believe? One of the two wireline operators, Krymtel, was already devoured in the spring. The rest ("Ukrtelecom") reduced staff (a classmate almost flew out into the street, could hardly resist). PEOPLEnet is cutting staff. I have already written about Kyivstar above. These are only those about whom I know EXACTLY. Does everyone have management sides in half with the reorganization, practically simultaneously? belay
          1. Makarov
            Makarov 14 August 2013 22: 48 New
            0
            I don’t believe the words ... you don’t have to prove anything to me personally, but adjusting the “facts” to the author for an article is another matter ...

            I had friends in Ukrtelecom only after one year and a half who worked for a year and sent this stupid sharagu almost immediately ... Today they work in companies that have 100% no problems ... it never occurred to you that it’s already less than a wired connection enjoy? And all companies depend on markets .... Sberbank reduced its staff back a year and in half a year it became the 2nd largest bank in Europe and the 13th in the world (and this is FACT) http://rus.ruvr.ru / 2013_02_04 / Sberbank-stal-vtorim-v-Evrope / ... about PEOPLEnet ... the company has already experienced development, prosperity ... now nothing but a do-it-all management has decided that everything is fine with them and that is why today they have a logical decline .. ..
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 15 August 2013 10: 28 New
              0
              Quote: Makarov
              adjusting the "facts" to the author for the article is another matter ...

              This is not a fit of facts, but a real state of affairs, alas. Another "black redistribution" has begun in the country. Another evidence of this is several murders of mayors of cities in Crimea during this year. Those who did not agree to give the most "tasty" pieces of property to new "owners", but they could not find compromising evidence. If they managed to dig up (there are no angels there, a no brainer), then they simply started criminal cases with dismissal. So as not to interfere with stuffing your pockets ...
        2. Mhpv
          Mhpv 14 August 2013 22: 46 New
          +4
          Well, if it is not difficult and interesting to see the facts of "reduced" look at the example of Lisichansk:
          http://www.lisichansk.in.ua/realii-pokrashhennya-lisichansk-na-grani-revolyucii.
          html
          http://lisichansk.com.ua/2013/07/23749
          http://www.lisichansk.in.ua/lisichansk-postavil-ultimatum-prezidentu-ukrainy.htm
          l
          Well, for clarity, the video:
          1. Makarov
            Makarov 15 August 2013 20: 35 New
            0
            I can cite as an example the blooming city of Energodar ... there is an opportunity to develop business, there is danger - the atom is not always peaceful ... there is an example - Dniproorudny ... the city is practically full ... (unprintable word) ... I am not saying that Ukraine - Heaven on earth, but in the same Dneprorudnoye people from the surrounding villages work, nobody dies of starvation - they buy food, things, equipment, sometimes even cars and houses ... and that there is no such imbalance in Russia ?, in the USA it is even worse .. .even in Germany, the East and West are slightly different "germany"? And about Lichiansk ... so everywhere in the country ... and what has happened before? in 1995, or in 2005, in 1999 or in 2001?
        3. Egoza
          Egoza 14 August 2013 23: 43 New
          +3
          Quote: Makarov
          And about Kyivstar, I do not believe the words - prove it, and then the internal affairs of the company are not an indicator ...

          I have SDMA. Was in the hands of Ukrtelecom with the main "base in Kharkov, now the re-registration was in the spring - the Germans bought them, then they sold them and now" Intertelecom "with" a base in Odessa.
          1. 225chay
            225chay 15 August 2013 12: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: Egoza
            Was in the hands of Ukrtelecom with the main "base in Kharkov, now the re-registration was in the spring - the Germans bought them, then they sold them and now" Intertelecom "with" a base in Odessa.
            the same "Germans" as our Berezovsky, Deribaski and Abramovich))
            Who else can buy?
          2. Makarov
            Makarov 15 August 2013 20: 38 New
            0
            I don’t understand what this proves ...
    4. Grbear
      Grbear 15 August 2013 11: 30 New
      +2
      And you, dear Makarov, have not heard the statement of one of the "bearded" that "Statistics, from Science, in the hands of politicians becomes a whore"? So, there is no official faith statistics. But, even if we divide the given data by 2, the picture is more than depressing. Given that the data are presented in short-term dynamics (2012-2013) and before accession to the EU.

      I have every reason to trust the described trends. We experienced something similar, and we are getting now - after joining the WTO (not the EU). But we traded for 15 years and negotiated special conditions for 5-7 years. And still shitty.

      There is no doubt that Ukraine is being prepared for the distribution of trans (of all stripes). Suffice it to look at the others - "treated kindly" by the EU. And you can't say that Russia spits on its neighbor. But you can't put your head on and you can't sew your hands. Use at least what you have left of the "independent" Freedoms - a referendum and elections. The tactics and strategy are up to you (again, to the question of heads).
      It will not be easy.
      PS Power method? This is who with whom? Brother with brother? It will not happen! Passed by.
      1. 225chay
        225chay 15 August 2013 12: 20 New
        0
        That's right big bear
      2. Makarov
        Makarov 15 August 2013 20: 18 New
        0
        It seems to me that this will not happen ... because it’s very sad, Natsik one way or another will try crush everything for yourself, that's scary ...

        I can't just speak and draw conclusions based on the facts from the above article, since the very first check of the very first figure given in the article tells me about the fictional format of this narration ... thus a reasonable question arises: why?. I think this is a pure provocation ... if the author wrote like you - "there is a tendency, there are prerequisites and experience of countries that have already" hit ", here are the links" before "and" after ", conclusion ..." no questions, I I would have read as many articles here and did not comment ... the tendency is depressing ... but talking about the catastrophe while citing figures that, when checked, turn out to be a fantasy (I may be wrong - therefore, I ask you to give links) is at least irresponsible ...

        PS I think Ukraine's multi-vector policy is a big mistake and stupidity. This issue had to be resolved immediately and moved in the chosen direction (the ideal is a referendum), whatever it was ... this question is from the field of "the further - the more painful" ...
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 14 August 2013 19: 14 New
    0
    Quote: makst83
    Ukraine, what is wrong with you !? Where are you going!? Well, who will take you there, who needs you, poor, ragged, hungry !?
    Maxim, remember that you predicted Russia, but you’re alive !!!
    Quote: makst83
    My country, proposes to be the bride of a wealthy husband, we will dress and feed you, throw some money, and offer to be the wife of the husband of the same blood with you! M
    Who gave you the right to speak on behalf of the whole country? Delusions of grandeur is a diagnosis! Fucking urapatrioty, enough slogans, a business proposition. Suddenly a young bride, so you, sexually preoccupied, get a term-more than you weigh. Two options for you-1st turn on the brain, 2-buy petroleum jelly at the pharmacy. Think about what you write. hi
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 14 August 2013 19: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: grafrozow
      You have two options — 1st — turn on your brains, 2nd — buy Vaseline at the pharmacy. Think about what you write.

      Have you thought well?
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 14 August 2013 20: 17 New
        +6
        Dear, Ukraine is 45000000 citizens. The citizens of Ukraine are Greeks, Bulgarians, Turks, Armenians, Gypsies .... Is that also? I don’t like when the government of the country is equal with all the people, My mother lives in Ukraine, Chernigov region, Shchors.U she’s in the cellar of stockpiles for two atomic wars, and writing about the famine isn’t serious. The garden of a simple peasant does not depend on Washington’s policy, they are worse than the Colorado potato beetle, it’s a real disaster. It was. simple photo trucks with food coming to us.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 14 August 2013 20: 26 New
          0
          Quote: grafrozow
          My mother lives in Ukraine

          To draw a conclusion is enough for me.
          Live on VUKAINEN.
          Current, see that your geyro ferry does not roll over.
          It’s scary, as it tilted.
          ps And in Russia, probably to earn money, or go straightforward?
          1. grafrozow
            grafrozow 14 August 2013 22: 20 New
            +3
            Your sarcasm is out of place here. I went to the North to earn money for a car, earned, then for an apartment for myself, for an apartment for my daughter, for an apartment for my granddaughter ... 1983% of the residents of Nadym in the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug are from Ukraine. And my father came to Ukraine after distribution in 80. USSR. I was born in 1957, the first wife was Polish, from Western Ukraine, the son lives in Lvov, the second from Odessa, there is a daughter, the second son was born in the North in the village of Stary Nadym. I will not fight with Ukraine. What do you call "Geyro ferry" along our "road of life." Our land is called the beautiful gas storeroom of the Motherland, but there are still no normal roads and no bridges, cars are re-flown on ramps, it is in the photo, and when there is muddy roads, it’s worth moving to the other side by helicopter 1959 rubles 1200 minutes of flight. I have 10 year left until my retirement and I will leave for Tyumen, I have already bought an apartment, but the pension must be formalized here in the North, since 1 rubles are added to us by the Neyolovsky, named after the former governor. Thank you for the joke, my apartment is in this house, 2000 room. 1sqm loggia 65sq.m. come to visit we will meet.
            1. Anatolich
              Anatolich 15 August 2013 18: 28 New
              +1
              I have one friend, also from Lviv. He also earned his apartment in the suburbs somewhere in the north. We sat with him a couple of times, drinking, as he pulls out a glass, so he starts, that’s nasty, he doesn’t consider the people of eastern Ukraine as people, he says that they have zapadentsev on their neck. But he himself is somehow not going to his homeland; he is firmly ass in Russia. Are you not one of those?
              1. grafrozow
                grafrozow 15 August 2013 21: 25 New
                +2
                Quote: Anatolich
                I have one friend, also from Lviv.
                My first wife was from Lviv, myself from the Donetsk region. He left for Sever at 83. He is drawn to Ukraine, but you’ll come on vacation, look at the mess and desire, I’ll retire here at 55, but this doesn’t shine in Ukraine, and the children and grandchildren are here. There is hope that Ukraine and Russia will find a common language, remove borders. An example of friendship, after work we sit, hunt, Russian, Tatar, there are no disagreements.
                1. soldier's grandson
                  soldier's grandson 15 August 2013 22: 18 New
                  +1
                  so it was, I just will be so
                2. Anatolich
                  Anatolich 15 August 2013 23: 27 New
                  0
                  And I am for the same thing, but why then, despite our centuries-old brotherhood, you (not you specifically) and you Ukrainians are laughing at it when our flag is banned, when you indulge the nationalists, and not just nationalists, but natural fascists. Whatever mess we have with us is far from you, I’m generally silent about the geyropu
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 15 August 2013 23: 47 New
                    0
                    Quote: Anatolich
                    and you Ukrainians under the fact rush laugh when our flag is rotten

                    I will tell you as a person who lives 15 minutes walk from Arcadia. I don't go to "Ibiza" or "Ittaku", because the toad pressures me to pay for a bottle of beer as for a bottle of cognac. Although there are grannies. Visitors come there with money for a party, including (even the majority from Russia). Therefore, there was an international community. And under the steam of alcohol, a lot is not as accepted as you see when sober and on TV. What they did with both the Russian and the Ukrainian flag, you have to beat your face for it. But there is no need to blame one nation without justification.
                    1. Anatolich
                      Anatolich 16 August 2013 00: 05 New
                      +1
                      I don’t blame, because I was born just 18 kilometers from the border with Ukraine, in the Bryansk region, a lot of guys and girls from Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus and the Baltic states studied with me at the college, I still communicate with many of them. I just can’t understand the policy being pursued against Russia
                    2. Anatolich
                      Anatolich 16 August 2013 12: 20 New
                      0
                      why didn’t they fill then
            2. ATATA
              ATATA 15 August 2013 20: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: grafrozow
              Thanks for the joke, my apartment in this house, 1 room. 65sqm Loggia 8sq.m. will come to meet you.

              It turns out we are neighbors "Eburg".
              If offended, sorry.
              I will be in Tyumen for at least a couple of days I will write in a personal.
              Good luck, health!
              ps
              VUKRAINEN will never recognize within those boundaries, as it is now, at least cut.
              The right side let it roll as long as it wants anywhere, but for the left, we still stand and will not give it away for free. Rest assured.
              ps.sps "As I die, bury
              Sweet in Ukraine, "
              Taras Shevchenko. Is he not Ukrainian?
              1. grafrozow
                grafrozow 15 August 2013 21: 36 New
                0
                Quote: ATATA
                psd with "As I die, bury
                Nice in Ukraine, "Taras Shevchenko. Is he not Ukrainian?
                If I die, then fuck ... Taras is Ukrainian, life has thrown him away. I don’t understand why VUKRAINEN? How to decrypt? Greetings. drinks
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 14 August 2013 22: 59 New
          +8
          Quote: grafrozow
          Ukraine is 45000000 citizens
          Actually, not 45 million, but 3 million less. This is despite the fact that they took into account those who have worked abroad for years, but are only listed in the country. Despite the fact that at the time of separation there were more than 50 million. In your opinion, the loss in 20 years of virtually a fifth of the population without war, catastrophes, epidemics, etc. indicates the success of the course? belay
          Although, this is which side to look at. If with the European, then - yes, undoubtedly

          The garden of a simple peasant does not depend on Washington's policy
          So far - yes, it does not. But in the USA, for trying to plant something on OWN land without the permission of the authorities, ALREADY you can fly into a heavy fine. So, knowing the monkey’s habit of legislators to adopt everything from Europe and the USA ... what
          1. grafrozow
            grafrozow 15 August 2013 00: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Misantrop
            . In your opinion, the loss in 20 years of virtually a fifth of the population without war, catastrophes, epidemics, etc. indicates the success of the course
            Dear, it was not about the course of the Ukrainian government, but about the fact that the people of Ukraine do not have to be equated with the policies pursued by the country's leadership, and in Ukraine, as in Russia, the multinational population, and the fact that the number of inhabitants decreases is not a good life, and this is not a problem in Ukraine alone. There are also problems with the birth rate in Russia, but I don’t know about laws in the USA. I know that in Germany the owner needs the consent of his neighbors to get a cock, so that the cockerel doesn’t disturb them in the morning. I hope. I answer you and watch football, ours blew the Irish 0-1. that's just the game is over. When will win begin? Best regards. hi
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 15 August 2013 14: 26 New
              +1
              Quote: grafrozow
              it was not about the course of the Ukrainian government, but about the fact that the people of Ukraine should not be equated with the policies pursued by the country's leadership
              The trouble is that with such a course (I emphasize that it does not change with ANY cabinet changes), after half a century ONLY the government will remain, and only those who will be able to emigrate from the people will survive. Think about losing almost a quarter of the population in less than a quarter of a century. During the war, there was less decrease ... what
              1. Kars
                Kars 15 August 2013 15: 09 New
                +1
                Quote: Misantrop
                almost a quarter of the population in less than a quarter of a century. In the war, there was less decrease

                Well, in the USSR there was a registration system and was not allowed to go abroad.
                A decrease in population is a pan-European trend, only blacks and Indians breed like rabbits.
              2. grafrozow
                grafrozow 15 August 2013 15: 52 New
                0
                Quote: Misantrop
                The trouble is that with such a course (I emphasize that it does not change with ANY cabinet changes), after half a century ONLY the government will remain, and only those who can emigrate from the people will survive.
                I don’t think that this mess will last so long, passions are heating up, a new leader will appear and old cadres will come ... Russia could leave the 90s, I think Ukraine will. And while the situation doesn’t please, here’s a Ukrainian photo. hi
  • dropout
    dropout 14 August 2013 19: 17 New
    +2
    No matter how monstrous the conclusion that the de-industrialization and depopulation of Ukraine are deliberately carried out, it is the only one that reasonably explains what is happening with the Ukrainian economy. Unless, of course, soberly assess the situation and do not assume that the Ukrainian politicians from both the government and the opposition have been massively crazy.

    We know who is to blame and who will say what and how to do.
  • tarks
    tarks 14 August 2013 19: 28 New
    11
    There is a dismantling of Ukraine.
    First, the industry was sold for scrap, now they are selling "land plot".
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 14 August 2013 19: 36 New
    +9
    Today, too many people live in Ukraine, because of which it is impossible to feed Europe or provide it with raw materials and energy.

    The key phrase of the entire article. It clearly shows what the EU needs from Ukraine and how they will achieve this.

    Sincerely.
    1. Dilshat
      Dilshat 15 August 2013 03: 16 New
      0
      as it was said in one prediction, we did everything you wanted so what else do you want from us? and they say, die.
  • mithridate
    mithridate 14 August 2013 19: 37 New
    +8
    total betrayal by the top of national interests
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 14 August 2013 20: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Mithridates
      total betrayal by the top of national interests

      Yes, not possible !!!! betray the interests of the nationality, which was invented 100 years ago !!!
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 14 August 2013 20: 52 New
        +4
        Quote: ATATA

        Yes, not possible !!!! betray the interests of the nationality, which was invented 100 years ago !!!


        Less than 100 years old. In the course of the 1926 census, all Ukrainians using the South Russian dialect (the so-called surzhik) recorded by Ukrainians were not particularly bothered by the opinion of the respondents.
        http://ihistorian.livejournal.com/360744.html

        1. grafrozow
          grafrozow 14 August 2013 22: 34 New
          -5
          Quote: Hudo
          Less than 100 years old. In the course of the 1926 census, all Ukrainians using the South Russian dialect (the so-called surzhik) recorded by Ukrainians were not particularly bothered by the opinion of the respondents.

          Yes, life on planet Earth began in 1926, a pancake sailed, a picture of Repin ...
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 14 August 2013 22: 46 New
            0
            http://kornilov.name/tag/ukrainizatsiya/ Почитайте на досуге.
      2. grafrozow
        grafrozow 14 August 2013 22: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: ATATA
        Yes, not possible !!!! betray the interests of the nationality, which was invented 100 years ago !!!
        It is possible in more detail, who invented? And the 1025th anniversary of the baptism of Russia is the same invention? Our whole story is also invented by someone? Cross, dear, and demons will let you go.
    2. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 14 August 2013 22: 37 New
      -1
      national interests stuck in * opu at the time of separation of Ukraine from the USSR
      1. Anatolich
        Anatolich 16 August 2013 07: 20 New
        0
        Well, the baptism is Russia, not Ukraine :) Even if it’s Kiev, but Russia. And then when the Moscow principality gathered troops and under the leadership of Dmitry Donskoy defeated Mamaia, Moscow Russia became. And Ukraine was called Little Russia.
        Ukraine then the name speaks for itself outskirts, only what outskirts decide the people-outskirts of geyropi or Russia
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 14 August 2013 19: 44 New
    -3
    As a result of the introduction of intensive technologies by them, the majority of rural residents remained without work and were forced to eat bread, potatoes, vegetables and meat, which were not produced on their former lands, but corn tortillas. Since all of these products are exported from the country.
    This is insanity, the Moldovans eat corn, the author recalls the reports of Lenochka from Syria. Who pays for this misinformation? Tired of the articles of "well-wishers" - today's day - flooding in the Amur region, the damage is 3 mln rubles. Let's think about helping your Russians, abroad will wait! I am worried and will start swearing, the deceased grandfather spoke golden words - Sasha, do not look for brains in the house ... they were not there when they were not there, and no one has made sour cream from g.o. .... sour cream. He is right!!!! hi
    1. Kars
      Kars 14 August 2013 19: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: grafrozow
      Today’s flood in the Amur region

      By the way, Khobarovsk was shown in the news. And why are there Chinese characters on the road signs?
      1. Sour
        Sour 14 August 2013 20: 37 New
        +3
        /// Why are there Chinese characters on the road signs? ///
        A link to the studio, then there will be an answer.
        In your troubled news, they’ll not show it yet.
      2. grafrozow
        grafrozow 14 August 2013 22: 37 New
        -4
        Quote: Kars
        By the way, Khobarovsk was shown in the news. And why are there Chinese characters on the road signs?
        This is a question for the Khabarovsk traffic police.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 04: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Kars

        By the way, Khobarovsk was shown in the news. And why are there Chinese characters on the road signs?

        There is customs with China and is full of traders and tourists from both sides. By the way, it’s okay that in China everything is in Russian.
        And such a sign is full.
    2. Day 11
      Day 11 14 August 2013 19: 55 New
      -4
      Greetings! hi Helen from Damascus fulfills! Is it good or bad --- she is doing her job, for which she is paid. But, you must admit, she is doing the right job
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 14 August 2013 20: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: Den 11
        Helen from Damascus fulfills


        unsuccessfully picked up the word, now Elena will come and get the full program. wassat


        Quote: Den 11
        Is it bad, is it good, is it --- she does her job, for which she is paid. But, you see, she does the right job


        but after these words you will receive from professor and karish in full laughing
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 14 August 2013 20: 38 New
          +2
          Welcome hi I’m trying to be objective! I won’t give up on my principles! I’m sure that I don’t quite agree with me, but I am what I am
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 14 August 2013 22: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: Den 11
            Greetings I'm trying to be objective! I won’t give up on my principles! I’m sure that I don’t quite agree with me, but I am what I am


            hi
            it’s not that I agree with you or not, the matter is different, in the style of your comment.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 14 August 2013 23: 10 New
              -1
              As I can, I set out!
  • andru_007
    andru_007 14 August 2013 19: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: dropout
    No matter how monstrous the conclusion that the de-industrialization and depopulation of Ukraine are deliberately carried out, it is the only one that reasonably explains what is happening with the Ukrainian economy. Unless, of course, soberly assess the situation and do not assume that the Ukrainian politicians from both the government and the opposition have been massively crazy.

    We know who is to blame and who will say what and how to do.

    I also think about this, I need to somehow resist ... what
  • albatross
    albatross 14 August 2013 19: 55 New
    +4
    Yanukovych is better than Yushchenko, of course, but the more he is shown on the news, the more he resembles a TOB. Simple elephant tusk. And not even the tusk of an elephant, but the mammoth tusk.
    Here is such an allegory, such an association, such a subjectivity. Hello Ukrainians and good luck! hi
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 14 August 2013 19: 59 New
      +5
      Quote: albatross
      And not even an elephant's tusk, but a mammoth tusk.

      Dead mammoth, unfit for anything ...
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 14 August 2013 20: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: albatross
      he resembles a TUSTER.
      He is not a tusk, alas. Tusks are usually on the other side of the body. Oh, what I can not stand orange, but THIS ... sad
      1. MG42
        MG42 14 August 2013 20: 35 New
        +9
        Quote: albatross
        Yanukovych is better than Yushchenko, of course, but the more he is shown on the news, the more he resembles a TIVER

        Quote: Misantrop
        Oh, what I can not stand orange, but THIS

        clickable >>
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 14 August 2013 20: 52 New
          +1
          And by the way, when the already humanistic Europeans Yanuka, Julia then forgave ?? After all, a beautiful woman languishes in a dungeon, what about the List of Julia, human rights, etc.?
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 14 August 2013 21: 00 New
            +4
            Quote: zvereok
            After all, a beautiful woman languishes in a dungeon, what about the List of Julia, human rights, etc.?



            Who is "languishing" there? Not every sanatorium is so languishing. She has never tasted gruel before - food is delivered from an elite restaurant. Well, for visitors from Europe, soon the revolving door will have to be installed.
          2. MG42
            MG42 14 August 2013 21: 01 New
            +3
            Quote: zvereok
            And by the way, when the already humanistic Europeans Yanuka, Yulia is forgiven ??

            Judging by the latest news, they didn’t forgive, last week her supporters celebrated exactly 2 years in prison, I think that they will release her at the last moment before the summit, they are bargaining ..
            Her associate ex-Minister of Internal Affairs Lutsenko released a couple of months ago
            Quote: zvereok
            'Cause a beautiful woman languishes in a dungeon

            The beauty languishes in the hospital >>> video is really not fresh, but it hasn't changed much in its mode ..
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 15 August 2013 00: 07 New
              +3
              Quote: MG42
              the beauty will bathe in the hospital >>> video is really not fresh, but it has not changed much in its mode ..

              Most of all in the video I am rushing, the "poor fellow" suffers from a hernia !!!! Can't walk !!! while stiletto heels !!! belay
              1. MG42
                MG42 15 August 2013 00: 27 New
                +3
                I agree that a person with a chronic hernia of the intervertebral disc cannot wear high-heeled shoes, and indeed patients in hospitals wear slippers ..
                There was a video shot by a surveillance camera where she allegedly kissed Vlasenko’s lawyer and moved freely around the room without a walker .. but she only serves there = not only she will figure out the quality of the video ..
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 14 August 2013 21: 07 New
          +3
          Here it is, it is Ukraine ...
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 14 August 2013 21: 13 New
            +7
            Quote: Corsair
            Here it is, it is Ukraine ...


            Translation:Why, in Ukraine, still feast on?
            1. I am a Russian
              I am a Russian 18 August 2013 21: 19 New
              -1
              Quote: Corsair
              Translation: Why, in Ukraine still feast on?



              Legalize representatives of the oldest profession and tax
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  • andru_007
    andru_007 14 August 2013 19: 57 New
    +4
    Quote: Panikovsky
    like ilf with petrov, happiness awaits you on the road? maybe it flaps its wings with impatience? where, it says, Admiral booths, and so, it’s you, smelly, pissed, ugly Little Russian, very ugly, and very Little Russian, eat shit. Nitsche, I'm from Ukraine.

    I think you can’t talk like that with people ...
    I’m also from Ukraine and I won’t let people troll just like that.
    As for the situation, even a fool understands that Ukraine is being drained ...
    The question is what to do? ... And to do something, it is necessary ...
    One pleases while the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol to fully Ukraine in the EU is not dragged. So there is a chance.
    In Yanukovych, the east of Ukraine was disappointed; for the western part, he did not become his own. in 2015, Yanukovych is unlikely to win.
    Putin puts on Medvedchuk (after all, godfather). This he flew to him in Kiev at the Baptism of Rus.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 14 August 2013 20: 05 New
      +1
      I don’t quite understand your intricacies --- Medvedchuk, what can you say about him? I saw no impression in the news
      1. biglow
        biglow 14 August 2013 21: 00 New
        +2
        He is no Medvedchuk, he only appears upon Putin's visits and then also disappears ...
      2. grafrozow
        grafrozow 14 August 2013 22: 50 New
        +2
        Den, Ukraine cannot be understood by the mind, there is east and there is west, heaven and earth. I’ll throw off a picture from a Ukrainian magazine, the topic of relations between Belarus and Russia, it didn’t occur to a normal person, however ...
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 14 August 2013 20: 34 New
      -3
      Quote: andru_007
      In Yanukovych, the east of Ukraine was disappointed; for the western part, he did not become his own. in 2015, Yanukovych is unlikely to win.

      By 2015, that VUKAINEN will be gone.
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 14 August 2013 22: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: ATATA
        By 2015, that VUKAINEN will be gone.

        Enlighten, dear, where is the country VUKAINEN located, what kind of people live there? You lit up the primer immediately, but you had to at least look at the pictures. I sincerely sympathize with you.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 15 August 2013 20: 24 New
          0
          Quote: grafrozow
          Enlighten, dear, where is the country VUKAINEN

          And I respect yours, deep down to the bulb.
          Since, despite the flag next to the avatar, your essence is completely clear.
          VUKAINEN, is a temporarily occupied territory of big Russia.
          Which the illiterate invaders themselves so persistently call.
          The deputy of the invaders is sitting in Kiev.
          Any questions?
  • biglow
    biglow 14 August 2013 20: 10 New
    +5
    Here are the data from a recent social survey
    1. xan
      xan 15 August 2013 13: 51 New
      +1
      Khmelnytsky is a powerful man, I admit it. I thought that the second on the list, the often mentioned Grushevsky, meant something. Recently I read the book "12 Wars for Ukraine" by the Ukrainianophile Savchenko. Grushevsky theorist-not-practitioner, like our Yavlinsky, complete zero as a statesman. Better Petliura, that energy and constancy does not take. The rest are well-known personalities. In Russia, they would be ashamed to put such people on the list.
      Unlucky Ukraine with the elite.
  • Nuar
    Nuar 14 August 2013 20: 11 New
    +5
    All this is certainly sad, but I have a different question.
    Tuta, it seems, in the morning an article was about unfortunate Germans in Dachau ... or am I buggy? wassat
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 14 August 2013 20: 15 New
      +2
      I thought it’s only I was forbidden to go in there! They deleted the article! Why don’t I know
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 14 August 2013 20: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: Den 11
        !Why dont know

        If there is no water in the tap ...
        Well then you yourself know.
        In every joke, only a fraction of the joke.
      2. grafrozow
        grafrozow 14 August 2013 23: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Den 11
        I thought it’s only I was forbidden to go in there! They deleted the article! Why don’t I know
        There were problems, I couldn’t leave the komen, everything returned to the top of the page.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 14 August 2013 23: 13 New
          +1
          And I split up there (I love this topic), I managed to post one photo ...
  • zennon
    zennon 14 August 2013 20: 18 New
    +3
    National tragedy:
    The Ukrainian market captures imported lard from Poland, Germany and the Netherlands.

    The rest can not be read. laughing
  • Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 14 August 2013 20: 20 New
    +5
    and I guys, I won’t vote for the nickname. he, Klitschko, in the sense of a piece of shit.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 August 2013 20: 24 New
    +8
    I don’t understand you. Ukrainians .. here honestly (no offense) what are you trying to achieve In Russia, Ukrainians are both in power and ordinary people .. a lot And at home you behave like Balts and Poles (everything is clear with them) .. We’re almost fraternizing with Azerbaijan .. .and you are like weathercocks .. It's a shame all this .. (((
  • Sour
    Sour 14 August 2013 20: 49 New
    +5
    Ukraine is a country with a dying economy and an expanding population. This is a fact, no matter how much someone would like the opposite. Ukraine was unable to push the bar of national sovereignty (and still not tear). It is no more an independent state than Kyrgyzstan or Moldova. The desire of many Ukrainians to join the EU is nothing more than the desire to be on someone's content. And this is incompatible with sovereignty. In fact, in Ukraine, all politicians and all voters have long recognized the impossibility of an independent state. After all, anyone understands that if Ukraine is admitted to the EU, then it will enter there on the basis of a nursing home, which is fed from a spoon, and not as a significant subject. Although Ukraine will be admitted to the EU only after the collapse of the EU, not earlier.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 14 August 2013 20: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Sour
      Although Ukraine will be admitted to the EU only after the collapse of the EU, not earlier.



      Or after the collapse of Ukraine into parts according to the Yugoslav scenario.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 14 August 2013 22: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: Hudo
        Or after the collapse of Ukraine into parts according to the Yugoslav scenario.

        Quite a likely scenario, no matter how blasphemous it would sound for someone else. But there should not be a "fragmentation" of the territory exactly in the "Yugoslavian" way ...
        Not that national administrative division ...
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 14 August 2013 22: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Corsair
          Quote: Hudo
          Or after the collapse of Ukraine into parts according to the Yugoslav scenario.

          Quite a likely scenario, no matter how blasphemous it would sound for someone else. But there should not be a "fragmentation" of the territory exactly in the "Yugoslavian" way ...
          Not that national administrative division ...



          Guardians from the Phasington regional committee and their Euro-peer colleagues will help, and do not hesitate! To these reptiles, Slavic blood is like honey!
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 14 August 2013 23: 17 New
      0
      Sour, or anything personal, just go to Ukraine, talk with ordinary people, and then express your opinion. Remind my neighbor, when he was told that Egypt is in Africa, he was sincerely surprised, what kind of Africa? He is next to Turkey, well, what else to expect from the "new Russian"?
  • vkrav
    vkrav 14 August 2013 21: 13 New
    +7
    Although Ukraine will be admitted to the EU only after the collapse of the EU, not earlier

    "That's for sure!" (C)
    When the EU was chaired by a German, he said in plain text "... Ukraine will join the EU after Turkey. And Turkey will never join the EU" (c). "Ukrainians" still think that he was joking :).
  • Jet blackbird
    Jet blackbird 14 August 2013 21: 13 New
    +6
    .... Ukraine is a colonial semi-autonomous substance, where, in the absence of the owners, the colony is ruled by criminals and repeat offenders - gopniks ((Their patrons from Fashington are happy with the actions of local Gauleiters to collapse their own country ... and until the people of Ukraine "insert a piston "into the sweet spots of the local moronic" elite "- the" downfall "will continue further ...
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 14 August 2013 23: 20 New
      -8
      Quote: Jet blackbird
      .... Ukraine is a colonial semi-autonomous substance, where, in the absence of the owners, the colony is ruled by criminals and repeat offenders - gopniks ((Their patrons from Fashington are happy with the actions of local Gauleiters to collapse their own country ... and until the people of Ukraine "insert a piston "into the sweet spots of the local moronic" elite "- the" downfall "will continue further ...
      Watch out for the bazaar - "fellow countrymen" !!
      1. Jet blackbird
        Jet blackbird 15 August 2013 01: 59 New
        +1
        "Threaten" ... you will be your grandmother)) ... "zemlyuchOk"))
        1. grafrozow
          grafrozow 15 August 2013 16: 13 New
          -2
          Quote: Jet blackbird
          "Threaten" ... you will be your grandmother)) ... "zemlyuchOk"))
          Yes, no one threatens you, a lot of honor, but to write about your country in such terms, this is Alexander who does not add honor to you. Zemlyachek, not an insult, until 1983. lived in Artyomovsk, Donetsk region 200km from Mariupol, we went to Yuryevka to rest, hi
  • VikVik741
    VikVik741 14 August 2013 21: 23 New
    +4
    Question: why NarDepUk V. Boyko comments on the situevina at Khartsyzsk pipe, the owner of which is (not sure) a Russian company and is silent about what is happening at his Illich steel plant in Mariupol, which he handed over to Akhmetov. There is no talk about Azovstal, we multiplied it by 0.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 14 August 2013 21: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: VikVik741
      Question: why NarDepUk V. Boyko comments on the situevina at Khartsyzsk pipe, the owner of which is (not sure) a Russian company and is silent about what is happening at his Illich steel plant in Mariupol, which he handed over to Akhmetov. There is no talk about Azovstal, we multiplied it by 0.

      Everything went to ashes, literally all the spheres of the life of the state were destroyed, but in 91 there was such a potential ...
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 14 August 2013 23: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Corsair

        Everything went to ashes, literally all the spheres of the life of the state were destroyed, but in 91 there was such a potential ...
        The potential was in the 80s, and in 91 this began.
  • pamero
    pamero 14 August 2013 21: 23 New
    +2
    Each country lives within its borders and let Ukraine live as it wants. The time will come its lands will go to different states and peoples. History will bring everything back to square one! Even if they sell land, it will be possible to buy something.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 14 August 2013 21: 25 New
    +9
    It's a pity for the ukrov brothers, but they really want it, just like the "dear Russians" jumped out of the "scoop" in the late 80s and early 90s.
    There are few Ukrams, they have also been lured into the geyropa, convincing that they are not Russian Asians, but broad Europeans, ancient Ukrainians.
    I'm not gloating, I'm really sorry, but living in the former Esland Province / ESSR, I had seen enough of the national idiocy.
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 15 August 2013 01: 16 New
      -8
      Quote: Peaceful military
      It's a pity for the ukrov brothers, but they really want it, like the "dear Russians"

      I am very sorry for you, you are so smart, you know what they want 45 million. residents of Ukraine. Can you predict the weather for 2014 or what will Zhirinovsky think in 2015? Wanda is resting. hi
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 15 August 2013 14: 03 New
        0
        Alexander!
        It is a pity that even though not 45 million inhabitants of Ukraine, but the most passionate, noisy and wishing to be duped, i.e. Ukrainians want and you don’t have to be a predictor for this. It is enough to be up to date.
        You, maybe because of age, or maybe for some reason, do not enter the course of things.
        Yes, and in order to drag society somewhere, it is not at all necessary to be the majority. Good riddle, 100 wolves and a thousand sheep, who is the "majority" in this case?
        History unequivocally teaches that no nation, country has ever been driven by the majority.
        Learn, it is always useful. hi smile
        1. grafrozow
          grafrozow 15 August 2013 16: 25 New
          -1
          Quote: Peaceful military
          It is enough to be up to date.
          You, maybe because of age, or maybe for some reason, do not enter the course of things.
          You know better from the Baltic states, every year I "drive in" on vacation, my relatives are in Ukraine. My education is not so hot, I did not finish a party school, but I have enough 3 courses of HADI and TATT, OMSh. hi
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 15 August 2013 17: 32 New
            -1
            Great!
            And what, when you come to Ukraine, do you communicate with millions of "sheep" and thousands of "wolves"? That's it.
            At the household level, but in and around your environment, you will never see or understand what is happening in the future. This is not a rebuke, but only a statement.
            And from the former. The ESSR is indeed more visible, because we all went through 15 years ago and are reaping the benefits. From this and sorry ukrov. hi
  • Sour
    Sour 14 August 2013 21: 28 New
    11
    Not every nation can create a real sovereign state.
    This requires prerequisites.
    With all due respect to the Chuvash or Bretons, they will not succeed. It does not work for Czechs and Hungarians, Estonians and Bulgarians. It does not work for Ukrainians.
    You can artificially cut borders, proclaim a state, but it will not be really independent from this.
    No matter how Svidomo’s cheeks are puffed out, any attempt to rule Ukraine from Kiev leads to extinction, degradation, and squalor. It is possible to more or less stabilize the situation in Ukraine if it is controlled from Washington or Moscow. And this is the bitter truth. And it's time to stop pretending that this is not so.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 15 August 2013 00: 02 New
      11
      Quote: Sour
      No matter how Svidomo’s cheeks are puffed out, any attempt to rule Ukraine from Kiev leads to extinction, degradation, and squalor.

      But how can you steal !!! All! Even for the Lviv region, orphans were allocated vouchers to Artek at the expense of the state. So the orphans did not get a single ticket - the children of officials from the district and city administrations and other "necessary" people went at the expense of the state. Only there is a new head of the region - "alien". When I came across this, they began to figure it out ... promises that some of the "people" will lose their seats, but let's see if they fulfill the threat.
      I mean, the "top" absolutely do not care about the people, the economy, the country. If only to grab now, and then dump to Europe.
  • Constantine
    Constantine 14 August 2013 21: 39 New
    0
    Show it to your citizens and then hold a referendum on association with the EU. Advocates of this association after such data are simply executed sad
  • Akim
    Akim 14 August 2013 21: 41 New
    -2
    I'll shake it up. You know, despite the fact that Ukraine had to pay this year a multi-billion dollar interest on loans, high prices for external energy resources, countless and endless trade wars and political pressure from both the West and Russia, we have the same utilities, prices are not growing rapidly, and even on the contrary, the hryvnia is at the level of that year, no one is buying the dollar en masse, there is work, if the head is in place (I know from myself). Such articles and actions are aimed at breaking, but they only embitter many. The euro was held, the economy survived. Many objects turned out to be superfluous, but they will figure it out. No matter what, roads and schools are being repaired, new bridges are being built. Yes, a lot sucks, but just like in a fairy tale you can't live. We will live anyway, no matter how the "lovers of the Ukrainian catastrophe" want it!
    1. phantom359
      phantom359 14 August 2013 21: 48 New
      -1
      Quote: Akim
      I'll shake it up. You know, despite the fact that Ukraine had to pay this year a multi-billion dollar interest on loans, high prices for external energy resources, countless and endless trade wars and political pressure from both the West and Russia, we have the same utilities, prices are not growing rapidly, and even on the contrary, the hryvnia is at the level of that year, no one is buying the dollar en masse, there is work, if the head is in place (I know from myself). Such articles and actions are aimed at breaking, but they only embitter many. The euro was held, the economy survived. Many objects turned out to be superfluous, but they will figure it out. No matter what, roads and schools are being repaired, new bridges are being built. Yes, a lot sucks, but just like in a fairy tale you can't live. We will live anyway, no matter how the "lovers of the Ukrainian catastrophe" want it!

      Three pluses, dear. Still, the fuck would throw the opposition, so that it would not interfere with life and everything would be fine.
    2. Hudo
      Hudo 14 August 2013 21: 48 New
      +6
      Quote: Akim
      ... We will live anyway, no matter how the "lovers of the Ukrainian catastrophe" want it!


      Your words Akim are very close to anecdotal - I’ll buy a ticket, and in spite of the conductor I’ll go on foot. Sincerely.
      1. Akim
        Akim 14 August 2013 22: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Hudo
        Your words Akim are very close to anecdotal

        And how should I react if the majority here pounced on to peck at Ukraine and it is protected by 2-3 people, and the rest of the Ukrainian respondents, how did they come to the churchyard? I was "beyond that line", I didn't like it. Better life. Everyone is the master of his own destiny, not "Pope-Yanyk".
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 14 August 2013 22: 26 New
          +5
          Quote: Akim
          if the majority here attacked pecking Ukraine and it is protected by 2-3 people


          Freedom - the will! For me, it would be bent so soon, I couldn’t get the prolonged agony — the first places in the spread of AIDS and tuberculosis, in the decline in production, child mortality ... for a long time to list everything.

          PS I live in Ukraine and see it all with my own eyes.

          PPS Or do you like Comrade Sukhov from the film directed by Motyl, would you like to torment yourself before the inevitable?
          1. Akim
            Akim 14 August 2013 22: 44 New
            -4
            Quote: Hudo
            For me, it would be bent as soon as possible, until the last agony had already reached

            Do you know what they say in South Palmyra? You won't wait! What is the Eastern region - not familiar by = by hearsay Having left Donetsk, I do not want to move back to live. Familiar left Krasnodon for Ternopil region and has not regretted 10 years. Luhansk-Donetsk in these regions there is a massive panic mood. "If I want to fall into the sediment, after 0,5 cognac, I'll just call a friend in Donetsk and hear how bad everything is. Maybe you should go to rest in other regions?"
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 14 August 2013 22: 51 New
              +4
              Quote: Akim
              Maybe you should go to rest in other regions?


              So I go, and regularly.

              PS It’s not an idle question where you got your pink glasses. The ones through which you look at the surrounding reality?
              1. Akim
                Akim 14 August 2013 23: 05 New
                +4
                Quote: Hudo
                where did you get your pink glasses.

                In Odessa, in the joke store. But seriously, I don’t see the full F ... Life did not get better, but worse too. My relatives inherited a Khatyn in the village. There, from 2008-2012, gas was stretched out, roads were fixed, a kindergarten was opened, a new club was built on the site of the demolished site, the park was ennobled, eternal fire was fired at the monument to the dead villagers in the Second World War, a new boiler room was opened, a canteen was restored, a regular bus was returned message. mail. Will sucks in the city go there. You can watch not only through pink glasses. It all depends on the owner.
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 14 August 2013 23: 34 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Akim
                  It all depends on the owner.

                  A OWNER in the country CRUNNY
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 14 August 2013 23: 55 New
                    0
                    Quote: Corsair
                    A OWNER in the country CRUNNY

                    Why nod so high. Start with your area, where it should be engaged not in politics, economics. What prevents Yanyk from opening a sausage shop, a mini-dairy, and a bakery in the village? Repair a barn or start a herd? To put a brick factory or a mini-factory of metal structures? Take examples from the bottom, and you have already swung for sure.
                    1. Egoza
                      Egoza 15 August 2013 00: 17 New
                      0
                      Quote: Akim
                      What prevents Yanyk from opening a sausage shop, a mini-dairy, and a bakery in the village? Repair a barn or start a herd? To put a brick factory or a mini-factory of metal structures? Take examples from the bottom

                      All of you, dear, write correctly. Yanyk does not interfere. Only now the elderly pensioners cannot start a herd, or a mini = factory. Pensions are just barely enough for a communal apartment, and to buy bread. There is a "owner" in the village, who opened a pig farm for himself and adjusted the fields. The people are trying to earn something, who is even younger. Only this owner makes the calculation "in an original way" - they agree on one amount of products, after work they get something completely different. The "owner" makes a helpless gesture - taxes were raised, they were not sold at the price they had planned, fuel and lubricants and diesel fuel rose in price. And after all, no one will go to court, because then it will be more expensive for himself. Either they won't be hired to work again, or your hut will accidentally catch fire ...
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 15 August 2013 00: 25 New
                        0
                        South of Belgorod-Dniester there are villages where Bulgarians live. Children after universities will come back, because there is everything that I listed.
                2. Corsair
                  Corsair 15 August 2013 00: 03 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Akim
                  You can watch not only through pink glasses.

                  I remember L.D. Kuchma put it: "Only a blind person does not see our successes" ...
                  Who prescribed pink glasses for you?
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 15 August 2013 00: 10 New
                    0
                    Quote: Corsair
                    Who prescribed pink glasses for you?

                    Azarov. His phrase: Life has become better, life has become more fun. (it doesn’t matter that he slammed it). I did not say that life is hurt here. But not everything is so terrible as opponents paint.
                3. Egoza
                  Egoza 15 August 2013 00: 10 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Akim
                  There, from 2008-2012, gas was stretched out, roads were fixed, a kindergarten was opened, a new club was built on the site of the demolished site, the park was ennobled, eternal fire was fired at the monument to the dead villagers in the Second World War, a new boiler room was opened, a canteen was restored, a regular bus was returned message. mail. Will sucks in the city go there.

                  Wow!!!! Can you tell me the name of the village? Or who there from the "top" bought a hatynka for himself? In our village, the gas workers checked the gas - they swear - they are not supplying gas, but a grave sob - so many impurities! And the prices for both gas and electricity are rising.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 15 August 2013 00: 20 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Egoza
                    Can you tell me the name of the village?


                    v. Kovalevka in the Vinnitsa region. It just came a good head and helps to develop a small business. And people feel good and the village too. Yes, and near Odessa there are such. Comintern - for example.
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 14 August 2013 23: 29 New
              +4
              Quote: Akim
              "If I want to fall into the sediment, after 0,5 cognac, I'll just call a friend in Donetsk and hear how bad everything is.

              Donetsk region. in the Ukrainian SSR it was almost the most industrially developed. High social status provided residents with high-paying jobs. Now, ALARM, CRASH: enterprises do not work for those who still work chronically do not pay and delay salaries, salaries are paid in "envelopes" that is, without taxes and, accordingly, social benefits, quality level services in the "komunalka" -kirdyk, medical institutions are closing ...
              And if in more or less large prides there is something else and somehow in small towns and workers' villages - the AUT. The region is dying, so your friends and not yourself ..

              P \ S:Let me remind you that I come from Donbass, and I’m connected by a lot of photos ...
              DONBASS EMPTY DOES NOT REDUCE!
              I apologize for the text, the "space" is not displayed in the Yandex browser request
              1. Akim
                Akim 14 August 2013 23: 59 New
                0
                Quote: Corsair
                And if in more or less large prides there is something else and somehow in small towns and workers' villages - the AUT. The region is dying, so your friends and not yourself ..


                That's not the point. The psychology is mass. I remember that a cadet came to his parents on vacation. There was a fashion for black shirts with gold embroidery. And the whole millionth Donetsk went to them. Shaw in the army.
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                4. Corsair
                  Corsair 15 August 2013 09: 32 New
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  I remember that a cadet came to his parents on vacation.

                  I, too, was a cadet, and also came to my parents. But this was somewhat different at another time, in another country, which then still existed.
                  And my observations were different ...
                  At the end of 1990, having arrived home (Donetsk region of the Ukrainian SSR), he was simply dumbfounded by the abundance of nationalist propaganda in the form of leaflets, etc. from the RUH, and God knows who.
                  So in them, these very "paperwork" propagandizing "Great Ukraine", a mine of "prolonged" action was laid.
                  Although, I agree, THEORETICALLY Ukraine had a chance to become a self-sufficient, truly developed and independent state and not only with European authority. ALL for this it had, INCLUDING RESOURCES (a hint at your comment about "resource-poor Ukraine")
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 15 August 2013 10: 05 New
                    0
                    Quote: Corsair
                    a hint at your comment about "resource-poor Ukraine"

                    And I tell you again. Ukraine does not export raw materials as a main product. Here they earn more on sunflower oil and rapeseed than on raw materials.
                    Commodity structure of Ukrainian exports in 2012 30.03.13
                    Ukraine's exports in 2012 amounted to 68,8 billion dollars, having increased by 0,6% compared to the previous year and reaching a new historical maximum.

                    In the commodity structure of Ukrainian exports, metal products traditionally occupy a leading position.
                    The main goods in the Ukrainian export of metal products in 2012 were semi-finished carbon steel ($ 5,4 billion), hot-rolled sheet metal (3 billion), steel pipes (1,9 billion), fittings (1,6 billion), wire rod, ferroalloys (0,95 billion each), shaped steel (0,85 billion), cast iron (0,75 billion) and cold-rolled sheet metal (0,5 billion).

                    Second place in Ukrainian exports since the mid-2000s. takes food. In 2012, due to good harvests, physical volumes of food exports increased significantly, and high market conditions contributed to an increase in prices for it. The main commodities in Ukrainian food exports in 2012 were sunflower oil ($ 4 billion), corn (3,9 billion), wheat (2,4 billion), rapeseed (0,8 billion), soybeans, barley (0,7 each). , 0,65 billion), chocolate products (0,35 billion), cheeses (0,3 billion) and flour products (XNUMX billion).

                    Important commodity export groups of Ukraine are products of general and special engineering (10,6% in 2012), chemicals (8,8%), vehicles (8,7%), minerals (5,8%) and fuel ( 5,3%). In 2012, the proportion of groups of engineering products grew, while the shares of the remaining groups of the above groups decreased. The share of vehicles reached a record high largely due to significant deliveries of railway equipment and components, and the share of fuel fell to its lowest level over the past 14 years due to a twofold drop in oil refining volumes and, consequently, a decrease in the export resources of oil products. The share of mineral raw materials, despite a decrease compared with the record level of the previous year (due to lower iron ore prices), remains significantly higher than previous indicators.
                    1. Corsair
                      Corsair 15 August 2013 10: 39 New
                      0
                      Quote: Akim
                      Here they earn more on sunflower oil and rapeseed than on raw materials.

                      Sunflower and rapeseed (according to ukrainets.SUREPKA) are plants that intensively "drain" fertile soils, that is, leading to a drop in soil fertility.
                      The European Union obsessively encourages the widespread planting of these crops. And if with sunflower somehow more or less (there is processing capacity), then rapeseed is mainly exported to the European Union and processed there for "biodiesel".
                      Thus, Europe uses Ukraine as a RAW appendage, and this is only a particular example.
                      And in general, practically the entire range of products of Ukraine with "low added value" exported abroad can be considered as raw materials.
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 15 August 2013 10: 54 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Sunflower and rapeseed (according to ukrainets.SUREPKA) are plants that intensively "drain" fertile soils, that is, leading to a drop in soil fertility.

                        If you plant sunflower, corn, ripak not always on the same field there will be nothing wrong. Yes, rapeseed is now like raw materials. In Ukraine, there are still no plants that process it into fuel, but there are already floodlights.
                        And so you can call everything raw. And grain too. Just admit that you miscalculated and do not try to get out.
                      2. Corsair
                        Corsair 15 August 2013 11: 19 New
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        And so you can call everything raw. And grain too. Just admit that you miscalculated and do not try to get out.


                        11.04.13

                        Tell THIS to your "Guarantor" ...

                        УKrajina needs to reduce the export of raw materials and semi-finished products, which today is about 80%. The President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych told about it during a meeting with an administrative and economic asset of the Nikolaev area.

                        “Today we export about 80% of raw materials and semi-finished products. And we need to process this,” the head of state said.

                        V. Yanukovych stressed that it is necessary to increase the depth of processing of resources. According to him, the deeper the processing, the better the financial result from the sale of products.

                        According to the President, it is also necessary to increase the competitiveness of Ukrainian goods. Now there is very strong competition in the world, and the one who has better quality and lower cost is winning the fight for the buyer, the head of state emphasized.

                        As you know, the largest share in the structure of Ukrainian exports is occupied by food products and metal. In particular, in January-February of the current year, in the commodity structure of export operations of Ukraine, food and agricultural products occupied 28%. Metals and products from them accounted for 27%.

                        MinProm

                        And more:http://minprom.ua/news/120725.html
                      3. Akim
                        Akim 15 August 2013 11: 40 New
                        0
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Tell THIS to your "Guarantor" ...


                        I have nothing to say to him, unfortunately he is illiterate. But he did not say that the share of raw materials exceeds all maximums. I said yesterday: Ukraine mostly exploits semi-finished products. Naturally, not only their, but also to a lesser extent, raw materials, but this is a small income from the "currency nadhojen" Of course, it is better to export machine tools, diesel locomotives and aircraft. That's what he meant. And you are trying to make a hole in my head and shove it there that Ukraine is a raw material power. According to English sources, we are a rich country in natural resources. Only they are not needed by anyone, unlike oil, gas, timber.
                      4. Corsair
                        Corsair 15 August 2013 11: 55 New
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        I have nothing to tell him, unfortunately he is illiterate.

                        "Guarantor" is not "authority" for you, you do not consider the conclusions of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine and the opinion of Boris Paton ...

                        Can you go to the presidency of Ukraine? And I will be as "Azirov" ... lol
                      5. Akim
                        Akim 15 August 2013 12: 29 New
                        0
                        Quote: Corsair
                        "Guarantor" is not "authority" for you, you do not consider the conclusions of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine and the opinion of Boris Paton ...

                        In some ways he is right, but he is not a guru to listen to him with only a sinking heart. As for Paton ... Zampotila also does not run around the warehouses herself when she signs the statements.
      2. grafrozow
        grafrozow 15 August 2013 01: 45 New
        +3
        I used to live in Artemovsk, came on vacation and ocher ... The champagne factory is still breathing, the French factory is working, and the rest of the enterprises are in deep ... Glass, brick, pipe, labor victory, vostokmash, dorindustriya .... The picture is not of pleasant ones.
        Quote: Corsair
        : Let me remind you, I come from the Donbass, and a lot of photos connect me ...
  • Good Ukraine
    Good Ukraine 15 August 2013 02: 42 New
    +5
    Quote: Akim
    And how should I react if the majority here attacked pecking Ukraine and it is defended by 2-3 people, and the rest of the Ukrainian respondents gathered to the churchyard?


    Sorry brother, but for what such feats Ukraine should be praised ???
    So I live in Kiev and don’t see when positive changes can occur in Ukraine. Let me explain: for example - in the Russian Federation everything is clear until 2016 Putin will be. From 2016 to 2022 the fastest too. That is, Russia will develop.
    And with us: until 2015, Yanyk - fly down. After 2015 = who? To not come - do not care down. Who can lead the country up ???. That is, until 2020, we are completely sucks. What's next???
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 15 August 2013 05: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Dobryak Ukraine
      Let me explain: for example - in the Russian Federation everything is clear until 2016 Putin will be. From 2016 to 2022 the fastest too

      Putin will be until 2018, after which he will no longer be likely.
      1. Good Ukraine
        Good Ukraine 15 August 2013 21: 49 New
        0
        hi
        Quote: Warrawar
        Putin will be until 2018

        Sorry, I really made a mistake about 2016.
        Putin has done so much since 2012 (in one year) that I thought he was from 2010.
        This is our stuffed animal since 2010 on the throne.
        Well, if you hope that you will no longer be president, then we have a chance ...
        Give it to us. Maybe we will get better.
    2. Akim
      Akim 15 August 2013 07: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Dobryak Ukraine
      Sorry brother, but for what such feats Ukraine should be praised ???


      There is nothing to praise. But it is too early to rub from anticipation of the hand. But you ask about politics, I try not to go there.
      1. Good Ukraine
        Good Ukraine 15 August 2013 21: 58 New
        0
        hi
        Quote: Akim
        There is nothing to praise. But it is too early to rub from anticipation of the hand. But you ask about politics, I try not to go there


        I'm not talking about politics either.
        I’m saying that a bunch of redneck politicians have ravaged the whole country and hope to escape punishment. The question is different - why is this happening?
        I believe that people deserve their government.
        In Ukraine the king is "redneck" because the people are like that.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 15 August 2013 08: 50 New
    0
    Quote: Akim
    And how should I react if the majority here attacked pecking Ukraine and it is defended by 2-3 people, and the rest of the Ukrainian respondents gathered to the churchyard?

    Adequately and carefully ...
  • Sergey_K
    Sergey_K 14 August 2013 22: 15 New
    -2
    I will support. 19 I am going to rest for you.

    PS
    How much hatred for Ukraine on this site ...
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    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 14 August 2013 22: 38 New
      10
      Quote: Sergey_K
      How much hatred for Ukraine on this site ...
      Not at all. But to her silly leadership and its unchanging, despite the change of classrooms, the course - really dofiga
      1. Sergey_K
        Sergey_K 15 August 2013 00: 03 New
        -4
        Oh yes, Ukrainians, our smaller brothers ... Well, well.
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          1. Kars
            Kars 15 August 2013 00: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            The first time I put a minus on the site.

            In vain, it was generally sarcasm. For those who like to get warm and sympathize with Ukrainian problems, that’s high, from Olympus.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 15 August 2013 00: 28 New
              0
              In vain you are so Andrew!
            2. Akim
              Akim 15 August 2013 00: 31 New
              0
              Quote: Kars
              In vain, it was generally sarcasm

              I realized that I was in a hurry so I deleted the comment. Minus Sergey_K - sorry.
      2. MG42
        MG42 16 August 2013 00: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        Not at all. But to her silly leadership and its unchanging, despite the change of classrooms, the course - really dofiga

        + 10 500! Yanukovych is the mistake of the East who voted for him!
        On YouTube there is a video where one granny wishes him everything he thinks with a 3-story mat ..
        Is this some kind of glitch or is it true 10 warnings? Yesterday it was like you had 1?
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 16 August 2013 22: 46 New
          0
          Quote: MG42
          Yanukovych is the mistake of the East who voted for him!
          This is IMHO not a mistake, but a banal lack of choice. After all, the column "against all" was removed ... request
          Quote: MG42
          Is this some kind of glitch or is it true 10 warnings? Yesterday it was like you had 1?
          This is not a glitch, but the result of the actions of the moderator shpuntik, already the former, as I was told today. It was he who tried to prove his innocence in this way in the dispute about the versions of the Kursk's death ... Everyone selects arguments in accordance with their intelligence and capabilities ... lol
    3. grafrozow
      grafrozow 15 August 2013 01: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: Sergey_K
      How much hatred for Ukraine on this site ...
      Yes, rather than hate, not understanding that sooner or later our life will force us to unite, and the sooner the better both Russia and Ukraine will be. They fought back and defeated the Nazis and the prevailing meaning should prevail.
    4. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 15 August 2013 08: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Sergey_K
      How much hatred for Ukraine on this site ...


      Nonsense!!! To Ukraine, a good attitude But to those who drag Ukraine into * opu ... they belong to them ......

      Quote: Sergey_K
      I will support. 19 I am going to rest for you


      don't lie * hell before the ride
      1. Akim
        Akim 15 August 2013 08: 50 New
        0
        Quote: I am a Russian
        Nonsense!!! Good attitude to Ukraine

        Tell me, these are the dead fishermen who were ... from the Donetsk region. There are those who do not share power and people. Himself in the hands of PPSnikov in Novorossiysk visited.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 15 August 2013 10: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: Akim
          Tell me, these are the dead fishermen who were ... from the Donetsk region.

          Poachers Those who are desperate to earn even a penny in Ukraine and who have decided to "fish" in the waters of Russia (in the coastal zone closed to navigation), call a spade a spade.
          By the way, during the time of the USSR, no one was outraged by such actions of the Soviet "border guards" in relation to the Japanese "brakush", at least in our country, because they understood that the state was protecting its interests ...
          And the whole srach about such incidents is a pure policy, which You dont love.
          1. Akim
            Akim 15 August 2013 10: 32 New
            0
            Quote: Corsair
            pure politics that you do not like ...

            But I do not touch politics. Pure jurisprudence and economics. To begin with, there are no borders in the Sea of ​​Azov. Like an amateur fisherman who netted on the Danube
            (I repent 1 time) I will say. While the network is not in the boat, it is not possible to prove anything. And not when she is caught in the sea two days later. And technically, where did you see the kamikaze Ukrainians going to ram? (wrong manner at sea). Let them be poachers, but the border guards committed the killing. And the political component of power justifies them. In Ukraine, the same parsley, when it passes without too much noise.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 15 August 2013 10: 50 New
              +1
              Quote: Akim
              To begin with, there are no borders in the Sea of ​​Azov.


              Naturally "THE BORDER is written on the water with a pitchfork" laughing BUT...

              Morskaya Pravda »Issues» Issue _№28 (0268) 17 / 07 / 12 »Demarcation of the maritime border of Ukraine and Russia: Tuzla Island and the Kerch-Yenikalsky Canal will remain Ukrainian territory

              Demarcation of the sea border of Ukraine and Russia: Tuzla Island and the Kerch-Yenikalsky Canal will remain Ukrainian territory

              Russia and Ukraine agreed on the delimitation of the sea border in the Sea of ​​Azov and the Kerch Strait. The corresponding agreement is expected to be signed on July 12 in Crimea, at a meeting of the presidents of the two countries - Vladimir Putin and Viktor Yanukovych.
              According to Kommersant-Ukraine, the border in the Kerch Strait will pass along the line on which the Ukrainian side insisted.

              On Ukrainian territory, in particular, Tuzla Island and the shipping Kerch-Yenikalsky Canal will remain. True, according to Valery Chaly, deputy director of the Razumkov Center for Economic and Political Studies, the Ukrainian side is ready to agree to share this channel.
              As for the partition of the Sea of ​​Azov, this, according to the publication, reached a compromise: the border line will pass between the inquiry positions of Ukraine and Russia. Under the agreement, it is also planned to divide the Pallas oil and gas area on the shelf of the Black Sea, which will provide an opportunity for joint extraction of resources.
              Negotiations on the definition of the border in the Kerch Strait, as well as in the waters of the Sea of ​​Azov, have been ongoing between the two countries since the 90's. Russia refuses to divide the strait along the former intra-Soviet administrative border, since in this case it will lose control of the only deep-water channel and will have to pay Ukraine for the passage of vessels through its territorial waters.
              In turn, Ukraine has repeatedly pointed out to Russia that, for example, the Russian-Estonian border in the Narva and Finnish Gulfs, at the insistence of Russia, was drawn along the former Soviet administrative border. Ukraine demands to divide the Kerch Strait in a similar manner in accordance with international law.
              In 2003, a dispute over the Ukrainian island of Tuzla Spit in the Kerch Strait led to an exchange of sharp statements between Ukraine and Russia and to increased border controls on the part of Ukraine. The conflict around Tuzla arose when Russian builders began to build a dam in the direction of the island. Work was carried out by decision of the administration of the Krasnodar Territory, concerned about the destruction of the coastline of the Taman Peninsula due to the erosion of part of the spit. But the Ukrainian authorities regarded the construction of the dam as an encroachment on the sovereignty of the country.
              Marine business news of Ukraine

              It's enough?
              1. Akim
                Akim 15 August 2013 11: 05 New
                0
                Quote: Corsair
                It's enough?

                Not. Is there an agreement on delimitation and demarcation of borders in the Sea of ​​Azov? I answer it myself. Not. Ukraine wants most, Russia naturally disagrees. On the sim, negotiations stalled.
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 15 August 2013 11: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Akim
                  On the sim, negotiations stalled.

                  It is quite possible that I missed this moment, but the agreement signed earlier (2003) on "Dry borders in the Sea of ​​Azov" nevertheless gives a certain right to the countries that signed it independently to determine the zone of their interests based on the outlines of the coastline. For this reason, there are international norms, however interpreted in different ways, remember at least the violation of the USSR border by the US Navy ships in the Black Sea ...
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 15 August 2013 12: 01 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Corsair
                    but an earlier (2003) agreement was signed on "

                    In the same year we agreed. that the Sea of ​​Azov will be the inland waters of the two powers. No matter. Once there are border guards there, they defend the economic interests of their state legally. It’s just that they don’t think that these poachers fished on an industrial scale in order to ram their motorboat during the pursuit because of the miserable centner of fish that was not there yet. The outfit has exceeded its authority and must respond by law. Yes, just do not plant them, but give time to this poor survivor. That is the policy.
                    1. Misantrop
                      Misantrop 16 August 2013 22: 59 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Akim
                      It’s just that they don’t think that these poachers fished on an industrial scale in order to ram their motorboat during the pursuit due to the miserable centner of fish
                      On one of the forums "needleworkers" I met this on this occasion:
                      Complete nonsense, there are such incidents on Azov every other day, or even every day, our "fishermen" are out there. They put two powerful motors on the vessels and figurines in foreign waters, mom do not cry, in case of a "fuse" one becomes behind the motors, holds on to specially welded arcs and covers the engines from the sniper, all this continues for decades, poaching is getting stronger, there are fewer fish, but here's the trouble with the impunity of the problem, here you need to be closer to Berdyansk and Mariupol in order to understand something
                      This is the opinion of a person who lives just in that area, and is indifferent to politics
                    2. Akim
                      Akim 17 August 2013 06: 57 New
                      0
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      then - the opinion of a person who lives just in that area,

                      To poachers there should be a punishment and term. And it is right. I also do not gravitate towards politics. Wrong go on a dangerous maneuver in pursuit of them. Traffic cops do not chase a motorcyclist if he is without a helmet. And to prove that these poachers are very difficult - although I am sure that they were them.
      2. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 15 August 2013 17: 45 New
        +1
        Spell things by their names
        Border guards opened fire on violators of the state border
        You are pathetic writing this -
        Quote: Akim
        Tell me, these are the dead fishermen who were ... from the Donetsk region.
        1. Akim
          Akim 15 August 2013 18: 04 New
          0
          Quote: I am a Russian
          Border guards opened fire on violators of the state border

          Yes, if the Ukrainian border guards would bring down all smugglers from Transnistria, an international scandal would have long ripened. Let children shoot visas in the border areas who run to the grandmother from village to village to the next village without documents
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 16 August 2013 23: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            Yes, if the Ukrainian border guards would bring down all smugglers
            Akim, I have an acquaintance - the deputy head of the educational work department of the border troops of Ukraine (all, not a specific part). So the information is pretty reliable. Ukrainian border guards are not at all white and fluffy, they are not particularly shy to shoot. Here are just a few of them, the borders are guarded by an engineering method, the frontier posts are empty, people and equipment are concentrated in detachments. For the sake of a single "carrier" people and equipment are rarely pulled (too expensive) ...
            1. I am a Russian
              I am a Russian 16 August 2013 23: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: Misantrop
              Ukrainian border guards are not at all white and fluffy, they are not particularly shy to shoot.


              I am glad that there are still honest Ukrainians in Ukraine. Looks like a breed for Ukrainians ".... s" have not yet found an approach to you, have not lured you to your side
            2. Akim
              Akim 17 August 2013 07: 01 New
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              Ukrainian border guards are not white and fluffy at all, they’re not too shy to shoot


              I had a friend at the institute about five years ago who was the head of the detachment (and it was on that section with Transnistria) There, for one incorrectly issued cartridge, they arranged a thrashing.
              1. maxvet
                maxvet 18 August 2013 20: 51 New
                0
                served in the border troops
                Quote: Akim
                incorrectly issued cartridge

                these are defining words, it is necessary to correctly describe the situation in the explanatory, and to know by heart the rules for using weapons of frontier
  • Good Ukraine
    Good Ukraine 15 August 2013 22: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: Sergey_K
    How much hatred for Ukraine on this site ...


    Not on the site, but in the shower.
    Now imagine: I was born and have lived all my life in Ukraine and I HATE this government with the part of the population that lives according to the principle "Let it be bad for me, if only my neighbor (read the Russian Federation) was bad." And there are many such people.
    How can these idiots (this country) be loved ???
    1. Kars
      Kars 15 August 2013 22: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Dobryak Ukraine
      that part of the population who lives according to the principle "Let it be bad for me, if only the neighbor (read the Russian Federation) was bad"

      It feels like you think that everything only matters to the Russian Federation))
      And the funniest thing is that everyone is moaning about European integration, and for some reason AUTOMATICALLY consider that to go under the Russian Federation is the best option. Why not under China? Or someone from Arab oil sheikhs?
      1. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 18 August 2013 21: 54 New
        -1
        Quote: Kars
        And the funny thing is that here everyone is moaning about European integration, and for some reason AUTOMATICALLY consider that going under the Russian Federation is the best option.


        Did not find it necessary instead of your word - LECH write another word?

        Are you so used to the idea that "you" will have a loan for this Ukraine? Or are you Kars hinting that you are not averse to trying a "helicopter" when you ... and around the gay opera amers and yours?
  • Sour
    Sour 14 August 2013 22: 31 New
    +6
    There is a work? And what a fig in Russia makes so many "workers"? I was in the Czech Republic, there are also enough of them there. And to the west and to the east they are felled in crowds, what kind of "work is there"? And not only to earn money, but whole families go to permanent residence. And quite even representatives of the titular nation. I personally know many who left Ukraine in the prime of life, and only once a year relatives come there to visit. And one hundred times fewer people leave Russia for Ukraine, and even then they are not able-bodied people, but pensioners, to their homeland.
    According to official figures, 128 thousand Ukrainian guest workers are working in Russia. Almost as many as Tajiks. And twice as many as the Chinese.
  • komsomolets
    komsomolets 15 August 2013 02: 09 New
    +2
    And you are my optimistic friend, it seems to me your pink glasses are a fake from China, throw them away.
  • Selevc
    Selevc 15 August 2013 17: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    I'll get it in. You know, despite the fact that Ukraine had to pay a multi-billion interest on a loan this year,

    Everything is cool - if only to know where those billions are spent for which we are now paying !!!
    1. Akim
      Akim 15 August 2013 18: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Selevc
      billions for which we are now paying

      Ask Julia, she’s hanging around somewhere near you.
  • individual
    individual 14 August 2013 21: 50 New
    0
    We have run out of Roshen candies for Russia.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 14 August 2013 21: 52 New
      +1
      Should I be delighted, or vice versa, saddened?
      1. Akim
        Akim 14 August 2013 22: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        Should I be delighted, or vice versa, saddened?

        It depends on what sweets lover you are. I wouldn’t care.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 14 August 2013 22: 08 New
          0
          Yes, I, as a matter of fact, do not care either! Children eat them in kilograms. The wife is the same. And I don't care.
          1. Akim
            Akim 14 August 2013 22: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: Den 11
            And I don't care.


            As a man in the street, I can tell Onishchenko THANKS for the "cheese war". He has fallen in price here a lot. The macroeconomic plans, of course, are bad. Well, at least they began to pay subsidies for cows. They did not let the milking Burenoks go under the knife.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 15 August 2013 04: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              As a man in the street, I can say THANK YOU Onishchenko for the "cheese war". It is much cheaper with us

              Now your prices will crash wassat
              1. Akim
                Akim 15 August 2013 07: 28 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Now your prices will crash

                Only at you it rises in price. I drank Chilean wine in the Rostov region when they replaced Moldovan and Georgian. Kerosene and for a lot of money. Believe me, I am sorry that in Russia they prefer to drink a cocktail made from burda, to which they add politics. I have an analogy with my childhood when my parents bought a dozen kilograms of green bananas, because hell knows when they will bring it.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 15 August 2013 00: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: Den 11
        Should I be delighted, or vice versa, saddened?

        Rejoice! So many soybeans, palm oil and other things began to be "put" there under Petya that ...
        In general, see here

        Europe, ice cream and toxins
        http://www.versii.com/news/284486/
    2. Akim
      Akim 14 August 2013 21: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: individ
      We have run out of Roshen candies for Russia.

      When I see Russian Borjomi commercials "Return of the Legend"I have a double feeling ...
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 15 August 2013 09: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        When I see Borjomi's Russian ad "The Return of the Legend", I get a double feeling ...


        Control yourself, "duality" leads to mental problems laughing (joke)
        1. Akim
          Akim 15 August 2013 10: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: Corsair
          Control yourself

          And what should I do? If I rejoice at the resumption of supplies and gloat over Onishchenko, who did not crush Georgia by not buying Borjomi and their tangerines. Ordinary Russians were deprived of this pleasure, but he quietly ate it all.
          1. xan
            xan 15 August 2013 14: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Corsair
            Control yourself

            And what should I do? If I rejoice at the resumption of supplies and gloat over Onishchenko, who did not crush Georgia by not buying Borjomi and their tangerines. Ordinary Russians were deprived of this pleasure, but he quietly ate it all.

            Yeah, representing Onishchenko joyfully guzzling Borjomi
            Akim, you lose adequate, probably from insult
            1. Akim
              Akim 15 August 2013 15: 13 New
              +1
              Quote: xan
              joyfully guzzling Borjomi

              Do not take it so literally. It just seems to me that he is cracking all the products on which ordinary Russians are banned because they are harmless. He does not care about your health. I don’t take offense at him. I'm violet. It’s unpleasant for you.
          2. maxvet
            maxvet 18 August 2013 20: 54 New
            0
            Do you really think that Onishchenko himself decided it?
            1. Akim
              Akim 19 August 2013 06: 29 New
              0
              Quote: maxvet
              Do you think that Onishchenko himself decided?

              Of course not. In the last 6-7 years, this is the Kremlin's favorite weapon - trade attacks. And he is just a "chain dog" who was told by the FAS!
  • Tektor
    Tektor 14 August 2013 21: 59 New
    +1
    Probably, the matter is too serious ... Politics or economics. Transnistria (politics by other means) or swine fever with genetically modified plants: there are no borders for them. Or maybe preparation for the introduction of foreign passports: arrived - departed.
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 15 August 2013 12: 59 New
      0
      And most likely this:
      Ukraine is going to sign an Association Agreement with the European Union
      http://vz.ru/economy/2013/8/13/645485.html
  • individual
    individual 14 August 2013 22: 01 New
    0
    Russia will manage, but E. Poltavtsev and V. Yanukovych let them think.
  • I am a Russian
    I am a Russian 14 August 2013 22: 33 New
    -4
    with the help of Ukraine they want to ruin Russia It certainly will not succeed, but denyushki will be pulled out of the pockets of Russians
  • individual
    individual 14 August 2013 22: 44 New
    +4
    Quote:
    "This Center is responsible for the implementation of the project of macroeconomic reforms of the Harvard Institute, developed for Ukraine in the 1990s. The main customers of the Center's research for the listed Ukrainian institutions are the European Commission, the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Poland. , The World Bank."

    The fruits of the development of such a center were driven by Russian unfortunate reformers in the dashing 90s Gaidar, Chubais, Koch under the watchful eye of the CIA.
    Russia so far cannot be cleared of their influence.
    Now history is repeating itself, but already in Ukraine.
    History teaches us that it teaches nothing.
  • anatoliy.colonel
    anatoliy.colonel 14 August 2013 23: 40 New
    -1
    In how much we rejoice in the grief of others and miscalculations of others, and even where the bogey Romania is located, we surpassed us in terms of per capita income. Why rejoice themselves are the same, if not worse, if not for nuclear weapons then they would have been lower than the baseboard and no one would have considered us.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 15 August 2013 09: 09 New
      0
      Quote: anatoliy.colonel
      When we rejoice in the grief of others and miscalculations of others, and even where the bogey Romania is located, we surpassed us in terms of per capita income.

      But we, then, "flutter", go slowly forward.
      And Ukraine ...
    2. xan
      xan 15 August 2013 14: 29 New
      0
      Quote: anatoliy.colonel
      In how much we rejoice in the grief of others and miscalculations of others, and even where the bogey Romania is located, we surpassed us in terms of per capita income. Why rejoice themselves are the same, if not worse, if not for nuclear weapons then they would have been lower than the baseboard and no one would have considered us.

      about Romania infa where?
      Tolya, who offended you? Where are the brains and the ability to think lost?
  • tirazu
    tirazu 14 August 2013 23: 58 New
    +3
    It looks like Ukraine's western "partners" want to turn it into a gas shale dump, thus killing two birds with one stone: a blow to the Russian budget with falling gas prices and the destruction of Ukraine as a territory suitable for living. Note the legislative prohibition of shale gas production in England and France and the simultaneous expansion of Shell into Ukraine. Due to the depressing economic situation, oil shale mining may seem like a panacea to the Ukrainian authorities. Thus, Geyropa will get hold of cheap gas in exchange for endless empty promises to make Ukraine a "real Europe".
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 15 August 2013 02: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: tirazu
      It looks like Ukraine's western "partners" want to make a gas shale dump out of it, thus killing two birds with one stone: a blow to the Russian budget with a fall in gas prices and the destruction of Ukraine as a territory suitable for living
      Plus, attempts to dispose of nuclear waste in old mines in the Donbass, I remember the rallies in 98g.
  • Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 15 August 2013 00: 18 New
    +6
    Once again, I am convinced of the wretched foreign policy of the Kremlin.
    Ukraine "plunged" into the WTO and was forced to take a step towards the European Union.
    The Kremlin, as always, took offense and blocked the import of Ukrainian products to Russia. All Ukrainian manufacturers were suddenly included in the "black list" .. Whoa !!
    Well, is not it idiocy ??
    With whom did we not just organize "food wars"?
    How will Ukrainians look at us? Yes, they next to us on the same field to ease no longer sit down.

    And what are we happy about ??
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 15 August 2013 00: 28 New
      +3
      Can you elaborate on your suggestions to rectify the situation?
      1. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 15 August 2013 00: 58 New
        +1
        Respected studentmati

        Unfortunately, I have to do without specifics in this case ...
        The situation is artificially created by powerful people and we cannot afford to correct it.
        What do you think, what would the unsurpassed masters do to find the right way out of their similar situations - the Americans ??
        Obviously with financial and economic assistance ...
        This is their method and very, mind you effective.
  • bublic82009
    bublic82009 15 August 2013 00: 19 New
    +4
    what can I say? Ukrainians constantly saved Europe, and now they will save it. only people will be in poverty. but they themselves deserve it. they wanted independence from Moscow, so they got dependent on Brussels and Washington. they will be free from everything they will not have anything.
  • Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 15 August 2013 00: 40 New
    +5
    There are no free and independent states in the modern world, and there cannot be any more. But, there is one "but" - everyone strives to join the number of friends around strong and rich empires.
    In a way, these are alpha males ...
    Unfortunately, Russia at this stage is not such in fact.
    So why blame Ukraine and others for being so unattractive.
    This is our problem ...
  • Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 15 August 2013 01: 25 New
    +4
    Someone who did not say or represented - and Ukraine, originally Russian lands! Do you want to or not! Therefore, it will be - Ukraine is an indivisible part of Russia. Try to further challenge this fact, which has developed since the times of Kievan Rus. And it is not necessary to say that, they say, Austria-Hungary, and to tol, Rzeczpospolita, in a compartment with the Teutons, have historical rights to this territory of Russia.
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 15 August 2013 03: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: grafrozow
    Quote: Kars
    By the way, Khobarovsk was shown in the news. And why are there Chinese characters on the road signs?
    This is a question for the Khabarovsk traffic police.

    No, this is a question for TV of European Ukraine laughing
    I tell you, as a Khabarovsk citizen.
    1. VasDA
      VasDA 15 August 2013 10: 05 New
      +1
      to a point ... half a day puzzled: where is such a sign? laughing constantly by car and throughout the city ...
  • sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 15 August 2013 07: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I don’t understand you. Ukrainians .. here honestly (no offense) what are you trying to achieve In Russia, Ukrainians are both in power and ordinary people .. a lot And at home you behave like Balts and Poles (everything is clear with them) .. We’re almost fraternizing with Azerbaijan .. .and you are like weathercocks ..


    Well, this is not to the Ukrainians, but to their rulers.
  • sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 15 August 2013 07: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Samsebenum
    Once again, I am convinced of the wretched foreign policy of the Kremlin.

    Bold plus !!!
  • 128mgb
    128mgb 15 August 2013 10: 16 New
    +1
    In our regional center this year the last brick plant was cut. There is only one processing of products left. Ukraine goes back to 1900. Zarobitsky, farm laborers, seasonal workers. And, of course, the "foreman" (emphasis on and) of various kinds. And such was the flourishing republic in 87. With "nasty yahs" by the way.
    1. Akim
      Akim 15 August 2013 10: 35 New
      0
      Quote: 128mgb
      Ukraine returns to 1900

      Then the brick cost money, and now with two sold onions, you can buy an apartment in Nikolaev
  • 128mgb
    128mgb 15 August 2013 10: 28 New
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    Well, at least they began to pay subsidies to cows. They did not let the milk Burenok under the knife.

    What are you talking about? What are the subsidies for cows? Milk is now taken from 1.80 to 2.30 per liter. With the closure of the border, speculators stopped buying at all, I don’t know where to put it.
    1. Akim
      Akim 15 August 2013 10: 42 New
      -2
      Quote: 128mgb
      Milk is now taken from 1.80 to 2.30 per liter. With the closure of the border, speculators stopped buying at all, I don’t know where to put it.

      There is And such, but there are villages where cows are bought from the villagers, if they want to cut them, and driven to farms. Receive subsidies build their milk processing plants. In general, the state farms returned.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 15 August 2013 14: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Akim
        There is And such but there are villageswhere cows are bought from the villagers, if they want to cut them, and driven to farms. Receive subsidies build their dairy plants. In general, the state farms returned.


        And there is also the country "UTOPIA", geographically located between Russia and the European Union.
        1. Akim
          Akim 15 August 2013 15: 15 New
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          And there is also the country "UTOPIA"

          Let it go. Does it annoy you?
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 15 August 2013 15: 56 New
            0
            Quote: Akim
            Let it go. Does it annoy you?

            Amazes! Amazes your lateness ...
            1. Akim
              Akim 15 August 2013 16: 08 New
              0
              Quote: Corsair
              Your astonishment strikes ...

              I spoke yesterday. I will not accept someone’s point of view in order to please. You want to see the glass half empty, I see it half full. That’s the whole difference.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 15 August 2013 16: 17 New
                +2
                Quote: Akim
                You want to see the glass half empty

                IMHO more important is not the level of filling the glass, but what it is filled with
              2. Corsair
                Corsair 15 August 2013 21: 12 New
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                I will not accept someone’s point of view in order to please.

                You will "please" and "serve" in the EU, while Russia offers you PARTNERSHIP.

                P \ S: As you can see, your comments are already "parsed" into quotes, there is a good chance of becoming the second Mao wink
                1. Kars
                  Kars 15 August 2013 21: 16 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Corsair
                  Russia, however, offers you PARTNERSHIP.

                  They made fun. Partnership is not offered like that.
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 15 August 2013 22: 10 New
                    0
                    Quote: Kars
                    partnership so don't offer
                    Yeah, especially if you break away for 20 years ... lol
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 15 August 2013 22: 41 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      Yeah, especially if you break it for 20 years.

                      Well, you bent it for 20 years. The Russian Federation until oil went up was not up to it.
                      1. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 15 August 2013 23: 26 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Kars
                        Russia until oil went up was not up to it
                        I won't tell you about the civilian range, but for another 10 years, "walkers" from the Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleet came to Fiolent (Simferopol) for spare parts. Rowed out EVERYTHING, including the shortage and substandard. The plant was a monopolist. BUT ... he was ORDERED to curtail production for the Navy. It was not just that he took up jigsaws and milling cutters, he had to survive somehow ... request
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 15 August 2013 23: 31 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        We raked EVERYTHING, including incomplete and substandard

                        And what does it have to do with it? There were economic ties, and some for some reason continued to exist for a long time, which undermines your theory about the evil intentions of spies and NATO, otherwise Yuzhmash did not serve the ICBMs, and much more. And I'm talking about neo-imperial ambitions of the Russian Federation
                      3. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 16 August 2013 00: 00 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Kars
                        that undermines your theory of evil intent. spies and NATO
                        And what does it have to do with it? belay And in what way does it "undermine"? Someone gave the order, but not everything went out abruptly.
                        And the empire IMHO is the ONLY stable form of sovereign existence of the Slavic peoples. Otherwise, they will eat ...
                      4. Kars
                        Kars 16 August 2013 00: 21 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        After all, someone ordered, not everything itself went out abruptly.

                        And why not itself? The Russian Federation that did not reduce its submarine fleet? The Russian Federation had a lot of money when the budget was made up with the planned oil price of 19 dollars?
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        And the empire IMHO is the ONLY stable form of sovereign existence of the Slavic peoples. Otherwise, they will devour ..

                        Empires have tendencies to collapse. And usually with a lot of blood. And sovereign, and even Slovenian peoples. The Russian Federation is full of non-Slovenian peoples .. Here I personally do not want to live in the same state with Chechnya, even though these devils have come to us.
                      5. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 16 August 2013 00: 29 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Kars
                        Empires tend to fall apart. And usually with a lot of blood.
                        How many centuries has the British Empire been falling apart? Great-grandfathers did not wait, maybe the grandchildren will see?
                        And why not itself? The Russian Federation that has not reduced its submarine fleet?
                        Because the demand for 10 years significantly exceeded the supply. Until they started production at their factories, making sure that it is pointless to expect supplies from "Fiolent"
                      6. Kars
                        Kars 16 August 2013 09: 29 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        How many centuries has the British Empire been falling apart?

                        So it collapsed if you weren’t up to date. There was pure symbolism. And all the same, you should take into account the development of information technology, transport connectivity. Now everything happens very quickly.
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        Until production is established at their plants,

                        Where is the guarantee that this was not the reason? And the fact that there was great demand is very doubtful.
                      7. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 16 August 2013 09: 55 New
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                        Quote: Kars
                        Where is the guarantee that this was not the reason?

                        Well yes, really, where are the guarantees? That the nuclear submarines still in service are 10 years lost the ONLY supplier of unique equipment - this is not an argument, right? Years are just "a moment between the past and the future" (c)
                        By the way, the plant not only worked for the fleet. The nuclear industry (including Ukraine) also purchased its non-contact high-precision sensors. I repeat - the plant was monopolist in the USSR in this direction ...

                        The scenario for the end of "perestroika" is quite typical, one and the same method of creating a deficit and excitement about this. In the late 90s, I remember, there was a terrible shortage of smoking in the country. All tobacco factories in the USSR were simultaneously closed for reconstruction. Feodosia refused to close and ... almost immediately the finished goods warehouse and raw materials warehouses caught fire. ALL. Accident, right? wink
                        Quote: Kars
                        So it fell apart if you are out of touch. Remained pure symbolism
                        Yes, the very symbolism that allows the metropolis to maintain control and profits without being responsible for satellite problems. So it really was time to fall apart, there were too many problems on the periphery, expensive pleasure ...

                        Quote: Kars
                        I personally don’t want to live in the same state with Chechnya
                        That's right, Chechens are different after all. Hezbut Tahrir’s are another matter. A serious organization with strict discipline and clear goals. Why not banned here ... lol
                        Quote: Kars
                        Empires have tendencies to fall apart.

                        States also arise, live and disappear. Maybe you shouldn’t bother with the state, was there a Wild Field for centuries? .. It will be again ... Although, it seems, I have already been late with this idea, it is already being implemented. Soon they will finally break down and run away ... sad
    2. Akim
      Akim 15 August 2013 21: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Corsair
      You will "please" and "serve" in the EU

      Oh, like With a loathing, with pepper ... Until
      God is high, far from the king, we would have to understand at the local level, and not climb into the top of the economy. Look at the city of Ladyzhin (the same Vinnitsa region). Clean, well-groomed, flowers in flower beds and flowerpots on the street. Look at Ivano-Frankivsk. Shame on the street ashamed. They don’t understand that. And look at the Donetsk cities (may fellow countrymen forgive me). Where he stood with ice cream, he threw a piece of paper there and did not bring the empty beer bottle to the ballot box. What prevents us from doing this. besides own lack of culture?
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 15 August 2013 22: 21 New
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        Quote: Akim
        What prevents us from doing this. besides own lack of culture?
        The general condition of the streets and the lack of waste bins intended for this. Just don't tell me that "in-oh-oh-from there I saw an urn, not yet filled to the brim ..." lol Last summer, I was resting in Mezhvodnoye. Also Crimea and also a lot of vacationers from all over the CIS and not only. BUT garbage bins - at every step (and removal 2 times a day strictly, passes a car or tractor with a trailer). And ... none Don't throw trash in the streets. Not like paper or a stub, but even a cigarette butt. THE SAME vacationers that dirtied the whole of the South Coast on the roofs of houses. IMHO you can always see the attitude to order on the part of local authorities, the behavioral reflex changes accordingly. It is not necessary to depict hereditary pigs from the population of the southeast, they only behave in accordance with the stereotype that has developed in this place. Purely so as not to get out of the total mass. We have already taught that to stand out from the crowd in ANY direction is fraught with not weak troubles ... request
        1. Akim
          Akim 15 August 2013 22: 45 New
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          Quote: Misantrop
          Last summer, rested in Mezhvodnoye

          I also live in a resort town. The newcomers are pigs. Logic: Why am I going to clean, I pay money to the city treasury. In all fairness, I must say that city governors do not differ in our culture of behavior either. And the local nouveau riche too. They love their city only in words, and in general they only "love" it. Moreover, in all poses.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 15 August 2013 22: 53 New
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            Quote: Akim
            Visitors are pigs.

            You do the right thing that you do not accentuate WHO these pigs ... In the Ukrainian town of Uman "pilgrims" come from one of the "far abroad" countries and get up soooo!
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          2. Akim
            Akim 15 August 2013 22: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Corsair
            Do it right that you do not accentuate WHO these pigs

            The pig has no nationality, and about Uman you gave a good example.
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        3. Misantrop
          Misantrop 15 August 2013 23: 31 New
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          Quote: Akim
          I also live in a resort town.
          Akim, I have lived in resort towns (and almost all Crimean cities are resort towns, a feature of the region), I have lived almost my whole life, with the exception of years of service (and even then I flew on holidays to Crimea). Over half a century seen enough on vacationers. That is why the situation in Mezhvodnoy was struck. I emphasize, there are SAME vacationers, there are no barriers at the entrance, they do not wrap anyone. But the behavior is dramatically different
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 15 August 2013 22: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Akim
      Oh, like With a bit of milk, with pepper ...

      Once there was a passage in Kiev, the reconstructed railway station was commissioned - cleanliness, beauty!
      Two years later, the same "maneuver", but the picture is somewhat different:
      rubbish is already lying around, the lighting does not work in places, the same crap with the taps in the toilet and "electric towers" ...
      As I was told then, the reason is "saving on staff."
      And this is the capital where there is no money support infrastructure, what can we say about small settlements, where "city-forming" industries are destroyed and, accordingly, there are no deductions to the budget.
      The devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads, and in this case in the heads of your politicians and managers.
      1. Akim
        Akim 15 August 2013 23: 04 New
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        Quote: Corsair
        And this is the capital where there is "no" money to maintain the infrastructure

        The capital has a lot of money. And to build new metro stations and to open bridges and overpasses. Simply, the larger the city, the greater the irresponsibility. With the new Donetsk railway station, a similar situation.
    4. Good Ukraine
      Good Ukraine 16 August 2013 00: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Akim
      Look at the city of Ladyzhin (the same Vinnitsa region). Clean, well-groomed, flowers in flower beds and flowerpots on the street. Look at Ivano-Frankivsk. Shame on the street ashamed. They don’t understand that.


      Dear Akim, I read you and dreamed about "HOW COOL TO LIVE IN UKRAINE". Poyom woke up and cannot understand "Either YOU ARE NOT LIVING IN UKRAINE OR ME".
      According to your "dazibao" we already live somewhere in paradise.
      Wake up, go outside and look around. I have a lot of relatives living in the Russian Federation and in the same Moscow. I ask you "Don't even compare"
      As for the quality of the products, there are no gaps at all.
      Onishchenko is very easy to work with. Our products with Russian and Belarusian can not be compared. Only a liar or a blind man does not see this.
      If our products and other products are as good as you say, why is the EU not buying them?
      1. Akim
        Akim 16 August 2013 07: 28 New
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        Quote: Dobryak Ukraine
        Our products with Russian and Belarusian can not be compared. Only a liar or a blind man does not see it

        Why do many people think that I deify Ukraine here?
        Just saying it. Normal country, not clogged without miserable. Which one can be found everywhere and in Ukraine it is enough. Only many want to see some cons. You look at TSN at 1 + 1 and already pack your bags, from the mass of the negative that pours from the screen. And I'm like a prospector. Out of the whole mass of this pond. I find a valuable grain of sand. And the more you look closely, the more good drops of value are in your piggy bank.
        Even in the same Odessa you can find either one garbage or a lot of useful things .. Watching from what angle to look.
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 15 August 2013 12: 53 New
    0
    Quote: 128mgb
    Milk is now taken from 1.80 to 2.30 per liter.
    We have imported milk, a liter from 36 rubles and above, the quality is not what. How much is the Ukrainian hryvnia?
    1. Akim
      Akim 15 August 2013 13: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: grafrozow
      How much is the Ukrainian hryvnia?

      9 hryvnia. But in the shops we also have 7-8 hryvnias. While it reaches the manufacturer to the seller, it will rise in price by three to four times.
    2. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 15 August 2013 13: 10 New
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      Quote: grafrozow
      , liter from 36 rubles and above

      it's 9 hryvnia
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 15 August 2013 12: 46 New
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    The main thing is the local owners.
    If local (city, rural, district) authorities move in Ukraine, the situation will not be as sad as some Ukrainian haters are trying to present. Where there are people with their heads, farms and mini-plants appear, and not only rapeseed and sunflower are sown. To build a mini-plant for processing agricultural products + land for harvest, or a farm, will cost about $ 125000. This is quite a lifting amount for a middle-aged businessman. The payback period is from 2 to 6 years. The market is domestic, export to the EU, export to Asia. (Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia ...) Well, that’s if the Russian Federation closes the border.

    And now the moment - what will Russia lose by closing the borders of Ukraine in return? This is not as little as you think, dear forum users. Gas has already been cut by almost 40%, which is a lot of dollars. Russia will have to build factories for the production of machine tools, mine and mining equipment, or buy from the EU at exorbitant prices. The timber market going to Ukraine will collapse. Ukraine buys a lot of timber and pulp and paper products and raw materials ... the list goes on. BOTH countries face huge losses. And there is no need to scoff that Ukraine is a minuscule export. If it were minuscule, they would have forgotten all this boil long ago, and did not order such articles from "independent" copywriters)))

    It is necessary not to fight, but to AGREE !!!
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 15 August 2013 16: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      It is necessary not to fight, but to AGREE
      Of course you do. But the word "negotiate" has two meanings. One is the process, the second is the result. And the second is just not observed. Since the firm position: "Gas - write, and the rest - for nothing" IMHO not quite the same conditions in the current realities
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 15 August 2013 16: 39 New
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      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      or buy from the EU at an exorbitant price.

      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      .. the list goes on.

      I would add KrAZ, GAZPROM is still buying.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 15 August 2013 17: 36 New
        +1
        I did not write about what can be replaced. In addition to heavy trucks, they also buy wagons .... etc.
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 15 August 2013 21: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      Russia will have to build factories for the production of machine tools, mine and mining equipment, or buy from the EU at exorbitant prices. The forest market going to Ukraine will collapse. Ukraine buys quite a lot of wood and pulp and paper products and raw materials ... the list goes on.


      About the forest:
      Sorry, wipe what you will? In the old fashioned mug?

      Mining equipment factories were still in Russia under the USSR and are operating, while Ukraine, having its own plants, buys Chinese products for the mining and mining complex ...
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 13: 40 New
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        Quote: Corsair
        Ardon, wipe, what will you do? In the old fashioned mug?

        find on paper, don’t worry.


        Quote: Corsair
        were in Russia still under the USSR and are working, Ukraine, having its own similar plants, buys Chinese products for the mining and mining complex ...

        They work, but apparently the equipment has not been changed since the days of the USSR. Since I even have a 25% duty, Ukrainian equipment is CHEAPER, and most importantly BETTER than Russian.

        Do you speak Chinese? And also German machine tools. This is called an upgrade. And in Ukraine there are not all plants that ALL can. As in Russia, however. This does not change the essence.
  • taseka
    taseka 15 August 2013 12: 50 New
    +1
    So for Ukraine, the WTO is a FULL TRINDER, and for Russia - grandeur and happiness! With one amendment - for the oligarchs of the oil and gas complex. In short: Gazprom is the property of the people !!! Funny right !!!
    1. wax
      wax 15 August 2013 13: 10 New
      +1
      The river for those who can’t swim is a complete tryndets, and for those who can swim, they can swim in it.
    2. wax
      wax 15 August 2013 13: 10 New
      0
      The river for those who can’t swim is a complete tryndets, and for those who can swim, they can swim in it.
  • wax
    wax 15 August 2013 12: 57 New
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    This is the kind of Ukraine the West needs
    http://wow-impulse.ru/news/4357-razvrat-v-odesskih-nochnyh-klubah-prodolzhaetsya
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