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Baranets: Russia learned the bitter lessons of the Five-Day War with Georgia

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Baranets: Russia learned the bitter lessons of the Five-Day War with GeorgiaExactly five years ago, without a declaration of war, Georgian troops attacked South Ossetia. August XXXX President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev announced the start of a peace enforcement operation. Within days, the Russian army and the South Ossetian militia routed the aggressor and liberated South Ossetia. Anatoly Sokolov, a military observer at Rosinformbyuro, asked the retired colonel of the General Staff, Viktor Barants, to tell about the unknown pages of the Five-Day War.


- Viktor Nikolayevich, our intelligence, really, “overslept” the preparation of Georgia for war?

- Partly. The scouts of our peacekeeping contingent in North Ossetia worked directly at the junction of the borders, where Georgia was concentrating its troops, and transmitted information about these dangerous maneuvers. But some army commanders and leaders of a higher rank in the General Staff regarded their data as a banal provocation by Saakashvili, which was done earlier many times and did not betray it to proper importance.

The employees of the GRU and SVR worked on the territory of Georgia itself and transmitted information through various channels about the advancement of columns of Georgian troops in the direction of Tskhinval. But this information was also not given due importance. As a result, the information transmitted to the General Staff did not work. At that time, there was no center capable, on the basis of the information received, to take the only correct decision and prepare the troops for various scenarios.

- What can you say about the role of the General Staff in the initial period of this war?

- The beginning of hostilities is already covered with a thick layer of fairy tales, conjectures, gossip and rumors. But I know the facts when the "seasoned" generals from the General Staff, who were dismissed by then Serdyukov, were again called in to perform certain functions. The war with Georgia showed that our army was not reformed according to the best scenario. Specialists were drawn to the General Staff on the principle of personal loyalty and acquaintance, and not on the head and the brains in it. And for this, the former head of the General Staff Nikolai Makarov, who proved himself to be a talentless commander and, to the great surprise of the Russian army, received the Golden Star of the Hero of Russia, bears the lion’s share of the responsibility.

- Is it true that the initial failures of our troops were due to the repair at the General Staff that was underway at that time?

- Then the repair of the General Staff was really going on, and a number of its services were relocated to Leningradsky Prospect to the joint headquarters of the Collective Security Treaty. In connection with the transportation of documents and equipment, the “brain” of the General Staff was disarmed. Centralized communication worked well, but operational communication did not work. Because of this, the army commander 58 was forced to use the mobile phone military correspondent "Komsomolskaya Pravda" Alexander Kots.

- How do you assess the actions of our troops, especially those who came to the aid of peacekeepers?

- The actions of our troops at that time are estimated differently. At the first stage - this is a mess, confusion, loss of control, illiterate tactics. The second stage was very different from the first. After taking control of the troops in firm hands and correct conclusions from the first mistakes, the approach of fresh units with military equipment, the war went according to the Russian scenario. If continued actions in this manner could lead to the fact that the Russian flag would hang over the residence of Saakashvili. But analysts of the General Staff, the Ministry of Defense and the Kremlin presented a possible global resonance from such actions and our troops were stopped at 15 km from Tbilisi. The Russian leadership considered it possible to dwell on the reached turn and considered the task of forcing Georgia to peace, considered solved.

- Which of the Russian military leaders of the five-day war would you mention? What was their military fate?

- I do not know people who would act correctly and without mistakes at all stages of the war. Everything was determined by the situation. In particular, it is impossible to make a complaint to the 58 command of the army, which did not receive answers to its requests to the General Staff, and then turned out to be fools.

But I am outraged by the fact that many combat officers, who at first were confused, but took themselves in hand and acted perfectly in the future, then were dismissed from the army. Here I would note them, because these people were under bullets, they went through the war and this is the gold reserve of our army. But later a number of them sat in trench coats, drank beer and wept for insult for unfair treatment of them by Serdyukov.

- How to explain our loss aviation during the Georgian campaign?

- The use of long-range aircraft today is recognized as a great tragic folly. I consider such a decision a manifestation of some elite aviation illiteracy, which is associated with loss of control, and with a poor analysis of the situation, and with a lack of understanding of the tactical situation on the battlefield. The generals who dared to take such a step got theirs and many of them are now “courageously” growing strawberries in their dachas and writing memoirs.

But the loss of aviation was also caused by the fact that the Georgian army was pumped by serious NATO and Ukrainian air defense weapons. Their presence and the professionals who managed this weaponsUnfortunately, it was not taken into account. The reliability of this is absolutely proved by prisoners, found documents and documentaries. Another reason is that we did not conduct reconnaissance and did not appreciate the threat to our aviation, for which we paid. The lesson presented to us will be remembered for a long time and I think that we will not step on this “rake” a second time.

- Your assessment of the actions of the Chechen battalion "Vostok"?

- His actions were very effective. This is confirmed by the participants in the fighting on both sides, eyewitnesses say. I want to mention the excellent tactical and physical training of the battalion, which acted very professionally and caught up with a lot of fear on the Georgians. The merit of the battalion is that it helped our troops strike the Georgians in the rear, who were often at a loss for us to give up their positions and equipment. The school available in the battalion may serve as a kind of prototype of the Russian professional army. Currently, the unit is in good shape, and God forbid that there are more such “Vostok” in the Russian army.

- Viktor Nikolayevich, have we learned the lessons of this war? Is the Russian army ready for threats from the South?

- Ready, for the conclusions of the lessons learned are made. This is evidenced by the fact that we have deployed 2 brigades in this region, put up-to-date, stronger weapons there and are conducting constant reconnaissance taking into account the bitter lessons of August 2008 of the year. In short, we keep this region of Russia under a tight cap.
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  1. makst83
    makst83 14 August 2013 09: 27
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    The biggest mistake on our part is that our troops were stopped 15 km from Tbilisi! Analysts from the Kremlin and the General Staff presented a possible global response from such actions ..... To start the third world war because of Georgia or freeze investments, not buy oil and gas and still find 100500 ways to infringe us !? It is ridiculous to God!)) It is needed insofar as, in Georgia, there is one type that crap Russia and that’s all! We take Batono Mishiko by the scruff of his neck and take him to court, for criminal acts against our peacekeepers and civilians in Tskhinval, the world would HAVE it and not choke! Then you can think for yourself .....
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      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 14 August 2013 18: 25
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        Battalion "Vostok"
      2. experienced
        experienced 14 August 2013 18: 31
        +7
        Quote: seasoned
        What is your assessment of the actions of the Chechen battalion Vostok?

        - His actions were very effective. This is confirmed by the participants in the fighting on both sides, eyewitnesses say. I want to mention the excellent tactical and physical training of the battalion, which acted very professionally and caught up with a lot of fear on the Georgians. The merit of the battalion is that it helped our troops strike the Georgians in the rear, who were often at a loss for us to give up their positions and equipment. The school available in the battalion may serve as a kind of prototype of the Russian professional army. Currently, the unit is in good shape, and God forbid that there are more such “Vostok” in the Russian army.


        This is a good answer to those losers who recently upheld the opinion that there were no Chechens in Georgia. winked There were Georgians who fled, only a rumor passed that Russia Chechens harnessed.
        Well, on the topic is scarce and "chewing common truths." I agree about aviation, the nonsense was complete and the generals did not need to grow strawberries in their gardens, but to cut down the forest in the tundra.
        Here recently one Georgian pimple declared that he fought, I will be grateful to the one who drops his nickname in a personal note, I will arrange a personal vendetta for him ... However, everyone under Georgian flags will seem to be "hot". Let them remember the classics: "You are not my brother" hi

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    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 14 August 2013 22: 21
      +8
      Quote: seasoned
      Thank you all

      lewerlin53rus
      Well, I’ll repeat the question. So who defeated the Georgian army?
      dc120mm
      BSRF who is it? Do not aliens

      Man behaved pretty well
      1. Normal
        Normal 14 August 2013 22: 47
        0
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        Man behaved pretty well

        He fought against our ...
  • VAF
    VAF 14 August 2013 18: 38
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    Quote: seasoned
    This is a good answer to those losers,


    Lyosha, hello!
    Delivered to the author, + but ... he is disingenuous ... not much wassat

    - How to explain the loss of our aircraft during the Georgian campaign?

    - The use of long-range aircraft today is recognized as a great tragic folly. I consider such a decision a manifestation of some elite aviation illiteracy, which is associated with loss of control, and with a poor analysis of the situation, and with a lack of understanding of the tactical situation on the battlefield. The generals who dared to take such a step got theirs and many of them are now “courageously” growing strawberries in their dachas and writing memoirs.

    None of those who made the "Decision on the DB" ...... did not "carry" anything ... like "strawberries at the dacha" .. not one ... everything is at the helm !!!!

    Well, one more thing .... like now we are ready ... um .. well, after all, I promised without criticism, but how can we "restrain ourselves" (when ... figure skating and diving ???? so one already ... "dived" today in India).

    So without urya. Just look, carefully measure, the distance from the target where the NARs lay down and .... "screaming joyfully" yes, we will break the fuck out of everyone now, well, etc.

    And by the way, a day, PMU, Visibility is a million to a million, a dive approach ... I would have been an air defense officer ... I would have shot down with a slingshot ... or just a stone. without a sling ..... sad all this .. oh. how sad.



    That yesterday. one "ardent admirer of Super-Duper" reproached ... that they say I live and think everything in the distant 80s .... that's how I want to say, so take it and calculate what losses we had in the 80s and what in 2008 ...... "uryakalka" angry
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 14 August 2013 18: 50
      +4
      Hi Seryozha. Chains of funnels from air bombs at the airfield in Samtredi (Georgia).
      1. valerii41
        valerii41 14 August 2013 19: 00
        +1
        Well bombed not along, but across
        1. VAF
          VAF 14 August 2013 19: 52
          17
          Quote: valerii41
          Well bombed not along, but across


          Those who knew how ... all are retired, and this is ... "the new reformed generation" (and what should I say successfully toreformed, at least our Supreme Command says so, and you can't argue with him ... lol ).

          Without GPS .. probably already .... "marriage bed" will not be found recourse crying request



          So ... what we have, then ... we know ... especially for some .. "who have all the frontiers" .. already on ..the castle ?! wassat
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 14 August 2013 20: 08
            +6
            .....................................
            1. VAF
              VAF 14 August 2013 20: 28
              +5
              Quote: Alex 241
              .....................................


              Sanya ... the famous "horse .." good Without this ... nowhere and ..never ... the last briefing. Especially when on the PSU link, and even a couple!



              When I look at him .. straight and breaks out .. "The wing was attached to the pipe ... it turned out Su-7B" drinks
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 14 August 2013 20: 35
                +5
                Combat Rook emblem in a flight bomb, dropping bombs laughing
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 14 August 2013 20: 36
                  +2
                  A unique emblem made in one copy and belonging to the MiG-23 fighter No. 64
              2. Normal
                Normal 14 August 2013 22: 41
                0
                Quote: vaf
                ... it turned out Su-7B "

                At the regimental exercises in the 85th, a couple like these imitated an enemy air raid. On a shaver ... a strong impression ...
                Then I was tired of cleaning the machine gun; "reflected" blank laughing
              3. avia12005
                avia12005 15 August 2013 07: 01
                +5
                One ordinary regiment on the Soviet IBA Su-7b would destroy Georgia understandably to which mother. I would say, shoot the reformers from Gorbachev on and on, I will, and I will not suffer. So saved the life of the guys. drinks
            2. old man54
              old man54 16 August 2013 02: 18
              -1
              Quote: Alex 241
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              Su-7b in the photo?
      2. Alex 241
        Alex 241 14 August 2013 19: 06
        +4
        ......................................
      3. VAF
        VAF 14 August 2013 19: 08
        15
        Quote: Alex 241
        Chains of funnels from air bombs at the airfield in Samtredi (Georgia).


        Hello Sasha! Yes, I know all these reports about the "successful" implementation of the knowledge base crying Almost everything ... "past the snout"!

        Here on the site there were two "urya-articles", one dedicated to the "great victory of the Navy", ... m..yat ... if only the author was ashamed. after all, everything is documented. that the Mirage fired past the snout, that all the missile boats were drowned by the now deceased swan, from his RDG, and the same thing at the airfields.
        The second article was about the actions of aviation ... there is generally a complete p..etc ... the author writes about the destroyed enemy aircraft and a photo of a blooper ... and there are two series .. "to nowhere" lie (or in a bright future wassat ) all 8 attack aircraft and two Mi-24s are quietly in caponiers ... it's good that one bomb "fell into the MRD" but it's no use ... but "we tore them all up" (yeah, approaching the runway at an angle under 90-gr crying )

        Well, about the Scout-bomber .. it's generally .. "song" fool the author probably is not aware that the only scout who could "throw" something was the MiG-25RB, and let (and then only V-V) this is the Su-24MR .. all .. all the rest, only the INTELLIGENCE.

        Well, for the results of monitoring combat use, the Tu-22M has its own AFA-42/20 and if at night there is NAFA-MK-75, which work both for control and for route photography (although the overlap needs to be set large, and it turns out to be awkward, but in normal photo labs and from "this" they made excellent tablets) !!! good

        And all this is controlled by the "equipment" navigator-operator "(PU AFA is just on the right, in front of the side rail of the chair (right leg, stands behind the RP at the navigator).



        And here .. just like in the 41st .. shock group and at the end the photographer .... recourse I just can not understand .. what prevented the rodents .. to put everything "! recourse

        Yes, for this .. "planning" should not be sent to strawberries, but to "sunny Magadan" and for life soldier
    2. experienced
      experienced 14 August 2013 18: 58
      +6
      Quote: vaf
      Delivered to the author, + but ... he is disingenuous ... not much

      Serega hello hi This is a retired colonel of the General Staff, to tell what the colonels in the General Staff are doing if the generals are working like couriers there ... Apparently a strong analyst if I found one for the interview wassat He at the time when he was delivering tea to cabinets, he heard something wink
      Quote: vaf
      None of those who made the "Decision on the DB" ...... did not "carry" anything ... like "strawberries at the dacha" .. not one ... everything is at the helm !!!!

      We have Serdyukov as a witness, and Vasiliev is a prisoner in an apartment ... What to ask from these poor fellows?
      Quote: vaf
      so one already ... "dived" today in India).

      Not dived, but "fireworks". Fortunately, not a single Russian died hi
      Quote: vaf
      And by the way, a day, PMU, Visibility is a million to a million, a dive approach ... I would have been an air defense officer ... I would have shot down with a slingshot ... or just a stone. without a sling ..... sad all this .. oh. how sad.

      Bugaga, but in mourning tone
      Quote: vaf
      That yesterday. one "ardent admirer of Super-Duper" reproached ... that they say I live and think everything in the distant 80s .... that's how I want to say, so take it and calculate what losses we had in the 80s and what in 2008 ...... "uryakalka"

      Well, there are no words, the country needs Heroes, but ... gives birth ... wassat
      1. VAF
        VAF 14 August 2013 19: 28
        +7
        Quote: seasoned
        Not dived, but "fireworks". Fortunately, not a single Russian died


        Yes ... not a "sickly" fireworks " belay , only here is the boat. it seems to be ..... someone’s recourse



        Well, plus to what I wrote earlier ... The Great One can say ... "she drowned", but I said ... "she dived" ... after all, one must take the "example" from the Great Ones wassat

        Quote: seasoned
        Bugaga, but in mourning tone


        And what remains ..... everything is as it is ... "without all the prospolipolymers" soldier

        This is fresh ....



        And this is the release of last year and I hope the difference is visible? And this is ... for the whole year recourse

        1. bask
          bask 14 August 2013 19: 47
          +2
          Quote: vaf
          This is fresh ....

          Greetings vaf. hi
          But do we need a new attack aircraft-dive, with a piston-turboprop engine.
          It is for attack, airfields and columns, bases in the mountains.
          Example: American attack aircraft OV-10 Bronco.
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          2. Alex 241
            Alex 241 14 August 2013 20: 14
            +2
            I’ll correct you, piston and turboprop engines are different, the second one is created according to the technical specifications of the SU-25, figuratively speaking as an aircraft capable of peeking into window leaves and chimneys. So creating a screw plane makes no sense.
            1. bask
              bask 14 August 2013 21: 03
              +6
              Quote: Alex 241
              So there is no point in creating a screw plane.

              Thanks for the info Alex.
              Then, only use in a massive UAV, reconnaissance ... and shock.
              Tactical, mini UAV. launched from a hand, should become an integral part of a platoon, company, etc. .. These UAVs penetrate into each slot.
              The presence of various types of shock reconnaissance UAVs, providing maximum situational awareness.
              Fully integrated, with ground forces, in real time.
              For guidance and attacks on ground targets (network war).
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 14 August 2013 21: 14
                +4
                Here I agree with you. At MAKS 2013 they will present the new Russian UAV, it is unfortunate that the Skat strike UAV topic has been forgotten.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 14 August 2013 21: 16
                  +5
                  Shock UAV Scat.
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 14 August 2013 21: 27
                    +3
                    Launch of the Black Hornet NUAV (Nano Unmanned Air Vehicle) nano-sized reconnaissance unmanned helicopter. Source: 1.bp.blogspot.com

                    The United States Army announced a tender for the development of the concept of a "pocket" type unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), capable of providing lighting for a soldier in a shelter.

                    Among the main requirements of the tender are minimum dimensions, weight and energy consumption, as well as ensuring the freezing mode in the room and on the street. Currently, according to media reports, US troops do not use such technologies. At the same time, the British military recently sent a miniature rotary-wing UAV Black Hornet Nano to Afghanistan, developed by Prox Dynamics, which received rave reviews
                  2. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 14 August 2013 21: 27
                    +2
                    ......................................
                  3. bask
                    bask 14 August 2013 22: 21
                    +4
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    Black Hornet nano-sized reconnaissance unmanned helicopter launched

                    Cool, what else can I say. Such a “fly” will fly by no one and will not notice.
                    The second stage on this topic will be shock nanoscale UAVs firing poisoned arrow-bullets, of lethal and non-lethal action.
                    1000 of these helicopters and the city is cleared of militants ...
                  4. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 14 August 2013 22: 23
                    +6
                    It's time to stock up on fly swatters. Bitter humor.
              2. bask
                bask 14 August 2013 21: 31
                +7
                Quote: Alex 241
                Shock UAV Scat

                CB MiG, led the project. (If I am not mistaken)
                Retractable war, poheril shock UAV ,, Scat ,, and ,, thanks, ”Mr. Poghosyan.
              3. Alex 241
                Alex 241 14 August 2013 21: 34
                +2
                Absolutely, Poghosyan and his comrades continue to work on this project.
              4. Black Colonel
                Black Colonel 15 August 2013 14: 03
                +1
                How has the MiG still not been covered?
          3. Modus
            Modus 14 August 2013 21: 49
            +1
            And what kind of rocket is in front of Skat (in the foreground) ?!
            VERY similar to a reduced time of 10 SAMs from the S-200.
            Why is she here?
          4. Alex 241
            Alex 241 14 August 2013 21: 55
            +4
            X-31A "air-to-surface"
            X-31P "air-radar"
          5. Alex 241
            Alex 241 14 August 2013 21: 58
            +3
            .............
          6. Modus
            Modus 14 August 2013 22: 22
            +1
            So this is just a layout, as it turns out.
            In addition, some huge size for a UAV, if the first copies. this "drone" is going to be done with the cockpit (and its control).
          7. Alex 241
            Alex 241 14 August 2013 22: 28
            +1
            The X-47B drone was first planted on an aircraft carrier
      2. Modus
        Modus 14 August 2013 22: 03
        +2
        Just a striking resemblance!
        4 characteristic starting PRDs (400 kg each they were on "two hundred, EMNIP), they shot very beautifully in the 5th second of the flight," cross. "The zur itself weighed about 9 tons, but flew over 250 km.
        Such Ukrainian air defense shot down an Israeli passenger plane over the Black Sea, foolishly, in 2001, if I am not mistaken.
      3. Alex 241
        Alex 241 14 August 2013 22: 08
        +1
        Yes Seryozha, namely S-200 October 4, 2001 Tu-154, tail number 85693, Siberia Airlines, which operated flight 1812 along the route Tel Aviv - Novosibirsk, crashed over the Black Sea
      4. Modus
        Modus 14 August 2013 22: 18
        +2
        Exactly this rocket in this photo!
        But the Tu-154 did not "suffer a catastrophe", but was shot down by this very missile, due to the stupidity of the Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners.
        It has semi-active guidance (that is, its seeker is directed to the signal reflected from the target, which is "illuminated" by the ROC.)
      5. Alex 241
        Alex 241 14 August 2013 22: 21
        +2
        Seryozha, as a specialist, explain that the plane was actually highlighted as a target, or there was a breakdown in the capture and the missile hit the TU when working out the command "maximum up"
      6. Modus
        Modus 17 August 2013 15: 51
        0
        They fired at the target, and in the beam of the Russian Orthodox Church by tragic accident was TU-154. GOS missiles and captured him.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 15 August 2013 12: 23
    0
    The plane was Russian. Mostly Israelis flew.
  • old man54
    old man54 16 August 2013 02: 31
    0
    Quote: Pimply
    The plane was Russian. Mostly Israelis flew.

    Jews there were people 10 no more! But ours, svyany, there was 85%!
  • Val_y
    Val_y 15 August 2013 12: 10
    0
    However, the broadband jammer makes such a mess in his brain (I can’t say anything about intercepting the signal, even Iran did) that I wouldn’t pray completely for the UAV. Unreliable, and here I reviewed the Terminator, inspired.
  • bask
    bask 14 August 2013 20: 14
    +1
    -----------------------------------
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 14 August 2013 20: 21
      0
      attack aircraft OV-10 Bronco. in '94 removed from service. mainly used in Vietnam, and the first storm in the desert as a spotter. like his brother Douglas A-1 Skyraider
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 14 August 2013 20: 21
        +1
        Douglas A-1 Skyraider
  • VAF
    VAF 14 August 2013 20: 38
    +8
    Quote: bask
    But do we need a new attack aircraft-dive


    Greetings! I think not ..... put everything that "promised" and "wanted" and the su-25 will still be very long .. irreplaceable !!!

    But we, as always ... "only wishlist" and "promises", unfortunately ... recourse

    Here are the distant 90s ... when they wished.



    And here ... what is now ... left ....


    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 14 August 2013 20: 46
      +3
      The possibility of combat use of the An-2 was considered even at its creation. In April 1947, OKB-153 (now the Antonov Antonov Aviation Technical Complex) began to develop, on the basis of its first-born, a special three-seater aircraft designed for night reconnaissance and artillery adjustment. High maneuverability, a sufficiently long flight duration, low evolutionary speed, minimal take-off and mileage of the An-2 were the best suited for specific tasks.

      The machine, which received the designation "F" ("Fedya"), was largely similar to the base model. Serious changes have undergone only the tail and fuselage, starting from the tenth frame. At this point was the observer's cabin, which was a fully glazed truss structure. The longitudinal force elements of the farm converged to a thin conical tail boom. A stabilizer with spaced keels and a fixed tail wheel was attached to it. To repel fighter attacks from the rear hemisphere, a VEU-1 turret with a 20-mm BD-20E gun was installed behind the upper wing. The crew jobs and the engine were protected by armor (its total mass is 250 kg). It was assumed that the aircraft could be used as a night bomber, for which it was equipped with another 20 mm cannon (in the lower right plane), four underwing holders for 100 kg bombs, and two cartridges in the fuselage for the vertical suspension of six 50 kg bombs.
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 15 August 2013 14: 11
        0
        In the early 90s, Technoavia received an offer from the Federal Border Service of Russia to consider options for the supply of aircraft: SM-92, designed to perform search and rescue, sanitary operations and communications and SM-92P, equipped with a light weapons complex for patrol operations and intelligence.

        The SM-92P patrol aircraft for the Russian Federal Border Service was developed at Tekhnoavia under the leadership of V.P. Kondratyev on the basis of the SM-92 Finist multipurpose aircraft. Serially produced at the Smolensk aircraft plant since 1993

        The aircraft is built according to the high-wing strut design. It has a straight single-spar wing of high aspect ratio. On the trailing edge there are Fries-type ailerons with trim tabs and single-slot single-section flaps. The wing tip is a caisson tank for 180 liters of gasoline. Fuselage type semi-monococcus. The aircraft cabin is heated by outboard air heated by exhaust gases. On both sides of the fuselage there are two doors equipped with an emergency release mechanism. The chassis is tricycle, with a rear rack. The installation of a float and ski chassis is provided. The power plant consists of a piston 9-cylinder radial air-cooled engine M-14P. Installation of a search radar on the right wing console is provided.

        If we talk about the armed version of the SM-92, it should be noted right away that this is not a strategic bomber and not a Su-25 attack aircraft, but a patrol-police plane. The armament is exclusively protective in nature (although in fact fourteen NURSs can also crack a good concrete shelter, and three 7,62-mm machine guns will certainly help to disperse small gangs or lovers of poppy straws). The plane was not planned as an attack attack aircraft, let’s say so - the presence of good weapons on board will allow the crew to feel comfortable during reconnaissance and patrol operations.

        The armed SM-92 was first demonstrated in the summer of 1995 at the international air show "Mosaeroshow-95". The aircraft was equipped with two blocks of unguided rockets, 7 pieces each, two fixed 7,62 mm machine guns with remote fire control, and one 7,62 mm hand machine gun mounted on a turret in the cargo door opening. Blocks NURS and stationary machine guns were placed on the side pylons, machine gun ammunition was located in the frontal part of the pylons, which is at the same time a fairing. The ammunition of the turret machine gun was located in a standard cartridge box, fixed to the floor of the cabin. The turret has a machine gun movement limiter to prevent it from entering the aircraft structural elements. The shooter fires "from his knee" and is equipped with a special harness and airplane intercom. Firing from stationary machine guns and NURS blocks is carried out by the pilot, aiming at the target - by plane, using a collimator sight. The crew, in addition to the pilot and gunner, includes a navigator who can perform the functions of a co-pilot.

        Under the fuselage of the aircraft, two universal beam holders are installed, capable of carrying 100-kg bombs each or containers with special search and rescue equipment.

        To ensure control of the State Border, it is planned to create an air squad of 4 aircraft at each border detachment. The first FPS order was 16 aircraft
        Based on materials from the site "Corner of Heaven"
    2. bask
      bask 14 August 2013 22: 40
      +2
      Quote: vaf
      And here ... what is now ... left ....

      A sad sight.
      MiG-23MLD fought the whole war in Afghanistan. They could have fought in the 1st Chechen war, taking into account the experience of the crews that passed Afghanistan.
  • avt
    avt 14 August 2013 21: 13
    +1
    Quote: bask
    Example: American attack aircraft OV-10 Bronco.

    This is a counter-guerrilla plane, and the stallion didn’t work very well, it’s a little liquid like an attack aircraft, its last use, if I’m not mistaken, is to carry targets. Well, the Argentines had Pucar, so what? Did they fight a lot?
    1. bask
      bask 14 August 2013 21: 45
      0
      Quote: avt
      This is a counterguerrilla plane

      We need this in the S. Caucasus. But here I agree with Alex and vaf, now the piston manned aircraft, this is no longer relevant.
      The future is for UAVs !!!
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 14 August 2013 19: 06
    +4
    Quote: vaf
    figure skating will be soon

    Hello, come ... Do not follow the news, it already is

    1. VAF
      VAF 14 August 2013 19: 14
      +7
      Quote: Spade
      Do not follow the news, it is already there


      Greetings, dear! drinks Well, if I still "climb" into tanks, navy and artillery, with missile troops, then ... although some Avengers and Welders .. with the guise of "chief designers" are trying to "teach the mind to reason" careless military wassat
      Here, the other day, from the fuck out of doing, I came across an article where the Avenger "taught the tactics of fighting in urban conditions" of the Viking Special Forces ... while the Avenger is white-bearded (official) ... oh how.

      So for me this tank ballet ... yeah .... leave no comments !!!
      1. experienced
        experienced 14 August 2013 19: 18
        +3
        Quote: vaf
        Well, if I still "climb" into tanks, navy and artillery, with missile troops then ..

        Bugaga, Seryoga you are in the topics on aviation "the first guy (forum member) in the village (site)", so do not spray yourself, be yourself hi
        Quote: vaf
        Here, the other day, from the fuck out of doing, I came across an article where the Avenger "taught the tactics of fighting in urban conditions" of the Viking Special Forces ... while the Avenger is white-bearded (official) ... oh how.

        Well, this "plug to each barrel" is already in turtles ... And deservedly winked
        1. VAF
          VAF 14 August 2013 19: 41
          +4
          Quote: seasoned
          so don’t spray yourself


          I am trying so hard ... by the way ... there will be aerobatics on MAKSA Chinese, group "August 1" and for the first time ... Swiss belay , on Hornets ... by the way. in Switzerland. not only Banks, Watches and Cheese with Chocolate, but also the whole 4 (!!!) aerobatic teams good



          This I mean, that would "preempt" fans about ... "only we fly on combat aircraft" wink
          1. experienced
            experienced 14 August 2013 19: 47
            +3
            Quote: vaf
            by the way. in Switzerland. not only Banks, Watch and Cheese with Chocolate, but also the whole 4 (!!!) aerobatic teams

            Surprisingly, I found only two
            "Patrouille Suisse"

            Composition: six Northrop F-5E Tiger II fighters.


            и
            "PC-7 TEAM"

            The group consists of nine Pilatus PC-7 turboprops.
            Year of birth: 1989 (in honor of the 75th anniversary of the Swiss Air Force).
            Until the end of 2007, the aircraft were painted in orange and silver, then from 2008 it was red and white.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 14 August 2013 19: 51
              +4
              "Team 60"

              In 1967, the Swedish Air Force formed an aerobatic team for advertising purposes of the new SAAB 105 (SK60 in Sweden) in Le Bourget, France.
              In 1974, the Commander-in-Chief of the Swedish Air Force signed an order to establish an official aerobatic team, with four SAAB 105 aircraft.
              The name of the team was a combination of the designation of SK60 aircraft and the word “team” - “Team 60”.
              The group was disbanded in 2008 due to financial difficulties of the Swedish air force. "Acro Hunters" - an aerobatic team formed in 1962 on five Hawker Hunter Mk.50 fighters (Swedish designation J34). This group only existed for one year.
              "Acro Deltas" - 1963-1966. Aircraft: SAAB J35 Draken
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 14 August 2013 19: 53
                +3
                In order to save the Swiss Air Force in 2016, they decided to abolish their aerobatic team Patrol Suisse. The public of the Alpine republic is unhappy and believes that this will cause irreparable damage to the country's image

                Swiss President Uli Maerer, who is also the head of the Swiss Ministry of Defense, Civil Defense and Sports, at a meeting of the parliamentary commission on February 12, 2013, which discussed the purchase of new combat aircraft from Sweden, Saab JAS 39 Gripen, announced that the country will reduce pilots -asov from the Patrouille Suisse aerobatic team. It is the only aerobatic group in Switzerland to fly fighter jets. “We can no longer maintain airplanes for the sake of tradition,” the president said.

                This announcement outraged the Swiss public and politicians. The leader of the opposition Conservative Democratic Party, Martin Landolt, accused the president of underestimating the symbolic value of the aerobatic team; Christophe Darbellay, president of the Swiss Christian Democrats, called the incident a provocation.

                In an online vote on the website of the Swiss newspaper 20 Minuten, 74 percent of users opposed the closure of Patrol Suisse: the public believes that Maherer decided to destroy one of the few symbols of the Swiss army, although some commentators on the site believe that this “air ballet” has long been necessary It was abolished, because it does not meet the objectives of the army.

                Squadron "Patrol Suisse" was founded in 1964 and performs aerobatics on jet aircraft manufactured in the United States F-5E in a characteristic red and white coloring. The purchase of the Gripenov automatically means that the Swiss Air Force will not be able to update the F-5E fleet for the Patrol Suisse, and the operational life of the existing machines will be exhausted in 2016.

                In addition to Patrol Suisse, the Swiss Air Force also has another aerobatic team, the PC-7 Team, but it operates flights on simple training turboprop aircraft.
            2. Apollo
              Apollo 14 August 2013 20: 25
              +3
              Quote: seasoned
              Surprisingly, I found only two
              "Patrouille Suisse"

              Composition: six Northrop F-5E Tiger II fighters.


        2. VAF
          VAF 14 August 2013 19: 45
          +4
          Quote: seasoned
          Well, this "plug" to every barrel is already in turtles.


          And such "specials" will not be able to stop anything ... they get into "computer toys" and now there are strategists and scientists to manage everything ...



          Yes, and in what tone is this all presented ???? wassat

          And what is interesting .. some members of the forum are .. on these "clowns" wassat
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 14 August 2013 19: 27
        +1
        Welcome.

        Well, Sergey Kuzhugetovich is trying, PR, is climbing out of his skin, and you are not paying attention to his innovations.

        And I personally expect with fear what our Fleet will soak in this trend. Synchronized submarine swimming? Anti-ship darts? Or the super marathon of missile boats Vladivostok-Murmansk?

        And even better - the competition of the MP brigades in the "Marine triathlon" - a 10 km swim in an armored personnel carrier-82, then a hundred-kilometer march on them, then a 30-km march without equipment.

        By the way, if the site comes from the MO, I will definitely delete the last paragraph. And the penultimate, probably, too
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 15 August 2013 14: 25
          0
          ... 10 km swim in the BTR-82
          with manual towing of these same BTR-82 belay
  • experienced
    experienced 14 August 2013 19: 37
    +2
    Quote: vaf
    That yesterday. one "ardent admirer of Super-Duper" rebuked.


    Today's news:

    On Wednesday, the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade stopped financing the creation of the Sukhoi SuperJet New Generation aircraft, work on the project will continue after 2016, said Deputy Minister Yuri Slyusar.

    “We have now suspended funding for the development of SSJ New Generation. Moved work for the 16th year, in order to concentrate resources on the development and aftercare of “childhood diseases” of the SSJ-100, ”said Slyusar, reports RIA "Novosti".
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 14 August 2013 19: 42
      +4
      Quote: seasoned
      They moved the work over the 16 year to focus resources on the refinement, aftercare of “childhood diseases” SSJ-100, ”said Slyusar,


      Only recently did they discuss the bacchanalia going on in the KLA. Bardak continues, the question is until what time ?!
      Who heads also know ........... public defenders of Poghosyan .... where are you ?!
      1. valerii41
        valerii41 14 August 2013 19: 48
        -3
        Call Putin and he will show himself, then Medvedev will give more the phone numbers of his accomplices, so that they show themselves. Need extras
      2. user
        user 14 August 2013 21: 10
        +1
        Honestly, I have heard a different interpretation of this situation from aviation industry workers. They say that Irkutsk and Komsomolsk on Amur were lucky with the leadership, the zovods work more or less stably, there are a lot of orders and they have a complete ass with this. It’s hard to say how this relates from the point of view of the World Revolution
    2. VAF
      VAF 14 August 2013 19: 48
      +2
      Quote: seasoned
      Today's news:


      Yes, I read it already ... I wish I could take this yesterday's "uryakaluk" .. and "a face about a table" and in addition "sneeze-puff" ... to a heap !!! angry
  • yanus
    yanus 15 August 2013 12: 07
    -1
    Quote: vaf
    So without urya. Just look, carefully measure, the distance from the target where the NARs lay down and .... "screaming joyfully" yes, we will break the fuck out of everyone now, well, etc.

    And by the way, a day, PMU, Visibility is a million to a million, a dive approach ... I would have been an air defense officer ... I would have shot down with a slingshot ... or just a stone. without a sling ..... sad all this .. oh. how sad.

    It’s awful, just awful, that the pilot at the test site did not hit the target. Where this world is heading ... But here you are in the 80s ...
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 15 August 2013 14: 28
      0
      Yes, even a decent deviation. Maybe this is the first cadet dive?
  • yanus
    yanus 15 August 2013 12: 12
    -1
    Quote: vaf
    that's what I want to say, so take and calculate what losses we had in the 80s and what in 2008

    Oh, can you enlighten us careless ones? Current with "tsiferki"?
  • ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 15 August 2013 12: 40
    +5
    Quote: vaf
    Delivered to the author, + but ... he is disingenuous ... not much

    Yeah, especially about the Vostok battalion, which was disbanded back in November 2008.
    Currently, the unit is in good shape, and God forbid that the Russian army had more such "Vostoks".

    - The use of long-range aircraft today is recognized as a great tragic stupidity. I consider this decision to be a manifestation of some elite aviation illiteracy, which is associated with loss of control, and with a poor analysis of the situation, and with a lack of understanding of the tactical situation on the battlefield.

    If precision weapons were used, the use of "strategists" would be justified.
    - Viktor Nikolayevich, have we learned the lessons of this war? Is the Russian army ready for threats from the South?

    - Ready, for the conclusions of the lessons learned are made. This is evidenced by the fact that we have deployed 2 brigades in this region, put up-to-date, stronger weapons there and are conducting constant reconnaissance taking into account the bitter lessons of August 2008 of the year. In short, we keep this region of Russia under a tight cap.

    He was the deputy politician, the deputy politician and remained !!! yes
  • bask
    bask 14 August 2013 18: 21
    +4
    Quote: makst83

    The biggest mistake on our part is that our troops were stopped 15 km from Tbilisi! AND

    DAM was the president, probably put in his pants, from ,, happiness ,,.
    Now the Georgians are scared and taught by their bitter experience. They will sit for a long time, not, “twitch,”.
    Quote: makst83

    put there modern, stronger weapons

    It is not clear from the article what new types of weapons the 2nd deployed brigades are armed with (all the latest types of armored vehicles are under development) T-90s have not been purchased since 2011, the BTR-90 project has been frozen.
    UAV, reconnaissance in the RA .. and drums, as it was not.
    There is still a lot to be done for such statements: "" "- Done, because conclusions from the lessons learned have been made by" "".
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 14 August 2013 19: 32
    +2
    Quote: makst83
    The biggest mistake on our part is that our troops were stopped 15 km from Tbilisi!


    It was necessary to simply hang this bastard on the bitch nearest to him, after which he left the Georgian territory by organized march. The world community would simply swallow ...
  • Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 14 August 2013 19: 59
    +6
    Quote: makst83
    The biggest mistake on our part is that our troops were stopped 15 km from Tbilisi!


    The biggest mistake is that they ruined the army. What remains is not the army of the Great Power, but it is not known what. And the real losses that our Armed Forces suffered are Serdyukov’s reforms - this is 200 laid-off contractors (officers and ensigns), the collapsed structure of the Armed Forces, disbanded units, etc. It will take decades to restore all this.
    1. valerei
      valerei 15 August 2013 11: 39
      +2
      Serdyukov, as they say, "was not wound up from dampness", but was put in this place by the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. Yes, and he worked as an "enemy of the people" for many years, and after the change of commanders-in-chief, he continued his thieves' activities for more than one month, when several other ministers immediately flew out of their seats. I do not believe that the Supreme Commander was not aware of Serdyukov's harmful activities, otherwise what kind of commander-in-chief is he? If Serdyukov with his bl ... mi continued to steal and destroy the army, then it was necessary.
  • Very old
    Very old 14 August 2013 21: 20
    0
    MAXIM, it was necessary, it was necessary ... Damn this policy. Forced? Not. Created a problem
  • nycsson
    nycsson 14 August 2013 22: 22
    +1
    Baranets: Russia learned the bitter lessons of the Five-Day War with Georgia
    Well yes. And she began to "reform" the army!
  • Mervik
    Mervik 14 August 2013 23: 49
    +1
    Exactly! Go to Tbilisi for the pusher MihoSako and his Russia. Leaving to decide the future fate of Georgia in the people themselves. Attend before a legitimate election.
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  • Yuriwhite
    Yuriwhite 15 August 2013 11: 05
    0
    You will forgive just stratech homegrown :(
    Well, would we take Tbilisi next? Hang the "Bratsk" Georgian people around her neck?
  • karbofos
    karbofos 15 August 2013 15: 24
    0
    Guys are a little off topic. we go in and, if possible, insert our five cents. http://vk.com/accession_to_usa ?? Such freaks still need to search
  • Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 14 August 2013 17: 19
    +2
    If Medvedev had shown his will and made a decision much earlier, then much could have been different!
    1. duke
      duke 14 August 2013 18: 43
      +2
      Well, what are you talking about, if he did not even serve in the army, for him it is a dark forest ...
    2. valerii41
      valerii41 14 August 2013 19: 04
      0
      Well, you’re blaming, they were busy with dough and women, what kind of war is it?
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 14 August 2013 18: 10
    +4
    "But some army commanders and higher-ranking leaders in the General Staff regarded their data as a banal provocation on the part of Saakashvili, which was done many times before and did not give it due importance." - somewhat reminiscent of the behavior of our command before the Second World War, apparently that terrible lesson did not benefit the military.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 14 August 2013 20: 29
      +1
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      "But some army commanders and higher-ranking leaders in the General Staff regarded their data as a banal provocation on the part of Saakashvili, which was done many times before and did not give it due importance." - somewhat reminiscent of the behavior of our command before the Second World War, apparently that terrible lesson did not benefit the military.

      Why not the situation before June 22, 1941. "The main thing is not to succumb to provocations"
      1. coserg 2012
        coserg 2012 14 August 2013 21: 26
        0
        I agree with you. And it also reminds the case of Chechnya, would you have to take Tbilisi as Grozny twice?
      2. Max otto
        Max otto 14 August 2013 21: 47
        +3
        So personally, I want to know how it was? So that everyone was afraid to provoke Russia. Otherwise, God forbid, they think that the threat and how they will react, don’t mourn, then make excuses, persuade you to return to your home, promise money and give it away so that you don’t get offended, just in case your troops were removed for 200 km inside, but the border guards, so cut in 2 times and give a gun, and take everything else away from sin, but they would also think that again a provocation, a concentration of troops ... Oh, it would be great.
  • mole
    mole 14 August 2013 18: 26
    +1
    God forbid that they really learn bitter lessons, and not only from the five-day war!
    The contrast about Makarov and the military officers - the gold reserves of the army - is really cynical! and sad! It’s a pity that the loss of professionals for handsdrivers there is no responsibility, except perhaps that moral!
  • asadov
    asadov 14 August 2013 18: 27
    +1
    Yes, here is the fault not only of Medvedev but also of the Minister of Defense Serdyukov
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 15 August 2013 11: 09
      +1
      Serdyukov was the Minister of Defense, obeyed by Medvedev and! Putin (because Putin was the prime minister, the second person in the state), the then president supported the elections (who was that, don’t remember?) and Serdyukov would never have become prime minister if he didn’t represent him (we are studying how cab.min is formed, if you don’t believe it.) so the question is, why are Medvedev and Serdyukov guilty, and aren't the gdp guilty?
      1. falcon
        falcon 15 August 2013 11: 32
        0
        Quote: fartfraer
        and Serdyukov, without the prime minister submitting his candidacy for the post of Minister of Defense, would never have become one (

        Serdyukov became MO in 2007 and then President Putin appointed him.
        The power block and the Minister of Foreign Affairs are represented by the President. But, in general, you are a pro.
  • vitas
    vitas 14 August 2013 18: 29
    0
    It was necessary to take Tbilisi and establish their sixes in Georgia = -1 lever of pressure in the West + N-th number if the "world community" and "a threat to the national security of the United States". soldier
  • Naval
    Naval 14 August 2013 18: 29
    0
    Specialists on the principle of personal loyalty and on acquaintance, and not on the head and brains in it, “pulled” into the General Staff.

    All always, first we retreat to Moscow, then we drive the adversary to the den. Maybe you need to fix something on the General Staff to change this vicious practice?
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 14 August 2013 18: 32
      +2
      Clash
  • Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 14 August 2013 18: 31
    +7
    OUR GUYS PEACEKEEPERS - GLORY TO GOD LIVING AND HEALTHY.
  • Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 14 August 2013 18: 31
    +1
    Russia always and everywhere draws lessons and will draw. Lord, teach Georgia to learn at least some, at least in some lessons.
    1. mamba
      mamba 14 August 2013 22: 35
      +1
      Quote: Panikovsky
      Lord, teach Georgia to learn at least some, at least in some lessons.

      This is not possible by definition:
      http://blog.kob.tomsk.ru/1896
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 14 August 2013 18: 34
    0
    In short, we are holding this region of Russia under a tight cap.
    Last drain, but says a lot.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 14 August 2013 18: 50
    16
    Scouts in our peacekeeping contingent in North Ossetia worked directly at the border junction, where Georgia concentrated its troops, and transmitted information about these dangerous maneuvers. But some army commanders and leaders of a higher rank in the General Staff regarded their data as a banal provocation on the part of Saakashvili, which has been done many times before and did not betray this due importance.

    I was sure that the lessons of June 22, 1941, our generals learned. It turns out that idiots and skins are indestructible.
    When finally in Russia they will begin to put idiots against the wall, grunting about some provocations, when the enemy is concentrating troops near our borders.
    If this is a provocation, then you need to thoroughly kick the provocateur in the brain, and not expose your soldiers to enemy fire. Are we a power or where?
    How many times more stupid rams with big stars and bellies will pour Russian blood in vain.
    1. avia12005
      avia12005 15 August 2013 06: 54
      +1
      I agree to all !!! The enemy should know that war will be on its territory near the statue of restraint, and not in the Smolensk region)))
  • knn54
    knn54 14 August 2013 19: 31
    10
    -The use of MANPADS by Georgian units in South Ossetia once again came as a surprise to the Air Force (and army aviation in particular). The electronic warfare of aircraft and helicopters planned for combat use on the territory of Georgia did not fully meet the requirements for providing protection against air defense systems. All Su-25s lost during the conflict were hit by the Osa-AKM air defense system
    -Interaction of tactical aviation with ground forces: just as there were problems in the Finnish company, they remained. Three aircraft were shot down by "friendly fire."
    -In peacetime, promotion to the top not of the best, but of their own.
    Russia's refusal to send troops to Tbilisi and topple Saakashvili - there are no pro-Russian political forces in Georgia. And power, supported by Russian bayonets, would require an unreasonably large expenditure of resources: military, economic, financial, diplomatic, political. And so the “unfinished” Saakashvili turned out to be a related conflict with the internal opposition and ceased to be a serious factor in the political game in Transcaucasia.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 14 August 2013 19: 52
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      -The use of MANPADS by Georgian units in South Ossetia once again came as a surprise to the Air Force (and army aviation in particular). The electronic warfare of aircraft and helicopters planned for combat use on the territory of Georgia did not fully meet the requirements for providing protection against air defense systems. All Su-25s lost during the conflict were hit by the Osa-AKM air defense system

      Once again, our "big stars" with rails and without rails on their shoulder straps did not take the enemy seriously (that we are some Georgians !!!) and drove the troops at random.
      They forgot the folk wisdom - it is better to overtake than not to finish, mothers do not cry with careful fighters.
  • goats denis
    goats denis 14 August 2013 20: 22
    -7
    The NATO would give us a light, with the Georgians, our Air Force was barely possible, and then the powerful US Air Force, those who are yelling now about MISHA’s displacement, would I look at you after the NATO bombing.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 August 2013 20: 34
      +6
      You see, the question is not whether we would kick NATO’s ass or not. Definitely yes.

      The question is, what would it cost us.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 14 August 2013 21: 17
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        You see, the question is not whether we would kick NATO’s ass or not. Definitely yes.

        The question is, what would it cost us.

        NATO members, even in Yugoslavia, Iraq, and Afghanistan, who do not have modern air defense, suffered losses and put on full pants in every flight, they needed Mishiko, with georgians, to risk their asses for them.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 August 2013 21: 36
          +4
          Yes, this is essentially the tenth matter. You can pick up and from the Papuans with silicon guns.

          Here you just need to realize: in any war with any enemy, for all mistakes, shortcomings in combat training or for technological backwardness, they pay with blood, and theirs.
          You should not treat yourself with humiliation, but you don’t need to slip into hatred as well.
    2. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 15 August 2013 09: 53
      0
      it's bitter but true
  • valokordin
    valokordin 14 August 2013 20: 24
    +4
    I understand the colonel of the General Staff of Barents, his fair nature and desire to a large extent not to substitute the main true culprits of failures, confining ourselves to our Kuropatkin (N. Makarovyv), who was given the Hero, so that he would not decipher the true reasons. The claim that Russia has learned bitter lessons is highly controversial. How many lessons were there with repetition, but the result is the same.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 14 August 2013 20: 31
    +3
    How all this is painfully familiar and even familiar. Very, well, just VERY WANTED THAT NOW THE PRACTICAL CONCLUSIONS HAVE BEEN MADE NOW. And not only in this potential theater of operations, but in all aircraft.
  • vm68dm
    vm68dm 14 August 2013 22: 14
    +2
    In part. Scouts in our peacekeeping contingent in North Ossetia worked directly at the border junction, where Georgia concentrated its troops, and transmitted information about these dangerous maneuvers. But some army commanders and leaders of a higher rank in the General Staff regarded their data as a banal provocation on the part of Saakashvili, which was done many times before and did not give due importance to this.
    Like in 1941 !!!
  • mosgeo1
    mosgeo1 14 August 2013 23: 08
    0
    Technique by technology, but it pleases that the army is beginning to be trained at least a little, like puppies! Maybe something good will turn out!
  • nachprod 92
    nachprod 92 14 August 2013 23: 26
    +4
    Quote: "The GRU and SVR officers worked on the territory of Georgia itself and transmitted information through various channels about the advancement of columns of Georgian troops in the direction of Tskhinval. But this information was also not given due importance. As a result, the information transmitted to the General Staff did not work. At that time there was no center capable of making the only correct decision based on the information received and preparing the troops for various scenarios. "
    And only the simple Ossetian drivers of PAZ buses began evacuating women and children to Russia a week before the events of 8.08.08. , all this spun on ORT live! It only took five years to start rewriting the HISTORY.
  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 14 August 2013 23: 27
    +3
    And Pvoshniki will explain to me how you can shoot down your plane (with friendly fire) while having an OWN-ALIEN system? request
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 14 August 2013 23: 41
      +2
      Quote: sergey158-29
      And Pvoshniki will explain to me how you can shoot down your plane (with friendly fire) while having an OWN-ALIEN system?

      as I know there was no connection with the Air Force! and isho if I remember One of the planes made a mistake and bombed his own
      1. Simon
        Simon 15 August 2013 12: 02
        0
        For more often the Georgians would be mistaken. laughing
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 15 August 2013 14: 47
          0
          Quote: Simon
          For more often the Georgians would be mistaken.

          It was a Russian plane at all and bombed its
  • Druid
    Druid 15 August 2013 00: 26
    +1
    "- Viktor Nikolaevich, did our intelligence really" oversleep "Georgia's preparations for war?

    - Partly. The scouts of our peacekeeping contingent in North Ossetia worked directly at the junction of the borders, where Georgia was concentrating its troops, and transmitted information about these dangerous maneuvers. But some army commanders and leaders of a higher rank in the General Staff regarded their data as a banal provocation by Saakashvili, which was done earlier many times and did not betray it to proper importance.
    The GRU and SVR officers worked on the territory of Georgia itself and transmitted information through various channels about the advancement of columns of Georgian troops in the direction of Tskhinvali. But this information was also not given due importance. As a result, the information transmitted to the General Staff did not work. At that time there was no center capable of making the only correct decision based on the information received and preparing the troops for various scenarios. "

    M-yes, we survived, nowhere else to go ... request What will the headquarters colonels carry tomorrow? fool
    In the ongoing attempts to present this war as a necessary measure on the part of the compassionate leadership of the Russian Federation, concerned about the fate of tens of thousands of Ossetians, while more than a decade has put cancer in Russia, more than one hundred million of them will now have ruined all Russian intelligence (SVR, GRU), interesting when will the turn finally reach the army? ... After all, everything around the bedars and the bastards and only the bright heads of the modern geniuses of the Father (Vova Putin), the Son (Dima Medvedev) and now the Holy Spirit (Tolik Serdyukov) turned back the army The Beast (Miho Saakashvili).
    Interestingly, the chair of Tolik Serdyukov has not yet begun to myrrh?
    Whether or not anyone likes the war in South Ossetia, whether it is fair to support the separatists or not imposing their will on neighboring states, if we leave this aside, today this war is the only something relatively decent that the army and special services of the Russian Federation could portray. The success of propaganda for the "domestic market" is certainly important, but against the background of how Russians have been brainwashed for more than a year, this was not a problem.
    So the fact is that the special services and the army coped with the sin in half, but the authorities, i.e. the political leadership, the Foreign Ministry and others have failed miserably on the international stage - Russia is perceived as nothing more than a treacherous aggressor with a dictator in power. But judging by the trend, soon it will all be turned upside down and as a result a different picture will be formed for domestic consumption.
  • alone
    alone 15 August 2013 00: 43
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    In part. Scouts in our peacekeeping contingent in North Ossetia worked directly at the border junction, where Georgia concentrated its troops, and transmitted information about these dangerous maneuvers. But some army commanders and leaders of a higher rank in the General Staff regarded their data as a banal provocation on the part of Saakashvili, which was done many times before and did not give due importance to this.
    The GRU and SVR officers worked on the territory of Georgia itself and transmitted information through various channels about the advancement of columns of Georgian troops in the direction of Tskhinvali. But this information was also not given due importance. As a result, the information transmitted to the General Staff did not work. At that time there was no center capable of making the only correct decision based on the information received and preparing the troops for various scenarios. "

    it turns out to be a very interesting thing. If the General Staff was not engaged in its direct duties, did someone from the General Staff be punished for this? after all, all this led to vain losses, especially among peacekeepers who took the blow first.
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  • old man54
    old man54 15 August 2013 02: 09
    -1
    but the opinion of a very respected person!
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    ej-08-08-08-2.html]
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  • avia12005
    avia12005 15 August 2013 06: 48
    +1
    Centralized communication worked well, but operational communication did not work AFTER SUCH WORDS CANNOT BE CONSIDERED BARANCES A PROVESSIONAL. Generally cuts the eye - COLONEL OF THE GENERAL STAFF RETIRED.

    He is not a pro, he is a spokesman for MO. He is a political worker in the past, very good and talented.

    But he is not a general staff officer or a staff officer. His talent !. And as a pro "-"
  • max702
    max702 15 August 2013 10: 00
    0
    The whole general staff of that time SHOOT! In the first they deserved by consociety (sabotage, incompetence, theft) and in the second they definitely will not be worse! And most importantly, the next science!
  • yan
    yan 15 August 2013 10: 01
    +1
    Conclusions must be drawn from any military operations, in my opinion, and not very victorious. But why tragedy is this, not in the theater though. It is written beautifully, but somehow publicistic
  • Roman_999
    Roman_999 15 August 2013 10: 34
    +3
    As always, the General Staff, intelligence and top officials overslept, as always the treacherous enemy attacked ... this is not even funny.
    Why then are analysts needed if their work is not proactive?
  • Siberian
    Siberian 15 August 2013 10: 46
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    Quote: makst83
    The biggest mistake on our part is that our troops were stopped 15 km from Tbilisi!
    Our just a little politeness and culture towards them showed. And they showed that we are still not invaders. yes
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 15 August 2013 11: 00
    +3
    Quote: Siberian
    Quote: makst83
    The biggest mistake on our part is that our troops were stopped 15 km from Tbilisi!
    Our just a little politeness and culture towards them showed. And they showed that we are still not invaders. yes

    it's good that we did not show politeness in the 45th
  • discard
    discard 15 August 2013 12: 52
    -3
    Strange - Georgia attacked South Ossetia without declaring war.
    And how does she declare war on her territory?
    Did we declare war on Chechnya?
  • Letterksi
    Letterksi 15 August 2013 13: 15
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    Downright self-flagellation of some kind. And here there are mistakes and there are mistakes, only the "Vostok" fellow tore everyone up. They fought normally then. Then Serdyukov had not yet managed to reach the army with his bastardly sweaty sticky hands.

    The biggest mistake is that they write about that war not as a brilliant victory, but as a series of mistakes and almost failures. Let's leave the analysis of mistakes to army generals and military professionals, and we will rejoice for the brilliant victory that was won both in the battlefield and in the information field!
  • Poppy
    Poppy 15 August 2013 14: 24
    +1
    Quote: Black Colonel
    I apologize, but what do the skulls on the uniform of the members of the forum mean?

    negative rating
  • igor_ua
    igor_ua 15 August 2013 15: 48
    0
    At us (UK), the news then showed a downed Russian a pilot in a Georgian hospital.
    What is their further destiny (there were several of them?)?
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 15 August 2013 15: 50
    0
    For a long time to come, the current generation of Russian officers will be eliminating the consequences of Serdyukov's "reforms." But we cannot revive the enormous scientific potential of the destroyed academies and higher military schools. As a memory of this barbarism, a memorial plaque was installed in Monino.
    It is no secret that after the outbreak of hostilities in South Ossetia, the General Staff did not turn out to be generals competent in operational matters. And only the intervention of the country's top leaders solved this problem. The competent tactical actions of the generals and officers of the 58 army predetermined the positive development of events in this war.
    1. Letterksi
      Letterksi 15 August 2013 20: 57
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      The tactical link won the war in Georgia !!! The General Staff lost it outright !!! THINK THIS !!! And all this was before the reforms of Serdyukov! What is the current state of the General Staff? and the tactical link?