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Astronaut Wolf: crashes of GLONASS satellites someone needed

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Hero of the USSR, pilot-cosmonaut Igor Volk at a press conference in RIA News He said that accidents with GLONASS satellites are not accidental, it is “done consciously” and if “something happens, it means someone needs it.”


The wolf did not tell anyone, but noted that if all the devices of this system are in orbit, GLONASS "will work much better than the GPS system",

July 2, the Proton-M rocket with three Glonass-M devices, immediately after the launch, fell on the territory of the cosmodrome and exploded.

The commission found that when assembling the carrier, three of the six angular velocity sensors were installed with a turn of 180 degrees. Meanwhile, the verification of other previously manufactured Proton-M missiles revealed no violations.

Other specialists agree with the pilot-cosmonaut.

Wishing to remain anonymous, a veteran of the Strategic Missile Forces, considers the version of the incorrect installation of three sensors of angular velocity "bullshit." They are made in such a way that it is impossible to install these devices in another way, because “they will be simply destroyed”. In addition, the military expert is confident that external satellites have already been exerted by external influence, after which they ceased communication with the control center.

Another source in the military space agency said that on the eve of the fall of the Proton-M launch vehicle, communication was lost with one of the satellites that were in geostationary orbit in the Southern Hemisphere. The device with a large warranty resource suddenly stopped its work and did not respond to commands from the Earth. According to the source, it was possible to disrupt the operation of the satellite only by an external physical impact, since the device is controlled by highly reliable communication lines.

Earlier, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin wrote on Twitter that those suspected of grossly violating the Proton-M missile assembly technology would be tested on a polygraph. In addition, one of the reasons for what is happening, he considers "the defeat of military acceptance and, as a consequence, the fall in quality control is a diversion."
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  1. makst83
    makst83 14 August 2013 09: 41
    26
    A strange trend is observed with satellite launches! Western satellites go into orbit and work, but our Glonass and others do not. They are not put into the calculated orbit, then they explode at the start, all this is strange! No, I don't see any conspiracy, but the trend is comrades ...
    1. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak 14 August 2013 18: 44
      +7
      Quote: makst83
      A strange trend is observed with satellite launches! Western satellites go into orbit and work, but our Glonass and others do not.

      And what’s strange, we needed a reason to take the industry into our own hands and begin to reform it, only the question remained in whose hands this good fell into! And it all started with the advent of Mr. Popovkin (abbreviations before the surname can of course be understood in different ways wassat )
    2. bask
      bask 14 August 2013 18: 45
      22
      Quote: makst83
      Astronaut Wolf: crashes of GLONASS satellites someone needed

      Well, finally done the right conclusion !!!!!
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 14 August 2013 22: 18
        +6
        Quote: bask
        Quote: makst83
        Astronaut Wolf: crashes of GLONASS satellites someone needed

        Well, finally done the right conclusion !!!!!


        I will correct in essence: The correct conclusion was made a long time ago, now it has only been voiced, and unofficially. "Well, finally," will be when Rogozin will voice the same, and better Shoigu or VVP.
      2. Tambov we ...
        Tambov we ... 14 August 2013 22: 46
        10
        Quote: bask
        THE CORRECT CONCLUSION IS MADE


        And the counterintelligence order is to find and neutralize saboteurs, spies, or saboteurs, without jokes, and in our time can be done in such an ancient way.
      3. Airman
        Airman 15 August 2013 09: 44
        +3
        Quote: bask
        Quote: makst83
        Astronaut Wolf: crashes of GLONASS satellites someone needed

        Well, finally done the right conclusion !!!!!

        Everyone who looked at the launch immediately noticed the brown smoke from one of the engines, it has nothing to do with sensors. Trying to give us this version of a rocket accident, they made themselves fools around the world. And the question is, were there satellites, or GVM?
    3. experienced
      experienced 14 August 2013 18: 45
      +6
      Were there satellites? Everything turned out very well in order to "hide the ends in an accident." The money is big, you can't find the ends and the old rule "died, so died." winked
      All these tales about external influence are somehow frivolous, now everything can be traced, besides the channels are carefully encrypted, if there is any data that a "second country" has intervened, then you need to respond adequately, knocking down the satellites of that country or demand compensation with a broad notification in MASS MEDIA.
      1. bask
        bask 14 August 2013 18: 49
        +3
        Quote: seasoned
        And were there any satellites?

        But this is the main question.
        Quote: seasoned
        In order to "hide the ends in an accident".

        The ends and more than once, after the next accident, Proton, are firmly hidden in the land of Kazakhstan.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 14 August 2013 19: 42
          15
          Quote: bask
          The ends and more than once, after the next accident, Proton, are firmly hidden in the land of Kazakhstan.

          Land hi ! If the ends were often tied here with such a curly knot, then there would be no accidents:
          1. zvereok
            zvereok 14 August 2013 19: 55
            10
            For me, the conclusion is that our Chekists, instead of serving the Motherland, do devils what if they do not sell it, and, of course, poison their enemies. Vaughn Bastrykin even removed the prosecutor to convict Navalny. But he began to take active action when Navalny published his information about his company and apartment in the Czech Republic.
            1. builder
              builder 14 August 2013 19: 57
              +9
              Homeland is written with a capital letter
          2. bask
            bask 14 August 2013 20: 06
            10
            Hello fellow countryman! good

            "" "The first launch after the July 2 crash of the Proton carrier rocket is scheduled for September 15 with the European communications satellite Astra-2E, the Russian-American company International Launch Services Inc. (ILS) reported on Wednesday.
            http://ria.ru/science/20130814/956323297.html.ю
            With the European satellite will fly without problems ....
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 14 August 2013 20: 14
              +4
              Quote: bask
              With the European satellite will fly without problems ....

              This launch seems to be also in question, somewhere in the web I stumbled upon such an Old. The reason is precisely what we are discussing now.
              1. bask
                bask 14 August 2013 20: 20
                +2
                Quote: Tersky
                e is in doubt, somewhere in the web I stumbled upon such an Old.

                Infa from this date, from the Yandex news sheet.
                TVNZ
                18:55
                The first after the accident, Proton will take off from Baikonur on September 15
                Polit.ru
                18:52
                The first start of the Proton launch vehicle after the accident is scheduled for September 15
                Radio Lighthouse
                18:51
                The Proton launch is scheduled for September 15
                M24
                18:51
                The first after the accident launch of the Proton rocket is scheduled for September 15
                NTV
                18:46
                Proton with Astra satellite will take off on September 15
                Evening Moscow
                18:44
                The first Proton rocket launch after the accident is scheduled for September 15
                arguments of the week
                18:36
                The launch of the Proton-M is scheduled for September 15
                Tengrinews.kz
                18:30
                The first after the accident launch of "Proton" is scheduled for September
                BFM.ru
                18:29
                Launches of Proton launch vehicles will resume on September 15
                Interfax
                18:17
                The first after the accident launch of the Proton rocket is scheduled for September 15
                Russian newspaper - RG.RU
                18:12
                The new launch of the Proton launch vehicle is scheduled for September 15th.
                1. Tersky
                  Tersky 14 August 2013 20: 26
                  +3
                  Quote: bask
                  The new launch of the Proton launch vehicle is scheduled for September 15th.

                  Went through the news, that's right, you're right, they just moved the schedule. Following the launch on 02.07.2013/20.07.2013/XNUMX, the next one was to take place on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX. The launches were suspended until the end of the work of the commission to investigate the causes of the Proton accident.
                  1. bask
                    bask 14 August 2013 21: 14
                    +4
                    Quote: Tersky
                    The launches were suspended until the end of the work of the commission to investigate the causes of the Proton accident.

                    The conclusions of the commission are just laughter. Not seriously. 15.09.13/XNUMX/XNUMX let's see what comes of it. If failure again, this is a loss of technology in the production of Proton. Or malicious wrecking-deviation.
                    1. Tersky
                      Tersky 14 August 2013 21: 32
                      +2
                      Quote: bask
                      The findings of the commission are just laughter

                      That's right, its "conclusion" could be predicted with a high degree of probability of 99,99% even in the first seconds of the fall .., the only open question was the appointment of the "switchman".
                      1. sir.jonn
                        sir.jonn 15 August 2013 09: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: Tersky
                        That's right, its "conclusion" could be predicted with a high degree of probability of 99,99% even in the first seconds of the fall ..,

                        Yes, all the conclusions for the media of such expert commissions have already been printed on paper in advance for all possible versions of the denouement, it remains only to choose for a specific case
                2. Executer
                  Executer 15 August 2013 10: 39
                  +2
                  So what is this list? Don’t you know that all these media are a flock of jackals? One yelled - the rest immediately duplicated ...
      2. Sibiryak
        Sibiryak 14 August 2013 18: 58
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        And were there any satellites?

        Good question! If they were not, then this is already complete chaos, what is happening in our kingdom ?!
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 14 August 2013 20: 22
          12
          Quote: Sibiryak
          Good question! If they were not, then this is already complete chaos, what is happening in our kingdom ?!

          Our kingdom hurts corruption. And where is corruption - you will not find the ends. For our people, corruption is a horror story about which they sometimes talk on television - few people understand that corruption in the highest echelons of power is an inevitable and real death for every citizen of the Russian Federation and for their children ...
          But it’s too early to know, they haven’t heard yet, we are tolerating.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 14 August 2013 22: 39
            +5
            Quote: S_mirnov
            few people understand that corruption in the highest echelons of power is an inevitable and real death for every citizen of the Russian Federation and for their children ...

            After all, it directly affects the quality of the provision of state and municipal services and the standard of living of the population.
            Quote: S_mirnov
            But it’s too early to know, they haven’t heard yet, we are tolerating.

            That's for sure! Terpil of us are excellent. wassat hi
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 15 August 2013 00: 28
              +8
              Greetings hi
              I don’t understand how you can build the future under the leadership of corrupt leaders? But for many, this is the norm.
      3. Tersky
        Tersky 14 August 2013 19: 37
        14
        Quote: seasoned
        Were there satellites? Everything turned out very well in order to "hide the ends in an accident." The money is big, you can't find the ends and the old rule "died, so died."

        Alex, hi ! This is Russia .. they steal, they steal and will steal, as they drank and they will continue to drink, but the power cannot be lowered, one or two sinkers on the stake and "Protons" will fly, and AUGs will be built, and the roads will be repaired ... etc.
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 15 August 2013 13: 14
          +1
          I would like to clarify exactly two.
      4. zvereok
        zvereok 14 August 2013 19: 49
        +1
        Ivanov unscrewed from there, and everything fell, and while he watched the corruption officials, but was afraid to frighten him off, everything was type, top.
      5. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 14 August 2013 22: 19
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        And were there any satellites?


        There were, they can be seen on the video.
      6. old man54
        old man54 15 August 2013 01: 16
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        Were there satellites? It all worked out very well in order to "hide the ends in an accident."

        do not write nonsense !!! What, the metal of the satellites, their equipment evaporated or what ?? You still write, "were there the Protons themselves?" lol
      7. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 15 August 2013 14: 10
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        All these tales of external influence are somehow not serious, now everything can be tracked

        Is not a fact! Oh, if not a fact - non-interference of external influences ... or do you think that IT CAN BE ONLY ON THE RADIO CHANNEL? and signal coding won't allow it? Maybe! But ... A powerful energy impulse from an object in ALASKA or from the territory of AUSTRALIA can simply "burn through" the protection of the entrance to the onboard electric system ... and there everything else ... Not officially, these charges have already been brought against ... aMers!
        As for accidents at the launch site or when launching into orbit ... competition .. yes, it is the most ...! Either the sensors will be put in wrong way (for this, though, a hammer is needed), then the overclocking unit will be refilled - and this is generally absurd if you do not intentionally give out a distorted plan-task to the gas station (do not give out such a task !!!)!
        After all, only competition (!!!) and the desire to get more "affection" (!!!) from the country's top officials did not allow V. GLUSHKO to overstep his ambitions and, together with the QUEEN, create a carrier for a flight to the Moon!
        Although the work of the "fifth column" cannot be ruled out! What, do you rule out that someone does not want to earn extra money for not screwing it half a turn ... or screwing it up? In the era of universal earning only money ... money and money again --- anything can be!
    4. Civil
      Civil 14 August 2013 19: 42
      +5
      oh, it's easier to blame everything on an UNKNOWN FORCE! Darth Vader and the USA have failed everyone
    5. duke
      duke 14 August 2013 19: 47
      +1
      and this trend speaks of what? drinks
    6. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 14 August 2013 19: 50
      +5
      Quote: makst83
      Either they are not launched into the calculated orbit, then they explode at the start, all this is strange! No, I don’t see anyone conspiracy, but the trend is comrades ...


      And what is there to guess when the salaries of the defense industry are lower than those of the sellers. There you have a reason.
    7. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 14 August 2013 20: 05
      12
      All these accidents, explosions in ammunition depots, poor-quality military equipment that was not delivered on time, the lack of modern weapons in the troops - all this, during Stalin's time, would have been regarded as a betrayal of the Motherland and entailed executions and exile - and now we are eating Western shit, we call it "temporary failures", we find excuses squeezed out of the finger, take pride in the wreckage of its former greatness and defend those who, in theory, should be publicly shot or imprisoned forever. One popovkin, always smiling with his impudent face, is worth something, his excuses are just a song of his own incompetence.
      I don’t know who needed these accidents, but I’m sure that these are crimes against the country. Apparently the next failure will be blamed on worthless Serdyukov, but now we have Shoigu, now everything will trample ...
    8. krasin
      krasin 14 August 2013 20: 11
      10
      There are no oddities. With GPS, we are on a silver platter with them, they just do not allow us to create our own navigation system, and I said that it’s obvious wrecking and don’t go to the grandmother. The minke whales are pulling. But I’m sure that we WILL! And the faster the better. With their GPS, they can change parameters without leaving the computer, which means that everything that uses their GPS navigation ------ FORKS! soldier
      1. old man54
        old man54 15 August 2013 01: 25
        +3
        Quote: krasin
        With GPS, we are on a silver platter with them, they simply do not allow us to create our own navigation system, and I said that here is a clear wrecking

        I agree with you! good Not only sabotage, namely diversion!
        Quote: krasin
        With their GPS, they can change parameters without leaving the computer, which means that everything using their GPS navigation ------ FORKS!

        You probably don’t know that for military purposes they do not have this GPS standard, but generally different, closed to everyone except the Pentagon! I don’t know about NATO, whether there is access to it or not, most likely there is. And right away it was, because insignificant error is introduced into the GPS system of GPS positioning, but it is significant for guiding a missile of another type of aiming.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 15 August 2013 02: 12
          +1
          Quote: old man54
          Just not wrecking, namely divergence!

          Could you explain how exactly sabotage differs from sabotage? As Bushkov likes to say, "What we kick on an owl, what an owl on a stump."
          1. krasin
            krasin 16 August 2013 09: 46
            0
            The same horseradish, but only in profile lol
        2. krasin
          krasin 16 August 2013 09: 44
          0
          The Ministry of Defense has begun replacing RSDN-10 ground-based long-range radar systems with new Scorpion systems.

          In case of war, these ground-based coordinate systems will replace the space-based ones - GPS and GLONASS. The upgrade program is designed until 2020 and began this year with three systems of the Trans-Baikal chain.
    9. valokordin
      valokordin 14 August 2013 20: 12
      +7
      Quote: makst83
      A different trend is observed with satellite launches! Western satellites go into orbit and work, but our Glonass and others do not. They are not put into the calculated orbit, then they explode at the start, all this is strange! No, I don't see any conspiracy, but the trend is comrades ...

      There is an invisible war against Russia, where the FSB is looking, or it can only deal with protection, and where is the landing, or again not for 37 years.
      1. old man54
        old man54 15 August 2013 01: 25
        +2
        Quote: valokordin
        There is an invisible war against Russia,

        and this is already called "invisible"? fellow
    10. nycsson
      nycsson 14 August 2013 22: 35
      +4
      Quote: makst83
      all this is strange!

      Nothing strange. State control over the industry is almost lost. But the private owner has one law - maximum profit with minimum cost.
    11. karbofos
      karbofos 15 August 2013 15: 21
      +1
      Guys are a little off topic. we go in and, if possible, insert our five cents. http://vk.com/accession_to_usa ?? Such freaks still need to search
  2. biglow
    biglow 14 August 2013 16: 48
    13
    We need a military trick to launch western satellites together with ours. And then we will see by chance missiles fall or not ....
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 14 August 2013 18: 55
      +6
      Irresponsibility and slackness, these are the main reasons for failures in the missile industry, and perhaps only there. I believe that there is a need to provide even greater rights of the FSB of the Russian Federation in terms of control and supervisory functions over the activities of all corporations associated with the country's defense capability + increased responsibility of persons involved in all kinds of disasters and equipment breakdowns. Only in this way can the situation be corrected.

      infographic related to missile launch disasters.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 14 August 2013 19: 45
        +8
        Quote: Apollon
        Irresponsibility and slackness, these are the main causes of failures in the rocket industry,

        Apollo, hi ! The main reason is the amount of funds allocated by the state for such programs, the more allocated, the more often the accident ... fellow A paradox, isn't it .. wink .
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 14 August 2013 19: 49
          +3
          Quote: Tersky
          the more it stands out, the more often the accident ... Paradox, isn't it ..


          the hint understood, really .......... winked
      2. zvereok
        zvereok 14 August 2013 20: 00
        +4
        Irresponsibility and slackness are the main reasons for failures in the missile industry, and perhaps only there. I believe that there is a need to grant even greater rights to the FSB of the Russian Federation


        So this is Ivanov’s industry oversaw, what else needs to be done ?, personally put Putin?

        in terms of control and oversight functions of the activities of all corporations related to the country's defense capability + increased responsibility of persons involved in all kinds of disasters and equipment breakdowns.


        I'm afraid then it turns out that all the details were made from the forest stolen by Navalny, and he turned out to be defective and sit for life Alexei.

        Ivanov was responsible for the industry, so let him answer!
      3. alone
        alone 14 August 2013 22: 52
        +1
        so many accidents !! But did anyone answer for all this at all, or?
    2. mr.Man
      mr.Man 14 August 2013 19: 41
      14
      GLONASS goes across the throat of GPS, and here is a passage yard made from Baikonur, when the same specialists prepare the Russian military apparatus and Western commercial ...angry
      How not to use and find a chela greedy for "greenery"?
      And you write:
      Quote: biglow
      ... missiles accidentally fall or not ....

      By chance, even children are not born ...
      1. Tambov we ...
        Tambov we ... 14 August 2013 23: 55
        +3
        Very smart comment.
    3. sak1969
      sak1969 14 August 2013 21: 48
      +3
      Quote: biglow
      We need a military trick to launch western satellites together with ours. And then we will see by chance missiles fall or not ....

      Nonsense, if the intelligence of amers or the British can organize a diversion.
      That wakes beneficial to drop the proton carrier European satellites along with our . The Russian loss will be any greater. We will lose our apparatus and reputation for minus.
      And they themselves are able to launch military satellites.
  3. S-200
    S-200 14 August 2013 18: 45
    +2
    fall and with the western ...
    but, is this easier for us?
  4. DEMENTIY
    DEMENTIY 14 August 2013 19: 12
    +5
    I thought a lot about this shameful accident.
    At the same time, I visited the thought that if I were in the place of amers (with the desire to spoil as efficiently as possible in Russian space), I would buy a morally unstable engineer, and here you have 250 million of direct and indirect damage at all.
    Guessing were the satellites, I will not be. I will listen to the officials, and they say that this young man (the same engineer) has already installed such sensors and set them correctly!
    1. Tambov we ...
      Tambov we ... 15 August 2013 02: 04
      +3
      In the future, perhaps raking, at least do not spoil, for such an assumption. Although I love my country, Russia, but beware, mindful of the frisky guardians of the next Supreme. You can throw minuses, but it is.
  5. alexpro66
    alexpro66 14 August 2013 19: 15
    +5
    Quote: Sibiryak
    Quote: makst83
    A strange trend is observed with satellite launches! Western satellites go into orbit and work, but our Glonass and others do not.

    And what’s strange, we needed a reason to take the industry into our own hands and begin to reform it, only the question remained in whose hands this good fell into! And it all started with the advent of Mr. Popovkin (abbreviations before the surname can of course be understood in different ways wassat )

    Popovkin is generally an interesting person !! This is the one who was the direct executor of the funeral of many promising samples of technology, including he PERSONALLY "supervised" the burial of 195 !! () Negotiations on the purchase of Mistrals (including his offer to purchase Mistrals) negotiations on the possibility of purchasing Leopards (thank God, the Germans only offered us the old A4) attempts to abandon the AK and purchase either Austrian or German rifles; the purchase of IVECO - his hands are trying to push through Centaury-also with his participation in Roskosmos-collapse and closure of ALL promising programs and the development of new launch vehicles and much more. Only one "kickback" from the purchase of Mistrals amounted to an astronomical amount !! It is clear that he is only a pawn but a passed pawn with the right to vote. You see what it came to, with such a strict one that was brought into his personal ("This is a violation of corporate ethics and a lack of understanding of the responsibility for the industry he runs"

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/science/20130802/953963245.html#ixzz2bxLWb4US
    ) the case is usually immediately dismissed and retired and he continues to sit in his chair and still manages to bring the poor fellow DM to a boil - who tried to send him to resign - graciously agreeing to leave his chair subject to his appointment as head of the newly created corporation !!!!! !
    The chain is simple Popovkin-Makarov-Serdyukov .. and now guess who can cover it all! ???))))
    In general, the competent authorities as early as 4 years ago gave an assessment of its activities - HARMFUL or Sabotage !! AND??? If only henna! By the way, Armata is partly his idea - in order to reduce the cost of promising samples, these well-known pictures, by the way, one of the initial versions of the economy-armata were approved and Popovkin and Makarov, thank God Mayev, having included his connections, achieved participation in the "tender for a promising platform" of several more options, otherwise we would definitely be what Gur-Khan painted in his blog http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/131/rphb937.jpg
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 14 August 2013 20: 08
      +3
      Quote: alexpro66
      the case is usually immediately dismissed and retired and he continues to sit in his chair and still manages to bring the poor fellow DM to a boil - who tried to send him to resign - graciously agreeing to leave his chair subject to his appointment as head of the newly created corporation !!!!!!
      The chain is simple Popovkin-Makarov-Serdyukov .. and now guess who can cover it all! ???))))

      No, not simple:
      Medvedev-Popovkin-Makarov-Serdyukov .. And then it will be even cooler.
  6. sak1969
    sak1969 14 August 2013 19: 28
    +4
    It is not necessary to store all the eggs in one basket, that is, launch several military satellites with the same launch vehicle. If the opportunity allows, then launch the military in revenge with commercial satellites. Or use a lighter rocket launcher with one satellite, this is probably possible. And so because of one accident, three important satellites can be said at once. Avaricious pays twice, I think so!
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 14 August 2013 19: 52
      +4
      Quote: sak1969
      No need to store all the eggs in one basket, that is, launch several military satellites with one rocket launcher

      Well, something like this ... For federal customers, there has been a consistent increase in the cost of the carrier since the beginning of the 2000s: the cost of the Proton-M launch vehicle (without the DM block) increased from 2001 to 2011 by 5,4 times - from 252,1 million to 1356,5 million rubles. The total cost of Proton-M with the DM or Briz-M block in mid-2011 amounted to about 2,4 billion rubles (about $ 80 million or € 58 million). This price consists of the Proton launch vehicle itself (1,348 billion), Briz-M RB (420 million), component delivery to Baikonur (20 million), and a range of launch services (570 million). That is, we kind of run three in one for economic reasons, only considerations with the reasoning obviously conflict wassat
  7. Cynic
    Cynic 14 August 2013 19: 36
    +5
    It turns out that there are people on the site who believe in the whole world brotherhood and love!
    They are made in such a way that it is impossible to install these devices in a different way because "they will simply be destroyed."

    Such words have already sounded here, but somehow went unnoticed. All hooting rushed to expose and seek monetary interest.
    Occam's razor reads You should not multiply things unnecessarily.
    So maybe we will not reinvent the wheel and talk about the most likely option?
    Or, I repeat, will we believe in a bright, kind feeling that others have for us?
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 14 August 2013 19: 56
      +3
      The launch of the Proton rocket is scheduled for September 15, but it is in question

      MOSCOW, August 14. / ITAR-TASS /. Launches of the Proton carrier rocket will resume after thorough checks have been carried out. ITAR-TASS was informed about this today by an expert in the rocket and space industry.
      “Now I am questioning the launch of the European Astra-2E satellite with the Proton launch vehicle, which is scheduled for September 15, as stated on the website of the International Launch Services company,” he said.
      "First, you need to conduct a thorough analysis in order to prevent similar phenomena in the future, to make sure that all instructions are followed and only after that continue to work with the launch vehicle," the expert continued.
      The International Launch Services website says: “We greatly appreciate the time, effort and involvement of our customers, insurance companies and technical experts who participated in the ILS Internal Emergency Response Commission. Our goal was to re-launch the rocket as soon as possible. of the Proton launch vehicle, our experts worked to ensure that a thorough review was performed. We thank all of our customers for their support, "said John Palm, ILS Vice President Programs and Funding.
      "The members of our internal commission fully agree with the opinion of Russian experts on the analysis of the emergency situation with the Proton launch vehicle, which occurred on July 2, 2013," he continued.
      What happened during the launch of Proton-M
      On July 2, the Proton-M rocket with three Glonass-M spacecraft was launched from Baikonur. However, almost immediately after taking off from the launch pad, the rocket deviated sharply from the flight trajectory, began to disintegrate in the air, fell and exploded. The rocket launch was insured for 6 billion rubles. A criminal case was initiated into the incident.
      DOSSIER: Accidents in the history of Russian cosmonautics from 2010 to 2013
      Conclusions from PE
      According to the conclusions of the interdepartmental commission, the accident was caused by a failure in the operation of three angular velocity sensors, which were installed incorrectly - with a turn of 180 degrees. According to the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Rogozin, the reason for the technical error during the assembly of the Proton became criminal negligence.
      http://www.itar-tass.com/c1/840394.html

      to be continued
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 14 August 2013 19: 57
        +2
        end
        now open the Criminal Code
        Article 293. Negligence
        [Criminal Code of the Russian Federation] [Chapter 30] [Article 293]
        1. Negligence, that is, non-fulfillment or improper fulfillment by an official of his duties as a result of unfair or negligent attitude to the service, if this resulted in major damage or a substantial violation of the rights and legitimate interests of citizens or organizations or legally protected interests of the society or state

        shall be punished with a fine of up to one hundred twenty thousand rubles or in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to one year, or compulsory work for up to three hundred and sixty hours, or correctional work for up to one year, or arrest for up to three months .
        2. The same act which, through negligence, entailed infliction of grievous bodily harm or death of a person, -

        is punished by forced labor for up to five years with deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for up to three years or without imprisonment for up to five years with deprivation of the right to hold certain posts or engage in certain activities for up to three years or without it.
        3. The conduct provided for in part one of this article, which caused by negligence the death of two or more persons,
        Shall be punishable by forced labor for a term of up to five years, with or without deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions for a term of up to three years, or deprivation of liberty for a term of up to seven years, with the deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to three years, or without that.

        Note. Major damage in this article is the damage, the amount of which exceeds one million five hundred thousand rubles.
        http://www.zakonrf.info/uk/293/

        Questions:
        and there are only two
        1. Whether a criminal case has been opened.
        2. Who has been prosecuted to date.
        In my opinion, neither UD nor attracted, no, which means disasters will continue. That's so short and clear. Alas.
  8. knn54
    knn54 14 August 2013 20: 00
    12
    - that if all the devices of this system are in orbit, GLONASS “will work much better than the GPS system”.
    The launch was epoch-making - it was expected that thanks to three new devices (these were 111, 112 and 113 system satellites), the GLONASS constellation would finally be deployed to its full strength.
    Clearly, who needs it.
    -he believes "the defeat of military acceptance and, as a result, the fall in quality control is a diversion."
    GLONASS satellites comprise one third (!) Of components purchased abroad "for currency". It is not clear from anyone, it is not clear by whom. VP / PZ would not have missed such a product.
    In "Roskosmos" collapse, lobbyism and nepotism. This is a diagnosis of the Accounts Chamber.
    "The budget of the Federal Space Program has grown 2,5 times, but the efficiency is low. Over the past 2 years, Russia has launched only half of the required number of spacecraft. The cost of their creation and maintenance is 4 times more than in the West ..." Well, and corruption ...
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 14 August 2013 20: 11
      +8
      Quote: knn54
      In "Roskosmos" collapse, lobbyism and nepotism. This is a diagnosis of the Accounts Chamber.

      good , The diagnosis is, it means sick, but from such an "infection" one "vaccine" and only one pharmacist - the prosecutor's office.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 14 August 2013 20: 57
        +6
        Quote: Tersky
        There is a diagnosis, it means I am sick, but from such an "infection" there is only one "vaccine" and only one pharmacist - the prosecutor's office.
        Hello Victor! I am afraid that an epidemic has occurred in all power structures, the prosecutor's office is also sick with the same disease. So, in this situation, only the firing squad with their "pills for all diseases" can act as a pharmacist.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 14 August 2013 21: 18
          +5
          Quote: Garrin
          with their "pills for all diseases."

          Igor, hello! Is this like that? The main thing is to look at the variety, but they assure us that there are no methods or medicine ...
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 14 August 2013 21: 21
            +5
            Quote: Tersky
            Is this like that?

            Well yes. Only calibers would, I still added. wink
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 14 August 2013 21: 30
              +6
              Quote: Garrin
              Well yes. Only calibers, I still added

              given their steadfastness, the desire is well founded,
              laughing
              1. alone
                alone 14 August 2013 22: 53
                +3
                It would not hurt to burst)))
              2. old man54
                old man54 15 August 2013 01: 32
                +2
                Quote: Tersky
                given their stubbornness, the desire is well founded

                good laughing laughing
            2. Revolver
              Revolver 15 August 2013 02: 19
              +5
              Quote: Garrin
              Quote: Tersky
              Is this like that?

              Well yes. Only calibers would, I still added. wink

              Under Stalin, the modest Naganov caliber of 7.62 did quite well. And in the absence of Stalin and Beria, even if you take the main caliber of the battleship, it’s still not the case.
      2. kotvov
        kotvov 15 August 2013 13: 22
        +2
        and who are the judges?
    2. rlanry
      rlanry 15 August 2013 13: 58
      0
      The staffing is already there, all 24 satellites. And these 3 were launched for the reserve.
  9. zvereok
    zvereok 14 August 2013 20: 08
    +5
    Quote: stroitel
    Homeland is written with a capital letter


    I apologize for the small child running, corrected already.
  10. Kiliny
    Kiliny 14 August 2013 20: 17
    +3
    When will they be responsible for our actions in full? After all, this applies to everyone and everything. It is unacceptable to release everything on the brakes !!! Enough !!! am
    1. sergeschern
      sergeschern 14 August 2013 20: 51
      +5
      I think these questions are for our "guarantor of the constitution" - DOCOLA? ... ... ...
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 14 August 2013 21: 04
        +4
        Quote: sergeschern
        I think these questions are for our "guarantor of the constitution" - DOCOLA? ... ... ...


        ...... Dmitry Anatolyevich issued to the head of Roskosmos ......rebuke ?! winked , and in the days of the Union would be sent to the bunk.
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 14 August 2013 21: 11
          +2
          Quote: Apollon
          ...... Dmitry Anatolyevich gave the head of Roscosmos ...... reprimand ?!
          Glad to welcome Apollon!
          And the GDP said that now it’s not the 37th ... That's how we live ...
  11. Navy7981
    Navy7981 14 August 2013 20: 23
    +4
    and here’s another interesting fact that has nothing to do with rockets and satellites, but it somehow strangely coincides in meaning. As soon as our livestock component, specifically pig breeding, is gaining strength and we begin to drive quotas for the supply of imports as soon as there is an African plague !!! True, sometimes the African plague coincides in time with the desire of the local leader to build his farm. It is necessary to look for someone profitable angry
  12. orek
    orek 14 August 2013 20: 24
    +7
    Earlier, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin on Twitter wrote that suspects of a gross violation of the technology for assembling the Proton-M rocket will be tested on a polygraph. QUOTE,
    Why doesn’t anyone revolt and are not disturbed by the fact that the Deputy Prime Minister writes to TWITTER and not to the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation. He would have turned to graffiti.
  13. Betahon
    Betahon 14 August 2013 20: 26
    +2
    Such a conclusion and further emergency measures to eliminate the causes should not be made by an astronaut, but by security officers and pear-bombers!
    But Rogozin urgently needs to achieve the deprivatization and structuring of the entire aerospace industry ... for starters
  14. Corsair
    Corsair 14 August 2013 20: 35
    +2
    Earlier, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin on Twitter wrote that suspects of a gross violation of the technology for assembling the Proton-M rocket will be tested on a polygraph.

    Moreover, the information is quite old. Has a check been made and what are its results?
  15. Ascetic
    Ascetic 14 August 2013 21: 08
    +6
    Who wished to remain anonymous, a Strategic Missile Forces veteran, considers the version of the improper installation of three angular velocity sensors "bullshit". They are made in such a way that it is impossible to install these devices in a different way because "they will simply be destroyed."


    Damn, it means I'm not the only one who thinks so ... thank God and my colleague who wished to remain anonymous. And the orange flame in one of the six engines is very similar to a leak of nitrogen tetraxide, then an engine failure, an increase in torque due to eccentricity of thrust and then an accident .. try to fix the sensor in a wrong way or plug the connector in the wrong way. Oh, I can't believe something! Since the beginning of aviation and space, there has been "protection from hangover" pickers. And I don’t believe that something has changed now!
    1. El13
      El13 14 August 2013 23: 29
      +3
      I thought so too, but ... I watched the video ten times. When the rocket was already flying horizontally, there was no longer a "leak", and when it turned over - all six engines were shining (working), I assume that one of the engines went into deep throttling to compensate for the "angular acceleration" that appeared, which is why a dark plume went off, so it is quite possible that the reason is incorrect information from the sensors. But this is IMHO.
  16. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 14 August 2013 21: 17
    +5
    Of course, this is sabotage. Only a deaf and dumb, or a liberalist will not see the pattern in that the most reliable carrier explodes only at launches with GLONASS satellites.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 14 August 2013 22: 43
      +6
      Quote: Peaceful military
      reliable carrier explodes only on launches with GLONASS satellites.


      The UR-500 is generally a very reliable product, as are the RD-275 engines (modification of the RD-253). The reliability factor of the "Proton" LV is currently 0.97. In general, it looks like a wrong BIOS firmware. This version seems to me the closest to the truth.

      Experts discussed different options in the blogosphere and social networks, and, in my opinion, the most professional option is that the accident was caused by a deliberate “reversal of polarity" in the control algorithm of the on-board automation system. With this version of the commission, the cause of the accident is a “premature start”: 0,4 seconds earlier, when the pressure in the combustion chambers of the engines was 90 atmospheres instead of the prescribed 150 atmospheres. And this means that a rocket with a launch mass of 700 tons has come off the launch pad with an engine thrust of 550 tons-force (tf). But this cannot be. To detach the rocket from the launch pad with a pull of 550 tf and maintain the rate of climb, the launch mass of the rocket should be 420 tons. And this means that the rocket should not have three GLONASS satellites, should not have RB DM, and the second and third stages should not be fueled. The doomed catastrophe was launched. The catastrophe itself was rigged. Sensors are physically impossible to install and connect incorrectly. But the program "tweak" - easily. But with access. Thus, the version is quite likely that the purpose of the accident is to obtain insurance, which was discussed by our experts in the article "Soviet missiles did not fall so often, although they were not insured." Let me remind you that liability to third parties when launching the Proton-M launch vehicle was insured by the Russian Insurance Center for $ 182 million. "

      link
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 14 August 2013 23: 03
        +2
        Interesting opinion! That is, the disaster itself was the result of completely different, not technological, reasons? May be.....

        It is quite plausible that the satellites launched were "raw". A start at 0,4 earlier levels everything!

        Is it really possible for us? Though...?
  17. buga1979
    buga1979 14 August 2013 21: 45
    0
    Quote: makst83
    A strange trend is observed with satellite launches! Western satellites go into orbit and work, but our Glonass and others do not. They are not put into the calculated orbit, then they explode at the start, all this is strange! No, I don't see any conspiracy, but the trend is comrades ...
    NO IT IS ALL UNDERSTANDING AND WHERE THE FSB LOOKS
  18. dizelniy
    dizelniy 14 August 2013 21: 45
    +1
    At the start of the rocket, a trace of fuel that is not burnt in the area of ​​the steering engines is visible behind it. Sensors are an excuse most likely. The footprint and connection cable would not allow this. Remember the lunar rocket with the constant destruction of the fuel pump, suggestive.
  19. Jet blackbird
    Jet blackbird 14 August 2013 22: 03
    +3
    ... The fact that this is a possible provocation is almost beyond doubt. GLONASS is a strategic resource and all those "responsible for the failure" should be punished in the most severe way so that "others" think deeply.
  20. me
    me 14 August 2013 22: 09
    0
    Either sloppiness, or X-37B works)).
  21. Nayhas
    Nayhas 14 August 2013 22: 28
    +1
    Igor Volk is most likely not far from the truth, only he doesn’t negotiate to the end, clearly realizing that it will cost him dearly ...
  22. wax
    wax 14 August 2013 22: 33
    +2
    As long as we put foreign chips on military-space technology, we will be mortally vulnerable at any time.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 14 August 2013 22: 40
      +4
      Quote: Wax
      As long as we put foreign chips on military-space technology, we will be mortally vulnerable at any time.

      Clear business. They are with the switch! wassat
  23. Aryan
    Aryan 14 August 2013 22: 41
    +1
    fau2
    Quote: seasoned

    Were there satellites? Everything turned out very well in order to "hide the ends in an accident." The money is big, you can't find the ends and the old rule "died, so died." winked
    All these tales about external influence are somehow frivolous, now everything can be traced, besides the channels are carefully encrypted, if there is any data that a "second country" has intervened, then you need to respond adequately, knocking down the satellites of that country or demand compensation with a broad notification in MASS MEDIA.
    you have thoughts from the topic why the Germans were not on the moon
    won fonbrown rockets did, but for them for some reason did not fly to London
  24. mosgeo1
    mosgeo1 14 August 2013 22: 57
    0
    Yes, the fool is clear!
  25. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 14 August 2013 23: 03
    +5
    Such accidents have become natural ...
    It's time to take a closer look at the Stalinist laws on liability for harm without changing anything with all the consequences.

    And the rockets will fly and the submarines will stop burning and a lot of things in the country will change for the better.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 14 August 2013 23: 07
      +3
      Quote: Samsebenum
      Such accidents have become natural ...
      It's time to take a closer look at the Stalinist laws on liability for harm without changing anything with all the consequences.

      And the rockets will fly and the submarines will stop burning and a lot of things in the country will change for the better.


      the writing style absolutely correctly reflects the nickname you have chosen.
      I greet you Valery buddyhi drinks
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 14 August 2013 23: 09
        +3
        Quote: Apollon
        the writing style absolutely correctly reflects the nickname you have chosen.


        Very subtle and correct comment !!! good
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 14 August 2013 23: 11
          +2
          Quote: studentmati
          Very ........


          Thank you repeat
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 14 August 2013 23: 27
            +3
            It is always nice to feel the interlocutor in a "mid-sentence"! You get the greatest pleasure from such communication!
  26. uizik
    uizik 14 August 2013 23: 11
    +2
    Or hands from jo..you have grown or no brains anymore! It is possible that ordinary sabotage. Excessive democracy climbs sideways!
    1. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 14 August 2013 23: 54
      +4
      uizik

      I believe that our society is infected with the "virus of doom". Against the background of the flight of the state from problem industries (under the guise of sales to private hands), which resembles the flight of rats from a sinking ship, what do we want from people?
      Qualities? (for whom?), responsibility? (why?), patriotism? (youth molestation has long been put on stream)
      Someone needs it ...
      It is still not clear nat. idea.

      So the work goes through the sleeves. For the sake of money, perhaps, but not in the name of state. interests.
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 15 August 2013 00: 01
        +3
        Quote: Samsebenum
        It is still not clear nat. idea.


        I agree absolutely !!! drinks The presence of the State Idea is the guarantee of state consistency! And today in Russia "confusion and vacillation" continues.
  27. studentmati
    studentmati 14 August 2013 23: 20
    +2
    Another source in the military space agency said that on the eve of the fall of the Proton-M launch vehicle, communication was lost with one of the satellites that were in geostationary orbit in the Southern Hemisphere. The device with a large warranty resource suddenly stopped its work and did not respond to commands from the Earth. According to the source, it was possible to disrupt the operation of the satellite only by an external physical impact, since the device is controlled by highly reliable communication lines.


    Tell me, please, where is the Kh-37V now located and what is it doing?

    And why doesn’t the version of global geomagnetic influence sound? It is here and now?

    And why isn't the version of "correctly" flashed chips (most likely of foreign production) announced?

    Why are you fixated on the "switchmen" of Uncle Vasya and Aunt Zina?
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 14 August 2013 23: 25
      +1
      Hi Sash, the X-37B was launched from Cape Canaveral "at some stage in the fall of 2012", as previously assumed. The Vandenberg base command did not name the exact launch date.
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 14 August 2013 23: 36
        +1
        According to Wikipedia, the start was 11.12.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX. But what strikes me most is the fact of fantastically successful three consecutive launches and such fantastically long flights! This is a real breakthrough !!!, comparable to the flight of Gagarin!

        And the secrecy regime is very surprising? Nobody knows anything ... Ha ha ha !!! And this is in the days of Snowden? Okay, we are ordinary people, I hope "those who need ... know everything ..."!
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 14 August 2013 23: 42
          +1
          Sash, I’ll add, in the interests of whose departments flights are carried out?
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 14 August 2013 23: 46
            +1
            Quote: Alex 241
            Sash, I’ll add, in the interests of whose departments flights are carried out?


            One interest - state!

            Methods? Only those that allow to achieve state interests! And the methods of achievement in this case do not matter!
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 14 August 2013 23: 57
              0
              Sasha, you do not know our companions have extraterritorial status?
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 15 August 2013 00: 06
                +1
                Quote: Alex 241
                Sasha, you do not know our companions have extraterritorial status?


                Don't understand the question, Sash?

                I talked about the X-37V. And therefore about his nationality.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 15 August 2013 00: 10
                  +3
                  Sash, if our companions have extraterritorial status, then any action against them can be considered an act of war.
                  1. studentmati
                    studentmati 15 August 2013 00: 17
                    +2
                    I understand you, Sasha!

                    "Where is the evidence?" They will say that "everything that happened is a chain of random circumstances and coincidences ...". The status of space objects is still very conditional ...

                    Are there moral standards in the heads of these hawks?

                    The presence of a superweapon gives the right, according to their concepts, to "super actions".
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 15 August 2013 00: 35
                      +3
                      It’s a pity that this program was closed. MiG-31 as an element of anti-satellite weapons

                      Since 1978, in the USSR, Vympel Design Bureau began work on the creation of an anti-satellite missile equipped with an OBCh and capable of being used from a MiG-31 fighter-interceptor. The missile was launched to a predetermined height using an airplane, after which it was launched and the warhead detonated directly near the satellite. In 1986, the MiG Design Bureau began work on finalizing 2 MiG-31 fighter-interceptors for new weapons.

                      The upgraded aircraft received the designation MiG-31D. He had to carry one large specialized missile, and his weapon control system was completely redesigned for its use. Both aircraft were single and did not carry radar (instead of them 200 kg weight models were installed).

                      Anti-satellite weapons - space killers MiG-31D interceptor fighter

                      The MiG-31D had flows like on the MiG-31M, and was also equipped with large triangular planes located at the ends of the wing of the aircraft, which were called “flippers” and were similar to those on the prototype MiG-25P. These "flippers" were designed to give the fighter additional stability in flight when suspended on the external ventral pylon of a large anti-satellite missile. Fighters received tail numbers 071 and 072.

                      Work on these two machines was completed in 1987, and in the same year, aircraft with tail number 072 began flight tests at the Design Bureau in Zhukovsky. The test program for fighters lasted for several years and was suspended only in the early 1990s due to an unclear situation with the appearance of the necessary rocket.

                      For the first time, photographs of the new fighter-interceptor fighter with an anti-satellite missile under the fuselage were published in August 1992 in the journal Aviation Week and Space Technology. However, the tests of this system were never completed. Work on the creation of an anti-satellite missile was conducted by the Vympel Design Bureau, specializing in the development of SD. It was assumed that the MiG-31D will launch an anti-satellite missile at an altitude of about 17.000 meters and a flight speed of 3000 km / h.
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 15 August 2013 00: 41
                        +2
                        Rocket 79M6 (left) and MiG-31D carrier aircraft No. 072 blue at the Sary-Shagan training ground. Probably, the photo was taken in 2003 during a visit to the Sary-Shagan training ground by the President of Kazakhstan N. Nazarbayev
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 15 August 2013 00: 44
                        +2
                        Tests of the Z0P6 system at the Sary-Shagan test site were specified by the Decree of the USSR Council of Ministers No. 182-299 of November 27, 1984 and began in 1985. In 1986, an assessment was made of the information and technical interface of the 30P6 "Contact" and 45Zh6 "Krona" complexes. The principles of organizing data exchange between the command posts of the "Krona" complexes and the 30P6 complex have been developed. Work on the study of the capabilities and on the testing and deployment of the complex means were carried out until 1995.

                        On August 11, 2009, the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force, Colonel-General Alexander Zelin, reported that during the Soviet era, a version of the MiG-31 aircraft was created for anti-space defense tasks. "This system is being reanimated to solve the same problems," RIA Novosti quotes. Apparently, some work was actually carried out in 2009-2010. since according to the official documents on state purchases, the high-precision channel of the radar “N” was being adjusted at the Krona complexes.

                        TTX complex:
                        30P6 / MiG-31D "Ishim" / MiG-31I
                        Rocket 79M6 "Contact" - ICB "Fakel" "Ishim" - MIT
                        Missile length approx. 10 m approx. 10 m
                        Rocket diameter 740 mm
                        Missile weight 4550 kg approx. 10000 kg
                        Payload mass 20 kg (? Kinetic interceptor) 120/160 kg
                        The maximum range of the carrier to the launch point is 600 km 500 km
                        Carrier speed at launch point 2120-2230 km / h / 2.55 M
                        Launch point 15-18 km
                        Payload Orbit Height
                        from 120 km - with a mass of 120 kg - 600 km
                        - with a mass of 160 kg - 300 km
                        Orbital inclination angle of the AES target 50-104 degrees standardly 46 degrees
                        MiG-31D carrier exit accuracy at launch point:
                        - pr course - 2 degrees
                        - lateral displacement - up to 2 km
                        The MiG-31D launch vehicle’s exit time to the launch point is no more than 50 seconds before it passes over the AES target point
                        Rocket flight time - 100-380 sec
                        Goal servicing pace - 24 goals in 36 hours

                        Status: USSR
                        - 1997 - according to the media, the development of a satellite launching system began using the MiG-31S carrier aircraft based on the MiG-31 and, probably, using the developments in the 30P6 "Contact" complex project. The rocket for this project is being developed by Vympel Design Bureau.

                        - 2003 - there was a proposal to create, jointly with Kazakhstan, a project for the use of MiG-31D aircraft carriers in the Ishim aerospace system for launching small satellites into near-earth orbit. The three-stage rocket for the system was to be designed by MIT.

                        - 2007 June 12 - The media reported that the government of Kazakhstan has decided to close the joint space project "Ishim" with Russia due to economic inexpediency.

                        - 2009 August 11 - Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force, Colonel-General Alexander Zelin said that during the Soviet era, a version of the MiG-31 aircraft was created for anti-space defense tasks. "This system is being reanimated to solve the same problems," RIA Novosti quotes.

                        - 2010 - as part of the modernization of the radar-optical complex (ROK) "Krona" successfully carried out State tests of the laser optical locator. It is planned to carry out state tests of the entire complex "Krona" (source - Falichev).

                        MiG-31D registry:
                        №pp Name Board No. Serial No. First flight Note
                        MiG-31D / product "07/1" 071 1987 anti-satellite missile carrier aircraft
                        MiG-31D / product "07/2" 072 1987 anti-satellite missile carrier aircraft
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 15 August 2013 00: 47
                        +4
                        Radar 20Ж6 complex 45Ж6 "Krona"
                      4. studentmati
                        studentmati 15 August 2013 00: 56
                        +3
                        Mig-31, as a product, has inexhaustible potential for at least 80 years ahead !!!! good

                        Today, politics is entering the process .... what to buy? What to produce? What to repair and operate? .......... That is, where and how to "cut and roll back" ....

                        System - by definition, has a direct pass to the crematorium!
                  2. studentmati
                    studentmati 15 August 2013 00: 44
                    +2
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    It’s a pity that this program was closed. MiG-31 as an element of anti-satellite weapons


                    In fact, Sash, then everything and everyone was "closed" ... There may be so many comments that there will not be enough time until the morning of January 01, 2014 ...

                    It's sad, but you need to go forward, "plow" and "drag the strap" in spite of the adversaries and for the sake of the prosperity of our State !!! drinks
                  3. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 15 August 2013 00: 59
                    +3
                    Sasha politics is politics, but logic, like in a street fight, always respects strength.
                  4. studentmati
                    studentmati 15 August 2013 01: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    Sasha politics is politics, but logic, like in a street fight, always respects strength.


                    I thought, I thought, but apart from respect for the "Voevoda" in our time, I did not come up with anything ...
                  5. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 15 August 2013 01: 16
                    +1
                    This will cause respect for anyone.
              2. old man54
                old man54 15 August 2013 01: 46
                +3
                Quote: studentmati
                but you need to go forward, "plow" and "drag the strap" in spite of the adversaries and for the sake of the prosperity of our State !!!

                GOLD WORDS!!! good
        2. old man54
          old man54 15 August 2013 01: 41
          +1
          Quote: Alex 241
          Sash, if our companions have extraterritorial status, then any action against them can be considered an act of war.

          Alexander, they are drowning boats with crews at the landfill areas in full view of the other half of the fleet, and neither of them, nor their war, nor the slap in the face are the same, even if on the sly and in a nap. So why are the satellites then ... recourse
  • Andrey Energiya
    Andrey Energiya 14 August 2013 23: 35
    +3
    Gentlemen, while thief Putin in power will only get worse, he will destroy everything with his gang of thieves even under Yeltsin, and then there wouldn’t be such that 5-7 space launches a year would be unsuccessful
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 14 August 2013 23: 39
      -3
      Quote: Andrey Energiya
      Gentlemen, while thief Putin in power will only get worse, he will destroy everything with his gang of thieves even under Yeltsin, and then there wouldn’t be such that 5-7 space launches a year would be unsuccessful


      Your comment is more appropriate on the site "political review". Sorry!
  • Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 14 August 2013 23: 49
    +2
    Quote: biglow
    We need a military trick to launch western satellites together with ours. And then we will see by chance missiles fall or not ....


    You are a plus! Very constructive offer!
  • efeer
    efeer 14 August 2013 23: 49
    +3
    ... in a geostationary orbit in the Southern Hemisphere

    Our companions do not know how)
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 14 August 2013 23: 51
      +1
      Quote: efeer
      Our companions do not know how)


      And you can read more?
      1. efeer
        efeer 15 August 2013 00: 14
        +3
        It is possible) The concept of a geostationary orbit dooms the satellites to hang exactly above the equator in the plane perpendicular to the axis of rotation of Mother Earth. If I am not mistaken, the satellites for the GLONASS system are located in three orbital planes, none of which is neither geosynchronous nor geostationary ...
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 14 August 2013 23: 56
    +1
    In the 30s it was called sabotage. And you don’t believe now.
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 14 August 2013 23: 57
    +4
    Looks like grandfather Dzhugavshili will soon come out of the Kremlin wall. No other way. Finally, they began to pronounce the word "deviance" openly. On "Nerpa" in B. Kamen, these guys did their best. But then they hushed up the matter.
    1. old man54
      old man54 15 August 2013 01: 48
      +1
      Quote: shpuntik
      On "Nerpa" in B. Kamen, these guys did their best.

      WHAT IS SPEECH ??
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 15 August 2013 20: 44
        +1
        old man54 (1) RU Today, 01:48 ↑
        WHAT IS SPEECH ??

        Andrew, hello. hi
        It's about the guys being poisoned. The word "sabotage" sounded - and I gave an example from life.
        On the subject:
        the accusation in court went floridly. They presented the death of people as from suffocation, lack of oxygen, and not from poisoning. This "trick with the ears" immediately cuts off questions about the composition of the gas, and leads to the reasons for the operation of the automation (electronics).
        And the fact that the gas was diluted with poison (tetrachlorethylene) is not noticed.
        I apologize for the late reply, I was looking for an explanatory link. Here: http://flot.com/blog/KlubpodvodnikovIgorKurdin/experts-on-freon-for-quotnerpaquo


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  • individual
    individual 15 August 2013 00: 33
    +4
    It’s not clear why they are holding full-time responsible instructor inspectors,
    inspectors checking? Why are double-triple control and duplication systems being created if, as a result, disasters of Protons and Glonas satellites occur? And most importantly, no one will say about the results of the investigation, not formal replies about strange sensors, careless performers or a mixed connection +, - polarity, which sounds wild and not professional.
    It is believed that missile launchers are not being launched with dummies of equipment for theft of colossal funds from the budget.
    If I'm wrong correct!
    But the "alien worm" sits in the Russian space system.
  • marat63
    marat63 15 August 2013 01: 20
    +1
    that’s all democracy ....
  • Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 15 August 2013 02: 17
    +1
    Quote: stroitel
    Homeland is written with a capital letter

    And, if, so smart, after the word "Rolin", put a comma.
  • papas-57
    papas-57 15 August 2013 05: 43
    +1
    Diversion is the main version. But it is worth considering another thing: were there satellites on Proton. Maybe there, due to the cut of funds, there were models (which are cheaper at times)
    1. Alekseir162
      Alekseir162 15 August 2013 11: 33
      +1
      It may even be so, but the wrecking version is worth checking out.
  • guran
    guran 15 August 2013 05: 57
    +1
    Again, Russia on the same rake of the whole foot) We are looking for the enemy, he and only he, adversary, gnaws rockets at night.
    It has long been recognized: the mess in Russia is more than just a mess. The mess and indifference is independent of regime and power. It is necessary to change the working culture, to value engineers and workers, to pay them a salary such that they are afraid to lose their jobs. Eh ..! Take the USSR. There they paid salaries, and there was control, but the quality was all the same - x ... very poor. It’s just that they didn’t talk about failures in the media before, people fed rumors. There were usually big failures by ear, but how many were small? Yes, we are mired in failure a hundred years ago.

    USA. In total, from the late 1960s to 1998, 23 DSP satellites of six modifications were manufactured. All were launched. The declared active life in orbit is 18 months. Almost all devices significantly covered this limit.

    THE USSR. Everything is simpler with us and has no analogues. First of all, it concerns the reliability of the devices. Of the first 13 satellites launched from 1972 to 1979, only seven worked for more than 100 days. The satellites were equipped with a self-destruct system, which was activated if the satellite lost contact with the ground control point. Until self-destruction systems were removed in 1983, 11 of the 31 satellites self-destructed.
    It turns out that by the mid-80s we had launched more warning satellites than zealous Americans in history. At the same time, they managed to turn almost half of the vehicles into space debris. And this was when the country was closed, there was no "brain flight", although everyone understands what kind of "minds" there are. And the salary was, and control, and the result?

    Actually, we were always proud of the first place in the number of annual launches, ignoring the level of quality of orbital technology. Today, the championship in the number of launches is still the main criterion for the "triumph" of the national space program.
  • Know-nothing
    Know-nothing 15 August 2013 05: 57
    +2
    I apologize, but did the enemy saboteurs try with the recent "Bion"?
    1. Windbreak
      Windbreak 15 August 2013 16: 06
      +1
      The Chinese abandoned the gerbil saboteur
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 15 August 2013 07: 40
    +2
    In addition, one of the reasons for what is happening, he considers "the defeat of military acceptance and, as a result, the fall in quality control - is sabotage."

    Under whose strict guidance was this sabotage carried out?
    Quote: papas-57
    But it is worth considering another thing: were there satellites on Proton. Maybe there, due to the cut of funds, there were models (which are cheaper at times)

    A carrier accident will not destroy the satellite so much as not to distinguish the dummy from the product.
    Quote: studentmati
    It is quite plausible that the satellites launched were "raw".

    And all the previous satellites that are already working?
  • lecturer
    lecturer 15 August 2013 09: 06
    +3
    Most likely, sabotage can only sit in the PROGRAMS of supplies! ... Only they can be quickly brought down during the assembly of the ship. Sorry guys, BUT this is the old naval mechanic speaking! Remember how our expeditions disappeared in the North because of the "merchants" who "provided" them with products that were lost, spoiled, etc.?
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 15 August 2013 09: 17
    +2
    Well, what's unclear! All this is just business and nothing personal. Well, our program is right across the throat of the "partners", then let it go: "... business and nothing personal ..." (And even a few corrupt bastards).
  • Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 15 August 2013 11: 41
    +2
    A lot of these corrupt bastards divorced. It's time to apply 1937 to them. Many have already forgotten about folk wisdom. One of them says: "If you see Red or Humpbacked - kill!" am
  • Egor.nic
    Egor.nic 15 August 2013 12: 10
    +2
    "GLONASS" will work much better than the GPS system "" belay
    Do not tell people .... with a snout yes in the elite row .....
    Essentially - In the space industry there is a tacit rule, if the products created according to the program do not correspond to the performance characteristics, and also have significant deviations from the design documentation and manufacturing technology, or it is necessary to cover up the traces of "burying funds in the sand", then such launches are carried out "over the hill". And then the commissions make brilliant conclusions.
    Search for pests and polygraph tests should be done not only by simple hard workers, but without fail a larger fish.
    Second, there are facts that have appeared since the 90s of external influences on satellites already placed in orbits. So, there is no discovery in this, there is only a desire not to see the obvious, to bury the funds and splurge on the alleged "achievements".
  • Old warrior
    Old warrior 15 August 2013 13: 14
    +1
    A hundred times everything is said, retold. That's right, only who will do this?
  • rlanry
    rlanry 15 August 2013 13: 44
    +1
    Wolf did not tell whom, but noticed that if all the devices of this system were in orbit, GLONASS “will work much better than the GPS system”

    So in fact, all 24 apparatuses necessary for the regular operation of the system already work in orbit, and there are even backup ones. Why give the floor to a person who does not even know this fact?
  • Diviz
    Diviz 15 August 2013 14: 51
    +1
    everything is let down by chance. no one wants to take responsibility. nobody wants to be extreme. patriots have outlived. democracy has built up. it means I'm not me not mine. many goals, dough is not measured. maybe or maybe not. need or maybe not. necessary or maybe not necessary. okay go bowling.
  • michajlo
    michajlo 15 August 2013 18: 56
    +1
    Quote: valokordin
    Quote: makst83
    A different trend is observed with satellite launches! Western satellites go into orbit and work, but our Glonass and others do not. They are not put into the calculated orbit, then they explode at the start, all this is strange! No, I don't see any conspiracy, but the trend is comrades ...

    There is an invisible war against Russia, where the FSB is looking, or it can only deal with protection, and where is the landing, or again not for 37 years.

    Hello dear "valokordin"!
    I understand that in order for everything to fly and work, and didn't fall according to the CIA plan, we must first put the main "steering" comrades in the Kremlin and on the Lubyanka.
    But who do you think will carry out this necessary event? what
  • michajlo
    michajlo 15 August 2013 19: 09
    +2
    Quote: Apollon
    Irresponsibility and slackness, these are the main reasons for failures in the missile industry, and perhaps only there. I believe that there is a need to provide even greater rights of the FSB of the Russian Federation in terms of control and supervisory functions over the activities of all corporations associated with the country's defense capability + increased responsibility of persons involved in all kinds of disasters and equipment breakdowns. Only in this way can the situation be corrected. ...

    Hello dear "Apollon"!
    Your offer is interesting, I fully support it. True, I have 2 questions:
    1. What do you think today the FSB has few rights, means and people?
    2. If, in September 2013, after the FSB has been vested with new rights (up to a brief trial in place, execution / or 25 years and confiscation of property),
    - our Carrier with Russian satellites will fall again (why aren't the American ones falling in Kazakhstan for some reason?), who will need to be pursued by the FSB (switchman Vasya and collector Petya), or Pests higher?
    I will be very glad to hear your opinion. Thanks in advance!