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In Russia, working on the oval aircraft "Frigate Ecojet"

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In Russia, work is underway to create a civilian aircraft, the Frigate Ecojet, which can be called a new word in the aircraft industry. The Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI) is working on new technologies for the Fregat Ecojet aircraft, which has an oval body. It is reported by ITAR-TASS, referring to the head of the laboratory TsAGI Peter Savin. Currently in the world there are no aircraft that would have a similar layout.


The experiments carried out in the TsAGI wind tunnels proved the feasibility of a project to create a Frigate Ecojet passenger liner with an oval fuselage. If there is a positive opinion of UAC, this project can be included in the “2020 Aircraft” program, Peter Savin talked about this at the 3-th International Industrial Youth Forum “Engineers of the Future-2013”.
The Frigate Ecojet wide-body passenger aircraft is designed according to an integrated circuit using 2 Russian-made engines (PS-90A20 or PD-18R) or foreign engines (Pratt & Whitney, Rolls-Royce,). The basis of its concept and a fundamentally new element of the proposed wide-body passenger aircraft is the use of an elliptical fuselage cross-section.

In Russia, working on the oval aircraft "Frigate Ecojet"

The form of the fuselage chosen by the developers provides the aircraft with minimum dimensions provided that the 300 – 350 passengers are accommodated in 3’s individual cabins with a pitch of at least 810 mm and equipped with three main aisles at least 500 mm wide. In economy class, passenger seats can be reduced to 400. It is assumed that in the basic layout the Frigate Ecojet will be able to take the passenger on board the 302. The lower deck of the aircraft has 2 baggage compartments that can hold up to 20 LD-3 type containers or cargo on 95 × 125 cm pallets (37,4 x49,2 inches). For the aircraft provides a three-class layout: business class, premium economic and economic class. All airplanes are planned to be used on medium and short range routes at a distance of up to 4,5 thousands of kilometers.

The section chosen by Russian engineers, depending on the cabin layout, on the 4-14% is able to reduce the area of ​​the fuselage washed surface compared to modern wide-body passenger airliners such as IL-86, IL-96, Woeing 777-200 and Airbus XNX-X-NX-XNX-XNUM-XNUM-340, IL-300 and Boeing XNUM-XNUMX. At the same time, the floor of the passenger cabin of the new Russian aircraft is planned to be used as an element of the structural-power circuit for the perception of excess pressure.


The TsAGI conclusion on the promising Frigate Ecojet aircraft says that the proposed scheme of a passenger airliner is possible and, most importantly, feasible in practice, and the integrated efficiency indicator is up to 35% higher than all currently existing models aviation technicians. This conclusion was also preceded by the comprehensive work of designers to conduct all kinds of research and “fine tune” the project to the actual route networks of a number of aviation companies.

Alexander Klimov, who is the head of the Fregat Ecojet project, told reporters that the presented feasibility study of the project assumes that the first Frigate Ecojet airliners will be put into operation in 2020. According to the IATA studies, this year should be a massive replacement of aircraft fleets of major world aviation companies. Project management expects that the new aircraft, designed and built on the basis of modern technological scheme, could be an excellent candidate for the replacement of existing passenger aircraft. At the same time, the feasibility study of the Fregat Ecojet project demonstrates its high investment attractiveness both for the state and for other potential investors.


FPG OJSC “Rosaviakonzortsium” has been designing the Russian competitive aircraft “Frigate Ecojet”, starting with 2009. The launch of the serial production of the aircraft is tentatively scheduled for 2020 year. The forecast for the release of "Frigate Ecojet" is 250 aircraft to 2030 year. According to the research conducted by the International Air Transport Association (IATA), the demand for this aircraft at the turn of 2020 is approximately 450 machines. These figures should provide an increase in the share of Russian products in the market of wide-body passenger airliners with a capacity of up to 400 people from the current 0% to 6% of the total international market volume to 2023.

In accordance with the feasibility study, the total investment in the project should be about 115 billion rubles. At the same time, the order of 63% should fall on investments of a capital nature, such as conducting R & D on the design, development and certification of the Fregat Ecojet airliner, organizing a system of its after-sales support, building and equipping a serial assembly production. Investments in the increment of working capital should be about 42 billion rubles. The peak investment load on the Frigate Ecojet airliner project should be in the 2019 year.


It is planned that the structure of the share capital of the project to create an “oval” aircraft will be made up as follows: 10% funds of OJSC Rosaviakonorcium FPG, 30% - budget funds, 50% - an investment loan. In this scenario, the total need for investment from the budget is estimated at 29 billion rubles. The recoupment of these investments will be achieved through tax deductions for the program and must occur in 17 years from the beginning of its implementation, that is, in the 2029 year.

The total amount of tax payments for the project should be 51 billion rubles to 2030 year (forecast). And the total net profit of the project for the period from 2012 to 2030 is estimated at 160 billion rubles a year. It is worth recalling that this year TsAGI specialists evaluated the results of the conceptual design stage of the new Frigate Ecojet aircraft quite positively. Among other things, they noted the possibility of ensuring the durability of the structural-power scheme of the machine in given limits of the weight of the structure, as well as a very high level of perfection of the aerodynamic layout of the aircraft.


Currently, OJSC FPG “Rosaviaconsortium” is one of the first companies in our country that specializes in the management of projects in the field of aviation industry and civil aviation. This company was created to accelerate and optimize the work on the promotion of the Russian aircraft in the domestic market, primarily the Tu-204 aircraft family. However, in addition, FGP OJSC “Rosavianconsortium” implements a number of other projects in the interests of the domestic aviation industry. Among them - the Internet Agency for the sale of air travel Agent.ru, GDS "Sirena-Travel." Another quite important area of ​​the company's activity is design work, within which research and design of an airliner for a fundamentally new design, power and integral aerodynamic design has been conducted for many years.

Information sources:
-http: //rosinform.ru/2013/07/22/v-rossii-idut-raboty-nad-ovalnym-samoletom
-http: //www.aviaport.ru/digest/2013/06/10/256881.html
-http: //www.frigate-ecojet.ru/ru/frigate-ecojet
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  1. Rus_87
    Rus_87 13 August 2013 07: 17
    51
    Frigate Ecojet Linkoraspace Industries Plane wassat Damn, how zadolby these foreign names ... What Ilami, Tupolev can no longer be called, you must definitely come up with some loud word ...
    But seriously, of course, the news is good, the main thing is that other promising projects should not be cut to please this frigate drinks
    1. Greyfox
      Greyfox 13 August 2013 08: 14
      +7
      Please name what such projects can be hacked to please the "frigate"? There are none .. I am now confused by such a short shoulder for such a capacious plane. What are the comparisons with the "long-range" Airbus and Boeing. In reality, this is a replacement for the Il-86, which went out of the way due to economic inefficiency.
      1. Hort
        Hort 13 August 2013 10: 35
        14
        IL-86 did not get off, but "got off" the race for the sake of leased airbuses and Boeing.
        Back in the 2001 year, when the EU issued rules to limit the noise of aircraft engines, our design bureaus proposed replacing the engines on Ilah 86 and 96, and on our upgraded ones.
        And if they continued to fly en masse, then gradually it would be fashionable to change all of avionics to a more modern one.
        The plane was wonderful, I will never forget my children's flight on it from Moscow to Odessa :)
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 13 August 2013 10: 44
          +4
          It is not a matter of noise, but of fuel efficiency and cost of service - a ticket for IL-86 must either be subsidized by the state or no one will buy it because of the price.

          Here is the fuel efficiency of the IL-96 with new engines in Aeroflot - http://www.ato.ru/content/sravnenie-ekspluatacionnoy-ekonomiki-il-96-300-i-boein

          g-767-300-na-opyte-aeroflota
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 14 August 2013 03: 42
            0
            I flew to America on an IL-86. One-way ticket, therefore, I will be remembered forever. Aeroflot Flight Leningrad-New York, was such then, now only FinAir with an intermediate in Helsinki. IL-86 made 2 intermediate landings - in Shannon (Ireland) and Gander (Canada). No one was unloaded, no one sat down, sat down purely for refueling. And FinAir Boeings fly from New York to Helsinki without landings.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 14 August 2013 03: 49
              +2
              Do you know how many disasters in IL 86? I’ll tell you 2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And then there is only one with the victims, but there is a purely human factor.July 28, 2002 After taking off from Sheremetyevo, the interchangeable stabilizer transferred from the take-off position to the extreme position for cabriding in a few seconds. The crew did not manage to use the reserve control of it. The plane reached supercritical angles of attack, which led to stall, fell into the forest, survived 2 flight attendants, 14 people were killed.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 14 August 2013 03: 50
                +1
                He landed at the destination airport with the landing gear retracted and the wing mechanized. In the process of driving along the lane, engines No. 2 and 3 were ignited, as well as in the tail section. After the stop, passengers and crew were safely evacuated, and the fire was quickly eliminated by the fire brigades of the airport. The aircraft received significant damage to the airframe and power plants and was subsequently declared unsuitable for restoration.
                1. studentmati
                  studentmati 14 August 2013 03: 58
                  0
                  In my opinion, the best confirmation of the quality of Il aircraft was the visit of the Russian President to Kachinsky’s funeral. You see, Sasha, what am I talking about? And do you remember in what conditions the visit took place?
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 14 August 2013 04: 00
                    0
                    Yes Sash, here’s board number 1
                    1. studentmati
                      studentmati 14 August 2013 04: 07
                      +2
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      Yes Sash, here’s board number 1


                      And thank God that the entire fleet of the President still consists of domestic products! Although, I suppose this is not for long. At the time, Zil-41047 became a legend in the domestic armored car!
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 14 August 2013 04: 13
                        +1
                        Sasha is also full of foreign cars. But let's not talk about sad things. A319.
                      2. studentmati
                        studentmati 14 August 2013 04: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Sasha is also full of foreign cars. But let's not talk about sad things. A319.


                        Money-commodity-money ...
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 14 August 2013 04: 22
                        +1
                        Pilatus is standing in Domodedovo AVKOM, a cool hummer, I don’t even know what, but I like it. laughing
                      4. studentmati
                        studentmati 14 August 2013 04: 30
                        0
                        Bee by nature!
                      5. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 14 August 2013 04: 34
                        +1
                        Sash is an attempt to create the first air taxi Moscow-Ivanovo, the project is unprofitable and subsidized by the Region-avia company (Now the flights are operated by JSC "AVIA MANAGEMENT GROUP"). The plane was chartered from the company "Avia Management Group", which represents air taxi in Russia under the "Dexter" brand. I will give you a link to see how it all looks in Switzerland.
                        http://www.spotting-pilatus-aircraft.ch/pages/de/pc12/index.html
                      6. studentmati
                        studentmati 14 August 2013 04: 38
                        +1
                        The idea is beautiful, but is it possible in the modern legal field?
                      7. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 14 August 2013 04: 40
                        +1
                        Sasha in the legal is possible, but for the money 2500 rubles. ticket per hour of flight, and 8 passengers per bot.
                      8. studentmati
                        studentmati 14 August 2013 04: 42
                        0
                        So what? FSO will let the center?
                      9. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 14 August 2013 04: 43
                        +1
                        Sasha’s base is in Domodedovo, and I saw with my own eyes that they would allow flying over Moscow, but at a height of at least 7000 m.
                      10. studentmati
                        studentmati 14 August 2013 04: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Sasha’s base is in Domodedovo, and I saw with my own eyes that they would allow flying over Moscow, but at a height of at least 7000 m.


                        Clearly, the normal height for the response!
          2. bddrus
            bddrus 14 August 2013 15: 03
            0
            Krasnoyarsk-Kyzyl flew. on the Internet, the picture of the cabin was very impressive, but in real life the salon turned out to be a little smaller - like in the picture, but the scale is smaller))
  • studentmati
    studentmati 14 August 2013 03: 53
    +1
    IL-86 is rightfully considered the swan song of the Soviet civil aviation industry! It is sad that his achievements were not taken as the basis for further developments. (Or maybe I'm wrong?).
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 14 August 2013 03: 58
      0
      Here is Sash, but he is already 20 years old. July 14, 2013 marks the 20th anniversary of the start of operation of the IL-96-300 airliner on passenger airlines. (Flight SU-315 Sheremetyevo-New York-Sheremetyevo was performed by a double crew. The commander of the aircraft - V.I. Perepelitsa, the commander of the aircraft - V.F. Lashevsky, the second pilot - A.I. Andreev, the second pilot - A.Yu. Papetin, navigator - Yu.V. Tarasov, navigator - A.N. Nishakov, flight engineer - V. B. Sysovsky, flight engineer - A. I. Markov, Dmitry Dmitrievich Barilov supervised the flight)
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 14 August 2013 04: 04
        +1
        Recall another forgotten plane, the attack plane IL 102
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 14 August 2013 04: 07
          +3
          ...............
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 14 August 2013 04: 11
            +1
            Thanks to Zhukovtsy for the safety of the car instance!
  • Greyfox
    Greyfox 13 August 2013 11: 36
    +4
    Quote: hort
    IL-86 did not get off, but "got off" the race for the sake of leased airbuses and Boeing.
    Back in the 2001 year, when the EU issued rules to limit the noise of aircraft engines, our design bureaus proposed replacing the engines on Ilah 86 and 96, and on our upgraded ones.
    And if they continued to fly en masse, then gradually it would be fashionable to change all of avionics to a more modern one.
    The plane was wonderful, I will never forget my children's flight on it from Moscow to Odessa :)

    In fact, the Il-96 was originally on the new PS-90 engines. In Aeroflot they fly to this day, the other thing is that they don't order new ones, but this again not because of the "evil Pogasyan", but because their scheme for 4 engines with 300 passengers are not currently quoted (Airbus stopped production of the A-340 due to lack of demand). As for the IL-86, no one took them away from the airlines and did not order them to take "foreign cars". It would be profitable, they would continue to fly within the country. It became unprofitable to fly on them from the point of view of fuel. It is better not to remember about remotorization, it would not pay for itself, so no one did it.
  • aksakal
    aksakal 13 August 2013 11: 58
    +5
    Quote: hort
    The plane was wonderful, I will never forget my children's flight on it from Moscow to Odessa :)

    - The first regular flight was IL-86 was Moscow-Alma-Ata. By the way, the first supersonic aircraft TU-144 also flew the route "Moscow-Alma-Ata" for the first time.
    This is already a tradition. And traditions need to be protected. What the hell is Odessa? We are waiting for Frigate Ecojet in our city as the first commercial flight smile
    Py.Sy. As for the name - just call it a pot, just don't put it in the oven! The name, the wrapper is also important. I remember our delicious candies in a faded shell and tasteless foreign ones in a bright shell. I remember the most delicious Soviet "Tarhuny" and "Baikals" in standard Cheburashka bottles with faded labels and I remember not very much I liked, but in beautiful bottles with a very bright, catchy Pepsi Cola label. A bright picture, a memorable name, positive emotions and associations associated with this - alas, when promoting products, this must be created! If you plan to sell aircraft to the whole world, not just oil. The world is a buyer, he dictates, speak to him in his language, in which he understands. Unfortunately this is the case. You have to put up with this. Koreans would also like to name their products in oriental splendor, such as "Golden Star" (in English, Goldstar still sounds all right, but it doesn't sound very good in loin and you break your tongue. laughing ), but the reality is such that they had to rebrand and rename themselves LG. Mind you, somehow at once from LG breathed with seriousness and respectability, unlike the "Golden Star", which smells (more precisely, literally stinks) of puppy enthusiasm. They were also outraged there in Seoul, and what cannot be called in Korean? Hence, it is impossible. This is an objective reality.
  • Ulan
    Ulan 13 August 2013 18: 02
    +1
    I flew on the IL-86 in Krasnoyarsk and Sochi. A magnificent car. Top reliability and quality.
    Really had every opportunity for further modernization and perfection.
    The ruin of IL-86 and IL-96 was not their imperfection, but people.
    1. zzaharr
      zzaharr 13 August 2013 18: 21
      0
      They were not leaked by people, but by time. In the 21 century, you cannot fly on 20-th planes. Rather, you can, but not for long, until you go broke.
      I flew a lot on 86's and 96's, and even on 204's. Devices, just a class, but alas ... in the planning and economic departments of airlines there are no romantics and idealists. They write digits about the operation of A330 and IL-96.
      1. jjj
        jjj 13 August 2013 23: 37
        0
        And, meanwhile, "Jumbo" flies and flies, although it is older than wide-body "IL". And it will fly for a long time.
  • Tykta
    Tykta 13 August 2013 16: 34
    +2
    the hacked-on ECIP project, developed in the USSR, is now being actively developed in the USA at once at 3 leading technical universities
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 13 August 2013 08: 44
    0
    Again from the cage of "grandiose" Pogosyanov projects? And how much will this miracle of technology cost taxpayers? There are vague suggestions that the story with the "Superjet" will repeat itself

    1. Greyfox
      Greyfox 13 August 2013 09: 03
      13
      I don’t want to make a srach on the topic of "Super". I suggest looking at it in 5-7 years. Then everything will be clear whether the program was successful or not. So far, "Supers" are starting to fly in foreign companies, a high-tech plant has been built in the Far East, jobs have been created. People make planes, not sell Chinese junk. What disadvantages do you see for the Russian economy?
      PSOne of these days the "Poghosyan project" flew to your place in Ganja.
      1. lazy
        lazy 13 August 2013 18: 00
        0
        "a high-tech plant was built in the Far East" what is this?
        1. Greyfox
          Greyfox 13 August 2013 18: 12
          0
          Quote: lazy
          "a high-tech plant was built in the Far East" what is this?

          This is the production of civilian aircraft at KnAAZ (Komsomolsk-on-Amur). Or does it not count?
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 14 August 2013 02: 04
        +4
        Quote: Greyfox
        The other day the "Poghosyan project" flew to you in Ganja.


        What did he do here smile probably goryuchka ended on the route to Yerevan laughing
        1. Greyfox
          Greyfox 14 August 2013 08: 22
          +1
          Quote: smersh70
          Quote: Greyfox
          The other day the "Poghosyan project" flew to you in Ganja.


          What did he do here smile probably goryuchka ended on the route to Yerevan laughing

          No, not to Yerevan. I flew from Yakutsk to Magadan, I got lost and then opa-Ganja! (Kirkudu joke) smile
          As I understand it, there is a regular flight by a / c "Moskovia". Or because of the surname "Poghosyan" the aircraft should not be allowed into the airspace of Azerbaijan? By the way, this "birdie" used to belong to a bankrupt Armenian a / k. This is also a reason for not a single real Azerbaijanian to step on board this plane! laughing
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 13 August 2013 09: 08
      +2
      No, Pogo has nothing to do with it, moreover, the KLA has nothing to do with the project (for now). The main one is Rosaviakonsorzium.
    3. Hort
      Hort 13 August 2013 10: 37
      0
      Poghosyan is out of business here.
      As for the cost, if they normally design and launch a series, at least to start with, 50 pieces per year, then no matter how much it costs. The main thing is to revive your HS in normal condition
    4. viruskvartirus
      viruskvartirus 13 August 2013 12: 12
      +2
      What is wrong with the superjet?
      1. Voskepar
        Voskepar 14 August 2013 01: 53
        -4
        Like what?
        For an Azerbaijani: the name of the curator of the project is PoghosYAN.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 14 August 2013 02: 06
          +5
          Quote: Voskepar
          For an Azerbaijani: the name of the curator of the project is PoghosYAN.


          not in this case smile but they bought a whole bunch of aircraft of the famous Armenian designer. who will fly to his historical homeland .... wassat
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 14 August 2013 02: 23
            +1
            Quote: smersh70
            that’s not the point :), but bought a whole bunch of planes of the famous Armenian designer. who will fly to his historical homeland .... wassat


            In my understanding, the famous Armenian designer is Mikoyan! For the rest, the time will come when the aircraft will be named by analogy - Mig, Pog ... or something else? Not "Super", "Eco", "Jet", "Frigate" in any way ....... Maybe I'm wrong?
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 14 August 2013 02: 37
              +3
              Sash Mikoyan is an era, like other designers and design bureaus, and all that we now see and witnesses to ......... this is not a Russian school, for me the most beautiful airliner is IL 62, IL 86.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 14 August 2013 02: 39
                +3
                Simple and without fancy, without any super, duper, ordinary ILs as we know them, we remember and love.
              2. studentmati
                studentmati 14 August 2013 02: 47
                0
                Quote: Alex 241
                Sash Mikoyan is an era, like other designers and design bureaus, and all that we now see and witnesses to ......... this is not a Russian school, for me the most beautiful airliner is IL 62, IL 86.


                I understand you, Sasha !!! drinks For me, Design Schools will always remain Great: Tu, Yak, Mi, Su, Il, Mig, Pe, Be, Ka, ... and of course M!
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 14 August 2013 02: 52
                  +2
                  Here is Sash balm for your soul. drinks http://www.airwar.ru/enc/spy/m55.html
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 14 August 2013 02: 53
                    0
                    ....................................
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 14 August 2013 02: 56
                      +1
                      Emblems of scientific missions of the aircraft drinks http://crimso.msk.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft29944.htm
                    2. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 14 August 2013 02: 57
                      +2
                      ..................................
                    3. studentmati
                      studentmati 14 August 2013 03: 01
                      0
                      The Four is really a heroine. Their predecessors perished, blessed memory of them.
                    4. studentmati
                      studentmati 14 August 2013 03: 03
                      0
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      Drinks scientific missions emblems


                      Ha ha ha The main scientific mission is the enemy’s balloon!
                    5. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 14 August 2013 03: 07
                      0
                      With shells "on the balls" drinks
                    6. studentmati
                      studentmati 14 August 2013 03: 15
                      0
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      With shells "on the balls"


                      The needle decides everything! ...... The topic "balloon" was closed in 1989-1991, after the need expired. And most likely due to the presence of a countermeasure (M-17, M-55), and due to the presence of the SR-71. Then there were versions associated with high aerodynamic quality, i.e. the ability to fly high and for a very long time.
                    7. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 14 August 2013 03: 18
                      0
                      Sasha, we had these buns flying in 89, the Chinese didn’t let you get bored laughing
                    8. studentmati
                      studentmati 14 August 2013 03: 22
                      0
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      Sasha, we had these buns flying in 89, the Chinese didn’t let you get bored


                      As I understand it, are you talking about balloons? And what is the effectiveness?
                    9. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 14 August 2013 03: 31
                      0
                      Sash meant balloons with equipment under balloons. Yes, no Sash, though when they were on the DB, the gun kit on the cannons stood on the balls.
                    10. studentmati
                      studentmati 14 August 2013 03: 35
                      +1
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      .Yes no Sasha


                      For this reason, they started with the M-17, continued the M-55!
                    11. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 14 August 2013 03: 37
                      0
                      Sasha and the technology of the adversaries advanced, so this decision has matured.
                    12. studentmati
                      studentmati 14 August 2013 03: 44
                      0
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      Sasha and the technology of the adversaries advanced, so this decision has matured.


                      The decision is ripe very late. The adversary technique advanced much earlier. And we have what we have ...

                      And we have a beauty !!!
  • studentmati
    studentmati 14 August 2013 02: 58
    +2
    Thank you friend! I would like to wish this car the longest life !!!!! Today it is the only flying memory of the Great Designer Vladimir Mikhailovich!
    I am sure that it is not extreme and especially not the last!
    What do you think, Sash?
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 14 August 2013 03: 01
      +2
      I'm sure Sash
    2. studentmati
      studentmati 14 August 2013 03: 05
      0
      Quote: Alex 241
      I'm sure Sash



      I offer for the connection of generations !!! drinks
  • Hort
    Hort 14 August 2013 07: 52
    0
    I don’t know, “Frigate” is a nice name. Remove "Eco Jet" only :)
  • Yashka Gorobets
    Yashka Gorobets 13 August 2013 09: 02
    +1
    I read about this airplane about two years ago. I hope that during this time it is not only in the form of a project.
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 13 August 2013 09: 39
    +3
    I wanted to write the same thing, and here’s what I thought again, all these names are being introduced for the sole purpose of deleting from the aircraft industry everything connected with Russia, and even more so with the Soviet Union. To teach our citizens that all the good that can be built in Russia has Western Anglo-Saxon roots. Continuation of humiliation of all of ours and exaltation of the western
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 13 August 2013 10: 24
      +3
      Rather, this name is understandable to Western customers. From the principle "all for export and for export" and the name. And KB, as brands really did not remain, so they cannot be called by the name Tu, for example.
  • AK-47
    AK-47 13 August 2013 10: 15
    -1
    Quote: Rus_87
    What Ilami, Tupolev can not be called

    It’s impossible, they’re somehow sideways, but the Poghosans (Po, Pog, Pgsn) are interfering with something. sad
    1. zzaharr
      zzaharr 13 August 2013 16: 27
      0
      Explain lucidly the connection between Poghosyan and Ecojet, please
  • zzaharr
    zzaharr 13 August 2013 16: 24
    0
    Is there a desire to fly on "Kerimov Suleiman Abusaidovich-jet"? ;) It seems that this is the name of the owner of this office ...
  • 0255
    0255 13 August 2013 22: 42
    0
    the main thing is that other promising projects are not cut off for the sake of this frigate

    hopefully the Frigate Ecojet will not be ruined for the sake of Sukhoi Superjet
  • Horde
    Horde 13 August 2013 07: 56
    +2
    Yes, now all around our JETS want to be more English, the pin_dos themselves are one word common to all people, however, what to take from the super-duper, as VAF says if we don’t have anything there, military planes, helicopters are just dull American.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 13 August 2013 09: 10
      +9
      But after all, in Dreamliner half of the equipment is from Europe, the tail is from Japan entirely, the titanium units are generally from Russia! Have America also forgotten how to build airplanes? Or is there Poghosyan taxis?

      Today it is impossible to create a national plane, it will be a hodgepodge from around the world, or unprofitable, which no one will buy or certify.
    2. avt
      avt 13 August 2013 09: 46
      +1
      Quote: Horde
      now all around our JETS want to be more English, the pin_dosov themselves are one word common to all people,

      And converts are always holier than the priest of Rome.
  • Zerstorer
    Zerstorer 13 August 2013 08: 00
    +4
    Allow some constructive criticism. With this layout of the cabin, there are likely to be problems with the evacuation of passengers. And this is a requirement of aviation rules that must be followed when designing civilian equipment. The elliptical section allows to reduce the area of ​​the surface being washed, but at the same time the midship area increases, which significantly increases the resistance.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 13 August 2013 09: 13
      +5
      There the main trouble is a gap in the corps at the echelon. Roughly speaking, when the desired pressure is pumped at a height, a conventional casing tolerates the load well, distributing it. The oval body will tend to twist, that is, it will tear it apart. If they can solve this problem, without power beams in the cabin and torn sides on the echelon, then this will be a new word in Aviation - it is quite possible that Eco-sales will overtake A-320. Especially in Europe, where there are short distances, and there are many people on flights.
      1. AK-47
        AK-47 13 August 2013 10: 08
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        Oval body will tend to round

        Therefore, to give the structure additional rigidity, the floor of the passenger cabin is used as an element of the structural power scheme.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 13 August 2013 10: 49
          +2
          Yes, that’s the point! A classic cut is close to a circle or elongated horizontally. The floor is used as a power screed (tensile load on the screed), preventing the body from curving.

          Here the incision is elongated horizontally, the floor in the form of a power screed will no longer be so effective (compression load plus large levers - at the slightest deflection, the load will grow significantly and there will be a risk of folding). Vertical power elements will be most effective, but they will also interfere in the cabin. Or, you have to strengthen the horizontal elements and the case itself. In general, the task is very difficult and any miscalculation here will be fraught with disasters and flight bans.
          1. White
            White 13 August 2013 11: 10
            0
            By the way, for the A380, it seems like a similar layout was considered, but it was abandoned. Who knows the arguments of the Bus.
      2. viruskvartirus
        viruskvartirus 13 August 2013 16: 06
        0
        The problem of load distribution in massive arched structures is solved by the use of metal structures of their tetrahydra.
      3. zzaharr
        zzaharr 13 August 2013 16: 38
        0
        Don't write nonsense. This is not a 40 atmospheres gas cylinder. The difference in pressure at the level of 10000m is only 0.74 atm (and even less). When the "Comets" burst, yes, it was a problem, and now there are a lot of "non-circular" blue lights, starting from B747 and ending with A380.
  • pinecone
    pinecone 13 August 2013 08: 18
    +2
    At present, JSC FPG Rosaviakonsorcium is one of the first companies in our country that specializes in project management in the field of aviation industry and civil aviation.

    The Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI) is working on new technologies for the Frigate Ecojet aircraft, which has an oval body.

    Project management is certainly cool, but what kind of design bureau will be engaged in the design of the machine remains unclear.
    1. 0255
      0255 13 August 2013 22: 45
      0
      if Poghosyan takes care of it, then he will go into operation stopudovo)))
  • makst83
    makst83 13 August 2013 10: 49
    10
    0This is great, but what "Pratt & Whitney, Rolls-Royce" can be !? We, in Perm, produce excellent PS-90A and its modifications! why depend on the supply of components !? We have built a super-jet and that, western avionics, while it is not forbidden to dig into it, call our specialists! Production should be ours, 100% and not otherwise!
    1. zzaharr
      zzaharr 13 August 2013 19: 40
      -1
      So who's stopping? Finally, finish your analogue PW1000G - PD14, and the people will stand in line with you.
      PS-90 engine is certainly good, but it is too old.
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 13 August 2013 11: 37
    +4
    As far as I understand, the determining factor in the choice of design will be economics, not ergonomic delights. Engines should be economical and low noise, spacious salons, the aircraft itself reliable and fit into the ICAO requirements. The task is not easy, to create this aircraft on Russian components, but feasible, and, I think, very politically correct. And one more thing: the name must be beautiful. Not necessarily English, but easily and pleasantly pronounced in the main languages.
  • Conepatus
    Conepatus 13 August 2013 11: 42
    +6
    In 1988, the USSR sent to an exhibition, either in Germany, or France, a new miracle of the Soviet automobile industry, MAZ "Perestroika". The West was stunned when he saw this truck, they did not have such a thing.
    And what is the bottom line? MAZ was and remains a concept, and Western manufacturers of mainline trucks began to build them according to a modular principle. As the saying goes, "Thanks for the idea, then we are on our own."
    As with this project, a similar story did not happen.
  • Sirs
    Sirs 13 August 2013 11: 51
    +1
    Soon we’ll fly in flat plates.
  • Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 13 August 2013 12: 34
    +2
    Quote: vladsolo56
    To teach our citizens that all the good that can be built in Russia has Western Anglo-Saxon roots.


    To the point!
  • nod739
    nod739 13 August 2013 13: 38
    +1
    let it be called Frigate Ecojet Linkoraerospace ... or something like that, if only it would be nice for foreigners to hear how to look at a magpie for forty
    Well, for the domestic market, you can name one and another, and even ... and even tuilyak ...
    after all, there are many examples when for myself it is a Muscovite-407 (if I am not mistaken) and if for the Indians it is an "ambassador"
    so let it be the same with airplanes, they are waiting for them. and we Tu-454 (for example)
  • Avenger
    Avenger 13 August 2013 15: 25
    +1
    Quote: hort
    The plane was wonderful, I will never forget my children's flight on it from Moscow to Odessa :)

    I declare with full responsibility: this plane has NEVER been in Odessa !!! The heaviest plane that landed in Odessa - An-124, but it was not allowed on the platform, it stood at the end of the runway, at night, when there were no flights, it was loaded with "elk" aircraft repaired at an aircraft repair plant. I flew away in the morning. It happened only a couple of times. Another heavy aircraft that landed at the Odessa airport is the A-330. There was only one time, the boarding was emergency - one of the passengers felt bad - urgent hospitalization was required. All! There were no other heavy aircraft, except for the Il-76 and Boeing-767. This is how you can split 3,14Z-dong very easily.
  • sven27
    sven27 13 August 2013 15: 51
    +1
    I hope not Poghosyan and the diaspora will implement this project
    1. Nitup
      Nitup 13 August 2013 17: 20
      0
      And if Poghosyan, then what?
      1. sven27
        sven27 13 August 2013 17: 45
        0
        and here is what http://topwar.ru/31640-pochemu-hvost-pogosyana-vertit-ostalnoy-sobakoy.html
  • arnulla
    arnulla 13 August 2013 17: 01
    +1
    This plane was needed yesterday ... And today even more so.
  • Just Vasilich
    Just Vasilich 13 August 2013 18: 41
    0
    There is another point of view on this project and on people promoting it. Article titled Hello, I'm your "Granddaughter" was published in 2010 year.

    TsAGI Director General Boris Aleshin is not the first day in aviation and knows very well those who represent Frigate, which would be more appropriate to rename to Phoenix. Pepper is that the presentation of this airliner was made by the Federal State-owned PPG Rosaviakonsorcium OJSC - the successor of the eponymous financial-industrial group (then without the prefix OJSC), created in 1995 by the then president Boris Yeltsin. The task was then set on a large scale - optimization and acceleration of work to promote domestic aircraft in the Russian market, primarily the Tu-204 family of airliners. The foundation for this was laid solid: the first president of Russia issued a decree to the government to adopt a special state program to support the Rosavikonsorzium, providing for all kinds of tax breaks and other preferences.

    Rosaviakonsorzium was still unable to promote Tu-204 far - the program was a failure. But he soon gave birth to the management company of the same name, which quickly became the largest owner of Vnukovo Airlines (colloquially, "Granddaughter"). Under the control of the general director Tatevos Surinov (who was also the director general of Rosaviakonsorcium at that time) and his deputy Alexander Klimov, the "Granddaughter" did not live long - she was on the verge of bankruptcy and was taken over by the Sibir airline. And Surinov and Klimov flowed smoothly into the leadership of Siberia.

    The next “victory” was the bankruptcy of the Main Civil Aviation Communications Agency (GAVS GA), almost all of whose property was eventually transferred to the Federal Air Transport Agency. Almost immediately, the construction of shopping complexes started on the GABS lands ... Neither the Accounts Chamber, which found numerous violations in the actions of the “privatizers” of aviation, nor the Federal Property Management Agency could do anything then. In this story, the reputation of a distinguished person - Valentin Klimov, has suffered.

    In the middle of the 1990's, he headed the largest domestic design bureau in the field of civil aircraft development of the Tupolev ANTC. But due to the actions of his son Alexander, who became famous for such winged sayings as “The passenger is not a tomato - he will not go bad” or “I don’t feed them, I don’t sing, and I don’t drive much, but they buy and buy all the tickets,” the famous designer was practically out of work. But Surinov was not enough of all that he already had .... He promptly proved himself in a new field, becoming also the general director of the Russian Football Premier League. However, in 2004, the Prosecutor General's Office intervened in his career, having found crime during his career as the director general of Rosaviakonsorzium.

    Tatevos Surinov was accused of embezzlement of Thompson's air navigation equipment at Kazan International Airport. In February 2007, the Basmanny Court of Moscow sentenced Tatevos Surinov to 10 years and 7 months of imprisonment. Later, the Zamoskvoretsky court of Moscow extended this period to 12 years.
    1. Just Vasilich
      Just Vasilich 13 August 2013 18: 43
      +2
      Read more.
      And the names of Surinov and Klimov again appeared in print. In June, they appeared before the eyes of TsAGI Director General Boris Aleshin. And even the scandalous "Rosaviakonsortium" was not renamed. True, now instead of Tatevos Surinov, who continues to serve his term, the post of chairman of the board of directors of JSC FPG Rosaviakonsorcium is held by his son Roman. But the Klimovs are all in the same composition. And the youngest, known for his reverent attitude towards passengers, becomes no more and no less than the head of the Frigate EcoJet program. It is hard to believe that Boris Aleshin, who expressed his approval of the new venture of this company, simply forgot the long-standing scandalous history of the FIG. Yes, you can ask a rhetorical question: who is in our country without economic sin? But even so, who, if not Aleshin, who comes from the aviation industry, should know that the Rosaviakonsorzium has never stood close to any aircraft development? Not for that it was once created ...

      But following the meeting, the Rosaviakonsorcium releases a press release in which it cheerfully reports: “During the meeting, chaired by TsAGI Director General Boris Aleshin, it was decided to recommend the inclusion of this project in the UAC and Federal Target Program“ Development of Civil Aviation Engineering until 2030 year ”after additional research. ” In July, the Eco-Jet phantasmagoric procession continues: the project is already considering the UAC.

      But after all, Boris Alyoshin and the UAC managers are well aware of all the facts that exhaustively characterize the people who came to them for help in obtaining budget money. Do they seriously believe that the suddenly revived Rosaviakonsorzium is capable and in fact actually intends to at least try to create a new aircraft?

      Link: http://vlasti.net/news/96722
  • castle
    castle 13 August 2013 19: 37
    0
    Sukhoi Superjet 100 - sounds purely in Russian. This crap will never be brought to mind. How many years already boast of the aircraft MS-21, which may not take off. And now the Frigate Ecojet! Under such tales and under vodka, sleep on your health.
    1. zzaharr
      zzaharr 13 August 2013 20: 28
      0
      Quote: hrad
      MS-21, which may not take off.

      Yawning - oh, how many moaning I heard about the superjet five years ago ...
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 13 August 2013 21: 11
    0
    It was a thief, there is a thief and a thief will be, but it is necessary to live. Nature tends to create parasites, however, say, the bottom of the ships must be periodically cleaned so as not to lose speed.
  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 13 August 2013 22: 16
    0
    Yes! What the Russians have learned is to BREED on grandmas and Mow them!

    Especially when they are BUDGET !!! good
  • studentmati
    studentmati 13 August 2013 22: 50
    +3
    Until star designers, whose names were called planes and design bureaus, flare up in Russia, we’ll continue to weave tail and tail.

    And about money - so with a prudent owner and patriot, everything grows together much cheaper and stronger!

    As an example that came to mind:
    Money + Serdyukov =?
    Shoigu + money =?
  • studentmati
    studentmati 13 August 2013 23: 10
    0
    I would very much like that the mind of the Russian designer again and again presented surprises! drinks

    And so that Russian planes bear Russian names !!!
  • serioga
    serioga 14 August 2013 07: 53
    0
    Quote: zzaharr
    So who's stopping? Finally, finish your analogue PW1000G - PD14, and the people will stand in line with you.
    PS-90 engine is certainly good, but it is too old.

    It turns out new and better with childhood diseases?
  • zzaharr
    zzaharr 14 August 2013 10: 37
    0
    Quote: serioga
    It turns out new and better with childhood diseases?

    It turns out that there are no options. And the number of children's sores is on the conscience of the developer / manufacturer.
  • samolet il-76
    samolet il-76 12 December 2013 18: 28
    0
    Flat airplane!