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Russian-Armenian relations: Does Russia justify itself as an important and strategic ally of Armenia?

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On the territory of Armenia, near the city of Gyumri, the 102-I Russian military base is located, which is one of the most important objects of Russia's geopolitical presence in the South Caucasus, as well as one of the main components of Russian-Armenian relations. In addition, the tenure of the Russian military at the base in Armenia has been extended to 2044. Russian border guards together with their Armenian colleagues are guarding the borders of Armenia with Turkey and Iran. But on this the interaction of Russia and Armenia in the military field does not end: Armenia, to all the above, is still a member of the CSTO.

Once, I remember, Boris Gryzlov called Armenia the outpost of Russia in Transcaucasia. In principle, if you think about it, then it is. Armenia is currently the only strategic ally of Russia in the South Caucasus and one of the few countries where there is a Russian military presence. According to many Armenian politicians and military experts, the Russian military presence in Armenia is an essential element of Armenia’s national security.

It would seem that Russia and Armenia are allies, strategic partners bound by many agreements in the military field and, based on all this, Russia must take into account the geopolitical and strategic interests of its ally Armenia. But what really happens? But in fact, everything happens the opposite. Specifically, what happens is that the main opponent of Armenia in the region, Azerbaijan, buys half of its weapons from the most important strategic partner of Armenia, Russia. If Azerbaijan bought only defensive weapons, then there could be, as they say now, understand and forgive. But the arms purchased in Azerbaijan by Russia are mostly offensive rather than defensive.

The list of purchased offensive weapons by Azerbaijan in Russia is very impressive. Contracts signed on the supply of Russian weapons to Azerbaijan are estimated at several billion dollars. Back in 2006, 62 were purchased from Russia tank T-72M1, which subsequently went through modernization thanks to the Israeli company Elbit Systems. Then purchased 2S7 self-propelled guns “Peony” in the amount of 12 units, BTR-80 and BTR-80A in a total of 70 units, 24 units of attack helicopters Mi-35M, up to 70 helicopters Mi-17-1V were ordered from the Kazan Helicopter Plant for the Air Force and GPS, 100 units of the Kornet ATGM, and Russia also granted Azerbaijan a license to manufacture up to 120 AK-000M assault rifles with a caliber of 74 mm.

All the previously purchased weapons have also been added with recent shipments of new offensive weapons from Russia to Azerbaijan. To be specific, between Azerbaijan and Russia a contract was signed for the purchase of X-NUMX tanks T-94C (there is also an option for 90 tank T-94С), 90 SAU units 182 Msta-S (there is also an option for so many Msta -C "), 19 units of the CAO 18С2" Vienna ", the same number of MLRS" Smerch "and 31 units of TOC-6А" Sunchip.

New models of military equipment purchased by Azerbaijan in Russia were demonstrated at the military parade 26 of June in honor of the 95 anniversary of the creation of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan. After all this, naturally, in the Armenian media, statements by various military experts and politicians began to appear that Russia betrayed Armenia, that Armenia needed to stay on course at NATO, in general, to completely sever relations with Russia and to terminate all military agreements. Although there were also such experts who argued that Armenia should not be worried that Russia delivers the same weapons to Armenia for a gift or at a reduced price. In reality, these are just loud statements for the domestic public, since practically nothing that has been sold to Azerbaijan by Russia in recent years at a reduced price, and even less so for nothing, has not been delivered to Armenia.

It is difficult to imagine that Turkey, as the most important and strategic ally of Azerbaijan, would supply the latest types of weapons to Armenia. Well, firstly, Turkey has its differences with Armenia, and secondly, it could provoke a break in relations between Azerbaijan and Turkey. Azerbaijan has its own independent foreign policy, its geopolitical interests in the region, and its stable economy. In turn, Armenia with its dependent economy, dependent political elite, is literally unable to do anything to prevent Russian arms supplies to Azerbaijan. Whenever it became known about any deliveries of arms to Armenia, Azerbaijan at the state level expressed its discontent with this. An example is the fact that recently it became known that the Armenian Armed Forces have in their armament the “Milan” anti-tank systems of Franco-German production. As it is known, these countries imposed an embargo on arms sales to Armenia and Azerbaijan in connection with the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. So the reaction of the Azerbaijani side was immediate: the embassies of these countries in Azerbaijan were asked to clarify the question of how these complexes got into Armenia, despite the embargo in connection with the supply of weapons to this region.

All the above written leads to the idea that there is no strategic alliance between Armenia and Russia, and if there is one, then it is very fragile. But this is just my subjective opinion. Yes, Russia is indeed the only guarantor of the security of the Republic of Armenia. But the very concept of strategic partnership does not fit into the Armenian-Russian relations. The Union of Armenia and Russia is a forced union. Russia, apart from Armenia, has no close and trusted partners in the Transcaucasian region. In turn, apart from Russia, Armenia does not have such a close other country that could protect, help ensure the security of the country and support Armenia economically. The unresolved conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh more and more affects the development of the Armenian economy, its backwardness in the arms race. Azerbaijan’s revenues are increasing year by year, the military budget of Azerbaijan will be increased to $ 2015 billion already by 5, purchases of modern military equipment will increase, and the Azerbaijani authorities do not hide this. Naturally, the countries-exporters of military equipment, including Russia, are interested in Azerbaijan, as a country procuring not a small number of weapons, to buy from them. Incidentally, the Secretary General of the Collective Security Treaty Organization Nikolay Bordyuzha paid attention to this, who was on a recent visit to Armenia, where he was asked one of the journalists about the latest arms supplies from Russia to Azerbaijan. Then Nikolai Bordyuzha told the journalist that the supply of Russian weapons to Azerbaijan is related to the financial gain that Russia receives by selling weapons to Azerbaijan. This statement by Nikolai Bordyuzha caused even greater indignation in Armenia, since, in the opinion of the majority of Armenian experts, Russia replaced the strategic partnership with Armenia with lucrative defense deals with Azerbaijan. There have been opinions that supplying weapon Azerbaijan, thereby, Russia is even more consolidating its presence in Armenia. But whatever opinions may sound, whatever accusations towards Russia, and how strong Armenia’s desire to change its pro-Russian course to pro-Western was not, of course, the strategic and military alliance of Armenia and Russia will not collapse. Russia continues to strengthen its position in the region and in particular in Armenia, the agreement on the presence of the Russian military in Armenia until 2044, is still in force.
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  1. domokl
    domokl 13 August 2013 06: 30 New
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    The security, and the very existence of Armenia as an independent state, in many respects depends on the position of Russia. The author’s emotionality is understandable, we are only friends, but arms are not supplied to provoke a war. Business and funds for the development of our own defense industry.
    Russia is solving the problems of the Armenians with its supplies. A small and not rich state can exist only surrounded by friendly countries. And since Baku and Yerevan cannot directly make peace, Moscow reconciles through Kremlin offices.
  2. experienced
    experienced 13 August 2013 15: 18 New
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    Well, it turns out that Russia, even before the Armenians, must report to whom it is to sell weapons belay As it already got enough ... "Is Russia justifying itself ..." those who are guilty or those who should be justified. Russia owes nothing to Armenia, and we have nothing to blame before the Armenians.
    Armenia recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia? Let them make excuses, but how to get weapons and gas and oil for free they are allies, and when we sell weapons, we must make excuses am
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 August 2013 16: 06 New
      +9
      Quote: seasoned
      Armenia recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

      No, I didn’t recognize it and, moreover, I began to drive tricks with the EU and NATO. Putin’s answer to my views is here .....Putin will sail to Baku on one of the ships of the Caspian flotilla
      The President of Russia will visit Azerbaijan on a one-day visit. In Baku, he will hold talks with his colleague Ilham Aliyev
      http://news.mail.ru/inworld/azerbaijan/politics/14304032/
      In my opinion, there is a clear signal from Armenia about going beyond the framework and at the same time for Azerbaijan, who is who in the region.
      1. P-15
        P-15 13 August 2013 17: 02 New
        +8
        Ships arrived yesterday, and Putin today
      2. alone
        alone 13 August 2013 17: 02 New
        +6
        Hello. The ships arrived yesterday, and Putin today. Regards
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 13 August 2013 17: 30 New
          +3
          Minister of Defense Industry of Azerbaijan Yaver Jamalov on Tuesday met with a delegation led by Director General of the Tactical Missile Armaments Corporation Boris Obnosov, the press service of the Ministry of Defense Industry said.

          According to the report, Jamalov informed the delegation about the activities of the ministry.

          The meeting discussed the prospects for cooperation in the defense industry between countries and other issues of interest.

          At the end of the meeting, the head of the delegation thanked the Minister of Defense Industry of Azerbaijan for the warm and sincere welcome.
    2. gene
      gene 13 August 2013 17: 01 New
      -3
      You don’t know anything about yourself, and then you’re climbing to conclusions. You sell weapons to our enemies, and you and I are in the Collective Security Treaty Organization. Think about it.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 13 August 2013 17: 23 New
        +9
        Quote: Gene
        You sell weapons to our enemies

        "Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer" (C)
        And the Azerbaijanis of Russia are not enemies.
        Our base is in Armenia.
        And what else does the Armenians need, who will rock it?
        Azerbaijanis do not look like idiots who will fight with Russia.
        And if it rockets, then everything will be "as last time".
        1. alone
          alone 13 August 2013 17: 32 New
          +1
          we do not need the territories of Armenia. think right
      2. Tambov we ...
        Tambov we ... 13 August 2013 20: 58 New
        +1
        Why get so excited? Our country is free to sell weapons, as it is beneficial to it. And your enemies will not dare to disturb you, because Russia is like a wall for you.
    3. xtur
      xtur 15 August 2013 15: 57 New
      +1
      the author of the article does not have an Armenian surname at all.

      > Russia Armenia does not owe anything, and we really have nothing to blame before the Armenians.

      So you proved that the author of the article posed the question correctly, since strategic alliance relationship is a relationship of mutual responsibilities.

      the question in the article is right - it’s hard to call strategic and allied relations. But in Armenia, that power, which Russia has always supported, and which always does not agree with the will of the people outlined in the elections.

      > Armenia recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

      Armenia did not recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia and did the right thing - the only road to Armenia passes through Georgia. Will you feed the Armenian children if the Georgians block this road, as they did many times, and the country will be left without gas, gas, without food?

      There are probably more Russian property in Armenia than it belongs to the Armenian state.

      And in Abkhazia, the Armenian population was as much as the Abkhaz themselves, now they have expelled most of them
  3. klimpopov
    klimpopov 13 August 2013 15: 20 New
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    And let Russia as an ally leave Armenia and then see who justifies and who does not?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 August 2013 16: 07 New
      12
      Quote: klimpopov
      And let Russia as an ally leave Armenia

      Then there will be a big Azerbaijan
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 13 August 2013 16: 11 New
        +5
        Not only, there will be a little more Azerbaijan and a little more Turkey. And there will be no one to look profitable or not ...
      2. bomg.77
        bomg.77 13 August 2013 23: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Then there will be a big Azerbaijan
        Rather, the big Nagorno-Karabakh, judging by the latest conflict! laughing
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    3. Gari
      Gari 13 August 2013 16: 40 New
      -2
      Quote: klimpopov
      And let Russia as an ally leave Armenia and then see who justifies and who does not?

      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 13 August 2013 16: 44 New
        +3
        Too shy to ask ... And?
        In general, 12345 is right ...
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 August 2013 16: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: Gari
        Gari

        So what do we get our base and border guards?
        1. Gari
          Gari 13 August 2013 17: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          So what do we get our base and border guards?

          It’s not up to you or us to decide on this site,
          The base operation agreement was concluded for a period of 25 years, and was extended
          for another 49 years until 2044
          during the visit of the President of the Russian Federation D.A. Medvedev to Armenia in 2010. As Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov explained, the questions that the Russian military will be responsible for concern the territory of Armenia, that is, in the event of any external threat to Armenia, this will be considered as an external threat to Russia.
          The base is located in the city of Gyumri (Armenia), 126 kilometers north of the capital of the republic - the city of Yerevan.
          Next to military base 102 is the 8th town quarter. Families of military personnel live in the quarter - about 2 Russians and 500 Armenians.
          1. P-15
            P-15 13 August 2013 17: 12 New
            +4
            Based on the fact that all occupied territories are Azerbaijani and in case of resumption of actions on their territories, the CSTO cannot be involved in any way.
            since there is no direct threat to Armenia and especially Russia.
          2. Airman
            Airman 13 August 2013 20: 04 New
            +5
            Quote: Gari
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            So what do we get our base and border guards?

            It’s not up to you or us to decide on this site,
            The base operation agreement was concluded for a period of 25 years, and was extended
            for another 49 years until 2044
            during the visit of the President of the Russian Federation D.A. Medvedev to Armenia in 2010. As Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov explained, the questions that the Russian military will be responsible for concern the territory of Armenia, that is, in the event of any external threat to Armenia, this will be considered as an external threat to Russia.
            The base is located in the city of Gyumri (Armenia), 126 kilometers north of the capital of the republic - the city of Yerevan.
            Next to military base 102 is the 8th town quarter. Families of military personnel live in the quarter - about 2 Russians and 500 Armenians.

            I served in this 102 base from 1989 to 1995, although then it was called the N division of the 8th Army. After the dispersal, I repeat, the dispersal of the 8th Army, it began to be called base 102, and was commanded by Major General Babkin (now deceased), brother of Nadezhda Babkina. I follow this base and see that its numerical and qualitative composition has decreased, in the pictures 2012 the old anti-aircraft missile regiment "KUB" remained.
            1. alone
              alone 13 August 2013 22: 16 New
              +4
              Vyacheslav, the 7th army was in Armenia, not the 8th
      3. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 13 August 2013 18: 03 New
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        The comrade (unfortunately I do not know who he is) has somewhat inaccurate data on the composition of the base. So, there were no military personnel of Armenian nationality in the database at that time (in the frame June 17.06.2011, 08.08.08), after 29 all Armenians and Georgians were transferred or fired ( the reason was not announced) there are only civilian experts from the local ones. In the border troops, yes, there are personnel of the rank and file and sergeant from the local ones. Several Mig-29s are Mig-XNUMX squadrons (who are interested can look for exactly how many, I don’t want to spread, you never know why))) Further, the comrade wanted to say something about the offensive base, and so in my opinion this is quite problematic, since supplying the base is possible only by air over the territory of the same Turkey (he himself flew from a business trip not so long ago) or Georgia and in Armenia it’s bad with airfields, where do you order to place the aviation component? And, finally, the most important question is Armenia is dissatisfied with the actions of Russia, but at the same time it is muddying with the EU - what does Armenia want?
      4. Constantine
        Constantine 13 August 2013 18: 13 New
        +4
        2 gari

        Well, I agree with the speaker. One more base is needed, and well-equipped our units should be located in Armenia. The second base, in my opinion, is needed under the Air Force + Air Defense. Interceptors + frontline aviation. With such a set, those wishing to fight in this direction will sharply decrease. smile

        Those. one purely motorized rifle, and the second air defense + air force. So, in my opinion, it will be just right)
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 13 August 2013 18: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: Constantine
          Those. one purely motorized rifle, and the second air defense + air force. So, in my opinion, it will be just right)

          Pay for the content, these bases you will be out of your pocket?
          If not, I personally disagree.
          There was a competent post on this topic (for look in the thread).
          Let experts in defense subjects rule this issue.
          1. Constantine
            Constantine 13 August 2013 19: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: ATATA
            Pay for the content, these bases you will be out of your pocket?
            If not, I personally disagree.
            There was a competent post on this topic (for look in the thread).
            Let experts in defense subjects rule this issue.


            Pay "for" the content, and "search" is written together. From such gross mistakes, everything turns upside down inside. Don't get me wrong, you have to respect your language, and there is only one way to respect it. hi

            Now for the questions. The maintenance of the bases is, first and foremost, ensuring our interests in the region and protecting our borders. Protecting your territory at the approaches, as well as the lives of your citizens, as well as instilling into your warlike neighbors such as Turkey, with its imperial ambitions, the idea that you can rake it very, very not weakly, is worth maintaining this base. It is quite possibly even more important than any base on distant shores. It is directly related to the protection of its territory and its citizens, and not to the spread of influence in other regions. Ensuring the protection of its borders, in my opinion, has the highest priority. hi

            The fact that you personally do not agree is your right, as well as my right to consider otherwise.

            Let experts in defense subjects rule this issue.


            Here we discuss various issues among ourselves, put forward ideas, etc. This is the normal course of work of the community of people of interest. Certainly, experts are engaged in this issue and they will advise the president to take this or that decision on this issue. Here, we only share thoughts and opinions. It should be simpler, as it were. wink
            1. tupolev-95
              tupolev-95 13 August 2013 19: 39 New
              +2
              "Wrong" is also spelled together, but about "The second base, in my opinion, is needed under the Air Force + Air Defense. Interceptors + front-line aviation." I already wrote, I will have to build airfields (who will do this?) the corruption component, today kerosene for flights costs us exorbitantly) and Russia does not have common borders with Armenia, which, well, makes it sooooo complicated.
        2. Armata
          Armata 13 August 2013 20: 48 New
          +2
          Why is there such a zeal to defend a stranger’s people if, what, you’ll go to war or send your sons?
          1. Constantine
            Constantine 13 August 2013 22: 00 New
            -5
            Quote: Armata
            Why is there such a zeal to defend a stranger’s people if, what, you’ll go to war or send your sons?


            I described what and why. If you didn’t want to see the answer to your question there, then this is exclusively your problem hi
        3. Airman
          Airman 13 August 2013 21: 06 New
          0
          Quote: Constantine
          2 gari

          Well, I agree with the speaker. One more base is needed, and well-equipped our units should be located in Armenia. The second base, in my opinion, is needed under the Air Force + Air Defense. Interceptors + frontline aviation. With such a set, those wishing to fight in this direction will sharply decrease. smile

          Those. one purely motorized rifle, and the second air defense + air force. So, in my opinion, it will be just right)

          And you look carefully at the composition of the RF Armed Forces in Armenia. There are MiG-29 and S-300.
  4. Constantine
    Constantine 13 August 2013 15: 22 New
    +7
    Quote: seasoned
    Well, it turns out that Russia still has to report to the Armenians to whom the weapons are to be sold. Russia owes nothing to Armenia, and we have nothing to blame before the Armenians.
    Armenia recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia? Let them make excuses, but how to get weapons and gas and oil for free they are allies, and when we sell weapons, we must make excuses


    In fact, the article is most likely custom because Now there is an active pumping of specific information by Armenians in order to somehow justify the idiocy and shortsightedness of the Armenian authorities in the case of association with the EU. smile
    1. Gari
      Gari 13 August 2013 17: 09 New
      -7
      Quote: Constantine
      In fact, the article is most likely customized t.

      09/08/2013
      Baku - Azerbaijan and Turkey have begun to form a unified army, deputy of the Milli Majlis (parliament) of Azerbaijan, member of the parliamentary committee on security and defense Zahid Oruj told Trend on Monday.

      “The joint exercises conducted by the military units of Azerbaijan and Turkey prove that both states form a common view on regional and security issues, and, along with the economic, political and diplomatic foundations of these relations, the most important component is created - the military,” Oruj emphasized.

      The formula for cooperation should not be restored in the form of “One nation, two states,” but in the context of “One nation, one army,” the deputy said.
      1. alone
        alone 13 August 2013 22: 20 New
        +4
        Gary, the deputy can say anything! If suddenly some deputy speaks to the media and says that Russia is starting to bomb America, this does not mean that Putin will immediately press the buttons. Such issues are not resolved at the deputies' levels.
        1. Gari
          Gari 13 August 2013 23: 06 New
          -2
          Quote: lonely
          Gary, the MP can say anything! E

          I agree, then why are you a little bit that you bring the comments of our same deputies, political scientists, and which sites that I see only you read.
          Although it is hard to believe that you could easily say so without permission from above
          1. alone
            alone 13 August 2013 23: 09 New
            +4
            we ourselves know this deputy better than anyone. He is a lover of such statements. His one statement has not yet been confirmed by action.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 August 2013 17: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: Constantine

      In fact, the article is most likely custom because

      The article belongs to one of the local users!
      If I am not mistaken under the nickname Rumi!
      He rarely writes, but always read his comments with interest!
      Recently, I stumbled upon his website, telling about our army!
      He knows the military theme very well!
      Written competently and as a point of view!
      I personally share it!
      1. Constantine
        Constantine 13 August 2013 18: 03 New
        +5
        Quote: Yarbay
        I personally share it!


        It’s your right, but you must admit that, against the background of the current round of relations between Armenia and Europe, such articles may not look exactly as the author suggests. hi
  5. experienced
    experienced 13 August 2013 15: 24 New
    +4
    Quote: klimpopov
    And let Russia as an ally leave Armenia and then see who justifies and who does not?

    Bugaga, but I did not know that Klim was so cruel wassat
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 August 2013 16: 08 New
      +7
      Quote: seasoned
      Bugaga, but I did not know that Klim was so cruel

      Klim is good, it’s the Armenian president who is arrogant.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 14 August 2013 01: 49 New
        -3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Klim is good, this is the president of Armenia conceited
        But so far I have not betrayed anyone, and I have not heard of such intentions. And Russia is already making such advances, sold weapons to Az-well, and this is a concrete betrayal. And now it is trying to make Armenia to blame for everything. Armenia has always been there is a reliable ally and change it to a corrupt az-en
        (Gabala, approx. militants from Chechnya, etc.) will be a mistake.
  6. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 August 2013 15: 24 New
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    supplying arms to Azerbaijan, thereby Russia further strengthens its presence in Armenia I think the main point is this. Azerbaijan would buy weapons anyway (let it be better from us ..) And all these cries of "betrayal" are just a noise curtain.
    1. Armata
      Armata 13 August 2013 20: 55 New
      +3
      The Armenian authorities deliberately staged a hysteria in the spirit of "We are so white and fluffy, and we were betrayed" in order to justify their growing cooperation with the EU and NATO.
    2. Airman
      Airman 13 August 2013 20: 58 New
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      supplying arms to Azerbaijan, thereby Russia further strengthens its presence in Armenia I think the main point is this. Azerbaijan would buy weapons anyway (let it be better from us ..) And all these cries of "betrayal" are just a noise curtain.

      Aren't you afraid that this weapon will somehow hit OUR MILITARY SERVICE OF OUR 102 base? I'm afraid. And who then will justify the loss of OUR SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS from OUR WEAPONS?
      1. alone
        alone 13 August 2013 23: 12 New
        +4
        Do you think Russian authorities are selling weapons to the country without considering the consequences. you’re evaluating your government very poorly. how do you think. would you sell us so much weapons (a few more orders are coming) if Russia felt a threat to national security?
  7. Kashchei
    Kashchei 13 August 2013 15: 29 New
    12
    All the indignation of the Armenians is drowned in one key phrase: "...... except for Russia, Armenia does not have such a close other country that could protect, help ensure the country's security and support Armenia economically." Reality, albeit unpleasant for Armenia Well, Azerbaijan will not trample on its older brother
  8. klimpopov
    klimpopov 13 August 2013 15: 41 New
    +7
    Quote: seasoned
    Quote: klimpopov
    And let Russia as an ally leave Armenia and then see who justifies and who does not?

    Bugaga, but I did not know that Klim was so cruel wassat

    Reality is forcing. And so I'm cute and fluffy. It seems to me that someone is washing the brains of the Armenians, and is preparing another byak in the Caucasus.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 August 2013 16: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: klimpopov
      And so I'm cute and fluffy.

      AU girls, there’s an advertisement like wassat
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 13 August 2013 16: 12 New
        +4
        Come on, come on. Advertising laughing . Advertised along the way laughing
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 13 August 2013 16: 23 New
          +6
          Quote: klimpopov
          Advertised along the way
          belay ....
          Land hi ! so what? Quite at the mercy of the winner surrendered bully ?
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 13 August 2013 16: 28 New
            +4
            Land, hi! so what? Quite at the mercy of the winner surrendered bully?

            Well, just advertising at one point did its job, now the shop is covered laughing
            My regards hi
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 13 August 2013 16: 52 New
              +3
              Quote: klimpopov
              now the shop is covered

              Girls hang up, false alarm laughing
  9. 12345
    12345 13 August 2013 15: 43 New
    +8
    Another bearded joke.

    An old Jew is dying. All relatives, with reverence and sorrow, gathered around the bed of the dying man. Everyone understands that the denouement is very close.

    Suddenly, the dying man moved his lips. Everyone bent over to him in order to make out his last will:

    - Take care ... of the Armenians ... take care ... of the Armenians ...
    - Excuse me, Dad, but you are already raving! Who are these Armenians to us? And why do we need to protect them?
    - Take care ... of the Armenians ... They will sort it out ... with them ... for us ... they will ...
  10. Manager
    Manager 13 August 2013 15: 44 New
    +3
    Armenia is turning into Georgia version 2.0 It seems to me that I need to put it in its place right now. Political leverage naturally.
    1. gene
      gene 13 August 2013 16: 56 New
      -7
      when it seems, you need to be baptized. But if you can post-try
      1. Manager
        Manager 13 August 2013 17: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Gene
        when it seems, you need to be baptized.

        Don’t worry about me. And my opinion coincides with everyone in Russia. Well, except for the Armenians naturally. But no one asks their opinions on this issue. SO dont worry be happy my young Armenian friend.
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          1. Manager
            Manager 13 August 2013 17: 12 New
            +3
            Quote: Gene
            what kind of friend are you to me, such friends for one place and to the museum

            As you say, my young Armenian museum worker.
  11. sven27
    sven27 13 August 2013 15: 47 New
    +6
    Frankly tired of the constant Armenian cries about and without him, it seems that we constantly owe them something ...
    1. gene
      gene 13 August 2013 16: 55 New
      -5
      Ragimov’s article, not Armenian
  12. Enjoy
    Enjoy 13 August 2013 15: 50 New
    11
    Everything is simple. Russia will not sell weapons to Azerbaijan - it will sell to the USA. And he will surely try to make this weapon fire, as in Georgia.

    Paradoxically, arming Azerbaijan with its equipment, Russia maintains a fragile peace in the region. Well, a little welded.
  13. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 13 August 2013 15: 53 New
    10
    Strange, to say the least, flirting of Armenia with the West looks stronger.
  14. ando_bor
    ando_bor 13 August 2013 15: 55 New
    +2
    Information comes from various sources - a large order has been received for Russian-Armenian relations.
    From the forum of soldiers' mothers: And the Armenians treat the soldiers well, they say that grown women call them nothing but "sonny", and they look at everything very critical.
    1. Armata
      Armata 13 August 2013 20: 59 New
      +1
      Yeah, of course, they love Russians there so much that they ... they kill Russian officers in the middle of the day!
      1. Constantine
        Constantine 14 August 2013 00: 16 New
        -1
        Quote: Armata
        Yeah, of course, they love Russians there so much that they ... they kill Russian officers in the middle of the day!


        Proofs in the studio fellow
  15. Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 13 August 2013 15: 56 New
    +4
    Quote: 12345
    Another bearded joke.

    An old Jew is dying. All relatives, with reverence and sorrow, gathered around the bed of the dying man. Everyone understands that the denouement is very close.

    Suddenly, the dying man moved his lips. Everyone bent over to him in order to make out his last will:

    - Take care ... of the Armenians ... take care ... of the Armenians ...
    - Excuse me, Dad, but you are already raving! Who are these Armenians to us? And why do we need to protect them?
    - Take care ... of the Armenians ... They will sort it out ... with them ... for us ... they will ...


    .... laughing laughing laughing oh pleased, digital, cool and the theme .......
  16. smersh70
    smersh70 13 August 2013 16: 02 New
    +1
    By the way, today the Armenian media gave information that the war will begin on November 7, 2013 ..... and Sargsyan agreed to this quick war, in which Azerbaijan will return 7 occupied regions ...... and today Putin will discuss this issue upon arrival in Baku ... smile
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 August 2013 16: 11 New
      +6
      Quote: smersh70
      Today, the Armenian media gave information that the war will begin on November 7, 2013 ...

      Like November 7th belay that everything was stunned there, I have 7 holiday, 8 day off !!! In short, transfer to November 9th-EVERYTHING!
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 13 August 2013 16: 22 New
        +4
        And can you not touch November at all, my mother and grandfather’s birthday? Give a walk off normally! 7 do not touch either. May early December eh?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 August 2013 16: 54 New
          +4
          Quote: klimpopov
          May early December eh?

          Klim, and when is your preparation for the New Year? And then, now another new holiday, the end of the world 2 needs to be met, anniversary, after all laughing
          1. Manager
            Manager 13 August 2013 17: 02 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            and when is your preparation for the New Year?

            Generally decided! Moved to February 30!
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 13 August 2013 16: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: klimpopov
          May early December eh?



          as in the movie about 2 comrades --- Latvian arrows say - MI does not mind either fellow what a nafik offensive in late autumn, when in the mountains 2 meters of snow)) once in the winter of 1994 it already passed, our wise men-generals did it ... they ditched so much equipment, it still goes around .... angry
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay 13 August 2013 17: 35 New
          +5
          Quote: klimpopov
          And can you not touch November at all, my mother and grandfather’s birthday?

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Klim, and when is your preparation for the New Year?

          So the fashion to start a war on significant dates is not what we came up with)))))))))
          In November you have a holiday, in October with me, in December maybe at Sani !!))
          Now what do you propose to cancel the war at all)))
          By the way, in the double-breasted, no one is already fighting)))
        4. Airman
          Airman 13 August 2013 21: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: klimpopov
          And can you not touch November at all, my mother and grandfather’s birthday? Give a walk off normally! 7 do not touch either. May early December eh?

          It’s impossible at the beginning of December, I have winter fishing. Maybe at the end of February, after 23?
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 13 August 2013 16: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        In short, transfer to November 9th-EVERYTHING!



        laughing in short, Alexander, all questions to the media of Armenia .... laughing and to 2 Presidents)) they need to bring your opinion)))))))))))))
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 13 August 2013 17: 37 New
      +6
      Well, who will announce in advance the start date of the offensive? Everyone will know about this in the morning in the news of the news agency. And a special statement by the government.
      1. alone
        alone 13 August 2013 17: 43 New
        +4
        Today at the nth hour an orchestra of 42 tornadoes began to play))))))))))
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 13 August 2013 18: 00 New
        +5
        Quote: xetai9977
        Well, who will announce in advance the start date of the offensive? Everyone will know about this in the morning from an emergency report of news agencies. And a special statement by the government

        Well, it’s clear that this is not serious information, but I think it is thrown for a certain sensing of opinions!
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 13 August 2013 17: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: smersh70
      Sargsyan agreed to this quick war, in which Azerbaijan will return 7 occupied regions ..

      They apparently already don’t know what to do with them, to leave voluntarily means to bury their political future ...
  17. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 13 August 2013 16: 23 New
    +5
    The habit of the Armenian leadership to flirt with the West and get preferences from the MSCs will soon come to their side, Armenia is not Ossetia, our citizens are not there, and GDP will not be harnessed for them, the main thing for Azerbaijanis is that nothing happens by base 102, I think they won’t repeat the stupidity of Gruzlins Russia will not lose anything if Azerbaijanis take their lands back by force, but Armenians, on the contrary, will become much more loyal to Russia. Moscow in this version, as they say, can benefit from both sides, on the one hand for not interfering with the other for guaranteeing that Azerbaijanis will not go further than territories once occupied by Armenians.

    It’s time for us to learn how to benefit from the current situation and not to engage in charity to the detriment of our national interests.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 13 August 2013 16: 29 New
      +1
      As for the citizens of Russia, you are in vain ...
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      1. zart_arn
        zart_arn 13 August 2013 18: 19 New
        +3
        The problem is that its diaspora plays a huge role for the Armenian economy !!

        Azerbaijan has a similar situation - a good half of Azerbaijanis live and feed in Russia, while at the same time it contains those remaining in their homeland. So the thesis is that
        Russia is the only country on which it depends or not to be on the map
        treats him to the same extent, if not more.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 13 August 2013 18: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: zart_arn
          Azerbaijan has a similar situation - a good half of Azerbaijanis live and feed in Russia, while at the same time it contains those remaining in their homeland.

          a good half ??)))))
          So our population does not decrease, but increases)))
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 13 August 2013 18: 54 New
          -1
          Quote: zart_arn
          treats him to the same extent, if not more.

          Our economy is growing, and yours is getting worse !!
          Do you feel the difference ??
      2. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 13 August 2013 18: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: Yarbay
        the only salvation for Armenia is to officially form part of Russia

        Alibek hi With all due respect, but we will finally begin to ask if we need this ....... or is it easier and cheaper to shy ourselves and close the topic wassat
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 13 August 2013 18: 57 New
          +3
          We need it, we need it! We need to recreate the empire! We will create comfortable coexistence for ALL nations, we will dictate our conditions to the West!
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            1. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 13 August 2013 21: 18 New
              +3
              I don’t like my friend, your rhetoric, but for the point I’ll put bold +
      3. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 13 August 2013 20: 08 New
        +1
        I would gladly support such a decision of Ukraine, Belarus, but Armenia? No, thank you, we have enough ballast in the form of the North Caucasus Federal District. They are not creators, they are Torgashi, and Russia currently needs creators, producers, traders and so on.
        1. zart_arn
          zart_arn 14 August 2013 18: 41 New
          -3
          Traders are just to a greater extent AZERBAIJANS, moreover, not of the Christian faith. The site feels some unhealthy love for Allah wassat
          1. alone
            alone 15 August 2013 01: 15 New
            +2
            Allah and God are one and the same. Can you not love God?
      4. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 13 August 2013 20: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Yarbay
        the only salvation for Armenia is to officially form part of Russia

        If politicians worked for the people, it would be so. But everyone wants to be small but proud ... Bogdan Khmelnitsky could
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      6. Airman
        Airman 13 August 2013 21: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Yarbay
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        The habit of the Armenian leadership to flirt with the West

        The problem is that its diaspora plays a huge role for the Armenian economy !!


        Yes, the Diaspora is a great thing, led by Poghosyan, but for some reason, Armenia has refused Pogosyanovsky superjets.
  18. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 13 August 2013 16: 32 New
    +8
    Quote: klimpopov
    As for the citizens of Russia, you are in vain ...


    Do you mean Armenians with Russian passports?
    97,89% for 2001 Armenians in Armenia, currently Russians in Armenia is the smallest Russian diaspora in the CIS countries. Over the past 12 years, the situation has become even worse, there are practically no Russian people there. It prompts reflection on why this situation has developed.
    1. Armata
      Armata 13 August 2013 21: 17 New
      -2
      So the Russians were deliberately squeezed out, forcing to sell their apartments for nothing, who didn’t want to ... were cut out by whole families!
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 13 August 2013 21: 23 New
        +2
        This is what they did to the Russians in all the former republics of the USSR, look at the statue, the Russians were the key link (cement), occupied the technical specialties (highly qualified and managerial personnel), having removed them, a new elite began to form, it’s a shame not that we were driven, they killed us, but our the country did nothing to receive its citizens, but left it stupidly for slaughter.
        And on the territory of the Russian Federation they allowed to make genocide of the Russian population (Chechnya), who will be responsible for this?

        Minus
        1. Armata
          Armata 13 August 2013 22: 13 New
          +2
          I completely agree, plus.
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 14 August 2013 00: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: Armata
        slaughtered by whole families!

        If you are about Azerbaijan or you have been misled or you are crazy)
  19. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 13 August 2013 16: 47 New
    0
    Armenia is an unconditional ally of Russia. Unconditional!

    You should not escalate the situation regarding the sale of our weapons to Azerbaijan. I will explain (I will express my point of view) why we do this:
    As everyone probably already knows, an intervention war is going on in Syria. It is attacked by armed units of Islamist mercenaries in order to destroy the Syrian state and plunge it into chaos.
    However, in this chaos there will be islands of calm life and measured work: mainly around raw materials. These islands will be well guarded by US paramilitary private security companies. The rest of the former state will cut itself out.

    This is well understood in Azerbaijan and Russia. When the armed formations come to Azerbaijan, they will extinguish everyone in a row, regardless of their attitude towards Armenia, Russia or Allah, because their goal will be the destruction of the state itself.
    And then the Azerbaijani army will defend statehood.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 13 August 2013 17: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: Grishka100watt
      And then the Azerbaijani army will defend statehood.


      to protect statehood are not bad and BB together with the GHG ..... according to the Constitution of the army it is forbidden to get into internal affairs ...........
      1. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt 13 August 2013 17: 15 New
        +1
        What are the internal affairs?
        When, as in Syria, units of armed Islamists pass through the state. border is internal affairs? Have you carefully read my post?
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 13 August 2013 17: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: Grishka100watt
          When, as in Syria, units of armed Islamists pass through the state. border is internal affairs?

          And where did they come from to Azerbaijan?))))))))
          1. Grishka100watt
            Grishka100watt 13 August 2013 20: 05 New
            0
            Via Iran.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 13 August 2013 21: 48 New
              0
              Quote: Grishka100watt
              Via Iran.

              in Iran, it is impossible for even one Wahhabi to go there!
            2. alone
              alone 13 August 2013 22: 28 New
              +4
              how do you imagine the passage of Wahhabis through Iran, if every Wahhabi in Iran is hung on a truck crane without trial or investigation? Iran is a Shiite state, rather, Iran itself will smear this shusher on the asphalt without anyone else's help.
    2. alone
      alone 13 August 2013 17: 40 New
      +3
      Grisha. The militants have another option how to get to Russia. through Georgia. and believe me, nobody there will kill each other. there the principle will simply work as the enemy of my enemy)))
      1. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt 13 August 2013 20: 10 New
        +1
        And here Russia! Americans do not need any power in the republics. They create in the east through war a single blazing space without borders and national authorities. Here, Azerbaijan is for itself.
  20. gene
    gene 13 August 2013 16: 53 New
    -5
    There is no point in discussing Ragimov’s article, but such a message appears on the forum that if there are modern weapons, then all questions disappear, victory is ensured. It has been proven many times that this is not so, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. Anyone who relies on weapons is simply afraid to fight to the death. Neither money, nor weapons, nor anything else solves the issue separately. Once we won, it will be necessary to repeat again.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 13 August 2013 17: 06 New
      +4
      Oh, don’t be denied! Azerbaijan is stronger than ever (behind Turkey). I have a friend who is semi-Russian --- a semi-Azerbaijani serving in their army does not say much, but what he said to me is SERIOUS re-equipment of the army!
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 13 August 2013 17: 42 New
        +5
        Greetings, Denis! Long time no see you on the site! Yes, do not bother Gene. Let him live yesterday.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 13 August 2013 17: 49 New
          +4
          Greetings Rauf!
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 13 August 2013 17: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: Gene
      Once we won, it will be necessary to repeat again.


      Hitler also stood 41 in 10 km from Moscow ... Goebbels also said we won the war ....
      and now look at the warrior ... he was all lousy. 2 days were washed ...
      1. P-15
        P-15 13 August 2013 17: 18 New
        +4
        This is the one that ran on August 10 ??
        1. alone
          alone 13 August 2013 17: 20 New
          +5
          rightly
          1. P-15
            P-15 13 August 2013 17: 28 New
            +4
            Why is he so thin, poor fellow. belay Nothing, ours will feed him, wash him and the dude will go to some 3rd country.
      2. kNow
        kNow 13 August 2013 19: 01 New
        +4
        The guy has a visa abroad. This is a new type of migration from Armenia ...
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 14 August 2013 00: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: kNow
          This is a new type of migration from Armenia ...


          at the end of the ceasefire. the personnel of the 2 Armenian battalions entered into negotiations with a view to surrendering and sending them to Russia ....... because of one of our moron drunk, the deal fell through ... so this has been going on since then, before the Russian stamp was more attractive, and now the stamp of one small village called Schengen fellow
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 14 August 2013 00: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: smersh70
            at the end of the ceasefire. the personnel of 2 Armenian battalions entered into negotiations with a view to surrendering and sending them to Russia ....... because of one of our moron drunk, the deal fell through ..

            I also remember this story!
            and this has always been the case when 2 kilometers remained before Khankendi and when after the liberation of Horadiz they already fled from Zangelan !!
            There was always one * drunk *!
    3. alone
      alone 13 August 2013 17: 41 New
      +4
      Well, if you win, why are these hysterical cries about the betrayal of Russia?)))))))
    4. Rumi007
      13 August 2013 18: 01 New
      +6
      My article, and my name is Ramil Agaev, not Ragimov.
    5. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 13 August 2013 20: 14 New
      +2
      Do not compare Vietnam (ideology-external aggressor) Afghanistan (even war can not even trade) When did Iraq defeat? They helped you once, according to the results of those actions, the results have already been summed up, Russia is also not the same, now the question of the value of the allies is standing, and the advantage is not on your side.
    6. uhu189
      uhu189 13 August 2013 21: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Gene
      There is no point in discussing Ragimov’s article, but such a message appears on the forum that if there are modern weapons, then all questions disappear, victory is ensured. It has been proven many times that this is not so, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. Anyone who relies on weapons is simply afraid to fight to the death. Neither money, nor weapons, nor anything else solves the issue separately. Once we won, it will be necessary to repeat again.
      .
      The point of all this is precisely that you do not have to repeat anything. You can find out, because of what they were alarmed in Armenia - is Armenia at war with Azerbaijan? Or was Armenia expelled from the CSTO? Or are Russian troops withdrawing? You know perfectly well that none of this has happened, why is it necessary to escalate tensions? The fact that Armenia is negotiating with the EU at the moment when Russia entered into an open confrontation with them - do you want to say this allied? Well, yes, indeed, Armenia is an independent state leading a multi-vector policy, it chooses with whom to cooperate, right? So why can’t Russia lead a multi-vector policy, please tell me? Or do the Armenian government not understand the current balance of power? But this does not bother anyone. Once you have decided to bargain between the poles of power - please be prepared for the fact that such a policy will be applied to you ... And do not blame Russia for treachery after this ... No France or Europe did for the tenth part of what did Russia ... It is sad from all this that even Armenia betrayed in essence ... (((
    7. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 August 2013 21: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Gene
      Anyone who relies on weapons is simply afraid to fight to the death. Neither money, nor weapons, nor anything else solves the issue separately. Once we won, it will be necessary to repeat again.

      Here are the shots of the first minutes of the occupation of Kalbajar!
      Here a talking type commander, a mercenary from France at the end, asks the famous Armenians of France to continue to give money for them !!
      And in the last shots, the Russian colonel on the BMP, who is called the senior lieutenant))))
      So you fought !!))
      Video posted by Armenians!
    8. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 August 2013 22: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Gene
      Neither money, nor weapons, nor anything else solves the issue separately.


      And as the mercenary from France asks for money)))))
      And it’s worthless to call the Russian colonel a senior lieutenant)))))
  21. P-15
    P-15 13 August 2013 16: 56 New
    +6
    And in my opinion, the Kremlin simply made it clear to Yerevan that any kind of wagging towards the West and NATO could lead to fraught consequences.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 13 August 2013 17: 38 New
      +3
      Guys, you don’t need to swear here! I understand, you have it personal (Armenia-Azerbaijan), but well, fuck it! You are all normal men. Let’s even make peace here
      1. alone
        alone 13 August 2013 17: 56 New
        +6
        Dear Denis! we don’t swear, what's the use of swearing here? we just discuss the topic and comments.
  22. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 13 August 2013 16: 59 New
    +2
    nothing new. and everything is so messy ... in the elderberry garden - in Kiev, uncle
  23. Powder donut
    Powder donut 13 August 2013 17: 12 New
    +1
    Well, what kind of nonsense, well, it supplies weapons, Russia itself raises itself, it’s not the Armenians who ask for money ... And if they start confronting the CSTO with Azerbaijan, they will have to fit in with ours) and Turkey and NATO will not be able to influence this showdown . We cannot do otherwise (otherwise the CSTO can be closed), plus attacking the country in which the military base of another state is located is very presumptuous. And let’s not forget that the Armenians are also being purchased, and at the same time they are likely to have supplies not advertised from our state. Article minus.
    1. alone
      alone 13 August 2013 17: 21 New
      +3
      they’re just used to getting everything for free from you
    2. Essenger
      Essenger 13 August 2013 17: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: DonutPowder
      We cannot do otherwise (otherwise the CSTO can be closed)

      It's time to dissolve the CSTO, an incomprehensible organization.
      But the Central Asians will not fight for the Armenians and Belarusians. Just like the Armenians and Belarusians will not fight for the Central Asians. Let Russia sign bilateral agreements with Armenia and Belarus. If necessary, let them protect them, but do not drag us into this. It’s stupid for Kazakhstan to fight for the geopolitical interests of Russia.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 13 August 2013 17: 44 New
        +4
        Old man, now is the time, you need to unite with someone. Only we can survive with someone! Choosing NATO means that’s what it will be --- An alliance with Russia, we will help each other
      2. alone
        alone 13 August 2013 17: 45 New
        +5
        essenger. Belarusians are not going to fight for Armenians either. By the way, Belarusians are now engaged in modernizing air defense in Azerbaijan.
      3. xetai9977
        xetai9977 13 August 2013 18: 04 New
        +5
        Miras, I can’t imagine that the Kazakh brother will fight with us over the Armenian who is occupying our lands, or the Kyrgyz and Belarusians.
      4. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 13 August 2013 20: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Essenger
        but do not drag us into it

        And who is pulling you in? You have China on your side, the bench press does not skip?
        Quote: Essenger
        It's time to dissolve the CSTO, an incomprehensible organization.

        This is for sure. Everyone loves to be protected, but not everyone likes to move.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 14 August 2013 16: 48 New
          +4
          Quote: Pilat2009
          And who is pulling you in?

          Guess three times) For comparison, this is the situation. Russia has bad relations with Georgia and Ukraine. I don't care about your showdown. Russia is imposing economic sanctions against these countries, in particular on Borjomi and Roshen sweets. Since Kazakhstan is a member of the CU, the Russians say they hint to us if these products are not available on the territory of the Russian Federation, then this means they say on the territory of the CU too. Russia is pulling us into a "trade war". Who will guarantee that she won't get us hot?

          Quote: Pilat2009
          You have China near by, the bench press does not fly?

          No, it doesn’t. It is the Russians who are most scared of us by the Chinese, it’s strange isn’t it?))) Here we must take into account geography, the Kazakh-Chinese border is a mountainous area. We will not let them through the Zhongar Gate. The main thing here is that Russia does not hit from behind. Unfortunately, you have such an example in Poland, where you, along with the Nazis, divided this country.

          Quote: Pilat2009
          Everyone loves to be protected, but not everyone likes to move.

          You try to understand that REFLECTING EXTERNAL AGGRESSION is one thing, another to interfere in internal affairs and annex part of other states. These are two completely different things.
          1. tupolev-95
            tupolev-95 14 August 2013 21: 40 New
            0
            It is your personal business to join or not to the TS, again with all the pros and cons. And it’s time for Russia to close the borders with all the former republics of the Union and open them only for real allies. As for China, Kazakhstan will not be able to resist it in the event of an open military invasion, this is a fact. Another question is whether China needs this.
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 14 August 2013 23: 17 New
              +3
              Quote: Tupolev-95
              It's your own business to join or not in the vehicle.

              Unfortunately we have already entered, but I hope to leave soon.

              Quote: Tupolev-95
              As for China, Kazakhstan will not be able to resist it in the event of an open military invasion, this is a fact.

              That's not a fact, of course the probability is high but not a fact.

              Quote: Tupolev-95
              And it’s time for Russia to close the borders with all the former republics of the Union and open them only for real allies.

              Of course your right.
  24. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 13 August 2013 17: 15 New
    +3
    The volume of arms purchases by Azerbaijan from Russia is not large. With an interference with the full-time tank division in the NNGX of the 80-s. Only Armenia forgets that a significant part of the money from the sale will go to the maintenance of the 102 base. The use of tanks in the mountains is always a problem. Since the days of the USSR, air defense in Armenia has been at a very high level, plus modern means. It seems to me that this is just a new stage in the system of checks and balances in the region. The Armenians are original, they never trusted them at 100%, they have some kind of dvoh.Ty never be for them svoim.Srazu say that it is know from personal experience (served as an officer in Echmiazine 1988-90).
    1. alone
      alone 13 August 2013 17: 26 New
      +4
      Andrei, the volume of arms purchases between Russia and Azerbaijan reaches up to 4-5 billion dollars. This is not enough. The Azerbaijani air forces are stronger than the Armenian and Georgian air forces combined. Do not forget that in Baku there was a separate air defense army, Azerbaijan’s air defense systems are also more modern than I won’t say anything about Armenians, you served there, you yourself know everything.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 13 August 2013 17: 32 New
      +7
      Quote: Andrey 447
      , the air defense system in Armenia since the days of the USSR has been at a very high level, plus modern means.



      and in Azerbaijan the air defense in the USSR was still at a very high level .. do not forget that the air defense guarded the oil producing region ... and what was protected in Armenia ... mountains and stones ... do not forget that in 41, even under the threat of the capture of Moscow Stalin kept 2 armies in Iran (40 and one more). So I also served in air defense in '89, and I know how much it was then ... hi .
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 13 August 2013 17: 43 New
        +6
        Quote: smersh70
        and in Azerbaijan the air defense in the USSR was still at a very high level .. do not forget

        I once read here that the Iranians in the early 2000s invaded the territory of Azerbaijan 50 km inland. Then the Turks seemed to have to intervene. So the question is why the Iranian air defenses didn’t shoot down the Azerbaijani air defense?
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 13 August 2013 18: 16 New
          +5
          Quote: Essenger
          Quote: smersh70
          and in Azerbaijan the air defense in the USSR was still at a very high level .. do not forget

          I once read here that the Iranians in the early 2000s invaded the territory of Azerbaijan 50 km inland. Then the Turks seemed to have to intervene. So the question is why the Iranian air defenses didn’t shoot down the Azerbaijani air defense?

          There was a specific provocation, but Heydar Aliyev did not fall for it and acted more cunningly, after which the Turkish fighters flew exponentially over Baku and this was a direct signal to Iran.
        2. kNow
          kNow 13 August 2013 19: 08 New
          +4
          Quote: Essenger
          Quote: smersh70
          and in Azerbaijan the air defense in the USSR was still at a very high level .. do not forget

          I once read here that the Iranians in the early 2000s invaded the territory of Azerbaijan 50 km inland. Then the Turks seemed to have to intervene. So the question is why the Iranian air defenses didn’t shoot down the Azerbaijani air defense?

          as far as I know - they hid in the sea, threatened our oil platforms. There was no land or air invasion
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 13 August 2013 20: 59 New
            +1
            In the early 2000s, the Iranians flew several times up to Salyan. The Turkish aerobatic team arrived, and the Iranians were blown away by the wind. They no longer violated the border.
  25. Tektor
    Tektor 13 August 2013 17: 16 New
    +2
    Armenia's "multi-vector" policy was a huge mistake. It gave rise to Russia's uncertainty in its "strategic" partner. Now it is too late to change anything, and you will have to proceed from real conditions.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 August 2013 22: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Tektor
      Now it’s too late to change anything, and you have to proceed from real conditions.

      what to change))))))?
      It's funny)))
      Armenia doesn’t get anywhere from Russia, yet they’re cunning and come back))))))
      They have no borders with Europe, and we will not give either Turkey or Georgia to open them to them)))
      The whole economy and anything worthwhile enterprises belong to Russian companies))))
      Right do not drive)) they are like a small child)) are naughty))
  26. alone
    alone 13 August 2013 17: 18 New
    +4
    so. to begin with, the author forgot to indicate 100pcs BMP-3, which are also purchased
    together with t-90s. secondly, in order for the state to exist, it is necessary to live in friendship and cooperate primarily with its closest neighbors. Armenia has quite succeeded in this regard, territorial claims against its three neighbors Azerbaijan, Turkey and Georgia. until then, because of it will the state borders of countries be redrawn? Do you think Russia will always help you, infringing on your interests in the region? it’s all your fault, except yourself.
  27. gabatikuk
    gabatikuk 13 August 2013 17: 18 New
    -4
    The author of the article forgot the words of the Bordyuzha about the 90s? Recall ?????? negative
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    2. alone
      alone 13 August 2013 17: 29 New
      +4
      I repeat once again. The CSTO protects Armenia from external aggression, no one intends to attack Armenia. The words of the Bordyuzha are political statements. The Bordyuzha does not solve anything. All one person decides - VLADIMIR PUTIN.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 13 August 2013 20: 16 New
        +2
        Russia will defend Armenia as a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, just as Armenia defended Russia in the Ossetian conflict, I don’t remember the blow of the Armenian Divisions in Tbilisi))
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 13 August 2013 17: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: gabatikuk
      The author of the article forgot the words of the Bordyuzha about the 90s? Recall ??????



      by the way outside the window. 2013 year laughing and Bord.zha now sings all other songs))))) and thank God he is not yet the President of Russia ........... hi
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 13 August 2013 18: 05 New
        +5
        Quote: smersh70
        By the way, outside the window. 2013 and Board.zh now sings with all other songs))))) and thank God he is not yet the President of Russia ....

        this is politics !!
        Remember the biggest friend of Armenia in the US Congress was Kerry, became secretary of state and love disappeared, tomatoes wilted!
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 13 August 2013 18: 11 New
          +3
          Greetings Alibek, Are you aware that the American Congress has the second largest Armenian lobby after the Jewish one?
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 13 August 2013 18: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: Den 11
            Greetings Alibek, Are you aware that the American Congress has the second largest Armenian lobby after the Jewish one?

            Hi Denis!
            I know, but our state was not idle!
            And a group of Azerbaijan’s friends in Congress has been operating for a long time, plus the Jewish lobby and our friends have long been friends!
            I do not think that this is such a problem for us now, as it was in the early 90's !!
            I think many exaggerate the possibilities of the Armenian lobby, there is not weak Greek!
            For any, any congressman acts to the benefit of his country, the interests of lobbyists in the background, otherwise many would have sat for a long time!
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 13 August 2013 18: 55 New
              +5
              Quote: Yarbay
              many exaggerate the possibilities of the Armenian lobby, there is not weak Greek!

              The strongest there is not paradoxical Albanian
            2. tomket
              tomket 13 August 2013 23: 34 New
              +2
              Syria also has a group of "friends", with other friends and enemies are not needed.
              2
  28. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 13 August 2013 17: 28 New
    +7
    Azerbaijan purchased in 1992-2012 years in various 321 countries a tank unit, 264 combat vehicles, 400 artillery systems and 21295 missiles and missile launchers. APA reports this with reference to the UN Register of Conventional Arms.

    Official Baku, which during this period significantly strengthened military aviation, acquired 64 training and combat aircraft, 24 combat helicopters.

    It should be noted that the list does not include artillery systems acquired by Azerbaijan in recent years in Israel and Turkey, unmanned aerial vehicles, as well as tanks and combat vehicles, the import of which began at the beginning of the 2013 year under an agreement signed with Russia in the 2012 year.

    According to the register, during the reporting period, the largest number of military equipment was sold to Azerbaijan by Ukraine. Official Baku purchased from this country 198 battle tanks (in particular T-72 and T-55), 173 armored transporters, 294 artillery systems, 37 training and combat aircraft, 12 helicopters, 95 missile systems.

    The second place in the list of countries from which Azerbaijan purchased weapons is Russia. For 20 years, this country has sold Azerbaijan 62 tanks, 24 armored personnel carriers, 18 howitzer units, 12 helicopters and 1200 missiles. The list did not include the 2 X-NUMX division Favorit acquired by Azerbaijan from Russia, as well as the Ka-300 and Mi-2В transport helicopters acquired in 2008-2012.

    In Belarus, Azerbaijan acquired 60 units of tanks, 42 howitzers, 6 aircraft.

    The report notes that Azerbaijan purchased 1992 tanks in Slovakia in 2012-1 years, 10 multiple rocket launchers RAK-128 and 20 thousand missiles in Bosnia and Herzegovina, 32 APCs in South Africa, and 13 combat aircraft in Georgia, and in Kazakhstan - 8 combat aircraft.

    Ukraine purchased the MiG-29 aircraft model, Belarus and Georgia - Su-25, and Kazakhstan - MiG-25.
    1. alone
      alone 13 August 2013 17: 30 New
      +6
      ayyldyz, the list is not complete)))
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 13 August 2013 17: 41 New
        +6
        It should be noted that the list does not include artillery systems acquired by Azerbaijan in recent years in Israel and Turkey, unmanned aerial vehicles, as well as tanks and combat vehicles, the import of which began at the beginning of the 2013 year under an agreement signed with Russia in the 2012 year.

        The military-industrial complex (MIC) of Azerbaijan continues to develop, expanding the range of products. The Minister of Defense Industry of Azerbaijan, Yaver Jamalov, said at a meeting of the board of the department following the results of the first half of the year that today defense and special-purpose products make up 86,4% of total defense industry production, and 13,6% falls on civilian products.

        “Already manufactured defense products 750 items. The development of 70 new products is completed, and 208 products are at the stage of research and development (R&D), ”Jamalov said. In 2013, R&D on 11 products was completed.

        Well done hi
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 13 August 2013 17: 59 New
          +4
          Quote: ayyildiz
          “Already manufactured defense products 750 items. The development of 70 new products is completed, and 208 products are at the stage of research and development (R&D), ”Jamalov said. In 2013, R&D on 11 products was completed.

          Well done

          By the way, yes.
          And what can Armenia boast of?
          ps Already very tired of rogue allies, with hypertrophied self-esteem.
          Want to geyropu?
          Two flags in the back and bon voyage. We will not cry.
      2. Apollo
        Apollo 13 August 2013 18: 12 New
        +6
        I would like to express my attitude to the article and the content of the comments of colleagues.

        1There has been a big positive shift in relations between Russia and Azerbaijan lately. And it pleases. Relations between Russia and Azerbaijan have deep roots, this applies not only to politics and economics, but also to culture. It is no secret that periodically the days of Russian culture in Azerbaijan and on the contrary, the days of Azerbaijan in Russia.
        2.In the relations between the two countries, in the past there was a big pause, V.V. Putin decided in my opinion to eliminate this pause and it is gratifying, moreover, the visit itself is quite significant in nature, thereby V.V. Putin makes it clear who he wants see in the leadership of Azerbaijan after the presidential election to be held this fall.
        3.It is expected that a large package of agreements will be signed regarding economic relations between the two countries.
        4.It is no secret that Vladimir Putin very soon intends to meet with the newly elected President of Iran, I think that Vladimir Putin would like to meet with the President of Azerbaijan to coordinate his position on Iran, Syria and other international issues of mutual interest.
        5.The recent actions of Armenia with a political reverence towards the West, no matter how not pleased the Kremlin’s political leadership, thus Vladimir Putin’s visit to Baku, clearly shows irritation and frustration with Yerevan’s clumsy actions towards the West. The Kremlin clearly sends a signal to Armenia, guys do not flirt with the West.
        6.The deepening of relations between Azerbaijan and Russia concerns not only the political and economic format, it is gratifying that they are developing in terms of a military-technical nature. Once I already wrote in the past branches that Azerbaijan was among the five largest importers of Russian weapons in terms of the number of weapons purchased from Russia. Azerbaijan is investing in the military defense complex of a friendly and fraternal country. And this, in turn, means that Russia, having received a multi-billion dollar sum, will be able to further develop its defense industry. Plus to around the opening of new jobs and the continuation of the research in terms of improvement of existing weapons and razrabatyvanie novyh.Raz Azerbaijan purchased weapons then the question arises, material and technical support of all purchased, in turn, implies a long-term military-technical cooperation.
        7.Russia and Azerbaijan are also linked by family ties. Russia and Azerbaijan cannot ignore this aspect. Very many Azerbaijanis are full citizens of Russia and participate in the political, economic and cultural life of a fraternal and friendly country like Russia and no one will be able to darken relations, although such attempts were made more than once by our neighbors from "sunny" Armenia.
        8.I believe that relations between Russia and Azerbaijan have a great future, and I fully consider it justifiable to act together from a single position in the international arena.
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 13 August 2013 20: 19 New
          +2
          Russia in the person of GDP just for the first time began to use a progmatic approach, the allies are evaluated according to their value, the prospect of cooperation and the history of political vows.
    2. mizantropi
      mizantropi 13 August 2013 18: 22 New
      +3
      There is a lot of iron, will there be any sense in it? I recall that the brave Georgians also bought a lot of interesting things ... Well, the Armenians would have been more modest: they’re kirdyk without Russia, Russia would somehow be killed without them.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 13 August 2013 18: 29 New
        +4
        Quote: mizantrop
        Well, the Armenians would be more modest: they kirdyk without Russia, Russia without them somehow would be killed.

        + 100 500. good
      2. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 13 August 2013 20: 31 New
        +2
        They will understand this, but it will be too late, those who write this script are sitting across the ocean and they are ready to sacrifice their people without a twinge of conscience for the sake of their unfulfilled ambitions.
  29. darksoul
    darksoul 13 August 2013 17: 31 New
    +6
    Russia does not have friends and cannot be .. I would like to consider Belarus and Ukraine as such, but Russia should always rely only on its army, if it is advantageous to use the base in Gyumri ... you need to use ..... they don’t report back ... they we don’t have a matchmaker or a brother and we don’t have children
  30. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 August 2013 17: 40 New
    +4
    And yet, Armenia was and will be an ally of Russia .. whoever and how would not quarrel with us .. Our peoples are connected by history and religion .. (there were a lot of jokes about Armenians but not evil ones))) And most importantly, they did not betray us in the 90s .. This is my personal opinion and position. So it’s useless to sharpen daggers ..
    1. alone
      alone 13 August 2013 17: 48 New
      +5
      well yes. just take the list of republics that did not participate in the referendum on the preservation of the USSR, as well as the list of advisers of the then leadership of the USSR and everything will become clear to you
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 13 August 2013 19: 35 New
        +4
        Quote: lonely
        well yes. just take the list of republics that did not participate in the referendum on the preservation of the USSR, as well as the list of advisers of the then leadership of the USSR and everything will become clear to you

        I agree ..! That's just a small + there is .. they (the Russian-speaking population) did not squeeze us (to say the least) from their independent country like many "former fraternal" .. in a fit of euphoria of "freedom" .. and the majority of whose population is now illegal in Russia is earning its daily bread .. These are the things .. Maybe I'm wrong .. but the conclusions are such for me ..
        1. alone
          alone 13 August 2013 22: 41 New
          +4
          mikhan! Armenia is a mono-ethnic republic. Armenia Russia needs to use you for its own purposes without any benefit for you. in Transcaucasia, the largest Russian community is not in Georgia and Armenia, but in Azerbaijan. take an interest in the national structures of the republics of Transcaucasia, and do not take into account those Russians who live at the 102nd base. they are your citizens
          1. tupolev-95
            tupolev-95 14 August 2013 21: 42 New
            +1
            Thank God we are citizens of our country.
    2. kNow
      kNow 13 August 2013 19: 15 New
      +8
      Quote: MIKHAN
      And most importantly, they did not betray us in the 90s .. This is my personal opinion and position.

      A referendum on the fate of the Union. Armenia is one of the first to vote for secession from the USSR, Azerbaijan votes to stay ...
    3. Armata
      Armata 13 August 2013 21: 42 New
      +2
      Nothing binds us! When they need help they say "we are brothers in Christ", and when they don't need us they are ready to stick a knife in the back!
    4. bomg.77
      bomg.77 16 August 2013 04: 12 New
      0
      Meehan not only in 90x but never at all. You plus
  31. niecke
    niecke 13 August 2013 18: 02 New
    +4
    without entering into a debate, I’ll say simply! at 88 I was in a spitak (after an earthquake) I had seen enough of it! but !! I’ll say one thing, I won’t forget the words of the old Armenian ... thank you guys for your help! now, of all the former Armenians remember whose bayonets won their freedom from the Ottomans and who helped them in a terrible time !!!
  32. Yeraz
    Yeraz 13 August 2013 18: 14 New
    +1
    Well, I didn’t see anything new in the article, the most interesting is the results of the meeting between Putin and Aliyev.
  33. albatross
    albatross 13 August 2013 18: 30 New
    +2
    Armenians all over the globe live, there are diasporas everywhere, businessmen. They have money like a fool shag, would have taken and armed their country. So lose, and so surrounded. But what if the Turks massacre them again? Then they will be forever.
    1. Armata
      Armata 13 August 2013 21: 47 New
      +4
      What kind of Armenians are "patriots" says the number of the Armenian population who left their country. As for the Armenian businessmen from the diasporas around the world: "A businessman has no homeland, he has where the profit is there and the homeland"
  34. Ilya Mikhalych
    Ilya Mikhalych 13 August 2013 18: 53 New
    +2
    In the title you need to swap the words Russia and Armenia, in fairness.
  35. Apollo
    Apollo 13 August 2013 18: 59 New
    +7
    the latest info from the visit of Vladimir Putin to Azerbaijan good

    1. alone
      alone 13 August 2013 22: 46 New
      +5
      the presidents looked very pleased. it pleases
  36. Emilyen
    Emilyen 13 August 2013 19: 32 New
    +3
    everything will be fine
  37. user
    user 13 August 2013 19: 38 New
    +3
    No wonder - AUTHOR RAMIL AHAEV Azerbaijani
  38. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 August 2013 19: 50 New
    +3
    Stop swearing and remember the insults we need to cooperate even if the teeth grind .. Time is not right now .. Then we'll figure it out.
  39. individual
    individual 13 August 2013 19: 51 New
    +2
    Everyone needs to calm down. In any situation, a Russian military base is based in Gyumri, I emphasize RUSSIAN and Patrushev did not have the right to tell reporters that this is an open security umbrella for Armenia and a regulator of the adequate behavior of Yerevan in the framework of agreements with Russia.
    A kind of toggle switch on / off the political stability of Armenia.
  40. michajlo
    michajlo 13 August 2013 20: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Stop swearing and remember the insults we need to cooperate even if the teeth grind .. Time is not right now .. Then we'll figure it out.

    Good evening, dear "MIKHAN"! You aptly noticed. good
    And the precious time flows away very quickly, and many of them still hope for us,
    "that everything will work out somehow and everything will change." fool
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    1. P-15
      P-15 13 August 2013 20: 59 New
      +1
      It may be so)) And what we are boasting about, the only factor that holds us back (for the time being) is the uncertainty that Russia will not harness our graters on the side of Armenia. And so, once for a time, we’ll just tear it to the British flag.
      Yes, I agree, no one needs war, but all patience has a limit
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 13 August 2013 21: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: P-15
        uncertainty that Russia will not harness on our graters on the side of Armenia.

        If they continue in the same vein, they can also add. It’s not even necessary to go far, the base is there bully
  42. michajlo
    michajlo 13 August 2013 20: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: Grishka100watt
    And here Russia! Americans do not need any power in the republics.
    They create in the east through war a single blazing space without borders and national authorities.
    Here, Azerbaijan is for itself.

    Good evening everyone!
    Not in the eyebrow but in the eye, nothing needs to be added. good
  43. zollstab
    zollstab 13 August 2013 21: 10 New
    0
    DON'T LOSE YOURSELF IN YOUR DREAMS. Refers to all painted paper soldiers. soldier
  44. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 13 August 2013 21: 14 New
    +2
    Watching the news, Aliyev says that territorial problems will be resolved soon (he speaks confidently), the answer to the GDP: Russia is only for solving these problems peacefully, a little remark "within the borders recognized by the world community" So who was talking about November?
    1. alone
      alone 13 August 2013 22: 48 New
      +5
      Armenian media))
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    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 August 2013 22: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: MY THOUGHT
      THERE MOST LEAVING MONEY OF A RICH RICH COUNTRY TO SOLVE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC PROBLEMS

      But nothing is being done to solve these problems!
      the country is getting poorer every year!
      Therefore, I am convinced that Armenia will have no other choice than joining Azerbaijan or Russia!
      They are closer to us))))))
      1. tomket
        tomket 13 August 2013 23: 28 New
        0
        Dreams, there is something in it, do not please yourself in the jaws of Turkey while you try to pinch off a piece from others.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 13 August 2013 23: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: tomket
          Dreams, there’s something in it, do not fall into the mouth of Turkey yourself while trying to pinch off a piece from others

          You see, do not follow the economic and political events!
          At present, the economic situation of Turkey is more dependent on us, and not vice versa !!
          Honestly, I would connect with them, but because of Erdogan I am against)))
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 14 August 2013 00: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: tomket
          Dreams, there is something in it, do not please yourself in the jaws of Turkey while you try to pinch off a piece from others.

          This is not a fall, but a fraternal hug. I would not mind, many consider Turkey their homeland.
    2. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 13 August 2013 22: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: MY THOUGHT
      THEREFORE, LEAVING MONEY OF A RICH RICH COUNTRY TO SOLVE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC PROBLEMS. I THINK THIS LOGIC OF MOSCOW

      Only while this money is being spent so that your elite can replenish themselves in case of the threat of the diaspora in France and the states request and our military assistance so that you would not be crushed before they have time to dump
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 13 August 2013 23: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Ruslan67
        Only while this money goes

        Hi Ruslan !!
        I see this problem here for more than 20 years, they could not create some kind of economic system and honestly I’m not talking about enemies, I really don’t see another way for them!
        Just if they become part of Russia, then we will not be very buzzing !!
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 13 August 2013 23: 39 New
          +4
          Quote: Yarbay
          if they become part of Russia, then we will not be very buzzing !!

          And we really .... wassat
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 13 August 2013 23: 46 New
            +4
            Quote: Ruslan67
            And then we

            You have a big country and you’re more accustomed to such events, half of the country feed at the expense of the other!
            With the advent of Armenia, do not become poorer !!))
            Well and closer to the Indian Ocean))))
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 13 August 2013 23: 55 New
              +4
              Quote: Yarbay
              Well and closer to the Indian Ocean))))

              Need to eat wassat
              Quote: Yarbay
              With the advent of Armenia, do not become poorer !!))

              what sad ????? fool bully
    3. alone
      alone 13 August 2013 22: 59 New
      +4
      I haven’t noticed something over the past 5 years that solved the social and economic problems of Armenia.
      1. experienced
        experienced 13 August 2013 23: 17 New
        +6
        Now I’ll write 100 pounds of sedition and ogreb, but apparently such a fate (so) understood bully
        There is a territory that each of the peoples considers to be their own, there are a lot of facts from the Internet, which say that this is the territory of this particular people, the blood of two peoples was shed for this territory ... I kind of said everything right?
        Now, there is confrontation and restraining factors ... Well, then there will be a conflict and I would not want Russian guys to die in it ... I'm drunk now, but I answer: we have a lot of land of our own and there are enough enemies ... Gary by me We respect, but you cannot drag Russia into the battle, fight for the disputed territories yourself, but if someone already climbs on yours, then Russia will say "Fu" and everything will be over.
        1. alone
          alone 13 August 2013 23: 19 New
          +6
          something is not noticeable that you are drunk. thoughts are just the same a very sober person
          1. experienced
            experienced 13 August 2013 23: 33 New
            +4
            Quote: lonely
            something is not noticeable that you are drunk. thoughts are just the same a very sober person

            Lobster hi the moderator edits me wassat It’s like that in my life, today it came to me in a personal that I had a scarf with the Azeri, and yesterday I turned on the counter for an Azeri neighbor for turning on the Gazelle and “disturbed” my car. Damn, who am I? While they don't touch me, I'm soft and fluffy (like Klim), but as soon as my Lexus scratches me, don't give a fuck who should rule Karabakh wassat
            1. alone
              alone 13 August 2013 23: 44 New
              +4
              wassat Well, for Lexus, I would do the same and turn on two counters))) but the truth is yours is that your guys have nothing to die in a foreign war protecting someone's interests.
            2. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 13 August 2013 23: 53 New
              +4
              Quote: seasoned
              the moderator edits me

              If only you and only one what
              Quote: seasoned
              to me who the Karabakh should manage

              Quote: seasoned
              Damn, who am I?

              Quote: seasoned
              I'm soft and fluffy

              So who are you Dr. Sorge? what wassat laughing
              1. experienced
                experienced 14 August 2013 00: 19 New
                +2
                Quote: Ruslan67
                So who are you Dr. Sorge?

                I am a modest dreamy spender drinks
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 14 August 2013 00: 33 New
                  +2
                  Quote: seasoned
                  I am a modest dreamy spender

                  drinks laughing
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 14 August 2013 00: 39 New
                    +3
                    Hi Ruslan, guys, wait, I'll catch you now drinks
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 14 August 2013 01: 11 New
                      +3
                      Sasha hello fellow Pour in drinks
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 14 August 2013 01: 19 New
                        +1
                        Hi Ruslan. drinks
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 13 August 2013 23: 45 New
            +6
            Quote: lonely
            something is not noticeable that you are drunk. thoughts are just the same a very sober person

            He has it so far after the first bottle)))))
            Then there will be a brawl if someone touches))))))))
            1. alone
              alone 13 August 2013 23: 51 New
              +4
              what’s the normal reaction. why hurt him? better join him with his bottle drinks ))))))))))))))
              1. experienced
                experienced 14 August 2013 00: 21 New
                +3
                Quote: lonely
                what’s the normal reaction. why hurt him? better join him with his bottle

                Omar, for all of you Apollo is blown away on Skype, and in the morning from Romanov claim that we stupidly got drunk wassat
            2. experienced
              experienced 14 August 2013 00: 02 New
              +5
              [quote = Yarbay] [quote = lonely] something is not noticeable that you are drunk. thoughts are just the same of a very sober person [/ quote]
              Alibek, well, there’s more than one bottle in the face, a friend looked through the passage and away we go, a sauna, bottles, girls ...
              And as a rule, I harness myself for someone from the members of the forum, not for myself, which I grieve for (who I ban) For who can boast that I’ve survived 4 times before the marshal ... wassat And Vadim Smirnov himself included personal enemies bully Vadim is grateful and grateful that he unban for the time being hi my "eternal ban" ...
              And really grateful to Apollon really sensible moderator hi
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 14 August 2013 00: 06 New
                +5
                Quote: seasoned
                Alibek, well, there’s more than one bottle in the face, a friend looked through the passage and away we go, a sauna, bottles, girls ...

                Well, as Yakin said, my life)))))))))))))))
                Bon appetit!
                And Comrade Smirnov pardoned many, at one time me too))))
                1. experienced
                  experienced 14 August 2013 00: 13 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarbay

                  And Comrade Smirnov pardoned many, at one time me too))))

                  Bugaga, I remember ... Well, thanks for his quickness wassat There was a time, revolutions, strikes ... Legally it is better to communicate. You just really look, Apollo write more literally than under the Russian flags, the old school has always been at its best. VPSh? wink
                  1. alone
                    alone 14 August 2013 00: 24 New
                    +4
                    in the USSR, education was on top. nothing surprising.
                    1. experienced
                      experienced 14 August 2013 00: 32 New
                      +3
                      In 1988, when I was a young lieutenant, I entered a military unit in Moscow, and when I was questioned, as a young man, I was horrified to see soldiers who could not write, it was a shock to me. Then he learned that from rural areas.
          3. smersh70
            smersh70 14 August 2013 00: 27 New
            +3
            Quote: lonely
            something is not noticeable that you are drunk. thoughts are just the same a very sober person


            with the mouth of a baby and a drunk, the truth speaks drinks
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 14 August 2013 00: 32 New
              0
              This is an axiom drinks
  46. tomket
    tomket 13 August 2013 23: 20 New
    +3
    that’s interesting, what does defensive weapons look like in the eyes of Armenians? Slingshots? or wolf pits? In general, it’s time for Russia to begin to reattach all these dwarf pseudo-states in the Caucasus, which de facto exist at the expense of Russia, cannot exist without Russia, but their national narrow-mindedness contribute to anti-Russian speculation. Their national pride in such small nations as Georgia, Armenia, Ossetia, etc. need to shove it to hell.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 13 August 2013 23: 44 New
      +5
      Quote: tomket
      . Their national pride in such small nations as Georgia, Armenia, Ossetia, etc. need to shove it to hell

      You said a little rude, but somewhere the truth!
      Well, they can’t live on their own, time has proved it !!
      And do not insert here in a proud position!
      That's it and the network!
      Sooner or later you have to join somewhere, but every year everything is on worse conditions!
    2. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 14 August 2013 21: 56 New
      +1
      Do we need it? We have enough "people from the mountains" of our own. I am categorically against. I am for closed borders and visas. Let them walk on free meadows, let them grab their will with full breast, otherwise, like a kangaroo, you cannot tear it off until you break from the Motherland’s tits. then again, if something happens, the Russian invaders! So let them be proud of their national pride, but somewhere in the distance.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 14 August 2013 22: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: Tupolev-95
        . And then again, in case of something, the Russian occupiers!
        So I'm talking about voluntary entry))))))))
        The fact that they should beg you to accept them, and not you to ask them)))))))))
        1. tupolev-95
          tupolev-95 15 August 2013 10: 22 New
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          So the Georgian tsar also asked for something there, only who now remembers this in Georgia.
  47. sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 13 August 2013 23: 36 New
    0
    Phew ... I read everything and didn’t understand anything ... Gentlemen, comrades, citizens, please explain to me, why this is so - There was the USSR, it was destroyed, in all the former Soviet republics there was a storm of applause in this respect, turning into a standing ovation . In an instant, the union republics became independent states. Well, the flag in their hands. And they live and live (at least in words), demand some kind of debt from Russia, like from the successor of the USSR, and at the same time they teach whom to trade with Russia, which country to visit on a visit, whom they give their hand to, and with whom and a careless nod can be dispensed with ... Citizens are independent of any state, or maybe we ourselves will somehow decide how to live, eh? Without your clues? Well, there is not a single free country from the post-Soviet space that would not have spread ... with its neighbors, but for some reason Russia owes everything, owes everything. Eh ... send you all ....
    1. alone
      alone 13 August 2013 23: 45 New
      +2
      fat plus you from me
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 14 August 2013 00: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        fat plus you from me


        You were sent far and long laughing and you put a plus and also bold fellow By the way, you know how to send in Russian wassat
    2. Essenger
      Essenger 14 August 2013 03: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: sigizmund472
      There was the USSR, it was destroyed, in all the former Soviet republics, in honor of this there was a storm of applause, turning into a standing ovation.

      I will not hide, I am glad the collapse of this country.

      Quote: sigizmund472
      they require some kind of debt from Russia, like from the successor of the USSR, and at the same time they teach Russia with whom to trade, which country to visit on a visit, whom to give a hand to, and who can do with a careless nod ...

      Start with yourself, stop interfering in the internal affairs of neighboring states

      Quote: sigizmund472
      Well, there’s not a single free country from the post-Soviet space that wouldn’t expand ... with its neighbors

      Turkmenistan has no problems with its neighbors; we have no problems with its neighbors. At least two countries ...
      1. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 14 August 2013 22: 06 New
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        We will discuss this after the withdrawal of pen-dos from Afghanistan. And by the way, the massacre in the Asian republics during the period of the collapse of the Kazakhs did not affect? ​​The high point of Turkmenistan is also just around the corner, there is one country that loves authoritarian regimes with gas and oil))))
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 14 August 2013 22: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Tupolev-95
          , there is one country that loves authoritarian regimes with gas and oil))))

          in fact of the matter what exactly loves)))
          You just have to bow to that country in time, just like the Saudis and others and everything will be Cheeky Cheeks)))) the country will be rich and * happy *, but immoral !!
        2. Essenger
          Essenger 14 August 2013 23: 06 New
          +4
          Quote: Tupolev-95
          We will discuss this after the withdrawal of pen-dos from Afghanistan.

          OK

          Quote: Tupolev-95
          And by the way, the massacre in the Asian republics during the period of the collapse of the Kazakhs did not affect?

          In which Asian countries was the massacre? or are you talking about the mythical "genocide"?

          Quote: Tupolev-95
          there is one country that loves authoritarian regimes with gas and oil))))

          The main thing is that this country itself is not authoritarian. Unlike some, I include my country.
          1. tupolev-95
            tupolev-95 15 August 2013 10: 27 New
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            I am talking about the civil war in Tajikistan, and was the whole region then restless, or did the Kazakhs live only in their own republic?
    3. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 14 August 2013 22: 00 New
      0
      And they, like ex-wives, received everything due under the law, but he paid little and no alimony, and, bastard, found a young one for himself, and in general, let him support and protect me until the end of his life!
  48. Day 11
    Day 11 14 August 2013 00: 38 New
    +2
    Yeah men! No words. Maybe it’s time to make peace (at least on this site)? Before, after all, everyone lived together! He studied at a military school --- there were both Armenians and Azerbaijanis and Turkmens ...--- everyone was friends! What for ... has it arrived?
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 14 August 2013 00: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Den 11
      Yeah men! No words. Maybe it’s time to make peace (at least on this site)? Before, after all, everyone lived together! He studied at a military school --- there were both Armenians and Azerbaijanis and Turkmens ...--- everyone was friends! What for ... has it arrived?


      I agree, Denis, a bad world is always better than a hot war! drinks
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 14 August 2013 22: 55 New
      -1
      Quote: Den 11
      Yeah guys! No words. Maybe it's time to make peace (at least on this site)

      Denis, would you make peace with a person who would have a picture of Hitler on the avatar ??? or any other fascist ??
      In order not to be unfounded, I advise you to read the memoirs of Lieutenant Colonel Tverdokhlebov, a member of the Extraordinary Commission Mikhailov, General Ordoshalidze, General Nikolaev!

      “I destroyed the Turkish population in Basarkechar (there were Azerbaijani villages - RG), without understanding anything. But sometimes you feel sorry for the bullet. The surest remedy against these dogs is to collect all the survivors after the battle, overfill the wells with them and finish them off with heavy stones so that they are no longer in the world. I did just that: I gathered all the men, women and children and put an end to them, filling with stones the wells where they had been thrown by me before ... ”
      A report drawn up for American diplomats in those years says: “88 villages were destroyed in Muslims in Erivan province, 1920 houses were burned, 131970 men were killed.”
      The facts of the mass extermination of the Turkic population are recognized by the Armenian historian A. Lalayan, who gradually describes the massacre organized by the Dashnaks in Ottoman Turkey and the Caucasus. Lalayan wrote that the “courage” of the Dashnaks manifested itself in the massacre of Turkish women, children and the sick and the elderly ”(By the way, this has not changed over the past years). (A. Lalayan, Revolutionary East, No. 2-3, p. 92 V.D., Moscow, 1936; Historical Notes, No. 2-3, p. 92, 1936).
      “The Armenians doused people with sulfuric acid, shot the Turkish people from their homes and killed them with a knife and bullets in Gaziantep,” the English ambassador Henry D. writes in his report on November 16, 1895.
      Hovhannes Kachaznuni, (the first prime minister of Armenia and the Dashnak leader) later admitted in his book “Dashnaktsutyun has nothing more to do!” That they, the Dashnaks, were destroying the Muslim population, and the Armenian terrorist attacks aimed to ensure the victory of the West, which promised Armenian nationalists for this is to give Turkish and Azerbaijani lands to create the state of Armenia.
      Pay attention to the years!
      I will not fraternize with those who wear pictures of fascists !!
      NEVER and LOWLY I will not even sit at the same table with their representatives!!!!
      I am raising my son in the same spirit so that he knows the Nazis by sight and NEVER believes them !!
  49. smersh70
    smersh70 14 August 2013 02: 02 New
    +4
    everything basta smile comments broke the record, go to the next branch, about the Superjet, there a stoic with a wax vapor announced wassat went on the counterattack smile need to stop fellow
  50. Airman
    Airman 14 August 2013 09: 40 New
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    Quote: lonely
    Vyacheslav, the 7th army was in Armenia, not the 8th

    That's right, I agree. In Armenia there was a 7th army, and in Azerbaijan there was an 8th army. At first I wrote the numbers of the division and regiments, but I realized that they would not miss this info, and redid it, and as a result, this error appeared. I wanted to write that Armenia got all the equipment of the 7th army, with the exception of the Leninakan division, and Azerbaijan all the equipment of the 8th army. Sincerely.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 14 August 2013 15: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Povshnik
      I wanted to write that Armenia got all the equipment of the 7th army, with the exception of the Leninakan division, and Azerbaijan all the equipment of the 8th army.

      I don’t understand why to lie and build myself an expert !!?
      What is the 8th army?
      If you have not served in Armenia or Azerbaijan, then there is nothing shameful in this; we will still listen to you!
      It’s impossible to make such a mistake!
      Quote: Povshnik
      At first I wrote the numbers of the division and regiments, but I realized that they would not miss this info, and redid it, and as a result this error appeared

      Why did you think so?)) With a hangover ??))
      You really can’t write the army number correctly, there’s one number, why did you decide that you can write the unit numbers !?
      And those parts no longer exist)))))))))