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Evgeny Pozhidaev: Russia and the unlucky backyards of the European Union: the myths of the evroshlyakh fans

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Evgeny Pozhidaev: Russia and the unlucky backyards of the European Union: the myths of the evroshlyakh fans"Maybe we are the poorest country in the European Union; the years of the Soviet occupation let us know, but Bulgaria is richer than the countries of Aziopes, which include Russia."


"In Ukraine, the standard of living is higher, and the average life expectancy of a man 62 of the year, as opposed to the Russian, is 59 years".

"Most of Russia (except Moscow and St. Petersburg) lives no better than Ukraine."

"About the standard of living: it is generally higher than in the Russian Federation, you just don’t have to compare it with Moscow."


His name is legion. Thousands of inhabitants of the post-Soviet space are scouring the runet’s expanses, piously convinced that no matter how bad it was in their homeland, in Russia “everything is even worse”. Outside the Moscow Ring Road, the impoverished drunk population sits at a splinter, heated by pieces of furniture. Penza (or an arbitrary regional center) is a branch of hell on Earth. The industry is buried at the Vagankovo ​​cemetery without an orchestra, the damned Mordor survives only at the expense of the oil pipe. The army is a kingdom of hunger and terror, unable to cope even with Monaco. Russia will soon be occupied by the Tajiks, the capital will be moved to Dushanbe, and every second will be tormented by Kadyrov personally.

Inside the country, giving the post-Soviet contingent a minute of simple human happiness, indulge in the old Russian fun - whining. "What did you think Russia was the big eight? It's all a lie ... Russia can only be compared with Afghanistan."

"Ukrainians! Do not believe that everything is so good in a race, it is a complete lie. It is a plundered, miserable country that is in complete world isolation. They certainly have friends - Tajiks, Uzbeks, ... and so on ... from all over the union. Their it’s full here - only here they feel comfortable because no country, including Ukraine, will allow them to bend their own population, as is done in the rashka ”(spelling is preserved, some incorrect formulations are removed - the author of the pearl lives in St. Petersburg). Attempts to report that somewhere to the west of Brest live worse, cause immediate cognitive dissonance and vigorous protest.

These stamps are actively used by supporters of the "European choice" and state propaganda of post-Soviet entities. Thus, the favorite thesis of domestic fans of Thor, Krylov and Kholmogorov is actively used by Ukrainian nationalists. The patriarch of the divisive Ukrainian Orthodox Church Filaret: “And in thirty years, according to scientists, Russia will not even be a Christian country. And under these conditions, Ukraine is a salvation for them as a state. They already think that Russians are ready to transfer their capital from Moscow to Kiev, but that they are led here. "

The results of this situation are quite tangible. Thus, the clear predominance in Ukraine of supporters of the "European choice" over supporters of choosing Eurasian (in particular, joining the Customs Union) was largely created by the conviction of the senselessness of unification with "the same impoverished" (if not more impoverished) Russia, and unabashed faith in the fact that joining the EU will automatically bring the West European standard of living. In other words, a specific set of anti-Russian stamps, diligently supported by propaganda, turns out to be a factor of geopolitical significance.

Meanwhile, it is the myth that works against us. Let's see what is the actual position of the Russian Federation in the post-Soviet space. So, get acquainted, Russia:

Russia's GDP at purchasing power parity (PPP) - $ 3 trillion. 380 billion (World Bank data; lower IMF data are the result of a simple extrapolation of 2005 data of the year). Russia is the fifth largest economy in the world. GDP at purchasing power parity per capita - $ 23,549 (of course, this is precisely at purchasing power parity, and not all of this amount goes into household income). In other words, according to this indicator, the Russian Federation is approximately twice as low as Germany ($ 40,394) and the USA ($ 49,495), and is 16,8 times more than Afghanistan; Moscow's per capita GDP is roughly equal to the "German average". Of the non-Soviet countries, Russia's closest neighbors are Chile ($ 22,655, the richest of the major Latin American countries), Bahrain (23,886), Saudi Arabia (24,571), Portugal (25,305), Greece (24,667). The example of Saudi Arabia here is a good illustration of the fact that extracting oil is about the same as the Russian Federation with 27 million of people to build an oil paradise for everyone is impossible, and dreams of a carefree life for natural rent, cherished by a fair amount of the electorate, are unscientific fantasy. Ginny Index (Income Inequality Index) - 42,2 (UN data). For comparison: Germany - 27, France - 32,7, Great Britain - 40, Italy - 32, Japan - 37,6, India - 36,8, China - 47,4, Brazil - 51,9, USA - 45.

Now let's see how Russian GDP is created. Taxes - 25,1%, trade - 16,2% finance and services - 14,0%, manufacturing industry - 13,6%, mining - 9,1% (oil and gas - 6,8%), transport and communications - 7,5%, education and health care - 5,7% , construction - 5,5%, state administration and military security - 5,0%, agriculture - 3,6%, production and distribution of electricity, gas and water - 3,2%. In other words, contrary to the myth, the manufacturing industry dominates the extractive industry, creating a larger amount of GDP in 1,5. At the same time, despite the fact that oil prices from 2003-th to 2011-th increased from $ 31 to $ 97 per barrel, the share of oil and gas decreased from 8,8% to 6,8%. Mechanical engineering shows reverse dynamics. For 2011-2012, the production of machinery and equipment increased by 12%, including vehicles and equipment - by 29,6%, machine tools - by 21,9%. In physical terms, the production of passenger cars in Russia in 2012 increased by 13,3% - to 2 million, trucks by 1,5% - to 210 thousand, buses by 30,7% - to 57,1 thousand. In general, the production of cars in Russia is still more than in 2,5 times inferior to Germany and the United States, but surpasses all European countries with the exception of Germany.

Russia's exports for 2012 - $ 524 billion (minerals and fuel - 71,4%, non-oil exports, thus, about $ 150 billion), imports - $ 312,6 billion gold reserves (gold reserves) are $ 505,7 billion. Total external debt , taking into account the state and corporate - $ 703,9 billion (33,2% of GDP), only the state - $ 49,6 billion (2,36% of GDP). Domestic debt - $ 4 trillion. 57,6 billion rubles (6,5% of GDP). In other words, the total national debt of the Russian Federation is 8,86% of GDP.

The average life expectancy in the Russian Federation is 69,7. The closest neighbors of the large "non-Soviet" countries here, alas, are India (68,75), Peru (70,15), Indonesia (70,25), Iran and the Philippines (70,6).

Total fertility rate - 1,7 child per woman. This is less than in France (2,08), Great Britain (1,91), USA (1,85), Holland (1,78), at about the same level as the Scandinavian countries (1,67- 1,77) and Belgium (1,65), but much more than in Germany (1,36), Greece and Japan (1,39), Italy (1,4), Spain (1,48), Portugal (1,51). As a result, the population of the Russian Federation shows a slight natural increase.

At the same time, the standard explanation - “guest workers give birth and in the North Caucasus” does not work. So, in 2008, the registry offices registered only 1,09% of newborns born by foreigners or stateless persons. Even in Moscow, this figure does not exceed 10%. I should add that the total fertility rate in Uzbekistan, which is a record holder in the number of labor migrants to Russia, is 1,86 and is decreasing. The total fertility rate in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan is quite high - 2,89 - 2,88 child per woman, but the total population of the two countries is only 13,2 million. At the same time, the birth rate in Tajikistan is falling rapidly. The share of the North Caucasian population in the total population of the Russian Federation is only 4,2%, and for most republics, except Ingushetia, Chechnya and Dagestan, the total fertility rate is below the level of simple reproduction. In other words, the Islamization of Russia, especially during 30 years, is an example of total absurdity.

This is how the Russian Federation looks like in comparison with the outside world. If we reject the dwarf states, then it can be stated that the country is poorer than the Anglo-Saxon countries, Western Europe, the oil monarchies of the Gulf, Israel, Japan and South Korea, but richer than almost the rest of the world. Now we will try to compare the level of development of the Russian Federation with the post-Soviet space.

Let's start with Central Asia. Per capita GDP at Tajikistan's PPP - $ 2247, Kyrgyzstan - $ 2409, Uzbekistan claiming regional hegemony - $ 3591. The first two "persons involved" live, practically, in Africa - for example, Cameroon's per capita GDP is $ 2343 thousand, Nigeria - $ 2661. Uzbekistan settled approximately at the same level with India and Vietnam, which are even somewhat richer. Life expectancy everywhere is lower than in the Russian Federation. Turkmenistan stands somewhat apart in the region, which is “only” twice as poor as the Russian Federation ($ 10,583), but the life expectancy there is the lowest in the CIS - 65 years.

Kazakhstan, the most developed country in Central Asia and a serious exporter of raw materials, has a per capita GDP of $ 13892, almost X times less than the Russian Federation. Unemployment in the country is kept at a level close to the Russian - 1,7%. Life expectancy is somewhat lower than Russian - 5,3 years, but the birth rate is much higher - 68,9 child per woman. Gross foreign debt is quite large - 2,62% of GDP.

Let's move across the Caspian Sea and see how things are in Transcaucasia. The per capita GDP at PPP of Georgia is $ 5902, Armenia is $ 6645, Azerbaijan, which extracts oil per capita by 1,5 times the Russian Federation - $ 10624. At the same time, the Georgian economy is a very interesting phenomenon. The country's trade deficit is 24% of GDP, i.e. a quarter of consumption is paid by the country at the expense of foreign loans. As a result, the total external debt has already reached 83,9% of GDP (public external debt is 26,5%), and until recently showed the most rapid growth. At the same time, Georgia imports up to 60% of food consumed. The unemployment rate among the urban population is 27%, and in the whole country the youth unemployment rate is 36%. In other words, Egypt against the backdrop of Georgia is an example of economic viability and food security. At the same time, there are no prerequisites for a “breakthrough” in the country - the growth of the country's economy this year will be 3-4%. Relatively high birth rates can be attributed to the strengths of the countries of the region - Georgia 1,9, Armenia 1,74, Azerbaijan 1,92 and longer life expectancy of Armenia 73,92 than in the Russian Federation, Georgia 73,3. Azerbaijan stands apart, which, despite its status as the richest country in the region, has a life expectancy almost equal to that of Russia - 70,3 of the year.

Now look to the west. So, Moldova is Uzbekistan in Europe, per capita GDP at PPP is $ 3424. Trade balance deficit - 40,9% of GDP. Life expectancy is 69,21, the total fertility rate is 1,47.

Ukraine has per capita GDP at PPP $ 7418, more than three times less than the Russian Federation. Of the larger countries, its closest neighbors are Egypt ($ 6723) and richer Algeria ($ 8515). As a more solid example, China ($ 9233), Colombia ($ 10587), Iran ($ 11395) can be cited. In other words, on average, a Ukrainian is much poorer than the average Chinese, and only a much smaller Ginny coefficient saves him from Chinese excesses of extreme poverty.

The bizarre state of the Ukrainian economy is best illustrated by the dynamics of the local car industry. In 2012, he produced 69,7 thousand cars - almost thirty times less than the Russian, 2936 trucks (the difference in 71,5 times), 3206 buses (the difference in 17,8 times). This year, in January-May, production amounted to only 12,6 thousand. Automotive industry is not alone - 2012 in Ukraine produced 4,8 thousand tractors, which is 22,7% less than in 2011 year.

Imports chronically exceed exports - the trade balance deficit in 2012 is 8,3%, of the payment balance - 8%. The result - the growth of total debt and the "evaporation" of foreign exchange reserves. Now they make up only $ 23,1 billion. At the beginning of 2012, they amounted to $ 31,79 billion, at the end - $ 24 billion. The total external debt increased to 38%. Formally, this is not very much, but the extremely low credit rating of Ukraine (BBB with a negative outlook; the impressive part of borrowers within the country is even lower - for example, the rating of Lvov exactly corresponds to the Egyptian one) allows attracting loans only at a high percentage. As a result, the share of the cost of servicing the debt in the state budget is quite European in excess of the cost of education and health care taken together. In the first half of 2013, the growth rate of the state debt and the reduction in gold and foreign currency reserves slowed down, and the trade balance deficit decreased - but for the simple reason that Ukraine reduced purchases of Russian gas by 35%. This creates the risk of freezing themselves or / and freezing a large part of Europe in the case of the notorious “anomalous cold weather”, which has long been transformed from an “anomaly” to normal, but the administration of Viktor Yanukovych simply has no money. Future prospects of the Ukrainian economy are fairly transparent. The fall in GDP in the third quarter of 2012 amounted to 1,3%, in the fourth quarter - 2,5%, in the first and second quarter of 2013, according to 1,1%.

Demographics on this background looks like this. With almost equal life expectancy from the Russian Federation (70,81 of the year), Ukraine has a markedly lower birth rate (total coefficient -1,49). Given the differences in the age structure of the population, the country dies by 26% more than is born.

Look at the reserve "socialism". The per capita GDP of Belarus at PPP is $ 15579, twice as high as in Ukraine, slightly higher than in Kazakhstan. January-May growth - 1,1%. Contrary to the myth of the brilliant successes of the Belarusian industry, the country's trade balance is negative - which is not surprising. Thus, attempts to create an assembly production of passenger cars in the Republic of Belarus usually end with an ephemeral result. The natural effect of the foreign trade minus is the aggregate debt in 54% of GDP. Belarusian demography also does not look particularly optimistic - with a high life expectancy (72,2 of the year) by the standards of the CIS, the birth rate remains low (1,5), and by about 10% lags behind mortality. Nevertheless, before us, of course, one of the two most successful partners of the Russian Federation in the CIS - along with Kazakhstan.

Now we cross the border with the European Union. According to the myth of the post-Soviet fans of the evroshlyakh, entry into it guarantees a European standard of living, a tumultuous stream of technology, and simply a sea of ​​donated money. The voice of the people of Kiev: "The Germans throughout stories were democrats and not greedy. They will share with us when we come to them in the EU. They used to always share. "Let's see what they actually share with new Europeans.

In Soviet times, the Baltic States had a level of economic development on 10-15% higher than the RSFSR. Since then, something has changed. Per capita GDP in PPP in Latvia is $ 21005, Estonia is $ 23024, Lithuania is $ 23487 (RF is $ 23549). In other words, the result of two decades of independent development has come down to the fact that the Baltic countries have lost their traditional head start. And this is not surprising. The Baltic Tigers, which were fundamentally deindustrialized at the request of the EU, survived the crisis extremely badly. Thus, the Estonian economy fell by 5,4% in 2008 and 13,9% in 2009 (the fall in industrial production was 4,8% and 24,3%, respectively), reaching the pre-crisis level only at the end of last year. Lithuania showed similar dynamics. By the end of 2012, Latvia, which described roughly the same “trajectory,” still did not reach 2008, while last year its economy showed zero growth, Estonian - a very modest rise of 2,4%, Lithuanian - 2,7%. Industrial production has not recovered in any of the countries - in other words, they have experienced another round of de-industrialization.

As a result, the unemployment rate is as follows: Estonia - 8,3%, Latvia - 12,4%, Lithuania - 12,5%. Compared to Germany and Russia, this is very bad, compared to Southern Europe - very optimistic, but it should be borne in mind that the well-being of the southern European class is achieved through gigantic migration to developed EU countries. Thus, according to various estimates, from 4,4 to 10% of the working-age population of Estonia are employed abroad.

Baltic demography demonstrates three distinctly different variants. Estonia is characterized by a record life expectancy for the former USSR (76,13 of the year) and a rather low birth rate (1,52). Lithuania has a relatively high birth rate (1,76) and average life expectancy (73,56 year). Latvia combines extremely low fertility (1,34) with "Lithuanian" indicators of life expectancy (73,58). However, all these nuances are leveled by emigration. As a result, the population of Lithuania decreased from 3,7 million at the time of the collapse of the Union to 3,06 million. The population of Latvia in the 2000-2012 years only decreased by at least 13%. And this process will inevitably continue. Meanwhile, the decline in the number of working-age population always additionally spins the spiral of de-industrialization.

As for the former Eastern European social camp, four groups of countries can be distinguished within its framework. The first is Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Albania and Macedonia, which settled at the "Azerbaijani" level in $ 9 thousand - $ 11 thousand. Expected to be characterized by low growth and "massive" unemployment. In addition to low incomes, this group is characterized by a low birth rate - it is predominantly Muslim Albania with a birth rate equal to Estonian (1,52).

The second group is Bulgaria ($ 15933), Romania ($ 16518) and Montenegro ($ 14206); For obvious reasons, only two relatively large countries are of interest. Formally, they are approximately at the level of Belarus and Kazakhstan, but in fact their level of development is lower, and the prospects are much worse. Bulgaria and, to a lesser extent, Romania are fundamentally de-industrialized. GDP growth in 2012 is 0,6% (Romania), 0,8% Bulgaria. Unemployment in Bulgaria reaches 12,03%. The logical consequence of all the above is a dubious demography, mass emigration and permanent political tensions (the latter is especially characteristic of Bulgaria). The birth rate in Romania is one of the lowest in the world (1,24), in Bulgaria (1,54) the death rate is one and a half times higher than the birth rate, which, combined with mass immigration, has already led to a completely “Baltic” decline in population.

The third group is Croatia ($ 20532), Hungary ($ 21570) and Poland ($ 21903). All three countries in the Soviet period far exceeded the RSFSR in terms of living standards; now their per capita GDP is slightly lower or about the same, despite the fact that Poland and Hungary have joined the EU against the background of its prosperity and still receive impressive subsidies. Poland has managed to integrate into the technological chains of German companies, becoming the "main German subcontractor"; This allowed, for example, to bring the capacity of local assembly plants to a million cars a year. This allowed Warsaw to reliably relive the first wave of the crisis and the beginning of the second wave (the crisis of the Eurozone).

However, for some reason, the epic jump in the standard of living to the Western European level and the radical growth of the technological level did not happen - nobody began to share technologies, profits and markets with the Poles. Poland simply returned to its traditional niche supplier of cheap labor for the German economy, frankly frozen in the same position in which Mexico is in relation to the United States. In this case, even for the role of "makiladoras" obviously have to pay. The growth of the Polish economy is steadily slowing, unemployment has reached 13,6%. The auto industry as a result of all the vicissitudes shrank in 2,5 times - up to 400 thousand cars produced per year.

Polish demography is worse than the German one (1,3 child per woman; Hungary - 1,23), between 2004 and 2012, 2,1 million people left the country. The only consolation on this background is the relatively high life expectancy (76,6 of the year).

Finally, the fifth group of countries is Slovakia ($ 24896), the Czech Republic ($ 26426) and Slovenia ($ 26801). Historically, they are the richest in the Soviet bloc, while the Czech Republic and Slovenia, moreover, belonged more to Western than to Eastern Europe. They are relatively successful. However, the fact, unpleasant for them, is that, following the results of their return to the West, they are still much closer in development to Russia than to Germany, and closer than ever before.

Something like this is happening in the post-Soviet space, ranging from very moderate success to extreme degradation of particularly persistent supporters of the “European choice” in the style of Ukraine and Georgia. We should, at least, learn from their great achievements - and stop tormenting complexes with respect to the unlucky backyards of the European Union.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 13 August 2013 18: 39 New
    36
    I read the article and am proud that I live in Russia, the author very convincingly proves with numbers and colorfully. thank hi Why is everyone so sure that with the entry into the EU, a rain of foreign currency will “shed on their countries,” except for strangling the economy for newcomers, we have not seen anything yet ... request No fools to give money, and if today they give something, then tomorrow they will rip off three skins.
    1. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 13 August 2013 19: 04 New
      +5
      Yes, I’d just like for the Gin coefficient to decrease.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 13 August 2013 19: 23 New
      11
      Quote: seasoned
      I read the article and I’m proud that I live in Russia,

      You are not alone in your pride, Alex. As for hyenas and jackals searching for Runet open spaces, drinking Krylov and drinking prayers on Navalny, laughing Novodvorskys, it’s mold, it grows where it’s damp and dark, it makes it easier to stink from there, being confident about its unique purpose.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 13 August 2013 21: 11 New
        +5
        Hello Victor hi
        Quote: Tersky
        hard drinking Krylov,

        And what kind of Krylov? what If Ivan Andreevich or Academician Krylov, then this is not so bad laughing
      2. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 13 August 2013 22: 15 New
        +3
        Oh, friend, do you think hamsters with their number of convolutions of tsifira will understand these?)
    3. edge
      edge 14 August 2013 02: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: seasoned
      Why is everyone so sure that with the entry into the EU, "currency rain will shed on their countries"

      it is the blue dream of all loafers and beggars fueled by greed.
      1. Basil123
        Basil123 14 August 2013 10: 48 New
        0
        yes BLUE DREAM ................... here heap of pile and send so as not to dream, and then sows trouble am
    4. slava7075
      slava7075 14 August 2013 15: 45 New
      0
      Russia will never be backyards. NEVER!!! Because the country has truly huge geopolitical resources. not money determines the greatness of a country but its capabilities (territory, people and scientific achievements). And money nowadays does not solve anything for a country that does not have the ability to save itself. And it is the ability to "get up" after the fall that determines the strength of the state. Well, we have learned well in our history. But America and Europe, it seems to go.
      1. OLGRIN
        OLGRIN 14 August 2013 16: 47 New
        +2
        Well, the Germans then after two world wars showed how to become. Moreover, their rating after these wars was below the level of sewage.
        With our capabilities, we still need to get up abruptly.
  2. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 13 August 2013 18: 43 New
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    Even if there will be a paradise life in Russia, there will certainly be someone who will say: But on the other hand, same-sex marriages are prohibited in you, which means you are a backward country negative And there will only be request fool
    1. eplewke
      eplewke 14 August 2013 09: 55 New
      +7
      Regarding talent, the Russian people are so ... In a semi-destroyed post-war country, restore production and overtake the whole world in 10 years !!! This is just a miracle!!! Moreover, launch a man into space, make an atomic bomb, build unique ICBMs, build a super fleet! and all this on the ruins of war ... Impressive ...
      Russian Vanka - if he wants to, build factories, make a technological breakthrough, fly to Mars, and pump NATO cancer ...
      We have been living on this for more than 1000 years and we will live as much on our beloved land ...
  3. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 13 August 2013 18: 49 New
    13
    In relation to these countries, RUSSIA has a definite plus- the presence of huge natural reserves of minerals, large territories and talented people- PROSPECTS ARE ..
    This is what annoys all Russophobes there, the poor themselves, both in mind and in talent.
    1. a52333
      a52333 13 August 2013 22: 38 New
      +4
      Your truth, Alexey. Therefore, we must not forget about the allies! (Army, Air Force Navy, Air Defense, and now also cyber military!) Too many, looking at our wealth, begin to involuntarily salivate.
  4. shinobi
    shinobi 13 August 2013 18: 51 New
    +2
    Well, Chechaz at the shaking hands of the fighters with a bloody regime will blow down the roof. Hysteria will embrace a feverish delirium.
  5. Ulan
    Ulan 13 August 2013 18: 54 New
    13
    Great article. That’s the answer to all the “non-landlords” in the former Soviet republics who shouted that they “feed” Russia and, as soon as they separate, they will heal better than “damned masqueals” ... well, like in “Europe”, and Russia will immediately bend without them.
    It turns out the opposite, the well-being of many republics in the USSR was ensured, including at the expense of Russia.
    So migrant workers are going to Russia today not only from the former Soviet republics, but also from the former socialist bloc countries. And then for them it will only get worse.
    Hopes for a freebie did not materialize, and that, as in the movie "The Night Before Christmas," the dumplings themselves would jump into their mouths, too, did not materialize.
    However, this is not a reason for Russia to relax and rest on its laurels. A lot of unresolved problems, a lot of injustice, corruption, permissiveness. In general, there is something to work on.
    As Comrade Stalin said, goals are defined, tasks set, comrades work. smile
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 13 August 2013 19: 35 New
      13
      Why few see the obvious.
      Excellent article.
      On my own, I will add that we survive in the conditions of the complete destruction of the transport infrastructure (we cut off our arms and legs).
      For 22 years, managed to create a new one. The most powerful transport in the world is the pipeline.
      We are trying to restore the logistics of industry, to establish production.
      We change the direction of freight flow.
      We are creating new political and economic structures.
      I do not mention the army - a separate pain.
  6. Very old
    Very old 13 August 2013 19: 02 New
    +9
    Where and what we have is “NOT SO” - we know. Well, and you, critics of Russia, are able to look at yourself? As one famous critic said, serious people operate with numbers
  7. cdrt
    cdrt 13 August 2013 19: 20 New
    +5
    We are waiting for speakers with Nezalezhnoy laughing
    1. BOOTSMANN
      BOOTSMANN 13 August 2013 19: 38 New
      -18
      Quote: cdrt
      We are waiting for speakers with Nezalezhnoy


      Yes, they are really independent.
      And you?
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 13 August 2013 20: 25 New
        +7
        Quote: BOOTSMANN
        Yes, they are really independent.
        And you?

        They are not dependent on themselves.
        We are definitely dependent on ourselves.
        And what's wrong with that?
      2. edge
        edge 14 August 2013 02: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: BOOTSMANN
        Yes, they are really independent

        there are no independent ones (the European suckers simply drive them into a stall, which has repeatedly taken place), well, they don’t want to study .....
      3. dmitrich
        dmitrich 14 August 2013 05: 53 New
        0
        pot calls the kettle black ...
      4. dmitrich
        dmitrich 14 August 2013 05: 54 New
        +1
        they are even independent of themselves.
      5. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 14 August 2013 05: 57 New
        0
        It is they who think that they are independent. And how really
        1. eplewke
          eplewke 14 August 2013 09: 58 New
          +1
          They are independent. At least something they can do without Uncle Sam’s order? In the ass such independence then ..
  8. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 13 August 2013 19: 25 New
    11
    Ukraine is beating in hysteria. Everything that is said in Moscow is seen as an attempt to drag Nenko into the “taiga union”. Perhaps it would be right to leave Ukraine alone with its problems. Not so much time will pass and disappointment will come (as usual) and everything will fall into place!
    1. BOOTSMANN
      BOOTSMANN 13 August 2013 19: 51 New
      -25
      Believe me: not beating.
      Drag Ukraine in there. Union - yes, but it is not Ukraine that needs it, but Russia. So, is something wrong with the "older" brother?
      Ukraine may well live without any alliances, (only normal power would come).
      And now does Russia determine the right to choose? yes than sobssno, you lure Ukraine there? By blackmail and trade wars (Roshen is a recent example)?
      In this way, friends are not made. Ukraine will turn away from Russia - blame only yourself.
      1. Gray-haired Siberian
        Gray-haired Siberian 13 August 2013 20: 27 New
        +9
        You turned away a long time ago and you don’t bloom like May roses. So blame yourself!
      2. erg
        erg 13 August 2013 20: 54 New
        +3
        YOU are not right. A bit of economic theory. One of the conditions for economic prosperity is the situation when there are potential buyers within the country for goods produced in the country. That is, if everything that is produced in the country can be sold domestically. It is clear that we are talking about potential buyers, not real ones. Not everyone needs the goods they produce; naturally, part of the goods will be exported. But the very possibility of selling manufactured goods domestically is important. And this directly depends on the number of people. How did the European Union begin? With the association of coal and steel producers. Since the countries producing these products (Germany, Belgium, etc.) did not find a buyer within their borders, that is, they produced more than they could use. Having united in a union, they got such an opportunity. Thus, the entry of Ukraine into the customs union will increase domestic purchasing power by increasing potential buyers for goods produced by Ukraine already within the borders of countries belonging to the Customs Union. Tk, that there is a benefit, but let Ukraine decide to join or not.
        1. Dmitry 2246
          Dmitry 2246 13 August 2013 21: 48 New
          0
          Looks like we are tossing beads before ...
          Explaining obvious things on the fingers.
      3. agbykov
        agbykov 13 August 2013 21: 07 New
        +2
        Of course, Russia needs this, no one argues. But about the fact that "Ukraine may well live without any alliances" - I do not agree. The scientific approach claims that the criterion of truth is practice, and practice shows that Ukraine cannot live on its own (as it cannot live on its own, for example, the leg, if it is taken away from the body - my opinion) ...
      4. Avenger711
        Avenger711 14 August 2013 03: 14 New
        +1
        Good luck in the sale of motors from Boguslaev.
  9. biglow
    biglow 13 August 2013 19: 32 New
    +5
    Bandera is here in the minority and they have nothing to cover laughing
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 14 August 2013 05: 59 New
      -1
      Only obscenities.
  10. BOOTSMANN
    BOOTSMANN 13 August 2013 19: 35 New
    -17
    Quote: Ulan
    However, this is not a reason for Russia to relax and rest on its laurels.


    What laurels, what are you raving about?
    Yes, if Russia had to buy everything that Ukraine buys, then you would not be sitting at the buttons, but gnawing at the ears of your neighbor (or he is yours) who you killed.
    All the numbers in the article are just statistics, and we are talking about the effectiveness of the economy, and at the same time the appropriateness of such a government, which allows plundering rogues and friends of those in power.
    1. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 13 August 2013 19: 47 New
      +5
      I feel the article you didn’t read, and most likely you didn’t write the answer yourself (well, you couldn’t because of complete illiteracy). And most likely your grandmother wrote according to your dictation, because your grandmother, unlike you, received a normal education even with the independent damned Union laughing
      1. BOOTSMANN
        BOOTSMANN 13 August 2013 20: 11 New
        -18
        Ltd! His grandmother really cursed, because she was born free.
        1. QWERTY
          QWERTY 13 August 2013 21: 16 New
          +7
          The monkeys were free. He wants to eat, wants, I apologize, poops. If your grandmother used any method to raise funds for food, then she was not free.
        2. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 13 August 2013 22: 30 New
          +8
          Quote: BOOTSMANN
          Ltd! His grandmother really cursed, because she was born free.

          I’m very happy for my grandmother, and especially for her granddaughters and great-granddaughters, because the main export commodity is independent - FREEDOM the garnes are young girls, both in the EU and the Russian Federation.
    2. eplewke
      eplewke 14 August 2013 10: 02 New
      +3
      operate on purely personal negative arguments. there is not a drop in your words of truth and argumentation. and the article perfectly argues everything. Learn a little mind and how to clearly, concisely and reasonably express your thoughts, and not splash out with saliva. You are absolutely not competent Comrade Botsman!
    3. Starksa
      Starksa 18 August 2013 00: 57 New
      0
      I just came from Ukraine, I will say one thing, the prices of products like ours and ZP PPC are small
  11. aud13
    aud13 13 August 2013 19: 41 New
    +4
    Russia's exports in 2012 amounted to $ 524 billion (mineral raw materials and fuel - 71,4%, non-oil exports, thus amounting to about $ 150 billion),

    It’s good of course that someone’s worse, but .....
    It is sad that the export of commodities is more than 71%. Moreover, the processing of this raw material is either minimal or non-existent. At the same time, unemployment in Russia is on average 6% of the economically active population, and in some regions of the Caucasus more than 30%.
    Even sadder if you think about the fact that GDP per capita is 23459 dollars, on average at the rate of 30 rubles per dollar = 703 770 rubles. in year. The amount is very large. But this is, on average, like the temperature in a hospital: Someone is in the morgue, and someone is fighting in a fever.
    Actually, the hedgehog works in the Sverdlovsk region (I don’t know how I won’t lie with others), but the official salaries are very low at enterprises of about 12 thousand rubles. And even for such salaries not everyone can get a job.
    1. agbykov
      agbykov 13 August 2013 21: 11 New
      +1
      We are talking about purchasing power parity, not salary, "and not all this amount goes to household income."
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 14 August 2013 06: 04 New
      +3
      If Russia has a lot of raw materials, why refuse to export. Everyone earns as much as he can, but what he spends on what he has earned, then our Head needs to think more.
  12. Yura
    Yura 13 August 2013 19: 56 New
    +8
    The author is a plus, everything is very convincing, everything is provable and hence it is true. While reading the article, I thought it would be nice to draw up graphs for clarity, then I thought that there would be a lot of them if you need to do them in all positions, and then suddenly I imagined a diagram in the form of a number of people from different countries and the growth of these people depended on the average value of the compared indicators, So the Russian man is, after all, a giant compared to many others and for any height more than any other representing the post-Soviet countries, the West did not take into account everything is dark and a lot of lies, they always have everything ok.
  13. darksoul
    darksoul 13 August 2013 20: 25 New
    +2
    article plus, where are the malorosy?
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 13 August 2013 20: 28 New
      0
      Quote: darksoul
      article plus, where are the malorosy?

      Yes!
      Where are the Little Russians?
      1. Nevsky
        Nevsky 13 August 2013 21: 05 New
        0
        Quote: ATATA
        Quote: darksoul
        article plus, where are the malorosy?

        Yes!
        Where are the Little Russians?


        Here! fellow

        What can I say, the case is written. But Ukraine is mentally stuck in a bright wrap, and does not want to wake up, here:

  14. 128mgb
    128mgb 13 August 2013 20: 34 New
    +8
    Quote: BOOTSMANN
    Ltd! His grandmother really cursed, because she was born free.

    You can’t continue further, we know Alekseev well.
    1. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 13 August 2013 22: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: 128mgb
      Quote: BOOTSMANN Ohhh! His grandmother really cursed, because she was born free. You can continue now, we know Alekseev well.

      Such a successful parallel didn’t occur to me. laughing
  15. agbykov
    agbykov 13 August 2013 21: 01 New
    0
    Quote: Ulan
    As Comrade Stalin said, goals are defined, tasks set, comrades work.

    it was not Stalin who said this, but Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev.
  16. Gecko
    Gecko 13 August 2013 21: 11 New
    +7
    About the standard of living can only be understood by the number of cars purchased in 2012
    in Russia - 2.935.111 units per 143.467.990 inhabitants
    in Ukraine - 243.043 units for 45.495.300 inhabitants
    i.e. bought 12 times more than in Ukraine, while the difference in population is only 3,17 times,
    it turns out for the same number of people in Russia almost 4 times more cars are bought
    Housing was commissioned in 2012:
    in Russia - 65,2 million square meters
    in Ukraine - 10,75 million square meters
    those. in Russia they built 6 times more than in Ukraine, or 2 times more for the same number of people
  17. Nevsky
    Nevsky 13 August 2013 21: 14 New
    +5
    Note to the author!

    The article is not fully disclosed, I protest!

    And here are the economic indicators? The main thing is the European spirit, the feeling of the European seven peoples, the main thing is to realize yourself as a European!

    That is, Kiev May 25, 2013 realized for the first time in the 1500 years of the existence of Russia, both pagan and Christian, a GAY parade was held in Kiev under the protection of warrior warriors! Here it is the main VALUE OF EUROPE !!! FREEDOM FROM MORAL !!!



    And I naively thought that the cops will disperse the pid ... in! what
  18. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 13 August 2013 21: 20 New
    +2
    The article is certainly interesting and useful. Thanks to the author for the painstaking selection of facts. Although there are many questions. The statistical data are given in a very generalized way ... One really needs to be proud of these figures ... especially taking into account the fact that after the "wise reign" of Tsar VECHNOPIAN it was left from RUSSIA! And there is something to answer the slander from the gateway of various Moseks. This is encouraging and says that in general we are on the right track!
    So what kind of questions arose - the data are given that the PPPs in Russia are one third higher than Belarus ... And if you look at the structure of this per capita consumption ... where, who and what buys ... In Belarus, the difference between the lowest and the highest salaries - somewhere in the limit of 1 to 4, a maximum of 5. We have 1 to 16-18! And do we get a lot of these maximum wages? Top managers of banks, energy companies, and even, perhaps, the staff of the SKOLKOVO Medvedev! And what do they get on average in our provinces? And there are more than one such issue.
    I’m not slanderous ... I just wanted the authors of such (good again) good article to treat the figures more carefully ... so as not to give the same Pugs an opportunity to “tear apart” our good achievements in forward development!
  19. 12345
    12345 13 August 2013 21: 22 New
    +8
    “There is no such disgrace from which it would not be possible to extract even a small piece of ham” © (German proverb)

    USSR, of course - sorry ... BUT!

    Imagine that now all these same "little brothers" from the now former "countries of people's democracy" would continue to sit on our neck? They would sit and continue to twist their mouths that de they are poorly fed and generally lack freedom.

    And now, they are still sitting on their necks and twisting their mouths. Only already - on the neck of the European Union ...

    Tajik Uzbeks, reproducing at the speed of rabbits, in general - ballast and Russia, IMHO, "assaultly" - correctly dropped it.

    I'm not talking about the rest of the parasites from Africa and the rest of the world.
    Except - Cuba. "Fyodor Kostrov" - sincerely respect, God grant him health.

    By the way, relations with Cuba are getting better. To the gnashing of teeth from the USA.

    "For someone, a glass is half empty, but for someone it is half full ..." ©
  20. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 13 August 2013 21: 35 New
    +2
    It is not clear why Russia joined the WTO? Or get in trouble?
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 14 August 2013 06: 08 New
      0
      Putin probably doesn’t even know this, maybe in order to ruin it from the inside
  21. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 13 August 2013 21: 38 New
    +3
    <<< So, the clear predominance in Ukraine of supporters of the “European choice” over supporters of the choice of the Eurasian (in particular, accession to the Customs Union) is created to a great extent by the conviction that it is senseless to unite with “the same impoverished” (if not more impoverished) Russia, and unclouded belief that EU membership will automatically bring a Western European standard of living. >>>
    And Svidomo say that Ukrainians and Russians are different peoples, These are the peoples of the brothers, even more than that, practically, ONE people! No offense will be said - that they often say “Fools and Roads” about Russian problems, then obviously about Ukrainian problems, the same can be said, judging by the “European choice”! But Russia, taught by bitter experience, gets rid of fools little by little, but Ukraine, it seems, is following their lead!
    1. tarks
      tarks 13 August 2013 23: 08 New
      +4
      The current government and its homunculus are Svidomo, and the people themselves are really different peoples.
  22. Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 13 August 2013 21: 56 New
    +1
    The article is a fat plus! Statistics, if everything is correct (I do not suspect the author of distortions), the thing is very stubborn and does not allow freaking languages ​​to grind all nonsense.
  23. saha471
    saha471 13 August 2013 22: 11 New
    +2
    Thanks to the author. A bit dry, but therefore more truthful! No emotions. Report practically. Research material. But still it is necessary to increase the gap and the standard of our lives. Take control of your own life. Change the constitution and then do what we need. Let foreigners look and think ...
  24. a52333
    a52333 13 August 2013 22: 23 New
    +1
    Thanks to Eugene +++ (Just honey in my heart!). And, by the way, on the farm: the forum often slips comments about the collapsed agricultural sector. Let's have a few figures. Import of grain of the USSR by years gross
    | | 1946-1950 | 1951-1955 | 1956-1960 | 1961-1965 | 1966-1970 | 1970 |
    | ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

    -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

    ---- |
    | Total, million tons | 27,9 | 34,2 | 47,9 | 51,6 | 66,0 | 73,3 |
    | ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

    -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

    ---- |
    | In% | 100 | 123 | 171 | 184 | 237 | 262 |
    -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

    -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

    ----

    EXPORT of grain of the Russian Federation in the figure. So what is falling there? And who?
  25. sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 13 August 2013 23: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: BOOTSMANN
    In this way, friends are not made. Ukraine will turn away from Russia - blame only yourself.


    Simple Ukrainians will blame themselves, who have nothing to share with Russia. But who will you blame, Mr. BOOTSMANN? Most likely, again, to Russia, because it’s so much more familiar, you look, Uncle Sam will throw a pretty penny ...
  26. individual
    individual 13 August 2013 23: 18 New
    0
    Everything is relative!
    fellow
  27. And raid
    And raid 13 August 2013 23: 29 New
    +2
    Russia is a self-sufficient country, just enough and even money, but they are spent quite poorly. The cities are really dirty, a third of the population has drunk and there are no roads. There have been no roads for twenty years and this is already quite tired. Kudrin, in general, a devil-wrecker, turned the country into a millionaire in torn socks (the great p ... adla economist, burn him in hell). Why do we need money if you do not even spend it on what is needed?
  28. buga1979
    buga1979 13 August 2013 23: 36 New
    +4
    Quote: aud13
    Russia's exports in 2012 amounted to $ 524 billion (mineral raw materials and fuel - 71,4%, non-oil exports, thus amounting to about $ 150 billion),

    It’s good of course that someone’s worse, but .....
    It is sad that the export of commodities is more than 71%. Moreover, the processing of this raw material is either minimal or non-existent. At the same time, unemployment in Russia is on average 6% of the economically active population, and in some regions of the Caucasus more than 30%.
    Even sadder if you think about the fact that GDP per capita is 23459 dollars, on average at the rate of 30 rubles per dollar = 703 770 rubles. in year. The amount is very large. But this is, on average, like the temperature in a hospital: Someone is in the morgue, and someone is fighting in a fever.
    Actually, the hedgehog works in the Sverdlovsk region (I don’t know how I won’t lie with others), but the official salaries are very low at enterprises of about 12 thousand rubles. And even for such salaries not everyone can get a job.
    But I don’t have to lie about 12 thousand I live in the city of Serov, Sverdlovsk oblast steel spreader 35 tons salary well, it’s okay, and so the average is 16000-20000 tons and it’s easy to park at the factory, the car is hard to put in, it’s not enough, and yes it’s hard to live, but not about then how bad everyone who wants to live up to norms is spinning and the working class didn’t have chocolate and you can’t live like that, but you don’t have to compare and I remember we brought in someone who could and we cooked soup then it didn’t go to steel and syas well it’s difficult but tolerably better than before
  29. Prishtina
    Prishtina 13 August 2013 23: 53 New
    +7
    Numbers .. numbers .. numbers ..
    And on the fingers (on the example of roads) .. this year I drove 9000km across Russia from Novosib to Rostov and back, but another road ... in short)
    Novosibirsk-Omsk .. without special comments
    Omsk-Ishim .. normal roads where some repairs
    Kurgan .. - aren't you ashamed? !!!! Worse than your sections of the road only the tankodrome! Number 1 with a minus sign
    Chelyabinsk - Ural - mediocre roads. In the Urals, roads are smooth. BUT MAKE THEM WIDE ... the cargo flow is great (even very). Objectively need 4 stripes.
    UFA .. - well, no words .. well done. I tried the Russian highway .. I liked it.
    Samara ..- the guys work .. and very seriously for a couple of hundred km .. they do as I understand the continuation of the Ufa highway. Traffic jams are of course creepy about this .. but all the inconvenience deducts satisfaction from the view where it goes, including and your auto tax wink
    Saransk_ ashamed !!!!! Guys 300km on bumps .. road workers do not see. You have such a governor.
    Further villages .. villages .. villages .. by the way the roads are often better than regionally important .. and take off on the M8 ..
    Hurray to Rostov highway ... but again the sediment remained in front of Rostov .. expand. Total traffic jam. Well, okay .. again they do it, and not just pat.
    Driving through Novosib, Omsk, Ufa, Samara ... an increased impression was created ... that it is customary for us to complain more about life out of habit than it really is. Impressed by Oktyabrsk (Bashkiria), - not a big town. Upon entering it, it seemed that I was in a parallel world) clean, tidy, beautiful, a lot of young people, ideal squares and good roads. Well done.
    Return route ..
    Belgorod_ night .. I am A.Kh.U.-L. the roads are perfectly flat, all in lights, flower pots along the roads, etc. and the like .. I thought to move to you (and already at home A.KH.U.E..l the second time from housing prices in your city)) Well, probably this is the standard of living .. capitalism is his mother.
    Voronezh_ day through the city ... neatly clean .. there were a lot of traffic ... the feeling of a big city ... but inside the city the roads need to be patched up.
    I liked Penza. vanity, 400 years (if not more history), Architecture reminded me of our Siberian Tomsk.
  30. alexander 2
    alexander 2 14 August 2013 00: 50 New
    +3
    Eh, we still need to squeeze our bribe takers and thieves very well. Maybe Putin will make some of his friends anyway?
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 14 August 2013 06: 13 New
      +1
      It’s like in Singapore, the mayor transplanted all relatives and all his friends, and that’s the only way
  31. nonamed
    nonamed 14 August 2013 00: 52 New
    +3
    Quote: darksoul
    article plus, where are the malorosy?

    Another ukrasrach))))
    Earlier, somehow, everything was for the rights of Ukrainians advocated (her citizen himself). And now I looked - it's funny, after all. Politics is GAVNO (there is still such beer) both in Russia and Ukraine. And in Egypt, for example, no better. And people do not really understand what they are for. Today, you will light the Russians through the media and the Internet - they will be ready to go to the Ukrainians with weapons (not all of course, but still). On the other hand, half of Ukraine has long been ready to fight with Russia, and even there were precedents. And so if you talk without prerequisites and preliminary zombies with similar articles and news, then we SUDDENLY turn out to be people who just want to live a normal life. And not even at the expense of the neighbors (hi propaganda).
    But then again the chain - work -> society -> state -> politics with the economy.
    In short - you don’t need to look for bad people and even worse bad nations (read, for example, Stalin’s definition of the term "people"). In general, such emotional outbursts, which were noticed by many commentators, lead only to mental, and subsequently to physical illnesses. Keep your body and mind clean, and obseya ANYWHERE (Ukraine, for example) - you only mess up your soul. Prudent need, gentlemen.
  32. Muadipus
    Muadipus 14 August 2013 02: 14 New
    +7
    Do not believe that everything is so good in races, complete lies. This is a plundered, wretched country, which is in complete world isolation.
    Urgently! This pearl is in print on the front page of all Asian and Caucasian newspapers.
    And also transmit through the intelligence network of all intelligence that “Raska" is bent. Let the State Department rejoice and celebrate the victory.

    I want to say from myself to the whole world: - In Russia, a complete “trend”! do not spend money on missile defense, as nuclear weapons are fiction "komunyak". All reports of large-scale exercises are PR for Shaigu, because there is no Army, these are all inflatable dolls and skillful work of pyrotechnics. We don’t have oil, .. generally there are no minerals. the entire forest has already been cut down and sold to China. So there’s nothing more to steal. Listen to the sage McCain, Russia is a wild country, we have a mad bear in every house. As the main goblin of the great tunda, I order All Pendos to think so, and regularly inspire this to their people and people from Central Asia and in general Asia for another 0 years. Oh yes, Putin is to blame. Speaking of him, Putin is none other than Sauron himself in human guise, bringing pestilence to all the people who will stare at the lands of Morgan.

    Threat. Great and Mighty Ukraine could buy gas more expensive, show mercy to the impoverished and fading Russia.
  33. picnic
    picnic 14 August 2013 03: 01 New
    +5
    The article is good. Just do not understand, is Russia really trying to drag Ukraine into the vehicle? Why does she need Ukraine? Does Russia have a few parasites? I think that Russia will not pull Ukraine out. God forbid that Russia has enough of its GDP to feed its people. Why would she still have several tens of millions of parasites.
    Let the European Union feed them. The only pity is that in the European Union Ukraine will slide down to the level “below the baseboard”. Since the EU needs at this time only markets, and Ukraine is just right for this. The countries of Europe are self-sufficient countries and they do not need anything Ukrainian in principle, both now and in the foreseeable future. As a result, all the remaining rudiments of Ukrainian industry will be ordered to live long.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 14 August 2013 05: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Picnic
      ... I don’t understand, is Russia really trying to drag Ukraine into the vehicle? Why does she need Ukraine? Does Russia have a few parasites? ...

      Perhaps the most important thing.
      A large and capacious common market allows you to create (restore) large and competitive enterprises.
      Objectively, it is beneficial for the economies and people of the CU countries. It is not beneficial to individual politicians and oligarchs of a raw material orientation.
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 14 August 2013 06: 16 New
      +1
      You want to say the conquests of Catherine-2 like this to take and quit, not in a businesslike way.
  34. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 14 August 2013 05: 31 New
    +3
    The article is dedicated to all ignoramuses and visionaries in the post-Soviet space. To all the liberals who hate us strong. To all Democrats who want our wealth.
    I can tell all of them one thing: Try not to lie about us for at least a year. We do not need your love. We need honest partnerships.
  35. DimychDV
    DimychDV 14 August 2013 06: 30 New
    +4
    You write - Russia is the fifth world economy. Maybe, by the mass of money, this is so. Due to oil, gas and forest. And the import of nuclear waste.
    And where are all our industries and agriculture? Where is the employment? In the Far East, we have a portrait of a generation of 30-year-old villagers - one guy with a company car, work, home and family - for 15-30 peers who have never officially worked anywhere in their life. Earn money from grandmothers in the gardens in order to drink money on the same day. Unless in vocational schools they turned out to be machine operators, served in the army on tanks and infantry fighting vehicles - but returned when all the tractors and combines were already scrapped. Therefore, probably, these scourges, who have not forgotten the roar of friction clutches yet, should be extinct by someone today, so that there would be nobody, just what, to put on military levers ...
    In the rural area, where I worked 25 years ago, there were 10 state farms + 1 military, five providing the whole district with agrobrands (canal pumps, agricultural machinery, Agrotrans, agrochem and something else). Today in their place there are about the same number of agricultural production cooperatives of a few dozen people each, the fields are overgrown, the dairy herd has been so shocked that until now, already in a row for about 20 years, vultures from China have been circling over the area, as in Gold Mackens "of some kind. Sude in an empty field - the size of a ram bird, looking scared. And the ravens divorced - but in the 70s and 80s I don’t remember a single raven in the fields and villages.
    In Nakhodka, the fishing company - the largest in the region - has either 11 or 19 mining vessels. And before, there were more than a hundred of them, and the fishing area was from New Zealand (Antarctic waters) to the Indian Ocean, and from the northern part of the Pacific Ocean to the coastal regions of Peru and Chile. I did not have a single acquaintance (and I am hyper-sociable) who would work in production. All or officials, or the driver, or cult-medical-ped-workers.
  36. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 14 August 2013 09: 40 New
    +1
    Little Russians are trapped on both sides - on the one hand, their home-grown oligarchs do not want Russian influence, on the other hand, their own show-offs do not allow the impossibility of self-sufficiency of the Ukrainian economy. their production in Europe (or rather Germany, it now rules in Europe, Hitler’s dream came true without war) is not necessary at all, Germany is the only country in Europe with a powerful, and most importantly, with a developing production component of the economy. and Europe (Germany) does not intend to change this alignment at all.
    most likely it will be like this: the Kh.Okhly go to Europe (not soon, they will be far too long), will be sold to the skin and there will be a big booze ... and then, perhaps, they will be pulled to the TS.
  37. shark
    shark 14 August 2013 10: 16 New
    0
    "Ukrainians! Do not believe that everything is so good in races, complete lies. This is a plundered, miserable country, which is in complete world isolation. They certainly have friends - Tajiks, Uzbeks, ... and so on ... from all over the union. Their it’s full here - only here they feel comfortable because no country, including Ukraine, will allow its own population to be bent, as is done in the rashka "(spelling preserved, some incorrect wording removed - the author of the pearl lives in St. Petersburg)." -And this Judah, who, out of malice or stupidity, should dishonor his homeland so much and punish him approximately. If we don’t exterminate people like him, they will put sticks in Russia for life. As Zhirinovsky said yesterday, “NATO will to Moscow, so they will dress the whole NATO’s uniform "Such as this, driving the nation into a depression, cause enormous harm to our state. Of course, I understand democracy, etc. But democracy does not imply an insult to one’s own people and the homeland.
    And there is something to be proud of for your country. Go through such cataclysms and remain one of the leading countries in the world-feat!
  38. vkrav
    vkrav 14 August 2013 10: 48 New
    0
    And in Ukraine, sheer polypshennya and crumbling against the backdrop of chronic independence and lack of solidity from common sense. I will not dig into the depths, from the latter:
    All transfers from abroad are forcibly converted to hryvnia:
    http://podrobnosti.ua/economy/2013/08/04/921630.html
    Type of state begins to switch to settlements with enterprises with bills of exchange:
    http://newsradio.com.ua/rus/2013_04_19/Raschet-vekseljami-privedet-k-obvalu-jeko
    nomiki-Ukraini-nardep /
    In short, oath girsche and girce oaths live, and tilki in rydnoy Ukraine uyus faynesenko and garnesenko laughing .
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  40. T-100
    T-100 14 August 2013 11: 03 New
    +1
    I believe in my dreams, here is one of them
    1. volkodav
      volkodav 19 August 2013 13: 49 New
      0
      laughed heartily
  41. Russ69
    Russ69 14 August 2013 11: 13 New
    0
    I read the article and comments. Even a little surprised!
    But shaw, Putin is not accused of habit ... smile

    Well, plus an article, do not always spread rot yourself ...
  42. morpogr
    morpogr 14 August 2013 11: 17 New
    +1
    An indicator of the standard of living is the presence of migrant workers from all post-Soviet countries in RUSSIA and the departure of Russians from these countries to their homeland.
  43. Basil123
    Basil123 14 August 2013 11: 23 New
    0
    Actually, the hedgehog works in the Sverdlovsk region (I don’t know how I won’t lie with others), but the official salaries are very low at enterprises of about 12 thousand rubles. And even for such salaries, not everyone can get a job. [/ Quote]
    I work. 25-35 I earn money I went into employment, I looked at the vacancies of darkness zp 20-30t. directors are required, deputies, etc., but people don’t go working as a technician at school, a woman is an economist and does not want to go by profession request I am told it’s good. On the same Internet, you have to look at so many vacancies ............ Yes, you need to go somewhere and where you want to earn money you need to fuss
    1. wown
      wown 14 August 2013 17: 44 New
      0
      and you live on 35 ??????? or exist ...
  44. max702
    max702 14 August 2013 11: 41 New
    +1
    I found someone’s diploma thesis on the economy of the USSR for a long time, there it was examined for 79 years, and so the situation was very similar to that described in this article, of all the republics of the USSR, only the RSFSR was the donor who fed everyone, only the Ukrainian SSR and BSSR were less equal in terms of return as for consumption, and the Baltic countries for each ruble of return received two three for development, in the rest of the republics in general darkness and Georgia was at the head of all this robbery ... like in this article, alas, I got acquainted with this info a long time ago and the source was not preserved.
  45. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 14 August 2013 12: 24 New
    -3
    I don’t understand, it’s necessary to praise your country, but Russia takes advantage of the huge backlog of the former USSR, which the whole country created, since the Ukrainians mainly mastered oil and gas production in the north, mainly Ukrainians were engaged in construction projects in the north (they went to the north to build uncle and uncles to quickly buy a cooperative apartment in Kiev), and Russian Russians mostly plump all night, and then plow during the day, plow plow. Look at the Russian villages, young people in the streets in the cemetery after Chechnya (told by a familiar mother who lives in the Voronezh region), those who remained alcoholics. A weed in the yard, if not waist-deep, is not a weed, it is imperceptible ... Three paths from the gate to the side of the house, toilet (if any), to the shed through the forest ...
    And here is the attitude of the Russian border guards who moved the Ukrainian fishermen:
    The incident killed four citizens of Ukraine - Yuriy Boyko, Dmitry Daragan, Sergey Erokhin and Yevgeny Dudnik. The only surviving fisherman, Alexander Fedorovich, was hospitalized in the Yeisk hospital. When he came to his senses, a week after the incident, he told Ukrainian television his version of the events: “They (the border guards - Ed.) Twice cut us like that, it seemed like they just wanted to move us. I don’t know the guy who was behind the wheel "How he avoided them twice. And the third time they went around behind us, turned around and went into the forehead with a ram. There was a clean ram!" link-http: //delo.ua/ukraine/incident-s-ukrainskimi-rybakami-mozhet-privesti-k-
    diplomatichesk-212327 /? supdated_new = 1376468282
    So sho 50/50 now divided Ukrainian society, it is clear that the fate of Ukraine is ours and ours.
    1. Tartary
      Tartary 14 August 2013 16: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: So_o_tozh
      I don’t understand, it’s necessary to praise your country, but Russia enjoys a huge backlog of the former USSR, which the whole country created, since the Ukrainians mainly mastered oil and gas production in the north, mainly Ukrainians were engaged in construction projects in the north (I went to the north to build my father and uncle to quickly buy a cooperative apartment in Kiev), and Russian Russians mostly plump all night, and then plow during the day, plow plow.

      It’s necessary to treat the head ...
      Or if not being treated, then take a ticket for train number 54 and go along the route Kharkiv - Vladivostok (if there is such a route) ...
      Urzhal, however, from such a statement ...)))
      Russian thump ??
      Thumps, males, lazy marginals. There is no difference who they are by nationality, Russians or Ukrainians, or Belarusians, Lithuanians or what Kenyans ...)))

      Teach materiel, but not on the globe of Ukraine and the promotion of Svidomo ...)))
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 14 August 2013 19: 39 New
      0
      What other cemeteries do I have from the city for 200 thousand people in the first Chechen 4 (four) people died. Enough already to carry nonsense. And anyway, how much do they pay you for writing nonsense here?
  46. Flooding
    Flooding 14 August 2013 12: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: BOOTSMANN
    Drag Ukraine in there. Union - yes, but it is not Ukraine that needs it, but Russia. So, is something wrong with the "older" brother?

    Or maybe something is wrong with the head? According to your canine-footed logic, in the USA, generally collapse. There they eat the whole world with their order and democracy. So what does this mean in your opinion? That's right, your older brother, what’s the brother there, I will cut the truth, the uterus in the eye - your master is not all right.
    And Russia is trying to expand its influence. And not just anywhere, but in fraternal Ukraine. There is nothing wrong with that. The decision is up to the Ukrainians.
    Quote: BOOTSMANN
    In this way, friends are not made. Ukraine will turn away from Russia - blame only yourself.

    Who is Ukraine? What is Ukraine?
    600 thousand square kilometers cannot turn away. So God judged that the Ukrainian land was, is and will be next to the Russian. You can’t turn it around and turn it around.
    Ukrainian people? So ask them if they want in the vehicle. I think we all have grown wiser over the past 20 years.
    Ukrainian elite? So let it turn its face. Yes, only soon the people will begin to knock on these same faces.
    Quote: erg
    One of the conditions for economic prosperity is the situation when there are potential buyers within the country for goods produced in the country. That is, if everything that is produced in the country can be sold domestically.

    Quote: erg
    How did the European Union begin? With the association of coal and steel producers. Since the countries producing these products (Germany, Belgium, etc.) did not find a buyer within their borders, that is, they produced more than they could use.

    There is a clear contradiction in the wording. It turns out according to your economic prosperity - when the country's economy produces no more than it can itself consume? And if more, then what is it? Stagnation? Decline?
  47. volkodav
    volkodav 14 August 2013 13: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: So_o_tozh
    I don’t understand, it’s necessary to praise your country, but Russia takes advantage of the huge backlog of the former USSR, which the whole country created, since the Ukrainians mainly mastered oil and gas production in the north, mainly Ukrainians were engaged in construction projects in the north (they went to the north to build uncle and uncles to quickly buy a cooperative apartment in Kiev), and Russian Russians mostly plump all night, and then plow during the day, plow plow. Look at the Russian villages, young people in the streets in the cemetery after Chechnya (told by a familiar mother who lives in the Voronezh region), those who remained alcoholics. A weed in the yard, if not waist-deep, is not a weed, it is imperceptible ... Three paths from the gate towards the house, toilet (if any), into the shed through the forest ... But the attitude of the Russian border guards who were moved by Ukrainian fishermen: The incident killed four citizens of Ukraine - Yuriy Boyko, Dmitry Daragan, Sergey Erokhin and Eugene Dudnik. The only surviving fisherman, Alexander Fedorovich, was hospitalized in the Yeisk hospital. When he came to his senses, a week after the incident, he told Ukrainian television his version of the events: “They (the border guards - Ed.) Twice cut us like that, it seemed like they just wanted to move us. I don’t know the guy who was behind the wheel as he evaded them twice. And the third time they went around behind us, turned around and went into the forehead with a ram. There was a clean ram! " link-http: //delo.ua/ukraine/incident-s-ukrainskimi-rybakami-mozhet-privesti-k-
    diplomatichesk-212327 /? supdated_new = 1376468282 So 50/50 now divided Ukrainian society, you can see the fate of Ukraine and ours and yours.

    Taunted H.O.H.O.L. laughing First, answer one question, “WHO RESTORED or created from scratch the industry of the Ukrainian SSR after the Second World War?” You are also hurt by industry and military equipment was not weak, who is to blame for what you yourself asked for ... whether there are five years left to cut the scrap for scrap and then you will be happy. GOOD LUCK in the geyropa are great Ukrainians, and we ourselves cabbage soup with meat bast shoes weep with envy at you how free you are in fornication (even your president acknowledged that the problem of export of prostitution in Ukraine exists), and gay parades
  48. Flooding
    Flooding 14 August 2013 13: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: So_o_tozh
    I don’t understand, it’s necessary to praise your country, but Russia enjoys a huge backlog of the former USSR, which the whole country created

    So why did Ukraine prosral its backlog? Or was it not one of the most industrialized republics of the USSR?
    Quote: So_o_tozh
    So, Ukrainians mastered oil and gas production in the north mainly, Ukrainians also engaged in construction projects in the north (dad and uncles went to the north to build a quicker cooperative apartment in Kiev to buy), and Russian Russians mostly thumped all night, and then plow in the afternoon, plow plow.

    And you, my friend, he’s still a jerk. Since my uncle traveled north, it means that there are no Russians there either. You don’t know what you don’t know. Now there are so many Russians settled from the north to the chernozem lands, and they still go on shift all the time. And he tryndit that Ukrainians mastered the north, and the Russians thumped. And then there is probably no one else except from Ukraine to go for a long ruble. And the Moldavians have also been there and are there, but such nonsense did not occur to anyone.
    Quote: So_o_tozh
    Look at the Russian villages, young people in the streets in the cemetery after Chechnya (told by a familiar mother who lives in the Voronezh region), those who remained alcoholics. A weed in the yard, if not waist-deep, is not a weed, it is imperceptible ... Three paths from the gate to the side of the house, toilet (if any), to the shed through the forest ...

    You go to my native Sumy region. And look at what the villages there turned into. Ruins ... Of the five houses, it’s good if old people or gypsies live in one.
  49. Colonelic
    Colonelic 14 August 2013 13: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Dmitry 2246
    Why few see the obviousExcellent article ...
    Right I support ...
  50. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 14 August 2013 14: 35 New
    -1
    [quote = Flood] [quote = So_o_tozh] I don’t understand it is necessary to praise your country, but Russia takes advantage of the enormous backlog of the former USSR that the whole country created [/ quote]
    So why did Ukraine prosral its backlog? Or was it not one of the most industrialized republics of the USSR? [/ Quote]
    I agreed, but basically we have an assembly of components, the final products were collected in the Russian Federation. Read carefully the post- the destruction of enterprises is the same as ours, due to the breakdown of economic ties, but earning 70% of oil and gas exports and thereby boosting the economy, you also need to remember who mastered these harsh lands at one time. I repeat once again ask any oil, gas producer mainly these were Ukrainians. And now they are getting hungry here, we’re all so cool here, everything is growing, it’s building up, it rises, we’ll squeeze the entire Eastern Europe to the fingernail, Baltic dwarfs and Ukrainians get confused current underfoot, but we’ll swallow everyone to grow up ...

    [quote = So_o_tozh] so the oil and gas production in the north was mainly developed by Ukrainians, the Ukrainians were mainly engaged in construction projects in the north (dad and uncle went to the north to build a quicker cooperative apartment in Kiev to buy out), and Russian Russians basically thump all night, and then plow in the afternoon, plow plow. [/ quote]
    And you, my friend, he’s still a jerk. Since my uncle traveled north, it means that there are no Russians there either. You don’t know what you don’t know. Now there are so many Russians settled from the north to the chernozem lands, and they still go on shift all the time. And he tryndit that Ukrainians mastered the north, and the Russians thumped. And then there is probably no one else except from Ukraine to go for a long ruble. And the Moldavians have also been there and are there, but such nonsense did not occur to anyone. [/ Quote]

    [quote = So_o_tozh] Look at the Russian villages, youth the whole streets in the cemetery after Chechnya (said a familiar mother who lives in the Voronezh region), those who remained alcoholics. The weeds in the yard, if not waist-deep, then this is not weeds, it is imperceptible ... Three paths from the gate to the side of the house, toilet (if any), to the shed through the forest ... [/ quote]
    You go to my native Sumy region. And look at what the villages there turned into. Ruins ... Of the five houses, it’s good if old people or gypsies live in one. [/ Quote]
    You yourself are ashamed to admit: yes, we drink in black, therefore, in the whole Russian village normal huts with a clean yard and a garden are only among local Ukrainians, if any.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 14 August 2013 19: 44 New
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      We have no devastation. KRAZ is what products? Semi-finished or finished? So why does the whole plant produce trucks per year as much as KAMAZ per week? By the way, KAMAZ, despite the fire of the 93rd, already in the 97th began to make a profit. Motor Sich losing the Russian market is also semi-finished? Oh yeah, recently, like BP, I put it on Ukrainian pipes with a parting.