Flaming August. Documentary film by A.Sladkov

A flashback movie about the August events of 2008. Its author, who happened to be a direct participant in the events, five years later remembers them, describing the unusual fate of people who were then at the epicenter of events.

Author: Alexander Sladkov

Comments

[volkodav]

it was especially striking when Commander Khrulyov set the task of launching a missile bomb, and he was told that there is no connection with aviation, and in general they work on their own. In place of Khrulyov, a couple of headquarters officers had to be shot to hell with the NS. What kind of interaction, where is the work of the headquarters? What for then to keep so many star-clowns in headquarters? Only in order for them to transfer stars on uniform from one place to another?

[Lopatov]

Then he should have shot himself. In the situation created with the connection, it is his own fault.

[volkodav]

Well, why did he need then the chief of communications, the chief of staff, he as a commander could not ensure the coordinated work of the army headquarters, and then there was one question: why then do we need these links in the management chain as an army division? there are so many extra people and one Petka company Sashka platoon and Vanka private. NAFIGA do they all need these colonel majors at headquarters if they cannot provide interaction? And provide all with all kinds of allowances, create the conditions for work, they think the same thoughts - dive

[Lopatov]

In any case, their efforts would be lost in vain due to the fact that Khrulyov, instead of fulfilling his direct responsibilities for the general management of the group, began to steer directly with companies and platoons. Over the head of the commanders of battalions and companies that had real combat experience. Army headquarters is required to provide control and communications at this level.

One episode of taxiing them with a column is worth something. When he drove her into an ambush, and only the low preparation of the Georgians did not allow him to arrange a full card. But he honestly earned his bullet in the buttocks. It is a pity only those who died due to the fact that he took up a business in which he does not understand anything.

[Corsair]

Quote: volkodav

NAFIGA do they need all these colonel majors at headquarters if they cannot provide interaction?

It is necessary to deal with the Army like Lukashenko with his parliament - to re-play and re-play, but without FANATISM, without sliding into 1937 ...
In headquarters and troops only THINKING capable people TAKE и IMPLEMENT decisions made.

[2vladim2]

And how can everything be provided to everyone without getting up from chairs? They didn’t even go to the units. This was called their reference. Now they began to arrange sudden (training) alarms. And then? They sat and sat in the headquarters. They dusted off the gingerbread cookies. And they felt so good! But when it touched, then all the flaws got out. Now it’s harder to serve them. And they are probably not very happy with this. But they will sit until they are asked to leave. And about Khrulev speak badly? I wouldn’t say that about him like that. He made the decisions himself and fought. Note, without communication.

[creak]

Those who served knew that communications were never a strong point of our Armed Forces ... But the most important thing was not this - the lack of interaction with aviation was primarily due to the fact that, contrary to the experience gained in Afghanistan and the objections of specialists, army aviation in 2003 . was transferred to the Air Force and therefore they worked on their own and the army command they already set the tasks as before. And the aviation headquarters of specialists in the use of aviation in the interests of the Ground Forces was about two times and miscalculated. How easy it is to dispose of other people's lives, seeing the battle from the sidelines and when you yourself are not in danger .. So with the shootings, it’s more accurate to shoot staff officers because the Minister of Defense (not Serdyukov) ruled stupidity and that - the aircraft would immediately appear above the battlefield. .. So what?

[Sirocco]

Quote: volkodav

What for then to keep so many star-clowns in headquarters?

Well, how the fig? The salary of the top commanding staff is not small, and as recent events show, starting with the Chechen company, they are now going to the army to receive money, and not to earn, but when it comes time to work out this salary, in the form of defending the Motherland, then there are those who wish much less. (Immediately there are sick, lame, and who do not fight with the "population") My opinion is that it is time for these thieves from the top command staff, to drive them out of the army with a broom, and to promote competent officers who know their job. I don't know who said, but golden words. The spoiler is not so terrible as the spoiler with initiative.

[Starshina wmf]

Yes, it’s a trash then in the Ministry of Emergencies runs there now, too, the salary is high. And so they are full in the Ministry of Emergency Situations, army, That the army was not competent, that the Ministry of Emergency Situations are stupid people. They brought up army orders, one drill. There is no time to deal with direct duties.

[leon-iv]

Again they are trying to justify Khrulev. The fact that he is not to blame the SSZB except him.

[volkodav]

Yes, I’m not trying to justify it, it’s just not clear why there are so many of them (headquarters), but there’s no sense in them as always, only extra haemo

[Terrible ensign]

Thanks to the site administration! I didn’t have time to watch on TV ... I’ll look here!

[OCD]

9.08.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX I don’t remember exactly the call sign “Volga” or “Volna”, it was used by artillery. They worked well. Thanks.

[Lopatov]

Most likely the Volga. Gunners love the names of the rec- tradition. Since the days of the USSR.

[krpmlws]

The situation with communications, weak interaction is typical for our army, unfortunately. A similar situation was at the beginning of the Second World War. Also, the absence of reconnaissance, combat protection. So even the Nazi General Routh, in his book, was perplexed when his tank division at Stalingrad destroyed a Soviet cavalry division marching without any reconnaissance. He simply ambushed the tanks on the opposite slopes of the heights and within a few minutes the Germans defeated the division. It's bad that it is not customary in our army to study, to carry out obvious and necessary things. All tactics are built in the hope of a Russian soldier. Here in the film: "- We will all go to bed. - I know (in a calm tone)." The expression is known: "The heroism of a soldier is a consequence of the commander's mistake." We constantly step on the same rake, this is Is it really that nothing will change in our army in the future?

[7ydmco]

The expression about heroism and the commander’s mistake was already sorely filled with his delirium. From this side, try to substantiate the feat of Gastello. I don’t get it, I think.
Regarding security, it depends on the commander, but they naturally are different in any army. But Katukov, by the way, brought down many of the tower’s fascists acting precisely from tank ambushes. And the terrain is also different.

[Lopatov]

Quote: 7ydmco

From this side, try to substantiate the feat of Gastello. I don’t get it, I think.

Thinking in vain. The DB-3 long-range bombers are not designed to bombard motor convoys with two airplanes in the afternoon.

[Corsair]

Quote: Spade

Thinking in vain. The DB-3 long-range bombers are not designed to bombard motor convoys with two airplanes in the afternoon.

The fact of the thoughtless use of the TU 22M3, which is actually a "small strategic" bomber, which formally ceased to be such after dismantling the air refueling system from it at the request of the United States, which significantly limited its range. But the aircraft is really "large" for the role a front-line "bomber" is completely unsuitable, it has other tasks, including the defeat of anti-ship missiles of strike groups of the enemy fleet on the distant lines of interception.
Probably everyone remembers the episode with the cow huntsman Kuzmich (the film "Peculiarities of the National Hunting") "expanding" in the bomb bay TU 22M3 ...
It is hard to imagine what guided those who decided the question of their application without proper preparation and intelligence.
It’s sad that without thinking we are losing people, but I don’t want to talk about the damage to the prestige of the army and the Air Force ...

[7ydmco]

We must proceed from the realities of the situation when the enemy was torn to the east and there was no strength to stop it. Then it was necessary to use all means to suspend his promotion. Or do you think that it was better to drape but to spare equipment and people? It’s easier and more correct (according to this logic) to capitulate Therefore, the commander was right.

[leon-iv]

Yes, and many thanks to Sladkov for the film and many other programs.

[Hleb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I02CeG6fss

[Hamul]

How are we doing there? winners are not judged?
Guys, let's be honest - the film is custom-made and the customer is the RF Ministry of Defense. Lovely one.
Where are the mistakes Khrulev made when he was ambushed by Georgian special forces? They wanted to be winners and quicker - forward forward to the frontline .... and the guy died covering this very journalist ....
Correctly, someone said about the heroism of the soldier and the mistakes of the command-offset!

Let me remind you something else, that our servicemen, having reached the warehouses and barracks of the Georgian military unit, took out everything that was possible and impossible from there, as eyewitnesses say - they dragged even double-glazed windows and Amer’s boots from the dead. Of course, you can say that they were Abkhazians - but why calm themselves down? - Marauders damn it.
For those who do not believe - I can say - ask ... WHERE IS IT IN THE FILM?

[Geokingxnumx]

Quote: Hamul

Where are the mistakes Khrulev made when he was ambushed by Georgian special forces?

I'm just right here!
there was no ambush, and it was not special forces, but a reconnaissance detachment, which themselves did not know that the small column was moving in their direction! surprise were like Russians as well as Georgians

[Lopatov]

Quote: Hamul

WHERE IS THIS IN A FILM?

What for? Let those who do not know the realities of war remain ignorant.

The Georgian leadership simply had nothing to start this show, there was nothing to count on the sluggish reaction of Russia, there was nothing to spit on the fact that the two most combat-ready divisions in the RF Armed Forces, the 19th and 42nd, were nearby.
In the end, there was nothing to kill Z. Zhvania, who was a consistent supporter of peaceful solutions, and who had advanced far in that direction.

They got what they got- war. And the marauder is as inevitable as shooting and field ditches.

[7ydmco]

Naturally custom-made, if the opinion differs from ECHO, it means custom-made, to be exact, trust me
Why is he a journalist?
Do you want everything to be like in stupid toys, without losses and mistakes? then play only in them, life is a little different

[smersh70]

The head of the Kokoity car depot looks especially funny ..... rejoices at the downing of a Russian plane .... at 12 minutes ... the citizens of South Ossetia did the right thing when they did not elect him in the elections ..... well, his masters showed him the door after shamefully escaping from Tskhinvali .........

[Bugor]

Well, how so, without communication? Well, how so? The twenty-first century ... I have no words .... I just don't know the anger, even who ... The most warring district in the country, and such a mess? The experience of the Second World War, Afghanistan, Chechnya, etc. - where is he? Maybe we don’t need this MO at all? This is just a crime against their own soldiers ... They are rushing around ears about tanks with super-duper characteristics, about planes of almost the 6th generation, but here it is ... Columns are ambushed, we are knocking down our own planes. Without communication, all this is a mountain of metal and no more.
Shoigu, Serdyukov, Ustinov-Yazov-Grechko-uncle Vanya-Petya is your mother, so HOW?

[7ydmco]

This is called a roasted country, and these are only consequences.

[Digston]

Awesome movie! Thanks to the author!
Special thanks to the Heroes!

[max702]

I don’t know why many people think that in the war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX Russia showed the strength of its army, for me it’s quite the opposite, there is the general incompetence of the generals, the mediocre work of the staffs, the glaring proser intelligence of everything and everything, and the impotence and indecision of the top leadership as a final chord. What did we learn from this war? But the fact that planning and staff work is useless, there is no interaction between the arms of the troops as a class, there is no connection as it was, there was no spying on the intelligence, logistical support was left to chance, there were really no new models of equipment and armament in the troops, only one bright spot is the Russian SOLDIER as he was and remains an invincible warrior on this planet, his heroism, his valor and his blood, as always leveling all those shortcomings that are listed above.

[creak]

You forgot to mention another "commander" S. Ivanov, who from 2001 to 2007 headed the Ministry of Defense and broke a lot of firewood, including with the army aviation. True, now he successfully rules the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation. The trouble is that after General Rodionov, a competent and decent military leader, there were no more professionals at the helm of the Ministry of Defense. And Rodionov was quickly removed and replaced by a more flexible one of their own with all the consequences ... The trouble is if the boots start to be worn by the pastry ...

[Regis]

Quote: max702

I don’t know why many people think that in the war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX Russia showed the strength of its army, for me it’s quite the opposite, there is the general incompetence of the generals, the mediocre work of the staffs, the glaring proser intelligence of everything and everything, and the impotence and indecision of the top leadership as a final chord. What did we learn from this war? But the fact that planning and staff work is useless, there is no interaction between the arms of the troops as a class, there is no connection as it was, there was no spying on the intelligence, logistical support was left to chance, there were really no new models of equipment and armament in the troops, only one bright spot is the Russian SOLDIER as he was and remains an invincible warrior on this planet, his heroism, his valor and his blood, as always leveling all those shortcomings that are listed above.

With all due respect, one cannot win much by heroism alone.
For example, the Japanese during the Second World War and the Islamists now are fanatically devoted to the idea, but they lose all the same.
And to make hopeless cowards out of Georgians and stupid, I would not.

Our army has proved that the period of its degradation is over and it is quite combat-ready.

P.S. If Georgia, for example, in the late 90s had the same army as in 2008, we would simply wipe up the "bloody snot" and complain to the UN.

[shezar]

five years after the outbreak of Georgia’s aggression against South Ossetia, Lieutenant General Anatoly Khrulev talked about the details of operations to force Georgia to peace http://jpgazeta.ru/glavniy_o_glavnom/samyy-dlinnyy-den-voyny/

[Hleb]

"fighters" transmit from the scene

[old man54]

some fool with a camera! They stand, swear and laugh! I'm in shock! They threw the equipment, there are not even attempts to put it behind warehouses, to shelter from shelling. But the laurels of the Kansk festival do not give these peace of mind, in a trench, they remove everything!

[7ydmco]

Well, I made a little of what’s wrong with that, but I didn’t give up the position.

[Zybrov]

The houses behind the keyboard are all smart, The life of these guys is more expensive than all this iron. And in general this whole war is a theater - I personally knew that the war with Georgia will be from the fall of 2006. Our paratroopers said that there will be a war with Georgia and are preparing them for it. For certain people, everything was known in advance, when Saakashvili came to power, it became clear that wars could not be avoided, they bought weapons for 4 years, increased and trained the army, and what do you think was unnoticed ??? Why brought to the war? why not warned? why were these guys left under attack? Yes, because it was a geopolitical game that won no matter what the cost. Here the guys sat in their trench, survived and did the right thing.

[old man54]

Quote: Zybrov

All smart at home behind the keyboard

are you probably for yourself, is it not otherwise?

Quote: Zybrov

, The life of these guys is more precious than all this iron.

I agree, but it so happened that at that time they were soldiers and were in the war, and not "Mikhalkov's" "citadels" filming. Therefore, you have to be a soldier in war, and not pose and lumbar in front of the camera. I personally mean it!

Quote: Zybrov

I personally knew that the war with Georgia will be from the fall of 2006

You are probably from the GRU, or at least from the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, I understand correctly?

[Lech from ZATULINKI]

agree snot chews

[Dimka off]

RPG and 4 grenades to it "walk" in the trench. Need to use. The tanks are coming. And maybe they would have knocked out a couple of tanks.

[7ydmco]

I think they cover their direction, they don’t leave the position without an order.

[alexmaneger]

source
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYG-vVAg7J4

"Save at any cost"

[sergey158-29]

Well, when will the GENERALS begin to RESPOND to their HEAD for the life of a SOLDIER ...

[bublic82009]

the commander’s mistake leads to the feat of a soldier. if this happens, then glory to the soldier and the shooting of the commander.

[sellrub]

Quote: Spade

Then he should have shot himself. In the situation created with the connection, it is his own fault.

It does not surprise me that non-professionals come to this site. In Russia, all are LARGE specialists in military affairs. .... Even housewives with elementary school education. There are aircraft of different levels of submission. This video shows the moment of an attempt to enter into interaction with aviation of a higher level of submission.
And .... maybe the commander was supposed to take control of the Space Forces?
War is war. The front-line aviation commander ALSO had "some" task. And, presumably, the commander of the front-line aviation coped with the combat mission.
When it’s PERE-DEAD, wise men waving their personal weapons with the desire to shoot someone for something.

[Corsair]

Quote: sellrub

It does not surprise me that non-professionals come to this site.

The site was not positioned as a "get-together for the pros", its tasks and "audience" are wider ...

[fluke]

Victory cost dearly. Particularly striking are the poorly dressed soldiers of different colors, as if from the First Chechen shot no more than 10 years have passed. Similarly with equipment - BMP-1, T-62 and so on. But how could one be ambushed in such a way? Is it simple and stupid to ambush, did intelligence work be carried out on the ground? What did the army commander do in the front column?
There is no connection with aviation, they even shot at their own downed pilot. There are no modern means of communication, all the same antediluvian radios of 20 kg each.
And it is not surprising that officers quit after this circus, in which no one laughs and people die.
A lot of questions, a lot. They won so quickly and without huge losses solely due to the perseverance, courage and steadfastness of the military, as well as cowardice and poor readiness of the enemy.
Painfully often, everything happens under "Glory to the soldiers, shame to the generals".

I am glad that now in the same 58th Army everything is on a completely different level in terms of equipment and readiness.
Although, I think, problems of an organizational nature and a general low level of high command could not be solved so quickly.

[alexmaneger]

On the heroism of peacekeepers.

[kapitan281271]

Somehow my deceased father told me the son, unfortunately in our country the one who does the work is always to blame, there will always be a lot of those who say that everything is done wrong. I’m not a strategist, but if only Khrulev had drilled a bridge, the Rogsky Tunnel would have been sealed and there would have been a rock roll. Vatutin also died in an ambush. And x *** ra to blame the signalmen if the concept of modern secure communication in our army simply does not exist. In short, I don’t even want to describe about it all strategists and generals all but Khrulev would command excellently young men to the field marshal epaulets.

[georgian]

OCCUPANTS GO HOME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Grandson of Veteran]

Quote: Georgian

OCCUPANTS GO HOME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why in english? probably contacting your owners, dog? forgive me my good friend Revaz Kheladze.

[georgian]

fuck you bitch ivan