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How the IDF took Tskhinval

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How the IDF took Tskhinval"... Motivation none of them have, and never will be"


Now, when the anniversary of the tragic events in South Ossetia is approaching, a number of materials have appeared in the press, allowing for a better understanding of some aspects of what happened. Our Israeli instructors have done a lot to prepare the Georgian army for the August slaughter, we wrote often. But Vladimir Bader's material, “The IDF, Tskhinval - nowhere else,” published in “Ogonyok”, dedicated to General Hirsch, allows you to learn about this from a primary source.

Israeli Army Reserve Team Brigadier General (IDF) Gal Girsch and his former special forces associates created Defensive Shield. The company is peculiar. The press claimed that General Hirsch was busy reforming the Georgian army, that his company was training Georgian special forces. And when the war began, it was suggested that the capture of Tskhinval and the attack on the Russian tank the column was prepared by the Israelis and carried out according to the Israeli method.

Hirsch himself categorically denies any involvement in the preparation of the Georgian army. General told Beider that Defensive Shield specialists prepared for the Georgian government a review of the state of national security, and this concerned not only the defense sphere, but science, education, leadership, technology, infrastructure, road development and road safety. All his contacts with the Georgian army were limited mainly to units involved in the actions of coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

For some reason, the story of General Hirsch about science, education, etc., which he helped to develop, makes us think of the trees that were planted by soldiers of the “limited contingent” in Afghanistan, according to the Soviet propagandists. True, Hirsch admitted, there were other Israeli companies that carried out other military orders of the Georgian authorities, but they, he stressed, acted under the complete control of the Israeli Ministry of Defense.

In general, the general, as best he could, defrauded the journalist with infrastructure, leadership and road safety, but without much success. The author wrote: “Israeli General Gal Hirsch denies that he was preparing Georgian special forces to take Tskhinval. Why does no one believe him? ”

The Israeli press wrote about 200 Israeli military specialists working under contracts in Georgia. Here is what Bader wrote about their impressions: “The Israeli military, even the young guys who worked as instructors there, do not understand how you can treat war and military training. The motivation of the Georgians simply discouraged them. “If we are the elite of the army,” one Israeli instructor of the Georgian Air Force heard, “why do we have to get up at 8 in the morning, like salagi?” Surprised, however, and Russian. “They came to the war on such old and old things that we don’t even have in army dumps,” one military instructor told me. But does not save and nove. Pictures of the newest technology thrown on the Georgian military bases confused all Israeli observers, even especially civilian ones. ” Everything coincides with the stories of our military. And about our old stuff, on which they managed to win, and about the new stuff thrown by the Georgians.

The unnamed local journalist formulated the attitude of employers towards Israeli military advisers: “They think that Israelis are wizards. They pay money to make them our six-day war. And when a miracle does not happen, they are terribly offended, they are considered to have been thrown. They do not understand that we have always fought for their existence. That in any war for us to lose is to die. And no one of them has such a motivation, and never will. Certainly in Georgia they now believe that the Israeli military experts did not justify their hopes. That they fell for the myth of the omnipotence of the Israeli war machine. "

It should be noted that not only in Georgia were the Israelis preparing Georgians for war. Cooked in Israel itself.

Georgian snipers instructed in Russian

The curious and informative material “Ordinary Georgians” was published in the anthology “The Art of War” by Yegor Losev (the author of a series of stories and stories about the Israeli army in Russian). Losev managed to interview one of those who trained Georgians in Israel: “Dozens of so-called private military companies engaged in training military personnel and modernizing various equipment. Two major Israeli companies also engaged in general and special training for the soldiers: Defensive Shield, led by retired General Galem Hirsch, and Global CST, with former Israeli General Israel Ziv in charge. Part of the "cadets" was trained in Israel. In the field of sniping, they were coached by V. An experienced instructor, a professional sniper, who himself repeatedly participated in military conflicts.

- Tell me, until what moment were you in Georgia? Did you find the beginning of hostilities?

- I was not in Georgia. Georgian soldiers were trained here in Israel.

- In what area did you work as an instructor?

- Sniping.

- Who were your "wards": regular units, reservists, specialists? What age are they?

- Spices. Commanders sniper groups. Age from 20 to 35 years.

- How did they turn out to be exactly the commanders of sniper groups? Why were they sent to Israel?

“I have no idea, but everyone in Ashdod had relatives.”

- Did they take part in the hostilities in Iraq?

- No.

- Did they have any combat experience?

- Well ... According to the stories each - at least "knight in tiger skin". And there - who knows. Judging by the level of fire training - so-so.

- What are your impressions about the "wards" as a pro and how about people?

- Pros (sniping) they are zero. Therefore, they came to learn. People are like people. Ordinary Georgians: funny, friendly.

- Did they talk about the upcoming war and were they preparing for it?

- They said a lot, despite the strict ban on the group commander. But Tvishi and the real Georgian shish kebab in the quantities in which we consumed them, act better than any “elixir of truth” and remove any prohibitions.

- How do you assess the level of training of Georgian soldiers? Their combat capability? The degree of their equipment?

- The level of their general education leaves no room for an acceptable level of military training. In sniping, anyway. Evaluation of the combat readiness of Georgian soldiers is an incorrect question. Among them are skilled saboteurs, and pot-bellied reservists. There are fanatics and deserters. I will refrain from an overall assessment, although the events of recent days (the interview took place shortly after the war in South Ossetia) showed "who is who?" Sniper equipment weapons and equipment - high. By US Army standards. Only the Georgian army could not master it.

- Have they assumed that they will have to fight against the Russian troops?

- Not only expected, but were confident. True, they were convinced of its complete non-readiness and inability to tough, vigorous actions. I honestly warned them that if something happens, Russia will tear up the Georgian army like a Bobby rag. And in response they told me that American boots are better than Russian boots, that I live with old ideas, and that they will give me a house overlooking the sea in Sukhumi.

- How did they assess the situation, the level of their army and the level of the Russian army?

- These guys cool powdered brains. Intimacy and friendship with "Uncle Sam" gives a distorted understanding of the realities about himself, and Georgian propaganda - about the enemy.

- How did they treat their government, Saakashvili? Blindly believed? How "politically active" were they at all? Or were these professionals and politicians not discussing?

- Sober no. Drunk yes. Opinions are different. Those who are younger, repeated Saakashvili's nonsense. Those who are older were remembered by the kind word of Comrade Stalin. After the fifteenth toast, everyone: we, the instructors, and they, and the attendants of the hotel where they lived, came to the conclusion that under the Soviet regime, everyone lived better, and after the thirtieth, that all politicians except Sarkozy are asshole and not men. Then there was fraternization, then I do not remember.

- Can you tell any personal stories from the life of the "wards", something you especially remember?

- Well, in personal, we did not climb. And especially remember the meeting and the first day of classes. Their leader asked me to teach Hebrew. But the translator did not understand the terminology, but there are no such words in Georgian at all. Then they decided to switch to English. After half a minute, it became clear that our joint vocabulary consists of five words. Fak you, Hitler kaput and OK. I had to go to the only one everyone understood. In Russian.

- Now on different sites News write about the mercenaries who fought in the Georgian units. What can you say about this?

- Yes, there was a place to be. Not massively, in some specialties.

- Can you comment on what happened in South Ossetia? Why and how, in your opinion, did the fighting begin?

- Of course. The Caucasus in this sense is a problem region. Wars, war and war there have been going on for more than one millennium. Tradition. The administrative borders of states, regions and regions were drawn artificially under Soviet rule, that is, when a military confrontation of someone inside the USSR was even theoretically impossible, and therefore irrelevant. These borders were inherited by the current states of the Caucasus. At this play forces with geopolitical interests in the region.

The war of Georgia and Ossetia - version for housewives. Neither this nor the one in FIG is needed. This is a war between America and Russia. Trial ball. Reconnaissance Test for lice. Other people's hands? Yes. Mass casualties on both sides? For big politics, it's the little things. Well, how did the fighting start? As usual, with a war crime - artillery and missile attack on Tskhinval.

- How do you think events in the Caucasus will unfold?

- Saakashvili and his entourage will soon be removed when it turns out the real losses of the Georgian army. Shamefully lost the war, the Georgians will not forgive him. The next government will be more moderate, will try to solve problems by diplomatic means. But, in any case, Georgia has already lost Ossetia and Abkhazia. ”

The Israeli instructor made a mistake, assuming that Saakashvili will be removed soon, because the Georgians will not forgive him for the shameful lost war. You would think that the war in Abkhazia in 1992-93 was lost less shamefully.

Eduard Shevardnadze, who staged a Caucasian-heroic show “I Will Not Leave This Land” in front of the camera, soon got away from it easily. And his behavior, and the behavior of fledged Georgian soldiers, who left their civilians, who had to be evacuated by the Russian military, did not particularly outrage anyone in Tbilisi.

They would kill everyone

Almost simultaneously with General Hirsch, NTV TV journalist Ruslan Gusarov, who worked in Tskhinval, before and after the start of the war, gave an interview about what was happening there, to the South Ossetian newspaper Respublika.

He did not mention the Israeli instructors, but he highly appreciated the results of the re-equipment and training of the Georgian army: “The Ossetian side apparently underestimated the last 3-4 of the year, the combat capability of the Georgian army.

Meanwhile, Georgia’s military budget has grown enormously in recent years, they have carried out titanic work to educate and prepare their troops to introduce war using heavy weapons, aviationmeans of suppressing electronic interference, air defense, etc. I know that the Ossetian guys were courageous, but even the most courageous fighter is not able to do anything against the falling bombs, exploding next to his position of shells ...

Besides, let's not forget that there was also a betrayal. I think that the percentages of the 70-80 coordinates of the South Ossetian positions were known very precisely, “thanks to” the Georgian, so-called peacekeepers. "Lapping" began in the first days of August, when shelling of the city began. In addition to all the factors listed above, the population was exhausted by a water blockade. I think that in the conditions of the war, when in quantitative terms the Ossetians were inferior five times, the Armed Forces of South Ossetia did a lot ...

It was the militia who played an important role in deterring Georgian troops, preventing them from fully taking control of the city. Since the defense at the distant approaches by that time was broken, it was practically impossible to hold back the defense of Tskhinval for a long time. They spent the entire supply of forces and ammunition, in fact defended the city with their bodies.

I can unequivocally state - if it were not for the fierce resistance of the militias, on August 8 would not exist for us at all. The Georgians would have captured the city fairly quickly and, apparently, would have killed everyone, including journalists, since they would not need living witnesses.

Having managed to preserve and clear the city before the arrival of the Russian troops, the militia carried out the Great Feat. In addition, not only did they not surrender the city, but performed miracles of heroism - only within the city limits were they destroyed 12 units of Georgian armored vehicles. These losses are surely sobered up by the enemy.

I don’t know what thoughts gave the Ossetian fighters strength, but personally, I honestly didn’t fully believe that help would come, because I saw what kind of policy was built over the years towards the Republic of South Ossetia, and what attitude peacekeepers. I have never understood the meaning of the mandate of the peacekeeping forces, their so-called “deterrence” policy. There was complete chaos in the Georgian enclaves - the Georgian police stopped, detained, beat, and sometimes even killed Ossetian civilians, and the Russian peacekeepers could not do anything. Then why were they needed? At the same time, peacekeepers themselves could be humiliated, insulted, etc. ”

Interestingly, if the Ossetian militiamen did not hold out, and Ruslan Gusarov’s forecast regarding the destruction of the civilian population of Tskhinvali would come true, what kind of “excuse” would our human rights activists come up with for Saakashvili?
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  1. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 12 August 2013 07: 52 New
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    There is a video where Israeli soldiers trained Georgian soldiers (they lit up what’s called)

    XE - XE, following the logic of the ISRAELI politicians in our army, a preventive strike should be struck on the ISRAELI military personnel (as they do with SYRIA) - however, our leadership in KREMLIN is trying to avoid this topic.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 August 2013 09: 01 New
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      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      XE - XE following the logic of the ISRAELIAN politicians our army should have delivered a preventive strike against ISRAELI military personnel

      Yes, this is an ordinary view from the side and, in my opinion, not biased enough. expressed his opinion and no more. like each of us on the site.
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 12 August 2013 10: 00 New
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        “I can unequivocally state that if it weren’t for the fierce resistance of the militias, there wouldn’t be any for us on August 8. The Georgians would have captured the city quickly enough and, most likely, would have killed everyone in a row, including journalists, since they would not need the living witnesses. " - Well, of course, the Russian troops had nothing to do with it, the militia decided everything, but the Israeli instructors prepared the Georgian army so that the militia certainly had no chance)). Another Israeli excuse. The Israeli military is not as strong as it is painted, but the Russian army, together with the Ossetian militias, proved to the world what they are worth, and of course showed the true capabilities of NATO and Israel instructors.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 August 2013 11: 58 New
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          Quote: Ruslan_F38
          Well, of course, the Russian troops have nothing to do with it, the militia decided everything

          Almost yes. The city was held by militias. Georgian troops were stuck in it. Moreover, the only thing that the militia had from the heavy secretly imported 120 mm “samovars” in the amount of 4 (four) units from peacekeepers. Georgians, oddly enough, have more
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 12 August 2013 10: 47 New
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      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      our army should deliver a preemptive strike against ISRAEL military personnel (as they do with SYRIA)

      For what? To intimidate? So they are intimidated for a long time and often on the forums you can find stories of former citizens of the USSR, and now Israelis, about how the USSR was going to bomb Israel with vigorous ammunition. How planes loaded with vigorous bonbs took off. They say as if they flew out by themselves. am
    3. eplewke
      eplewke 12 August 2013 15: 40 New
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      ehh. And why can’t they find Morkadra on this Mishka Abgadishvili?
  2. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 12 August 2013 08: 17 New
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    I don’t understand who defeated the Georgian army, some argue that it was the battalion of Chechens who made the Georgians flee by their presence. now it turns out that the militias themselves managed. Maybe in this case it was not worth introducing the Russian army. Would there be less talk of aggression in the West? The influence and participation of Israel in this war is somehow far-fetched, for what?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 12 August 2013 08: 41 New
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      Quote: vladsolo56
      I don’t understand who defeated the Georgian army,


      There was no Chechen battalion in the database, the article correctly spelled out - Russians with such junk and with such junk.
      1. duke
        duke 12 August 2013 09: 39 New
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        and brave Georgians fled, but about the Chechens they just started hearing, but as you know fear has big eyes
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 12 August 2013 10: 15 New
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        Quote: Vadivak
        There was no Chechen battalion in the database

        Uh ... And the Vostok battalion, where was your way?
        1. OCD
          OCD 23 August 2013 13: 25 New
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          These BMPs were observed on August 9, at about 14:30, when units of the 58th Army entered Tskhinval. Previously, they were not seen in the city.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 August 2013 09: 02 New
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      Quote: vladsolo56
      I don’t understand who defeated the Georgian army.

      There have already been so many documentaries and interviews that it’s hard not to understand.
      1. dc120mm
        dc120mm 12 August 2013 11: 16 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        There have already been so many documentaries and interviews that it’s hard not to understand.

        I fought there, ask me, I will answer everything.

        A dagger of the type cooked ours, but nothing special, a window dressing as always.

        Namely, on the warrior, apart from the Georgians, no one fought, no Ukrainians, no Hebrews, and no Amrikos. I know you don’t believe it. Many things you don’t believe about this warrior and you have a completely different version.

        What was it was, Seichas will not change.
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 12 August 2013 12: 18 New
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          Quote: dc120mm
          I fought there, ask me, I will answer everything.

          Well, I’ll repeat the question. So who defeated the Georgian army?
          1. dc120mm
            dc120mm 12 August 2013 16: 28 New
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            BSRF who is it? Do not aliens wink
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 12 August 2013 13: 37 New
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          Quote: dc120mm
          Namely, on the warrior, apart from the Georgians, no one fought, no Ukrainians, no Hebrews, and no Amrikos. I know you don’t believe it. Many things you don’t believe about this warrior and you have a completely different version.

          And the calculations of the air defense system "BUK" - also Georgians ?
          1. dc120mm
            dc120mm 12 August 2013 16: 33 New
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            Yes, my friend, also Georgians, sent calculations in 2-3 of the year before the war to Ukraine and trained at schools. I myself knew some.
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx 12 August 2013 20: 48 New
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              Quote: dc120mm
              Yes, my friend, also Georgians, sent calculations in 2-3 of the year before the war to Ukraine and trained at schools. I myself knew some.

              yes, one or two crews were ready! Several BuK-i in the Garage stood because there was no crew! as I know! Well, these beeches then from the Senas base the Russians took
        3. IRBIS
          IRBIS 12 August 2013 14: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: dc120mm
          I fought there, ask me, I will answer everything.

          “I honestly warned them that if something happened, Russia would tear the Georgian army like a rag.

          It turns out that they did not listen to their instructor ... But in vain, Jews, especially those who speak Russian, sometimes give practical advice. Especially if it says the IDF general.
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 August 2013 16: 36 New
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          Quote: dc120mm

          Namely, in the warrior, besides the Georgians, no one fought, not the Ukrainians, not the Hebrews, and not the Amrikos.

          Sarah Flanders: Blacks Killed were US Marines

          The US military took part in the Ossetian-Georgian conflict! This explains the fear of the West, and, in particular, the United States, the combat readiness of the Russian army. According to Sarah Flanders of the US Center for Globalization Research, American in


          Unrecognized South Ossetian authorities claim that black mercenaries participated in the Georgian offensive on Tskhinvali. It is reported by RIA Novosti with reference to the South Ossetian envoy to the Russian Federation Dmitry Medoev.

          According to him, on the streets of the destroyed Tskhinvali there are many killed Georgian military. "Among the dead there are blacks, most likely either mercenaries or instructors of the Georgian armed forces," he said.


          Yes, and on TV they showed the corpses of these clowns during the warriors. hi
          1. dc120mm
            dc120mm 12 August 2013 17: 03 New
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            So that's what I’m saying, what kind of Sarah Flanders is saying bullshit :) she probably confuses Georgia with Georgia :) And I say, I fought there and I know what happened. And you believe her not me, that’s your right.
            1. avdkrd
              avdkrd 12 August 2013 21: 47 New
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              Have you fought on the whole front? One? Do you know all the agreements and the real background, including the contracts of instructors? Negroes in Georgian uniforms were killed by those who fought there, and in the process of identifying and recording corpses, it was not television journalists who participated, but military prosecutors.
              1. Geokingxnumx
                Geokingxnumx 12 August 2013 21: 53 New
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                Quote: avdkrd
                Have you fought on the whole front? One? Do you know all the agreements and the real background, including the contracts of instructors? Negroes in Georgian uniforms were killed by those who fought there, and in the process of identifying and recording corpses, it was not television journalists who participated, but military prosecutors.

                Now I have a question if the negroes were already killed there! then Journalists would take pictures and videos and show 24 hours on TV!
                not? give me a photo or video!
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCsjSvSyClg
                if you talk about this video and you think that he is a Negro, then you cannot distinguish a burned soldier from a Negro!
                1. avdkrd
                  avdkrd 12 August 2013 22: 22 New
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                  Quote: GEOKING95
                  not? give me a photo or video!
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCsjSvSyClg
                  if you talk about this video and you think that he is a Negro, then you cannot distinguish a burned soldier from a Negro!

                  I do not work as a full-time photographer of the Republic of Armenia, I draw conclusions about the presence of foreign mercenaries not on the basis of dubious photographs, but on the testimonies of the participants in the conflict. According to the residents of Tskhinval, whom people like you just came to kill, and from the words of the Russian soldiers who stopped you. There is no confidence in the words of the one who kills children and the elderly, and then proudly says that he "fought." All who are from the Georgian side, at least with one foot in Tskhinval, are considered war criminals on 08.08.08. Grad bombardment of a sleeping city, after a conciliatory performance on TV of your tie-eater - is this a war? Or gunners fired at Maginot, where the main pillboxes were hospitals, schools, kindergartens ??? Or was the shooting of buses and cars fleeing the city war? War is an armed confrontation. The war didn’t even begin for you; you fled bravely. Such warriors do not cause anything besides disgust. In principle, I am very good. deep nasr. whether Negroes were there or not, their presence doesn’t change anything, instructors from ASP were (they don’t hide it), the absence of military companies from there would even be surprising, but when people who survived the Georgian invasion speak of Negroes, I believe them.
                  http://osetinfo.ru/naemnikigruzii
                  1. Geokingxnumx
                    Geokingxnumx 12 August 2013 23: 12 New
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                    Quote: avdkrd
                    There is no confidence in the words of the one who kills children and the elderly, and then proudly says that he "fought"

                    Where did I write that I fought?
                    Quote: avdkrd
                    http://osetinfo.ru/naemnikigruzii

                    5 flight source) also mean Asians?
                    but read khoroshenko something I see, I’m not true in this text) did you even talk to them yourself?

                    here I ask a question! if they found a corpse of an African American or an Asian, wouldn’t they have pulled hours in Rossisk TV 24?

                    Quote: avdkrd
                    instructors from ASP were (

                    Yes they were! Because in those days it would have been a duty to go through training just like the Ukrainian Istruktara were!
                    Quote: avdkrd
                    where the main pillboxes were hospitals, schools, kindergartens ???

                    2 Augustus Tskhinval was EVACUATED! (Well, most of the inhabitants of the children and Zhenshin)! Schools and buildings were destroyed in the Battle of Tskhinvali about non-Grads who did not shoot at Tskhinvali CITY!
                    You can see it. When a Georgian soldier shoots houses from armored vehicles! Why is the building not destroyed

                    and for 2 days it was the Russian attack aircraft that bombed Georgians in Tskhinval and his district!
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 14 August 2013 06: 18 New
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                  Quote: GEOKING95

                  Now I have a question if the negroes were already killed there! then Journalists would take pictures and videos and show 24 hours on TV!

                  Geoking, but I didn’t upload this video to you a year ago ??? Or did you forget
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 14 August 2013 06: 27 New
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              Quote: dc120mm
              So, I’m saying, what kind of Sarah Flanders is saying bullshit :)

              In the photo of the Georgians? Photo from Tskhenval http://www.russia.ru/video/gruzinblack/
          2. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 12 August 2013 18: 48 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, and on TV they showed the corpses of these clowns during the warriors.

            Yes, I watched that plot! but these were burnt Georgian soldiers!
        5. The Indian Joe
          The Indian Joe 12 August 2013 19: 19 New
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          Namely, on the warrior, apart from the Georgians, no one fought, no Ukrainians, no Hebrews, and no Amrikos. I know you don’t believe it. Many things you don’t believe about this warrior and you have a completely different version.
          - that’s what I can’t stand, when they try to deceive me. Recall how the corpses of black Americans were found? How did you find the documents of the Ukrainians? Of course, there were no Jews there, there were only Jewish targets - Israeli Hermes 450 drones, which were shot down by two pieces, on March 18 and April 20, 2008 ...
          1. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 12 August 2013 20: 30 New
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            Quote: Native American Joe
            what I can’t stand is when they try to deceive me. Recall how the corpses of black Americans were found? TO

            give pictures) no let me give you
            http://ohranamos-mvd.ru/65-ubitye-gruzinskie-soldaty.html
            if you are talking about these Soldiers, then this is the Georgian soldiers who burned down the murder! Americans and Ukrainians did not fight!
            Quote: Native American Joe
            Of course, there were no Jews there, there were only Jewish targets - Israeli drones Hermes 450, which were shot down by two pieces, 18 of March and 20 of April of 2008 of the year ...

            yes shot down! but Russia has denied that it was his plane that shot down!
        6. biglow
          biglow 12 August 2013 20: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: dc120mm
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          There have already been so many documentaries and interviews that it’s hard not to understand.

          I fought there, ask me, I will answer everything.

          A dagger of the type cooked ours, but nothing special, a window dressing as always.

          Namely, on the warrior, apart from the Georgians, no one fought, no Ukrainians, no Hebrews, and no Amrikos. I know you don’t believe it. Many things you don’t believe about this warrior and you have a completely different version.

          What was it was, Seichas will not change.

          and black bodies from where did the Ukrainian passports come from. Is this what the Russians brought with them?
          1. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 12 August 2013 20: 31 New
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            Quote: biglow
            and the bodies of blacks where did they come from

            give the facts about the murdered blacks! if of course you can distinguish the Burning Soldier from the Negro!
            1. biglow
              biglow 12 August 2013 20: 59 New
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              the Internet is full of videos about blacks and Ukrainian passports, and about documents in English. But it’s unlikely that Georgians know English, and you don’t really speak Russian ....
              1. Geokingxnumx
                Geokingxnumx 12 August 2013 21: 30 New
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                Quote: biglow
                the Internet is full of videos about blacks and Ukrainian passports, and about documents in English. But Georgians are unlikely to know English, and you are not very good at Russian

                Is the Internet full? if so fully give a link about the black) wait!
        7. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 August 2013 06: 39 New
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          Quote: dc120mm

          Namely, on the warrior, apart from the Georgians, no one did not fight, no Ukrainians, no Jews and no Amrikos. I know you don’t believe

        8. OCD
          OCD 23 August 2013 13: 29 New
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          I fought there. The bus station area is 20 meters from 3 wrecked tanks. Any questions?
    3. Very old
      Very old 12 August 2013 09: 18 New
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      For some reason I remembered (maybe not that, maybe out of place): "The Polish army took Berlin, the Russian army helped" Either funny or sad ...
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 12 August 2013 09: 46 New
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        and even a little time will pass and it turns out that the Georgians liberated South Ossetia from the Russian invaders. history has repeatedly shown miracles of coups.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 12 August 2013 09: 58 New
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          Quote: vladsolo56
          and even a little time will pass and it turns out that the Georgians liberated South Ossetia from the Russian invaders. history has repeatedly shown miracles of coups.

          In general, they think so. In many near-war forums, they voiced just such a position. Moreover, in Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia are considered occupied territories.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 12 August 2013 10: 23 New
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            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Moreover, in Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia are considered occupied territories.

            Yes to health! Let them consider that in modern history there is a striking example - the occupation of Palestine. And believe me, many, many in Palestine and the world believe that this is so ...
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 12 August 2013 10: 29 New
              0
              Quote: Corsair

              Yes to health! Let them consider that in modern history there is a striking example - the occupation of Palestine. And believe me, many, many in Palestine and the world believe that this is so ...

              Alas, not many, but most. So the Palestinian state will be created soon. But what comes of this?
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 12 August 2013 13: 08 New
                +2
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                Alas, not many, but most. So the Palestinian state will be created soon. But what comes of this?

                And in the case of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, there is no need to “invent” anything, states de jure and de facto exist, and for this, just recognition by Russia is enough ...
            2. vladsolo56
              vladsolo56 12 August 2013 12: 33 New
              0
              Palestine has never been. Pure propaganda. And the Palestinian nation has never been invented. If you drip so they are all Jews, just some Muslims, other Jews, that's all
              1. Refund_SSSR
                Refund_SSSR 12 August 2013 14: 57 New
                +7
                Quote: vladsolo56
                If you drip, they’re all Jews. They’re just Muslims.

                Yeah, but in the end, all Christians, but Buddhists in their hearts wassat
                1. vladsolo56
                  vladsolo56 12 August 2013 18: 58 New
                  -2
                  take an interest in history, I didn’t come up with it.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 12 August 2013 12: 06 New
            +4
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Moreover, in Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia are considered occupied territories.

            By whom? The local population that Georgians have been trying to cut since the days of the USSR?

            Remember the "night of sapper blades"? How did it all start? All "independence fighters" become ardent opponents of the independence of others, if their territories allegedly decrease.
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx 12 August 2013 12: 17 New
              -6
              Quote: Spade
              By whom? The local population that Georgians have been trying to cut since the days of the USSR?

              yes you what. 250 000 man refugee from Abkhazia Georgians (Abkhazians) Russian Jews!
              I'm not saying that the Georgians are to blame! but who fought there? for them? You don’t know, you fought against them (as I know)
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 12 August 2013 12: 25 New
                +5
                You just lost. This is even worse than not starting a war.

                As for the first war in South Ossetia and the war in Abkhazia, I can only say one thing: both sides of the conflict exhibited extreme savagery. And Basayev didn’t stand out from the background of your “heroes”
                1. Geokingxnumx
                  Geokingxnumx 12 August 2013 12: 35 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Spade
                  : both sides of the conflict exhibited extreme savagery. And Basayev didn’t stand out from the background of your “heroes”

                  if Our Robbers killed civilians, then we don’t call them Heroes) Mkhedriontsi in the remaining regions of Georgia did wild things and worse than in Abkhazia) but although they didn’t kill as wild as the Chechens Baghramyans and Cossacks! I'm not talking about the downing of two civilian aircraft)

                  yes We lost the war but Russia did not win! and they and the Russians did not walk not in the gagra and not in Sukhumi! But Russia was able to Save Shevardnadze
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 12 August 2013 12: 51 New
                    +4
                    You just lost, and therefore not heroes.

                    Agree, your memory is short. Judging by the fact that Patiashvili lays flowers at the monument to the victims of the Tbilisi events, he stigmatizes the bloodthirsty Russian invaders, and no one will remind him that he was among those who made the decision to use the troops.
                    1. Geokingxnumx
                      Geokingxnumx 12 August 2013 13: 02 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Spade
                      You just lost, and therefore not heroes.

                      and who said that I am a hero? :)

                      Quote: Spade
                      that he was among those who made the decision to use the troops.

                      there was an order to sew up the railroad where they were robbed) but Mkhedriontsi began to protect the place themselves Robbing local residents as well as the earlier ones) I said the Georgians were to blame

                      about losing) how we lost) to whom we believed in 93 when we agreed on the ceasefire and removed military equipment from Sukhum)

                      http://cyxymu.livejournal.com/617340.html
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 12 August 2013 13: 08 New
                        +1
                        Quote: GEOKING95
                        there was an order to sew up the railway

                        You are confusing something. I am talking about the use of sapper blades and other things at the Government House of the Georgian SSR on the night of April 9, 1989
                      2. Geokingxnumx
                        Geokingxnumx 12 August 2013 13: 12 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        I’m talking about the use of sapper blades and other things at the Government House of the Georgian SSR on the night of April 9 1989

                        aa) you about it! 9 of April and the Georgian police didn’t play up) I don’t have a high opinion of Patiashvili
                2. d_trader
                  d_trader 13 August 2013 00: 22 New
                  0
                  I'm not talking about the downing of two civilian aircraft
                  I forgot to add who flew in those civilian aircraft
                  1. Geokingxnumx
                    Geokingxnumx 13 August 2013 11: 43 New
                    0
                    Quote: d_trader
                    I forgot to add who flew in those civilian aircraft

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxGjMqU68Lg
                    with 8: 00 see who flew
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIHbkHgOdCw
            2. The Indian Joe
              The Indian Joe 12 August 2013 19: 24 New
              +1
              250 people refugee from Abkhazia
              - how many refugees ???

              According to a previous census conducted in 2003 by the authorities of the partially recognized Republic of Abkhazia, the population was 215 people
              - or you have such subtle humor that I didn’t catch it, or you - STRAIGHT.
              1. Geokingxnumx
                Geokingxnumx 12 August 2013 20: 40 New
                0
                Quote: Native American Joe
                how many refugees ???

                By September 30 of 1993, the entire territory of autonomy was already controlled by the Abkhaz armed forces [15]. About 250 of thousands of ethnic Georgians, in fear of a real and perceived threat from the winners, became refugees - they left their homes and left on their own through mountain passes or were transported to Georgia by sea. About 70 thousand of them within a few years returned to Abkhazia, mainly in the Gali district.

                and in the Mountain Pass, up to 300 people died!
                Quote: Native American Joe
                or you have such subtle humor that I didn’t catch it, or you are a SLACK.

                I’m not joking about the War in Abkhazia
        2. Mairos
          Mairos 12 August 2013 13: 50 New
          0
          Everyone has their own truth, everyone believes in their own!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 12 August 2013 14: 53 New
            +1
            C'mon ... True, this is the first victim of the war (s)
          2. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 12 August 2013 17: 00 New
            -1
            Quote: Mairos
            Everyone has their own truth, everyone believes in their own!

            I agree! and the real truth is completely different
            1. The Indian Joe
              The Indian Joe 12 August 2013 19: 27 New
              0
              I agree! and the real truth is completely different
              - in this case, the truth is the verdict of the PACE Commission, which states:

              "" The shelling of Tskhinvali by the Georgian armed forces on the night of August 7-8, 2008 marked the beginning of a large-scale armed conflict in Georgia ... "

              "19.) There is an opinion that the use of force by Georgia in South Ossetia, starting with the shelling of Tskhinvali on the night of August 7/8, 2008, was justified in accordance with international law. This is not so. Georgia recognized that the ban on the use of force was applicable to the conflict in South Ossetia in the context of legally binding international documents, such as the Sochi Agreement of 1992 or 1996, a memorandum on measures to ensure security and strengthen mutual trust between the parties in the Georgian-South Ossetian conflict, even if we assume that Georgia repelled the attack for example, in response to a South Ossetian attack on Georgian 23 villages in the region, in accordance with international law, his armed response must be necessary and proportionate. It is unacceptable that shelling of Tskhinvali for most of the night from GRADs and heavy artillery would satisfy the necessary proportionality to protect these villages. ". (p. 22 "
      2. yurii p
        yurii p 12 August 2013 11: 42 New
        +1
        people make history and politicians write as they feel comfortable.
  3. Syrdon
    Syrdon 12 August 2013 10: 16 New
    10
    Militias held the city for 2 days, burned tanks, waited for the Russian Army, endured and believed, it was good that Russia had not betrayed as in 1990 and had come. That’s the whole conversation.
  4. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 12 August 2013 10: 42 New
    +8
    "Maybe in that case it wasn’t worth introducing the Russian army. Would there be less talk of aggression in the West?"
    -----------

    But don’t you give a damn what they say in the West?
    Or do you doubt that the West will find other reasons to blame and spit on Russia?
    How long will such an eye on the West be present ?: what will the West say, but what will the West think ...
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 12 August 2013 10: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
      don’t you give a damn what they say in the West? Or do you doubt that the West will find other reasons to blame and spit on Russia? How long will such an eye on the West be present ?: what will the West say, what will the West think ...

      - No, on the world and death is red laughing when the west looks, even death dribbles colorful colors and you want to be a hero laughing And I also remember in my youth (barbell) how I didn’t succeed in jerking, and then a flock of pretty gymnasts ran in (the coaches agreed to “pump up” the gymnasts), and for some reason everything turned out fine for me laughing Maybe the West is the same dope for Russia?
      1. yurii p
        yurii p 12 August 2013 11: 50 New
        +2
        I would prefer that such doping in the world does not exist as a subject of statehood.
    2. yurii p
      yurii p 12 August 2013 11: 47 New
      0
      one should not look back at one’s interests, and not some mythical partners, the word is some abusive and incomprehensible, especially in politics.
  • sashka
    sashka 12 August 2013 08: 25 New
    +4
    They are everywhere .. Always .. Until now .. Well, where to go to Russian .. Or burn this hornet's nest with hot iron like soda and gomorra ..
  • Tersky
    Tersky 12 August 2013 08: 26 New
    15
    The fact that in Georgia Saak had a lot of "helpers" from the promised land is far from news. In preparation for the war, Israeli private military companies GlobalCST, General Israel Ziv, and Nirtal, Nir Shaul, also a former officer, took part.
    According to a number of Western experts, Israel is "the protagonist of a broad scenario for encircling Russia and containing its reviving power."
    On the eve of the aggression (1 of August 2008 of the year), Saakashvili organized a conference in Tbilisi of the leaders of large American Jewish organizations, personally attended an official dinner. The Israeli Haaretz newspaper quoted him as saying: “We love America, we love Israel, we love the war in Iraq.” He also said this: “Offending Israel means offending Georgia. The only place in the world where I feel at home is Israel. ” One should not forget that the Georgian defense minister was David Kezerashvili, who made a great contribution to this cooperation, is an Israeli citizen, and served in the IDF.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 12 August 2013 08: 30 New
      12
      Well, now it’s clear that Israel was the aggressor in South Ossetia, and the militias defeated, and that Russia didn’t understand so much noise about some kind of aggression.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 August 2013 09: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: Tersky
      Georgian Minister of Defense was David Kezerashvili, who made a great contribution to this cooperation, is an Israeli citizen, and served in the IDF.

      Hello! Vitya, you know, if the Georgian national hockey team sets up the Canadian as a coach, they still won’t become champions, you know why laughing ?
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 12 August 2013 09: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        if the Georgian national hockey team put the Canadian they still will not become champions, you know why?

        Hello Sasha! At one time, still unforgettable Krylov answered- "but you friends do not sit down" laughing There is one more about the dancer and the subject of hindrance to mastery.
    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 12 August 2013 10: 30 New
      +3
      The hunt for these people should be announced, no matter where they are hiding. Find them and kill them. Undoubtedly, the execution of international terrorists, war-raisers, trainers, instructing civilian killers will be supported primarily by a peace-loving but oblivious Israel. Lord Israel Ziv, Nir Shaul, General (former) Gaal - Do you hear?
      Something not to be seen in the subject of the Professor and the rest ...
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 12 August 2013 13: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Mikhail3
        The hunt for these people should be announced, no matter where they are hiding. Find them and kill them. Undoubtedly, the execution of international terrorists, war-raisers, trainers, instructing civilian killers will be supported primarily by a peace-loving but oblivious Israel. Lord Israel Ziv, Nir Shaul, General (former) Gaal - Do you hear?
        Something not to be seen in the subject of the Professor and the rest ...

        You can of course, but I’m afraid very many RA officers who, having retired, worked under a contract in Africa, LA and SEA, will disagree.
    4. Rumata
      Rumata 12 August 2013 11: 53 New
      -3
      Quote: Tersky
      In preparation for war

      And here you can read more? It’s one thing to talk about instructors, of whom there are thousands across the planet, and it’s quite another to blame Israel for participating in the preparation of a war against the Russian Federation. I think it’s not difficult to throw us the evidence, and we will smoke it together ...
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 12 August 2013 12: 08 New
        +2
        Do you believe in a fairy tale about the complete independence of this kind of PMCs from the state?
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 12 August 2013 12: 31 New
          -5
          Quote: Spade
          Do you believe in a fairy tale about the complete independence of this kind of PMCs from the state?

          Do you believe that Israel participated in the preparation of the war against Russia? Maybe the General Staff in Tel Aviv made plans to storm Tskhinvali?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 12 August 2013 12: 55 New
            +2
            Quote: Rumata
            Do you believe that Israel participated in the preparation of the war against Russia?

            I believe in facts: Israel participated in the preparation of the war in South Ossetia, which violates the Sochi agreements signed by Georgia. In such a war, Russian citizens, including military personnel, were supposed to suffer by default.
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx 12 August 2013 13: 07 New
              -4
              Quote: Spade
              violating the Sochi agreements signed by Georgia

              and Russia is not when 2006 year training of Ossetian militias)
              There are no facts! Georgian special forces were created in the 1999 year (Turkey Pomgla) and beat many countries for training in Russia too!
            2. Rumata
              Rumata 12 August 2013 13: 17 New
              0
              Quote: Spade
              I believe in facts: Israel participated in the preparation of the war in South Ossetia,

              Well, I already asked above what facts? I hope you do not need to explain the difference between "indirectly involved" and
              Quote: Spade
              participated in the preparation of the war

              You will provide the very facts by which you came to the conclusion that Israel knew about the future war, helped develop plans, provided intelligence. data and so on ...
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 12 August 2013 17: 49 New
                0
                So Syria is also only indirectly involved in Hezbollah’s attacks on Israel. And it receives not at all indirectly bombing.
            3. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 12 August 2013 14: 03 New
              -1
              Quote: Spade

              I believe in facts: Israel participated in the preparation of the war in South Ossetia, which violates the Sochi agreements signed by Georgia. In such a war, Russian citizens, including military personnel, were supposed to suffer by default.

              T / e in the case of the Israeli-Syrian conflict can it be said that Russia participated in the preparation of the war? Or can the same be said when the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict resumes? After all, Russia has a military-technical cooperation with both sides. And the political will of the state that entered the war will not be taken into account? If Ethiopia Eritrea attacks tomorrow, will the RF be to blame?
              1. viktorR
                viktorR 12 August 2013 15: 29 New
                0
                T / e in the case of the Israeli-Syrian conflict can it be said that Russia participated in the preparation of the war?

                If Syria attacks Israel soon, yes. But do you yourself believe that?

                Oh, how do you turn out like a snake in a pan). I wanted to say that this feature is already very common among Jews and therefore it is Jewish. But this is not so, so behave people who by any means justify themselves / their point of view, despite the objective facts. Well, the fact that the Jews often encounter such behavior, I also thought about it ...
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 13 August 2013 01: 19 New
                0
                In the event of a Syrian-Israeli conflict in which the Russian Federation will participate, a state like "Israel" will no longer be on the world map.
                1. Rumata
                  Rumata 13 August 2013 01: 27 New
                  0
                  Quote: alicante11
                  In the event of a Syrian-Israeli conflict in which the Russian Federation will participate, a state like "Israel" will no longer be on the world map.

          2. knn54
            knn54 12 August 2013 14: 46 New
            +1
            -Rumata: Do you believe that Israel participated in the preparation of the war against the Russian Federation?

            The Haaretz newspaper writes, referring to one of the IDF’s former officers, who worked for four months as a military instructor in Georgia with dozens of his colleagues, that the start of hostilities in the region was not a surprise: “The feeling of the eve of war was already when we arrived in Georgia ". According to him, the conditions and wages were very good, and the attitude is the most positive. Instructors were scattered around the numerous garrisons and training bases, which are now almost destroyed by Russian aviation.
            According to this source, only basic techniques of warfare, anti-terrorist actions and combat practice in urban areas were taught to Georgian units. “The Ministry of Defense forbade us to teach the methods of warfare used by the elite units of the IDF and considered secret defense information,” the instructor said.
            The publication quotes the words of this instructor, who so appreciated the fruits of the work carried out by him and his colleagues: “This is not the IDF yet, but we are already talking about well-trained units.”
            In early April 2008, on the occasion of the commissioning of a new unit of the Georgian special forces, Mikheil Saakashvili with his inherent pathos announced: “The military trained by Israeli specialists will become an elite part of the country's armed forces ... We have brought outstanding military men from Israel. Americans and Israelis have created a new Georgian military school. ”
            PS In connection with the escalation of the conflict, Israel, which considered it good to not aggravate relations with Russia, suspended further export of its weapons. Among the expected deliveries to Georgia was a large batch of two hundred heavy tanks "Merkava-3", as well as about twenty aircraft of various types.
            1. Syrdon
              Syrdon 12 August 2013 16: 05 New
              +1
              it’s a pity they didn’t have time to adjust the Merkava of Georgia, there would be interesting trophies and the completion of the museum in Kubinka)))
          3. stroporez
            stroporez 12 August 2013 14: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: Rumata
            Maybe the General Staff in Tel Aviv made plans to storm Tskhinvali?
            -------- maybe it was ..... but who admits .........
      2. cyberspace
        cyberspace 12 August 2013 16: 55 New
        0
        Yes please.
        “They came to the war with such junk and with such junk that we don’t even have at army dumps,” one military instructor told me.

        Your instructor himself tells what he saw, the journalist did not drive the irons under his nails, he did not put needles on his back.
    5. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 12 August 2013 12: 01 New
      -1
      Quote: Tersky
      “Offending Israel means offending Georgia. The only place in the world where I feel at home is Israel. ”

      According to Leonid Eicis, the Jewish community in Georgia was not subjected to harassment, and the violation of religious and ethnic rights by Georgians [3]. In September 1998, the 2600 anniversary of the joint residence of Georgians and Jews [3] was widely celebrated in Georgia.
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  • UzRus
    UzRus 12 August 2013 08: 39 New
    +4
    “If we are the elite of the army,” one Israeli instructor from the Georgian Air Force heard, “why should we get up at 8 in the morning, like a sleigh?” - Who gets up early, God gives to him. Remember this.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 August 2013 09: 05 New
      +7
      Quote: UzRus
      “If we are the elite of the army,” one Israeli instructor from the Georgian Air Force heard, “why should we get up at 8 in the morning, like a sleigh?”

      What an elite, such and such questions.
      1. UzRus
        UzRus 12 August 2013 09: 10 New
        +7
        That's for sure. Well, peeling from heavy machine guns into cars with people and windows of apartment buildings, shooting all this on a mobile phone - this is definitely the lot of the "elite" ...
      2. atalef
        atalef 15 August 2013 18: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What an elite, such and such questions.

        Sash Yu hello. article is complete bullshit. An interview with a sniper instructor is not just invented. but simply replete with a huge number of inconsistencies. Starting from the fact that the Israelis (immigrants from the USSR) are not so expressed and ending with the way he expounds these thoughts.
        I do not touch on the topic of Georgia and their military, and especially the causes and consequences of the conflict. I'm just saying that at least half of the article is a figment of the imagination of the correspondent, which is just what it is ---
        \
        I honestly warned them that if something happened, Russia would tear the Georgian army like a Bobik rag

        Without denying what has been said, I will still be surprised by the instructor’s remarks to foreign cadets, the instructors don’t get into politics - unless professionals
        like this expression
        These guys had a lot of fun with their brains. Intimacy and friendship with "Uncle Sam" gives a distorted understanding of the realities in relation to oneself, and Georgian propaganda - in relation to the enemy

        Again, not sweeping the fact, but they don’t speak such a language here, it’s not an Israeli speech, the speech turns are not
        And the meeting and the first day of classes were especially remembered. Their supervisor asked me to teach in Hebrew. But the translator did not understand the terminology, and in Georgian there are no such words at all. Then we decided to switch to English. After half a minute, it became clear that our joint vocabulary consists of five words. Fak Yu, Hitler Kaput and OK. I had to switch to the only one understandable. In Russian.


        Well, firstly, they would immediately switch to Russian, one must know the realities of Israel. By the way, who decided to switch to English, if both sides did not know him. And there are no such connections in the whole interview.
        I believe that the Georgians trained and trained in Israel, but neither this instructor nor whether he is my question to them.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 12 August 2013 08: 41 New
    +3
    The Israeli instructor was mistaken in assuming that Saakashvili would be removed soon, as the Georgians would not forgive him for the shamefully lost war.
    Why forgive it? Yes, until recently, they were sure that they had won! And it’s not yet a fact that ssaku has fallen out of love ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 August 2013 09: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: retired
      Yes, until recently, they were sure that they had won!

      Well, they won, the Russians did not take Tbilisi, and the fact that the loss of South Ossetia and Abkhazia is garbage laughing
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 12 August 2013 10: 01 New
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, they won, but the Russians did not take Tbilisi

        Russia was "too tough" to storm "the Georgian stronghold" to protect which Courageous elite units Invincible Georgian army ORGANIZED pulled from the battlefield. fellow
  • darksoul
    darksoul 12 August 2013 08: 43 New
    17
    The Russian army entered the war in an old fashioned way ..... Georgians were equipped up to ag ... achki. You can’t buy the spirit and ability to fight ...... no matter how much the United States, and theirs 6k did not cling to themselves from this they will not become stronger. In the words of Sergei Bodrov ... strength with those who have the truth .... so comrades Georgians study military affairs in the present way ..... we will check the preparation of your hosts later
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 12 August 2013 09: 18 New
    +2
    PMCs are a cool trend today. By the way, today there are a lot of Russian PMCs in Ethiopia (as they say insider information hi ) And on the one hand, this is not an opportunity for the young professionals who are left to make money on bread and butter, but on the other, serious political costs.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 12 August 2013 09: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      PMCs are a cool trend today. By the way, today there are a lot of Russian PMCs in Ethiopia (as they say insider information

      "PMC" - a tool to hide the interference of foreign states ...
      Previously they were called simply - military instructors.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 August 2013 12: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      PMCs are a cool trend today. By the way, today there are a lot of Russian PMCs in Ethiopia


      We have this kind of activity criminally punishable.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 12 August 2013 14: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        We have this kind of activity criminally punishable.

        Yeah. And the Russian PMCs in Ethiopia and Uganda, well, they are such a secret for the Russian Defense Ministry. And it’s not through them that arms sales to these countries are lobbied.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 August 2013 14: 56 New
          +1
          We have a lot of illegal things being done, and while nobody sat down for it. However, Article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation takes place to be
      2. atalef
        atalef 15 August 2013 18: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        We have this kind of activity criminally punishable.

        ?????????
        The domestic companies “Feraks”, “RSB-Group”, “Tiger Top Rent Security”, “Redut-Antiterror”, “Antiterror-Orel” worked on the PMC market quite successfully (by Russian standards). They worked in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kurdistan, Sri Lanka and in other difficult world regions.

        http://army-news.ru/2012/08/chastnye-voennye-kompanii-rossii/
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  • Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 12 August 2013 09: 22 New
    +4
    “If we are the elite of the army,” one Israeli instructor from the Georgian Air Force heard, “why should we get up at 8 in the morning, like a sleigh?”
    If you talk like that, then our sergeant training in the 80th was simply the elite of ALL SPECIAL DIVISIONS. am
  • sergey72
    sergey72 12 August 2013 09: 28 New
    +1
    Kontorovich remembers, in hot pursuit, all Georgian equipment and ammunition was described, so everything is not so great there .... It is interesting that the machine-gun belts for the Israeli "Negev" were incorrectly stacked in tarpaulin container pouches .... Kontorovich believed that it was done intentionally.
    1. Professor
      Professor 12 August 2013 12: 16 New
      -2
      Quote: sergey72
      It is interesting that machine-gun belts for the Israeli Negev were incorrectly stacked in tarpaulin cartridge pouches .... Kontorovich believed that this was done intentionally

      These tapes were of Turkish manufacture.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 12 August 2013 12: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        These tapes were of Turkish manufacture.

        And here Professor "got out" lol
        1. Professor
          Professor 12 August 2013 12: 36 New
          -2
          Quote: Corsair
          And here the professor "got out"

          I do not need to get out. This famous fact has been repeatedly discussed. Moreover, Russian paratroopers complained that his shells were very soft. It was they who indicated that the Turkish origin of the ammunition.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 12 August 2013 12: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Professor
            I do not need to get out. This famous fact has been repeatedly discussed.

            H. Professor! Consider the ironic intonations in the comments ... hi
            1. donchepano
              donchepano 15 August 2013 17: 41 New
              0
              Quote: Corsair
              SW Professor! Consider the ironic intonation in the comments ..

              They have a tight sense of humor ...
              They only show languages ​​of the master)
      2. sergey72
        sergey72 12 August 2013 14: 43 New
        0
        Thank you, I didn’t know ... hi
  • shinobi
    shinobi 12 August 2013 09: 36 New
    +6
    The Israeli seems to be a pro, and there too. On junk, in such junk with such junk. Although he immediately speaks of brainwashed by propoganda. In Grenada against the USA, they fought in some places in general, but took only a dumb blockade. It’s not a weapon that fights, but people. Samzhe speaks about it. Muddy in short character.
  • pa_nik
    pa_nik 12 August 2013 09: 46 New
    +3
    It is interesting to get acquainted with a relatively independent opinion. Until now (and already 5 years have passed) Georgia’s aggression is doubtful for some on the basis of opinions based on the presentation of the situation by the Western media.

    "Then there was a fraternization, then I do not remember." Smiled laughing


    hi
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 12 August 2013 13: 22 New
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      Well, yes, and before fraternizing, they grabbed daggers.
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 12 August 2013 09: 54 New
    +4
    Everyone is smiling sweetly in the face, and they are plotting behind us!
    Come to relax on the Dead Sea, we will thank you - we will train and arm your enemies!
    I wonder what if the Chechens caught a Jewish instructor?
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 12 August 2013 10: 23 New
      -8
      Quote: JonnyT
      Come to relax on the Dead Sea, we will thank you - we will train and arm your enemies!
      So this is exactly what has been done since Khrushchev squinted with Nasser. And during the “war of attrition”, in general, Soviet calculations controlled the “Egyptian” air defense systems and Soviet pilots sat in the cockpits of the “Egyptian” MIG-21. Three of them were knocked down by Jews, after which the others were quickly taken out of Egypt. Among the anti-aircraft gunners, too, there were losses, including the 200s.
      And in the last Lebanon war, “Cornets” did not seem to be made by Allah in response to the prayers of Hezbalons.
      So be honest, at least in front of yourself. Or, as always, if ours is a valiant scout, and they are a dirty spy, and if there is no water in the tap, they drank the water [filtered].
      Quote: JonnyT
      I wonder what if the Chechens caught a Jewish instructor?
      It would be in the world a couple of three dozen less Chechens.
      bully
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 12 August 2013 10: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        It would be in the world a couple of three dozen less Chechens.
        bully
        hardly. Our guys are not Rambo, and professionals are not bad at knowing their job. Most likely he would have died, taking 3-4 well, at best, 5-6 l / s about the enemy. Short-range combat is fleeting.
        1. Far East
          Far East 12 August 2013 13: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Most likely he would have died, taking 3-4 well, at best, 5-6 l / s about the enemy

          whom would he take 5-6l / s? "FROM THE DEAD DONKEY EARS" IN OUR FAVORITE Comedy. this is a big question! no need to be arrogant. Well, you’re all the best fighters on earth. then, sho you do not enslave the whole world? you are only crying to the whole world about the poor Holocaust, everyone offends you, and you yourself ALWAYS DO ALL OF THIS! WITH RESPECT! I have no words! and the moderator does not sleep.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 12 August 2013 14: 41 New
            -1
            Quote: Far East

            whom would he take 5-6l / s? "FROM THE DEAD DONKEY EARS" IN OUR FAVORITE Comedy. this is a big question! no need to be arrogant. Well, you’re all the best fighters on earth. then, sho you do not enslave the whole world? you are only crying to the whole world about the poor Holocaust, everyone offends you, and you yourself ALWAYS DO ALL OF THIS! WITH RESPECT! I have no words! and the moderator does not sleep.

            Special Forces? Yes should no less in a collision with the line infantry. By the way, I’ll guess the same for Russian, American and Chinese Spenazovites. Different level of training. Therefore, if, when attacking an ordinary fighter, the attackers lose 1-2 people, then the Spenaz player will cost an order of magnitude more. I won’t tell you for all special forces, but I had to participate in exercises with Yaalom. We in 601 are also not an empty place, but they covered us like a bull to a sheep.

            "
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 12 August 2013 22: 00 New
              +2
              Are you keeping Chechen Allahakbar for professionals? They are strong only to capture schools with kids as in Beslan, but to cut the cop’s post, where the same are Chechens, only in uniform. Well, or cut off the head of a Christian priest in Syria.
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 12 August 2013 23: 19 New
                0
                Was it about an Israeli commando? So I think those who passed the Siret MatKal school, Sh-13, Detachment 669, Egosa or Yaalom would have given their lives very dearly. But the advantage in the trunks is the advantage in the trunks. In the end, the Chechens from the "East" are not made with a finger.
                1. Far East
                  Far East 13 August 2013 10: 52 New
                  0
                  Quote: Aaron Zawi
                  In the end, the Chechens from the "East" are not made with a finger.

                  like this, and it was necessary to write. you remember how they took the Amin’s residence there are NO analogues in HISTORY! and all the specialists of the world learn from it. and my beliefs, sho our specialists have no equal! hi
                  1. Rumata
                    Rumata 13 August 2013 11: 08 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Far East
                    like this, and it was necessary to write. you remember how they took the Amin’s residence there are NO analogues in HISTORY! and all the specialists of the world learn from it. and my beliefs, sho our specialists have no equal!

                    Operation Entebbe is no less outstanding, it also has no analogues, specialists for that and specialists
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 12 August 2013 12: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Nagan
        And in the last Lebanon war, “Cornets” did not seem to be made by Allah in response to the prayers of Hezbalons.

        No, for that they had Syria. For which he now suffers. Israeli polit. the elite is so inadequate that it allows itself to act against the interests of its state out of a sense of personal resentment.

        Well, besides, Lebanon is definitely not Israeli territory.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 12 August 2013 10: 26 New
      0
      What is the connection? The Russian Federation and Israel have had very decent relations since the 90s, which did not stop the Syrian officers from studying at your higher educational institutions and purchasing your equipment. As long as the state has not been imposed international sanctions by the military-technical cooperation, this is quite normal. By the way, back in 2006, part of Georgian officers underwent retraining in Russia. Because not only we, but it didn’t even occur to you that Georgia would risk a direct conflict with the Russian Federation.
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 12 August 2013 11: 13 New
        +1
        I have nothing against the development of relations between the Russian Federation and Israel, but as an idealist, something is "disgusting" to what is happening in the world! Israel trains and supplies weapons for Georgia, Sources from the Russian Federation help Hezbollahs .... and then everyone wants justice .... Israel supports the Kursk destruction of Syria thereby "stoking the fire of Islamism" near the borders of the Russian Federation. The Russian Federation wants to put c-300 into Syria, thereby jeopardizing Israel itself and its military-industrial complex .... this is a direct philosophical question - who is right? Or what was the first chicken or egg?
  • Sakolik
    12 August 2013 09: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: JonnyT
    Everyone is smiling sweetly in the face, and they are plotting behind us!
    Come to relax on the Dead Sea, we will thank you - we will train and arm your enemies!
    I wonder what if the Chechens caught a Jewish instructor?


    Heschterm Berme head, it would be :)
  • Megatron
    Megatron 12 August 2013 09: 59 New
    10
    Hmm, this "old" beat, hit and will hit the enemy. T
    Taki recalled the professor’s pace, and his saliva spray about the vaunted Merkava .....
  • Andrey from Tver
    Andrey from Tver 12 August 2013 10: 25 New
    +3
    Yes, the Georgian specialists have interesting combat training: everyone has relatives in Israel, a thirtieth toast, a barbecue with the function of untying the tongue ... After the thirtieth toast, you’ll miss out on 10 trunks and such a pack. And in the morning both hands are shaking, and the head does not work. In such conditions, what the hell will learn. Well, how can you make a claim to Israel for the preparation of these "specialists". Knights in tiger skin were drunk and mixed up with tiger skin and the American flag.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 12 August 2013 10: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Andrey from Tver
      Well, how can you make a claim to Israel for the preparation of these "specialists". Knights in tiger skin were drunk and mixed up with tiger skin and the American flag.

      To Israel it may not be possible, but to PMC Hirsch is possible. You can’t establish a serious learning process, you adjust to the client, instead of the result of garbage. Well, therefore, his company was covered.
    2. wax
      wax 12 August 2013 11: 31 New
      0
      Andrew! If Israel needs it, then he personally will NOT pick one relative from you.
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 12 August 2013 13: 54 New
        +3
        Anecdote in the topic:
        In one of the organizations in Georgia, Georgians and one Jew Zyama worked in the department of international trade. The Georgians decided to adjust the national composition so that only Georgians were in the department. Well, to make the dismissal look more correct, give him a knowingly failed assignment.
        They send Zyama to France to search for a client and sign an agreement with him for the supply of Georgian perfumes to France. Three days pass, a telegram arrives with the message that the contract has been signed!
        “Some kind of nonsense, some kind of fool Zyama found in France and gave him domestic products,” they decided in a smoking room.
        Okay, send Zyama to the USA to search for a partner to supply Georgian jeans to the states. Three days pass, a telegram arrives with the message that the contract has been signed!
        Here the sport and hunting excitement arose: is it really so simple for Zyama (!)? Well, a shell cannot fall into the same funnel twice.
        They send Zyama to Japan in search of a partner for the delivery of Georgian electronics to the Land of the Rising Sun. A week passes, a month passes, half a year passes ... Well, everything, the issue was resolved by itself, the guardians decided for the purity of the Georgian nation. A year later, a telegram arrives with the message that the contract has been signed !!!
        Colleagues met her son in law with genuine admiration. Well, since Zyama is so punchy, let him work - they decided in the department. Once in a smoking room they asked Zyama - how did he manage to cope with such responsible and difficult assignments?
        - In France and America, I quickly found Jews and through their acquaintances promoted what I was instructed. But here in Japan! While I found a Jew, while I got him the right job, while I promoted him through the ranks ...!
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 13 August 2013 07: 06 New
          0
          Quote: Black Colonel
          Okay, send Zyama to the USA to search for a partner to supply Georgian jeans to the states. Three days pass, a telegram arrives with the message that the contract has been signed!

          You can laugh, but you will not find American jeans. Well, maybe only where they sell antiques. And so all of Mexico, Pakistan, and of course the ubiquitous China, so why not Georgia?
          I remember at the end of the last century in the news it flashed that Levi Straus had closed the last sewing factory in America. Labels live and thrive, while sewing is cheaper.
  • olviko
    olviko 12 August 2013 10: 28 New
    +9
    Israel, as always, is in its key. First, Georgians are taught how best to kill Russians, then they go with an innocent look to the Russians asking them not to sell S-300s to Iran and Syria, because this, you see, threatens the security of Israel. As they say, hutspa is the second happiness!
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 12 August 2013 11: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: olviko
      Israel, as always, is in its key. First, Georgians are taught how best to kill Russians, then they go with an innocent look to the Russians asking them not to sell S-300s to Iran and Syria, because this, you see, threatens the security of Israel. As they say, hutspa is the second happiness!

      Well, yes, such Georgians came to Israel to ask instructors for the war with the Russian Federation, and they gave it !! Some hysterical comments, continuous emotions. In addition to Israel, Georgia was helped by dozens of countries. Israel has ceased to enter into new contracts with Georgia and activity has turned off, and to read you so every Jew just wants to teach a couple of Georgians how to kill Russians ...
      Now in Zimbabwe, too, Israeli instructors, if the war starts, even after 10 years, they themselves will be to blame, because they, like the true descendants of Vanga, should have known about it!
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 12 August 2013 11: 23 New
        -3
        Quote: Rumata
        In addition to Israel, Georgia was helped by dozens of countries.

        and these in the troop of countries and Russia was
      2. Syrdon
        Syrdon 12 August 2013 16: 12 New
        0
        That's right, in this situation Ukraine has the most rotten position.
  • not good
    not good 12 August 2013 12: 47 New
    +4
    - Mr. General, is it true that you were preparing the Georgian army for war?
    -... Why the hell are you saying this, but perhaps the army ... repeat
  • Des10
    Des10 12 August 2013 13: 39 New
    +1
    The article is a plus. Especially the opinion of a sniping instructor.
    Israel is not alone in training and modernizing the Georgian army.
    The question is different - again, a sudden treacherous attack ...
  • deman73
    deman73 12 August 2013 13: 53 New
    -1
    Jews would not be Jews if they had not worked on two fronts, both ours and yours
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 12 August 2013 14: 08 New
      -1
      Quote: deman73
      Jews would not be Jews if they had not worked on two fronts, both ours and yours

      Oh how? And which country is selling arms to both Azerbaijan and Armenia today?
  • Lukich
    Lukich 12 August 2013 13: 55 New
    0
    ... this is not a war between Georgia and Ossetia and Abkhazia, but the war between Russia and America over the Caucasus and Russia loses in this war and this is very bad. She lost the war for Yugoslavia, lost our Brothers - the Bulgarians, losing Ukraine!

    ... the impression is that the State Department adviser with a mandate from the Washington Regional Committee is sitting in the Kremlin and dictates what to do in order to lose another country ...

    ... Mikhail Zhvanetsky has a miniature - where he says - "... head of production, caviar, crabs, currency, gold, court, Siberia.
    .... ... Maybe something in the conservatory to fix? ...
  • Proud.
    Proud. 12 August 2013 14: 35 New
    0
    . And in response they told me that American boots are better than Russian boots, that I live with old ideas, and that they will give me a house with a sea view in Sukhumi.
    Wai! Tipo a naive Chukchi (Israeli) boy? And why only a house? I would ask ALL the sea, Black and Black!
  • pensioner
    pensioner 12 August 2013 18: 11 New
    0
    8. It is too early to hand over tanks and guns for scrap. The Russian-Georgian war has demonstrated that tanks and artillery are of great importance in modern warfare. The tanks helped stop the Russian offensive at the beginning of the war and played an important role in the defeat of the convoy on May 9 under the command of the chief of the 58th army, General Khrulev. The Gori artillery brigade, which is highly rated by Russian sources as well, played a major role in the rejection of Russian units marching to Tskhinvali.

    Read more: http://www.inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20130812/211821211.html#ixzz2blPhb6ZQ
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    This is an article from Estonian media. Maybe someone in the know: what is the defeat of our convoy by Georgian artillery on May 9? What are you talking about? And the article is funny.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 12 August 2013 20: 34 New
    0
    The Jews are to blame again. Are you fucked up ????? You can also prosrat homeland. As teachers, you are bad, just like warriors. point weak.