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Fighting illegal migrants: Kolokoltsev dug up the hatchet

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The fact that the criminalization of the trade component in Russia has reached incredible heights, every inhabitant of the country knows firsthand. To understand this problem, it is quite enough to stroll through the markets of domestic cities. Most of these markets have long been turned into a kind of criminal concentrate, richly seasoned ethnic component. Citizens of individual republics, which at the beginning of the 90's "long-awaited independence" from the "hated Russian yoke", decided to ignore the sovereignty that fell on them with strange zeal and come close to the distance of stale breath. Independence turned out to be good for newspaper articles, mud-polluting Russia in the comments and Internet posts, but for earning a “gravel” sovereignty was not what it should be. Everyone wanted to eat bread and butter, to someone - without fail with red and black caviar, and to someone - also washing it all down with “Veuve Clicquot” at the wheel of “Kayena” surrounded by blond “nymphs”.


Fighting illegal migrants: Kolokoltsev dug up the hatchet


Desires began to coincide with the possibilities not immediately. They did not coincide until Russia itself had not had time to ripen a whole serpentarium of officials of various levels who also wanted “Kayenas”, nymphs and black caviar. Thus, the aspirations of some began to be realized at the expense of the aspirations of others. A striking symbiosis has emerged with elements of reciprocal parasitism between individual Russian officials and representatives of the criminal immigration segment — this is a time, and with systematic parasitism of both, on ordinary Russian taxpayers, these are two.

For large fish, shoals of smaller fish flowed into Russia, without which doing business on “affordable” conditions would be extremely difficult. Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Moldova, Georgia, Kyrgyzstan, Azerbaijan, Armenia became the main “donors” of the immigration sector from among the former Union Republics, among which for a long time the processes of division of spheres of influence were observed. Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans and other representatives, as they say, were added to the "fraternal" immigrants. Over time, this intricate foreign explosive mixture was added by internal Russian migration flows (mainly from the regions of the North Caucasus), which led to an even more fierce redistribution of influence segments in the territories of many federal subjects, especially in large cities of the European part of Russia.

At a certain point in time, it came to the point that it was almost impossible to see local workers (traders with local products) on construction sites (urban markets) in Moscow, St. Petersburg or, for example, Voronezh. Turkish, Spanish or Israeli vegetables and fruits were successfully sold under the vigilant control of the "guests" from sunny Transcaucasia or North Caucasus. Signs of restaurants, cafes, dumplings, cheburechnyh and other catering establishments said that their owners are also far from Ryazan or Kursk volosts by birth. For the majority of Russians, Central Asian speech and musical motifs at construction sites have become familiar ...

We thought: let's break up Cherkizon, Puddle and other similar places, we will adopt a number of laws on trade only by citizens of Russia - you see, and life will get better. Ethnic criminal groups will evaporate, the Russian peasant will have the opportunity to work and earn money by bringing their products to the markets without intermediaries. But they dispersed Cherkizon, dispersed the Puddle, dispersed several more markets, market squares and flea markets, but did not feel better ... The Russian peasant was unequivocally hinted that for his own well-being it was not worth going out to the large urban markets, but it was better to sell according to the "good" the price of goods to dealers “Alisher” or “Magician”, and they will try to provide the people with high quality goods themselves.

Instead of one Cherkizovsky, dozens of others opened, eventually also turning into a stronghold of not only semi-legal trade with a philosophical attitude to paying taxes, but also on Wednesday to cultivate those interpersonal relationships that, frankly, are alien to the indigenous society. The inhabitants of these places began to get the impression that they turned into full-fledged owners, capable of issuing bills and claims not only to each other, but also to local ordinary residents, and even to the authorities.

The bureaucratic corps, meanwhile, continued to search for free boxes for storing tightly tied packs of kickbacks, a continuous stream of incoming and outgoing from representatives of, let's say, business migration. Some of the officials of this link even tried to state that the increase in the crime rate in Russia is in no way connected with the increase in the number of illegal immigrants who settled on Russian territory. It is understandable. After all, if these gentlemen had mentioned the fact that the crime rate of the number of illegal and semi-legal migrants is bound by direct proportionality, then this would be the same direct blow to their successfully working feeder.

How much curl such a string? I would like to believe that is not forever. One of the next calls was an incident that occurred not so long ago in one of the markets of Moscow, when a policeman who was trying to detain a merchant on suspicion of raping a minor girl broke his head. Obviously, the seller of watermelons, attacking a representative of the rule of law in front of hundreds of people, was convinced that his action would go unpunished, because he was not in Moscow at all, but in the Moscow branch of his “family aul”, over which there are not only elders-co-religionists, but also Moscow officials with oil eyes, eager for large bills.
The incident put on the ears of Moscow, and with it the whole of Russia. Interior Minister Vladimir Kolokoltsev ordered to carry out serious work in the markets (and not only) in order to identify the migrants in them. In this regard, the actions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs can be described in force “better late than never” or “until thunder breaks out ...”

Thousands of riot policemen embarked on a “tour” of the country's markets and outlets in order to detect and detain illegal immigrants. However, the task was difficult to accomplish. There are several reasons. Firstly, illegal immigrants in the markets, construction sites, basements, warehouses and trailers turned out to be ten times more than the law enforcement officers participating in the operation. Secondly, in some cases, during the raids, respectable gentlemen were announced, who presented some papers that, they say, the raid at this place was wrong, and riot police should proceed to another area to identify illegality. In some cases, respectable people with pieces of paper in their hands turned out to be, as they say, in the position of “face to asphalt”, but unfortunately, there were very few such isolated cases.

As a result of the campaign against illegal immigration, several thousand citizens of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Vietnam, China were detained in Moscow alone.

Identified illegal immigrants - not bad, detained - also good. But the main question is not at all in this. The main question is: what next? .. From Russia towards the Central Asia and the Caucasus will train trains with those who are among the detainees? .. And in these trains there are VIP cars for people who run illegal businesses based on ethnic groups ? .. The tradition is fresh ...

It is obvious that the current problem cannot be solved only by police methods. Well, they caught, well, they twisted, well, even if they turned out ... And how many drove back at that moment? How many bureaucrats warming up their hand in the illegal immigration business remain in their offices waiting for the return of the profitable migratory “plankton”?

It turns out that you need to hit not the tails, but start from the head. But here again the problem. The head is not alone. In recent years, too many people have managed to grow heads of ethnic crime. Heads are big, mouths are toothy. They bite each other, bite everyone around, as soon as someone tries to bring an ax over them. So, with the efforts of Kolokoltsev alone, even if he firmly set out to decriminalize the Russian markets, this is definitely not enough. The problem is too painful to be solved by riot police alone. What is needed is not the momentary activity of the police and its leadership, but the development of an effective legislative framework that would really allow to bring order to migration issues.
Wrote this sentence and think: utopia? ..
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  1. Sibiryak
    Sibiryak 12 August 2013 08: 26
    16
    Kolokoltsov opened the ax of war
    He didn’t open the ax, but pointed to the worn place to some, with a dizzy head from permissiveness.
    1. experienced
      experienced 12 August 2013 08: 34
      107
      Only the borders and visa regime will save Russia from the flow of "farmers". It is also necessary to fight against officials and employers by tightening the law, attracted an illegal - a large fine and expulsion at his own expense, attracted a second time - the fine increases 10 times. There will be no good until we tweak. Last week in Solnechnogorsk these "peaceful traders" smashed two guys' heads with a bat and a metal bar. They are already beginning to feel themselves "masters" ...
      And there are no diasporas and unions or movements on a national basis, you have taken Russian citizenship - you are Russian, you haven’t accepted, but you want to unite with your fellow countrymen - a suitcase, a railway station, your Motherland. The slogan "Kyrgyzstan for the Kirghiz" should be valid in Russia for the Kirghiz, and not only in Kyrgyzstan for the Russians am
      It must be admitted that drug trafficking from Central Asia is breaking records and there is a real war in which young Russians are dying, many of them "feed" from this, it is time to act according to the laws of wartime "In war, as in war."
      Open borders negate the fight against illegal immigrants.
      1. Sibiryak
        Sibiryak 12 August 2013 08: 44
        -5
        It is necessary to fight officials and employers by tightening the law, attracted an illegal immigrant - a large fine and expulsion at his own expense, attracted a second time - the fine increases 10-fold.

        Think colleague in the right direction!
        Quote: seasoned
        The slogan "Kyrgyzstan for the Kirghiz" should be valid in Russia for the Kirghiz, and not only in Kyrgyzstan for the Russians

        But this is superfluous, except for malice, nothing can be achieved!
        1. avt
          avt 12 August 2013 09: 26
          35
          Quote: seasoned
          And there are no diasporas and unions or movements on a national basis, you have taken Russian citizenship - you are Russian, you haven’t accepted, but you want to unite with your fellow countrymen - a suitcase, a railway station, your Motherland. The slogan "Kyrgyzstan for the Kirghiz" should be valid in Russia for the Kyrgyz, and not only in Kyrgyzstan for the Russians.

          good That's just immediately 282yu begin to sew Russian.
          Quote: Sibiryak
          But this is superfluous, except for malice, nothing can be achieved!

          This is from what ??? Why should those who separated themselves and at once become proud and independent, and even terribly ancient in history, live here according to their own principles? So in the end they will become insolent and really believe that they are the descendants of the Macedonian and Chingiz and will look for the last sea in the metro. It is imperative that you still have your own "effective" managers and businessmen, that they don’t hack the loot under slave labor, they must do it well. Moreover, all the singers of Gaster’s sufferings that they whine about the fact that the locals won’t work. Of course, it’s easier to drive Gaster into the basement. than to pay salaries to locals, who, for example, have to pay for an apartment with rising tariffs, again a local illness and sick leave, such a scoundrel, maybe the bastard will demand a vacation or his monetary compensation, Gaster - a kick in the ass and all the things. he will go to rob, and even in a group with the same, this does not particularly fach our hozyukov.
          1. Sibiryak
            Sibiryak 12 August 2013 09: 44
            +4
            Quote: avt
            This is from what ???

            We must act tough, but as they say without fanaticism! Everything should be a measure.
            1. Airman
              Airman 12 August 2013 10: 31
              19
              Quote: Sibiryak
              Quote: avt
              This is from what ???

              We must act tough, but as they say without fanaticism! Everything should be a measure.

              They climb to us with fanaticism, and we should without fanaticism? Nobody has yet repealed the law of physics: the action is equal to the reaction.
      2. domokl
        domokl 12 August 2013 09: 21
        +5
        Quote: seasoned
        And no diasporas and unions or movements on a national basis,

        Do you propose to extend this to everyone? Or only to residents of Asia? Nonsense, in my opinion. What then are immigrants (although what kind of natives of us they are, distant descendants of immigrants from Ukraine or Belarus, for example, cannot gather songs to sing too?
        But I agree about the borders ... Moreover, I think that introducing criminal liability for illegal stay on the territory of the Russian Federation will not hurt. But it turns out that it’s not clear. They caught (for our money), sent (for our money), and he returned under a different name ... and with a different passport
        1. My address
          My address 12 August 2013 10: 13
          +8
          Somewhere in May, Rogozin made a proposal to introduce visa regime with everyone. But the GDP has adjusted - it is necessary, but not now, after ... years. Why in ... years? Maybe let migrants to trade in the Kremlin, then the regime will be right away?

          And why not to connect the migration service, executors of punishments, drug control again with the Ministry of Internal Affairs? What for so many services lit? Kolokoltsev likes the fact that punishes the heads of naughty policemen. Can he tremble and these? Of course, he still inherited a legacy, but he is in comparison with Romodanovsky a worker.
          1. Airman
            Airman 12 August 2013 10: 36
            12
            Quote: My address
            Somewhere in May, Rogozin made a proposal to introduce visa regime with everyone. But the GDP has adjusted - it is necessary, but not now, after ... years. Why in ... years? Maybe let migrants to trade in the Kremlin, then the regime will be right away?

            .

            And our "regime" has already been introduced, when Putin walked along St. Petersburg, there was NO ONE at all on the street.
            1. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 12 August 2013 11: 30
              +3
              Peter? When I was driving around Moscow for my inauguration, there were not only no people on the streets and windows, but also stray dogs and cats. The oppressive void of the dead city and HE.
            2. My address
              My address 12 August 2013 16: 24
              +6
              You answered perfectly and completely. GDP has no problems with migrants.
          2. don.kryyuger
            don.kryyuger 12 August 2013 12: 25
            10
            One trouble, they make noise and only. As a result, everything will return to square one. Too much money is spinning there. There is only one entrance; visa regime. If you really want to end this.
          3. matross
            matross 12 August 2013 16: 02
            +5
            Quote: My address
            Why not connect the migration service, the executors of sentences, drug control again with the Ministry of Internal Affairs? What for so many services lit up?

            And for this, thanks to the democrats-reformers and the LADY personally for the law "On Police"! Of course, it is logical for the Ministry of Internal Affairs to deal with all internal affairs! But for them it is not obvious - somehow too simple, apparently! An investigative committee was also allocated, and everyone has budgets, bosses ... the country is rich ...
          4. valerii41
            valerii41 17 August 2013 12: 49
            0
            The GDP of his woman shuffled without looking at migrants, so that trade in the Kremlin flourished
        2. fzr1000
          fzr1000 12 August 2013 14: 11
          11
          Diasporas are outlawed for ALL. And "to sing to get together" can be done without diasporas, in a restaurant.
      3. Tersky
        Tersky 12 August 2013 10: 04
        +5
        Quote: seasoned
        Only the borders and visa regime will save Russia from the flow of "farmers".

        Sasha, while we see all this only on paper: "ILLEGAL MIGRATION - entry into the Russian Federation, stay in it and exit from its territory of foreign citizens and stateless persons in violation of Russian legislation governing the procedure for entry, stay, transit passage and departure of foreign citizens, as well as their arbitrary change of their legal status during being on the territory of the Russian Federation. "
      4. Manager
        Manager 12 August 2013 10: 47
        18
        Quote: seasoned
        They are already beginning to feel themselves "masters" ...

        Getting started? Already 2 years as they feel. In Solnechnogorsk especially. (I live not far in Zelenograd)
        They already openly say that the Russians have become a lot .... interfere.
        1. valton
          valton 17 August 2013 02: 47
          +2
          NEED STALIN. DEPARTURE TIME 1 YEAR. WHO DID NOT LEAVE ON THE EXPIRED TIME — ALL ON THE FORESTRY. WANTED TO WORK — YES FOR HEALTH.
      5. Garrin
        Garrin 12 August 2013 11: 49
        17
        Quote: seasoned
        They are already beginning to feel themselves "masters" ...

        Just last week I listened to an interview with one guy. He and his ethnic Russian family moved to Russia from Kyrgyzstan for permanent residence as part of a resettlement program for compatriots. So, when he and several of the same guys got a job in a construction site in Moscow. So the Tajiks ousted them from there, where they were set up, where by beatings, where by threats. They were motivated by the fact that they needed to save jobs for their brothers, who were still in the villages. These are the things.
      6. Airman
        Airman 12 August 2013 11: 57
        11
        Quote: seasoned
        Only the borders and visa regime will save Russia from the flow of "farmers". It is also necessary to fight against officials and employers by tightening the law, attracted an illegal - a large fine and expulsion at his own expense, attracted a second time - the fine increases 10 times. There will be no good until we tweak. Last week in Solnechnogorsk these "peaceful traders" smashed two guys' heads with a bat and a metal bar. They are already beginning to feel themselves "masters" ...
        And there are no diasporas and unions or movements on a national basis, you have taken Russian citizenship - you are Russian, you haven’t accepted, but you want to unite with your fellow countrymen - a suitcase, a railway station, your Motherland. The slogan "Kyrgyzstan for the Kirghiz" should be valid in Russia for the Kirghiz, and not only in Kyrgyzstan for the Russians am
        It must be admitted that drug trafficking from Central Asia is breaking records and there is a real war in which young Russians are dying, many of them "feed" from this, it is time to act according to the laws of wartime "In war, as in war."
        Open borders negate the fight against illegal immigrants.

        And what do we have with China, Vietnam a visa-free regime? How do they get to us? OR PRE-GRANVOYS ALREADY ELIMINATED? Why won't they ask anyone for this?
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 12 August 2013 12: 18
          +9
          You look at how the Vietnamese screamed about the poor maintenance of their citizens in the camp and to buckwheat, they are not used to it, and the fact that this illegal place is in prison and not in the camp, for illegally crossing the border is a full-fledged violator
        2. don.kryyuger
          don.kryyuger 12 August 2013 12: 28
          +3
          They travel on a tourist visa, and then dissolve in the vast expanses of Russia.
      7. Igor77
        Igor77 12 August 2013 13: 13
        -8
        Let's close the borders well. And if the military appears outside this base? A stick about 2 ends.
        1. KazaK Bo
          KazaK Bo 12 August 2013 14: 13
          +3
          Quote: Igor77
          Let's close the borders well. And if the military appears outside this base? 2-end stick

          ... from whom? And what are armed with slingshots? Or are you sure that the Amer will give them a gun?
      8. vadimN
        vadimN 12 August 2013 13: 46
        +9
        Quote: seasoned
        Only the borders and visa regime will save Russia from the flow of "farmers".


        It is, of course, yes ... but, dear, a simple analysis of the ethnic composition of crime shows that the main headache is brought to us not by Tajik-Uzbeks and other foreigners, but by "their" North Caucasian guys. Everyday stories confirm this conclusion, although it is officially recognized very reluctantly ... And nevertheless, the main arrogance, cockiness, corruption and contempt for everything Russian in Russia comes from "Russians" from some southern republics ...
        What to do about it? You cannot let them in on a visa and we have no right to deport them under the law. They are "Russians", i.e. they live in their own country, although culturally and ethically long ago they separated from Russia. It's only for the plitic department.
      9. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 12 August 2013 14: 10
        +8
        Quote: seasoned
        While the fuss is not good

        He does the right thing ... Mr. BELLS ... how much longer can you make a "waste bin" of the most marginal, and therefore criminal, layers of our country. Here are just a net for catching "dekhans" that is selective ... only those who are caught are caught ... and the question is not asked - why did no one notice their presence on Russian soil for so long. And asking this question - it turns out that almost all the leaders of the local FSM ... police departments should be FIRED UNDER DRUMBATTLE !!
        The problem, however !!!
        1. Airman
          Airman 12 August 2013 17: 40
          +3
          Quote: KazaK Bo
          . And asking this question - it turns out that almost all the leaders of the local FSM ... police departments need to be FIRED UNDER DRUM BATTLE !!
          The problem, however !!!

          To dismiss with confiscation of the unjustly acquired and sent to places not so remote with migrants.
    2. rodevaan
      rodevaan 12 August 2013 09: 07
      +6
      Quote: Sibiryak
      Kolokoltsov opened the ax of war
      He didn’t open the ax, but pointed to the worn place to some, with a dizzy head from permissiveness.


      - Lord, do you believe in the seriousness of these "instructions"?
      1. Sibiryak
        Sibiryak 12 August 2013 09: 13
        +3
        Quote: rodevaan
        Lord, do you yourself believe in the seriousness of these "instructions"?

        Wait and see! For starters, at least an indication exists, than nothing and silence at all!
        1. rodevaan
          rodevaan 12 August 2013 09: 25
          +8
          Quote: Sibiryak
          Quote: rodevaan
          Lord, do you yourself believe in the seriousness of these "instructions"?

          Wait and see! For starters, at least an indication exists, than nothing and silence at all!


          - In-in. There is a directive, but you will see cases as usual with Gulkin horseradish ... A directive is given so that the ordinary crowd swallows the bait and calms down, as if things began to be done. Over the past 20 years, we have only been doing that for the next 10th time we believe like stupid oaks to all directions and assurances, which are worthless, and things are still there.
          You yourself know how it is with us - they cooked up a mug in front of the TV, supposedly gave an indication, and then we thump together at the state cottage and everything goes on as usual.
          1. Sibiryak
            Sibiryak 12 August 2013 09: 49
            0
            Quote: rodevaan
            There is an indication, but you will see cases as usual with Gulkin horseradish ...

            The main thing is not to break firewood, I think this is the main thing
            1. Airman
              Airman 12 August 2013 12: 09
              +8
              Quote: Sibiryak
              Quote: rodevaan
              There is an indication, but you will see cases as usual with Gulkin horseradish ...

              The main thing is not to break firewood, I think this is the main thing

              You have not so many of these migrants in Siberia, except perhaps the Chinese. And in St. Petersburg and Moscow (count and in the regions) they got already above the roof. So they cut down the forest - chips fly. They climb to us, they don’t ask us.
              1. Sibiryak
                Sibiryak 12 August 2013 12: 29
                +2
                Quote: Povshnik
                They climb to us, they don’t ask us.

                Vyacheslav, I do not mind putting things in order with an iron hand! I am against ill-conceived decisions in emigration policy!
                1. Airman
                  Airman 12 August 2013 17: 34
                  +6
                  Quote: Sibiryak
                  Quote: Povshnik
                  They climb to us, they don’t ask us.

                  Vyacheslav, I do not mind putting things in order with an iron hand! I am against ill-conceived decisions in emigration policy!

                  Visit Moscow or St. Petersburg, and your opinion will change. You +
              2. valerii41
                valerii41 17 August 2013 19: 59
                0
                Moscow and Peter will be fleeced by the masses to us, and now there is a quiet stream. New buildings are all clogged by migrants, the police and the Federal Migration Service will not be bought during the day because it seems that there are no such offices. It happened that one FMSnik ​​said I would complain to you Doku Umarov, a minister of the law, it seemed that this person is a representative of the president. from me it became known that this is a terrorist, promised to blow up the Sochi Olympics and to the heap of your office where you work. Surprisingly, law enforcement agencies catch terrorists. Law enforcers knock on the foreheads with villains, if they fall, then only a reliable partner will help out, and the rest will buy balloons that they bought in the sky. Unintentionally, the police will not protect the migrant’s foot, but they can add
        2. afire
          afire 12 August 2013 09: 28
          0
          the fact is that (the bulk of the people do not know about this), police in large numbers ensure the safety of the Olympics, so there are few of them in the field. In particular, the Moscow region.
          1. Majordok
            Majordok 13 August 2013 07: 40
            +4
            You are absolutely right! The bulk of the regional riot police in Sochi.
            1. afire
              afire 13 August 2013 11: 33
              0
              However, I caught the minuses with something laughing
              1. valerii41
                valerii41 17 August 2013 20: 01
                0
                Please do not dispose of the police you bought
      2. avt
        avt 12 August 2013 09: 51
        15
        Quote: rodevaan
        - Lord, do you believe in the seriousness of these "instructions"?

        Take my word for it, "combing" the markets in Moscow is a really deadly job. Retail in a multi-million dollar city is a huge source of black cash, for that kind of money it is easier to swap out than to lose it all at once. stop - beer, cigarettes, now cleaner. Well, Cherkizon was removed - on Preobrazhenka straight 82 years laughing .But in Lyublino a complete mess. And how many more real "Shanghai" in the region right outside the Moscow Ring Road! Such as near Mytishchi, hotbeds of drugs and spare parts from stolen cars, which the current poets, former cops, cover? To solve this problem - really will and steel eggs must have.
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 12 August 2013 11: 03
          +9
          In the Voskresensky district, there are NO shmons at all, calm and quiet. These gastric people are walking calmly for themselves with their young women, and yesterday one went with five preschool children, ate all the Dixies together with summer residents laughing.Live like cockroaches in summer cottages, the police do not carry out any raids, the hand of the police is the best thing to do, so for reporting and to the people, shmones work only in large cities, allowing the migrant to move to the area that's all.
          From the rearrangement of the places of the terms the sum does not change - the iron law of mathematics in action among Russian officials, who were taught only to divide and take away.
          1. Airman
            Airman 12 August 2013 11: 45
            +3
            Quote: mhpv
            In the Voskresensky district, there are NO shmons at all, calm and quiet. These gastric people are walking calmly for themselves with their young women, and yesterday one went with five preschool children, ate all the Dixies together with summer residents laughing.Live like cockroaches in summer cottages, the police do not carry out any raids, the hand of the police is the best thing to do, so for reporting and to the people, shmones work only in large cities, allowing the migrant to move to the area that's all.
            From the rearrangement of the places of the terms the sum does not change - the iron law of mathematics in action among Russian officials, who were taught only to divide and take away.

            No, not only to share, but also to ply and multiply their wealth and their greed.
        2. Scoun
          Scoun 12 August 2013 11: 28
          +3
          Quote: avt
          Take my word for it, "combing" the markets in Moscow is a really deadly job

          It is these who are hard to comb and do not catch .. it’s like with shots in Moscow .. and they were just released once ... for dad is a brewer with officials on a short leg ...
          And the markets are mainly people from the Caucasus.

          Quote: avt
          To solve this problem - you really need to have steel eggs

          + 500
      3. domokl
        domokl 12 August 2013 09: 58
        +4
        Quote: rodevaan
        - Lord, do you believe in the seriousness of these "instructions"?

        Well, I don’t know ... The day before yesterday I was in the Trade City. There the policemen shook such a noise that the soul rejoices. The Chinese were hiding in containers. The locks were broken and pulled out.
        In fact, the policemen are now so much squeezed by the Police Act that they are afraid to fart once again. Not to work. And then the order ...
        Another thing is where to put these prisoners?
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 12 August 2013 10: 19
          +4
          what am I watching, right now, some Vietnamese are caught, and where are the guests from Central Asia? are they all legally arranged with us or pay more and the diaspora stands up for them?
          1. domokl
            domokl 12 August 2013 10: 45
            +3
            Quote: Mikado
            are they all legally arranged with us or pay more and the diaspora stands up for them?

            When the question arose about introducing visas for Tajiks from the president a little ago, he raised such a bunch ... Here they catch ... who needs lol
            1. nov_tech.vrn
              nov_tech.vrn 12 August 2013 11: 20
              +6
              they must register not at the post office, but at the migration service and register with the personal participation of the landlord (host) and taking into account square meters - this is time, it is high time for Romodanovsky’s company to deal with operas, and the real culprits should go to land with rubber apartments those who registered are two, but on the other hand, the markets themselves, this is work with diasporas and with all participants in the trade, you are responsible for the market owner, there is no owner - the market is closed.
          2. sq
            sq 12 August 2013 10: 53
            +2
            If we count on the head, then the Vietnamese during transportation fits much more than others. Here they are rowed in the first place
        2. 225chay
          225chay 12 August 2013 10: 43
          +4
          Quote: domokl
          Another thing is where to put these prisoners?

          Where? They have their own homeland ... And we have one!
        3. revnagan
          revnagan 12 August 2013 11: 39
          +9
          Quote: domokl
          Another thing is where to put these prisoners?

          Yes, everything is simple, as the Spanish caudillo said, "Everything to friends, enemies to the law." So in the case of illegal emigrants, if according to the documents this person is not in Russia, then nothing terrible will happen if he physically disappears with the help of radical local residents. But, of course, we need to change the laws. So that every illegal immigrant is a "legal prey" of the indigenous population. Then they themselves will not go here, and the problem will be solved very quickly. After that it will be possible to take on internal migrants, it will be more difficult here, but you can also think of something.
        4. rodevaan
          rodevaan 14 August 2013 02: 56
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          Quote: rodevaan
          - Lord, do you believe in the seriousness of these "instructions"?

          Well, I don’t know ... The day before yesterday I was in the Trade City. There the policemen shook such a noise that the soul rejoices. The Chinese were hiding in containers. The locks were broken and pulled out.
          In fact, the policemen are now so much squeezed by the Police Act that they are afraid to fart once again. Not to work. And then the order ...
          Another thing is where to put these prisoners?


          - So the problem is that the authorities do not care about these prisoners if they have nothing to overcome. And if the diaspora harnesses with pot-bellied bundles, then prisoners are brought to their former places.
        5. valerii41
          valerii41 17 August 2013 20: 05
          0
          Pockets turned up until the next shmon
    3. Fantomac
      Fantomac 12 August 2013 09: 23
      +7
      Still, this ax would be opened not only before the elections, the measure of Moscow, but constantly.
      1. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 14 August 2013 08: 25
        0
        and beat on the head
    4. wei
      wei 12 August 2013 10: 54
      +1
      That's just starting to dig just before the election ... request
    5. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 12 August 2013 11: 41
      +4
      Moscow is not the whole of Russia. It would be nice for the heads of the republican Ministry of Internal Affairs and Internal Affairs Directorate to open this very "ax of war" and not only on paper. And so this is only window dressing, nothing more. It is necessary to close the borders for them and ban bank transfers.
      1. Airman
        Airman 12 August 2013 12: 16
        +4
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        Moscow is not the whole of Russia. It would be nice for the heads of the republican Ministry of Internal Affairs and Internal Affairs Directorate to open this very "ax of war" and not only on paper. And so this is only window dressing, nothing more. It is necessary to close the borders for them and ban bank transfers.

        Bank transfers to ban? Bankers will raise such a VOY, because from each transfer they have their own percentage, and not a small one. And then close such a feeder.
        1. wei
          wei 12 August 2013 13: 08
          +2
          Bankers will raise such a VOY

          increase percentage
          the proceeds of the bonus money to customs (so that they would not be taken in bags)
      2. valerii41
        valerii41 17 August 2013 20: 30
        0
        In Kemerovo, in the building of the Mining Administration, the kioskers stamped a residence permit for work, it seemed to sculpt citizenship. They passed through this state as through a foreign country after the police did not put their faces on the asphalt, after which the kiosker was politely taken by the wings. The newspaper reported that workaholics police will turn the mountains, all migrants with false documents will be expelled damn paper will endure everything. The fact is that the kioskier has garter in the FMS because it’s so quiet
    6. Airman
      Airman 12 August 2013 14: 21
      +3
      Quote: Sibiryak
      Kolokoltsov opened the ax of war
      He didn’t open the ax, but pointed to the worn place to some, with a dizzy head from permissiveness.

      New information on the topic: "In St. Petersburg, unknown persons beat 6 citizens of China", that is, the people themselves, without the help of policemen, are beginning to establish order, which means patience begins to burst, and this is not entirely good. Is it really incomprehensible to those in power?
  2. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 12 August 2013 08: 28
    +8
    The problem of illegal immigrants is long overdue.

    And it must be solved in any way - it should not be so that uninvited guests are rude, rob, steal and scoff at the locals.
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 12 August 2013 08: 45
      23
      Lech, it is necessary to decide, we will not turn away. Today is the last day on vacation in Egypt. The last few days, the rest has gone a long way. This is due to the fact that crowds of Arabs fell headlong into the hotel like snow. Here, ideally licked territory began to turn into a garbage dump. Around screams, screams. Moreover, this, as I understand it, is the most well-to-do part of Arab society, rest here is not cheap. I felt sorry for the Europeans, especially the French, who have to live next to this, but they themselves are to blame.
      You can consider me a racist, but God forbid we allow such a garbage dump at home, we need an urgent tidy. We'll have to shut ourselves off for the sake of our children.
      1. ale-x
        ale-x 12 August 2013 08: 51
        +4
        It's too late, they are among us)))
      2. rodevaan
        rodevaan 12 August 2013 09: 29
        +4
        Quote: sergey32
        Lech, it is necessary to decide, we will not turn away. Today is the last day on vacation in Egypt. The last few days, the rest has gone a long way. This is due to the fact that crowds of Arabs fell headlong into the hotel like snow. Here, ideally licked territory began to turn into a garbage dump. Around screams, screams. Moreover, this, as I understand it, is the most well-to-do part of Arab society, rest here is not cheap. I felt sorry for the Europeans, especially the French, who have to live next to this, but they themselves are to blame.
        You can consider me a racist, but God forbid we allow such a garbage dump at home, we need an urgent tidy. We'll have to shut ourselves off for the sake of our children.


        - "It is necessary, it is necessary .... oh, how it should be" ... It is necessary for the ram to understand what needs to be done, and who will do it?
        1. sergey32
          sergey32 12 August 2013 10: 39
          11
          How will anyone do? There is no one else but us. I invented a method here. The hotel has a spa center, and it has a good sauna. Once the Arabs crowded into the sauna. Well, in Russian, I so succumbed to the stones with some good water and beer, after half a minute I remained a German, he still said, Oh, gut, gut. Either I liked the steam, or the freedom of movement.
          1. Manager
            Manager 12 August 2013 13: 07
            +3
            Quote: sergey32
            I invented a method here.

            Respect to you! The main thing is all culturally and within the framework of the law))))
    2. Airman
      Airman 12 August 2013 09: 30
      +7
      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      The problem of illegal immigrants is long overdue.

      And it must be solved in any way - it should not be so that uninvited guests are rude, rob, steal and scoff at the locals.

      In St. Petersburg, near the metro, about 200 people staged a rally against the dominance of illegal immigrants. They were quickly dispersed, and more than 20 people were detained. There will always be OMON against the Russians, but it is not enough against migrants.
      1. rodevaan
        rodevaan 12 August 2013 09: 41
        +4
        Quote: Povshnik
        and against migrants it is not enough.


        - No, riot police are enough for everyone, - they just release it only in certain cases ...
    3. sergey72
      sergey72 12 August 2013 09: 53
      +7
      Exactly! Recently I was traveling through Gusinka, I thought that I got to Afghanistan .... a lot of bearded.
  3. Fox
    Fox 12 August 2013 08: 37
    12
    window dressing. I’m on the vegetable market — like a raid — everything is closed, the raid is over — everything is open again.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 August 2013 09: 16
      +6
      Quote: Fox
      window dressing. I’m on the vegetable market — like a raid — everything is closed, the raid is over — everything is open again.

      Of course, window dressing, and what about upcoming checks reported earlier on TV, so that everyone would know laughing
    2. Manager
      Manager 12 August 2013 10: 54
      +3
      Quote: Fox
      window dressing. I’m on the vegetable market — like a raid — everything is closed, the raid is over — everything is open again.


      For example, in Zelenograd (Moscow region, the Kryukovo platform) there is not a small market. I’m driving along to work from work. Something there hasn’t changed, it seems even there were no checks. They stand themselves fried shawarma, but they sell different nonsense.
  4. ale-x
    ale-x 12 August 2013 08: 41
    +5
    What's the use of market raids ....? If everyone is "local" and does not really know about them since yesterday evening .... One well-known, but not named "uncle" is being promoted before the elections to the capital's mayors.
  5. medved76
    medved76 12 August 2013 08: 45
    17
    It is necessary to call a spade a spade. This is no longer illegal; they are already invaders. This is a virus, an epidemic in a state of neglect. This is a chronic disease that will be difficult or impossible to cure. Perhaps it will only be possible to transfer it to some lighter state. And it does not please.
    But besides visiting foreigners, there is one more problem. This is the so-called Russian citizens from the Caucasus who legally do not fall under any sweeps, but in fact being in a legal position, lead criminal groups and businesses.
  6. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 August 2013 08: 47
    12
    Citizens of individual republics, which in the early 90s gained "long-awaited independence" from the "hated Russian yoke", decided with strange zeal to ignore the sovereignty that had fallen on them and to approach the distance of stale breath. All the factories of the factory built during the USSR collapsed and plundered .. And I want to eat .. (Russian Ivan is all bad for them)
  7. shinobi
    shinobi 12 August 2013 08: 48
    12
    And here the comrades arose a paradoxical situation. No, I completely agree that the wool must first be the top. But the situation will not change much. Some will be put in their place, others will immediately sit down. In order for it to change, it is necessary that it would become unprofitable for black We need to go. And for this we need to have order in their homelands. And this order they had a current under the heavy hand of the USSR and the Russian Empire. That is a vicious circle. To put things in order, you need to interfere with them and establish order there. What are they, who are openly who are quietly, well, with the exception of the "elites", of course, they have been talking for a long time.
  8. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 12 August 2013 08: 58
    17
    Yesterday I went out of the woods, on a field where I used to drive horses and quietly waned, six fields are covered with red bricks (a brick factory works) in the rows between which are Chinese, Chinese, Chinese ... drivers in heavy trucks and those Chinese are not a single word in Russian, not a single person at least somehow hinting at the presence of a different nationality. The impression seemed to be on a plantation in China. The distance to the highway is about 1 km, to the city about 10 km, to the airport 11 km, to the object of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, popularly referred to as direction-finding across the field, to the second of the same object a little further. Who thought of allowing this event in such a zone. Here, obviously, it’s not a crime anymore, here it is under threat of state and national interest. And the nearest power structure is where the hell.
  9. Airman
    Airman 12 August 2013 08: 58
    20
    When they took an illegal immigrant, it is necessary not to expel him, but within 72 hours they should be judged as a foreign spy and sent to places not so remote for 2-5 years, let him earn his deportation, and 3-5 years to the employer as a foreign intelligence resident. It is no secret that many foreigners, especially the Chinese, are spies. And now feed them rice with meat, do not like buckwheat, create comfortable living conditions, and even with families. Too expensive it turns out. And when they begin to put them in camps, they themselves will flee without any deportation.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 12 August 2013 09: 30
      +4
      Very interesting thought! Now just new construction of the century will soon trample!
    2. volkodav
      volkodav 12 August 2013 11: 09
      +7
      but who will let them plant !? Putin chtoli with his pack of EP? So they are more likely for international and interfaith strife for the same period in the camp
  10. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 12 August 2013 09: 01
    +7
    As the saying goes: "Cleanly not where they clean up, but where they don't litter!" , I mean, so that THESE are not here, you need not to carry out raids (although raids of course, too, and in an extremely harsh form, so that they would be afraid), but not to let them here, strict control at the border, and control must begin with laws! At the end of the article, the author writes that most likely this is a utopia, it will be a utopia until the top of the government is cleaned up, the fists will not fight until the head gives them an impulse, and our "head" is now struck with a disease, and mine needs to be treated , treat radically!
    1. 225chay
      225chay 12 August 2013 10: 48
      +2
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      our "head" is now struck with a disease, and in my opinion it must be treated, treated radically!

      Right! Surgically.
    2. matross
      matross 12 August 2013 16: 46
      +6
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      : "Cleanly not where they clean up, but where they don't litter!" , this is me to ensure that THESE are not here, you do not need to carry out raids (although raids, of course, too, and in an extremely tough form, so that they would be afraid), and not let them here, strict control at the border,

      All right is that. But I’ve heard that there are no migrants in fraternal Belarus, because nobody buys anything from them and does not hire. Such is their public opinion. And such an approach would not hinder us at all. All their incomes are from us. We buy their goods, hire them to repair apartments, drive cars to them, etc. Is not it? Here it is - a way out of the impasse of migration, incl. and internal - not to earn, purely at the household level. For this, not much is needed, it is only necessary a common unanimous desire and understanding that this is the only way out for all of us. We rightly criticize bribe-takers for officials and greedy entrepreneurs, but if we start with ourselves, everyone will make it a rule to buy and earn money only for those whom he is pleased to see as his neighbor, this will be the beginning of the end of all this migratory Mr., whom we together resent.
  11. rodevaan
    rodevaan 12 August 2013 09: 02
    +9
    Wrote this sentence and think: utopia? ..

    I think that is utopia. Whom will all this bureaucratic thief catch? Who will be detained, expelled? Kickbacks feeding trough? Chtoli themselves will fight? There is absolutely no sense in this, because the tops are tied with the diasporas along and across.

    Only those who do not sit there, and who do not feed from there and do not store kickbacks in thick packs of chests, can fight this supreme swamp. And who could it be? Who can take such an action? The answer is that only power can isolate such forces! But how will the authorities do this if it is itself and upside down involved in this?

    Therefore - utopia. No one will destroy the feeder while it brings huge kickbacks to all the oncoming-transverse. To avert their eyes, they will find a bunch of disenfranchised slaves, make scapegoats out of them, tell the people that everything is okay / obi, and everything starts according to a standard new circle before the next incident ... According to the rolled-up scenario, again according to the same pattern, etc. .

    Or is there an alternative - hesitating to watch this, the people are arranging the next 17 years, and he will sweep away all this shushara with a pitchfork - and chubby chocks and his own bureaucratic pack in the dustbin of history ...
    1. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 12 August 2013 19: 04
      +9
      But there are no other options along the way. I am not a fascist, but looking at the photo in the article I really want to pick up a PKM with a ribbon of 200 rounds and five heels and use this fan to fan all the colors. I don’t want to live in such Russia.
  12. creak
    creak 12 August 2013 09: 04
    +9
    The article is a definite plus for a clear and logical presentation of problems in the field of migration. I wish our authorities had such common sense as the author ... In general, our leaders are distinguished by their amazing quality - inability or unwillingness (or maybe both) to solve serious problems on time, and bring them to a boiling point ... One gets the impression that state structures, despite the difference in functions, prefer to work in the style of the Ministry of Emergency Situations. In general, the tradition to create difficulties for oneself and then heroically overcome them was not born today ...
  13. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 12 August 2013 09: 05
    15
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Citizens of individual republics, which in the early 90s gained "long-awaited independence" from the "hated Russian yoke", decided with strange zeal to ignore the sovereignty that had fallen on them and to approach the distance of stale breath. All the factories of the factory built during the USSR collapsed and plundered .. And I want to eat .. (Russian Ivan is all bad for them)


    If the Uzbeks themselves say that "the Russians have left, now there is no one to work" - what does this mean? What, under the USSR, there were some Russians working at factories, and these chumbalakhvs chewed nasvai and poked around in the anus, so it turns out?
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 12 August 2013 09: 11
      +5
      Quote: Darth Revan
      What, under the USSR, some Russians worked there at the enterprises, but these chumbalahwas chewed and picked in the anus, so it turns out?

      It turns out that way...
    2. ale-x
      ale-x 12 August 2013 09: 13
      +4
      Not all, of course, but the thought as a whole is sound.
    3. alone
      alone 12 August 2013 09: 17
      +6
      the solution to this problem is to establish the supremacy of the laws of the Russian Federation throughout the country, to eradicate corruption, a strict visa regime, strengthening the work of border services.
    4. a52333
      a52333 12 August 2013 09: 21
      +9
      I lived in the exploration village of Uzbekistan, there was such a picture: miners, geologists, engineers, Slavs, Tatars. Trade Tajiks. Shovel (ketmen), Uzbek hammer.
  14. Stas
    Stas 12 August 2013 09: 15
    13
    What are you talking about. We need to start with those temporary workers who are in power, at the trough, and sell them growing. citizenship and registration - who benefits from this situation with the occupying Gaster (in 5-10 years the Gaster will finally become insolent and get to them). They need to be fined and imprisoned mercilessly. And it is imperative to introduce visas, tight control and close the border to the hell of these "friendly peoples".
    And if you do not take tough measures, then why strengthen the army and navy - after all, millions of occupiers are already in charge of the country. They threw the Russians out of their "independent" republics, and now they are trying to get us out of our home - Russia. To be honest, it's sad at heart.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 12 August 2013 09: 29
      +7
      Quote: Stas
      And if you do not take tough measures, then why strengthen the army and navy - after all, millions of occupiers are already in charge of the country. They threw the Russians out of their "independent" republics, and now they are trying to get us out of our home - Russia. To be honest, it's sad at heart.

      I just wanted to write about it, but you almost opened my mind, so I’ll supplement yours a little.
      We are now having very extensive conversations about how our army is rising, how the rearmament is going on, about the fact that we have "no analogues in the world", about how we are opposing the "decaying West", how we skillfully build geopolitics , restoring the empire, etc., etc.
      But all of you think for a second - How can Russia resist the West, at least in something, if our government has betrayed the people of Russia for a cheap price, the horde of Asians. Really, our Western colleagues, will not do the same, simply will not buy Russia with giblets from our government, and they can offer significantly more than "fraternal peoples from sunny asia."
      1. volkodav
        volkodav 12 August 2013 11: 20
        +5
        What are you talking about seditious thoughts (on this site, too) We are only shown the successes of our government in the external arena, and what kind of policies are being pursued domestically, everyone is silent about it, it’s not profitable a lot of unflattering, from this point of view, Pu and his team are not so and good
      2. valerii41
        valerii41 17 August 2013 20: 39
        +1
        Do not worry, we will put our lives, and with the Kremlin, medals on the chest will weigh a factory or a mine with slaves in the appendage
  15. koksalek
    koksalek 12 August 2013 09: 17
    +8
    It terribly strongly resembles the fight against drugs when they catch sixes and pathetic it is PR in all media such as look, it’s not for nothing that taxpayer money is being spent, the struggle is on, you see the results, we are catching them. As they say for one beaten, two unbeaten climb out in their place. Shameful window dressing commissioned by puppeteers
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 12 August 2013 11: 22
      +1
      Do you remember the 90th beginning?
    2. MAG
      MAG 12 August 2013 11: 50
      +2
      Of course, window dressing again distracts attention, but I have not yet understood from WHAT. We also had a riot police raid on the market and FMS guess what number, yes you guessed it))) on August 2, then when the market did not work and as many as 20 migrants were detained (the campaign was not the smartest). About drugs, the main flow to the Urals and Moscow goes through the market in Zaostrovka (Perm) and there are no raids because it is paid.
  16. Airman
    Airman 12 August 2013 09: 18
    10
    As long as the power-holders benefit from a cheap (for them, but very expensive for us) labor force, everything will remain the same. Even Onishchenko was unable to stop the heroin trains. We pay for 201 bases in Tajikistan with millions of dollars and millions more migrants, isn't the price too high? In Russia, domestic policy is conducted against its own people, with the maximum favor of aliens: simplified acquisition of citizenship, no control over them, etc.
    Kolokoltsev will soon be given the command to "hang up" and everything will return to normal. I DO NOT BELIEVE in this POWER, or rather anarchy.
  17. pensioner
    pensioner 12 August 2013 09: 22
    +5
    Thanks to the author! As always talented. And the problem with illegal immigrants and immigrants is not completely solved. Russia will face it constantly. It is only possible to restore relative order in this area. For at least the next 10-15 years, the problem will be considerable, since we cannot make them respect our laws and adhere to the norms of behavior accepted in our country ... Only a whip. In three fingers. As the youth says, IMHO.
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    2. ebrd
      ebrd 12 August 2013 10: 16
      18
      RODEVAAN ... I agree with you on all points. I live in Belarus, two months ago I had a business trip to Moscow, was just dumbfounded on arrival - is it Moscow or Dushanbe? ... around the Tajiks and who the hell knows who ... nobody in Belarus will hire us a foreigner without a long-term registration and work permit - this is fraught with a large fine and strict control over it - no employer will take risks - there is no need to make a sheepskin! The employer again issues the work permit with justification of the value of this employee and the inability to find one on the labor market. Being in the territory of the Republic of Belarus without registration is again a fine, if it is impossible to pay for it - deportation and the inability to enter the Republic of Belarus for 5 years. Sure, if desired , you would bring order to two accounts in the Russian Federation-- and all these migrants would fly out like traffic jams ...
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      2. vadimN
        vadimN 12 August 2013 14: 30
        +5
        Your Old Man is well done, he knows how to save something else that is necessary and important from his former life ... Give him to us as president of Russia! (the state is formally union laughing And Putin at the premiere of him, or at the head of the Foreign Ministry. At the international level, he is doing better than in domestic politics ...
        1. alone
          alone 12 August 2013 14: 43
          +4
          I will also give an example. In our country, too, the Chinese were hanging out at one time, they began to create their triads. So they were all thrown out of the country with a lifelong deportation in an instant.
        2. valerii41
          valerii41 17 August 2013 20: 41
          0
          Better yet, pee urinates
  19. pinecone
    pinecone 12 August 2013 09: 24
    +6
    The primary problem that threatens the preservation of the state integrity of the country and the survival of its indigenous population. One-off events carried out by the forces of the Moscow GUVD within the framework of the election campaign for the capital's mayor, or, as the author correctly noted, "momentary activity" is clearly not enough. Here all the bells must be struck, but on the part of the official authorities there is a deaf silence.
  20. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 12 August 2013 09: 27
    13
    It is impossible to close the borders so that people do not leak through them. A radical increase in barriers will simply lead to a change in the composition of these people. If we put a sieve of a certain shape - we should not be surprised that only such selected ones will crawl through it. That is - protecting the border with a tougher law, we must prepare for the fact that exclusively outside the law will crawl through it.
    Why didn't the "migrants" go to the USSR? Because his entire internal structure was against such a phenomenon. This means that we must bring the structure of our country closer in this parameter to the orders of the USSR. How? Well ... The very concept of a diaspora should be equated with an organized criminal group, and it is enough that a person has conducted at least some kind of business with a "national flavor." Diaspora functionary? 10 years of planing, at least. One of the recognized leaders, a "question solver"? Lifetime.
    For just people who came honestly to earn money (in general, we need good workers). Russian language! Do you want to work here? Pass the exam, and without any time for preparation. There was time in your homeland, there is such a thing - a textbook. For any attempt at compact living - a filtration camp for half a year, with work for 12-14 hours, so that they work out the deportation (they’re free to ride for free) and then under the knee. Rent an apartment and live like us, among other people in our country and not in an ethnic group that is turning too quickly into a gang.
    Did the official get into the deal with a national touch? Confiscation and all the same ten. For inciting ethnic hatred. Something like that...
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 12 August 2013 09: 36
      +5
      Quote: Mikhail3

      Did the official get into the deal with a national touch? Confiscation and all the same ten. For inciting ethnic hatred. Something like that...


      - Here again the last sentence is the most urgent! Immediately a question - who will attract and judge this go-evil official? The same officials with whom this fat pig drinks vodka at some dacha? Do you yourself believe in the justice of such a "justice"?
    2. soaring
      soaring 12 August 2013 16: 33
      +2
      Michael3, I completely agree with you! AT ALL 1000% +++++
    3. valerei
      valerei 12 August 2013 19: 09
      +6
      Mikhail3, In the USSR, everyone had a job on the ground. Work is often stupid and unprofitable in all respects. But in Soviet times this did not matter much and all losses were covered from the budget of the USSR. And the budget of the USSR contained: the RSFSR, USSR, BSSR and Azerbaijan SSR. All the rest were parasites. And what about migrants, then on this site this topic is raised regularly and already 5 or 6 times, and so what? But nothing. Nobody reads our comments.
      1. rodevaan
        rodevaan 14 August 2013 03: 00
        0
        Quote: valerei
        Mikhail3, In the USSR, everyone had a job on the ground. Work is often stupid and unprofitable in all respects. But in Soviet times this did not matter much and all losses were covered from the budget of the USSR. And the budget of the USSR contained: the RSFSR, USSR, BSSR and Azerbaijan SSR. All the rest were parasites. And what about migrants, then on this site this topic is raised regularly and already 5 or 6 times, and so what? But nothing. Nobody reads our comments.


        - Yes, even if they read, - what will change? Well, everyone laughs.
  21. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 12 August 2013 09: 29
    +3
    Not where you guys start. Water runs into the lowlands. How many years have a Russian peasant been soldered? I remember in 1977 a friend with Ryazan said that on weekends in the city everyone in the insole is drunk, drunk so much that incest often happens in families because they drink together. Had to stop it. But how? who solders a Russian peasant? His own Russian men. That is, first there is internal destruction, and then strangers seize jobs and markets. Of course, the Caucasus and Central Asia are oversaturated with what you lack - manpower. So they take vacancies. But the author is not talking about hard workers who scribble your yards, but about the bosses of the business, but here, of course, you need to understand. That is, the problem looks like this: negative population growth => criminalization of retail chains => criminalization of society. Russia loses about 1% of the population, mostly Russian, per year. The reason is drunkenness.
    1. Sour
      Sour 12 August 2013 10: 54
      +7
      The reason is not drunkenness, but low birth rates. I don’t remember any of my acquaintances who, in recent years, drank themselves and died. Of my classmates, only one is like that, and that died in 1992. Don't exaggerate mortality from drunkenness. By the way, migrants also drink oh-oh. I observe it myself. Uzbeks and Azerbaijanis gorging beer from their throats (they especially love strong "hunting") is a common sight on the streets of Russian cities.
      And the birth rate is low due to the fact that the family is less and less the main value for people.
    2. 225chay
      225chay 12 August 2013 10: 55
      +8
      Quote: Asan Ata
      Russia loses about 1% of the population, mostly Russian, per year. The reason is drunkenness.

      The reason is the suppression of national identity by a foreign government!
    3. rodevaan
      rodevaan 12 August 2013 12: 47
      +3
      Quote: Asan Ata
      Not where you guys start. Water runs into the lowlands. How many years have a Russian peasant been soldered? I remember in 1977 a friend with Ryazan said that on weekends in the city everyone in the insole is drunk, drunk so much that incest often happens in families because they drink together. Had to stop it. But how? who solders a Russian peasant? His own Russian men. That is, first there is internal destruction, and then strangers seize jobs and markets. Of course, the Caucasus and Central Asia are oversaturated with what you lack - manpower. So they take vacancies. But the author is not talking about hard workers who scribble your yards, but about the bosses of the business, but here, of course, you need to understand. That is, the problem looks like this: negative population growth => criminalization of retail chains => criminalization of society. Russia loses about 1% of the population, mostly Russian, per year. The reason is drunkenness.


      - Well, no need here again this old hackneyed la-la about Russian drunkenness! Come on, move away from the stereotypes of the so-called "Russian drunkenness" inspired from the West. In Russia, they drink no less than in the same west, or even less. Have you read how much Czechs drink? And the Poles? And the Finns? And how much do they drink in Ping-Dostan? These are drunks still those! They have more people dying from drunkenness than ours.
      I am a typical generation of the 90s, but I didn’t drink too much? And besides me, there are a lot of those who did not drink too much, although there were hopelessness, but what was not there ...
      The whole point is not in drunkenness, but in education!
      1. QWERTY
        QWERTY 12 August 2013 20: 02
        +3
        Finns generally are still bruised ... In a bar, for example, they don’t take a snack for drinks in most people - they just drink. Until they reach the right condition. Save? It is unlikely that just if the goal is to get drunk, why prevent this snack.
  22. pv1005
    pv1005 12 August 2013 09: 29
    +8
    We urgently need to amend the law on Russian citizenship. To exclude the clause stating that anyone born on its territory is recognized as a citizen of the Russian Federation. Now try to depart the parents of illegal immigrants, a minor "Russian". And there are more and more illegal mothers with pregnancy certificates.
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 15 August 2013 15: 09
      0
      Quote: pv1005
      Delete the clause stating that anyone born on its territory is recognized as a citizen of the Russian Federation

      There is no such clause in the law "On Citizenship of the Russian Federation"
  23. Tykta
    Tykta 12 August 2013 09: 33
    -4
    it all began with Magi, who is a Dagestani and not an emigrant, reflected in the Central Asians, who are really, in the majority of their mass, hard workers, not hucksters. stupid position of the author who pays attention to show, and not to what lies in the roots of hostility, both to Central Asians - labor migrants, and Caucasians, our "compatriots"
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 12 August 2013 09: 42
      +6
      Quote: Tykta
      it all started with Magee, who is a Dagestani and not an emigrant, reflected on the Central Asians, who are really hard workers in the majority of their masses, not hucksters


      In addition to the case with the "magician", there are thousands of even more egregious incidents associated with Asians, so there is no need to write them all down as "hard workers" - most migrants do not understand what they are doing and have nothing to do with work.

      Here is a very fresh event:

      Four natives of Central Asia severely beat the residents of Solnechnogorsk, who reprimanded them on the street. The incident took place on Sunday night. According to the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the Moscow Region, 35-year-old and 28-year-old local residents noticed a noisy group of visitors on one of the streets and, asking them to be quiet, moved on. After a while, several people caught up with the young people and beat them with a bat and a metal bar. The victims were taken to hospital in grave condition. - "Vesti FM" reports on the page: http://radiovesti.ru/article/show/article_id/102059

      Russia is drowning in Asian crime, and people are bleeding. Tough and extremely radical measures are needed and everyone who is involved in migrant chaos should be punished - from the most senior Russian leaders to the wildest Tajik polisher. And they need to be sent out of the country en masse, in millions, but it is better to send them to the Gulag for the construction of BAM-2.
      1. rodevaan
        rodevaan 12 August 2013 09: 54
        +6
        Quote: Warrawar
        Tough and extremely radical measures are needed and everyone who is involved in migrant chaos should be punished - from the most senior Russian leaders to the wildest Tajik polisher. And they need to be sent out of the country en masse, in millions, but it is better to send them to the Gulag for the construction of BAM-2.


        - Yes, that's all. Everyone already understands this. I live in Vladivostok - I’ll save everyone from them all - there are only one black faces everywhere.
        The question is - who will implement these "extremely radical" measures? Who will punish?
      2. Tykta
        Tykta 12 August 2013 09: 54
        +4
        minus why? let me give you an example where a Caucasian came into a bus and shot a bus driver for not having lost the way, with a combat pistol, though he got it after mounting? the result - our foot is shot through ... so it is ours! that Caucasian, compatriot! not a labor migrant? Do you understand that you are raising questions in the wrong plane?
      3. Tykta
        Tykta 12 August 2013 10: 13
        +3
        a hard substitution of concepts and a shift of attention from Caucasian criminals to Asian, as if Caucasians are mimimi kittens ... I’m ready to put up with hard-working Asians, but only those with a logical device can tolerate Caucasians bandits
      4. 225chay
        225chay 12 August 2013 11: 02
        +6
        Quote: Warrawar
        Four natives of Central Asia brutally beat residents of Solnechnogorsk

        Even earlier, it went beyond the Internet and the press altogether "
        The son of the head of the "clan" Feroyanov in the Ivanovo region, in whose hands almost all business (construction, trade, agricultural) is concentrated, part-time DEPUTY of United Russia, beat a police officer with accomplices and broke his head with a bat "then the law of" asphalt striking the head "comes into force and slowly begin to reformulate the crime
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 12 August 2013 11: 06
      +8
      Quote: Tykta
      it all started with Magee, who is a Dagestan and not an emigrant,

      - Every second crime (uncovered) in Moscow will be committed by migrants. Source: Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin
      - 80% of murders in the capital are committed by foreign migrants. Source: Head of the GUMVD of Moscow Anatoly Yakunin
      - More than 90 thousand murders, remains unsolved. About 200 of thousands of cases of grievous bodily harm remain unsolved. Source: Advisor to the Minister of the Interior Vladimir Ovchinsky
      - The number of serious crimes committed in Moscow increased by 2012% in the first half of the year 6. Source: Victoria Tsyplenkova, official representative of the Moscow Department of the TFR
      - 25% more murders and attempted murders committed than last year. Crimes related to the intentional infliction of grievous bodily harm - by 20%. Related to drug trafficking - by 15%. Source: Yuri Demidov, Head of the Main Directorate for Public Order Protection of the Ministry of Internal Affairs
      - The Ministry of Internal Affairs abandoned the idea of ​​re-creating the department for combating organized crime. Source: Ministry of Internal Affairs News
      - In the capital, street crime increased by 27%. Source: Head of the GUMVD of Moscow Anatoly Yakunin

      Is it enough?
  24. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 12 August 2013 09: 39
    +3
    Quote: a52333
    I lived in the exploration village of Uzbekistan, there was such a picture: miners, geologists, engineers, Slavs, Tatars. Trade Tajiks. Shovel (ketmen), Uzbek hammer.

    That is, they did not aspire to education in the Union, but what can we say now, when schools were closed there, and the elder can only teach a donkey to shine!
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 12 August 2013 09: 45
      +6
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      Quote: a52333
      I lived in the exploration village of Uzbekistan, there was such a picture: miners, geologists, engineers, Slavs, Tatars. Trade Tajiks. Shovel (ketmen), Uzbek hammer.

      That is, they did not aspire to education in the Union, but what can we say now, when schools were closed there, and the elder can only teach a donkey to shine!



      - You forget that under the Soviet Union civilization was given to them only for a relative 50 incomplete years. And under feudalism, they have been living for a century? Exactly. And all these "customs" must be eradicated for a very long time before humans become civilized. Here, too, more than one century of educating the masses is needed. Too little time has passed to make this herd of sheep a civilized, loyal society.
      The union collapsed, and again they began to live as they always had.
      1. valerii41
        valerii41 17 August 2013 21: 03
        0
        A European with a Papuan at Oxford received diplomas and washed this event. A European says to Papuan you will return to your homeland, you will fight and kill your fellow tribesmen with a stone ax. The answer we Christians bury, bury in the ground. Papuans in horror how to dig into the earth so villainy we do not do this, we fry and eat
  25. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 12 August 2013 09: 46
    +6
    Quote: Tykta
    it all began with Magi, who is a Dagestani and not an emigrant, reflected in the Central Asians, who are really, in the majority of their mass, hard workers, not hucksters. stupid position of the author who pays attention to show, and not to what lies in the roots of hostility, both to Central Asians - labor migrants, and Caucasians, our "compatriots"

    And in my understanding, all of them, regardless of profession (builder, trader, etc.) are mostly ethnic crime? Lately, due to the nature of my profession, I often have to go to Moscow courts and prosecutors, well, 1 Russian ... villains account for 9 Russian villain, regardless of their ethnic origin ... and this is a shame to say in the capital Slavic state!
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 12 August 2013 09: 49
      +6
      Quote: Prapor Afonya

      And in my understanding, all of them, regardless of profession (builder, trader, etc.) are mostly ethnic crime? Lately, due to the nature of my profession, I often have to go to Moscow courts and prosecutors, well, 1 Russian ... villains account for 9 Russian villain, regardless of their ethnic origin ... and this is a shame to say in the capital Slavic state!


      - I repeat to you, what do you want from the savages who live in tribal communities? They behave as they always behaved before entering the "capital of the Slavic state". In another way, they do not know how and do not want.
      But the Slavs must be given a turnip for being colonized, but they were not included in civilization ...
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 12 August 2013 09: 54
        +5
        Quote: rodevaan
        But the Slavs must be given a turnip for being colonized, but they were not included in civilization ...

        What kind of colonized there. Colonized England and sucked blood from its periphery for centuries, and we did not colonize anyone, but were engaged in "benevolence" at the expense of the metropolis (that is, colonization is the opposite) and no one thanked us.
        1. rodevaan
          rodevaan 12 August 2013 10: 00
          -2
          Quote: Warrawar
          Quote: rodevaan
          But the Slavs must be given a turnip for being colonized, but they were not included in civilization ...

          What kind of colonized there. Colonized England and sucked blood from its periphery for centuries, and we did not colonize anyone, but were engaged in "benevolence" at the expense of the metropolis (that is, colonization is the opposite) and no one thanked us.


          - Why not? The Russian Empire was the same colonizer like all other France-England, only unlike them we did not suck blood and juices to the same extent as those "civilizers", and so far retained almost all colonized territories.
          Our expansion did not extend to any Cook Islands that were not needed by anyone; we purposefully marched to the mainland. Therefore, we now have at our disposal 1/6 of the land and huge resources.
          And all the rest of the England-custody looking at this clap their teeth.
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 12 August 2013 10: 05
            +3
            Quote: rodevaan
            - Why not? The Russian Empire was the same colonizer like all other France-England, only unlike them we did not suck blood and juices to the same extent as those "civilizers", and so far retained almost all colonized territories.
            Our expansion did not extend to any Cook Islands that were not needed by anyone; we purposefully marched to the mainland. Therefore, we now have at our disposal 1/6 of the land and huge resources.
            And all the rest of the England-custody looking at this clap their teeth.

            Well, most of the current territories of Russia were acquired before the emergence of the Empire, and here the situation is completely different. But we are talking about the states of Central Asia and the Caucasus, and I was just talking about them.
            1. rodevaan
              rodevaan 12 August 2013 10: 17
              +1
              Quote: Warrawar

              Well, most of the current territories of Russia were acquired before the emergence of the Empire, and here the situation is completely different. But we are talking about the states of Central Asia and the Caucasus, and I was just talking about them.


              - Well, how so? I’m talking about Transcaucasia and Central Asia and I’m talking. The Caucasian war of 1817-1864, which was led by Alexander II, lasted almost 50 years, and the troops fought there for a long time. As a result, all the savages there uncovered and the Caucasus was annexed to Russia. But this happened by historical standards recently - only in the 19th century.
              Further, the expansion of Russia in Central Asia during the XNUMXth century, the so-called Turkestan campaigns, was a series of full-fledged military operations to conquer vast territories - the Bukhara Emirate, the Khiva Khanate, Kokand, the annexation of Turkmenistan, the establishment of control over the Pamir, etc. After the pacification of these vast Central Asian lands, Russia began to pursue its colonial policy in this region - this is the upholding of its national interests as opposed to the British Empire. A great game against the Anglo-Saxons and then was conducted by all available methods.
              After the defeat of the British in Afghanistan, Britain no longer had the strength to invade Central Asia and oust Russia from there, and our policy in this region firmly left these lands behind.
            2. rodevaan
              rodevaan 12 August 2013 10: 22
              -2
              we acquired a lot of territory in a very short time, and we had very little time to master all these territories. In this, too, I consider a minus.
              1. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 12 August 2013 11: 56
                +6
                Unlike the Anglo-Saxons, the Russians in the occupied territories did not impose their culture and religion and tried to raise them to their level of development. If not for the USSR, they now still lived in the Middle Ages.
                1. rodevaan
                  rodevaan 12 August 2013 12: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: ivshubarin
                  Unlike the Anglo-Saxons, the Russians in the occupied territories did not impose their culture and religion and tried to raise them to their level of development. If not for the USSR, they now still lived in the Middle Ages.


                  - I totally agree! There is only one BUT - what do you think, if the Russians would impose their will there and softly or hard Russified all these peoples and territories! - What do you think - would every court and every tribe cry now about its stupid "independence"?

                  I think they would be already Russian about the mentality, and would be a loyal population.
              2. rodevaan
                rodevaan 12 August 2013 12: 23
                0
                Let me clarify the situation about the "minus" - I meant that we had too little time for the development and development of these territories! This is what I wanted to say, not that we have a lot of them.
    2. Tykta
      Tykta 12 August 2013 10: 05
      +1
      but let's not talk about understanding, but how did the stripping begin, and why do you catch Lulsa from what should frighten? this is just a pretentious rhetoric of power - if they wanted to fight ethnic organized crime, they would not fight in our cities, but in the Caucasus in due time ... for me this is all a show-off ...
      the prehistory - down sign that allegedly touched the girl, came the garbage which is paid by the very relatives who made a storm. they are Dagestanis and our compatriots, and are not emigrants. it is reliably known that they paid bribes to musar, because of which all the conflict and passive behavior of musar, as a result - the head of the internal affairs department who was protecting those dagovs who had flown out of office, then cleared the markets in order to bring down a wave of regular muslim bribes from guest workers on Asians ..
      CONCLUSION: In order to ward off suspicion, they went to clean the markets, as if no one understands that bribery in their midst is a common occurrence. a specific ethnic diaspora of the beginning (dagi) of Buch, which swept widely in Runet, at least 10-15 top LJ posts in a week, and a photo of rubbish with a dented forehead as a slogan of fighting chocks ... well - dugs broke ... what actions undertaken with respect to the dugs ?! those who in that buch were given a deadline, and rightly so ... but how to determine their status - go home to Russia ?! so they are so in Russia ..
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 12 August 2013 10: 13
        +2
        Quote: Tykta
        and a photo of rubbish with a dented forehead as a slogan of fighting chocks ... well - dugs broke ... what actions have been taken regarding dugs ?! those who in that buch were given a deadline, and rightly so ... but how to determine their status - go home to Russia ?! so they are so in Russia ..

        What is the dispute about? There are indeed a lot of problems with Caucasians, but migrants from Asia take in numbers, because there are much more of them. But both of them are worth each other. And it is necessary to solve with both categories, and in the Caucasus it is even more difficult to solve, because they are really "Russians".
        1. Tykta
          Tykta 12 August 2013 10: 28
          0
          no one will fight with Caucasians, is it like bees against honey ... does it make sense to fight with Asians? for the most part they are a rather ugly and slaughtered people, slaves of our officials without rights
  26. pa_nik
    pa_nik 12 August 2013 10: 01
    +4
    Quote: seasoned
    It is also necessary to fight officials and employers by tightening legislation


    I would start from this. recourse Without the appropriate "support" our "guests" are quite modest and cultured people. And knowing about your invulnerability, you can already look at the locals with a challenge. If anything - the guys "in gray" will hand over, and then the state will twist and wrap. car, just go. A recent example - a girl with an injury, but you never know .. Close - no problem. The situation in the Moscow opera market has developed in the right direction, in my opinion, largely due to video filming, which did not make it possible to "expand" the business by 180 degrees. Otherwise, we could learn about the new "werewolf in uniform", for example, or learn nothing. belay Health to him .. the rest - good luck winked
    1. Tykta
      Tykta 12 August 2013 11: 01
      +5
      the head of the police department flew off and cleansings began ... flew off so much that Putin himself spoke out about bribery and corruption among the police, but managed to reduce Runet’s hysteria to the plane of mass purges of migrants from Central Asia, but what about ?! What happened to the dugs who broke the skull? put a couple, and the rest? go home dagi ?! go home in rush? nothing happened and will not happen to them, in the forefront of the gallery, they are watching, eating popcorn ... a demonstrative hypocritical action of the authorities
  27. Megatron
    Megatron 12 August 2013 10: 10
    +5
    The title of the article is too pretentious, what kind of "dug up the ax of war" ?!
    If Putin at a meeting with the presidents of different Churkestans only expands their rights to come, work, etc. ....
  28. avt
    avt 12 August 2013 10: 10
    +4
    Quote: sergey72
    Exactly! Recently I was traveling through Gusinka, I thought that I got to Afghanistan .... a lot of bearded.

    In Moscow, it was in the hotel "Sevastopol", it was actually the introduction of the mujakhets, but it seems they cleaned it up a long time ago, but now it has not been there, they may have crawled again.
  29. Imigrantt
    Imigrantt 12 August 2013 10: 14
    +1
    good The main thing is that not only in Moscow but throughout Russia !!! Yes, and the full program !!! And toughen the legislation !!! am
  30. AK-47
    AK-47 12 August 2013 10: 14
    +6
    Crime, yes, but there is one more threat, they, emigrants, are intensely naturalizing, creating communities, fraternities, faiths, they are introducing their customs, culture, religion. Given their ability to reproduce, it may happen that at one point their numbers and influence on the political life of Russia will allow dictating conditions to indigenous people, imposing culture and religion.
    1. valton
      valton 17 August 2013 02: 43
      0
      An example of this is Egypt.
  31. yurii p
    yurii p 12 August 2013 10: 15
    +5
    as usual, they start from the bottom, but you have to think they didn’t come and settled the empty enterprises, I think it won’t lead to anything, they will report about the next campaign, we’ll receive money for the demonstration, and the swamp will again drag out the duckweed. An example of the former deputy prosecutor Ignatiev an example of this.
  32. Warrawar
    Warrawar 12 August 2013 10: 20
    +6
    One thing pleases - more and more people are realizing what evil the so-called "migration from fraternal republics" is. When I tried to raise the topic of migration a few months ago, the majority of the forum met this with hostility, they say, "Why are you our compatriots, we are rebuilding the Empire."
    And in general I ask myself a question - in general, how relevant is the topic of "recreating the Empire" if Russia, even in its current form, is actually an Empire.
    But be that as it may ... The empire must be built with truly "brotherly" peoples, primarily Slavic, and not look for brothers, around his neck, for three nine lands. And so close to Somalia and "brotherhood".
    1. Tykta
      Tykta 12 August 2013 10: 34
      -2
      listen carefully and remember for your whole smelly crap life ... while the Chechens slaughtered and shot our soldiers in the back, those peoples from Central Asia stood shoulder to shoulder with our grandfathers, there was a massive evacuation to Central Asia, both of the population and enterprises, and they were helped there and met as relatives. therefore, you are just scum for whom Bender crest is closer than those with your deeds and patience helped to survive in that war.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 12 August 2013 10: 39
        +5
        Quote: Tykta
        listen carefully and remember for your whole smelly crap life ... while the Chechens slaughtered and shot our soldiers in the back, those peoples from Central Asia stood shoulder to shoulder with our grandfathers, there was a massive

        Be careful with your expressions. And I don’t need to tell stories about "stood shoulder to shoulder". Russians have been purged and purged throughout the post-Soviet space, especially in Central Asia. And in World War II, they did not fight, even Stalin forbade them to be mobilized into the Red Army, because he perfectly understood what these people were like. Yes, and in the 2st world they shit on the Russians. Well, if you want to fraternize with Asians, your right, I'm not going to persuade you. Just watch your tongue.
        1. Tykta
          Tykta 12 August 2013 10: 42
          +2
          clear... another pro-Putin liberal revisionist
          http://bey.livejournal.com/188149.html?thread=710133
        2. rodevaan
          rodevaan 12 August 2013 10: 52
          +3
          Quote: Warrawar

          Be careful with your expressions. And I don’t need to tell stories about "stood shoulder to shoulder". Russians have been purged and purged throughout the post-Soviet space, especially in Central Asia. And in World War II, they did not fight, even Stalin forbade them to be mobilized into the Red Army, because he perfectly understood what these people were like. Yes, and in the 2st world they shit on the Russians. Well, if you want to fraternize with Asians, your right, I'm not going to persuade you. Just watch your tongue.


          - No, well, here your opponent is right - in the sense that there were quite a few fighters from Central Asia in the Red Army, and they fought and tried as best they could at the front. The fact that we were shoulder to shoulder with ours is also true, for the Red Army was multinational as the whole composition of the USSR. And in the evacuation of many Russian families in Central Asia helped. It must be admitted. The USSR was building an international state. This was one of the main ideologies of the country. And the propaganda of the preaching of equality and the brotherhood of all nations. And so the bulk of the people did not share each other on a national basis. Another thing is that in the USSR nationalists were immediately chopped off, the benefit of the KGB was strictly and tirelessly following this, and if suddenly some left-wing rumors appeared somewhere, the boshkas immediately turned off. Even before the rallies-gatherings did not bring the matter. Therefore, all these diasporas and other ethnic criminal slots sat far underground and did not create the lawlessness that we see now.
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 12 August 2013 11: 21
            +5
            Quote: rodevaan
            - No, well, here your opponent is right - in the sense that there were quite a lot of fighters from Central Asia in the Red Army

            Losses in World War 2, by nationality:
            Russians 5756 thousand people 66,56%
            Ukrainians 1377 thousand people 15,93%
            Belarusians 252,9 thousand people 2,92%
            The total share of Slavic losses, of the total number of deaths 85,4%

            Now the loss of central asia
            Kazakhs 125,5 thousand 1,45%
            Uzbeks 117,9 thousand 1,36%
            Kyrgyzstan 26,6 thousand 0,31%
            Tajiks 22,9 thousand 0,26%
            Turkmens 21,3 thousand 0,25%
            The total share of 3,63% of the total number of losses

            Now the loss of Caucasian peoples
            Armenians 83,7 0,97%
            Georgians 79,5 0,92%
            Azerbaijanis 58,4 0,68%
            Nationalities of Dagestan 11,1 0,13%
            Ossetians 10,7 0,12%
            Total loss 2,82% of total

            So, to say that the fact that there were a lot of Central Asians in the Red Army is wrong, because there were few of them, only 3,6%. A little more than Caucasians, of whom 2,8% were.
            1. rodevaan
              rodevaan 12 August 2013 13: 03
              +2
              Quote: Warrawar

              Losses in World War 2, by nationality


              - I understand about the total loss. But you do not forget:
              1. What then in the 40s among the 194 million population of the USSR share
              Slavic population was somewhere around 80-85%.
              2. The most trained soldiers of the Red Army, who took the brunt of the Nazis at the beginning of the war, and suffered the most severe losses were of Slavic nationality — the Russians and Ukrainians. I mean the military personnel. This was later, when the staff was thoroughly knocked out in 41-42 years - they began to call on the unprepared Central Asians and Caucasians, who were trained and entered into battle by Russian veteran fighters.

              And if we compare these indicators now, then the loss ratio is quite comparable.

              Further, often I had to read memoirs of generals, officers, and just war veterans about the high mortality rate among Central Asian fighters, as the most unprepared for modern combat conditions with modern weapons and equipment.
            2. Tykta
              Tykta 12 August 2013 13: 17
              +1
              your nonsense statistics! every third was not Russian, the loss of the Chechen-Ingush 2 thousand people, this is just an indicator of how they related to that war ... they killed more of ours than they lost against the Nazis, and we fought with the Nazis, with those whom you now praise .

              No. Nationality Number in the USSR in 1939 The number of dead military personnel% in the population of the USSR in 1939 % of the total number of dead military personnel% of dead military personnel of the total number of this nationality
              1 Русских 99.591.520 5.756.000 58,39% 66,40% 5,78%
              2 Украинцев 28.111.007 1.377.400 16,48% 15,89% 4,90%
              3 Белорусов 5.275.393 252.900 3,09% 2,92% 4,79%
              4 Узбеков 4.845.140 117.900 2,84% 1,36% 2,43%
              5 Татар 4.313.488 187.700 2,53% 2,17% 4,35%
              6 Казахов 3.100.949 125.500 1,82% 1,45% 4,05%
              7 Евреев 3.028.538 142.500 1,78% 1,64% 4,71%
              8 Азербайджанцев 2.275.678 58.400 1,33% 0,67% 2,57%
              9 Грузин 2.249.636 79.500 1,32% 0,92% 3,53%
              10 Армян 2.152.860 83.700 1,26% 0,97% 3,89%
              11 Чувашей 1.369.574 63.300 0,80% 0,73% 4,62%
              12 Таджиков 1.229.170 22.900 0,72% 0.26% 3,37%
              13 Киргизов 884.615 26.600 0,51% 0,31% 3,01%
              14 Народности Дагестана 857.499 11.100 0,50% 0,13% 1,29%
              15 Башкир 843.648 31.700 0,49% 0,37% 3,76%
              16 Туркмен 812.404 21.300 0,48% 0,25% 2,62%
              17 Удмуртов 606.326 23.200 0,36% 0,27% 3,83%
              18 Чечен/Ингушей 500.088 2.300 0,29% 0,03% 0,46%
              19 Марийцев 481.587 20.900 0,28% 0,24% 4,34%
              20 Осетин 354.818 10.700 0,21% 0,12% 3,02%
      2. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 12 August 2013 13: 03
        +2
        the plus sign for remembering the good, we must remember it, if there is order and strength, then workers from the Asian republics behave very correctly, and the older generation also remember the times of the USSR, and young people are stuffed with swill mixed on nationalism and the State Department’s fairy tales about Russia's weaknesses, therefore - if you want to work, you comply with our laws, you don’t want to, pay the deportation, or work and go home, they do not respect the weak, but to good comrades from the FMS, confiscation and a free ticket to the north of the country.
  33. rodevaan
    rodevaan 12 August 2013 10: 27
    +6
    Well, gentlemen, all this is talk in favor of the poor. Must-not. Everyone already understands that it is necessary to solve the problem.

    The main question is - HOW DO I DO THIS? Are there any versions?
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  34. Daler
    Daler 12 August 2013 10: 29
    +6
    The main problem of migrants is that they travel to Russia with their customs, and in some cases even impose it on others. Well, they do not respect the culture of others, customs, rules. Hence the hatred of the Russians.
    Look at America, no one there says so about migrants, because they have strict laws with them. You cut a ram on the street, put them in jail and fined. You pray on the street, the same thing, for the terror in Guantanamo, well, or deportation.
    Here are the Chinese, there should be a lot in the Russian Federation, but for some reason no one remembers them ... because they don’t meditate on the street, and go quietly earning themselves.

    It is as if first of all you need to find real and honest Russians (not Jews) who care about Russians and not about their pockets. I talked with those who came from the Russian Federation, they say so when the raid, they are taken to cameras, taken 200 m away and taking 1000-2000 rubles each, they let everyone go. Those who have everything with documents are just released ...

    You think correctly here, but you cannot act. Just think this is bad, it is a pity that you are not deputies, and ministers.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 12 August 2013 10: 32
      +4
      Quote: Daler

      You think correctly here, but you cannot act. Just think this is bad, it is a pity that you are not deputies, and ministers.


      - Exactly. The only true sentence. Q.E.D.
      The question is not that they don’t see the problem, but that everyone sees and knows everything very well. That's just who will really do something, and not just 3,14 ride?
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  35. Djubal
    Djubal 12 August 2013 10: 30
    +3
    Are you illegally in the country / working? -Criminal!
    Deportation? -Figushki!
    You will work / stay where you will be awarded for your crime, legally, but for free!
    He worked off the crime and then to his independent homeland with a clear conscience ...
  36. Letterksi
    Letterksi 12 August 2013 10: 32
    +5
    The article, with fear, bypassed the main culprits in migration
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 12 August 2013 10: 42
      +3
      Quote: LetterKsi
      The article, with fear, bypassed the main culprits in migration

      And so it’s clear who the main culprit is the officials who profit from this. And they should be put on the country, because they do not connect their future with it and everyone has already prepared in advance warm places for themselves, in different parts of the world.
  37. Megatron
    Megatron 12 August 2013 10: 36
    +4
    Someone is the culprit, he is the only one - "the leader of the nation".
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 12 August 2013 10: 54
      +4
      Quote: Megatron
      Someone is the culprit, he is the only one - "the leader of the nation".

      Don't oversimplify. There, for one "leader of the nation" there is still a whole pack of smaller bipods. Generally rotted at all levels - from the "chief" to the very last district police and the head of the housing office.
  38. rodevaan
    rodevaan 12 August 2013 10: 41
    +2
    Gentlemen, we stray from the main topic to the grandmother's lamentations and lamentations "how bad everything is!"

    Everyone is to blame. Question - what to do? Are there versions of a solution to the problem?
  39. Warrawar
    Warrawar 12 August 2013 10: 45
    +5
    Quote: rodevaan
    Gentlemen, we stray from the main topic to the grandmother's lamentations and lamentations "how bad everything is!"

    Everyone is to blame. Question - what to do? Are there versions of a solution to the problem?

    This problem can only be solved by a focused, state policy. But since the leadership of the state is completely paralyzed, this option disappears. It remains only that the option to decide everything by ourselves, but I'm afraid it will cost a lot and can lead to disastrous consequences.

    Although there is still one option - to raise this topic more often, to complain to various instances, to write complaints, to collect petitions, etc. If this is done nationwide, maybe the government will understand that the people are reaching the boiling point and that something needs to be urgently changed. Perhaps this is all that we are able to do, within the framework of the law.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 12 August 2013 10: 59
      +3
      Quote: Warrawar
      Quote: rodevaan
      Gentlemen, we stray from the main topic to the grandmother's lamentations and lamentations "how bad everything is!"

      Everyone is to blame. Question - what to do? Are there versions of a solution to the problem?

      This problem can only be solved by a focused, state policy. But since the leadership of the state is completely paralyzed, this option disappears. It remains only that the option to decide everything by ourselves, but I'm afraid it will cost a lot and can lead to disastrous consequences.

      Although there is still one option - to raise this topic more often, to complain to various instances, to write complaints, to collect petitions, etc. If this is done nationwide, maybe the government will understand that the people are reaching the boiling point and that something needs to be urgently changed. Perhaps this is all that we are able to do, within the framework of the law.


      - Yeah. The sad truth of life, but apparently the way it is ....
  40. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 12 August 2013 10: 52
    0
    Babi market, not a discussion.
  41. tor9977
    tor9977 12 August 2013 10: 53
    +7
    About a year I read on this site. I never thought of writing Comments. But he could not stand it, this window dressing with raids is simply ridiculous, a citizen of Russia has broken his head at the employee and they are chasing all non-citizens. Yes, I agree everyone who comes to visit you or to work must comply with the law, but this also applies to Russian citizens, the same guests from the mountain republics, so visas and closed borders will not particularly help. Order should not be brought about with screams and hysteria, but systematically for all
  42. Anti
    Anti 12 August 2013 11: 12
    +3
    Anyone who comes to regions with other cultural, historical traditions should respect local customs. To the customs of Russian and all other peoples of Russia. Any other - inappropriate, aggressive, defiant, disrespectful - behavior must meet the appropriate legal, but tough answer, primarily from the authoritiesthat today are often simply inactive.

    ??
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 12 August 2013 13: 00
      +1
      Quote: Anti
      which today are often simply inactive.

      Only today?
      1. Anti
        Anti 13 August 2013 09: 41
        +2
        Quote: Karabin
        Quote: Anti
        which today are often simply inactive.

        Only today?


        No, the last twenty years, this is a quote from the speech of the Supreme, the process has gone !!
  43. shark
    shark 12 August 2013 11: 21
    +6
    Close the borders. Enter visas. Clean out the cities. There is no other way!
  44. Aryan
    Aryan 12 August 2013 11: 21
    +3
    Do not speak badly for Moldova
    as for other nations
    we had a national holiday yesterday
    Builder's Day
    honestly the most difficult day, thousands of times I drank a glass of wine drinks
    for example, in Italy, Romanians pretend to be supposedly from Moldova
    bo language and culture similar
    but only because they pretend that Moldovans are good hard workers
    so do not dirt
    we are all Orthodox
    and help each other
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 12 August 2013 11: 23
      +4
      Quote: Aryan
      Do not speak badly for Moldova
      as for other nations
      we had a national holiday yesterday
      Builder's Day
      honestly the most difficult day, thousands of times I drank a glass of wine
      for example, in Italy, Romanians pretend to be supposedly from Moldova
      bo language and culture similar
      but only because they pretend that Moldovans are good hard workers
      so do not dirt
      we are all Orthodox
      and help each other

      No one spoke about Moldovans, here it is completely about other people. And let Moldovans, on the contrary, come more.
  45. Sapsap
    Sapsap 12 August 2013 11: 25
    +3
    Given the current situation, I believe that it is necessary to reorganize the system of purchasing products from private manufacturers (through a set of special Laws) in the system of so-called consumer cooperation by accepting products to specialists of this organization and its subsequent implementation, already impersonal, through a network of cooperative stores. This form of consumer cooperation has already been and has been operating successfully in the USSR!
    The market as it is now is an anachronism! Brought to us from the East, i.e. in fact, the "oriental bazaar" with all its negative and corrupt manifestations.
    The most radical way to protect against the influx of migrants and their targeted implementation in market relations is the abolition of markets as a form of sale of goods.
    There are no markets like ours in the European Union, the USA and other markets, just as there are no minibuses, bombed, etc. Such "economic" forms are the lot of third and economically underdeveloped countries and, in fact, inhibit and corrupt private business and the economy as a whole.
    1. Manager
      Manager 12 August 2013 11: 35
      +5
      Quote: SAPSAP
      to us from the East, i.e. essentially "oriental bazaar"


      Yes, about the prices in the markets, they generally went nuts! Now I buy everything in "Ashan", "Attack" "Crossroads" Everything is much cheaper there. For comparison, here is an example of prices.
      Market:
      Potato -35 rubles minimum
      Watermelon - 22 rubles
      Tomatoes - 60 rubles.
      Cucumbers - 60 rubles.

      Here are the prices in the Stores.
      Potato - 9-12 rubles.
      Watermelon - 10 rubles
      Tomatoes and cucumbers for 30-50 rubles.

      And add here that you will be 100% weighted in the market. Therefore, I urge everyone to ignore the markets. These blacks are completely overgrown. I was told how prices appear! This is just theft! Only the people themselves can punish the trading ruble. Stop going to the markets. Now a bunch of stores of excellent level with prices lower than in the market. Forget that the market is cheap. This has not happened for a long time.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 12 August 2013 11: 45
        +3
        Quote: Manager
        Now a bunch of stores of excellent level with prices lower than in the market. Forget that the market is cheap. This has not been around for a long time.

        The last time I was on the market was in the late 90s. Moreover, what is on the grocery, what is on the clothing. I don’t understand the point of visiting the markets if everything is more and more expensive there. It seems to me that people of the old school go there, who are accustomed to "the old fashioned way".
        1. Manager
          Manager 12 August 2013 11: 58
          +1
          Quote: Warrawar
          The last time I was on the market was in the late 90s. Moreover, what is on the grocery, what is on the clothing. I don’t understand the point of visiting the markets if everything is more and more expensive there. It seems to me that people of the old school go there, who are accustomed to "the old fashioned way".


          I just have a small covered market near my house (4 minutes walk).
          It is located near the stop, and for many it’s just convenient to buy something after work. And so the sellers have already noticed the outflow of people.
        2. Mhpv
          Mhpv 12 August 2013 12: 11
          +6
          Now you can buy good things at a discount or during sales, but you will also be sent to the gardener if you do not want to take this dzhigit.
          They sell imported fruits and vegetables under the guise of Volgograd, Krasnodar, etc., as you said with a body kit not in your favor.
  46. anfreezer
    anfreezer 12 August 2013 11: 57
    +7
    Once I thought that "aliens" were somewhere in distant space and, in general, this is fantastic ... I was deeply mistaken, they are already here .. they are right there and they are sticking to our "planet" with a phrase from the movie "Ice Age "-It will be the most wonderful migration! I will show you my favorite eateries ...And I won’t say anything about our salvation, everyone has already said everything, the main thing is that they hear it ...
  47. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 12 August 2013 12: 01
    +7
    Worst of all, the purges began only after the opera was broken, and the fact that he was arriving for a raped Russian girl passed by. It turns out until the authorities in the face do not spit ordinary people who are not interested in anyone.
  48. georg737577
    georg737577 12 August 2013 12: 08
    +4
    You can't make scrambled eggs without breaking the eggs ... Measures must be taken - and tough, otherwise indigenous Russians will soon have to be included in the "Red Book". It is possible to stop the "black" expansion, but for this you need to "hit not on the passport, but on the face." Ie to introduce national segregation, and make hachey in Russia what they were niggers in the US in 19 veke.I not tried for murder if the dead - a person of Caucasian nationality. And return the lynching, plus create something like "Kukluklana". When it becomes prestigious to wet khachei and young people instead of computer games start hunting the aforementioned citizens with the full approval of the authorities, order will come.
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 12 August 2013 12: 50
      +4
      Measures must be taken - and tough, otherwise the indigenous Russians will soon have to be included in the Red Book. It is possible to stop the "black" expansion, but for this you need to "hit not on the passport, but on the face." I support the words georg 737577 Clearly stated, and easy !!! good good hi
  49. Bakht
    Bakht 12 August 2013 12: 18
    +5
    I fully support the closure of borders by Russia and the introduction of a visa regime. Separated - we have to work ourselves.

    But the problem is not only in migrants from the near abroad. And what to do with the North Caucasus? The case that "put on Russia's ears" was committed by Russian citizens from Dagestan.

    For example:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIKsxLNN6PU&list=PLEE1AE0AC77EE4455
    1. Nick_1972
      Nick_1972 12 August 2013 12: 55
      +4
      I totally agree. And then it turns out the classic substitution of concepts. Dagestanis broke the cops in the market. But in the end, foreigners urinate in the toilet. Everyone screams cool, atu them. And the fact that initially the problem remained behind the scenes turns out to be ... The Vietnamese are small and relatively harmless.
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 12 August 2013 13: 11
        +2
        In general, judging by the actions, they simply took up crime in the markets, and its income largely depends on the visitors: a. "slaves" from Asia, b. Caucasian groupings that took control of the markets back in the 90s.
      2. builder
        builder 12 August 2013 17: 59
        +7
        Dagestanis are citizens of Russia. He broke the mentals and went to jail. The problem here is not in the Dagestanis, but in the special attitude of our policemen towards them.
    2. Hort
      Hort 12 August 2013 13: 12
      +7
      sooner or later this problem will be solved by itself, if the authorities do not cease in every possible way to protect our "southern fellow citizens". And she will decide cruelly enough. There are already precedents
      1. rodevaan
        rodevaan 13 August 2013 02: 57
        +4
        Quote: hort
        sooner or later this problem will be solved by itself, if the authorities do not cease in every possible way to protect our "southern fellow citizens". And she will decide cruelly enough. There are already precedents


        - And the authorities will not stop protecting our southern fellow citizens until the gatherings of these southern fellow citizens, that is, the diaspora, stop giving the authorities big kickbacks for their unlimited existence and activities in the "Slavic capitals."
        As soon as it becomes problematic to take these bribes (for some hypothetical reasons) immediately and the chukhans will behave relatively quietly. They behave because they allow themselves to behave.
        1. Hort
          Hort 13 August 2013 07: 46
          +3
          I completely agree. Therefore, there are two ways out: either sooner or later it will burn so that the 20s will be remembered or they will begin to really fight corruption. Not only at the highest level, but also in the regions and individual departments
  50. Warrawar
    Warrawar 12 August 2013 12: 31
    +3
    Read it, a good article on this topic
    http://svpressa.ru/society/article/72313/