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Stepan Sulakshin: Does liberal patriotism ever happen?

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Stepan Sulakshin: Does liberal patriotism ever happen?All the time pursuing a sense of duality. That fake "deafening" victory at the Universiade splits consciousness and emotion. For the victory of the country you need to rejoice, but how to rejoice, if you understand what kind of victory it is.


That country's independence day splits: from whom independence, what kind of independence? From its stories and Russian civilization (Russian) identity?

That observation of remarkable young people at Seliger, which to my question “what are the official goals of the development of the country,” answered jointly “in its destruction”. But at the same time, the President of the country, who visited the camp the next day, for some reason did not speak about this. Although, rather, nothing “of the kind” in the media simply did not leak out.

Russia from 1991 year - the year of the collapse of a large historical Russia - the Soviet Union, from 1993 year - the year of the adoption of a liberal cosmopolitan constitution in a state of civilizational, economic, cultural, social disease. Here you and anomie, and anemia, and still not so. Science, high professional potentials, qualification falls, high-tech products and equipment, computers and drones are imported for import with all the necessary bookmarks for their manufacturers. If a serious conflict happened (not with Georgia), but, for example, with NATO, all these bookmarks will work.

Why is the export of raw materials growing, and the increase in imports of engineering products, even defense products? Doesn't the country's leadership talk about this problem? He says - but does nothing on import substitution. On the contrary, they joined the WTO, which is a step in the opposite direction. On the contrary, specialists emigrate, and young people are keen to leave. Why?

So the principle of liberalism prevails - the state aside, the market regulates. So he regulates so that Russia is increasingly losing its high potentials. More precisely, this is the Russian state aside, but, for example, the American state is not on the sidelines. How much over the past 22, it has interfered in the affairs of Russia not to count. Here and loans under political conditions. Here and personnel recommendations. Here and capture information positions. There are laws and even a constitution translated from English. You can directly say that the country was governed from abroad. Before that, she managed that, according to the vice-premier, with a big conflict, the Russian nuclear missile forces would be destroyed by 90% in the first hours of the collision. And this means that the likelihood of disparity and the temptation to use it increases, the threat to the Russian people grows. But ... the market still regulates everything

HSE (Higher School of Economics), Yasin is still “recommended”, the Central Bank is still stifling the financial component of development, oil production and export reached a historical record, machine tools, aircraft, instruments reached a historical minimum, corruption reached a historical maximum. Is there really no turning around? Neither in consciousness, nor in ruling the country?

No, it happens. Over the 22 of the liberal year, people in Russia are increasingly seeing the collapse of the liberal cosmopolitan model. Regarding its anti-Russian nature and nature, relative to its counter-social nature. Regarding the fact that the country is systematically degrading and its national security and national interests are still in the pen. For this reason, the process of restoring natural patriotism is gaining momentum. It is he who will eventually be responsible and dominant in the mechanisms of the country's life. It's unavoidable. Understands this and the country's leadership.

There is clear evidence of this. Appointment instead of Feldmebel business and effective Minister of Defense. Wellness processes begin in the army. One can see the threat of the degradation of the military potential so overwhelming, since they removed such a minister so rooted in the nomenclature of the roof, who, despite a billion of funds, would not be condemned in any way. The commander Swifts for several thousand condemned. A feldmebel for billions in any way. But removed - and this is a positive sign.

If under the presidency of Medvedev, Libya was simply openly and “happy to face”, then in the case of President Putin and Syria, the West simply did not succeed. However, at the same time, they broke the contract for the supply of C-300 complexes to Iran (exactly in Medvedev's style), with Russian sanctions on 4 billion, they removed military personnel from the Russian military base in Syria, and even C-300 for Syria talk is already prohibited. But the manifestation of the position is still noticeable. Step forward.

In fact, at the highest level, the fact of the fifth column in Russia is recognized, foreign agents of influence are finally defined and even the law has appeared, which is still timid, but this is also a step forward. Although about the fifth column, not only in society (NPO), but also in the big media, the government itself is not yet talking. It's time, it's time, but not yet spoken. However, this is a step forward.

It seems to have these steps forward. It seems that the independence and sovereignty of Russia is beginning to be on the agenda of state policy. It seems to be a turnaround. It seems that the President demonstrates an independent Russian policy. It seems to be the elements of patriotism.

But why does the liberal line continue in the economy, finance, social sphere, education, culture, science and media? After all, it is precisely the elimination of the state from these areas that Russia owes to its desovereignization and degradation. Why? Why do the clear signs of the restoration of patriotism (sovereignty) in political behavior continue to coexist with extremist liberalism? This is an obvious contradiction and illogicality? Is not it?

1. Perhaps this is because not all at once, the process is inertial and we need to wait for the offensive and on off-scale liberalism.

2. But such a situation is possible in another case. This case for us is terrible in its consequences.

If I were in the team of those who 22 of the year ruled the country from abroad in order to destroy and degrade it, I would become the biggest patriot, playing to the public to get its support in order to continue in power and destruction of the country cosmopolitan formulas. Type: Vaska listens and eats. This team needs more years of stability on 10-15 in order to completely ruin the country in its potentials. Though you call a pot, just do not plant in the stove. Yes, let them play their patriotism there, only let them continue to destroy education, the economy, finances, tear the population apart by income into classes - perhaps it will come to a revolution, the most devastating for the country is katasivia. Let them fight on the national and ethnic sides of society, let them continue to eat porn and cheap stuff in TV and war toys, let God forbid they do not control the Internet. Let be…

In fact, patriotism, as the potential of the sovereignty of the country, and not only love for the motherland, with liberalism is incompatible. For Russia it is absolutely incompatible. The game of patriotism is an effective public relations trick for reproducing the ruling group in power for an infinitely long time; this can become a real multi-layered technology to continue the destruction of the country. It has become or not - it is difficult to say for sure. Not enough information and not enough time has passed. But the fact that such a probability exists is quite definite.

None of us should play such a game when something clearly suits us from the point of view of the patriotic principle in the decision, rhetoric, and actions of the authorities. We need to ask ourselves three times if this is a game if Ulyukaev is appointed next to Shoigu (former deputy chairman of the Central Bank, appointed minister of economic development from 25.06.13), and the Central Bank’s refinancing rate is kept above the inflation index. What kind of patriotism is this if the frankly failed government is not disbanded and a competent prime minister is not selected. What patriotism is it if the income tax rate is still flat and the economy is still demonetized for trillions of dollars. What kind of patriotism is it if the USE continues to bring down the quality of school education and for several years higher education. What kind of patriotism is it when the incentives for the purchase of foreign aircraft and equipment are still valid, while the domestic civil aviation complex in paralysis. What kind of patriotism is this when the WTO is already causing multimillion-dollar damage to domestic production, giving odds only to those who lobbied for it - 75% of Russia's ferrous metallurgy are foreign owners.

PATRIOTISM - for a person - this is love for the motherland. State patriotism is a systemic matter, primarily the goal-setting of national security and national interests.

State patriotism and games of liberalism and cosmopolitanism are incompatible.

I personally look forward to change. Then I believe in high-ranking patriotism.

Stepan Sulakshin


About the Author:
Sulakshin Stepan Stepanovich, born 1954
Doctor of Physical, Mathematical and Political Sciences, Professor
Director of the Center for Scientific Political Thought and Ideology
http://rusrand.ru/about/nasha-platforma
Originator:
http://sulakshin.ru/byivaet-li-liberalnyiy-patriotizm/#more-1698
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 10 August 2013 07: 29 New
    +3
    Some garbage, that rearmament has gone, new planes are arriving -ur. Raised the standard of living-hurray. Raised the country after Borka drunk, again -ur. Now it turns out another 10-15 years is needed for its final destruction. So are we destroying Russia now or what?
    You need to notice problems, but don’t turn them into insanity. Medvedev, as president, didn’t decide anything, then handed over Libya without deciding anything. Both people write the same thing. When it comes to Georgia 08 08 08 Putin made the decisions and with Libya Medvedev, in how laughing
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 10 August 2013 07: 47 New
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      So are we destroying Russia now or what?

      Sasha hi ! Destroyed the USSR at the time, the author of the article-In January, 1992 resigned as the deputy of the USSR. In October 1993, strongly supported the dispersal of the Congress of People's Deputies and the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation. In particular, he approved the shooting of the Supreme Council building from tanks by troops loyal to the ousted president Boris Yeltsin, for which he received a kick in the ass from the notorious Tomsk opposition leader Sergei Zaikov (in July 2011 was sentenced to 2,5 years in a general regime colony for hitting the governor of the Tomsk Region Viktor Kressu after the meeting of the Tomsk City Council in March 2010 year). There is simply nothing to add ...
      1. Just Vasilich
        10 August 2013 08: 41 New
        +6
        Tersky: for which he received a kick in the ass from the notorious Tomsk oppositionist Sergey Zaykov (In July, 2011 was sentenced to 2,5 years in a general regime colony for a blow to the face to Tomsk Oblast Governor Viktor Kress after a meeting of the Tomsk City Duma in March 2010).

        Using data from Wiki, Victor? I have to correct you: it was not Sulakshin who was convicted, but Sergey Zaikov, do not distort.

        The questions raised by Sulakshin remain:

        1) Why is the export of raw materials growing, and the import of engineering products, even defense products, already growing? Doesn't the country's leadership talk about this problem? He says - but does nothing on import substitution. On the contrary, they entered the WTO, which is a step in the exact opposite direction.

        2) But why is the liberal line going on in the economy, finance, social sphere, education, culture, science and the media? After all, it is precisely to the elimination of the state from these areas that Russia owes its de-sovereignization and degradation. Why?

        3) Isn't this a game if Ulyukaev is appointed next to Shoigu (former Central Bank deputy chairman, appointed Minister of Economic Development with 25.06.13), and the Central Bank’s refinancing rate is kept above the inflation index.

        4) What kind of patriotism is this if the frankly failed government is not disbanded and the competent prime minister is not selected.

        5) What patriotism is this if the income tax rate is still flat and the economy is still demonized for trillions of dollars.

        6) What kind of patriotism is it if the USE continues to bring down the quality of school education and, for several years, higher education.

        7) What patriotism is this when the WTO is already causing multimillion-dollar damage to domestic production, giving odds only to those who lobbied for it - to the foreign owners of 75% of Russia's ferrous metallurgy.

        These questions seem less relevant to me than someone who kicked someone in the ass. Although it's in the wiki style.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 10 August 2013 09: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: Just Vasilich
          I am forced to correct you: it was not Sulakshin who was convicted, but Sergey Zaikov,

          There is no need to rule me, brackets follow the surname Zaikov, -To brackets are words and sentences inserted in the sentence in order to clarify or supplement the idea expressed, as well as for any additional remarks (for a dash with such inserts, see § 174). ... The rules of Russian spelling and punctuation. Learn Russian, it's never too late.
          Quote: Just Vasilich
          Using data from Wiki, Victor?
          And I also use toilet paper, is that also not prestigious?
        2. poquello
          poquello 10 August 2013 13: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: Just Vasilich

          The questions raised by Sulakshin remain:


          You nafigachili- here one topic is not enough for everything.
          Quote: Just Vasilich

          1) Why is the export of raw materials growing, and the import of engineering products already even defensively significant

          What do we do? Handing out Russian files?
          If the bourgeois machines do the necessary operation, but ours aren’t yet, will we stop production and wait?
          Another option to give money to the factories for the creation of their machines - and the factories are ready not to cut some of the money and not steal the equipment? What plants are ready? How to determine?

          Quote: Just Vasilich
          import substitution. On the contrary, they entered the WTO, which is a step in the exact opposite direction.


          The WTO is generally a separate issue, large and complex.
          Quote: Just Vasilich

          2) But why does the liberal line continue in the economy, finance, social sphere, education, culture, science and the media? After all, it is precisely to the elimination of the state from these areas that Russia owes its de-sovereignization and degradation.

          What is this all about?
          Quote: Just Vasilich

          3) Is this a game if Ulyukaev is appointed next to Shoigu?

          Ulyukaev (who is this?) Does not like, but where are the details of what he does poorly. Two stupid phrases are not enough for me.
          Quote: Just Vasilich

          4) What kind of patriotism is this if the frankly failed government is not disbanded and the competent prime minister is not selected.

          What will we choose - by the face, according to the suit or promises?
          Quote: Just Vasilich

          5) What patriotism is this if the income tax rate is still flat and the economy is still demonized for trillions of dollars.

          How simple it is - playing dominoes is more difficult. In addition to income taxes, no. What kind of demonized economy?
          Quote: Just Vasilich

          6) What kind of patriotism is it if the USE continues to bring down the quality of school education and, for several years, higher education.

          Да валит. Где варианты замены кроме пустого "надо вернуть"? Дело то не в ЕГЭ, систему образования сменили на явно нам не подходящую, но я не вижу предложенных пошаговых вариантов ухода от этой гадости.

          And it is necessary to somehow decide on the concepts that there is patriotism, that liberalism, etc.
          For example, here we are discussing criticism - is it patriotism or liberalism?
    2. Constantine
      Constantine 10 August 2013 09: 17 New
      +4
      Here it is, the very first bell about what will be in the article.

      That fake "deafening" victory at the Universiade


      An attempt to lick the liberal media in their attempts to belittle the achievements of our guys and denigrate Russia in front of other participants. Yes, and instill an inferiority complex with your own.

      In general, I fully agree with your comment. The author of the article is another type who lives in his own, separate Russia, together with his colleagues. smile
    3. 6216390
      6216390 10 August 2013 09: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Some garbage,

      I have the same opinion.
    4. yurii p
      yurii p 10 August 2013 10: 03 New
      0
      I can assume that Putin made decisions in Georgia, judging by the decisiveness and actions of the army, since later on Medvedev did not have well-recommended political actions, as the president he is weak, if not tougher, one appointment by Serdyukov says a lot and such appointments are not ones .
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 10 August 2013 12: 09 New
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        Quote: yurii p
        one appointment of Serdyukov speaks volumes and such appointments are not one.

        He says a lot, only Vova appointed him - and there are not a few such appointments.
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 10 August 2013 14: 03 New
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        Quote: yurii p
        I can assume that Putin made decisions in Georgia,

        And what is there to expect then? How long does the leadership of the country have at the time of the conflict? 3 months. What does he know and what can during this period? And secondly, DAM and GDP is a team that works harmoniously complementing each other. I won’t be tempting, I’ll say so. Thinking DAM, I mean GDP, and vice versa. laughing
    5. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 10 August 2013 11: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      So are we destroying Russia now or what?

      Of course we destroy! Heavy industry has already been destroyed, it’s easier to say that our country is flourishing - the mining industry - Rosneft, Gazprom, etc. + factories producing pipes for oil and gas pipelines.
      In principle, we have almost finished the corpse of the USSR and will soon begin to digest ourselves. For example, in my house, communal communications have not been invested for a very long time, but they are building new shopping centers and connecting them to the ancient Soviet communications. The forecast is predictable ...
  2. sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 10 August 2013 08: 37 New
    +3
    Sulakshin Stepan Stepanovich, born 1954
    Doctor of Physical, Mathematical and Political Sciences, Professor
    Director of the Center for Scientific Political Thought and Ideology. Since 2006 - Advisor to the President of Russian Railways


    Всю жизнь проработал на железной дороге. К нынешнему развалу РЖД пришло из-за Путина, или вот из - за таких "советников"? Статье минус. Если уж ты физик и математик, то не лезь не в свой огород.
  3. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 10 August 2013 08: 40 New
    +2
    Автор в своих мыслях заблудился . Каша какая то, а не статья."Тут помню, а тут не помню"(с).
    Doctor of Physical, Mathematical and Political Sciences, Professor
    Director of the Center for Scientific Political Thought and Ideology

    Patriotism and people are not considered mathematical formulas. Neither
  4. Unknown
    Unknown 10 August 2013 08: 57 New
    -3
    When, again, on the territory of the Russian Federation, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus there will be a single state with an autocratic monarchy ?? !!! request
  5. Kite
    Kite 10 August 2013 09: 19 New
    0
    Прочитал, хоть и трудно было в этой "каше" найти "мясо".
    Import defense products? You need to know new items, advantages and weaknesses. Maybe the author will tell about mass purchases of tanks, planes, missiles, ships from China or India? Then what if he doesn’t mean it?
    Экспорт сырья? Опять про нефть и газ? Помните ли, что этими "товарами" торгуют ещё многие и спрос while good? What is quoted on the stock exchange with a rise, it makes sense to export it to the market. And you can still organize the climb!
    СМИ не патриотично работают? Так гнид везде найти можно, а найдя постараться "раздавить". Писать на политические темы проще чем на научные, знаний не требуется, достаточно борзости. Вот автор, вроде, хочет либерализм покритиковать, а сам поверхностно проблемы описал. Поругай его за это, так начнёт писать об ущемлении свобод.
    Summary: the article - fu ... ya porridge!
  6. Grenz
    Grenz 10 August 2013 09: 32 New
    0
    Dear forum users.
    I wanted to start with words - I don’t understand you, but then suggested a reaction - you don’t understand, look for a place in Murzilka!
    But still I will express myself.
    Не пойму - Вы осуждаете автора "Он физик не лирик" куда к нам. А мы здесь кто собрались? Все сплошь международники и спецы в области внутренней экономике. Он хоть кому-то в морду дал - а, это уже позиция.
    Farther. Just Vasilich listed the questions to which, sorry, there is still no clear answer. Although they are said to be assists. Procrastination, even in some of them, really causes reasonable alarm.
    Высказана позиция. В любом мнении можно найти разумное. Вот к примеру. Уверен, что многое оборудование, закупаемое за рубежом, во время "Ч" может отказать. Есть уже и доказательства по закладкам. А взгляды на будущее - ну это даже Настрадамусу сейчас не под силу. Только осторожный оптимизм.
    All this is said to the fact that we are all souls for the country, but each in its own way. And there is no need to redo others - you need to improve yourself, others will draw conclusions themselves.
    1. Kite
      Kite 10 August 2013 10: 13 New
      -2
      Да не вопросы он перечислил, а побрюзжал, перечислив всё что помнит после прослушивания "уха Москвы".
      Вот Вы строите догадки: "Уверен, что многое оборудование, закупаемое за рубежом, во время "Ч" может отказать. Есть уже и доказательства по закладкам." - где, в ракете, в торпеде, в снаряде, в самолёте, в системе связи чужие "закладки"??!! Зачем чушь тиражируете?
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 10 August 2013 10: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: grenz
      Just Vasilich listed the questions to which, sorry, there is still no clear answer.

      It’s just that Vasilich listed the questions that arose as a result of the vigorous activity in the dashing 90 of Sulakshin and & K. And now the very Sulashkin puzzles everyone and why there are so many unresolved issues. Does he not remind anyone of himself? -
  7. user
    user 10 August 2013 10: 23 New
    +1
    You know, the joke of perestroika comes right away:
    Chains weakened, bowls pushed back, but bark as much as you want
  8. 128mgb
    128mgb 10 August 2013 10: 35 New
    +2
    What can I say? Solid liberal liberal article, the grant is being worked out. The main idea of ​​the article is that everything seems to be good, but how bad it is. And it will be even worse if ... Article minus.
  9. alone
    alone 10 August 2013 11: 47 New
    0
    I didn’t have to lift them onto tanks. I had to drop them from the air))) without a parachute
  10. poquello
    poquello 10 August 2013 12: 08 New
    +1
    "Я лично жду перемен. Тогда поверю в высокопоставленный патриотизм.

    Степан Сулакшин"

    No, I, too, am waiting for more changes that are already underway, and we also expected changes in perestroika.
    Why am I doing this? Of the problems piled up in one basket, it is not known what will happen. There are undeniable problems mentioned by him, but IMHO there is complete crap. With a simple approach to complex problems, the result is unpredictable and fraught with unforeseen effects.
  11. knn54
    knn54 10 August 2013 14: 01 New
    0
    IN NATURE, NO PATRIOT LIBERALS ARE EXISTING. But there is the so-called "cheers-patriots." And if liberals are a clear enemy, then “cheers-patriots” are a hidden enemy. For them, the main thing is to “appoint a guilty party”, and emotions replace the mind.
    By teaching the “foundations of patriotism” in schools, things cannot be improved. It is necessary to restore order in ALL power structures, change them, look for performers. "Cadres decide everything!" And official pseudo-patriotism, to which outright villains attach themselves, can only ruin the country.
    Regarding the article, Vasisualia Lokhankina recalled ...
  12. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 10 August 2013 14: 51 New
    0
    Sorry for the analogy, but the article is snot wound from a fist and thinly randomly smeared on paper !!!
    I think just people like Doctor of Physical, Mathematical and Political Sciences, Professor
    Director of the Center for Scientific Political Thought and Ideology
    should take part in solving these problems, and not whine on the entire Internet, well, it’s somehow not masculine.
    1. Just Vasilich
      10 August 2013 17: 29 New
      +1
      I think just such people as ... should take part in solving these problems

      And he accepts. If you go to the address of the Center given at the end of the article, you can find answers to many of the criticisms made here.

      В частности, можно узнать, что Степан Сулакшин являлся, до недавнего времени, советником председателя Совета Федерации РФ, но был уволен, поскольку давал "неудобные" для власти советы. Можно также узнать, что он, совместно с единомышленниками, является разработчиком научно обоснованного проекта новой конституции России. Можно даже ознакомиться с этим проектом. Правда предупреждаю, что там много, как здесь некоторые говорят "букав, цифров и графикаф и другой зауми".

      The trouble with many site commentators is that they superficially judge people and / or events, without giving themselves the trouble to look deeper than Wikipedia.
      1. poquello
        poquello 10 August 2013 22: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Just Vasilich

        The trouble with many site commentators is that they superficially judge people and / or events, without giving themselves the trouble to look deeper than Wikipedia.


        E-comrade, truth in disputes is born, and not in depth by reference, and so far from the foregoing even Gulkina’s pipiska will not be dialed to go where to look.
        1. Just Vasilich
          11 August 2013 08: 52 New
          0
          Poquello: so far from all the above, even Gulkina’s pipiska isn’t enough to go where to look.

          Okay, comrade Pocquello, I'll do it for you:

          "Гендиректор Центра проблемного анализа и государственно-управленческого проектирования, автор доклада о фальсификациях на думских выборах Степан Сулакшин покинул свой пост. Попечительский совет центра во главе с его научным руководителем, президентом ОАО РЖД Владимиром Якуниным удовлетворил его просьбу об отставке... Напомним, из доклада, который был подготовлен под руководством Сулакшина, следовало, что думские выборы выиграла КПРФ с 30%, а "Единая Россия" набрала 22%. Причем выполненная им еще в 2012 году работа была обнародована лишь 12 марта." Ссылка: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2165786

          You can find out who Yakunin is, and how much he is your friend, if not scrap, of course. Or immediately argue with Gulkina ...
          1. poquello
            poquello 11 August 2013 13: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: Just Vasilich
            Poquello: so far from all the above, even Gulkina’s pipiska isn’t enough to go where to look.


            "Гендиректор Центра проблемного анализа и государственно-управленческого проектирования, автор доклада о фальсификациях на думских выборах Степан Сулакшин покинул свой пост.....

            под руководством Сулакшина, следовало, что думские выборы выиграла КПРФ с 30%, а "Единая Россия" набрала 22%...." Ссылка: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2165786

            Voooot. Ten lines are clearer than two pages of water and it’s interesting to follow the link, I will look at least if there is time.
            1. poquello
              poquello 12 August 2013 03: 39 New
              +1
              I was on this link, I thought there was a report, and there again, what the hell is here, it’s not good.

              "под руководством Сулакшина, следовало, что думские выборы выиграла КПРФ с 30%, а "Единая Россия" набрала 22%...." Ссылка: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2165786""
  13. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 10 August 2013 16: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Sirocco
    And secondly, DAM and GDP is a team that works harmoniously complementing each other.

    The population of Russia is tired of waiting for the fulfillment of promises from Putin and Medvedev. I would like to believe that the country's leadership thinks a lot, does everything even more to strengthen the country, to bring it to the proper level.
    YES, AND AGREE, in the sense of coherence on promises. IN THIS THEY BOTH EXCELLENT ...
  14. krpmlws
    krpmlws 10 August 2013 22: 38 New
    -1
    Reading the comments of Romanov, Tersky and to more and more wonder what kind of people they are, how and why such a mess in their heads? Who made efforts to overthrow Nicholas 2, who criminally allowed this to happen? Who destroyed the Russian empire, then the USSR and now destroys the Russian Federation? Two conditions must converge here: the inability of the Russian people to organize themselves, to realize and defend their true national interests due to the lack of pronounced individualism; and the presence in the elite of the 5th column undermining the foundations of the state. 5th column (this is essentially our entire elite) consists of traitors who get their pieces of silver, and confused, who in their youth should do more logic and think about who they are and where they came from. Where were they all in 91, when they destroyed the USSR? Obviously, they sang hosanna Yeltsin, before that Gorbachev, and now Putin amicably. They rejoiced when they vilified the CPSU and when the USSR collapsed. They bought Pepsi and gum exchanged it for their homeland. And now, with arrogance, they are broadcasting something there, trying to find some excuses for their baseness. They criticize and minus those who have kept a clear vision of the situation, because in the light of this understanding, the selfish nature of their actions and errors is revealed. unfortunately the majority, therefore, people show a craving for a personality like Stalin, who could make the elite work for the good of the state. If the Western European elite in their national-state sense is sufficiently mature and liberal, democracy does not contradict (with some exceptions) with national interests, then Russia needs an authoritarian, conservative system and many years of cultivation of national identity.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 11 August 2013 09: 26 New
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      I read your post three times and didn’t understand anything. Am I really so stupid? And here Tersky, Romanov and, as you put it, Co. Why is your post no different from the article. Exactly the same vagueness of expressing thoughts with a bunch of rhetorical questions. More precisely, please. And then we, a sick man, with a mess in my head, cannot understand such complex thoughts
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 11 August 2013 10: 34 New
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        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        And then we, a sick man, with a mess in my head, cannot understand such complex thoughts

        Женя привет! Так что ж здесь непонятного, очередной бред и навешивание ярлыков от белоленточника. Этакий Моисей , от холуев ЕБН с подачи которого при непосредственной поддержки визиви нашего "оппонета", Степана Сулакшина, рухнул СССР.
  15. krpmlws
    krpmlws 11 August 2013 14: 14 New
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    Apparently you really don’t understand, as well as many others, therefore, people like you need to be forced and directed to act in the direction necessary for the country. The post is written quite clearly and logically, who can understand it. Tersky, you are talking nonsense, you are also hanging labels, you have no constructive thoughts and apparently will not.
    Quote: lewerlin53rus
    I read your post three times and didn’t understand anything. Am I really so stupid? And here Tersky, Romanov and, as you put it, Co. Why is your post no different from the article. Exactly the same vagueness of expressing thoughts with a bunch of rhetorical questions. More precisely, please. And then we, a sick man, with a mess in my head, cannot understand such complex thoughts