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Indian Navy announces tender for supply of MRMR 9 naval reconnaissance aircraft

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Indian Navy announces tender for supply of MRMR 9 naval reconnaissance aircraft

The Indian Navy has issued a request for proposals for the supply of medium-range MRMR (Medium Range Maritime Reconnaissance) medium-range naval reconnaissance aircraft, estimated at 9 billion dollars.


According to Janes Defense Weekly, the Defense Procurement Board approved a program for acquiring maritime patrol aircraft in February 2012. The new aircraft will replace the 13 in service with the BN-2 Icelander of Britten Normann.

Earlier, in February 2011, the Indian Navy issued a request for information on the delivery of medium-range naval reconnaissance aircraft.

The request provided for the delivery of an aircraft capable of carrying out patrols at sea, fighting enemy ships, electronic intelligence, search and rescue operations. It must be equipped with two engines and perform tasks in adverse weather conditions with a full combat load (minimum 2 RCC) during 4 hours. The flight radius must be at least 400 nautical miles.

Airbus Military (Airbus Military) with the C-295 Marine Patrol Version, Alenia Aermakki Marine Patrol Version with the ATR-72MP, Boeing (Boeing) concept with a marine patrol plane concept (MPA) based on P-8 Poseidon, Bombardier with Q400 with Israeli equipment Elta (Elta), Embraer with EMB-145, Lockheed Martin with SC-130J "Sea Hercules", "Dassault" (Dassault) with "Falcon-900MPA" and Swedish "Saab" (Saab), which offers Saab-2000 MPA.

The MRMR should be one of the elements of the maritime aerial surveillance network. The decision to create it was made after the terrorist attack on Mumbai in November 2008. The network will cover 5422 km of the coastline of India, 1197 islands and 2,01 million square meters. km of the exclusive maritime economic zone.
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  1. Constantine
    Constantine 9 August 2013 16: 16
    +3
    Such cars would not hurt us. Tu-214, for example. smile It’s logical that I didn’t see ours there. Such a cow, we need it now, first of all. smile
    1. alone
      alone 9 August 2013 16: 19
      11
      I wonder what prevents Russia from having such aircraft?
      1. il grand casino
        il grand casino 9 August 2013 16: 23
        +2
        So I think about it ....
      2. Constantine
        Constantine 9 August 2013 16: 27
        +7
        Quote: lonely
        I wonder what prevents Russia from having such aircraft?


        On the basis of 204, while one is being tested (in the photo below Tu-214R), and the second, as far as I know, in the project (Tu-204P)

        Everything has its time, but I would like, of course, quickly smile
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 9 August 2013 16: 48
          +2
          Aircraft of complex electronic and optical reconnaissance. Developed by JSC "Tupolev" on the basis of the Tu-214 civil aircraft. Produced by JSC "KAPO im.Gorbunov" (Kazan). The contract for the manufacture of a mockup and two Tu-214R aircraft as part of the "Fraction-4" design and development project was signed with the Russian Ministry of Defense on November 29, 2002. According to the contract, the aircraft, after testing and modifications, were to be transferred to the Russian Air Force by November 15, 2008 As of December 2006, the first copy was being completed at KAPO, and the second copy was being completed so far as a repeater aircraft there. The delivery of the aircraft to the customer was planned for 2007.

          The first flight of the RA-64511 lead aircraft took place on December 24, 2009. The crew performed the first flight consisting of: ship commander A.I. Zhuravlev, co-pilot - S.Yu.Sheffer, flight engineer - E.B. Volkov, navigator - E.A. .Kudryavtsev, flight attendant - I.A. Nikulin, engineer - V.N. Filimoshkin. In 2010, in the final assembly shop of KAPO, the second instance was already being completed as a Tu-214R for the Russian Ministry of Defense. As of April 2012, the second instance is still in the same place without a side-view radar. According to the annual report of KAPO for 2011, the delivery of the Air Force planes is planned for 2013 and 2014. accordingly (at the end of 2009 it was planned to transfer aircraft to the customer in 2011).
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 9 August 2013 16: 49
            +1
            Integrated reconnaissance aircraft Tu-214R
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 9 August 2013 16: 50
              +3
              Tu-214P RA-64511, Kazan, May 2012
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 9 August 2013 16: 51
                +2
                The second copy of the Tu-214R RA-64514 without a side-view radar in the assembly shop of KAPO named after Gorbunov, Kazan, January 2012
        2. alone
          alone 9 August 2013 23: 03
          +1
          dear Konstantin. Well, agree that 2 aircraft (one at the test, the other at the design stage) actually means that they are not. This is a huge minus
      3. Col.
        Col. 9 August 2013 16: 31
        0
        Quote: lonely
        I wonder what prevents Russia from having such aircraft?

        Existing power is in the way. In the USSR, the Navy aviation, if memory serves, had two battles (anti-submarine air divisions) on Tu-142, 6 or 7 planes on the Il-38, two (or more?) Regiments on the Be-12, and several (separate squadrons) on IL-38 and Be-12. Only about 300 anti-submarine aircraft, not counting helicopters. Now there are several Tu-142 and about 12 Il-38. And that’s it! And no prospects. And this despite the fact that the length of the sea borders has not decreased, and the activity of neighbors in the development of the shelf and catch of fish is constantly increasing. Yes, and the ships of the adversary’s Navy regularly come ostensibly on visits, but in fact, in order to develop the water area and study the navigational and hydrographic features of navigation in our nearby sea zones ...
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 9 August 2013 16: 38
          +2
          Quote: Colonel
          And no prospects.


          One can argue with that. Given the growth rate and the general trend, I would not be so sure if you were in my place. Moreover, none of the mere mortals saw a detailed rearmament plan, and therefore, such statements are more subjective than objective.
          1. Col.
            Col. 12 August 2013 10: 34
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            Quote: Constantine
            One can argue with that. Given the growth rate and the general trend, I would not be so sure if you were in my place. Moreover, none of the mere mortals saw a detailed rearmament plan, and therefore, such statements are more subjective than objective.

            You can, of course, argue if you do not know the subject of the dispute. And I know, because I served in the "upper" headquarters just at the time when GPV-2020 was "laid out" (State armaments program, not the "rearmament plan", as you wrote). Partly familiar with her in relation to the Navy. Therefore, my "statements" are much more objective than they might seem ignorant in this matter. For example, as far as the Tu-214 and Tu-204 aircraft are concerned, in the early 90s they were "rejected" by the Ministry of Defense Commission (consisting mainly of specialists from the Navy and Navy aviation) as not meeting the requirements for advanced aviation reconnaissance systems. Those. these planes were not good even then, 20 years ago! And now we are assured that this is what we need. Question: who needs it? It is clear to whom - to producers in order to sell, and to officials in order to "promote" and put a tick. Like this!
        2. KazaK Bo
          KazaK Bo 9 August 2013 18: 29
          +1
          Quote: Colonel
          Existing power interferes

          Rather not the "existing power" ... but the existing power of the great and terrible destroyer of RUSSIA - "Tsar Everbopyan" ... and now it is impossible to catch up in an instant ... after all, returning to the previous level is just a criminal waste of forces and resources .. . and to reach the existing and promising level - it takes time ...
          I am sure that work in this direction is underway ... it’s not yet time to bring everything to the masses ... especially in the field of radio intelligence and electronic warfare.
        3. alone
          alone 9 August 2013 23: 05
          0
          Colonel and it’s worth noting that the aircraft have been operating for an average of 30 years. This attitude is incomprehensible to the mind
      4. a
        a 10 August 2013 00: 30
        -1
        and where to use such aircraft in Russia? limited water areas - a bit of the Barents Sea, a bit of Japan, Okhotsk. that’s probably all. in addition, in my opinion, we already have such IL-38s. unless they can carry RCC
    2. a
      a 10 August 2013 00: 28
      0
      Tu-204, it seems to me, are not suitable for this
    3. Siberian German
      Siberian German 10 August 2013 06: 07
      0
      and you didn’t think that by selling our equipment to the Indians we contribute to our development
  2. arutun
    arutun 9 August 2013 16: 25
    +3
    Interestingly, our Be-200 can be converted to a reconnaissance and strike aircraft of the coastal zone?
  3. Alexey M
    Alexey M 9 August 2013 16: 30
    +5
    Quote: arutun
    Interestingly, our Be-200 can be converted to a reconnaissance and strike aircraft of the coastal zone?

    If you want, you can do anything. Moreover, there is no better airplane for patrolling the water area.
    1. Constantine
      Constantine 9 August 2013 16: 36
      +1
      Quote: Alexey M
      If you want, you can do anything. Moreover, there is no better airplane for patrolling the water area.


      It depends on where. In the seas - yes, but on the ocean, in my opinion, something like the Tu-214P is better. In general, the ekranoplanes are best of all, of course, but they will have to wait an order of magnitude longer. smile
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 9 August 2013 16: 48
        +2
        Let me disagree with you, for patrolling the coastal zone and conducting search and rescue operations, the possibility of take-off / landing from the water surface will not be superfluous at all. And for this BE-200 is still better, in my opinion.
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 9 August 2013 16: 57
          +2
          Quote: Andrey KZ
          Let me disagree with you, for patrolling the coastal zone and conducting search and rescue operations, the possibility of take-off / landing from the water surface will not be superfluous at all. And for this BE-200 is still better, in my opinion.


          Versatility is not always good. An aircraft of this class should be able to not only detect, but also respond in certain cases. For search and rescue operations, there are coast guards and the Ministry of Emergencies. hi
          1. Andrey KZ
            Andrey KZ 9 August 2013 17: 07
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            It is possible that you are right. Regarding universality, I proceeded from this

            The request provided for the supply of an aircraft capable of performing patrol tasks at sea, fighting enemy ships, electronic intelligence, and search and rescue operations. It must be equipped with two engines and perform tasks in difficult weather conditions.
            1. Constantine
              Constantine 9 August 2013 17: 37
              +2
              Quote: Andrey KZ
              It is possible that you are right. Regarding universality, I proceeded from this

              The request provided for the supply of an aircraft capable of performing patrol tasks at sea, fighting enemy ships, electronic intelligence, and search and rescue operations. It must be equipped with two engines and perform tasks in difficult weather conditions.


              Search and rescue operations most likely mean the detection and illumination of the "target" before the arrival of the ships / aircraft corresponding to the situation.
              1. K-36
                K-36 9 August 2013 21: 23
                +4
                Quote: Constantine
                Search and rescue operations most likely mean the detection and illumination of the "target" before the arrival of the ships / aircraft corresponding to the situation.

                I would delicately recommend asking the surviving submariners of the Komsomolets nuclear submarine (http://www.agesmystery.ru/node/1817), do they need "illumination and target designation" aircraft in the April Barents Sea?!? Well, these "airplanes" flew to them, well, they dropped the floating craft on parachutes. And who will sail to them in the APRIL (!!!) Barents Sea? Let me remind you that three submariners died of hypothermia on board the ship that picked them up. Let me also remind you that the boat sank only 180 km from Bear Island. The Be-200 could have saved EVERYONE !!!. But for this it was necessary that he was in service with the MSS of the Northern Fleet. Only here for Gorbachev, as the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, all this was according to X ... For much more global quirks were roaming in his brain: Perestroika, Freedom, Cooperation and other "liberals". Such an aircraft as the Be-200 is now desperately needed in the Fleet's MSS. Only WHAT for Gorbachev the death of 42 submariners of the most modern nuclear submarine of the Soviet Union at that time ??? So, annoying booger in the nose. And what about the entire crew of the Kursk nuclear submarine for Putin ??? "... She drowned ...". Therefore, the Fleets do not have a Be-200 in the Poiskovo_Rescue variant. And if a similar accident now happens (bring this cup past us, Lord, you will only survive by a MIRACLE, and not with the help of special technical means made for salvation. Something like this. Sincerely.
                1. Constantine
                  Constantine 9 August 2013 21: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: K-36
                  I would delicately recommend asking the surviving submariners of the Komsomolets nuclear submarine (http://www.agesmystery.ru/node/1817), do they need "illumination and target designation" aircraft in the April Barents Sea?!? Well, these "airplanes" flew to them, well, they dropped the floating craft on parachutes. And who will sail to them in the APRIL (!!!) Barents Sea? Let me remind you that three submariners died of hypothermia on board the ship that picked them up. Let me also remind you that the boat sank only 180 km from Bear Island. The Be-200 could have saved EVERYONE !!!. But for this it was necessary that he was in service with the MSS of the Northern Fleet. Only here for Gorbachev, as the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, all this was according to X ... For much more global quirks were roaming in his brain: Perestroika, Freedom, Cooperation and other "liberals". Such an aircraft as the Be-200 is now desperately needed in the Fleet's MSS. Only WHAT for Gorbachev the death of 42 submariners of the most modern nuclear submarine of the Soviet Union at that time ??? So, annoying booger in the nose. And what about the entire crew of the Kursk nuclear submarine for Putin ??? "... She drowned ...". Therefore, the Fleets do not have a Be-200 in the Poiskovo_Rescue variant. And if a similar accident now happens (bring this cup past us, Lord, you will only survive by a MIRACLE, and not with the help of special technical means made for salvation. Something like this. Sincerely.


                  Nothing prevents the Ministry of Emergency Situations to launch rescue Be-200s in the north. The planes discussed in the article have a completely different purpose. No need to substitute concepts.
      2. My doctor
        My doctor 9 August 2013 17: 02
        -3
        SCREENS ??? the conversation is over.
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 9 August 2013 17: 36
          +5
          Quote: MyVrach
          SCREENS ??? the conversation is over.


          Did we start it with you? request hi
        2. K-36
          K-36 9 August 2013 21: 51
          +1
          Quote: MyVrach
          SCREENS ??? the conversation is over.

          Excuse me delicately, why is the version of an ekranoplan with an Iskander on board, or a Club, or an Onyx anti-ship missile abhorrent to you? Or do you completely reject the ekranoplan as a combat platform? Sincerely.
          1. Constantine
            Constantine 9 August 2013 21: 56
            0
            Quote: K-36
            Excuse me delicately, why is the version of an ekranoplan with an Iskander on board, or a Club, or an Onyx anti-ship missile abhorrent to you? Or do you completely reject the ekranoplan as a combat platform? Sincerely.


            The person’s nickname, as well as his previous comments, speak for themselves wink
  4. svp67
    svp67 9 August 2013 16: 37
    0
    The bidders for the supply are:
    - Airbus Military Airbus Military with C-295 Marine Patrol Version

    - "Alenia Aermakki" (Alenia Aermakki) with the option ATR-72MP

    - “Boeing” with the concept of a marine patrol aircraft (MPA) based on the P-8 project “Poseidon”

    - "Bombardier" (Bombardier) with Q400 with a set of Israeli equipment "Elta" (Elta)

    - "Embraer" (Embraer) with EMB-145,

    - “Lockheed Martin” with, SC-130J Sea Hercules

    - “Dassault” (Dassault) with “Falcon-900MPA”

    - Swedish “Saab” (Saab), which offers the Saab-2000 MPA.

  5. svp67
    svp67 9 August 2013 16: 57
    +2
    Honestly, I don’t understand why our designers do not develop a similar machine based on:
    - Be200
    I think such an aircraft would be very useful with us and would have good prospects in the global market ...
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 9 August 2013 17: 04
      +4
      We had such developments, even deck-based.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 9 August 2013 17: 07
        +3
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        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 9 August 2013 17: 08
          +1
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          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 9 August 2013 17: 16
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      2. svp67
        svp67 9 August 2013 17: 41
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        We had such developments, even deck-based.
        Why were they and are there now ...
        Tu142

        Il20

        Il38

        and PAIR Tu214P (well, almost)
      3. Russ69
        Russ69 10 August 2013 00: 24
        0
        Quote: Alex 241
        We had such developments, even deck-based.

        For Kuzi, now at least a couple would not hurt.
    2. 6216390
      6216390 9 August 2013 17: 06
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Honestly, I don’t understand why our designers do not develop a similar machine based on: - Be200

      And they do not understand, nothing depends on their understanding.
    3. sergey72
      sergey72 9 August 2013 17: 48
      +3
      Why not the "original Be-200" - A-40 Albatross?
      1. albatross
        albatross 10 August 2013 01: 00
        0
        Avatar Major
        sergey72 RU Yesterday, 17:48 ↑
        Why not the "original Be-200" - A-40 Albatross?

        Apparently, for the same reason that the company Tupolev merged. Whatever they fly, competition is all the same. It is a pity, of course, that Russia is not participating in the tender.
        And Rogozin is silent, does not comment.
  6. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 9 August 2013 17: 20
    +1
    Something tells me that the winner will be the C-295N. It’s a very good budget employee, but with the Airbus Military management system ...
    Not, with all due respect, after the unambiguous choice of "Poseidons", we will not shine in this market segment.
    Diversification - EPA!
  7. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 9 August 2013 18: 00
    +2
    Oh, "minus" - hello little!
    Whose fate will you be?
    From urya - they don’t know that choosing a model for adoption is not their oura-dog thing. Technical specialists are engaged in this, who give an answer to the customer, according to his requirements, according to the proposals participating in the tender of companies, in the form of three options: yes, no, possibly during revision.
    And ours all uses a sleeve from a three-inch one fellow - and he won.
    1. albatross
      albatross 10 August 2013 00: 55
      0
      Kavtorang RU Yesterday, 18:00 New
      Oh, "minus" - hello little!
      Whose fate will you be?

      This Rogozin set minus. He's watching the same here.
  8. urich
    urich 9 August 2013 20: 20
    +2
    silt 38 25 tons of fuel tactical radius, 2200 km (time spent in the area at altitudes from 500 to 2000 m with a load of 5850 kg of at least 3 h)
    An Airbus Military with a C-295 marine patrol version having 45 tons of fuel on board will be able to provide patrols for 3 hours at a distance of about 930 km from the airfield
    Despite the fact that the silt 38 was not a masterpiece, had a bunch of flaws, the flight characteristics of the aircraft made in the 1967 in the USSR were comparable to a completely new European aircraft. But TU 214 is obviously inferior to new examples of adversary technology.
    200 doesn’t fit here not because it’s bad, but because it can’t hang in the patrol area for a long time (even for two hours it doesn’t sag and will not pull along the patrol range)
    That is why it is impossible to reanimate the 44 yak using all the latest developments, because according to the calculations, he could patrol up to 6,5 hours !?
    1. Windbreak
      Windbreak 9 August 2013 22: 39
      +2
      Quote: urich
      with the marine patrol version of the C-295 having on board 45 tons of fuel
      It’s just that the aircraft itself has a maximum take-off weight of 23 tons. We wouldn’t disgrace but find the characteristics http://www.c295.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011-06-28-DP-295-MP-DATA-POSTER -GEN-EN.pd
      f
      1. urich
        urich 10 August 2013 10: 27
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        My apologies for the inaccuracy. C295 has 7650 tons of fuel, but you see, it would be ridiculous if a modern aircraft of one of the best aircraft manufacturers were eating fuel along with a half-century range model.
  9. Siberian
    Siberian 10 August 2013 00: 36
    0
    Actually, we have planes that perform all reconnaissance functions, both marine and land. And ground airports are enough for landing.
  10. KBPC50
    KBPC50 10 August 2013 01: 58
    +1
    The Yankees will throw such high-tech crap to them ... And India will be enslaved by the Yankees. Whoever likes it, the Russians, the country, are kinder and wiser, and the Yankees will deceive, they have it in BLOOD.
  11. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 10 August 2013 03: 48
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    Not a weak transition from the "Islanders". Well this is almost a museum rarity. In general, it is strange that they could use these "maize" for so long as patrolmen. It turns out that the crews will also have to be prepared from scratch, regardless of who wins the tender.
  12. Siberian
    Siberian 10 August 2013 06: 04
    0
    Quote: KBPC50
    The Yankees will throw such high-tech crap to them ... And India will be enslaved by the Yankees. Whoever likes it, the Russians, the country, are kinder and wiser, and the Yankees will deceive, they have it in BLOOD.

    What, what about the shit to throw, it's in their blood. If they don’t throw this shit to someone or do something nasty, half of the country will not be able to sleep peacefully.