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Technical achievements of Soviet power

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Technical achievements of Soviet power
Democratic Russian media around the clock insist that the Russian people are backward, second-rate, inferior, incapable of anything serious in science and technology, and the task of Russia now is only to wade in the wake of world civilization and try not to far behind the developed capitalist countries.


And our young people believe them because they have no idea about the life of an ordinary person in the Soviet Union, about the technical, scientific and social achievements of the Soviet government and Soviet society. They really believe that the Soviet medium tank T-34 is a converted American tank, we borrowed a Kalashnikov machine gun from the Germans, and we stole an atomic bomb from the Americans, and space rockets from us are copied German designs of their latest V-3 and The FAU-4 captured by us in one of their missile centers in the Baltic.

I constantly have to communicate with modern Russian youth. And I am amazed at her absolute "ignorance" stories his country of the twentieth century. Therefore, I gave them a lecture about the Soviet contribution to world civilization.

The students were in real shock. They did not know that Soviet civilization had such tremendous achievements in the technical and social development of the world. Although I told them only what has been preserved in my memory since Soviet times, when I worked for over fifteen years as a freelance expert at the All-Union Scientific Research Institute of the State Patent Examination or VNIIPGE, and did an examination of applications for inventions. And for this I had to be sure to keep abreast of the latest technical developments in the world. I present an excerpt from this lecture to your judgment.

TECHNICAL ACHIEVEMENTS OF THE SOVIET NATION OF WORLD VALUE

1.Tank T-34. This tank is recognized as the best medium by the entire world community. a tank Second World War. And nobody succeeds in silencing this outstanding achievement of the Soviet military-industrial complex.

2. Tank HF. Even the Germans themselves recognized him as the best heavy tank of the first half of the Second World War and which the Germans could not knock out of one of their anti-tank guns. They equated their chances in heavy tanks only with the release of their heavy tanks of the Tiger and Panther series.

3. Tank IS-2. The best heavy tank of the end of the second world war, with which even the fascist "Tigers" of all modifications could not compete. Reluctantly, this fact is recognized by most foreign experts.

4. Fighter Yak-3. The best lightweight fighter of the second world war, according to many foreign experts. In their tactical and technical qualities superior to any fighter of the time.

5. The Soviet atomic bomb, which we made in just two years from nowhere, is practically empty. You can say a lot about the fact that we supposedly took the atomic bomb project from the Americans. Speak, if you have nothing more to do. Paper with drawings is one thing, and a finished object in the form of a nuclear charge is completely different.
Now atomic charge drawings can be taken on the Internet. Take it and do it! Who's stopping you ?! However, nothing happens. Because for its manufacture it is necessary to create an appropriate scientific technical and production base. And this base had to be created in a war-ravaged country. And the Soviet people under the leadership of the Soviet government and their Communist Party created such a base. But for some reason there is no monument to this unprecedented feat of the Soviet people.

6. The hydrogen bomb, which we made the first in the world, ahead of the Americans themselves, who began to work on it much earlier and worked for almost ten years. And we got it in the forty-ninth year on the land devastated by war. What kind of powerful potential did Soviet civilization have if it turned out to be capable of such impossible things ?!

7. The world's first nuclear power plant in Obninsk. As a model of the peaceful use of the atom. The Americans did atomic bombs and nuclear submarines, but we now took, and with the help of the atom we launched our power station, ahead of America, rich, fat and never fought on its territory.

8. The world's first nuclear-powered icebreaker. Another example of a peaceful Soviet approach to the use of nuclear energy on earth.

9. The world's first satellite of the earth. It was a terrible blow to the prestige and psychology of Americans. And they considered this Soviet success an accident.

10. But then followed the world's first launch of higher-class living beings into space, the dogs Belka and Strelka and their return to earth.

11. And then something happened that Americans still cannot forgive us. The world's first cosmonaut, a citizen of the Soviet Union, Yuri Gagarin, appeared. It was then that the President of the United States uttered his famous words: the Russians defeated us in the competition for Cosmos at the school desk. And it is this, the best education in the world, that the current Russian radical democrats have been actively destroying for the last two decades.

12. And then we went to our impressive achievements in space exploration: the world's first images of the far side of the moon, delivered to the earth, and the world's first globe of the moon with a detailed lunar relief.

13. The first pennant from the earth, delivered to the moon and left there forever, as a symbol of the triumph of the Soviet Socialist system on this earth.

14. The world's first moving vehicle, the so-called lunar rover, delivered to the moon and for many months moving on the surface of the moon and transmitting images of the moon to the earth.

15. The world's first orbital space station, rotating in orbit around the earth, with interchangeable astronaut crews working on it for several months.

16. The first in the world reusable spacecraft called "Buran", launched from an orbital aircraft and returning to earth in automatic mode. Outstanding Soviet space achievement, then thrown out on the instructions of the US STATE DEPARTMENT of the new owners of Russia in a landfill.

17. The first in the world super-high, the so-called Ostankino television tower, built on an unusual and extremely safe domestic project.

18. The best in the world shooting machine, the genius of the Soviet worker, who became an outstanding Soviet designer, Mikhail Kalashnikov. In present-day Russia such as he, no one, except a loader on the market, could ever get a job.

19. The most massive in the world semi-automatic welding of metal structures in a protective gas environment with a consumable electrode and now called Russian welding or carbon dioxide welding.

20. Automatic welding of metals under the flux, with which we in the Second World War welded tank hulls in the "Tankograd" in the Urals.

21. Automatic welding of metal of unlimited thickness, the so-called electroslag welding, which in Soviet times was widely used in the manufacture of large body parts for various purposes weighing up to several thousand tons.

22. One of the most popular ways of producing high-alloy steels with desired properties, now called electroslag remelting.

23. Mastering the mass production of multilayer twisted pipes for high pressure gas pipelines, butt-welding of which, when installed in the field, is now carried out according to the method proposed by the author of this article.

24. Mastering the production of brazed instead of welded metal masts high-voltage gear.

25. Mastering the production of the world's largest converters for smelting steel with a capacity of over five hundred tons.

26. Mastering the production of converter steel with a purge of liquid melt with oxygen instead of air.

27. The introduction of a single energy system in the country, the only one in the world for such large states. In America, it is still not there, but we have it! More precisely - it was! Mr Chubais and his friend Yeltsin destroyed it.

28. A single geological map for the whole country, according to which it is still possible to predict the location of various mineral resources. There is still no such card in any major country of the world.

29. The first in the world installation for controlled nuclear fusion of type TOKAMAK

30. The first in the world mobile installation for launching ballistic missiles on the basis of railway cars, which has no analogues in the world so far and which we have destroyed at the request of the US Department of State in the commemorative nineties.

31. The world's first nuclear submarine with a two-layer welded hull, capable of operating at depths of over six hundred meters.

31. The world's first nuclear submarine with a welded hull of titanium, capable of diving to a depth of up to a thousand meters.

34. The first aircraft in the world with a variable wing geometry, which caused a sensation at the Le Bourget parade at the time.

35. The world's first plane with vertical lift and landing.

36. The world's first jet passenger liner.

37. The world's first supersonic passenger liner.

38. In general, we must admit that forty-odd percent of the global passenger aviation in the second half of the twentieth century were equipped with Soviet aircraft.

39. The first in the world "ekranoplan", a kind of flying hybrid of a naval ship and a plane that was tested in the late eighties and which has no analogues so far in the world.

40. The world's first giant transport aircraft capable of transporting over 250 tons of payload by air.

41. The world's first ship on hydrofoils.

42. The first in the world contact butt welding of large-sized bodies of diesel engines of diesel locomotives and marine vessels.

43. The first in the world industrial contact butt welding of pipes of main pipelines in field conditions.

44. The first and only carousel in the world for processing hydroturbine housings with a faceplate diameter of fifteen meters.

46. The world's first heavy-duty dump truck with a payload of 850 tons for coal and iron ore deposits in southern Yakutia.

47. The only country in the world that produces high capacity walking excavators with a bucket capacity over 150 cubic meters.

48. The only country in the world that produces floating dredges of great power for the extraction of gold and rare-earth minerals from the bottom of rivers.

All that I have called here is just what I immediately thought of and what can be said right away, without thinking, and about which almost every technically literate and technically inquisitive Soviet person was aware. Much has been written about these achievements of ours in the magazines Tekhnika Vodya, Knowledge and Strength, Science and Life, Young Technician and in a number of other periodicals of the Soviet Union, with millions of copies published. And which we now have in the country. They were replaced by countless glossy magazines with half-naked and very naked girls.

And for sure I missed something and apologize to my readers for that. But if anyone has any additions to this list of mine, I will accept them with great pleasure!

This suggests an elementary conclusion from which one cannot get anywhere, even if he would like to. The conclusion is the following: In its development, the Soviet Union was at the forefront of world technical progress and its contribution to the development of human civilization is extremely large. That is, the Soviet state system proved to be an order of magnitude more effective than the capitalist one. Despite its natural costs and three terrible wars, swept through our open spaces.

Under the Soviet system, under the Soviet regime, Russia was rapidly developing. Moreover, it was developing not at the expense of foreign investments that came to us for free for crazy profits, but at the expense of their internal reserves and the immense resources of the Soviet state system based on Socialist democracy.
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  1. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 9 August 2013 09: 35
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    Yes, the "damned" communists swept across Russia in a whirlwind, leaving behind schools, factories and hospitals, that's because bastards!
    1. Uncle Serozha
      Uncle Serozha 9 August 2013 09: 46
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      Quote: Standard Oil
      "damned" communists swept through Russia in a whirlwind, leaving behind schools, factories and hospitals

      Unfortunately, the liberals have robbed us of this difficult communist legacy. Like the author of the article, I have to deal with modern Russian youth. And they hang their ears, listening about the creation of our missile defense system, the development of our tank design bureaus and anti-ship missiles. And I feel sorry for these guys. One of them just has a golden head. Alas, they grew up in the 90s and when I once again wonder what they were taught at school, they tell me what.
      No matter how scolded Stalin, one thing is obvious to me. Under that power, such talented guys like this of my subordinate became engineers, scientists, and even people's commissars. And now nothing shines on them. Different personalities are held in high esteem. Sad, comrades ... sad
      1. domokl
        domokl 9 August 2013 10: 18
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        Quote: Uncle Seryozha
        Unfortunately, the liberals have robbed us of this difficult communist legacy.

        Are you tired of being a ram? They deprived us, they ruined the country, they sold the country ... Ugh .. And where were we at that time? Voted not with our minds, but with our hearts? They bought rusty imported cars? They ate Sneakers, instead of Alyonka’s normal chocolate?
        We have profiled the country. And no one else. And we tolerate these very liberals, and no one else. And we will be happy to choose them again in thoughts, too.
        The country needs not to mourn, but to revive ... Tear the veins, and revive. The thieves must be planted, the defense industry must be developed.
        The Russian people (I don’t want to use the current Russians, the mother of their children) could and could now pull out the country and make life better.
        Russia’s achievements over the years have been great, but even more are ahead. One word is God's chosen country.
        1. Uncle Serozha
          Uncle Serozha 9 August 2013 10: 29
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          Quote: domokl
          We profuci country. And no one else

          This is only partly true. The late Soviet elite (the very one that will later sell the country) spoke to us with cliches that filled their teeth. We did not believe them and fell for sneakers and beautiful films. Personally, I don’t take the blame off myself, but it's silly to blame everyone. We did not know much.
          Quote: domokl
          The country needs not to mourn, but to revive ..

          One does not only interfere with the other, one follows from the other. Many young people are now convinced that life in the USSR was hopeless darkness. And that is why it is no sin to regret the achievements of the USSR once again. But not for the sake of nostalgia, but as a determination of the course. So that the revival does not accidentally turn into degeneration (see paragraph 1)
          1. domokl
            domokl 9 August 2013 10: 41
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            Quote: Uncle Seryozha
            . Personally, I don’t take the blame off myself, but it's silly to blame everyone. We did not know much.

            In 1991, I and my subordinates stood on the stairs of the White House and was ready to die for democracy. Students around Moscow universities stood firm in the belief that they could resist Alpha with sand pockets. And on August 21, I shouted with everyone in the backyard of the White House when they shot a red flag and hung a demon. And in 93 we all wrote reports on dismissal ...
            Quote: Uncle Seryozha
            Many young people are now convinced that life in the USSR was hopeless darkness

            Have you ever wondered why this happens? After all, these are our children, not their grandchildren, but their children. And they were born back in the Soviet Union. Why do our children believe the Internet more (look, the link to any article is perceived as an unapproachable truth by youth) than to us? Probably true - the betrayer will betray the second one. We are not believed.
            1. Uncle Serozha
              Uncle Serozha 9 August 2013 10: 45
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              Quote: domokl
              . Why do our children believe the Internet more (look, the link to any article is perceived as an unapproachable truth by youth) than to us?

              Fortunately, this is not always the case. What I tell them about the USSR, they just believe. And the links that I give them, too. That's why I wrote that this is not about nostalgia, but about a guide to action.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 9 August 2013 11: 56
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                Quote: domokl
                Why do our children more believe the Internet (look, the link to any article is perceived as an unapproachable truth by young people) than to us? Probably a true betrayer will betray a second one. We do not believe

                Quote: Uncle Seryozha
                The late Soviet elite (the very one that will later sell the country) spoke to us with cliches that filled their teeth. We did not believe them and fell for sneakers and beautiful films. Personally, I don’t take the blame off myself, but it's silly to blame everyone. We didn’t know much

                - Yes, it was, I also fell for the "attractively glossy" Western lifestyle. And there was no other information. Here, in the USSR, everything seemed gray, my life was written in advance by someone: "school -> technical university (legal and diplomatic universities NOT FOR PROLETARY CHILDREN) -> work as an engineer 120 r -> closer to 40 the turn for an apartment will come -> I will become what - to be the boss 360 -400 rubles -> pension ", and there is a bright girl in jeans" nothing will get between me and my jeans ", cool cars, yachts, beautiful houses and continuous cocktail receptions instead of gray plowing with assault at the end of each quarter here ... In general, the picture was losing a lot. The trouble is that in the West it really turned out to be a picture, and as in the picture in the West itself 0,1% of the population lives, but we bought. They divorced the Soviet people in a cruel way and still demand gratitude and "the continuation of democratic reforms" am
                Let’s not reproach ourselves much today than sprinkle ashes on our heads, it’s better to make concrete efforts to rectify the situation - but in fact, besides the grandmother and time (the grandmother - waste paper, time - it was necessary for us to understand what was happening) and a little opportunities, we especially did not lose anything! Scientific and technical potential of the country? Yes, you see - both the PAK FA and the PAK DA, and aircraft carriers are quietly created, and new tanks ... Yes, missiles sometimes fall, it happens ... But there is no systemic collapse of the country's scientific and technical potential! Let IMHO, prove me the opposite!
                The level of medical care? The level of education? There is a deterioration in quality, and quite noticeable ... But then again - there is no irreversible, systemic crash. In the presence of rigid political will, necessary resources and good profile ministers - this is a matter of returning to their former positions.
                Standard of living? Stratification of society? Yes, too, there are no irreversible changes, everything, if desired, is recouped back.
                That is, the Americans did NOT do anything dramatic with us! wassat Just did not know how! Let them rejoice at their victory in the Cold War, this victory is PIRROVA. It was given to them very expensively, they have unbearable trillion debts, which they can only write off by starting a big war (only who will ALLOW them?), But in principle, nothing terrible and irreversible happened!
                The only problem is that the authorities do not have a strong political will to turn things around (there are no such problems with resources and professionals - in Russia there is an abundance of them), now let's create a field of political (electoral) pressure on the authorities to do the way we want.
                1. DPN
                  DPN 9 August 2013 15: 28
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                  Unfortunately, they have achieved a lot, BUNNING OF THE SOCIETY, than Chubais the redhead boasted. It’s not possible to unite the people, and the rulers will never agree to this.
                  1. alone
                    alone 9 August 2013 15: 31
                    +4
                    divide and conquer, the old trick)))
                    1. knn54
                      knn54 9 August 2013 19: 02
                      +9
                      Lobster, divide, DRAW and conquer ...
                      PS The development of mass production of multilayer twisted pipes for high-pressure gas pipelines, which are butt-welded when installed in the field, is now carried out according to the method proposed by the author of this article.
                      ANT-20 "Maxim Gorky"
                      Ultra-small submarine "Pygmy", developed by the Ostekhbyuro and launched in 1935!
                      Space engines NK-33.
                      Technologies for nuclear fuel enrichment.
                      TRIZ - theory of solving inventive problems !!!
                      ...
                      UNIQUE even fragments from the ruined country.
                  2. SASCHAmIXEEW
                    SASCHAmIXEEW 9 August 2013 17: 02
                    +7
                    It’s in vain that you think people will follow an acceptable idea, I’m not talking about lumpen, our people are smart enough, click on a beat ...., save RUSSIA, not a single oligarch and hangman will be left ... there’s no one to click on ... everyone in the bar changed clothes , with the exception of Sterligov, respect for him from Russian peasants !!! WAITING FOR KLICH !!!
                  3. RoTTor
                    RoTTor 9 August 2013 17: 50
                    +9
                    Normal revolutionary situation, exactly according to Lenin. It doesn’t dawn just because the pressure is released through the valve - the ability to permanently go abroad. Well, also through the traditional - drunkenness \. to which was added the mass anesthesia of youth.
                  4. kanevsvv
                    kanevsvv 10 August 2013 20: 47
                    +1
                    I don’t see any stratification, it will be necessary to get together!
                    1. Snoop
                      Snoop 11 August 2013 17: 26
                      0
                      What else ... there is already a layer of society that uses such terms as somehow - rogues, beggars, etc.
                  5. kanevsvv
                    kanevsvv 10 August 2013 20: 47
                    -1
                    I don’t see any stratification, it will be necessary to get together!
                2. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 9 August 2013 15: 39
                  +5
                  Quote: aksakal
                  and as in the picture in the West itself, 0,1% of the population lives
                  True, but the paradox is that the average person in the West currently lives better than the average citizen of Russia or Kazakhstan.

                  They crucified the Soviet people
                  They divorced and continue to breed, but people still refuse to think with their heads.

                  it is better to make concrete efforts to rectify the situation
                  Who will give you that? All Russian policy is aimed at cutting off the possibility of a U-turn and a return to the principles of the Stalinist USSR, and the people refusing to think with their heads, for the most part (at least judging by the voting at the elections) shouts "hurray" to this policy.

                  we didn’t really lose anything! Scientific and technical potential of the country? Yes, you see - both the PAK FA can do it, and the PAK DA, and the aircraft carriers are quietly created, and new tanks
                  For the time being, I see projects based on the Soviet backlog and nothing more - another quarter of a century in the same vein, and even this will not happen.

                  Yes, missiles sometimes fall, it happens ... But there is no systemic collapse of the country's scientific and technological potential! Let IMHO, prove me the opposite!
                  What evidence are you willing to accept, even if it’s not obvious to you?

                  But then again - there is no irreversible, systemic crash. In the presence of rigid political will, necessary resources and good profile ministers - this is a matter of returning to their former positions
                  Degradation is a matter of time. Who will allow you to fulfill the conditions listed by you? Until now, this has not been done, therefore, under the current Government, it will not be.

                  That is, the Americans did NOT do anything dramatic with us!
                  And they didn’t.

                  Let them rejoice in their victory in the Cold War
                  Was there a victory? Maybe there is an act of surrender?

                  The only problem is that the authorities do not have a powerful political will to turn everything back
                  There is no need to "confuse" will and purpose.

                  let’s create a field of political (electoral) pressure on the authorities to do what we want.
                  The only field left for us is the elections, and how everyone is choking on this field is known to all.
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 9 August 2013 21: 08
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                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    True, but the paradox is that the average person in the West currently lives better than the average citizen of Russia or Kazakhstan.
                    - at the moment - yes! Unfortunately ... For it was the Europeans who divorced us and continue to breed us with the hands of the Kudrins and Chubais. And in the USSR? In Soviet times, I built a brick house with my father, you will be surprised in '91, as soon as they allowed on their summer cottages instead of a tiny garden house (after all, the USSR has some, unfortunately, moments, well, there’s no way from them), well, my father and I did not know what to build from bricks and natural pine (doors, windows, rafters and roof sheathing, a bathhouse, etc.) - it turns out to be incredibly expensive! Here the Americans came and explained to us, stupid Kazakhs, that building from brick and wood is very expensive, but building from guan like SIP panels or finnblocks is just that, 80% of amers live in such houses. But we didn’t know and built an expensive house in which I live, a lot of my neighbors live in similar ones, we also did not know that it is impossible to build from brick, it is very expensive, and I, here’s an average Kazakh in a big brick house, somehow I’m laughed that the average European is living better than me — is his guan house worth it? Or is he better than me drinking beer in the same Turkey, where I, and this geyropec get out once a year? Something, dear, you are thinking about
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    the average person in the West currently lives better than the average citizen of Russia or Kazakhstan.
                    . Is liberal propaganda so convincing for you? I note that the amenities that a westerner can get due to a more developed infrastructure cannot be taken into account, because Europeans do not have such distances and climate, population density is above a certain critical point, after which the development of infrastructure is much easier. In our country, Kazaktelekom Nazarbayev himself with difficulty drives the telephone and internet connection of the population, this is an objective thing and has little to do with the socio-economic formation. I will hope that you understand this, if not, then there’s nothing to argue with you, I’ll just write you to zero and in the future just don’t be offended by my posts. I am ready to argue with smart and understanding people, stupid victims of liberal propaganda, stupidly to the troll, because I do not consider them worthy of a normal conversation.
                    1. aksakal
                      aksakal 9 August 2013 21: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      And they didn’t.
                      - laughing laughing laughing laughing Didn't you? In the Cold War to defeat the USSR? Before you argue with me, you would at least respect Brzezinski, because your man, you would at least honor yours, or something. For the further collapse of Russia after the collapse of the USSR, Chechnya - a spontaneous outbreak of the national liberation movement? And a further attempt at expansion into Dagestan, after which Putin made the decision of a second war with Chechnya - this is your opinion - well, from this place, please justify your interpretation "They did not do it."
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      The only field left for us is the elections, and how everyone is choking on this field is known to all.
                      - well, this is how almost the whole world lives, and many do not even have such a "unique field" ... Well, share your social invention, but can we offer something in return? Well, I am not against the fact that every cook would make laws, control the army, and even become the President for a few days, just share how to implement it in real life, so much so that that cook would not break the wood laughing
                      I am waiting for thoughts, while the impression of your post, how would you say that would not offend?
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 9 August 2013 23: 05
                        +2
                        Quote: aksakal
                        hands of the Kudrins and Chubais
                        Do Europeans continue to breed? Hands curls and chubais? laughing
                        Maybe you recall how Vova was in Moscow? Let me remind you - he, the patriot, Kudrin and Chubais, who worked with him at Sobchak, were discharged from St. Petersburg.
                        It may be reminded how NeDimon with Kudrin and Chubais ended up in their places? Let me remind you - they were appointed by Vova (Article 83 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, Article 6 N139-FZ of 19.07.07/XNUMX/XNUMX)
                        somehow lame that the average european
                        And I'm not talking about you - I'm talking about the average citizens of countries.
                        Compare ka levels of consumer baskets, or living wages and minimum wage levels by country.
                        Or is he better than me drinking beer in the same Turkey ...
                        You, aksakal, are a very average citizen - apparently Kazakhstan lives very well, it’s like a geyropa. But in the Russian Federation, only 22% of the population (including business travelers) can afford a trip to foreign countries.
                        Liberal propaganda ...
                        You do not tell me about liberalism-you have seen a lot of living liberals? Or do you think the liberal is the one who, contrary to his principles of freedom of love, suddenly began to advocate for the institutions of juvenile justice? laughing
                        due to more developed infrastructure
                        What kind of infrastructure? See the level of living wages, and correlate them with reality and salaries (both average and minimum wage), calculate what percentage of GDP per capita is the minimum wage in a particular country.
                        We have Kazaktelecom in the village
                        And with what is it connected - with the fact that it is not beneficial for the company, or with the fact that it is not beneficial for the population?
                        even Brzezinski would be revered
                        And what does Zbyshek work for on the SVR? Not? Then with what joy would he merge the exact Old?
                        Do not confuse attempts to spoil the successful implementation of these attempts - it was not. In order to overturn the Union, it was necessary to work from the inside out, sabotage of their functions by the guys who held key positions in the Communist Party, the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor’s office and the army, and in order for these guys to start working against the country, they also didn’t need to bribe their mothers - enough the condition is the desire of the children themselves to take possession of the national property and usurp power.
                        Chechnya - a spontaneous outbreak?
                        Chechnya is a poorly controlled process in which, however, many have warmed their hands, both financially and politically.
                        well, so the whole world lives
                        So you don’t seem to be equal in terms of personal well-being on the homeless - why, then, in relation to the life of the country, are you proposing to be equal for the worst?
                        how to translate it in real life
                        Tips, my dear. A cook does not need to directly control the state - she needs to BE ABLE to manage and be able to set goals. The ability and ability to set and realize goals is power.
                      2. aksakal
                        aksakal 10 August 2013 02: 25
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                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        In order to overturn the Union, it was necessary to work from the inside out, sabotaging their functions by the guys who held key positions in the Communist Party, the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the prosecutor’s office and the army, and in order to
                        - one of the reasons, but far from self-sufficient. Churbanov, by the way, for such an attempt
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        take possession of public property
                        specifically sat down for a specific period, and it did not save him that someone's husband there and someone's beloved son-in-law. So you exaggerate the internal factors and downplay the external ones, although events of this kind are always a combination of both internal and external factors. So will you seriously demonstrate that the States did not try to overthrow their main geopolitical adversary?
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Chechnya is a poorly controlled process, on which, however, many have warmed their hands, both financially and politically
                        - you are moving away from a direct answer. What does the controllability of this process have to do with it? Such processes are a priori difficult to control, it’s understandable, what have you spread demagogy here? I ask you directly - are you going to prove to me that this Chechen process was not the result of a destructive special operation directed specifically at the collapse of Russia, but a spontaneous outbreak of the will of the Chechen people? Prove - I believe that in what is happening in Syria - a spontaneous outbreak of popular anger against Assad. Things are of the same order and handwriting is completely the same. After all, you told me that the Americans and the West in general have nothing to do with it, the USSR itself fell apart, and the current processes are exclusively the fault of the Russians themselves. My dear, you are whipped - BE kind to prove! am
                      3. aksakal
                        aksakal 10 August 2013 02: 43
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                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Maybe you recall how Vova was in Moscow? Let me remind you - he, the patriot, Kudrin and Chubais, who worked with him at Sobchak, were discharged from St. Petersburg.

                        - So what? Stalin robbed river ships under the nickname "koba" - so what? laughing laughing And what, my dear? And here I sat a little in Soviet times for pugnacity - and so what? Am I not a man now? What have you proven to me by this? laughing Firstly, Voloshin found him specifically, as manager of the President of EBN. Secondly, it doesn’t matter who suggested it, it’s important that the EBN was searched there, frantically changing the prime ministers — then the Germans, then Kiriyenko ... Then it’s decisive - the EBN and what he wanted to find this EBN, and who suggested there what the EBN eventually found - third matter laughing

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Have you seen a lot of living liberals? Or do you think the liberal is the one who, contrary to his principles of freedom of love, suddenly began to advocate for the institutions of juvenile justice?
                        - Well, tell me about liberalism and love of freedom, at least neighing. Ironically, those who advocate themselves as a liberal and call themselves a juvenile in Russia laughing Well, at least tell us how you have appropriated your honest name to the Honored Liberal and defamed those who suddenly began to advocate, well, no matter what you call them there laughing

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Compare ka levels of consumer baskets, or living wages and minimum wage levels by country.
                        - My wife also sometimes reprimands me for the fact that a neighbor drives a new car, and we ride a ten-year-old forika. Only I know that a neighbor got into debt, didn’t pull and wants to sell a car, only to lose less. Well, it’s easier for a neighbor - there’s someone to shove a car with. There is nowhere for the states and generally your vaunted west laughing And you thought, where did they get such minimum wages and salaries? Yes, everyone borrowed, they consume more than they produce laughing And you put this as an example to us? Prove that this is a worthy example. You made me angry, Yarosvet, now I won’t leave you behind.
                      4. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 10 August 2013 05: 04
                        -1
                        Quote: aksakal
                        one of the reasons, but far from self-sufficient
                        Really? You seem to be confusing the concept of national property in the sense of a bag of nails - with national property in the sense of factories, newspapers, ships, and the concept of "corruption" - with the concept of "change of the social and political system."

                        events of this kind are always a combination of both internal and external factors
                        Firstly, not always. Secondly, in our case, the mattresses were definitely on the sidelines, acting as consultants and cooperating on mutually beneficial terms with the Soviet nomenclature, but in fact already ex-post.

                        So will you seriously demonstrate that the States did not try to overthrow their main geopolitical adversary?
                        I argue that the collapse of the USSR is not the merit of the United States.

                        I ask you directly - are you going to prove to me that this Chechen process was not the result of a destructive special operation directed specifically at the collapse of Russia, but a spontaneous outbreak of the will of the Chechen people?
                        It was necessary to destabilize the system and, along with "mistakes" in the economy, they used radical Islam (launched in the Caucasus in the early 80s), nationalism and separatism, with which, as it turned out, they overdid it a little. And then there was "fishing" all and sundry, starting with mattacniki and ending with their own ugly - is that so clear?
                        And by the way - the separation of Chechnya, this is far from the collapse of Russia.

                        Prove - I believe that in what is happening in Syria - a spontaneous outbreak of popular anger against Assad. Things are of the same order and handwriting is completely the same
                        And things of a different order and handwriting is different.

                        After all, you told me that the Americans and the West in general have nothing to do with it, the USSR itself fell apart, and the current processes are exclusively the fault of the Russians themselves.
                        But it’s not worth distorting - I wrote in black and white that the Union was destroyed, another thing is that the attempts of the West have nothing to do with it. Or would you risk asserting that the Committee was a gathering of the mentally retarded?
                      5. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 10 August 2013 06: 20
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                        Quote: aksakal
                        Stalin robbed river ships under the nickname "koba" - so what?
                        Goofy! And Nuka a reference to the documents confirming this nonsense - please laughing

                        Further - what about your logic? Such an attempt at comparison would be appropriate if I spoke about the "Salier case." But I tell you that the patriot Vova was dragged to Moscow by the guys for whom the patriot (if he is a patriot) is the enemy - were they really supposed to do that?
                        And then even more interesting - the patriot-Vova apparently begins to exacerbate schizophrenia, and he appoints to key positions his (after all, he is a patriot - right?) Enemies, with whose hands (in your words) Europeans are spreading us.

                        Do you somehow decide - who in this case is inadequate: a patriot who appoints enemies to key posts, or one who is able to assume that a real patriot can do this.

                        And here I sat a little in Soviet times for pugnacity - and so what?
                        There is something to be proud of good

                        Firstly, Voloshin found it specifically
                        Where and how? He could not intersect with Vova, but even if he intersected, such appointments are made according to a very unfamiliar acquaintance.

                        Secondly, it doesn’t matter who suggested it
                        Yes, I do not want to belay Why should Mr. Liberalist Chubais drag a patriot Vova to Moscow?

                        it is important that there EBN was looking for, frantically changing the prime ministers - then the Germans, then Kiriyenko
                        Something I didn’t notice anything convulsive in EBN’s actions - they put Kiriyenko’s scapegoat, deliberately defaulted on GKOs, dropped the ruble unreasonably (as a result of which they broke the rival small and medium-sized businesses, redistributed the property of the latter and made money on the course), and then replaced the unpopular Kiriyenko with the popular Primakov.
                        Nemtsov, by the way, was never prime minister.

                        Here the decisive one is EBN and what this EBN wanted to find, and whoever suggested there what EBN eventually found is the third thing
                        If you don’t understand something, you don’t need to blame it on mysterious ways.

                        so tell me about liberalism and love of freedom, at least neighing. Ironically, those who advocate themselves as a liberal and call themselves a juvenile in Russia
                        And - so you are one of those who thinks that a pederast is not someone whom people of the same sex attract him, but only someone who claims it laughing
                        As for liberalism, take a look at the "lurka" - the article there is very correct in meaning, and at the same time you laugh.

                        Yes, everyone borrowed, they consume more than they produce
                        Badaaa ... Look at the meaning of the abbreviation "GDP" to begin with, then count what I suggested, then compare.
                      6. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 10 August 2013 06: 33
                        +2
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Goofy! A nuka a reference to the documents confirming this nonsense

                        Stalin raised the country, but in his tempestuous youth he was engaged in just such things. If you are interested, you will find this "nonsense"
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Nemtsov, by the way, was never prime minister.

                        Since 1997 - Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, Minister of Fuel and Energy of the Russian Federation, headed the collegium of state representatives on the board of RAO
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Badaaa ... Look at the meaning of the abbreviation "GDP" to begin with, then count what I suggested, then compare.

                        And there is nothing to compare when a country earns a dollar, and eats two. Although given your past komenty on the same France and the absolute not knowledge of realities, it is not surprising.
                      7. valokordin
                        valokordin 10 August 2013 06: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Stalin raised the country, but in his tempestuous youth he was engaged in just such things. If you are interested, you will find this "nonsense"

                        Agree
                      8. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 10 August 2013 11: 27
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                        With your light hand, we switched to "YOU", so there is no point in digging.

                        If you are interested you will find this "nonsense"
                        No, my dear - this is just nonsense, and as a result of the documentary source of this crap, no one was able to find. And all the more, nowhere has it ever been made even in the form of a rumor that Stalin robbed the RIVER SHIP - it was said that he robbed banks.
                        So since you’ve gotten into this discussion, please be kind to the link.

                        Since 1997 - Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation ...
                        Vice Prime Minister and Prime Minister (comparison with Kiriyenko) - completely different positions.

                        And there’s nothing to compare when a country earns a dollar and eats two
                        Do not distort - it’s not about how much the country eats, but about what percentage of the minimum wage is earned from one citizen of the country.

                        Although given your past komenty on the same France and the absolute not knowledge of realities, it is not surprising.
                        Not a single confirmation of the opposite has come from you.
                    2. aksakal
                      aksakal 10 August 2013 12: 28
                      0
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      Nemtsov, by the way, was never prime minister.

                      - Yarosvet, you definitely threw a glove to an opponent of the wrong weight category laughing Even the peasants with whom I often argued with earlier (and I am grateful to them for interesting disputes in the past) have already noted a bunch of your inaccuracies, ignorance, and even just lies.
                      According to Nemtsov - read his memoirs, he was considered by the EBN and as prime minister and in the future as president of the Russian Federation. Did not pass the banal exam - EBN at a meeting with the Swedish royal family, seeing that the Nemtsov liked the princess there, requested that the Germans publicly kiss her laughing In general, it is in the style of EBN - to put the Buridan donkey in the pose and watch it find a way out. Nemtsov did not find a way out, which he still recalls with horror, simultaneously cursing the EBN. There is logic in such jokes - in geopolitics and in big politics in general, there are many masters to put you and your country in such a pose of a buridan donkey, you either should not fall into such things, or find a worthy exit and, in turn, arrange a tax for your opponents. You read, in Google you are not banned.
                      I repeat my question: in the light of such a selection, which was personally conducted by EBN, what difference does it make who proposed Putin? What would you know - Voloshin - as the head of the President’s affairs, in fact the presidential personnel department, to find a suitable comrade is his direct responsibility. If Putin didn’t come up, we would never know about him, even if he was brought to Moscow by a chubais in a beak, even if he was a superchubais. And by the way, I can’t imagine Putin in the Nemtsov situation, which already explains why Putin passed all EBN exams.
                    3. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 10 August 2013 13: 52
                      +3
                      Quote: aksakal
                      noted a bunch of your inaccuracies, ignorance, and even just lies.
                      Examples of inaccuracies and lies, please.

                      he was considered EBNom
                      From how - has now been considered.
                      However, it is written above that "... EBN was looking for, frantically changing prime ministers - then the Germansthen Kiriyenko .... You can replace Nemtsov with Kiriyenko only if Nemtsov was the prime minister - the context of what you wrote speaks about this.

                      who tries who suggested Putin?
                      Am I writing in Chinese? Once again - the difference comes from your statement "The Europeans continue to bred us with the hands of the Kudrins and Chubais". If you are right in this case, then Kudrin and Chubais (and also EBN) would never have attached a patriot to a warm place (why should they do anything to their own detriment?), Which means Vova is the same as Kudrin, Chubais and EBN.
                      I think that you perfectly understood the course of my thoughts the first time, and now you are trying, as they say, to move out to the market.

                      What would you know - Voloshin - as the head of the President’s affairs, in fact the presidential personnel department, to find a suitable comrade is his direct responsibility.
                      Formally - yes, really - they take such places on acquaintance and surety. Plus, Vovin’s rapid career growth, indicating that they took him for a specific purpose and know him well. But Voloshin could not know him - what remains?

                      If Putin didn’t come up, we would never know about him, even if he was brought to Moscow by a chubais in a beak, even if he was a superchubais.
                      This by itself, and in connection with this, another question arises - why should a rubber product that has ruined the country be promoted to the patriot's successors?


                      Waiting for a link to Stalin.
                    4. aksakal
                      aksakal 10 August 2013 20: 31
                      -3
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      Do I write in Chinese? Once again, the difference stems from your statement "Europeans continue to cheat us with the hands of the Kudrins and Chubais." If you are right in this case, then Kudrin and Chubais (and at the same time FUCK) would never have put a patriot in a warm place (why should they do anything to their own detriment?), Which means that Vova is the same as Kudrin, Chubais and Ebn.

                      - think very primitively, very simplistically, at the level of an alcoholic in the kitchen, who absolutely blames Gorbachev for everything. But if you talk about the collapse of the USSR at a slightly (well, a little bit) higher level, then with regard to present-day Russia, especially with regard to representatives of the Russian authorities and generally how the authorities act and function, your reasoning is just at the level of an alcoholic the lowest damage.
                      Let me explain a little - the government is not a sharazh of your level, professionals work there in general. We may or may not love them, but they are all pros. And Kudrin, and Nabiullina, and Chubais ... And they all represent some kind of centers of power, someone's interests and they pursue these interests. Putin is just the President, he is simply one of the centers of power, simply the strongest, but not stronger than all the forces, if they are taken and consolidated in some way. In his daily activities, Putin is forced to take into account certain interests, since they are still centers of POWER, that is, they have the capabilities, resources and influence. I, of course, regret that a certain Yarosvet does not have such a representative in power, but I can’t help here - you just have to spit and swear, nothing will change from this. This is a very simplified way of working state power mechanisms, then learn the materiel yourself. And henceforth, do not enter into an argument when you do not know the subject. Since there are some actions of the authorities that you subjectively assess as extremely negative for Russia, then, therefore, only Putin is to blame for this, even if Putin has nothing to do with it. Let me give you an example - over Syria there is now a ban on the flight of Russian civil aircraft. This makes many humanitarian operations very difficult, but it was done against Putin's will. Somewhere the pilots (understandably, at the direction of the big people, "those very other centers of power") thought when flying over the territory of Syria that an anti-aircraft missile almost flew towards them. The fact that it "seemed" to the pilots still needs to be proved! Further, the head of the relevant department (Federal Air Transport Agency) issues a ban on flights over Syria. Why? And he, the head of the Federal Air Transport Agency, clearly in the job description says that in such cases, take measures for flight safety! And Putin cannot take it and cancel it! More precisely, maybe, but in this case he takes responsibility, and then certainly over Syria a couple of Russian civilian planes will be shot down! Who is not important, the main thing is what the result will be. This is just one of the most primitive examples of how one of the centers of power pursues its own (or it is not clear whose, it doesn't matter) interests, even if Putin himself is against it! Combinations can be much more difficult, you have yet to learn this with your life experience if you learn the materiel, and not argue with a saber bald! This is what I meant when I mentioned that there are destructive forces in the Russian government. You stupidly argue that Putin is a destructive force, because without Putin such a destructive force simply CANNOT BE in power! A very primitive and very simplistic representation. This concludes the lecture, success in mastering the materiel.
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                    6. aksakal
                      aksakal 12 August 2013 14: 06
                      -1
                      Read from Wasserman: "I myself worked as a political consultant for quite a long time and during this time I had many cases to see how little the possibilities of any leader, especially when he wants to do something that his subordinates do not like." This is about Stalin, "on whom all other people's dogs were hung." On the next branch) My post, which you minus, is also about "how little the possibilities of any leader, especially when he wants to do something that his subordinates do not like", only in relation to Putin. But it turns out that Stalin "can have little opportunities", but Putin cannot! The fact that Stalin could not always prevent repression is forgiven him! am And the fact that Putin is not always able to prevent negative processes in the country - again, due to limited opportunities, as an example cited - minuses have been pointed out. And to prove? And in general - to justify why, strictly speaking, Stalin is possible, but not Putin?
  • Normal
    Normal 9 August 2013 21: 53
    +5
    Quote: aksakal
    let’s create a field of political (electoral) pressure on the authorities to do what we want.

    What?! What?!! What is the "field of political (electoral) pressure on the authorities"? Have you fallen from the moon? Any attempt to point out to the authorities that not everything they do is done in the interests of the majority, causes only contempt or fear in the authorities (depending on the form of protest) Power in Russia exists exclusively for itself and considers all attempts to correct its course as intrigues of enemies. defame and discredit as any non-systemic opposition can.
    Tell me, how are you going to "put pressure" on the authorities so that they do as we want?
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 10 August 2013 03: 01
      -1
      Quote: Normal
      Any attempt to point out to the authorities that not everything that it does is in the interests of the majority, causes only contempt or fear in the government (depending on the form of protest)

      - as old as the world. Why should Sobyanin be afraid of the behavior of some head of one of the Moscow administrations, whose spouse behaved ugly in relation to either blue buckets or someone else? So no - fired the head of the council. I’m also thinking - why did Sobyanin really lose his temper here? He would have snorted and expressed contempt, I would have agreed with Normal with a light heart and the whole business. Only something doesn’t grow together - either Sobyanin is still a little afraid of the elections, and then his subordinate at that time with his wife, or Normal just invents that the authorities only snort contemptuously. Or scared - but the form of protest of those blue buckets against the behavior of the head of the council was completely non-aggressive, why be scared? But if, after all, even such a non-aggressive protest is frightened, then am I not right about the field of electoral pressure? Or would you like the authorities to do everything solely out of love for the electorate? Well, young girls also sacredly believe in pure love, but in life everything is a little more prosaic laughing And this is the first time.
      And secondly - how do you want the power to make people do what the people want? How is it in Egypt? There, too, people rule, the power of the crowd is called. Not in the last century of this guana? As historical reality shows, in Egypt the people are peaceful, they do not really kill each other in case of civil disagreements. But in Russia ... Normal, say bluntly - do you want a revolution? Which one? Immediately shocking - in Russia there is no just a bloody revolution. As the classic said about the Russian riot? Are you for it?
      1. Normal
        Normal 10 August 2013 04: 40
        +2
        Quote: aksakal
        He would have snorted and expressed contempt, I would have agreed with Normal with a light heart and the whole business. Only something doesn’t grow together - either Sobyanin is still a little afraid of the elections, and then his subordinate at that time with his wife, or Normal just invents that the authorities only snort contemptuously. Or scared - but the form of protest of those blue buckets against the behavior of the head of the council was completely non-aggressive, why be scared?

        This aksakal has nothing to fear, he is in Kazakhstan, and Sobyanin apparently has something to do; from Manezhka to the Kremlin, Z00 meters and how the cops will behave in the event of a big mess, the authorities are probably not 100% sure.
        I expressed my views on the ways of influencing the vla, on the rebellion and the revolution more than once, but the elder answered the question
        how are you going to "put pressure" on the authorities
        never answered. All about girls wink , but about Egypt ... laughing Old as the world ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 August 2013 06: 39
          0
          Quote: Normal
          ; from Manezhka to the Kremlin, Z00 meters and how the cops will behave in the event of a big mess, the authorities are probably not 100% sure.

          Heaped on the snot swamp and all business. When the big mess begins you hide a normal white ribbon, so that you would not fall under the distribution wink
  • Revolver
    Revolver 10 August 2013 06: 26
    +8
    Quote: aksakal
    Yes, it was, I also bought into the "attractively glossy" Western lifestyle. And there was no other information. Here, in the USSR, everything seemed gray, my life was written in advance by someone: "school -> technical university (legal and diplomatic universities NOT FOR PROLETARY CHILDREN) -> work as an engineer 120 r -> closer to 40 the turn for an apartment will come -> I will become what - the boss is 360 -400 rubles -> pension ", and there is a bright girl in jeans" nothing will get between me and my jeans ", cool cars, yachts, beautiful houses and solid cocktail receptions instead of gray plowing with assault at the end of each quarter here ... In general, the picture was losing a lot.

    I don’t remember who said, but very precisely: "Great things are seen at a distance."
    Arriving in America, I quickly realized that my idea of ​​it was very idealized. No, I'm not sorry that I took this step, just the fact that I had to change my view of things. But those who went for 20 varieties of sausages on the counter were, and some remained, very disappointed, because it turned out that in addition to sausage, there were a lot of problems that could not be taken care of in the USSR, but they had to.
    And I did not leave the USSR, but out of fear of what it was "rebuilding" into. There was a feeling that I would not have found a place as an engineer, and something was not drawn to "cooperators", as well as to "racketeers". And yet I could not have survived the 90s. And the further the USSR goes back into the past, the better you understand what we had and foolishly let go of our hands.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 10 August 2013 12: 43
      -1
      Quote: Nagan
      I don’t remember who said, but very precisely: "Great things are seen at a distance."

      Glad we understand each other.
      Quote: Nagan
      And the further it goes into the past of the USSR, the better you understand what we had and foolishly lost sight of.

      - My post is about the fact that we did not lose anything substantial. Yes, they spoiled, yes, it was degraded in something, yes, the generation has grown a little in other realities, BUT! After all, at the system level, they managed to NOT RADIALLY BREAK! The core of all systems is safe and sound, this is the main thing, and to restore to full operability would be a desire (hard political will) and resources (a little time, money and professional people) - and everything can be restored. I mean a powerful socially oriented state, with all the advantages that the USSR had - a developed free health care system, a powerful system of training and education, a powerful science with a good fundamental (which Western science lacks) bias, a strong self-sufficient industry and technology. But does the USSR itself as a regime with its ideology in an exact copy need to be restored? Well, here everyone decides for himself. The regime itself abhors me a little, think only this way, and not otherwise, abroad - prove that you are loyal, you can’t go there, no way here ... But this is my IMHO.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 10 August 2013 19: 05
        +2
        Quote: aksakal
        ... generation has grown a little in other realities ...
        Yes
        Quote: aksakal
        BUT! After all, at the system level, they managed to NOT RADIALLY BREAK! The core of all systems is safe and sound, this is the main thing, and to restore to full operability would be a desire (hard political will) and resources (a little time, money and professional people) - and everything can be restored.

        And here I do not agree with you. Too far, everything has gone, so the restoration, if any, then the next "to the ground, and then." Do you need it? Russia may not stand this.
        And who can lift it? GDP, with all due respect, will not pull. Now, if Stalin rose from the grave, I would have believed that the Union could be revived.
        Quote: aksakal
        But does the USSR itself as a regime with its ideology in an exact copy need to be restored? Well, here everyone decides for himself. The regime itself abhors me a little, think only this way, and not otherwise, abroad - prove that you are loyal, you can’t go there, no way here ... But this is my IMHO.

        I will answer you with a quote from Maurice Druon: "During his reign, France was the greatest power, and the French were the most unfortunate of people" (meaning Philip the Handsome). Although it is unpleasant to admit this, the system was held by the rule of the CPSU from the general secretary to the most sniffed district committee. The vertical was removed and everything collapsed. So the USSR and the dictatorship of the party apparatus are, as they say in America, a package deal.
  • alicante11
    alicante11 9 August 2013 13: 29
    +2
    No, it's just that very few parents tell their children about how it was then. Either there is no time, they work or are busy with themselves, then too lazy to deal with such "stupidity". In addition, very often the perception of the situation in the USSR, apparently, depended on where the person lived. I remember a lot myself, after all, in the 91st year I was 13 years old. But my sister is a cousin, who is 7 years younger than me, she does not remember anything Soviet at all. Mother also did not have time, one daughter was raising. And now this "miracle child" gives out such pearls about the USSR :(. Well, plus, my wife and I constantly argue about "how it was." She lived in the suburbs and says that life was bad, I sometimes have this the feeling that she is talking about the 90s, but no mid and late 80s. I ask my father-in-law, yes, it was approximately. I will give the simplest example. I went to a music school in Khabarovsk for free for 4 years, to football in the SKA DYUSSH too 4 years and also for free. On the contrary, we were even given uniforms for games and for servicing SKA Khabarovsk matches. And her parents paid for studying in the music school. And there are many such moments.
    So it turns out that everyone had their own USSR, and some didn’t give a damn about it, that’s true memories, and only liberal propaganda remains.
  • abdrah
    abdrah 9 August 2013 14: 18
    +6
    Youth like a sponge absorbs what surrounds it. my parents often told me that they were not like us, and their parents respectively said the same thing.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcfLkC74fao
  • My address
    My address 9 August 2013 10: 40
    11
    Dear Alexander!

    So I voted with 90 only for the Communists, which I called others to. At work, I made remarks that it was not good, they should be in favor of the EP, as the plant management does in unison. Although the top of the present, led by Zyuganov, I do not consider these communists. I consider communist ideas the development of Christian ideas about a just society.

    I ask you and others to vote on the website of the Communist Party for the resignation of the government of Medvedev.
    1. domokl
      domokl 9 August 2013 10: 47
      10
      Quote: My address
      Although the top of the present, led by Zyuganov, I do not consider real communists

      The problem is that the Communist Party besides the name has almost nothing in common with the Communists. The Classical Socialist Party. And the youth understand this. Therefore, we are left-wing radical movements like mushrooms after the rain.
      Now on the issue of resignation. And who do you propose at the premieres? Someone? Just not Medvedev? We need to give the people a clear and clear development program. Well-grounded economically. And now we have programs like Putin, the federal development program for the village of Pupyryui ... Funded from pupyryshkinskogo budget, the Federal program for the development of children's sports. Financing from there.
    2. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx 9 August 2013 12: 10
      +6
      Quote: My address
      Although the top of the present, led by Zyuganov, I do not think are real Communists. I consider communist ideas the development of Christian ideas about a just society.

      That’s for sure - according to Zyuganov’s mind, it’s high time to leave his post, it would be desirable immediately after the 96th, when he surrendered his faith in the electorate to Yeltsin, but he still won’t play enough in the leader ...
      1. Bosk
        Bosk 9 August 2013 20: 21
        +9
        There are different communists, let’s say we have such a communist Rubiks in Latvia ... he was in prison for the idea in prison in the 90s, and even his enemies respect this ideology. When they say that the Communists ruined the Union ... I think they are wrong, the careerists ruined the Union, and today, where and where, but not among the Communists, careerists hang out ...
    3. Gari
      Gari 9 August 2013 12: 19
      13
      Under the Soviet system, under Soviet rule, Russia developed rapidly
      All the republics of the USSR developed, but Russia, although weakened after revolutions and civil war, was before that a Powerful Empire,
      but there were republics that not only had no industry, but were not state formations at all, were almost under feudalism, and by 1991 they were full-fledged states
      I am sorry for the power.
      1. My address
        My address 9 August 2013 19: 57
        +4
        My favorite film. And not only mine.
    4. Airman
      Airman 9 August 2013 12: 46
      +3
      Quote: My address
      Dear Alexander!

      So I voted with 90 only for the Communists, which I called others to. At work, I made remarks that it was not good, they should be in favor of the EP, as the plant management does in unison. Although the top of the present, led by Zyuganov, I do not consider these communists. I consider communist ideas the development of Christian ideas about a just society.

      I ask you and others to vote on the website of the Communist Party for the resignation of the government of Medvedev.

      I also always voted for the Communists, I was and remain a communist, but in the last election I voted for Zhirik, because Zyuganov and the Communist Party engaged in verbiage, and not the fight against United Russia for the restoration of the STATE of the working people.
    5. papas-57
      papas-57 9 August 2013 19: 53
      +5
      Maybe in due time I would have voted for the Communists if the Secretary General weren’t Zyugan (with a small letter, this is not a mistake, but my contempt for this pi ... bol). He has been hanging around in the Gadyushnik for twenty years, and apart from balabolism he has done nothing for his people, even when the Communists had a majority and could pass the laws necessary for the country.
  • vladimirZ
    vladimirZ 9 August 2013 11: 15
    +7
    "Russian mass media of a democratic orientation keep repeating around the clock that the Russian people are backward, second-rate, inferior, incapable of anything serious in science and technology, and the task of Russia now is only to wander in the tail of world civilization ..." (from article)


    The 5th column of traitors paid by the USA and the West is operating in Russia. The government includes people consciously working for the USA and the West, agents of influence, as the liberals bashfully call them, but essentially enemies of the people and Russia. Yes, and direct advisers to the Americans, probably to hell, such as those of Chubais.
    You don’t have to go far for an example - send the Stabilization and Reserve Funds of Russia to the USA and the West, only a direct enemy of Russia could come up with.
    How can one get rid of these traitors in the government and the media with such a total "brainwashing" among the citizens of Russia?
    The older generation knows life in the USSR, can compare, unless their consciousness is smeared with "a piece of sausage from the West" and "30 pieces of silver" in their pockets, and young people, how to convince them to vote for parties that reflect the interests of the majority of the people, how to involve them in the work of these parties?
    Not to United Russia - the party of officials and oligarchs, not to the Liberal Democratic Party, created to divert votes from voters, but to the party of social justice - the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Fair Russia.
    Other parties do not count, for example, Prokhorov's "Platform and I", they are created to "spread the vote" so that in this mess it would be easy for United Russia to gain the upper hand.
    But without an organizational political force in the form of a party, the people are simply doomed to drag out the miserable state of "backward, second-rate, inferior, unable to do anything."
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 9 August 2013 11: 46
      +7
      Oh Volodya, I put you + only
      Quote: vladimirZ
      In Russia, the 5th column of traitors paid by the USA and the West is operating.


      Now in batches)))
      Here are the Russian people, these are comrades who do not get together in a herd of parties, to carry out some decisions or actions, people just do it, if they see the RIGHT BUSINESS, they decide to help ...

      Party, flock, flock are needed only for robbery, attacks and persecution of PEOPLE.
      And no matter what it's called - EP, CCP, Jewish Congress, BER, Civil Initiative ...and in a flock of gaining LITERATURE PEOPLE ....
      Those who CREATED something, invented, WORK, will not get into any party, .....
      They then understand that the system of parties, movements is the extraction of the ENERGY of CREATION from a person-CREATOR ....
      Therefore, in the Duma show men, athletes, hinsteins and kobzons ...
      in fact, they are the 5th column ...
      I'll tell you about "PROKHORA" -this little man, Wait, finances NGOs that previously financed the States directly ... Because he earns "schemes" and not INTELLECTUAL labor,

      Let's change your worldview.
      What they advertise for a while and what the media is calling for will only lead to the Death of the People, the state, ...
      to your personal death
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 9 August 2013 12: 16
        +4
        You are wrong that parties can be dispensed with, since they "are needed only for robbery, attacks and harassment of PEOPLE" (your words).
        If ordinary normal people are not organized into political parties with the Program and the Charter, which proclaim socially just goals for the majority of the people, then the parties will organize others who understand that any organized group is stronger than an unorganized mass of people.
        These will be officials, oligarchs, such as Prokhorov, bandits, to impose their narrow-group goals on the majority of the people to hold power in their raking hands.
        What do you think the oligarch Prokhorov just "climbs into power" with the help of the organized and widely advertised party "Civil Platform and Me"? No, he understands that without a broad party, albeit with a purchased asset, he will not see power, despite his billions.
        Political science, the science of the development of society and the state, there are also laws, as in any science. So, what is really here to "reinvent the wheel", you need to apply this science in practice.
        1. Asgard
          Asgard 9 August 2013 13: 06
          +2
          Ah Volodymyr zabombirovs YOU)))

          well, YOU (WE) organized a party, let's call it "Justice"
          I can push (incendiary) speech))
          But in our supporters we will have Jews, thieves, disappointed in other parties, ignoramuses and careerists ......

          The Russian people will not go, but you and I will find out about ourselves - who we are sleeping with, what we have stolen, and we will have a couple of criminal cases (so that they are not fluffy and white))) with the existing laws adopted by the "Duma" - it's a piece of cake .. ..

          DO NOT ASSUME)))
          there is another WAY. Think. Take off the "blinders" from your eyes.
          Read the article again - you (your ancestors)) came up with half of everything around.
          There is no need to play the "game" by their rules ...
          lose Volodya ....
          They have more "cycling" practices.
          You must have "Vimana"
          Think carefully (Russian people)) and .....
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 9 August 2013 17: 41
            +2
            You are wrong Asgard.
            There is no other way to rectify the situation in Russia, as through the organizational political force of the people - the party of socialist orientation. Another path is the path of disorganized rebellion and blood. This long-suffering Russia for its history, "behind the eyes."
            It is a pity that you do not understand this.
            An organized adversary can only be fought with the same organized force.
            This is proved by the whole history of mankind.
            Well, as for personal zombies, I don’t attribute this to myself because of my age, my life experience, certain experience of grassroots party work in the CPSU, and solid and constant political views.
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 9 August 2013 17: 06
        +1
        1000000 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      3. kanevsvv
        kanevsvv 10 August 2013 21: 09
        +1
        Everything can be done for a just cause, even life can be given as grandfathers to war, to work in three shifts for the good of the country, like our fathers.
    2. elmi
      elmi 9 August 2013 13: 31
      +3
      Quote: vladimirZ
      and youth, how to convince them to vote for parties that reflect the interests of the majority of the people, how to involve them in the work of these parties?
      Not to United Russia - the party of officials and oligarchs, not to the Liberal Democratic Party, created to divert votes from voters, but to the party of social justice - the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Fair Russia.

      My opinion is that early youth younger than 20 to vote in elections are easily controllable. Also, conscripts, people in prisons, colonies, sailors in swimming, early voting and many facts allowing to force to vote for them can not be allowed to vote. the elections are won not by those who voted, but by those who voted for. So everything doesn’t always depend on us during the elections. Most of the voting takes place in schools, and teachers vote, and they follow the instructions of the authorities to whom to win, failed You can’t dismiss, they will be fired, schools are subject to the governor and he is the president. It is not difficult to guess what the outcome of the election will be. You can talk for a long time about who is to blame and what to do, but I’m sure of one thing - that everything depends on us, on our conscience. If everyone lives according to their conscience, is honest, incorruptible and will be a patriot of Russia, no Western money can bribe a person. I remember in the elections they offered a lot of money for the vote of one voter, I didn’t buy it, but many bought it justifying that my vote would have little effect, as a result, those from whom we later suffer and complain - why do we live so poorly? Does our life go bad? good depends on , Start with yourself, be chestnymi.Ne be too because all the material with them to the light is not dragged))) We are small links in a large country, and it depends on us what it will be strong and we slaboy.Vmeste force.
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 9 August 2013 17: 20
        +1
        Here you are, Elmir, correctly say:
        "I remember at the elections they offered a lot of money for the vote of one voter, I did not buy it, but many bought it, justifying that my vote would have little effect, as a result those who come to power from whom we then suffer and complain ...",

        but in order for people to vote so consciously and understand that WHO depends on them, we need not only honesty, but also an understanding of what political power each person personally votes for, one must correctly understand which party whose interests reflect, not their election slogans, but their real nature.
        The issue of fairness of elections, the use of various kinds of electoral fraud on the part of those in power, "counting of votes" exists today and it can be solved only with strong popular parties capable of controlling this process, and nothing else.
        I support you
        "We are small links of one big country and it depends on us how strong or weak it will be. Together we are strength.",

        but for this we must, at least correctly, be politically oriented towards a party that reflects the interests of the majority of the people, and not towards a party that reflects the interests of oligarchs and officials.
        1. elmi
          elmi 9 August 2013 21: 15
          +2
          Quote: vladimirZ
          but in order for people to vote so consciously and understand that WHO depends on them, we need not only honesty, but also an understanding of what political power each person personally votes for, one must correctly understand which party whose interests reflect, not their election slogans, but their real nature.
          The issue of fairness of elections, the use of various kinds of electoral fraud on the part of those in power, "counting of votes" exists today and it can be solved only with strong popular parties capable of controlling this process, and nothing else.

          I agree with you. Political parties promise a lot of things and sweetly say if they were chosen. When they get to power, they forget the promise to the people and on the eve of the next elections include the old record. The media is brainwashed, the necessary candidates are endlessly shown on the screens, it’s possible to continue listing tricks for a long time, it’s important for people to stop believing in the promises of candidates, it’s necessary to judge by what has been done. In Europe, every candidate is studied right from school, they show all the ins and outs. So not clean hand do not pass.
          Quote: vladimirZ
          but for this we must, at least correctly, be politically oriented towards a party that reflects the interests of the majority of the people, and not towards a party that reflects the interests of oligarchs and officials.

          In general, you need to pass a law that allows you to withdraw a candidate or a party that does not fulfill its promises not immediately and so after 2 years. Then parties, politicians and selected candidates will not feel safe, in which case they can be removed after 2 years, and not after 5 years.
    3. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 9 August 2013 16: 02
      +3
      Quote: vladimirZ
      send the Stabilization and Reserve Funds of Russia to the USA and the West, only a direct enemy of Russia could come up with this
      And in order for the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of April 21.04.2006, 229 N XNUMX "On the procedure for managing the funds of the Stabilization Fund of the Russian Federation" to enter into force, it had to be signed by the president, having previously appointed the prime minister and approved the appointment of ministers.
  • alicante11
    alicante11 9 August 2013 12: 30
    +1
    Perhaps only the younger generation is still out of business here. And we just might ask. "What did you do"?
  • valken
    valken 9 August 2013 13: 40
    +1
    put on everything and ruined silently together
  • aleks
    aleks 9 August 2013 15: 44
    +4
    We are also embarrassed to recall that today, on 09.08.1945/12000/XNUMX, we opened military operations against the Kwantung Army of Japan and defeated it in two weeks. We lost over XNUMX soldiers and achieved our goal. The blessed memory of the fallen.
  • Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka 9 August 2013 17: 31
    +5
    Quote: domokl
    .Tear the veins, and revive

    how to tear then work for free? we mean veins, and they are the second privatization for ourselves and, it seems, under the leadership of the one to whom there is no alternative, and how to revive with the oligarchic capitalism, we have such a system, another is not expected. In your opinion, the people are to blame again, but the responsibility of the authorities seems to have nothing to do with it, and I think the bulk of the people decided on the liberals, this power is talking to them in the face of effective managers
    I think you had a cry from the heart, because there are no concrete proposals, continue to tear the veins under their leadership or choose someone to whom there is no alternative
    Quote: domokl
    They bought rusty imported cars

    and my Audi weaving, crocodile, that time still runs when our nines have already rotted in the garbage
    Quote: domokl
    One word is God's chosen country.

    and My retribution is with Me, to give to every man according to his works. Rev 22, 12
    God judges people and not states
  • RoTTor
    RoTTor 9 August 2013 17: 46
    +5
    In order not to turn the tide towards self-destruction, to at least hold back a slide into the abyss, we need an organization - a real political party (see the definition of a concept in a normal Soviet encyclopedia). And in the entire post-Ossetian space there are no real parties at all - there is POPG = party-shaped organized criminal groups, moreover, poorly organized.
    How many Bolsheviks were there in 1917? How many Bolsheviks were in 1941?
    But in 1991, when the Soviet Union did .., there were 18 million "members" in the already amorphous party.
    The Communist Party, like the Communist Party, has been speculating on communist slogans for the third decade, but its leadership is 200% satisfied with the status of “official opposition of His Majesty” with all the benefits and preferences from the “criminal regime”.
    So they have not ripened - there is no party, no leaders ...
    We wait…
  • Normal
    Normal 9 August 2013 21: 31
    +6
    Quote: domokl
    Are you tired of being a ram? They deprived us, they ruined the country, they sold the country ... Ugh .. And where were we at that time? Voted not with our minds, but with our hearts? They bought rusty imported cars? They ate Sneakers, instead of Alyonka’s normal chocolate?
    We profuci country. And no one else

    Is it you, Alexander? "I don't recognize you in makeup"
    Why not ponder why all this happened? Just don't talk about the machinations of the West and the betrayal of Humpbacked. Why did we vote not "with the mind but with the heart"? Not because the rusty foreign car was better than the new Zhiguli which had to wait for years. Is it because "Alenka" lost the advertising war to "snickers" Is it because the people did not believe in the hateful communist propaganda because they saw how the communist propagandists live. The gap between word and deed was too great. As well as now.
    Quote: domokl
    The country needs not to mourn, but to revive ... Tear the veins, and revive. The thieves must be planted, the defense industry must be developed.

    Well, how thieves are planted here. You know me no worse; the more stolen, the softer the punishment. Well, how is it not for a thief to tear his veins?
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 9 August 2013 22: 26
      0
      Quote: Normal
      Not because the rusty foreign car was better than the new Zhiguli which had to wait for years. Is it because "Alenka" lost the advertising war to "Snickers"

      - You either change your flag and you can scold the USSR, or just the good about the USSR, otherwise it is very difficult to understand your position.
      Unfortunately,
      Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
      and my Audi weaving, crocodile, that time still runs when our nines have already rotted in the garbage

      - it is very difficult to overturn, because it is true. I just can't understand why Stalin, perfectly understanding the power of competition, always fundamentally created a competitor for some leader in armaments. If Mil appeared with some half-crazy idea, then Stalin helped Mil to realize himself, but at the same time he set the same task for Kamov, who at that moment did not plan to deal with helicopters ... That's who will explain to me why Stalin, acting so wisely in defense industry, did not act as wisely in the civilian industry? I don’t understand this behavior of Stalin, and this is still the only thing that I still impute to Stalin, not some kind of “repression”, because the repressed deserved the punishment that they were given “triples-courts”, but precisely such a structure of civil industry in which - and this is clearly seen - that the so-called. socialist competition does not work instead of banal competition, and the further, the more it was seen. If at first the Victory was at the level, the GAZ - 21 "Volga" lagged slightly behind, then only then we and the Italians could no longer be pulled to the forefront in the automotive industry. Come on, the automotive industry - the machine tool industry began to lame, not all of them could produce pipes, remember the problems due to pipes in Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod? I respect Stalin, but explain - WHY? WHAT FOR? I can’t forgive this to Stalin! Why, if you are building GAZ, do not immediately build factories and arrange competition between them on the principle of the defense industry? And now, when Tanka-Yotanka and even such an apologist of the USSR as Normal, state the fact of lagging here, then there is nothing to argue ... And I indicated the reasons - they were originally laid down by Stalin, because in the defense industry he decided not to take risks and arrange everything was arranged like a damned bourgeois at home, but in civilian life I decided to RISK. But who allowed? Why was it allowed? The risk was not justified, we are still trying to disentangle the consequences, and it is unlikely that the lag will be overcome in the automotive industry, forget, alas. Each error has a specific name and surname, in this case this error has a name, alas, Stalin Joseph Vissarionovich.
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius 9 August 2013 23: 07
        +6
        Aksakal, I’ll try to answer you. I get the impression that you are a little confusing politics and economics.
        The meaning is in the word "priority". And this word in this situation means limited resources and the need to allocate maximum forces and funds for strategic goals.
        Did the US Have a Revolution and Civil War at the Beginning of the 20th Century? The USA fought with the Nazis on its territory? US imposed Cold War and forced to start an arms race?
        And Stalin just risked nothing, because in the understanding of a normal person, a car is a means of transportation, not luxury. And if after I.V. if leaders of a comparable level were in power, then healthy competition and quality would come to this sector. Sincerely. hi

        PS On 406 Moskvich, my father and I rode across the country - from Leningrad to Omsk. What else is required from the car? Bluetooth and air conditioning?
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 10 August 2013 13: 04
          0
          Quote: Iraclius
          On Moskvich 406, my father and I rode across the country - from Leningrad to Omsk. What else is required from the car? Bluetooth and air conditioning?

          - didn’t ride there. laughing On the same summer with my friends I rolled to Bukhara in the summer of those years - and about the Conder, then you would not seem ridiculous and would not seem a luxury. But this is not so important.
          Quote: Iraclius
          And if after I.V. if leaders of a comparable level were in power, then healthy competition and quality would come to this sector. Yours faithfully
          - I would like to believe in your version. But I have a feeling that it was Stalin who had a little confusion between economics and politics. That is, since the USSR emerged in the wake of the struggle against the capitalist form of management (according to the recent history that we taught in universities in the late Soviet years), it was simply OBLIGED to justify its existence precisely by the way of management, radically different from the capitalist form. So they arranged it by force, they imposed such a form in the civil economy. As for the defense industry, this is too important an area, it is not a sin to apply the best capitalist management technologies. That's all the explanation. This is my IMHO. The only question remains - why did the party bosses decide that the USSR is obliged to someone, especially obliged to prove "the advantages of socialism over communism"? This is the root of all problems, this is the main reason for the collapse of the USSR - ignoring OBJECTIVE economic laws (and in the defense industry they did not ignore it, they were smart enough not to ignore it! am ) in favor of ideological dogmas!
          1. lexe
            lexe 10 August 2013 13: 37
            -1
            All that remains is the question - why did the party bosses decide that the USSR owed something to someone,

            I agree with you aksakal at 100%.
            It was an ideal mirror-friendly enemy of the West of the USSR.
            And our people went to ideological food for the whole world. To support some (Russians are coming!) And to other undeveloped nations, brainwash and fill the vacuum of objective malice against the West with sweet opium.
      2. Normal
        Normal 10 August 2013 00: 36
        +5
        Quote: aksakal
        You or the flag at home change


        And let the price of our efforts be three pennies.
        Change anthem, law, foundation, charter, way of life.
        But the area of ​​the circle is now, forever, forever.
        Stubbornly, everyone is pr-square evil.

        Well, we got to the flag, the tips for changing the nickname do not work, so we'll get to the flag. What else should I change? Country, wife, destiny, way of thinking or site? Perhaps I will tell you a well-known saying; You do not tell me what to do, but I do not tell you where to go. Have you agreed?
        Quote: aksakal
        you can scold the USSR

        No dirt. Not to notice the obvious, not to hush up the existing problems and shortcomings does not mean scolding the USSR. Just as being an enthusiastic propagandist of achievements exclusively does not mean being a patriot.
        Quote: aksakal
        or only good about the USSR

        About the USSR - only the TRUTH, as if you would not like a syrup with honey.
        Quote: aksakal
        otherwise it’s very difficult to understand your position.

        Well, you never tried that. Although there is nothing difficult in this.
        Quote: aksakal
        even such an apologist of the USSR, as Normal, ascertain here the fact of a lag, then there’s nothing to object to ..

        From "such an apologist of the USSR as" Normal "Silver medal of VDNKh (on ave) for the development in production in the late 80s of an industrial unit purchased in Germany in 1936 (he held drawings with a swastika in his hands). could understand how this machine works, but it worked for the Germans, and it worked here only thanks to the golden hands and the bright minds of the assembly fitters.
        So, I know what I can be proud of from the achievements of the USSR, but what is better not to remember.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 10 August 2013 13: 29
          -1
          Quote: Normal
          About the USSR - only the TRUTH, as if you would not like a syrup with honey.
          - what kind of syrup? I saw my shortcomings in the USSR, you - yours.
          The question in the present is the disagreement. If I as a whole consider the foreign policy of Russia adequate, the domestic policy of the country is not at all ideal, but you can live, the general economic, scientific and technological development of the country is bad, but there have been improvements in recent years, then in all three areas you are in ruin and collapse full anal, and constructive criticism here and you do not smell. In today's Russia, everything is extremely bad for you. This would be understandable if you only admired the Soviet Union, but you do not admire the Soviet Union. laughing In other words, your ideal state exists only in your brain, only in your head laughing Do you know how they call it in everyday life? You are boasting that you are a mature man, maybe in the physical sense I agree, but is it time to move away from the way of thinking of a young girl dreaming of a prince when assessing states?
  • tracer
    tracer 10 August 2013 05: 20
    0
    Agree with you. We supported Gorbachev. Our generation. I liked it, because for the first time in the history of the country they announced convicts, a million people who died at construction sites in the north. I myself am from the north, I myself am from the reprimanded family. So I don’t need to talk about it. And the School in the house of my great-grandfather in one of the districts of Samara was until 1976. So here is the brother. Now of course everything is too late ... But .. The sediment remained.
  • igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 13 August 2013 10: 54
    0
    Hi, you got worried, And stop talking about God's election, Russia before the revolution was really backward compared to the ANTANTA countries, We took first place in Europe in child mortality, not to mention almost universal illiteracy of about 80%, All the achievements after the revolution were laid in then this is a terrible time, We must clearly understand that all this is from the age of 17, It was then started moving forward, This is the construction of power plants in the country elimination of illiteracy free medical care for the population Elimination of the shame of the tsarist government of homelessness, the bill went to millions of abandoned children and free higher education industrialization of the country , The goal was very difficult to eliminate the backlog in all areas from developed countries, You can enumerate to infinity these are new universities, etc., In a conversation with a historian, a specialist in a new wave, I was very surprised that he does not believe the facts, For him they are not there taught, This period is only in black, It's a shame of course, but EU whether we are taught in the box patriotism by those who once made a terrible effort not to serve in the army, this speaks for itself,
  • Gari
    Gari 9 August 2013 12: 01
    16
    Quote: Uncle Seryozha
    Sad, comrades ...

    First in the world .................
    The best in the world............ ....
    The most massive in the world ...........
    The first and only in the world .......
    You read and understand even more that
    The First, Only and Best in the World was -SSSR !!!
    1. shtanko.49
      shtanko.49 9 August 2013 16: 50
      +5
      In the USSR we were people, and now we have become slaves to cattle. So modern reality has divided us.
    2. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 9 August 2013 16: 56
      +1
      it was a country that has no analogues in the world until now, such a pace of growth after the war shocked the whole west, GLORY OF THE USSR-USSR our future!
    3. vladek64
      vladek64 10 August 2013 22: 32
      0
      Why 16 emblems?
      There were 15 republics.
  • il grand casino
    il grand casino 9 August 2013 15: 16
    +4
    Quote: Uncle Seryozha
    Alas, they grew up in the 90s and when I once again wonder what they were taught at school, they tell me what.


    You know ... they taught differently. I grew up in a small town ... I studied at the school just in the mid-90s ... and they taught well. Correctly. As my history teacher said. This is how it stands in the new textbook, but this was actually so ... So it all depends on the teachers themselves and, first of all, on the parents
  • SASCHAmIXEEW
    SASCHAmIXEEW 9 August 2013 16: 50
    +1
    all the media and TV are in the hands of the enemies of the Russian people, so that they do not write everything turns into a scruff upside down Who rules RUSSIA-the Jewish-Jewish lobby in the person of Mendel, Dvorkovich, Greft, Chubais and a hedgehog with them For 20 years they built 5 t-50 and 1 on old developments fittings, and smoke for the whole Ivanovo ..... KURSK-amers drowned, the whole world saw a hole ... And CHAPTER .. she drowned !!! SHAME and SHAME for such power !!! CHAIRMAN-ENVIRONOR- under a subscription about not leaving ... He just shoots, give him a gun, they won’t give him a scapegoat, and under an amnesty ...
  • Siberian German
    Siberian German 10 August 2013 06: 01
    +4
    But if you fall and break your leg-liberals blame? It’s our fault - when they shot the parliament in 93, they were silent, even earlier the GKChP had but everyone wanted democracy, and they wanted to remove the one that was marked, and now we are bonfiring for the collapse of the USSR. Think people think
  • maxvet
    maxvet 9 August 2013 09: 49
    +2
    Don’t worry, liberals will fix everything
  • My address
    My address 9 August 2013 10: 26
    +7
    Exactly.
    And friction welding?
    And the method of continuous casting?
    And I’ll give you two advantages, Boris, that will not work anymore.
  • strange and pretty meaningless
    strange and pretty meaningless 9 August 2013 12: 29
    +8
    The world's first satellite of the earth. It was a terrible blow to the prestige and psychology of Americans. And they considered this Soviet success an accident. Now few people remember - and after that the Anglo-Saxons memorized the word - sputnik. Already later replacing it with satellite... Once I read the memoirs of the "king of horrors" S. King - about how the term was introduced into the English language. There was a session in the cinema, the session was interrupted - and the announcer announced the launch of the first satellite by the Russians. The little "king" experienced a sensation of "sticky horror"; he dreamed of terrible Russians in silver spacesuits. This "fuse" was enough for the poor fellow for his entire "creative career." What can we say about the start of Gagarin ... They were afraid, afraid ... and will be afraid.

    I also remembered the memories of the F-16 pilot, who was taken into the air in September 2011 - "... after the first explosions, I had one thought - Russian rockets... "It is in their subcortex - with this they are born, with this they die. Both the elite and the plebs and" supranationals "
    1. alekseinew
      alekseinew 9 August 2013 14: 26
      0
      Quote: abyrvalg
      I also remembered the memories of an F-16 pilot, taken into the air in September 2011 - "... after the first explosions, I had one thought - Russian missiles ..." This is in their subcortex - they are born with this, and die with this ... Both the elite and the plebs and the "supranationals"


      do not read! where can I find?
      1. strange and pretty meaningless
        strange and pretty meaningless 9 August 2013 14: 48
        0
        Yes, I have long seen on the drawer - some kind of documentary ... just that moment crashed.
        Quote: abyrvalg
        in September 2011


        wipe out of course, 2001 September 11th.
        1. alekseinew
          alekseinew 9 August 2013 15: 01
          0
          it is clear, yes, I think they just didn’t change their mind then, Russian missiles, it’s funny, there would be a hole from New Orc, here’s an interesting article http://perevodika.ru/articles/23262.html?sphrase_id=286590
  • Very old
    Very old 9 August 2013 13: 03
    +1
    V. Ovchinnikov did not remember so many of these "damned bastards". I got only 48 points, but I could have all 1000.
  • Aryan
    Aryan 9 August 2013 14: 09
    +2
    but Vidiks did buy epon ... sad
    1. sq
      sq 9 August 2013 14: 31
      +1
      And what did you look at these Vidic? Chewing gum for anxious impotent?
    2. washi
      washi 9 August 2013 14: 41
      +3
      We bought any western production since The TV format is different in the West. To watch Western films (ideological sabotage) and bought Western. Well, at first there was no multi PAL-SEKAM, and even with the release of the cassettes the party members laughed (although the first video cassette recorder was again invented by ours)
    3. Very old
      Very old 9 August 2013 16: 24
      +1
      That's the trouble in this, we squander our own. Tudes - development, minds, ottedov-clothes, consumer goods
  • eplewke
    eplewke 9 August 2013 15: 07
    +8
    Why do you have such an opinion about our younger generation? Not everyone is so "distant". I am 25 years old. and I know perfectly well the whole history of the post-war period and the new Russia. We know perfectly well what the Soviet Navy was like, which was terrifying all NATO, we know perfectly well the panic fear of the Americans about our submarines constantly on duty near the American shores, we know very well that we had the most powerful, combat-ready land army in the world. We know perfectly well that the Soviet military-industrial complex could simply shower the whole world with products! And I am proud of my History, for the history and achievements of our people! And although I knew all the bitterness and losses of the 90s, I am still proud for my country! I love my country! How I respect my president! The Russian mentality is not transmitted by airborne droplets, it is in our blood! And it doesn't matter who is in power now! It's important to just love your homeland ...
    1. Very old
      Very old 9 August 2013 16: 27
      +2
      My young friend! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  • Airman
    Airman 10 August 2013 23: 01
    +1
    Quote: Standard Oil
    Yes, the "damned" communists swept across Russia in a whirlwind, leaving behind schools, factories and hospitals, that's because bastards!

    And most importantly, we WIN THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR!
  • vitek1233
    vitek1233 9 August 2013 09: 37
    12
    Great was the State of the World lost a lot when he died
  • niecke
    niecke 9 August 2013 09: 40
    11
    read and warmed up in my heart! only with the current fooling of the people, none of the young will believe!
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 9 August 2013 09: 45
      +9
      Don't be so sure about that. And among young people there are enough people who know all this. Look for them, communicate with them, and do not speak for all at once.
  • Armata
    Armata 9 August 2013 09: 44
    22
    Well what to say. The author has missed a lot of aspects of the leadership of the USSR (note not Russia, but the USSR) But I agree with him on all 100%. We are the people of creators, but they betrayed us and now we can’t even see the light at the end of the tunnel. We wander in the darkness of promises and fairy tales. It’s a pity that the country and because he lived and worked in those days, the desire to work for our government disappears. If it weren’t for the people around me, I would have quit this job a long time ago.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 9 August 2013 10: 08
      +7
      Zhen. Remember the history of our country. We always had that +/-. Now there are just other realities. But as a rule, Russia has always been and will be.
  • alone
    alone 9 August 2013 09: 44
    12
    after reading all this, it remains only to curse all those who, for green candy wrappers, destroyed such a superpower as the USSR.
  • asadov
    asadov 9 August 2013 09: 45
    12
    I read and cry. That all this and much more that they could have created simply pissed off.
  • rennim
    rennim 9 August 2013 09: 46
    14
    The list contains only a small fraction of what the Soviet people achieved ... But thanks for this to the author.
  • svp67
    svp67 9 August 2013 09: 46
    +9
    During the heyday of the USSR, we really had a lot of things that could be called, without exaggeration, outstanding. It's a pity that at some point our leadership "lost its sense of the earth ..."
    1. anip
      anip 9 August 2013 10: 37
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      The only pity is that at some point our leadership "lost its sense of the earth ..."

      But it gained a sense of where and how to steal as much as possible. Although, being in power, it is not difficult to steal, there are no special talents for this. The main thing is the lack of conscience.
    2. Airman
      Airman 9 August 2013 12: 54
      0
      Quote: svp67
      During the heyday of the USSR, we really had a lot of things that could be called, without exaggeration, outstanding. It's a pity that at some point our leadership "lost its sense of the earth ..."

      The transition to "crap" is a giant leap back, and now we and our children will have to take steps to restore the STATE, and this is a difficult and long way.
    3. Very old
      Very old 9 August 2013 16: 31
      0
      Sergei, they broke away from reality, lived in the sky-high Kremlin heights. Life passed by the "hand of the drivers"
  • Grenz
    Grenz 9 August 2013 09: 51
    17
    You can add a lot of things. Here is just one of the many posters.
    Vitaliy! Having said A, it is necessary to speak clearly of B.
    The country we have lost and "Technical achievements that we will never reach"
    How many years have passed in a new capacity. And they created something worthwhile from the above list.
    Tanks, planes, ships - so far only advertising (it is often false) in practice, this technique has not shown itself. 08.08.08 was decided by Soviet technology.
    Everything else is negative. Minus plants, minus construction sites etc.
    Only GAZPROM !!! The great public treasure of deflating the good of the people for the sake of the capitalists.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 9 August 2013 15: 14
      +7
      Quote: grenz
      How many years have passed in a new capacity. And they created something worthwhile from the above list.
      After the First World War and the Civil War, Russia lay in ruin, over twenty years the communists from a backward and dependent country built a powerful state that defeated the strongest enemy - Nazi Germany and provided decisive assistance in the defeat of Japan. Without outside help, the country was revived again after a terrible war and made a nuclear superpower. What have been achieved in 22 years of new capitalism? Thieves and bandits rewrite laws for themselves, and from the "achievements" increase utility bills and food prices. If you can't pay, die. On the First Channel they ask to transfer money to help the child for the operation ... The state does not want to bother itself with anything, shifting all the problems to its people, only pay taxes. The army and navy lives on the safety margin of the Soviet Union, and we still go to Soviet developments. Agriculture, industry, science, like a pogrom after a lost war, dependence and bondage. Capitalism is immoral in its essence, without a good bridle it is already criminal, what's next, when the plot is MONEY everywhere? Without the return of the ideas of socialism, people's power, it is hard to believe that the bourgeoisie with their bad guys will revive a great country.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 9 August 2013 17: 16
        +7
        ____________________________________________
  • NOMADE
    NOMADE 9 August 2013 09: 53
    +5
    Great article! Thanks to the author.
    Also a huge plus for him and for:
    - "23. Mastering the serial production of multilayer coiled pipes for high-pressure gas pipelines, the butt welding of which during installation in the field is now carried out according to the method proposed by the author of this article."
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 9 August 2013 22: 51
      0
      Quote: NOMADE
      Also a huge plus for him and for:
      - "23. Mastering the serial production of multilayer coiled pipes for high-pressure gas pipelines, the butt welding of which during installation in the field is now carried out according to the method proposed by the author of this article."
      Unfortunately, for high-pressure gas pipelines, as a rule, seamless pipes made of corrosion-resistant steel are used. At the base, at the welding station, three pipes were welded, called a whip, 27 m. length, diameter 1420mm. welded by an American machine gun. Sam participated in the laying of Urengoy-Uzhgorod, drove these lashes on the highway. The pipes were Japanese.
  • La hire
    La hire 9 August 2013 09: 56
    15
    I remember reading somewhere how Eisenhower spoke of the Moskvich-407 that "I would like to have him on his ranch after his retirement." And I also remember that when Henry Ford II (the grandson of the same one) came to Moscow at the plant named after I. Likhachev in 1970, he liked the ZIL-118 minibus so much that he offered to buy out the documentation and a license in order to produce it in the USA under the Ford brand. Of course, he was refused.
    The USSR was a super-retarded superpower, oh yeah laughing
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 9 August 2013 17: 29
      +3
      The USSR was never backward, it was simply not yet surveyed, the country was huge, it was not until the arms reached that time. Now I read that they’re stepping into our young people, they take the hell out of it, it turns out that Wright was the first to fly on a plane 30 years before they were invented Mazhaysky, the first radio Popov, the first TV Zvarykin can’t be counted ... Putin, where is the true HISTORY ABOUT RUSSIA ... The authorities are not the ones who stand all the time, but Avorkovichs with Chubais ... Drive in the back ... THROUGH THE PEOPLE'S COURT ... Yu
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 9 August 2013 17: 52
        +4
        Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
        Putin is where the true story of Russia ...







  • pensioner
    pensioner 9 August 2013 10: 00
    +9
    There were so many advances in science and technology that could not be counted. Until now, in many respects we have climbed out on the Soviet backlog. I would definitely include the Kola superdeep well in this list. Whoever in the world has not tried to do something like this! Nobody succeeded! And the numerous aviation records of the USSR are generally a legend! The idea of ​​the ISS without the Soviet experience in the creation and operation of orbital stations would generally be impracticable. At least 50 years old.
    But "The world's first jet passenger liner" - I'm not sure. Like the English Comet was. The truth did not fly long. After several disasters, flights were stopped.
    1. erg
      erg 9 August 2013 10: 48
      +6
      That's right, Comet. The first serial in 1951. In addition, the Comet was originally designed as a passenger airliner. But it didn’t fly for long. The catastrophe occurred due to depressurization of the cockpit at the point of attachment of the porthole in the ceiling of the pilot's cabin. The plane fell into the sea, because for a very long time they found out the cause of the disaster. The flights have stopped. Tu-104 - the first production aircraft in 1955. Boeing 707 - the first experimental production in 1954. Actual mass production since 1958. So, for some time the USSR was the only country operating a serial jet passenger airliner. By the way, according to the results of the Comet disaster, they finally abandoned the rectangular portholes on airplanes, either round or oval.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 9 August 2013 10: 53
        0
        Quote: erg
        in the place of attachment of the porthole in the ceiling of the pilot's cabin.
        Not in the passenger compartment? It seems that they did it there to add to the passengers the impressions of the flight.
        Quote: erg
        By the way, according to the results of the Comet disaster, they finally abandoned the rectangular portholes on airplanes, either round or oval.
        - I also remember. In the 70s, whether in TM or in MK (not to be confused with the Moscow coms.), The article was about a comet. from there I remember something. But of course I forgot thoroughly. And thanks a lot for the information !!
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 9 August 2013 17: 45
      +2
      with the Tu-144, it’s not so simple, I saw the clip here (it’s not for me to judge!) the crew pumped fuel from tank to tank for saving fuel, but the tanks in the wings didn’t grow together ... imbalance ... and another French PHANTOM filming the work of the front plumage, and also could be the cause of the disaster. Now they forgot about this for a long time .. And this is our pride !!!
  • Ustas
    Ustas 9 August 2013 10: 00
    +8
    That is, the Soviet political system was an order of magnitude more efficient than the capitalist

    I will say more, the future is in such a system. Time will pass and future generations will realize this and will return to the USSR.
  • sq
    sq 9 August 2013 10: 01
    +7
    As long as WE remember this, we have a FUTURE.
    And for this future to come, it’s necessary to work, whoever can, even one piece of cleaned paper on the street - already a contribution to this future, the brains of young people cleared of dirt - this is the very construction of the future, and even a stinky stained mouth, splashing with mud - this is the foundation .
  • hrych
    hrych 9 August 2013 10: 02
    +1
    Of course, the Author is a plus, but under Tsar-Father they created: Mendeleev, without a table, which is different from the splitting of an atom's nucleus, in general civilization would have followed a different path; Tsiolkovsky is the father of all astronautics and rocket science; school Zhukovsky, chicks, which Tupolev and Sikorsky, who is the father of the helicopter, but at the dawn of aircraft construction, without modesty, created heavy bomb carriers of the "Ilya Muromets" type. Fedorov's first assault rifle, under the "intermediate" cartridge, his correctness was confirmed by two world wars. About medicine, it is better to be silent: Pirogov, Mechnikov, Sechenov, Pavlov ... to this day, pressure is measured with the Korotkov apparatus. Yablochkov - a light bulb, Slavyanov - electric arc welding, Popov - radio, Jacobi - the first electric motor, Zvorykin created television when he was a student of Rosing. In 1907, Boris Lvovich Rosing, a professor at the St. Petersburg Institute of Technology, filed an application for the invention "Method of electrical transmission of images over a distance", proving the possibility of using a cathode ray tube to convert an electrical signal into points of a visible image. The beam was swept in the tube by magnetic fields. The wireless transmission of the explosion energy over a distance by the Filippovs was earlier than Tesla, without Teslin's huge high-frequency devices and lost to civilization. Chizhevsky, Vernadsky, etc., etc.
    Zvorykin, Sikorsky fled from the Bolsheviks and created their brilliant creations in the cap. countries, a bunch of failed geniuses of the Russian scientific school were shot by the Trotskyists, many simply starved to death. Korolev, Glushko hails from sharashka, whom they miraculously saved from the execution of the Trotskyists.
    I’m afraid that if it weren’t for the Soviet system, then Russian tourists on vimaan would already admire the beauty of the outskirts of Saturn.
    1. anip
      anip 9 August 2013 10: 43
      10
      Quote: hrych
      I’m afraid that if it weren’t for the Soviet system, then Russian tourists on vimaan would already admire the beauty of the outskirts of Saturn.

      I’m afraid if it weren’t for the Soviet system, then 90% of the population would be humped by 10% for pennies. However, now the annoying omission of the Soviet system is slowly being eliminated: most work for pennies for uncles of PU, ME, Deripasok, Abramovich, etc.
      By the way, there has been no Soviet system since 1991, but there are something of Russian tourists watching
      Quote: hrych
      the beauties of the outskirts of Saturn.

      not visible.
      1. hrych
        hrych 9 August 2013 11: 06
        +6
        It’s just that if it weren’t for the revolution, then television was not done by Zvorykin in America, but by Rosing in St. Petersburg, in the 18th year and so on in all respects of the direction of science and technology. With the revolution in Russia, civilization practically stopped, only the surge showed the United States, when starving Russian scientists were lured there and stole our patents, which became ownerless. Until 17, big business was national, but unlike the corty deripassi, the Tretyakov, Mamontov, Bakhrushin, Morozov and others like them, they were distinguished by patronage and support of scientists, artists and others who were not of this world. The fact that the Soviet system has not existed since the year 91 is the fault of the system itself, when such filths as Khrushchev and Gorbachev made a career in power. We owe all the achievements of the Soviet system to the jerk of Stalin, which of course was achieved at a heavy price, but then we see Khrushchev, who is planting corn in the Urals, cutting ships and planes, stagnation and a star. And the Soviet system, although it existed for only 70 years, was never single, but there were different cycles of different incomprehensible systems in which the Russian people only toiled: revolution, Trotskyist genocide, devastation, NEP, Mochilovo Trotskyites, war, ruin, Khrushchev vomit, stagnation , perestroika and the zoo., if only they lived more or less calmly in an era of stagnation and then not for long.
        1. anip
          anip 9 August 2013 12: 19
          +5
          Quote: hrych
          Until 17, large-scale business was national, but unlike the corty deripassa, the Tretyakov, Mamontov, Bakhrushin, Morozov and others like them, they were distinguished by their patronage and support of scientists, artists and others who were not of this world.

          And at the same time, ordinary people worked in difficult conditions for 10-12 hours a day for the same patrons.

          Quote: hrych
          It’s just that if it weren’t for the revolution, then television would be made not by Zvorykin in America, but by Rosing in St. Petersburg, in the 18th year

          Someone's? Why is that? If on May 9, 1911, Rosing achieved the transmission and reception of moving figures, this does not mean that he would be able to make television. What prevented the ancient Greeks from making a ship, because they had a steam balloon of Heron? And until 1931, Rosing was the chairman of the Yekaterinburg Physics and Mathematics Society, published articles. In 1931 they arrested, in 1932 they released. Those. he even had time before 1931.
          And somehow the first satellite into space did not prevent the launch of the Soviet system, why would it?

          The fact that the Soviet system has not existed since the year 91 is the fault of the system itself, when such filths as Khrushchev and Gorbachev made a career in power.

          That is yes, comrade Stalin overlooked Khrushchev.

          Yes, and the Soviet system, although it lasted only 70 years, was never single, but there were different cycles of different incomprehensible systems in which the Russian people only toiled

          Well, yes, until 1917, the Russian people definitely bathed in luxury. This can be read in the classics of Russian literature, for example, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Chekhov, etc.
          And now, for 22 years now, the Soviet system has not existed, but 80% of the people do not have something particularly good life, and the USSR is to blame for this.
          It is interesting, and why would the Bolsheviks win, why did the people follow them? Looks like a good life under the king and temporary?

          ...
          Yes, and what about the Russian tourists watching
          Quote: hrych
          the beauties of the outskirts of Saturn
          ?
          1. hrych
            hrych 9 August 2013 12: 46
            +3
            Now, if we take the story of Rosing as an example of the creation of television - one of the achievements of human civilization, then everything is very simple, a person (of course ingenious) did everything gradually and in stages, in 1907 he developed and tented the principle of transmission, in 1911 he transmitted the first image. The next stage is the creation of television itself, but war and revolution intervened in the schedule. Wouldn't the royal court give money, even though it financed its activities, in the worst case, sponsors would have funded, there were no fools, and such an invention would have paid off at least. But we have Rosing’s flight from St. Petersburg, starvation and arrest in the 31st Trotskyists and death in the 33rd (not in the 37th, when the Trotskyites were wetted), not from a hemorrhage, not from a head injury. When his pupil Zvorykin in the 33rd makes an iconoscope with a fluent Russian scientist Svarnov, the process began, but not with us. That's the whole telling story when his invention and his apprentices ended up in America and only essentially repeated his deeds after dozens of years in which he starved and died. This is the real Soviet power. Well, the Bolsheviks really forgot what it was, to ask the people who supposedly followed them. There was a stupid coup, and in the 91st nobody ran away to save the Soviet regime. And from the very beginning to the very end there were party members (not to be confused with the patricians) with their nonsense, when there were separate rations, cars, cottages with servants, trips to foreign countries, when the heroes of social labor could get a privilege in the queue for acquiring an eared Cossack. And then there was Yeltsin, Gaidar and other Timurovschina with his team, typical hereditary Bolsheviks, so the country with this rotten system fell.
            Regarding television, at least twenty years from its creation simply fell out, of course, thanks to the Soviet government. If the Royal Union, as the pinnacle of the Stalinist leap, so it flies 50 years and nothing new has been created either in stagnation or in the era of EBN. True, in the revolution of the 91st, the states were enriched again, if not for our RD-180, they would have remained completely without astronautics, and not just manned.
            1. SASCHAmIXEEW
              SASCHAmIXEEW 9 August 2013 18: 19
              -1
              It was the power of the Jewish councils, and now they are in power, which the Jews have been silent about for a long time, and we are alive because if they fall the first victim of the RUSSIAN RIOT, and then ARMAGEDON !!!!
        2. dmb
          dmb 9 August 2013 13: 00
          -3
          "Mochilovo Trotskyists". You are good. Listen, do you seriously think that it was not the system built by wise Stalin that drove Korolev and Tupolev into sharashki, but Yezhov and Abakumov were Trotskyists? I feel sorry for you. You are clearly trying to pass off wishful thinking, because anyone who knows Russian history in the slightest degree will simply laugh at you and be right. No less amused and your phrase "... who are not of this world." Judging by it, you have from this world, only the current hustlers. On the question of "burr". They were not measured, surrounded by the favorite of the sovereign-emperor Rasputin, and they arranged their gesheft through him regularly. So everyone understands your commitment to the monarchy, but you do not give reasons to agree with you.
          1. hrych
            hrych 9 August 2013 13: 24
            +4
            Stalin really seized power only in the year 37, when he massively did away with the Bolsheviks, first of all eliminating Yekhud and Tukhachevsky with the Yakirs, Ubarevichs, etc., the most influential people who have real power, i.e. commanding institutions of violence.
            1. dmb
              dmb 9 August 2013 19: 16
              -2
              There are only two options: either you entertain yourself and others like you in this peculiar way, or you seriously intend to write an "alternative history", but unlike Fomenko and Nosovsky, who try to substantiate it at least with mathematics, write it based on what you read from illiterate commentators, alas, numerous on this site. So are Korolev and Tupolev Trotskyists after all? According to your logic, yes, because Tupolev was arrested in September 1937, and Korolev in general in 38. Or was Yezhov a Trotskyist who was personally appointed to his post by Stalin? You then somehow justified. otherwise you think they are.
              1. hrych
                hrych 10 August 2013 15: 33
                +1
                What are you talking about if Khrushchev was an ardent Trotskyist and by the way it’s not a secret and if you need to take an interest in it, there are materials, though you have denied this ideology three times, but in your heart you have remained burnt rubbish and have spoiled enough, just because of it our the unspoken union republic of the PRC, has become our worst enemy, worthy of a stake.

                In the 37th it was mochilovo and the question was "Either those or those." They were looking for all those involved in the conspiracy, Korolev is no exception, and he had compromising connections a priori and there is nothing to be surprised at. That's just fate, that the Queen, that Tupolev was decided by Stalin, saving their lives, releasing them, entrusting the most important state affairs and was not mistaken.
                1. dmb
                  dmb 10 August 2013 19: 15
                  -1
                  Alas, illiteracy. A priori is written with "and". This time. Further, taking advantage of your courtesy, I ask you to bring "materials from Trotskyism," True, before that we had no talk of Khrushchev. You, then, argued that in 1937 began "the Trotskyists' mochilov," I also asked you to provide evidence of such activities of Korolev and Tupolev. But if you have such, I am grateful to you in advance. At the same time, maybe you can clarify how the ideas of Trotsky and Khrushchev are similar, who specifically (except for you) considered the PRC an "unspoken union republic", and why Khrushchev. having come to power did not bring them to life?
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 11 August 2013 12: 07
                    +2
                    Once switched to insults about literacy, my friend, then you go to fuck. If there is a desire, please, check all my mistakes. For such interlocutors, as you take advantage of the capabilities of this site, in the form of adding to the black list, because I have already received my certification grades for literacy, and I don’t need any grades from all cranks.
                    For you, Khrushchev lovers, L. M. Kaganovich recalled: “I put it forward. I thought he was capable. But he was a Trotskyist. And I reported to Stalin that he was a Trotskyist. I spoke when they chose him at MK. Stalin asked: “And now how?” I say: “He is fighting the Trotskyists. Actively speaking. Sincerely fighting. " Stalin then: “You will speak at the conference on behalf of the Central Committee that the Central Committee trusts him” ”[5].
                    There is a tugament about the Queen
                  2. hrych
                    hrych 11 August 2013 12: 40
                    +2
                    I apologize for the emotions, I removed it from the blacklist, only because of "freedom of speech".
                    According to Tupolev http://www.svoim.info/201325/?25_6_1

                    Interrogation Protocol of the arrested Sidora Alexander Fedoseevich

                    Quote:

                    Then, on arrival in Moscow, Whistler suggested that I come to the head of the Secretariat of the People’s Commissariat of Industry Semushkin, from whom I would get the necessary contacts for further anti-Soviet work in Moscow.

                    Question: Did you contact Semushkin?

                    Answer: In August 1936, I visited Semushkin in the People's Commissariat of Industry, saying that I had an assignment from the Whistler to him.

                    Semushkin responded that he had been warned about me by Whistler, and offered to receive all the necessary instructions from Tupolev, who at that time worked as chief engineer of the aviation Glavk of the People’s Commissariat for Industry.

                    Semushkin warned that Tupolev himself would call me when this was necessary.

                    Question: Did your meeting with Tupolev take place?

                    Answer: Yes, in November or December 1936, I was summoned by Tupolev to his office.

                    Tupolev suggested on his behalf to contact the chief engineer of the plant N1 Shikunov Evgraf Porfirovich, saying that the latter will be warned about the need to contact me all the work at the plant.

                    At the end of the same year, 1936, I established contact with Shikunov, together with whom I carried out wrecking work at plant No. 1, aimed at disrupting the supply of the Red Army with modern types of combat aircraft.

                    Question: What was your wrecking job at plant N1?

                    Answer: Shikunov and I defended the issue of the outdated Erzet aircraft design before the authorities and sabotaged the development of the production of new types of military vehicles.
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                  4. hrych
                    hrych 11 August 2013 13: 56
                    +2
                    Quote: dmb
                    Alas, illiteracy. A priori is written with "and". This time. Further, using your kindness, I ask you to bring "materials from Trotskyism"

                    By the way, since we are talking about illiteracy, it is better to be mistaken in the word "a priori" than to write "materials from Trotskyism." It's like: "In someone else's eye, the mote is large, you don't notice the log in your point." Sorry, in the ocean.
                    1. dmb
                      dmb 11 August 2013 15: 06
                      -1
                      Well, just lovely. And the most important thing is that the assessment of the Russian Khrushchev is given by the "burly" Kaganovich. (Adjectives exclusively with your light hand). By the way, like you, he does not particularly substantiate his assessments, but for some reason Stalin believes them. But nevertheless he appoints Khrushchev to one of the leading posts in the party and state. Here, either Stalin is not as brilliant as is commonly believed in your circles, or Kaganovich "saw the light" after Khrushchev's resignation. Further. By and large, you have not answered any of my questions. For apparently you do not know what Trotskyism is, and therefore cannot apply it to Khrushchev's activities. The documents you cited, well, do not in any way indicate that Korolev and Tupolev were such. It's like I call you a CIA agent or a Zionist.
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 11 August 2013 15: 47
                        +2
                        Firstly, when Koganovich says something to Stalin, then probably at least "responsible for the market" and with his own head. Secondly, I will not polymerize with you if the extract from the protocol does not tell you anything. What the hell do you want more? On your part, apart from comparisons with Fomenko, there is generally emptiness. Prove the opposite, provide arguments and facts, and I agree with you.
                        You can argue about the Trotskyists with Tolik Wasserman, if you want
                        http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_20233/
                        Interesting material mentions Tupolev, another scoundrel ...
                        http://www.telenir.net/istorija/berija_luchshii_menedzher_xx_veka/p1.php
                      2. dmb
                        dmb 11 August 2013 19: 14
                        -1
                        "polemicize". So it will be in Russian. You are trying to present yourself as a Russian patriot, but you don’t know your native language and, what is most terrible, you are also proud of it. In one thing, you are right, controversy is possible between people who doubt their own righteousness and trying to find the truth. Apparently, you know it from birth, so you don't bother yourself looking for it. Perhaps you are right about ending the dialogue. Remain fully confident that Korolev and Tupolev are Trotskyists.
                      3. hrych
                        hrych 17 August 2013 00: 34
                        +2
                        My colleague, if I make mistakes, it’s not because I’m very illiterate, but firstly I don’t check that I’ve blinded, and secondly I don’t need it, because we, in particular, are not at the philological forum. Engaging in polemics on certain topics and finding fault with spelling is at least not ethical. Especially, as I understand it, your arguments are not just thin, but absent, so you have to get to the bottom of errors.
    2. washi
      washi 9 August 2013 14: 46
      +3
      What are the key enterprises under 17 that were Russian and not foreign under our guise.
      What Russian inventions were adopted by the tsarist government. Trinkler (the real inventor of the Diesel engine - exhausted to compete)
      And they lived, albeit very hard (because of the consequences of wars, devastation, "party" and national "princelings" under Stalin. There was a sense, there was a breakthrough in the name of the Country, in the name of the Future. And the rest of the time SURVIVED. There is a People, there is there is no means - there is no end, and without a PURPOSE WE are bent.
      1. hrych
        hrych 9 August 2013 14: 49
        +1
        Putilovsky factories.
        1. washi
          washi 9 August 2013 15: 04
          0
          For the whole of millions of Russia and only one enterprise, with pro-Western, and driven into debt, after the death of Putilov, production. It's funny ..
          This is before the Romanovs. We exported military technology to the west.
          1. hrych
            hrych 10 August 2013 16: 09
            +2
            Listen, Vasya, in the Urals, plants built by the Stroganovs and Demidovs still smoke the sky. Castles, things were taken by Granpri at the Paris exhibition, about the Zlatoust blades, you probably know about which Zolinger crumbled. Tula factories are not casual Leskov registered. One river fleet was the most modern for parachiders, they already worked on diesel engines, although only the wheels were spied on the Mississippi.

            Let us return to the 1900 World's Fair in Paris, during which the Russian exposition received 1 awards: 589 highest, 212 gold medals, 370 silver, 436 bronze and 347 honorary reviews. [224]

            The gold medal of the exhibition by a special committee led by Gustav Eiffel was awarded to Russian engineer Lavr Proskuryakov for the Krasnoyarsk railway bridge. The exposition of the Ministry of Railways on the project of the artist Pyasetsky dedicated to the Trans-Siberian Railway - the Trans-Siberian Railway Panorama - was very impressive. The audience passed into cars with simulated train movements, from which they could enjoy Russian landscapes changing with the help of a special mechanism. At the end of the "path", visitors went through the door from the back and got into the Chinese department. This attraction was awarded the highest award of the Grand Prix. [5] The Grand Prix prize was also awarded to a Mertsalov palm forged from a rail. [6] The Minusinsk Museum of Local Lore was awarded a silver medal.
            The exhibition’s Crystal Grand Prix and a large gold medal were received by the cast iron pavilion of the Kyshtym mountain district of the Kasli factory, created by the architect-artist E. E. Baumgarten. [7] [8]
            The Grand Prix award was also received by the “Lysvensky Blast and Hammer of His Excellency Prince Boris Grigoryevich Shakhovsky, the wife of his Princess Varvara Alexandrovna Plant” for their products - roofing iron, which still covers the domes of Notre Dame Cathedral and the British Parliament.

            The press enthusiastically spoke about the Russian department. As a result of the exhibition, the French newspaper Liberte wrote: [5]
            We are still influenced by a sense of surprise and admiration experienced by us when visiting the Russian department. For a few years, Russian industry and trade have adopted such a development that amazes all those who have the opportunity to comprehend the concept of the path traveled in such a short time. This development is so large that it leads to a lot of thought.

            Something like this, but it took 113 years and some ungrateful descendants of the Empire to accept except as an agrarian country, although Russia didn’t sell oil and gas, but really was a grain monopolist and not only, for some reason the USSR did not provide itself with bread he could beg for oil from sworn states.

            To Stalin’s jerk, when we rushed from the plow into space and hit the atom, we owe absolutely fundamental tsarist science, and the people who studied under Tsar-Batyushka and their students made a jerk.

            I will ask you to remember this.
  • SASCHAmIXEEW
    SASCHAmIXEEW 9 August 2013 18: 09
    +3
    Anip-do not ernichay, the country is huge and everywhere lived differently !!! And speaking of life, then we lived better and sat at work, and by slander and we felt like a people, we felt like Azerbaijan, Armenians, Uzbeks as people. And now you’ll come to the social security service, you’re a piece of paper ... and that’s it.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 9 August 2013 12: 58
    +6
    hrych
    Zvorykin, Sikorsky fled from the Bolsheviks and created their brilliant creations in the cap. countries, a bunch of failed geniuses of the Russian scientific school were shot by the Trotskyists, many simply starved to death. Korolev, Glushko hails from sharashka, whom they miraculously saved from the execution of the Trotskyists.
    I’m afraid that if it weren’t for the Soviet system, then Russian tourists on vimaan would already admire the beauty of the outskirts of Saturn



    In the Russian Empire, of course, there were talented scientists, engineers, designers, surgeons, chemists, etc. But how many were there, how many workers and peasants, who made up 95% of the population, were able to get an education and realize their talents?
    Yes, Russia was never meager and poor in talents, and before the accession of the Romanovs, it was far ahead of the West in scientific and technological development.
    How many talents were ruined by serfdom introduced by the Romanovs?
    How many talents were killed in senseless wars for the interests of the Habsburgs and Hohenzollerns, Romanov’s relatives over 300 years?
    Where would Russia be if not for the gang of the Roman Germans, 300 years of slowing its development and keeping the people in slavery?
    In the USSR there were thousands of Mendeleevs, Zvorykins, Sikorsky, Pirogovs, millions of talented engineers, designers, geologists, surgeons, chemists who were educated through the abolition of the estates and the liberation of the people from parasites.
    For the two Stalinist five-year plans, the USSR has advanced much more than 300 years of the Romanov rule. Here is another grand achievement of the USSR.
    1. hrych
      hrych 9 August 2013 13: 19
      +4
      There were no thousands of Mendeleevs in the USSR, there was not a single Mendeleev, because Mendeleev was alone in the whole world and all times. Unfortunately, there were no truly outstanding scientists who turned the universe in the USSR, but a lot under the Tsar, I listed many. Even Kurchatov and Korolev, although geniuses, only carried out research, in particular, Tsiolkovsky, who in his works calculated everything about space flight.
      The first Romanovs were engaged in revolutions when the development of society goes from falling into an abyss and, if lucky, it flies up to a peak. The rest of the time, the 300-year rule of the Romanovs was evolutionary and progressive, when the huge potential of science and art accumulated towards its end. All revolutions (but not in science) are great disgust, the result of which is a sea of ​​blood and devastation. For 70 years, Soviet power has been a series of continuous revolutionary upheavals, including Khrushchev thaw, etc., and ending with the last EBN.
      1. washi
        washi 9 August 2013 15: 13
        +6
         Corsair5912 (2)  Today, 12:58 ↑
        hrych
        Zvorykin, Sikorsky fled from the Bolsheviks and created their brilliant creations in the cap. countries, a bunch of failed geniuses of the Russian scientific school were shot by the Trotskyists, many simply starved to death. Korolev, Glushko hails from sharashka, whom they miraculously saved from the execution of the Trotskyists.
        I’m afraid that if it weren’t for the Soviet system, then Russian tourists on vimaan would already admire the beauty of the outskirts of Saturn
        In the Russian Empire, of course, there were talented scientists, engineers, designers, surgeons, chemists, etc. But how many were there, how many workers and peasants, who made up 95% of the population, were able to get an education and realize their talents?
        Yes, Russia was never meager and poor in talents, and before the accession of the Romanovs, it was far ahead of the West in scientific and technological development.
        How many talents were ruined by serfdom introduced by the Romanovs?
        How many talents were killed in senseless wars for the interests of the Habsburgs and Hohenzollerns, Romanov’s relatives over 300 years?
        Where would Russia be if not for the gang of the Roman Germans, 300 years of slowing its development and keeping the people in slavery?
        In the USSR there were thousands of Mendeleevs, Zvorykins, Sikorsky, Pirogovs, millions of talented engineers, designers, geologists, surgeons, chemists who were educated through the abolition of the estates and the liberation of the people from parasites.
        For the two Stalinist five-year plans, the USSR has advanced much more than 300 years of the Romanov rule. Here is another grand achievement of the USSR.

        I agree with both arms and legs.
        There were three people coming to power and science - Ivan 4 the Terrible, Peter 1 Dushegub, Joseph 1 (According to the liberal and Hitler ideology - The Beast)
        I want 4 advents: Vladimir 1 - the punisher
        1. hrych
          hrych 10 August 2013 16: 37
          +1
          I’ll tell you a secret, but in the USSR 95% remained workers and peasants and did not realize their talents, only the nobles were killed, among whom Tsialkovsky might have been, from the nobles. Mendeleev’s father, who was priests, and his mother, merchants and industrialists, would be soaked by an anti-Bolshevik element in all categories. But according to my concepts, if it were not for these two people who turned the world around, then there would not have been all the achievements of the 20th century. As a chemist, an unfinished one, I’ll tell you that all transuranic elements whose nuclear fission gave nuclear energy were first predicted by the table of Comrade Mendeleev, who placed uranium at the end of his table, and only then were found or synthesized. I’ll rather believe that the failed creator of vimanas (if he made a reservation) was killed or starved by the Bolsheviks, because he was a Cossack, a priest’s son, a nobleman, a merchant’s wife or from officer children, or even worse, from the professor’s family.
      2. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 9 August 2013 15: 27
        +5
        Quote: hrych
        There were no thousands of Mendeleevs in the USSR, there was not a single Mendeleev, because Mendeleev was alone in the whole world and all times. Unfortunately, there were no truly outstanding scientists who turned the universe in the USSR, but a lot under the Tsar, I listed many. Even Kurchatov and Korolev, although geniuses, only carried out research, in particular, Tsiolkovsky, who in his works calculated everything about space flight.

        In the USSR there were thousands of talented chemists, less well-known than Mendeleev, but no less significant for the country. It was they who created the chemical and metallurgical industry of the USSR, and not Mendeleev.
        They created materials for the civilian and military industries, ore dressing technologies, and the production of ultrapure metals and precision alloys; they created armor for Soviet tanks, explosives for shells, and fuel for rockets.
        Among them were those born before 1917 and after 1917, but all had one homeland.
        If I was born in the USSR, this does not mean that the Russian Federation is a foreign country for me. Modes are changing, and the Fatherland is invariable.
        Yes, Zvorykin, Sikorsky and other dirty skins escaped abroad for a bold piece, having stolen what belonged to Russia, but in Russia there were a thousand times more talent left than they had fled abroad.
        The USSR, which was ravaged by a decade of wars, did not have as much money for investment as the United States, which had grown fat from the blood of others in the First World War, lured the Yankees of skins and scum.
        After the war, scientists and engineers left Western Europe to the United States hundreds of times more than they left Russia, due to which the poor states rose.
      3. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 9 August 2013 15: 43
        0
        Quote: hrych
        The first Romanovs were engaged in revolutions when the development of society goes from falling into an abyss and, if lucky, it flies up to a peak. The rest of the time, the 300-year rule of the Romanovs was evolutionary and progressive, when the huge potential of science and art accumulated towards its end. All revolutions (but not in science) are great disgust, the result of which is a sea of ​​blood and devastation. For 70 years, Soviet power has been a series of continuous revolutionary upheavals, including Khrushchev thaw, etc., and ending with the last EBN.

        The Romanovs began with bloody reprisals against the Russian people, protesting against serfdom, against Nikon's church reform, and not with revolutions.
        Enormous forces of the people were spent on wars with the Swedes, Ottomans, Poles, etc., in order to liberate the occupied Russians and seize foreign lands.
        As it turned out all for nothing. The Russian Federation is now within the borders of the times of Ivan the Terrible, here you have evolutionary development.
        In the USSR after 1917 there were no revolutions, everything fit into the standard scheme of all revolutions, in stages:
        1. The coup (1917 g)
        2. Terror
        3. Stagnation
        4. Restoration (1991).
        1. EwgenyZ
          EwgenyZ 9 August 2013 17: 06
          +2
          The western border of Russia almost point to point coincides with the border of the RSFSR in the Brest Peace, the western border of the Republic of Ingushetia was a trap. And who made the Brest Peace, I think, you do not need to remind.
          1. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 9 August 2013 20: 25
            +1
            Quote: EwgenyZ
            The western border of Russia almost point to point coincides with the border of the RSFSR in the Brest Peace, the western border of the Republic of Ingushetia was a trap. And who made the Brest Peace, I think, you do not need to remind.

            I don’t understand, are you lying or do not really know? Here are the conditions of the Brest Peace:
            The Privislin provinces, provinces with a predominantly Belarusian population, the Estland, Courland and Livonia provinces, and the Grand Duchy of Finland were torn away from Russia. Most of these territories were to become German protectorates or become part of Germany. Russia also pledged to recognize the independence of Ukraine in the person of the government of the UPR.
            In the Caucasus, Russia was inferior to the Kars region and the Batumi region.
            The Soviet government ended the war with the Ukrainian Central Council (Rada) of the Ukrainian People's Republic and made peace with it.

            On December 22, 1917 (January 4, 1918), German Chancellor G. von Goertling said in his speech in the Reichstag that a delegation of the Ukrainian Central Council had arrived in Brest-Litovsk. Germany agreed to negotiate with the Ukrainian delegation, hoping to use this as a lever against Soviet Russia
            January 27 (February 9), 1918, the Central Powers signed a separate peace treaty with a delegation of the Central Rada of the Ukrainian People’s Republic.
            The Brest Peace Treaty is a separate peace treaty signed on March 3, 1918 in Brest-Litovsk by representatives of Soviet Russia, on the one hand, and the Central Powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Turkey and Bulgaria), on the other

            Ukrainian nationalists hit Russia in the back, they themselves allowed the Germans to occupy Ukraine and made the conditions of the Brest Peace more difficult.
            And with borders you are lying. The territory of Soviet Ukraine was three times larger than the UPR, all of the Black Sea region, Crimea, Kharkov region remained with Russia, and in Belarus the border went along Pripyat.
            1. EwgenyZ
              EwgenyZ 9 August 2013 21: 18
              +1
              Quote: Corsair5912

              And with borders you are lying. The territory of Soviet Ukraine was three times larger than the UPR, all of the Black Sea region, Crimea, Kharkov region remained with Russia, and in Belarus the border went along Pripyat.

              Corsair, do you think that the Germans, having won that war, would have returned these lands to us, huh? If you look at the map of modern Russia, you will see a certain similarity of borders.
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        2. poquello
          poquello 9 August 2013 23: 28
          +1
          "As it turned out, everything was in vain. The Russian Federation is now within the borders of the times of Ivan the Terrible, here is the evolutionary development for you."

          Why did you drag modern borders to tsarist Russia?
    2. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ 9 August 2013 16: 55
      +3
      [quote = Corsair5912] [quote] grunt
      Where would Russia be if not for the gang of the Roman Germans, 300 years of slowing its development and keeping the people in slavery?
      [/ b] [/ quote]
      Corsair, do you really think that Soviet science arose from scratch? And the fact that the Academy of Sciences was organized under the Romanovs, how is that? I will give you an example: the level of development of science in the USSR after 20 years of its existence and the level of development of science in the PRC after XNUMX years of the existence of socialist China, as they say in Odessa - Two big differences! Who taught in the first Soviet universities, really oppressed "nuggets" workers and peasants? By the way, the author about "Buran" wrote utter nonsense: "Buran" launched a rocket into orbit, not an orbital aircraft, this was exactly what the other Spiral space system was supposed to do, which the ingenious Soviet leaders to please the Energia-Buran project. And there are doubts about the superiority with vertical take-off and landing aircraft, as well as aircraft with variable wing geometry (here I am far from the topic, but still ...).
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 9 August 2013 20: 40
        +1
        EwgenyZKorsar, do you really think that Soviet science originated from scratch? And the fact that the Academy of Sciences was organized under the Romanovs is what? Let me give you an example: the level of development of science in the USSR after 20 years of its existence and the level of development of science in China after twenty years of the existence of socialist China, as they say in Odessa - Two big differences! Who taught in the first Soviet universities, really oppressed

        Do not try to ascribe to me your stupid reasoning, I did not say anything like that.
        I argued and affirm that millions of people who were educated thanks to the efforts of the surviving scientists of pre-revolutionary Russia and the new cadres trained by them from the common people, were added to the wretchedly limited scientific personnel of the Russian Empire in the USSR.
        The population also has not changed, if you do not know, both my grandfathers and both grandmothers were born in the 19th century in the Republic of Ingushetia, and were not made by the Bolsheviks in 1917.
        1. EwgenyZ
          EwgenyZ 9 August 2013 21: 33
          +3
          Quote: Corsair5912
          I argued and affirm that to the wretchedly classically limited scientific personnel of the Russian Empire

          Well, if Sechenov, Pirogov, Bekhterev, Pavlov, Mendeleev, Zhukovsky, Tsiolkovsky and other "minds" of tsarist Russia are "a class-limited scientific personnel contingent," then, as they say, the discussion is over. Good luck in your hard work. By the way, if you had said that under Stalin about Pavlov, you would have been at Lubyanka long ago.
          1. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 9 August 2013 22: 24
            +1
            Quote: EwgenyZ
            Quote: Corsair5912
            I argued and affirm that to the wretchedly classically limited scientific personnel of the Russian Empire

            Well, if Sechenov, Pirogov, Bekhterev, Pavlov, Mendeleev, Zhukovsky, Tsiolkovsky and other "minds" of tsarist Russia are "a class-limited scientific personnel contingent," then, as they say, the discussion is over. Good luck in your hard work. By the way, if you had said that under Stalin about Pavlov, you would have been at Lubyanka long ago.

            You are truly an ignoramus in the history of Russia.
            Until October 26 (November 8), 1917, until the 2nd All-Russian Congress of Soviets.
            According to the general provisions at the beginning of the IX volume of the Code of Laws of the Republic of Ingushetia, all natural inhabitants of Russia were supposed to be divided into four main groups:
            Privileged
            nobles (hereditary and personal),
            clergy (of all faiths),
            Taxable
            urban inhabitants (merchants, philistines),
            rural inhabitants (tax-paying peasantry).
            For taxable classes, the right to higher education was limited, although there was no prohibition, if there is money for bribes, to pay for a gymnasium and university.
            Of the 100 million peasants, the smallest 98% did not have such an opportunity.
            That is the class limitation, and not what you think.
  • washi
    washi 9 August 2013 14: 19
    +4
    I agree, but under the king they were not needed. (You still forgot the first tank, submarine, torpedo, etc.) AND ALL the industry belonged to foreigners.
    I’m not sure that the former peasant children, who became academicians under the Soviet regime, could become them under tsarism.
    The speed of implementation of inventions, the payment of them under Stalin and the lack of a quick reaction to innovations under Khrushchev, etc. (party conservatism) proves the advantage of Stalinist socialism. (in the absence of party leadership in the national economy, which Stalin tried to get rid of (constitution of 1937 under the slogan All Power to the Soviets))
    It also proves that the parties, with all their beautiful slogans, are fighting only for voters, and after the elections are "conserved" and begin to plunder the country.
    I would have been satisfied with a personal crown agreement (election and appointment of the monarch and his rule, until his death). This is cheaper, compared with the elections, and the stability of the country's course.
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 9 August 2013 17: 00
      +1
      Quote: Vasya
      I would have been satisfied with a personal crown agreement (election and appointment of the monarch and his rule, until his death). This is cheaper, compared with the elections, and the stability of the country's course.

      Me too, provided that I would be this monarch!

      Quote: Vasya
      I’m not sure that the former peasant children, who became academicians under the Soviet regime, could become them under tsarism.

      There are misconceptions in you that parish schools studied only religion. Lomonosov studied in just that. You can look superficially on Wikipedia. Grammar schools, universities, etc. in Russia were. Another question is who could let the kids dive into science.
      This does not take into account the "alternative" histories of Russia.
  • SASCHAmIXEEW
    SASCHAmIXEEW 9 August 2013 17: 56
    +2
    The Soviet system was built according to the traces of the Trotsky Jews, and 80% of the Jews-Bundets-Communists were in power and all the terror of the khrushch successfully dumped on STALIN !!! Who will give us this truth if the authorities are still the same Leibovic, dvarkouichi and Chubais !!! Putin wake up, the wrong place for us ...
  • anip
    anip 9 August 2013 10: 11
    +2
    And it is precisely this, the best education in the world, that the current Russian radical democrats have been actively destroying for the past two decades.

    Precisely, already almost destroyed, practically finishing off. And an example of this in the above quote. The word "most active" should have one "e" at the end.
    ..
    And the article is a plus. Oh, how "libero-shitcrats" will not like it.
  • evdokimofs
    evdokimofs 9 August 2013 10: 12
    +1
    But I didn’t have the mind to preserve and increase all this - the Chinese measured this.
    1. alone
      alone 9 August 2013 10: 16
      14
      the Chinese had the wisdom to disperse the gang of liberals, and we raised them to tanks to hear all their nonsense
      1. washi
        washi 9 August 2013 15: 28
        +2
        I dont know. Who raised whom to tanks, or under tanks, (lowered).
        The people of the Former USSR, and many "democracies" and "occupied" countries are beginning to mature.
        I think the GDP will go slowly and the whole herd. One problem: Thief - must sit. His property is confiscated.
        Delapoops of all levels with their "immunity" and local laws interfere.
        If you don’t want to adopt the Stalin’s constitution, first accept, at the local level, the laws of Ivan 4 on local self-government.
        Before the accession of the Romanov-Koshkin, Russia was called Russia and was the most democratic.
        There are no slaves in Russia. There are no hungry people in Russia. In Russia, all for the service given
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 9 August 2013 17: 29
          +2
          Quote: Vasya
          I think the GDP will go slowly and the whole herd.
          If by "VVP" you mean Vova, then you are mistaken - he will not go anywhere.
  • My address
    My address 9 August 2013 10: 15
    +2
    Yes, a lot more then that the West formally considers its own. In the lectures on copyright I heard a lot of interesting things about our impracticality.

    For example hydrofoil boats. In the Union there was a children's magazine, it was called "Young Technician". In it, in the 50s and 60s, in a presentation for children, it tells about such courts. A year later, in the West, they took patents for this method of navigation and for the design. After international scandals, we could only deal with these courts at home.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 9 August 2013 10: 28
      +6
      in the same "young technology" for 1986 (I don't remember which number), the principle of a spacecraft using the "solar wind" was described ... and now it turns out to be a "unique development" of American - Canadian scientists ... ...........
    2. family tree
      family tree 9 August 2013 10: 37
      +2
      Quote: My address
      For example hydrofoils. In the Union there was a children's magazine, it was called "Young Technician". In the 50s and 60s, in a presentation for children, it tells about such courts.

      Your data is incorrect.
      The Soviet Union possessed the world's largest fleet of cruise ships. More than 1000 Volga boats, hundreds of Raketa motor ships, dozens of Kometa, Meteor and Belarus motor ships were used in the water. Soviet winged ships were successfully exported to many countries of the world, including the USA, England, Germany, France, Italy.
      From here http://www.seatech.ru/rus/different/hydrofoils.htm
      And at the expense of the invention, many dealt with them

      Enrico Forlanini hydrofoil on Lake Maggiore in 1910
      1. My address
        My address 9 August 2013 12: 05
        +1
        That's right. But they could not influence such shipbuilding in other countries.
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 9 August 2013 12: 36
        +1
        Quote: perepilka
        Enrico Forlanini hydrofoil on Lake Maggiore in 1910

        At the sight of this "miracle" I remembered something more real:
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 9 August 2013 12: 45
          +3
          There are others for the banter:

          etc. etc.
          I hope clearly.
        2. family tree
          family tree 9 August 2013 14: 49
          +1
          Quote: Papakiko
          At the sight of this "miracle" I remembered something more real:

          In 1906, in the American magazine Scientific American, inventor William E. Meacham published an article on the basic principles of hydrofoil operation. Alexander Bell (the inventor of the telephone) was interested in this article. At first, he conducted theoretical studies, and in 1908, together with the inventor Frederick W. Baldwin, he began testing models.
          Baldwin studied the work of the Italian inventor Enrico Forlanini and was engaged in testing models based on his designs. During Bell’s world tour in 1910-1911, Bell and Boldwin met in Forlanini in Italy. They rode along Lake Lago Major on a hydrofoil boat created by Forlanini. According to Baldwin's description, the boat moved as smoothly as if it were flying. Returning to Canada, the inventors continued to work on the development of their hydrofoil ship. As a result, they built a ship that received the HD-4 index. This vessel was powered by Renault engines. It developed a speed of up to 87 km / h (54 mph), quickly accelerated, overcame waves without problems, was easily controlled and was highly stable. Bell sent a report to the U.S. Navy. The Navy became interested in his experiences, and gave him the opportunity to purchase two engines with a capacity of 260 kW (350 hp). On September 9, 1919, the HD-4 set a world water speed record of 114 km / h (70,86 mph). This record lasted ten years
          Something like this.
          Well and another fact, Mikhail Petrovich Devyatayev, everyone probably knows
          The first captain of the SEC "Meteor" was the famous fighter pilot Hero of the Soviet Union Mikhail Devyatayev, who during the years of World War II was able to escape from captivity, having stolen a German bomber.
          In 1957 he became one of the first captains of the Raketa passenger hydrofoil ships. Later he drove along the Volga "Meteora", was a captain-mentor.
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 9 August 2013 15: 55
            +1
            Why are you scattering facts from Wikipedia?
            Do not think of R. Ye. Alekseev to drive the refrigerant in "wings and supports" and this topic "hydrofoils" was purely an attraction.
            Quote: perepilka
            Bell sent a report to the U.S. Navy. The Navy became interested in his experiences, and gave him the opportunity to purchase two engines with a capacity of 260 kW (350 hp). On September 9, 1919, the HD-4 set a world water speed record of 114 km / h (70,86 mph).

            And when did the "mattress" create their own "waffles" on this topic ???
            In the United States, Boeing was engaged in the development of hydrofoil vessels. Boeing built its first hydrofoil ship in 1962
            And this is after Bell's enchanting applause in 1910.

            We are "stupid and bast soup with bast shoes, and" they "are smart geniuses and for more than 50 years the topic could not develop.

            Quote: perepilka
            Something like this.

            Do not have the habit of screaming what was created in the USSR and created in Russia. Try to delve a little deeper. hi
            1. family tree
              family tree 9 August 2013 22: 17
              +5
              Quote: Papakiko
              Do not have the habit of screaming what was created in the USSR and created in Russia. Try to delve a little deeper.

              Do not have the habit of screaming that Russia is the birthplace of elephants. The USSR has achievements and so the roof is something to be proud of. The Soviet Union, by and large, merged the agitprop, which screamed that we ourselves had already come up with everything and were cooler than the Himalayas in everything. When they say one thing and you see the other, you understand that you are being deceived and you stop believing. And then, be the commander, at least seven spans in the forehead, he will be sent, very far away. Did Socrates say about friends and truth?
              Do not think of R. Ye. Alekseev to drive the refrigerant in "wings and supports" and this topic "hydrofoils" was purely an attraction.
              so
              The Soviet Union possessed the world's largest fleet of cruise ships.
              So write that we have come up with a way to effectively cool the hydrofoil, which allowed us to create an ice film on it, which not only protected from cavitation, but also smoothed out the formed caverns. Unlike stupid people who scratched turnips for half a century, thinking what they think. The task, by the way, was more difficult than to invent a wing. The devil is in the details.
              41. The world's first ship on hydrofoils.
              In the 30s of the XX century, the German engineer G. von Schärtel used V-shaped wings capable of lifting the body even with significant excitement. In 1944, von Schärtel built an 80-ton ship, which with a load of 20 tons could reach speeds of up to 40 knots at a wave height of 1,8 m.
              http://korabley.net/news/voennye_korabli_na_podvodnykh_kryljakh/2012-12-04-1326
      3. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 9 August 2013 17: 02
        0
        and who has heard about the LIRA project submarines? capable of dodging oncoming torpedoes and capable of overtaking it on a U-turn? It seems they drove to the Far East
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  • pensioner
    pensioner 9 August 2013 10: 22
    +6
    In principle, every nation has its own contribution to the treasury of innovative ideas. Who has more, who has less ... But the nations that pave the way for the development of human civilization through the unknown - count on fingers.
  • rugor
    rugor 9 August 2013 10: 22
    +4
    And for sure I missed something and apologize to my readers for that. But if anyone has any additions to this list of mine, I will accept them with great pleasure!


    Enough time to list! Respect to the author!
  • Larus
    Larus 9 August 2013 10: 25
    +9
    The author correctly said that nobody like Kalashnikov at this time needed anyone and could not count on anything ....
  • Nick_1972
    Nick_1972 9 August 2013 10: 27
    +5
    Was born in the USSR. I was proud of my country then and I am proud now (I'm talking about the USSR). I just think that if the author wants to prove the achievements of the USSR, it is not necessary to assert "... that the USSR is the homeland of elephants." For example, p. 34 - did not know that Messerschmitt created his R.1101 in the Moscow design bureau. The same questions under paragraph 35
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 August 2013 10: 39
    +5
    Reading the article, it was breathtaking for me (and it's all over 70 years, actually from an agricultural country, to make such a breakthrough in production technology). Now, after all, all these achievements and victories of the USSR really erase our children’s heads (and it’s not bad at them) It’s sad how then ..
  • Fastblast
    Fastblast 9 August 2013 10: 46
    +6
    Today, on the way to work, among a variety of billboards, I met a lone banner with social advertising.
    And I remembered our not distant past, where social advertising was the majority and advertisements were the exception.
    This is to say that even though such social slogans of those years and not the main engines of progress, but they contributed to the development of technological progress, stimulating citizens to work for the good of the homeland!

    And now, what is the information often imposed on us calling for?

    Loans, pads, cars, food, alcohol ...
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 9 August 2013 10: 58
      +3
      Quote: Fastblast
      Loans, pads, cars, food, alcohol ...

      Diarrhea, heartburn and corns ...
      1. Fastblast
        Fastblast 9 August 2013 11: 06
        +2
        Exactly! Buy-develop.
  • nokki
    nokki 9 August 2013 10: 49
    +8
    Quote: Uncle Seryozha
    became engineers, scientists and even people's commissars. And now nothing shines on them.


    Then - Commissars. Now - drug addicts. Liberal "reforms", to beat them by the leg!
  • Asgard
    Asgard 9 August 2013 10: 56
    18
    Have you heard about the diesel engine? :)
    So, until the forties of the twentieth century, no one called him that. Because there was nothing. Rudy built a funny laboratory toy, which God forbid, withstand five hundred measures on the laboratory table. And the process of cleaning fuel for this epic result took weeks of difficult work .... The poor fellow eventually drowned from grief and creative impotence.
    But. Russian engineers needed an engine for ships, diesel locomotives and mine ventilation. Because our economy was developing not just violently, but still violently ... and Russian engineers from half a thousand altered the stillborn brainchild of Diesel so that it did not just work. He began to eat crude oil!
    Since these engineers did the business first of all, and did not respect the show-offs, they did not begin to call their own (precisely their own!) Engine by any name. And all over the world he was called simply - the Russian engine.
    It was only later that they began to mold a legend from Diesel, to let go of the panties on wheels about the "unrecognized genius", it was necessary to take away the priority from the Russians, propaganda, understand ...
    This can be molded sheet by sheet. About airplanes, which then in the world no one dreamed of. About the submarines, about the lubricants that I traveled, flew, sailed the whole world (if you wanted to win any competitions or just hoped for a sane engine resource - lubricants only from Russia), about railways, oh ... did you know that Sytin’s taverns were in Russia? Where a person could eat for a penny - pancakes with six dressings (a dozen pancakes and six plates with different dressings, from meat salad to red caviar), a couple of pies with meat or white fish, and "put honey". And Sytyn's food went so well that he was going to open a network of taverns ....

    And now we live in a barren era ...
    1. soaring
      soaring 9 August 2013 12: 40
      +3
      Asgard, I completely agree with you !!! It's a shame for young people who do not respect their history, our grandfathers and the achievements of science in the days of our grandfathers ....
      You +++++ drinks
    2. Iraclius
      Iraclius 9 August 2013 14: 26
      +5
      Asgard, welcome! hi
      Speaking of lubricants. Russian science presented the world with Popov’s theory of hydrodynamic lubrication and a new scientific direction created by K. Papok - chemical chemistry, which studies the performance properties and application of fuel and lubricants in a complex.
      Many greases, oils, and special fluids created in the USSR still have no analogues in the West.
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 9 August 2013 15: 20
        +6
        Thank you.
        We must be proud of our Homeland and an inquiring People. Here you and I have made a contribution to the AWARENESS of People reading their potential in Russian ....
        Do not spend a day, just SO ...
        Do something, help, teach children (not only your own)), read political information to relatives, after watching The "news" ...
        You can start with the word - Bullshit))))

        Near the house, put things in order, spend time with the kids, introduce OUR values ​​to them, otherwise TV will do THIS. Drag them to the site and you will see how the nature of requests from his computer will change ....
        Children we have gold, mine sometimes writes for me On the site "AllRussian")))
        Specifically, with links and explains logically with respect to the interlocutor ....

        I rejoice for them, help as much as I can, because WE WILL nevertheless return MYSELF to the COUNTRY.
        The main thing is to convey that there was someone, WITH HISTORY, ACHIEVEMENTS AND KNOWLEDGE ....
        Optimistic realists for all comments +++
        1. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 9 August 2013 18: 35
          +1
          1000000 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  • kirpich
    kirpich 9 August 2013 11: 11
    10
    Quote: Uncle Seryozha
    but blaming everyone is stupid. We did not know much.



    We knew a lot. Only when we showed a bright wrapper of capitalism, we pecked at it. We thought that a candy was hidden behind the wrapper. We thought that "We will live now" ... They pecked, chewed, realized that we were nailed ... or. Therefore, all of US should be blamed. We are to blame for what happened. And we must begin to correct this shame. And we still have the potential for this.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 9 August 2013 12: 40
      +1
      absolutely agree. It's time for all the people to adopt the motto of the Airborne Forces --- "no one but us." roll up the sleeves, trim the "backbones" and gradually correct what they have done ......... and, most importantly, no one will come to understand sho from outside and will not help ---- Toko SAMI
    2. Very old
      Very old 9 August 2013 21: 09
      0
      Kolya, you are a very necessary brick. We will build!
  • erg
    erg 9 August 2013 11: 20
    +9
    In general, the author still lied a little. For example, the Yak-3 can not be called the best. More correct will be one of the best. The fighters of World War II, on all sides of the conflict, possessed virtually similar characteristics, slightly differing from each other. Someone had better speed data, someone had maneuverability, altitude, etc. But on the whole, they were similar in characteristics to the machine, and it was unclear to single out the definitely the best. But the author did not mention a truly unique IL-2 machine. No country has had such an aircraft. And after the war for a long time they could not create a similar type of combat vehicle. Although there was a need. So with the Americans, similar tasks in attack were performed by the Thunderbolt fighter (the brainchild of Russian emigrants). But due to the lack of booking, he often received damage from breaking his own bombs, plus a poor view down. However, during the Vietnam War, when Thunderbolt was no longer in production, the Americans pointed out that Thunderbolts were very necessary.
    Work on nuclear topics began even before the war. And by the time it was necessary to create a bomb, we came up with serious scientific baggage. So that not from scratch they created both a bomb and a reactor.
    Kalashnikov assault rifle is not a unique development. There is nothing fundamentally new in it. All the principles of work and the design of machine components were worked out back in the First World War. As there was nothing new in the German assault rifle. But Kalashnikov is an example of a successful combination of already proven technical solutions. But here, Kalashnikov and other designers had really remarkable developments, some of which are used in foreign designs. So the semi-free bolt for an automatic rifle, proposed by Korobov, is today used in the French assault guilty FAMAS. And by the principle - find ten differences.
    1. yanus
      yanus 9 August 2013 12: 29
      +4
      Quote: erg
      In general, the author still lied a little.

      Well, there are little things that do not change the essence.
      But at the same time, the list is very indicative. Cross out from it the achievements of the military and for the military. What will be left?
      For understanding - I am writing this message from a Chinese laptop developed in the USA.
      In general, the USSR developed rapidly and actively until the 70s. And it developed not due to the "wise leadership of the party", but because of the horrors and devastation of the past war. All people have gathered their will in a fist to revive the country from ruins so that no one can threaten the country. These people lived and built not for themselves, but for the sake of their children and grandchildren.
      They hoped that at least their children and grandchildren would heal well. And what have healed? Not really. And that again to live according to the principle "our children will heal well"? No, “life in wrestling was no longer interesting for them, they just wanted to live a normal life. And the USSR went downhill.
      Nobody was interested in anything because of the inability to change something, to achieve something. Units of exceptions only confirmed the rule.
      Therefore, in the 91st no one fought for anything, everyone did not care.
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius 9 August 2013 14: 31
        +5
        If you, yanus, are not in the know, I’ll explain. My first PC was not American and certainly not Chinese, but Soviet-made. Like televisions, refrigerators, VCRs, and simple cassettes / reels.
        Works in the field of the theory of artificial intelligence, robotics had no analogues in the world. At the end of the 70, academician Viktor Mikhailovich Glushkov began design work OGAS - a nationwide automated system for accounting and processing information designed for automated management of the entire economy of the USSR as a whole. The Americans were horrified when they found out about it. During the design of the system, Viktor Mikhailovich created from scratch a system of algorithmic algebras and a theory for managing distributed databases. He also created the MIR-1 computer already in the 1966 year. It was essentially a new word in world practice; technically, it had a number of innovations, in particular, memory on metallized cards. But most importantly: it was the first widely used machine with the so-called step microprogram control. He also wrote an article on cybernetics in the Encyclopedia Britannia on the order of the British. Is this not world recognition?
        Quote: yanus
        They hoped that at least their children and grandchildren would heal well. And what have healed? Not really. And that again to live according to the principle "our children will heal well"? No, “life in wrestling was no longer interesting for them, they just wanted to live a normal life. And the USSR went downhill.

        What do you mean by the words "live well"? Jeans, gum, or chips? What can be achieved now? In House-2 to become "successful"? Don't write nonsense.
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 9 August 2013 16: 08
          +1
          Quote: Iraclius
          My first PC was not American and certainly not Chinese, but Soviet-made.

          German "K 8915" was unknown in 1991.
          And before taxied "Quasars" and "Electronics"
          And then they fell:

        2. Very old
          Very old 9 August 2013 21: 31
          0
          Andrew, he did not write nonsense, try to understand him.
          1. Iraclius
            Iraclius 9 August 2013 22: 43
            +3
            I do not really understand the meaning of the post, to be honest. But I see that in the words of Papakiko there is a certain irony.
            Then I'll expand my post a little. For I see that there is a need. Too much the current generation is accustomed to associating the word "computer" with the abbreviation "USA" or the word "Japan". And the USSR is "tanks, guns, missiles, Gagarin, black earth, etc." This is not true.
            And that's why - in 1948-49, Alexander Sergeyevich Lebedev, independently of John von Neumann, formulated the fundamental principles of computer operation.
            The first computer, MESM, was built.
            The second machine, BESM, was in no way inferior to the American and European computers in speed.
            On "Emka" Brook - a domestic car! - with a ridiculous nowadays speed of 20 operations per second, problems were solved at the Kurchatov Institute in the early 50s.
            And "Setun"? This is the only computer in the world that worked on the basis of ternary, not binary logic! To which interest is reviving again.
            What else? The "conveyor" principle of command execution ahead of its time.
            I will no longer be crucifying and will simply quote the curator of the Museum of Computer Science in the UK, Doron Sveid, about how he bought in Novosibirsk one of the last BESM-6 workers:

            "The Russian BESM series of supercomputers, developed over 40 years ago, may testify to the lies of the United States in proclaiming technological superiority during the Cold War years."

            Actually, there is nothing more to add.
            To anyone interested, I recommend reading Wasserman's article "Communism and Computers". It perfectly describes the essence of OGAS academician Glushkov and the revolutionary ideas of this system.
            1. poquello
              poquello 10 August 2013 00: 35
              +2
              "The Russian BESM series of supercomputers, developed over 40 years ago, may testify to the lies of the United States in proclaiming technological superiority during the Cold War years."

              Actually, there is nothing more to add.


              By supercomputers, we really did not lag behind, but by PC they fell off specifically. New PC Electronics were models of the past generation.
              This is how the theme of the USSR’s no electronics is born, for the Soviet people, having found a spoon of deception, no longer perceives the barrel of truth.
        3. yanus
          yanus 10 August 2013 00: 49
          +1
          Quote: Iraclius
          If you, yanus, are not in the know, I’ll explain. My first PC was not American and certainly not Chinese, but Soviet-made. Like televisions, refrigerators, VCRs, and simple cassettes / reels.

          I remembered the DDT song:
          Open your mouths, tear off your clothes - Boys major march along the street.

          I gave my laptop as an example of the fact that the achievements of the USSR in science rarely reached the ordinary life of ordinary people. Your further messages are direct proof of this. All that you wrote about, really serious achievements of fundamental and partially applied science, and rarely reached ordinary people.
          Even the abbreviations PC and COMPUTER say a lot. For the bourgeois it is a "personal computer", and for us it is an "electronic computer" (do not touch it with your hands, do not plug it into the network, wipe the dust ...)

          This all in no way cancels the achievements of the USSR, but somehow offensively ....
          1. poquello
            poquello 11 August 2013 01: 40
            +1
            Quote: yanus
            Quote: Iraclius
            If you, yanus, are not in the know, I’ll explain. My first PC was not American and certainly not Chinese, but Soviet-made. Like televisions, refrigerators, VCRs, and simple cassettes / reels.


            I cited my laptop as an example of the fact that the achievements of the USSR in science rarely reached the ordinary life of ordinary people .....
            Even the abbreviations PC and COMPUTER say a lot. For the bourgeois it is a "personal computer", and for us it is an "electronic computer".


            The level of Soviet household appliances was slightly worse than the bourgeois of expensive, except for the last western directions such as VM and PC. If we only knew what cheap things they have, besides this, they probably didn’t get too bad.
            Abbreviations: computer - computer, PC - PC.
            Since the USSR strove to do what it is in the West, it acted as a catch-up plus a clumsy planned economy.
      2. Very old
        Very old 9 August 2013 21: 29
        0
        The bottom line. Right. I agree.
    2. Very old
      Very old 9 August 2013 21: 22
      +1
      Dima, I also remembered the IL-2. Well, the author could not list everything. The "Black Death" is still remembered in Germany. And this is more important than the mention in the article Armored car in the air - Das ist fantastish! Donner wetter! La funf! Aces of fatty scattered
  • kirpich
    kirpich 9 August 2013 11: 23
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Reading the article I was breathtaking (and all this for 70 years, actually from an agricultural country to make such a breakthrough in production technology)


    Well, after all, it was a tyrant who killed hundreds of thousands in prisons and camps and killed tens of millions of people during World War II.
    1. builder
      builder 9 August 2013 21: 16
      0
      and killed on the Second World War tens of millions of people.
      1. kirpich
        kirpich 10 August 2013 10: 09
        0
        I wrote it with irony, I thought they would understand.
  • zub46
    zub46 9 August 2013 11: 29
    +4
    Well, what did it cost the USSR leaders to buy a couple of cars for the production of cars so that everyone could roll in, eliminate the shortage of clothes, some food, saturate the market — let the private trader into agricultural production, public services and trade? I am sure that when liquidating deficits on the above, no bastard would have broken a great country. And so many were led to the promises of different sneakers with a thick, thick layer of chocolate. And appreciate the quality of anti-Soviet propaganda and the talent of the propagandists of that time. Mitkova alone was worth what. Now they would be forced to agitate young people for the Russian idea with the same ardor and talent, organize patriotic education, clarify the hidden meaning and neutralize enemy propaganda. That is, to become in the front ranks of the fighters of the ideological front, the war on which does not stop for a minute.
  • erased
    erased 9 August 2013 11: 31
    +6
    Tank IS-2. The best heavy tank of the end of World War II, which even the fascist Tigers of all modifications could not compete with. Reluctantly, this fact is recognized by most foreign experts.

    In fact, the Is-2 was knocked out by both the Tigers and the T-4 of later modifications. Not to mention heavy SPGs and Royal Tigers. However, the German tankers actually had instructions to evade a direct battle with the ISs. The point is in the tactical position on the battlefield and the training of crews.
    But this is not the point, but the fact that the author is right - the highest achievements of the USSR in various areas since 1989 have been actively destroyed. And this destruction is still going on. First of all, the scum-traitors are to blame for this, and only then the imported "well-wishers".
    What will happen next? It’s even scary to think about it ...
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 9 August 2013 11: 34
    +7
    ... and children's and youthful creativity? Selling various designers, technical creativity mugs!
    All this for many years gave young people a direction in life, in a specialty.
    And a lot of the above came from people who have been engaged in technology since childhood or adolescence.
    And now mostly jigsaw constructors and a mountain of self-propelled toys that quickly bother children are sold ...
    1. poquello
      poquello 10 August 2013 01: 06
      +1
      Quote: Starover_Z
      ... and children's and youthful creativity? Selling various designers, technical creativity mugs!
      All this for many years gave young people a direction in life, in a specialty.
      And a lot of the above came from people who have been engaged in technology since childhood or adolescence.
      And now mostly jigsaw constructors and a mountain of self-propelled toys that quickly bother children are sold ...


      It touches me that desire to exalt the USSR in everything and to pump on today's Russia. Sir, my son is playing, running with children's automatic pneumatics and collecting huge cities from Lego, ancient constructors are being sold - neither I nor him need them.
      A colleague goes to the sports section of high-speed shooting, saigu in the case and went, dosaf resting. In the section, different capable, promising are taken for free - victories in competitions raise the prestige of the sections. Well you poop is all around.
  • Denga
    Denga 9 August 2013 11: 38
    +6
    Quote: hrych
    Of course, the Author is a plus, but under Tsar-Father they created: Mendeleev, without a table, which is different from the splitting of an atom's nucleus, in general civilization would have followed a different path; Tsiolkovsky is the father of all astronautics and rocket science; school Zhukovsky, chicks, which Tupolev and Sikorsky, who is the father of the helicopter, but at the dawn of aircraft construction, without modesty, created heavy bomb carriers of the "Ilya Muromets" type. Fedorov's first assault rifle, under the "intermediate" cartridge, his correctness was confirmed by two world wars. About medicine, it is better to be silent: Pirogov, Mechnikov, Sechenov, Pavlov ... to this day, pressure is measured with the Korotkov apparatus. Yablochkov - a light bulb, Slavyanov - electric arc welding, Popov - radio, Jacobi - the first electric motor, Zvorykin created television when he was a student of Rosing. In 1907, Boris Lvovich Rosing, a professor at the St. Petersburg Institute of Technology, filed an application for the invention "Method of electrical transmission of images over a distance", proving the possibility of using a cathode ray tube to convert an electrical signal into points of a visible image. The beam was swept in the tube by magnetic fields. The wireless transmission of the explosion energy over a distance by the Filippovs was earlier than Tesla, without Teslin's huge high-frequency devices and lost to civilization. Chizhevsky, Vernadsky, etc., etc.
    Zvorykin, Sikorsky fled from the Bolsheviks and created their brilliant creations in the cap. countries, a bunch of failed geniuses of the Russian scientific school were shot by the Trotskyists, many simply starved to death. Korolev, Glushko hails from sharashka, whom they miraculously saved from the execution of the Trotskyists.
    I’m afraid that if it weren’t for the Soviet system, then Russian tourists on vimaan would already admire the beauty of the outskirts of Saturn.


    The victories listed in this article became possible precisely thanks to the reforms carried out in the USSR. It was during the Soviet era that universal free education was introduced. Many leading gunsmiths, designers and scientists whose names the whole world knows come out of ordinary people, precisely thanks to a free, affordable and quality education. Electrification and later industrialization of the whole country were carried out. By 1940, about 9000 enterprises were commissioned. By the way, it was precisely the tough Stalinist industrialization, carried out in a short, by historical standards, time, that was one of the components of the Victory. I think that without it the USSR was unlikely to have pulled out in a fierce war, despite all the heroism of the Soviet people. A social program was introduced. Free kindergartens, orphanages, free medicine, etc. were introduced. etc. As a result of which homelessness was eradicated, the working person became protected (pensions and disability and disability benefits). After which, naturally, communist views began to spread widely outside the USSR. Naturally, in order to stop this, the capitalists, looking at us, began to introduce some elements of the social sphere.
    I think that your words “if it were not for the Soviet system, then Russian tourists on vimaan would already admire the beauty of the outskirts of Saturn.” have no basis. Tsarist Russia was an agrarian country. Research institutes appeared in the USSR, so with the king of a scientific breakthrough into space would not work. Take the same D.I. In the book “Gunpowder: From Alchemy to Artillery” by Mendeleev, the American himself writes about smokeless gunpowder invented by the Russian chemist, which turned out to be unnecessary for the tsarist government, as a result of which the Americans bought it and began to produce it, and we began to buy it from them. By the way, there were many similar examples in our history.
    The general article is a big plus.
  • svp67
    svp67 9 August 2013 11: 40
    +4
    And of the tanks I would put in the first place - T54 / 55 - this is really a masterpiece of the world level ...
  • aviator65
    aviator65 9 August 2013 11: 42
    +5
    In general, agreeing with the conclusions of this article, I believe that a number of points of the author's lecture presented in it are doubtful and slightly perplexing, in particular, such statements:
    "34. The world's first aircraft with variable wing geometry, which made a splash at the Le Bourget aviation parade.

    35. The world's first plane with vertical lift and landing.

    36. The world's first jet passenger liner.

    37. The world's first supersonic passenger liner.

    38. In general, we must admit that more than forty percent of the world's passenger aviation in the second half of the twentieth century was equipped with Soviet aircraft. "
    I completely and completely agree with the author that the USSR possessed outstanding scientific and technological achievements, having absolute priority in a number of industries. I also use both hands to make modern youth aware of this. But in engaging in this educational work, it is nevertheless necessary to rely on real facts and real achievements (and there are really a huge number of them), and not on one’s own fantasies, even if they are based on what Soviet popular science magazines published 40-50 years ago. Otherwise, you can agree that Russia is the birthplace of elephants!
  • Novoyur
    Novoyur 9 August 2013 11: 44
    +4
    Today, everything can be counted from the backside; today we are almost the first behind everything. Glory to our glorious democrats led by EBN. Lowered our country below nowhere.
    1. anip
      anip 9 August 2013 12: 27
      +2
      Quote: Novoyur
      Glory to our glorious democrats led by EBN. Lowered our country below nowhere.

      Yes, since 2000, others seem to have been in charge of everything.
      1. Very old
        Very old 9 August 2013 21: 37
        +1
        And where do apples fall from the apple tree?
  • 12061973
    12061973 9 August 2013 11: 52
    +3
    I would like to read about the landmark achievements with the plus sign of the new Russia, but I'm afraid there will not be many.
  • andrey777
    andrey777 9 August 2013 12: 02
    +3
    Quote: domokl
    Are you tired of being a ram? They deprived us, they ruined the country, they sold the country ... Ugh .. And where were we at that time? Voted not with our minds, but with our hearts? They bought rusty imported cars? They ate Sneakers, instead of Alyonka’s normal chocolate?
    We have profiled the country. And no one else. And we tolerate these very liberals, and no one else. And we will be happy to choose them again in thoughts, too.
    The country needs not to mourn, but to revive ... Tear the veins, and revive. The thieves must be planted, the defense industry must be developed.
    The Russian people (I don’t want to use the current Russians, the mother of their children) could and could now pull out the country and make life better.
    Russia’s achievements over the years have been great, but even more are ahead. One word is God's chosen country.

    An excellent comment, if I could put another plus, I would put it, and the article really shows what the Russian people are capable of, glory to him!
  • Windbreak
    Windbreak 9 August 2013 12: 12
    +2
    35. The world's first plane with vertical lift and landing.
    The experimental Hawker P.1127 (Harrier prototype) appeared earlier than the experimental Yak-36
  • arnulla
    arnulla 9 August 2013 12: 15
    +2
    Soviet achievements were deliberately hushed up. I repeat, INTENTIONALLY. We should have felt like a worthless nation that couldn’t do anything. And the West was supposed to be a sort of benchmark. , loot regularly stands out now.
  • kirpich
    kirpich 9 August 2013 12: 15
    +2
    Quote: zub46
    Well, what did it cost the USSR leaders to buy a couple of cars for the production of cars so that everyone could roll in, eliminate the shortage of clothes, some food, saturate the market — let the private trader into agricultural production, public services and trade?


    And, you put yourself in his place. The country is in ruin, nothing (after the Civil War) is not there. And, the Russian Empire has collapsed. And there are so many people who want to grab that which is ownerless (Does it not remind you of anything?).
    He needed a COUNTRY to save and RESTORE.
    And HE did it. All this legacy is still being plundered.
    Z.Y. I’d rather ride a tank or tractor in the fields than on light vehicles on the highway. And these two TANK and TRACTOR cars will protect and feed me.
    Z.Z.Y. Ah, cars at the entrance from the evil one.
  • bya965
    bya965 9 August 2013 12: 19
    +2
    Our people are very talented. Perhaps this is due to both genes and a rich culture. I would add a zero point about the colonial past.
    0. The Russian people, by joining or conquering other peoples, did not destroy them (although there are several examples) and did not destroy their culture, unlike Western civilizations and the rest of the world. As a result, the enrichment of the culture of all peoples, including the Russian, took place. This could not but affect the development of society and its achievement.

    To be honest, it must be noted that all of the listed achievements were achieved or their foundations were laid under Stalin.
  • Alexey M
    Alexey M 9 August 2013 12: 26
    0
    One thing pleases the story in a spiral developing. So that we can live to see the power of Russia and apple trees will bloom on Mars.
  • kirpich
    kirpich 9 August 2013 12: 37
    +1
    Quote: bya965
    0. The Russian people, by joining or conquering other peoples, did not destroy them (although there are several examples)


    Something I can’t remember where the Russian people staged the genocide. Remember, please?
    1. bya965
      bya965 9 August 2013 12: 47
      -6
      913/914 - Rus with the permission of the Khazar Tsar enter the Caspian Sea along the Volga and rob Transcaucasia (according to one version, Armenians were severely slaughtered because they had Russian slaves). On the way back, the Russian squad, with the connivance of the Khazar tsar, is destroyed by the Khazar (Muslim) guard.
      Suvorov with the Nogai Horde, General Yermolov with the Chechens.
      For all the cases described, I believe that my ancestors acted absolutely correctly. According to its cultural traditions.
      1. aviator65
        aviator65 9 August 2013 13: 55
        0
        Where are the facts from? Khazar Haganate - Muslims?
      2. hrych
        hrych 9 August 2013 14: 04
        +3
        The Khazars, (the Kozars according to the Russian chronicles), were steppes, captured the Caucasian peoples and the spread of the mountaineers in vain. They have the same relation to the present Caucasian peoples as the British, who seized the lands of South Africa to the Zulus.
      3. Syrdon
        Syrdon 9 August 2013 14: 11
        0
        Khazars professed Judaism, which Muslim Guards ?? These appeared much later in the Ottoman Empire and were called Janissaries.
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 9 August 2013 21: 25
          0
          Quote: Syrdon
          Khazars professed Judaism, which Muslim Guards ?? These appeared much later in the Ottoman Empire and were called Janissaries.

          In Khazaria, the Jews were only the "power elite", the majority of the population were pagans (nomadic pastoralists) or Muslims (farmers).
      4. alekseinew
        alekseinew 9 August 2013 14: 36
        0
        you would have remembered that before our era it was and indeed the history of Russia is so redrawn, no one can say that everything is 100% true
      5. alone
        alone 9 August 2013 16: 51
        +1
        913/914 - Rus with the permission of the Khazar Tsar enter the Caspian Sea along the Volga and rob Transcaucasia (according to one version, Armenians were severely slaughtered because they had Russian slaves). On the way back, the Russian squad, with the connivance of the Khazar tsar, is destroyed by the Khazar (Muslim) guard

        not Armenians .a Caucasian Albanians who were Christians.
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 9 August 2013 12: 37
    +7
    Technical achievements, yes, but there were also social achievements, free medicine, practically free preschool institutions, and a completely free school. Think of the free pioneer houses and palaces, sports clubs for all ages. schoolchildren in the Soviet Union were an order of magnitude healthier and physically stronger than today's children. So the author of the rights to 200% of the Soviet Union was the leader in the world, because it was undermined by the countries of the West, undermined, first of all, the moral foundations, inspired the youth that life in the West is much better than in the USSR. This is where the Soviet authorities lost the most important battle, the battle for the minds of young people. That is why Chubais, Gaidars, Nemtsovs, Khakamads, and other corrupt "politicians, economists" grew up in our country. The worst thing is that I do not see even a hint of what would turn the country back into the channel of socialism. With each new generation, we are moving further and further from that wonderful time.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 9 August 2013 16: 46
      0
      Quote: vladsolo56
      That is why Chubais, Gaidars, Nemtsovs, Khakamads, and other corrupt "politicians, economists" grew up in our country
      They just did not grow, but were created purposefully.

      The most disgusting thing is that I don’t even see a hint to turn the country back into the channel of socialism
      A return is possible, but for this very many will have to set their brains, and this is a problem, since the current propaganda, coupled with the reluctance of the majority to think, is doing its job.

      The rest I agree.
  • avia12005
    avia12005 9 August 2013 12: 56
    +7
    And the world's first global traitors to their country — SOLZHENITSYN, SAKHAROV, RESUN, GORBACHEV, YELTSIN, KRAVCHUK, SHUSHKEVICH, SVANIDZE, GOZMAN, ROMANOV, AND PR.
  • DAEDALUS
    DAEDALUS 9 August 2013 13: 00
    +3
    The world's first mobile installation for launching ballistic missiles based on railway wagons, which there are still no analogues in the world and which we destroyed at the request of the US State Department in the memorable nineties.
    It was a huge pain in the ass of the USA! If the liberals didn’t cut ...
    The world's first giant transport aircraft capable of transporting over 250 tons of payload by air.
    The car is a beast! not otherwise!
    Much has been written about these achievements in the journals Technique of Youth, Knowledge and Power, Science and Life, Young Technician and in a number of other periodicals of the Soviet Union, published in millions of copies. And which we do not have in our country now. They were replaced by countless glossy magazines with half-naked and completely naked girls.
    Now the journal "Young Erudite" is being published (although some of the articles have been translated from French from some local magazine), and so there is a lot of things written about: there is a military section, a scientific one (they mainly explain popularly about space and quantum physics), a section of experiments in home conditions, a section of questions from readers, a section about biology.
  • anfreezer
    anfreezer 9 August 2013 13: 01
    11
    Here’s the question for you ... Well, quite often, judging by the comments of the forum users, the picture is visible that in general everything is exactly materially and in the socio-psychological aspect, there is a love of the motherland and a sense of patriotism ... But honestly, many people will say (of those who found the Union) that they still feel the same pride in the technical achievements of the country, now Russia ... request ...!? The answer will probably be ambiguous ... I remember before the magazine "Tekhnika Molodezhi" (or "Science and Life", "Aviation and Cosmonautics", etc.) will come, you open and .... T-A-A-KAYA Pride for The country in which you live! Eh-eh! Or rather, even now there are moments of real pride in real achievements, but .... this rarely happens. Well, do not be proud of the promises, the right word. Well, for a positive, let me anecdote:"Representatives of different nations met - they are discussing which nation has made a greater contribution to the development of science, who made more discoveries. Who does not say what - it turns out that the Russians were the first. The British say" we were the first to invent radio "Russians - Popov 5 years earlier than Edison did it ...
    Americans "We were the first to fly on an airplane!" Russian - priest Savely flew on his design 30 years earlier than the Wright brothers. The French wanted to stand out. "And we were the first to come up with a blowjob" Russians: "That's really not true! Back in the 19th century, the Zaporozhye Cossacks wrote to the Turkish Sultan an answer" "x ... r down your throat and we see right through you" The French say "Well, x .. in your throat - it reminds of a blowjob, of course, but what has it to do with "We see right through you?" Russians: "This is so that the Germans do not stutter now, that they were the first to come up with an X-ray"
    wink
  • Alexey M
    Alexey M 9 August 2013 13: 03
    +1
    All that Russia and the former republics have is left of the USSR! I’m silent about 20-30 countries around the world that fed with us.