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On the 5th anniversary of the Ossetian conflict: four strategic conclusions

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It was possible to talk about the strategic consequences of the conflict in South Ossetia immediately and even before it. Nothing has changed - only understanding has changed, because история confirmed a lot. What your humble servant said to 5 years ago is now shared by a much larger number of people (at least in the expert community).


On the 5th anniversary of the Ossetian conflict: four strategic conclusions


The points.
First: then and now. It must be emphasized that the direct reaction to Saakashvili’s action was absolutely correct. That is, Russia did not just do the right thing - it was the only possible way of reaction. Russia has fulfilled publicly, publicly and in accordance with international law its obligations. These obligations consisted in the fact that Russia guaranteed non-admission of a solution to the problem by force. She had to do it. If we washed and refrained from such a reaction, Russia would cease to be a subject of history, a subject of world politics with all the ensuing consequences - up to the inevitable elimination of sovereignty.

Actually, this was the meaning of the conflict. We are well aware that no Saakashvili could have made a decision on the actual attack on Russia. Saakashvili is a satellite that is fully controlled and paid for by its American owners. Yes, he rushed forward, he is not quite adequate, he is certainly an adventurer, and so on. But - he was sitting on the American chain, and only the owner could pull him off the chain, he didn’t control the chain of Saakashvili. Therefore, we must understand that this once again greatly emphasizes the act of political will that Russia committed, because our political leadership was well aware that we have no Georgia as an adversary. And in this sense, the statement that we did not fight with the Georgians is completely true. In this case, the Georgians worked as an American penal battalion - it was reconnaissance in force. They checked us for lice, checked us, and by the way, this later had extremely serious, fundamental consequences for American relations with Russia. Certainly positive for us. This is directly related to the action.

The second. The real geopolitical consequences of the conflict, including Russia's official recognition of the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, were de facto recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia by the protectorate of Russia (I mean recognition by our opponents) and de facto recognition of Georgia as an American protectorate . I want to note that even the current situation, the normalization of Russian-Georgian relations, which, as I have repeatedly said, is by all indications a Russian-American deal, this deal includes Russia's recognition of American interests in Georgia. If we take the situation the day before, then Abkhazia and Ossetia, and so de facto, were generally recognized by the Russian protectorate. De facto, not de jure, of course. But Russia did not in any way consider Georgia an American protectorate, but considered it the traditional zone of its special strategic interests.

That is, in principle, from a geopolitical point of view - this is a loss. This loss is connected with the absence of a built, secure, substantial and material policy of Russia in the post-Soviet space, including in Transcaucasia. That is, Russia practically dismantled its capabilities (I do not mean military capabilities: they were, we could quietly enter Tbilisi and actually change the regime there), it dismantled political opportunities to participate in internal Georgian politics.

Therefore, it can be said that it would be correct from the point of view of Russia to force Georgia not to peace, but to territorial unity. But it is clear that any coercion of Georgia to territorial unity is associated with a change in the political paradigm of Georgian politics. Because united Georgia can exist only in the context of Russia. The united Georgia has never existed, now it does not exist and will not exist without a direct Russian protectorate in one form or another, and the form is a separate question.

Third. The recognition of independence was the only truly politically possible way for the Russian leadership to guarantee the security of Abkhazia and South Ossetia under the legal regime under the conditions created. There were no other really obvious possibilities. This is a forced step. But at the same time, we must understand that dwarf pseudo-states create enormous problems, and not only the creator country, neighbors, or anyone else - they primarily create problems for themselves. And I, with the deepest respect for both the South Ossetians and Abkhazians and respecting their struggle, their ability to defend their land, their existence as peoples, I want to say that existence in the form of a pseudo-state, which is devoid of all possibilities of independent reproduction of itself as a state and as society - it absolutely corrupts. And this is our fault, because we have created the conditions under which this pseudo-sovereignty begins to be perceived by the elites as an instrument for solving some of their problems and tasks, including often to the detriment of Russia.

Let's be honest. There should be no independent Ossetia and Abkhazia, like many other dwarf formations - they are always puppets. This is the same as a Palestinian state, excuse me for a comparison that can never exist as an independent subject, but will always be the object of manipulation by various forces. I'm not talking about Israel - this is a separate problem, not entirely related to the above.

And finally, the fourth: the farther, the more. It is clear that everything that now exists in the Caucasus, in the Transcaucasus, and in general in the near-Russian space, is a palliative. This is an intermediate situation that cannot last for a long time: it is potentially unstable in itself, it is potentially vulnerable in itself and it must develop either to restore the unity of the post-Soviet space - that is, the historical Russian space, to restore a full-fledged imperial organism - or to the destruction of Russia . The destruction of Russia as a subject. It is quite possible the existence of some territories, administrative and territorial entities, one of which will be called Russia, but historically it will have nothing to do with Russia - in any sense: neither in territorial, nor in historical, nor in cultural, not even in ethnicity.
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  1. Zhenya
    Zhenya 9 August 2013 08: 12
    28
    In fact, everything is true.
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 9 August 2013 08: 37
      30
      But all the same, it was necessary to take advantage of the situation and "not bring Georgia to peace," but to change Georgia's regime from pro-American to pro-Russian. Show that the post-Soviet space is a zone of Russian interests, and not of "overseas friends."
      It was necessary to completely remove the "abscess", and not leave it in the form of a "permanent chronic sore" for many, many years.
      1. Zhenya
        Zhenya 9 August 2013 08: 50
        12
        The problem is how much "shit" there would be in the world after that, I would not be surprised if Medvedev was accused of genocide of the Georgian people and so on. As it seems to me, from that situation, they squeezed the maximum on the knife's edge.
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 9 August 2013 09: 24
          33
          In fact, in the world, no one cares about this false nobility, like: "Well, we did not change the regime, we are not at war with the Georgian peoples." The only thing that is valued in the world is POWER, rough, tough, sometimes even cruel ... if you have power, then they will listen to you, but because it will be difficult to argue with you, and therefore they will be afraid of you.
          And there is nothing worse than unfinished business, Tbilisi had to be taken (without a twinge of conscience) we would have been scolded just like we had scolded 5 years ago, we'd be pompous and weaned (where would they go), but then psycho Saakashvili (Shpilivili) would be hanged.

          PS And no matter what America would interfere, it simply would not, and that's all, because as the iPhone correctly noted a couple of days ago: "Because this is Russia, and you cannot quarrel with Russia."
          1. Max otto
            Max otto 9 August 2013 09: 41
            13
            The fact that they did not take Tbilisi is certainly a mistake. But this is evident now, and then the leaders doubted and were afraid of international reaction, including from NATO. And although this is a mistake, but in fact this conflict revealed that the United States is not the same and that it is no longer necessary to be afraid of it, but then it was not so obvious.
            1. Blackscorp
              Blackscorp 9 August 2013 10: 04
              21
              You are wrong, not everything is so simple and straightforward ... Tbilisi in no case had to be taken, because automatically we would become aggressors, with not predictable consequences, and not Georgians. But this is not good ... We don’t need to talk about the fact that we were already considered aggressors, because chatter and reality are different things ... We just showed the world that its determination, rightness and fundamental difference from Yusov’s order of decision problems (they would be 100% included in Tbilisi). And it’s not for nothing that Leont'ev says that it was from this moment that the attitude towards Russia in the world changed ....
              1. Duelist
                Duelist 9 August 2013 13: 09
                +4
                If the leadership did not chew on the snot, and immediately gave a decisive rebuff, then our guys would die less and P.I. Endosovskaya propaganda would not play such a political role. And everything would be decided by the force of a retaliatory strike - RETAIL with the displacement of MICHAEL. And as a result, Russia would gain political weight and world authority.
                He took up arms - shoot!
              2. eplewke
                eplewke 9 August 2013 13: 39
                +2
                I agree! Tbilisi is not worth taking. At first, the people would not understand Georgia. for them we would be another echo of Stalinism. And so they seem to support the people ...
              3. Max otto
                Max otto 9 August 2013 15: 04
                0
                Perhaps BUT ... Russia is always trying to save face and behave decently even with enemies. You don’t need to, you don’t even have to bother with this, I’m sure that if Russia changed the regime in Georgia, the authority would not have suffered, but on the contrary increased and would have been higher than the current one. It’s just that there weren’t enough excellent strategists to see the situation on the spot.
                1. smile
                  smile 9 August 2013 17: 00
                  +6
                  Max otto
                  Almost the entire political elite after the collapse of the Union came to power under Russophobian slogans. an entire generation under the same slogans has grown ... brought up under the strict Western guidance ... including all the significant politicians, the remnants of those disposed towards us were loyally cleansed .... if we brought our proteges to power, then they could sit only on our bayonets ... at the same time, even Georgians who were loyal to us would perceive us as enemies ... the whole society would rally against us ... are you offering us a permanent occupation of Georgia? With a non-healing hot spot, where will volunteers from all over the Caucasus and weapons from all over the world rush? You understand. that the whole Caucasus, including ours, would take up arms against us? Do you understand that we would also have to feed them? You understand. that in doing so, we would never have proved to anyone that the Georgians started the war? And take my word, a fight with the Georgian partisans in the mountains supported by the population (and the resources of half the planet, like in Agan) would be much harder than the destruction of their army ... can you imagine what this stupidity would cost us?
                  Sorry, but the impression is. that you are absolutely not able to calculate the consequences of certain actions ...

                  Sorry again, but the cons are mine. You suggest us not to try to save face. Our enemies are trying to do the same thing - by methods of psychological warfare, a loss in which is often no less difficult. than losing an ordinary war, remember the collapse of the Union, a very good example ...... because they have it all less successfully it turns out you decided to help? What for? Why make such a gift to your main likely friends and happily rush into a hole with stakes?
                  Our leadership already has enough real shoals, as reasons for justified criticism, to convince him of his success ... you don’t need to be a strategist to realize the malignity of your proposal ....
                  1. Max otto
                    Max otto 9 August 2013 18: 03
                    +5
                    You do not understand what I wanted to say. The fact is that all the actions of Russia comply or do not comply with international laws for a long time no one cares. What the owners will order is the opinion and will be voiced. The United States and the rest spit on everything under international law, they’re at least in the eye - they have their own truth and their own right, so why strain it? And under the hypothetical occupation of Georgia, all that was needed was to withdraw it from the US protectorate, give them by the choose your power and leave. And there, let them do what they want, and it is unlikely that the United States would return there. The local government, whatever it may be, has a memory - cleared once - cleared and a second time, so in any case they will be loyal to Russia. And the Caucasus will never unite, it’s all like rags, if it could unite, then the Abkhazians reconciled with the Ossetians and Georgians, the Armenians would give Karabakh to the Iserbadjans - science fiction is shorter. Russia should rely on international law only when it is beneficial to it, in all other cases it should be ignored. Yes, God, China and the US and the EU, and everyone else is doing it, there’s nothing to be a black sheep.

                    And as for the calculation of global processes, you honestly pleased me, I expressed an opinion and no more, that you do not agree, I understood that your arguments are also good, took into account (I’ve become smarter, and if I could do everything so well to calculate - yes, I would have already managed at least an area, well, or a factory.)
                  2. volkodav
                    volkodav 9 August 2013 21: 36
                    0
                    Quote: smile
                    permanent occupation of Georgia? With a non-healing hot spot, where will volunteers from all over the Caucasus and weapons from all over the world rush? You understand. that the whole Caucasus, including ours, would take up arms against us? Do you understand that we would also have to feed them? You understand. that in doing so, we would never have proved to anyone that the Georgians started the war? And take my word, a fight with the Georgian partisans in the mountains supported by the population (and the resources of half the planet, like in Agan) would be much harder than the destruction of their army ... can you imagine what this stupid thing would cost us?

                    Sorry, but you are saying stupidity, for example, Chechnya is the second company, squeezed into the mountains, and in principle an amba to the militants, (they didn’t give a leadership error, amnesty and the creation of national units not controlled by the center) In Georgia, land borders simply needed to be closed, and that’s all. And in the mountains, we already know how to fight (they would have let the Yamodayevites go there to the extreme, and their eyes would close on some of their pranks) laughing
                    1. smile
                      smile 10 August 2013 17: 03
                      0
                      volkodav
                      Okay. God be with you - I will not put you in your place for your first phrase ...
                      So, think, Georgia is much larger than the Czech Republic. the population is also larger at times. War resources would require much more. Strength and resources would be required more ... at times. In order to realize this, it is enough to have a minimum of knowledge ... Further. During operations in Chechnya, we had to block a very small section of the border with Georgia ... look at the map of Georgia ... what. need to chew something else? Excuse me, you yourself fought for blocking everyone with such ease, closing borders and destroying ... At the same time, imagine what resources will be thrown there by our probable friends .... sorry, but your military talents and quick conclusions cause laughter ...
                      I have great respect for the guys from the former Zapad battalion and with the same distrust of the other formations staffed by former militants ... but to speak. that they are not under the control of the center ... what an expert you are however ... by the way. remind you of that. what is the fate of the Yamadaev brothers and their children?
                      You know. before. what to write comments would be worth thinking about ... or else you’ll write smarts ... at least stand still. even fall ... :)))))
              4. yak69
                yak69 9 August 2013 15: 59
                +2
                Quote: BlackScorp
                Tbilisi in no case had to be taken, because automatically we would become aggressors with unpredictable consequences

                How long can this diplomatic prudence continue? Yes, and to hell with everyone (this whole world of civilized cannibals and perverts!) !! It is not appropriate for Russia to dance to someone’s tune or to do its own thing with an eye on all this Western evil. Ah, the consequences, ah, are not predictable! Everything is predictable long ago - the West is preparing Russia for slaughter and dismemberment, and we have two options: to die, kneel or win!
                In our victory, personally, I have no doubt for a moment. Because, Russia is the core of human civilization and without it, humanity will turn into humanoid demons. No one in the world is able to withstand (in spirit) all this world government. Russia will fall, humanity will end!
                Therefore, there is nothing to fear, it is necessary to prepare for a decisive battle, returning one bridgehead after another along the way. Georgia (Azerbaijan, Armenia, Central Asia, Ukraine, Moldova, Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Finland, the Baltic states, Alaska) is our territory. So, for all of the republics listed, it’s enough to build a whole from itself and it is necessary to build in a queue: to give up and return. Moreover, the majority of citizens of these countries are not against, but FOR!

                I support the position of Natalia - we must resolutely take all the eggs into our (Russian labor) hands!
                1. smile
                  smile 9 August 2013 17: 27
                  +1
                  yak69
                  You believe that an unceasing burning point is on the territory of Georgia. fueled by volunteers from all over the Caucasus and weapons, money, instructors of all American mongrels, accompanied by all the delights of guerrilla warfare in the mountains, would it really help us? Would spending on this war and supporting the entire population of Georgia greatly help our economy? Or the fact that all our friends and all the wavering ones would recoil from us, and that absolute international isolation would do us good? Or the fact that the American puppets would have rallied (and it would have been just like that, just like in Avgan) and even not quite their allies under the aegis of the striped ones would have helped us a lot in the "last battle"? You surprised me ...
                  We need to return our influence and strength ... but acting with idiotic methods, rushing to the whole world and we just ask ... and the rest ... Russia was only able to become so Great and just big that we practically did not conquer anyone, we ACCEPTED peoples to themselves. and did not capture them and did not force them to friendship by force .... there is such a banal saying - you will not be cute forcibly ... to fool a woman, you don’t need to beat her in the face and twist her arms ... you need to make an effort to to become interesting for her ... and then create conditions under which she will come to the conclusion that she "cannot live without you" ... :))) in the case of countries, it cannot be taken literally .... I am even ashamed to explain to you such a trivial thing ... and you should still be waving an ax ... we’re taking care of ourselves, we have to be thinner ...
                  1. volkodav
                    volkodav 9 August 2013 21: 44
                    0
                    Quote: smile
                    You believe that an unceasing burning point on the territory of Georgia. Fueled by volunteers from all over the Caucasus and weapons, money, instructors of all American mongrel, accompanied by all the charms of a guerrilla war in the mountains would we really help?

                    Excuse me again past the checkout, where it is easier to hammer in Georgia or Dagestan? why fight on their own territory would drive them to Georgia and the Tambov would quietly soak them-even tornadoes, even though the Iskander-alien land and not their civilian population. It may be rude, but it’s better from the tactical side, well, to connect Georgia to Chechnya with the head of the republic Kadyrov to the extreme, let them explain to him that not a man is not a man laughing
                    1. smile
                      smile 10 August 2013 17: 11
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                      volkodav
                      And why did you decide. that one hot spot in Dagestan is much worse. what is it _ + Georgia ... + four and a half million people ... you would have fought in all the old hot spots with the bandit underground multiply and quantitatively and qualitatively enhanced + with a four-million population with massive help from abroad ... once again convinced that you ... to put it mildly, amateur ... I am very soft ... after that, your arguments about tactics and a fantastically stupid proposal to annex Georgia to Chechnya .... cause pity ... to you ... .sorry. I do not want to offend you, but it does not fit into any framework ... :)))))
                      1. valerii41
                        valerii41 10 August 2013 19: 02
                        0
                        The joy of such a union is a huge financial "black hole". Such was the case in the Soviet Union, Transcaucasia, the Baltic countries, and we forgave everyone the weighty Afro-Asian complex. For some reason we returned the debt to the countries of Eastern Europe
                  2. yak69
                    yak69 10 August 2013 00: 08
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                    Quote: smile
                    and you’d have to wave everything with an ax ... we’ll need to be thinner ....

                    And where did you read that I call for "swinging an ax" ?! Maybe you were confused by the tone of my commentary? Yes, it is written assertively (but not aggressively). Calling for the return of lost footholds does not mean outright conquest. There is such a thing as Expansion. It can be different - economic, cultural, political, military (last but not least!).
                    And then, what does it mean "you won't be nice by force?" Do you think that in the republics I have listed there are not enough of those who wish to recreate a single socialist space (with a somewhat modernized model)? According to my estimates (from various sources) from 35 to 75% !! And this is a lot.
                    And there is no need to "cheat" anyone. We will get rid of traitors in the Government in Russia, we will establish a decent life and everyone around will reach out on their own.
                    And I’m not saying anywhere that this is simultaneous and in a couple of years. Speaking my words, I mean the next 10-20 years.
                    In a word, you simply did not understand ME. They saw what they wanted to see.
                    Quote: smile
                    one must be thinner ....
                    1. yak69
                      yak69 10 August 2013 11: 36
                      +2
                      Quote: yak69
                      all our friends and all hesitating would have recoiled from us

                      What are these "our friends"? Aren't they the ones that Putin always remembers - "our American friends"? And what kind of "friends" are they, they recoiled a little. Nah we are such "druzzya" !!
                      Quote: yak69
                      Absolute international isolation would benefit us?

                      Russia always alone confronts this whole demonic west. Who supported us when (except morally)? We fight the whole story alone, and even help others!

                      All strong in spirit are alone
                      Crowds of unsettled run away
                      Alone in the hills burn the lights
                      The veils of darkness are torn apart.

                      AA Blok
                      1. smile
                        smile 10 August 2013 17: 29
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                        yak69
                        No matter how you relate to Pu, you cannot but admit. what exactly bad Putin is the main obstacle to American expansion .... and all the leaders of the mattress. pouring mud on it. through the teeth recognize this ...
                        And friends are the leaders of all the former republics with whom we are building relationships. suspecting. that we will try to bend them in a flash will break into friends to the striped ... if not already on their hook ....
                        A poetry is a masterpiece and to the place, here! :))) Thank you .. +
                    2. smile
                      smile 10 August 2013 17: 19
                      0
                      yak69
                      Okay ... let me be led astray by your tonality ... and some words ... :)))
                      Just please do not write that I wanted to see something ... probably I know better my desires ... :))) well, so. I absolutely honestly declare to you, I did not want to see that. what I saw ... :)))
                      And with the creeping expansion, I agree ...
                      It would be interesting to learn about the sources that up to 75 percent of the population of the republics wants to reunite with us and restore the Union ... unfortunately, in my opinion, this is not so ... a quarter century of propaganda has not disappeared without a trace ... alas ...
                      1. yak69
                        yak69 11 August 2013 00: 25
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                        Quote: smile
                        It would be interesting to learn about the sources that up to 75 percent of the population of the republics wants to reunite with us and restore the Union ...

                        Well, here, again! In different republics, different percentages wanting reunion. I emphasize that it is this conscious desire. In addition, there are still sympathetic to us, but there are still hesitant and indifferent. In Ukraine and Belarus - up to 75% consciously want reunion, then in descending order. But they are, these consciously willing! And this is the main point. You can rely on them. And most importantly, our own example. We will bring the real patriot of the country to power, we will establish our own life together and we won’t even have to campaign - all the neighbors themselves will voluntarily be drawn into the orbit of our influence.
                        About the sources. They are different. Formal, official, backstage, confidential, informal (personal meetings, trips).
                        Quote: smile
                        bad Putin is the main obstacle to American expansion ...

                        This is not entirely true. I think the main obstacle to the entire liberal infection is we - Russian citizens, whose opinion no authority can ignore. And if Putin does not change his domestic policy towards REAL concern for the national welfare, then his chances will be rapidly reduced.
                        For me, his confusion and confusion - where to go, with whom to go and who to rely on - are quite obvious. All these clumsy attempts to consolidate society: the popular front, support for the All-Russian Parents' Assembly (against juvenile justice), a departure from leadership in United Russia, etc. His return of some Soviet developments - the TRP, Hero of Labor, etc.
                        He cannot but understand that “the capitalist caftan turned out to be too small for Russia” (words spoken by one oligarch (!!) in a personal conversation in early 2005). And he have to make a choice of the Way. For me, his choice is already obvious, BUT ..rad would be in paradise, but sins are not allowed. Therefore, they are searching for a new, old fulcrum.
                        Personally, I’m ready to support him if he clearly proclaims his final choice (with clear rules of the game, binding for all).
                  3. valerii41
                    valerii41 10 August 2013 19: 23
                    0
                    Pan smail, I worked with Tajiks, Armenians, Georgians very much criticize Russians. What is 3 shifts, it turns out that the Russians worked in these countries, and these high cultures were listed in enterprises and received a salary, women came to work to scratch their tongues and receive an advance payment and pay, this is in the USSR. One Tajik was angry in Turkey, he learned to hang drywall on a profile, here it is not respected, Russians are also hung up, they did not study in Turkey. To such brothers in the teahouse to drive teas and five times a day prays to have a luxurious car and four Russian "DEUSHEK" with higher education
              5. Dante Alighieri
                Dante Alighieri 9 August 2013 17: 25
                -3
                Unfortunately, from the point of view of international law, today we are the aggressors, which is confirmed by the presence of Russian military formations on the territory of a sovereign state - Georgia, due to the fact that neither North Ossetia nor Abkhazia were recognized by the international community as sovereign state formations. In this connection, a difficult and, I would even say, frightening situation has developed ... At any time, sanctions can be applied to the Russian Federation, by "compulsion to peace" (which can vary from an economic boycott, to ala unmanned zone and other other types military attack), and those who want to fulfill them, believe me, will always be found. Another question: when will this delayed-action mine detonate? In all likelihood, our most conventional of the conditional adversaries does not need this yet (maybe we should say thank you to China for this?), But when the entire rich mechanism of international relations is needed, purely de jure, it will be on its side. Anyone who supports Russia (imagine that such a state X still exists) will automatically be recognized as a supporter of the aggressor and will share the fate of our long-suffering Fatherland, or will end up as an outcast (how else with supporters of war ???) on the outskirts of international relations (as political and economic), which in the modern global world means, in fact, the imposition of the same death sentence, only stretched out in time. But this is all just an option
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 9 August 2013 17: 34
                  +2
                  Tales of the Vienna Forest. Northern Cyprus, Kosovo ... No one is even rocking.
                2. svp67
                  svp67 9 August 2013 17: 37
                  +3
                  Quote: Dante
                  At any time, sanctions can be applied to the Russian Federation, by "compulsion to peace" (which can vary from an economic boycott, to ala unmanned zones and other types of military attacks), and believe me, there will always be those who want to execute them.
                  In this reality, this is not feasible. And not only because of the presence of powerful strategic missile forces in our country, but also because Russia is very closely tied to the economies of many countries, especially those bordering us ...
            2. Papakiko
              Papakiko 9 August 2013 11: 17
              +2
              Quote: Max Otto
              but actually this conflict revealed that the USA is not the same, and that it is no longer necessary to be afraid of them

              And who is afraid of them or was afraid, with the exception of dwarf states?
              You look at the globe and it’s clear to see who is the boss and the mongrels, and who, from the largest bell tower, finally spit on their "rotten" performances.
              The question here is exclusively in meat, namely, who is ready and ready to sacrifice what.
            3. Poprobui
              Poprobui 9 August 2013 11: 42
              +4
              Uv Max Otto, the United States has always been like that and they will always be like that ^ Honduras ^ and they are only afraid of such corrupt TV-a-ri like saak political forgive --- here --- ka
            4. Poprobui
              Poprobui 9 August 2013 11: 42
              0
              Uv Max Otto, the United States has always been like that and they will always be like that ^ Honduras ^ and they are only afraid of such corrupt TV-a-ri like saak political forgive --- here --- ka
            5. bilgesez
              bilgesez 9 August 2013 20: 53
              +1
              You not only need to feed Chechnya to the Ingushetia of the Dugs, but also these freaks. Well, let them try to contain themselves.
          2. yurii p
            yurii p 9 August 2013 09: 46
            29 th
            I want the 3rd world.
            1. kostiknet
              kostiknet 9 August 2013 11: 01
              28
              Quote: yurii p
              I want the 3rd world.

              Dear friend, have you ever been hit by a bullet? Have you ever seen how your friend's shit is flowing down his pants from pain shock, and no one is laughing about it? Hunt to play war? Just do not forget that war is, first of all, FEAR, PAIN, DIRT (I don’t say about the desire to devour) and DEATH (yours, your friends, relatives and friends) This is not a shooter, there is no "escape". Think what you're talking about, gamer unfinished. It's not for you to drive nubyo in "Warface".
              1. soaring
                soaring 9 August 2013 13: 22
                +3
                kostiknet, to you +++++++++ I agree completely !!!!
            2. eplewke
              eplewke 9 August 2013 13: 42
              +1
              as Einstein said: "I do not know what they will fight in the 3rd world war, but the fourth one is definitely with sticks and stones."
              The 3rd world earth will certainly not survive ... on a planetary scale ...
          3. silver_roman
            silver_roman 9 August 2013 11: 20
            16
            I can’t unequivocally agree with you on the capture of Tbilisi.
            For example, during the five-day war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, combat alert was raised at airfields in Turkey, i.e. essentially it was a well-thought-out plan that had a kind of red line. Then Putin met with Bush Jr. in China at the Olympics and discussed this issue not officially, without cameras. Those. certain meetings were held, decisions were made on the basis of certain facts that allowed the Russian Federation to do what we did. It is not clear what would happen if we went further.
            Then syshya had not yet bombed Libya, there was nothing at all on the account of Syria, i.e. NATO’s entire war machine focused on this conflict. Although very little time has passed, but then the Russian Federation did not yet feel as confident as it is now, although now there are many obstacles.
            This whole situation can also be perceived as a provocation. Our army was simply not ready for serious conflicts. In addition, I’m sure that if we stayed in the same Tbilisi, then various radical currents would be driven into Georgia from all over the world (as now in Syria) and the conflict could drag on indefinitely, like what happened in Chechnya. And this would certainly not be at hand for us.
            Now the situation has changed.
            First, the Syshua's reputation has fallen dramatically, as has their resolve in terms of military action. Now they are bogged down in several conflicts that are "sucking" her from the inside. In addition, now the states depend on the Russian Federation in terms of the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, i.e. the Russian Federation now has certain levers to influence the enemy. Putin is very sensitive to the slightest changes in geopolitics and knows how, like no one else, to choose the moment for certain actions. In 2008, Medvedev was at the helm, who, in principle, merged Libya.
            Bottom line: little has changed after 5 years externally, but both within our country and in the structure of NATO, their economy and stability as a whole, certain factors have surfaced that give the Russian Federation the opportunity to maneuver: this is also ties to China - its support Orientation to Asia, which gives a certain independence and gives strength to our sovereignty, this is the weakening of the economies of Europe, this is the case with Snowden, which became a kind of litmus test in relations with Syshya. all the main events that will still play a leading role in the life of the planet (I’m not afraid of this statement) are still ahead and what started in Georgia was the beginning of a global shift, which will come back to light!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 August 2013 11: 46
              +8
              Quote: silver_roman
              For example, during the five-day war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, combat alert was raised at airfields in Turkey, i.e. in fact it was a well-thought-out plan that had a kind of red line

              The game is worth the candle when it's worth it. Nobody would turn Ankara or Washington to ashes for the sake of Sakashvilli.
              Quote: silver_roman
              In 2008, Medvedev stood at the helm, which in principle leaked Libya.

              It’s strange in Libya that Medvedev is an eccentric, but smart in Georgia. Do you seriously believe that such decisions are made personally without consultation with all the security forces? A general decision was made, and Medvedev’s guilt was only that he was the head of state at that time.
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 9 August 2013 12: 19
                +3
                Nobody would turn Ankara or Washington to ashes for the sake of Sakashvilli.

                I am almost sure that the strategic nuclear forces, both here and among the NATO countries, were put on high alert. so that the ashes would envelop the whole globe.

                It’s strange in Libya that Medvedev is an eccentric, but smart in Georgia. Do you seriously believe that such decisions are made personally without consultation with all the security forces?


                I can say in support of my words that this is not only my point of view on the account of D.A. Medvedev. The issue of Georgia itself was resolved much higher than Medvedev’s competence, since the conflict has matured under the belly of the Russian Federation.
                Unfortunately I can not find the video with Leonid Grigoryevich Ivashov. there he spoke very clearly about the role of Medvedev. Apparently removed.
                In addition, what do you think was the reason for the delay of the Russian troops in the operation to force Georgia to peace ??? And it was Putin who flew to Ossetia and saw everything with his own eyes. It’s somehow strange, don’t find that the Prime Minister - Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation takes such an active part in geopolitics.
                So "Medvedev is a good fellow in Georgia" is an extremely controversial point.
                Besides, what is the difference between the situation in Syria and the situation in Libya ??? the motives are the same, but the decisions on the part of the Russian Federation are completely different. The reason is that we have "seen the true face of the West" ??? nonsense ... everyone always knew his true face. It's about determination.

                A general decision was made, and Medvedev’s guilt was only that he was the head of state at that time.

                but with this you are the point. Many lives of Ossetians could be saved ...

                ps everything said is my subjective (!) opinion.
                it’s hard for me personally to say anything, I proceed from that. that I see and do not claim that this is a fact. the true reasons are deep under the heading Top Secret and we are not destined to learn them in the next 50 years.
              2. aksakal
                aksakal 9 August 2013 23: 48
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                A general decision was made, and Medvedev’s guilt was only that he was the head of state at that time.
                - No, there are a bunch of COMBAT generals who participated in the conflict on 08.08.08, well, the same Y. Baluyevsky, spoke extremely UNLIKELY about Medvedev in that situation. Indecision, frank confusion, or even fear on the face (the hand does not rise to write "on the face", does not deserve it). There, the peacekeepers from the Castle are being killed, and his veins are shaking to make a decision am am The generals directly report that until Putin arrived from the Beijing Olympics and did not give out kicks, no one wanted to make a decision. The Supreme Commander-in-Chief at that time was primarily TRUSIL.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                A general decision was made, and Medvedev’s guilt was only that he was the head of state at that time.
                - what nafig the general decision here? You read more often Medvedev, he will soon agree and to the point that it was he who made the fateful decision to punish Mishiko laughing But I believe Baluyevsky, he’s retired, there’s no need to lie to him, he’s directly informed, and with a fair amount of self-criticism, he also honestly admitted that it was scary, and suddenly it was all on purpose and the amers found a reason to start a war against Russia , such as stand up for the tiny, but such courageous Georgia! So there’s no general solution, everything is on Putin’s kicks.
                1. Normal
                  Normal 10 August 2013 00: 58
                  0
                  Quote: aksakal
                  You read more often Medvedev

                  After his words began to "cast in granite" how can you doubt ??? laughing
            2. Skiff-2
              Skiff-2 9 August 2013 15: 04
              +6
              In addition to the alarm at the Turkish airbases, one must remember that NATO ships entered the Black Sea (under twenty pennants). Nobody wanted to fight, especially for Georgia, but they showed solidarity. The reciprocal step of Russia was a campaign of a detachment of ships led by the atomic "Peter the Great" with a call to Syria, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and further to Venezuela, the leaders of Latin American countries arrived in Moscow demonstrating solidarity, and how much noise was made by the flight of our Tu-160s to Venezuela ... When the "Arab Spring" began, it was not at all surprising that it brought down only those regimes that showed solidarity with Russia in 2008, precisely those countries where our ships' detachment went on that famous campaign. Yes, the West understood - this is Russia, it is impossible to fight with it, but to their surprise, we had "allies" and even if in quotation marks, they supported us and the West took on them, and they understood from the example of South Ossetia and Abkhazia that Russia friends does not leave. Since then, Russia's authority has been growing, as has its military power, but the international robbery perpetrated by the United States and NATO under the slogan of democracy has revealed the true guise of ORDINARY FASCISM. But as long as Russia is alive, people have hope.
              1. Theophanes
                Theophanes 9 August 2013 17: 26
                +2
                That's right. But those who blame DAM for the death of peacekeepers as well as the destruction of Libya and the war in Syria are right. If he had not surrendered to Libya, the Arab spring would have drowned in its own shit. And so almost the entire Middle East is on fire. Even worse, a war can begin between faiths, Kurds and Turks, Kurds and Iraq, Kurds and Syria, Kurds and Iran (?). Great Kurdestan may arise, Armenia will return historical Ararat, Azerbaijan to the southern provinces and Karabakh (?), And Turkey (NATO) will lose everything. That is why the United States retreat from Syria and sent to the Far. They did their job: a bonfire burns in the Middle; it is necessary to set fire to the Far. Georgia 08.08.08 is the first serve.
          4. aksakal
            aksakal 9 August 2013 15: 01
            +1
            Quote: Natalia
            The only thing that is valued in the world is STRENGTH, rude, tough, sometimes even cruel ... if you have the strength it means that they will reckon with you, they will listen to you, but because it will be difficult to argue with you, and you will be afraid of it.

            - And it speaks a woman laughing Usually women verb on the topic “there is strength - no mind!”, “Such things are typical for men, women work more subtly” and something (other nonsense) like that. And the truth is that some of the women, including Natalya, for which I deeply respect her, know how to see and state the facts against which I WILL NOT ALLOW! And the facts - yes, they are! - you have the strength, and you are on a horse! Yes, even if you just have stupid physical strength and no brains - even in this case, absolutely everyone is already talking to you, even the one who secretly uses you, and he does not sleep peacefully, because he is afraid that suddenly it will come to you (or who will ) that you are being used! The consequences of t will come on unauthorized "use" immediately, and this is very hard laughing wassat And here’s the summary - always be strong, no matter what - whether in character, in spirit, just physically - this is the third thing, the main thing - always BE STRONG. And then everything you need is always there - it will fall into your own hands, because you cannot help but give the strong one.
          5. kanevsvv
            kanevsvv 10 August 2013 19: 23
            0
            Theoretically, I agree with you, but in practice such a scenario would mean: "aggressors" are guaranteed from outside, "liberals" inside the howling, in Georgia there are variants of various and long-term resistance. At that time, we could not afford this, but now, when comparing Yugoslavia - South Ossetia, Libya - Syria, the trump cards are collected in our hands. Let's look slowly, the Caucasus will always be a zone of our influence
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 9 August 2013 09: 14
        19
        Quote: vladimirZ
        But all the same, it was necessary to take advantage of the situation and "not bring Georgia to peace," but to change Georgia's regime from pro-American to pro-Russian.


        To do this, you must be a Russian commander such as Suvorov or Stalin. And not Serdyukov and the ruler at that moment
      3. yurii p
        yurii p 9 August 2013 09: 43
        +2
        then they would have received a second Chechnya, only with official NATO support, with subsequent conclusions.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 August 2013 11: 48
          +6
          Quote: yurii p
          then they would get a second Chechnya,

          Well, yes, and would get bogged down in street battles in Tbilisi. So I represent the Georgian choir, bravely fighting with the airborne regiment and the Chechens from the east laughing
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 9 August 2013 12: 25
            +1
            and what makes you so amused or surprised ???
            or do you think that in Syria government troops are fighting with the people - fighters for democracy ????
            history shows that everything would be according to a scenario similar to Chechnya. Thousands of militants would infiltrate Georgia from Turkey. the Georgian choir would be at a dance and featured purely on the cameras of the Western media, complaining about the occupation of the Russian Federation, their atrocities and the killing of the peaceful, innocent population of Georgia, South Ossetia.
            1. volkodav
              volkodav 9 August 2013 22: 04
              0
              in vain do you hesitate, Tiflis was seen in the 8th binoculars by our fathers commanders, got a little lost laughing
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 12 August 2013 17: 13
                0
                Something I did not quite understand your message. too subtle humor ...
          2. eplewke
            eplewke 9 August 2013 13: 46
            0
            I think if they would quickly take Tbilisi, as they say, a late shooter. NATO would no longer intervene on the military side. They would crush the level of world isolation. hello again the iron curtain ...
          3. svp67
            svp67 9 August 2013 22: 13
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, yes, and would get bogged down in street battles in Tbilisi.

            Haha Who then could organize the running army? Although, of course, a certain rise in national identity would be present. But no more than that ... It just was not profitable for Russia, not in what form.
            1. valerii41
              valerii41 10 August 2013 09: 47
              0
              The Georgians were cowardly at first puffed, and ours were smashing and running through the bush themselves by nature duplicitous
        2. valerii41
          valerii41 9 August 2013 20: 14
          +1
          It’s just that criminal Georgian diaspora multiplied like cockroaches in Russia, even now there are enough of these bandits
      4. melan
        melan 9 August 2013 12: 34
        +1
        Perhaps you are right. It’s just not known what would happen when we entered Tbilisi. In the short term, all is well, Saakashvili’s hated pro-American regime is overthrown by force. I think this would find support among 50% (my estimation) of the Georgian population at that time. And what to do with the other part? In the long run, civil war and hatred of Russia?
        And the reaction of America unfortunately can not be ignored. They, if not by explicit intervention, so monetary, would certainly have undermined the situation.
        1. svp67
          svp67 9 August 2013 12: 38
          +1
          Quote: melan
          Perhaps you are right. It’s just not known what would happen when we entered Tbilisi.
          As it is not known - it is also known that Russia would have received a HUGE FOREIGN POLITICAL PROBLEM, this action would have for us "one hundred thousand" - "" and ten "+"
        2. edge
          edge 9 August 2013 13: 24
          +1
          Quote: melan
          In the short term, all is well, Saakashvili’s hated pro-American regime is overthrown by force.

          not everything is so simple: on the example of Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland, Romania after the Second World War we saw the attitude to the given, force, regimes: regime change operations should be carried out gradually, so that people would think this is their choice. Not without reason, the Amerisos organized school of dictators .....
      5. eplewke
        eplewke 9 August 2013 13: 35
        0
        Zhirinovsky’s dream * to ban under Tbilisi ... laughing
      6. S-200
        S-200 9 August 2013 14: 07
        +3
        Unfortunately, the Georgians perceived the change of Saakashvili's regime "on Russian bayonets" at that time extremely hostile ...
        For many years, impoverished Georgia would become a "very expensive nightmare" for Russia with incomprehensible prospects - much worse than Chechnya ...
        And so - a good dentition, annexation of part of the territory ...
        Demonstrative flogging of presumptuous militant winemakers.
        Visual lesson for EVERYONE!
      7. Raptor75
        Raptor75 9 August 2013 17: 33
        0
        Unfortunately, we constantly look back - and what will the West say? It was not enough to beat this will, then squalor, like the then prez, was not capable of it.
        The abscess will be pulled out, just everything has its time.
    2. domokl
      domokl 9 August 2013 09: 43
      +2
      Quote: Marrying
      In fact, everything is true.

      But I noticed some inconsistencies. This is my opinion.
      Firstly, about the reaction of the West and the USA. I agree with the fact that they checked us. But the rest? They really threatened us. Yes, they did. They threatened seriously. The NATO flew seriously and the Yusov fleet was sticking out in the Black Sea for a reason.
      Secondly, if Russia continued the database on the territory of Georgia, then we would automatically take full responsibility for the blood of death. We would get a second Chechnya without winning anything. And only in this way could we change the president.
      and thirdly, I consider the negotiations on the creation of a single Caucasian republic, or a single Caucasian region to be separatist. By uniting the Caucasus we will get not a region of the Russian Federation, but a new country. And this country will really fight for independence. Not only from us, but from everyone else. ..And this is new blood.
      It seems to me that Leontyev, in order to please our great-power self-consciousness, today played on the side of the opponents of the unity of Russia.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 9 August 2013 11: 28
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        By uniting the Caucasus we get not a region of the Russian Federation, but a new country

        Categorically true at 100500%.
        Quote: domokl
        And this country will really fight for independence. Not only from us, but from everyone else ...

        This is your deepest error!
        First of all, the "democrats" will give them free-of-charge and free of charge weapons and weapons for a couple of billions of dollars, and all this "hop-team" from the mountains will rush to the neighbors. Although this does not depend on whether they will give or not.
        And who are the neighbors?
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 9 August 2013 12: 28
        +3
        I fully support your point of view.
        The truth is like the fleet of Yusovites was stopped by the Turks on Basfor (oddly enough). Apparently understood that the conflict could develop into a global clash. By the way, an extremely wise decision on their part.
    3. SPACE
      SPACE 9 August 2013 09: 46
      +9
      Quote: Marrying
      In fact, everything is true

      Good comparison with chain dogs. "They" generally have many different chain dogs, there are bulldogs, Dobermans, and there are all sorts of mongrel, from thoroughbred Yorkshire terriers to rootless mongrels, some more, others less, who have a longer chain, and who has a short leash, one on a silver saucer meat they put them, they throw bones to others or live on the pasture ...
      Since the 90s, the bear, the owner of the forest, has fallen, the roofing felts have died, the roofing felts have fallen asleep and decided "the owner of the prairies" to check whether it is already possible to walk into the forest, chose the most worthless and stupid dog, they will not eat a great loss, so they let it down ... I bit it, yes only woke the bear ...
      We have everything in accordance with traditions, “until the thunder strikes, the man does not cross himself”.
      Z.Y. Russia is a country living according to Newton’s third law, but they don’t teach physics to see beyond the hill ...
    4. 1976AG
      1976AG 9 August 2013 11: 10
      +3
      True only from a private point of view. This is a foreign policy issue, and here one cannot but calculate the options for international reaction. And the reaction would be much tougher. And it is not known how much. Remember how many accusations were spilled on Russia! But there we were 100% right and we had all the evidence of the truth. As a result, they made a noise, but were forced to shut up. But the force change of the leadership of Georgia is a completely different matter! So, I believe that what has been done is the only right option in that situation.
  2. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 9 August 2013 08: 13
    +8
    Clear, simple, logical. There is a lack of analysis of the necessary actions to restore the empire.
    1. elmi
      elmi 9 August 2013 08: 21
      14
      Quote: Mikhail M
      . There is a lack of analysis of the necessary actions to restore the empire.

      I don’t understand why the authorities refuse to annex Abkhazia and South Ossetia? because they themselves are asking for a part of Russia, or are we so afraid of the reaction of the West? Spit on them. In tsarist times and under the USSR, Russia tried to expand its territory, while our government so far has only given territory.
      1. Blackscorp
        Blackscorp 9 August 2013 08: 51
        14
        No one will ever openly say about the necessary actions, this will give our geopolitical opponents a reason to declare the "imperial policy of Russia", we do not need it .... And that is why Russia is not now joining South Ossetia and Abkhazia, as you wish. ... The plans of the Russian leadership, it seems to me, are much farther and deeper ... There is a time for everything ... If this is done now, then it will be limited to these accessions, because, in this case, Russia will show its claims on the restoration of historical Russia within the borders close to the borders of the USSR ... Do not rush History ... You need to hurry slowly ... In such a case, one wrong, hasty step can throw everything off for decades ...
        1. kartalovkolya
          kartalovkolya 9 August 2013 09: 28
          +1
          It is very correctly noticed: you need to hurry slowly, especially in such a serious matter!
        2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
          GELEZNII_KAPUT 9 August 2013 10: 18
          +1
          Yes, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, this is one of the levers of influence on Georgia, you want a reunion, let's go to our hut! And having chopped them off from Georgia and joining Russia, we won’t get any consensus. hi
      2. Nick
        Nick 9 August 2013 09: 29
        +1
        Quote: elmi
        I don’t understand why the authorities refuse to annex Abkhazia and South Ossetia? because they themselves are asked to be part of Russia,

        As for South Ossetia, you are right, but not everything is so simple with Abkhazia ...
        1. d_trader
          d_trader 9 August 2013 13: 10
          +5
          I agree. Abkhazia has a lot of ambitions lately. One real estate fuss is worth it. As they say, I myself will not give it to others and I will not give it to others .. Like a dog in the manger. Maybe someone will say and correctly why should they give out to anyone? As in Thailand, non-residents do not have the right to purchase real estate, but then Thailand, from Abkhazia, I think is not the option to wander around. They need to raise the economy, and there, frankly, as it was after the war, everything remained. Cafes and private lodges of the hotel do not count; you cannot collect a lot of taxes from them, all the more so since they are scanty. But they receive a pension from Russia. The Russians living there can not even issue a testament on real estate for their children from Russia, they put obstacles or simply do not pay attention. As individually, take and talk so all the hospitable darlings, but if you live there a little while, as the essence begins to appear with a rotten darling.
          1. valerii41
            valerii41 9 August 2013 21: 22
            0
            In Abkhazia, an unclear porridge is being cooked. Old Russians will die young. Run away to Russia. People apparently not accurate. This should not be our problem
      3. Russ69
        Russ69 9 August 2013 09: 43
        +2
        Quote: elmi
        I don’t understand why the authorities refuse to annex Abkhazia and South Ossetia? because they themselves are asking for a part of Russia, or are we so afraid of the reaction of the West?

        Not all at once, for this it is necessary to achieve, at least a recognition of independence, and then talk about connection.
      4. domokl
        domokl 9 August 2013 09: 48
        +5
        Quote: elmi
        I don’t understand why the authorities refuse to annex Abkhazia and South Ossetia?

        Yes, simply because these countries are not legally recognized by the UN, which means that their entry into the Russian Federation will be interpreted as the seizure of Georgian territories.
        Until the issue of joining the UN is resolved, it is not possible and dangerous for Russia. We will become just an aggressor in the eyes of Western inhabitants, and the same Georgians too.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 9 August 2013 10: 16
          +4
          Quote: domokl
          Until the UN resolves the issue

          Or until the UN completely discredits itself, as it happened in its time with the League of Nations
          1. domokl
            domokl 9 August 2013 10: 30
            +5
            Quote: Misantrop
            Or until the UN completely discredits itself

            Here the dog is buried. Already, the UN has become the voice of the West .. A kind of dog that barks only on command from one side. But there are countries in the UN Security Council that can block such barking.
            So the task is to force these countries to leave the UN, thereby turning it into nothing. And untying the hands of everyone and everything.
            Doesn’t resemble the League of Nations?
            I’ll say more. The situation, if you project it into history, of the 1938 model of the year. Europe-North Africa and Asia. The rest is one to one. Only this UN still exists ...
      5. 1976AG
        1976AG 9 August 2013 11: 16
        +1
        This is best done when more states recognize their independence. Russia's policy should be independent, but not thoughtless.
      6. silver_roman
        silver_roman 9 August 2013 12: 31
        0
        I guess. that such a goal is on the agenda. just too early. let it cool over the ocean. they are already offended now, soon they will choke from the foam from the mouth because of our insult laughing
      7. valerii41
        valerii41 9 August 2013 21: 27
        +1
        Let them be good neighbors than masters in your house, We have enough Armenians, Georgians and Azeri with Tajiks in our house
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 9 August 2013 09: 45
      +6
      Quote: Mikhail M
      Lack of analysis of the necessary actions to restore the empire
      Perhaps for the reason that with the then leadership there was no question about this. An empire is needed for an empire. Can you imagine D.I. Medvedev in this role? lol
      1. Sour
        Sour 9 August 2013 14: 39
        +2
        I remember the empire, it was called the USSR. Then Georgia lived an order of magnitude better than Russia. And now the opposite. And this strongly pushes me away from the idea of ​​reviving the empire. It is necessary not a hundred, but a thousand times to think whether to revive it. And if so, to what extent.
  3. pensioner
    pensioner 9 August 2013 08: 13
    14
    But - he was sitting on the American chain, and only the owner could lower him from the chain, he Saakashvili did not manage the chain.
    Still, Leontiev can print! So much so that the whole train will last.
    1. yurii p
      yurii p 9 August 2013 09: 50
      +2
      but this is a correct definition, since all state structures of Georgia received salaries from the state budget.
  4. Bort radist
    Bort radist 9 August 2013 08: 14
    +5
    "This loss is connected with the absence of a well-built, secure, substantive and material policy of Russia in the post-Soviet space, including in the Transcaucasia."
    Here in this part I disagree. Czech Republic, Bulgaria, East Germany. Only after gaining complete freedom, you begin to understand how much has lost. PS Contradictions are reliable in that, and you can like it.
  5. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 9 August 2013 08: 16
    16
    Leontiev, do not make noise! Abkhazia and Yu. Ossetia will be part of Russia a little time, because they exist thanks to Russia, and so it is clear.
    What about Sake, so that interview gave out about the bloodthirsty Putin and again did not forget to lick in one place in the United States. Maybe Oleg will post it today.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 9 August 2013 08: 25
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Eontiev, do not make noise! Abkhazia and Yu. Ossetia will be part of Russia a little time, because they exist thanks to Russia, and so it is clear.

      Although I do not like Leontiev, for his obsequiousness and with his conclusions we can partially agree, but Romanov is right and plus to him.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 9 August 2013 08: 47
      18
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      What about Sake, so that interview gave


      About the fifth column in Russia

      Sasha we have one military "prophet" - Pasha Felgenhauer, a small fry, but smelly. As soon as she is not named in the media: a military expert, a major military expert, a military nuclear expert. An expert's education, though a biological one, was started by a major military-biological expert in 2008, who announced that the Russian troops would suffer thousands of losses, including our aviation.

      "We'll have to face a rather serious Georgian air defense system. It's not for you to drive militants across the North Caucasus. You have to understand that you will have to fight for the Ossetians and suffer very heavy losses. Otherwise, you need to negotiate politically. When the fire stops and the search for how Ossetia will return begins. to Georgia. There is apparently no other option now "

      Felgenhauer About Saakashvili

      “In fact, Saakashvili is a strong, intelligent, purposeful and very energetic national leader. True, he is also very impatient, trying to remake Georgia and Georgians in a short time, being, like Peter the Great in Russia at the time, firmly convinced that he knows best what his country and people need. Saakashvili’s team consists mainly of young, Western-trained, energetic and efficient people. They were able to remake Georgia in four years, as no one could have expected. Saakashvili did not fight corruption for a look, while discussing the inevitability of this evil, as they do in Russia - he almost completely eliminated it, surprisingly. So far, we have been slowly talking about the need for military reform, about the modernization of the armed forces, about the "innovative army" - Georgia created a new type of armed forces from scratch. "

      And in 2012, he predicted a Russian attack on Georgia.

      I constantly confuse him with Pavel Globa: they are similar in physiognomy and bear the same garbage.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 August 2013 08: 55
        11
        Quote: Vadivak
        An expert’s education, however, is biological,

        In biology, they pay less money, and for the crap he carries, they also pay much more laughing
        Quote: Vadivak

        “In fact, Saakashvili is a strong, intelligent, purposeful and very energetic national leader.

        It’s not just licked, it’s polished so polished wassat
        Vadim hi
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 9 August 2013 09: 59
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Biology pays less money

          In biology, to pay money, you need to WORK. I don’t want to request
          1. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 9 August 2013 10: 19
            +2
            Quote: Misantrop
            In biology, to pay money, you need to WORK. I don’t want to


            ... I don’t want to work? ... this is the norm for a Ukrainian.
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 9 August 2013 15: 24
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov

          Alexander Romanov
          (1)

          Today, 08: 55

          ↑ ↓


          Quote: VadivakEducation from an expert, though biological, In biology, they pay less money, and for the crap he carries, they also pay much more

          - the surname is some kind of non-Russian. German, or what? laughing Felgenhauer ... Well, what did you want, I’m not at all surprised by this opus from this Felgenhauer, dejected by the fact that this gentleman is acting in Russia and impersonating a Russian and pursuing Russia's interests as be. For such a face it would not be a passport to beat, but someone came up with the rules - you can’t beat a face.
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        1. valerii41
          valerii41 9 August 2013 20: 28
          0
          Ban pensioner I valerii41 I was not going to ban you with pleasure I put the ones on you
      3. yurii p
        yurii p 9 August 2013 09: 56
        +2
        “In fact, Saakashvili is a strong, intelligent, purposeful and very energetic national leader. True, he is also very impatient, trying to remake Georgia and Georgians in a short time, ...................... this is what to stand on all fours and climb trees, then there is evolution. God forbid such a leader.
      4. alone
        alone 9 August 2013 09: 58
        +5
        in fact, many military experts did not serve in the army at all. I think it’s time to kick all these experts to hell. The language is scratched like a broom
    3. carver
      carver 9 August 2013 09: 23
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Leontiev, do not make noise! Abkhazia and Yu. Ossetia will be part of Russia a little time, because they exist thanks to Russia, and so it is clear.


      But in vain he raised this topic, in fact, South Ossetia and Abkhazia can become part of Russia only after at least Belarusians and, ideally, most of Ukraine, reunite with Russia.
  6. SPIRITofFREEDOM
    SPIRITofFREEDOM 9 August 2013 08: 16
    +3
    I wonder what would happen if they reached Tbilisi ..........
    1. Airman
      Airman 9 August 2013 08: 33
      +1
      Quote: SPIRITofFREEDOM
      I wonder what would happen if they reached Tbilisi ..........

      Partisan war with all its consequences.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 August 2013 08: 57
        12
        Quote: Povshnik
        Guerrilla war

        With whom???? Georgian partisans what say aliluia laughing
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 9 August 2013 09: 05
          13
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          by whom???? Georgian partisans what say aliluya laughing


          There were once such in the "Georgian Legion" and it all ended. In general, as in Lermontov: "and the evil bullet of the Ossetian caught up with him in the darkness .... timid Georgians fled"
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 9 August 2013 10: 02
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          With whom???? Georgian partisans

          Are there many Syrians now in the "Syrian opposition"? So they would have become "Georgian patriots" ... request
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 9 August 2013 11: 53
            +3
            hi santrop ->
            Quote: Mi hi santrop
            Are there many Syrians now in the "Syrian opposition"? So they would have become "Georgian patriots".

            Well, they still need to be sent there, and this is only through Turkey. Erdogan pissed off, Putin will not be trampled. Russia is not Syria
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 August 2013 08: 56
      +6
      Quote: SPIRITofFREEDOM
      I wonder what would happen if they reached Tbilisi ...

      Saka, along with a tie, would also gobble up his own underpants.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 9 August 2013 08: 58
      +7
      Quote: SPIRITofFREEDOM
      I wonder what would happen if they reached Tbilisi ....


      The president went out on vacation and stopped the troops ....


      “He should generally be grateful to me that I just stopped the troops.” If they entered Tbilisi, then most likely there would be a different president in Georgia at the moment! - said Medvedev
      1. Max otto
        Max otto 9 August 2013 09: 49
        +8
        could not resist laughing
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 August 2013 11: 55
          +1
          Quote: Max Otto
          Max otto

          Otto you yourself work for whom?
          1. Max otto
            Max otto 9 August 2013 15: 07
            +1
            Your mother !!! This is a failure ...

            PS to write correctly - Stierlitz (or Stirlitz, the author did not decide himself)
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 August 2013 15: 29
              +1
              Quote: Max Otto
              PS to write correctly - Stierlitz (or Stirlitz, the author did not decide himself)

              But these are your documents, you wrote there yourself under a degree laughing
              1. Max otto
                Max otto 9 August 2013 18: 05
                +2
                No, not mine, everything is correctly written in mine, but Mueller threw it, burned me, the infection. lol
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 9 August 2013 11: 16
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        “He should generally be grateful to me that I just stopped the troops.” If they entered Tbilisi, then most likely there would be a different president in Georgia at the moment! - said Medvedev

        Russia NOT TO THE END realized (or demonstrated to the world?) its ability to redraw the geopolitical map of the world ....
        Let these capabilities(desires) for the time being - remain for the West MYSTERY.
    4. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 9 August 2013 10: 24
      +2
      Quote: SPIRITofFREEDOM
      I wonder what would happen if they reached Tbilisi ..........

      Flowers, Georgian wine, songs, reunification of Georgia, new elections and home! fellow
    5. 1976AG
      1976AG 9 August 2013 11: 29
      +3
      First of all, they would get the hatred of the Georgian people. The constant support of the image of the enemy in the person of Russia is not in vain, and a forceful change of power would be a strong blow to the pride of the Georgians (although the president was not very, but they themselves chose). Well, the West, of course, would take advantage of this. So we would get slops above the roof!
  7. Edward72
    Edward72 9 August 2013 08: 17
    +6
    Yes, they did everything right, it’s a pity the dead.
  8. tomket
    tomket 9 August 2013 08: 17
    +2
    Georgians read, and begin to whimper)
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 August 2013 08: 20
      10
      Quote: tomket
      Georgians will read, and begin to whimper,

      The Georgians will read and tell us all about the Russian aggression and the great Georgia that existed for 3000 years and a map will be drawn of the great Georgian Haganate.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 9 August 2013 08: 34
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Great Georgia existed for 3000 years and a map will be drawn of the Great Georgian Haganate.

        Sasha hi ! Which fits on the treasure of God the Forgotten Muhos @ anska
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 August 2013 08: 44
          +3
          Quote: Tersky
          ! Which fits on the treasure of God the Forgotten Muhos @ anska

          Hello Vit! Well, I don’t know what kind of imagination the artist has enough for, perhaps from the Atlantic to the quiet laughing
      2. tomket
        tomket 9 August 2013 09: 08
        +2
        I mean, they’ll be upset because there is no Georgian statehood in their memory, who would be pleased to know that you are pinocchio on the strings of the State Department.
      3. valerii41
        valerii41 9 August 2013 20: 08
        +1
        Under Stalin, it was like that, in 80 percent of the regions of the Russian Federation, the first secretaries of the regional party committees were Georgians, all the KGB leadership were Georgians, how many enemies of the people blamed the documents on this topic were destroyed. Almost the entire territory of the Russian Federation was part of Great Georgia. When the Georgian government was thrown off and the love for the Russians disappeared. During the war in Russia there was a rationing system and hunger in Georgia wine and barbecue. In Soviet times, Georgians casually put their hand into their pockets, took out a wad of money, paid in a store, while a Russian fumbled through their pockets, counted out a change, personally saw it, and personally counted out a change. Russians traveled abroad once every three years, and Georgians and Armenians several times without restrictions Now politicians are trying to us, and dirty art is to suck in our brains the love of Georgians and Armenians for Russians. Transcaucasian animals have one disease "you are Russian, you do not know your history" Spat in Russia - all this international shop here must be closed
    2. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 9 August 2013 08: 27
      +5
      Quote: tomket
      Georgians read, and begin to whimper)
      Not that word. On YouTube, in the comments on the video about the Guzinsky UAV shot down by our MIG, such a srach was divorced by the Georgians, moreover, by youngsters, shkolota. Potrolled them a little lol
      1. sergey72
        sergey72 9 August 2013 08: 31
        +2
        "Such a srach divorced by Georgians" can you tell where?
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 9 August 2013 09: 06
          +1
          Quote: sergey72
          do not tell me where?
          Here.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 9 August 2013 14: 25
            +1
            Evgeniy !! 5+ !! I want on YouTube !!! There is neither Romanov, nor Apollo, nor the Joker !!!
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 9 August 2013 19: 32
              +2
              Quote: retired
              ! I want on YouTube !!!

              Flag in the hands of a Drum around the neck and ... ON YOUTUB !!! wassat
              Quote: retired
              There is neither Romanov, nor Apollo, nor the Joker !!!

              You have enough eyes for me to go to bed frantically clutching slippers bully hi drinks
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                1. Hleb
                  Hleb 9 August 2013 20: 23
                  +1
                  I read the thread with interest)
          2. mamba
            mamba 9 August 2013 15: 09
            +2
            Quote: lewerlin53rus
            Here

            And do you guys want to go down to the level of the Georgian national bastard? Shifting with them matyuki-do not respect yourself. I read a little and went to wash my hands, so as not to spoil the clave. am
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 August 2013 08: 37
        11
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        to the video about the Guzinsky drone shot down by our MIG, such a srach was divorced by the Georgians

        You better pay attention to Saku, the Georgian flag, next to the American and the portrait of Bush on the coat of arms of Georgia wassat
        1. mamba
          mamba 9 August 2013 10: 58
          +6
          BMP bag’s U-turn, of course, cool, but it would be better to put your arms outstretched in flight Serdyukov, launching a stool into the drone. laughing
  9. Tersky
    Tersky 9 August 2013 08: 20
    +8
    Georgia marks the fifth anniversary of the outbreak of hostilities in South Ossetia. Heads of state laid wreaths at the graves of hundreds of war victims. President Saakashvili confirmed that he still considers all his decisions of that time to be absolutely correct and inevitable - Those who, on the fifth anniversary of the war, still talk about the fault of Georgia, simply lie, because they have already been documented: Russian units entered South Ossetia a few days before the outbreak of hostilities. It is equally ridiculous to say that Georgia succumbed to provocation. This is the same as blaming our ancestors for succumbing to the provocation of the Central Asian conqueror Jalal ad Din. No grave can fix this hunchback, cynicism is above reason ..
    Vakhtang Rcheulishvili, (Georgian politician, ex-vice speaker of the Georgian parliament) is right: "After 2008, Mikhail Saakashvili is a political corpse! He could no longer implement his program. He was very unlucky. And along with him, Georgia. The era of Saakashvili ended not in 2013 but in 2008. "
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 9 August 2013 08: 27
      +8
      Quote: Tersky
      After 2008, Mikheil Saakashvili is a political corpse! He could no longer implement his program. He was very unlucky. AND

      He didn’t have any programs, all the programs are US programs, once again Russia should remember who its first enemy really is.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 9 August 2013 08: 34
      +4
      Quote: Tersky
      After 2008, Mikheil Saakashvili is a political corpse! He could no longer implement his program. He was very unlucky. And with it, and Georgia. The era of Saakashvili ended not in 2013 but in 2008.

      Aside from discussions on the topic of "who is to blame," and even from attempts to establish the facts how and in what order they were, Mishiko is still a political corpse. He became such at the moment when the scene of chewing a tie was broadcast to the whole world. Exactly according to Saltykov-Shchedrin "Bear in the Voivodeship". "I ate a siskin" is an indelible mark.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 9 August 2013 08: 36
        +4
        Quote: Nagan
        He became one at that moment when the whole world broadcast the scene of chewing a tie.

        Another confirmation of the correctness of the words of Vakhtang Rcheulishvili.
      2. 1976AG
        1976AG 9 August 2013 11: 35
        +2
        But still the question "who is to blame" is PRINCIPAL! And you SHOULD NOT be distracted from him!
  10. pensioner
    pensioner 9 August 2013 08: 24
    +5
    Let's be honest. There should not be any independent Ossetia and Abkhazia, like many other dwarf formations - these are always puppets.
    100% true !. And okay, if harmless puppets.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 9 August 2013 10: 05
      +4
      well, we didn’t start it ....... first it was Kosovo and other "enslaved" peoples. As a matter of fact, there should not be such full-time education as Georgia either ...........
  11. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 9 August 2013 08: 27
    +7
    The war that revealed the serious problems of our army. The second problem, no less terrible, was Sirdyukov, dubbing the already problematic army with modern creativity. I hope that Shoigu will be able to restore the armed forces that we were proud of in the shortest possible time! Recent changes in the army: large-scale exercises, vital decisions in medicine, the life of a soldier, a procurement system, etc. military equipment, etc. gave aptimism to ordinary people, because the situation in the world is getting worse every day!
    1. urganov
      urganov 9 August 2013 21: 36
      +1
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      ... a nightmare ... Sirdyukov, dubbing ... restore ... The latter ... large-scale ... vital ... aptimism


      Do not consider it impolite or reasonable. And believe me, I have deep sympathy and understanding for your point of view. But this Internet resource is read by young people as well. The request is huge, use the "Word" program before posting a comment on VO. Read your comment before posting it. Nobody forbade the proofreading of their posts.
      "Like": they are looking at us!
      Once again accept my sincere and deep respect.
      Sincerely, Yurganov Andrey Vladimirovich.
  12. shpuntik
    shpuntik 9 August 2013 08: 27
    +6
    It is necessary to unite North and South Ossetia, and the entire short-lived. With inclusion in the Russian Federation. Moreover, they already receive pensions with Russian passports; for 5 years - the subsidy amounted to 36 billion rubles (100 thousand rubles per person / per year). Here are just the factories and plants to put them, that would not mess around, do without subsidies.
    1. baton140105
      baton140105 9 August 2013 10: 14
      +3
      they themselves dream of being restored to at least some industry. Believe me, I have been working in South Ossetia for several years and I know the situation. People have nowhere to work (in fact, only the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Defense work and a lot of all kinds of ministries are not needed) live only on what the Russian Federation lists. We ourselves make donors out of them, and then swear that we spend a lot of money on them.
      Recently, for the first time after the war, a sewing factory started working, so I personally took it as a miracle, what else to talk about ....
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 9 August 2013 12: 29
        +2
        baton140105 (1) RU Today, 10:14 ↑ New
        Recently, for the first time after the war, a sewing factory started working, so I personally took it as a miracle, what else to talk about ....

        That's right: give us fruits and vegetables to the north, and we will buy.
        And then, this potato is from the Netherlands, but the cabbage from Poland is sick of everyone here.
        As for sewing, you can not surpass Asia. Only sheathe themselves, which is not bad. God help you.
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 10 August 2013 00: 08
        0
        Quote: baton140105
        We ourselves make donors from them
        - you are confusing something, dear. Maybe "we make ourselves donors"? Did I understand you correctly? If you want to teach a person how to live, give him a fishing rod and teach him how to fish. But no, it's easier to throw off a fish easier for him
  13. Strashila
    Strashila 9 August 2013 08: 39
    +9
    In all this war, the biggest scam in those events was UN behavior, an attack on official peacekeeping units ... not rogue bandits, but the state’s armed forces ... and all this was quietly released.
  14. Fire
    Fire 9 August 2013 08: 40
    +1
    I think it was necessary for our troops to go to Tbilisi, as in 1945. went to Berlin. And Abkhazia and South Ossetia to join the Russian Federation as subjects.
  15. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 9 August 2013 08: 42
    +1
    A bit of history:
  16. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 9 August 2013 08: 49
    +1
    hi Russia did the right thing, but how else; don't expose yourself ..."Let's be honest. There should not be any independent Ossetia and Abkhazia, like many other dwarf formations - these are always puppets ..."- in this case, Chechnya, is this in our country, a dwarf formation or a "bug" that sucks "blood" from the owner? ...
    Comments by a member of the UNITED RUSSIA Party, Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Chechen Republic - Minister of Agriculture of the Chechen Republic M.M. Dadaev on subsidies for the agricultural sector see http: //www.grozny-inform.ru/main.mhtml? Part = 9 & PubID = 42567
    Regarding South Ossetia, who from the sane will give it back (the leaders of Russia!) There are "twigs" such that it is not right to use it ... as well as Abkhazia on the Black Sea coast. hi
  17. Predator-74
    Predator-74 9 August 2013 08: 50
    +5
    There are 2 solutions to the problem: either South. Ossetia and Abkhazia will be part of the Russian Federation, or all of Georgia will be part of the Russian Federation. Most likely there will be the first option, something is hard to believe that after this war the South. Oh and Abh. want to rejoin Georgia.
  18. vitek1233
    vitek1233 9 August 2013 08: 51
    +3
    still it was necessary to change the regime in Georgia
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 9 August 2013 08: 59
      +4
      Quote: vitek1233
      still it was necessary to change the regime in Georgia

      Obviously, GDP and DAM had their own thoughts on this matter. Those, in particular, could be based on information inaccessible to the general public and specifically to you.
  19. MuadDib
    MuadDib 9 August 2013 08: 52
    +2
    Very informative. Like a situational plan. Thank.
  20. eplewke
    eplewke 9 August 2013 08: 58
    +2
    Well, about the destruction and disappearance of Russian statehood, this is utter nonsense. We’ve been standing for 1000 years and still have so much downtime. The putsches of wars and revolutions survived, and not so - they survived.
    As for Georgia, it’s a geopolitical corpse ... It’s neither in NATO nor the eurozone. The only way out for them is Russia. Which I will think for 3-5 years. They don’t want it themselves - we will impose by force, a matter of time ...
    Abkhazia and South Ossetia, I agree with this, does not smell of sovereignty here. Without Russia, they are a stupid land ... Here, too, it seems to me that over time it is pulled to our borders.
    As for the American, well what can I say, the cock pecked at us and got a bear paw in the face ... There is one wonderful fable on this subject that fully characterizes the state of affairs. Recently it was voiced in one article. Great fable!
  21. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 9 August 2013 09: 02
    +3
    What is Abkhazia, what is the Black Sea Fleet, see the map! Still, to Bulgaria, but for themselves ...
    1. Alexander-Tomsk
      Alexander-Tomsk 9 August 2013 09: 24
      +4
      What a dream to print like this, you give the Black Sea Fleet base in Constantinople! good
    2. Bort radist
      Bort radist 9 August 2013 09: 59
      +1
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      Still, Bulgaria

      The government and parliaments of Bulgaria are working in extremely difficult situations, almost in a state of siege.
      Nice country Bulgaria .....
      1. Akhtuba73
        Akhtuba73 9 August 2013 10: 20
        +1
        Quote: Bort Radist
        Nice country Bulgaria .....

        I do not argue ... With those who can communicate freely for 35-40, they remember the Russian language, good and a bit like it. Young people are turning their nose to Europe. We lived there for 3 weeks, as at home, the feeling of a tourist did not appear. BUT! NATO has already tidied them up, the European Union pampers with money - so they integrate. Although the memory of the mighty Soviet Union is. But whoever pays the girl dances her. The Bulgarians themselves say that their country is like an abandoned woman - whoever takes a sip is glad to that. And how much they love Putin !!! Another story ...
        1. Syrdon
          Syrdon 9 August 2013 10: 53
          +1
          was there recently, around ours, everything is being bought up, so maybe in NATO, but inside will soon be ours)))
          1. Akhtuba73
            Akhtuba73 9 August 2013 15: 29
            0
            Balchik, Albena, Kavarna ... to our people there, the Turks will envy soon
        2. valerii41
          valerii41 9 August 2013 21: 02
          0
          In the USSR capitalism also euphorized, it turned out to be much more complicated. As they did not break Russia, they stood up at the expense of industry, Bulgaria is equal in area to any of our region 110 thousand square kilometers, the population is 7 million people and the grip is not Japanese. For the West, the cheap labor of the government and the police will feed for fans of strikes rubber bullets with gas, in such a primitive way my opinion
  22. vovan100
    vovan100 9 August 2013 09: 13
    +3
    for some reason I’m sure that sooner or later all our chipped pieces will return to us in one form or another, well, and of course we must definitely contribute to this in every way. the only thing that can prevent this is America’s influence on politicians in these countries. there will appear a competent and strong leader, the wisdom of this person will bring him to us, definitely)
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  23. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 9 August 2013 09: 23
    +4
    Historically, Georgia, or rather, various principalities on the territory of modern Georgia could not live without a "master" and were given to him without a trace, and then treacherously betrayed. People with a very specific mentality live on this territory. If anyone is interested, it is described in great detail: " Was Georgia an Ally of Russia? Political Model of the Survival of the Georgian State "http://www.apn.ru/publications/article21261.htm
    1. mamba
      mamba 9 August 2013 15: 29
      +1
      Thank you, Andrew 447read with great pleasure. hi True, one point was not reflected in the article: during the period of the greatest love for Georgia in Soviet times, the Georgian elite and the middle class began to demonstrate national swagger, developing into nationalism and even Russophobia. For the Georgian intelligentsia, this was considered a sign of good taste. In 1983, I was in Ochamchira, where I repeatedly encountered the cynical rudeness of local Georgians, who were then the majority there. Abkhazians showed cordiality and were very welcoming.
  24. LTL70
    LTL70 9 August 2013 09: 25
    +1
    Leontiev, as almost always, is right. But I do not agree with the fourth conclusion, and I think on the contrary, if Russia says to its "independent" neighbors, you guys go your own way. live as you want, Russia will no longer walk you, will introduce a strict visa regime and will behave the same as with any state strictly within the framework of international (existing, unfortunately) law. The fear of losing "influence" is cowardice! It is necessary to influence not by lisping, but by force - now in the world this is the strongest argument of the policy of "appeasement"!
    1. LTL70
      LTL70 9 August 2013 09: 37
      0
      I mean not so much South Ossetia and Abkhazia as the former union republics.
  25. individual
    individual 9 August 2013 09: 41
    +2
    Saakashvili himself put Georgia on a chain and yanked as much as the American leash allowed.
  26. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 9 August 2013 09: 51
    +2
    The article is good +, Leontyev, as always, to the point! I would like to remind the popular anecdote in the times of Dudaev: "What will happen if Chechnya conquers Georgia? - Ichkeria will have the best song and dance ensemble!" And that says it all, but you have to keep your fist at the face of the tie-maker (not to spit it out), although I must say that I have always treated the people of Georgia with respect.
  27. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 9 August 2013 10: 26
    +2
    It must be emphasized that the direct reaction to the action of Saakashvili was absolutely correct. That is, Russia did not just do the right thing - it was the only possible way of reaction.

    Everything is so, only the reaction time left much to be desired. It is possible that if the decision on retaliatory force intervention were made faster, then there would be less casualties both among the civilian population and army losses.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 9 August 2013 11: 43
      +1
      And perhaps such a reaction time is associated with the need to collect evidence of Georgia’s true intentions. Personally, I do not exclude such an opportunity.
      1. mamba
        mamba 9 August 2013 15: 43
        0
        Quote: 1976AG
        And perhaps such a reaction time is associated with the need to collect evidence of Georgia’s true intentions.

        Yes, the Kremlin has long understood these intentions, but Russia had to do its best to not look like an aggressor. And all the same, despite such a temporary head start, paid for by the great blood of Ossetians and Russians, the jackals (western and not so much) howled with delight! Remember what difficulties it took us to get rid of the hysterical anti-Russian company when we were branded as an aggressor.
  28. Shkodnick
    Shkodnick 9 August 2013 10: 35
    +6
    Quote: yurii p
    I want the 3rd world.

    Have you had a vacation? when the children appear. you change your desire ... I want to fight, go to Syria!
    1. alone
      alone 10 August 2013 00: 07
      0
      do you think he will? the military has one saying: every atheist immediately becomes a believer when mortar shells start to whistle)) and God forbid that this whistle stops above your head
  29. Double major
    Double major 9 August 2013 10: 58
    +4
    Everything was done right. In addition, maybe a weak contingent of peacekeepers, which entailed serious losses. It was impossible to take Tbilissi - we are not aggressors, and such a step would give a reason for an answer already from the USA and Europe. It was impossible not to enter South Ossetia when attacking our peacekeepers - the norm of international law. It was impossible not to protect their citizens in South Ossetia - this is the fundamental function of the state, for this state formed even in those days when the princes were elected military leaders of the Slavs. Something like this...
  30. Corsair
    Corsair 9 August 2013 11: 07
    +1
    Quote from the article:
    And finally, the fourth: the further, the more. It is clear that everything that exists now in the Caucasus, in Transcaucasia, in general in the near-Russian space, is a palliative. This is an intermediate situation that cannot last long: it is itself potentially unstable, it is itself potentially vulnerable and it must develop either to restore the unity of the post-Soviet space - that is, the historical Russian space, restore a full-fledged imperial organism - or to destroy Russia . The destruction of Russia as a subject.

    Missed a historic chance to inject the plague vaccine ...
    (PALLIATIVE, [fr. palliatif <lat. palliare cover up <pallium cloak]. 1. A medicine that gives only temporary relief. 2. transfer. A remedy that gives only a temporary effect, a half measure. Do not limit yourself to palliatives, but make drastic decisions. )
  31. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 9 August 2013 11: 11
    +2
    The contingent is quite adequate to the parties to the conflict. Big problems for our contingent were created by the betrayal of the Georgian "peacekeepers" and the "genius" commanding ability of Kulakhmedov.
    1. Anastasios
      Anastasios 9 August 2013 12: 57
      0
      and what should Kulakhmetov do ?? rush into a bayonet, put a soldier and die like a hero?
      1. Andrew 447
        Andrew 447 9 August 2013 13: 27
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        Firstly, for such situations, an action plan for the peacekeeping contingent is created taking into account the realities (Kulakhmetov is personally responsible for its correctness and realism) and, in accordance with this plan, conduct training and exercises for the contingent. Secondly: remove our guys from the block of posts (main losses of our peacekeepers just at the block of posts). Thirdly: do not be afraid to make decisions and withdraw units from permanent deployment points to the western district in accordance with the action plan and there proceed to defense.
        1. Anastasios
          Anastasios 9 August 2013 13: 38
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          as I know, no one warned anyone about the start of the war. Therefore, the withdrawal of peacekeepers from roadblocks would have looked strange before the outbreak of hostilities. In addition, NOBODY IN THE WORLD has shot at Peacekeepers to this day, they have been untouchable. Also, the Peacekeepers had their escape routes cut off. And the last in the Peacekeeping town gathered a certain number of civilians. They also had to take risks when leaving? Wash everything was right on his part. But the slowness of the Russian leadership aroused many questions then. The reaction should have been much faster.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 9 August 2013 13: 58
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            Quote: Anastas
            In addition, NOBODY IN THE WORLD has shot at Peacekeepers to this day, they have been untouchable

            No, they shot and shoot.
            However, for the first time, the shooters were given such high quality wort assistance. And this is a precedent.
            1. Anastasios
              Anastasios 9 August 2013 14: 20
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              right, there were isolated cases. But there was no such massive attack. Peacemakers are the "sacred Cow", they are the dividing line between "those" and "these". If we then removed this line, the whole world would have shouted that WE provoked a clash of the parties ... It's a pity that the guys died, but not because of Kulakhmetov's actions, but because of Saakashvilli's aggression. Yes, and ours could have acted faster, not wait a day. By the way, I think that it was thanks to Kulakhmetov that the losses were not high.
  32. Rat Novgorod
    Rat Novgorod 9 August 2013 12: 51
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    Regarding chewing a tie: Saakashvilli was not alone in front of the camera there. Georgian operators mocked him in a campaign and could immediately cut down the broadcast. Conclusion The Georgians themselves considered their president crazy and did not respect him even then).
  33. Anastasios
    Anastasios 9 August 2013 13: 09
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    I don’t understand why it was necessary to take Tbilisi? Look at the map. The whole of Georgia is controlled from the territory of South Ossetia, 40 km to Tbilisi. Abkhazia is 2/3 of the coast of Georgia ... The strategic objective was to prevent the construction of a gas pipeline. She is reached.
    1. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 9 August 2013 13: 40
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      Here I agree with you. Strategically, Tbilisi is a "dummy" with high risks. It was necessary to cut off western Georgia through Adjara from the sea with a landing party and from Gori along the railway on the Valais. They would have practically the territory of the Abkhazian kingdom of the time of the Treaty of St. George. laughing
      1. Anastasios
        Anastasios 9 August 2013 13: 53
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        Yes, that would be wonderful, but the Adzharians surrendered Abashidze and their independence much earlier. But you won’t be forcibly sweet ... Yes, and strategically it would give a little. And in this situation, not a single serious investor will invest in this Pipeline anymore ... The goal has been achieved. Now there is a struggle for a transit territory in Syria ...
  34. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 9 August 2013 13: 46
    +1
    Tbilisi could not have been taken. Sometimes it seems to me that the plan "B" for the star-striped **** s was exactly that. We did everything (oddly enough) as competently as possible. I sometimes heard the words "What Georgians are warriors" is a delusion. The war in Ossetia is not an indicator. There was no motivation. And even after they did not go to Tiflis, they beat out Mishiko, that is, from the mattress makers, any trump card to show Russia as a bloodthirsty aggressor. All subsequent bazaars were in favor of the poor. And the likelihood of a guerrilla war would be great. (If we had come to Teflis) But in the end everything happened the other way around, we did not go to Tbilisi and after this war Mishiko turned into a clown in the eyes of Georgians. I speak because I know. There are actually a lot of friends among Georgians and Ossetians. I arrived there immediately after the war in September and stayed there for two years. Believe me, I know what I'm saying.
  35. cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola 9 August 2013 14: 02
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    Quote: Vadivak
    About the fifth column in Russia

    Good day everyone! Dear Vadim, if you mentioned the "great military biological expert" Felgenhauer, then, I think, it would be absolutely unfair not to mention no less "great expert" (from the same feeding trough - Echo of Moscow), I mean Madame Latynina Yulia Leonidovna. Here on the site there is a lively discussion of the hypothetical capture of Tbilisi and various options for military action! Dear comrades, friends and colleagues! Well, is it worth breaking spears and arguing about what was discussed and analyzed a long time ago by "the greatest expert of all times and peoples", Madame Latynina! Well, do not be lazy, delve into the Internet, check out the "analytical materials" of the aforementioned madam! I guarantee you will have tremendous pleasure, and you will laugh at the same time! And, returning to the question of why the Russian troops did not take Tbilisi, Yulia Leonidovna, very clearly and convincingly, referring to "absolutely authoritative sources", proves that: the Russian army (unlike the Georgian!) Is absolutely not professional, she does not know how to fight at all, the state of technology is extremely deplorable, and she (that is, equipment!) was simply not able to get to Tbilisi, firstly, due to a chronic lack of fuel, and secondly, the wheels of armored personnel carriers are not quite round (well , something like that!) In short, my regular pieces of silver worked to the fullest! So, dear colleagues, there is no need to argue and break spears - listen to Echo of Moscow, and you will be happy! As long as there are such "experts" at this radio station, Mr. Venediktov can sleep well - financing (by Gazprom ???) is guaranteed to him!
  36. michajlo
    michajlo 9 August 2013 14: 18
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    Quote: BlackScorp
    No one will ever openly say about the necessary actions, this will give our geopolitical opponents a reason to declare the "imperial policy of Russia", we do not need it .... And that is why Russia is not now joining South Ossetia and Abkhazia, as you wish. ... The plans of the Russian leadership, it seems to me, are much farther and deeper ... There is a time for everything ... If this is done now, then it will be limited to these accessions, because, in this case, Russia will show its claims on the restoration of historical Russia within the borders close to the borders of the USSR ... Do not rush History ... You need to hurry slowly ... In such a case, one wrong, hasty step can throw everything off for decades ...

    Good day to all! The article as a whole is correct, but according to the separate conclusions of the author of the article, here the forum users expressed many interesting thoughts. I fully support the author of the cited note. good
    There are many factors in foreign policy itself, most of which, we the general public do not know / we will not be informed. what
    Therefore, make hasty conclusions and make quick decisions, probably still not worth it!
    It’s another matter that the real steps of Russia at each stage, Depend on the First Person of the country and its squad (team). Well, at this important point, in my opinion in Russia everything stands and falls. hi
    Because as history teaches us, comrade Stalin could afford to do unexpected things that the USSR raised to unattainable heights.
    But what Putin and Medvedev with their squads can afford, we all see from 1999.
    The only thing that pleases is that at least about foreign policy, which, compared with Comrade Medvedev, Comrade Putin defends the interests of Russia and fraternal republics more consistently and without fear(Belarus, Kazakhstan, but native Ukraine fell out of this circle by itself).
    Although it is quite possible that just in tandem Putin-Medvedev, the second of them (DAM) the face of the "behind-the-scenes directors" was simply given the role of a weakling and a bad guy, so that against his pale background the unique GDP shone brighter !? hi
  37. Normal
    Normal 9 August 2013 14: 22
    +1
    Four strategic conclusions .... Well .... "Let's squeeze out the water" and see what's in the bottom line.
    1.
    Russia didn’t just do the right thing - it was the only possible way of reaction ...... if we washed ourselves and refrained from such a reaction, Russia would cease to be a subject of history, a subject of world politics with all the ensuing consequences - even the inevitable elimination of sovereignty.

    It is quite possible ... Although, one can argue about the "elimination of sovereignty". Some pro-government officials in all seriousness claim that the country is under occupation, therefore, what kind of sovereignty are we talking about?
    2.
    The real geopolitical consequences of the conflict - including Russia's official recognition of the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia - was the de facto recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as a protectorate of Russia (I mean recognition by our opponents) and our de facto recognition of Georgia as an American protectorate..... That is, in principle, from a geopolitical point of view, this is a loss.

    These are the times .... belay At first, "Russia did the right thing, it was the only possible way to react," but "from a geopolitical point of view, this is a loss."
    As in a joke; "The radio of Mordovia says - Saransk time is either seven or eight"

    3.
    The recognition of independence was the only really politically possible way for the Russian leadership .... This is a necessary step. But at the same time, we must understand that dwarf pseudo-states create enormous problems, .... And this is our fault, because we created the conditions under which This pseudo-sovereignty is beginning to be perceived by the elites as a tool for solving some of their problems and tasks, including often to the detriment of Russia.

    That is, the only real, politically possible way for the Russian leadership is pseudo-sovereignty, including often to the detriment of Russia ...
    Paranoia continues.

    4.
    the farther, the more .... This is an intermediate situation that cannot last long: it is potentially unstable in itself, it is potentially vulnerable in itself and it must develop either towards restoring the unity of the post-Soviet space - that is, historical Russian space, restoring full imperial organism - either to destroy Russia. The destruction of Russia as a subject. It is quite possible the existence of some territories, administrative-territorial entities, one of which will be called Russia, but historically it will not have any relation to Russia - in any sense: neither territorial, nor historical, nor cultural, nor ethnic even.

    As far as I understand (if not correct correctly, who can) either we are restoring the empire, and without national formations and pseudo-sovereignty, or the end of Russia. I especially liked "not even in ethnic terms." So there was the replacement of the Russian ethnic group (low birth rate, population flow to large cities, degradation and destruction of the Russian village) by national minorities (rapid population growth, funding from "Russian" regions, indulgence of diasporas and, consequently, ethnic organized crime groups ) is the path to the preservation and greatness of Russia.
    Demagogy .... Article minus.
  38. agbykov
    agbykov 9 August 2013 14: 26
    +3
    Regarding the capture of Tbilisi and the change of regime, I liked the conclusion of Dmitry Skvortsov from his review "Lesson 08.08.08 is not learned by everyone and is learned poorly" (http://2000.net.ua/2000/v-blogakh/92877): "... especially correct and balanced was the decision not to enter Tbilisi. I think that many generals and officers really wanted to travel the last few tens of kilometers and complete the defeat of the “Georgian beast in his lair.” In addition, for the capture of the capital, they would be entitled to orders, titles and etc., but the whole thing was that having taken the capital, it would have been necessary to change the regime, and there were no politicians and parties loyal to Russia that enjoyed the support of the population in Georgia. Saakashvili would become president in exile (in this status he could harm Russia for thirty years), Western countries would recognize the government in exile as the only legitimate representative of Georgia. The conditional pro-Russian regime in Tbilisi could be supported only by Russian bayonets. Georgia would have to keep a large grouping.the invaders and collaborators would have been hostile, and in a couple of months Miho would have already been a legendary folk hero who bravely fought against the aggression of a huge northern neighbor and all his sins would have been forgotten. Thus, joining Tbilisi would instantly neutralize the political effect of the brilliant military operation, and Russia would climb into the same Caucasian trap from which it miraculously escaped. "
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 9 August 2013 22: 49
      +1
      Quote: agbykov
      and politicians and parties loyal to Russia, enjoying the support of the population in Georgia, were not.

      It never happened - well, they would take for the worst the presidency Kikabidze - he would sing beautiful songs to Georgians !!! :)))
      But seriously - well, Russia would be recognized as an aggressor, what would happen? They are already after the events of 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. shouted to the whole world that Russia is an aggressor !!! They shouted that they would never recognize Abkhazia and Ossetia - can I ask a question? And in FIG Russia their opinion? Do they especially listen to you? Abkhazia and Ossetia, thank God, have been celebrating the 5th anniversary of independence for some time now and they somehow officially accept the West officially or not !!!

      What are the specific actions of the West that would greatly harm Russia? The whole world recognizes the United States as an aggressor and a large half of the Muslim world dreams of blowing something up there - so what?
      I personally, after the events of 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, had the impression of a safer response from Russia to Saakashvili than he deserved !!! How much can be limited to half measures? It’s time for a decent time to smack into another impudent democratic face !!!
  39. Anastasios
    Anastasios 9 August 2013 14: 31
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    Quote: agbykov
    I think that many generals and officers really wanted to drive the last few tens of kilometers and complete the rout of the "Georgian beast in its den." In addition, for the capture of the capital they would rely on orders, ranks, etc.,


    so the advanced units were carried away and reached almost Tbilisi ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDvfk8velVU&feature=player_detailpage&t=1
  40. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 9 August 2013 15: 15
    +1
    So we almost got it. But it's right that they stopped in time. Guys, I’m really proud of my country no matter what, I don’t want to write anything, and even more so to pour water on the mill of the liberals, but while there I talked with the tankers who saw these T-72s captured in Gori and madornized in the Czech Republic ... ... In general, not everything is so simple and good in the "Danish kingdom"
  41. knn54
    knn54 9 August 2013 15: 43
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    08.08.08-- Russia REALLY rose from its knees. Before that, Russia CONSTANTLY made concessions to the West. Saakashvili and his curators from Washington were SURE that Russia this time would be "wiped off."
    The West was in shock. What is allowed to the "one and only" Yankees in the world is not allowed to Russia, which they HURRY to discount from the accounts ...
    THE TRUTH, there was also a vile pushing of RESPONSIBILITY to Serdyukov and his libels from the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff for the command of the North Caucasus District.
    And the Russian leadership and himself, Medvedev (the West underestimated the "replacement"), showed courage and shared with the military the responsibility for the operation to force Georgia-2.
    And do not regret Tbilisi. Georgia, under the leadership of Saakashvili, gradually came to a standstill. Now Saakashvili has FINALLY discredited himself, having appeared before the world as a dictator, in the worst sense of the word.
  42. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 9 August 2013 16: 44
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    Quote: knn54
    08.08.08-- Russia REALLY rose from its knees. Before that, Russia CONSTANTLY made concessions to the West. Saakashvili and his curators from Washington were SURE that Russia this time would be "wiped off."
    The West was in shock. What is allowed to the "one and only" Yankees in the world is not allowed to Russia, which they HURRY to discount from the accounts ...
    THE TRUTH, there was also a vile pushing of RESPONSIBILITY to Serdyukov and his libels from the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff for the command of the North Caucasus District.
    And the Russian leadership and himself, Medvedev (the West underestimated the "replacement"), showed courage and shared with the military the responsibility for the operation to force Georgia-2.
    And do not regret Tbilisi. Georgia, under the leadership of Saakashvili, gradually came to a standstill. Now Saakashvili has FINALLY discredited himself, having appeared before the world as a dictator, in the worst sense of the word.

    left to clear the top there is still something left
  43. The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 9 August 2013 18: 52
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    There should not be any independent Ossetia and Abkhazia, like many other dwarf formations - these are always puppets.
    - I remember that in 1992, a referendum was held in South Ossetia, in which 98% voted for the independence of the country. South Ossetia has never recognized itself as part of Georgia. The author spoke about the inadmissibility of the existence of dwarf states? Let it go right away to the Vatican, Monaco, the Principality of Liechtenstein and others like them.
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  45. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 9 August 2013 22: 58
    +1
    And what is the result? The result is very simple.
    A timid attempt by Russia to declare and demonstrate its rights to protect its citizens, not to mention geopolitics, arose a universal howl. And to this day, even in spite of some decision of some European structures that Georgia (it is customary to call Georgia) was the aggressor, Russia has been declared the aggressor and enemy of everything "universal".
    Here we have the result.
  46. Karabin
    Karabin 10 August 2013 00: 39
    +1
    ... is connected with the lack of a built, secured, substantive and material policy of Russia in the post-Soviet space, including in Transcaucasia.

    And in what areas is the policy of the current government built, secured, meaningful?
    This is an intermediate situation that cannot last long: it is itself potentially unstable, it is itself potentially vulnerable, and it must develop either to restore the unity of the post-Soviet space - that is, the historical Russian space, restore a full-fledged imperial organism - or to destroy Russia . The destruction of Russia as a subject.

    I agree. Just as much as Leont'ev does not speak for the empire, it becomes like an empty idle talk. Neither Putin, nor EdR, nor the people who elect them need it.
  47. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 10 August 2013 00: 54
    +1
    The USA has built the most advantageous option. The defeat of Georgia is the occupier of Russia, military actions are the rejection of Georgia from the former USSR. Just think, we fought with the Georgians !!!! With Georgians !!!!! In a nightmare, this would not have dreamed. It is as if in the USA the state of Florida would be at war with Montana ... The USA separated the young generation of Georgians from the USSR with this war. And yes, in the military sphere the Georgians fought according to Lermontov: "Timid Georgians fled ..."
  48. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 10 August 2013 01: 04
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    In addition, I’ll say that Russia is right that she didn’t wash herself and punished Sakashvili, but how did she allow him to take power? Me, born in the USSR, this war is a sickle in the balls.
  49. vanderhaas
    vanderhaas 10 August 2013 01: 41
    +1
    Well, they taught us some minor mongrels of a slander, what's the matter? They didn’t play a rodent, after all. Rodents did not want to live according to concepts, now they live according to the charter.
    The author of the article correctly noted that Russia recognized the US right to a protectorate of rodents (or what remains of it). Given the real state of affairs, this protectorate is for states that brick on eggs. McCain will smack the oak, and everyone in the states will calm down and forget that they have some kind of protectorate somewhere in the South Caucasus. With Turkey to deal. Not to mention Mexico.
  50. tracer
    tracer 10 August 2013 04: 18
    +1
    Guys ... ok and the article is good. I'll throw my penny ... or a cent. But until “we” “force” our population to reproduce, things are bad. Who tell me? Who interferes with the population? Forgive me, I'm certainly not a strong connoisseur of television in Russia or Ukraine, but look what they drive into the heads of expectant mothers? You do not know? A free life and nothing to do, care only about appearance (the predatory idea of ​​oligarchs on the consumption of resources). They say "dress up a class and meet Abramovich right away" .. I think that very many people understand the pattern of these relations, which do not apply to "life" at all. The territory of Russia is huge and colossal, but the population is not really there. And who will inhabit it ?. When you have to make a choice ... And start populating it with people who have conquered and defended this living space for centuries.
    Something skidded me, but the Georgians are not a war, they are cowards and always traitors. Sorry, but I can fully judge this, served in Georgia.