About Russian love for fast driving and the Word of the Officer

My current job involves the dense use of the Internet: plowing its endless expanses all day. Subject technical. But after all, in moments of respite, and in the free time it is necessary to distract. And I want to do it with interest and benefit. And so it turns out that I also relax “online”. Only recently I have paid attention to the fact that I spend most of this very free time here at the Military Review. Why? This Internet resource is close to me with my spirit. A variety of articles are interesting, but even more interesting are comments. Reading them, I understand that there are still a lot of intelligent people around me, people close to me with their attitude to eternal values, who are not indifferent to what is happening around. Therefore, I decided today to place here my little story. This is not an article. This is just a "talk in the smoking room." I want to hear your opinion about the situation.

So here. Yesterday, my day was overshadowed by the call of his wife: “I had an accident. The very whole, thank God. The car is broken, but it can move. Who is guilty? Theoretically, I'm right. Why theoretically? When turning left, I was hit by a traffic police officer moving in my direction, but in the oncoming lane on a company car. He wants to talk to you. ”

Then a nervous conversation with the major - the commander of the special-battalion took place. Briefly, the essence of the conversation is as follows: I do not need publicity, I suggest that we urgently deliver the car to the service, I will settle everything, I can now give money. To my answer, that I insist in principle on the observance of laws, the major openly said: “By law? Do you understand that in this case you will definitely lose? I'm going to meet you, give money, repair the car. And you, the bad ones, are going to spoil me ... ” To this I have answered even harder NO! Only by law! He gave a briefing to get in the car and carry out all the actions prescribed in this case.

After 2 minutes, psychological treatment began - again calls, money offers, persuasions, etc. “What does not suit you? Why are you behaving so inappropriately? You dig a hole for yourself, ”the major asked.

“By law, my principle. If the wife is to blame, he will answer, and even in Russian at home he will taste “birch porridge”. Yes, and I do not believe you, Mr. Major "- that was my last answer. And then I hear: "The word of the officer!". But after that I couldn’t sit on the spot and went by taxi to the place of the accident.

Word officer - an interesting combination. The word - it all started with him. Remember? "In the beginning was the WORD ...". Officer - proudly. Officer - or is, or not. After all, you can not be an officer a little bit?

Probably, it is clear to everyone that at the scene of the incident, the scale of “pressure” has increased significantly. A higher level boss was already present here. “Regiment commander” - the lieutenant colonel introduced himself - “What are you? They take care of you. You go to meet. According to law? You have no chance! Did you serve? Well, you must understand who you are trying to “butt” with. I repeat, I am the commander of the SHELF. All around in my submission. Besides, I'm local. LOCAL. Everyone knows me and I know everyone. ” In both! That is, now I’m not only living on the road will not give, but also to wait for strong people who are not burdened with morality and conscience? Y-yes ... serious OFFICERS, you will not say anything ... And they offered a bribe, and they didn’t give a damn about their duties, and other lawlessness.

In general, I remained unconvinced. We have issued everything as it should be. Five hours took the procedure. During this time, four crews arrived.

Well, 13-th number will be "epicrisis." And I am ready, of course, that the culprit will be my wife. And she, with tears in her eyes, said: “Once again, because of adherence to principles, we were left with nothing - no car, no money, no (most likely) justice.”

So did I do the right thing, that I brought the matter to execution, knowing in advance that “I knock my head against the wall”? I think - right. Is strength still in truth?

PS:
Well, and thus officers ... After all this, the Word of the Officer for them can only be KUSSUNGOB. Although not. Desecrate the sacral thing spreading caviar on a sandwich.

Comments

[serge-68-68]

Definitely correct. Any agreement and abandonment of the scene will immediately neutralize all agreements - you cannot prove anything. Judging by the description, the policeman is wrong. It would be nice to give another newsletter to the newspaper. The major can very seriously "get" in the service. And if there is decent publicity, then the probability is 99%.

[experienced]

Ready to catch stones in your garden in advance
1. I do not understand posting an article on this site. Let’s discuss tomorrow what wife’s pads are used, or what food for children to buy.
2. You have to be people on the road, I don’t want to go into details, but take a receipt from a person (documents, fix cars and a person’s words on a mobile phone that will compensate) and there are no problems
3. Horning against the law is not always right, law-by-law, but you have to live humanly
4. Traffic police officer, policeman, etc. is also a person
5. I didn’t like the officer’s word in the title of the article, but if the employee gave his word and “threw” then I would understand, but this is some kind of speculation. IMHO

Catch cons And I understand that deservedly No offense

[Anti]

Quote: seasoned

The traffic police officer is also a person

[Garrin]

Quote: Anti

Quote: seasoned
The traffic police officer is also a person


wassat

Without laughing, I knew one. The guy went through Afghan, after the army moved to Gaytsy, served in Balashikha, with the rank of captain, at the registration of cars. There were legends about his honesty. All the traffic cops were already driving cool foreign cars, and Slavka was driving an old "Tavria". Once I had an accident, through my own fault and right next to my department, so I forced my colleagues to draw up a protocol for themselves. Unfortunately, only one such I knew.

[Andrey KZ]

And we had one in Shimkent, legends still go

In 2004, Uncle Serezha was immortalized in bronze - this is what the people called the simple street traffic controller Saidakbar Satybaldiev. He became a legend during his lifetime. The elder’s glory was so great that they still know about him both old and young, although he went on a well-deserved rest in the 1978 year, and more than 10 years ago he went to another world.

The monument became an expression of universal respect for his valiant work. And like no other, he deserved it. Firstly, because he was a great professional, a god of regulatory affairs, a true master of the road. Old-timers say that boys and adults ran to watch crowds at his "conducting" work. In the traffic control department of the traffic police of the South Kazakhstan region, he served 25 years. During this time, Satybaldiev became one of the best regulators of the USSR. He was awarded the Order of Glory of the III degree and the Red Banner of Labor, Certificate of Honor of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs. In 1976, at the All-Union Traffic Inspection of Traffic Police in Moscow, he won first place, but ceded it in a gentlemanly manner to his colleague from Latvia, having returned to his homeland with the second.

And secondly, and this is probably more significant, Uncle Seryozha was a very sincere, decent, honest and fair person. I never took bribes. Everyone has an almost anecdotal story on his lips that he surely returned “surrender” to all fined drivers, that is, some part of the amount: for example, he takes a fine in 2-3 rubles, returns the ruble. Apparently, this impressed the people very much, because traffic controller Satybaldiev was not touched even during the famous June uprising of Shymkent drivers in 1967. Then the angry crowd went against the ministers of the wall, hatefully beating every person in uniform who comes across the path. “Do not touch Uncle Seryozha!” The drivers passed each other.

[Yarbay]

Quote: seasoned

Ready to catch stones in your garden in advance
1. I do not understand posting an article on this site. Let’s discuss tomorrow what wife’s pads are used, or what food for children to buy.
2. You have to be people on the road, I don’t want to go into details, but take a receipt from a person (documents, fix cars and a person’s words on a mobile phone that will compensate) and there are no problems
3. Horning against the law is not always right, law-by-law, but you have to live humanly
4. Traffic police officer, policeman, etc. is also a person
5. I didn’t like the officer’s word in the title of the article, but if the employee gave his word and “threw” then I would understand, but this is some kind of speculation. IMHO

I totally agree with you!
I’ll only add that there’s a bigger ugly approach!
May Ohr immediately pleaded guilty, agreed to compensate for all costs!
And then the word of the officer ??
Were there a civilian, would they be so principled?
The man made a mistake, the consequences are not so terrible, not rude, not rude, apologized !!
So hard to excuse a person?

[Far East]

I repeat, I am a regiment commander. Everything around is in my submission. Also, I'm local. LOCAL. Everyone knows me and I all. ”

Quote: Yarbay

So hard to excuse a person?

I've been driving for more than 20 years and got in different ways, but when they tell me I'm "local" and so fingers in the sky, I also go to the principle of me ........ one place! but with such BACLANS in the form it is impossible to do otherwise! can be human but sho would not be impudent in uniform! so he is afraid about his pension, length of service. be he in a different situation who is in shape! he would not cry from you for a long time, and set everything up! here we ourselves give them on the paw sho would not touch us, but for that we are indignant here they are! we ourselves do THESE, SUCH in the form.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Far East

I repeat, I am a regiment commander. Everything around is in my submission. Also, I'm local. LOCAL. Everyone knows me and I all. ”

According to the story, this dialogue took place after the author began to principle and insist on his own!

[matross]

Quote: Yarbay

The man made a mistake, the consequences are not so terrible, not rude, not rude, apologized !!

I totally agree! The policeman agreed to fully compensate for the damage caused, was sober and adequate. What else does the author and his wife's husband need ?! So that the officer and his superiors are drunk on the job at the very least? What for? Just out of dislike for the police? So I would have written - I hate from ko.lov and will try to shit in full, regardless of common sense! Instead of hiding behind loud phrases about "I want by law." The law, by the way, does not oblige anyone to register an accident without victims, with the mutual consent of the parties.
Article minus. To the officer and his word - plus, he did not violate him.

[S_mirnov]

Quote: matRoss

I totally agree! The policeman agreed to fully compensate for the damage caused, was sober and adequate. What else does the author and the husband of his wife need ?!

- so that such "officers" do not go on the opposite lane !!! The author's wife could have died, and what then, would you also prefer money and hush up the case?
And with your commentary and the proposed behavior, you shape future accidents. And most likely fatal. There are many examples.

[matross]

Quote: S_mirnov

so that such "officers" do not go on the opposite lane !!!

I agree with you. Driving in the oncoming lane is a serious violation. But there are also nuances - whether flashing beacons and a siren were included in the service vehicle, whether the author’s wife turned on the left turn signal, and actually looking in the mirror when making the maneuver is also not superfluous. I did not call to forgive the offenders in uniform, but only to treat others the way you want to be treated. And if the position - the cops are always cozl, then this is no longer the case under discussion.

[S_mirnov]

Quote: matRoss

I did not call to forgive the offenders in uniform, but only to treat others the way you want to be treated.

I agree that you need to act on the basis of moral criteria. But lately, there is an opinion about the police not so much as about the defenders of the people, but about the defenders of officials and oligarchs. On the part of the policeman, frauds are waiting more - they do not trust. Corruption it affects all structures of the state and the Ministry of Internal Affairs as well. And in a corrupt environment, honest officers do not survive. The system rejects them. So figure it out - to believe or not to believe. And then after all, when leaving the place of an accident (relying on the word of an officer), you can find yourself guilty around, and then sell the car and the apartment so that you do not rattle on the bunks!

[Geisenberg]

Quote: matRoss

Quote: Yarbay

The man made a mistake, the consequences are not so terrible, not rude, not rude, apologized !!

I totally agree! The policeman agreed to fully compensate for the damage caused, was

A person needs order to be respected. Nenad is here to soar for damages and other garbage. The cop who overtakes at the crossroads knows that it violates the law, and this is unacceptable. It’s time to teach you that the law is the same for everyone.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Geisenberg

It’s time to accustom you to the idea that the law is the same for everyone

higher matross correctly answered you!

Quote: matRoss

The law, by the way, does not oblige anyone to make out accidents without injuries with the mutual consent of the parties.

[dropout]

Quote: seasoned

. Traffic police officer, policeman, etc. is also a person

When he is in the service, he is primarily a representative of the LAW.
As for KUSUNGOBU, such people are more likely to kill someone.

[Fedych]

I, for some reason, understand you! - Anything could be- mb. he could have thrown it, but judging by the fact that he didn’t keep his word (not from his tough siblings, and not a criminal). What to tame steel, t. to intimidate with consequences, this already characterizes them badly. Another thing is not video and audio recording, the author could miss something, skip and distort, albeit involuntarily. I understand you! - I also do not like abstract laws when it comes to human souls and living life with an absurd involuntary incident. It already smells of the Old Testament legalism and the dead letter of literary scholarship and monasticism. Sorry for the servant and wife of the author of the article. It turns out that some cracker without a soul, faith and the possibility of forgiveness for the error of his neighbor. But this is only my opinion,

[Geisenberg]

Quote: seasoned

Catch cons And I understand that deservedly No offense

Oh, I beg you ... since you know what you catch, so why are you substituting?

[experienced]

Quote: Geisenberg

Oh, I beg you ... since you know what you catch, so why are you substituting?

I just know in advance that I’m against the majority, but I don’t want to be silent Well, minuses, well, and for almost a hundred per comment I caught and survived nothing

[Alex 241]

A strange article, the regiment commander came to an ordinary accident! And what is not the head of the traffic police? And let's be honest even to ourselves, everyone has connections in various structures in order to solve the problem quickly, this is our life. I will give a personal example. The old foreign border is over, and after a week to fly on a business trip, there are two options: to rake at work, or give money, chose the second option, a passport was made in four days.

[Anti]

Quote: Alex 241

The old foreign border is over, and after a week to fly on a business trip, there are two options: to rake at work, or give money, chose the second option, a passport was made in four days.

Yeah, it turns out you yourself did not track the validity of your passport, although by the nature of your activity it was assumed that you could be sent on a business trip, they gave you money, and those law-abiding "suckers" will wait a couple of weeks.

[Alex 241]

Absolutely legal office, normal polite staff, I would rather pay money, while feeling like a person than a disenfranchised cattle in the passport office, when they throw you documents with the words: your questionnaire is filled out incorrectly, knowing that no one will object to them.

[Anti]

So they would write, I’ll try to remove the bribe. Then it turns out they gave it indirectly. Let’s give the legal cantor to the grandmother in the passport.

[Alex 241]

Just as you would rather get a passport. So?

[Alex 241]

Or so? I think the second option is preferable

[Anti]

And imagine, I don’t have money, what should I do? After all, it is all artificially created such conditions that I need to explain this to you, you already know this.

[Alex 241]

In this regard, I have a question. If you can make a passport in a few days, what’s the time for this, a month? To break a person through the bases is a matter of one day at most. And artificially .......... the reason is one total rudeness civil servants, when they know that your fate is in their hands, I think you have come across this more than once.

[Anti]

Quote: Alex 241

what is the period, month?

and in order to force a person to flee to the same "legal" office, and who renews passports? Not a cantor but a passport office, do you think for pretty eyes? No, for the money you gave to the "legal" office.

[Alex 241]

Oleg, I agree that money goes to one boiler, as well as the very concept of a passport, an anachronism, but an occasion to once again slurp money.

[studentmati]

Quote: Anti

and in order to force a person to flee to the same "legal" office, and who renews passports? Not a cantor but a passport office, do you think for pretty eyes? No, for the money you gave to the "legal" office.

And so it is. Willingly or unwillingly, the state construction was changed in the 90s and we are reaping the fruits of the "capitalization" of society.

[Alex 241]

Sasha, I have nothing against such offices, they provide contractual services on a reimbursable basis. But at the same time I saved time, and most importantly nerves. No one is outraged that the same insurance is paid. But the meaning is one.

[studentmati]

Quote: Alex 241

Sasha, I have nothing against such offices, they provide contractual services on a reimbursable basis. But at the same time I saved time, and most importantly nerves. No one is outraged that the same insurance is paid. But the meaning is one.

I agree - this is convenient. But the goal should be such that the state for our taxes should provide an orderly and comfortable provision of public services, which it (the state) itself established.

[Alex 241]

Sash, the state so far only declares it. But on the ground it’s all, like water in the sand.

[studentmati]

Quote: Alex 241

Sash, the state so far only declares it. But on the ground it’s all, like water in the sand.

Water sharpens a stone. Our participation and support of undertakings is very important. We and only we can change our home for the better.

[Alex 241]

Sasha, you know from me it’s better not to untangle the nodes, but to cut them.

[studentmati]

Quote: Alex 241

Sasha, you know from me it’s better not to untangle the nodes, but to cut them.

Does the concept of chopping mean a direct clash? The concept of unraveling means exhausting (in this case, persistent education and direction on the right path).

We must remember the task that we must fulfill. And the methods can be different, the main goal is a strong and civilized State !!!

[Alex 241]

Sash just cancel the foreign as a document, there should be a single document proving your identity around the world.

[studentmati]

Quote: Alex 241

Sash just cancel the foreign as a document, there should be a single document proving your identity around the world.

So let's cancel! All! in our hands! (I’m ironic of course)

[Alex 241]

Sasha, can you imagine what money is spinning there?

[studentmati]

Quote: Alex 241

Sasha, can you imagine what money is spinning there?

I know! Tsssss .... That's why with such a great creak, the reform is underway in the niche of providing public services to citizens ....

[experienced]

Quote: Anti

So they would write, I’ll try to remove the bribe.

Oleg, why aren’t you sleeping? I left you to minus, but I have not yet started to plus, and I think I won’t. I just started to respect, but get up yourself ... I'm drunk, I'm sorry, I didn’t seem upset ... I saw my friend off ...

[Anti]

Hi Lyokha, everything is fine, I’m wandering off at work, I will soon charge the battery, that is, sleep. Tomorrow is the factory. Wait a minute, I’ll splash myself a cognac for the coming dream

[experienced]

Quote: Anti

Hi Lyokha, everything is fine, I’m wandering off at work, I will soon charge the battery, that is, sleep. Tomorrow is the factory. Wait a minute, I’ll splash myself a cognac for the coming dream

Plusanul Oleg, the dam broke ... , someone would say that I put Vinka plus ...
Oleg, Regards

[studentmati]

Quote: Alex 241

Absolutely legal office, normal polite staff, I would rather pay money, while feeling like a person than a disenfranchised cattle in the passport office, when they throw you documents with the words: your questionnaire is filled out incorrectly, knowing that no one will object to them.

I am sure that very soon the time will come when all these "bullies" will be re-educated. Either their jobs with state wages, or an alternative with convenience and comfort and non-horizon prices for services (certainly lower than "handouts" to "cattle").

[Alex 241]

Hi Sash. She’s just an employee of the passport office, lives two floors higher. I dispersed her as a child when on the day of the school’s seizure in Beslan I made drunken fun under the windows. Well, you understand the attitude towards me now, especially, but I’m not used to kneeling .

[studentmati]

Hi Sasha. What dispersed, then it’s right!

Kneeling down is worthless! I support with two hands!

I will say that the policy of respect for citizens, albeit with a creak, is starting to prevail and put in place all these frostbitten "civil servants".

[Alex 241]

Sasha depends on a person; very few tests are made with copper pipes.

[studentmati]

Quote: Alex 241

Sasha depends on a person; very few tests are made with copper pipes.

It all depends on and only on the person. From his upbringing, conscience, spirituality, education ...

[Geisenberg]

Quote: serge-68-68

Definitely correct. Any agreement and abandonment of the scene will immediately neutralize all agreements - you cannot prove anything. Judging by the description, the policeman is wrong. It would be nice to give another newsletter to the newspaper. The major can very seriously "get" in the service. And if there is decent publicity, then the probability is 99%.

There is also an OSB, in 5 hours you can also call a newspaper and make a video for YouTube ...

In general, judging by everything, if a person would agree to a world fig, he would just do something. Only the cars parted and he would have been told "goodbye."

[experienced]

I once had a case when I loaded my purchases into the car at the Metro parking lot and some kind of "monkey with a grenade" bumped into the kenguryatnik. I told her that I had no complaints and offered to leave, but to no avail, it was said that her car was insured and it was necessary to issue an accident. Pancake waited for about an hour gaytsev, blocking the passage (her car was parked across the passage), they listened to many "pleasant" words. Gays arrived and this sheep declares that it was I who rammed it, my jaw dropped ... My car is parked in the parking lane, the rear wheels are rested against the curb, that is, it is clear that I did not move a centimeter, the Gay was laughing like a horse. As a result, during registration it turned out that the lady had a simple OSAGO and what the hell we were waiting for is not clear. To my question: “Why did you need this hemorrhoid?”, Lowering her gaze, she said: “Your car is expensive, but I need painting now”. I was shocked ...

[Joker]

Opinion is divided 50 / 50, and then you are surprised, but why do we have corruption around and srach, of course, 50%, and this is from healthy people, not from the current youth, would gladly hush up the matter, and then you become the boss and for grandmas pushing projects, and what a person does not help? It’s because of people like you who give a damn about traffic rules, because always people like you rely on a soldier’s traffic policeman, and so on with everything else, you call it squeaking, and I call it a clear civil position. What kind of people and power.

[domokl]

You have definitely done the right thing. Of course, you will lose some money on repairs, but otherwise you will win. In fact, now the traffic police and the police in general are very sensitive to such incidents.
But the emphasis on the fact that the traffic cop officer was not made correctly. If someone else, the director of some company or official, would have happened the same thing. The desire to hush up the matter amicably if everyone is to blame.
And the major understands that, together with the car, he loses a lot of a post, a job in the police, a pension, and other benefits. And he twitched ...

[El13]

And you are all so correct and have never violated a single rule in your life, even, probably, you do not exceed the speed and, in general, do not relate to traffic rules in life? And you certainly will not twitch if, because of your desire to cut a right angle (in a figurative expression) and get a little caught in this fraud, risking because of this you will lose earnings for yourself and your loved ones, including your pension ... You, of course run to court yourself and say, "Citizens of the judge, punish me, I'm so bad." Did I get it right?
The article plus for the question posed, although it is not appropriate for this resource, does not agree with the author: Life is not riding on rails, but a creative process and yes, sometimes there are wars and people are killed ... it’s not right, but life it is.

[Anti]

Quote: El13

Your desire to cut a right angle (in figurative terms) and slightly fall for this fraud, risking losing your earnings for yourself and your loved ones, including a pension.

If you think about work and family, then you won’t cut a corner.

[El13]

Well, well ... tell this to some American, maybe he will believe you, but I don’t need to.

[Anti]

Quote: El13

Well, well ... tell this to some American, maybe he will believe you, but I don’t need to.

Strange, I also do not believe you, this is a matter of course.

[My address]

You're right. The more people respect themselves, the sooner order in the country will come.

Yesterday contacted the gas service. The job turned out to be a bit difficult and there was some part of my fault. I told the locksmiths that I respect myself and want to pay extra. The brigadier replied that they also respect themselves. And what they did is part of their responsibilities and will not take money. It turns out that the brigadier was an officer, and the officers indicated in the article were a shelupony.

[DmitryDmitry]

this `` officer '' behaved disgustingly this is undeniable! But answer this question, if civilian Vasya Pupkin was driving, would you also understand the law according to the law or would you agree to hush up the case?

[ded10041948]

Judging by the intensified "gestures" of the police officers, they had serious problems with proving their case! Would be right - he himself would have insisted on calling the traffic police. And shouting about and without "Word of the officer!" this is not an officer, but a stuffed animal in uniform!

[crazy_fencer]

Our cops have such a concept "the word of honor of the operative." If someone is unclear about something, this is such an honest word that cannot be trusted under any circumstances. "The word of the officer" from the mouth of the traffic police, and even in such a situation it looks even worse. Formally speaking, a person who is obliged to defend the law (not to mention the fact that he should be the first to observe it) insists on breaking it himself, and even hiding behind the words of an officer. Disgusted. You are absolutely right in this situation, but alas, based on domestic realities, it makes sense to prepare for the worst. The option is quite possible, as in the old bike:
- "The head of the city traffic police department, driving an official car while intoxicated, crashed into the wall of the city library. When analyzing the accident, it was revealed that the building of the city library in front of him crossed a double solid line 8 times, and at the time of the accident it was moving in the oncoming lane."

[Oper.ru]

Dear, did you have the honor to chat with the criminal investigators? Usually, such communication is awarded to persons who are not inclined to comply with the law or someone else's rights.

[korvin1976]

Good day to all.
Malleus on the one hand, and probably in this situation with the main one, you did the right thing. Law is law! And if you look from the other side? From the human side?
Consider this situation completely from the side of the law.
1. The officer of GAI, is guilty of violation of traffic regulations. Since the blame must answer in all severity of the law.
2. It threatens him a little that with cash costs, but also with dismissal from work. I do not think that each of us would like to stay in this situation.

But ... that’s what the law says.

Consider now the human side.
Which of us does not violate traffic rules?
ALL violates, someone more, someone less.
The difference between more and less depends only on the reasons preventing them from violating these very rules:
- fear of punishment, we do not have, in which case, just "otmazatsya";
- understanding of the rules themselves, why they are needed and why;
- Well, at the end of principle, not violating the very rules themselves.
What do we have as a result:
any of us fall into such a situation in the place of a traffic police officer, and threaten him with dismissal from work and, in addition to this, material expenses in DUAL size (restoration of the official car and the car of the victim), did exactly the same as he did, the same traffic police officer in this situation , I would try to reduce PERSONAL losses to a minimum, that is, to pay for the restoration of the victim’s car.

For some reason, we have recently had some kind of one-sidedness, something that is more profitable for us, and we consider it as the UNEVERLY correct option. If the law is FAVORABLE to us, then we go only according to this option, but leave everything human. If the Human option is beneficial for us, we spit on the law, and at the same time call this law stupid.
We live in a world where there are two types of laws: State and Human, so let's all the same find a compromise between them, and not look for one-sided solutions.

Malleus, I repeat, you did the right thing, you tried to protect your interests. Not the fact that if you went on about, and hushed up this matter to the level of oral agreements "The word of the officer", you would get at least something. Although, on the other hand, we are all HUMANS, and you can always find certain compromises to solve certain problems.

[Grbear]

Respected korvin1976, I would love to talk with you about Human Relations, which involve, at a minimum, relationships between equals. But you should distinguish between situations.
Firstly, the officer immediately turned on the force pressure, i.e. the habit of solving problems this way worked. Consequently, there is no question of any Human ways of resolving speech.
Secondly, he is the sovereign man, much has been given to him, but much should be asked. This applies to all public servants, at any level and in proportion to it.
About the "Officer's Word". At the time of my youth there were friends of "Letyokhi". So, one of them blurted out this magic word somewhere and did not keep it. And in the regiment was court of officer honor. Letekha wrote a rapport and all. Now how? with this case.
ps The cops, in my opinion, deliberately level the concept of "Officer" in their ranks.

[DmitryDmitry]

Quote: GrBear

ps The cops, in my opinion, deliberately level the concept of "Officer" in their ranks.

You don’t have to let everyone out. there are a lot of freaks in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and in other departments, since there are a lot of them in principle! there are worthy people in the police, even if they are not the majority, and saying that there is no concept of an officer in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, at least not correctly! And if the conversation has already begun, then you want to say that now only some people of honor serve in the Armed Forces of honor and only in the police moral ur.dy?

[korvin1976]

Dear, GrBear.
If you misunderstood my humble provincial syllable, I apologize for such a low-spoken statement of my thoughts at the moment.
Having written about Human Relations, I wrote about the situation as a whole, and not in a particular case. I apologize for misleading you with my unreasonable speeches. I hope for your understanding.
Regarding your letter, I can state my thoughts as follows:
There is a phrase, as you write, sovereign man.
And in these two words I catch a double meaning: the sovereign man and the sovereign man. Change of capitalization leads to a change in the meaning of these two words. Have you noticed the difference in how the wordplay changes?
With regard to the situation considered in this particular case, I wrote my thoughts, because I see the situation as a whole, and not in private, so to speak I poured out my modest world observations, in connection with the fleeting impulse that this article prompted me to.

[Baron Wrangell]

And I'm curious why this major was so scared if there was a simple road accident, no casualties, he was sober, they wouldn’t be fired for that !!!! But he will receive a reprimand and pay for the repair of a company car and repair of someone else's car, and that's it. But if drunk, then yes, you have to scramble, then they can kick out with a bang. And the "word of an officer", especially a traffic cop, cannot be trusted! By the way, as an officer, I can say that such words are not scattered about.

[kavkaz8888]

We are fired for traffic accidents. Everything is done only so that the commanders do not get it. Then buy off is VERY expensive.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Baron Wrangell

And I’m curious that this major was so scared if a simple accident, without casualties, he is sober, DO NOT BE FIRED for this !!!!

According to our laws, an accident occurs only as a result of a violation of traffic rules, which in turn is a violation of the law. The law cannot be broken, especially the cop. After he is found guilty of an accident, he will be fired and forced to pay the cost of damaged equipment.

[KazaK Bo]

No matter how tight the rope twists ... it will end anyway! So for this major with the lieutenant colonel. Well, for you - advice! If you think that you are not guilty of the accident - make this fact widely public! And not only in your region! There you will not achieve much ... and the local media are unlikely to publish your cry! Get out on decent Russian sites ... on the press ... on TV! As cockroaches are afraid of the light, so these "guardians of the law" are afraid of publicity. These are the words of my friend's son, a traffic cop ... We, said the son of a traffic cop, almost never get in touch with those who demand the protocol, but with real witnesses, and not from our car. And where will I find these witnesses when 10-15 minutes have passed! We try even more to do everything in accordance with the law when the victim calls on TV!
Boldly and everything will be fine!

[vladsolo56]

Everything is true, but it was necessary to somehow fix everything on video and put it on the network, they are terribly afraid of publicity, it’s good that they have not yet forbidden to upload all materials like this to the network.

[deman73]

The officer’s word as a concept has long been transformed into some kind of incomprehensible expression, and rarely does anyone behave like a real officer, and now they’re educating not officers but their semblance

[strange and pretty meaningless]

I agree - the officer's word was filled with meaning, when other officers could be shot for failure to comply. And the current "organs" of the military spirit, in general, do not contain, on the whole - it is a rat. They eat each other easily, yes - that's why they are afraid of publicity.

Not unfounded. At one time, I had the honor to act as the author of an article - in a different situation, not connected with the road. Ogreb at most do not indulge, unfortunately. So far, such as the author in the minority, we will live EVERYTHING - in a confused state.

[creak]

What kind of police, such and officers ... Now, wherever you look, everyone is in uniform, with asterisks, now even officers are in customs. As you know, the quantity turned into quality ...

[kind]

I did everything right, I approve! If there is a law, why do some transactions.

[Normal]

The officer's word from the traffic cop? This "that faq cannot be" No, I admit that among themselves they adhere to certain norms and rules (although I have examples that this is not so), but in relation to ordinary people ... It's like the word of a thief in law, which he is obliged to keep only in relation to the same as he, and in relation to fraer eared thief is not obliged to keep his word. It is the same as in the mouth of a merchant from the Caucasus; "Ti chito ?! Don't believe me? I swear by my mom !!" The development of the situation with the part of the head of the traffic cop is confirmation of this.
The author of fortitude and good luck.

[experienced]

Quote: Normal

The officer’s word from the traffic cop?

Damn, well, that's how we love stamps ... But it’s nothing that they are people with their weaknesses, but also with their own character, maybe I’m lucky, but I also came across good traffic cops (as I called them). Before branding, let’s remember that they die too, so that there will be no lawlessness on the roads

[ded10041948]

Among the traffic police there are many decent and honest, but, unfortunately, they are judged mainly by freaks with epaulets!

[Mhpv]

Quote: ded10041948

Among the traffic police there are many decent and honest,

Alas, there are more freaks with epaulettes. Since 2006, I've been on business trips by car a lot and got caught four or five times under all sorts of divorces from "decent" cops, I won't hide a couple of times fought off, no couple, I couldn't understand right away, especially when you driving for more than two weeks at once and you will not figure it out.
The traffic police turned itself into a punitive body instead of regulating so let them know that punishment is inevitable for them.
More and more convinced that you need to put the DVR.

[Yarbay]

Quote: seasoned

maybe I'm lucky, but I also came across good traffic cops (called old

[experienced]

Yarbay, Thank you good soviet movie with Nikonenko

[Normal]

Quote: seasoned

Damn, that's how we love stamps ...

Alexei, what stamps? Well, I’m not 17 years old and not a year old at the wheel. All from personal experience, what kind of cliches?

Quote: seasoned

. And it’s nothing that these are people with their weaknesses, but also with their own character, maybe I’m lucky, but I also came across some good GAI officers (as I called them in the old way).

Yes, and I have familiar traffic cops whom I can call good. But they are good to me, and as soon as they are not familiar with a person in front of them .... I understand that God forbid to get to such a stranger.
No, it happened that just an absolutely unfamiliar inspector turned out to be a completely conscientious performer of his duties and a decent person, but no more than ten people saw such in his entire life and this was, as a rule, in such a situation when, according to the law, the inspector could not show me anything ... But when, according to the law, I am wrong (albeit not intentionally), when FORMALLY THE INSPECTOR HAS SOMETHING TO FIT FOR ... where does that go and where does that come from. Here the inspector speaks exclusively from the position of strength and the letter of the law. But as soon as the matter is resolved "on the spot" by "providing material support" to the uninhibited strata of the population, you have a guy in front of you who is ready to hug you and with disgusting pity explaining that it is not they who are like this.

Quote: seasoned

Before branding, let’s remember that they die too, so that there will be no lawlessness on the roads

I do not argue - they die, but serve, but how else? This is their function and should not be otherwise. But drivers die on the roads and passengers and pedestrians, and not always through their own fault, but often because of the fact that the servants are poorly related to their duties.
And when the traffic cop himself violates what it is his direct responsibility to monitor compliance ... Moreover, if this leads to an accident ... And then he offers to solve the problem without a protocol .... I would have thought a hundred times, consulted with the familiar traffic cops , and most likely would have insisted on the protocol.
Of course there are normal, honest traffic cops, but the system is not sharpened for them.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: seasoned

Quote: Normal

The officer’s word from the traffic cop?

Damn, well, that's how we love stamps ... But nothing that these are people with their weaknesses, but also with their

Never mind. Nothing good. If this is an Officer, as he claims, then such a conversation is simply inappropriate. The officer who is responsible for the word does not allow such weaknesses.

[Middle-brother]

I wish the author to win the trial. And I respect for principle. Respect.

[dmb]

In Germany, you are definitely right. In Russia, I have no definite answer. Mercy to the fallen is what has always distinguished the Russian from the German. On my own I can say that if they started to "press", I would have acted the same way as you, if asked, perhaps I would have agreed, believing the officer's word. For some reason, the word "traffic cop" is associated exclusively with meanness. And how to evaluate the one whom the drunken brute dragged on the hood of his foreign car, and he risked his own life tried to stop him. At the same time, he gets much less than a drunken cattle driving.

[Yarbay]

Quote: dmb

In Germany, you are certainly right. In Russia, I don’t have a clear answer

[Gray-haired Siberian]

I agree with you completely.

[erased]

He made a bet - how long the lawlessness in the country will last, how many more people will trample in, and he will endure. Apparently, the boiling point is still far away. And the statements of some visitors to the site show that there are enough of those who are ready to lick ... well, let the legs of all these owners of life be long.
Apparently, when they simply kill the Russians in the streets for an oblique look at the owners, for refusing to give money, an apartment, a wife, then something will budge. And judging by the trend, this is just around the corner ...

[valokordin]

Quote: dmb

In Germany, you are definitely right. In Russia, I have no definite answer. Mercy to the fallen is what has always distinguished the Russian from the German. On my own I can say that if they started to "press", I would have acted the same way as you, if asked, perhaps I would have agreed, believing the officer's word. For some reason, the word "traffic cop" is associated exclusively with meanness. And how to evaluate the one whom the drunken brute dragged on the hood of his foreign car, and he risked his own life tried to stop him. At the same time, he gets much less than a drunken cattle driving.

Dmitry, you are right, your analysis of the situation is accurate and concise. Yes, one must be condescending and be able to forgive other people's mistakes, but if power crush has already begun, one must stand to the end. And a major can be left without a pension, a salary, and become a guard in a private security company. Although after drawing up the protocol, the major is obliged to compensate for the damage and he will do it, and the violation of traffic rules may be recognized as insignificant, related to official duties and he may remain to serve. It all depends on the general.

[YaRusich]

what kind of power crush? The traffic policeman immediately offered to pay damages and pay for repairs, and within the framework of the law.

[Fedych]

You see, how you and yours and the like do not understand and do not accept. All thoughts around a possible negative, such as the old one, are not planted for no reason. Everything is the old way! - It’s better to strangle a dozen innocent people, too, than to release one of the possible perpetrators. Neither personality, nor humanity, nor law and love. The feeling that Russia from the Jews of Jews did not accept the New Testament, but the Old with its legalism, the bare and dead letter of literalism.

[YaRusich]

on the part of the law, road accident participants (without casualties and bodily) can and have the right to sort out the scene. The offer of the traffic police officer is quite normal and complies with the law and to some extent noble as he pleaded guilty to an accident without troubles, although he could solve everything without payments and in his favor.

What is the author’s benefit? Shit policeman and all? And when he himself will drive in kudanibut - will it also be so fundamental? and if God forbid with bodily or victims? Or tell his wife - to blame is sit?

Once again I will repeat the LAW participants in an accident (without casualties and bodily) can and have the right to understand on the spot.

and registration is necessary in order to officially admit someone's guilt, and to demand compensation through the court, but after all the traffic cop admitted guilt and was ready to compensate. Then the point? Shit out of mischief? (excuse me, I don’t see any principle here). That traffic cop is a man! And with the author, I would not want to meet on the road ....

[experienced]

Quote: YaRusich

on the part of the law, road accident participants (without casualties and bodily) can and have the right to sort out the scene.

Well done, at least one understands that you can’t write life into the framework of the Law

Quote: YaRusich

The offer of the traffic police officer is quite normal and complies with the law and to some extent noble as he pleaded guilty to an accident without troubles, although he could solve everything without payments and in his favor.

100% agree with you

Quote: YaRusich

What is the author’s benefit? Shit policeman and all?

I join the question

Quote: YaRusich

And with the author, I would not want to meet on the road ....

Correct: With the author’s wife

[Yarbay]

Quote: seasoned

Well done, at least one understands that you can’t write life into the framework of the Law

So a big one because the traffic police officer acted according to the law))))

[AlexAl]

My brother got into an accident five years ago. It was in Belarus and he himself is Belarus. The second participant in the accident pleaded guilty and offered to solve it amicably, my brother agreed, took his word for it. They estimated the damage at $ 150, exchanged addresses. And that was the case. a month passed, another, a third. Brother went to find out the question, ONE. There was no talk of any showdown and in the thoughts too. I ate it. In the evening, a call from the 6th department. Were there and there? "Yes, there was," the brother replies. "On what question"?
"Show up there again - 8 years for extortion." So, I think it is definitely correct that everything was drawn up. In any case, you need to draw up papers and take receipts. And the words are so, especially for officers giving right and left "Officer's word". I have seen enough people in uniform, including acquaintances, and I do not believe even the most decent, and I try not to intersect with employees at all.

[strange and pretty meaningless]

Quote: YaRusich

... he pleaded guilty to an accident without troubles, although he could have decided everything without payment and in his favor.

No, what a noble aficiary. Like - he went to meet, otherwise he could be angry with the slave. Even "somewhat noble." We beat him with a forehead. I Gusich, truly.

[Krsk]

Malleus, good luck with your spouse ... Be sure to describe how it will end if desire ... And it seems to me that these little people with stars on their shoulders (on their shoulders because there can be no epaulettes) are not officers ... Explain for a long time but those who knows will understand.


PS Good luck again

[matross]

Quote: KrSk

And it seems to me that these little people with stars on their shoulders (it’s on their shoulders because there can’t be a shoulder strap on scum) are not officers ... Explain for a long time but those who know will understand.

Where did these conclusions come from? Offended by life? All the same, no reason for unmotivated insults! And those who know you now do not understand ...

[Krsk]

Quote: matRoss

Where did these conclusions come from? Offended by life? All the same, no reason for unmotivated insults! And those who know you now do not understand

That is, the behavior of police officers is the typical behavior of an officer ??? But I do not propose to shoot, but why persuade and intimidate? Yes, and a frivolous attitude to the words: The word of the officer ... At least not serious

PS I wrote for those who understand ...

[Asgard]

They renamed the police ........, and the police killed my Grandfather during the war (they helped the invaders)) ... and said
-Good man will never be a policeman!))))
I agree with Grandfather (occupation is obvious)).
We have a prosecutor killed a girl for 25 years. Moreover, he was drunk and, as it turned out later, having no rights (he bought a car and everywhere showed prosecutor’s crusts)), which is interesting that day, I met the traffic police and told them to stop and pull Sergei out of the wheel because I saw that he was drinking brandy in the bar .
As a result, the death of the girl on the footpath. Popugaeva Irina(Kingdom to her, heaven)) the child was two years old.
What am I doing. The guy got a suspended sentence (dad helped, also a prosecutor))
The case lasted three years. I had to finance a lawyer from St. Petersburg. But the judges, prosecutors, (then) the cops resisted JUSTICE ....
And Wait, it’s not clear, justice has been restored ????
An eye for an eye.
The world will come into balance with the death of the prosecutor’s son ......
or I'm wrong.
The dialect ....

[Fedych]

Alas! - in this world there is no complete justice and reasonable and understandable retribution-retribution. But this does not mean that this does not need to be sought and desired and followed, even if only in the process and facts of one’s life. The authorities from above in the person of various officials have finally become cut off and openly spit in the face of the people in one case or another. But understanding and learning, we are looking for a way out of this. Otherwise, again the dictatorship with all its costs and excesses. The anonymity of the city and its power makes the man of Russia completely defenseless. Where are we to fraternities and fraternities, mutual support of the natives of Wed Asia and the Caucasus is not about their excesses and criminality, but about their humanity, brotherhood and other things in the positive sense of the word for us. So we need to learn to see, think, analyze and really act with a point of support on our own and our own people throughout the face of the earth, not only not narrowing this world and circle, but also expanding it, and at the expense of introducing their own, and others, into this in their language, culture and stage of history.

[Krsk]

And dad prosecutor bonus

[Anti]

That's when there were real police officers, People !!!!

[max702]

To the author, do not hesitate to write to the Minister of Internal Affairs, the head of the traffic police of Russia, and even write to the Russian Presidential Administration there sometimes they really react to such lawlessness (and he will be sure) there were precedents and the reaction was very harsh. Won't be worse, hold on!

[Duelist]

Well, if money, the "officer's word" and threats were used, then they definitely want to throw you. And the unauthorized abandonment of the accident site is the least of the evils that they will give you, even with a signed sheet "I have no complaints", do not forget they are representatives of the authorities and as soon as the slightest opportunity arises, they will turn everything inside out. You are doing RIGHT! Good luck to you!

[Vladimir 9322]

Which officer is this? There are practically no decent people there, unfortunately. And the general from the police-police is generally a discredit of the rank of general in the army. They put the title on one board for responsibility and tasks. In Germany, the traffic cop removes the accident scene with a broom, sprinkles oil stains with sand. There they are respected for the cause. And these...

[Gardamir]

It's Complicated. But for some reason, from Soviet times, I did not consider police officers with asterisks officers. The military may be officers and give the floor. And these ... From childhood I remember the stories of my father about that war. And for the rest of my life I remembered that the policemen are those who betray the Motherland and serve the enemy. So I don’t have confidence in these. So you did everything right

[DmitryDmitry]

the police in Russia were still under the tsar, this is so as to replenish your meager historical stock of knowledge. and about who the officer is and who is not, the military officers (who are called Hans for some reason) in one part of my city are mainly engaged in drinking and smoking ... and the boys of the opera every night risk a bullet or a knife from a ghoul narik to catch. And which one is an officer? AND?

[Oper.ru]

And those men from the Armed Forces who rode in the Far Eastern train, by the way armed, on whose eyes crooks disarmed the police officers, and then robbed 50% of their police officers, and they looked at it silently - the officers?

[xczszs]

The other day, I accidentally stumbled upon a site for checking fines in the traffic police, and by the way there you can dispute and pay online. For example, for 2 days I challenged 3 fines for a total of about 17 rubles. try it yourself, here is the link to the service - http://krz.ch/mbaza

[Oper.ru]

How tired of listening, reading, and so on. Yes, disband us and everyone will be fine.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Oper.ru

How tired of listening, reading, and so on. Yes, disband us and everyone will be fine.

With great pleasure. I would also transplant everyone, because there are 10-15 years for every sinner.

Yes, behold, in your place it is not worth saying "us". You werewolves, a separate conversation.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Geisenberg

With great pleasure. I would also transplant everyone, because there are 10-15 years for every sinner.

Yes, behold, in your place it is not worth saying "us". You werewolves, a separate conversation.

You are not right!
Both people and police officers are different!
How painful is society, so are its organs!

[Fedych]

Under the advice, I was a driver at the SGP. I accidentally got under the agitation or something. It was all 3 years under the contract, many of which I had seen enough and participated. That’s why he left that the authorities did not know and did not know about our double-often life and internal conspiracy theories and its obligations, therefore, understanding you, I do not accept the blasphemy. Where is it really good and sinless in Russia? - Yes, nowhere! And then they didn’t like the cops, they didn’t help, but for 87 rubles a day and with risk and rudeness towards us. And for those pennies (- since there was a cool showdown and out of the hundreds of onlookers surrounding, nobody helped so much. Evil took it and thought it was such a lazy and always drunk herd! - well, squeeze each other’s shit and impotent people like you and And as I see, nothing has changed since then, alas!

[Max_Bauder]

Quote: seasoned

Ready to catch stones in your garden in advance
1. I do not understand posting an article on this site. Let’s discuss tomorrow what wife’s pads are used, or what food for children to buy.
2. You have to be people on the road, I don’t want to go into details, but take a receipt from a person (documents, fix cars and a person’s words on a mobile phone that will compensate) and there are no problems
3. Horning against the law is not always right, law-by-law, but you have to live humanly
4. Traffic police officer, policeman, etc. is also a person
5. I didn’t like the officer’s word in the title of the article, but if the employee gave his word and “threw” then I would understand, but this is some kind of speculation. IMHO

Catch cons And I understand that deservedly No offense

I agree with you, you need to live a human life, no one intentionally (except for fraudsters) makes an accident, but if an officer threatens, but does not ask, you could tell him about it, they say you ask, but don’t threaten, I can also go on principle , and if I agree only to forgive you, like that.
And about the word, he’s also right, yes, if only he said but didn’t, then you could go to his office and say in front of others YOU ARE NOT OFFICER, EVEN NOT A MAN, and show a video where he promises, but doesn’t.

[Geisenberg]

The author, I sympathize with my heart, condolences to my wife. For the future, I recommend that you take possession of the anti-fouling arsenal like this: find the OSB phone, immediately after such offers call there, call 02 in parallel, call the duty department and explain that the employee is threatening you and that you need help, they write down there so at least for that. Find a contact in the newspaper, in a local TV in general somewhere in the media, they need to be pulled up to immediately covered. Then find witnesses and take their data, they will be needed for the trial. Get a voice recorder and a recorder - write down everything that they say to you, speak less yourself; ideally, you just need to be silent. And most importantly - evil is afraid of the light of God. Pull the werewolf on public display, let everyone see it into the light.

something like

[matross]

Quote: Geisenberg

condolences to spouse

Well, here you are in a hurry. He seems to be still alive
Or do you have other information? Maybe the werewolves soaked the honest guy in uniform already?

[Pacifist]

In everyday life, it’s probably stupid, but in human terms he agrees with the author and, in my opinion, he did the right thing. We got these small-town owners. And from practice ... after considering the case, if they decide it is not in your favor and you feel the truth, write a statement to the prosecutor’s office with a description of the situation and everything that happened in this case, and involve journalists in this case. The greater the noise, the harder it is for them to stir up.

I wish you success.

[falcon]

Here it is necessary to understand that you, the author, were disturbed in this situation? Unwillingness under any circumstances
go beyond the law (principle)? So in your case, the law allows you to settle on
place, without a protocol, this situation. But, you, apparently, were afraid that the culprit of the accident
fulfill his promises. To check whether he will keep his word or not, it was possible only experienced
by the way. And leaving the scene of an accident, your legal status (you are the culprit, or the victim) will depend
solely on the decency of this person, and then you won’t get any receipts to business.
But the man is weak. So they did the right thing, there was no other way out.

[Duelist]

It is possible to settle an accident without the police: 1) BUT only when the damage is not great 2) Your "opponent" is an adequate person and has the same goals with you. 3) You receive a receipt in your hands that he has no complaints against you (and other evidence from clause 2).
If at least a note appears, that WE ARE BOYARS ... and you SLAVES ... act strictly on evidence line, by law.

[Vlaleks48]

The author is a big plus!
It is clear that by his actions against the "locals" he goes to the embrasure.

But the "officer's word" from the lips of the "police" is generally on the verge of mockery.
Who is the officer? Is it Major Yevsyukov or a death gaiter with banknotes in a cap !?
A very long time ago, an officer who came to serve in the Ministry of Internal Affairs maintained a rank even in an insignificant post. This rule did not apply to the armed forces.
With the transformation of the police commissioner into a general, officers will not appear!
And today, sheer total responsibility! SUCCESSES to the author!

[DmitryDmitry]

Some names of employees of the Trans-Baikal Ministry of Internal Affairs killed in the line of duty. and how many are there throughout the country ...

1) Lazarev Alexander Nikolaevich The lieutenant of militia (1958-1996) left for detention the first to burst into the house. At that moment, a shot from a shotgun sounded. A.N. Lazarev was mortally wounded in the head.

2) Zhelnin Yuri Filippovich Ensign of the police (1958-2010) An attacker attacked the policeman from behind and stabbed him several times with a knife in the neck and face. In the course of the ensuing struggle, a wounded policeman knocked out a knife from a criminal, but wounds, one of which turned out to be fatal.

3) Shchedrinov Alexander Ivanovich Senior lieutenant of the police (1959-1993) arrived to detain the suspect, who had a military hand grenade. When a grenade was seized, an explosion occurred. As a result, he received injuries, from which he died in a hospital.

4) Yelizov Roman Viktorovich Senior Ensign of the Police (1977 - 2011) Children were taken out of the house with militants. At this time, firing from automatic weapons opened from the roof of the house. Elizov covered this group. At this time, received a fatal gunshot wound.

5) Tsyrenzhapov Tsyren Vladimirovich Police lieutenant (1984 - 2005) four military servicemen committed the killing of three officers and, having seized three machine guns and a large number of rounds of ammunition, unauthorizedly left the location of the outpost in an UAZ - 469 car. The group, which included Tsyren Tsyrenzhapov, left for interception. On a narrow section of the road, the criminals deliberately rammed a car and opened fire from machine guns at police officers through a windshield from a distance of 1,5-2 meters. Despite the fact that C.V. Tsyrenzhapov received a gunshot wound, he managed to get out of the car and start firing from service weapons, trying to suppress the fire of criminals. The machine of criminals was disabled by return fire. During the ensuing skirmish, police officers died, but stopped the criminals and did not allow them to go to the federal highway Chita - Khabarovsk.

6) Minin Vadim Viktorovich Police lieutenant (1973-2002) a group of officers of the SOBR Internal Affairs Directorate of the Chita Region and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Khakassia after conducting reconnaissance and search activities returned to the temporary deployment center. In the Oktyabrsky district of Grozny, a group was blown up by a land mine. Police lieutenant Minin Vadim Viktorovich received multiple wounds, and died from his wounds.

7) Samarin Maxim Viktorovich Police lieutenant (1982-2003) the criminals kept watch for a policeman near his house and brutally beat him. It was discovered by passers-by in the morning and taken to the hospital. Without regaining consciousness, he died

8) Razgonyaev Alexey Nikolaevich Senior police sergeant (1966 - 1994) Razgonyaev tried to calm the brawlers, but the drunken company did not respond to the remark of the policeman. One of the aggressive men approached Razgonyaev, under his open jacket was an automaton. Shots rang out that cut short the life of a policeman.

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[tilovaykrisa]

Quote: Yarbay

Quote: seasoned

Ready to catch stones in your garden in advance
1. I do not understand posting an article on this site. Let’s discuss tomorrow what wife’s pads are used, or what food for children to buy.
2. You have to be people on the road, I don’t want to go into details, but take a receipt from a person (documents, fix cars and a person’s words on a mobile phone that will compensate) and there are no problems
3. Horning against the law is not always right, law-by-law, but you have to live humanly
4. Traffic police officer, policeman, etc. is also a person
5. I didn’t like the officer’s word in the title of the article, but if the employee gave his word and “threw” then I would understand, but this is some kind of speculation. IMHO

I totally agree with you!
I’ll only add that there’s a bigger ugly approach!
May Ohr immediately pleaded guilty, agreed to compensate for all costs!
And then the word of the officer ??
Were there a civilian, would they be so principled?
The man made a mistake, the consequences are not so terrible, not rude, not rude, apologized !!
So hard to excuse a person?

If the law is crushed once, then another, and then they plug holes in the investigation, as you and I will, then this will not be the law, but a brush.

It’s precisely the habit of negotiating bypassing the law that leads to corruption, the traffic cop bought off, the policeman paid off, visitors, too, are not blind to see that they can bypass the law like that, that’s all the misfortune of our country from such morality.

[Yarbay]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

That's the habit of negotiating bypassing the law

So the law does not apply to a person in the form ??
Why do civilians have the right to agree on the spot to indemnify for damage and is it legal !?
And for a person in the form there ??
And if it’s illegal, I agree with you!
But not this case!

[Grigorich 1962]

the situation is ambiguous .... and we only hear "one" side ...... The traffic cops behaved like ordinary citizens who did not want trouble ..... in our ... in Russian ... but about the words of the officer .... here I agree with you ..... traffic cops are not officers ..... by definition ...... they were given this title ... but they did not deserve it .... as a rule ... and they understand their duty, for the most part, this is work for themselves ... ... here are our officers in uniform of traffic cops ... ordinary people ... only doomed by the authorities .... which \ ruined many of them .......

[matross]

And why is this little story posted on VO? Is it a military, patriotic or political theme? Or will we turn into a forum of the liberal intelligentsia? And soon we will start reading articles in the spirit of: "I’m pgishol to a rally, and the swearing riot police grabbed me on the bus, hogosho, that one satgap managed to hit him on the back with a flag"? Or maybe "I was standing with a rainbow flag near the village council, and they tied me up, but I managed to photograph them all, look at the stranglers of freedom on YouTube"? Variants of comments - "a person expressed his position, but his ...", "swampy ... stubby will not work!", Choose who is closer to what.
It is clear to all sane people that labels are cops of co-ozl, warriors are tupari, and firefighters, for example, loafers, are from the vocabulary of our ideological opponents. I suggest that the administration of the resource relate to the placement of materials more legibly! And the escalation of hysteria around law enforcement agencies does not contribute to the education of patriotic feelings among citizens. And the article, for my taste, is rotten. I do not want to offend the author, but it is one-sided, which is natural when you are one of the parties to the conflict. However, I wish all participants in this incident to get out of it with the least possible losses!

[washi]

There is a Law. It is possible to use the phrase "Officer's word" only to comply with the law.

[Trapperxnumx]

The article left a mixed impression. On the one hand, lawlessness must be punished, but on the other hand, it is precisely "lawlessness" that is not visible from the article. The policeman was driving along the opposite lane, but through a solid one? Didn't see it. If it was solid, then I am completely on the side of the author, if not, then no. It is forbidden to interfere with a vehicle that has started overtaking. Just imagine the situation, you go to overtake - and then the car turns on the turn signal and starts turning left. And how to be? And the actions of the policeman could well be connected with the unwillingness to spoil the statistics or simply simply appear in another "scandalous incident".
The author, write more clearly, was there a ban on overtaking or not?

[Mhpv]

Quote: Trapper7

Just imagine the situation, you are going to overtake - and then the car cuts the turn signal and starts to turn left. And what to do?

In order to understand how to be, you need to carefully look at the signs or markup:

or after marking 1.5 followed by marking 1.6 which warns of approaching the line 1.1.
In such places overtaking is prohibited!

[Trapperxnumx]

All the same, how we were programmed ... Almost everyone thinks that if the "policeman was driving in the opposite lane" then he is already 100% to blame. But ALL overtaking is done in the oncoming lane. ALL.

11.2. The driver is prohibited from overtaking in cases where:
a vehicle moving in front, makes an overtaking or detour of an obstacle;
The vehicle moving ahead in the same lane gave a turn signal to the left;
the vehicle following it starts overtaking;
upon completion of overtaking, he will not be able to return to the previously occupied lane without creating a danger to traffic and interference to the vehicle being overtaken.
11.3. The driver of the overtaken vehicle is prohibited from obstructing overtaking by increasing the speed of movement or by other actions.

11.4. Overtaking prohibited:
at adjustable intersections, as well as at unregulated intersections when driving on a road other than the main one;
on pedestrian crossings in the presence of pedestrians on them;
at level crossings and closer than 100 meters in front of them;
on bridges, overpasses, overpasses and under them, as well as in tunnels;
at the end of the climb, at dangerous corners and other areas with limited visibility.

Guys, let's talk calmly and sensibly. Or if the traffic police are involved in an accident, are they a priori to blame? And if they are found innocent, then this is of course "corruption." I don’t make excuses for gaytsov, but I don’t want to "blame" them like that.

[Middle-brother]

Quote: Trapper7

Or if the traffic police are involved in an accident, are they a priori to blame? And if they are found innocent, then this is of course "corruption"

The "officer" was in a company car, and as I understand it, on duty. After the accident, he exerted pressure and refused to legally register the accident. A priori not guilty?

[michajlo]

[quote = tilovaykrisa] [quote = Yarbay] [quote = experienced] Ready to catch stones in your garden in advance
1. I do not understand posting an article on this site. Let’s discuss tomorrow what wife’s pads are used, or what food for children to buy.
...
The man made a mistake, the consequences are not so terrible, not rude, not rude, apologized !!
So hard to excuse a person? [/ Quote]

If the law is crushed once, then another, and then they plug holes in the investigation, as you and I will, then this will not be the law, but a brush.
It’s precisely the habit of negotiating bypassing the law that leads to corruption, the traffic cop bought off, the policeman paid off, visitors, too, are not blind to see that they can bypass the law like this, that’s all the misfortune of our country from such morality. [/ Quote]

Hello dear "tilovaykrisa"! (how to call you by name?)
I completely agree with you about the fundamental and important for any aspect of life, and not just the military side in the military.

If we want our rights of ordinary citizens (not cones) were respected, we all need to comply with the laws and exactly so DEMAND compliance with the laws of all officials, especially those "with shoulder straps"!
Because the powers and opportunities they have are VERY BIG.
Therefore, their and all leaders, RESPONSIBILITY is much higher and to all of them, without exception, ask "to the fullest extent of the law!"
Well, if the laws are only crushed once "on trifles", then more AUTOMATICALLY completely.

And then we common people can complain to each other endlessly, what all the boors and criminals around us, "pure and innocent"!

Why in the minds of a German, an Autrian there is a SOLID conception,
- that LAWS ARE TO BE OBSERVED AND EVERYTHING BEFORE THE LAW IS EQUAL,
and we are Slavs in this basic organization of society issue,
- We behave, as it is more favorable to us, where it is more than a dough to equal, where there is less trouble and legwork on establishments and courts ...

Afterword: Expressed above different opinions, and each of us is right in something.
In addition, all the details of the accident described by the author of the article, We do not know, maybe a lot was different?
But the actions described by him to resolve the consequences of an accident "according to the law", and not "by verbal agreement", even with the addition of "the officer's words", I personally seem to be correct.
So with this approach of all of us, there will be fewer "dashing riders" on the roads and in life itself.

By the way way to publicize a case from the forum "Geisenberg_Today, 13:18" with calls to the authorities (calls are recorded and the content is recorded) and publicizing any incident, can help any victim or participant since the DVR and witnesses are few when present.

[Yarbay]

Quote: michajlo

But the actions described by him to resolve the consequences of an accident "according to the law," and not "by verbal agreement," even with the attachment of "the officer's words", personally seem correct to me.

mlynnnnnnnnnnnn))))))))))))))
So the law does not condemn the oral agreement in the case of such)))))

[Joker]

Departure for the oncoming denial of rights. And you agree on, then it will GAITZ kill your child, I look at you.

[michajlo]

Quote: Yarbay

Quote: michajlo

But the actions described by him to resolve the consequences of an accident "according to the law," and not "by verbal agreement," even with the attachment of "the officer's words", personally seem correct to me.

mlynnnnnnnnnnnn))))))))))))))
So the law does not condemn the oral agreement in the case of such)))))

Hello dear "Yarbay"! You are right about the possibility of "oral agreement", the law allows it.
But who of us can be confident in the subsequent fulfillment of the "oral agreement" with the person we see for the first time in our life.
Well, plus such a trifle, that after an accident, falling out of the blue, gatherings, the victim will have problems with a delay of 12-24 hours with health, cerebral hemorrhage, damage to limbs, cracked ribs, etc.
Indeed, by oral agreement, the perpetrator on the spot has already reimbursed the price of transportation, body repair, primer and painting.
But other direct and indirect losses and consequences of a commonplace turmoil, he is not obligated to you and will not compensate ...

[Yarbay]

Quote: michajlo

But who of us can be confident in the subsequent fulfillment of the "oral agreement" with the person we see for the first time in our life.

this is another question!
Here, many require the execution of a road accident participant only because he is a man in uniform !!
According to the story, I saw that the man did not abuse his official position, admitted guilt and offered to compensate, did not be rude, did not be rude!
with respect!

[clean water]

I could be wrong, but the article is similar to psychological fiction in order to find out public opinion. if not right, then I apologize.

Quote: Yarbay

According to the story, I saw that the man did not abuse his official position, admitted guilt and offered to compensate, did not be rude, did not be rude!

Let's focus on the words "did not abuse". And what has the highest rank (chief) and all the pressure to do with it?
One must act according to the situation and according to conscience. It is better to have a personal lawyer.

[Yarbay]

Quote: clean water

I could be wrong, but the article is similar to psychological fiction in order to find out public opinion. if not right, then I apologize.

Totally agree!


As for the senior in rank, you begin to principled from scratch here and will be principled with you!
But again, all this according to the author!
Perhaps everything was different!
He began to threaten the police, and in return they reminded him who they were!

[michajlo]

Quote: Yarbay

Quote: michajlo

But who of us can be confident in the subsequent fulfillment of the "oral agreement" with the person we see for the first time in our life.

this is another question!
Here, many require the execution of a road accident participant only because he is a man in uniform !!
According to the story, I saw that the man did not abuse his official position, admitted guilt and offered to compensate, did not be rude, did not be rude!
with respect!

Good evening to you! As for the execution of a traffic police officer "on the spot and in public," I somehow did not find in the article, perhaps I missed something.
Regarding the case where there is “cultural civic behavior” on both sides, I agree with you, “oral agreement” is possible and may be useful.
"You can't write laws for all occasions," I think it's you or another member of the forum who wrote above in front of us.

But as the author of the article described that after the refusal of the "verbal agreement", a demonstration of strength or one's service has begun., so it is in my opinion under the concept of "cultural civic position" when resolving a dispute or the consequences of an accident, does not fit.

[Yarbay]

Quote: michajlo

As for the execution of a traffic police officer "on the spot and in public," I somehow did not find in the article, perhaps I missed something.

Dear mine, I clearly wrote that in the comments, here!
I was not talking about the article!
And so with many of what you said, you can agree!

[Trapperxnumx]

Quote: Joker

Departure for the oncoming denial of rights. And you agree on, then it will GAITZ kill your child, I look at you.

Bliiiin ... Well, how is it that, and ??? All overtaking are done on the way to the oncoming !!! ALL! Otherwise, it is not overtaking, but ADVANCE !!! The difference is only in the markup, or in the sign, does it allow overtaking or not. The author modestly kept silent about this, which I already wrote about and asked the author to clarify. No clarification ensued.

[Trapperxnumx]

Quote: mhpv

Quote: Trapper7

Just imagine the situation, you are going to overtake - and then the car cuts the turn signal and starts to turn left. And what to do?

In order to understand how to be, you need to carefully look at the signs or markup:

or after marking 1.5 followed by marking 1.6 which warns of approaching the line 1.1.
In such places overtaking is prohibited!

What is your comment for? Where did you see this sign in the author’s article? When driving along the main road at an unregulated intersection, overtaking is not prohibited !!!! I do not condone the DPS officer, but I also indiscriminately begin to stigmatize him only because he is not a traffic cop.