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Italian military invited to Belarusian-Russian exercises West-2013

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Representatives of foreign ministries are invited by the Russian Ministry of Defense to the teachings of Belarus and Russia "Zapad-2013", which will be held in September. This became known from the Minister of Defense of Russia Sergey Shoigu at the press conference on August 6 after the meeting with the head of the Italian Ministry of Defense ended. The ministerial meeting was held in Rome.


Italian military invited to Belarusian-Russian exercises West-2013


Shoigu said that there was an exchange of views on the processes taking place in the armies of the two countries. Italian "colleagues" were invited to the exercise "West-2013". Also, the Russian minister believes that in 2014, cooperation should be expanded not only by inviting observers, but also by engaging military units. Such exercises have already been planned “at sea”, units will be involved, “including mountain ones”. According to Shoigu, the experience of this kind will be useful, the interaction of departments will contribute to building confidence in Europe.
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  1. il grand casino
    il grand casino 8 August 2013 13: 03
    +2
    "According to Shoigu, this kind of experience will be useful, the interaction of departments will contribute to strengthening confidence in Europe."
    Experience may be useful, but what is trust? ...
    1. alone
      alone 8 August 2013 13: 17
      +4
      the presence of Italy in these exercises is unclear, given that Italy in NATO
      1. afire
        afire 8 August 2013 13: 25
        18
        they are specially invited by a foreigner, they surprise them with weapons and tactics, so that those at home tell that they DO NOT argue with them, DO NOT go against them, because they have this and that and this and that can and that it is useless to us against them ...
      2. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 8 August 2013 13: 42
        12
        Quote: lonely
        the presence of Italy in these exercises is unclear, given that Italy in NATO


        Well, at least to update the historical memory ... you look at the dna level, memories will come up, but how grandfathers ate cats in the steppe villages.
      3. Edward72
        Edward72 8 August 2013 20: 57
        0
        So they promise to have pasta. And by and large, I don’t understand why the NATO members are there, they know less - they spoil themselves more from ignorance.
      4. edge
        edge 9 August 2013 09: 01
        0
        Quote: lonely
        the presence of Italy in these exercises is unclear, given that Italy in NATO

        yes figs with them
        let them fear and respect; this is their natural quality
    2. experienced
      experienced 8 August 2013 15: 15
      +6
      Russia places too much emphasis on these exercises, and the Belarusians are silent, like partisans in the Gestapo, the Balts and Poland are already shitting with bricks for fear winked Therefore, they propose that foreign observers be present. Apparently, the teachings will be large-scale:
      Nevertheless, according to the official information of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, the SSU “will involve two airborne formations and a separate regiment of special purpose airborne forces”. It is possible that, according to the new structure of the Russian armed forces, the airborne special forces regiment will become part of the MTR.

      Also, sources in the Russian military do not hide that “At the West-2013 maneuvers, new network-centric types of combat operations will be used, in which electronic satellite reconnaissance equipment and missile-aircraft strike systems are actively used”.
      1. sq
        sq 8 August 2013 16: 24
        +4
        Quote: seasoned
        while the Belarusians are silent, like partisans in the Gestapo, the Balts and Poland are already shitting with bricks for fear

        And why make noise, it is better to make sure that the "bricks" do not fly towards us like a swine plague. Yes, and we will clean the fields, the dyvirsants were not hiding (just kidding).
    3. 755962
      755962 8 August 2013 18: 52
      +6
      Russian paratroopers took first place in the world endurance march !!

      The march was held in Holland, according to the conditions it was necessary to overcome 4 km on foot in difficult terrain in 160 days. Ours have won!
      http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1107903&cid=9
      1. Fire
        Fire 8 August 2013 20: 00
        +3
        Who would doubt that! good
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 8 August 2013 20: 52
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        Quote: 755962
        The march was held in Holland, according to the conditions it was necessary to overcome 4 km on foot in difficult terrain in 160 days. Ours have won!

        Who would doubt that!
      3. Nick
        Nick 8 August 2013 20: 59
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        Quote: 755962
        The march was held in Holland, according to the conditions it was necessary to overcome 4 km on foot in difficult terrain in 160 days. Ours have won!

        Well done guys? good And some here blame the youth ...
      4. bistrov.
        bistrov. 8 August 2013 21: 27
        +2
        Quote: 755962
        ... in 4 days to walk 160km on foot ...

        I don’t want to brag, but in the prime of my life, at the age of 30, in the summer during the day (14 hours), for the sake of interest I overcame 120 km. Moved off-road, along the fields where it turned out on field roads, parallel to the Khmelnitsky-Vinnitsa highway. True, there was no cargo except a flask of water.
    4. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 8 August 2013 20: 53
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      Maybe not to get into Syria ?.
    5. Very old
      Very old 8 August 2013 21: 06
      +1
      "Trust" The usual diplomatic curtsy, not binding. At the same time, everyone keeps a dummy in his pocket. S. Shoigu knows this very well, Yeltsinism ordered to live a long time, and no one believes his "partners". But what can you do, you have to smile and observe etiquette
    6. Andrey Skokovsky
      Andrey Skokovsky 9 August 2013 13: 08
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      Quote: il grand casino
      "According to Shoigu, this kind of experience will be useful, the interaction of departments will contribute to strengthening confidence in Europe."
      Experience may be useful, but what is trust? ...


      this is a primitive diplomatic etiquette which generally promotes dialogue between different countries and peoples, you need to know actually ....
      the main meaning and significance of such events are never officially never voiced, but nevertheless everyone understands why ...
  2. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 August 2013 13: 07
    +3
    Slowly we feel the situation and move to the West .. into the Mediterranean Sea .. So keep Shoigu!
    1. Nick
      Nick 8 August 2013 21: 04
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Slowly we feel the situation and move to the West .. into the Mediterranean Sea ..

      Give the next Russian Olympiad on the Mediterranean coast of Russia, on the Apennines! wink
      Joke...
  3. Unknown
    Unknown 8 August 2013 13: 16
    +3
    Zaepets even show the army of Europe. soldier
    1. Akhtuba73
      Akhtuba73 8 August 2013 13: 32
      +2
      Quote: Unknown
      we will show the army of Europe.

      And it could be the other way around - Europe’s army, as in the 45th ... let them see, the pasta will be eaten by soldiers, more tasty, go and get some spaghetti
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 8 August 2013 14: 19
        +5
        Navy pasta with an egg broken in them - food of the gods soldier
        1. Akhtuba73
          Akhtuba73 8 August 2013 15: 38
          +4
          Precisely, to bring them to the Pacific Fleet, across the country in a reserved seat car with demobilization ...
          1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
            GELEZNII_KAPUT 8 August 2013 18: 44
            0
            Great offer! laughing laughing laughing
  4. Theophanes
    Theophanes 8 August 2013 13: 36
    +2
    Italy is Nato. And NATO’s heirs to Himler and his elite Gestapo and Essa’s. He was brought up on punitive raids of the Nazis. The NATO team has proven itself in Kosovo - violence against women, beating of children and the elderly (Serbs) is their visiting card. And what trust can there be in them? These are not people - this is a bunch of scum without a hint of honor and conscience !!! NATO members are from Russia, stop stinking with cadaverous smell!
  5. 12345
    12345 8 August 2013 13: 44
    +3
    All right

    And joint exercises are also correct. When a real enemy is in sight, it disciplines, despite the "exercises" and "blank" ammunition.
  6. IRBIS
    IRBIS 8 August 2013 13: 50
    12
    Inviting foreign military personnel to major exercises is a common practice, in accordance with international law. Let them look, evaluate and compare.
    And Italians in this matter - the best option, knowing their temperament and ability to drink .... Th. Oh, then they will tell terrible stories to their allies, in colors and colors!
    1. Gato
      Gato 8 August 2013 15: 38
      +4
      Quote: IRBIS
      And Italians are the best option in this business.

      And what a military tradition! laughing
      1. Tambov we ...
        Tambov we ... 8 August 2013 22: 35
        0
        My grandfather, the kingdom of heaven, when he was alive, called the Italians, for some reason, Romanians, and he reached Vienna in the Great Patriotic War, and returned home and died at the age of 83.
  7. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 8 August 2013 14: 05
    +4
    But it seems to me that in this case, the invitation of pasta is a gesture, they say, see for yourself. The exercises are not aimed at offensive operations. The main task ... etc. But at the same time, showing opportunities
  8. Irtysh
    Irtysh 8 August 2013 14: 17
    +7
    The most impressionable were invited.
  9. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 August 2013 14: 39
    +9
    Quote: Akhtuba73
    Quote: Unknown
    we will show the army of Europe.

    And it could be the other way around - Europe’s army, as in the 45th ... let them see, the pasta will be eaten by soldiers, more tasty, go and get some spaghetti

    I recalled the real story: Our WWII veteran was invited to Germany (a meeting of WWII veterans) at customs fills out a questionnaire, well, there is the purpose of arrival .. etc.
    Question; Have you been to Germany before? - Yes.
    What kind of transport did we visit? - On the T-34 tank.
    laughing
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 8 August 2013 15: 22
      +6
      From the same series -
      1. Check
        Check 8 August 2013 18: 14
        0
        test t-shirt)))
  10. niecke
    niecke 8 August 2013 16: 24
    -4
    great news! one bad thing - in the photo the puck is worth it
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 9 August 2013 06: 52
      +1
      In war, this is normal - but Laurel blossoms and basks in the fire - his diplomats brewed porridge but did not suffer losses.
  11. biglow
    biglow 8 August 2013 16: 40
    -1
    from Italians, warriors as a ballerina from me ... lol
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 8 August 2013 17: 43
      +3
      Italians in Russia. Let them remember. It will not hurt to remind periodically.

      In the war with the USSR, the Italian leader wanted to get his share in the division of “bear skins”, and without the participation of Italian troops in the war, it was doubtful.
      Hitler did not count on the serious help of the Italian troops, knowing their price well - the Wehrmacht had already to rescue the Italian army from a difficult situation. Supply was very bad and the Italians began to loot, and even plundered German warehouses. In relation to the local population, Italians were the most “tolerant”, were not marked in atrocities, like Germans, Hungarians, Romanians. So General Messe, even created his qualification for atrocities and had the following gradation of cruelty to the local population: “1st place - Russian White Guards; 2nd place - Germans; 3rd place - Romanians; 4th place - Finns; 5th place - Hungarians; 6th place - Italians. ” Losses of Italians in the USSR from August 1941 to February 1943 amounted to about 90 thousand dead and missing. The Italians did not find glory in this war - having shown themselves to be weak fighters, not ready for a real war.
      For this we are not offended.
    2. niecke
      niecke 8 August 2013 18: 31
      -3
      and you balabol met them in battle? I doubt something! Their mercenaries are no worse than Amers and Germans, they are fighting to death !!!
      1. biglow
        biglow 8 August 2013 18: 54
        +1
        Quote: niecke
        and you balabol met them in battle? I doubt something! Their mercenaries are no worse than Amers and Germans, they are fighting to death !!!

        In which countries are Italian mercenaries found?
        I heard about Belgians, about Italians mercenaries for the first time ....
        and the mercenaries usually don’t fight to death, they have another task: to earn money and come home alive and not die on the battlefield, would you read something or something ... laughing
        1. alone
          alone 8 August 2013 20: 06
          +2
          but in order to earn money and return home alive, you still have to fight to the death))) a vicious circle, well, don’t twist
          1. biglow
            biglow 8 August 2013 20: 27
            0
            Quote: lonely
            but in order to earn money and return home alive, you still have to fight to the death))) a vicious circle, well, don’t twist

            Show me the heroic mercenaries. At 10 percent loss, they are already retreating. Watching Iraq and Afghanistan
            1. alone
              alone 8 August 2013 20: 44
              +2
              mercenaries are usually professionals. According to the glamor, they do not climb to death. if the unit loses 10%, then you need to change the tactics of the battle, and not stupidly climb on rampage
        2. niecke
          niecke 8 August 2013 20: 38
          -1
          Yes, it’s too late to read, it’s too old. I met ... there were a lot of warfare in the union, can I tell you everything? honestly, I don’t know everything from the heels.
      2. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 9 August 2013 08: 21
        +1
        №№№№№№№№ yes a little late to read, a bit old. I met ... there were a lot of warfare in the union, can I tell you everything? Honestly, I don’t know everything from the heels.

        Something you do not look like a veteran. They do not behave so cheekily and respect opponents. And you immediately call names, or rather, clearly looked in the mirror when you remembered "smart" words.

        Given the trends of TOLERANCE, I forgive you, for the first time. Because the offended by God are not offended. Good luck in life. Apparently, she would not hurt you.

        AND THIS IS ALREADY YOUR FRIEND TELLING WITH YOU TO COMMUNICATE.
  12. individual
    individual 8 August 2013 17: 22
    +1
    The time has come to show oneself - to see others.
    If not for NATO, then to post-war Italy, everything is somehow smooth without splashes.
    And the declared exercises planned at sea mean Russia + Italy in the Mediterranean ...
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  17. ando_bor
    ando_bor 8 August 2013 19: 54
    +3
    Italians have been in the Caucasus more than once,
    and ours went to the Alps:
  18. waisson
    waisson 8 August 2013 19: 59
    0
    let them see how we do without their armored vehicles ivek (lynx) and wheeled tanks (centaur), otherwise Serdyuk promised them golden mountains where you can merge junk for bonuses with the delivery of Italian furniture to his personal furniture production
  19. Fire
    Fire 8 August 2013 20: 09
    0
    The exercises should not be strangers, especially NATO. If the exercises are Russian-Belarusian, then representatives of these countries are present ...
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 9 August 2013 08: 12
      0
      NATO observers arrive at West 2013 exercises
      August 2, 2013 News.
      According to Russian media reports, Russia, as part of a meeting of the NATO-Russia Council, suggested that NATO send its military observers to participate in the West-2013 Russian-Belarusian exercises scheduled for September this year.

      At the end of the meeting, The Voice of Russia reporters received confirmation from diplomatic sources of one of the NATO countries that the NATO member countries intend to take advantage of the invitation from Russia.

      The session of the NATO-Russia Council was attended by Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Anatoly Antonov and Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces Alexander Postnikov, who informed the audience about the goals, objectives and scope of the West 2013 exercises.

      “The Russian side provided very interesting information about previous and expected exercises, and this presentation, along with the invitation made to NATO observers, is an important step towards greater mutual trust and greater transparency in Europe,” the diplomat said.

      “These steps confirm that our relations are developing in the right direction. Since these actions are bilateral, NATO also offers Russia all the information about all the large-scale exercises that take place in the participating countries, ”he said.
  20. Karabin
    Karabin 8 August 2013 20: 53
    0
    According to Shoigu, this kind of experience will be useful, the interaction of departments will help to build confidence in Europe.

    And what is the use? Are we planning to join NATO? Or maybe pasta in the CSTO? Or do we no longer have contradictions with the alliance? Is it not expanding eastward, bombing Serbia and Libya, or supporting the Syrian "freedom fighters"? I have the impression that the leadership is ready to become a NATO member even tomorrow, but they know that the people will not understand. So they slowly teach this idea either by buying "lynxes", then "not by the base", then by numerous joint exercises. And trust in Europe can thus be strengthened for a very long time. Join the alliance, under the command of amersian generals, and all problems are solved.
  21. Uralean
    Uralean 8 August 2013 21: 00
    0
    So I didn’t understand .. Russian-Belarusian joint exercises .. What is being practiced? And what will the Italians show, both for the Poles and the Baltic states? The prospects for the Baltic states, their opposition to Russia, the Italians, As representatives of a NATO member, Russia's determination to defend the western borders of the Customs Union ... With Belarus, to work out joint actions in field practical conditions, in different directions .. As an operational-command, rear-supply, and interaction units of both armies ..
  22. Siberian
    Siberian 8 August 2013 21: 11
    0
    Quote: biglow
    Quote: niecke
    and you balabol met them in battle? I doubt something! Their mercenaries are no worse than Amers and Germans, they are fighting to death !!!

    In which countries are Italian mercenaries found?
    I heard about Belgians, about Italians mercenaries for the first time ....
    and the mercenaries usually don’t fight to death, they have another task: to earn money and come home alive and not die on the battlefield, would you read something or something ... laughing

    Have you heard about Italian underwater swimmers? If I'm wrong about something, correct it. PS If that's what I'm talking about the Second World War. Surely they have this system, and today is not lost.
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 8 August 2013 22: 59
      +1
      Quote: Siberian
      Have you heard about Italian underwater swimmers?

      The Italians are cowardly, talkative, stupid, swimmers are the same, such a conclusion can be made by reading the book of their commander Borghese Unio V. Sea devils.
  23. Siberian
    Siberian 9 August 2013 05: 10
    +1
    Quote: AK-47
    Quote: Siberian
    Have you heard about Italian underwater swimmers?

    The Italians are cowardly, talkative, stupid, swimmers are the same, such a conclusion can be made by reading the book of their commander Borghese Unio V. Sea devils.
    Well, the fact that they are talkative is yes. The temperament they have is like that. And everything else said above (cowards and ridiculous.) They are enough everywhere, I don’t want to.
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 9 August 2013 09: 27
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      Quote: Siberian
      And everything else said above (PANTS AND RISKLESS.) They are enough everywhere, for the most I do not want.

      Read, read: Borghese V. "Sea devils" and K. Becker "German sea saboteurs". I got indescribable pleasure. Mines, torpedoes, delivery vehicles, equipment from the Italians were constantly out of order, morale was nowhere lower, they just float up and surrender, the material damage to the forces of the anti-Hitler coalition was minimal, the death of swimmers was 70% as a result of accidents. The second book provides some characterization of Italian combat swimmers and much more. I highly recommend reading.
  24. ando_bor
    ando_bor 9 August 2013 17: 09
    0
    Ours in Italy, September 2012
  25. faraon
    faraon 9 August 2013 17: 16
    0
    Quote: il grand casino
    "According to Shoigu, this kind of experience will be useful, the interaction of departments will contribute to strengthening confidence in Europe."
    Experience may be useful, but what is trust? ...

    Yes, the question is not in experience and trust - this is the exit of the armed forces to the world level.
    After all, there is no need to fight and why, it’s enough to show the power of the Russian army and this is a serious step to strengthen the status of Russia in the international arena.
    good luck in the upcoming exercises soldier
  26. faraon
    faraon 9 August 2013 17: 22
    0
    Quote: 755962
    Russian paratroopers took first place in the world endurance march !!

    The march was held in Holland, according to the conditions it was necessary to overcome 4 km on foot in difficult terrain in 160 days. Ours have won!
    http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1107903&cid=9

    But whoever doubted this, went more, maybe someone served in the Pskov division and remembers the foreman Volchkov (and his holidays of the fat deer) 1980-1982
  27. faraon
    faraon 9 August 2013 17: 36
    0
    Quote: AK-47
    Quote: Siberian
    And everything else said above (PANTS AND RISKLESS.) They are enough everywhere, for the most I do not want.

    Read, read: Borghese V. "Sea devils" and K. Becker "German sea saboteurs". I got indescribable pleasure. Mines, torpedoes, delivery vehicles, equipment from the Italians were constantly out of order, morale was nowhere lower, they just float up and surrender, the material damage to the forces of the anti-Hitler coalition was minimal, the death of swimmers was 70% as a result of accidents. The second book provides some characterization of Italian combat swimmers and much more. I highly recommend reading.

    Dear comrade, let me object to you. Germany fought, in fact, only one leash allies were present, since they had no motivation in this war. The war hardly touched them, and Hitler and his Germany were deep in the drum. If Germany dragged on the belt in that war, Italy calmly reacted to this, to tell the truth, she cleared her throat. And at the first opportunity she surrendered