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Information bomb: Saudi Arabia offered Russia 15 billion for Syria

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In the world media today, a bomb exploded: from the Reuters news agency, citing anonymous, informed sources from both the Middle East and the West, it was reported that Saudi Arabia had offered Russia a deal to buy weapons worth 15 billion. This deal, very similar to a political bribe, can take place if Moscow refuses to support Damascus in the UN Security Council.


Information bomb: Saudi Arabia offered Russia 15 billion for Syria


How do Khaled Yakub Oweis and Amena Bakr (Reuters; source of translation - "Inopressa"), sources in the Middle East and Western diplomats said that Saudi Arabia, represented by Prince Bandar bin Sultan, head of Saudi intelligence, offered Russia economic initiatives in exchange for weakening support for the Syrian president. The Saudi prince voiced such a proposal at a meeting with Vladimir Putin in Novo-Ogaryovo last week.

The article says: “Sources in the Syrian opposition close to Saudi Arabia claim that Prince Bandar volunteered to buy Russian weapons worth up to 15 billion dollars, and also to ensure that Persian Gulf gas will not threaten Russia’s position as one of the main suppliers of these raw materials to Europe. "

In exchange, Saudi Arabia wants Moscow to weaken Assad’s support and not veto any possible UN Security Council resolutions on Syria.

What is Comrade Putin? The article says on this score: “One Western diplomat working in the Middle East said: the Russian leader is unlikely to change the noticeable status of Moscow in the region that has emerged recently into an arms contract, even if it is very large.”

Kremlin comments on this informational message have not yet followed.

According to the expert of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Konstantin Makienko, who leads Alexei Nikolsky (Vedomosti.ru), the conclusion of such a transaction is unlikely: after all, there is no confidence between Russia and Saudi Arabia in the field of military-technical cooperation.

In the mid-2000s, the expert notes, Saudi Arabia offered Moscow an arms deal, starting negotiations on the acquisition of 150 tanks T-90S, more than 100 BMP-3 and more than a hundred helicopters Mi-25 and Mi-17 - totaling more than $ 4 billion. In exchange, the Russian Federation was supposed to stop delivering weapons to Iran. The possible purchase of Buk-M2 and even S-400 air defense systems was also discussed. As for the T-90, the tanks have already been tested in Saudi Arabia, and the Saudi representatives discussed the complete set of Mi-17 helicopters at the MAKS-2009 exhibition.

But the negotiations dragged on and then stopped. Interestingly, this happened after Russia unilaterally canceled the delivery of C-2010 PMU-300 to Iran in 2, unilaterally. It may well be that the Saudis decided to repeat their trick.

Jason Dietz (Antiwar.com) indicates that the proposal of fifteen billion dollars for weapons by Saudi Arabia means an attempt to open bribery: after all, the deal has a condition - concessions on Syria.

However, the journalist notes, there is no indication that Russia is ready to abandon its long-standing alliance with Syria.

Stuart Wiener ("The Times of Israel") notes that the “Lebanese source” told Reuters, allegedly at the end of the four-hour meeting, “the Saudis rejoiced, rejoicing at the results.” However, neither Russia nor Saudi officials confirmed this information. Russia remains a loyal ally of Assad, the Israeli newspaper said.

The unnamed Western diplomat is pessimistic about the likelihood that Russia will give up its influential positions in the region - even in exchange for such a lucrative arms deal. This diplomat told Reuters that Russian officials fear that Saudi Arabia does not have a clear plan to maintain stability in post-Cassadian Syria.

One representative of the Syrian opposition said that the Saudis and the Russians were actively in contact "before the meeting." According to him, Bandar tried to dispel two main fears of Russia: that Assad will be replaced by Islamist extremists and that Gulf countries will pass through Syria, which will deal with gas supplies, of course, to the detriment of Russia. Among these countries was called the notorious Qatar.

To summarize Even if there was a similar proposal (about 15 billions), Russia would not make a deal. For a very simple reason: Russia, instead of a political person, in that case would have something else. And Libya is not an example here for comparison: after all, Russia has been vetoing the Western resolutions on Syria in the Security Council for two years now. As for Iran, those C-300 modifications, which are called “Antey-2500”, may well go there.

The attempts of the Saudis say that Assad in Syria successfully defeats the enemies. That is why the Gulf states, together with their Western patrons, cling to any microscopic chances, trying to turn back the time - in those days when it seemed that the “regime” of Assad was not long. But time does not turn. Assad will win, Russia will not give the nod to the invasion of Syria, and the Islamist interventionists will be expelled from there.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. afire
    afire 8 August 2013 11: 50
    64
    oh yo
    Either someone has survived from the mind, or duck No. 1 in 2013.
    The probability of a duck because - cited by anonymous informed sources hailing from both the Middle East.
    BUT even if it’s true, then this option is not suitable for us, since there is no faith in anyone, billions are candy wrappers, with this step there will be no way back and we will be left alone and our reputation will be at stake. Nah - GDP won't do that
    1. S-200
      S-200 8 August 2013 11: 55
      47
      I admit it!
      The Saudis, seeing a clear failure of their anti-Syrian venture, are looking for any ways to influence Russia ...
      I believe that having accepted Bandar (one of the most influential people in the world), Putin firmly and clearly outlined Russia's position in the Middle East ...
      " Money can not buy happiness !"
      wassat
      1. Retx
        Retx 8 August 2013 12: 09
        13
        But what if we take these 15 billion and give Assad in the form of equipment, weapons, medicines, fuel and other things? smile Well, then it’s hard to troll the Arabs, they say we don’t know anything, there was no money.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 8 August 2013 12: 14
          15
          Are you kidding? Such a shnyag will not work here!
          1. Retx
            Retx 8 August 2013 12: 23
            12
            No, the practice of kidalov has ancient roots. I just roughly described it, so you can wash the snout with a dirty rag to the Saudis and they won’t do anything, so the enemies are by default.
            1. Ivan.
              Ivan. 8 August 2013 12: 55
              25
              "Shura is not our method"
              And our method looks like this:
              "You must Fedya, you must!!!"
              1. elmi
                elmi 8 August 2013 13: 54
                12
                This deal, very similar to a political bribe, can take place if Moscow refuses to support Damascus in the UN Security Council.

                The Arabs (and the Amers behind them) are hoping in vain. A familiar Western English handwriting is to play or buy. You shouldn’t buy us at that time. This is not 90 and the second and maybe the third betrayal as with Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya will not
                1. Apologet.Ru
                  Apologet.Ru 8 August 2013 14: 31
                  32
                  hi
                  No matter how paradoxical this may seem, I have the impression that THESE fools are doing everything to raise Russia's international prestige ...
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 8 August 2013 14: 44
                    -112 qualifying.
                    Prestige? Russia lost a lot with this war.
                    1. Rakti-kali
                      Rakti-kali 8 August 2013 14: 50
                      41
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Prestige?

                      I understand that you have a break in the template. But you have to come to terms with this.
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Russia lost a lot with this war.

                      Naturally. Here are just a switch to the other side or defeat in this war will lead to even greater losses. So it’s quite obvious that the Russian Federation will continue to uphold their interests.
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 8 August 2013 16: 38
                        -41 qualifying.
                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        I understand that you have a break in the template. But you have to come to terms with this.

                        Yes, what is the gap pattern. What is the template, do not you say?

                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        Naturally. Here are just a switch to the other side or defeat in this war will lead to even greater losses. So it is quite obvious that the Russian Federation will continue to defend its interests.

                        Right. The line must be bent to the end. But most likely, the section will go. Here, both Russian interests are respected, and Arab.
                      2. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 8 August 2013 20: 05
                        28
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Yes, what is the gap pattern. What is the template, do not you say?

                        Here is such a gap fellow . Template? The standard pattern of the late Soviet pseudo-intelligentsia - Russia / USSR cannot be prestigious / developed / well-off ..., (add what you need), because there is a bloody gebnya / commies / Putin ... (add what you need).
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 8 August 2013 20: 10
                        -22 qualifying.
                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        The standard pattern of the late Soviet pseudo-intelligentsia - Russia / USSR cannot be prestigious / developed / provided ...,

                        Please do not transfer your complexes to others. The USSR was a fully developed state, a superpower, Russia is a fairly developed state.
                        I just see those cons that you ignore with your caps. Those disadvantages that Russia will then go very fig sideways, and which are very expensive. And they will cost even more, including in lives.

                        You are used to throwing caps into the air, and I earn my living as an analyst.
                      4. Nick
                        Nick 8 August 2013 20: 51
                        +3
                        Quote: Pimply
                        I just see those cons that you ignore with your caps. Those disadvantages that Russia will then go very fig sideways, and which are very expensive. And they will cost even more, including in lives.

                        More specifically?
                      5. Pimply
                        Pimply 8 August 2013 21: 03
                        -19 qualifying.
                        There he gave more details.

                        Let’s take, relatively speaking, the previous Syrian debt plus lost profits under a possible contract with CA (which opens up new markets and the possibility of influence). Conditionally about 30 billion bucks. A trillion rubles. Presented approximately? Such an extra trillion.

                        Look at where Russia has left influence in the Middle East. And compare with the situation, say, five or seven years ago. Let's laugh together - or cry.
                      6. Raptor75
                        Raptor75 8 August 2013 22: 11
                        15
                        Yes, where does the money come from? Can self-esteem be measured in bucks? It is not necessary to force NATO and the United States to reckon with the help of the dough ... What we have lost now,
                        we will repel, do not hesitate.
                        What influence Russia now has in this gadyushnik and zoo should not matter. Only power is respected there. Everything is ahead of us.
                      7. Pimply
                        Pimply 8 August 2013 22: 41
                        -10 qualifying.
                        This is not self-esteem, it is ChSV - self-esteem. Russia has China on its side. And that China, that the US manages to combine self-esteem with benefits for the state. And Russia has recently been succeeding mainly in writing off debts. And this is the worst.
                      8. phantom359
                        phantom359 8 August 2013 23: 40
                        +6
                        And America has no debts. And as for ChSV, feelings are generally hypertrophied.
                      9. Raptor75
                        Raptor75 9 August 2013 00: 02
                        +4
                        You are right about China. What the US is doing is better called "controlled chaos". It is in our interest that he stops as far from our borders as possible, don't you think? No one can foresee what will happen in 3,5,10 years. In the early 30s in Europe, could anyone imagine what awaited her? For me, Russia's actions are quite logical, now there is no time for money.
                      10. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 10 August 2013 13: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Pimply
                        And that China, that the US manages to combine self-esteem with benefits for the state.

                        It’s strange, in Israel every second - if not a financier, then an analyst. Diasporas are powerful and wealthy across the planet. And with all this, the country has neither much financial prosperity, nor friends around ... Permanent war around the perimeter and some enemies around ... what
                  2. uhu189
                    uhu189 8 August 2013 22: 50
                    16
                    And where 5-7 years ago, Russia had real influence in the Middle East region, open your mind? Of course, I don’t earn a living as an analyst, but I follow the thought that the President’s plane in Saudi Arabia was met by an escort of F-15 fighter jets — is that influence? Or the failure of attempts to organize a gas OPEC - is this also a former influence that has been lost? Or maybe in Jordan, or Iraq we had influence? If you objectively judge and reject all hatred, then in the situation in Syria the Russian Federation for the first time in a long time fundamentally began to defend its long-term (strategic) interests, rather than short-term ones, as it was before. No one argues that from an economic point of view it is unprofitable, that perhaps it will cost the blood of our citizens - but this must be done. In order not to integrate into the existing system, but to become its alternative. I don’t know if it’s clear whether I put it or not, but I think you will understand ...
                  3. phantom359
                    phantom359 8 August 2013 23: 38
                    +3
                    Quote: Pimply
                    There he gave more details.

                    Let’s take, relatively speaking, the previous Syrian debt plus lost profits under a possible contract with CA (which opens up new markets and the possibility of influence). Conditionally about 30 billion bucks. A trillion rubles. Presented approximately? Such an extra trillion.

                    Look at where Russia has left influence in the Middle East. And compare with the situation, say, five or seven years ago. Let's laugh together - or cry.


                    We laugh if we make concessions to the Saudis, then the Russians will lose what they have. No one needs a sales ally. Yes, dear pimple, why do you vomit so much? Did you understand what, for the Arabs? In your opinion there are good Arabs and there are bad ones, these are those who do not want to spread under the Americans; it’s not nice.
                  4. German
                    German 9 August 2013 00: 49
                    +2
                    .... Arabs lie under the one who is stronger. Regardless of the nation and religion. The mentality, you see, is it .... in Islam it is generally accepted to respect strength ...
                  5. phantom359
                    phantom359 9 August 2013 11: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: German
                    .... Arabs lie under the one who is stronger. Regardless of the nation and religion. The mentality, you see, is it .... in Islam it is generally accepted to respect strength ...

                    I know, I had a Chechen chest of drawers, until I loaded it and did not respect it. I asked a respected pimply one, I had in mind double standards.
              2. Aljavad
                Aljavad 9 August 2013 01: 29
                0
                Sochi will leave more.
              3. sasha.28blaga
                sasha.28blaga 9 August 2013 05: 14
                +2
                Pimpled: You are used to throwing caps in the air, and I earn my living as an analyst.

                You probably have a small salary. Or you anal in another sphere. All your calculations and calculations are nothing compared to laying the foundation on which you can later not only save an extra trillion rubles, but also ensure the stability of the current policy, and a lot of the same trillions follow from this.
              4. Rakti-kali
                Rakti-kali 9 August 2013 13: 54
                +2
                Quote: Pimply
                Please do not transfer your complexes to others.

                Ek, you turned down ... But the fact is that my complexes do not intersect with the foreign policy of the state.

                Quote: Pimply
                Let’s take, relatively speaking, the previous Syrian debt plus lost profits under a possible contract with CA (which opens up new markets and the possibility of influence). Conditionally about 30 billion bucks. A trillion rubles. Presented approximately? Such an extra trillion.

                Do not take someone else's, this is not good. The Saudis did not promise the Russian Federation to repay the debt to the SAR, and the bandits, if by some miracle they win, especially since they will not pay Russia there. The contract with the SA is already there, only for several years it has not been running through the fault of the Saudi side, respectively, there is no belief that the contract will be executed by them if the Russian Federation follows their lead. And even if it is fulfilled, 15 billion is revenue, not profit. As a result, we have 3-5 billion dollars, or 170 billion rubles maximum.
                The result - these Saudi clowns decided that Russia is a cheap crush, and it is clear that they were sent by the head of our state on a long erotic foot trip.
              5. Cynic
                Cynic 9 August 2013 18: 04
                +1
                Quote: Pimply
                lost profits under a possible contract with CA (which opens up new markets and the possibility of influence)

                They tried it once!
                Few ?
                How can you, an analyst, not know. that markets have long been divided!
                Emergency situations are needed to change their orientation, it is only here that the EBN could unilaterally eliminate arms exports with one stroke of a pen!
                Others, having applauded, filled a gap. Yusovtsy mostly.
              6. Misantrop
                Misantrop 10 August 2013 13: 31
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                Look at where Russia has left influence in the Middle East. And compare with a situation, say, five or seven years ago.

                Quote: Pimply
                I make a living analytics.

                Well then, a question to the ANALYST: "Was Medvedev's conciliatory position on Libya not the reason for the decline in Russia's influence in the region?" Tom, too, was promised something then that he would merge an ally. I was led. The result is announced by you ... request
                And HOW MUCH they promised and guaranteed Gorbachev, it’s indecent to remember now. At least something fulfilled from the promised?
  2. Ascetic
    Ascetic 8 August 2013 15: 29
    43
    Quote: Pimply
    Prestige? Russia lost a lot with this war.


    Recent events say the opposite - the world has recognized the superiority of Putin's policies.. This is evidenced even by the fact that the cliche predictions of some (and almost all) Israeli commentators on the site six months ago about the imminent fall of Assad, to their great regret, did not come true.
    Now those who want to fight against Putin understand that in the end they are waiting for them. Putin once again reminded this to the whole world. He himself does not intend to give up and will not surrender others either. This is exactly what the United States has done. In this battle, huge Russia and tiny Syria opposed half the world, and this half of the world had to wash themselves.
    Even one of the vicious furies of the democratic media, the host of Fox, Mrs. McFarland, had to admit this with a gnashing of teeth.
    “Obviously, the creation of a pro-Western, anti-Iranian, anti-Russian, secular, post-Assad Syrian government would be a significant achievement for us and our allies. But this is a choice that we no longer have (!). The cold harsh reality is that Syria is already lost ”(Clearly, establishing a pro-Western, anti-Iranian, anti-Russian, secular post-Assad Syrian government would be a major gain for us and that of our allies. But that is an option we no longer have. The cold harsh reality is that Syria is already lost).


    And here is an article by Jonathan Eideman Russia is again in the rays of glory. Till("CNN", USA)
    After numerous defeats, Assad’s army turned the tide of the war and began to win the battle. Iran, meanwhile, sent there the guardians of the Islamic revolution, and Hezbollah militants are aiming their sights at Syrian rebels. Against this background, the West is limiting its participation in Syrian affairs and seems inclined to retreat in front of Iran, which is about to begin to produce nuclear weapons.
    The result is that the two Russian failures are more like a brilliant strategic calculation. Americans praise Russia for committing to hold a conference on Syria in Geneva with them, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urgently flies to Sochi to discuss the current situation with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Meanwhile Europeans and Americans can only beg Moscow to do everything possible to prevent the further success of the Iranians in implementing their nuclear program.
    Moscow does what few could expect - it returns to the center of the stage as a leading actor in this troubled region of the world. Perhaps the duration of her stay there will not be long, but there is no doubt that Putin enjoys the chance that Russia received to bathe again in the warm rays of international influence.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 8 August 2013 15: 43
      -7
      Oh how! So my scenario is untenable. Let's look at the further development of the situation
    2. carver
      carver 8 August 2013 18: 17
      +5
      Quote: Den 11
      Oh how! So my scenario is untenable. Let's look at the further development of the situation


      Who are you Napoleon? Al the viceroy of God on earth? Oh laughed ...
  3. Pimply
    Pimply 8 August 2013 16: 40
    -26 qualifying.
    We judge the whole world in two ways?
    It’s not just about analyst reviews. The point, in particular, is with regard to the masses - to which rulers are forced to listen. And what is found can be easily lost. However, there are no other options.
  4. Russ69
    Russ69 8 August 2013 17: 23
    15
    Quote: Pimply
    The point, in particular, is with regard to the masses - to which rulers are forced to listen.

    In many countries, judging by comments in the press, people don’t understand how to fight with terrorists with one hand, and to deliver weapons to them with the other .. And that’s what governments do not worry about in the geyrop, about their people ...
  5. Ascetic
    Ascetic 8 August 2013 17: 49
    19
    Quote: Pimply
    We judge the whole world in two ways?


    These articles are just a confirmation of the fact that the hands of Western-sponsored mercenary terrorists failed to overthrow the Assad’s Syrian government and will not succeed, as they had hoped for six months ago. Now even the Persian Gulf monarchies want to leave the game while preserving their face, which is again confirmed by the facts and events in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey (the main patrons of the terrorists) where the Islamist authorities suffered serious blows. Now, without direct military aggression, no one can cope with Assad.
  6. Semurg
    Semurg 8 August 2013 20: 03
    +1
    Assad's assassination could turn the tide of the war. Recently I watched TV about Vanga when asked about World War 3, she answered “until Syria fell.” Let's wait for the fall of Syria?
  7. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 8 August 2013 22: 38
    +7
    About Wang, it’s better to take her forecasts about ten years ago and put what coincided: complete stupidity. Someone hiding behind an old woman, powders the brain.
  8. Ivan.
    Ivan. 8 August 2013 22: 58
    +1
    I watched this program before the attack on Libya after the establishment of the "aerobatic zone", the majority wondered if it was not heard well and she meant Libya, because Syria was not in danger at that time. I have been following this matter since the beginning of the Syrian conflict, the status quo in the world is changing - anything is possible.
    To see a video where you can hear her forecast in her voice, or else only from someone’s words (approximate).
  9. Semurg
    Semurg 9 August 2013 09: 25
    0
    Quote: Asan Ata
    About Wang, it’s better to take her forecasts about ten years ago and put what coincided: complete stupidity. Someone hiding behind an old woman, powders the brain.

    Vanga was not a fool, she did not say that there would be a crisis in 2008, She said what would happen and when it’s another question. Nonsense are the interpreters who are trying to understand Vanga's predictions. As with a submarine, it seems "Tula" that will drown everyone thought that the city of Tula would sink well and laughed and she took and drowned. Maybe with "Syria" the same story, we think that this is the country of Syria And it may turn out to be something else. The fog in the predictions, I think it was intentional that people would not rush to influence events, they should happen in their own time and in its sequence.
  10. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 9 August 2013 14: 45
    +3
    In fact, it was the Kursk nuclear submarine
  11. Semurg
    Semurg 9 August 2013 19: 20
    0
    Quote: Black Colonel
    In fact, it was the Kursk nuclear submarine

    Precisely "Kursk", as if not to crack, but "Tula" is?
  12. mnn_13
    mnn_13 9 August 2013 00: 24
    +3
    Tell me which movie? I read these words but did not watch the film. Please note that when she spoke these words no one believed that any connection between Syria and the Third World was possible.
    If it is necessary to discuss things from a military point of view, it must be recognized that Russia is not capable of holding Syria for purely geographical reasons if the United States and its allies want Syria to be taken at all costs. Syria is too far away and its neighbors are powerful enemies (only Iraq is the exception here). The Russian fleet should have urgently left the Mediterranean, since there would have been a trap if the real war would start with the United States and its allies.
    In my opinion, if Syria falls, it will be a feast of a local character that will put an end to the domination of the United States and its allies in the world and their model of plutocratic world rule.
  13. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 9 August 2013 05: 24
    +3
    Did Nostradamus say anything about Syria? And about the third world war. We need to go to a neighbor, maybe she knows what.
  14. aksakal
    aksakal 8 August 2013 23: 04
    +6
    Quote: Ascetic
    Now, without direct military aggression, no one can cope with Assad.

    - I’ll venture to suggest that there are NO even those who want to carry out direct aggression against Syria! More precisely, those who want to have their dreams, but to realize their desires in real life - yes there are none. Israel in the event of direct aggression will receive a half-Arab world as an enemy, the amers have money and fighting spirit, the foreign legion of the custodians against the Malian fighters is still nothing, but the custodians themselves know very well what will happen to their legion in the event of a direct clash with Syrian soldiers laughing
  15. Rakti-kali
    Rakti-kali 8 August 2013 20: 09
    +4
    Quote: Pimply
    We judge the whole world in two ways?

    There are already more of them. Democrats are already preparing their way to retreat to Syria, hinting to their electorate that the fighters with the regime there are not so white and fluffy.
  16. Pimply
    Pimply 8 August 2013 21: 09
    -21 qualifying.
    Yeah. Only here is the loss of Russia's position in politics from articles. Yes, you can look at yourself in the mirror - how big and scary we are. Only now they are building relationships with big and terrible ones and doing business only when they are smart.
  17. Aljavad
    Aljavad 9 August 2013 01: 45
    +6
    Do smart allies surrender?
  18. Rakti-kali
    Rakti-kali 9 August 2013 10: 48
    +2
    Quote: Pimply
    Yeah. Only here is the loss of Russia's position in politics from articles. Yes, you can look at yourself in the mirror - how big and scary we are. Only now they are building relationships with big and terrible ones and doing business only when they are smart.

    Here, that's why Russia is in no hurry to do stupid things to please Western or Middle Eastern sworn friends.
  19. Aljavad
    Aljavad 9 August 2013 01: 41
    +3
    Russia itself is a whole world. We are self-sufficient. That is why they are afraid to unite with us. Absorb and soluble in its vastness. And we are not afraid of isolation. Have tried. Not deadly. But we do not strive for this. Precisely because they tried. Israel also seemed to be in isolation, but this or that aid did not stop from the USA. And this is not that.
  20. Day 11
    Day 11 9 August 2013 01: 49
    +1
    Exactly --- the idea of ​​JUCHE is what we need!
  21. studentmati
    studentmati 9 August 2013 01: 53
    +1
    Juche idea - by definition, the idea is right! The methods are different ...
  22. studentmati
    studentmati 9 August 2013 02: 07
    0
    Quote: Den 11
    Exactly --- the idea of ​​JUCHE is what we need!


    A breakthrough is provided !!!
  23. Day 11
    Day 11 9 August 2013 02: 26
    0
    Reliance on OWN forces. There is something in it!
  24. Apologet.Ru
    Apologet.Ru 8 August 2013 18: 26
    +8
    hi
    Ascetic’s colleague, my full respect drinks !
  • Tykta
    Tykta 8 August 2013 17: 08
    -44 qualifying.
    I won’t be surprised if they buy ... after Libya in Russia there were no honest diplomats, no honest presidents
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 8 August 2013 17: 44
      20
      Quote: Tykta
      . after Libya, there were no honest diplomats, no honest presidents in Russia

      but Tykta (you) remained fellow , they will soon be listed in the "Red Book" as an endangered species. winked ... trouble is just .. crying
    2. dmit-xnumx
      dmit-xnumx 8 August 2013 18: 27
      +8
      The book is Red! Why her dirty?
    3. Ivan Kalinovich
      Ivan Kalinovich 8 August 2013 22: 24
      +3
      that no, there you need to read the subtext, not tykta, but tyfta :)
    4. aksakal
      aksakal 8 August 2013 23: 15
      +2
      Quote: Ivan Kalinovich
      that no, there you need to read the subtext, not tykta, but tyfta :)
      - This is a mechanical error, but the author has no time to correct it - his fingers are already busy "commenting" about Rashka, in which "there is nothing"
    5. Tykta
      Tykta 10 August 2013 11: 19
      -1
      I don’t like Kazakhs at all, not even because they are crooked-legged post-imperial uneducated, moon-faced, corrupt characters, simply because I know what Kazakhs are - essentially - nothing. all that you have is the legacy of the USSR, all the infrastructure, factories, GOKs, even Baikonur isn’t yours, but to kindle phobias in our media and sound what you can’t understand - you still can with your crooked mentality .. .
  • Tykta
    Tykta 10 August 2013 13: 37
    0
    listen to the woodpecker carefully, pack your hand and give me a brief summary of the conflict in Libya and the crusade that the West organized. Losses of the Russian Federation only on unfulfilled military contracts withdrawn exceed $ 3 billion, those contracts that were peaceful in nature and concluded for 5-10 years in advance also amount to billions. Medvedev very clearly betrayed our economic interests, dishonored the Russian Federation before the whole world, and we no longer have faith in North Africa, since we are betraying our allies. In addition to the revoked military contracts, the two largest military factories were on the verge of bankruptcy due to the fact that they had fulfilled all obligations to Libya, but President Medvedev turned these goods back, in one case preventing them from unloading, in the other case terminating the contract unilaterally. Vladimir Chamov was the only diplomat who had the courage to call a spade a spade, and he voiced these treacherous actions of Medvedev, for which he was dismissed from service, but still expressed his will and anger, as well as his implacable position on the activities of the head of state. to say that Putin was out of business was simply stupid, he was aware of all the events in Libya and without his voice, such issues cannot be resolved, everyone should understand this
  • Nick
    Nick 8 August 2013 21: 13
    +4
    Quote: Tykta
    I won’t be surprised if they buy ... after Libya in Russia there were no honest diplomats, no honest presidents

    Judging by your comment, we also have dishonest commentators ...
  • Pimply
    Pimply 8 August 2013 21: 17
    -1
    Honest diplomat or honest president is a good joke 8)
  • Tykta
    Tykta 12 August 2013 02: 02
    0
    an honest head of state is strict observance of international law if a promise is made regarding a different state. One of the representatives of the dishonest heads of state was Adolf Hitler, remember how he ended. The same obligatory conditions of the state entrusts to its diplomats representing their interests, up to the severance of relations between the states in case of failure to fulfill the agreed conditions. therefore, it is not worth ironizing on the topic of honesty of the head of state or the diplomatic corps - they are required to fulfill the guarantees and conditions of their people. the fact that Medvedev openly betrayed the interests of our country only says that he is a traitor.
  • Tykta
    Tykta 10 August 2013 11: 10
    +1
    are you alluding to? Vladimir Chamov - does this person’s name tell you something? the fact that he openly called the president of Russia a traitor and resigned can be considered a demarche, but to ignore the betrayal is simply stupid. you all here are crucified about the corruptness of commentators; then, in fact, corrupt you are just all of you, however, like our government.
  • carver
    carver 8 August 2013 18: 12
    14
    Quote: Pimply
    Prestige? Russia lost a lot with this war


    And what did she lose? In the money? So power is not in the grandmothers, but in truth.
    In prestige? Only a dibil can believe that not bowing down to the euro and the Anglo-Progean governments and defending their interests, sending to Rabec and Topol-M all this outgoing saliva of a furious pack, led by a mattress and star-filled, can lead to a loss of prestige.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 8 August 2013 20: 58
      -13 qualifying.
      Quote: carver
      And what did she lose? In the money? So power is not in the grandmothers, but in truth.

      List? In money, including. Or do you know how to live without them? Forgotten the 90s, miners with helmets on the streets, and unpaid salaries to teachers for the year? Snickering? And how will gas prices collapse when Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which have gigantic foreign exchange reserves - much higher than Russia with a much smaller population, will dump oil and gas prices by dumping. Do you think you save your work, for example? Will there be money on the Internet, or at least bread? Here it is for you - the truth.

      Quote: carver

      In prestige? Only a dibil can believe that not bowing down to the euro and the Anglo-Progean governments and defending their interests, sending to Rabec and Topol-M all this outgoing saliva of a furious pack, led by a mattress and star-filled, can lead to a loss of prestige.


      Everything is fine. You should always stand and rattle your arms. Only now, if you do this without calculating the moves, it suddenly turns out that there is nothing to rattle and nothing to do. Oil money spoiled you. Forgot what happened during the recent crisis? But oil and gas prices fell relatively not much. The budget is still scarce, do you know?

      Americans, for every dollar they invest, have a plan to get ten. Like China. Do you propose a second destruction of the USSR? When will the economy collapse from unbearable gifts?
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 8 August 2013 23: 29
      10
      Quote: Pimply
      Or do you know how to live without them? Forgotten the 90s, miners with helmets on the streets, and unpaid salaries to teachers for the year? Snickering?
      - Bumpy, fullness, cool down. The world has long been different, and different because Russia and whoever is next to it in the Union are all already different. What tries the 90s? This was a scam for us while we firmly believed in "democracy, civilization, high culture and a high standard of living", well, whatever they are! We were told - "you want so? Only shock therapy will help us." Now who will sell it to us again? Can someone force us to repeat the 90s? AND RISK! am am Remember the date of the past day? Exactly five years ago, one wanted to prove something by force - to remind you of how the case ended?
      We didn’t eat too much, but we just CAN LET OURSELVES REMAIN HUMAN REGARDING THE SYRIANS! IT COSTS A LOT! I understand, Bumpy, it's hard for you to understand, for you 15 lards offered by the Saudis - that's all, you don't understand how you can not "waste" for such, I understand you, but we have such different joys from money - from you yourself These lards are happy, we have - because thanks to money we can afford to remain human!
      So we are not strong
      Quote: Pimply
      But oil and gas prices fell relatively not much. The budget is still scarce, do you know?
      scare, and these
      Quote: Pimply
      Americans, for every dollar they invest, have a plan to get ten. Like China ...
      please do not put us as an example - if that, because we also know how to be rude. Do you understand what I mean wink
    3. urganov
      urganov 9 August 2013 06: 40
      +2
      Aksakalu respect for the accurate expression of the essence of the reaction of the Russian world and view on the situation.
      Quote: aksakal
      It is difficult for you to understand, for you 15 lard offered by the Saudis is all, you do not understand how you can not "waste" for such, I understand you, but we have such different joys from money

      good
  • Aljavad
    Aljavad 9 August 2013 01: 50
    +2
    Gorgeous statement! Neither Israel, nor even the states-never (!) Never rattle their weapons.
    As I understand it: they can, but to others - ayayay! Niiizzyayayaya!
  • Basil123
    Basil123 8 August 2013 20: 55
    +4
    GDP doesn’t give up if you didn’t notice even if it’s not profitable, but here they’ll offer to go lower and don’t stop
    1. Basil123
      Basil123 8 August 2013 21: 22
      +3
      Saudis bowed crying so that the GDP does not give permission to Assad after the victory to blow on the head to those who helped the terrorists am And for 15 billions of candy wrappers, he generously agreed repeat the Arabs were happy, and in order to win a bribe, we will supply them with rubber tanks they are already doing wink and everyone is happy drinks
  • Simon
    Simon 8 August 2013 21: 01
    +8
    Russia has lost a lot in twenty years, and now it's time to collect stones and raise our authority around the world. So we will not give Syria. stop
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 8 August 2013 21: 14
      -17 qualifying.
      Syria is one of the last pieces not lost. It is precisely because of such a policy that is thoughtless, unable to calculate the situation for years to come, spitting on the real interests of the state.

      Everything is cool - in the mirror we are big and scary. Only big and scary strive to hit in the back, if they do not turn on the head on time.
    2. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 9 August 2013 14: 01
      +2
      Quote: Pimply
      Syria is one of the last pieces not lost. It is precisely because of such a policy that is thoughtless, unable to calculate the situation for years to come, spitting on the real interests of the state.

      It is precisely because of the thoughtless submission of Russian politics to the interests of the West in the 90s that Syria is now one of the last lost pieces. And you continue to idolize the West and their symbionts and demand from Russia to betray their interests for the sake of momentary profit.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 8 August 2013 22: 50
    -13 qualifying.
    And Russia has lost Sunni Syria and most of the Sunni world. At least for a very long time.
  • Day 11
    Day 11 8 August 2013 22: 53
    +1
    Zhenya, why did you get demoted from the colonel to captains (yet) for ONE day?
  • Tykta
    Tykta 12 August 2013 01: 56
    0
    Quote: Den 11
    Zhenya, why did you get demoted from the colonel to captains (yet) for ONE day?

    probably for having a clear and consistent opinion, despite the dolbaeb urapatriotov defending his opinion based on history, even if recent and I agree with him on so many points, because there is sanity in his words.
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 8 August 2013 23: 01
    +9
    Come on, Israel from the very moment of its formation has lost the WHOLE Arab world and almost the entire Muslim (both Shiite and Sunni) and is not particularly worried about this. As for Syria, Assad Basmachi will finish and everything will be the same. When Iran was offered the S-300, Nitanyahu came to Moscow to persuade Aifonchik not to sell, so Saudi Arabia also expressed a desire to buy the T-90. Well, Medved was persuaded not to deliver the S-300 for an iPhone and a hamburger with Obama, and Saudi Arabia bought the Leopard-2A6, and Iran threatens to sue the arbitration and we (Russia) get into big grandmothers. We know swam. Yours faithfully! hi
  • DPN
    DPN 9 August 2013 16: 31
    +1
    Quote: smiths xnumx
    Come on, Israel from the very moment of its formation has lost the WHOLE Arab world and almost the entire Muslim (both Shiite and Sunni) and is not particularly worried about this. As for Syria, Assad Basmachi will finish and everything will be the same. When Iran was offered the S-300, Nitanyahu came to Moscow to persuade Aifonchik not to sell, so Saudi Arabia also expressed a desire to buy the T-90. Well, Medved was persuaded not to deliver the S-300 for an iPhone and a hamburger with Obama, and Saudi Arabia bought the Leopard-2A6, and Iran threatens to sue the arbitration and we (Russia) get into big grandmothers. We know swam. Yours faithfully! hi

    Here’s an iPhone - a demon, and it’s necessary to give up on not frail money, but return S-3oo to its destination
  • Blackscorp
    Blackscorp 9 August 2013 08: 26
    +1
    I don’t remember something that Russia acquired in the Sunni world, what would it be to lose? .... Remind me of the acquisition ... can we compare the trade turnover between Russia and these countries and compare it with others? or look at the degree of influence of Russia in these countries ?? You do not seem to be an analyst, but a troll, but on our Internet now every second person considers himself an analyst ... you only have empty words about the budget, oil, politics, and everything else ...
  • Rakti-kali
    Rakti-kali 9 August 2013 14: 04
    +2
    Quote: Pimply
    And Russia has lost Sunni Syria and most of the Sunni world. At least for a very long time.

    Smiled. Neighing. Do you know that for example in Russia 96% of Muslims are Sunnis?
  • Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 8 August 2013 22: 52
    +1
    And what has Russia lost? Only honestly, as a pioneer in the lineup.
  • aksakal
    aksakal 8 August 2013 23: 12
    11
    Quote: Pimply
    Prestige? Russia lost a lot with this war.

    - what did Russia lose? If Russia has lost a lot in your eyes, then believe me, this is a very miserable loss, in size even more like profit instead of loss laughing
    I see no losses in connection with the war in Syria. Politically? How did she defend Assad, practically alone against the whole world (with the rather timid complicity of China) - lost in prestige? You are laughing. Perhaps the prestige of Russia has fallen on the part of persons adhering to radical political Islam, radical "democratic" views, as well as all sorts of Zionists and other fraternity - and this is also not a big loss! laughing Pimpled, you wanted to upset me with this:
    Quote: Pimply
    Prestige? Russia lost a lot with this war.
    but it turned out that they made me happy. To hold prestige among persons adhering to radical political Islam, radical "democratic" views, as well as various kinds of Zionists - DO NOT RESPECT yourself!
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 9 August 2013 00: 13
    10
    Quote: Pimply
    Prestige?
    This is an Israeli citizen says? So Russia is doing everything right.
  • Aljavad
    Aljavad 9 August 2013 01: 26
    +1
    Nuuuu ... unless in Israel.
  • sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 9 August 2013 05: 07
    0
    As always, you are stuck with minuses.
  • SergeySK
    SergeySK 9 August 2013 06: 54
    -2
    15 billion is 100 bucks per person, so take them from arabesques and heal ?!
  • Povit
    Povit 8 August 2013 20: 45
    -6
    Totally agree with you.
  • Povit
    Povit 8 August 2013 20: 43
    +2
    You can dirty yourself with this dirty rag, then you won’t wash yourself. This is not our method.
  • QW4238
    QW4238 9 August 2013 03: 19
    +1
    I don’t agree with you, in my opinion it is better to draw a direct line in this case, and that everyone would know that if Russia conceived something, it would certainly do something despite barking!
  • Egor.nic
    Egor.nic 9 August 2013 11: 49
    +1
    Not worthy of Russian. This approach is the Jews.
  • rolik
    rolik 8 August 2013 15: 27
    10
    Quote: Den 11
    Are you kidding? Such a shnyag will not work here!

    Why are we joking. Normal move, to squeeze money from the Saudis and give them to Assad. And send the Saudis. Fantasy of course, but the fantasy is interesting. A much more straightforward move, do not take money and immediately send it to the donkey mother who gave birth to them all.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 8 August 2013 16: 41
      -35 qualifying.
      Are you so rich? Do you know how much a teacher or doctor receives in Russia? I propose - we will not waste time on trifles, but transfer the entire Russian budget to Assad.
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 8 August 2013 17: 17
        20
        Quote: Pimply
        Are you so rich? Do you know how much a teacher or doctor receives in Russia? I propose - we will not waste time on trifles, but transfer the entire Russian budget to Assad.

        If you miss all foreign policy (as you suggest, save money), then it is very interesting how much the teacher will receive in the future?
        1. zart_arn
          zart_arn 8 August 2013 17: 39
          -19 qualifying.
          We turn to the language of dry accounting - what profit will we get by helping the Syrian Akbar, who will throw us as infidels, at the wrong time?
          1. Povit
            Povit 8 August 2013 20: 58
            10
            First of all, we help ourselves.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 8 August 2013 21: 16
              -17 qualifying.
              What exactly. Debt relief of half a trillion rubles, loss of prospects for the same amount, loss of position among the Arab Middle East?
              1. sergo0000
                sergo0000 8 August 2013 22: 35
                +2
                Quote: Pimply
                What exactly. Debt relief of half a trillion rubles, loss of prospects for the same amount, loss of position among the Arab Middle East?
                The puppet kingdoms of Qatar and the SA are not the whole Arab world. Yes, and these kings, although insanely rich, are also not eternal. winked We’ll see what happens in their toy kingdoms if the USA ceases to support the SA, and England Qatar. The USA no longer really needs Saudi gas, by the way, as you hope.
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 8 August 2013 22: 44
                -6
                What Qatar, what CA does not call puppets. Yes, the USA has an influence on them. The only question is what and to what extent. That Qatar, that the SA are playing their own, very different game from the USA, and any serious Arabist will laugh in your face, you name them puppets. The guys have long been in the puppeteers league.
              3. sasha.28blaga
                sasha.28blaga 9 August 2013 05: 43
                +1
                What are you respected or we don’t know about, maybe they started their own invention and production of weapons, aircraft, tanks, ships, missiles. And they completely ceased to be dependent on arms imports. They are puppeteers of their own kind, so they seized on Syria. Puppeteers ..., anal isator.
          2. Aljavad
            Aljavad 9 August 2013 02: 01
            +1
            You are again about money .... But they are not the main thing!
          3. sasha.28blaga
            sasha.28blaga 9 August 2013 05: 44
            0
            Money, as if many of us did not like the main thing today, but there are different ways of making money.
        2. sasha.28blaga
          sasha.28blaga 9 August 2013 05: 39
          +1
          Old money in the form of old cartridges and shells. Which would have to be destroyed in a couple of years by ourselves, and so come in handy and even how useful. You papyrchaty anal in another place.
        3. Rakti-kali
          Rakti-kali 9 August 2013 14: 10
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          What exactly. Debt relief of half a trillion rubles, loss of prospects for the same amount, loss of position among the Arab Middle East?

          You have very accurately shown the consequences of what will happen if Russia behaves like a cheap slut.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 8 August 2013 20: 15
    -5
    No, I suggest not shouting nonsense "nafig 15 billion". If you haven't noticed, in recent years Russia has been diligently losing its positions, especially in the Arab world. Including due to ill-considered policy. It is not a force in order to simply be strong, but for the benefit of the state - including the economic one. At the moment, only Syria, to some extent Algeria and Sudan, remains de facto Russian in the Middle East.
    Losses are taking place in India, Vietnam and many other, formerly very pro-Russian countries. Or do you propose giving Syrians weapons without taking into account further consequences at the expense of our taxes?
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 8 August 2013 17: 52
    17
    * "Then one of His disciples, Judas Simon Iscariot, who wanted to betray Him, said: Why not sell this ointment for three hundred denarii and give it to the poor? *

    * He said this not because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief. He had a cash drawer with him and carried what was lowered there. "* Holy Gospel of John, chapter 12

    This suggests that Judah was greedy, and therefore betrayed.

    Fortunately, we are not followers of Judah. Or do you have a different orientation?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 8 August 2013 20: 50
      -12 qualifying.
      Everything is fine. Only we are talking about the state and the welfare of its citizens. Are Syrian citizens Russian citizens?
      1. phantom359
        phantom359 8 August 2013 23: 44
        +3
        Quote: Pimply
        Everything is fine. Only we are talking about the state and the welfare of its citizens. Are Syrian citizens Russian citizens?

        Oh yes, I noticed that you are worried about Russian citizens.)))
  • Jahn
    Jahn 8 August 2013 17: 54
    15
    IT IS BETTER TO FEED YOUR ARMY THAN ANOTHER, A LOT OF TEACHERS IN IRAQ, LIBYA,
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 8 August 2013 20: 51
      -16 qualifying.
      Is the Syrian army a Russian army?
      1. phantom359
        phantom359 8 August 2013 23: 45
        +3
        Quote: Pimply
        Is the Syrian army a Russian army?

        Is the Georgian army Israeli?
      2. poquello
        poquello 9 August 2013 00: 21
        +4
        Quote: Pimply
        Is the Syrian army a Russian army?

        No. The Syrian is fighting, including for our interests, and our interests are Syria.
      3. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 9 August 2013 08: 47
        +1
        It is not for nothing that the proverb says: `` Don't have a hundred rubles, but have a hundred friends, ''
        because not everything in life is decided only by money. And they also say that it is better to have one friend than 100 friends!

        REALLY DOESN'T YOU UNDERSTAND IT? I sympathize with your parents, friends, if any, just acquaintances ...
  • carver
    carver 8 August 2013 18: 20
    13
    Quote: Pimply
    Are you so rich? Do you know how much a teacher or doctor receives in Russia? I propose - we will not waste time on trifles, but transfer the entire Russian budget to Assad.


    As I understand it, you are ready to sell for the loot of relatives and friends to the authorities, but why not a bad increase in salary.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 8 August 2013 20: 46
      -17 qualifying.
      We switched to you?

      Firstly, the states are not friends - they cooperate. And they benefit from it. FOR ITS, first of all, citizens.

      A normal policy is when a state, supporting another state, has something in mind.

      Syria several years ago wrote off an amount approximately equal to approximately what is offered by Riyadh. And Riyadh also offers those things for the sake of which Russia has largely gotten into this mess.

      The problem is that Russia is now losing ground (take an interest in the attitude to Russia in the Arab countries), the richest markets that pay in cash, and not with loans, territories, leverage. Remind me how much has been lost in recent years? Russia is left with an ever-decreasing number of previously successful tyrants (Algeria, Sudan, Syria) and without leverage. The time will come - and Qatar will roll out huge volumes of liquefied gas to the market and bring down prices. They don't care there. In Europe it will be generally super. And in Russia, the budget will collapse. Because there are no technologies for liquefying gas and modern facilities, there are very problematic pipes.

      I speak openly, hysterically pseudo-patriotic baby?
      1. uhu189
        uhu189 8 August 2013 23: 15
        +5
        Here I read your comments and wonder. Russia is not a small country to live with such approaches as you propose. What prevents Qatar from rolling out liquefied gas to Europe right now, especially since it has both technology and production facilities. Do they, out of kindness of heart, care about the budget of Russia? Or maybe they just do not have tankers to meet the needs of Europe? Or is Saudi Arabia offering arms purchases taking care of Russia's well-being? And they just like that, because they don’t like Assad decided to offer Russia a bribe, so to speak from personal antipathies? And I assure you that if the Russian Federation accepts the terms of the Saudis, this will in no way give guarantees that Qatar will not collapse gas prices in the future (as you say), it will simply be easier for it to do this - in addition to tankers, gas pipelines will also be added, that’s all ... And as for the attitude towards Russia, I wouldn’t worry at all about this. All Arab countries have a negative attitude towards Israel - but this does not prevent half of them from trading with it, and Israel can calmly defend its interests. And there is much to learn in this Russia. Public opinion is a twofold thing - it changes a lot to please external circumstances. If Syria is separated - then I assure you - the opinion will also change
      2. Aljavad
        Aljavad 9 August 2013 02: 16
        +5
        One can be interested in the opinion of the Arab countries when they do survive the notorious "Spring". And if we are not weak to write off a certain amount, then it is not essential to us. You are counting and counting other people's money all the time. But the sum is ridiculous and even insulting. This is when it comes to money. Now about the method of obtaining them. A highly paid prostitute is still just a prostitute. And they might not pay what they promised - well, I didn't like it! Gorby's example is a surety. For the sake of universal human values, he sold everything and everyone. And he was not paid. And got a reputation - the nationwide Judas. And Putin knows it. Better than you and me.
      3. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 9 August 2013 14: 18
        +2
        Quote: Pimply
        take an interest in the attitude to Russia in the Arab countries

        I asked - the majority of the population of the Maghreb fiercely, madly hate the Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula, and the further to the west, the more they hate. The attitude towards Russians at the level of personal communication is "Russia is not a capitalist, Russia is a friend", and this is from a taxi driver to a banker. And the greatest losses in the image of Russia suffered in the Maghreb countries of the drain of Gaddafi, and this despite the fact that this Tuareg there was not particularly fond of.
    2. Basil123
      Basil123 8 August 2013 21: 47
      +2
      Vysotsky has a song If the DRKG suddenly turned out to be not a friend, but .......... I hope we will not be so respectful of our people above mercantile values, this is the story in our time, take at least the same Taliban Islamists, etc. they not fighting for plasma, not for Canary stop
  • arkady149
    arkady149 8 August 2013 19: 30
    +9
    This may surprise you, but Russians think not only by the criteria for profit from gesheft, there is also decency.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 8 August 2013 20: 49
      -14 qualifying.
      The task of the state is to take care of the welfare of citizens, if not now, then in the long term. Right?
      About their well-being. And not someone else's, but his own.
      Influence in the world, surprisingly, is also created for this, and not in order to play with muscles.
      And in the future, Russia spends a lot and loses even more: leverage, influence, and so on.
      The winner is not the one who rattles louder with iron, but the one who thinks through the moves a few steps forward.
      1. Black
        Black 8 August 2013 22: 07
        +5
        Quote: Pimply
        The winner is not the one who rattles louder with iron, but the one who thinks through the moves a few steps forward.

        I allow myself, with your consent, to wedge.
        That's right. And thinking through a few steps forward, the Saudis (if all this is not a DUCK, of course) will bring down their last confidence in Russia.
        Agree, 15 billion, and even 100 are not worth looking at the country as a resident from Iskariot.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 8 August 2013 22: 47
          -6
          You think not with the strategies and benefits of the state, but with show-offs. But the show-offs were rattled with weapons and could not be hooked onto the last piece of what was left of the once large pie. Do you think why such a small piece remained, and soon it will not remain? Because you need to be able to bake new pies, and not just keep old ones. Old ones tend to stale and break their teeth.
      2. poquello
        poquello 9 August 2013 18: 18
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        The task of the state is to take care of the welfare of citizens, if not now, then in the long term. Right?
        About their well-being. And not someone else's, but his own.

        About welfare -
        The well-being of citizens in Russia depends on the degree of stripping the people by the state and the bribe-takers, now the people live better than with the participation of Chubais in the leadership.
        About the prospect -
        It was the USA that was waiting for us when we turned into a raw materials appendage and pumped up the Russian market, now the hair on the priest is torn, and the place is taken.
        Quote: Pimply

        The winner is not the one who rattles louder with iron, but the one who thinks through the moves a few steps forward.

        We do not rattle with weapons, but create parity.
  • phantom359
    phantom359 8 August 2013 23: 42
    0
    No, Israeli Saakashvili is better.
  • Aljavad
    Aljavad 9 August 2013 01: 59
    0
    Money, of course, is always scarce, but not one of my friends teachers and doctors swells from hunger, but it looks quite civilized.
  • sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 9 August 2013 05: 36
    0
    Have you been asked for money for Assad?
  • Rakti-kali
    Rakti-kali 9 August 2013 14: 07
    0
    Quote: Pimply
    Are you so rich? Do you know how much a teacher or doctor receives in Russia? I propose - we will not waste time on trifles, but transfer the entire Russian budget to Assad.

    Slightly more than in Tunisia, and this despite the fact that in Tunisia ALL citizens receive education (secondary, specialized secondary and higher) ABSOLUTELY FREE.
  • yak69
    yak69 8 August 2013 17: 53
    +2
    Quote: Den 11
    Are you kidding? Such a shnyag will not work here!

    Why do you think so? Our gayropeyskih and amerovskih "partners" it goes over and over again and nothing! They live and prosper. They also grin hard.
    And it would be necessary to throw the Saudis into the impudent and still laugh in the face of these brats! Ehh, only Putin’s gut is thin on such actions. He can’t even get the paid S-300 systems to Syria. Everything plays in cat and mouse, delivered, not delivered!
    And it is high time to openly put them and use them at the first convenient opportunity (of which there were already dozens!). And we all chew snot, we talk, and there children, women and old people pay with their lives for all this "diplomacy".
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 8 August 2013 18: 06
      -13 qualifying.
      Send your children to the Caucasus?
      1. Che
        Che 8 August 2013 18: 38
        12
        Den 11.
        If the amers there again spark the conflict, we will be forced to send both children and grandchildren.
      2. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 8 August 2013 18: 47
        17
        I'll go myself. And I will give instructions to the children: "Learn military science in a real way."
        Bo behind the mother's skirt are unlikely to sit out based on their modern realities. We’ll fight anyway. And they need to be prepared for this.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 8 August 2013 19: 01
          +8
          Yes, you say everything correctly. And I will go myself (my son is still too small).
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 8 August 2013 20: 49
          -10 qualifying.
          Have you been there?
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 8 August 2013 21: 28
            0
            Is this a trick question?
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 8 August 2013 22: 47
              -1
              This is not for you.
              1. Aljavad
                Aljavad 9 August 2013 02: 22
                +1
                A friend recently returned from Syria. For business, I flew. They will stand. And they will say thanks to us.
        3. sasha.28blaga
          sasha.28blaga 9 August 2013 05: 54
          +1
          Of course, it is scary to send children to war, but I accustom myself to the thought: the son is a man, a man is obliged and must be able to fight. Well, if war, then it should be so. Well, not a daughter to send to the war.
      3. alone
        alone 8 August 2013 21: 07
        -1
        belay and who are you going to fight there?
        1. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 8 August 2013 22: 33
          0
          With those who survive in Syria.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 8 August 2013 22: 40
            +1
            Here we will be with them
          2. alone
            alone 8 August 2013 22: 40
            -1
            Well then, good luck gentlemen))
    2. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 9 August 2013 05: 47
      0
      Pimpy all the ether took.
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 8 August 2013 14: 09
    +4
    In exchange, Saudi Arabia wants Moscow to weaken Assad’s support and not veto any possible UN Security Council resolutions on Syria.


    In return for this promise, Moscow promised instead of refusing Syria to redirect its strategic nuclear forces from Saudi Arabia. laughing


    That would look just right!
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  • nekeesh
    nekeesh 8 August 2013 16: 12
    +1
    Eh ... you are a naive person. And the point is in giving them back to Assad, Russia will not get direct benefits from this.
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  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 8 August 2013 18: 15
    +4
    Quote: RETX
    Well, then it’s hard to troll the Arabs, they say we don’t know anything, there was no money.

    Arabs can and can be touched. It’s harder to troll Mr. Court in The Hague and launder a spat on your face!
    Say: IT IS YOU NEEDED? (with).
    1. klyka1960
      klyka1960 8 August 2013 19: 55
      +2
      This court, for a long time, spat upon itself and not only saliva ....
  • Aljavad
    Aljavad 9 August 2013 01: 19
    0
    this is not a showdown in the yard - I am not my house. One "yes" on our part - and the collapse of our entire policy. Taking money is a jamb, which is not enough. POSITION - DO NOT TRADE. This is if the Great Powers. It is possible for operetta principalities. And Russia is again a Great Power.
    And the very fact of stuffing such information is proof of this. Our position in Syria is strong, loyal and respected. And the Saudi plans are already ok. years trash at the seams.
    And we have OUR money to help Assad. Again - not the 90s.
  • Free Island
    Free Island 9 August 2013 05: 39
    0
    I personally support :)))) it is necessary to show that Russia can also do as the United States - give guarantees and then throw it through a bolt :))))) although this is certainly ugly and I do not want to spoil the image of our state as a decent player in the political arena, but they kick out a wedge with a wedge :)) 0 see dancing, Israel and the Queen of the Gayropeyskaya Great Britain :) you can also be thrown on the world stage :))))
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  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 8 August 2013 12: 53
    35
    "Do you want me to pay in gold?"

    "You know, Abdullah, I don't take bribes."
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 8 August 2013 15: 28
      11
      Abdula! Hands down then! And if that - I will not miss!
  • 225chay
    225chay 8 August 2013 13: 06
    12
    Quote: S-200
    " Money can not buy happiness !"


    Scum all measure money.
    Guess who ...
  • nycsson
    nycsson 8 August 2013 13: 58
    0
    Why a clear failure? request
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    1. Fire
      Fire 8 August 2013 15: 16
      12
      There is a saying: "don't have 100 rubles, but have 100 friends." Nafig these 15 billion. Syria should definitely be supported !!! We will help Syria now, and tomorrow we may need help from it.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 8 August 2013 15: 21
        +3
        Think correctly. And this will not necessarily be military assistance --- rather economic (resources)
        1. S-200
          S-200 8 August 2013 16: 13
          +7
          Quote: Den 11
          And this will not necessarily be military assistance --- rather, economic (resources)

          Rather, it is the strengthening of Russia's geopolitical influence in the Middle East region with all the consequences ...
          hi
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 8 August 2013 16: 44
        -28 qualifying.
        Well, that's right, provided that various projects are promised for 30 trillion rubles, and this year's budget is in short supply, the pension fund is barely breathing, and they won't talk about public sector salaries at all, you can loudly shout "nafig 15 billion." There are no friends in politics - there are allies.
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 8 August 2013 17: 19
          11
          Quote: Pimply
          and this year’s budget is scarce,

          Deficit budget starting in 2008. True, according to the results of the year, the last 2 years are surplus. If we compare the external debts of the United States and most countries of the geyropa, Russia in general is in chocolate, in this regard.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 8 August 2013 21: 02
            -7
            Quote: Russ69
            Deficit budget starting in 2008. True, according to the results of the year, the last 2 years are surplus. If we compare the external debts of the United States and most countries of the geyropa, Russia in general is in chocolate, in this regard.

            Better not to compare, not knowing what criteria to compare. In Russia, a third of the budget is tied to the same geyropu and the United States, to hydrocarbon prices.
        2. beard999
          beard999 8 August 2013 18: 15
          16
          Quote: Pimply
          this year's budget is scarce

          The budget deficit in Russia is orders of magnitude smaller than yours in Israel.
          The deficit of the federal budget of Russia for 2012 is 0,04 percent of GDP.
          http://www.rg.ru/2013/02/05/budzet-anons.html
          Israel’s federal budget deficit for 2012 is 4,2 percent of GDP.
          http://jtimes.ru/news/israel/2967-defitsit-byudzheta-izrailya-v-dva-raza-bolshe-
          predusmotrennogo
          So, read your shekels better in your pocket, and not Russian rubles, in someone else's ...
          Quote: Pimply
          you can loudly shout "nafig 15 billion"

          Pimpled, enough to carry nonsense about "see 15 billion." This is cheap wiring. Nobody forgot how in 2009 the Saudis already offered us 7 billion, for the refusal of supplies of S-300 to Iran http://www.polit.ru/news/2009/10/01/xevenmlrd/. We did not supply S-300, and did Saudi Arabia buy much weapons from us after that? Yes, no shit! Instead of us, they immediately bought military equipment in the USA, for 60 billion. Http://voprosik.net/saudovskaya-araviya-srochno-vooruzhaetsya/. Saudi words are worthless.
        3. dmit-xnumx
          dmit-xnumx 8 August 2013 18: 32
          +6
          And immediately after the last phrase (quote) add one more: "When you feel smart, you don't feel like a traitor."
        4. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 8 August 2013 18: 40
          13
          And you offer us to throw our allies. For money.
          Pimpy I think you do not care, but I do not respect you.
        5. Rakti-kali
          Rakti-kali 9 August 2013 14: 24
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          There are no friends in politics - there are allies.

          And finally we do not sell our allies and do not betray our interests.
    2. clean water
      clean water 8 August 2013 16: 09
      +2
      С
      Quote: Vasya Ivanov
      I still remember how we sold Libya, it becomes disgusting.

      Who did you sell Libya with?
      1. Very old
        Very old 8 August 2013 17: 02
        +6
        YOU ARE PURE WATER - we’ll think the person blurted out the wrong thing. Surely he’d thought better of it. Syria and Libya - well, very different situations, and events developed according to different scenarios. Only in one case did everything go smoothly with the scriptwriters, but in others the bald horseradish
    3. Very old
      Very old 8 August 2013 16: 54
      +2
      Uncle, we did not sell anyone (Russia!). Look, your lips rolled out.
      1. little man
        little man 8 August 2013 17: 36
        +1
        Come on, everything happened. Under Yeltsin, this was normal. Former Yugoslavia ...
        1. Aljavad
          Aljavad 9 August 2013 02: 29
          +1
          We didn’t sell bros. We could not help them. There were no forces.
  • Apologet.Ru
    Apologet.Ru 8 August 2013 11: 57
    19
    hi
    Yeah, the bomb - Provocation of pure water.
    Rough PROVOCATION on political prostitution and PROVOCATION on a banal bribe.
    Uncle Goebbels would certainly be upset and spanked the careless students in the pope.
    Looks like things are going well with Comrade Assad since the Indians and their voluntary assistants openly “tear down the roof”!
    It will be interesting to hear the comments of Russian officials ...
    1. mnn_13
      mnn_13 8 August 2013 12: 50
      11
      I fully agree - a gross provocation ...
      This is top-level diplomacy so a comment can mean everything and nothing. The main thing here is a few things - the first is that Russia will lose its prestige and trust (friends from eastern Europe betrayed it and you know what happened ...), the second - Russia will lose irrevocably influence in this region and finally, as the article says, no one guarantees that after fulfilling the set goals, the Saudis will fulfill the contract.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 8 August 2013 14: 06
      32
      Quote: Apologet.Ru
      It will be interesting to hear the comments of Russian officials ...
      1. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 8 August 2013 14: 51
        +3
        Comrade, for the photo 100 points! good
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 8 August 2013 17: 43
          +1
          and such an option?
      2. S-200
        S-200 8 August 2013 16: 30
        11
        Quote: Setrac
        It will be interesting to hear the comments of Russian officials ...

        - Well, what is Dima? ... to the Qatari gas pipeline - J.O.P.A !! wassat
        - Oh, don’t make Volodya laugh! ...
        laughing
        - It remains only the third energy package in Europe to competently compete ... wink
      3. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 8 August 2013 16: 31
        +3
        hi
        Colleague, full respect drinks!
        1. S-200
          S-200 8 August 2013 17: 08
          0
          hi Mutually, colleague! drinks
    3. xan
      xan 8 August 2013 16: 33
      +3
      Quote: Apologet.Ru
      It will be interesting to hear the comments of Russian officials ...

      It is much more interesting that they really think about it. Well, a serious Saudi could not offer real boys such a shnyag.
      "Nebuchadnezzar, listen here! I can cough up so much myself that your whole royal family will move from golden toilets to ducks. And that's the best case for you."
      And officially it is clear "the prince's proposal is unacceptable for us"
  • Sandov
    Sandov 8 August 2013 12: 00
    18
    In exchange, Saudi Arabia wants Moscow to weaken Assad’s support and not veto any possible UN Security Council resolutions on Syria.

    If Russia does this, then this is the failure of our entire policy on the BV for long times, if not forever. I hope for the consistency and prudence of our politicians.
  • experienced
    experienced 8 August 2013 12: 04
    22
    This is all nonsense, no one will make concessions in Syria for not 15 lard, not 50 ... Everything will be like in that joke: "He will eat, then he may eat, but who will give him that?" You can promise a lot, and then the transports will "wander" along the coast like Ukrainian ones with armored personnel carriers. No, they don't change horses on the crossing and no one will "betray" a faithful ally with vague prospects
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 8 August 2013 12: 11
      15
      15 yards-money, of course, good --- but throwing your own in difficult times? No, we have a different mentality
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 8 August 2013 13: 56
        +7
        For the Saudis, for their silver pieces and Judas behavior, I would only have sold 2 Topolya-M, with self-delivery there. I think this charge would be enough to get rid of many problems in one fell swoop.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 8 August 2013 12: 36
      11
      Quote: seasoned
      This is all nonsense, no one will make concessions in Syria not for 15 lard, nor for 50 ...

      Alex, hi ! If this is all true, then the Saudis have clearly beguiled the coast, Syria is a state and 15 Lard -
      1. DEfindER
        DEfindER 8 August 2013 12: 53
        +8
        Quote: Tersky
        If this is all true, then the Saudis have clearly beguiled the coast, Syria is a state and 15 lards -

        And by the way, even without Syria, selling the latest equipment to the Saudis is like giving it away.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 8 August 2013 14: 48
        +9
        Quote: Tersky
        Alexey, ! If this is all true, then the Saudis have clearly beguiled the coast, Syria is a state and 15 Lard -
    3. Iraclius
      Iraclius 8 August 2013 15: 03
      +9
      Now we’ll buy weapons for $ 15 billion, and then we’ll fight off oil and gas sales in Europe a thousand times more. To what extent should the leadership of Russia be considered idiots to make such an offer?

      Therefore, several options:

      1. The news is a duck, at best a disa to test the reaction. $ 15 billion - not that scale.
      2. The news is true, but it’s more interesting here - either the Saudis are so sure that Russian politicians are capable of such a deal, or they have a tight brain.
      3. The situation in Syria is so out of control of the forces opposing Assad that there is no hope for other methods.
  • Normal
    Normal 8 August 2013 12: 10
    +8
    Quote: afire
    Either someone has survived from the mind, or duck No. 1 in 2013.

    Rather, the second. One cannot believe that such idiocy is taken seriously at such a level.
  • serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 8 August 2013 12: 11
    +3
    Read the original source: Reuters' own post. A small note that reads the following: "according to reports of politicians and rebels close to Saudi Arabia" .... "Officials of the SA and RF are not available for comment." And then there are the same empty comments from unknown persons on the topic: "What will Russia do?" Yes, remember the failed anti-Iranian contract. All. Maybe wait for something more responsible?
    If it’s a bomb, it’s exclusively propaganda
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 8 August 2013 22: 08
      0
      Quote: serge-68-68
      Read the original source: Reuters' own post. A small note that reads the following: "according to reports of politicians and rebels close to Saudi Arabia" .... "Officials of the SA and RF are not available for comment." And then there are the same empty comments of unknown persons

      It could be a test ball - check the reaction!
      Although it’s worth learning from them how to achieve the goal. If you can’t win, try to buy, intimidate, and blackmail. And on all fronts there is pressure in the media.
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 9 August 2013 02: 35
      0
      "Free Press" today: President of the Institute for the Middle East Yevgeny Satanovsky recalls that the Russian authorities have already tried to "buy" the Saudi prince Turki bin Faisal when the terrorist attack took place on Dubrovka. Then the classic principle of "hitting - rolling back" was applied. It is used quite often in criminal communities. Among Saudi princes, it turns out that this is also quite common. However, then Ben Faisal left Moscow "not salty".

      “SP”: - What did a senior guest from Saudi Arabia count on today?

      “I think he received nothing but friendly smiles and strong handshakes.” Because Vladimir Putin can hardly be called naive. Until now, he was not inclined to believe unfounded promises. And it is unlikely to lean in the near future.

      “SP”: - It turns out that Putin is constrained only by the lack of guarantees of the fulfillment of the promised?

      - If the president considers that the Saudi “promises” for some reason are madly necessary for us and will do what they want, then this will not lead to anything good. As you know, the US alliance with Saudi Arabia led to September 11th. We cannot even have illusions on this score. They have been our enemy since the war in Afghanistan. And they talk about it quite honestly. In this sense, they are generally very honest people. They invested not only in the Afghan war against our troops, but also in the first and second Chechen war. Money in the Caucasus ceased to flow only after they took up Iraq, as well as a serious struggle with the Americans. While continuing to smile joyfully and shake their hands. The attack in Orekhovo-Zuyevo, which was prevented by the security forces, was clearly provoked with funding from Saudi Arabia. This is such a “stick and stick” policy (whoever we don’t buy, we will blow it up). It is hard enough to believe that we will not be prevented from selling oil and gas to Europe. There is a Middle Eastern saying, "I promised, but I did not promise to fulfill."
  • avdkrd
    avdkrd 8 August 2013 12: 15
    +4
    it’s not even a matter of reputation, a simple calculation of economic losses in the case of gas supplies from Qatar to the geyropu puts everything in place. There is no faith in the Saudis, because once they lied, they lost confidence. In general, the Gulf monarchies are false and putrid, because you could agree on the same pipeline, but they preferred to invest in the war. It is unlikely that anyone seriously believes that Moscow will make such a deal. If you want a weapon - buy it, if you want Syria - go to ... the garden.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 8 August 2013 14: 54
      +7
      Quote: avdkrd
      it’s not even a matter of reputation, a simple calculation of economic losses in the case of gas supplies from Qatar to the geyropu ...

      And more than that. It's not about reputation and economics.
      Bet higher! At stake is the strategy and geopolitics of the state. At stake is a large integration project of Russia, and the very future of the country as a regional power.
      The amounts are such that even to discuss is ridiculous. The question is not measurable even in trillions.
      Hypothetically, if we surrender Syria, we voluntarily, in front of everyone, cut off our bolls and put an end to our future.
      We can, of course, lose. But you need to fight and stand your ground to the end.
  • eplewke
    eplewke 8 August 2013 12: 18
    +7
    Yeah ... Well this is how you crap in politics push shtob bribes ... ???
    Apparently, things really went uphill in Syria, since the Saudis had completely moved ... They were splashing money anywhere. Soon Putin will personally offer bribes ... winked
  • Tersky
    Tersky 8 August 2013 12: 48
    +7
    Quote: afire
    Either someone has survived from the mind, or duck No. 1 in 2013.

    The first is Reuters, the second is home delivery service from the first:
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 8 August 2013 12: 53
    +7
    Most likely this is a duck. It is hard to imagine that this is possible. However, in politics everything is possible. But personally, I do not believe.
  • Manager
    Manager 8 August 2013 13: 19
    +3
    Quote: afire
    Nah - GDP won't do that

    He may or may not)) But for those who wish, the sea will wake up.
    1. Basil123
      Basil123 8 August 2013 22: 05
      0
      Yeah, the liberals are right now
  • Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 8 August 2013 13: 26
    +2
    RUSSIANS ARE NOT FOR SALE !!!!!

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  • Corsair
    Corsair 8 August 2013 14: 44
    +2
    Quote: afire
    BUT even if it’s true, then this option is not suitable for us, since there is no faith in anyone, billions are candy wrappers, with this step there will be no way back and we will be left alone and our reputation will be at stake. Nah - GDP won't do that

    In short - friends and allies WE on "candy wrappers" DO NOT CHANGE ! Point !
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 8 August 2013 15: 07
    16
    Quote: afire
    Either someone has survived from the mind, or duck No. 1 in 2013.


    In fact, the Saudis, in defiance of Qatar, which refuses to finance the bearded in Syria, offered Putin to support the military in Egypt (the Muslim brothers are a completely Qatari project) who overthrew the Mursi and are interested in major military contracts, because the Americans refused to supply them with some types of weapons in connection with with the non-democratic overthrow of a legally elected government. 15 billion. This is just the money that the Saudis are willing to pay instead of the Egyptians for Russian weapons.
    After all
    One of the least commented aspects of the overthrow of the Mursi in Egypt is an act of disobedience to the reigning house of the Saudis, who supported the overthrow of the Muslim Brotherhood and the return of the military. Saudi Arabia's actions are unprecedented in their open disregard for the White House's stated support for the Muslim Brotherhood. The possible consequences of this gap are enormous.

    Naturally, the Saudis will be forced to seek support in Russia, as evidenced by the haste of the visit of the prince to Moscow.
    The Saudi monarchy began to fear that the secretive Muslim Brotherhood would one day rebel against its rule. The Saudis did not forgive George W. Bush and Washington for overthrowing Saddam Hussein's secular dictatorial regime in Iraq, which brought the Shiite majority to power there, just as they did not forgive the US decision to overthrow Mubarak's close Saudi ally in Egypt. America's submissive "vassal state" in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, rebelled, funding and supporting a military coup in Egypt.
    A few minutes after the Saudi and UAE-supported coup in Egypt, the Emir of Qatar took note of the consequences and announced his abdication in favor of his son Tamim. Hamad bin Yasem al-Thani, who shaped Qatar's foreign policy in support of the Muslim Brotherhood, was silenced and replaced by a military man who had previously served as Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs. The new Qatari leadership now uses words such as "reassessment", "recalibration" and "adjustments" when discussing its foreign policy. In short, they do not run the risk of causing their complete isolation among the Arab states of the Persian Gulf, dominated by Saudi Arabia.
    source link

    On July 17, the just-sworn Egyptian transitional government confirmed that it received $ 6 billion in subsidies, loans, and fuel from Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 8 August 2013 16: 16
      +2
      You’ll understand this Middle East, everyone is smiling at each other and everyone is ready to put a knife into each other’s back. Now I am sitting on the shores of the Red Sea and I can clearly see the Saudi coast through the Tirana Strait. Much is not clear here. For example, in our hotel there are a lot of Jews from Israel, and there are military operations near in the center and in the north of Sinai.
      1. Che
        Che 8 August 2013 18: 19
        0
        What can the Jews in Egypt do, they themselves have a beautiful coast. And here is the Egyptian dust. I do not understand.
  • Buran
    Buran 8 August 2013 16: 49
    +4
    I also think that a duck. Firstly, ours aren’t so much and ..di..not to sell weapons to terrorists, it’s no secret that both in Afghanistan and in Chechnya
    Saudi ears stuck out, already swaying in the wind. Secondly, Russia in tandem with Syria is in tandem with China, and this is a more important and adequate partner, which will be more expensive to throw. The third flutter of the client means that the Arab bandits have some kind of hidden problems that we will soon find out about.
    1. Just Vasilich
      Just Vasilich 8 August 2013 17: 30
      +1
      An obvious duck, timed to coincide with Putin's June statement that Russia's GDP growth in 2013 will not exceed 2,4%, which is not enough to fulfill the main budget programs.

      Here is an interesting link on the topic of GDP growth-decline:
      http://rusrand.ru/tv/moment/o-proshedshem-soveschanii-putina-po-ekonomicheskim-v
      oprosam-razvitija-rossii
  • tomas.09
    tomas.09 8 August 2013 18: 12
    +3
    I just heard on the news channel 1 that the director of the CIA said that the overthrow of Assad is a threat to US national security, so the opposition’s weapons can be used against the US !!!!
    I'm shocked !!!
  • orkibotu
    orkibotu 8 August 2013 18: 51
    0
    yes Vova them with their demonic money for .... hu ...... th I sent I'm sure
  • GHG
    GHG 8 August 2013 21: 29
    0
    I’ll answer simply and a little pathetic FRIENDS DO NOT SELL and NOTE I DO NOT RENT. A friend is such a thing ... I don’t even explain who they have that values. In general, the word is constantly exposed to some doubts about our rapidly changing informational age. But for the real ones friends without quotes is not a sin. drinks
  • Luna
    Luna 9 August 2013 00: 13
    +7
    And other sources say about the same, but in a different interpretation repeat

    According to AN, a Russian military-diplomatic source, "the King of Saudi Arabia Abdullah personally asked for a meeting between the prince and the president, so all ceremonial conventions were curtailed."

    At a meeting that was held behind closed doors, the issue of curtailing Saudi aid to militants in Syria was raised. “After the success of the Syrian government forces in Homs and Aleppo, the Saudis decided to quit the game into which Washington got them involved. But getting out “without losing face”, while playing the Egyptian card to annoy Qatar, ”the source said.
    Riyadh asked Putin to support the Egyptian military, who overthrew the henchman of Qatar, the former president of the Muslim Brotherhood Mursi. It is expected that in the very near future Putin will make a blitz visit to Cairo in order to overshadow his presence with the conclusion of arms deals between our countries. But since there is virtually nothing to pay for impoverished Egypt, the Saudis will finance the deal. In principle, support for the secular, albeit military, Egyptian regime, as opposed to radical Islamists, is beneficial to Moscow.

    In Doha and Israel, after the meeting of Putin and the Gang bin Sultan, they gritted their teeth.

    According to unofficial data, bin Sultan finally confirmed that the United States had previously handed over to Israel some top secret details of the Russian S-300 guidance system. It was these who were delivered to Syria under intergovernmental agreements. Possession of this secret knowledge could allow Israel to strike with impunity an air strike on Syrian air defense points. Now this is out of the question, as Russia will have time to take proactive measures.


    http://argumenti.ru/politics/n400/274156

    A few days ago there really was infa that Putin unscheduled got into Egypt. Apparently, therefore, the Saudis left Moscow in high spirits, as some sources write. wink
    1. poquello
      poquello 9 August 2013 00: 30
      +1
      + much more real than crap about sunflower seeds.
      I assumed that because of a couple of mines at El-Watah, but yours is more logical.
    2. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 9 August 2013 06: 13
      +1
      Ai da Vova, ai da Son of a Bitch ... Like a meat grinder, grind anyone.
    3. xan
      xan 9 August 2013 09: 39
      +1
      koment Luna looks like the truth, at least explains the reason for the visit of a serious Saudi
      and in Syria a clear duck, the answer is already clear
  • w.ebdo.g
    w.ebdo.g 9 August 2013 11: 21
    0
    GOOD NEWS...
    Under the Military Industrial Commission, a special headquarters will be created to monitor the legality of the actions of officials in the execution of the state defense order. This was announced by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin. According to him, the headquarters will work in parallel with the Prosecutor General’s Office, which controls the actions of officials. The Deputy Prime Minister said that the structure will include the heads of Rosoboronzakaz, representatives of the Federal Antimonopoly Service, Federal Reserve, Ministry of Finance, Ministry of Economic Development and Rostekhnadzor.



    Rogozin explained that the headquarters "will sort out each specific enterprise that sends counterfeits." “I believe that this is a criminal line. You should be imprisoned for this without talking!” “Corruption and similar crimes in the sphere of defense orders are actually treason to the Motherland,” the Deputy Prime Minister emphasized.
  • klimpopov
    klimpopov 8 August 2013 11: 51
    15
    This is the number! The East itself is trying to bribe us. World turned upside down! (unless of course true)
    In general, this is a pathetic attempt to try to influence the situation. For us, this is suicide in exchange for green papers.
    That is, it is like:
    - sing!
    - BUT
    - Shoot yourself in the head and I'll give you 1 000 000 dollars

    “The efforts of the Saudis indicate that Assad is successfully defeating enemies in Syria. That is why the Gulf states, along with their Western patrons, are seizing on any microscopic chances, trying to turn back the clock - in those days when it seemed that the Assad“ regime ”did not last long. But time does not turn. Assad will win, Russia will not give the go-ahead for the invasion of Syria, and the Islamist interventionists will be expelled from there. "

    I completely agree!

    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 8 August 2013 12: 35
      +8
      Quote: klimpopov
      The East itself is trying to bribe us

      To bribe? For pennies? If Putin’s cash was clean only in his hands, then he might have thought about 20 seconds, and then some 15 billion for modern weapons and even enemies with the military-industrial complex fully working for years.
      Quote: klimpopov
      This is the number!

      This is humor from the Saudis, I appreciated - laughing
      1. tungus
        tungus 8 August 2013 12: 58
        18
        Quote: Ivan.
        This is the humor from the Saudis, I appreciated


        Here, most likely, it is not a matter of humor. Prince Bandar bin Sultan came and offered something. I doubt that he offered money for some kind of political decision in Moscow. For such a rude and primitive trick, they could have let him down the stairs. It is simply not accepted to do so. And the speculations of "unnamed sources" voiced in the article are most likely a smoke screen.
        It was probably something else. If we did not surrender Syria under the pressure of America and Europe, it is difficult to imagine that we will behave on the scumbag of the Saudis. And the Saudis understand this, not fools.
        Speech at the talks could go about Qatar. Recently, the confrontation between Saudi Arabia and Qatar is only escalating. The final example is Egypt. Mursi supports Qatar, and the Saudi military. And they do not just support, but allocate money. There is a conflict of interest. And perhaps, during the negotiations with Putin, they were talking about Syria and Qatar. The Saudis could offer a bargain - they are emerging from the Syrian conflict, and Russia is increasing pressure on Qatar. Perhaps there were some specific suggestions for tactical moves. But this was definitely not an offer to surrender Syria for the loot.
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 8 August 2013 13: 18
          +5
          Quote: tungus
          Recently, the confrontation between Saudi Arabia and Qatar is only escalating.

          Good "news", I hope Russia has taken part in its actualization and generally begins to control the situation.
          1. Aljavad
            Aljavad 9 August 2013 02: 50
            0
            The fleet was not in vain driven to the Levant! And Cyprus was not allowed to die for good reason!
    2. 11 black
      11 black 8 August 2013 12: 41
      +5
      Quote: klimpopov
      “The efforts of the Saudis indicate that Assad is successfully defeating enemies in Syria. That is why the Gulf states, along with their Western patrons, are seizing on any microscopic chances, trying to turn back the clock - in those days when it seemed that the Assad“ regime ”did not last long. But time does not turn. Assad will win, Russia will not give the go-ahead for the invasion of Syria, and the Islamist interventionists will be expelled from there. "

      I completely agree!


      I would add that an attempt at bribery also means that the West has no other levers of influence on Russia !!! And this deal will never happen - I think at the G8 VVP summit much more favorable conditions for such a "deal" were offered - but no, he defended his position and kept the face of Russia, so even if they are not a duck, then they will not achieve anything by this .. ...
    3. Canep
      Canep 8 August 2013 13: 40
      +5
      The Persian Gulf will not become a threat to the position of Russia as one of the main suppliers of this raw material to Europe. ”

      They want to buy Gazprom for 15 lard, and even weapons to boot. How can they guarantee that Persian gas will not go to Europe in 10, 20, 30 years, Paper guarantees will not be scanned here.
      Why do they need Syria if they do not build a gas pipeline there?
      Anyway, it looks like an act of despair. They can't do anything else.
      For a good amount you need to increase 100 times, and not in dollars, but in gold, and without any weapons. Rollback, so to speak, by 1.5 trillion dollars in gold would not be a bad help for Russia on a rainy day. But the Saudis do not have 30000 tons of gold.
    4. Buran
      Buran 8 August 2013 16: 58
      0
      Already this happened, Griboedov, remember, there they got off with a pebble.
  • vitek1233
    vitek1233 8 August 2013 11: 53
    +7
    not everything is measured in money, I hope Russia will prove it
    1. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 8 August 2013 12: 28
      +2
      hi
      Information bomb: Saudi Arabia offered Russia 15 billion for Syria

      Yeah, the bomb ... crap, I tell you, colleagues, the bomb ...

      Provocation of clean water.
      At the same time, PROVOCATION is rude and primitive.
      Russia’s shameless PROVOCATION - on political prostitution.
      Shameless PROVOCATION of Russia - to a banal bribe.
      Uncle Goebbels would certainly be upset and spanked the careless students in the pope.

      Looks like things are going well with Comrade Assad since the Indians and their voluntary assistants openly “tear down the roof”!

      Seen enough, you see, the Saudi prince of the Indosovskiy fighters and thrillers about Russia, got excited and came to Belokamennaya to gawk and with the "tsar-father", about which they just did not say, personally vouch for.

      It will be interesting to hear the comments of Russian officials ...

  • kosmos44
    kosmos44 8 August 2013 11: 54
    +5
    For cut paper to sell the last ally in the region ?! We (the people) do not sell friends. Let her get a hold of her!
    1. Double major
      Double major 8 August 2013 12: 45
      +5
      Absolutely agree. The insanity of the Saudis grows stronger. Earlier, I remember, Zadornov had about the United States ... Apparently, the thing was contagious - they picked it up from the bosses ... If the GDP had decided on such a deal, not only BV Russia would have lost, but also the GDP itself, a sensitive part of the electorate in the country.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 8 August 2013 11: 54
    +9
    Thanks Oleg!
    Assad will win, Russia will not give the green light to the invasion of Syria, and the Islamist interventionists will be expelled from there.
    All true.
  • Molotov
    Molotov 8 August 2013 11: 55
    +9
    Our Syria will not be left so simply)) And they will buy weapons anyway))) it’s the best in the world)
  • Arabist
    Arabist 8 August 2013 11: 56
    +5
    Trying to buy cheap. And do not hope.
  • KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 8 August 2013 11: 56
    +3
    Syria is also able to bring billions. To do this, it is not necessary to sell ARMS to Arabia ...
    1. Double major
      Double major 8 August 2013 12: 49
      +5
      Yes, where does the billions - we do not sell friends!
  • Gato
    Gato 8 August 2013 11: 57
    +8
    In any case, Russia's refusal of the transaction and the wide PR of this fact are an additional plus for Russia. Well, like, the Gorbachev-Yeltsin practice of selling allies is over.
    Although ... you could have Saud and throw, history would not have condemned us.
  • Unknown
    Unknown 8 August 2013 11: 58
    +3
    Ndaa ... Arabs completely out of their minds survived. negative
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 8 August 2013 12: 43
      +5
      Quote: Unknown
      Ndaa ... Arabs completely out of their minds survived. negative

      They honestly tried to get used to it, well, failed laughing ... Recently there was an article in Grozny during the second war when they pressed the bandyukov, they immediately seized on the negotiations and began to ask them to sell weapons, well, a direct copy of today's "offer".
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 8 August 2013 19: 27
      +2
      Quote: Unknown
      Ndaa ... Arabs completely out of their minds survived.
      You're not right. You cannot survive from what has never happened.negative
  • Nikitin
    Nikitin 8 August 2013 11: 59
    +7
    And why didn’t they immediately offer to buy up all our strategic nuclear forces? Print and buy green paper!
    30 silver coins are already 15 billion. Inflation, however.
  • andrey777
    andrey777 8 August 2013 12: 00
    +5
    All this looks like 30 pieces of silver. I think Putin will not do it.
    1. alone
      alone 8 August 2013 17: 29
      +5
      a bear-labeled would go. and probably even for a smaller amount
      1. tomas.09
        tomas.09 8 August 2013 18: 50
        +4
        Tagged about 30 extra lives in the world, a dog !!!
      2. Aljavad
        Aljavad 9 August 2013 02: 55
        0
        And they would throw it again :(
  • Zheka Varangian
    Zheka Varangian 8 August 2013 12: 03
    +5
    Russian in the war do not abandon their !!!!
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  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 8 August 2013 12: 04
    +7
    Grated kalach does not lend itself to children's tricks, but this is once again an occasion to laugh at the West and the Saudis ...
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 August 2013 12: 05
    +7
    After the victory of Syria, these unfinished scum with red backs will after all run to those who financed them. And the Syrians will not forgive the Saudis for having done their bloody money in their homeland.
  • Xroft
    Xroft 8 August 2013 12: 05
    11
    Assad has already stated that in case of victory, Russian companies will receive contracts for oil and gas production. And this is much more money in the long term for strengthening in the region.
    1. mamba
      mamba 8 August 2013 12: 51
      +1
      Quote: Xroft
      Assad has already stated that in case of victory, Russian companies will receive contracts for oil and gas production. And this is much more money in the long term for strengthening in the region.

      I think that Sechin and Miller will dispel the doubts of GDP, even if they arise.
    2. Double major
      Double major 8 August 2013 12: 53
      +3
      Why are you, gentlemen, measuring everything with money?
    3. Russ69
      Russ69 8 August 2013 17: 29
      +3
      Quote: Xroft
      Assad has already stated that in case of victory, Russian companies will receive contracts for oil and gas production. And this is much more money in the long term for strengthening in the region.

      Moreover, the army will have to be restored, and it will not work too badly.
      1. alone
        alone 8 August 2013 17: 38
        +1
        according to conservative estimates, it will take at least 30 years and 1 trillion green paper to return to Syria in the position that was before the events began.
  • Day 11
    Day 11 8 August 2013 12: 06
    +3
    Yes, this is a real bomb! But I think that the GDP will not go for it! We are watching the news. If the Syrian theme fades away, then the amba. Not, it won’t do it
  • SPIRITofFREEDOM
    SPIRITofFREEDOM 8 August 2013 12: 07
    +1
    15 billion for a powerful geopolitical concession and loss of gas monopoly

    Crazy duck!
  • volkodav
    volkodav 8 August 2013 12: 08
    -4
    duck hi bullshit is complete, if it were 15 trillion, and a change of position in the UN, after full payment of contracts, one would still think wassat
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 8 August 2013 17: 49
      0
      Quote: volkodav
      if 15 trillion

      Agree and after receiving the tranche, prepayment of 100 percent, you can pretend that they forgot what they agreed.
      bully
  • mogus
    mogus 8 August 2013 12: 08
    +7
    Lenta.ru - she is so
  • serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 8 August 2013 12: 10
    +3
    Would you at least read Reuters' own message ... A small note that reads the following: "according to reports of politicians and rebels close to Saudi Arabia" .... "Officials of the SA and RF are not available for comment." And then there are the same empty comments from unknown persons on the topic: "What will Russia do?" Yes, remember the failed anti-Iranian contract. All. Maybe wait for something more responsible?
    If it is a bomb, it is exclusively propaganda.
  • kotvov
    kotvov 8 August 2013 12: 10
    +3
    if this is true, it turns out everything is being measured for money. Well, I’m sorry the female dogs.
  • Irtysh
    Irtysh 8 August 2013 12: 11
    +5
    Something cheap Syria appreciated. Or are they cunning? For green candy wrappers, they want to get real weapons, put Russia in an uncomfortable position and, in the future, throw Russia out of the Middle East ...

    Some kind of cheap scam. Or maybe the Saudis are running out of money?
    1. mizantropi
      mizantropi 8 August 2013 15: 05
      +3
      They’ve got a lot of money. Judging by everything, there are big problems in terms of a lack of brains. Trying to breed GDP as a sucker ... Naivety on the verge of cretinism ...
  • George
    George 8 August 2013 12: 17
    +5
    Russia remains a loyal ally of Assad, the Israeli newspaper notes.

    ... and will remain it.
  • FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 8 August 2013 12: 18
    +3
    These must not be contacted. stop throw like two fingers on the asphalt.
  • a52333
    a52333 8 August 2013 12: 19
    +6
    We still need to "democratize" Saudi Arabia and Qatar. So, you don't have to sell anything yet.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 8 August 2013 13: 05
      +2
      Quote: a52333
      We still need to "democratize" Saudi Arabia and Qatar. So, you don't have to sell anything yet.

      Well, why nothing: show the "democratizer" and threaten that we will come in peace, you see, they will buy toilet paper with toilets.
  • sergey72
    sergey72 8 August 2013 12: 20
    +2
    Somewhere infa passed that this batch of weapons purchased with Saudi money was intended for the Egyptian army ... And that this is happening within the framework of the Saudi-Qatar confrontation ... It was also said that an unnamed "Russian adviser" visited Egypt and had a meeting and negotiations with the Egyptian generals ... Duck? ...
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 8 August 2013 13: 25
      +2
      Quote: sergey72
      a batch of weapons bought with Saudi money is intended for the army of Egypt ...

      According to the plan of "chaos", all the countries of the BV, together with their armies and weapons, should become the fuel of the "Great Caliphate plan of Barbarossa." The first, of course, was to huddle Syria, but, as they say, there are options)). Egypt, and Turkey, and all at the same time, will do. Such a proposal by the Saudis looks like an attempt to "cover up" Russia in the coming turmoil, simultaneously equipping the jihadists with modern weapons)). It looks like it didn't grow together)).
  • user
    user 8 August 2013 12: 22
    +2
    Pacific Fleet of Russia: the fifth most powerful in the Pacific
    http://topwar.ru/31675-tof-rossii-pyatyy-po-sile-na-tihom-okeane.html
    1. Ljubomir
      Ljubomir 8 August 2013 12: 43
      0
      Quote: user
      Pacific Fleet of Russia: the fifth most powerful in the Pacific
      http://topwar.ru/31675-tof-rossii-pyatyy-po-sile-na-tihom-okeane.html

      Attention, error detected
      Visitors do not have access to view articles from this section. ChZH?
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  • pinecone
    pinecone 8 August 2013 12: 23
    +1
    According to Khaled Yakub Oweis and Amena Bakr (Reuters; source of translation - Inopressa), sources in the Middle East and Western diplomats said ...

    Well, okay there are "sources", they are always anonymous, but if "Western diplomats", then whose diplomats are they, to whom and where they "stated" all this.
    Another anti-Kremlin rally, they’ll lie at first, and then they will write that they say that they did not agree on the price.
  • zvereok
    zvereok 8 August 2013 12: 25
    +2
    Stuart Wiener (The Times of Israel”) Notes that the“ Lebanese source ”told Reuters, allegedly at the end of the four-hour meeting,“ the Saudis rejoiced, rejoicing at the results. ”


    These already killed Assad, Iranian bodyguards and chemical weapons covered the floor of Syria.
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. 8 August 2013 12: 26
    +3
    Counter proposal - Russia will supply weapons to the Saudis in the amount of no more than 15 billion, provided that the weapons are not used by Syria and will not leave the country at all under the threat of a 10-fold fine, and the Saudis will abandon their aggressive policies and stop supporting terrorists !!! And they will provide the international commission, chaired by Russia, with free monitoring of their obligations.
    1. mamba
      mamba 8 August 2013 13: 08
      +2
      Quote: Ivan.
      Counter proposal - Russia will supply weapons to the Saudis in the amount of not more than 15 billion, provided ...

      No, they can’t go for it in any way: they need to consult with the boss, with Barak Husseinovich. recourse
  • stroporez
    stroporez 8 August 2013 12: 35
    +3
    ......... if this is true, then something else bothers me more ----- the reason why they generally considered it possible
  • Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 8 August 2013 12: 36
    +4
    Information bomb: Saudi Arabia offered Russia 15 billion for Syria

    I want to believe: That Putin is not Gorbachev!
    hi
    1. rauffg
      rauffg 8 August 2013 13: 01
      +4
      The ex-president of the USSR denied rumors of his own death!
      “I am alive and well. As they say, stop trampling Gorbachev, ”he commented on this information.

      Mikhail Sergeyevich is in a good mood and noted that rumors of his death arise periodically, but at the same time he always feels good. As it became known to "Rossiyskaya Gazeta", the pressure from the ex-president of the USSR is 150 to 80, sugar is normal. Cab sigh !!! wassat
    2. karimbaev
      karimbaev 8 August 2013 13: 28
      +5
      And who passed Libya?
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 8 August 2013 15: 45
        +5
        Quote: karimbaev
        And who passed Libya?

        Russia had no obligations to Libya.
  • Kamchatka
    Kamchatka 8 August 2013 12: 44
    +3
    Putin is not the bird to fly so frankly.
  • Makarov
    Makarov 8 August 2013 12: 44
    0
    There is nothing to even cover bribes of such a level ... shame ....
  • knn54
    knn54 8 August 2013 12: 45
    +3
    Truly - "if there is no sensation, it must be invented."
    And with the emir of slaves, Bandar Bush, the organizer and inspirer of bloody scripts in Syria, NO dialogue.
    PS And mb Snowden, something SUCH knows about the Saudis, that the rats ran in search of escape from shame?
  • Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 8 August 2013 12: 47
    +1
    Why shouldn't the Saudis offer for Syria ... "Saudi Aramco".
    The "exchange" option would be funny.
  • KBPC50
    KBPC50 8 August 2013 12: 48
    +2
    You cannot trust the Saudis! The main book of this clan says "deceit ..." hereinafter. Only anger and impudent calculation on the kindness and understanding of the peoples of RUSSIA is such a dastardly move calculated. And the Americans will give them toilet wrappers.
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 8 August 2013 13: 08
      -1
      Ensign
      KBPC50 RU Today, 12: 48 New
      You cannot trust the Saudis! The main book of this clan says "deceit ..." hereinafter.

      What kind of book, more details, please, is there a link?
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 8 August 2013 13: 39
        +3
        Quote: shpuntik
        Ensign
        KBPC50 RU Today, 12: 48 New
        You cannot trust the Saudis! The main book of this clan says "deceit ..." hereinafter.

        What kind of book, more details, please, is there a link?


        It is believed that in the Qur'an there are calls to deceive, humiliate and kill the infidel. I am not a specialist, and this is a matter of interpretation. But the origin of Saudi Arabia from gangs robbing neighboring tribes, and it is their interpretation of the Koran, as well as the radical branch of Islam that is professed in the SA (moreover, with the ideology of this branch being corrupted in favor of statehood), it allows me to say that this book is the Koran.
        1. shpuntik
          shpuntik 8 August 2013 14: 09
          0
          Major General
          zvereok RU Today, 13:39 ↑ New
          It is believed that in the Qur'an there are calls to deceive, humiliate and kill the infidel.

          Thanks for the answer. I guessed what book it was about, but I thought: maybe a person knows specific places. I want to understand what the essence of the problem is, why such a different understanding of the same thing. If because of this blood did not pour, then okay, and so something is wrong here. By the way, this is a video where our (normal) Muslims speak in Salafi from Mecca.
      2. Irtysh
        Irtysh 8 August 2013 13: 55
        +1
        This book is called Torah;) They are all brothers, they are anointed with one world.
        1. Aljavad
          Aljavad 9 August 2013 03: 09
          0
          Torah - the first books of the Bible (Pentateuch of Moses). They are holy to Christians.
  • serioga
    serioga 8 August 2013 13: 00
    +3
    The Saudis have long been preparing to enter into an open war with Syria with the support of mattresses and geyrops to achieve their power in the Middle East, and here they have two goals: to weaken Russia's influence and destabilize strong Arab countries because take off no longer need to be agreed.
    But it is not possible to fight with Syria and Iran with the supply of the latest weapons to their countries with their Abrams and other equipment of the Saudi armed with it, so they are trying to force Russia to merge Syria (they are afraid of the supply of new weapons to Syria and Iran, because money for wars spent a lot here and thought about buying Russian weapons in order to somehow survive in the future, because Syria and Iran will not forgive them for this) Glory to the Syrian people and army for the spirit and heroism in the warrior for their independence
  • anfreezer
    anfreezer 8 August 2013 13: 00
    +4
    Prince Bandar bin Sultan seems to think of himself as Vito Corleone's "godfather""I will make him an offer he cannot refuse."-With Putin, the option will not work, this "film studio" (Russia) is too tough for the prince ... So let another phrase from "The Godfather" characterize our position better -"It is best when a friend underestimates your strength, and an enemy overestimates your weaknesses.", meaning by weakness the understandable craving of our defense industry to conclude multibillion-dollar contracts ..
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 8 August 2013 13: 01
    +3
    If such a deal is allowed hypothetically, one must understand that it is not beneficial for Putin. His rating in Russia, if he "surrenders" Syria, will plummet, let alone international authority. In my opinion, this is a provocation, an information duck - nothing more.
  • Essenger
    Essenger 8 August 2013 13: 02
    +7
    I don’t even want to discuss such an article
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 8 August 2013 13: 05
    +4
    After they sent mujahideen to us in Chechnya, one cannot deal with them. They are asked for an X-55 with a nuclear warhead. So cheaper.
  • hramckov2012
    hramckov2012 8 August 2013 13: 08
    -10 qualifying.
    we must agree with the Saudis, get money (they are not superfluous) and then persuade China to supply our own weapons to Syria. you will get a good three-move and it will no longer be a slap in the face to Obama, but a normal "kidok"
  • zvereok
    zvereok 8 August 2013 13: 23
    +4
    Reminded a bike about Bernard Shaw and the Queen of England.

    Well supposedly - any woman can be bought! Said Bernard. Yes ?, and how much do you think I'm worth? Show - 10 thousand. Queen - So little? Show - You see, you are already bargaining.


    And so, in general, FIG knows what Putin was talking about with this Berber, most likely about a conference in Geneva.
  • karimbaev
    karimbaev 8 August 2013 13: 27
    -16 qualifying.
    They will surrender Syria with all the giblets, like Libya, for the money. but in the future they will lose the arms market. everything is as always, money does everything.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 8 August 2013 14: 45
      +4
      Libya, represented by Kadafi, crawled on 2's chairs for a long time, without having made an unambiguous choice with whom to be. The West betrayed her, we did not intervene. Of course, it’s a pity Gaddafi, he did a lot for his people, but he was mistaken.
      Syria. We gave her the most to sort out their problems without influence from outside. How it all ends is not yet clear. Yesterday terrorists captured Meng. They stayed at the air base for more than half a year. And nifiga is not clear why the army did not lift the siege.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 8 August 2013 14: 48
        0
        Not enough resources (IMHO)
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 8 August 2013 14: 57
          0
          Then the question is, why did the terrorists have enough resources to take up defense, where armored vehicles were not measured, and the army did not have enough resources to unlock (at least temporarily), and evacuate the defenders? The capture of Meng (namely, capture, and not a controlled retreat), will greatly affect morale.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 8 August 2013 15: 06
            +1
            Most likely there was a banal betrayal
            1. alone
              alone 8 August 2013 16: 02
              +4
              with banal betrayal, they hold the defense for 8 months. The resources of the defenders are not without dimensions in such intense battles.
            2. zvereok
              zvereok 8 August 2013 18: 23
              0
              What is the betrayal, can you explain?
          2. alone
            alone 8 August 2013 16: 00
            +4
            You know, the airport was kept in blockade for 8 months. All the equipment acted as fixed firing points. Ammunition was parachuted from the air, I saw a video of how parachutes fell into the location of the militants. As for morale, the Germans were 41st at the foot of Moscow, but this not prevented Soviet soldiers from being in Berlin
      2. alone
        alone 8 August 2013 15: 56
        +4
        the main forces of the Syrian army were in Aleppo. as you can see the survivors broke through in the direction of the Kurds. and the militants said that after the seizure of the airport north of Aleppo, up to the border, there were no government forces left. if they did not remove, then there were not enough forces in this direction. within 5 months, the command of the militants was replaced there by militants from the Caucasian brigade, who themselves admitted that they had lost 300 militants there. This brigade is considered by them as an "elite"
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 8 August 2013 18: 27
          0
          By the way, maybe there was a breakthrough towards the Kurds when it is clear that the Kurds are not on the side of the terrorists?
          1. alone
            alone 8 August 2013 19: 05
            0
            you know, the Kurds are there against everyone. They both do not want Assad either, and they are not friends with bearded men. but the defenders did this from the hopelessness of the situation. Surrendering to them means immediate execution, moreover in a breathtaking manner.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 8 August 2013 19: 11
              0
              Well, for some reason --- as far as I know, Kurds have always been loyal to the Asad dynasty. Besides, you should know that they are also very heterogeneous (in particular in religion)
              1. alone
                alone 8 August 2013 21: 22
                0
                you probably forget that the Kurds are going to create a Kurdistan state on the territory of 4 states, (Syria is also on this list) so it is extremely controversial to say that the Kurds are loyal to the Syrian authorities. And do not forget that as soon as the militants began to attack government troops in northern Syria, Assad immediately removed from the Kurdish provinces his army. Do you think Assad did not know what he was doing? Assad knew that the Kurds would find the moment and stab him in the back. Why did the Kurds not fight the militants before? They only did what they created alternative government bodies in their provinces, and this is already a direct sign of separatism. Yes, and now they are fighting the militants only because of the fact that they intended to include the Kurdish provinces in their "caliphate." As apparently the enemy of my enemy is not yet my friend. By the way, so that the militants would not touch them, a Kurdish brigade fought as part of the SSA. so the Kurds are just an interested country, they would like to eat a fish ... well, you yourself understood the rest)))). and by religion, almost all Kurds in Syria are Sunni Muslims
      3. Semurg
        Semurg 8 August 2013 20: 20
        0
        Gaddafi had nowhere to go China was sitting "my house on the edge" The USSR disappeared. Russia is weak to Yugoslavia and Iraq surrendered here Muammar and tried to sit on a chair and a half and did not sit still.
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 8 August 2013 13: 34
    +2
    That never in his life Putin will not go on to give up the interests of the whole country in the whole region, to forget all the suffering of Syria (I personally will never forget the inscriptions on their fences) for a lousy 15 billion dollars. This is in nat. a penny. Even if you consider the contract for the supply of weapons. By the way, it seems to me that they are already interested in this and playing such a card for them is an ideal option: to strengthen the defense with one of the best weapons in the world, diversify the arms market and bury Assad.
    In the course of the petrodollars, the Saudis clouded their minds if they decided that they would achieve their goal. In general, it looks like an insult.
    1. KBPC50
      KBPC50 8 August 2013 14: 08
      0
      Absolutely agree! You can’t even buy good beer for a month for this money, but they only offer something ..., One word.
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 8 August 2013 13: 36
    +4
    News from the region: "They dream about it", "It would be great" or "Delirium". In any case, this message is provocative in nature and is rooted in the information war against both Russia and Syria.
    1. polly
      polly 8 August 2013 17: 54
      +1
      I completely agree with IRBIS. The message is empty and does not deserve attention, only the increasing intensity of this information war is surprising. Apparently, the tail of those to whom it was pressed in Syria really begins to bleed ...
  • smsk
    smsk 8 August 2013 13: 38
    +3
    Guys, in my opinion it’s just not respect for Russia, to offer money so that Russia abandons its words and interests. Yes, and cheaply estimated, just 15 billion. If there really was such a proposal, it would not be bad to answer officials so that the Saudis go through the woods, they will raise Russia's authority even more.
    The Saudis and the Indians themselves drove themselves into a corner in Syria, they will no longer be able to solve the issue by military means, they offer money.