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South Africa and Rhodesia vs min. Part I

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The main weapons the war in Southern Rhodesia can be recognized not automatic or machine guns of various models, but mines. Until now, a large number of unexploded ordnance remains in Zimbabwe, capable of recalling war at any time. All parties to the conflict actively mined the roads and the surrounding area. As a result, from 1972 to 1980, 2400 vehicles of various types of vehicles were destroyed with mines. 632 people were killed by explosions and more than 4400 were injured. Naturally, such high efficiency of mines and improvised explosive devices only stimulated their further use. But at the same time with the mining of roads, on which the enemy can pass, one of the parties to the conflict had to attend to the protection of their soldiers from enemy ammunition.


The first anti-mine weapons were homemade “kits” that appeared in South Africa and Rhodesia at the very beginning of the seventies. Under the bottom of any suitable car hung a metal sheet, designed for partial absorption and discharge in the direction of the energy of the explosion. On the floor of the passenger compartment or on the bottom of the truck body, various containers filled with sand or water, also designed to take over some of the impact, were placed. Finally, in the event of overturning, on the roof of the transport were fixed the usual tires, which served as improvised shock absorbers. Despite its pronounced handicraft character, such protection adequately coped with the tasks assigned to it. According to some data, after the start of mass use of such “sets of additional protection”, the loss of people during mine explosions decreased by about three times - from 22% to 7-7,5%.

With all its advantages over unequipped equipment, such improvised armored vehicles, protected from mines, had one major drawback. When reworking the base car, it was necessary to take into account the different features of its design, which made it difficult to massively refine the machines. In addition, the economic blockade Rhodesia and South Africa could not count on the help of third countries. In this regard, already at the very beginning of the seventies, the first projects of armored cars began to appear, which preserved and improved the protective capabilities of previous machines, but at the same time were suitable for mass construction in the prevailing conditions. Consider some light armored vehicles created by the designers of South Africa and Rhodesia during the war.

Hyena

The first combat vehicle that can be considered a full-fledged representative of the class of vehicles (Mine protected vehicle - “Mine protected vehicle”) or MRAP (Mine resistant and ambush protected - “Mine resistant vehicle and protected from ambush attacks”) became a sample called Hyena ("Hyena"). Developed in South Africa, the car was based on the chassis of one of the Land Rover jeeps. Thanks to this, the lightly armored “Hyena” with the 4 × X4 wheel formula could accelerate on a good road to 127 kilometers per hour and overcome off-road conditions. Production armored Hyena engaged in the industry of the Republic of South Africa. Before 1974, about 230 of such machines were assembled; about a hundred and fifty were sent to Southern Rhodesia, where they served until the end of the war.

South Africa and Rhodesia vs min. Part I
First full MPV class armored car - Hyena


The first full-fledged South African armored car capable of withstanding a mine explosion, had several characteristic features, preserved in one form or another on a later technique of South Africa and Rhodesia, and then passed to modern MRAP machines. So, Hyena patrol armored car received a characteristic narrow body with sides diverging to the top. The lower part of the hull fits perfectly into the dimensions of the chassis frame, because of which the seats for the transported soldiers had to be placed at the sides, sideways in the direction of travel. However, this inconvenience was compensated by security: when a mine was blown up under the wheel, most of the energy of the explosion and the fragments passed along the side, almost without damaging it. The driver and the landing were placed in the same volume, since the hull was not divided into several compartments. An interesting fact is that the armor "Hyenas" did not have a roof. Instead, a fabric awning was stretched on a metal frame or a light metal roof was installed. For self-defense, the shooters had to get up to their full height and fire from personal weapons through the gap between the awning / roof and the hull. Landing and leaving the car was carried out through the door in the feed sheet.

Wolf

Almost simultaneously with the Hyena armored car, another mine-protected machine called the Wolf appeared. A larger car was made on the base of the Unimog chassis and, as a result, had a greater load carrying capacity. The stock capacity used to create a new armored hull. The side panels of the “Wolf” hull converged downwards at a large angle in comparison with the “Hyena”, which led to an increase in resistance to explosions. In addition, perpendicular to the sides provided additional horizontal panels that diverted part of the explosion energy to the sides. On top of the troop compartment for eight people covered with a light metal roof. Like the Hyena armored car, Wolf did not have wheel arches, which allowed the shock wave of the mines, damaging the wheel and suspension, to go up without causing much harm to other units of the vehicle.


Armored Wolf


Unfortunately, the exact number of assembled armored vehicles "Wolf", as well as their exact characteristics, are unknown. Based on information about the base chassis, you can draw appropriate conclusions about the approximate characteristics of the car Wolf. They were probably at the level of a loaded Unimog truck. Cars "Wolf" actively used in the first half of the seventies, but their number is constantly reduced, because the repair after the explosion was too complicated and, moreover, not always possible.

Hippo

Further development of the ideas embodied in the project Wolf, became the armored car Hippo ("Hippo"). At this time, the original armored hull of characteristic shape was installed on an English Bedford truck chassis. The armored corps expanding to the upper part contained ten seats for fighters with weapons and two crew seats. "Hippo" was the first South African specialized armored car, equipped with full-fledged onboard armored glass. The car had rear doors for embarkation and disembarkation of the crew and landing force. On some Hippo armored cars mounted devices for installing a machine gun. In addition, the landing force could fire from personal weapons, removing a light canvas awning from the frame. The armored vehicle with a curb weight of about 9,5 tons had an 134-strong engine and could accelerate on the highway to 80-90 km / h.


Hippo


Construction of "Hippos" was conducted from 1974 to 1978 years. In total, about two hundred armored vehicles were actively used during the war in Southern Rhodesia, and then in other armed conflicts in southern Africa. The measures used to increase resistance to mine explosions used in the Hippo design, as before, had an ambiguous result. The loss of personnel was minimal, but the vehicles were often not recoverable. At best, the blown-up armored car could be used as a source of spare parts for repairing less damaged cars.

Leopard

Despite the loss of technology, South Africa and Rhodesia, in an effort to save the lives of soldiers, continued to operate their MPV armored vehicles. A common feature of all armored vehicles created in the first half of the seventies was the use of ready-made chassis. This feature of the technique prevented the full use of the potential of the available developments in the field of increasing the resistance of the transport to mine explosions. In 1974, the Rhodesian engineer E. Konshel, having lost a close relative when the machine was blown up, began to study MPV-class equipment and know-how applied to them. As a result of the research and the design that followed, a new armored car Leopard (“Leopard”) appeared.


"Leopard" in the museum


Like the previous armored cars, the Leopard was based on some units borrowed from the equipment available at that time. The basis for the armored car was a German minivan Volkswagen Kombi. The Conchel project also implied the use of several original innovations. First of all, the absence of the usual frame with the power plant, transmission, etc. units installed on it is striking. Her role on the “Leopard” was played by the carrying body with the original contours and the V-shaped bottom that had already become the standard for such equipment. In the front and rear parts of the body were attached chassis units, divided into two blocks. This arrangement has allowed to significantly increase the clearance of the machine, reducing the risk of damage to the body during an explosion. Both axles of the undercarriage were made in such a way as to collapse during an explosion, absorbing part of the energy of the shock wave. This idea also allowed to facilitate the repair of machines, including in the field. The car turned out quite easy - its dry weight did not exceed 1760 kg.


The same "Leopard", rear view


To improve the safety of the crew, E. Konshel took several interesting steps. Perhaps the most interesting of them is the safety arches surrounding the car body and not letting it fall over on its side or onto the roof with serious consequences for passengers. In addition, the driver and five soldiers were obliged to fasten to the seats when driving. The Leopard’s armored hull did not have a roof, which, firstly, simplified its design and, secondly, contributed to the rapid equalization of pressure inside and outside the hull in the first moments after the explosion. Finally, the engine with a light jacket, fuel tank and batteries were placed above the rear axle, outside the armored hull. The tank was mounted on controlled detachable mounts. With the help of these mechanisms, the driver after the explosion could have dumped the 40-liter (on earlier versions of the armored car, later the tank was increased one and a half times) the fuel tank and protected the car from fire.

Construction of armored vehicles "Leopard" on the basis of already existing German cars began in 1975 year. In four years, 725-750 of such MPV machines was assembled. During the last years of the war in Southern Rhodesia, only 67 Leopards were blown up by enemy mines. In this case, armored vehicles clearly demonstrated the need for Conchel's inventions. Thus, during the 67 explosions, only six people died, and a number of armored vehicles were subsequently restored and returned to service.

Rhino


Rhino


A peculiar attempt to combine the level of protection "Leopard" and the simplicity of the assembly of previous machines of the class MPV was the project Rhino ("Rhino"). Land Rovers jeeps were chosen as the basis for this armored car. They were installed lightweight body, at the same time resembling the corresponding units of machines Hyena and Leopard. At the same time, as at last, the case was raised to the highest possible height and equipped with tubular safety arcs. No sophisticated fixtures such as the fuel tank discharge system or the properly destructible elements of the Rhino undercarriage did not receive. Apparently, the authors of the project expected to provide the customer in the face of the police with not only a safe, but also an inexpensive armored car. According to some sources, several “Rhino” armored vehicles were sold to private individuals and used as personal vehicles.

Cougar

Another development of technical know-how, which appeared in the Leopard project, was the Cougar armored car (“Cougar” or “Puma”). In its basic features, this car resembled the previous one, but at the same time it had a number of noticeable differences. First of all, it is much larger. In connection with the use of units of a base machine (according to some data, it was a Unimog truck), the layout of the armored hull changed. In front of it, we have reserved the reserved volume for the engine and some transmission units. The fuel tank was still at the rear of the chassis. The hull shape with a V-shaped "mine bottom" has changed slightly, and thanks to the use of thicker and more durable armored panels, the safety bars were now only at the top.


MPV Cougar Base Edition


The first Cougar was built only in 1978-79, but despite this, it managed to become the basis for several modifications. Thus, in the Organ version, the armored car carried several remote-controlled smooth-bore guns designed to suppress an enemy trying to fire a car from an ambush. The Panther armored vehicle (“Panther”) received other own weapons, namely, a swiveling turret with a machine gun on the roof. Finally, based on the MPV Cougar, several completely unexpected cars were manufactured - these were railway armored cars. They differed from the base model in a different chassis intended for movement on rails.


Cougar, additionally armed with guns


Panther armored car with turret


Cougar version for railway patrols


Kudu

Another embodiment of the concept embodied in the Leopard armored car was the Kudu family of vehicles (Kudu is the common name for two types of antelopes). Again, the Land Rover model car 3S Long, available in Rhodesia and South Africa, became the basis for the armored vehicle. The new armored car received an armored engine cover with a characteristic elongated inclined hood and armored hull with recognizable outlines. It is noteworthy that in the project “Kudu” they applied an original technical solution, designed to increase the level of protection of the hull from small arms bullets. On its sides and aft, special structures were installed, consisting of overlaid metal panels. Such multi-layered armor damaged bullets and changed their trajectories, thereby reducing the risk of damage to the hull and crew.


Kudu with characteristic extra armoring


Since the Republic of South Africa or Rhodesia could not buy any equipment abroad, and there were several versions of Land Rovers in the countries, we had to create two versions of the Kudu project. Their main difference was in the wheelbase and the layout of some units. So, a short armored carriage carried fuel tanks on the sides, between the wheels. In the long-wheelbase, the only fuel tank was located in the same place as the Leopard and some other MPV class cars. On the basis of both versions of the armored car, they also assembled Ojay vehicles designed for patrolling the railways. If necessary, the standard car wheels were replaced by rail and the armored car could move along the rails.


"Railway" armored car Ojay


Crocodile

A characteristic feature of all South African and Rhodesian armored vehicles was a specific appearance, because of which they resembled some kind of creation by craftsmen, not professional engineers, even if limited by industry. Only in the second half of the seventies, Rhodesia and South Africa were able to get rid of this problem and create an armored car with an "exterior" that truly resembles similar equipment from leading world manufacturers. This project was named Crocodile ("Crocodile").


"Crocodiles" of the first parties


As a base for such armored vehicles, several models of five-ton trucks made in Japan were used. The cab, body and a number of other systems were dismantled from the chassis of Toyota, Isuzu and Nissan cars. In place of the cleaned units installed original armored hull with an open top. As before, a relatively light casing was mounted in front of the case with rather thick bronel sheets that covered the engine. Depending on the base chassis, one of two housing options was used: with a fully V-shaped bottom or with a flat bottom and inclined panels on the sides. On the frontal sheet of the main body there were two armored glass, and the left commander could, if necessary, be covered with a metal sheet. On the upper panels of the sides there were windows with bullet-proof glass that could be opened for firing from personal weapons.

The own armament of Crocodile armored cars consisted of several machine guns. Almost on all machines of this model, the FN MAG machine gun was installed above the commander’s workplace. Also, if necessary, machine guns or machine guns could be mounted in the embrasures on the sides. There was a version of the machine called the E-Type, designed to accompany the convoy. From the base model of the Crocodile, he was distinguished by the presence of a light turret (because of the shape it was called the “trash can”) with one or two Browning M1919 machine guns. For the safety of the machine gunner and the crew as a whole, three U-shaped safety arcs were installed on the upper part of the hull.


Crocodile armored vehicle in the armed forces of Zimbabwe


Crocodile armored cars successfully served in the troops of South Africa and Rhodesia until the very end of the war, and then were divided between several countries. So, around 35-40 "Crocodiles" are still serving in the army of Zimbabwe and in the foreseeable future, it seems, will remain in it. In addition, it is known that in the early nineties, during the fighting in Somalia, a number of former Rhodesian armored vehicles were used by US marines.

Past and present

This is not all armored vehicles created during the war in Southern Rhodesia. Due to the nature of the conflict, many enterprises and commercial structures tried to create their own versions of MPV class cars. Not all of them managed to bring their development to mass production and, moreover, to the construction of a large series. However, regardless of the number of units of equipment produced by a particular model, all or almost all such projects have significantly reduced the loss of personnel. At the cost of damage or destruction of armored vehicles by the end of the war, losses among their crews decreased, according to various data, to 1,5-2 percent.


Modern South African MRAP class armored vehicle - RG-31 Nyala


It should also be noted that the designers of South Africa, helping their troops and friendly Rhodesia, have gained tremendous experience in creating armored vehicles capable of protecting people not only from bullets, but also from mines or improvised explosive devices. A few years after the end of the conflict, this led to the finalization of the overall look of a new class of technology - MRAP. South African armored vehicle manufacturers from Land Systems OMC (now a division of BAE Systems) are still actively using old practices and creating new ideas, which allows them to be one of the world's leading manufacturers of armored vehicles that are resistant to mines and protected from ambushes.


On the materials of the sites:
http://rhodesians.ru/
http://shushpanzer-ru.livejournal.com/
http://armourbook.com/
http://casr.ca/
http://rhodesianforces.org/
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  1. xetai9977
    xetai9977 9 August 2013 08: 04
    19
    Well, it all starts small. South Africans switched from handicrafts to today's ultra-modern armored vehicles, which are currently among the best in the world.
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 9 August 2013 08: 18
      +6
      Goal for fiction is cunning. But the ideas of mine protection for vehicles are correct - inclined sides at the bottoms, deflecting fragments and the blast energy directed away from the car.
      1. unclevad
        unclevad 9 August 2013 11: 11
        +6
        If they were the first to experiment with such machines, then these ideas were born by them.
        1. 755962
          755962 9 August 2013 12: 37
          +6
          Follow the rules of the layout of the case ... and you will be happy ..



          http://www.military-informer.narod.ru/MRAP-text.html
          1. Hoist
            Hoist 12 August 2013 02: 47
            0
            In one article, image data was already criticized, and by the way, it is quite reasonable. It remains a mystery how in the last image the arrow, which should be directed almost perpendicular to the plane of the V-shaped body, deviated to the side.
  2. Turik
    Turik 9 August 2013 08: 05
    14
    Maybe functional, but ugly devices to stupid.

    Or better: Ugly but functional.
    1. alone
      alone 9 August 2013 08: 40
      10
      Well, as they say, they started to stuff their hands on freaks, but now I must say that they produce solid MPCs.
    2. Mister X
      Mister X 9 August 2013 15: 43
      +3
      Quote: Turik
      Ugly but functional.

      Civil war is not a beauty contest.
      From improvised means, cheaply and quickly - and not by next Christmas.
      And these armored freaks justified their purpose.
      1. washi
        washi 9 August 2013 16: 00
        +4
        There is a Civil War, there is a tribal war, and there is a World War, when the enemy is supplied and financed by the World Powers.
        All these cars are suitable for the first two types of wars.
        In the Caucasus, in Afghanistan (at one time), now in Syria, there is a third kind of war. Against airborne mines, Granotometov, more explosives, no cars will help.
        You need competent, with modern equipment, Minesweepers and Intelligence.
        1. Mister X
          Mister X 9 August 2013 16: 41
          +3
          Quote: Vasya
          You need competent, with modern equipment, Minesweepers and Intelligence.

          I absolutely agree.
          Even the most advanced equipment costs nothing without competent specialists.
  3. Bort radist
    Bort radist 9 August 2013 08: 19
    10
    Quote: Turik
    Or better: Ugly but functional.

    Saved these traits, these traits are cute and pleasing to the eye.
  4. Strashila
    Strashila 9 August 2013 08: 33
    +6
    Here's who you need to learn from ... and we rushed to the Italian for fashionable options.
    1. alone
      alone 9 August 2013 08: 41
      +5
      quite right. South African MPIs are considered one of the best in the world. as they say created considering the reality of the situation
      1. Turik
        Turik 9 August 2013 09: 30
        +1
        Do not rejoice, these devices will not suit us in climatic conditions.
        South Africa, as far as I remember from school, it’s the desert and savannah, it’s easier to create a wheeled unit under such conditions than in our autumn or spring when there is terrible dirt and hellish dregs throughout the country, so here our cars are unrivaled.
        1. alone
          alone 9 August 2013 11: 20
          +6
          modern South African mraps correspond to the parameters -50 + 50. they are not as stupid as you think))
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 9 August 2013 11: 38
            +7
            Well no. It's not stupidity. Indeed, due to the climatic conditions of Russia, tracked vehicles are more adapted here. Off-road quickly completes the wheel technology. Even the best in the world.
            1. alone
              alone 9 August 2013 12: 07
              +4
              then the plans for the purchase of Italian wheeled tanks "KENTAVR"
              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 9 August 2013 12: 25
                +4
                It seems that they have already refused purchases. Indeed, the Centaurs do not suit Russian conditions. But we must not rush from one extreme to another, which is observed in the Russian media. At first, they praised the Centaur, now they scold it. And what prevents to tell the truth, they say, the tank is normal, quite combat-ready, but guys, this does not suit us in terms of geographic conditions.
            2. roial
              roial 10 August 2013 15: 12
              0
              Our pennies and Muscovites drove for decades on our roads and couldn’t get anything done, here you just need to decide what this equipment is for and where it will be used
            3. Alex1977RUS
              Alex1977RUS 14 May 2019 10: 51
              0
              Although it’s a necropost, say BTR-152, BTR 60, BTR 70, BTR-80, as well as the entire URAL family, GAZ 66, and so on, on and on.
              And as for the domestic caterpillar equipment, it’s already in general, to all quilted jackets to patriots at once - - here’s your caterpillar’s ​​one ... Eat your equipment. Do not choke only. Watch from 4-40 ... These were exercises and the usual explosive package - a simulator. Mekhvoda was torn off his leg. Raska go ahead !!! Putin is with us, For more would be in Syria !!! Our Crimea !!! Look what kind of atomic missiles we have !!! What is Armor !!! What are our fighting robots !!! And the zombie crowd masturbates on Putin ... What Armata we have!, Vaner model under a tarp. With this money it was possible to transfer the entire army of the Russian Federation to normal, modern explosion-proof trucks and tractors, but why? Infantry is meat. Well, a thousand in mines will perish, well, a hundred thousand will be left without legs, but look what kind of lasers we have ... We need to do or buy normal equipment on quilted jackets for patriots, since we don’t know how to do it, for the sake of simple soldiers, there’s a redneck consumable, millions of millions we will ruin people in domestic shit, women still give birth ...
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 9 August 2013 17: 04
            +2
            Quote: lonely
            modern South African mraps correspond to the parameters -50 + 50. they are not as stupid as you think))


            "We will give our answer to any of your questions: - We have a machine gun, but you do not have it!"

            The T-34-85 tank equipped with the PT-3 skating rink mine. wink
      2. buk-m1
        buk-m1 12 August 2013 10: 58
        +1
        And their small arms are not bad, especially large-caliber sniper rifles
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 9 August 2013 16: 53
      +2
      Quote: Strashila
      Here's who you need to learn from ... and we rushed to the Italian for fashionable options.
      what

      What to learn?

      The unique foliage remote clearance vehicle has been tested at a training ground near Krasnoarmeysk. The latest defense development by the radar looked for mines, and then with the help of microwave radiation neutralized them.

      The "Foliage" remote demining machine is being tested at a test site near Krasnoarmeiskiy, Moscow Region. It belongs to the technique, which is now commonly called "operating on new physical principles" - an ultra-high-frequency radiation unit (UHF) is installed on the armored car. Previously, this technology was not used to eliminate explosive devices at a distance. "During the tests, it was possible to observe that not a single ammunition worked, this indicates the effect of the microwave installation - an electromagnetic pulse burned the fuses," said Genrikh Gaidukevich, Chief Engineer of the Strategic Missile Forces Engineering Service.

      Electronics "Foliage" sees mines and landmines at a distance of up to 100 meters in a sector of 30 degrees. The vehicle was created by order of the Strategic Missile Forces and is going to be used in the future to escort the columns of Yars mobile missile systems. It is planned that after the completion of the tests and the start of mass production, the missilemen of the Teikovo division will be the first to receive the remote demining vehicle in 2014.
      1. roial
        roial 10 August 2013 15: 19
        +2
        TROPOSPHERIC STATION r-412 operates in the microwave range, so the bio-hazardous area is about 1 kilometer in front of the antenna and 300 meters behind, all vegetation dies in front of the antenna, the crew wears a suit with a metal mesh inside the kung, and it must be grounded by personal experience, inside the kung was able to sow out no more than 30 minutes. (I didn’t run away, my eyes get sick from the orbits.
        I do not envy the crew and those who will have to work side by side with this technique
  5. George
    George 9 August 2013 09: 01
    +3
    smile For some reason, the first pictures caused an analogy with the ancient "armored" ships of ancient Japan.
    Thanks for the review.
  6. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 9 August 2013 10: 32
    +4
    An interesting review. Photos of the first armored vehicles reminded agricultural machinery and an old joke:
    Reported by Radio Yerevan. A group of Chinese aggressors suddenly attacked the Soviet tractor peacefully plowing in the field at the border. The tractor responded with a massive missile salvo, after which it took off and went deep into the country. The Ministry of Agriculture warned that if the provocation repeats, then vertical mowing and landing mowers will appear on our fields
    laughing
  7. morpogr
    morpogr 9 August 2013 10: 36
    +3
    Very interesting article. From artisanal production to the best conveyor designs, interesting options for railways.
  8. dvvv
    dvvv 9 August 2013 11: 15
    +4
    Quote: Turik
    Do not rejoice, these devices will not suit us according to climatic conditions. South Africa, as far as I remember from school, it’s desert and savannah, it’s easier to create a wheeled unit under such conditions than in our autumn or spring when there is terrible dirt and hellish hell all over the country , so here our cars are beyond competition.

    - you didn’t rush?) And what kind of cars are OUR so passable and so protected from mines as the last RG-31 Nyala presented in this article? Maybe there is no heater but the condo, I think there is, and they did it for Siberia. The proportions and layout will definitely not hurt the mud, but what’s high is the price of mine protection
  9. Prishtina
    Prishtina 9 August 2013 11: 52
    +2
    I have been watching for a long time and respect their military-industrial complex (South Africa) (as someone wrote above in the ass of Italyashki)
  10. Prishtina
    Prishtina 9 August 2013 11: 53
    13
    here is the Ural chassis by the way. South Africa chose him in the tender
    1. svp67
      svp67 9 August 2013 12: 00
      +5
      Quote: Prishtina
      here is the Ural chassis by the way. South Africa chose him in the tender

      They really fight, but ride on bushes, and not cars for the parade ...
    2. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 10 August 2013 01: 23
      +3
      Here, here you can buy a development. How much can you expect something from Kamaz?
  11. Prishtina
    Prishtina 9 August 2013 11: 56
    +2
    windows .. do not resemble in our new KAMAZ?
  12. Prishtina
    Prishtina 9 August 2013 11: 57
    +3
    but their self-propelled guns 155mm
  13. Prishtina
    Prishtina 9 August 2013 11: 59
    0
    But the combat module of the South African defense industry ... it was Algeria who chose it to modernize its BMP-1
  14. alone
    alone 9 August 2013 12: 05
    +3
    Another good car of the military-industrial complex of South Africa.

    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbombe
  15. Prishtina
    Prishtina 9 August 2013 12: 24
    +1
    but their rotorcraft drummer (Royalwak)
  16. Prishtina
    Prishtina 9 August 2013 12: 26
    +4
    and here’s the tank .. the chassis is really old. Yes, and German pedigree can be traced .. but well done ... by their own efforts.
  17. alone
    alone 9 August 2013 13: 55
    +5
    guys work specifically
  18. Iraclius
    Iraclius 9 August 2013 15: 05
    +5
    Thank you for the article!
    South African men are one of the best manufacturers of military equipment in the world. It’s just that the country is far from Europe and the names of technology are not well-known what is called.
    The self-propelled 155-mm howitzer G6 "Rhino" is one of the best in the world. The latest modification "52" can hit 67 km with a V-LAP projectile.

    An old, but still very vigorous South African BMP "Badger" ("Ratel"), on the chassis of which the G6 is made, fought in Angola.
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  19. Prishtina
    Prishtina 9 August 2013 18: 42
    +1
    [quote = Iraclius] Thanks for the article!
    South African men are one of the best manufacturers of military equipment in the world. It’s just that the country is far from Europe and the names of technology are not well-known what is called.
    Self-propelled
    [quote = Iraclius] Thanks for the article!
    South African men are one of the best manufacturers of military equipment in the world. It’s just that the country is far from Europe and the names of technology are not well-known what is called.

    so in fact of the matter is that I don’t understand tries .. the French and the Italians (probable opponents to the same) .. if you really want to gain experience and borrow something - South Africa, please work .. on armored vehicles (MRAPAM) especially experience in 30 years.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 9 August 2013 19: 17
      +2
      Quote: Prishtina
      so in fact of the matter is that I don’t understand tries .. the French and the Italians (probable opponents to the same) .. if you really want to gain experience and borrow something - South Africa, please work .. on armored vehicles (MRAPAM) especially experience in 30 years.


      Regarding cooperation with a potential adversary:

      ... The signing of the contract for the construction of French ships for Russia was preceded by a long struggle for the transfer, together with the hulls of the ships, of some technologies that are of interest to us. The French military has long resisted the transfer of combat control systems built on NATO standards. First of all, it is the SENIT-9 combat information and control system and the SIC-21 command and control system for the connection (fleet). Russia's familiarity with these systems was considered sensitive in terms of the transfer of military technology. However, the French economic interest and the persistence of our representatives in the negotiations still prevailed. The contract was signed after consent to the transfer of technology for three combat control systems ....

      It is about the landing helicopter docking ship (DVKD) of the Mistral type for the Russian Navy.

      Not so simple in the moonlit world.
      And by the way:

      Quote: Iraclius
      South African men are one of the best manufacturers of military equipment in the world.


      Russian school of armored vehicles creation is not done with a finger bully when 30 years ago the Yuarians were engaged in scam, in the USSR already as 50 years armored vehicles were mass-produced. soldier
      1. Iraclius
        Iraclius 9 August 2013 22: 14
        +6
        Quote: Karlsonn
        The Russian school of creating armored vehicles was not made with a finger when the 30 years ago the Yuarites were engaged in handicraft, in the USSR already as 50 years the armored vehicles were mass-produced.

        Karlsonn, absolutely agree. hi The development of the towed G5 ("mother" G6) was engaged in none other than the legendary gunsmith, Canadian cosmopolitan Gerald Vincent Bull.

        The one who built for Saddam "Project Babylon" - an epic multi-chamber cannon, which was supposed to become "a weapon of retaliation" for Israel on "D-Day". Which was engaged in light-gas artillery and the problem of launching cargo into Earth's orbit using super-powerful artillery weapons. The one who was shot in the back at the entrance to the house in 1990.
        Without belittling the merits of the South African people, I would like to note that the "import of brains" plays a very important role there.
        In fairness, I note that the G6 - in my opinion - is one of the best howitzers to date.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 10 August 2013 13: 31
          +1
          Quote: Iraclius
          The development of the towed G5 ("mother" G6) was engaged in none other than the legendary gunsmith, Canadian cosmopolitan Gerald Vincent Bull.


          I know wink .

          Quote: Iraclius
          In fairness, I note that the G6 - in my opinion - is one of the best howitzers to date.


          As for me, the self-propelled guns are excellent, but in my humble opinion it is in the first or second line of self-propelled guns. The basic model does not stand out from the competition.
          It is respectable that in the latest version of modernization, the Yuarians did not cling to NATO standards, in fact because of this (USA - go through the forest wink ) they were able to increase range to 67km ..
          But again, like any equipment, it has drawbacks, for our range of TVD URAL-ovskaya or KAMAZ-ovskaya base is preferable.
  20. GUSAR
    GUSAR 9 August 2013 19: 32
    +5
    South Africa produces excellent armored vehicles, and indeed weapons, but if they squeeze out all the whites, then Dunno ...
  21. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 10 August 2013 01: 27
    +3
    Well, frankly speaking, we will soon have to speak about industry and developments from South Africa in the past tense.
  22. bublic82009
    bublic82009 10 August 2013 17: 35
    +1
    Do not forget what climate there. their cars in the winter conditions of Russia or even the Caucasus would be useless.
    1. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 11 August 2013 09: 08
      0
      adaptation is not possible? I think it is quite possible. engine and air conditioning in the car is not an axiom at all. even a student will cope with such a refinement if he does not buy tests))
  23. Des10
    Des10 11 August 2013 08: 30
    +1
    Cool article, great technique, nice comments to read.
    This military review. Thank.
  24. Xroft
    Xroft 11 August 2013 13: 13
    +1
    People and what about the site? New articles do not spread everything on vacation?
    1. kanevsvv
      kanevsvv 11 August 2013 17: 38
      +2
      Vacation, cottages, day off! Colleagues congratulate the builder!
  25. Prishtina
    Prishtina 11 August 2013 20: 49
    -1
    Quote: Karlsonn

    [i] ... The signing of the contract for the construction of French ships for Russia was preceded by a long struggle for the transfer, together with the hulls of the ships, of some technologies that are of interest to us. The French military has long resisted the transfer of combat control systems built on NATO standards. First of all, it is the SENIT-9 combat information and control system and the SIC-21 command and control system for the connection (fleet). Russia's familiarity with these systems was considered sensitive in terms of the transfer of military technology. However, the French economic interest and the persistence of our representatives in the negotiations still prevailed. soldier


    Yes, I am aware of the "shuffling of slippers" about Zenith) ... but how did the real dancing end.?! And perhaps most importantly - What is Zenith ?! Akromya that this is some kind of super SU ... we actually have no reliable information.

    if you argue then ..
    [i] Namely two control systems of the NATO standard - Zenith-9 and command connection control system (fleet) SIC-21 (she is equipped with the only French aircraft carrier "Charles de Gaulle") - became the subject of a dispute in preparation for the signing of the contract. [/ i]

    only it’s unlikely that the Franks alone manage such systems .. after all, this is the key to the systems not only of Francoques but also of their NATO allies .. I do not believe .. that the Franks went to the drain standard NATO’s unified management system.