South Africa and Rhodesia vs min. Part I

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[xetai9977]

Well, it all starts small. South Africans switched from handicrafts to today's ultra-modern armored vehicles, which are currently among the best in the world.

[vladimirZ]

Goal for fiction is cunning. But the ideas of mine protection for vehicles are correct - inclined sides at the bottoms, deflecting fragments and the blast energy directed away from the car.

[unclevad]

If they were the first to experiment with such machines, then these ideas were born by them.

[755962]

Follow the rules of the layout of the case ... and you will be happy ..

http://www.military-informer.narod.ru/MRAP-text.html

[Hoist]

In one article, image data was already criticized, and by the way, it is quite reasonable. It remains a mystery how in the last image the arrow, which should be directed almost perpendicular to the plane of the V-shaped body, deviated to the side.

[Turik]

Maybe functional, but ugly devices to stupid.

Or better: Ugly but functional.

[alone]

Well, as they say, they started to stuff their hands on freaks, but now I must say that they produce solid MPCs.

[Mister X]

Quote: Turik

Ugly but functional.

Civil war is not a beauty contest.
From improvised means, cheaply and quickly - and not by next Christmas.
And these armored freaks justified their purpose.

[washi]

There is a Civil War, there is a tribal war, and there is a World War, when the enemy is supplied and financed by the World Powers.
All these cars are suitable for the first two types of wars.
In the Caucasus, in Afghanistan (at one time), now in Syria, there is a war of the third kind. No machines will help against airborne mines, grenade launchers, and a large number of explosives.
You need competent, with modern equipment, Minesweepers and Intelligence.

[Mister X]

Quote: Vasya

You need competent, with modern equipment, Minesweepers and Intelligence.

I absolutely agree.
Even the most advanced equipment costs nothing without competent specialists.

[Bort radist]

Quote: Turik

Or better: Ugly but functional.

Saved these traits, these traits are cute and pleasing to the eye.

[Strashila]

Here's who you need to learn from ... and we rushed to the Italian for fashionable options.

[alone]

quite right. South African MPIs are considered one of the best in the world. as they say created considering the reality of the situation

[Turik]

Do not rejoice, these devices will not suit us in climatic conditions.
South Africa, as far as I remember from school, it’s the desert and savannah, it’s easier to create a wheeled unit under such conditions than in our autumn or spring when there is terrible dirt and hellish dregs throughout the country, so here our cars are unrivaled.

[alone]

modern South African mraps correspond to the parameters -50 + 50. they are not as stupid as you think))

[xetai9977]

Well no. It's not stupidity. Indeed, due to the climatic conditions of Russia, tracked vehicles are more adapted here. Off-road quickly completes the wheel technology. Even the best in the world.

[alone]

then the plans for the purchase of Italian wheeled tanks "KENTAVR"

[xetai9977]

It seems that they have already refused purchases. Indeed, the Centaurs do not suit Russian conditions. But we must not rush from one extreme to another, which is observed in the Russian media. At first, they praised the Centaur, now they scold it. And what prevents to tell the truth, they say, the tank is normal, quite combat-ready, but guys, this does not suit us in terms of geographic conditions.

[roial]

Our pennies and Muscovites drove for decades on our roads and couldn’t get anything done, here you just need to decide what this equipment is for and where it will be used

[Alex1977RUS]

Although it’s a necropost, say BTR-152, BTR 60, BTR 70, BTR-80, as well as the entire URAL family, GAZ 66, and so on, on and on.
And regarding domestic tracked vehicles, this is already in general, to all patriotic vatniks at once - - here is your tracked... Eat your equipment. Just don't choke. Watch from 4-40... These were exercises and a regular explosive package - a simulator. The driver's leg was torn off. Rashka forward!!! Putin is with us, More of these in Syria!!! Crimea is ours!!! Look at what kind of nuclear missiles we have!!! What kind of Pantsirs!!! What kind of combat robots we have!!! And the zombified crowd masturbates to Putin... What kind of Armata we have!, A van model under a tarpaulin. For this money it would have been possible to transfer the entire Russian army to normal, modern explosion-proof trucks and tractors, but why? Infantry is meat. Well, a thousand will die on mines, a hundred thousand will be left without legs, but look at the lasers we have... Should we make normal equipment for patriots or buy it, since we don't know how to make our own, for the sake of simple soldiers, expendable cattle, you can't launder millions here, we will ruin people on our own shit, women will give birth to more...

[Karlsonn]

Quote: lonely

modern South African mraps correspond to the parameters -50 + 50. they are not as stupid as you think))

"We will give our answer to any of your questions: - We have a machine gun, but you do not have it!"

The T-34-85 tank equipped with the PT-3 skating rink mine.

[buk-m1]

And their small arms are not bad, especially large-caliber sniper rifles

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Strashila

Here's who you need to learn from ... and we rushed to the Italian for fashionable options.

What to learn?

The unique foliage remote clearance vehicle has been tested at a training ground near Krasnoarmeysk. The latest defense development by the radar looked for mines, and then with the help of microwave radiation neutralized them.

The "Foliage" remote demining machine is being tested at a test site near Krasnoarmeiskiy, Moscow Region. It belongs to the technique, which is now commonly called "operating on new physical principles" - an ultra-high-frequency radiation unit (UHF) is installed on the armored car. Previously, this technology was not used to eliminate explosive devices at a distance. "During the tests, it was possible to observe that not a single ammunition worked, this indicates the effect of the microwave installation - an electromagnetic pulse burned the fuses," said Genrikh Gaidukevich, Chief Engineer of the Strategic Missile Forces Engineering Service.

Electronics "Foliage" sees mines and landmines at a distance of up to 100 meters in a sector of 30 degrees. The vehicle was created by order of the Strategic Missile Forces and is going to be used in the future to escort the columns of Yars mobile missile systems. It is planned that after the completion of the tests and the start of mass production, the missilemen of the Teikovo division will be the first to receive the remote demining vehicle in 2014.

[roial]

TROPOSPHERIC STATION r-412 operates in the microwave range, so the bio-hazardous area is about 1 kilometer in front of the antenna and 300 meters behind, all vegetation dies in front of the antenna, the crew wears a suit with a metal mesh inside the kung, and it must be grounded by personal experience, inside the kung was able to sow out no more than 30 minutes. (I didn’t run away, my eyes get sick from the orbits.
I do not envy the crew and those who will have to work side by side with this technique

[George]

For some reason, the first pictures caused an analogy with the ancient "armored" ships of ancient Japan.
Thanks for the review.

[Middle-brother]

An interesting review. Photos of the first armored vehicles reminded agricultural machinery and an old joke:

Reported by Radio Yerevan. A group of Chinese aggressors suddenly attacked the Soviet tractor peacefully plowing in the field at the border. The tractor responded with a massive missile salvo, after which it took off and went deep into the country. The Ministry of Agriculture warned that if the provocation repeats, then vertical mowing and landing mowers will appear on our fields

[morpogr]

Very interesting article. From artisanal production to the best conveyor designs, interesting options for railways.

[dvvv]

Quote: Turik

Do not rejoice, these devices will not suit us according to climatic conditions. South Africa, as far as I remember from school, it’s desert and savannah, it’s easier to create a wheeled unit under such conditions than in our autumn or spring when there is terrible dirt and hellish hell all over the country , so here our cars are beyond competition.

- you didn't get excited?) And what kind of OUR vehicles are so passable and protected from mines as the last one presented in this article RG-31 Nyala? Maybe there is no heater, but I think there is air conditioning, and they were not made for Siberia. The proportions and layout will definitely not prevent you from kneading the mud, and the fact that it is a bit high is the price for mine protection

[Prishtina]

I have been watching for a long time and respect their military-industrial complex (South Africa) (as someone wrote above in the ass of Italyashki)

[Prishtina]

here is the Ural chassis by the way. South Africa chose him in the tender

[svp67]

Quote: Prishtina

here is the Ural chassis by the way. South Africa chose him in the tender

They really fight, but ride on bushes, and not cars for the parade ...

[Drosselmeyer]

Here, here you can buy a development. How much can you expect something from Kamaz?

[Prishtina]

windows .. do not resemble in our new KAMAZ?

[Prishtina]

but their self-propelled guns 155mm

[Prishtina]

But the combat module of the South African defense industry ... it was Algeria who chose it to modernize its BMP-1

[alone]

Another good car of the military-industrial complex of South Africa.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbombe

[Prishtina]

but their rotorcraft drummer (Royalwak)

[Prishtina]

and here’s the tank .. the chassis is really old. Yes, and German pedigree can be traced .. but well done ... by their own efforts.

[alone]

guys work specifically

[Iraclius]

Thank you for the article!
South African men are one of the best manufacturers of military equipment in the world. It’s just that the country is far from Europe and the names of technology are not well-known what is called.
The self-propelled 155-mm howitzer G6 "Rhino" is one of the best in the world. The latest modification "52" can hit 67 km with a V-LAP projectile.

An old, but still very vigorous South African BMP "Badger" ("Ratel"), on the chassis of which the G6 is made, fought in Angola.

[Prishtina]

[quote = Iraclius] Thanks for the article!
South African men are one of the best manufacturers of military equipment in the world. It’s just that the country is far from Europe and the names of technology are not well-known what is called.
Self-propelled
[quote = Iraclius] Thanks for the article!
South African men are one of the best manufacturers of military equipment in the world. It’s just that the country is far from Europe and the names of technology are not well-known what is called.

so in fact of the matter is that I don’t understand tries .. the French and the Italians (probable opponents to the same) .. if you really want to gain experience and borrow something - South Africa, please work .. on armored vehicles (MRAPAM) especially experience in 30 years.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Prishtina

so in fact of the matter is that I don’t understand tries .. the French and the Italians (probable opponents to the same) .. if you really want to gain experience and borrow something - South Africa, please work .. on armored vehicles (MRAPAM) especially experience in 30 years.

Regarding cooperation with a potential adversary:

... The signing of the contract for the construction of French ships for Russia was preceded by a long struggle for the transfer, together with the hulls of the ships, of some technologies that are of interest to us. The French military has long resisted the transfer of combat control systems built on NATO standards. First of all, it is the SENIT-9 combat information and control system and the SIC-21 command and control system for the connection (fleet). Russia's familiarity with these systems was considered sensitive in terms of the transfer of military technology. However, the French economic interest and the persistence of our representatives in the negotiations still prevailed. The contract was signed after consent to the transfer of technology for three combat control systems ....

We are talking about the landing helicopter dock ship (LHD) of the Mistral type for the Russian Navy.

Not so simple in the moonlit world.
And by the way:

Quote: Iraclius

South African men are one of the best manufacturers of military equipment in the world.

Russian school of armored vehicles creation is not done with a finger when 30 years ago the Yuarians were engaged in scam, in the USSR already as 50 years armored vehicles were mass-produced.

[Iraclius]

Quote: Karlsonn

The domestic school of creating armored vehicles is not a figment of the imagination; when 30 years ago the South Africans were engaged in amateurish work, in the USSR armored vehicles had already been produced in series for 50 years.

Karlsonn, absolutely agree. The development of the towed G5 ("mother" G6) was engaged in none other than the legendary gunsmith, Canadian cosmopolitan Gerald Vincent Bull.

The one who built for Saddam "Project Babylon" - an epic multi-chamber cannon, which was supposed to become "a weapon of retaliation" for Israel on "D-Day". Which was engaged in light-gas artillery and the problem of launching cargo into Earth's orbit using super-powerful artillery weapons. The one who was shot in the back at the entrance to the house in 1990.
Without belittling the merits of the South African people, I would like to note that the "import of brains" plays a very important role there.
In fairness, I note that the G6 - in my opinion - is one of the best howitzers to date.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Iraclius

The development of the towed G5 ("mother" G6) was engaged in none other than the legendary gunsmith, Canadian cosmopolitan Gerald Vincent Bull.

I know .

Quote: Iraclius

In fairness, I note that the G6 - in my opinion - is one of the best howitzers to date.

As for me, the SPG is excellent, but in my humble opinion, it is in the first or second rank of SPGs. The basic model does not stand out from its competitors at all.
It is respectable that in the latest version of modernization, the Yuarians did not cling to NATO standards, in fact because of this (USA - go through the forest ) they were able to increase range to 67km ..
But again, like any equipment, it has drawbacks, for our range of TVD URAL-ovskaya or KAMAZ-ovskaya base is preferable.

[GUSAR]

South Africa produces excellent armored vehicles, and indeed weapons, but if they squeeze out all the whites, then Dunno ...

[Drosselmeyer]

Well, frankly speaking, we will soon have to speak about industry and developments from South Africa in the past tense.

[bubble82009]

Do not forget what climate there. their cars in the winter conditions of Russia or even the Caucasus would be useless.

[fennekRUS]

adaptation is not possible? I think it is quite possible. engine and air conditioning in the car is not an axiom at all. even a student will cope with such a refinement if he does not buy tests))

[Des10]

Cool article, great technique, nice comments to read.
This military review. Thank.

[Xroft]

People and what about the site? New articles do not spread everything on vacation?

[kanevsvv]

Vacation, cottages, day off! Colleagues congratulate the builder!

[Prishtina]

Quote: Karlsonn

[i] ... The signing of the contract for the construction of French ships for Russia was preceded by a long struggle for the transfer, together with the hulls of the ships, of some technologies that are of interest to us. The French military has long resisted the transfer of combat control systems built on NATO standards. First of all, it is the SENIT-9 combat information and control system and the SIC-21 command and control system for the connection (fleet). Russia's familiarity with these systems was considered sensitive in terms of the transfer of military technology. However, the French economic interest and the persistence of our representatives in the negotiations still prevailed.

Yes, I am aware of the "shuffling of slippers" about Zenith) ... but how did the real dancing end.?! And perhaps most importantly - What is Zenith ?! Akromya that this is some kind of super SU ... we actually have no reliable information.

if you argue then ..
[i] Namely two control systems of the NATO standard - Zenith-9 and command connection control system (fleet) SIC-21 (she is equipped with the only French aircraft carrier "Charles de Gaulle") - became the subject of a dispute in preparation for the signing of the contract. [/ i]

only it’s unlikely that the Franks alone manage such systems .. after all, this is the key to the systems not only of Francoques but also of their NATO allies .. I do not believe .. that the Franks went to the drain standard NATO’s unified management system.