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Ukraine disappears from the economic map of the world

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The welfare of the Ukrainian people is becoming a fuel burned for the further work of an inefficient economy.


Ukraine disappears from the economic map of the world


A long time ago, a few years ago, World Bank experts made a grotesque globe, where the geographical size of states did not correspond to current realities, but to their contribution to the world economy. The first aspiration of each person will, of course, be an attempt to find his own country. Yes, I will say right away, Ukraine is on it. In smaller sizes than in reality, but still there. However, this was several years ago, and the situation is changing every year. Unfortunately, in the direction of reducing the size of Ukraine on this map.

One of the relatively recent problems of the Ukrainian economy is a serious gap between the volume of exports and imports. According to the WTO rating, our country imports goods to 85 billion dollars (24 is in the world), and exports to 68,5 billion dollars (37 is to place). However, in the government even this question is viewed from an optimistic position. Say, the gap between imports and exports in the 2013 year is gradually reduced. This is true, but there is a nuance. Reducing the gap is not due to the fact that the export has grown. No, it is falling, but import figures are falling even faster. What is behind this trend?

The decline in imports was achieved, first of all, by reducing the supply of energy resources to the country. Thus, purchases of natural gas decreased by 27%, coal - by 37%, oil imports decreased by 6 times. This would be a great achievement if the rejection of imports was accompanied by an increase in domestic production. However, there is no growth.

Coal and oil production fell by 7%, while gas production, although increased, was only 0,7%. According to the laws of physics, energy does not appear from nowhere and disappears into nowhere. If the country has less energy, then they consume less. Indeed, there is a continuous process of production decline - oil refining decreased by 43%, electricity generation - by 4%. At the end of June, the decline in metallurgy was 7%, in machine building - 10%, in the chemical industry - 22%. Only the agricultural sector (thanks to a good harvest!) Continues to show growth, in fact, keeping the domestic economy afloat.

Thus, the situational improvement of the trade balance is a gradual reduction in the export production base of the country. Before our eyes, Ukraine is losing what has been the basis of our economy throughout the entire period of independence. Let it be an industry with low levels of redistribution, producing semi-finished products and raw materials. But at least she was. Now this industry is dissolved in global competition, condemning Ukraine to a further gap between production capacities and consumption needs.

The imbalance between exports and imports is not a perpetual motion machine, the economy cannot work in this mode all the time. If the money is washed out of the country, then there must be some kind of compensation mechanism. And it exists. First, the people are objectively getting poorer. His wealth, his savings become fuel, burned for the future work of an inefficient economy. Secondly, there is credit pumping. The country is turning into a drug addict, completely dependent on the will of other states and international financial organizations.

The problem is even more aggravated in the context of the possible accession of Ukraine to the Free Trade Area with the EU. Using that period, while we are still being lent money, European manufacturers, having gained access to the Ukrainian market, will rush to sell their goods here. Ukraine will pay for them with loans received from the same Europeans. What will entail a further increase in imports with the final crowding out of the domestic producer. And this will continue until we are "gutted", like many countries before Ukraine. Argentina, which such a financial policy at the beginning of 2000's brought to the most severe crisis and looting on the streets, is the most well-known example.

Although the facts speak for themselves, I still don’t want to believe that the country's leadership is seriously ready to go on maintaining power at such a price. This is not only a question of sovereignty. With such a policy, we risk disappearing from the world map - first as an economic value, and then politically.
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  1. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 7 August 2013 13: 41 New
    60
    Colleagues from Ukraine can certainly condemn me and say that this is not so, but looking at what is happening with the fraternal country it becomes scary from the fact that we went along the same path to complete collapse. I am glad that now we are crawling out of the pit, but it’s sad to see that Ukraine is falling deeper and deeper into debt bondage and liberal dances to the tune of the Phasington Regional Committee and the geyropec kodla zhopobludov.
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 7 August 2013 14: 35 New
      -6
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      to look sadly at the fact that Ukraine is falling deeper and deeper into debt bondage and liberal dances to the tune of the Phasington Regional Committee and the gayrope kodla zhopobludov.

      To speed up the orientation process, one can “deport” highly paid “specialists” of Ukrainian nationality from Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Komi, Krasnoyarsk Territory and Yakutia and Ukraine and Crimea will write off to Russia in the 2 month and not become a member of the CU but Mordovia or Chuvashia or Udmurtia. wink
      Ek was angry at me. Well, it’s because I’m tired of observing, hearing and seeing the “howling-howls-yelling” associated with the “non-judgmental”.
      Although, of course, Russians will sit in vacated posts (and this is not one thousand seats), and the latter is especially warm. wink
      I recalled an example from Amway Taras and Irina Demkura from the Ternopol region (the breadbasket of UNA-UNSO) of Ukraine.
      http://amway-korona.ru/taras-i-irina-demkura.html
      One of these citizens will begin to prune the Amway branches and begin to sing differently. wink
      1. domokl
        domokl 7 August 2013 15: 50 New
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        Quote: Papakiko
        To speed up the orientation process, one can “deport” highly paid “specialists” of Ukrainian nationality from Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Komi, Krasnoyarsk Territory and Yakutia and Ukraine and Crimea will write off to Russia in the 2 month and not become a member of the CU but Mordovia or Chuvashia or Udmurtia.

        And on what basis are you going to deport Russians of Ukrainian origin to Ukraine? The eastern regions of Russia in Soviet times were really inhabited by people from all over the Union. But now their descendants are already Siberians and northerners, not Ukrainians.
        1. strannik595
          strannik595 7 August 2013 15: 59 New
          +4
          The Japanese also need to worry, along the way they are also not on this map belay
        2. Papakiko
          Papakiko 7 August 2013 15: 59 New
          -6
          Quote: domokl
          But now their descendants are already Siberians and northerners, not Ukrainians.

          You confuse little "warm" with jam.
          Families, homes and property in Ukraine. They are no different from guest workers from Nagorno-Badakhshan, with the exception of race characteristics (language, outwardly) and education. I Demkurov cited as an example and not just for a peek. hi
          1. domokl
            domokl 7 August 2013 20: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: Papakiko
            Families, homes and property in Ukraine.

            You confuse it. Citizens of Ukraine work on a rotational basis in the above areas.
        3. FC SKIF
          FC SKIF 7 August 2013 17: 21 New
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          I've been, for example, Russian, for a long time was grzh. Ukraine and lived in Russia. Believe me, I realized in my own skin that we are much more comfortable and calmer to be grzh. Belarus than forever untouched. And someone wants to punish for the bad behavior of Yanukovych - Yushchenko ordinary Russian people, by the will of politicians who became foreigners?
        4. M. Peter
          M. Peter 7 August 2013 18: 58 New
          +6
          I fully confirm that we are all Siberians for a long time. wink
        5. Nick
          Nick 7 August 2013 21: 05 New
          +7
          Quote: domokl
          ? The eastern regions of Russia in Soviet times were really inhabited by people from all over the Union. But now their descendants are already Siberians and northerners, not Ukrainians.

          Absolutely right! But Ukrainians are part of the Russian people.
    2. rumatam
      rumatam 7 August 2013 15: 59 New
      +2
      this way, them, and do not cry for them, they do not cry for us.
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 7 August 2013 16: 48 New
        13
        Quote: rumatam
        this way, them, and don’t need to weep for them, they do not weep for us

        I cry for people like you crying Who are they? A bunch of Nazi fascists? There are many who disagree with the priorities of their current government, there are a lot of them.
        And I remember there was a power -
        The Poles and Teutons were scared.
        And every dog ​​was trembling,
        Seeing our squadrons.
        Life turned us in the backsides
        Fate-villain spread.
        Oh, how are you kidding me,
        Oh, how did you fagot!
    3. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ 7 August 2013 16: 02 New
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      What kind of hole are we getting out of !? Today I read the news: Rusal is going to "preserve" 4 plants - Volgograd (VgAZ), Bogoslovsky (BAZ), Ural (UAZ) and Nadvoitsky (NAZ). I don’t know about VgAZ and NAZ, but BAZ and UAZ are city-forming plants! Reasons: low prices for aluminum (they will give until it grows), expensive energy, cheaper products of competitors (if it is wrong with the WTO), well, etc. by the list. By preservation Deripaska means a shutdown of factories for 4 years !!! Can you imagine what will happen if these plants stop !? We got working factories, "squeezed out" all the juices and "firebox". And you say we get out of the pit!
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 7 August 2013 16: 09 New
        +5
        Quote: EwgenyZ
        What kind of hole are we getting out of !? Today I read the news: Rusal is going to "preserve" 4 plants

        Affix links, discuss.
        1. little man
          little man 7 August 2013 16: 32 New
          +1
          http://www.newsru.com/finance/07aug2013/gibnutzametall.html
      2. Alexei
        Alexei 7 August 2013 16: 55 New
        0
        Quote: EwgenyZ
        We got working factories, "squeezed out" all the juices and "firebox". And you say we get out of the pit!

        Well, you are a dreamer ... If Deripaska did not manage to close the e-th factory in the city of Pikalevo, then you have already bent that he will succeed in something more. It’s shorter if you try, people go out into the street, block roads with highways - hello! Volodya will have nothing left to do anymore, how to invest again on the continuation of the functioning of a not very profitable enterprise.
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 7 August 2013 18: 06 New
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          Quote: Alexej
          how to invest again on the continuation of the functioning of a not very profitable enterprise.

          Well, why do our "commerce" like scattering the word unprofitable?
          In the shed or basement profitably pour (up to 500 bottles per day) and sell “fake vodka”, and in the case of distilleries dispensing from 10 bottles per day, the tap immediately becomes unprofitable.
          ??
          Maybe the whole thing is in the “gray schemes”, “necessary” or not always warming people and offshore?
          So it is with factories.
          I know a couple of factories, so even taking into account theft and excess mouths, the profitability of 70%. Geyropa and mattress resting.
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 7 August 2013 18: 59 New
            +3
            Quote: Papakiko
            Well, why do our "commerce" like scattering the word unprofitable?

            Yes, because it is more profitable to build two plants from scratch at once than to restore (upgrade) one, which is constantly being poured. There was no care for him in perestroika times, and he became a "crowbar". Well, will you invest in the killed eight, or is it better to take a new car? On the one hand, I understand the businessmen, but on the other ... did they think before? Cut the dough without investing in production and dump it over a hill, and then vishche, in Russia - the rise has begun.
        2. EwgenyZ
          EwgenyZ 7 August 2013 20: 42 New
          +3
          And what is fantasy? Now the elections will be held and there the case "will move from a dead point." "Mrs. Godlevskaya emphasized that the freezing of electrolysis cells will be carried out gradually. A complete shutdown of electrolysis production will occur only by the end of the year." It is possible that this is "probing the public opinion" or, as political leaders claim, blackmailing the government, but it was too painful for such "good" news to appear in the press. Here is the link to the article - http://pravdaurfo.ru/articles/deripaska-trebuet-novyh-preferenciy-u-putina-ostan
          ovkoy-uaza-i-baza.
      3. Papakiko
        Papakiko 7 August 2013 17: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: EwgenyZ
        Today I read the news: Rusal is going to "preserve" 4 plants - Volgograd (VgAZ), Bogoslovsky (BAZ), Ural (UAZ) and Nadvoitsky (NAZ).

        In the link provided, you can verify that this is very close to reality.
        http://www.znak.com/svrdl/articles/2013-07-31/101020.html
        We must not forget that in doing so, Rusal embraces workers and specialists to move to new enterprises under construction in the environs of Boguchany and Kodinsk.
        Boguchanskaya hydroelectric station for this and is launched.
        1. EwgenyZ
          EwgenyZ 7 August 2013 20: 52 New
          +1
          Not everything is so smooth, 400 people out of two thousand employees promise to employ UAZ, only 40 people agreed to go to Siberia. But at BAZ, it seems, they don’t think about employment at all, here is a letter from the trade unions to the good tsar Vladimir: “By the end of March 2013, the last two buildings were hastily closed, only the 6th series of the aluminum production directorate remained to operate, and on July 29, 2013, A. N. Arnautov, director of aluminum business of the Western division, issued order No. RGM-13-R292 on the creation headquarters for the closure and conservation of unprofitable production of the Western aluminum division, including the 6th BAZ-SUAL series. Everything is clear, business for business. And what will people do, where are the new jobs? Not even half a year has passed, and no one remembers the creation of the Bogoslovsky industrial park and the organization of one thousand new jobs for BAZ-SUAL employees ”
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 7 August 2013 22: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: Papakiko
          We must not forget that in doing so, Rusal embraces workers and specialists to move to new enterprises under construction in the environs of Boguchany and Kodinsk.
          Boguchanskaya hydroelectric station for this and is launched.

          Gradually we will turn into nomads, “roll the field?” Business-industrialists will not get used to behaving like locusts: “gobbled up hemp field - fly to poppy"...,but PEOPLE?
      4. Corsair
        Corsair 7 August 2013 21: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: EwgenyZ
        By conservation, Deripaska means stopping factories at 4 of the year !!! Can you imagine what will happen if these plants stop !? We got working factories, "squeezed out" all the juices and "firebox". And you say we get out of the pit!

        For such cases, there is STATE(POWER). Power, this one,should to “sort out” such phenomena, in other matters, the article describes similar processes (though already on the scale of the whole state) with a hint that nevertheless AUTHORITY OBLIGED to solve these issues and, moreover, not at the expense of the population ...
        1. EwgenyZ
          EwgenyZ 7 August 2013 22: 02 New
          0
          So let's see how the government will solve this problem.
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 7 August 2013 22: 05 New
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          For such cases, there is a STATE (AUTHORITY).

          In view of the "leaked minus," I dare to ask: What, the state not must intervene in such cases of arbitrariness in private business?
      5. ovgorskiy
        ovgorskiy 8 August 2013 12: 49 New
        0
        EwgenyZ, you act in the style of the State Department propaganda, it seems like the truth, and not exactly. The article does not say a word about the above enterprises, but it refers to Severstal, MMK, Norilsk Nickel, Rusal, Mechel. What does UAZ (Ulyanovsk Automobile Plant) have to do with all this, like a deaf grandmother, I heard something, I thought up the rest.
    4. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 7 August 2013 16: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      in debt bondage

      In contrast to Ukraine, we at least have natural resources. And years through 50, and they will end. And then?
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 7 August 2013 16: 57 New
        +8
        Quote: Pilat2009
        In contrast to Ukraine, we at least have natural resources. And years through 50, and they will end. And then?

        We will trade whiners.
    5. sevtrash
      sevtrash 7 August 2013 19: 15 New
      +1
      Thanks to Gorbachev and Yeltsin. And now the train has left. Really talk about reunification - one more thing - will be possible in hundreds of years, if at all possible.
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 7 August 2013 19: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: sevtrash
        Thanks to Gorbachev and Yeltsin. And now the train has left. Really talk about reunification - one more thing - will be possible in hundreds of years, if at all possible.

        You what? belay After hundreds of years, it will be possible to fight with each other, and not reunite.
        1. domokl
          domokl 7 August 2013 20: 31 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexej
          What are you? belay After hundreds of years, it will be possible to fight with each other, and not reunite.

          belay Why in a hundred? Already fought ..In Chechnya, in Georgia ...
          To be honest, reunification is now not necessary, first of all, for Russia. We still cannot solve so many problems that Ukraine has accumulated. We need a friendly but independent country. We will help, but completely ... no.
          Now the project is being implemented according to the Yugoslav version. Only without military intervention.
          1. zmey_gadukin
            zmey_gadukin 8 August 2013 14: 24 New
            0
            Quote: domokl
            We need a friendly but independent country.

            I agree.
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 7 August 2013 19: 24 New
        +5
        Quote: sevtrash
        Really talk about reunion

        Go out with the whole aul (oh, up-s-s, Ukraine) to the street and spend popular vote on joining the Great Russia.
        A more democratic way and not to find. soldier

        In hundreds of years, if at all possible
        So who can forbid not breathing, not drinking, not eating ?!
        Everything is in the hands and not even of God. wink
    6. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 7 August 2013 20: 28 New
      +1
      Do not read this. State Department.
    7. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 7 August 2013 20: 29 New
      0
      Do not read like this is rubbish.
    8. MG42
      MG42 8 August 2013 01: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      Colleagues from Ukraine can certainly condemn me and say that this is not so, but looking at what is happening with the fraternal country it becomes scary from the fact that we went along the same path to complete collapse.

      If you recall, Russia defaulted in 1998 ..
      Ukraine is still ahead, since payments on public debts this year have already exceeded $ 2 billion, and gold reserves are decreasing public debt is growing like a snowball, although it was not possible to agree with the IMF ..
    9. Barrel
      Barrel 8 August 2013 02: 03 New
      -4
      Wow, how are you brainwashed here, they say everything is so bad that it would be quicker to "drain" Ukraine to you, so everyone will immediately have a good life) Yes, there are problems, but temporary problems associated with the coming to power of the mafia. But don’t worry, the situation will change in the next election.
    10. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 8 August 2013 10: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      Colleagues from Ukraine can certainly condemn me and say that this is not so, but looking at what is happening with the fraternal country it becomes scary from the fact that we went along the same path to complete collapse. I am glad that now we are crawling out of the pit, but it’s sad to see that Ukraine is falling deeper and deeper into debt bondage and liberal dances to the tune of the Phasington Regional Committee and the geyropec kodla zhopobludov.

      Russia has never followed the path that Ukraine is taking.
      Russia has always been a sovereign and independent country, and under any political system it worked, and did not fight for "inconsistency" and "independence".
      Ukraine has been completely sovereign for 22 years, but instead of doing business, its leaders and a large part of the population are “fighting” with the masses and the “invaders”.
      Instead of forging economic and political ties with Russia, they are looking for ways to, as it were, slander the “Asians” mockals more and become full-fledged “gay men”.
  2. silver_roman
    silver_roman 7 August 2013 13: 42 New
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    and this is a fact no matter how deplorable it is to admit.
    in fact, Ukraine has virtually no government. I do not take into account those "organic masses" that are now in power. as in many other countries, the government is following the oligarchs. I live in Kiev myself. honestly: Porsche Cayenne - almost a popular car. all sorts of ferrari, lamborghini, bentley - in the order of things. I often see maybahs. but you should have seen the poor guy’s roads. I'm not talking about county towns. what can I say if the assistant judges at age 25 go to cls 5.5 AMG .... in short, everything is extremely sad. they leave only ... ONLY on the Soviet reserve ... what will happen when the last existing plants turn into regular supermarkets ... skymall, dreamtown, oceanplaza, ..., dolbo * bplaza crying
    1. Fastblast
      Fastblast 7 August 2013 13: 59 New
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      I agree with you. Himself from Kiev.

      I don’t want to get a better life for myself, my family and the citizens of my country with blood, but it seems I can’t do without it.
      1. dropout
        dropout 7 August 2013 14: 30 New
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        Quote: Fastblast
        I don’t want to achieve a better life with blood ... but it seems that we cannot do without it.

        And I’m from Zhytomyr, in our province it’s even worse. But we need to look for bloodless solutions.
        Our land has been thoroughly saturated with it throughout its history. As for the authorities, there was no alternative to Yanukovych in the last presidential election. And it’s not our fault that he turned out to be shit. The most offensive, no one can see a PERSON who can be trusted with the country. It seems that Mazepa’s syndrome on Ukrainian soil cannot be overcome.
        1. Fastblast
          Fastblast 7 August 2013 14: 39 New
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          Unfortunately you are right. There were no alternatives in the elections.
          Yes, you need to look for a bloodless option, but how? The entire judicial and executive system is thoroughly saturated with corruption and brother-brother and matchmaker covers.
          The trouble is with the heroes, with people whom we could trust and give our strength to fight the kings, who have nothing to do with the people.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 7 August 2013 14: 46 New
            +3
            Quote: dropout
            As for the authorities, there was no alternative to Yanukovych in the last presidential election

            Quote: Fastblast
            Unfortunately you are right. There were no alternatives in the elections.

            Do you really believe in democracy and free elections ?! laughing
            Enough is enough!
            This is all a show for LOKHOV!!!
            The alternative will be only if it will be necessary for those who really steers!
            Comrades Little Russians / Ukrainians, I ask you to grow up !!!
            1. Fastblast
              Fastblast 7 August 2013 14: 54 New
              +6
              No, I don’t believe in that anymore. Grew up.

              After the orange deception, there is no more faith for these showmen.
              1. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 7 August 2013 15: 08 New
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                hi
                I may repeat myself, but -
                I have a feeling of an approaching catastrophe - the collapse of the Civilization created by our ancestors during the 7521 year from the Creation of the World, a civilization called Northern or Russian.
                The collapse of the Soviet Union, which lasted only 74 of the year since the October Revolution, is considered the largest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century.
                74 years and 7521 years, the difference is 7447 years.
                Seven thousand five hundred twenty-one years of history and development, sweat and blood of Russia thrown into the dustbin of history ?!
                It does not fit in the head.
                How then, after realizing what happened, will we call this?
                If now, in 22 of the year, the majority of residents of the republics of the former USSR express the most impartial epithets to Gorbachev, or, more simply, they swear as soon as they can, what will we call those who betrayed the centuries-old aspirations of Russia?
                After all, with one movement of a pen under the agreement on the association of Ukraine with the EU, as from the category of a fraternal country for Russia, Belarus, it will turn into the category of "friendly", i.e. will become an adversary (not an enemy!), like Poland, for example, or Romania.
                Or does someone think that after ratification Ukraine will be able to pursue an independent policy or “sit on two chairs” of the EU and the CU at the same time? - I’m afraid that Nenko’s buttocks will not be wide enough - and Gay. European perverts of all colors are not asleep.
                And after that, will Ukraine return to the historical path of its development?
                When will the new Bogdan Khmelnitsky appear and the Pereyaslavskaya Rada will meet? Who knows?!
                And if he returns, then the soul of betrayal will still remain ...
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 7 August 2013 18: 16 New
                  +5
                  somehow I can’t believe that this will happen. Well, I can’t believe that Putin did not give Georgia the opportunity to receive only a CHANCE for joining NATO, and that he would simply give Ukraine to the EU. besides, Yanukovych is a pawn. he does not solve these issues.
                  in addition, Association with the EU is not yet entry. take a look at Turkey:
                  Turkey’s application was accepted for consideration in 1987, but only in 2000, Turkey received candidate status, and only in 2004 did formal negotiations begin on Turkey’s entry into the Community.

                  and the question of Turkey is still open. And this despite the fact that she is a member of NATO. So I would not be so sure of Ukraine’s integration into the EU.
                  1. Apologet.Ru
                    Apologet.Ru 7 August 2013 18: 38 New
                    +2
                    hi
                    Ukraine is not Turkey. Turkey is already a likely adversary. And Ukraine ... claw bogged down, an abyss to the whole bird ...
                  2. Corsair5912
                    Corsair5912 8 August 2013 11: 01 New
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                    Quote: silver_roman
                    So I would not be so sure of Ukraine’s integration into the EU.

                    And what gives Ukraine accession to the EU, even if it is accepted there.
                    Maybe Europe will begin to supply Ukraine with cheap energy and new technologies? Can open her markets for her to sell goods?
                    This is unlikely to happen. The EU has the same problems as Ukraine, only less pronounced.
        2. Konsmo
          Konsmo 7 August 2013 14: 48 New
          -2
          But Klitschko of what? In boxing, I root for him, but as a politician?
          1. Fastblast
            Fastblast 7 August 2013 14: 57 New
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            I will say this, in boxing he is better.

            Ukraine needs not talking heads but real actions.
            With action deficit.
          2. KazaK Bo
            KazaK Bo 7 August 2013 15: 56 New
            +5
            Quote: Konsmo
            In boxing, I root for him, but as a politician?

            Look at your avatar ... one of them is Klitschko in politics ....
            A fighter for independence and the G * ropeysky vector of development ...
        3. kasha
          kasha 7 August 2013 15: 38 New
          +4
          Why, I would vote for Medvedchuk!
          1. KazaK Bo
            KazaK Bo 7 August 2013 16: 08 New
            +5
            Quote: kasha
            Why, I would vote for Medvedchuk!

            But the author of the article is largely right !!! And everything goes to the point that this is an article for taking a test of public opinion .. I’m quite familiar with V. Medvedchuk ... if this is the one ... Viktor Medvedchuk, friend I. Surkis and co-owner Dynamo K., TK Inter, leader of the Ukrainian Social Democratic Party , the head of the administration at PRESIDENT KUCHMA, etc. .... And this is only the tip of the visible part of the "iceberg". Interesting person. Under him, Ukraine would have long been in the Commonwealth and the Customs Union ... but it will not miss its ... both for Ukraine and for itself ...
            1. Skiff-2
              Skiff-2 7 August 2013 20: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: KazaK Bo
              Why, I would vote for Medvedchuk!

              For Medvedchuk and I would vote, I think the GDP gives a hint with his demonstrative friendship with him, it’s good to pull Vetrenko up too - in an open discussion, she will roll out any of the current politicians, but the question remains about financing and access to the media, it didn’t interfere- Russia should think about trade and credit benefits for potential sponsors of a hypothetical Third Force ... otherwise there would be no choice at all in future elections.
        4. domokl
          domokl 7 August 2013 15: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: dropout
          need to look for bloodless solutions.

          These words should be highlighted in capital letters. There are already a lot of benefactors who call for a forceful solution to the problem. Only any forceful solution means the complete disintegration and intervention of foreign armies on the territory of the country. Be it Russian troops, NATO or some kind of sleepwalkers ...
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 7 August 2013 16: 13 New
            +6
            Quote: domokl
            Quote: dropout
            need to look for bloodless solutions.

            These words should be highlighted in capital letters. There are already a lot of benefactors who call for a forceful solution to the problem. Only any forceful solution means the complete disintegration and intervention of foreign armies on the territory of the country. Be it Russian troops, NATO or some kind of sleepwalkers ...

            You can imagine a bloodless decision during the occupation of Ukraine by Germany in the Second World War.
            The bottom line is that now, that then alone.
            Only the German Gauleiter is now called the president.
            I am against the war, but let's find a bloodless solution to how to free 20 of our compatriots from the occupation.
            We’ve been looking for more than 20 years, but we’re not looking for the “boring ones”, so they drag us to our side with skating.
            ps Just do not refer that the people there vote for something and choose someone, we well know the price of the so-called democracy.
            1. domokl
              domokl 7 August 2013 20: 39 New
              +4
              Quote: ATATA
              Only the German Gauleiter is now called the president.

              It was the same in Russia ... Isn’t there a single MAN in all of Ukraine? Have you noticed an interesting feature of the Slavs: in Russia and Belarus there are completely different presidents. They rule completely differently. They preach completely different lifestyles. However, here and there people are for it. And we, probably, more Belarusians support Lukashenko, and Belarusians, respectively, Putin.
              But the problem will be solved simply, Ukraine will sign an agreement with the EU and all conversations will stop. Not sign, they will also stop. Time is now playing against Ukraine for any ...
          2. xan
            xan 7 August 2013 16: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: domokl
            Only any military solution means the complete collapse and intervention of foreign armies on the territory of the country, be it Russian troops, NATO troops or some kind of sleepwalkers ...

            Give the Russian land to the Russian people, and on the rest of the earth look for a bloodless exit
            1. domokl
              domokl 7 August 2013 20: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: xan
              Give the Russian land to the Russian people, and on the rest of the earth look for a bloodless exit

              On what basis? And who said that the land is Russian? According to the treaties of Ukraine and Russia, the countries have no territorial claims against each other. The Ukrainians will simply say, do not like it, leave. And they will be legally right ...
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 8 August 2013 00: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: domokl
                According to the agreements of Ukraine and Russia, the countries have no territorial claims to each other. The Ukrainians will simply say, do not like it, leave. And they will be right legally ...

                According to the agreement, there are conditions under which there are no territorial claims.
            2. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 8 August 2013 14: 29 New
              0
              Quote: xan
              Give Russian land to the Russian people

              I don’t like such comments and such commentators
              kindle?
              1. zmey_gadukin
                zmey_gadukin 8 August 2013 15: 15 New
                0
                offended? minus set? ))))
          3. Moon
            Moon 8 August 2013 00: 21 New
            0
            So again in 2015, vote for Yanukovych. And so in a circle.
        5. silver_roman
          silver_roman 7 August 2013 18: 08 New
          +8
          as for me, Yanyk did not live up to V.V.P. and now the bet will be on Medvedchuk. not for nothing that Putin went to hang out with him? and the same one tried to run for ...
          I know only one thing: in the EU we definitely have nothing to do.
        6. testerman
          testerman 7 August 2013 21: 38 New
          +2
          Until retirement, 6 years remained and there was a thought to come to the ancestral homeland in Zhytomyr. To purchase a house in a good area ....... I begin to understand that it’s probably not worth it. A mess in the state. A very sorry, very .........
        7. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 8 August 2013 14: 26 New
          0
          Quote: dropout
          no one is visible PERSONALITY

          this is the worst
          wherever you throw, everywhere a wedge
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 7 August 2013 14: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Fastblast
        I don’t want to get a better life for myself, my family and the citizens of my country with blood, but it seems I can’t do without it.

        Quote: dropout
        Our land in its history is already thoroughly saturated with it.

        I'm bastard with your "mournful" thoughts.
        The geyrop and the Fashiski regional committee with the Fashiskem palace need to wash their blood.
        And they think to irrigate their land. belay
        1. Fastblast
          Fastblast 7 August 2013 15: 09 New
          +6
          In fact, I meant the blood of those corrupt hamsters that have nothing to do with our homeland. They will sell any homeland and ruin any house in which they settle, just to cut the dough.

          You can do it with little blood - make a list of all those involved in the plunder of the country and send them out with its complete confiscation of property.

          True, who will do this, hamsters on the list?))
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 7 August 2013 16: 08 New
            +2
            Quote: Fastblast
            They will sell any homeland and ruin any house in which they settle, just to cut the dough.

            They are proudly called Cosmopolitans.
            And you wrote it right.
            Quote: domokl
            Only any military solution means the complete collapse and intervention of foreign armies in the country.

            Although inclined to believe that is clearly exaggerated.
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    3. Kasym
      Kasym 8 August 2013 19: 14 New
      +1
      Recently I was in Kiev. The roads in the city were very surprising - a patch on a patch on central streets (we were like that about 10 years ago).
      And about the car - you were not in Alma-Ata: every fourth car is a jeep, 70-80% of the mansions belong to officials (former and present).
      In short, not so far we ran away. If we really want to be independent and freely express our opinion in the international arena, then it is time to create a new UNION - we have already tried it alone, even Russia is hard.
      Sincerely. hi
  3. ATATA
    ATATA 7 August 2013 13: 43 New
    18
    I calmed down for Ukraine.
    The people there are thinking that where, contrary to the stories of local Svidomo, that there the whole people of the soul do not care in the independence.
    I have a status in classmates:
    "The border of Ukraine and Russia, this is our Berlin Wall."
    Yesterday someone put a new class. I look, my niece from Odessa.
    The guy is 14 years old.
    I have not seen or communicated with him since his birth.
    So that no * EPA Svidomo will not work.
  4. Canep
    Canep 7 August 2013 13: 44 New
    10
    The Ukrainian top leadership needs to think hard where they will lead the camp. And about his personal fate in this context. The fate of Berezovsky, for them should be a vivid example of what happens to the traitors of their people.
    1. domokl
      domokl 7 August 2013 16: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: Canep
      The Ukrainian top leadership needs to think hard where they will lead the camp.

      And they think. And they do. What do we want from people who, like horses in the top three, have blinders on their eyes? People who have long decided the fate of the country and now just share it. More precisely, they share everything that remains, in order to later become what some British or Americans ...
  5. Constantine
    Constantine 7 August 2013 13: 49 New
    +8
    Although the facts speak for themselves, I still don’t want to believe that the country's leadership is seriously ready to go on maintaining power at such a price. This is not only a question of sovereignty. With such a policy, we risk disappearing from the world map - first as an economic value, and then politically.


    Apparently, the Ukrainian authorities live in some kind of their own, not known to us by Ukraine. As well as nationalists. sad
    1. MG42
      MG42 8 August 2013 01: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Constantine
      Apparently, the Ukrainian authorities live in some kind of their own, not known to us by Ukraine.

      Very much led .. The Donetsk Deriban and the vertical of power, the entire leadership of Ukrainian security officials with a Donetsk residence permit .. bully
      Quote: Constantine
      As well as nationalists.

      These are in a formal opposition to Donetsk ..
  6. aliatum
    aliatum 7 August 2013 13: 53 New
    12
    ATATA - "The border of Ukraine and Russia, this is our Berlin Wall." I completely agree. +
  7. My address
    My address 7 August 2013 13: 55 New
    +7
    And maybe God bless him. Maybe bringing Kiev situation to idiocy will help reunification, if otherwise there is no way. But we will have to pay, not Yanukovych with Akhmetov.
    1. fokino1980
      fokino1980 7 August 2013 14: 07 New
      +7
      Sad But you are right! They themselves will not understand and do not correct the situation. Anti-Russian sentiments in society prevail and are gaining momentum, the path to the EU is considered the only salvation! History has been rewritten before senility, and even highly educated people believe in these senility! There is no outcome at all !!!
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 7 August 2013 14: 14 New
        -1
        Quote: fokino1980
        Anti-Russian sentiments prevail in society and gain momentum

        No no, everything is wrong.
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 7 August 2013 14: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: My address
      we will have to pay, not Yanukovych and Akhmetov

      And if you shake well, huh?
  8. sribnuu
    sribnuu 7 August 2013 14: 05 New
    -22
    Another bullshit! Take only the export of arms 5th place, agricultural products, etc. No one says that it’s good, but not fatal) Let’s an article about Russia! One joy oil that dies) wink
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 7 August 2013 14: 18 New
      13
      Quote: sribnuu
      Another bullshit! Take only arms exports 5th place,

      The United States is leading the top five largest arms suppliers, as before (30% in the share of global arms exports), followed by Russia (26%), followed by Germany (7%), France (6%) and China (5%).

      Where is the 5th place here?
      Say you are exporting weapons ?!
      How has the armored personnel carriers in Iraq already unloaded, or are they still hanging out at sea?
    2. Conepatus
      Conepatus 7 August 2013 14: 21 New
      15
      I had 7 factories in the city, 2 remained, and they cost more than they work. The rest were stopped, some of the machines were sold, that they could not be sold entirely, then they were cut into scrap and sold. And everywhere the local authorities were involved. There were 2 bread of the plant . Only the bare walls remained, but now they bring bread from neighboring cities (by the way shitty bread, you can buy it in the morning and crumble in the hands by the evening). It was an excellent citro-plant. One of the first in the Union began to produce Tarhun. Now there’s a parking lot cars.
    3. yanus
      yanus 7 August 2013 14: 24 New
      +6
      Quote: sribnuu
      Take only arms exports 5th place

      In general, arms exports from Ukraine are a separate story worthy of a full article.
      Take for example the supply of armored personnel carriers to Thailand, since I'm here.
      At first glance, a big deal, everything is OK.
      But if you look in more detail, there are nuances:
      - there is no production of buildings, remake junk
      - the engine is not your own, imported,
      - thermal imagers, etc., also import.
      As a result, if you look at the amount of the transaction - everything is OK. If you look at the technological components, such as an engine, then this money immediately went abroad. And what remains in Ukraine? Not quite a dime, but not millions. And most importantly, such a business has no prospects - 10-15 years and all. Then only the service.
      And judging by the turnover, then yes, it creates the feeling of a working defense industry.
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    4. pensioner
      pensioner 7 August 2013 14: 40 New
      +6
      Quote: sribnuu
      Take only arms exports 5th place

      ??????????? Well, except maybe in the 23rd row ...
    5. egor 1712
      egor 1712 7 August 2013 15: 55 New
      11
      Here it is (sribnuu) an activist crawled out of an orange-colored geyropeskoy kodla zhopobludov. So if only stupidity to blurt out.
    6. Theophanes
      Theophanes 7 August 2013 16: 14 New
      14
      “Take only arms exports 5th place ...” And how many components does Russia supply to Ukraine? And how much does Russia order and buy from Ukraine? Which country buys more? If Russia refuses to supply components, then there will be no arms export. And whether she will purchase from Ukraine is a question.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 7 August 2013 16: 24 New
        +7
        Quote: Theophanes
        If Russia refuses to supply components, then there will be no arms export. And whether she will purchase from Ukraine is a question.

        You are looking at the root. drinks
      2. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 7 August 2013 16: 25 New
        +9
        Quote: Theophanes
        And how much does Russia order and buy from Ukraine? Which country buys more?

        If you are such a connoisseur of export-import operations in the field of armaments, let me remind you that in RUSSIA, about 7-10 years ago, production was already fully established to replace imported components of armaments. And orders for some enterprises of Zaporizhia, Dnepropetrovsk and in the Donetsk region go, sometimes to the detriment of Russian orders, to support Ukrainian partners in the former production cooperation. We will still be together ... therefore, we will not let friends go in peace with the amount ...
    7. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 7 August 2013 16: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: sribnuu
      Another bullshit! Take only the export of arms 5th place, agricultural products, etc. No one says that it’s good, but not fatal) Let’s an article about Russia! One joy oil that dies) wink

      Dear, it’s not on this rake that you stepped before writing your comment ... what’s on your avatar? ...
    8. Gecko
      Gecko 7 August 2013 22: 05 New
      +2
      Do not like oil and gas, ride in a horse-drawn cart and drown with dung.
  9. pensioner
    pensioner 7 August 2013 14: 05 New
    +9
    According to the laws of physics, energy does not appear from nowhere and does not disappear to nowhere.
    Well ... This is not about Ukraine! There are the laws of physics. And everything can disappear there: both liquid, and solid and gaseous ...
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 7 August 2013 14: 56 New
      +5
      Even Salo? Already import.
      1. Conepatus
        Conepatus 7 August 2013 15: 24 New
        10
        There is also fat. Only we have a lot of smart ass. In Ukrainian fat, there are more chemicals than in imported ones, but they break the price 2-3 times higher, motivating it with the type of “natural product.” You buy such fat, and there there’s even no taste. I’m not so patriotic as to support a domestic shit producer.
        Such fat, even the most hungry dog ​​will not eat, although she is hungry, she is not an enemy to herself.
        1. Stamp
          Stamp 7 August 2013 22: 22 New
          +5
          Quote: Conepatus
          . In Ukrainian fat, there are more chemicals of any kind than in imported, and the price is crushed 2-3 times higher, citing the fact that it’s like a “natural product.” You buy such fat, and there’s even no taste

          Recently I bought Spanish bacon in vacuum packaging in "selpo", shit completely gives off a sour taste. Not okay.
          And Ukrainian lard in the market depending on who you buy. It is necessary to choose with a slot and not very thick, however, there are no comrades for the taste and color.
        2. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 8 August 2013 14: 51 New
          0
          Conepatus then you get bullshit)
          We have garnet lard on local farms ... and pork too. But those who work on the grains, they feed shit and chemistry. Therefore, pork is 2 times cheaper than beef.
          Take from trusted manufacturers)
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 7 August 2013 15: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: Konsmo
        Even Salo? Already import.

        I do not exclude that my own is hidden. And imported is eaten without any pleasure. or bite and ... hide again.
        1. Sour
          Sour 7 August 2013 21: 31 New
          +1
          http://lenta.ru/news/2013/04/09/salo
  10. biglow
    biglow 7 August 2013 14: 05 New
    +6
    Reserves in the Crimea began to smash Kiev, it can no longer be restored, how they live in the last days ....
    1. xan
      xan 7 August 2013 16: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: biglow
      Reserves in the Crimea began to smash Kiev, it can no longer be restored as they live in the last days ..

      not yours - don't mind
      Raguli, they are in Africa Raguli
      not long for them
      1. biglow
        biglow 7 August 2013 17: 06 New
        +4
        that's just the point that not the. Therefore, they destroy it, even the historical Magarach vineyards went under a bulldozer, and the pre-revolutionary winery. The building in meter high stone walls was recorded as an emergency and demolished, and all this for the sake of the fence around the yanukovych cottage ... no words.
        1. Donetskiy
          Donetskiy 7 August 2013 19: 21 New
          +2
          And what exactly do the Sevastopol residents swallow silently? Why can you just hang around and compete in chauvinistic terades in all kinds of virtual garbage dumps like an outpost? Organize and go out on a common front against illegal development, show that you are and are not ready to put up with this gangster tyranny. And why actually Kiev if it is a shoblo from places with sleeping mounds?
          All this is not addressed specifically to you, but my message, I think, should be clear.
          Sincerely.
          1. biglow
            biglow 7 August 2013 20: 46 New
            +3
            Quote: Donetskiy
            And what exactly do the Sevastopol residents swallow silently? Why can you just hang around and compete in chauvinistic terades in all kinds of virtual garbage dumps like an outpost? Organize and go out on a common front against illegal development, show that you are and are not ready to put up with this gangster tyranny. And why actually Kiev if it is a shoblo from places with sleeping mounds?
            All this is not addressed specifically to you, but my message, I think, should be clear.
            Sincerely.

            I would have looked at you brave as you trample against the internal troops ....
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            2. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 8 August 2013 14: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: biglow
              I would look at you brave as you trample against the internal troops ...

              Have you tried?
  11. pensioner
    pensioner 7 August 2013 14: 12 New
    +4
    Coal and oil production fell by 7%, while gas production, although it increased, it was only 0,7%. , there is a continuous process of production decline - oil refining decreased by 43%, electricity production - by 4%. According to the results of June, the decline in metallurgy amounted to 7%, in engineering - 10%, in the chemical industry - 22%. Only the agricultural sector (thanks to a good harvest!) Continues to show growth, in fact, supporting the domestic economy afloat.
    Not so long ago, the situation in Ukraine was discussed at the Inosmi forum. So Ukrainians there gave completely different numbers. Like they are growing! In general, they are doing well and gas is not needed. Where is the truth?
    1. Fastblast
      Fastblast 7 August 2013 14: 31 New
      +2
      Here, by the way, to the grudge of the day.

      The situation in the meat market needs immediate intervention in connection with a decrease in purchase prices for young cattle.

      This was announced by the Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov during a meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine on Wednesday, the Government portal reports.

      “We will not observe how the livestock, increased by such efforts, will go under the knife?” An urgent need to intervene. There is every opportunity to rectify the situation, ”said the head of government.

      In particular, the Prime Minister drew the attention of the Ministry of Agrarian Policy and Food and the Ministry of Economic Development to the fact that recently there has been a somewhat negative trend in the meat market. According to him, today the purchase price for young cattle is 14 hryvnia 35 kopecks per kilogram of live weight. And in Ivano-Frankivsk, Khmelnitsky, Ternopil, Chernivtsi regions barely reaches 12 hryvnia. Compared to last year, the purchase markdown is already more than 12%, but this did not affect the reduction in retail prices.

      N. Azarov ordered to immediately analyze the balance of production and consumption of beef, as well as find out what meat products are made from, where and what quality imported meat comes from.

      “We will not allow“ dumping ”into Ukraine into what the European Union or Russia refuse. Everything needs to be carefully checked, ”the Prime Minister said.

      According to him, the Ministry of Agrarian Policy and the Ministry of Revenue should strengthen control over meat imports, to prevent dangerous and low-quality products from entering the Ukrainian market. On the other hand, the State Consumer Inspection should monitor compliance with state standards in the production of meat products.

      At the same time, the head of government instructed the Ministry of Agrarian Policy and the Ministry of Economic Development to develop long-term measures to stimulate the export of livestock products. Indeed, in his opinion, a significant expansion of the food supply opens up good prospects for increasing exports of meat and meat products.


      “We will not allow“ dumping ”into Ukraine into what the European Union or Russia refuse. Everything needs to be carefully checked, ”the Prime Minister said.

      And who allowed and why all the product slag flows to Ukraine?

      Want to know the truth?
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 7 August 2013 14: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: Fastblast
        Want to know the truth?

        Go ahead and tell me.
        1. Fastblast
          Fastblast 7 August 2013 15: 01 New
          +8
          So there is nothing to tell me))
          Our government tells everything, only their words must be perceived exactly the opposite!

          «We allowed "Dump" in Ukraine into what the European Union or Russia refuse. Everything needs to be carefully hidden, ”said the Prime Minister.
  12. piotr534
    piotr534 7 August 2013 14: 48 New
    +7
    Although the facts speak for themselves, I still don’t want to believe that the country's leadership is seriously ready to go on maintaining power at such a price. This is not only a question of sovereignty. With such a policy, we risk disappearing from the world map - first as an economic value, and then politically.
    Observing the situation in Ukraine for a long time, it becomes obvious that the choice of the European vector is not only the desire of the ruling elite, but also the will of the majority of the population of Ukraine. As they say, you won’t be forcibly sweet. Sometimes, when all the arguments are exhausted and the opponent failed to convince him we must be given the opportunity to make a mistake so that falling and hurt hard, he would look at his own way from a different angle and perhaps then understanding will come. That’s why the Kremlin waved his hand at Ukraine and wait for further developments, the arguments ended. The people of Ukraine should understand that in the Slavic unity of Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, our strength and prosperity because we are one blood.
    1. Border k
      Border k 8 August 2013 06: 44 New
      0
      Do not be naive! Do you really believe in these "democratic" tales that the people decide something? The people, from hopelessness, can go on a riot, but revolution is being made by completely different "comrades". By the way, your avatar is us - the people, sort of proud and independent, but with their heads and wings down. But this is my IMHO, maybe someone is wrong, who knows?
      1. piotr534
        piotr534 8 August 2013 15: 31 New
        0
        Do not be naive! Do you really believe in these "democratic" tales that the people decide something?
        Most likely you are naive. In principle, politics is based on the support of the electorate; people can be misled, but without their support there is no politics. The current state of affairs in Ukraine corresponds to the mood in Ukrainian society. My statements are the result of an analysis of events and not a reference to someone’s opinion.
        By the way, your avatar is us - the people, sort of proud and independent, but with their heads and wings down.
        My avatar does not symbolize anything. And by the way, this is not an eagle but a Steller's sea eagle, photo from Sakhalin. And it’s not at all necessary to discuss personality issues!hi
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    1. ATATA
      ATATA 7 August 2013 14: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: sribnuu
      According to the Ministry of Economic Development, Russia's GDP fell by 7% in the first quarter.

      Give the source to the studio?
      And indicate the year.
  14. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 7 August 2013 14: 57 New
    14
    It’s sad to read all this .... Ukraine is remembered during the USSR was one of the richest (if not the most ..) republics ... agriculture, and what industry was !!! And I remember Kiev as it sounded .. (ancient powerful city) .. Yes, things eh ..
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 7 August 2013 19: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I remember Ukraine during the USSR was one of the richest (if not the most ..) republics ... agriculture, and what industry was !!!

      I already wrote about my impressions about 5 times. 80s Ukraine - it was the WORLD industrial giant. With advanced science. Both industry and fundamental. It was breathtaking when everything IT saw! With the environment, of course, it was not very. In places. But what a power! I remember in DonNIICherMeTe there was an all-union conference of young scientists in 1987. I left there with an inferiority complex. Ukrainian guys SUCH there reported. I was shocked. Then for the first time I heard the word "product" ...
  15. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 7 August 2013 15: 03 New
    +7
    And where are the screams about the damned Russians who are not letting the Ukrainian people live? In truth, it is not Russia that should beg Ukraine to join the CU, but Ukraine should beg to accept it on its knees because let's say it right Ukraine is a ballast that will hang on your neck or the EU but there’s no fools there, it’s one thing to keep a carrot in front of your nose and put another thing in the house, or a vehicle headed by Russia, although as an option, we will divide Ukraine into the eastern part, and western Europe with all kinds of scum like OUN and Polish jackals All Romania is also plucked off a bit. Of course, you can tear a vest, they say it won’t happen, maybe it won’t, or maybe it will. In any case, it’s time to reap the bitter harvest that was so diligently sown in Ukraine.
  16. individual
    individual 7 August 2013 15: 14 New
    +7
    I remember Ukraine was called the granary of the USSR.
    What happens if the former greatness of Ukraine in the modern "market" must artificially limit its food and fuel and energy consumption for survival?
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 7 August 2013 15: 37 New
      +8
      If Ukraine steps on the EU, it will most likely be given a loan and they will be another 10 years or less, it will be eaten up. It will be like with the Baltic states. I thought they were blooming and smelling there. It turns out that next year European subsidies will cease, and this is 30 percent of the budget. It will be pi .... They wrote about Lithuania, and the rest? The Greeks are already tormented, and how many are there, Ukraine is 40 million or more, and who will the Germans feed them? I doubt it.
    2. vkrav
      vkrav 7 August 2013 15: 48 New
      +7
      What happens, what happens ... sugar is imported from Belarus, fat is imported from Brazil, and black soil with Chinese are paid for the loan.
    3. Stamp
      Stamp 7 August 2013 22: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: individ
      I remember Ukraine was called the granary of the USSR.

      Yes, with a grain harvest this year a record.

      The Ukrainian Ministry of Agriculture raised the forecast for grain harvest in 2013
      According to forecasts of the Ministry of Agrarian Policy and Food of Ukraine, grain harvest in this year will make more than 57 million tons against the previously forecasted 56 million tons. This was announced on August 1 by the Minister of Agrarian Policy and Food Nikolay Prisyazhnyuk, the press service of the Ministry of Agriculture said.
      In particular, he said, the projected gross harvest of corn will be over 28 million tons.
      At the same time, the head of the Ministry of Agriculture noted that by that date, farmers with 90% of the planned harvesting area of ​​early grain and leguminous crops collected 28 million tons of grain. The average yield is 29,8 kg / ha, which is 5 kg / ha more than last year.
      “I want to note that this year we were able to ensure a higher pace of the harvesting campaign compared to previous years. And the cleaning will be completed as soon as possible, ”N. Prisyazhnyuk summed up.

      http://www.apk-inform.com/ru/harvest2012/1019511#.UgKO69KGFiM
      1. vkrav
        vkrav 8 August 2013 11: 59 New
        0
        It’s just that Julia introduced the Geyropei grain quality standards in accordance with which our highest quality grain is sold as fodder ... I don’t know how things are now, but Crimean grain farmers in the past year threatened to pour grain on the road if they did not raise purchase prices . Elevators were humbly bought at the root by amers. Only in Sevastopol were two large grain terminals - one Akhmetovsky Avlita, another built in Kamysh and built a whole village of Sumy to serve it. flour infected with the fungus. Continue? So the granary, yes, only whose? Arabs and the Middle East?
  17. patriot464
    patriot464 7 August 2013 15: 25 New
    11
    Rushing at the end of the 20th century, when the world is redistributed three times, to create a state where it has not been for a thousand years and only villains or fools can count on independence.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 7 August 2013 15: 38 New
      +8
      Quote: patriot464
      only villains or fools can count on independence.

      Scoundrels do not count on independence. They expect to grab as much as possible, and then at least the grass does not grow.
  18. Docent1984
    Docent1984 7 August 2013 15: 34 New
    14
    Time to throw stones, time to collect stones. Americans really like to share small-shaven peoples ... The main misconception is when Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are called fraternal peoples. This is not true. This is one people with ethnic subgroups. I myself have Ukrainian roots, but I was born and raised in the Rostov region. So in my places the overwhelming majority speaks Surzhik, and in the neighboring Lugansk and Donetsk regions almost entirely in Russian. Do not confuse the Little Russians with the Galicians. These are two big differences. Unfortunately, the latter have occupied all the leading positions in government agencies and now the tail is twisting the dog. In Ukraine, in fact, there are almost no real politicians who are independent. Taxis and small-town propolis clans. To tears, it is insulting sometimes. And the fact that part of our people was separated by cordons is our common fault and common misfortune. Russians have never abandoned their ...
    1. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 7 August 2013 16: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Docent1984
      Time to throw stones, time to collect stones

      This is true! In my opinion, the time to collect stones is on the way. Our brothers, the Slavs, were fed up with self-sufficiency ... It is bitter for their taste ... And more and more the people of Ukraine are beginning to realize this. Only the "zapadentsy" do not understand ... and the majority of the large economic elite (they are afraid that they will not withstand competition in an open struggle with Russian business and they will remain with nothing).
      There will be rapprochement ... but as if not on the basis of a split in the country ... otherwise, God forbid, a warm resolution of their problems ...
  19. HAIFISCH
    HAIFISCH 7 August 2013 15: 43 New
    +7
    They torn Ukraine away from us, in the near future it is hardly possible to return it to the wing, most likely it will be possible only either as a result of propaganda of the population with examples of our real successes in the economy, or at least relative stability otherwise it makes no sense, or as a result of some capital social. upheavals when the people already have patience finally burst, if so then the fraternal people all the worst is yet to come. Ultimately, if Ukraine follows the path of European integration and rural households are destroyed, machine-building will essentially lose its sovereignty because a state that produces nothing is no longer a state but a territory.
    1. MG42
      MG42 8 August 2013 01: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: HAIFISCH
      most likely this will be possible only either as a result of propaganda of the population with examples of our real successes in the economy, well, or at least relative stability otherwise it makes no sense, or as a result of some kind of capital social. upheavals when the people already have patience finally burst, if so then the brotherly people all the worst is yet to come

      Russia is doing little for the unification process, they are already used to the gas valve here. There are no real political forces in Russia and Ukraine that advocate unification, since the Communist Party is being fed from the hands of the party of regions, in the coalition they are pro-government, the Russian polit. product on UKR TV no.

      Quote: HAIFISCH
      Ultimately, if Ukraine follows the path of European integration and rural households are destroyed, machine-building will essentially lose its sovereignty because a state that produces nothing is no longer a state but a territory.

      Only low-tech goods and raw materials can be exported to the West, which Ukraine can export and export, grain, rapeseed, metal, sunflower oil, confectionery, etc.

      An example is needed, but with Belarus the project of the union state will not go to the finish line because Putin and Lukashenko will not decide which of them is more important in one future country ..
  20. artem772
    artem772 7 August 2013 15: 51 New
    0
    And now, dear public, a little about who the author of the article is Viktor Medvedchuk:

    V. Medvedchuk is the son of a Ukrainian policeman who was exiled to Siberia (Medvedchuk's father was responsible for forcibly sending Ukrainian youth to work in Germany), who, in order to make a career, became a police informer, and later a police lawyer. He was the commander of the Komsomol operational detachment of the voluntary people's squad. In 1974, together with other Komsomol members-vigilantes, he was prosecuted for beating a minor. Participated in trials of Ukrainian dissidents.

    1980 - appointed by the police, despite the disagreement of the defendant, the lawyer of the Ukrainian dissident poet - Vasily Stus. Not defended, but demanded to condemn the poet. Stus received the maximum punishment (10 years of special regime camps and 5 years of exile) and did not return from prison.

    1992 - Founder of the Ukrainian-Israeli company VIM, which specialized in facilitating the opening of accounts in offshore zones.

    1998-2007 - Chairman of the SDPU (o) party, which supported the election of President of Ukraine L. Kuchma in the 1999 elections, and V. Yanukovych in 2004.

    2002-2004 - Head of the Administration of President Kuchma. The author of such an “invention” as “temniks” is secret instructions to reporters on what and in which context they should make public. The author of the “dual server” technology - large-scale falsification of election results.

    V. Medvedchuk is a godfather of both Moscow rulers - V. Putin and D. Medvedev. Consistently upholds the ideas of federalization (collapse) of Ukraine, the second state language - Russian, Ukraine’s entry into the Common Economic Space and the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia.
    1. Fastblast
      Fastblast 7 August 2013 16: 08 New
      +4
      In short - "your boyfriend"! )))
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 7 August 2013 16: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: artem772
      Consistently upholds the ideas of federalization (collapse) of Ukraine, the second state language - Russian, Ukraine’s entry into the Common Economic Space and the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia.

      Thank you!
      I see there is something to respect.
      And whatever the collapse, join the TS for one. What do you think your language will be infringed on, or how will the Zionists the Bolsheviks starve to death?
      How many "%" Jews in Lviv?
      Quote: artem772
      V. Medvedchuk - the son of an exiled Ukrainian policeman to Siberia

      "The son is not responsible for the father" (C) And. Stalin
      1. Conepatus
        Conepatus 7 August 2013 16: 49 New
        +5
        How many "%" Jews in Lviv?

        Все. hi
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 7 August 2013 19: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Conepatus
          Все.

          So they are the most consistent supporters of the independence.
          Draw conclusions brothers. On whose mill of independence you pour water. hi
      2. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 8 August 2013 15: 00 New
        0
        Quote: ATATA
        How many "%" Jews in Lviv?

        almost gone
    3. vkrav
      vkrav 7 August 2013 16: 22 New
      +2
      “Announce, pzhalst, the whole list!” (C) And what, in the power circles of Ukraine there are others?
    4. Vlad_Mir
      Vlad_Mir 7 August 2013 16: 23 New
      +6
      Perhaps everything you write is true. But the truth is that the country's economy is dying. And I don’t really care who finally kills her: Tymoshenko, Yanukovych, Azarov, Medvedchuk .... More important is another: who in Ukraine can really do something! I do not observe such persons. If you look at the opposition - you want to laugh, you look at the government - you want to burst into tears!
    5. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 7 August 2013 16: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: artem772
      a little about who the author of the article is Viktor Medvedchuk:

      ... you don’t know much about Medvedchuk ... much!
      But I didn’t find any crime in transferring his “merits”. There is, of course, from the point of view of a "national-Svidomo Ukrainian" ... as a lawyer for political prisoner V. STUSYA ... that STUSYA who did everything possible to break up the USSR ... Here, your anger at exposing Medvedchuk sounds like an alarm ...
    6. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 8 August 2013 14: 59 New
      0
      I put you +, but ...
      Quote: artem772
      defends the idea of ​​federalization (collapse) of Ukraine

      I do not agree with this. Federalization is necessary.
      Quote: artem772
      , the second state language - Russian

      I see nothing wrong with that
      Quote: artem772
      Ukraine’s entry into the Common Economic Space and the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia.

      I agree, but not now. Now there are many problems of their own, and joining the CU will not solve them.
  21. core
    core 7 August 2013 16: 07 New
    +3
    COMRADE who wrote the article clearly flatter the Ukrainian state and its policies, (we risk disappearing from the world map - at first as an economic value, and then politically.) The economy will not go anywhere, there are people means there is consumption and what kind of production, but politically Ukraine long disappeared from the world map.
  22. Donetskiy
    Donetskiy 7 August 2013 16: 45 New
    -16
    The closer the signing of the FTZ agreement with the EU, the louder the biased champions of taiga unions; in the headlines, Ukraine appears in almost every second article. This information noise can be passed by ears.
    1. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 7 August 2013 16: 52 New
      +7
      Quote: Donetskiy
      in the headlines, Ukraine appears in almost every second article.

      ... whoever hurts, he says that ...
      My soul really hurts for the fate of the people of Ukraine ...
      And you?
      1. Donetskiy
        Donetskiy 7 August 2013 17: 28 New
        -8
        It is not indifferent, but this does not mean that it is worth pouring crocodile tears on the forums, there is no doom, it is enough to start taking the right steps and the situation will begin to change after the first half year. And for this we need statists, people who go to bed and wake up with the thought of Ukraine and its citizens. In turn, this takes time, so that the real elite grows, and not the current pseudo, which in its absolute majority is anti-people in essence, but holding power. Moreover, the new generation already exists, but it needs the ability to realize itself for the good of the country and people, and the oligarchy is not vitally interested in this and will be fully guided by the interests of the family, clan, group. In general, it is confused, but somewhere so I see the situation.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 7 August 2013 19: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: Donetskiy
          And for this we need statists, people who go to bed and wake up with the thought of Ukraine and its citizens.

          Surname, at least one name?
          Quote: Donetskiy
          In general, it is confused, but somewhere so I see the situation.

          And it always has been! Therefore, V_Ukainen has been independent for 1 years for 000 years! Of these, 30 are a gift to Russia in recent history and Svidomo again EVERYTHING shit!
    2. mogus
      mogus 7 August 2013 17: 06 New
      +2
      We are concerned about what will happen to the fraternal people and the country after the signing of the FTZ. And you? Or "frost evil ears frost" ...
    3. Stamp
      Stamp 7 August 2013 22: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: Donetskiy
      The closer the signing of the FTZ agreement with the EU, the louder the biased champions of taiga unions; in the headlines, Ukraine appears in almost every second article. This information noise can be passed by ears.

      You can skip it but it’s stupid, since nothing just happens, some Ukrainian manufacturers have already felt for themselves.
      The Russian market is quite capacious and for many Ukrainian producers it will close after signing this agreement. Yanukovych will have a difficult choice in the fall. It will not be possible to sit on 2 chairs further, and Russia and the EU have not ambiguously stated this.
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  24. viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 7 August 2013 17: 04 New
    +3
    “If money is being washed out of the country, then there must be some kind of compensation mechanism. And it exists. First, the people are objectively poorer. His wealth, his savings become fuel, burned for the further work of an inefficient economy.” Yes, our benefactors of politics regularly and recently more and more inventively come up with ways to take money from the population.
  25. desiscia
    desiscia 7 August 2013 17: 05 New
    0
    "author" Viktor Medvedchuk - Kum Putin?
    1. Moon
      Moon 8 August 2013 00: 57 New
      0
      And what, in Ukraine there are still those who are not in the know? repeat


      In 2004, Medvedchuk baptized his daughter, Putin - godmother, Medvedev - godmother.
  26. knn54
    knn54 7 August 2013 17: 15 New
    +9
    Interestingly, our oligarchs rush to Europe, and drag us there. And sweets and pipes are sold to the countries of the CU.
    After joining the vehicle, nothing will change immediately, but the price of gas will fall. The production of the same pipes, according to the same oligarchs, will be cost-effective. Although accounts abroad, children and real estate - in the same place ...
    ALWAYS and EVERYTHING is paid by the people. Each decree is the desire to DEPTH deeper into the pocket of an ordinary citizen. And what do we want from a prosperous union of corruption with corrupt justice.
    THERE IS NO RESCUE FROM THIEVES IN AUTHORITY EXCEPT FOR RADICAL MEASURES. And where to find those who arrest, suspend and ask in all severity? And time is running out.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 7 August 2013 21: 06 New
      0
      Quote: knn54
      And sweets and pipes are sold to the countries of the CU.

      Enlighten Dear. What kind of pipes are we talking about? If for the main gas pipelines, then probably the Khartsiz plant? But as soon as 7 years I did not meet them new. All our relatives: Izhora, Vyksa, Chelyabinsk, and some others. Yes, there is import. But I didn’t see Ukrainian ... I came across old stocks, literally a few. And I’ve seen them for 7 years, it’s scary to imagine how much.
  27. zveroboy61
    zveroboy61 7 August 2013 17: 28 New
    +7
    In my opinion, Ukraine as a state has ceased to exist. The law is one, by concepts. The only way out is
    federalization of the state (the one that is). And getting into the EU is a "caput", stagnation and sucks of everything.
  28. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 7 August 2013 17: 40 New
    +3
    Brothers-Ukrainians you are an independent state and you can even join the European Union, even the African Union .. even NATO .. ​​We Slavs and our peoples have lived together for more than one thousand years .. It’s just that your politicians will slaughter our people live without anesthesia .. Your right! We will now be "partners" ...
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    2. ATATA
      ATATA 7 August 2013 19: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      We Slavs and our peoples have lived together for more than one thousand years ..

      I would put "+" if not for this phrase. We are not just Slavs, we are all Russian.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 8 August 2013 15: 03 New
        0
        Quote: ATATA
        We are not just Slavs, we are all Russian.

        Well, I'm not Russian, so what?
  29. val77
    val77 7 August 2013 18: 53 New
    -10
    I wonder why all komenty scattered come down to one so that Ukraine entered the taiga unions. They don’t live without our sweets or they want their customs not to check when traveling to Crimea for a vacation :-)).
    A handful of patriotic grief has gathered and tears are pouring heavily as brothers Ukrainians, and join the customs union all the earthly goods will be yours :-). Articles come up with a drop in production, and a general analysis of world production that can’t be laid out ..
    1. Donetskiy
      Donetskiy 7 August 2013 19: 09 New
      -8
      These are all phantom pains and imperial complexes, but in fact, unsuspecting they are defending their position. oligarchy who would have crushed Ukraine. In turn, our domestic (his mother) oligarchy resists this and seeks happiness in a foreign land)) That rare case when the interests of the oligarchy coincided with the interests of the state.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 7 August 2013 19: 55 New
        +4
        Quote: Donetskiy
        The rare case when the interests of the oligarchy coincided with the interests of the state

        Yes, that's right.
        That's just the interests of the so-called state V_ukrainen do not coincide with the interests of the people living in this territory.
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      1. Donetskiy
        Donetskiy 7 August 2013 19: 25 New
        -5
        Dreams zaputintsev nourished, the Russian Federation out of hundreds going to pick up?
  30. michajlo
    michajlo 7 August 2013 19: 05 New
    +1
    Dear SysAdmin!
    But what is it, already after the recording of the Comment, and its sending out = the result of "cookie"? And the "Send" icon - appeared and there were "Error Messages".
    Where am I making mistakes or is something wrong with you? After all, do not write down each typed text in the article before a “Sending” in a separate text editor (gedit), and then again Sending again!?
    . OS_RERemix. 6.2, browser Mozilla.
    1. Donetskiy
      Donetskiy 7 August 2013 19: 10 New
      +2
      Can I clean cookies?
    2. biglow
      biglow 7 August 2013 19: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: michajlo
      Dear SysAdmin!
      But what is it, already after the recording of the Comment, and its sending out = the result of "cookie"? And the "Send" icon - appeared and there were "Error Messages".
      Where am I making mistakes or is something wrong with you? After all, do not write down each typed text in the article before a “Sending” in a separate text editor (gedit), and then again Sending again!?
      . OS_RERemix. 6.2, browser Mozilla.

      this software is buggy, clean cookies
  31. pensioner
    pensioner 7 August 2013 19: 17 New
    +4
    Quote: artem772
    1980 - appointed by the police, despite the disagreement of the defendant, the lawyer of the Ukrainian dissident poet - Vasily Stus. Not defended, but demanded to condemn the poet. Stus received the maximum punishment (10 years of special regime camps and 5 years of exile) and did not return from prison.

    After that I respected him even more. Well done.
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  32. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 7 August 2013 19: 42 New
    +3
    Quote: val77
    I wonder why all komenty scattered come down to one so that Ukraine entered the taiga unions. They don’t live without our sweets or they want their customs not to check when traveling to Crimea for a vacation :-)).
    A handful of patriotic grief has gathered and tears are pouring heavily as brothers Ukrainians, and join the customs union all the earthly goods will be yours :-). Articles come up with a drop in production, and a general analysis of world production that can’t be laid out ..

    You shouldn’t do it in such a way .. We don’t need your sugar or sweets .. Our peoples have simply grown together too kindred .. you (or rather your politicians) wave us a mace and threaten to turn our backs to the west .. (excuse me for such an expression) there are many Ukrainians (I have a wife (the first truth) is Ukrainian ..) Well, you will enter the EU and then you will begin to insist on us (like Georgia) for each loan .. we will have to work out .. We don’t want to do this .. the persecution will begin for our peoples ( the Poles will try) .. These are the things ..
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 7 August 2013 20: 06 New
      -1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      It’s just that our peoples have grown too closely related.

      Yes, we did not grow together MIHAN!
      You will get this big / Zionisky bike out of your head!
      WE ARE ONE PEOPLE BUT SEPARATED !!!!
      While you say that we are kindred peoples, you pour water on our mill ENEMIES!
      ps On the right side of the Dnieper really in the majority other people live, so take them into a new union DO NOT!
      High fell into the geyropu, okromya Odessa.
  33. michajlo
    michajlo 7 August 2013 19: 47 New
    0
    Quote: biglow
    Quote: michajlo
    Dear SysAdmin!
    But what is it, already after the recording of the Comment, and its sending out = the result of "cookie"? ...
    . OS_RERemix. 6.2, browser Mozilla.

    this software is buggy, clean cookies

    Please explain: In OS_Linux, and "clear cookies_s"? I met such advice for the first time. Thanks, I'll try, unsubscribe.
    And on other sites, never in Linux or in WinHP, have you noticed this?
    Regarding cleaning the OS, I regularly (for 2-4 weeks) clean it with bleachbit.
    1. biglow
      biglow 7 August 2013 20: 29 New
      0
      [quote = michajlo] [quote = biglow] [quote = michajlo] Dear SysAdmin!
      But what is it, already after the recording of the Comment, and its sending out = the result of "cookie"? ...
      . OS_RERemiks.6.2, the browser Mozilla. [/ Quote]
      this software is buggy, clean the cookies [/ quote]
      Please explain: In OS_Linux, and "clear cookies_s"? I met such advice for the first time. Thank,
      I'll try, unsubscribe.
      There is a cache in any operating system, and you have a problem. This is either the browser cache or the OS cache is full. It all depends on your laptop and how it works with RAM.
      Clearing cache and Temr folders usually helps

      1. michajlo
        michajlo 9 August 2013 17: 19 New
        0
        Good afternoon, dear biglow!
        I checked all your tips and other possible "tricks" to reduce congestion when using the Mozilla browser. The result is not deceiving ... In Linux (Ubuntu 10.04 LTSb 12.04 LTS, RERemix 6.2) the CPU utilization (less memory) as indicated by the load monitor is much higher than in VINHP_32 and VINHP_64. Moreover, in REREMIX 6.2, the load when using Mozilla is somewhat less than in Ubuntu.
        Cleaning Cache, tmp - no effect, besides all the OSs I have are on similar Sist. Sections = 22,070GB (with different OS sizes from 4,0 to 5,0GB).
        My assumption that most web pages are optimized for OS_Vindovs-XX is confirmed by the fact that when opening web pages in WinXP_XX, CPU congestion is only occasionally when opening 30-40 or more web pages!
        Whereas in different Linux, OS congestion starts from 4-6 and on some web pages and from the 1st page (topwar.ru) crying
        I am writing this message from VinHP_64 and here the OS congestion appears only briefly when opening a new table / web page in the browser.
        Another possible reason is that "problems with hardware" begin to show themselves, but this is not likely when the behavior of the WinXP_XX and Linux operating systems is visible when viewing the Internet.
        Thank you again for your advice and desire to help!
  34. Jet blackbird
    Jet blackbird 7 August 2013 19: 50 New
    +3
    Ukraine was "occupied" by crime led by Vito Corleone. National interests are sold "wholesale and retail," and there was no other reason to expect from the mafia, they are bandits and bandits in Africa. Until the people get up and give them an "ass", nothing will change ..... unfortunately.
  35. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 7 August 2013 19: 52 New
    +2
    It seems to me that Ukrainians forget (or do not know) that the West included Ukraine in the buffer zone against Russia (not the government but the people). Russia has always been the foundation of the Russian world, of which Ukraine is a part. The West has always sought to destroy it, especially in the person of the Anglo-Saxons. The fate of the buffer zone is visible on the example of the Baltic states, they do not decide everything (they occupy one tank from each other, the strength is an indicator of independence). We even began to understand this, although domestic policy is also not very good. But there is still hope, but Ukraine does not even have it (abandoning the Russian world, itself).
  36. Shumer
    Shumer 7 August 2013 20: 32 New
    +4
    Ukraine is the greatest and most powerful state, since for more than 20 years of total plundering, brazen robbery of the state with global corruption, not every state can stand it, but we still continue to exist no matter what, and there is still something to steal and take out over the hill wink
    1. Moon
      Moon 8 August 2013 00: 52 New
      +2
      Not every state has inherited such an inheritance from the "invaders."
  37. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 7 August 2013 20: 43 New
    0
    Quote: ATATA
    Quote: MIKHAN
    It’s just that our peoples have grown too closely related.

    Yes, we did not grow together MIHAN!
    You will get this big / Zionisky bike out of your head!
    WE ARE ONE PEOPLE BUT SEPARATED !!!!
    While you say that we are kindred peoples, you pour water on our mill ENEMIES!
    ps On the right side of the Dnieper really in the majority other people live, so take them into a new union DO NOT!
    High fell into the geyropu, okromya Odessa.

    Honestly, I didn’t understand what you wanted to say ... (right-hand left Dnieper .. Is it looking north or south ??? or east or west..And why Odessa can’t be a geyevropu Ukrainian city like .. In general, I got confused. .. And most importantly, what kind of mill and who are our enemies .. ??
    1. Donetskiy
      Donetskiy 7 August 2013 20: 59 New
      +1
      forget it, in his head cockroaches scrape along the walls, he arrives in some of his fabricated matrix. There is no point in discussing with such people; they need to sympathize and heal with a good current.
    2. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 8 August 2013 15: 09 New
      0
      Atat comments always amuse me. Especially like this one.
      it simply doesn’t fit in a person’s brain that an eastern Ukrainian is much closer to a western one than a Russian to half of the nationalities living in Russia
  38. Algor73
    Algor73 7 August 2013 21: 10 New
    +8
    I am Ukrainian, I live in Ukraine. But the article is correct. It gets worse every year. I work (formerly served) in the public sector. This is happening - the mind is inconceivable. Corruption is higher than the roof, bribes are everywhere (to doctors, teachers, educators, other clerks, when applying for jobs in the public sector, etc.). Production is falling. I do not see the real action of the authorities. Rather, the actions are obvious - raiding, kickbacks, etc. I am a patriot, I love my country, but I do not see prospects for the prosperity of the state. We need the EU, like a fifth wheel cart, they will never accept us there, we are a buffer zone and, moreover, convenient. One must be realistic.
    1. Sour
      Sour 7 August 2013 21: 45 New
      +2
      1) As a source of raw materials, Ukraine is of little interest to Europe, because There are almost no scarce types of raw materials in Ukraine.
      2) As a source of rabsila is also not interesting, due to the low birth rate. Yes, and it is not necessary to accept a country in the EU for the migration of workers. This is already in full swing. There are plenty of Vietnamese and Latinos in Europe, although no one has accepted Vietnam or Mexico to the EU.
      3) Ukraine is not interested in Europe as a market for goods because of the low purchasing power of the population.
      And the prospects for the EU itself are vague. The share of Europe in world industrial production is slowly, but for a long time and steadily declining. EU food dependence is growing. At the moment, the European Union is the largest importer of food in the world.
      What problems did Bulgaria solve by joining the EU? Yes, I didn’t decide.
    2. Selevc
      Selevc 7 August 2013 22: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Algor73
      We need the EU, like a fifth wheel cart, they will never accept us there, we are a buffer zone and, moreover, convenient. One must be realistic.

      So no one says that Ukraine will ever be admitted to the EU !!! Association with the EU is just a way to make serious Russian-Ukrainian unions and agreements impossible in the foreseeable future !!! Russia together with Ukraine is a great power, and without Ukraine-no !!! (Zbigniew Brzezinski)
      Turkey has been in Association with the EU for 50 years - so what? When they tried to become a full member of the EU, they were shown to them from London and Brussels in their place in the dressing room !!! The same thing will happen with Ukraine - Ukrainian goods and Ukrainians themselves in Europe are not needed by anyone - that’s how a stash from the country for any LGBT scum will be done!
  39. GEO
    GEO 7 August 2013 21: 31 New
    0
    Quote: Papakiko
    Quote: Sakhalininets
    to look sadly at the fact that Ukraine is falling deeper and deeper into debt bondage and liberal dances to the tune of the Phasington Regional Committee and the gayrope kodla zhopobludov.

    To speed up the orientation process, one can “deport” highly paid “specialists” of Ukrainian nationality from Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Komi, Krasnoyarsk Territory and Yakutia and Ukraine and Crimea will write off to Russia in the 2 month and not become a member of the CU but Mordovia or Chuvashia or Udmurtia. wink
    Ek was angry at me. Well, it’s because I’m tired of observing, hearing and seeing the “howling-howls-yelling” associated with the “non-judgmental”.
    Although, of course, Russians will sit in vacated posts (and this is not one thousand seats), and the latter is especially warm. wink
    I recalled an example from Amway Taras and Irina Demkura from the Ternopol region (the breadbasket of UNA-UNSO) of Ukraine.
    http://amway-korona.ru/taras-i-irina-demkura.html
    One of these citizens will begin to prune the Amway branches and begin to sing differently. wink

    Absolutely agree!
  40. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 7 August 2013 21: 41 New
    +3
    Quote: Algor73
    I am Ukrainian, I live in Ukraine. But the article is correct. It gets worse every year. I work (formerly served) in the public sector. This is happening - the mind is inconceivable. Corruption is higher than the roof, bribes are everywhere (to doctors, teachers, educators, other clerks, when applying for jobs in the public sector, etc.). Production is falling. I do not see the real action of the authorities. Rather, the actions are obvious - raiding, kickbacks, etc. I am a patriot, I love my country, but I do not see prospects for the prosperity of the state. We need the EU, like a fifth wheel cart, they will never accept us there, we are a buffer zone and, moreover, convenient. One must be realistic.

    We have these problems, too, get your roofs .... We Slavs were always pitted before .. and you will become "partners" .. there will be a "mother do not worry" ..
  41. Sour
    Sour 7 August 2013 22: 00 New
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    Not very long ago, this summer, on the website "Bugnet", one giant killed me with a comment on a photograph from the Kemerovo region. He called this area a "dull depressed region."
    No one suggested this Svidomo donkey that the "depressed" Kemerovo region produces three times more coal than all of Ukraine combined. And he hardly knows about the numerous metallurgical enterprises of the region.
    And this is very characteristic. A significant part of the population of Ukraine is trying hard to believe in fairy tales about Russia, which it itself invents. A kind of psychological defense. Delusions about Russia are an essential part of Ukrainian national identity. Or maybe the only part.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 7 August 2013 23: 44 New
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      Quote: Sour
      And he hardly knows about the numerous metallurgical enterprises of the region.

      Really and about ZSMK did not hear ??
  42. Stamp
    Stamp 7 August 2013 22: 03 New
    +4
    The problem is further exacerbated in the context of the possible accession of Ukraine to the Free Trade Zone with the EU. Using that period, while they will still give us money, European producers, having gained access to the Ukrainian market, will be in a hurry to sell their goods here.

    The problem is also compounded by the fact that the Russian market for Ukrainian producers may substantially narrow, for example, as a “warning” about the possible signing of a free trade zone with the EU, there has recently been a ban on selling Ukrainian chocolate. producer "Roshen", now one of the top topics in the Ukrainian media.

    They warn that Ukrainian engineering will also suffer.

    And in Poland, meanwhile, farmers are protesting against cheap Ukrainian rapeseed.

    Nevertheless, I would not paint a picture only in black tones, since in Ukraine this year a record grain harvest of more than 56 million tons, about 26 million will be exported.

    However, this year Ukraine’s maximum payments for servicing its public debt, i.e. the entire surplus of the country's foreign trade balance of payments is leveled out by just payments on servicing the state debt.
  43. shpuntik
    shpuntik 7 August 2013 22: 15 New
    +4
    I want to wish the Slavic brothers from Ukraine good luck, sober up and somehow change the situation for rapprochement with Russia. Maybe one more Maidan can be done to change the government, maybe something else, I don’t know. But if we are apart, they will tear us apart.
  44. PValery53
    PValery53 7 August 2013 23: 17 New
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    Oh, this Ukraine! .. How many cockroaches in their heads! ..
  45. Moon
    Moon 8 August 2013 00: 48 New
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    Quote: artem772
    And now, dear public, a little about who the author of the article is Viktor Medvedchuk:

    V. Medvedchuk is the son of a Ukrainian policeman exiled to Siberia (Medvedchuk's father was responsible for forcibly sending Ukrainian youth to work in Germany)

    Bullshit. Medvedchuk's father was not a policeman. He was not taken to the war because of a physical disability; in childhood, he suffered from tuberculosis of bones.
    By the way, Medvedchuk himself never refused this fact.

    "My father was a member of the organization of Ukrainian nationalists, he was arrested in 1944, he was given 8 years for anti-Soviet agitation and 5 years of exile. In 1953, his mother came to Siberia to him, in 1954 I was born."

    Quote: artem772
    who, in order to make a career, became a police informer

    this is called OBS (one woman said)

    Quote: artem772
    1980 - appointed by the police, despite the disagreement of the defendant, the lawyer of the Ukrainian dissident poet - Vasily Stus. Not defended, but demanded to condemn the poet. Stus received the maximum punishment (10 years of special regime camps and 5 years of exile) and did not return from prison.

    Ahh, so you are from Svidomo ... they just come from the foam because of their Stus.
    In fact, it would be surprising if Medvedchuk won the process against the state. Don't you think?

    Quote: artem772
    2002-2004 - Head of the Administration of President Kuchma. The author of such an “invention” as “temniks” is secret instructions to reporters what and in which context they should make public.

    Well, for sure Svidomo.
    And the most interesting thing, there is no Medvedchuk, but you can’t read a good word about Russia / Putin or the TS in ukroSMI. But secret instructions to journalists, of course, have nothing to do with it.

    Quote: artem772

    V. Medvedchuk ............ Consistently upholds the ideas of federalization (collapse) of Ukraine

    It is impossible to destroy what has never been and WILL NOT be one. Unitary Ukraine is fantastic.
  46. MG42
    MG42 8 August 2013 01: 12 New
    +3
    About Putin and Medvedchuk. This is still for 2012 July .. >>
    Putin visited the goddaughter in Crimea LifeNews.ru (c) The Russian president visited his godmother and her father, the ex-head of Ukraine’s AP, Viktor Medvedchuk, who advocates joining the Customs Union.
    After the meeting of the interstate commission, the presidents of the two countries continued to chat over an informal dinner in one of the restaurants in Crimea. The meal and conversation lasted several hours. But before leaving, the head of state stopped by Viktor Medvedchuk, leader of the Ukrainian Choice social movement.

  47. yustas
    yustas 8 August 2013 06: 30 New
    +2
    Maybe it’s not a topic, but guys, everyone is writing here, Ukrainians are Belarusian Belarusians, like a pancake, we all live in the same house, just on different floors. We were divided to make it weaker, but we all bite now and bite, our floor is higher, our floor is cooler, yes .... mother in God’s soul, it’s time to collect stones as in the proverb ....
  48. deman73
    deman73 8 August 2013 09: 38 New
    -2
    In my opinion, the moment will come when Ukraine as a state will cease to exist with everything, that the Psheks will grab something, the Belarusians will depart, well, we
  49. shkil2010
    shkil2010 8 August 2013 11: 07 New
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    There has never been and never will be an ocean between Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, and we will always depend on each other. There would be fewer corrupt politicians here and there ...
  50. Peter Vasilievich
    Peter Vasilievich 8 August 2013 11: 13 New
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    It seems that at such a pace Ukraine in forty years will disappear not only from the economic, but also from the political map of the world within its current borders.