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Andrei Epifantsev: Strategic Alliance of Armenia and Russia in Question

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Andrei Epifantsev: Strategic Alliance of Armenia and Russia in Question

So far, the Armenian "European integrators" are talking about European values, imperialistic ways of a big, evil Russia and some kind of civilizational choice of Armenia in favor of the "good West", which is really "necessary", is at stake more than ambiguous values. It is obvious that Armenia, albeit not on its own will, was faced with a difficult choice. Dealing with two geopolitical competitors, each of which launched its own integration project, Armenia will have to decide which camp to join. Attempts by the same Armenian "European integrators" to imagine a rapprochement with Europe and participation in Eurasian integration in the form of complementary processes are designed in the form of school essays and do not stand up to scrutiny. Moreover, they are not accepted as an argument by either Europe or Russia.


It would seem that the choice is simple and logical - Russia is the security guarantor of Armenia, acts as the largest foreign investor in the country's economy, supports it in the international arena, annually accepts tens of thousands of labor migrants and so on. The EU, in fact, does not offer Armenia anything. But for some reason, the so-called “European integration of Armenia” continues, and the details of the negotiations between Yerevan and Brussels are kept in the strictest secrecy. A well-known Russian political scientist, head of the Alte et Certe analytical center, Andrei Epifantsev, in an interview with REGNUM, presented his view of the current situation and made a prediction on what threatens the Armenian-Russian relations with the further deepening of this process.

REGNUM: In Armenian and Russian expert and not only circles, today the question is often raised that Yerevan-Moscow relations are experiencing an ambiguous period. Most often it fits in with two integration projects: one is initiated by the European Union and is called an "association", the second is Russia, the generic name is Eurasian integration. There is an opinion that Armenia was faced with a choice between these two projects, and its unwillingness to choose the Russian version leads to complications in the plane of bilateral relations. How do you generally assess the current state of affairs in the Armenian-Russian relations?

In my opinion, the Russian-Armenian relations have reached a certain problem point, and now we need to choose in which direction to go further - either one way or the other. Problem issues have been accumulating for quite a long time and have not been resolved in any way, which led the Armenian side, at least, to overestimated expectations. The problem of high expectations is that you invent your own goals that do not coincide with reality, and when these goals are not realized, it is always very painful, even psychologically. The desire of Armenia to conclude an alliance with any strength that would solve its problems is understandable, but at the same time there is some mental imbalance between us. Now Armenia and Russia are strategic partners, and Armenia, in my opinion, has too high expectations from this status, pinning too high hopes on it. It seems to Armenia that Russia, being a strategic partner, should solve all its problems, even to the detriment of its own interests. Russia has rather high demands: it is expected that its policy should proceed solely from considerations of strategic partnership, and, in addition, should be fraternal. If Russia does not fulfill the demands of Armenia, it immediately faces attacks and accusations of violating the principles of strategic partnership.

REGNUM: Do you, in words, represent the point of view of those people who have taken the position of high expectations?

Yes, and recently, the voice of this category of people is becoming stronger and stronger, scoring the voices of those who are more balanced in assessing the situation. Strategic partnership, fraternal politics is all well and good, but at the same time people advocating "fraternal" relations simultaneously put forward slogans about the need for Armenia to pursue a rational pragmatic policy. As a result, the following picture emerges: Russia, you solve the problem of Karabakh to us, write down our debts, and if you don’t do this, then you violate the principles of the declared "fraternal" policy. In turn, when any demands are made to Armenia, then conversations begin that we are an independent state, we are conducting a pragmatic policy and otherwise we can’t do it - look at the map. Well, if our answer does not suit you, then you are chauvinists and try to strangle us in your arms.

The essence of the urgent problems of Armenia is that it is not possible to solve them at the moment; neither Russia nor the international community can do this. There is an unequivocal, clearly visible discontent towards Russia from a significant part of the Armenian establishment, which was fueled to a high degree by our Western "friends" who had been working in Armenia for a very long time, while Russia was losing its positions, so to speak. All this period of accumulation of problems, Russia was silent. I can tell you that in Moscow it was considered inconvenient, politically incorrect to talk about the growth of anti-Russian sentiments in Armenia and overstated claims against Russia. I was personally repeatedly corrected by our Armenian friends, leading political analysts (I will not give names), who said that this rhetoric is conducted only by marginals, and that one should not judge the Armenian mood by posts on Facebook or by chatting. And it was a mistake. It was necessary to initially respond. Today we clearly see that dissatisfaction has taken shape in the desire to pursue complementary, I would even say sharply complementary policy. Although the concept of complementarism itself does not imply abruptness, but in this case, in relation to the current international situation, it is this definition that suits the foreign policy course of Armenia.

REGNUM: From your words it actually follows that Armenia demands a strategic partnership / fraternity from Russia, but it itself conducts a pragmatic policy of complementarism, and this is exactly the root of all evils and the contradiction in the position of Armenia itself?

Yes, but not only that. What you just said is one of the reasons for the unstable situation. When you, on the one hand, demand brotherhood and strategic alliance, but for your part, you are not ready to come forward from the point of view of the same, conditionally fraternal positions, but lead a policy of complementarism - all this, together with clearly overstated expectations, leads to some kind of conflict. He smiled for some time, but now, against the background of the fact that Armenia has come close to signing the Association Agreement with the EU, a watershed can occur. The moment came when the situation changed in a qualitative way, and Russia can no longer be silent. Armenia wants to take a stand when, figuratively speaking, affectionate body of two queens sucks. If you look at the situation with Armenian eyes, then this situation is just perfect. If the West cannot defend Armenia and give some other advantages, then it is necessary to secure it from Russia. But since Russia is not the most profitable partner in terms of the economy, social relations, the administrative structure of government, society, and so on, this should be taken from the West. This is an idyllic alignment, which, however, is extremely difficult to bring to life.

REGNUM: In Armenia, they may fear that too much will have to be sacrificed for security in other areas.

I actually understand the concerns of Armenia. Russia is far from an ideal state in terms of both the above aspects, and some others; we have a resource economy, a high-totalitarian style of government, a high level of corruption, which paralyzes certain state institutions, civil society, and so on. And this is objectively the case. Armenia is afraid of the fact that, according to the law of large numbers (Armenia is small, Russia is big) if the process of integration with Russia goes further, then willy-nilly, all these negative aspects will be adopted by it. And here passes the watershed. What is the strategic partnership with Armenia for Russia? The bottom line is that Russia considers the interests of both states to coincide so much that it assumes a number of obligations - deep, difficult and sometimes unprofitable. We are in the same economic, historical, military, mental field. Yes, we are different states, but we are in the same field. We have one way, you understand? If this path is one, then Russia is ready to give you gas at prices lower than world prices, much lower. Right now, the hype about the growth of the gas tariff has risen in Armenia, but for some reason no one says that gas comes only cheaper to Belarus? Ukraine pays for “blue fuel” twice as much as Armenia.

Another issue, for example, migrants from Armenia. Yerevan wants to receive a grant in the amount of one and a half billion euros from the West. But you see how much money migrant workers transfer from Russia to Armenia - much more. For Russia, migrants are a really big problem, one of the three most serious social issues. Candidates for mayors of Moscow and the Moscow region, Sobyanin and Vorobyev, unanimously declared that they would tighten the rules for the stay of foreigners, up to the introduction of visas. However, Russia is ready, despite all the difficulties, to accept Armenian migrants, provided that we are in the same field. The same applies to the military sphere. If we are in the same field, then the weapons will be supplied on the same conditions, but if we cease to be in the same field, then the situation changes drastically. See what is happening in Ukraine. Recently, Russian President Vladimir Putin was not visiting there to kiss the patriarch, it could have been done in Moscow. He went to dot the i's, make it clear to Ukraine that if it joins the EU, it ceases to be a state of the same field. And then Russia will be forced to take some preventive measures. The most important industrial areas of Ukraine are metallurgy, pipe, petrochemicals, and so on. If we are in the same field, then Russia is ready to open its markets to Ukraine, while bearing some damage. After all, look, if we buy products of this profile in Ukraine, it automatically means that our factories are standing, our workers do not work, which means that the state not only does not receive the expected profit, but also assumes social obligations to pay unemployment benefits , keeping children unemployed, etc. etc. But we say to Ukraine: guys, if you are with us, then we are ready to purchase these, conditionally, pipes from you, placing the burden of social problems upon ourselves. But if you enter the EU, then the situation is fundamentally different. The EU is another center of influence, another center of gravity, another block.

REGNUM: If you call a spade a spade - your opponent and competitor.

Of course, with a very strong opponent and competitor. Russia 18 has joined the WTO for years, and if you look at the conditions imposed on Russia by some EU countries, it becomes obvious that Russia is a clear competitor who needs to gnaw at it with his teeth. The world is such, and it will not change, for good or for bad. So if Ukraine or Armenia are included in this unit, in this system, then they objectively begin to compete with us. That is, you, opening your borders, leading a brotherly policy, speak out against yourself and allow the rival block to gain the upper hand over you. From this point of view, I am impatient, honestly, I really want to read the terms of the agreement on associated membership of Armenia with the EU. The fact that it has not been published, and that no one has yet read it, is very suspicious. In principle, this is normal, before final approval, but, as a rule, in the case of very important contracts, the basic structural provisions should be presented to the public in advance. After all, not only the Ministry of Economic Development should agree with them, but also society as a whole. The fact that in Armenia they do not want to voice the main provisions of the treaty immediately suggests that the conditions may be enslaving. And they may indeed be. Or maybe there are conditions on the Karabakh issue that will not be perceived by society? Or maybe there are conditions that Russia will not support? Anything can happen! But we have examples of other treaties, by analogy with which we can imagine what awaits Armenia. The same contract with Ukraine - I know him. First, there is a system of standards here - there are about 20 thousands. After signing the Associated Membership Agreement, a certain time (a year or two) is given to bring its standards in line with European ones. There are business standards, and political, social standards. But at the end of this process, the country automatically drops out of space, not even from the Customs Union or the Eurasian field, to which no one has really invited Armenia yet, but to Russia itself. It's like two people who speak different languages. In addition, even with the naked eye it is clear that the policy of import, export, tax policy is absolutely not the same, and it turns out that if you keep the borders open, the products that have the lowest taxation will be transferred to the Russian market. We have been playing this game with Belarus for a couple of years, when the Russian market was flooded with Belarusian goods. But we pursued a fraternal policy and killed our own dairy industry. The same will be with Armenia. A situation will arise when Russia will be forced to defend its market from Ukraine, which was already said in plain language, and from Armenia. Under these conditions, it will be quite difficult to say that Armenia continues to be a strategic partner. This is an absolutely ambiguous position. How far can a country be considered your partner, being already in another dimension ?!

REGNUM: In fact, you want to say that today the issue of strategic partnership between Russia and Armenia is being resolved?

Of course. When the political and economic window starts to open for Armenia there, in Brussels, it will immediately begin to close in Moscow, in the CSTO, and so on.

REGNUM: You noted that, using the example of Ukraine, one can predict what will happen to Armenia. But Ukraine and Armenia are very different countries in very many aspects - economics, geography, demographic potential, etc. They can only be compared with great stretches and conventions. Moreover, it is known that the Association Agreements are not mirrored.

By the way, Ukraine is an interesting country in this respect. She initiated the agreement a year and a half ago, and after that for a year and a half she tried to change it almost to 70%. This is a kind of nonsense, but Ukraine eventually signs what is. There are no absolutely identical countries, and in the same conditions of joining the WTO, in the EU, you are right, there is a large variable part. But there are principles - principles of standardization, principles of exclusion of certain products from the free trade zone. This is when EU member states may try to impose certain restrictions on the free flow of products. There are a lot of such goods, and the West is trying to protect its market from cheap and high-quality products produced in countries that have recently joined it. If we think about who benefits more from joining the EU, we will understand that not all entering or not every entering state, but those countries that produce the cheapest and most quality products and can sell it in the most favorable position other countries. Because if you do not do this, then instantly you kill your industry, and your market is filled with products from other countries. Look at Bulgaria. This is a country that at one time provided almost the entire Soviet Union and the CMEA countries with agricultural products, and today their market is filled with tomatoes from Turkey. By joining the EU under similar conditions, Bulgaria, in fact, doomed its agriculture to ruin.

On what conditions did Ukraine enter - its business. But if Russia keeps its borders open (after all, we have a fraternal policy towards Ukraine and Armenia), then not even Armenian, but European products will flow to us. You see, we just open the window for European goods. We see all this in the example of other countries. The flow of cheap Western cars through Belarus once poured into the Russian market, because our taxation was not adequate, but fraternal.

REGNUM: We can say that the position of Russia in relation to any country receiving the status of an associate member of the EU will be the same? Be it Armenia, Ukraine, Moldova, etc.?

Not. Now, if Georgia, or when Georgia signs an agreement with the EU, there will not be any particular problems, because the relations between us are at a very low level. We fought, and Russia has no obligations to it.

REGNUM: It is clear with Georgia, but in the case of Armenia and, for example, Ukraine? Should we expect that structural changes in Russian-Ukrainian relations will repeat in Armenian-Russian?

Of course, even more so. For Russia, Armenia is very expensive. Russia has undertaken very high obligations towards Armenia, and now a situation is emerging that is uneven, even in a moral sense. It turns out that Armenia takes away all the “benefits”, advantages to the West, leaving Russia with the most difficult and ungrateful functions. In fact - the very dirt. It turns out that Russia should be on the side of Armenia in the Karabakh issue and should quarrel over this with the whole world. Russia must accept migrant workers. And we accept them, although not everyone likes that Sochi and Adler are already practically Armenian cities. Russia should supply gas at prices lower than world prices, Russia should supply free weapons and so on. These are heavy obligations.

But the fact is that this does not happen. You can not sit on two chairs. I am sure that the experts will soon start talking about this. You can not be smarter than the Odessa rabbi. For a long time I tried to find examples of such unbalanced relations in modern politics during the period of the newest storiesbut I didn’t remember anything. No such examples exist!

Take the example of a strategic partnership between the United States and Saudi Arabia. They have very strong partnerships. The Americans have bases there, they are trying to control oil prices there, to secure access to the Islamic world, and so on. But the US’s obligations to Saudi Arabia are much smaller than those of Russia to Armenia - they should not protect the Saudis, they do not supply them with free weapons worth billions of dollars and do not do much else that Moscow is doing for Yerevan and Stepanakert. And at the same time, Saudi Arabia fully supports both the US economic course and many other aspects of the policy of its strategic partner! Now try to imagine the situation as if the Saudis told the Americans, they say, "ensure our safety, supply us for free weapon, throw some money, accept hundreds of thousands of our migrants, and we will conclude an agreement on strategic alliance with China. ”Do you think how many nanoseconds after that the US would find out that there is no democracy in Saudi Arabia, that they support terrorists, and that the Americans should Immediately conduct a "friendly" bombing in the name of peace and progress? ... On the other hand, there are opposite examples when a country successfully and for a long time would remove the cream from all competing parties - and Figaro was "here and there" does not exist. Attempts This happened, but they ended, as a rule, very badly. Let us turn to the situation in Georgia at the beginning of the 18 century. Heracli II concluded an agreement on military and political cooperation with Russia, which, in essence, is similar to what Armenia has today with Russia, although we understand that in the case of Georgia it was a question of a protectorate, and here it was about cooperation. Just a couple of years later, in order to protect himself from the Turkish side, Heraclius also entered into an agreement with Turkey. As a result, when the Persians attacked, it was not beneficial for Russia to defend an ally, who was simultaneously an ally of its enemy, and the Turks, in principle, were Georgians indifferent. The consequence of such a short-sighted policy was the national scale disaster that befell Georgia, perhaps the most dramatic in the entire history of the existence of this state.

If we look at the historical experience of small but successful countries surrounded by big powers, we will understand that, as a rule, they have only two ways of development. The first is the traditional long-term alliance with a strong power, which carries both advantages and disadvantages. The advantages can be financial, military and other support, often even greater than that which a large state provides to its own citizens. But on the other hand, in the case of the decline or fall of a big power, with which a small one is in allied relations, the disadvantages can turn into a catastrophe for a small one, because, as a rule, big states pull the satellite countries to the bottom. The second path is the path of equidistant cooperation, in which the country balances between several megadders and megablocks. But this should be done in such a way that a small country would be interesting to them precisely in its status of an independent state, for example, Switzerland. Armenia acts radically in a different way, Armenia is now facing Russia and the West.

REGNUM: Since we are talking about the fact that the future of the strategic alliance Yerevan-Moscow is now literally being decided, therefore, will the further deepening of the European integration processes with the participation of Armenia affect, among other things, the military-political cooperation?

The military security of Armenia is ensured in two directions - the CSTO and the guarantees of Russia. The CSTO is a somewhat vague organization, and has never been, as they say, in action. As for guarantees at the level of bilateral relations, they go in three directions. The first is that Russia officially guarantees the security of Armenia, the second is that Russia guarantees military parity, which is very important and the third is the base in Gyumri. What will happen? Again, look at the situation from the point of view of Russia. She sees that her orchestra ceases to be a strategic partner. But Russia has obligations in relation to this country, which is turning from a partner into a competitor. The process of distancing will begin (of course, not immediately). A certain critical mass must accumulate when we realize that we cannot trade freely, that the influx of the West into the political and economic spheres is very strong. Then Russia will start lowering the status of its involvement in Armenia. It is very likely that Russia will refuse guarantees. CSTO guarantees are likely to remain, but Russia will remove its own guarantees. Russia will simply say: “guys, if you see your economic and political future in Brussels, then make sure that it provides you with security too. Let Brussels give you cheap gas, let Brussels accept your migrants, let Brussels protect you in the Minsk Group , places base in Armenia, etc. I do not need it ". Slowly, this status will decline until it disappears. Than this is fraught for Armenia - judge for yourself.

REGNUM: In your opinion, Yerevan will be tightened up with all the nuts that can be done, will break the arms, and not from malicious intent, but by virtue of the existing geopolitical situation. We can say that they themselves will spin.

Yes of course. Look at Ukraine. It was worth Poroshenko to declare that Russia should come to terms with the process of European integration of Ukraine, like the chocolate of its confectionery factory "Roshen" instantly blocked the way to the Russian market. Thus, Moscow as it says to him: "If you go to Brussels, then sell your chocolate there too!".

REGNUM: And if you look at the question from the point of view of Armenia - a small, clamped, resource-free state with a weak economy and negative demographic potential? What is her choice in the current situation would be correct?

Good question. Now Armenia can get and already gets into an ugly situation. In Russia, a wave of a certain discontentment begins, believe me, on the sidelines, people are already saying much more. Some do not act simply because they are considered, and they themselves consider themselves friends of Armenia. I consider myself as such, and it is very painful for me to see what is happening now. But I will tell you the following: it may turn out that if Armenia changes its decision, this could provoke talk that Russia forced her to do it, twisted her arms. This will negatively affect the image of the country, the internal political situation will worsen, the attitude towards Russia will survive an even greater decline, and so on. The normal option, in my opinion, would be to initiate an agreement, but then finally not accept membership, or sign associate membership, do nothing to adopt EU standards, or sign it in such a way that the consequences for Armenia are miserable. In a word, with a head go into formalism. It should not allow the accumulation of a critical load of changes in its economic and social structure, which will allow it to be pushed away from Russia.

REGNUM: There is one question that is costly and contains only two words: Nagorno-Karabakh. What are the political and economic prospects of this region with one or another choice of Armenia, how can the issue of the status of this territory be resolved?

This is from the category of questions for which there can be no exact answer. I think that if Armenia achieves that state when products made in Karabakh will be sold by default under the sign "made in Armenia" in the West, then this will be the perfect deal. The same vodka, say. But here we must understand that already the European Union will set itself up and fall under the criticism of international organizations. The same Turkey and Azerbaijan will both attack the European Union, demanding the imposition of sanctions against it, and will speak from the rostrums of the UN and other authoritative international platforms. The European Union has enough potential to fight back, but whether it wants to take on such obligations is a big question. Wouldn't it be easier for him to simply oblige Armenia to put customs on the border with Karabakh and close its goods? And then, again, this will be a huge moral blow to the Armenian society, the voter, the Armenian authorities. Therefore, I focus on the text of the treaty, which I would very much like to read. The fact that the situation with Karabakh is unsolvable is absolutely certain. And Russia can not offer anything. This is an unsolvable situation, neither within the OSCE Minsk Group, nor within the EU. Only time can solve the problem. Russia cannot recognize Nagorno-Karabakh. This question is doomed to being in a suspended state, and it is important for Armenia not to aggravate the situation. Theoretically, time in this case works for Armenia.

REGNUM: That is, the question is hanging in the air, and not one of the external parties can offer Armenia preferences in order to persuade its choice in its favor?

In principle, this is not excluded. It seems to me that Russia, in any case, stands on this issue with more preferable positions for Armenia. We will not hide, and I am even saying this to Azerbaijanis that Russia, within the framework of the OSCE MG, being a formally neutral mediator, supports Armenia. Will the European Union act like that? I deeply doubt.

REGNUM: The West openly bet on Azerbaijan because of its energy resources and transit potential.

Of course, absolutely true.

REGNUM: Let's return to the general topic: if Armenia initiates and then signs the Association Agreement with the EU, will this be a fait accompli?

It is clear that Armenia will try to present it not as a choice specifically in any direction. For me, this is a big question that I cannot find, again, an answer. If Armenia signs an agreement and changes begin in the economic and political sphere of the country, and after a while Russia makes a formal invitation to the Eurasian Union - what will Armenia do? There will definitely have to choose. In the case of Armenia, this can be called a choice. It is impossible, for example, to be simultaneously in NATO and in the Warsaw Pact.

REGNUM: The Europeans invited Armenia, Russia did not do this, and today in Armenia, many of those who deny the very existence of the choice according to a strict "or-or" scheme appeal to the fact that Moscow did not make any proposals to Yerevan. Don't you think that the Russian side puts itself in an awkward position? Why so far no official invitations have been received?

I am a critic of the policy pursued by Russia in relation to Armenia and in the South Caucasus as a whole. Russia really makes a lot of mistakes. For example, the way it communicates with the authorities of Armenia, making an unequivocal stake on President Serzh Sargsyan and not communicating with other political forces, which leads to the opposition going to his opponents-Westerners, because they have no other way out. In fact, contacts with the opposition also happen, but all this happens at the level of the corridors and does not translate into anything serious. We do not conduct a dialogue with the Armenian society. The reason for this is our internal problems. The same situation with the Eurasian Union. This is a loose, not completely understandable education, the project of which was born not so long ago. It was believed that Ukraine should join it earlier than a number of other countries, which would make it more attractive for them. It is clear that now she will refuse to do this and we will have a certain trade conflict already, probably, from January-February. If we make the same proposal now to Armenia, which is two steps away from initialing, a second political and trade conflict will arise. Conducting two conflicts at the same time Russia can and can, but does not want. Therefore, Yerevan is unlikely to receive an invitation to this structure in the near future. Another question is why this has not been done before.

REGNUM: Was it a mistake?

Definitely. This had to be done at the same time when Belarus and Kazakhstan were invited there.

REGNUM: At the end of our conversation, I suggest you answer the so-called free question.
I want to express a seditious thought. The phrase “if Russia leaves Armenia, it will leave the South Caucasus” has come into use in Armenia. Society believes in it, and this phrase reflects reality. But on the other hand, what will remain of Russia from the Caucasus if Armenia signs the agreement and de facto leaves for the West? Nothing but unpleasant and serious obligations to her. We lost Georgia, again, because of our own big mistakes, because of big internal problems. Azerbaijan, we lost. Armenia remains, with which everything is fine now, but if it goes to the West, what will remain with us? Only obligations without any advantages. What should Russia do in this situation? She will try to compensate for the losses that she will suffer in another way. Paradoxically, I myself do not want to believe in it, but based on the theory of politics, the quickest, most effective move would be a bias towards Azerbaijan, accompanied by a partial change in policy towards Karabakh. This is not the best, not the most durable option, but in the short and medium term it would have an immediate effect. For some reason, in Armenia they think that Russia has a bad relationship with Azerbaijan, and it cannot do anything on this front. But believe me, if Azerbaijan today realizes that Russia is ready to change its attitude towards Karabakh, it will sign any agreements not even tomorrow, but just yesterday. Azerbaijan will do anything, believe me, if such an opportunity presents itself. Yes, in the long run it will not work, yes, this is not the best option, but what will Russia do if it wants to stay in the South Caucasus? Therefore, it is possible that Armenia itself pushes Russia to a step that would not even be neutral, but counterproductive for itself.

And the last. Not so long ago I was watching "Figaro", now for some reason it was remembered. You see, Armenia is not Sevilla, but the Armenian establishment is not Beaumarchais and Figaro. He cannot be both here and there. Must choose. This choice is hard, but sometimes it needs to be done. I would like Armenia to make a wise choice.

Interview conducted by Emil Babayan
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  1. experienced
    experienced 7 August 2013 12: 42 New
    +3
    Srach or maybe constructive? winked
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 7 August 2013 12: 46 New
      +5
      Quote: seasoned
      Srach or maybe constructive?

      Did you get the pop food? wassat . I can share the chips .. bully
      1. experienced
        experienced 7 August 2013 12: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Tersky
        Did you get the pop food? I can share the chips ..

        Pivasik share wassat
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 7 August 2013 12: 51 New
          +4
          Quote: seasoned
          Pivasik share

          sorry for that work ... okay, now the chips and in the evening I’ll glance at the beer. I quote from the article - "Armenia is not Seville, but the Armenian establishment is not Beaumarchais and Figaro. It cannot be both here and there." But this establishment will run into this, and the result of these twitches is known, as in the answer to the riddle- "And here I am not, and I am not there, where am I?" Alexey, you can’t write an answer to the riddle, laughing , I know him wink
      2. Uncle Serozha
        Uncle Serozha 7 August 2013 14: 45 New
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        Quote: Tersky
        Did you get the pop food? wassat. I can share the chips .. bully

        Yes, another biased article. Yesterday it was about the fact that the partnership with Turkey was brewing, and today it was about the fact that the partnership with Armenia was being curtailed. And all in one gate ...
        Both that, and another are equally fantastic. Yes, we will cooperate with the Turks, but our fundamental contradictions with them will not go anywhere.
        Yes, we may have problems in relations with Armenia, but our common interests with it in the Caucasus (in particular, containment of Azerbaijan) will not go anywhere.
        So everything is likely to remain the same ...
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 7 August 2013 14: 54 New
          +5
          Sergey, can you enlighten, why is Russia interested in “containment of Azerbaijan”? What have we done wrong to you?
          1. Uncle Serozha
            Uncle Serozha 7 August 2013 15: 04 New
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            Quote: xetai9977
            Sergey, can you enlighten, why is Russia interested in “containment of Azerbaijan”? What have we done wrong to you?

            Yes, the Lord is with you! You haven’t done anything bad to us. And even if they did, it should not affect politics. Politics should look tomorrow, not yesterday.
            But containing Azerbaijan is objectively beneficial to Russia. Weak neighbors are easier to deal with than strong ones. In addition, Azerbaijan is a partner of Turkey, and our geopolitical interests with it have always diverged. In addition, we are not interested in alternative energy supplies to Europe and we need to maintain leverage. So that in the event of negotiations on such supplies, we could quickly organize a crisis in the countries participating in these negotiations.
            And finally, Iran. We benefit from its existence in the form in which it is now. The disconnection of the three northern provinces populated by Azerbaijanis will strengthen Azerbaijan and Turkey too much.
            At the same time, I personally treat the people of Azerbaijan very well. But here we must understand that my acquaintances Azerbaijanis live in MOSCOW, and not in Baku or Ankara. So that is also beneficial for them.
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 7 August 2013 15: 16 New
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              SERGEY I appreciate you as a direct person. You voiced the fact that many prefer not to speak. As well as that, in turn, the policy of Russia unfortunately led to the fact that many countries have become interested in weakening Russia. The divide-and-conquer policy does not always end with benefits for the initiator.
              1. Uncle Serozha
                Uncle Serozha 7 August 2013 15: 33 New
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                Quote: xasharat
                1. Have you lost your radar base in Baku?
                ...................
                8. Will get the go-ahead for war or forced to return Armenia. THERE IS NOTHING TO REPLACE THEM FOR.

                Politics is the art of compromise. When you get new opportunities, inevitable losses. Obviously, the possibility of pressure in the region and the preservation of the volumes of energy supply to Europe are more important for us than the losses that you listed.

                Quote: xetai9977
                DO YOU NEED IT? For the sake of someone else's good ...

                Why for the sake of someone else? For some reason, you proceed from the fact that we stand for Armenia. I wrote to you above that we pursue our interests. The fact that the interests of Armenia and ours largely coincide is that the Armenians were just lucky.

                Quote: xetai9977
                You voiced the fact that many prefer not to speak

                Exactly. Politicians are pragmatic, and Azerbaijani politicians in this regard are no different from Russian. You do what is beneficial to you, we are what is beneficial to us. But why they do not openly talk about it - I do not understand. If they had spoken openly and ruthlessly about this, then everyone would have understood that the only way to a better life is to abandon rampant and endless consumption. It is it that dictates the very benefit, and it is it that makes people give a damn about good, faith, and sometimes human life. But I repeat: in this we are ALL the same. Alas...
                1. alone
                  alone 7 August 2013 16: 01 New
                  +2
                  Why for the sake of someone else? For some reason, you proceed from the fact that we stand for Armenia. I wrote to you above that we pursue our interests. The fact that the interests of Armenia and ours largely coincide is that the Armenians were just lucky.

                  Sergey, the interests of Armenia can never coincide with the interests of Russia in territorial issues. They have their own interests in this matter, believe the Russian factor in this issue is only how to use you in this matter without benefit for you)))
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz 7 August 2013 16: 20 New
              0
              Quote: Uncle Serezha
              But containing Azerbaijan is objectively beneficial to Russia.

              It’s not Russia’s deterrence that is beneficial to Russia, but its presence together with the Russian Federation. In principle, you are right in the current situation. But having stood on one side, Russia has made it so that it’s holding Baku back, and it could have used the places where it’s holding back.
              But Russia can change this situation while Aliyeva is in power, but even they are forced to slowly withdraw, and if other forces come, there will be a confrontation confidential.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 7 August 2013 16: 24 New
                +2
                Quote: Yeraz
                if other forces come, then there will be a confrontation confidential.

                Oooh, how scary. And what threatens us? Tomatoes in the markets will rise in price?
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 7 August 2013 16: 34 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Spade
                  Oooh, how scary. And what threatens us? Tomatoes in the markets will rise in price?

                  hahaha a funky joke about tomatoes. You are such a joker, no Azerbaijanis will stop selling vodka to Russians in Russia, how do you like a joke from the Lopatov cycle ???
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 7 August 2013 16: 44 New
                    +3
                    No tales, Ossetians sell vodka to Russians.

                    I just wonder what kind of "confrontation"? How about the Baltic states or Georgians? Really very dangerous for Russia. Directly putting our country on the brink of survival.
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 7 August 2013 17: 03 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Spade
                      I just wonder what kind of "confrontation"? How about the Baltic states or Georgians?

                      Well, if you compare Azerbaijan with the Baltic states and with the Georgians, what is there to explain to you?
                      Quote: Spade
                      Really very dangerous for Russia. Directly putting our country on the brink of survival.

                      And no one spoke about the brink of survival, but Azerbaijan can create much more abrupt problems for Russia than Georgians and Baltic states combined, especially when Muslim republics are on the Azerbaijani border.
                      I will not argue with you in principle, you can’t prove anything.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 7 August 2013 17: 12 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        And no one spoke about the brink of survival, but Azerbaijan can create much more abrupt problems for Russia than Georgians and Baltic states combined, especially when Muslim republics are on the Azerbaijani border.

                        Row like Georgians. They also created. Unknown aircraft bombed on their territory, immediately took up the mind. No need to rock on those who are obviously stronger.

                        Quote: Yeraz
                        if you compare Azerbaijan with the Baltic states and with the Georgians, what is there to explain to you?

                        And what, you have to compare with China?
                        No, it is with the Baltic states and Georgians. By the way, you are alike. We give you new territories, you give us exorbitant prices for Gabala. Yes, and require additional preferences "but give us Karabakh on a silver platter"
                      2. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 7 August 2013 18: 11 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Spade
                        And what, you have to compare with China?

                        What are you from one extreme to the other. No one should compare us with anyone.
                        Quote: Spade
                        and give us Karabakh on a silver platter "

                        No, don’t file, just don’t interfere, and these are sooooo different things.
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 7 August 2013 18: 30 New
                        0
                        And you will give us a present for this - will you join NATO? Sit already. Euro-Atlanticists with territorial problems are not accepted.
                      4. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 7 August 2013 18: 45 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Spade
                        And you will give us a present for this - will you join NATO?

                        Because you don’t intervene ?? No, didn’t it give up ?? Nobody in Azerbaijan has been looking with trepidation for a long time or should you remind you which only country in the world officially allocates NKR assistance ???
                        Quote: Spade
                        Sit already. Euro-Atlanticists with territorial problems are not accepted.

                        and have you heard from our top leadership that they will want to enter there ?? Or do strong voices from society call for this ??? There is neither one nor the other. And no one has canceled the topic of religion. What are you saying that they look at us through the prism of religion, simply in Russia there is still a layer of people not subject to this, but it is rapidly decreasing.
                      5. Apollo
                        7 August 2013 18: 51 New
                        +6
                        Quote: Spade
                        Euro-Atlanticists with territorial problems are not accepted.


                        where you read that Azerbaijan seeks to join the European Union or the North Atlantic bloc called NATO.
                        Give the link to me most interesting. This is 1.
                        And 2, if I'm not mistaken, the article is about Armenia and her attempts integrate into European structures!
                        And finally, the 3-e a number of articles published in the news portals of Armenia is clearly not in Russia's favor, I want to pay attention to the source in advance

                        and here are the articles
                        Armenia becomes a sovereign country
                        Armenia is becoming a key axis in reformatting the Greater Middle East region. We are witnessing real historical events - the 300-year stay of Armenia, and with it the whole geopolitical layer, is ending in the Russian-Eurasian space, and Yerevan is becoming an independent international entity.
                        So far, our country has not pursued an independent foreign policy, staying in the wake of Russian politics. On the international scene, we supported decisions that were beneficial to Moscow and often went against our interests, we were friends with countries with which Moscow maintained relations. Only thanks to the diaspora could Armenia ensure a minimum independent foreign policy, but even that was “neutralized” by Moscow.
                        Now there is a revision of these relations. Evidence of this is Armenia’s intention to sign the Association with the EU, which is still disputed, Armenia’s cooperation with NATO, Yerevan’s refusal of Russia’s initiatives on the Karabakh "settlement", which involve the introduction of Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh. ................... http://www.lragir.am/index/rus/0/comments/view/31684#sthash.HxXpka9G.dpuf

                        Persuade Russian border guards to leave Armenia?
                        Apparently, one of the conditions of the Association of Armenia and the EU is the refusal of Yerevan from Russian border services. Now, as you know, Russia is protecting the border of Armenia with Turkey and Iran. And hardly an association of the EU and Armenia is possible in the case when the border of Armenia is guarded by Russian border guards.
                        As Russian political scientists quite frankly say, Russia does not protect the border of Armenia, but the external borders of the CIS. That is, Armenia is not a sovereign country with sovereign border relations with its neighbors, but part of the political union of the CIS. By the way, Azerbaijan is a member of the CIS. This means that if the EU wants Association with Armenia, it must demand that the borders of Armenia be protected not by Russia, but by Armenia or European forces.
                        Otherwise, it is simply impossible. And, apparently, Russia was announced about this. Maybe, it is this item that the Armenian authorities do not want to make public, refusing to publish the text of the Association Agreement with the EU............ http://www.lragir.am/index/rus/0/comments/view/31634#sthash.ijaOxdVV.dpuf

                        Armenia becomes an Atlantic country
                        Armenia and the European Union announced the completion of negotiations on the Association and the creation of a free trade zone. Moreover, this was stated at the level of European Commissioners Ashton and Fule, who expressed joy on this occasion and promised that European integration would positively affect the lives of Armenians.
                        The fact that negotiations are completed means that the text of the Agreement must be made public. Until now, it has not been published, referring to the fact that it is not agreed. And it would be interesting to know what exactly Armenia and the EU could not agree to the last and how they managed to overcome the contradictions.
                        The agreement between the EU and Armenia is scheduled to be initialed on November 29.
                        http://www.lragir.am/index/rus/0/comments/view/31547

                        all these articles are from only one news portal of Armenia, but how many more are there ?!
                      6. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 7 August 2013 18: 56 New
                        0
                        Quote: Apollon
                        where you read that Azerbaijan seeks to join the European Union or the North Atlantic bloc called NATO.

                        Of course do not strive. Because you have territorial problems. Like the Armenians.
                      7. Apollo
                        7 August 2013 19: 05 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Spade
                        Of course do not strive. Because you have territorial problems. Like the Armenians.


                        A couple of questions for you.

                        1. Russia as Azerbaijan and Armenia were admitted to the UN within internationally recognized borders. Isn't that so ?!
                        Hence the conclusion that Russia recognizes the internationally recognized borders of both Azerbaijan and Armenia. You will not dispute this generally accepted fact.

                        2. Azerbaijan consists of a non-aligned movement, which you yourself know very well this movement, in other words Azerbaijan is not a member of any blocs and does not intend to join.

                        3. What principle in international law do you personally prefer to territorial (within internationally recognized borders) or the right of nations to self-determination ?!
                        For example, I'm territorial and you are Lopatov ?!

                        afterword Russia has rightfully carried out a CTO in Chechnya, it is conducting it in the CBD and Dagestan. Why are you denying us that right. We don’t mess with territorial claims against Armenia,we want to restore constitutional order in our republic, since you have put in place in Russia
                      8. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 7 August 2013 19: 15 New
                        +1
                        And what does all this matter in the current foreign policy realities?
                      9. Apollo
                        7 August 2013 21: 04 New
                        +2
                        absent, good reason ..... so you can continue, if you do not mind,

                        Quote: Spade
                        And what does all this matter in the current foreign policy realities?


                        the most direct


                        Quote: Spade
                        Because you have territorial problems. Like the Armenians.


                        we ... there are no territorial problems and there haven’t been, the problem of NGOs and Chechnya is one to one. Separatists and terrorists of all stripes have dug up. I am silent about drug trafficking.
                        The territory is not controlled by anyone, plus to all, no country in the world has recognized Nagorno-Karabakh as a subject of international law.NoneI won’t go into history, we are discussing realities now. If we give every nation the right to self-determination, then as one wise man remarked, the world will go crazy, which, by the way, is happening before our eyes.
                2. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 7 August 2013 18: 59 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Apollon
                  Yerevan is becoming an independent international entity.

                  fool tongue wassat Apollo hi drinks Wait soon fellow
                3. Apollo
                  7 August 2013 19: 16 New
                  +5
                  Greetings Ruslan hi

                  Well, it remains to wait a bit in my previous 18-51 comments, I cited the term from the article 29 November of the current year, the date of initiation of the agreement between Armenia and the EU.

                  And yet, the fact that Russia is unequivocally taking steps towards Azerbaijan in terms of the sale of arms for a billion dollars and the fact that Vladimir Putin will soon arrive in Baku speaks volumes. good
                4. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 7 August 2013 19: 17 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Apollon
                  Well, it remains to wait a bit

                  Yes bolt with her with Armenia wassat My friday's coming drinks laughing
                5. Voskepar
                  Voskepar 7 August 2013 22: 36 New
                  -6
                  They bought weapons, but as there was no spirit, there won’t be any, to attack Armenia.
                  When is your next parade?
                  PS Parade of the losing army.
                  Nonsense.
                6. alone
                  alone 7 August 2013 22: 38 New
                  0
                  look at your country. Something is not visible that you won.
          2. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 7 August 2013 19: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: Apollon
            An association between the EU and Armenia is hardly possible when the Russian border guards guard the Armenian border.

            And I said for a long time that our border guards need to guard our border and not this Caucasian Romania bully
          3. Apollo
            7 August 2013 19: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: Ruslan67
            And I said for a long time that our border guards need to guard our border and not this Caucasian Romania


            Russia defends its interests, just.
          4. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 7 August 2013 19: 20 New
            +4
            Quote: Apollon
            Russia defends its interests

            Interests end and hemorrhoids in the form of an ally remain and it is unlikely that he will be able to be cured in the near future request If only to give someone type EC
          5. Apollo
            7 August 2013 19: 28 New
            +3
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Interests end and the hemorrhoid in the form of an ally remains and it is unlikely that he will be able to be cured in the near future If only to give someone such as


            Azerbaijan could easily acquire weapons for such an impressive amount from any other country,BUT gave preference to Russia, It says a lot.
            This speaks about the priorities of Azerbaijan, to the desire to develop comprehensive including military relations with fraternal people and a neighbor, Russia.
  • Ljubomir
    Ljubomir 7 August 2013 20: 59 New
    -1
    Quote: Yeraz
    Russia does not benefit from deterring Azerbaijan, but finding it together with the Russian Federation.

    Russia is not profitable but acceptable is Azerbaijan within Iran:
    1) Azerbaijan is not in Turkey and does not strengthen it (with energy resources);
    2) Russia is not wasting efforts to keep Azerbaijan;
    3) Iran receives an extra wedge in relations with Turkey, while it does not increase much (and so is oil full).
  • Egen
    Egen 8 August 2013 05: 59 New
    +3
    Personally, my sister's husband served in Baku 4 of the year, changed the apartment there - in Soviet times. In 199 ,, I already forgot which yesterday's dear neighbors took up arms at once, where did such interethnic anger come from? - the family had to barricade themselves in the apartment. Then the families in the APC were evacuated in what they were, and the youngest daughter was 2 of the year. We also lost 3-to the apartment, and everything we gained over the years of service. Another question is that “we have a“ son in law “for excess” during this, demoted from majors to captains, however, after wandering 6 for years in rented guest rooms, they still gave 2 to the apartment as refugees.
    And what did you do good here?
    My son-in-law was just a signalman, the rear collar is called, not a paratrooper or anyone else. Here we then reported on the direction, but there was no command. And maybe in vain ...
  • Rink
    Rink 7 August 2013 15: 33 New
    +4
    Quote: Uncle Serezha
    Yes, another biased article.

    If you look a little at the articles of this "famous" political scientist, you can see some general mood of his "songs". For example, several of his latest articles:

    Interethnic conflicts exposed power weakness
    http://inforotor.ua/news/28152640

    Russia on the way to the chimera
    http://inforotor.ua/news/28139072

    The bomb under the unity of Russia laid in its very center
    http://inforotor.ua/news/27306042

    Expert: The Kremlin will turn a blind eye to the drift of Abkhazia from Russia
    http://inforotor.ua/news/20672838

    Whose money does this "expert" live on, and what kind of "Alte Certe" is this?
    It seems to me that this is a typical NGO, and the “expert” is an agent of influence, and sings its songs by order of “friends of Russia”.

    To drive a wedge between Russia and Armenia means to weaken the positions of both of them.
    Who benefits?
  • alone
    alone 7 August 2013 12: 59 New
    +2
    constructive. srach can always be arranged))))
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 7 August 2013 13: 35 New
    +3
    Constructive and only constructive. AT LAST!!! We admitted in open text that we always said, “Russia, even being formally neutral, always supports Armenia,” “According to the Armenians, Russia SHOULD support them in the Karabakh issue, even if because of this it WILL KEAT WITH THE WHOLE LIGHT,” “Adler and Sochi- already almost Armenian cities "," We lost Azerbaijan because of our own mistakes "" Russia ensures the security of Armenia, supplies FREE weapons, helps with finances (read about the Saudis) "" If Azerbaijan realizes that Russia is ready to change its ATTITUDE on Karabakh, it will sign any agreement. "
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 7 August 2013 14: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: xetai9977
      Russia, even being formally neutral, always supports Armenia


      It is not surprising how much I know the Russians who left Baku with the collapse of the Union, all in total shock from what was happening there. From this and sympathy for the Armenians up to the state level. Plus faith is related.
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 7 August 2013 14: 21 New
        +1
        MIKADO. This is an echo of the events of January 20, 1990. But it was on an emotional level. But nobody beat the Russians, robbed them, much less killed them. And now, Russians numbering 120 thousand live and enjoy all the rights of citizens of Azerbaijan.
      2. alone
        alone 7 August 2013 14: 22 New
        0
        therefore, we still have 150 Russians (the largest Russian community in Transcaucasia). what happened then was not easy for us. we just threw off the liberal democrats in time and restored order in the country. want to know the current situation and attitude to Russians, come to Azerbaijan. you will see everything with your own eyes.
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 7 August 2013 14: 30 New
          +2
          Omar, others are not interested in our domestic political affairs, and there may be other opinions about the opposition. Let’s write on the topic. I consider both the opposition and the authorities as the sons of the Motherland, and I would not label them both
        2. Egen
          Egen 8 August 2013 06: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: lonely
          If you want to know the current situation and attitude towards Russians, come to Azerbaijan. You will see everything with your own eyes.

          Well, God forbid, but from that there was a memory anyway ...
      3. donchepano
        donchepano 7 August 2013 16: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: Mikado
        sympathy for the Armenians up to the state level. Plus faith is related.

        I have nothing against the Armenian people, but this is something that faith ceases to be related after the recent events connected with individual Armenian representatives who do not care about faith or they understand it in their own way.
        And of which these same representatives have recently become too many
        Quote: IRBIS
        The Armenians always had one problem - to eat a fish, and ... do not wash the pan. They themselves simply trudge on their "cunning" and the ability to adapt in the beginning to different living conditions, and then adapt the conditions for themselves. This very cunning is precisely what is why they, to put it mildly, are not loved. When it is profitable for them - they scream that they are Christians, at another moment - they rely on their Caucasian origin, catch a stream - shout about genocide, hide behind Russian bayonets - you can yank at Azerbaijan. And how do they behave in our cities? Personally, I was completely disappointed in the Armenians, as in the allies. For Russia - another ballast, a suitcase without a handle ...

        What kind of faith can be related when the whole press is filled with crimes:
        So Hrachya Harutyunyan on Kamaz kills 18 people and 30 makes him crippled, and the citizens of Armenia rose (and instead of condolencing and helping relatives of the dead and crippled) declared their countryman killer a hero who "saved"! the remaining passengers from death, and even arranged for the PR about the fact that Rookie didn’t see you were given a new suit with shoes and brought to the court from the hospital in an old coat ...
        And here, one after another, the wildest cruelty crimes involving the Armenian "golden youth" of the kids of the oligarchs Feroyan who beat a traffic policeman with a crowd and break his skull with a bat, and Ignatyan who, driving a car in the city at a frantic speed, blows people to death ...
        And after looking at some of the frames on YouTube, I saw a lot more unpleasant with the participation of these natives. The feeling is just disgusting.
    2. Uncle Serozha
      Uncle Serozha 7 August 2013 14: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: xetai9977
      Adler and Sochi are already almost Armenian cities "

      xetai9977, You give the impression of a smart person, so I’ll tell you what. If an Armenian comes up to me tomorrow and, having run aback, says: “And by the way, Adler and Sochi are Armenian territory. And Stavropol too,” do you know what my reaction will be?
      When the laughter passes, I’ll tell him: “excellent! When Stavropol becomes Armenian, you can put me a bottle of cognac. You can have Azerbaijani.” wink
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 7 August 2013 15: 01 New
        +1
        God give you health! And we are in a similar situation. Imagine a neighbor brazenly rushing into you, occupying one room (Karabakh), your arguments are ignored (warrant in your name), and what remains? That's right .... But someone denies us the right to dispose of our own territory "We are for peace. We will not allow the use of force." Have mercy, but how else to restore your rights?
        1. Uncle Serozha
          Uncle Serozha 7 August 2013 15: 14 New
          0
          Quote: xetai9977
          Have mercy, but how else to restore your rights?

          The question is fair and very complicated. I do not consider myself a connoisseur of politics, but if you are interested in my answer, then here it is.
          1. The territory of Karabakh should remain part of Azerbaijan. No proclamations of independence / separation / annexation, etc. are accepted.
          Azerbaijan should be calm that this territory is his and his forever.

          2. The rights and freedoms of Armenians living in Karabakh must be ensured. Neither the army nor the police of Azerbaijan can provide them for obvious reasons - they will start cutting immediately. This means that these rights must be guaranteed by a third party (this may be multinational forces)

          3. The final re-integration of Karabakh into the Azerbaijani economy and social structure should be carried out gradually. This means - the descendants on whose hands there is no blood and who (I hope) will be kinder and fairer than you and me.
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 7 August 2013 15: 23 New
            +3
            God give you health again! You just voiced the fact that Azerbaijan has been offering Armenia for 15 years !!! But they do not agree!
      2. alone
        alone 7 August 2013 16: 38 New
        +1
        you know your time, we also laughed like that. but in vain.
      3. donchepano
        donchepano 7 August 2013 17: 09 New
        0
        They have been saying this for a long time! And by the way, how do they relate to the Slavs? like cattle.
        Climb on Armenian sites - a lot of "interesting" ...
  • donchepano
    donchepano 7 August 2013 14: 33 New
    0
    Quote: seasoned
    Srach or maybe constructive?

    Why do we need some srach? It is advisable to live in harmony with all peoples!
    Although lately Armenia has been behaving like a woman on two chairs (or three) ... in general, she wants to eat fish and ride on a “steam train”
    And to be honest, it’s just blackmailing and engaging in political extortion. It feels like we owe them something all the time, and they have benefited us with their presence. Like, “we are your outpost !!!” "we protect you from all enemies !!"
    1. Theophanes
      Theophanes 7 August 2013 20: 57 New
      +3
      Armenia repeats the path of Ukraine to the abyss. Sorry! A confederation with Georgia under the leadership of a (historically meanest enemy) Turkey will not bring anything good to Armenia, unless it repeats the Armenian genocite in the confederation. Russia repeats mistakes in geopolitics in the post-Soviet space. The experience of losing Ukraine has not been taught. Russia, under the leadership of the libiards, is losing friends and allies! Amerikosy surround, encircle Russia with "friends". America is preparing World War III with a flood to Russia. And Russia has only two ally.
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 7 August 2013 12: 44 New
    +4
    As a result, the following picture emerges: Russia, you will solve the Karabakh problem, write off our debts, and if you do not, then you violate the principles of the declared "fraternal" policy. In turn, when any demands are made to Armenia, then conversations begin that we, they say, an independent state, pursue a pragmatic policy and cannot do otherwise - look at the map. Well, if our answer does not suit you, then you are chauvinists and try to strangle us in our arms.
    The lip is not a fool, or how the Armenian cognac acts on the perception of the world.
    1. alone
      alone 7 August 2013 13: 04 New
      +2
      they just think so! and recently I read that Russia is not so faithful to its allied obligations, unlike Armenia))) like that. so they say in Armenia
    2. 3 inches.
      3 inches. 7 August 2013 18: 19 New
      0
      already no Armenian cognac. bought by French companies and not successfully produced ..
  • Constantine
    Constantine 7 August 2013 12: 45 New
    +4
    And Armenia has no choice. Either they are with us, or they are finished, with a high degree of probability. Objectively, Armenia exists and develops only because it is under the wing of Russia, which saved Armenia, covered and covers. There are too many “willing” around to superficially treat the union of our two countries. Armenia is well aware of this, and those who are trying to convince of the opposite are most likely doing this on request with well-known goals. sad
    1. alone
      alone 7 August 2013 12: 58 New
      +2
      so what about developing, I ask you in more detail please)))
      1. Constantine
        Constantine 7 August 2013 13: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        so what about developing, I ask you in more detail please)))


        And it won’t be more detailed since it will lead to srach right here and now. Look for bread and circuses in the comments of other readers wink I am not eager to start what usually follows such words. Especially when Azerbaijanis / Armenians ask this question. wink
        1. alone
          alone 7 August 2013 13: 09 New
          +1
          I am also against srach. I am interested in the real facts of development
  • Very old
    Very old 7 August 2013 12: 46 New
    +3
    And hell knows that. Armenia is really rushing around, there is confusion in the country itself
  • Very old
    Very old 7 August 2013 12: 49 New
    +1
    But hell knows that. In Armenia itself, there is complete discord, where to go and what to do (like Russian is a question)
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 7 August 2013 14: 27 New
      +1
      Greetings Valentine !. And they around us, the Turks, and now you are to blame. All around them MUST.
    2. Voskepar
      Voskepar 7 August 2013 22: 37 New
      -4
      What should you have been, we have already taken.
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 8 August 2013 10: 14 New
        +4
        Do not worry. Will be back soon. With interest.
  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 7 August 2013 12: 58 New
    +1
    speculation .... some political speculation ......... the world is agitated ..
    ...who with whom??? and for what ??? ........ and if you look at the root, then the evil Americans are behind all this ... who is numb if someone else is not with them .... and in general
  • Nevsky
    Nevsky 7 August 2013 13: 00 New
    +3
    Channel 24 Russia launched the project "New Europe". Probably Armenia wants to go there. There will be 5 television shows in total. I’ve already caught one of them on YouTube: (I recommend)



    (by the way, there will be a report about my “favorite” LGBT people soon laughing )
  • pensioner
    pensioner 7 August 2013 13: 17 New
    +1
    Something strange is really happening with Armenia. EU spuds it to the fullest. And what will come of this is not yet known ... But real Armenian cognac is a thing !! Cadets Armenians drove me as a bribe. Unforgettable feelings! Where are you: Bodosyan, Akopdzhanyan, 5 pieces of Karapetyanov ... How did your life turn out?
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    1. alone
      alone 7 August 2013 13: 47 New
      +3
      dreaming is certainly not a criminal offense and not punishable.)))
  • alone
    alone 7 August 2013 13: 25 New
    0
    The EU’s annual tranche of 150 million euros to Armenia will not save Armenia from what it currently has.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 7 August 2013 13: 29 New
    +3
    Neither Armenia nor Ukraine will join any EU, just like Georgia, will join NATO ... I think that all this fuss just once again play on Russia's nerves .. We are patient (but there’s the same limit)
  • nevopros
    nevopros 7 August 2013 13: 30 New
    +4
    If this is the same Epifantsev whose book "Will there be a new Russian-Georgian war?" I’ve been gathering dust on my shelf for a couple of years, then I warn you that he has good experience in emotion games.
  • Manager
    Manager 7 August 2013 13: 48 New
    -2
    In addition to laughter does not cause anything))
    The relations between Armenia, Azerbaijan and the EU can be described as follows: A cuckoo praises a rooster for praising a cuckoo. (And about Russia - And Vaska listens and eats)
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 7 August 2013 13: 52 New
    +9
    The Armenians always had one problem - to eat a fish, and ... do not wash the pan. They themselves simply trudge on their "cunning" and the ability to adapt in the beginning to different living conditions, and then adapt the conditions for themselves. This very cunning is precisely what is why they, to put it mildly, are not loved. When it is profitable for them - they scream that they are Christians, at another moment - they rely on their Caucasian origin, catch a stream - shout about genocide, hide behind Russian bayonets - you can yank at Azerbaijan. And how do they behave in our cities? Personally, I was completely disappointed in the Armenians, as in the allies. For Russia - another ballast, a suitcase without a handle ...
    1. alone
      alone 7 August 2013 14: 06 New
      +1
      Russia's trouble is to choose allies. Before choosing allies, you need to consider what you give them and what you get in return.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 7 August 2013 15: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        Russia's trouble is to choose allies. Before choosing allies, you need to consider what you give them and what you get in return.

        Our PAPA will figure out who to choose and where to stick.
    2. donchepano
      donchepano 7 August 2013 15: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: IRBIS
      Exactly this cunning ... When it is beneficial for them - they scream that they are Christians, at another moment - they rely on their Caucasian origin, catch a stream - shout about genocide, hide behind Russian bayonets - you can yank at Azerbaijan. And how do they behave in our cities? Personally, I was completely disappointed in the Armenians, as in the allies. For Russia - another ballast, a suitcase without a handle ...


      You know, I recently noticed this too. What is being done in Russia in recent days ... This is a nightmare !!
    3. donchepano
      donchepano 7 August 2013 18: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: IRBIS
      Personally, I was completely disappointed in the Armenians, as in the allies.


      The most interesting thing is that they are great provocateurs and instigators:
      I personally witnessed the inciting, and more than once,
      they say to Muslims - “Russians must be slaughtered. They are pigs, the cattle of Caucasians do not like us”
      The same Russian man - "Caucasians should be killed by their bastards .." and then "we are Christians, let’s together" ... What kind of meanness is this?
      Hitler-Goebbels policy
    4. Moon
      Moon 7 August 2013 23: 58 New
      +1
      Better name which of the former Russia has no such problems. It’s not for nothing that Epifantsev draws a parallel between Ukraine and Armenia.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 7 August 2013 14: 04 New
    +2
    Well, the article says obvious things that we said here, and the Russians themselves understood and saw it. The outpost is a kept woman who will always be pulled to the West, because there is a large diaspora in number not less than in Armenia itself, economically richer than Armenia and a more united and nationalist-minded and this part will always pull Armenia is their real Elite, of which they are proud and respected.
  • tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 7 August 2013 14: 11 New
    0
    The article is a big plus. You need to call a spade a spade. Armenia will have to make a choice and learn all its pros and cons on itself. As for Russia, as always, everything happens with a delay, like that of a giraffe (on the neck on the third day). It has long been time to build our policy based on the benefits of our Fatherland, and not a narrow circle of "interested parties." For a long time it was necessary to establish tight control over migrants, to stop incomprehensible flirting with the buys and beys of local bottling for their alleged loyalty. Only by pursuing a clear, concise, and pragmatic policy can success be achieved. And somehow livelier, more cooperative.
  • Manager
    Manager 7 August 2013 14: 17 New
    0
    Quote: xasharat
    We will all be happy and happy.

    At the bottom of the signature - The people of Azerbaijan)))
    But seriously, wait and see.
  • individual
    individual 7 August 2013 14: 24 New
    +1
    If the Armenian marginals who write negative about Russia on Facebook and chat rooms do not dictate the policy of official Yerevan, then how to understand the presentation by the President of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan to the highest Armenian Order of Honor, not shaking hands for Russia Saakashvili! This happened literally a year after 08.08.08.
    A "bell" sounded for Russian diplomacy, but they did not want to hear it.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 7 August 2013 14: 42 New
      +2
      The "bell" sounds for a long time, only someone pretends to be hard of hearing. Go to any Armenian site, you will learn a lot about yourself.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 7 August 2013 15: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: xetai9977
        The "bell" sounds for a long time, only someone pretends to be hard of hearing. Go to any Armenian site, you will learn a lot about yourself.

        “Lift me up my eyelids” —Vii.
        Put something shortly. Read.
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 7 August 2013 16: 15 New
          +1
          Please ARMENIANREPORT.COM/PUBS/64707 AND THERE SAME / 64496 in the same place / 62392, etc. There are other sites. But it will be a long time.
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 7 August 2013 16: 34 New
            +4
            Quote: xetai9977
            Please ARMENIANREPORT.COM/PUBS/64707 AND THERE SAME / 64496 in the same place / 62392, etc. There are other sites. But it will be a long time.

            It does not open for me :(
          2. Essenger
            Essenger 7 August 2013 17: 20 New
            +3
            Walked on fast
            Conclusion:
            1. Russia is obliged to accept migrants
            2. Russia is morally responsible for the genocide in Turkey
            3. Russia must recognize Nagorno-Karabakh (Why didn’t Armenia recognize?) This is a question.
            4. Russia is obliged to curtail all trade with Azerbaijan and Turkey.
            5. Russia must finance Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh.
            6. Russia does not have the right to supply arms to Azerbaijan.
            Didn’t forget anything?
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 7 August 2013 18: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: Essenger
              Didn’t forget anything?

              yes it seems no)) And although they forgot about the Armenian spirit))))
            2. alone
              alone 7 August 2013 22: 03 New
              +1
              Well, how do you like all this?
          3. Voskepar
            Voskepar 7 August 2013 23: 23 New
            -2
            This site is the same Armenian as this one is Azerbaijani:
            http://baku.am/
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 8 August 2013 10: 33 New
              +3
              Yes really? Slightly what, and renounce your own? What about tert.am?
        2. alone
          alone 7 August 2013 16: 18 New
          0
          http://armenianreport.com/pubs/65334

          read this.))))
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    2. donchepano
      donchepano 7 August 2013 22: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: individ
      how to understand the presentation by the President of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan to Saakashvili, not shaking hands for Russia, of the highest Armenian Order of Honor! This happened literally a year after 08.08.08.

      Yes, Meanness has no limit!
  • pa_nik
    pa_nik 7 August 2013 14: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: Constantine
    I suggest opening history books and tracing how they were defended,


    The time has come when history books don’t request ... the story is written by other sources of information (media in all modern manifestations are meant) and is immediately used for the joy of the sponsors of these same media recourse
  • pa_nik
    pa_nik 7 August 2013 15: 00 New
    +1
    And yet .. very correctly, Andrei Epifantsev noted in an interview that only time can solve the most pressing issue for Armenia (Nagorno-Karabakh). The generations that participated in the war must change, and then maybe .. New people will see solutions that are currently unacceptable or unacceptable. What will be the solutions? We will see. But the fact that Russia is more and more like a student to whom classmates declared a boycott, except for a couple of two, the most devoted friends, is definitely frustrating and alarming: does it make sense to maintain relations with the boycotting "mass"? recourse
  • ed65b
    ed65b 7 August 2013 15: 01 New
    +3
    The Armenians themselves will do what Azerbaijan only dreamed of. Baku agents are working in the right direction. You give an association with the EU and Karabakh falls at the feet of Baku in any form and without the use of force. Bravo Armenians.
  • Nester
    Nester 7 August 2013 15: 06 New
    0
    Something tells me that if Europe (NATO) will "steer" in this region, then the Karabakh problem will not be solved. The whole region will dance to the same tune, and Azerbaijan and Armenia. And what they say to do, then the governments of these countries will do. And if someone doesn’t like it, then the brothers for the freedom of Whom it would be convenient if only Salvage were Payable, “he would come from Syria and there would be some order”. So, neither Azerbaijan nor Armenia would win from it.
    Europe already has a suitcase without a handle Greece, why do they need Armenia?
    In general, I’m thinking something like that.
    1. alone
      alone 7 August 2013 15: 13 New
      +2
      we do not need Europe. what for we need European LGBT reasoning.
      1. Nester
        Nester 7 August 2013 15: 21 New
        +1
        I fully support.
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 7 August 2013 15: 35 New
      +1
      Yes, in Europe, these suitcases without a handle, the train will be typed. One less, one more does not affect the alignment. Digest. Again, in Spain, slaves are needed, and then Africa is quite lazy. Here, the Ukrainians will replace the Poles, the Poles to be promoted to overseers, the Spaniards, the Portuguese - Armenians, instead of Arabs and Negroes.
  • Black
    Black 7 August 2013 16: 56 New
    +2
    Good day to all.
    I liked the fact that the Epifantsev’s problem was not to blame on either side, in any case, it seemed to me that way.
    Thank God, Russia has become more pragmatic in foreign policy.
    Armenia, like any small country with big problems, is looking for someone to rely on. (If not more).
    That's just ... if you put it on the scales vitally !!! recourse important
    The South Caucasus is for Russia, and the life of Armenia is on the other scales ... I wonder what will drag it in? I would like to ask our Armenian brothers ..
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 August 2013 17: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Chen
      I would like to ask our Armenian brothers ..

      Brothers? Only the Armenians do not know about it. We are choking with such "little brothers"
    2. donchepano
      donchepano 7 August 2013 17: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Chen
      I would like to ask our Armenian brothers ..

      These "little brothers" will sell for 5 cents in two seconds
      1. Hairy Siberian
        Hairy Siberian 7 August 2013 18: 07 New
        -4
        Quote: donchepano
        These "little brothers" will sell for 5 cents in two seconds

        Yes, for you and 5 cents is expensive.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 August 2013 18: 19 New
          +2
          Siberian? What do khachkars do in Irkutsk? Is it now also the original Armenian land?
          1. Hairy Siberian
            Hairy Siberian 7 August 2013 18: 37 New
            -4
            Quote: Spade
            Siberian? What do khachkars do in Irkutsk? Is it now also the original Armenian land?

            No, Irkutsk is Russian land. And the Armenians do not pretend to it as well as Adler or Sochi. These are all the machinations of Azerbaijani propaganda working to poison Armenians with Russians and Muslims. Although Armenians are at enmity only with Turks. unfortunately Armenia is losing the information war.
            Khachkar in translation from Armenian means cross-stone. By the way, in November 2010, the art of creating khachkars of khachkars was included in the representative list of UNESCO on the intangible cultural heritage of mankind. Why do they bother you.
            If you dislike crosses, contact the Duma with a request to ban khachkars in Russia.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 7 August 2013 18: 49 New
              +3
              Quote: Hairy Siberian
              This is all the machinations of Azerbaijani propaganda

              Dear, what intrigues? 99,9% of Russia's population does not know what a khachkar is.
              And about the Russian-Armenian friendship, three ribs broken in my school years will always remind me.
              1. Hairy Siberian
                Hairy Siberian 7 August 2013 19: 07 New
                -3
                Quote: Spade
                Dear, what intrigues?

                What intrigues, I already wrote to you.
                Quote: Spade
                99,9% of Russia's population does not know what a khachkar is.

                And they don’t have to know. Although they would just leave alone.
                Quote: Spade
                And about the Russian-Armenian friendship, three ribs broken in my school years will always remind me.

                You have a very good memory and fragile ribs.
                At the expense of human friendship, I still believe in it, but after selling arms to Azerbaijan, I don’t believe in allied friendship.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 7 August 2013 19: 22 New
                  +5
                  I have good ribs. This is not really your scumbags. Like brains. In military camps, trying to take the store "under the roof" is not worth it. That the special officers very clearly explained to them, taking all six participants to the taiga to talk.

                  And about the "alliance" - the other day I came across a record "but we are buying something normal, or just bring to mind the old d..mo that the us are given to us". Record of last year. Allies, damn it.
                  1. Hairy Siberian
                    Hairy Siberian 7 August 2013 20: 06 New
                    -4
                    Well, why are you so unlucky - you will run into the frostbites, then they left them on the record.
                    Vicious Comments are unclear who on the Internet should not influence the taken interstate obligations.
                2. Apollo
                  7 August 2013 21: 35 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Hairy Siberian
                  but after selling arms to Azerbaijan, I don’t believe in allied friendship.



                  short excerpts from the interview

                  excerpt from the article Now Armenia and Russia are strategic partners, and Armenia, in my opinion, has too high expectations from this status, laying on it too great expectations. It seems to Armenia that Russia, being a strategic partner, must solve all her problemseven to the detriment self-interest. Russia put forward quite high requirements: she is expected to pursue a policy should be based solely on considerations of strategic partnership, and, in addition, should be fraternal. If Russia does not fulfill the requirements Armenia then immediately faces attacks and accusations of violating the principles of strategic partnership.

                  This is the position of Armenia.

                  and now the position of Russia

                  excerpt from the article - It would seem that the choice is simple and logical - Russia is the guarantor of security Armenia, acts as the largest foreign investor in the country's economysupports her on international sceneannually takes tens of thousands of labor migrants etc.

                  EU position
                  excerpt from article- EU, in fact, does not offer Armenia nothing.


                  It seems that you have not read the interview ?! winked
            2. Apollo
              7 August 2013 21: 21 New
              +3
              Quote: Hairy Siberian
              No, Irkutsk is a Russian land. And the Armenians do not pretend to it as well as Adler or Sochi. This is all the machinations of Azerbaijani propaganda working to pit Armenians against Russians and Muslims.


              Have you read the interview carefully?! The conversation was conducted by Emil Babayan.
              By the way, for your information, IA Regnum also belongs to a representative of your nationality.



              Quote: Hairy Siberian
              unfortunately Armenia is losing the information war.


              Notice we didn’t start and you don’t lose anything, it’s just that the truth takes up.


              Quote: Hairy Siberian
              If you dislike crosses, contact the Duma with a request to ban khachkars in Russia.


              That's the way it always is when you have nothing to cover, beat the thinnest strings and trust in religious solidarity.

              You know how I have such a reverent attitude towards Orthodoxy, you don’t know, then I’ll answer in the south of Moldova the people of Gagauz live, the Gagauz people belong to the Turkic group of the Altai family and they are Orthodox by religion. You guess where my opponent is, they are our brothers, although the faith is different .
            3. donchepano
              donchepano 7 August 2013 22: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: Hairy Siberian
              No, Irkutsk is a Russian land. And the Armenians do not pretend to it as well as Adler or Sochi. This is all the machinations of Azerbaijani propaganda working to pit Armenians against Russians and Muslims.


              So far, your tribe has pitted various nations across the country.
              Even small puppies like Danielian at the 847th school in Moscow managed to translate the tragedy into a national conflict and set Muslims against Russian children. Well, that didn’t come to school stabbing
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        3. donchepano
          donchepano 7 August 2013 22: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: Hairy Siberian
          Yes, for you and 5 cents is expensive.


          But you don’t have to be rude to a boy. Will you be rude to your father or are you only beating Russian old people? honor and respect ...
          Good pseudo Caucasian upbringing
          1. alone
            alone 7 August 2013 22: 34 New
            0
            for such an education would most likely be whipped with a belt in a soft place))
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          1. 225chay
            225chay 8 August 2013 12: 11 New
            -1
            Quote: donchepano
            And you don’t need to write to the neighbors under the wall, and even to those who “protect your peace and feed” your whole horde may even be depriving our old and poor people that you only feel good. Russian outback and in Central Russia
            people live in poverty and you receive constant financial assistance.


            It is clear that they live off the poor Russians.
            You can see on the roads of Russia Armenian villas and palaces cafes and restaurants built with left-hand vodka and some with the sale of drugs.
            Fool and poison ordinary ordinary Russians in full, and even climbed on the neck
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 7 August 2013 18: 08 New
        +3
        They pursue their interests. But what is the point for us to support them - frankly, I do not know. We need a base in Armenia, like a dog’s fifth leg.
        1. alone
          alone 7 August 2013 22: 02 New
          0
          you see. even you already have doubts about support)))
      3. Voskepar
        Voskepar 7 August 2013 22: 58 New
        -3
        Something cheap you rated yourself. (((((
  • Bakht
    Bakht 7 August 2013 20: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Uncle Serezha
    We pursue our interests. The fact that the interests of Armenia and ours largely coincide is that the Armenians were just lucky.


    What is the coincidence of interests? Why should Russia hold back Turkey or Azerbaijan? What, these countries pose a threat to Russia?

    To support Armenia is to spoil relations with Turkey (I’m not even talking about Azerbaijan). What to do with South Stream or trade? Or with tourism? Is it really worse to rest in Turkey than in Armenia? It’s better and cheaper to relax in Azerbaijan. And there is no language barrier.

    In general, I did not understand. The stamps remained, but the reality is completely different. Russia has invested heavily in the Armenian economy, fuel and energy complex, transport, construction). And now Armenia has wagged its tail. This is a complete fiasco of Russia's policy in the South Caucasus.
    1. 225chay
      225chay 7 August 2013 22: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: Bakht
      Russia has invested heavily in the Armenian economy, fuel and energy complex, transport, construction). And now Armenia has wagged its tail. This is a complete fiasco of Russia's policy in the South Caucasus.


      Everything would be fine, but the behavior of the Armenian diaspora in recent times towards Russians has simply crossed all borders ...
      By the way, I read the sites of Armenians and their statements about Russia ... That's how they lose the last allies
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 7 August 2013 23: 15 New
        -1
        It has always been. In general, I am completely disconnected from Armenia. Nobody managed to sit on two chairs for so long. To get support from two sides: from the West and Russia it must be able to. But the moment of truth has come. And no matter what Russia does or offers, Armenia will always look to the West.

        The logic here is simple. Armenia has already received everything it wanted from Russia. And now, whatever you propose, Armenia will turn to the West. Fixing the position is possible only with the help of the West.

        Moreover, now is the right time. If the West nevertheless creates an independent Kurdistan (and this is the way to go), then Armenia will replenish its territories (and substantially). And this is such a tidbit, for which it is not a pity to turn back to Russia.
  • dustycat
    dustycat 7 August 2013 21: 23 New
    +5
    Armenia without Russia kapets. Shameful and mediocre.
    Russia without Armenia ... So what? Somehow we live. Calmly and without tension ..
    Complementarity of Armenian policy? Multivectorhood can be afforded only by economically strong and large states in the list of which Armenia is not and never will be.
    So Armenia needs to think very well.
    What Armenia needs is multi-vector or existence.
  • zub46
    zub46 7 August 2013 23: 13 New
    +4
    The fact that we waited from Armenia strongly resembles prostitution. Hold the flag in her hands. And Russia (and all of us) is once again a science (see Bulgaria, Serbia, probably, Ukraine). We survive. It is better to revive your defense industry, industry as a whole, to create a strong army according to the Soviet patterns, while the old people, carriers of the Soviet experience, are still alive. About 30 years ago, while on business trips to Armenia, it was impossible not to notice the sacred trepidation of local youth with different rags, especially with the American stigma. Youth has grown, and we have what we have ...
  • Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 7 August 2013 23: 13 New
    +2
    Not an article, a folio however - it was not enough to read the spirit. Can and in short, why chew?
    1. Moon
      Moon 8 August 2013 00: 11 New
      -1
      In vain you are so Epifantsev clever.

      http://www.apn.ru/publications/article21261.htm
  • Moon
    Moon 8 August 2013 00: 08 New
    -2
    Quote: Bakht
    If the West nevertheless creates an independent Kurdistan (and this is the way to go), then Armenia will replenish its territories (and substantially).

    You will return Karabakh first.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 8 August 2013 00: 38 New
      +2
      It's time. There is no other way. Without the settlement of territorial disputes, there will be no peace in the South Caucasus. This is an axiom.

      The lack of peace in this region creates the prerequisites for Western interference in our affairs.

      So, objectively, a settlement in the South Caucasus is a vital task for Russia. An alternative is the presence of Western peacekeepers (consider the military) on the southern borders of Russia. Do you need this?

      The territorial problems of Georgia led there amers. Unresolved Karabakh problem - sooner or later will also bring amers to Azerbaijan. While Azerbaijan does not go this way. But ... anything can happen.

      If the West decides to create Kurdistan, then the presence of amers in Armenia will also become a necessity. So the situation may be very, very unfavorable for Russia.

      Well, let the Kremlin trade the situation.
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  • Anti
    Anti 8 August 2013 01: 01 New
    +1
    KILLING POWER - a cool movie good
  • Egen
    Egen 8 August 2013 06: 21 New
    +2
    Dear forum users hi
    I honestly read articles and comments from A to Z, spent almost an hour, but did not understand the main thing, namely: why do we still need Armenia? Can anyone give a layout on the fingers?
    As I understand it, there are no industry and resources there, i.e. from her like a goat of milk. On the other hand, weights, we have problems with migrants, and hence with the employment of our own population and pumping out money, and the supply of energy and weapons at low prices, i.e. lost profits. Whatever you throw - everything in balance is minus.
    Plus, supposedly political stability in the region, but do we need it? "Divide and conquer" came up with a long time. Is it really for the sake of ghostly preferences in the future that we are sweeping so many things into the Caucasus?
    Probably I just don’t have all the information, since I don’t understand something, please enlighten.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 8 August 2013 08: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: Egen
    Whatever you throw - everything in balance is minus.
    In addition, only supposedly political stability in the region,

    Look at the root. Quite rightly noticed. And then here all have solid stamps. Outpost, Russia's interests ...

    There is no stability in the region. War is on the nose.

    What is the interest of Russia? For 20 years of outpost maintenance, what has Russia received? I am not even talking about economic disadvantages. In political terms. Continuation of the current policy will lead to the emergence of NATO troops in the South Caucasus. Here already Armenia cannot be given the palm. Georgia has done this before. Western moods are also strong in Azerbaijan. But while the leadership does not take this step. Although everything is ready. And Armenia will gladly replace the Russian base with the American one under certain conditions. And these conditions seem to be approaching.
  • whispering
    whispering 8 August 2013 08: 57 New
    -1
    I don’t look here alone pokrovokator. Well, why should you poison Russians against Armenians with your comments to nothing? Azerbaijanis ..you at least have an atomic bomb in your hands and you won’t be able to fight .. you’re not a good fighter, so don’t rock the boat. As for the attitude of Armenia with the EU, this does not mean a blow to the back of Russia ... Armenia has always been a brotherly country of Russia to them and there will be no evil to it and it is not necessary to poison ordinary ordinary citizens of both countries. But Putin is far from Aliyev .. he is a smart politician and a powerful strategist, I do not think that the situation has gotten out of the country.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 8 August 2013 10: 54 New
      +3
      Although there’s one very wise oriental parable, “if someone deceived me, ALLAH punish him, if he deceived me a second time, ALLAH punish me.” And if you do not see (though, most likely, see but don’t admit) that for 20 years you’ve simply been used without giving anything in return, and they are blackmailing you, then there really is no limit to human blindness.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 8 August 2013 14: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: Shota
      Azerbaijanis .. yes you at least have an atomic bomb in your hands and you won’t be able to fight .. you’re not a good fighter so don’t rock the boat

      He is an Armenian, an Armenian. The foreign base of the Armenians, the Russians protect their borders, already 2 defense treaties 1 with Russia another with the Collective Security Treaty Organization, you can only talk to the Russians. Great Armenian spirit, increases diametrically when the Russian is nearby. Put on your pants as soon as Russians will leave.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 8 August 2013 09: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: Shota

    Here, no one is poisoning one on another. In any case, I do not. You know better who is in your “brothers” sitting. And who can fight or cannot - only war will show. And I'm afraid she's just around the corner.

    Do you want me to make Armenia an enemy of Russia in two minutes? Diplomacy is not a comment on what happened. This is creating the right situations. And the States skillfully create these situations. And Russian diplomacy only answers the challenges. This is the main difference.

    Just honestly answer one question: 20 post-Soviet years in the South Caucasus, what has Russian diplomacy achieved? I lost two countries and put unpredictable “brothers” on my hump. And this very “brother” I can quickly make an enemy of Russia (on this site).

    Continuation of this policy will lead to the loss of the South Caucasus and the appearance of NATO soldiers here. A different approach could bring all three countries into Russian orbit. Although this is problematic. A lot of time wasted on preserving myths and cliches.
  • Anti
    Anti 8 August 2013 13: 15 New
    -3
    I found a solution to the problem !!! winked
    1) .Disarm all military units (for refusing to destroy)
    2) .Return all refugees from both sides to their former places of residence (use force to refuse return).
    3). Establish the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation throughout the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh.
    4) .Appoint the Russian administration.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 8 August 2013 14: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Anti
    I found a solution to the problem !!! winked
    1) .Disarm all military units (for refusing to destroy)
    2) .Return all refugees from both sides to their former places of residence (use force to refuse return).
    3). Establish the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation throughout the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh.
    4) .Appoint the Russian administration.

    wassat I like. Cardinal solution to the problem wassat
    Assuming a lot of minuses, I propose a similar decision regarding Chechnya

    1) .Disarm all military units (for refusing to destroy)
    This concerns Kadyrov’s bodyguard, which is rumored to have exceeded
    brigade and well armed

    2) .Return all refugees from both sides to their former places of residence (use force to refuse return).
    This applies to the Russian-speaking population and (most importantly) those Chechens who settled in Moscow

    3). Establish the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation throughout Chechnya.
    No comments

    4) .Appoint the Russian administration. Honestly, it’s high time to appoint the Russian administration in the Kremlin

    Wonderful plan. Honestly, I like it.
    1. Anti
      Anti 8 August 2013 14: 47 New
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      HONORED! The first minus from me this time.
      The problem with Chechnya has been resolved, which I also wish you.
      At the expense of returning refugees there. it is also not far off.
      The jurisdiction of the Russian Federation, operates throughout the territory, unlike ...
      Envy runs into the Kremlin’s account, I understand, maybe you’ll be lucky someday. lol
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 8 August 2013 15: 02 New
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        On health.

        You won’t scare me with a minus. :-)

        When you stop paying Chechnya, I will believe you. In the meantime, the subjects of the North Caucasus hold all the ratings for subsidies from the federal budget. If the Russian non-black soil would receive the same amount of money, then you would not know grief.

        There is no envy. The fact that anti-Russian officials are sitting in the Kremlin is not what I say. PolRossii talks about this. Both left and right. But these are your problems. My neighbors worry me more. And my own government (which is also not sugar).

        I don’t put anyone cons. Everyone has their own opinion. But you seem not to see emoticons there.
        1. Anti
          Anti 8 August 2013 15: 19 New
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          Well, this is not a payment, but the restoration of housing for refugees, "accidentally hooked with a chair" laughing I'm on Chechnya.
          The grief was in the 90s and now life is getting better, slowly but still. So do not dramatize.
          No, you all say that the key to solving your problem is in the hands of Russia, here we have one of the solutions from above, I discussed with my colleagues at the factory and decided to submit our proposal for discussion at the forum. What am I going to tell them that they are messing with us? request
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 8 August 2013 15: 40 New
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            Thank you for taking such a lively part. Even at the factory!

            I did not minus. I do not have such a habit.

            There is one more point that I would like to dwell on. Maybe someone writes that the solution to the problem is in Moscow. But not me. I have always stood and stand in the position that this is an internal affair of Azerbaijan. Not even Armenia.

            The problem is that I'm not a big fan of the West. And I do not welcome the arrival of amers in Azerbaijan. And then, after Russia loses influence in the South Caucasus, the whole North Caucasus will burn. The techniques are worked out. Therefore, I write all the time that the sand flows away very quickly. And the decision must be made.

            By the way, you don’t know why I always write the South Caucasus, and not Transcaucasia? This is important :-)

            PS And as for Chechnya, I would not be so sure. God grant that everything will calm down. But I can feel my spinal cord that is still ahead.
            1. Anti
              Anti 8 August 2013 15: 55 New
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              Quote: Bakht
              By the way, you don’t know why I always write the South Caucasus, and not Transcaucasia? This is important :-)


              Important for whom?
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 8 August 2013 16: 17 New
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                For Russia. I'm on a Russian site. :-)
                1. Anti
                  Anti 9 August 2013 00: 37 New
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                  Quote: Bakht
                  For Russia. I'm on a Russian site. :-)


                  The most respectable of the most respectable, the Azerbaijani patriot of Russia !!
                  Descend, lighten the darkened mind, what is important in changing a geographical name to a geopolitical ??
        2. 225chay
          225chay 8 August 2013 16: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: Bakht
          There is no envy. The fact that anti-Russian officials are sitting in the Kremlin is not what I say. PolRossii talks about this. Both left and right.


          + 100005000 !! All to the point
    2. 225chay
      225chay 8 August 2013 16: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: Bakht
      Honestly, it’s high time to appoint the Russian administration in the Kremlin

      Ha ha! Well done Bakhtiyar, just noticed ..)) ++
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 8 August 2013 16: 58 New
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        Thanks for the support.

        But honestly, it is depressing. In general, Suvorov said that if the quartermaster served for three years, then he can immediately be sent to prison without trial. I'm afraid the Generalissimo was right.

        PS This applies to any officials from any country.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 9 August 2013 11: 07 New
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    Quote: Anti
    The most respectable of the most respectable, the Azerbaijani patriot of Russia !!
    Descend, lighten the darkened mind, what is important in changing a geographical name to a geopolitical ??

    I was taught that if they say Venerable, it’s on the neck. And when they say to you DEAR - then this is already at the end. laughing

    Both names are geopolitical. Transcaucasia is a term for Russia. And in the world it is customary to say the South Caucasus. So now the second name is more in use. Having lost the Transcaucasian republics, the term Transcaucasia for Russia also loses its meaning. So it is not with us, but in Moscow that they must decide which name will remain in use.

    PS I have such a fate. In Russia, they consider me an Azerbaijani nationalist. In Azerbaijan, a Russian spy. I am a patriot of Azerbaijan, who believes that "the eternal happiness of the Azerbaijani people is connected with Russia." Unfortunately, Russia has done everything for me to remain in the minority.

    PPS There is now a discussion on Leontief’s article. I do not want to participate, so as not to break. That is another storyteller. fool
  • donchepano
    donchepano 14 August 2013 11: 05 New
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    Quote: Bakht
    I am a patriot of Azerbaijan, who believes that "the eternal happiness of the Azerbaijani people is connected with Russia." Unfortunately, Russia has done everything for me to remain in the minority.

    Not Russia, but the Russian, or rather the Russian government ...
    It is not the same.
    Yours faithfully! )))