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About a lie wrapped in truth

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About a lie wrapped in truthI read a wonderful material "From the sleeve of Stalin's overcoat»Alexander Roslyakov. Well written, but in my opinion, the topic needs to be developed.


So why the statement “freedom is better than not freedom” creates such dirty tricks on earth? Is it wrong? No, right. It is as true as the knife blade is true. Which can save lives and take away life ... Crafty people have wrapped the truth of the slogan with a lie of action, deceiving the people who trusted them. How? But…

Freedom. What is it in liberal terms? It is an opportunity to do nothing without the desire of a free individual. Tempting, right? I do not want and I will not! Yes, yes, dear, of course ... do not eat this nasty mess, candy. What do you want candy? That somehow happens. Freedom, as liberals understand it, and to be precise, how they impose it on us is the freedom of the child. "Inner child", yeah ...

Only she has one feature. With this freedom you will not grow up. That is, you become big, eat a lot and want everything. And you find out - you can not do anything of what you want! How so?! And so. Do you want to be strong? But to be strong, it takes years of merciless self-restraint! Moreover, much of what you want to be able to do now (for example, to fight effectively. Not to kill, it’s much easier, but to fight - to disable the enemy without killing him, and not even crippling much) in 5! Did you want it in 5 years? Wanted to cry of pain in ruthless training? I wanted to devote most of my time to harsh, tediously monotonous, painful activities, I wanted to shed blood? And the beautiful results from all this will be in years ... You would like to be smart, well-educated, in order to get a good, well-paid job, but generally you would like to be Tony Stark, an iron man. That is, to have a mountain of money for inventions, poshamanit with something so iron and create a super suit.

Funny. But why not? Do you want Be Zasjad 7 years for textbooks. Throw away everything except science, knowledge, exhausting (the student spends more energy and faster than chopping by hand basalt stone masons) mind training. Borrow this 15-20 years. Move from physics to mechanics, from mechanics to chemistry and cybernetics. Do not go physics? And you also need a super-source of energy, and then the iron spinjac does not fly! Remember who was the most successful physicist in stories. Who created the physical section on which the whole of modern civilization is based. Sir Isaac Newton! That is, what are you missing? Right. Newton was engaged in physics so far as. The main business of his life was, of course ... theology. Somehow, the study of religious thought organized the brain of this person (and why do you think liberal sources emanate with such a hysterical scare to attempt to introduce electives in higher educational institutions on religious subjects? They are afraid ...) We'll have to study that too ...

And what do we see? We see that the whole thing is how to understand freedom. You can be free, giving up everything that you do not want now. And you can become free. That is to pass years of restrictions, pain, fatigue, classes and training, being driven by someone else's will. By the will of people who know what can come of you. Those who laugh (and it hurts a lot. It hurts more than any abrasions, it infuriates and despairs!) When you mumble "I don't want!". So what? They say these merciless people and then yell: oh get up !! And you get up ... with tears and reluctance. What kind of freedom is there?
Well ... once you realize that you have been taught everything that they could. That even when you were beaten (when you broke bones, when you risked your life. When you took away what you dreamed of, when you were forced to train your brain to the point that you forgot simple words ...) they loved you. They hoped for you, they wanted to give you something that cannot be given in any other way ... You understand - now you are free! Free to do such things, free to achieve what never, under any circumstances, to those who gave the same years to non-tense games. You are free because you own yourself, which means you own the whole world. Your knowledge, skills and development can give you everything that you consider necessary. You see around you and you understand as much as you will never see and will not understand "children forever." Just because they do not know. And do not know. Their brains can never digest a tenth of the information flow that flows easily in yours. Now you are FREE.

And what about the liberals? Well, first you need to separate the liberals of the West and our liberals. Why are we so eager to take away from people the freedom of power, the freedom of knowledge, the freedom to do and create? Why do they fanatically want to replace business with sweet idleness? Well, to be honest ... mainly because this is their mental development. They are sincere in their illiterate but terribly pretentious cries, they believe that they want good ...

And the western? Well, these are perfectly aware that "in the land of the blind and the curve is the king." That is, against the background of “inner children,” that is, big but weak, amorphous, impotent people, they, Western liberals, look very cool. Hunting for beautiful females immeasurably easier, yes ...

But if seriously, then Western liberal "thinkers" are not in themselves. They are at work, free thought on salary so to speak. And they serve those who, in their children, in their circle of liberalism, do not allow their hair either. They are beating their children, they maintain iron discipline, they tear their veins for their own development and the development of children. His children, not all of course. These people are the power of the West. No not like this. POWER. Those who used to walk on their heads, reaching their goals with blood and sweat, and always with other people's blood. But the sweat - them. Strong to be hard.

And these people do not want to be on their way (and so consisting of continuous fights for life and death) ranks of competitors. That there was a whole country, where the residents are trying to raise strong children and not submissive slaves. They generally want the little people of ... to fall. And it is hard for them to throw on the crown. And would you come up with a better tool than this sweet, optional, relaxed and pleasant “freedom”?
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  1. Very old
    Very old 13 August 2013 06: 12 New
    +5
    The worst thing is the monopoly on "freedom", when freedom is only for me. When I have the freedom to dictate my understanding of freedom, when I am free to rule your freedom. This is the freedom of the mighty of this world. While...
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 13 August 2013 12: 00 New
      +6
      In our country, the so-called "campaign against liberalism" is actively gaining momentum - my opinion is that this is a wrapper of lies, within which the truth is wrapped - the desire of the top merchants to limit the civil liberties of the Russian people.
      We have already been deprived of the right to work, the right to free education, the right to free medicine, the right to rest, the right to freedom of assembly. And all this is wrapped in the foil of a false fight against Isms (in this case, with liberalism). But the main flaw of liberalism is the primacy of the interests of the individual over social interests, none of the fighters against "Liberalism" dares to touch, because it ensures the superiority of the interests of oligarchs and large owners over the interests of the people of the country.
      So the raised flag of "the fight against liberalism" is just a screen, which is being intensely exaggerated by the media at the request of the ruling elite.
      By the way, a campaign against "liberalism" has also begun in the United States.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 13 August 2013 13: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: S_mirnov
        We have already taken away the right to work, the right to free education, the right to free medicine, the right to rest,

        Well, the liberals took away all this from you in 91 first, your claims to them.
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 13 August 2013 15: 54 New
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          Quote: SPACE
          Well, the liberals took away all this from you in 91 first, your claims to them.

          And what did the liberals of the 91st evaporate somewhere? And now who is in power not liberals?
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4iYgGWmH1k
          so the president says that he is a liberal.
          And freedom of assembly, the right to free education and medicine were taken away after the 91st. Those. the process is on!
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 13 August 2013 19: 17 New
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            Quote: S_mirnov
            so the president says that he is a liberal.

            Comrade S_mirnov, just tell me honestly: If tomorrow Mr. Putin declares to everyone that he has become Comrade Putin, will you also assume that communism has come into the country and will love Comrade Putin passionately?
            This is to our previous conversation about what the authorities say. Well, they reassured the "better half" of the electorate, tomorrow they will reassure you, business then. Yap at every advertising sign. The content, the case is important, not the label, the title.
            Quote: S_mirnov
            In our country, the so-called "campaign against liberalism" is actively gaining momentum - in my opinion,

            Just your opinion, nothing more. It seems that you sympathize with the liberal, you quickly change shoes, well, of course you are not interested in ideology, you are interested in Putin.
            Quote: S_mirnov
            So the raised flag of "the fight against liberalism" is just a screen, which is being actively exaggerated by the media at the request of the ruling elite. By the way, a campaign against "liberalism" has also begun in the United States.

            Tough work tovarschi! laughing
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 13 August 2013 23: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: SPACE
              If tomorrow, Mr. Putin declares to everyone that he has become Comrade Putin,

              - he constantly says something, it is already perceived by me as white noise.
              “What matters is the content, the deeds, not the label, the name.” - are you talking about the second wave of privatization or about joining the WTO or about migration policy? Yes, as the classics say, "by their deeds you will recognize them!"
              "It looks like you sympathize with a liberal," - I never sympathized with them. Again on the classics - "you listen, but you do not hear." If you muffle emotions and read carefully, you will understand that what is happening in our country has nothing to do with the fight against liberalism.

              Quote: SPACE
              Just your opinion, nothing more.

              for sure, that's what I say.
              Quote: SPACE
              Tough work tovarschi!


              Stop distorting words, gum club style is not suitable for smart people. Or imitate the goblin?
              1. SPACE
                SPACE 14 August 2013 20: 35 New
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                Quote: S_mirnov
                he constantly declares something, it is already perceived by me as white noise.

                But at the same time, this does not stop you from hearing that Putin is a liberal. Hearing, you have some kind of one-sided. The noise is most likely in your head.
                Quote: S_mirnov
                Are you talking about the second wave of privatization or about joining the WTO or about migration policy?

                There are other facts, but for some reason you don’t see them, I believe that there are true reasons and more reasonable explanations for everything, years through 5-10, you may understand.
  2. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 13 August 2013 06: 25 New
    +3
    The author does not understand anything either in the concept of "freedom" or in the concept of "freedom" as one of the categories of liberalism. He should first understand the first at least at the basic level and take into account that there are at least three basic concepts of "freedom", two of which provide for the inseparability of the concepts of "freedom" and "responsibility". Then to understand the place of the concept of "freedom" in the categorical apparatus of the theory of ideology, then - to think about the specifics of the concept of "freedom" in liberalism, and only then - to criticize the "freedom" of modern Western liberalism and ultra-modern - Russian. And so - I have not read the material of the level of the Higher Komsomol School of the USSR, but I will say.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 13 August 2013 07: 39 New
      +7
      If I remember something from either philosophy (well, naturally, Marxist-Leninist, no other philosophy was taught at that time), or scientific communism (there was such a discipline, they passed the state exam), then there was such a coined wording: "freedom is a conscious need".
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 13 August 2013 08: 21 New
        +4
        You remember correctly (you can't drink old education :)) In general, the philosophical concept of "freedom" as "necessity" and the combination of "freedom" and "responsibility" are the most common concepts in most philosophical systems, and not just ML. Yes, in fact, Marxism itself as a philosophical system has more than once or twice been "restored to rights" in contemporary philosophy. Leninism, on the other hand, goes under the "ideology" section along with a couple of dozen other similar constructions of the "third level". And "the freedom to do nothing without desire", which is affirmed by the author of the article as supposedly the basic value of liberalism, is in fact a typical everyday understanding of this concept, formed, obviously, under the influence of information gleaned from the same everyday sources: the media, propaganda brochures, before which the Soviet society "Knowledge" is just a storehouse of scientific wisdom, etc. "literature". A critical approach to Russian (and Western) "liberalism" is commendable, but I would still like to have a more serious level of criticism - otherwise the criticized will be mocked.
        1. maxvik
          maxvik 13 August 2013 11: 39 New
          -2
          You are talking about purely theoretical constructions. And the author of the article writes about how it works in practice. Well, it is impossible to realize the ideal combination of "freedom - responsibility".
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 13 August 2013 12: 36 New
            +1
            Here, after all, Christmas trees, sticks ... :) The author operates with incorrect concepts, although he tries to convey a common idea. But the result is this: figuratively speaking, tomorrow some liberal teacher will take this material from this site and "sort" it on the shelves in front of some students. And spreading an article is very easy. And students will understand that liberalism is good, and its various critics ... They do not stand up to any criticism, speaking in literary language. :)
            1. maxvik
              maxvik 13 August 2013 13: 27 New
              +1
              Understand that your criticism mainly refers to the personal knowledge of the author, but it is not clear what exactly you disagree with in the article. Where do you think the logic gap in the constructions of the author. And if he is unable to convey a sound idea, so help him, tell me.
              And please explain how it follows from this article that liberalism is good.
              1. Very old
                Very old 13 August 2013 18: 35 New
                +1
                Maxim, to you, of course +. We sometimes do not know how to properly polemize (more often we don’t want to). And the first and second debaters are partly right and wrong in some ways. They would have to clarify their positions without unnecessary reproaches ... Will they come to an agreement?
    2. Very old
      Very old 13 August 2013 07: 52 New
      +2
      Very much agree with you, Sergey. Freedom is not an abstract concept, and not a comprehensive category. I don’t remember who said: barking is allowed, but the leash as before, - Well, what kind of freedom is this? Freedom for a narrow circle is the essence of FICTION
    3. Mikhail3
      13 August 2013 09: 14 New
      +2
      Yes, tell us how cleverly you managed to arrange the "concept of freedom" so as to justify and substantiate liberalism laughing How I love you, experts in liberal sources! And if you sincerely take this trap for knowledge ... well, then, a Russian liberal, meaningless and merciless, there's nothing to be done.
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 13 August 2013 10: 12 New
        +4
        Here's how to figure out at least how liberalism, libertarism, neoliberalism differ from each other - then we'll talk. :)
        I do not condone or justify liberalism. But I know him much better than you. And I am not only a liberal, but I do not like any "isms" at all (because I know them). And I don't like people who 1) not knowing the ford climb into deep water, 2) easily stick labels.
        When finally, various critics will understand one simple truth: in order to criticize and be heard, you need to know what you criticize and better than those you criticize? Otherwise, this is not criticism, but childish babble, which critics make fun of, including.
        If you do not understand, I can explain more clearly. I don’t know your profession, but suppose that you are a football coach, say “Zenith”, and I’m never even a football fan (which is true), I begin to tell you about the specifics of the Brazilian style of play, its advantages and disadvantages, based on that "here is Pele - that yes !, and all sorts of Kaki - those are not!" And I also give out global forecasts about the development of football as a game. Is this clear?
        To summarize: you need to know the theory. And only then - to practice. Then there will be sense. From "spreading" the concept of "freedom" :)
        1. Mikhail3
          13 August 2013 11: 19 New
          +3
          “I don’t have to eat all the eggs to know they’re rotten.” Actually, I read the old economic dictionary ... but I have to remind you of something. A person who considers himself educated differs from the uneducated not by the fact that he shoved many books into his head. As a rule, this action only leads to grinding and polishing of natural jewels - stupidity of amazingly clear water.
          An intellectual is a person with a developed discipline of thinking. Such a person takes information when he needs it, in any quantities, keeping in mind only a certain base (albeit a very extensive one). And here you have it ... Sorry of course, but we (and this is amazing!) Are not on the site of a group of liberal philosophers who admire the beauty of their syllogisms. Therefore, my goal and cannot be a review of the wild ... delusional ... treacherous ... in short, all this smelly, but completely unsuitable for fertilizer lake of muck, called liberal sources, lies entirely outside the consideration of the issue.
          I wanted to give a practical recommendation. Explain something to people who are in the process of choosing a life path, but suffering from the filthy fog let loose by liberal "isms". Not only young people find themselves in such a situation, but also those, for example, who change their lives in adulthood. In retirement, let's say ... Believe me, libertarianism is along their legs ... But the question - do people need them as teachers and trainers - is a very serious question. And I would like to support them.
          Then no. I do not want to be heard by you at all. It just is not included in the circle of tasks that I solve. Rejoice at the serpentarium of the neoliberals you have gathered and beyond, without any hindrance. Seven feet under the keel ...
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 13 August 2013 12: 26 New
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            :) There is a wonderful dialogue in the film "On the Poor Hussar" between the colonel and the cornet Pletnev about reading books.
            Just in case, since you "read it in the old days": the intellectual is famous not for the discipline of thinking, but for his developed intellect and a penchant for analysis, and the concept itself is (somewhat simplifying, of course) an invention of those same liberals you hate, only in the 19th century.
            And regarding "I do not wish to be heard by you." Alas, respected practitioner, publishing a certain work, you must be prepared for the fact that you will be "heard" not only by those whom you would like to notify, but also by others. You will be criticized - some gently (like me), and some very harshly (believe me, it would not be difficult for me to "smash" your article from the position of some Chubais - there are enough "blunders" in it). And a statement like “I didn’t address you” will not correct the matter. The word is not a sparrow. And in order for your word to really sound weighty, it must be justified. But not by your emotions, but by your knowledge. And the beauty of syllogisms is secondary ...
        2. SPACE
          SPACE 13 August 2013 12: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: serge-68-68
          Here's how to figure out at least how liberalism, libertarism, neoliberalism differ from each other - then we'll talk. :)

          Quote: serge-68-68
          But I know him much better than you

          Quote: serge-68-68
          To summarize: you need to know the theory. And then - to move on to practice. Then the sense will be

          You so gloriously boast of your knowledge. Don't you think that your knowledge is pseudoscientific, a sand castle? For example, such knowledge as the number of PIs, the acceleration of free fall or the speed of light, etc., knowledge that is “static”, omnipotent laws of life that you cannot change or bribe with all your academic degrees and parties, laws, and even presidents. Therefore, they are called exact or fundamental. And what is the use of your knowledge, your “mobile demagogy” reminds me of scenery, it's like wallpaper on the walls, today I like it, tomorrow I pasted others. And the people who own and research them are reminiscent of playing the little spools, but you need people, or rather the most worthless part of humanity, to occupy with something, some kind of virtual fi-g, introduced in accordance with the basic principle of the theory of indirect control “divide and conquer” , only confuse people, juggling with concept and meaning. Yesterday you were taught one thing, but today your knowledge, perhaps no one needs it or is already false.
          To summarize: Maybe you should be a little more sober and more modest. Then there will be sense.
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 13 August 2013 13: 48 New
            +1
            Naturalist? The eternal dispute between "physicists" and "lyricists"? :) Didn't the example with PM and football satisfy you? Let's set up an experiment: you will name a topic close to you, I will speculate within the scope of the topicstarter's reasoning, and then I will see how you will "boast of knowledge", trying to explain to me that I am theoretically unprepared in elementary theory. And I will brand you with shame and hang labels ... At the same time we will see when you run out of patience ... :)
            And about the fundamental laws, omnipotent and static - somehow someone blurted out that "everything flows, everything changes" - today it is called autopoiesis and the term microbiologists have invented, just in case. And someone else - that kind of like "everything is relative." And the other day some physicists stopped the light for a decent chunk of time ... After all, what a curious thing with fundamental laws turns out. :)
            1. SPACE
              SPACE 13 August 2013 16: 01 New
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              Quote: serge-68-68
              Naturalist? The eternal dispute between "physicists" and "lyricists"? :) Didn't the example with PM and football satisfy you?

              There were two such philosophers, the German Kant and the Scotsman Hume, so one was a supporter of the primacy of the theory, and the other practice. The first taught science at the university, about which he had no practical idea; he did not even go outside Kaliningrad / Koenigsberg, which did not bother him at all. I do not agree with you that only professionals can talk about things, just as calmly relate to the discussions of amateurs (we are all to some extent both pros and amateurs at the same time), moreover, on the contrary, I think that sometimes the truth speaks with their mouths "! As one acquaintance professor at Bauman Moscow State Technical University said, human knowledge broadens horizons, but makes you follow the rules, walk on beaten paths and go beyond them, and these red knowledge flags do not. Accordingly, it is difficult to discover such new things, and only people who are not burdened by stereotypes who think beyond these barriers can go further and this is characteristic of geniuses and amateurs. Practice is like a candle burning in the night, illuminating a small space around you, in the area of ​​which you can easily move around, but, not seeing what is in the distance, you risk choosing the wrong direction, come to a standstill or to a cliff, so you can wander for years . And the theory is the light of a powerful flashlight, with narrow beams of light, you can shine into the distance and find out, choose the right direction, while it is commonplace to stumble on past holes and bumps. Ideally, of course, knowledge of both theory and practice is needed.
              Quote: serge-68-68
              And about the fundamental laws

              The theory of relativity explains this, it can explain even the inconstancy of your subjective knowledge.
              It’s easier to be ...
              1. serge-68-68
                serge-68-68 14 August 2013 08: 33 New
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                Clear. You don’t want to talk about applying the theory of relativity to your knowledge. Ces sa, as the French say.
                It should be simpler when you talk "under vodka with a cucumber". And not when you apply for explanatory work among the younger generation.
                You have to be smarter ...
                1. SPACE
                  SPACE 14 August 2013 22: 06 New
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                  Quote: serge-68-68
                  It should be simpler when you talk "under vodka with a cucumber"

                  The biggest stupid thing people do with the smartest look.
                  Quote: serge-68-68
                  And not when you apply for explanatory work among the younger generation.

                  And I thought that you went out to sparkle with your outstanding education. Then let me give you advice from someone who has something to do with teaching some adult uncles and aunts and who I received from very intelligent people. One of the important features of an educated person is the ability to descend from his pedestal to the level of the person to whom he wants to convey something either in a form that will be most understandable and receptive. Here it is necessary to be easier ... And not to shout from above; "Learn and maybe we'll talk." So you neither teach nor prove anything to anyone. What is the use of the best cutter if it is dumb. Indeed, complex knowledge is always preceded by simple ones, it’s like the order of accuracy after the decimal point. You know how they say: "before looking at wrinkles, you must determine what you look at them on your face or on the pope."
                  Quote: serge-68-68
                  You have to be smarter ...

                  Wiser to be!
    4. falcon
      falcon 13 August 2013 10: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: serge-68-68
      The author does not understand anything either in the concept of "freedom" or in the concept of "freedom" as one of the categories of liberalism. He should first understand the first at least at a basic level

      Never judge an opponent strictly; he is not on the exam, but simply shares his
      thoughts. :)) The essence of liberalism is the primacy of "universal" values, and freedom is
      one of them. The author simply considered the issue not with the academic, but with the applied
      points of view.
      Quote: serge-68-68
      but I would still like a more serious level of criticism - otherwise the criticized will be mocked.

      And who will mock? Remember how DAM smartly said
      "Freedom is better than non-freedom!", As a "revelation" from above to the masses.
      PS, Sorry, not in the subject, but I remembered a joke about the "liberals"
      Meeting of liberals before the elections with the "electorate":
      - "In case of victory, we, the liberals, will ensure freedom for every Russian person!"
      -And you can learn more about this?
      -Maybe! Are you Russian?
      -Yes.
      -Free!
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 13 August 2013 11: 13 New
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        I would agree with you about the exam and not strictly, but, in my opinion, it's all good "in the kitchen with vodka." I don’t understand why, for example, it’s impossible to talk amateurishly about Makarov’s pistol on this resource - they’ll be laughed at, but about liberalism — is it possible? Therefore, he took upon himself this thankless job: explaining to novice political scientists that political science, like weapons science, is a serious science that combines theory and practice. And if you can't "blurt out" about PM, then you can't "blurt out" about "-ism".
        And there is someone to scoff - the deputy Milon met with Stephen Fry, for example. What did Fry want - we saw. But why the hell did Milonov meet with Fry? Ponty beat? Is open gay popular in Western media proving that pederasty is bad? Here is the result: Fry’s resonant statement and Milon’s miserable yapping.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 13 August 2013 12: 54 New
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          Quote: serge-68-68
          I would agree with you about the exam and not strictly

          - Please clarify in this case about liberalism more clearly. And then we do not know. For example, I only in general terms - about the primacy (priority) of the individual’s rights over the interests of the supersystem (human society, the collective, including a very large collective, for example, the people, and including the apparatus for exercising the power of the people, called the state apparatus. The amendment at once - the dictator - this is the one who intercepted the apparatus of realization of power from the people, the usurper, in fact). Firstly, such a primate in real life is impossible! - this is UTOPIA! The rights of an individual will never prevail over the interests of the society in which this individual is a member. Society is a metasystem level in relation to an individual, there can be no talk of equality or even more so the primacy of rights!
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 13 August 2013 12: 57 New
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            An element cannot be more important than the system! More precisely, how it will work in real life: in a country that imposes this postulate on the world (dominant country), these postulates will not be respected. But in other countries - these postulates will be implemented selectively. Through a world court such as a court in The Hague. Selectively - if it is not interesting to the dominant country, then the individual will lose all the courts, even if this is a blatant example of the arbitrariness of society over this individual. And vice versa, some Khodorkovsky (surname is a coincidence) can easily win against the non-dominant state, and he will have a greater chance if the interests of Khodorkovsky coincide with the interests of the dominant country.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 13 August 2013 12: 59 New
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              Thus, in reality, liberalism is simply a convenient tool for the dominant country to spread its influence throughout the world, nothing more. If you broadcast to the household level, such liberal postulates degenerate (cannot but degenerate) into such a perverted concept of freedom, which the author noted. And the author is right when he points to this degeneration, and indicates how to deal with it. And in this he is right.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 13 August 2013 13: 02 New
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                Neoliberalism is a further continuation of liberalism, which has already set itself the goal of protecting the minority from the will of the majority. I put a plus to the author. And I ask you to indicate what he and I are wrong.
                1. serge-68-68
                  serge-68-68 13 August 2013 13: 21 New
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                  Alas.
                  Liberalism (without going into details) is the natural human rights (life, freedom, property), the equality of all before the law, a free market and a transparent and minimally interfering state in the affairs of people, and the primacy of the individual’s rights over the system is already anarchism, or, if at all, libertarianism. Yes, and not all of anarchism, but only individual (one of the leaks of anarchism).
                  Neoliberalism is predominantly an economic current that opposes social liberalism.
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 13 August 2013 13: 37 New
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                    Quote: serge-68-68
                    Liberalism (without going into details) is the natural human rights (life, freedom, property), the equality of all before the law, a free market and a transparent and minimally interfering state in the affairs of people, and the primacy of the individual’s rights over the system is already anarchism, or, if at all, libertarianism. Yes, and not all of anarchism, but only individual (one of the leaks of anarchism). Neoliberalism is predominantly an economic movement that opposes social liberalism

                    - a good attempt at brevity, I almost understood, thanks. Apart from the ban on private ownership of the means of production, I did not see the difference between liberalism and communism, in which we lived less than a quarter century ago. laughing EVERYTHING Else matches up to a letter. AND EVERYTHING ELSE is exactly the same when trying to implement in practice are emasculated to the opposite. laughing What is in the USSR, what is now in Western countries laughing Is there a point of contention in general? If this subject of the dispute is so unviable that when implemented in real life you have to change it beyond recognition? I do not like to argue about mental constructs, just as I do not like the FANTASY genre, I like to discuss only what I see specifically, what exists as objective reality, even if it is not very beautiful. Real teeth also do not look more beautiful than artificial porcelain, but they are prettier to me. smile
    5. maxvik
      maxvik 13 August 2013 11: 33 New
      -1
      Very arrogant, but in vain.
      If you know something, explain, correct, there will be a topic for conversation and benefits.
      And then - I know everything, but I won’t tell anyone.))
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 13 August 2013 12: 11 New
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        Perhaps arrogant, perhaps in vain.
        But do you think that in a couple of paragraphs you can even explain the general principles of ideology, the roots of which are found in Democritus and in which liberalism and neoliberalism are almost opposite directions? And isn’t it easier for the author of the article to at least read Wikipedia, than then to explain to him the specifics of the topic he touched and spoil his mood?
        1. maxvik
          maxvik 13 August 2013 13: 14 New
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          I suppose you can. At least, to outline the basic logic without revealing all the terms. Such an approach will probably lead the author to study the issue, and other readers will be interested.
          And on the other hand, the ability to solve complex problems with simple language suggests a deep understanding of the topic.
          But the most important thing in this case will not be a transition to personalities and resentment.
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 13 August 2013 13: 34 New
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            I will try to draw up the text and hang it at home. Hang it for everyone or not - the site administration decides.
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 13 August 2013 13: 17 New
          -2
          Quote: serge-68-68
          But do you think that in a couple of paragraphs you can even explain the general principles of ideology, the roots of which are found in Democritus and in which liberalism and neoliberalism are almost opposite directions? And isn’t it easier for the author of the article to at least read Wikipedia, than then to explain to him the specifics of the topic he touched and spoil his mood?

          - and you briefly. Brevity is the soul of wit. If you are not able to state briefly, only the essence, so that everyone understands how you understand the subject of the dispute, then you are untalented even in terms of expressing your thoughts and there is nothing to talk and argue with you about! The dog is also very smart and understands everything, only people refuse to accept it as their equal (interspecific fascism), do not let them into bed, do not eat with it from the same bowl, and in general, the dog is a friend of a person. Why? Yes, I can not state my claim to the brow! Do not be like human friends and negligent students smile
          1. serge-68-68
            serge-68-68 13 August 2013 13: 33 New
            +1
            :) I have already stated my complaints to the author of the article several times and in every way. They relate to ignorance of the theory of what he discusses in practice. If you could not read and understand them, then ...? We will not continue comparisons between humans and dogs in this context (although it was not I who first started)?
            By the way, you also do not know the specifics of liberalism. What I briefly (as you requested) and indicated under your posts. :) The 4 principles of liberalism of their 1947 Charter are an average document for liberals of all time.
            So don't be like careless students (let's leave a person's friends alone, right?). Read at least the exam cribs for the specialty "political science" - and that is bread ...
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 13 August 2013 13: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: serge-68-68
              By the way, you also do not know the specifics of liberalism
              - - Yes, I read the charter - above the post you set it very briefly. This is how I understood liberalism after reading it a long time ago and observing its implementation in practice. That, as I understand it, you called it one of the directions of anarchism - yes call it what you like, we discuss what is planted in real life and what in real life turns out. It is clear that what actually turns out is not liberalism at all, but since the implementers (sometimes the implementers even call it force) call it liberalism, then let it be called that, I absolutely give a damn laughing The main thing is that I do not like THIS (at least, embodied in reality) and I will condemn it. The fact that in your opinion, because of this, we run the risk of throwing out of the basin a beautiful child called "purely theoretical liberalism" - and God bless this child, even though the dogs (I won't leave alone) will have something for food !!!!
  3. Bigriver
    Bigriver 13 August 2013 06: 28 New
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    "And what about the liberals?
    ... mainly because of their mental development. They are sincere in their ignorant but terribly pretentious screams., they believe they want good ... "


    Great feature.
    He thought about the general features of our liberals. I came to the conclusion that they are united precisely by superficiality in everything, the lack of wide and deep knowledge.
    These are neglected overgrown children.
    I will allow myself a joke :)

    A new teacher comes to class:

    - My name is Oleg Petrovich, I am a liberal. Children, take turns introducing yourself as I do ...
    - My name is Masha, I am a liberal ...
    - My name is Styopa, I am a liberal ...
    - My name is Little Johnny, I am Stalinist.
    - Little Johnny, why are you a Stalinist? !!
    - My mother is Stalinist, my father is Stalinist, my friends are Stalinists, and I, too, are Stalinist.
    - Little Johnny, and if your mom was a prostitute, your dad was a drug addict, your sister was a whore, and your friends were gay, who would you be then ?!
    “Then I would be a liberal.”
    1. My address
      My address 13 August 2013 07: 04 New
      +2
      Joke wonderful!

      And in the subject. Modern liberalism really fell out of professional irresponsibility to society.

      We will repay all respected ladies. If he had been given time on filet portions for bad work when he was a janitor (he was working as a student), he understood the connection of responsibility with freedom in waving a broom and other actions:
      A. Would not go to power (the best option).
      B. Having penetrated into power, I would not have fooled with the squandering of the budget and the returns of territories to neighboring countries.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 August 2013 08: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: My address
        B. Having penetrated into power, I would not have fooled with the squandering of the budget and the returns of territories to neighboring countries.

        Well, the budget and under Putin is not sick to drum, but what about the territories given to JACOB Medvedev? Maybe here we are talking about Putin.
        . - Our correspondent visited the Big Ussuri Island, half of which since 2005 no longer belongs to the Russian
        1. My address
          My address 13 August 2013 09: 28 New
          +2
          I consider myself a realist. Although from the best.
          Yes, at least reset DAM under deafening applause! Then even the GDP will reflect. And will begin to analyze their actions.
          And with a waste of the budget, I wonder why not to issue an order for the main industries to renew the state reserve? And not necessarily in case of war. Immediately push the economy and come in handy for the future, when obsolete to change. You obviously remember this, at the enterprises lay the inviolable supply of metal ingots, rolling, building materials, fasteners, electrical engineering and so on. No, give us only the coliseum for millions of seats! And on engineering, electro-radio, metallurgy, the village does not care.
          All the best.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 13 August 2013 10: 22 New
            +2
            Quote: My address
            Yes, even throw DAM under deafening applause!

            Well, let’s put it off, then what? Kudrina in his place belay
            Quote: My address
            ! Then even the GDP will ponder. And he will begin to analyze his actions.

            What is stopping him now?
            Quote: My address
            . You clearly remember this, at the enterprises there was an untouchable reserve of metal ingots, rolled products, building materials, fasteners, electrical equipment and more.

            I remember that only now there are no gas masks, they carried something. There is nothing to say about the rest.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 13 August 2013 11: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: BigRiver
      He thought about the general features of our liberals. I came to the conclusion that they are united precisely by superficiality in everything, the lack of wide and deep knowledge.
      These are neglected overgrown children.

      And they are ready in their ignorance and delusions to despise the concepts of "spirituality", "national identity", "statehood" and "freedom" and "democracy", as a result ...
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  5. Crocodile
    Crocodile 13 August 2013 06: 50 New
    +2
    You can be free by abandoning everything you don’t want now. And you can become free. That is, to go through years of restrictions, pain, fatigue, exercise and training, being led by someone else's will. By the will of people who know what can come of you. Probably no one will feed their child with sweets instead of porridge! And Western liberals really want to eat as many candies produced by their factory! It's just that everyone forgets the saying "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
    1. Mikhail3
      13 August 2013 09: 21 New
      +2
      You joke like that belay ?! Yes, more than half of young parents do it! And then they put the child at the comp. A cool solution - quiet, clean, go ahead ... Look around you ...
  6. treskoed
    treskoed 13 August 2013 07: 54 New
    0
    And you can become free. That is, to go through years of restrictions, pain, fatigue, exercise and training, being led by someone else's will. By the will of people who know what can come of you.

    Exactly. Military pensioner, free from everything.
    1. 6216390
      6216390 13 August 2013 12: 18 New
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      Quote: treskoed
      Military pensioner, free from everything.

      In addition to the pension.
  7. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 13 August 2013 07: 56 New
    +3
    In vain, some colleagues took such a grudge against the article: practically nothing new was issued, but well-known facts were simply ascertained. The author’s desire to remind us the essence of liberalism and liberals is certainly laudable, but educated people (educated Russian patriots) read all this from F.M.Dostoevsky and others sources. A lot of this phenomenon was written in his works by the untimely departed academician Levashov (Rouen news). Liberalism and liberals are inherently hostile to Russia - such a conclusion suggests itself in their affairs!
  8. Egoza
    Egoza 13 August 2013 08: 09 New
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    "The ability to pose reasonable questions is already an important and necessary sign of intelligence and insight."

    "Those least afraid of death are those whose life has the greatest value." (I. Kant)
    This is precisely what liberals are afraid of! that there will be many who will be able to raise reasonable questions, seek and find reasonable answers, and at the same time, they will be very VALUABLE PEOPLE in their spiritual qualities, which death is not afraid of!
    Well, what about the fact that "the liberals come out with heart-rending screams at an attempt to introduce electives in universities on religious topics? They are afraid ..." We are now showing a good film "Stalin. Live" on TV. And there they did a good combination of IV's actions. Stalin with the Bible. The Bible is simply quoted and its reflections, actions in appropriate situations. So how not to be afraid of liberals? 1. Indeed, "the study of religious thought organizes the human brain." 2. It will not work out of I.V. Stalin is an illiterate atheist. 3. (most importantly) What if someone "read" will follow in the footsteps of this seminarian!
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 13 August 2013 11: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      "Those least afraid of death are those whose life has the greatest value." (I. Kant)
  9. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 13 August 2013 08: 59 New
    +5
    Many do not believe me, or just sarcastically try to make fun of me. However, I can repeat again and again that in Soviet times I was a freer person than now. And I realized that right now, having tried democracy and liberalism. The society of modern Russia is on the path of ever greater prohibitions and restrictions, what kind of freedom are we talking about. It is often said that we can freely express our views and what? Who listens to what we express, what is the result of our expressions? But those who can be listened to by the masses and whom they can follow easily fall into disgrace or even into prison. The example of the Hero of Russia Khabarav is known to many. So the freedom to chat publicly is just a democratic dust in the eyes of the people.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 13 August 2013 18: 13 New
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      Quote: vladsolo56
      And I realized that right now, having tried democracy and liberalism.
      You have not put these 2 concepts in quotation marks, therefore the question arises - where did you find and try to find them?
  10. Max otto
    Max otto 13 August 2013 09: 29 New
    +2
    "And what about the liberals?
    ... mainly because of their mental development. They are sincere in their illiterate but terribly pretentious cries, they believe that they want good ... "

    This statement is not entirely true. Most of them are quite literate and smart people, just whoever pays them a salary dances them. They are at work!
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 13 August 2013 09: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Max Otto
      ... Most of them are quite literate and smart people, just whoever pays them their salary dances them ...

      Literate and clever use the knowledge about their country, its people, its history to argue their conclusions.
      Liberals invent the history of the country, lie about it. And when the people of the country do not meet their expectations, they come to the conclusion that the entire population should be divided into noble dolphins allowed to vote in the elections, and the rest, the majority, are anchovies.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 13 August 2013 18: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: BigRiver
        And when the people of the country do not meet their expectations, they come to the conclusion that the entire population should be divided into noble dolphins allowed to vote in the elections, and the rest, the majority, are anchovies.
        And this is neoliberalism - one of the forms of fascism (aristocracy, elitism, racism, etc. - from the same series).
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 13 August 2013 13: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Max Otto
      They are at work!

      - NOTHING PERSONAL! (this also needs to be added!)
  11. Colonelic
    Colonelic 13 August 2013 10: 01 New
    0
    Quote: BigRiver
    “Little Johnny, and if your mother were a prostitute, your dad was a drug addict, your sister was a whore, and your friends were gay, who would you be then?” “Then I would be a liberal.”
    Great joke ...
  12. Mikhail3
    13 August 2013 10: 23 New
    -1
    People! Those who immediately start to frighten Kant, Hegel, the Marxes-Engels and the rest of their gang are forced to recall - articles are not written for those who understand. They are written for those who do not understand. No need to shake diplomas, it does not help thinking.
  13. Alexey M
    Alexey M 13 August 2013 11: 14 New
    +2
    My freedom ends where the freedom of another begins.
    1. Mikhail3
      13 August 2013 11: 32 New
      0
      A beautiful, but meaningless and extremely harmful expression, practically a psychovirus. Substitute Basayev into this equation.
    2. 6216390
      6216390 13 August 2013 12: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexey M
      My freedom ends where the freedom of another begins.

      Yes, you, my friend, a chaos, if not joking.
  14. wax
    wax 13 August 2013 11: 29 New
    +3
    To all this, a scoundrel-man gets used to it!
    - Crime and Punishment

    Our Russian liberal is, above all, a footman and he only looks at how to clean one's boots
    with an open right to dishonor, it’s easiest to drag a Russian person along with him.
    - Demons
    Is it possible that here they will not give and will not allow the Russian body to develop nationally, with its organic power, but certainly impersonally, impersonally imitating Europe? But what then to do with the Russian organism? Do these gentlemen understand what an organism is? Separation, "detachment" from one’s country leads to hatred, these people hate Russia, so to speak, naturally, physically: for climate, for fields, for forests, for man’s liberation, for Russian history, in a word, for everything, they hate for everything.
    - Writer's diary
    Dostoevsky F.M.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 13 August 2013 13: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Wax
      Diary of a writer Dostoevsky F.M.

      Brilliantly! The classics have already said everything! And here we are careful, trying to understand, comprehend, critically examine ... And once carefully read the classics - and everything falls into place! Nothing has changed.
      Even about the female beauty and the difference in Western and Russian standards of female beauty, this classic (a big lover of women, they say) spoke out gently and subtly - like, whatever you like, but I like the meat of a good Russian woman, I don’t throw on bones -)))) )
  15. chenia
    chenia 13 August 2013 11: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: serge-68-68
    A critical approach to Russian (and Western) "liberalism" is praiseworthy, but I would still like to have a more serious level of criticism - otherwise those criticized will be mocked.


    Well, to begin with, explain the loss of 55-60 million people (countries of the former USSR), and the collapse of the entire economy, science, school, army, etc. thanks to the liberal direction of development.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 13 August 2013 18: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: chenia
      Well, to begin with, explain the loss of 55-60 million people (countries of the former USSR), and the collapse of the entire economy, science, school, army, etc.

      1 Change of socio-political system.
      2 Usurpation of power and appropriation of public property by a narrow group of persons.
      3 Usurpers pursuing exclusively personal interests, and as a result, incorporating republics into the global political and economic system.

      From liberalism there is only the name itself, but declarations, but actions are pure fascism.
  16. dropout
    dropout 13 August 2013 12: 11 New
    +1
    For some strange association, the article resembled a joke.

    Mom when I grow up I will be the same as you? Yes, daughter.
    Then why live ?!
    1. Mikhail3
      13 August 2013 13: 21 New
      +2
      Class! Thank! You have great intuitive thinking. No wonder I tried, nice ...
  17. xczszs
    xczszs 13 August 2013 12: 17 New
    -1
    The other day, I accidentally stumbled upon a site for checking fines in the traffic police, and by the way there you can dispute and pay online. For example, for 2 days I challenged 3 fines for a total of about 17 rubles. try it yourself, here is the link to the service - http://krz.ch/mbaza
  18. washi
    washi 13 August 2013 14: 55 New
    +1
    In freedom, I believe that anarchists should be the best to understand. However, even Bakunin recognizes the need for regulation.
    There is complete freedom, which leads to the degradation of society, and there is free will: the conscious desire of any person to do what he considers necessary to improve the lives of other people.
    6) However, society should not remain completely unarmed in the face of parasitic, malicious and harmful entities. Since work should become the basis of all political rights, a society, nation, province or community can each, within their competence, take these rights away from those adults who, while not being disabled, sick or old, live off public or private charity, with an obligation to restore them to their rights, as soon as they again begin to live their own work. 7) Since the freedom of every human being is inalienable, society will never tolerate anyone legally selling their freedom or otherwise disposing of it under a contract in favor of any other person, other than on the basis of complete equality and reciprocity. However, it will not be able to prevent a man or woman, completely devoid of personal dignity, from becoming a person without a contract in a relationship that is voluntary slavery, but it will consider such people as living at the expense of private charity and therefore will deprive them of the use of political rights for all the time of such slavery.
    (PRINCIPLES AND ORGANIZATION OF THE INTERNATIONAL REVOLUTIONARY SOCIETY
    II. Revolutionary Catechism)
  19. arnulla
    arnulla 13 August 2013 15: 05 New
    +1
    In short, and in my opinion, liberalism in its purest form is a utopia and a way to ride people's ears ...
  20. Mikhail3
    13 August 2013 15: 26 New
    0
    "a society, nation, province or community can each, within its competence, take these rights away from those adults"
    A verdict to all Bakunin's fabrications from top to bottom. Those who have not invented anything at all are the anarchists. Well, you see - in this root defining phrase everything - the state, the army, the police, the secret search ... everything. "All topographers wrote on a large sheet ..." Putting all these structures in the head and hands of each individual makes him either a god, without any jokes, quite seriously, or, if it is not possible to switch to magical operation, he will simply tear the poor man to shreds, because all this alone can not bear ...
  21. V. Tarasyan
    V. Tarasyan 13 August 2013 17: 10 New
    +1
    As a mechanic, I can say that the most degrees of freedom are in worms, especially parasitic ones. The human body does not have very many degrees of freedom (in different tasks it is considered differently, from 6 to hundreds). In my opinion, the conclusion is clear.