The US is ready to destroy Russia?

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Rocket RGM-165 SM-4 for striking ground targets.


“Tomorrow” questions are answered by a military expert.

"TOMORROW". Sergey Evgenievich, it is known that the deployment of the American antimissile defense system in Europe makes it possible to intercept our strategic missiles. US anti-Russian orientation of its missile defense categorically deny. There is a protracted diplomatic push-pull. However, there is a feeling that the situation is much more dramatic than it seems at first glance.

Sergey ANUCHIN. You can say so ... The missile defense system developed by the Americans literally before our eyes has evolved from a defensive to an offensive system, into an effective tool of the first crushing blow. Indeed, until recently in Russia there was no meaningful idea of ​​the level of danger of the American missile defense system. There was only some kind of intuitive alarm ... The United States, developing anti-missile systems, hide, primarily from their European allies, that these weapons are also shock. Thus, the allies are used "in the dark." Pumping psychosis, the United States intimidates Europeans with false threats. In fact, under the guise of an “umbrella”, a shock system is being dragged in, which should be as close as possible to our territory. The weapons used by the Americans in the missile defense system have fundamentally different possibilities than is commonly believed.

"TOMORROW". What does "other opportunities" mean?

Sergey ANUCHIN. Take, for example, the integration of the Patriot PAC-3 MSE missile defense into the F 15C fighter. Mike Trotsky, Vice President of Lockheed for Air Defense and Missile Defense Systems, supervised the work. The launch of the rocket from the F-15C fighter must be carried out from a container mounted on a pylon designed for outboard fuel tanks. At the same time, the container repeats itself as an outboard fuel tank, which allows it to be suspended under any aircraft carrying such tanks. Studies have also been conducted on the feasibility of integrating Patriot missiles into fifth-generation fighters F-22 and JSF. The most massive F-16 fighter was not forgotten. Moreover, it was proposed to equip with such missiles even basic patrol aircraft aviation P 8A "Poseidon". The placement of anti-missiles aboard unmanned combat aircraft, for example, Northrop Grumman X-47B, was ideal. But when placing anti-missiles on such carriers, there can be no talk of any interception of enemy missiles. Simply put, these are missiles for use from the air at specific objects on earth.

"TOMORROW". What are the tasks Americans were going to solve this way?

Sergey ANUCHIN. There is, for example, the task of winning air supremacy. In general, it is mainly solved during the air battles. However, in 1967, Israel managed to destroy a large part of the enemy’s aviation at airfields with sudden air strikes. An example of a seductive. Tempted by the blitzkrieg, the Americans are constantly working on various options for delivering a sudden disarming and unanswered blow.
13 June 2002, the United States withdrew from the Treaty on the limitation of missile defense systems from 26 in May 1972, according to which they could place anti-missiles, as well as all means for aiming and targeting weapons PRO, only in its territory. Now in Europe, the United States has already planned a third missile defense position area with silo launchers with GBI antimissiles in Poland.
Just as our Pioneer medium-range rocket was created on the basis of an intercontinental rocket, so the GBI intercontinental rocket Minitman became the basis of the antimissile. In fact, this is a medium-range missile, which was also tasked with intercepting missiles. Even from the mine launchers, the Americans did not refuse. Located in Poland, this GBI anti-rocket would be able to reach even to Novosibirsk. What did Colonel Vladimir Vasilyev pay attention to in 2008, which is half a century like a missile defense issue, starting with work on a graduation project at the Korolev Design Bureau.
After the visit of 6 – 8 in July 2009 of the US President Obama to Moscow, the Americans, proceeding from the arguments of the Russian side, abandoned the third missile defense position region with the heavy GBI “interceptors”. 17 September 2009, Obama said that now the main focus is on the mobile missile defense system deployed in the Mediterranean, Baltic and Black Seas and on the territory of several European countries. The problem is that as a result of the American "concessions", the shock distances to Moscow were further reduced. The flying time of the SM-3 missiles of the mobile missile defense system is even less than that of the GBI interceptors. From the leading positions at the borders of Russia, American "anti-missiles" can perform strategic tasks incomparably better than intercontinental missiles. Their flying time (5 – 6 minutes) makes the Russian retaliatory counter strike almost impossible, since the decision time for a retaliatory strike is at least 4 minutes. A massive blow to the decision-making centers, command and control points and points of deployment of our missiles will almost guaranteed to disable their critical part. According to Admiral Vladimir Komoyedov, chairman of the defense committee of the State Duma, "a group of American scientists prepared a report that bombing all of Russia is not necessary: ​​there are 12 main goals to be hit - and the state will be defeated." The American mobile missile defense system is a carefully concealed means of inevitable destruction of Russia. The situation is much worse than in 1941 year.

"TOMORROW". How can SM-3 anti-missiles be used to strike ground targets?

Sergey ANUCHIN. Over the past decade, there has been a qualitative breakthrough in rocket and other technologies. Tactical missiles have been transformed into strategic ones, they are capable of hitting targets both in space and on earth. History Standard Missile (SM) family originates from the Tartar anti-aircraft missile. Work on the SM-1 rocket began in the 1963 year. In this case, initially all modifications of the SM-1 could be used for firing at surface targets within the radio horizon of the ship. Also, modifications of the SM-1 were specially developed for use on land or surface objects beyond the horizon. On the basis of the SM-1 anti-aircraft missile, the Standard ARM air-to-radar missile was also created. The next SM-2 rocket could also be used for targets on the surface. However, at that time, preference was given to the “Harpoon” subsonic rocket with a greater range of fire. But in 1998, the United States based on the Standard-2 rocket began developing a LASM rocket for strikes against ground targets with the goal of adopting it by 2004. According to the developers, such a ship-to-earth missile could play a new role in attacks from the sea with a radius of up to 200 nautical miles (370 km), providing flexible point fire support for the US Marine Corps. The missile guidance system is inertial in combination with satellite navigation. In addition to the standard high-explosive fragmentation warhead, the missile is also equipped with a penetrating warhead. Tests have fully confirmed the ability of the LASM rocket to perform assigned combat missions. The US Navy was to receive 1200 LASM missiles. Reach initial operational readiness planned for 2003. But in 2003, the program was allegedly stopped due to lack of funding?! ... And this is in such "fat" years for the Pentagon ... Why would it be ?! LASM tests were successful. Why does the Pentagon not brag about success? And it is only sometimes that information slips out that, as it turns out, for more than a year, SM 2 missiles can destroy targets on the surface of the sea and land at a distance of 500 km. It turns out, the task was completed and over-fulfilled!

"TOMORROW". Amazing modesty!

Sergey ANUCHIN. This is not modesty - this is stealth !!! Ground targets can be struck by a LASM rocket at a range that is 3 – 4 times as far as the interception range of aerial targets with a common SM 2 anti-aircraft missile. 21 February 2008 at 245 km altitude and 450 km removal rocket SM-3 Block IB struck with a direct hit ("hit-to-kill" - "bullet in a bullet"), a failed US military satellite. At the same time, the SM-3 Block IB rocket did not even demonstrate the maximum capabilities - 320 km in altitude at a distance of 780 km. And the SM-3 Block II rocket will have even higher data - it will be able to intercept targets at an altitude of 1000 km at a distance of 1500 km - this is an order of magnitude (10 times) further than it hits SM 2 Block II / III, from which it was made LASM. The technologies developed for the creation of the LASM rocket are also suitable for a different role of the new family of significantly more sophisticated SM 3 rockets. The whole European part of Russia at gunpoint, and even further. The treaty on medium-range and shorter-range missiles has in fact been broken by the United States for a long time!

"TOMORROW". Well, let's say. But how can we hit our secret highly protected targets, even if there are only twelve of them?

Sergey ANUCHIN. With highly accurate destruction of targets, small enough nuclear charges are enough to equip penetrating warheads. The satellite positioning system provides navigation accuracy in 20 – 30 cm horizontally and 50 cm vertically. The penetrating warhead was developed for the SM 2 (LASM) rocket. Recall that in the “Pershing-2” missiles, combat units could penetrate deep into the ground on 50 – 70 m. When a nuclear charge detonates at a depth, a seismic wave will destroy bunkers within a radius of tens of meters. Nowhere not hide. The sheer number of goals - twelve - says that a war can start at any convenient time when a situation arises in which you can guaranteedly remove the first persons from the game in order not to get a retaliatory strike with unacceptable damage for the United States.

"TOMORROW". What else does the world not know about the US strategy in Europe?

Sergey ANUCHIN. The missile defense deployment option in Romania and Poland is the most dangerous for Russia. Cruiser or destroyer missile defense is not easy to quietly closer to the borders of Russia. But the "anti-missiles" in the standard blocks of universal vertical launchers Mk 41 from the territory of these countries will be constantly aimed at us. Moreover, launchers can be mounted, for example, in a standard 40-foot sea container. And such "containers" can be anywhere, for example, in the Baltic States. The container can not be controlled. Ships carry a myriad of them. Any freight train can carry rockets. Shipping containers are transported by cars. Such "containers" can be placed in any transport terminal or simply in stock. Options do not count.
According to political analyst Sergei Markov, according to a secret dispatch of the State Department on the new US military strategy promulgated by WikiLeaks, in the near future only from Germany about 15 thousands of US troops will be redeployed to the territory of Poland and the Baltic States. In total, nine divisions from the USA, Great Britain and Germany will be launched to Poland and the Baltic countries. And in response to the "aggressive actions of Russia", the United States is ready to start building up a naval group in the Baltic Sea. There are already plans to relocate the F 16 fighter jets to the air base in the town of Lask in Poland from the Aviano air base in Italy, which had the main burden of air strikes on the former Yugoslavia. Seven NATO airfields equipped in accordance with NATO standards in Poland are capable of increasing the size of the air force. The Zokniai and Lielvarde airbases were upgraded in Lithuania and Latvia. In February, 2012 of the year in NATO stated that they were ready to conduct military operations from the Emari airbase in Estonia. To ensure the actions of the NATO grouping, another appropriate infrastructure is being created. At the initiative of the Pentagon, NATO Cyber ​​Defense Center was established in Tallinn in 2011. The Energy Security Center in Vilnius was established in 2012. In the plans of 2013, the NATO Center for Strategic Communications in Latvia. In Lithuania, an interdepartmental committee has been established in the interests of the reception and deployment of NATO troops in the country. The exercises are held with the buildup of NATO force groups in Poland, Lithuania and Latvia. All this is in the provision of offensive operations following a sudden first strike.

"TOMORROW". And what, no one sees and does not understand?

Sergey ANUCHIN. Americans act alone - no one, except specifically insiders in the US, knows all the capabilities of missile defense. In no case should the allies know the truth. Perhaps this information Americans hide even from the first persons of Great Britain. Pumping psychosis about the "Russian threat" and, above all, among the eastern members of NATO, the United States uses the allies "in the dark." All before my eyes - "Russian bear". American missile defense - behind the scenes. Moreover, no one thinks about other possibilities of missile defense. The aggressor always carefully conceals the true intentions - without this it is impossible to inflict a sudden crushing first and unanswered blow.

"TOMORROW". What is the possible strategy to protect our territory and our statehood?

Sergey ANUCHIN. 19 June 2013, Putin said that "the first so-called disarming, decapitating strike is possible, and even against nuclear powers." Information he still has. The president set the task: "We cannot allow the balance of the strategic deterrence system to be upset, the effectiveness of our nuclear forces to be reduced." Before that, 17 – 18 of June, was the G8 summit, at which Russia was to be rubbed so that only G7 was left. About this vyaknul to the whole world Canadian. And suddenly silence. Perhaps, our president used in his conversation with Obama lethal information on missile defense? ... But in such a question, you cannot act behind the scenes in the President – ​​President mode and exchange something for something. President Putin is simply obliged to bring information on the so-called American missile defense system to the whole world with extreme clarity. Neither Poland, nor Romania, nor the Baltic countries are likely to want to be the first to burn in a nuclear fire for the sake of the United States. This is the first.
And the second. In the “reform” times in Russia, only two of the four arithmetic actions became “division” and “subtraction”. So we’ve come to the "12 main goals" and the war at any moment! Only once you have mastered the "addition" and "multiplication", you can multiply the number of main goals - only this will save the US from the temptation of unpunished aggression. You can forget about missile defense and you don’t have to agree on anything in your head with anyone. In matters of war and peace, there are no treaty aggressors.

The conversation was led by Andrey FEFELOV


Note Sergey E. Anuchin - aircraft designer.
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  1. +49
    12 August 2013 07: 56
    For a start, Happy Holiday!
    1. +19
      12 August 2013 08: 16
      Quote: Corsair
      For a start, Happy Holiday!

      Yeah, Serge VAF will come, it will be necessary to congratulate.
      The title of the article is interesting, only the question from the region was smooth on paper ... and the US is ready to be destroyed belay
      1. +10
        12 August 2013 09: 07
        Quote: Corsair
        For a start, Happy Holiday!

        Join drinks
        The article ... let's say this - interestingly, there is an attempt to intimidate, but in vain.
        What do people talk about in the article? About guesses.
        All the cards are in the hands of the heads of state and they are unlikely to tell us about them, the hope for GDP is huge, it is adequately functioning, they are afraid of it, it is cunning, it has emergency moves and options. Therefore, there is nothing to say under the article, because the roots are not visible.
        1. +10
          12 August 2013 10: 39
          He is the Supreme Commander. In its place. We hope for him. In foreign policy showed confidence and will. It can support the army, contributes to its revival.
        2. +9
          12 August 2013 10: 51
          I think that in our area of ​​the Arctic Circle, missile mines are both being developed and are being developed, therefore, the US mobile and stationary missile defense systems in Europe will help them a little ...... when the strike goes through the Arctic, especially since they are constantly under ice on alert duty our submarines. Rather, they will twist our hands through the WTO than through the threat of a missile strike
          1. +3
            12 August 2013 19: 22
            I can't forget the "meat and sausage" setting. This was a real headache for the Americans. Yes, the drunk gave an advantage for a glass. It was ingeniously simple, reliable and elusive. It is a pity that it is already impossible to return to the "chugunka"
            1. +5
              12 August 2013 21: 53
              Quote: Very old
              It is a pity that it is already impossible to return to the "chugunka"

              Research is underway on BZHRK again, it is possible that they will return to the "chugunka"
              1. 77bor1973
                +2
                12 August 2013 22: 43
                There, only a suitable rocket needs to be developed and PPD restored.
              2. +3
                12 August 2013 23: 37
                Let's hope. The wheel re-wheel did not bother me- SONG!
          2. +4
            12 August 2013 19: 44
            There is also a system of retaliation "PERIMETER" This is a guaranteed blow to the United States. Nobody knows whether the system is working or not, this brings additional intrigue.
          3. +1
            12 August 2013 20: 12
            Quote: strannik595
            I think that in our area of ​​the Arctic Circle, missile mines are both being developed and are being developed, therefore, the US mobile and stationary missile defense systems in Europe will help them a little ...... when the strike goes through the Arctic, especially since they are constantly under ice on alert duty our submarines. Rather, they will twist our hands through the WTO than through the threat of a missile strike

            There are not mines there is even more fun shovel.

            Military aviators with a holiday!
      2. +5
        12 August 2013 10: 46
        It surprises me more that no one thinks that if a vigorous bomb explodes in the atmosphere, everyone will be raked. Absolutely. those. with their missile defense the Yankees sign a verdict to the whole world.

        P.S. If someone does not understand - try to drop a drop of paint in a glass of water and see how it will blur.
        1. +5
          12 August 2013 14: 23
          Quote: ShadowCat
          if a vigorous bomb explodes in the atmosphere, they will rake everything.

          They will rake everything, this is not an undeniable fact, only the raids will be different in their effects. Therefore, they do not franticly wave a nuclear club, but consider how much they can use nuclear weapons charges in a minimum and achieve the rest with conventional weapons.
      3. +10
        12 August 2013 10: 48
        who goes for wool runs the risk of returning shorn

      4. eplewke
        +2
        12 August 2013 14: 44
        no backlash does not exist! Any preventative strike is doomed to failure. A dozen missiles will break through and retaliation will be unacceptable for the United States ... That way, 100 million dead. I don’t think they are ready to sacrifice this. Although I know their government, here you might think ...
        1. Basil123
          +4
          12 August 2013 19: 36
          no unrequited blow does not exist. Yes, the answer of course will be, but what? in the west layered about the pole ........ and why the heck in Alaska harp. And if you haven’t noticed, we are now trying to be very good and honest, and we are constantly trying to provoke the question. Are they looking for a reason? And the process is accelerating at the same time we begin to pump up the army. It seems that they are carefully confusing us to drag us into Syria now why? And China will not intervene for us in such a conflict, they will try to sit out well and bargain for themselves a bit, by the way, China is also arming sooooo fast. on a horse then they may not have such a chance! hi
          1. Basil123
            0
            12 August 2013 22: 24
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k4Z541YW3w про обамку прикольно
    2. +6
      12 August 2013 10: 33
      And continue: Happy Holiday! AVIATORS, we respect YOU. We hope for YOU!
    3. ilia_narodn
      0
      9 February 2015 14: 34
      In the event of an attack on us, we will hit the United States at one point. Just one - to Yellowstone volcano. Our missiles are already aimed. And ... "goodbye America oh-oh, where I will never be, goodbye forever" ...
      Therefore, we can say with absolute certainty that there will be no direct attack on us, neither conventional nor nuclear. It is foolish to start the "big game" knowing that you will inevitably lose.
  2. Valery Neonov
    +10
    12 August 2013 07: 58
    hi Dear ... you can talk for a long time about the beginning, but someone asked himself about the "END OF THE PROJECT". And the gamerope will "fall" first ... hi
    1. +1
      12 August 2013 10: 42
      Sometimes perplexity slips: they know both in Poland and Romania - the shortest distance, the shortest flight time to THEIR countries
      1. eplewke
        +1
        12 August 2013 14: 46
        The regiment of iskanders in Kalingrad solves the problem tightly ...
  3. +30
    12 August 2013 08: 14
    The US Cala hatched plans for the first disarming strike for a long time and each time these attempts failed, since there are no invulnerable systems. So jackals are rushing about, because there is no certainty that everything will go smoothly and that they themselves won’t get a hat. Moreover, Russia has long been aware of their plans, and is aware, therefore armed.
    1. +6
      12 August 2013 10: 36
      Quote: alexneg
      The US Cala hatched plans for the first disarming strike for a long time and each time these attempts failed, since there are no invulnerable systems. Here jackals rush about

      The solution to this problem fits into two "OR .. OR".
      OR we will be the first to strike a preventive strike ... which is hardly acceptable ... first of all for Russia ... unless only in case of emergency.
      OR will put Europe on "EARS" ... as they did in their time with the PERSHING ... or more recently in CZECH REPUBLIC. Public opinion, no matter how skeptical it may be, is an instrument of public pressure on those who hold it in power ... especially in Western democracy ... It is on this "hobbyhorse" that we must fight the millitarian plans of the Amer! And do not spare funds for our agents of influence ... to give the same POLAND or ROMANIA proposals of an economic nature of such a level that cannot be refused ... and there are many other tools to attract the sympathy of the simple electorate to the idea of ​​not allowing the deployment of missile defense on their territory .... you just need to think carefully, taking into account the local specifics ... the mentality of local residents.
      But the third OR - this is a purely internal matter - to improve defense despite the objections from the liberals, led by KUDRIN!
    2. Airman
      +9
      12 August 2013 11: 15
      Quote: alexneg
      The US Cala hatched plans for the first disarming strike for a long time and each time these attempts failed, since there are no invulnerable systems. So jackals are rushing about, because there is no certainty that everything will go smoothly and that they themselves won’t get a hat. Moreover, Russia has long been aware of their plans, and is aware, therefore armed.

      Want peace, get ready for war. And why don't we put the same missile defense system in the form of Iskanders with new missiles in Cuba? Flight time will be minimized.
      1. +2
        12 August 2013 11: 57
        Quote: Povshnik
        And why don't we put the same missile defense system in the form of Iskanders with new missiles in Cuba?

        So already tried something similar. The Caribbean crisis, a world on the brink of nuclear war and all that ... The idea is not new. It would be nice, but the amers will not allow this. It would have been possible, would have long been located in Cuba and Venezuela and Nicaragua ...
        1. +5
          12 August 2013 14: 37
          Duc, probably already in the form of sea containers. And on the way, the bottom blue-eyed. So ... not all cats are Pancake week.
        2. Airman
          +1
          12 August 2013 20: 20
          Quote: matRoss
          [
          So already tried something similar. The Caribbean crisis, a world on the brink of nuclear war and all that ... The idea is not new. It would be nice, but the amers will not allow this. It would have been possible, would have long been located in Cuba and Venezuela and Nicaragua ...

          these were our first missiles, and, in my opinion, they were not particularly hidden, since they were not even covered with camouflage nets. And the Iskander can also be packed in a sea container.
  4. +26
    12 August 2013 08: 15
    Neither Poland, nor Romania, nor the Baltic countries are likely to want to burn first in a nuclear fire for the sake of the United States.

    Yes, they know it perfectly. That's just the greed and hatred of these American puppets for Russia outweighs everything and nullifies all human common sense.
    1. +6
      12 August 2013 12: 46
      Well, the countries of Europe are corrupt women who have the money and have it ... that’s all explained and said.
    2. +1
      12 August 2013 13: 43
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      Neither Poland, nor Romania, nor the Baltic countries are likely to want to burn first in a nuclear fire for the sake of the United States.

      Yes, they know it perfectly. That's just the greed and hatred of these American puppets for Russia outweighs everything and nullifies all human common sense.


      I do not think that we can speak in the plural. In power in these countries are American puppets, people without their own opinions and voices. They are clearly written to the brain that everything will be fine for the Inkh, and they, in turn, are pursuing an internal policy so that the population does not excite. Correctly the person said - allies are used in the dark.
  5. PPL
    +5
    12 August 2013 08: 19
    Note Sergey E. Anuchin - aircraft designer.

    Thank you for making a note ... lol
    Looks like some aviators already before the holiday began to demolish the roof.
    The Americans act alone - no one except specifically insiders in the United States knows all the capabilities of missile defense. Allies should never know the truth.

    It is amazing, but how then do the likely opponents in the person of the "well-known" (?) Military expert Anuchin know about this in detail?
    1. +3
      12 August 2013 10: 35
      That's just what the leaderships of Great Britain, France, Germany, Turkey do not know, what does our "expert" know?))
    2. +5
      12 August 2013 12: 16
      From there. We have such a place ... We instructed the person to highlight the information so that it became clear - it’s no secret, guys. If something like this is declared by a person in heavy uniform or from the administration, you will have to unwind the flywheels of international reaction, officially write large documents, and so ...
      In general, one or two units of autonomous-based offshore missile systems should be shown, not at the factory, but right on duty. Demonstratively raise them, for example, for prevention. To see. I think it will help a lot ... Well, shake off the dust from the plans (and the corresponding maps) for laying the landmines along the coast of a famous power. Check codes, run tests ... raise the project, in general. We, of course, didn’t lay anything like that! No no no! But ... since there is such progress ...
  6. +6
    12 August 2013 08: 21
    As a matter of urgency, the Armed Forces and the country must be strengthened! Now, like Stalin, we have no more than 10 years.
    1. +17
      12 August 2013 08: 46
      Quote: Gray-haired Siberian
      Now, like Stalin, we have no more than 10 years.

      And Stalin didn’t have 10 years before the Second World War, and now looking at how the world goes crazy, we don’t have exactly 10 years.
      1. +10
        12 August 2013 09: 07
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And Stalin didn’t have 10 years before the Second World War, and now looking at how the world goes crazy, we don’t have exactly 10 years.

        And THIS is alarming, the pace of development in our country is still (?) Not "Stalinist"
        1. +5
          12 August 2013 17: 11
          10 years we don’t have exactly ...
          Corruption in the country has spread from the top to the very bottom. Fighting corruption - it means for the authorities, to begin to imprison themselves for misconduct. Which is essentially impossible, therefore, the fight against corruption is only declared and imitated.
          You can’t do anything by persuasion, as well as laws like ay-ay-ay for economic crimes. A thief robbing his people, his country, regardless of ranks, ranks and merit, must be in prison!

          BUT THIS RUSSIA DOES NOT CONCERN. DO WE HAVE NO SAME? YEAR!!!

          The defense of the country was strengthened in a peculiar way by serf-servant Serdyukov. Serdyukov and his faithful companion, General Makarov, expelled almost 30% of the officer corps from the army. In the army, completely illegal mass repressions were carried out ... the defense ministry plundered completely, and the investigation has no complaints against Serdyukov.
          1. +5
            12 August 2013 18: 29
            A thief robbing his people, his country, regardless of ranks, ranks and merit, must be in prison!

            I would correct a little: "A civil servant who steals from his people, his country, regardless of ranks, titles and merits, should be accused of treason to the Motherland, with all the following conclusions and punishments!
      2. Nitup
        +4
        12 August 2013 13: 05
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        the world is going crazy

        The world is not going crazy, it is being carefully pushed out of it.
      3. +5
        12 August 2013 13: 54
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And Stalin didn’t have 10 years before the Second World War, and now looking at how the world goes crazy, we don’t have exactly 10 years.

        Unfortunately, we do not have Stalin ...
  7. vladsolo56
    +14
    12 August 2013 08: 22
    It is unclear why the missile defense system in Europe. it’s nonsense to suggest a blow to the United States through Europe. Assuming a nuclear conflict, a blow to the United States from Russia is much more profitable to strike from the Far East and Siberia through the Pacific Ocean. Or directly from under the water of the submarine. Because the European missile defense is a bluff. Rather, a political game.
    1. +17
      12 August 2013 08: 48
      Quote: vladsolo56
      . Because the European missile defense is a bluff.

      With a direct warrior between Russia and the USA, some European countries will think 100 times about whether to fight with Russia. And when our missile defense is hit in Europe, Europe will have no choice. Kazlov is dragged to slaughter and that’s it.
      1. +3
        12 August 2013 14: 08
        DO NOT THINK ... In the EU, at all posts, US henchmen such as Saakashvili and Sarkozy, having studied in the United States and then recruited. They will put the EU under attack easily, themselves having dumped a small handful of p.i.ndosia. Or maybe they themselves will be framed - pawns.
    2. +8
      12 August 2013 08: 51
      Far East and Siberia across the Pacific
      The shortest is from the north through the north pole. Their own air defense is full of holes.
    3. +5
      12 August 2013 09: 35
      Quote: vladsolo56
      It is not clear why the missile defense system in Europe

      About two years ago, Foreign Affairs magazine published an article "The Inevitability of Overwhelming US Nuclear Superiority." According to this article, the United States, using holes in the Russian nuclear attack warning system, can deliver a disarming strike, and the European missile defense system and the US national missile defense system can intercept 10% of the surviving missiles when they retaliate against the continental United States. ”According to the logic of this article, there is no European missile defense system needs to be protected from nuclear attack, and if it can be used to protect against Iran's dubious nuclear threat, then this is just a free bonus to a rather expensive toy designed for something completely different. For what specifically, I think you do not need to explain.
    4. +3
      12 August 2013 12: 23
      No one wants to die duck. There is an option - to play the game in Europe, since they are all ready-made proformatsets. Well, it’s up to the results to decide whether to attack the enemy for destruction or to agree. The transformation of all this abscess of mankind into radioactive slag does not sadden either the Americans or us. A convenient reason to compare - who has more and thicker. And these ... subjects of world politics, yeah ... snatch ...
    5. Nitup
      +6
      12 August 2013 13: 41
      Quote: vladsolo56
      It is unclear why the missile defense system in Europe. it’s nonsense to suggest a blow to the United States through Europe. Assuming a nuclear conflict, a blow to the United States from Russia is much more profitable to strike from the Far East and Siberia through the Pacific Ocean. Or directly from under the water of the submarine. Because the European missile defense is a bluff. Rather, a political game.

      That is the shortest path for striking the United States - through the North Pole.
      The fact of the matter is that deploying a missile defense system in Europe is not logical. And when some things seem illogical to us, we need to ask ourselves: do we understand the goals of such actions. Maybe there is not a missile defense, but, most likely, not only a missile defense, most likely, this is a continuation of the story with the deployment of Pershing in Europe. Just now the missiles are more advanced and the location is closer to our borders. And about it, it’s necessary because our missiles, if necessary, can fly not only through the North Pole. That is what surrounds us and China from all sides.
      But something tells me that our recent test of supposedly ICBMs, not ICBMs at all, but BRBMs, and it is necessary just for the destruction of missile defense facilities and NATO military infrastructure on the continent.
      MZKT-79291 chassis for a new missile system
  8. +6
    12 August 2013 08: 22
    No matter how much they build their pro, a point will always play with them. Everyone understands a part will bring down a part will fly, and nobody wants to be the second cherosim
    1. +12
      12 August 2013 08: 49
      Quote: darksoul
      Everyone understands a part will bring down a part will fly, and nobody wants to be the second cherosim

      Ordinary people understand this, and those who give orders are sitting in powerful bunkers and they do not care what the people of the United States want.
      1. +3
        12 August 2013 10: 08
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        and those who give orders sit in powerful bunkers

        Yes, they don’t need to sit in the bunker .. at this time they will either be in Switzerland or somewhere else in the "island" they created that is not a participant in the conflict ..
        1. Airman
          +6
          12 August 2013 11: 20
          Quote: Scoun
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          and those who give orders sit in powerful bunkers

          Yes, they don’t need to sit in the bunker .. at this time they will either be in Switzerland or somewhere else in the "island" they created that is not a participant in the conflict ..

          Switzerland at the same time will fall under the "distribution", neutrality will not help here.
          1. +2
            12 August 2013 14: 14
            with full exchanges of nuclear weapons in the world there will not be a single place where you can live on the surface so that all this blah blah blah at the expense of unrequited preventive strikes - 5-6 warheads that exploded anywhere in the world will be enough so that in a year two will land on the earth only rats with cockroaches
            1. Nitup
              +1
              12 August 2013 15: 05
              Quote: zadorin1974
              5-6 warheads rushing anywhere in the world will be enough so that in a year two on the ground only rats with cockroaches will dominate

              You say so, as if there were never nuclear tests in the world, and nothing, we live
  9. 0
    12 August 2013 08: 22
    An article from the category of Sheuv! The mustache is gone! The client leaves, the plaster is removed! In other words, give more money!

    PS: To give money, to punish the spread of alarmist moods.
    1. +9
      12 August 2013 08: 50
      Quote: shinobi
      punish for the spread of alarmist sentiments.

      In June, 41 were already punished. Or we again stomp to Moscow.
      1. +3
        12 August 2013 14: 25
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Or we again stomp to Moscow.

        And now we will not have time to retreat to Moscow, in the "places" we will heroically grunt from "limited nuclear strikes." If we miss the moment, when they start to shoot at us.
        1. +3
          12 August 2013 18: 48
          Most likely, you will have to "quack heroically" from high-precision weapons. Europeans are unlikely to allow spoiling nature. In Libya, they did without nuclear weapons, and the technology stuffed a lot.
    2. +12
      12 August 2013 09: 23
      "Give money, punish for spreading alarmist sentiments."

      ... Build BZHRK, modernize "Perimeter", "Iskander" to put forward in position. You can't take Russians "weakly", but we are with us, if anything, we will not only take Ssyllia and Geyropa to the next world.
      1. +2
        12 August 2013 17: 45
        The point is not alarmism, as I understand it. Forecasts are an ungrateful thing, especially in Russia after the Serdyukov reforms. Let us hope that the new military leadership is soberly approaching the assessment of the military-political situation in the world, the situation around Russia ... There is hope that the country's political leadership is looking in the right direction. And the main hope for our soldier, an officer faithfully serving the motherland. EVEN THE ENEMY UNDERSTANDS THIS.
  10. +9
    12 August 2013 08: 27
    The situation is really like at the beginning of the 41st .. The Anglo-Saxons will not calm down. But they won’t start first. Someone will incite us first .. and that’s a well-known scenario ..
  11. +7
    12 August 2013 08: 34
    In any case, warned - means armed! Or do not need to evaluate the probable opponent.
  12. +7
    12 August 2013 08: 34
    It seems to me that how to do without a ground operation in a war with a state such as Russia. At one gas station you will not pass and you will not fly over the whole territory. Of course, missiles are a good weapon when there are no enemy missiles, and the enemy has missiles and is no worse than the Amer’s, and although the article contains some praise of the enemy’s weapons, Russia has something to answer. Placement of missiles not only on the chassis, but also under water and above water, as well as in the air.
    1. xmel2003
      +5
      12 August 2013 09: 06
      And there will be no ground operation ... and there will be no missiles, radars, and decision-making centers. And even better if several Russian missiles reach their target - it will be easier to explain to the Western public why a preemptive nuclear strike was needed. And in a year or two, the remaining population will be happy to accept foreign aid ... and, of course, there will be UN peacekeepers in front.
    2. +14
      12 August 2013 09: 11
      Why send troops? It is enough to weaken the country, make it dependent on foreign imports, put its leadership at the head of the country and adjust the punitive system within the country in such a way as to neutralize any resistance.
      The system has been tested in many countries around the world. You can live on dividends.
      1. 0
        12 August 2013 09: 49
        And they themselves after a retaliatory strike will not go around the world?
        1. +5
          12 August 2013 14: 15
          There is an important plus that you have come across with your thoughts ...
          if there is an exchange of US-Russia attacks, the US will suffer damage and then China will become a leader, which is not in the interests of the United States. Those. the presence of three forces holds back the war between the other two. And we and China have some cooperation and not the fact, what other arrangements are on the sidelines. China will understand that if it does not support Russia, then it will be China's turn ... I believe that the Chinese factor is also significant.
          1. 0
            12 August 2013 15: 40
            It seems to me that in the event of a nuclear war, strikes will be inflicted on all slightly more technically developed countries, or rather, on objects in these countries! hi
      2. +3
        12 August 2013 10: 34
        Quote: piston
        Why send troops? It is enough to weaken the country, make it dependent on foreign imports, put its leadership at the head of the country and adjust the punitive system within the country in such a way as to neutralize any resistance.
        The system has been tested in many countries around the world. You can live on dividends.

        Already been ... what
  13. xmel2003
    +8
    12 August 2013 08: 41
    This is the first publication on this subject that I meet.
    Already after the SM-2 tests, it was clear that these missiles violated the agreement on intermediate and shorter-range missiles, that they were capable of striking the ground, that they were capable of carrying nuclear blocks, that the improvement of missiles would allow to keep the entire European part of Russia from Barintsev’s waters at gunpoint , Baltic and Black Seas with a minimum flying time, which is already deployed so many missiles that can not intercept the existing air defense system (stupidly missed air defense missiles).
    Why just now talking about it?
    Or in the leadership of the country, stupid people or people are doing something else.
    1. +9
      12 August 2013 08: 53
      Quote: xmel2003
      Or in the leadership of the country, stupid people or people are doing something else.

      Yes, everyone understands there, but it’s not so simple to restore what was destroyed by Gorbaty, Yeltsin. Plus Serdyukov made his contribution, not to understand what Putin thought appointing him to the post of Defense Ministry.
      1. Nitup
        +3
        12 August 2013 14: 02
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Plus Serdyukov made his contribution, not to understand what Putin thought appointing him to the post of MO

        I think Putin was wrong and that’s it. Just as Stalin was mistaken, appointing Yezhov to the post of head of the NKVD. After Putin left the presidency, Serdyukov decided that it would go to the edge forever. My version is this
    2. Windbreak
      +2
      12 August 2013 10: 26
      How shipborne missiles violate the agreement on missiles of medium and shorter range ground based?
    3. +8
      12 August 2013 10: 47
      Quote: xmel2003
      Already after the SM-2 tests, it was clear that these missiles violated the agreement on intermediate and shorter-range missiles

      Confused nothing?
      Excerpt from the contract:
      In accordance with the agreement, the parties had to destroy all launchers within three years ground-based installations and missiles with a range of 500 to 5500 kilometers, including missiles in both European and Asian territories of the USSR. This was the first ever agreement on a real reduction of existing weapons. The treaty also provided for inspection procedures for inspectors who were required to monitor the destruction of missiles on the opposite side.

      If you believe what they say about SM-2, then this:
      SM-2 (eng. Standard missile SM-2) - American family anti-aircraft missiles (SAM).
      These missiles are in service with the US Navy's Aegis anti-aircraft missile system.

      (I didn’t lie)

      Again, according to the United States, their missiles are monstrously effective, but as practice shows ... Well, you understand, yes, that it’s hard to believe in the characteristics of US weapons they lie godlessly and Constantly about their characteristics.

      Why am I:
      Firstly, you mixed both cutlets and flies and dog-with-booths in one plate with words about the violation of the contract.
      Secondly, there is no reason to panic - there is a reason for a balanced answer from our side. And this answer is in the form of Yars as well. and in the form of developing a new ICBM.
      And it is precisely according to Yars that there is a violation of the mentioned treaty. But the earpick is drawn to this topic. If the range of the rocket (declared 11000)

      About ships in the seas ... Well, for the umpteenth time!
      Now with one cruise missile strike from the face of the earth all over Russia, now there is a monstrous amount of missile defense ships.

      People! To concentrate such a number of ships capable of intercepting all ICBMs and others like them, you need a very large fleet ..
      And how to hide it? This is not a bag of nuts!
      And bearing in mind the escalation of the forces of a potential "partner" in the waters of the surrounding seas, it is possible to concentrate our navies in some interesting places, such as the coastal waters of a "friendly" state.
      1. xmel2003
        0
        29 August 2013 23: 37
        Balabol. Learn the materiel. In particular, the performance characteristics of missiles.
  14. optimist
    +10
    12 August 2013 08: 54
    Article plus. But there is a strong impression of déjà vu: in the 80s, the USSR was "divorced" with "Star Wars" in the same way. How did it end, I hope everyone remembers ... What the hell do the amerikos have to fight with us, when everything turns out according to their wishes? (I mean: Russia completely plays by their rules in the economy, and even our "guarantor" himself publicly admitted that in the 90s the government was full of CIA agents. For some reason, he did not specify where they went and who was responsible for it. laughing ). The war is an unpredictable thing: and how the 2nd world amers ended is still remembered. So, quite possibly all this noise is for fear. Even if we assume that our "partners" manage to strike and remain unharmed, our country will still need to be occupied. And this is, in principle, impossible, given our territory and population. So everything will continue, like the last 22 years: the sale of our resources for candy wrappers and the further degradation of industry, population, infrastructure, etc.
    1. Nitup
      +3
      12 August 2013 14: 12
      Quote: optimist
      So everything will continue, like the last 22 years: the sale of our resources for candy wrappers and the further degradation of industry, population, infrastructure, etc.

      Well, yes, probably so that everything continues like this, we began to strengthen the army, create fifth-generation aircraft, build submarines, etc. The Americans understand that we are doing this for a reason. And in order to get out of the system, when "the sale of our resources for candy wrappers and further degradation of industry, population, infrastructure, etc." occurs, you must first, at least, restore the power of the army ditched by Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
      1. optimist
        +1
        12 August 2013 15: 18
        Quote: Nitup
        Well, yes, probably so that things go on like this and we begin to strengthen the army, create fifth-generation aircraft, build submarines, etc. Americans understand that we are doing this for a reason.

        Not everything is so simple, Dear ... You probably noticed that this "strengthening" began to take place after the whole world went around the frames with the fate of Hussein and Gaddafi. It seems that it was under their impression that GDP and K "remembered" about defense. So, it seems that the top officials are worried not about the people, but about themselves, loved ones ... As a career officer, I can assure you that the scale of the "modernization" of the army is greatly exaggerated And what you are shown on the zombie box is not entirely true.
        1. Nitup
          +1
          12 August 2013 15: 34
          Quote: optimist
          Not everything is so simple, Dear ... You probably noticed that this "strengthening" began to take place after the whole world went around the frames with the fate of Hussein and Gaddafi. It seems that it was under their impression that GDP and K "remembered" about defense. So, it seems that the top officials are worried not about the people, but about themselves, loved ones ... As a career officer, I can assure you that the scale of the "modernization" of the army is greatly exaggerated And what you are shown on the zombie box is not entirely true.

          I do not agree with you, because GPV-2020 was adopted before they overthrew and killed Gaddafi. So, wait and see.
          1. optimist
            +1
            12 August 2013 16: 11
            Quote: Nitup
            I do not agree with you, because GPV-2020 was adopted before they overthrew and killed Gaddafi. So, wait and see.

            You are probably one of those who still believe about "housing for every Soviet family by the year 2000"?
            Personally, I very much doubt that in the current situation, Russia by 2020 will generally remain within its current borders ...
            1. Nitup
              +2
              12 August 2013 17: 25
              No, I'm not one of those. And I doubt it, so the alignment must be changed. This is a matter of survival.
  15. Niecke
    +12
    12 August 2013 08: 54
    as I understand from the article-amers deploy a missile defense system to protect Russia from Europe and Asia !!! all our borders are reliably covered by a missile shield !! and therefore we don’t need deterrence forces! and the army in general is also unnecessary, because ours There are so many good friends in the country who have repeatedly confirmed their good intentions! China (Daman) Japan (Khalkhin Goal) Germany (1914,1941) Italy (...) Romania, Poland, Hungary, Austria, France - in short, solid FRIENDS !!!
  16. Arabist
    +3
    12 August 2013 08: 54
    Such "experts" should not be allowed close to the military. Too emotional and something I have very big doubts that the air defense system can be used on the ground, and almost all missile defense tests do not cause any particular concern. Shot down a satellite? So he moved along a previously known trajectory and never deviated from it. But to intercept the same "Yars" will be more difficult.
    1. +5
      12 August 2013 10: 52
      Some air defense systems on land can operate in the RK regime - S-300, for example.
      1. Nitup
        +2
        12 August 2013 14: 27
        Quote: SoboL
        Some air defense systems on land can operate in the RK regime - S-300, for example.

        And the shells can also work on ground targets.
  17. +11
    12 August 2013 09: 01
    but what about the "Perimeter" system? It seems that it was said that even in the event of the destruction of command posts and top officials capable of "pressing the button", a retaliatory strike is guaranteed?
  18. +11
    12 August 2013 09: 06
    And will a nuclear war have any benefits? What will the winner get? A radioactive desert? But nobody needs radioactive land except rats and cockroaches, you can't build a mansion for a girlfriend, you can't grow potatoes, no one in their right mind will go there useful to extract fossils, because something can fall off from radiation. Yes, let the so-called. The "elite" will wait out the nuclear war in comfortable bunkers with security, clean food, water, etc. Let them even sit there for 20-30 years, but you can't rot in a shelter forever, when a representative of the "elite" gets out of the bunker and understands what:
    1. There is no more "elite";
    2. Around the desert and devastation;
    3. Neither the police, nor doctors nor psychiatrists are no longer surrounded by anarchy;
    4.No your tricked out Merc with state numbers and a bank account, like a bank either;
    5. The population that has gone down into the Stone Age, which will happily cut off your head and no "crusts" will help them simply wipe themselves off;
    6. In the forest, if you don’t eat it, or if you don’t sunbathe on the beach, because something can come out of the sea and eat you, etc. ...
    Then, perhaps, the "winners" will envy the dead and the "vanquished".
    1. xmel2003
      +5
      12 August 2013 09: 26
      1. no need to shoot you in the head to take the wallet, just poke the barrel in the stomach - you will give it yourself.
      2. nobody canceled the "golden meliard".
      3. After Chernobyl, Japanese bombing, the land cleared for decades - low-power nuclear charges lead to less pollution than Chernobyl.
      4. there will be no nuclear war as a current one - there will be a disarming strike - 50 - 80 explosions of 10 kT each (less pollution or comparable to Chernobyl) plus conventional high-precision weapons.
      1. +4
        12 August 2013 13: 24
        But I do not agree! In Chernobyl, the roof of one reactor leaked, and what did not seem to be enough? And if all 4 blocks collapsed (which is very likely when bombarded even with conventional weapons) The earth has cleared itself? And you will go to live there? Yes, even with your family? Look at the old Soviet film "Letters of a Dead Man", such a picture will be applied. Yes, and who will restore everything, again remember Chernobyl, a huge country at the peak of its power in peacetime got tired of doing what or with this problem, and here you expect to solve these problems by an order of magnitude more numerous in conditions of complete devastation and military conflict! How do you imagine that? Truly the living will envy the dead ...
        1. xmel2003
          0
          29 August 2013 23: 46
          I live. Understand the reactors no one will shoot. And nobody will restore anything. They will take control of what is possible, and with the infected they will wait 10-20 years until the "dust" settles.
      2. Nitup
        +4
        12 August 2013 14: 30
        Quote: xmel2003
        there will be no nuclear war, as there is a current one — there will be a disarming strike - 50 - 80 explosions of 10 kT each (less pollution or comparable to Chernobyl) plus conventional high-precision weapons.

        In addition, nuclear strikes will not target the places of mining, which are of the greatest interest to our "partners".
    2. +13
      12 August 2013 09: 28
      [quote = Standard Oil] Does nuclear war have any benefits? What will the winner get? Radioactive desert?

      Unfortunately, amers are more sympathetic to another hypothesis - the example of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There were bombings, yes. But now on the site of the former nuclear ashes there are people who are ready to kiss their "benefactors" in the ass. With Russia, they want a repetition of something similar. However, the Yankees do not take into account the mentality. We, as it were, too, in the event of a mess, will confidently proceed to the "reduction of the States." In any case, I really want to hope so.
      1. Arabist
        +2
        12 August 2013 09: 50
        Not only does the mentality not be taken into account, but the fact that the power of nuclear weapons after Hiroshima and Nagasaki has grown dozens, and in some missiles, a hundred times.
      2. +7
        12 August 2013 09: 52
        In my opinion, no one can say with accuracy about the consequences of massive nuclear bombings, only theoretically. Yes, and one should not forget about a retaliatory strike against the United States, when they say they will launch 100 charges, they will shoot down 90, but 10 will reach and 10 American cities are multiplied by zero, and for Americans who are not accustomed to ruins on their own land, this is a shock and most likely the collapse of the entire economy. Yes, and there are different bombs, maybe there are those, after which it is enough to sweep up and that's all, but there are those to the epicenters of the explosion which it is better not to approach for another 200-300 at least. And the Japanese have nothing to do with their land, they have to put up with the consequences of "democratization", and the fact that Mr. Truman is not recognized at least in Japan as a war criminal is really strange. Although perhaps the Japanese as a nation "broke", as once the French were diligently licking Adolf's ass and not daring to blather against any antics of the Germans, in particular the relationship of German soldiers with French women, although maybe they just liked it ...
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  20. +7
    12 August 2013 09: 10
    Oh, Ascetic is gone! Could great comment on this article. Maybe just asymmetrical sculpt something ...
    1. +5
      12 August 2013 14: 48
      Quote: retired
      Oh, Ascetic is gone! Could great comment on this article.

      Yes, we are missing him today, for a generalization of the general aspirations of a conclusion. Ahhh! ASKET where are you? give us a quick one, otherwise we are all tired of trying on our deaths here. crying request what
      1. +2
        12 August 2013 14: 55
        Well ... Cosmos also commented great on the article. Thank you so much! But Ascetic is still not enough! request
  21. +7
    12 August 2013 09: 14
    Getting ready! Not just because the GDP drove the troops east!
    It feels like the calm before the storm!
    The Chinese and America concluded a non-aggression pact until 2022! therefore, it is necessary to hurry with the re-equipment.
    Tanks with new weapons, nuclear submarines, etc.
    1. Nitup
      +3
      12 August 2013 14: 33
      Quote: Nitarius
      The Chinese and America concluded a non-aggression pact until 2022! therefore, it is necessary to hurry with the re-equipment.
      Tanks with new weapons, nuclear submarines, etc.

      Can I link to an article about the pact?
  22. +1
    12 August 2013 09: 19
    We need an asymmetric response, we need to mobilize industrial and defense resources, which our "democratic" authorities are not capable of. They are only capable of imprisoning patriots and fineing corrupt officials.
  23. +4
    12 August 2013 09: 22
    So it was already ... They also considered them invincible, but what ended? Pisses want the next 700 years to live in bunkers? Well, we don’t need someone else’s, but we won’t give up ours either ...
  24. +10
    12 August 2013 09: 25
    The very question "Is the United States ready to destroy Russia?" generates a counter question, “Why?”, to which no one will answer. If the United States decided to "destroy" Russia, there would be enough economic leverage for that. It is enough to carry out a trade embargo and Russia will collapse. Agriculture has been destroyed and Russia will not feed itself, industry will finally wither away, the lack of petrodollars will put an end to the ambitions of the so-called elite, which is so accustomed to luxury in any part of the world that the prospect of repeating the fate of the DPRK Jucheists will force them to whitewash Obama's backside with their tongues.
    PS: As Z. Brzezinski said, “Russia can have as many nuclear suitcases and nuclear buttons as it wants, but since $ 500 billion of the Russian elite is in our banks, you still have to figure it out: is it your elite or already ours? I don't see a single situation in which Russia will use its nuclear potential. " I think this phrase answers many questions, so it makes no sense to break spears at the expense of missile defense.
    1. +7
      12 August 2013 09: 46
      Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated (c)
      The same China will put on the embargo as nefig do.
      And Europe will begin to degrade without our hydrocarbons.
      1. +3
        12 August 2013 09: 49
        How China uses the embargo for its own purposes is visible to everyone in Iran. Suppose Russia can sell oil and gas to China on their terms, but who will feed Russia? China itself buys food, he will not feed Russia. Otherwise, Russia loses its sovereignty and becomes a province of China, i.e. same.
    2. optimist
      +1
      12 August 2013 10: 05
      Quote: Nayhas
      The very question "Is the United States ready to destroy Russia?" generates a counter question, “Why?”, to which no one will answer. If the United States decided to "destroy" Russia, there would be enough economic leverage for that. It is enough to carry out a trade embargo and Russia will collapse. Agriculture has been destroyed and Russia will not feed itself, industry will finally wither away, the lack of petrodollars will put an end to the ambitions of the so-called elite, which is so accustomed to luxury in any part of the world that the prospect of repeating the fate of the DPRK Jucheists will force them to whitewash Obama's backside with their tongues.

      Gold words! Amer did everything 22 years ago, destroying the USSR, Soviet Power and setting his watchmen: ebna, and then gdp. So let the forum relax: there will be no war, for we have already lost it a long time ago. And the fact that NATO tanks (so far!) Do not drive NATO tanks means nothing ...
    3. +2
      12 August 2013 14: 57
      Quote: Nayhas
      : is it your elite or is it already ours?

      So take it (the elite) with billions of these candy wrappers for yourself and with the fact that they bought these candy wrappers from you there, and OUR will remain with us in Russia. lol
  25. +8
    12 August 2013 09: 30
    Judging by how the US screams louder and louder that Russia is returning during the Cold War, the Yankees are embarrassing. They are intensively developing hypersonic missiles, which no one can fight with now. Improving high-precision weapons, which in its parameters approaches nuclear weapons. And at the same time it creates a missile defense, the elements of which they are trying to deploy throughout the globe. If the confrontation between the USSR and the USA was based on an ideological front, then in the 21 century, Americans are trying to eliminate Russia from participating in the solution of all controversial issues in world politics. There is only one conclusion: America wants to rule the world and personally decide the fate of the world. Hitler dreamed the same thing. Everyone knows how it ended.
  26. Shep
    +2
    12 August 2013 09: 36
    Interesting! But there are twigs of submarines that probably walk regularly around North America. They have no nuts to twist on the forest :)
  27. +4
    12 August 2013 09: 37
    And in response to "Russia's aggressive actions"

    Here he is right. All our progress, in rearmament of the Armed Forces, is "Russian aggression" for the brainwashed Gay European. We need articles in the European Internet: "who will burn first" The Czech Republic has changed its mind.
  28. +8
    12 August 2013 09: 43
    An interesting article, but the capabilities of the SM 3 missile are clearly overrated.
    It can’t effectively hit ground targets at 1000 km and that’s why.
    With their dimensions: with a diameter of 0,343 and a length of 6,55 m, it will have a starting mass of a maximum of 1,5 tons, which is clearly not enough to strike a high-speed hyperballistic trajectory, and even with anti-aircraft maneuvers.
    Rocket Iskander, its performance characteristics, is enough only for such a strike at 500 km.
    TTX OTRK Iskander
    Rocket launch weight: 3 kg
    Warhead Weight: 480 kg
    Length 7,2 m
    Diameter 920 mm
    Of course, SM can hit a ground target at such a distance, but it will hit an economical ballistic trajectory. In this case, the warhead of the missile will be small and the flight time, like a conventional medium-range missile, will be about 15 minutes.
    But the article is in principle correct.
    1. +1
      12 August 2013 11: 04
      But what about the P-500 for the Iskander? It seems they are talking about 2500 km range.
      1. +3
        12 August 2013 11: 14
        There, we are already talking about Iskander in the version of the Kyrgyz Republic, and about subsonic speed.
        Judge for yourself the Tomahawk with mass-dimensional parameters comparable to SM beats a maximum of 1600-2500 km. And of course on the sound.
        And the author is trying to assure us that similar range parameters are achievable on supersonic and hyper-ballistic trajectories.
    2. xmel2003
      0
      30 August 2013 00: 07
      And it is unnecessary for her to carry a warhead of 500 kg - 100 kg is enough. With its power-to-weight ratio, it will easily throw at 1000 km. So for this purpose, it was designed to destroy KP and launch sites. I am sure of this and there is its anti-missile defense.
  29. +10
    12 August 2013 09: 46
    "Moreover, launchers can be mounted, for example, in a standard 40-foot sea container. And such" containers "can be anywhere, for example, in the Baltic States. The container cannot be controlled. Vessels carry a myriad of them. Any freight train can be a carrier of missiles. Sea containers are also transported by cars. Such "containers" can be placed in any transport terminal or just in a warehouse.
    We have also developed such "container transportation". And it wouldn’t hurt to deploy our “asymmetric response” in Cuba and Venezuela, and restore the status quo in Kamchatka, as in Soviet times.
    "... about 15 thousand US troops will be redeployed to the territory of Poland and the Baltic states. In total, nine divisions from the USA, Great Britain and Germany will be sent to Poland and the Baltic countries."
    It is necessary to start supplying modified meat products to these areas so that American soldiers are blown up to such an extent that they could not squeeze into the cockpits of command posts and launch complexes - this would also be an "asymmetric response" to possible threats wassat
  30. Alexander borey
    +10
    12 August 2013 09: 49
    Disarm Russia for a retaliatory nuclear strike at this stage as a result of BSU can no one, not a single country, not a single weapon. The USA is no exception. A significant part of strategic objects, but not all, can be destroyed. And the remaining forces will be enough to erase the States from the face of the Earth. But you need to beat the alarm now, then it will be too late. Quit the START Treaty and the INF Treaty and the Seabed Treaty.
    To begin mass production of the INF and to send them to NATO bases in Europe and Asia. With JLL itself, so as not to entertain themselves with the illusions of impunity. On ICBMs, increase the power of warheads and the number of nuclear units. Our long-range strategists should also be on combat duty with full combat load (now, according to the START, one of our long-range bomber can carry no more than 1 (one !!!) RC with nuclear warheads. go out and use our defense and strike potential to its full potential. As they say - to avoid. The first persons of Russia in any case will have time to hide in the bunker and give the order for return destruction. To secret all information about the number of our nuclear warheads and carry them s, including tactical nuclear weapons.
    This is an incomplete set of measures to prevent the temptation of the enemies of Russia (the United States, the English and the Saxon) to try to destroy our homeland and you and me.
    PS We look forward to the new BZHRK and PAK YES. They will become an additional weighty argument for Russia and will strengthen the defense-strike potential of our Fatherland. Happy Russian Air Force holiday! soldier
    1. +5
      12 August 2013 10: 04
      Quote: Alexander Borey
      This is an incomplete set of measures to prevent the temptation of the enemies of Russia (the United States, the English and the Saxon) to try to destroy our homeland and you and me

      In, at least offers! and then in the article only threats, and why do something, is not clear.
      In principle, combat patrols are the Americans themselves, yes, have they come up with? Well, it doesn’t matter who, it has not been canceled, well, the approach time has been reduced, the new introductory ones, to rework our measures to accelerate the answer, what revolutionary happened here, that the article almost panic ...
      1. Alexander borey
        +2
        12 August 2013 10: 51
        Exits from the above Treaties are a huge component of strengthening Russia's defense capabilities. Because of them, we CANNOT PROTECT OUR COUNTRY as required by the current situation in the world. We are in chains.
        Threat assessment should be carried out at least once a year and not be disclosed. Do missiles and nuclear weapons for anything (protection from UFOs, meteorites, etc.). Turn on the fool, in other words. Formally - do not complain, let them think what they want. In an extreme case, directly call the United States and its satellites ENEMIES.
    2. +3
      12 August 2013 13: 15
      In any case, the first persons of Russia will have time to hide in the bunker and give the order for reciprocal destruction.
      It's not obligatory:
      PETER BELOV, Doctor of Engineering: In the Soviet Union, the so-called “dead hand system” was developed. What does it mean? In case the country becomes the target of a nuclear missile attack and the commander-in-chief cannot make a decision, among the intercontinental Soviet missiles were those that could be launched by the signal of the radio command system.

      With the help of a complex network of sensors for seismic activity, air pressure and radiation, a “dead hand system" could trigger a nuclear arsenal in the event of a nuclear strike against the USSR - without anyone having to press the red button.
      If there was no connection with the Kremlin, and computers were diagnosed with a deadly atomic strike, the missiles would still be launched, giving the Soviet Union the opportunity to strike back post mortem, that is, posthumously.
      1. Alexander borey
        0
        12 August 2013 13: 53
        Quote: a52333
        With the help of a complex network of sensors for seismic activity, air pressure and radiation, a “dead hand system" could trigger a nuclear arsenal in the event of a nuclear strike against the USSR - without anyone having to press the red button.
        Keyword - could.
        "Dead Hand" aka "Perimeter" system ceased to exist in 1995.
        1. Arabist
          +1
          12 August 2013 18: 59
          The perimeter was revived in 2008 and went through modernization in 2011. so it could not, but maybe.
          1. Alexander borey
            0
            12 August 2013 20: 08
            This information is incorrect, to put it mildly. The Perimeter system has been destroyed, the command missiles have been cut, and no one has revived it. Even an argument is irrelevant here, but unfortunately it is.
            1. +1
              12 August 2013 20: 19
              Quote: Alexander Borey
              This information is incorrect, to put it mildly. The Perimeter system has been destroyed, the command missiles have been cut, and no one has revived it. Even an argument is irrelevant here, but unfortunately it is.

              ...
              no need to escalate!
              A whole regiment of command missiles is in Yurye!
              "In December 1990, a regiment (8th RP, military unit 76, BSP-49567) under the command of Colonel S.I. dubbed "Perimeter-RC", which includes a command missile, created on the basis of the ICBM RT-3PM "Topol". " - http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php/topic,2.html

              And that’s it! We won’t discuss this topic anymore !!!
              The guys are on duty, the system is armed ... and everything is under the stamp!
              1. Alexander borey
                0
                12 August 2013 20: 46
                I am not escalating, but stating a fact that has long been known to everyone. But you are misleading people. You have data for 1990.
                The command missile system with the 15A11 missile was on alert until 1995, when, as part of the START-1 agreement, the complex was removed from combat duty. This happened on September 1, 1995, when in the 7th missile division (Vypolzovo town) the 510th missile regiment, armed with command missiles, was removed from duty and disbanded. At this point, the fate of "Perimeter" was cut short, no "vultures" exist, no need to invent. The execution of START-1 was strictly and vigilantly monitored by American inspectors, first of all, they demanded the destruction of command missiles, every single one. This was done under the vigilant control of the United States. Without them, the "Perimeter" cannot exist. Yeltsin's team readily made any concessions. After that, and to this day, there are no projects to revive this system. I don't need to give different links, I know what I'm talking about.
                Quote: Rus2012
                The guys are on duty, the system is armed

                What kind of guys? What is the duty? What are you speaking about? Do not fantasize.
                1. Arabist
                  +1
                  12 August 2013 21: 13
                  Oh really? Have you checked everything yourself?
                2. 0
                  13 August 2013 20: 52
                  Quote: Alexander Borey
                  What kind of guys? What is the duty? What are you speaking about? Do not fantasize.

                  ... and follow the link weakly?
                  http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php/topic,8727.0.html
                  "To BSP-3 (76 RP), 304 RP were additionally transferred from BSP-31 and 776 RP from BSP-18, and 79 RP (BSP-17) and 107 RP (BSP-41) were disbanded.
                  At the site, only the shift on duty, everything else on the territory of the former Higher School of Management, is carried only on a monthly schedule.
                  They are on duty, go to the fields, though to close training positions.
                  Command missiles, which is probably why in all sources the Yuryansk division was removed from the strategic nuclear forces. "

                  Composition of the 8-th rd, military unit 44200, according to the state of 2012 of the year
                  :
                  76 Kirovsky missile regiment, military unit 49567, call sign "Zadel":
                  1 and 2 GPP - 1 Division
                  3 GPP and GBU - 2-th division
                  304 Guards Red Banner Missile Regiment, military unit 21649, callsign "Graduate":
                  4 and 5 GPP - 1 Division
                  6 GPP and GBU - 2-th division
                  776 missile regiment, military unit 68546, call sign "Galtel":
                  7 and 8 GPP - 1 Division
                  9 GPP and GBU - 2-th division
                  93 one (separate support division), military unit 31524
                  20 mustache, military unit 42800
                  2434 tank, military unit 12829
                  1754 ISB, military unit 44185
                  N-th rifle (separate guard and reconnaissance battalion), military unit 66593
                  809 Parm, military unit 44200-T
                  866 ogrsbus, military unit 44200-С
                  1762 vg (military hospital), military unit 41464
                  N-th military base (logistics support base), military unit 44200-B
                  45 etk (operational-technical commandant's office), military unit 61684


                  and that's it! Basta! Further this topic is TABU !!!
                3. +1
                  13 August 2013 22: 19
                  Quote: Alexander Borey
                  The command missile system with the 15A11 missile stood on alert until the 1995 of the year

                  ... and you know, dear colleague, that besides 15A11 there are other command missiles?
                  For example, there was the 15P656 "Horn" - a mobile ground missile system for 15Ж56 command missiles based on the "Pioneer".
                  And there is - PGRK 15P175 "Sirena" on the basis of "Topol" KR 15Zh75, which is still on the database. Source - http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php/board,233.0.html
  31. +9
    12 August 2013 09: 50
    Hello everyone! We must not forget that the United States is quite strong in attack, but not in defense. They practically do not exist on the territory of air defense (someone said that they have all air defense along with the army traveling around the planet). Therefore, a blow to the United States through Europe does not make sense. The main thing here is competent intelligence work and timely information about the beginning of the US offensive. In this case, our submarines would be enough to turn North America into hell, and then the countries of South America will be happy to help us. At the same time, point strikes must be destroyed, the whole missile defense system in the European part, and the Amer fleet destroyed. This is essentially all. And with something back, I feel that this is exactly what will happen if something happens. Oh yes, I forgot about China. These guys at this moment will be busy with the Japanese.
    1. +1
      12 August 2013 10: 46
      Quote: Manager
      Oh yes, I forgot about China. These guys at this moment will be busy with the Japanese.

      With great pleasure. And the Japanese should like it ...
    2. +1
      12 August 2013 11: 04
      I agree. I will support the idea with their fleet. Everyone knows that its backbone is the AUG. there are 10 of them for today, a couple around the Persian Gulf, one sometimes in the Mediterranean, then in the Atlantic swims, a couple under the belly of China, a couple flounders at home. so you need to jam such "fish" with dynamite ... 20-50 kilotons of dynamite for one AUG is enough, given that in fact they swim with all movement closely closely to the grinding.

      and by the way about the defense of the states, I also wrote somehow that they were not used to it. about 2 weeks ago he raised the topic for the creation of an independent shock group that would work directly across the states. it is clear that she would meet fierce resistance, but a blow to the enemy’s heart would already cause a certain panic. it’s one thing to bomb Libya when order is on your continent, and it’s another thing to fight a nuclear Great Power when a couple of divisions land somewhere on the Pacific coast.
    3. +4
      12 August 2013 12: 23
      oh, I don’t know, in your words, but I think these donkeys overseas are also not stupid, but I think that in such a situation only the total destruction of missile defense in Europe will help better with the countries where it is located so that they would not interfere then live looking at the casualties among the civilian population, its own skin is more expensive and at the same time a massive response in the direction of the United States, if only we could do it all
    4. +3
      12 August 2013 13: 26
      http://topwar.ru/18852-raketnyy-kompleks-club-k-kritika-i-perspektivy.html
      Asymmetric response,
  32. +5
    12 August 2013 10: 00
    And what?
    About the possibility of offensive use of missile defense and the fool was clear. About the capabilities of specific missiles - not everyone, but who knows the possibilities - 1 + 1 could be folded for a long time. The article put a few on the shelves, although again not all, confirmations by TTX, availability, etc. no, therefore the degree of threat is not clear. Simply, you can’t fight with one missile :) Well, these are trifles.
    The most important thing from here is what to do? Why 12 goals and the rest? Is everything so centralized in our country? But what about mobile complexes, for example? Why can't our "container" answer? In general, some facts give rise to questions to which there are no answers.
    The only thing I definitely understood :)
    In any case, in response to 12 attacks from Europe, we at least have time to answer from Siberia. Then from Europe there will be only Canaries :). I realized that the US doesn't give a damn about Europe. Tsk, sacrifice a knight to get the queen down.
    But so what next? The United States will remain 1 at 1 with China - which is even worse than a multipolar world. Well, you can also fill up China. But then the field will generally remain empty - what should America do on it? There are no people to point out external enemies, there is nowhere to put production - the primitive communal system will be shorter :)
    In general - garbage turns out. As Ivanovitch correctly pointed out, then it’s better to erase North America from the map than such a big mainland :) I think, those who pull the strings, they understand it ... Although, maybe they are just sick there, they have power over the world who you want crazy It’s not for nothing that there are so many Napoleons and Hitlers in the wards :))
  33. Nevsky
    +4
    12 August 2013 10: 14
    After reading the article, I remembered the good old Soviet film.

    laughing Song about world hooligans of the USA, England and Israel:

  34. yuri p
    +2
    12 August 2013 10: 23
    Indeed, until recently, in Russia there was no meaningful idea of ​​the level of danger of the American missile defense system. There was only a certain intuitive alarm ... -.............. this indicates the level of our military advisers to the president and the level of representatives of the general staff, and if the level of these officials is consistent, then the question is whether this is subversive activity, to the detriment of Russia.
  35. Stahlegewitter
    -1
    12 August 2013 10: 45
    Too yellow article. Many arguments are far-fetched.
    Such attacks in the style of "everything is lost, the enemy is at the borders" have long been parried with one argument. Revealing the concentration of strike forces on dangerous lines is the regular task of scouts. Moreover, to reveal the preparation for this concentration. Proceeding from the fact that this site is a military, and not a political review, we assume that in the event of opening preparations for an attack, our General Staff will make a strong-willed decision and transfer the troops to the required degree of combat readiness and issue an order for a preemptive strike. The enemy understands this logic, which means he will not dare to commit aggression.
    Blind intelligence? Please, but immediately get the full response.
  36. Perch_xnumx
    +5
    12 August 2013 10: 47

    In Soviet historical sources, as a rule, the name "Dropshot" was used in Russian letters without translation:

    At the direction of the government, a committee of chiefs of staff since 1949 developed a war plan code-named "Dropshot", in the interest of secrecy, the name is intentionally meaningless. [1]

    However, in our time sometimes there are also translations of the name: Instant strike, Short strike, Last shot.
    Plan Details [edit | edit source]

    The plan was based on the assumption that "Soviet aggression" would take place in 1957.

    He envisaged four phases of the war:

    1) Defense against the Soviet offensive in Western Europe at the Rhine-Alps-Piave border, defense against the Soviet invasion of the Middle East through Iran and Turkey, defense against the Soviet invasion of Japan while simultaneously bombing with atomic and conventional bombs on objects in the USSR, allies in the occupied territories of the USSR.

    On April 1, 1949, the United States planned to launch a massive nuclear strike against the USSR. It was planned to drop 300 nuclear bombs on 70 Soviet cities and 250 thousand tons of conventional bombs. It was planned to drop 8 nuclear bombs into Moscow. Attacks were planned in Omsk, Krasnoyarsk, Tashkent, Alma-Ata, Tbilisi, Novosibirsk. According to American generals, 2.7 million people were supposed to die after the first bombing. The country should have lost 30-40% of its economic potential. American experts recognized the inefficiency of atomic strikes against the Army, so the main blow should have been directed primarily against the civilian population.

    2) Continuing air strikes, continuing defense, intensifying psychological and economic war, underground struggle in the Soviet rear.

    3) A massive offensive in Europe with the aim of cutting off and destroying Soviet troops, continuing the offensive for forcing the USSR to surrender.

    4) The occupation of the territory of the USSR and its allies. [2]


    Has anything changed since then? You need to remember who is in power, people are the same as before and after World War II. As before, Russia is the number one enemy for the United States and NATO. The Americans are building an infrastrura to protect themselves from a retaliatory nuclear strike: these are elements of a missile defense system, as well as the first sudden and lightning strike. Anti-missiles are actually ballistic missiles, the option of equipping them with nuclear warheads is a completely viable option that you need to keep in mind. Winners are not judged if the world suddenly wakes up and faces a fact.
  37. +11
    12 August 2013 10: 49
    Here in this article there is something to seriously think about and reason ...
    What is the American missile defense? This is a missile defense system, with the ability to work on airplanes, satellites i.e. to carry out the functions of including and air defense. The Aegis, Thaad missile defense systems are based on the principle of kinetic interception, i.e. instead of the warhead is a blank, which is supposed to hit exactly on target. Look at the parameters of the SM-3 rocket, diameter 30cm, length 6m, three stages and altitude 250 km, what weight can the disc have? I think no more than 30-50 kg.
    Suppose there are three options for its use:
    1. Intercepting an attacking warhead from near space. No one canceled the problems, very high rates of convergence and the reaction time of the system, or lag. It is necessary to constantly calculate the trajectory and speed, transmit a signal to the rocket and still time to adjust the rocket itself. Not a single system, even the fastest, has the ability to predict the behavior of the target, unless we are dealing with linear laws, this is when the speed is constant and the trajectory is known, then the place and time of the meeting can be predicted, this is the physics of the 5 class. And if the target is maneuvering, not linear parameters, then everything becomes complicated many times over, and if there is also a massive attack, then put out the light. And there are still problems of radar, guidance is due to ground-based radars, space systems and a homing head, Americans do not have exclusive rights to electromagnetic waves, there are many ways to insert sticks into wheels, these are electronic warfare equipment, etc. The possibility of this interception is mathematically very close to zero. And they know about it both here and there. If anyone is not in the know, explain the problems of creating A-35 and 135, and their conclusions, by the way, the first interception is still 1961.
    2. The second follows from the first: Understanding the low efficiency and reliability of intercepting BBs, they began to move anti-missiles closer to the borders and develop the marine component, so that they could no longer intercept warheads but launch missiles, here the chances increase, but again, large distances to the location of missile silos and on its territory it is even easier to provide radio suppression. This creates big problems for the strategic submarine fleet, but even on takeoff it is possible to nullify the missile defense, before launching, provide for the detonation of an electromagnetic bomb at altitudes of 50 km, which will lead to a malfunction in the operation of all electronic guidance systems and allow the missiles to freely ascend to the stage of separation of the RFM.
    3. And the second follows from the second, but it seems to me the main and planned from the very beginning. This is an opportunity to replace tactical warheads and interceptors with a tactical warhead and strike already directly at the object of strategic defense. There is no point in talking about replacing with a conventional warhead, such a small amount of explosives is capable of scratching the shaft cover. It is precisely this danger, including, especially when deployed in Europe, and this “easy movement of the hand” that turns this complex from defensive to offensive and brings us back to the time of 80 to deploy the Pershing and the problem of flight time. As a result, we have a dual-purpose system and no guarantees, who knows what they have loaded in the cells on ships and mines, and the mosquito will not undermine the nose, since the system actually has defense properties, which is officially announced and promoted. I believe the military has always been aware of this, maybe it’s why Voronezh is being built ...

    Z.Y. If thieves pick up keys in your open door, what is their intention? What to do? Change locks or go out and give mounting on the head?
    1. +3
      12 August 2013 15: 11
      Quote: SPACE
      give mounting on the head?

      I like commercials more. angry
  38. +8
    12 August 2013 10: 57
    I am always anxious about rumors, especially such rumors.
    the stump is clear that most of the information in this article is intended for intimidation, but as they say: "there is no smoke without fire."
    and yet for Monday morning infa is not much depressing.

    and on the topic: if you look at history, then our country, our entire statehood, foreign policy has always unconditionally carried a defensive position. It is extremely rare and even then - locally we took any action. In the opposite vein, we can say about our overseas "partners and friends."
    We can have arbitrarily powerful air defense and the most advanced ballistic missiles, but still somewhere, on the sidelines of the Moscow Region and the General Staff there should be a directive that will not give the enemy a chance of survival in the event of a global war.
    how at one time in the USSR there was an idea to send a civilian tanker - a hydrogen bomb to destroy syshya. maybe it's a fairy tale, maybe not, but the idea, and most importantly, a plan for a crushing blow should be.
    If the aggressor has repeatedly manifested itself, trained in small, truly independent states, then he may well do it again, but with us.
    As for me, the solution to this issue could be the newly launched trains with nuclear weapons, which, like the "Voevoda", horrified the amersky hawks. and then there will be at least 12 goals.
    ps I didn’t want and I’m not going to panic, but nevertheless there is alarm for my Homeland ... especially against the backdrop of the militarization of the entire planet.
  39. +7
    12 August 2013 11: 01
    NOT, America will not fight with Russia, yet. As long as there is China. Here is the primary goal. And the star-strikers will do everything to collide Russia and China, This is in English-skunsky.
  40. +2
    12 August 2013 11: 03
    Another bullshit. No "super duper" missile defense system is capable of protecting neither the United States nor Russia from a massive raid of all types of missiles in service with Russia and the United States.
    Some single missiles of the missile defense system may be intercepted, but the remaining ones will be enough to finish off each other and stop such discussions forever.
    And those who are supposed to understand this in both countries understood and understand this. Therefore, all these horror stories about what the missile defense allegedly violate the strategic balance, parity, etc. come up with for one purpose: to frighten the taxpayer to death and make him fork out. And there is someone to cut the money. And sawing. It always has been, it is happening now, it will continue to be so.
    Therefore, it is not necessary, as Misha Zhvanetsky, the person on duty in the country, said, to exhaust either side of the fearlessness of his fearlessness. Useless!!! You just need to live by yourself and let others live. And the fact that someone in the Barack or in the Kremlin from time to time begins to quarrel and scare each other is because of the thoughtlessness of the arrogant and naive faith in science fiction stories of their military and other advisers. And with naivety, as well as with innocence, you need to leave on time.
    1. mihasik
      +6
      12 August 2013 12: 12
      And the fact that someone in the Barack or in the Kremlin from time to time begins to quarrel and scare each other is because of the thoughtlessness of the arrogant and naive faith in science fiction stories of their military and other advisers. And with naivety, as well as with innocence, you need to leave on time.

      What is it all about? If Saak’s tower was torn off in 2008 with his microscopic army (he doesn’t even have a hint of nuclear weapons), do you think that there aren’t such people in the States and they all apprehend the reality? Truman bombed in Japan only for impunity? Judging by your words, it’s possible to ruin our missile defense / air defense system, why spend money if they fail anyway? Then the question is: Why did the Caribbean crisis begin?
  41. +3
    12 August 2013 11: 10
    The replacement is underway, but unequal. I mean ours, of course. Let's say they build 15 PAK YES. But at the same time they will write off 200 Tu-22M3, all Tu-95. Formally, this is a modernization, but in fact there will be 15 PAK DA and, at best, the same 15 Tu-160. The same applies to ground-based ICBMs. I don’t know how it was with the Boreas in the fleet.
  42. +5
    12 August 2013 11: 10
    What are the fundamental differences between the 3 anti-aircraft missile and for example ballistic poplar, from the point of view of the carrier, in nothing, only in the scales. In any case, they remain rockets. The difference in specialization, in different control systems and warheads, in poplar is autonomous on gyroscopes, in cm3 there is a radio command. The royal first r7 ICBM in the world, by the way, also at the beginning, due to deficiencies in the internal control system, had a radio flight correction at the stage of carrier operation. The task was to bring the rocket to the point of separation of the BB. Then he flew by inertia, according to the laws of ballistics. The SM3 anti-aircraft missile is also guided by the Aegis radio command system and, in principle, can also be directed and fly along a ballistic trajectory to the BB drop point, if one is placed on it. There are no exact parameters of the rocket, but there is information on the range and height of interception, not to be confused with the range along the ballistic trajectory, and these are the parameters of the rocket's operation in the active section. Those. the working range of the anti-aircraft missile falls on the active phase, and the ballistic one has two, the active phase is lift, acceleration and passive is BB flight.
    Facts: cm3 can climb to 250 km of altitude while it has a speed of 2km / s, which will happen with warhead if it does not hit the satellite, it does not stop, but will fly by inertia for a while until it hits the ground, depending on angle of elevation, well, and what may be the range of casting such a missile BB. 500 KM? Ten minutes of free flight on top of the ballistic trajectory in almost airless space already gives 1000 km, and this already falls under the INF to 5000 km. The range of the rocket and its height are derivatives of rocket energy (dimensions), its payload and trajectory. So the difference between the defensive and strike system is the same as that of the bread cutting knife and the paratrooper's cleaver, that is, in what and what you want to use. And where are the guarantees?
    Z.Y. About five years ago, there were already military statements about the use of aegis as a weapon of the first strike. Place on ships a lot of UPV Arkov and Tikov with missiles with a small nuclear charge and you can continue to propose a reduction in START 3,4, etc.
  43. Genady1976
    +1
    12 August 2013 11: 44

    "TOMORROW". And what, no one sees or understands anything?
  44. rereture
    +2
    12 August 2013 11: 49
    You can, for example, play on the contradictions of China and the United States, for example, if the United States goes to war with us, we unite with China. If China is a war on us, then the United States.
  45. +2
    12 August 2013 11: 50
    he had one song ...
    true a long time ago
  46. +3
    12 August 2013 12: 02
    Recreate the "Perimeter" system and BZHRK, aiming all strategic missiles at the territory of a potential enemy. Other missile systems will be enough for European "friends". And we need rockets that reach satellites and place them in the path of the "partner" satellites flying over the territory of Russia. It is also possible satellites with the functional purpose of destroying satellites of the GPS system (even by ramming, so that there is no indignation about the withdrawal of weapons into space).
    I think, if Russia has something like that, maybe the overseas "friends" will come up with something?
  47. +8
    12 August 2013 12: 11
    There is no hope for adequate solutions in Europe, especially in the East. After all, I hope there are no people here who seriously believe in their so-called sovereignty. They are vasals and the sovereign makes decisions. How many Poles, Romanians and Balts will die. In fact, these guys do not give a shit about this, not even cannon fodder, this empty place does not feel sorry for him. Now further the probability of the first blow is very high, especially since now there is no need to experience illusions. Through the north or south, it doesn't matter the main thing, the interceptors must be brought as close as possible to the launch sites. This is true, with a certain change in parameters, interceptors can be turned into an MRMD or MRBM. Add here, according to various estimates, from 2500 to 7000 tomogavki and you get an oil painting. I do not remember the project roofing felts converted Los Angeles roofing felts and what kind of crap takes on board up to 150pcs of tomogavki boats, they say up to 30pcs in general fun. From the northern direction of the air defense there is simply no hole up to 1000 km. But THE MOST IMPORTANT AND DANGEROUS ALL THIS CREATES THE ILLUSION OF THE UNPUNISHED BLITZKRIG AND HOW MUCH WE HAVE BURNED FOR OUR HISTORY HOPE “BUT THEY ARE FOOLS IF THAT THEY WERE ENDED” AND THESE WOULD BE SO **** AND EVERYTHING WAS NOT. We must be ready so that no one even has the illusion of impunity, then there will be no blood.
  48. +1
    12 August 2013 12: 25
    We need strike platforms (Submarines, submarine platforms lying at the bottom, aircraft, satellites) capable of carrying nuclear weapons located on the strike position near North America. If you look at the map, in this case no America is able to protect its territory. Since even they do not have that kind of money, and We always come out from the position of protecting our territory. It has long been clear that the defense strategy needs to be fundamentally changed.
  49. +2
    12 August 2013 12: 26
    Quote: Nayhas
    But since 500 billion dollars of the Russian elite lie in our banks, you still need to figure it out: is it your elite or already ours? I do not see a single situation in which Russia will use its nuclear potential "


    The old Pole is right, as always. But it is impossible to take and pinch the "elite" at once. These same lards will rush to Russia in the form of ... God knows what. While the GDP is pressing them carefully.

    Regarding the survival of the Russians and the ground phase. Millions of people go through a daily survival school. Until the next spring, I will survive anyway, but in the spring I will not die, etc. Let them come - let's talk.
  50. +3
    12 August 2013 12: 32
    Given our vast territories and low population density in a nuclear war, they have no chance.
    1. +1
      12 August 2013 13: 24
      This idea was voiced by Nikita Khrychev at one of the congresses of the CPSU (like at 22m). So the thought is neither original nor sound. And what kind of victory in a nuclear war are we talking about?
  51. +4
    12 August 2013 12: 39
    The US is ready to destroy Russia?

    WELL, WELL, WELL angry
    And the nuclear submarine K-535 “Yuri Dolgoruky” (for example) is ready to destroy the United States.
  52. +4
    12 August 2013 12: 56
    McCain to Obama: Barack, let's hit Russia!
    Obama: that would be great, Putin offended me so much! Even if I am tomorrow, there is one small “But”...
    McCain: What's wrong?
    Obama: how do we like them?
    McCain: why should we?!


    Well, I’ll say one thing seriously: in the event of a big blow, they will have to destroy us all, or at least try to do it. If they seriously believe that after the 12th dash one hundred thousand 12 “disarming blows” the Russians will raise their paws and do everything they are told, then they are sadly mistaken. Better death than such a life. And we will die with them together, whether they want it or not. There is nothing more dangerous than a cornered rat, and nothing more dangerous than a man who has nothing left to lose.

    Now regarding the article itself. It is apocalyptic in Prokhanov’s way, and fully corresponds to the spirit of the newspaper “Zavtra”. Here you are, comrade patriots of our Motherland, an evil enemy, kick him, the bastard. He wants to do this to you and your loved ones, this... Meanwhile, in the States it’s just menopause, menstrual days. They were punched on the nose, they don’t know how to behave with us, no one has ever done this to them, and they simply don’t know what to do. But the newspaper "Zavtra" knows. For provocativeness and defeatist sentiments, minus the article, and minus the publication.

    Yes, we have, to put it mildly, difficult relations with the States. What is the newspaper achieving with its “military” experts? Do you want to push us into the bathhouse?!
    1. +1
      12 August 2013 13: 38
      Quote: Stiletto
      Well, I’ll say one thing seriously: in the event of a big cut, they will have to destroy us all

      You don’t have to, everything will be much simpler and without shots. Russia depends on imports, for example in 2012. According to the Federal Customs Service, Russia imported goods and food worth 312,6 billion US dollars, of which 50,3% were “machinery, equipment and vehicles.” From food, for example, “Fresh and frozen meat” purchased 1,4 million tons, this does not include poultry meat. We import 78% beef and 43% pork, the main suppliers being the USA and Brazil. I’m not even talking about our dependence on oil prices; it’s enough for them to fall to $50 per barrel and the economy, all social projects and military ambitions will last for a year. They will sweep away a government that the United States does not like and install anything they want, but judging by the fact that the United States is not taking any steps in this regard, it means that the authorities have what they need...
      1. 0
        12 August 2013 13: 49
        "Russia depends on imports"

        - Come on? Are you dependent on imports? Me not.

        "I'm not even talking about our dependence on oil prices"

        - And now who are you making laugh? You will also write about the dependence on gas prices - I have never had natural gas in my house, despite the fact that my entire region is surrounded by gas pipelines to Europe, and Gazprom proudly broadcasts before each news release that “we are the leader in gas supplies to Europe". Lead, what do I care? And if the damper is closed, who will be worse off - me or Europe?

        I depend only on my family and a little, on weekends, on beer.
        1. +1
          12 August 2013 15: 17
          Quote: Stiletto
          - Come on? Are you dependent on imports? Me not.

          Perhaps you are not directly dependent on imports, plant potatoes, raise livestock, heat with wood or coal, watch Emerald TV and listen to Mayak radio on the radio (it’s not clear how you access the Internet, I don’t know domestic PCs). But besides you, there are millions of Russians who use imports. Moreover, our industry, namely the military-industrial complex, without imported equipment will not be able to produce what you are usually proud of. When you say I, you somehow distance yourself from all the people.
          1. +1
            12 August 2013 15: 26
            The whole nation is an abstract concept; I do not identify myself with “white collar workers” and liberals. Fortunately, there are many people who, like me, plant potatoes, raise livestock, heat with wood and coal, watch “Emerald” or whatever, listen to “Mayak” on the radio and access the Internet from a government-owned computer, and regret "millions of Russians" who use imports. The flag is in your hands, move on.
  53. jet blackbird
    0
    12 August 2013 13: 12
    ....There is only one real answer to all these “anti-missile and anti-missile missiles”)) This is a powerful group of underwater nuclear missile carriers in the amount of 16 SSBNs, 8 each in the North Atlantic and North Pacific, constantly patrolling in the desired water area.
    It’s impossible not to reckon with such an armada....impossible))
    1. +4
      12 August 2013 13: 30
      The United States is well aware that Russia and the forces it currently has are quite sufficient to wipe the United States off the face of the Earth. Therefore, as before the collapse of the USSR, the bet is placed not on military actions but on economic ones. Drive Russia into an arms race that is beyond its strength, and then it itself will collapse. And those commentators who advocate “catch up and overtake” the United States in terms of weapons should clearly understand this. Everything has happened before, and it almost ended with a big “Boom” many times. So far I've been lucky. But luck may not last forever. Someday, with this approach, “Boom” will certainly happen. And then what? Maybe first of all you need to learn how to competently manage what you have and bring what you have to an acceptable level. And at the same time, we are preparing to replace the existing hardware with more modern ones. They don't fight by numbers.
  54. +2
    12 August 2013 13: 22
    Quote: Jet blackbird
    There is only one real answer to all these “anti-missile and anti-missile missiles”))


    Why only one? My perverted fantasy suggests that there could be much more. Instead of keeping our sailors in suspense, we can take a lazier path. For example, slowly cover the seabed off the coast of the United States with nuclear charges, confidentially inform “our partners” about this and hint that they there on the radio will... be quieter. Like, these charges are programmed for a song, which, of course, we can’t say, anything can happen. So it’s better not to sing the US anthem within a radius of 300 nautical miles, McCain and Cheney should stink less, you can listen to the Beatles. Bye. Until new introductory notes arrive.
    1. jet blackbird
      0
      12 August 2013 13: 32
      )))) You can also, for example, rent some kind of pig farm in Mexico, near the US border, and in case of “tension”, “stuff” these pigs with all the biological weapons that are available)) Pack the meat in beautiful packaging.. ..and deliver it on an airship to the wholesale meat market in Chicago...and then it will “bang” so much that there is no need to fight anymore....
  55. Peaceful military
    +1
    12 August 2013 13: 25
    Only the scumbags don’t want to see what’s happening and squeal about “peace, friendship and chewing gum.”
    No one is going to destroy Russia. Russia, having already been turned into a semi-colony, is being methodically turned into a colony, and this has never been hidden. Here are some quotes: “Russia does not fairly own such natural resources”; "Russia has enough population of 40 million people." etc.
    The beads did not work for the Russian Papuans, separatism was muted, the “orange” ones were dimmed. There are two trump cards left, the infantilism of the people and the real possibility of preventive destruction of Russia’s ability to launch a nuclear strike that would cause unacceptable damage to its “partners.”
    This is done through zombie media and missile defense.
    In this regard, I am absolutely for the movement of E. Fedorov and the party of N. Starikov, which set as their goal the NATIONAL LIBERATION MOVEMENT OF RUSSIA. OTHERWISE THE QUESTION IS NO LONGER WORTHY. RUSSIA IS OCCUPIED, BUT IS NOT YET COMPLETELY ENSUPIATED.
    1. Peaceful military
      +1
      12 August 2013 22: 52
      Hey, liberals, there are disadvantages, but are there any arguments?
      That's it.
  56. +2
    12 August 2013 13: 28
    Quote: mihasik
    What are we even talking about? If Sahak’s tower was torn off with his microscopic army in 2008 (he doesn’t even have a hint of nuclear weapons), then Do you think there are no such people in the States and they all adequately perceive reality?...
    Taking into account the destructive consequences of the “democratic reforms” of the last two decades, it seems that even the current supreme power has become clear what danger is looming over the country!
    Moreover, in the context of the ongoing and deepening global crisis...
    And we shouldn’t forget about the numerous fifth column that has multiplied in the country.

    I believe that the threats that did not arise yesterday are quite real for the country and require an adequate response.
    PS Perhaps there is not much time left for this...
    1. 0
      12 August 2013 20: 55
      Quote: Colonelic
      And we shouldn’t forget about the numerous fifth column that has multiplied in the country.

      If it is the will, then in the first half hour of the “special period” the entire 5th column will be crucified...
  57. +2
    12 August 2013 13: 35
    Yes, it seems the paranoia of mattresses has reached its climax. I allow any scenario for the development of events in the event of war. Well, let’s say they struck us with a surprise attack, having previously destroyed or partially destroyed the command post, the ZCP and the higher command. compound. Their goals are already clear: to block our strategic nuclear forces and take our resources under control either politically or militarily. But they can’t do without a ground operation....this is where the most interesting thing will happen.
    1. 0
      12 August 2013 13: 55
      “But they can’t do it without a ground operation... this is where the most interesting thing will happen.”

      - A “ground operation” after a nuclear winter will take place in 300 years at best. By then, nothing interesting can begin in principle. God willing, life will not fade away at all, and the first bacteria that have survived in the depths of the world’s oceans will be able to begin a “ground operation.”
  58. +2
    12 August 2013 13: 50
    That’s how everything is always fine, if we give you anything, we have it, etc., etc. They won't come here, what are they? The only thing that keeps us in the club of world powers, let’s be frank, is the presence of still large nuclear potential. It is only theoretically possible to destroy it, thank God, with a massive salvo of tomahawks. And nothing more. I don’t remember who said Russia can either be great or not exist at all. Then our peace-loving neighbors will tear us into pieces, there will be a parade of sovereignties and the collapse of everything and everywhere. We, as a subject of world law, will cease to exist and they no longer need anything from us. We ourselves will be forced to give away everything we have. What do you think they will take Moscow by storm?
  59. Stahlegewitter
    +2
    12 August 2013 13: 52
    Ground operations are simplified by attacks on military equipment storage bases and fuel and lubricants storage facilities.
  60. 0
    12 August 2013 13: 57
    Let them build missile defense and go bankrupt. It will not be possible to cope with the nuclear submarine.
    1. Peaceful military
      +1
      12 August 2013 14: 04
      There are few of them, they are more often in the databases than in the database, and those units that are in positions are constantly monitored.
      Thanks to Gorby, Ebn and all the anti-Soviet/Russophobes.
  61. Angolaforever
    +2
    12 August 2013 14: 10
    Why doesn’t anyone write an article about what will happen to the United States and Europe if a preemptive strike is launched on them?
    1. Peaceful military
      +1
      12 August 2013 14: 20
      And who will inflict it? Russia? Never. And there is no one else.
      1. Alexander borey
        +1
        12 August 2013 14: 26
        Quote: Peaceful military
        And who will inflict it? Russia? Never

        As for “never”, one should not draw such categorical conclusions. It is unknown what the geopolitical situation will be like tomorrow.
        1. Peaceful military
          0
          12 August 2013 23: 15
          Quote: Alexander Borey
          As for “never”, one should not draw such categorical conclusions. It is unknown what the geopolitical situation will be like tomorrow.

          I agree, Alexander!
          But it has never, precisely never happened in our history when our people and their leaders made decisions like the Anglo-Saxons and other Westerners:
          - Crusades, including to Rus';
          - Inquisition;
          - Colonialism;
          - Slavery;
          - Genocide of entire peoples and small nations and destruction, for example, of North American Indians and almost all South American ones;
          - Aggression of Napoleon, but in fact of a united Europe; aggression of a united Europe in Crimea; aggression of united Europe, USA and Japan during the Civil War; aggression of a united Europe on June 22, 1941;
          - Trotskyism;
          - Fascism/Nazism;
          - Carpet bombing of civilian targets;
          - Nuclear bombings;
          - Monstrous attacks with chemical weapons (! World War II, Westernizer Tukhachevsky, Vietnam);
          - The Cold War began during World War II, with the “Unthinkable” plan;
          - Brutal Russophobia and, as a result, the collapse of Russia twice, in 1917, through Kerensky and Co. and in 1991, through Gorbi and Co.
          So the hand of our man will never rise to destroy. Retribution, YES, the answer is YES, but not intentional destruction.
          This is what is alarming. After all, the “partners” understand this very well, which is why their actions are BRALDLY frank.
    2. Alexander borey
      +3
      12 August 2013 14: 21
      It will be bad for them, so they don’t write. They pity the fragile psyche of foreigners on the site. They already have a suicidal situation. laughing
      1. Peaceful military
        0
        12 August 2013 23: 19
        Bravura and mischief are some of the elements of their ideological war against us.
        Yes, remember, at least the Russian-Japanese War... and the Crimean, and Finnish, and the beginning of the Second World War.
        1. Alexander borey
          +1
          12 August 2013 23: 36
          Quote: Peaceful military
          Yes, remember, at least the Russian-Japanese War... and the Crimean, and Finnish, and the beginning of the Second World War.

          History is, of course, good, but times have changed, changed dramatically. The templates of the past no longer work. Then there were no such destructive weapons as now, and the world was not so dependent on the Anglo-Saxons and the dollar. Humanity is rapidly decomposing spiritually and healthy people in all countries look with hope to Russia and the Slavic-Orthodox world. Russia is the last frontier before global chaos. We have entered a fundamentally new era, which humanity has not yet known. Time will tell what will come of this. We cannot be weak.
          This is a response to two of your comments.
        2. 0
          13 August 2013 17: 51
          Quote: Peaceful military
          Bravura and mischief are some of the elements of their ideological war against us.
          Yes, remember, at least the Russian-Japanese War... and the Crimean, and Finnish, and the beginning of the Second World War.

          This is not bravura and mischief, but rather, on the contrary, panic-mongering by hired foreign forum trolls - “boss, everything is gone, the client is leaving, the cast is being removed...”.
          If the states and NATO had an advantage in strength, they would have invaded Russia long ago.
          During the Russo-Japanese War, the Republic of Ingushetia crushed the Japanese to the point of complete economic, political and military collapse, and if the weak-minded Nikolashka had not entrusted the negotiations on a peace treaty to the Yankees, Russia could have chopped off part of the Japanese Islands; the narrow-eyed had already developed such an option.
          The Crimean War 1853-1856 (Eastern War) was a war between the Russian Empire and a coalition consisting of the British, French, Ottoman Empires and the Kingdom of Sardinia. The fighting took place in the Caucasus, in the Danube principalities, in the Baltic, Black, White and Barents seas, as well as in Kamchatka. They reached their greatest tension in the Crimea. The total number of those killed in battle, as well as those who died from wounds and diseases in the Allied army was 160-170 thousand people, in the Russian army - 100-110 thousand people. So who won is not the question.
          The Finnish war was planned by the “heroes” of the civil war who did not know how to ensure the interaction of infantry with artillery, armored vehicles and aviation. Stalin did not have time to properly cleanse the army of “heroes” and so the losses were from the incompetent leadership. But the Finns were still crushed, just not crushed a little.
          The “heroes” proved themselves in 1941, but despite this, and despite their 5-fold numerical and technical advantage in the direction of the main attack, the Germans were unable to take Moscow.
  62. Druid
    +3
    12 August 2013 14: 37
    Quote: alexneg
    The USA have been hatching plans for the first disarming strike for a long time, and each time these attempts failed, since there are no invulnerable systems. So the jackals are rushing about, because there is no confidence that everything will go smoothly and they won’t get hit in the face.
    In the United States, apparently, they never abandoned this idea, and the development of technology and weapons only opens up new opportunities for striking with conventional weapons, primarily against strategic nuclear forces and command and control systems of troops and the state.
    It has already been written somewhere that having destroyed the lion's share of WMD carriers, the Americans in the future expect, even in the event of Russia's attempts to strike back with the remnants of the carriers, to destroy them with missile defense systems. Since in this case, with the destruction of the majority of Russian carriers, with a constant number of deployed missile defense systems of the United States and its allies, the effectiveness of missile defense increases almost by an order of magnitude.
    Judging by the dates of Russia’s rearmament plans, the Russian leadership considers such a scenario possible no earlier than 2025. Most likely, by this period the fate of Syria and Iran will be decided, and the United States will gain control of the majority of the world's hydrocarbon reserves. Dumping on the world market initiated by the Americans will lead to a crisis in the Russian economy, interethnic relations will worsen to a critical point at this point, the beginning has already been made, the paid “saviors of Russia”, beating the “Tajiks” of the Yakut or Buryat flood, are intensively bringing the end of the Russian Federation closer. (Everything is almost like a collapse USSR, only easier and faster)
    It’s clear, I can’t know the plans of the US leadership - they won’t share lol , but apparently Russia “for the Russians,” as they shout today at various processions, is in the minds of not only skinheads, and is seen from across the ocean on a piece of the European part of the current Russian Federation, and almost mononational states will also arise on the territories of all former Russian colonies - Yakutia, Altai Republic, etc. Yes, yes, colonies - those abroad are increasingly considering most of the territories of present-day Russia as colonies, especially since the federal structure provides a lot of prerequisites for this.
    And these gentlemen don’t care about all the arguments; their logic is simple - “the Russians took advantage, and incompetently, of everything beyond the Volga, now it’s our turn.”
    So, judging by their logic, sooner or later Russia’s turn will come, and they have been moving toward this since the end of World War II. The maximum that, as we see, Russia can afford is to support the “heroic Syrian people” in order to gain as much time as possible. If Russia does not develop anything new during this time, all this modernization of the army and conventional weapons is a useless undertaking.

    But it seems to me that Russia doesn’t even need enemies; it will soon begin to burst at the seams...
  63. +2
    12 August 2013 14: 37
    They are ready, but who will give it to them? A salvo of one Borey even from the pier and no USA.
  64. +4
    12 August 2013 14: 46
    operating nuclear submarines the cat cried, they are constantly herded. And the main eternal problem, which the USSR had difficulty solving, can be said to be the Achilles heel of our submarine fleet, the patrol sites are not protected from the air. There is no hope for the nuclear submarine in its current state, let’s face it. And another problem is that we are extending the service life of heavy ICBMs for the third time; there are simply no replacement factories. Once one of the specialists said that in order to replace them, we need to produce 30-40 yars and poplars per year, we produce 7-8 pieces. In general, in order for 1941 not to happen again, the nation needs complete mobilization, clear and understandable goals and objectives, and work, work, work. All the same, these faggots suck. And it’s not Russia that will be brought to its knees by the damned assholes. Sorry I couldn't stand it.
    1. Nitup
      0
      12 August 2013 15: 11
      Quote: kapitan281271
      And another problem is that we are extending the service life of heavy ICBMs for the third time; there are simply no replacement factories.

      This is how they are going to make a new liquid-propellant rocket at KrasMash
    2. 0
      13 August 2013 18: 25
      Quote: kapitan281271
      operating nuclear submarines the cat cried, they are constantly herded. And the main eternal problem, which the USSR had difficulty solving, can be said to be the Achilles heel of our submarine fleet, the patrol sites are not protected from the air. There is no hope for the nuclear submarine in its current state, let’s face it.

      That's right, let's face it, cats don't cry.
      I don’t know how many nuclear submarines the Russian Federation has on combat duty, but at least 10 out of 35 are for sure, and each of them can wipe out half of the US Army with one blow.
      It is impossible to graze a nuclear submarine; these are not the submarines of the Second World War that dived to 50 m and regularly surfaced to charge their batteries.
      Nuclear submarines do not need air protection; they can protect themselves quite well.
  65. -1
    12 August 2013 14: 57
    Quote: GrBear
    Quote: Nayhas
    But since 500 billion dollars of the Russian elite lie in our banks, you still need to figure it out: is it your elite or already ours? I do not see a single situation in which Russia will use its nuclear potential "


    The old Pole is right, as always. But it is impossible to take and pinch the "elite" at once. These same lards will rush to Russia in the form of ... God knows what. While the GDP is pressing them carefully.

    Regarding the survival of the Russians and the ground phase. Millions of people go through a daily survival school. Until the next spring, I will survive anyway, but in the spring I will not die, etc. Let them come - let's talk.

    Good afternoon dear "GrBear"!
    I completely agree with you about Brzezinski. drinks By the way, now in his old age, even signs of objectivity appeared regarding the USSR and Russia (or did he carefully hide them before?).
    But regarding the opinion about the danger of “pinching the elite,” I have a different opinion.
    1. In my opinion, you should not just “pinch their tail”, but put on a noose and tighten it.
    Can you imagine how the law-abiding nature of the remaining oligarchs and officials would sharply increase, the income of the Russian treasury would increase, and the “kickbacks and cuts” of the state budget would decrease hundreds of times. good
    2. Can this act of state power be afford Comrade Putin ? sad
    In this aspect, I personally have very big doubts,
    - because it’s about business (and not empty angry speeches),
    - Comrade Putin has been behaving like “EBN’S SUCCESSOR” for 13 years now,
    - only with its own form of behavior,
    - but with the same essence of an “obedient manager” to ensure in the future all the hothouse conditions for the theft of Russia and impunity for real influential persons (unknown to the general public) and owners of money,
    - which were provided to them by the Gorby & Co. clique at the direction of the rotten top of the KGB in 1985-1991.
  66. +4
    12 August 2013 15: 26
    One of the physicists, when asked: “Who will win the third world war?” Answered: “I don’t know that, but
    But I know for sure that the fourth world war will be fought exclusively with sticks and stones!”
    I hope none of the forum members doubt the ability of our strategic nuclear forces to strike back
    "retribution" against the aggressor with the infliction of "unacceptable damage"? I think there is no doubt about this and
    states. Therefore, I consider the article to be somewhat “overwhelming” and hysterical.
    1. +2
      12 August 2013 16: 19
      I agree, and stop looking for enemies under the bed. Yes, they do exist, and not only in the USA, and this fact must be taken into account, but one must not fall into hysterics, even belligerent ones. And there were already plans for preventive strikes. In June 41. How it ended is known.
  67. +3
    12 August 2013 15: 49
    Pinching or hanging the so-called elites is our way. The loot had already been plundered. It won't give anything, they took a lot from a birch tree or a goose. These Kremlin Pharisees do nothing to make money work here in Russia. They raised taxes on small and medium-sized entrepreneurs, they expected to collect 5 billion, 300000 closed, according to the most conservative estimates, they lost 15 billion, well, at least one bitch answered for it. Incompetence everywhere, crap with all the reforms, ur***. True, I used to think on purpose or they are engaged in sabotage or they create convenient conditions for cutting the dough, no guys, they are simply incompetent, they run around like lousy people in the bathhouses, let’s do it like this, let’s do it like that, and in the end nothing. Either we are dividing the energy sector, then we are merging, then divisions instead of brigades, then we are not transferring, then E.G. Loot was sent to re-equip and about the revelation, everyone except them knew that there were no enterprises left for anyone to use that kind of money; state tests There are no thoughtful, verified, analyzed government decisions, everything is a mess.
  68. +2
    12 August 2013 15: 59
    of course we will strike back, but how much damage it will cause to the United States is not clear, if the Americans decide to do this, then the strike will be lightning fast and in all directions, they will destroy nuclear submarines, there are not many of them and they are watching them, attacking the most important objects from Europe with missiles, perhaps some objects close to the border are also attacked by planes carrying nuclear weapons without going deep into the territory of the Russian Federation, while we respond to targets in Europe, a massive strike will follow from their nuclear submarines and the continent itself, they have a lot of options, in short, the picture is not pleasant, but possible , we need to prepare ourselves for a preemptive strike so that they don’t throw slippers at us
  69. Alexander borey
    +3
    12 August 2013 17: 05
    Quote: kapitan281271
    patrol sites are not protected from the air

    How do you imagine that? This will immediately give out the coordinates of our nuclear submarines to the enemy and in a few hours the NATO fleet will be circling in the indicated square like piranhas in a jar. What if our underwater strategist lay down somewhere near the Hudson Bay or the coast of Florida? (as has happened more than once). And no one discovered them, although later there was a lot of stench from the amers. Do you propose to provide air protection for our submarines there?
    A nuclear strike from submarine cruisers on the enemy is like what you need to hope for first of all. There are factories, missiles are being produced and will be produced. The new ICBM is simply not ready yet, but that’s another question, work in this direction is in full swing. This one of the most important priorities of the State Program of Promotion 2020. In addition, a deep modernization and replacement of the machine fleet, training of young personnel, and robotization of production are currently underway. Everything will be carried out
  70. +4
    12 August 2013 17: 13
    Ground targets can be hit by a LASM missile at a range 3–4 times greater than the interception range of air targets shared with it by the SM 2 anti-aircraft missile.

    Fairy tales about the Yusov-NATO umbrella-missile defense are taken seriously only by kids who are down.
    Any missile defense missile can be used to strike both air and ground targets.
    This means that Russia needs to create several thousand launch positions for launching all types of missiles
    from Brest to Anadyr, from Salekhard to Kushka. Russia still has opportunities for this.
    And it’s time to throw all the Yusovo airfields located within the borders of the former USSR to their mothers,
    until the striped-pimply macaques-caine finally had their brains jammed.
    They were also shy with Hitler, they were afraid to provoke him.
  71. +4
    12 August 2013 17: 33
    Quote: Corsair5912
    They were also shy with Hitler, they were afraid to provoke

    but this is correct, as it is sung in the song “don’t be shy”, otherwise the kirdyk may come unnoticeably, our opponents, so to speak, have already lost all fear and conscience, surrounded on all sides and continue with the same zeal, and we are thinking of placing whether the Iskanders or something will work, but no, it won’t, we must make it clear that everything is not so simple, although the army is not very strong now, but the response will be immediate and terrible, with all that we have in our arsenal! !
  72. 0
    12 August 2013 18: 35
    A time-tested recipe for fighting the American military in Europe:

    - place missiles on Cuba!
  73. +1
    12 August 2013 19: 52
    "Man proposes, but...God disposes...!" Whatever the temptation may be for the “metaphysical proteges” of Satan on the overseas land, (having collected into a “cauldron” all the human “husk” - adherents, for 300 years), but “The Russian people are the people of GOD BEARERS” (F, Dostoevsky) more than once, for human history, brought powerful empires, not to mention world wars (where there were humiliated and insulted), but to such a concept “who jinxed Mongolia...”, for those who “pooped” on Russian soil for 300 years!
  74. +2
    12 August 2013 19: 59
    and in general, what are we talking about here is an article http://inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20130812/211821211.html, in it the Estonians are thinking about how if they go to war with Russia, they have an army of 5500, but at the end they can bring it to 30000 at the expense of reservists, no tanks, no planes, no missile defense, but all the same, and here we are, America, America belay
  75. +3
    12 August 2013 20: 30
    Hello everybody! HAPPY DAY TO OUR AVIATION! And on this topic I would like to recall an anecdote about a dozen of the idiot lieutenants IVANOVs, forgotten at the “points”, who will carry out the order under any power, any government and in any weather (and anywhere in the world’s oceans) for the benefit of RUSSIA!
  76. The Indian Joe
    +2
    12 August 2013 20: 55
    I think it’s time for Russia to withdraw from the treaty on short- and medium-range missiles - de facto, the United States has had such missiles for a long time, stationed at bases near the borders of Russia. In general, as history shows, for any clever attacking nut the Russians ALWAYS have a bolt with a left-hand thread!
  77. tooth46
    +1
    12 August 2013 23: 43
    I don’t understand one thing: why didn’t the States and Europe occupy us with their bare hands with all our raw materials in the early 90s, when we fell below the baseboard and were completely helpless? After all, they had unlimited influence on our elite, and our army and other security forces were disorganized to the point of indecency, being in a state of complete confusion and vacillation. Is it really for humane reasons that the population of a huge power that has been conquered and brought into a state of anarchy will still have to be fed for some time? Or did these (the States, I mean) not achieving the desired result in those wonderful years and mourning the lost opportunities, really decided to liquidate us in the near future through direct military action? The globe is small and they quite see themselves on it as the sole owner. The article makes you think. May God grant our leadership wisdom, and give us all time for the worthy rearmament of the Army and the revival of the Military Industry. Haste is quite appropriate.
  78. Druid
    +1
    13 August 2013 01: 15
    Quote: alekseinew
    Estonians are wondering what if they go to war with Russia, they have an army of 5500, well, at the end they can increase it to 30000 at the expense of reservists, no tanks, no planes, no missile defense, but all the same, and we are here America America belay
    To put it mildly, a slightly loose interpretation of the essence of the article; it does not say anywhere that the Estonians are thinking about attacking Russia. The article contains a fairly objective analysis of what happened, although we can’t entirely agree.
    Speaking about intelligence failures, the author did not take into account one thing; for Russia, this is the first company where it was able to realize almost all the fruits of the work of its intelligence services:
    - the Russians prepared and dragged Georgia into the war, a small country that became a dangerous precedent under Saakashvili. I was in Georgia shortly before the start of the war and no matter what anyone says, but a couple more years of Saakashvili in power with all his shortcomings, and Georgia would not only become a completely modern and successful state, but would also be able to return the occupied territories, and with little bloodshed, if if it were there at all, there would be blood;
    - judging by the number of documents from the Georgian General Staff that were shown on Russian television and how, contrary to common sense, the Georgian army actually made a grave mistake by being drawn into Tskhinvali, instead of blocking the border with the Russian Federation, there was betrayal at the highest level in the Georgian leadership and its army, and this is also the merit of the Russian special services;
    - and so on. and so on.
    But the most important thing is not even in particulars, Georgia was doomed in any case in this war and I repeat, this is the success of the Russian special services. If this was a war unexpected for Russia, if there had not been so many command post exercises, if the troops had not been deployed and prepared ahead of time, there would have been another assault on Grozny, and large losses would have hit the image of the authorities inside Russia, forcing the withdrawal of troops, and would have dealt a powerful blow to their image on the international stage.
    The war in Ossetia frightened all states at the level of Georgia; the big guy doesn’t have the strength to fight his own kind, but he can kick the kids in the sandbox even with flaws.
    So Estonia is thinking about what to expect if it and its sandbox end up on its big neighbor’s way, and draws conclusions from the mistakes of the Georgians.
    There is only one main conclusion - in such a situation there is no need to resort to provocations and it is necessary to retreat, compromising the aggressor with good information to the world community, and only after the “step” beyond the line of such an enemy has been recorded, only then should we fight. The Georgians were bought and everyone needs to think more about how not to buy it, and to cleanse their power and headquarters of corrupt ones.
  79. +2
    13 August 2013 07: 16
    Quote: eplewke
    The regiment of iskanders in Kalingrad solves the problem tightly ...

    It's funny to read about Iskanders. There is only one regiment of them for the whole country. Yes, with our collapsed industry and the entire economy in general, we will never raise the defense industry to the Soviet level. In Kuzbass, ZapSib and KMK are barely breathing, but the Yurginsky Machinery Plant, which produced a very large number of weapons, does not exist. And this is only in one area, and that is said only a little. And if you look across the country, there is devastation everywhere. Only larger enterprises are still breathing, and soon they too will run out of steam. Why are there always failures in government orders? production destroyed! And the media is throwing dust in our eyes and ears. Everyone is working against our Motherland. They even served in the army (laughter) for one year. Yes, in one year, a soldier will only be able to learn how to wrap foot wraps around his feet. As long as we don’t scare away young people, they are afraid of themselves. He is afraid to serve with the Dagestanis and Chechens. And when this happened in the USSR, everyone served together. This suggests that young people do not have any goal, not all of them have the truth, but the majority do. She's on a high.
    1. +1
      13 August 2013 08: 21
      Quote: NSG42
      In Kuzbass, ZapSib and KMK are barely breathing, but the Yurginsky Machinery Plant, which produced a very large number of weapons, does not exist. And this is only in one area, and that is said only a little.

      Dear fellow countryman, as I believe :) You are right about for our region... ZSMK and KMK are plowing, even the rails... to whom? BB P or Medv were shown recently, somehow I’m already confusing them :). But all this is more dust in the eyes, right. Now in my mind I’m going through all the industry we have - practically nothing really works anymore. I worked at the Yurginsky Machine Plant, and at Anzheromash, and at L-K Krasny Oktyabr. Almost everything is just a shadow of what it was. I can’t remember anyone acting at the same level. KShT folded - but how many fabrics they produced! Chemical fiber is generally just ruins, but I certified it according to ISO back in 2001! Nitrogen - well, it produces, but HOW everything was stolen there in the 90s and even the early 2000s - not just in millions, but in trains! And I don’t even know what kind of guns there were at Yurmash, whether there are such guns in the world now or not...
      The only thing we have, of course, is coal. Yes, Tuleyev and Mazikin are great - they really help, I come across them. again, how much money goes to the owners. It seems that our region was rich - we judged it by the cars. Well, yes, there are a lot of Kryuzers. The “people” have a bunch of Porsche Cayens (for example, the owner of the Chibis store system), as well as Ferrari Cabrios, Lamborghinis (on our roads :)), and “servants of the people”, for example from the prosecutor’s office, drive “anniversary” simple Range Rovers for 5,5 million (in the sense of PPP numbers, 025 for example). It seems rich - an indicator. But. I was in Tunisia - it seems to be a very poor country, but there are more Cayens there! And they ride cruisers like they ride camels :) So we are not far from the Africans :(6))
  80. 0
    13 August 2013 07: 52
    So, as an asymmetrical answer, place about 5 satellites in orbit with warheads from the governor, putting a hefty bolt with a device on the “peaceful space” treaties. Well, of course, do it quietly, without advertising it in any way, so as not to raise a stink
  81. -2
    13 August 2013 13: 46
    I read that everyone has recipes on how to quickly solve the problem. Unfortunately, there are no simple solutions to this problem. One writes that a nuclear missile carrier will lie at the bottom (Nuclear boats do not lie at the bottom) The other is to keep warheads from Satan in space. Damn it, there is no industry to develop the loot, there is no one ass everywhere, and you believe these mu***s from the first channel. Shoigu demanded that by 2020 the number of Kh-555 missiles be increased 30 times. And on the same resource there is an article that now there are already 10 of them, so if Shoigu’s demands are fulfilled, there will be 2020 of them by 300 against 7000 tamahawks. And the first one showed you how the GDP shoots them beautifully from the Tu-160 and the impression is as if there are at least hundreds of them. Don’t deceive yourself, the country is leading to catastrophe and he will transfer power either to the ur****s from the swamp, or to the Nazis, or to some other neo-Bolsheviks
    1. -1
      14 August 2013 07: 57
      I don’t watch TV and I don’t advise you to. And by the way, I don’t really believe in GDP and others like it, because... I remember very well all the terms of his reign and everything connected with it.
      There were projects for placing nuclear weapons in space back in the Cold War, both here and among the Amers. Only agreements banning their deployment in space bound each other.
      As for the transfer of power, out of all those you listed, I would choose the Nazis, but not those who are jumping along with the swamps, but those who are “in disgrace.”
      At least they care about their homeland
  82. 0
    14 August 2013 07: 50
    Then it was necessary to approve the option with the strait...
  83. +1
    14 August 2013 14: 36
    Yes, I know that projects for the deployment of combat nuclear units not only existed, but for some time they say they were implemented. But the man offers a panacea for all ills, as if mattress covers cannot do the same. The point is that in the event of a preemptive strike, a large part of the strategic nuclear forces and the control system will be lost, and these units, whether they are under water, underground, or in space, must be given a command for use. The probability of destroying command posts capable of this is very high.
    Now as for the Nazis, the swamp or the neo-Bolsheviks. For Russia, all these categories are equally dangerous, and it makes me angry that the authorities (it seems) are doing everything to make this happen. I live in the Caucasus and I see the most disastrous situation of the Russian people on which everything here is based; this gives such ground for all sorts of populists that sooner or later it will explode and then (I agree with V. Solovyov) the Chichen militants will seem like just a children's matinee if Russian men take up sawn-off shotguns I myself work in a Federal campaign, it makes my hair stand on end what they have done, if they are now broken to smithereens, they will not do anything with this bureaucratic monster that they themselves created. You can’t do anything sensible, this machine will stop everything.
  84. ilia_narodn
    0
    9 February 2015 14: 32
    In the event of an attack on us, we will hit the United States at one point. Just one - to Yellowstone volcano. Our missiles are already aimed. And ... "goodbye America oh-oh, where I will never be, goodbye forever" ...
    Therefore, we can say with absolute certainty that there will be no direct attack on us, neither conventional nor nuclear. It is foolish to start the "big game" knowing that you will inevitably lose.

    They need to hit thousands of targets, we need one.