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I am a Stalinist

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I am a Stalinist



Almost half of Russians in one degree or another positively assess the role of Stalin in our stories. In an interview with Anatoly Wasserman ILI AZAR (“Lenta.ru”), the mythology of modern Stalinism was embodied with almost exhaustive

- You are in favor of returning the name Stalingrad to Volgograd, and six days a year seem insufficient to you. Why?

- (sighs) Mainly because I really do not like slander. Over the past seven or eight years, I finally became convinced that all the dogs hanged on Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili are strangers. That he is accused of crimes that were not at all or that were committed by other people. And in the crimes with which he himself struggled as much as he could.

Another thing is that his strength and capabilities were extremely limited. I myself worked for a long time as a political consultant and during that time I had a lot of cases to make sure that the capabilities of any leader were small, especially when he wanted to do something that was not liked by his subordinates.
In the activities of Dzhugashvili it was manifested very clearly. For example, there is quite reliable evidence that he with all his forces opposed the Great Terror, that the terror was initiated by the efforts of two groups whose interests coincided. This is, firstly, middle-level party secretaries - regional and republican, and secondly, one of the groupings in the leadership of the People’s Commissariat of Internal Affairs, who believed that the role of the commissariat in determining the country's policy should be greater.

Unfortunately, a significant part of the recording of the plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU on June 1937 was destroyed, so it is difficult to say how things really developed on it. But according to all the indirect data, it is clear that the decision about the Great Terror was pushed by rank-and-file members of the Central Committee, where the majority were regional secretaries, and the Politburo headed by Dzhugashvili strongly resisted.

We often find ourselves in the thrall of a picture painted by Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev, - according to it there was a one-man tyrant who controlled everything and who all obeyed simply out of fear. Whereas the people's commissar of internal affairs, and the secretary of the Central Committee, Nikolai Ivanovich Ezhov, was not even formally subordinate to Dzhugashvili. As a party discipline, he could follow the decisions of the Central Committee, but not the sole decisions of the secretary general.

Moreover, under Khrushchev, an event occurred that completely reversed this picture. I mean 1957 the year when the Politburo decided to send Khrushchev to resign, but two of his supporters - Defense Minister Zhukov and Secretary of the Central Committee Furtsev - urgently organized a plenum of the Central Committee, and he dismissed all the Politbureau except Khrushchev. This is a very real balance of power. When the Plenum took up some position, the Politburo could no longer resist it. I can talk for a long time, but it would be safer to name two books where the then picture is objectively expounded: “Khrushchev. The creators of terror ”Elena Anatolyevna Prudnikova and“ Ina Stalin ”by Yury Nikolaevich Zhukov.

So, I do not see any valid reasons for renaming Stalingrad to Volgograd and I consider it necessary to return the name taken away unreasonably.

- This is a rather unorthodox look at Stalin. Do you think so long?

“Back in 2004 — 2005, I was piously convinced that the bloody tyrant Stalin simply did not manage to kill the whole country by a miracle, I unconditionally believed in Nikita’s grandfather’s tales. Fortunately, I have since become familiar with a variety of materials from a variety of studies, both for and against, compared them and made sure that Khrushchev was composing stories about a bloody tyrant, standing in front of a mirror. That is, he attributed Dzhugashvili all his own shortcomings. It was Dzhugashvili who actively and in various ways tried to resist the Great Terror. It was he who, through the January-February Plenum of 1938, pressed through a ruling by which the party organization did not have the right to immediately exclude arrested persons from its ranks, and was obliged to monitor the entire course of the investigation. It was he who, with a series of personnel manipulations, replaced Yezhov with Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria, who, thanks to the previous experience of the KGB work, did not fall into the traps that Yezhov had placed in his time, his closest subordinates, and managed to stop the meat grinder of terror.

- That is, this Beria stopped the terror?

- It is Beria. 17 November 1938 of the year he became the people's commissioner and immediately gave a series of orders that stopped the terror. Moreover, since by that time he had been the deputy commissar deputy for several months and was oriented in the internal kitchen, he achieved that the subordinates could not commit a coup. Then all the blood shed by Ezhov was piled on Beria, but in reality he carried out only the Great Purge. In 1939 — 40-s, most of the crimes of the Great Terror were investigated and most of the perpetrators incurred deserved punishment. True, not all: for example, Khrushchev, on which blood to the holes in the nose, survived.

Khrushchev beautifully out of responsibility. At the end of 1937, he offered to inspect the state of affairs in Ukraine, headed the inspection commission, and she naturally came to the conclusion that things were going badly. The entire leadership of Ukraine was withdrawn, many were later arrested, and the commission occupied the vacant posts almost at full strength. Khrushchev became the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine, and thus, when they analyzed what was going on in Moscow during the Great Terror, he stood aside. And in Ukraine, he very competently played the executive fool. Since they are always needed, he was scolded and not seriously punished.

- What about the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee, the case of doctors?


- The Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee is most likely a case organized with the direct participation of Dzhugashvili. Although it is impossible to exclude the excesses of the executor, when the matter was brought to a greater punishment than the one that was originally expected. There is a problem in international relations. The Soviet Union was the main organizer of the creation of the State of Israel and its victories in the war of independence. After this victory, Israel was forced to reorient to the United States of America, as it was in dire need of funds for the resettlement of immigrants and the restoration of what had been destroyed during the war. The USSR — itself devastated by the war — could not help, and the MUH, since the Cold War was already under way, in exchange for their help, demanded that Israel sharply turn its back on the Soviet Union. In politics, this is not forgiven to anyone. I don’t know whose idea, to put it mildly, is not a very bright head, came up with the idea to study the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee in the hope that, at least for fear of the fate of its relatives, Israel will reconsider this position. And then - the horse dose of stubbornness on both sides.

With the case of doctors all smarter. First, most of the defendants in this case are completely Russian. Secondly, apparently, the initial impetus for the case was the fact that a high-ranking doctor — not having a regular mass practice — has significantly greater chances of being mistaken than a private doctor who constantly works with many patients. Actually, the whole thing began with disagreements in the diagnosis of a member of the Politburo Zhdanov. When the investigation began, first of all, a couple of investigators, including the sensational Ryumin later, tried to get rid of this case as soon as they realized that the case was an appraisal case: there is no reliable evidence, but they have to rely only on conflicting expert opinions. Ryumin was later announced the main organizer of this case, but, as far as I understand, he was just trying to get out of it. Then someone started building anti-Semitic rumors around this case, despite the fact that the majority of the defendants in this case are perfectly flawless Russians. There were very few Jews there, but it was easier to make a fuss around this business, having laid emphasis on them. Anyone who is not involved in this case is Dzhugashvili because it was not possible for a person of rather serious age - and suffering from a fair bunch of diseases - to voluntarily order to arrest his attending physician without bothering to replace him.

“And the killings of Kirov and Meyerhold?”

- And why, one wonders, did Dzhugashvili kill Kostrikov (Kirov), who supported him in all internal feuds without exception? They were friends of houses from time immemorial, Kostrikov worked for many years in Transcaucasia, which Dzhugashvili, even when he moved to Moscow, was taken very close to his heart. Kostrikov often stayed at Dzhugashvili’s house. But this is not the case: when political interests compel one can forget about personal friendship. But there were no political interests to divorce them. Dzhugashvili had no sense in killing him.

As for Mayergold, the cat’s tears are molded to the cat. Karl Emilevich Mayergold, the Ostsee German, in the pre-revolutionary years, was renamed Vsevolod Emilevich Meyerhold and began to pretend to be a Jew, because the attitude towards the Germans was rather tense, and the intelligentsia considered the Jews to be an absolutely persecuted people. So, Mayergold wrote so much denunciations to his colleagues that sooner or later someone had to write a denunciation to him. It is not known who wrote, since the criminal cases of all those rehabilitated under Khrushchev were simply destroyed. There was only a certificate of rehabilitation. Therefore, it is absolutely impossible to say who accused him of what.

I can give a generalized statistics. From 17 November 1938 to 22 June 1941, less than half of the convictions under the political articles issued during the Great Terror were revised. Of the 2,5 million, 100 000 (of 700) had time to revise the death sentences - those that did not have time to carry out - and about 1 a million non-death sentences. Of these, between 200 and 300, 000 - I don’t remember exactly, I read it long ago - were generally found to be unfounded, and those sentenced were fully rehabilitated, returned to their previous posts if possible. Even from 200 to 300, 000 sentences were re-qualified from political to purely criminal ones.

Why? The then Criminal Code was written in the 1922 year, edited in the 1926 year. At that time, they still quite sincerely believed that all crimes were committed due to some external circumstances - it means that circumstances need to be changed in order for a person to stop being a criminal, and it is ridiculous to punish a person for what he did under pressure. Therefore, for example, the maximum term for rape was five years. What should the investigator do if he sees that there is some kind of outright bastard sitting in front of him who in five years will not return to normal? He sees that a Komsomol member is raped and writes “an attempt on an activist of a public organization” - and this is treason against the Motherland, and you can give up to ten years. So, Beria ordered from all such sentences to remove the political component, leaving a pure criminal act, and continue not to arouse it under the policy. But since 1946, right after he left the post of People’s Commissar of the Interior, this practice has resumed, since the code has remained the same. Only with 1 in January of 1961, when the new Criminal Code came into force, did this push-up stop.

“You said that Stalin had no reason to kill Kirov.” So after all he was accused of unreasonable atrocities. And you whitewash him completely.

- As far as I can judge from all the world experience, people with murder delusions do not stay up in leading positions for a dozen years. And Dzhugashvili from 5 in May 1941 was the chairman of the Council of People's Commissars, that is, he had the highest executive power in the country. I suspect that if his colleagues had reason to fear him, they would have found a way not to miss him in this place. In fact, he was dragged in for several years in a row. Back in 1930, Scriabin (Molotov) after Rykov’s resignation from the post of chairman of the Council of People's Commissars proposed Dzhugashvili for this post, but he flatly refused, and Scriabin himself had to sit in that chair for 11 years, constantly reminding Dzhugashvili that this was his place. Dzhugashvili went for it just before the war, when it became clear that the management chain from the analytical center, such as Dzhugashvili, had to be shortened to direct executors. For all his remarkable merits, Scriabin was not an analyst, but a strictly practitioner. Dzhugashvili differed precisely analytical abilities, for which the same Khrushchev declared him incapable of any analysis.

- That is, there is not a single death on Stalin's conscience?

- No, some death, of course, on his conscience. I think that if I were offered to judge those people whose fate was decided with the direct participation of Dzhugashvili, I would have decided the same way. For example, Postyshev, whom Khrushchev was the first to declare an innocent victim of bloody repressions, managed to be noted in Ukraine during the period of the famous Holodomor. The famine was then all over the grain-growing Russia, but it was in Ukraine that the local authorities thought of hiding the famine from the central leadership and as a result brought the matter to a natural disaster.

- That is, here Stalin had nothing to do with it?

- Well no. Here several unpleasant factors overlapped each other.

First, a drought, and a huge one, which struck not only our country. The same Galicians shout a lot about the Holodomor, although Galicia was then part of Poland. But the drought does not dismantle the boundaries, and she got most of Poland.

Secondly, the transition to collective methods of cultivation. Not all the leaders of the new collective farms could organize the work of the team — and there were plenty of people willing to take a ride on someone else’s hump and only pretend to work.

Elena Prudnikova in the magazine “Expert” published a series of articles where she analyzed the real state of agriculture in that period. It remains surprising that the number of victims was only 3 million. True, according to official data, the victims were 7 million, including 3 million in Ukraine, but this is the result of a statistical bias.

Simultaneously with collectivization, industrialization was going on, since the first was needed in order to introduce more efficient economic technologies and to use as much as possible the agricultural machinery that would be created in the new plants. In general, it worked, because after such a famine there was no longer a country, although before that the famine was very noticeable every four years.

In Ukraine, the demographic decline in population, that is, the difference between what was actually and what could have happened if there were no shocks, is three million, but of these, the excess mortality is only a million, and the other two are people, gone to work in new industrial regions. In new places, they indicated the nationality of "Russian", because only a fanatical separatist could have thought of calling themselves the contemptuous Polish nickname "Ukrainian." In our vocabulary this corresponds to the word "provincial". Only after the introduction of passports with the “nationality” column did the accounting system emerge from the words of the most accountable. Therefore, it turns out a huge decline in the population of Ukraine, but only an insignificant part (not more than a third) is associated with hunger. If we sum up the demographic loss data of all regions hit by hunger, 7 million are typed, but if we take the statistics for the country as a whole, then the demographic decline is 3 million, and everything else is such a migration.

- But you talked about Postyshev.

“He was one of those who led Ukraine at that time — and whose organizational shoals led to the fact that hunger in Ukraine was more acute than in other regions. In the “Raised virgin soil” the mass slaughter of working cattle in the Kuban is mentioned, because everyone hoped that they would eat their ox and work on the collective farm. And the collective farm has no other property, except that the members of the collective farm contributed to it. In central Russia, where mass slaughter was already experienced in 1921, they knew that it turned out to be a disastrous famine, since there was nothing to plow on. They took harsh measures there, threatened them with criminal penalties, and stopped the case, so after a drought, they were able to plant. And in Ukraine, the leadership did not notice it in time.
Not to mention that Postyshev was one of the main organizers of the introduction of the very concept of "Ukrainian", and for this, in my opinion, he already deserved the death penalty - as the organizer of separatism.

By the way, another small but amusing detail: according to the number of people executed per capita, the regions headed by Khrushchev, Postyshev and Eyhe were in the first places in the Great Terror. Postyshev and Eiche were shot in 1939 year, and Khrushchev was the first to rehabilitate them and called the innocent victims of the bloody tyrant Stalin. So, sorry, who is the bloody tyrant here?

In general, unfortunately, it was only in the last decades that the then picture began to be revealed in all its details - huge archival funds were involved in the mass scientific circulation. It is important that they are huge, since it is easy to fake two or three documents. The entire famous Katyn special folder consists exclusively of fakes, and this has been proven long ago. Genuine there except a cardboard cover.

- That is, the Poles are not the NKVD shot?

- Of course. Moreover, the Germans themselves disclosed material evidence of their guilt in 1943, but then did not attach any significance to this. Modern researchers have looked closely at German documents and photographs of the 43 year and were convinced that they contain undisputed evidence of German guilt.

So, you cannot fake a large array of documents, as documents are interconnected. For example, 10 — 12 years ago, an article was published in Lechaim magazine that there was no plan for the deportation of Soviet Jews in 1953 in the year. In general, it is quite difficult to prove the non-existence of something, hence the presumption of innocence. Interestingly, evidence was found in the archives of the Ministry of Railways. It was found that traces of each deportation of the Soviet peoples remained.

By the way, there were a lot of them. For example, back in 1936, all Koreans were evicted from the Far East to Central Asia, because then the KGB could not distinguish them from the Japanese, and relations with Tokyo deteriorated sharply when Japan began the conquest of China, and we were afraid that the Japanese would send their agents under the guise of Koreans.

Since deportation is not a punishment, but resettlement for technical reasons, we prepared it very carefully. It was necessary not only to pre-order the rolling stock, adapted for mass transportation of people with a large household goods. It was necessary to bring additional food to the stations, to deploy a medical service. It was necessary to reschedule the transportation schedules to ensure the passage of additional levels. All deportations were left in the archives of the Ministry of Railways, and not only was there no evidence of the deportation plans of the Jews (one could say that all the documents were eaten by the bloody gebnya), but an enormous number of documents about current planning and current work remained, and they were in different archives are mutually consistent.

In addition, many memoirs were published, which were not published, including because they went against the current political line. The famous artillery designer Vasily Gavrilovich Grabin describes in detail the meeting with Dzhugashvili, at which he attended. From this description it is completely obvious: Grabin dealt with a first-class leader and manager from God, who simply had no reason to deal with massacres. He, on the contrary, squeezed everything out of people precisely by the will and precisely by managerial means, and not by surgical ones.

- You said that deportations are not punishment. Deportations of the Caucasian peoples, too?


- Looks like no. For a long time I myself believed that it was a punishment smeared evenly. For what the Crimean Tatars or Vainakhs managed to do during the war, according to the laws of wartime, almost every man of childbearing age should be shot or - under mitigating circumstances - imprisonment for 20 — 25. Since this would mean the total annihilation of all the people already in the next generation, they simply smeared this punishment evenly around the whole people, and it turned out that they would be expelled.

But a book by Oleg Kozinkin was recently published, where he investigated the question: which peoples were deported and which were not. For deportation from the same North Caucasus, it was not enough to be guilty, but it was also necessary that the leadership of the relevant region could not guarantee the safety of cargo transportation. That is, the Vainakhs were located near one of the key deposits at that time, the Kalmyks were near the main routes of export of Baku oil to the center of the country, and they were deported. But other nations, which gave about the same number of defectors and collaborators, did not touch, because the leadership of these peoples proved that they could take the situation under control and prevent sabotage.

- So this was a humane idea?

- Yes, since any other options that were more in line with the written law would have resulted in a significantly higher number of victims.

- Maybe even now it is worth solving the problem of the Caucasus?

- No, now the problem of the Caucasus cannot be solved this way. Now, our external enemy, fortunately, is not on the territory of our country, and we can afford a less fast-acting tool. In particular, deal with the same Vainakhs, combining local whip and federal gingerbread. Chechnya was headed by one of the former militants, who knows well how they act, and while he successfully fights with them, Chechnya receives quite substantial subsidies. There are not so many direct subsidies from the federal budget, contrary to legends, but the fact that the share of tax revenues remaining in Chechnya, the largest in the country, is much more serious help than external subsidies.

But if it came to open confrontation, then we would have to consider the issue of deportation seriously.

- So already two times there was an open confrontation.

- No, I mean open confrontation not with Vainakhs. At the same time, we also fought against the external enemy, who used the Vainakhs as his weapon.

- So the militants are financed by Arab countries.


- Yes, but so far it has not reached an open war with an external enemy, it is possible to limit the supply of militants, and therefore there is no need to resort to acute measures. If such a need arises, it is not from the fact that the evil Putin gored the good Medvedev, but from objective reasons with which both Putin and Medvedev are equally considered.

- Who is the external enemy?

- (sighs) The United States of America has long been the only export product left - instability. I proved it with elementary economic arithmetic. So, as long as they do not risk introducing instability into our territory directly on the wings of the B-52 and the "tomahawks", because they know that they will get the change in the same coin. So for now, we can allow ourselves to be kind.

- How old is there?

- Hard to say. The fact is that there are several opposing processes in the United States themselves. For them, the ideal option would be out of the WTO, closing the borders for imports and restoring its own production. But such a move is very beneficial to manufacturers, but disadvantageous to merchants. I have said and written many times: a very long time there has been a clear confrontation between production workers and traders. Although these things seem to be interconnected, but, roughly speaking, the merchants do not care what to sell - domestic products or imported ones, and therefore the opposition is objective. Accordingly, in the same United States of America, starting with the assassination of John Fitzgerald Josephovich Kennedy, the producers are traditionally grouped around Republicans, and traders around the Democratic Party. In my small homeland, Ukraine, production workers are grouped around the Party of Regions, and traders have chosen the party of the red part of the political spectrum. In Russia, production workers group around Putin, and traders around Medvedev, and, as far as I can tell, completely independent of the will of Putin and Medvedev themselves, they simply turned out to be the most convenient crystallization centers.

- So how many deaths on Stalin? Ten thousand or how much?

- On his conscience the death of about a thousand people whom he knew personally and with whom he worked. But here, not everything is clear. For example, Marshal Egorov, with whom Dzhugashvili was on the South-Western Front during the Polish 1920 campaign of the year, was included in the list of persons suspected of crimes involving the death penalty (the so-called first category) three times. Twice Dzhugashvili himself deleted him from this list. It is not known what arguments he gave for the third time: during rehabilitation, the case was destroyed.

There is a sin after the knowledge, when we evaluate events based on what we know now, and do not think at all about what these events were like for people who lived then and knew only what was available at that time. So, proceeding from the post-knowledge, they are trying every now and then in various variants of alternative history to replay the beginning of the Great Patriotic War. But still, even among the most avid alternatives, the war first develops extremely unfavorably for our country. With the most successful hands, it is possible to win not in four years, but in three.

- And the fact that the war began to fail for the USSR, Stalin is also not to blame? He's a commanding staff cut out.

- From June 1937 to June 1941, about 37 — 38 000 people of middle and senior commanders dropped out of the ranks of the Armed Forces of the USSR. Of these, for reasons related to political distrust, approximately 9000 people. Of these 9000 people, 5000 people were subsequently arrested and convicted. The rest dropped out of the ranks of the Armed Forces due to illness, death, attaining the maximum age, and most of all for drinking, party and dancing with fights. Of the total number of retired people, about half were subsequently returned to the Armed Forces, including 5000 people who were dismissed due to political distrust, and 2000 were convicted under the “treason” clause. This is not like a massacre.

The reasons for military failures in another. For the same four years, the USSR Armed Forces have grown fivefold. The existing higher military institutions simply did not have time to train commanders. In addition, in order to become a commander, you need to stay at least two or three years ago at the previous post, and it is important not to skip steps. Because if you command a regiment, you must set the battalion's combat missions, but for this you need to know its capabilities.

Army General Pavlov, who commanded the Western Front at the beginning of the war, is often accused of treason. There are some reasons for that - it hurts strangely that he behaved in the last pre-war days. But one of the most serious charges against Pavlov is the loss of command and control. This is indeed an absolutely unforgivable sin for the commander, and it deserves the death penalty. With the start of hostilities, he began to rush along the divisions of his front, trying to give immediate tasks to each of them. While he was in one division, others did not know what to do.

Why is that? Because Pavlov actually commanded no more than a division, then he went through several steps of a military career as chief of the Main Armored Directorate and, accordingly, did not have a division command skills. Therefore, he did not know what to demand from the army.

At the beginning of the war, we were experiencing growth sickness at its peak. When the lieutenant aviation in a couple of years he turns out to be a lieutenant general and leads the USSR Air Force — and this is exactly what happened with Rychagov — it is clear that he will make one managerial failure after another.

By the way, about Rychagov. At the next meeting, Dzhugashvili talked about a huge number of accidents. Literally every day at least one military plane crashed. Levers said: "You are forcing us to fly on the coffins." Dzhugashvili sharply accelerated his usual passages around the office, changed his face and said: “You shouldn't have said so” - that is, not only with an unusually strong Georgian accent, but also with an error in constructing the phrase. Again, walked back and forth and dismissed the meeting.

Usually, immediately after this, in the stories about Rychagov they say that he was arrested and shot in October 1941. So at the same time they miss that the meeting was held in January, and he was arrested on June 24. According to the results of the meeting, he was removed from his post as Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force and sent to the Frunze Academy to complete his studies on what he did not have time to learn in practice. It was the Air Force commander who was responsible for accepting aircraft at the factories, and if he stated that he was being forced to fly on coffins, then this means that he tried to transfer responsibility for Dzhugashvili for not fulfilling his official duties. I suspect that any of the subsequent Soviet leaders would not be limited to sending Rychagov to study. He was arrested after two days of war became obvious complete failure of aviation.

- That is, Stalin - a brilliant commander in chief?

- Not brilliant, but very talented. He became commander-in-chief when a serious failure was revealed with the then people's commissar of defense, Marshal Tymoshenko. Initially, the role of Dzhugashvili was only to listen to the opinion of several military experts - Tymoshenko, the Chief of the General Staff Shaposhnikov and several other people, compare their decisions and estimate which ones are correct. He began to make independent strategic decisions only in 1942.

At first, these were quite obvious solutions, such as the need to press under Rzhev, even though Rzhev himself did not decide anything. The point there was simply in the configuration of the road network of that time: it determined that the side that lost ground in the center immediately got in trouble on the flanks of the front line.

The unobvious strategic decision dates back to 1944. "Ten Stalinist strikes", when the sequence of strikes was chosen such that the Germans constantly tried to transfer troops from one sector of the front to another and were constantly delayed. This is the highest strategic pilotage. And this was his first decision, which certainly deserves the highest praise.

Prior to that, he made decisions obviously necessary, but such that no one else could take responsibility for them. Who, besides him, could take responsibility for dismantling the already launched Baikal-Amur Mainline and moving the sleepers to the left bank of the Volga, in order to unexpectedly for the Germans to build a railway there and ensure the accumulation of troops for the famous Stalingrad counter-offensive?

- But what about the accusations of excessive casualties of the Soviet army during the war?

“If we count the results of the entire war, then even according to the most advantageous estimates for our enemy, for every three enemy soldiers there were four dead Soviet soldiers. This is quite a decent level of losses.

Such a situation was formed because in the beginning we were losing far more than they were, but at the end of the war they were losing more. The causes of losses are objective. Just look at Poland. Until the mid-1930s, it was militarily stronger than Germany. The Poles even planned offensive operations against East Prussia from the beginning of the war. On September 1, hostilities began there; on September 17, the government was evacuated from Poland. For nine months, a strange war continued with France, which had almost the same number of armed forces as Germany, and covered with a huge fortification line - the Maginot Line. France had more tanks, and her tanks were more powerful than the German. And her army was generally considered the strongest in Europe. On May 10, 1940, Germany went on the offensive; on June 22, France surrendered. Against the backdrop of these events, it is somehow difficult to blame Dzhugashvili.

- You consider him the most powerful leader of the 20th century and one of the most powerful leaders in the whole history of Russia.

- Yes exactly. Because I see what he did and what others did.

- And among the Russian leaders, who else is comparable with him?

- Catherine the Great, absolutely no doubt, Peter the Great, with some reservations, since he, unlike Dzhugashvili, did not spare people. Perhaps, Alexander III the Peacemaker, but this is debatable. Under him, serious industrialization began, but unlike Dzhugashvili, he did not control the direction of industrialization. It is known that half a century before the First World War, Russia showed the best development rates in the world in terms of formal indicators. But let's see the share in world production of the three most rapidly developing countries: the United States of America, the German Empire and the Russian Empire. We take as a starting point 1874 year - for 40 years before the start of the war. Although the pace of development was better in Russia, but at the same time, its share in world production over the years lagged behind the shares of Germany and the United States of America. We ran ahead of everyone and still lagged behind, because we not only developed the economy for foreign investment, but also created conditions for the most favorable conditions for investors. The French have invested very large funds in the Russian railways, but they developed mainly roads running in the latitudinal direction - from central Russia to the western border. The French were interested in the fact that in the event of the outbreak of hostilities to speed up the mobilization of the Russian army. As a result, already in Soviet times, it was necessary to develop railways of the meridian direction. We had to finish them.

- And Putin?

“For the time being, I basically see that Putin is gradually overcoming in himself the same errors that I had overcome in myself seven or eight years ago.” I hope that he will continue on this path and become the leader of the highest level.

- Liberal misconceptions?

- Not only. The concepts of liberal in our country, unfortunately, are interpreted rather vaguely. But unlike Medvedev, he never said anything like a recognition of Soviet guilt at Katyn. Unlike Medvedev, Putin has never said that it is necessary to privatize everything immediately. In my opinion, he is gradually retreating from the fiery liberalism and libertarianism, which he was infected with in the St. Petersburg mayor's office under Anatoly Alexandrovich Sobchak. He is more difficult to do this way, because he has less time for distracted thoughts. But it is moving in the right direction.

- In the direction of state socialism, which you now profess?

- Yes. Recent research with my participation has revealed that by the 2020 year conditions in the field of information technologies will mature, making socialism in all respects more profitable than capitalism. Moreover, it is already clear that, in principle, it is possible to make a new transition from capitalism to socialism in the unstressed mode, that is, so that no one is hurt and everyone gets more than he lost. But so far it is known only at the level of the theorem of existence, that is, it is not yet clear exactly how to do this. Some features of the transition route have yet to be explored, but I hope that we will have time to complete these studies long before 2020.
In our country, socialism is traditionally associated with a deficit and with a gulag. So, the deficit really was - due to the limited information technologies - and, accordingly, in the new socialism it will be overcome. But associating socialism with the gulag is at least illegal, and we need to get rid of this false association long before 2020, so that we will meet the immense expansion of human capabilities with joy, not with fright.

- GULAG what - was not there too?

- So it is now, but it is called GUIN. And there are many more people per capita in it than in the GULAG. And in the United States of America has its own prisons. In addition, in the 1930-s there were camps of public works - in terms of content worse than our GULAG. There are always places of imprisonment and, I am afraid, there will always be.

But socialism as a whole did not depend on the presence of the Gulag. The myth started by the Americans is very popular among us that Soviet goods are cheaper because they used forced labor in the USSR. Given the content of protection, given the inevitably low productivity of forced labor, it is unprofitable. In the USSR, they knew this - and used the slightest opportunity to disperse more people into their homes. Even those convicted of collaborating with the Germans during the war reduced their sentences several times in order to quickly throw them out on loose bread. The myth came from the fact that the best way to make money on the market is to nationalize losses and privatize profits. In the United States of America, the practice of transferring prisoners to work in private firms is very common. Responsibilities for the maintenance and protection of the state bears, and the company receives a net profit. In total, and the prisoner's labor is less profitable there, but since the losses go to the state, the company can reduce the price. Here they transferred their idea to us.

- From the denial of the Gulag close to the denial of the Holocaust.

- I, as you understand, the person interested. I have no doubt that the Germans really destroyed something between 5 and 6 for millions of Jews in Europe. Although at first the Germans considered the final decision to evict all Jews somewhere far away from Europe and in the 1940 year they even planned to evict Jews to Madagascar. But there is evidence that the British opposed this plan. Only after first Estonian and then Latvian Nazis reported that all Jews in the territory entrusted to them were physically destroyed, the Germans thought about such a solution and in 1942 they made a decision: since there are no other options, then you can get rid of the Jews by physical destruction. I note that in Kiev’s Babi Yar Jews were shot not so much by Germans as by local policemen.

I do not deny the fact that the National Socialists hate the Jews that they exterminated the Jews regularly and regularly, but there are many interesting details even in this fact that show that they had many accomplices.

As for the Gulag, if we proceed from Beria's rehabilitation, we can assume that there were from 1 million to 2 million that did not deserve such a fate, but in general, the Gulag under socialism is not inevitable and, moreover, socialism is absolutely not interested in the Gulag.

- And by 2020, should Putin turn Russia into the realm of state socialism?

- No, it's not about Putin and not in Russia. The transition to socialism will be beneficial all over the world at the same time. By 2020, the total computing power of the entire global computer park will be sufficient so that you can calculate a complete, accurate optimal plan for the entire world production in less than a day.

- And now?

- Now it will take about a thousand years. That is, it is a global transition. Another thing is that a country that begins to prepare in advance will be able to make the transition in more comfortable conditions. Therefore, I hope that our training will begin long before 2020.

- Last year was the rise of the liberal opposition. Not afraid that they can prevent the transition?

- Last year's rise of the liberal opposition prevented only the most liberal opposition. She quickly showed how her is small and how she is empty. She could not put forward an alternative program. Do not consider Kasparov's words that the current government wants to steal and kill and not give the opposition this right as an alternative program. I don’t think that Kasparov really believes that the right to steal and kill should be given to him, I think that he made a reservation, but no one from the opposition anyway suggested anything better. So I think that as the ideological and financial support stops, this movement will come to naught. Ideological support comes from abroad from lovely organizations like the Cato Institute. Material support will also run out: the Bilalov and Magomedov brothers start to get into a lot of trouble, which means that the Silver Rain radio station and the Dozhd TV channel may soon reduce their staff’s salaries.

- Do you consider Navalny and other oppositionists enemies of the country?

- Of course, they are not enemies of the country, but the question is what they consider to be their country and what kind of future they want for it. A person who believes that Russia will be better as a supplier to the West of cheap oil, cheap labor and cheap parts for people can quite sincerely believe that this is good. But I do not consider myself obliged to share this opinion. It is not about hostility as such, but only about what a person sincerely considers useful for a country that, in the opinion of the overwhelming majority of citizens, is deadly for this overwhelming majority.

- You use the word "execute" quite easily ...

- Almost until the Great Patriotic War in the Soviet law the term "capital punishment" was not, was the highest measure of social protection - the death penalty or expulsion from the USSR without the right of return. This is, in general, logical. Society simply defended itself against people who were dangerous to it. And he did not care: send a man abroad or to the next world. If only no more mischief.

The only problem is that after 2020, due to general socialism, there will no longer be a place where such people could be exiled without harming society. Accordingly, it is necessary either to execute such people, or to look for means of re-education. I hope that they will find quickly enough.

- Will Liberals be executed?

- Those who, on the basis of their liberalism, perform an act harmful to others.

- Mass rallies - it is harmful action?

- No, this action is sometimes stupid, but not harmful. But, for example, the fragmentation of the unified energy system of Russia is an objectively harmful action. Although I once supported him and even led him news a tape on a reform-related website, but when in a little over a year of such work I figured out a little about energy issues, I doubted the need for such a transformation. And then, based on the results of our entire management, I was convinced that planting the so-called economics instead of political economy is an objectively harmful action: a person trained in this way cannot perceive the entire economy as a whole and therefore is doomed to make decisions at his post with a high degree of probability although useful in a local place, but harmful to the economy as a whole. Therefore, the entire staff of the Higher School of Economics - with the exception of teachers of mathematics or foreign languages ​​- will have to be transferred to work not related to education and upbringing.

- Well, at least not to execute.

- Executed for actions that really take someone's life more or less directly. And here it is enough to apply a measure of social protection.
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  1. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 12 August 2013 08: 16
    18
    "- Will Liberals be executed?

    - Those who, on the basis of their liberalism, perform an act harmful to others.

    ! - "OH HOW DO YOU LIKE, STATE? DUMA? - Wake up, eh! request
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 09: 32
      28 th
      I, as an anti-communist, greatly respect Uncle Joe for cutting and turning the Russophobes of the Communists into camp dust. and as much as he sawed, and theorists and practitioners with bloodied hands. no one else could
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 10: 40
        -7
        By the way, back in the 90s, I was amazed by the fact that, spitting on the 37th year, our "liberal community" kept silent about the Russian Genocide that began in the 17th year, until it "drew upon" me that they could not bark as well as at Mr. .I IVS on my ancestors
      2. yurii p
        yurii p 12 August 2013 11: 01
        15
        But does Yeltsin have less bloody hands? Or the same America or Europe, examples of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria do not have enough for you, Yeltsin’s Chechnya put few people? You need to look at everything objectively, and not with shut eyes, which the author of the article and teaches. I respect people who can say that they were mistaken in a particular situation.
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 11: 04
          13 th
          pi ebony 5 million people died from catastrophic malnutrition? in the Volga region ???? it ebeen for the first time in the world canceled an article for pederasty ??? not the communists ???? from rsdrpb?
          and Chechnya ???? you ask how the Chechens and Ingush under the red banners slaughtered children, the elderly, women in the Kuban, google about the Pyatikorsky massacre, and where does the communist ebeen ??? they are all in one ointment
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 12 August 2013 12: 12
            13
            Under EBN, a million Russians died every year. I speak as anti-capitalist. A donor pedro is simply necessary.
            1. Yoshkin Kot
              Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 12: 15
              -9
              then they stopped giving birth even with the union
              1. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 12 August 2013 14: 42
                +3
                Since July, growth has begun, so don't expect it.
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 12 August 2013 15: 17
                +3
                Do not whistle, the last baby boom just at the end of 80's came.
                1. Yoshkin Kot
                  Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 01
                  -9
                  baby, you better take the statistics of children in families before the revolution and after, when the women were driven to work and destroyed the Christian marriage and allowed infanticide
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 12 August 2013 16: 39
                    0
                    So you, this, do not be shy, give statistics, and we'll see.
                    1. Yoshkin Kot
                      Yoshkin Kot 27 September 2013 08: 24
                      0
                      on google, the number of abortions in the USSR, or Mendeleev’s forecasts about the population of the Republic of Ingushetia
                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 16: 59
                    +1
                    Quote: Yoshkin Cat
                    baby

                    you yourself would read the statistics, grandfather
                  3. yak69
                    yak69 12 August 2013 21: 15
                    +3
                    Judging by your (Yoshkin Kot) incorrect, stupid comments and behavior, we can conclude .......................
                    Life has really offended you. And now you are trying to somehow compensate yourself with your negativity. This is silly.
                    Better do business, read smart books, tighten your letter. Go to the museum or something. And keep quiet and listen to others. It will benefit you, I assure you. Give it a try.
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 13 August 2013 00: 59
                      +1
                      Yes, everything is fine with him. Just a person fulfills a salary.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 16: 30
            +2
            Quote: Yoshkin Cat
            pi ebony 5 million people died from catastrophic malnutrition?

            I sincerely hate EBN, but when you quote these numbers, refer to the source
      3. Uncle
        Uncle 12 August 2013 12: 16
        -1
        Quote: Yoshkin Cat
        he sawed and turned into camp dust the Russophobes of the Communists

        Your point of view coincides with the point of view of the Church, whether it pleases you or not, but apparently by God's providence, Stalin destroyed the Leninist Party.
        1. radio operator
          radio operator 12 August 2013 14: 45
          0
          Quote: Uncle
          Your point of view coincides with the point of view of the Church, whether it pleases you or not, but apparently by God's providence, Stalin destroyed the Leninist Party.

          Dogs canine death.
          However, even now we are full of liberals and at the highest level.
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 12 August 2013 17: 29
            0
            Quote: radio operator
            now we are full of liberals

            Cool photo, to say the least.
      4. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 02
        -7
        hee hee hee nothing to argue ?? it remains to finely shit in slippers laughing
    2. Mitek
      Mitek 12 August 2013 09: 34
      24
      Quote: Valery Neon
      "- Will Liberals be executed?

      - Those who, on the basis of their liberalism, perform an act harmful to others.

      ! - "OH HOW DO YOU LIKE, STATE? DUMA? - Wake up, eh! request

      Yes, all who have a head on their shoulders, looking at the current orgy, become Stalinists ..
      1. Blackscorp
        Blackscorp 12 August 2013 11: 29
        +7
        Quote: Mitek
        Yes, all who have a head on their shoulders, looking at the current orgy, become Stalinists ..


        I agree, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that ... I also consider Stalin one of the greatest figures not only in Russian, but also in world history, although I could say the opposite, since my great-grandfathers on both lines were dispossessed ... but I I do not identify the activities of the IVS only with this, but look at it much more broadly ... there would be no collectivization, there would be no industrialization and all that we now have ... Historically, he is right! Moreover, one should not forget that, as now and then, there were people in the field who did not always correctly understand and carry out what was required of them ... And indeed, many of his actions were the only true ones ... And people, and you’re right, you’re really tired of all this mess that is happening now and they just want an elementary order and equality of all before the laws ... For GDP, this is the only way and, as it seems to me, it follows it, even if not as fast as we would like (it’s necessary consider powerful resistance) ...
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 12: 52
          10 th
          there wouldn’t be robberies, under the policy of war communism, I wouldn’t have to compare industry with the 13th year, a 6/7 loss is a merit of the Reds
          1. Border k
            Border k 13 August 2013 08: 26
            +3
            Do not you think that you ... against the wind. No, well, yes of course this does not mean that your vision of history has a place to be, but still there is an opinion, albeit not an ABSOLUTE, but still the majority
    3. yak69
      yak69 12 August 2013 09: 52
      11
      If such articles appeared in the central media, then there would be much less fooled people.
      Lies, these are the worst weapons of the liberals. They act completely according to Goebbels - the lie must be huge! BUT citizens should think at least a little bit on their own !!!
      How much can you mindlessly consume this informational slop about the evil Stalin and the kind "liberal liberators"? All our troubles are from unwillingness to think independently, from laziness to take a book and read, think, and not watch a zombie box with serials.
      When every citizen of our country begins to think independently and independently take responsibility for his life and the life of his country in full, then we will begin to live a better life.
      Until then - "Boris, our tsar! Putin, our tsar! Dimon, our tsar!" etc.
      A KING, HE IS IN THE HEAD! IN OWN, not in someone else’s.

      So we live, "without a king in the head."
    4. Very old
      Very old 12 August 2013 10: 13
      +7
      Anecdote from the times of perestroika. A spanked man asks Stalin for advice on restoring order in the country: what to do? Iosif Vissarionovich: "Shoot the entire State Duma. Second: destroy the Bolshoi Theater." Gorbachev: What is the fault of the theater? Stalin: "I am deeply satisfied that on the first question we have no disagreements!"
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 11: 56
        -8
        n-dya, kiddie during the "perestroika" there were advice, to school !!!!
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 13: 24
          -4
          It’s clear that ignoramuses throw slippers laughing
        2. Very old
          Very old 12 August 2013 18: 21
          0
          Dmitry, I write in Russian correctly and without errors. Only I.V.S. pronounced: perviy, vapros, dagavari ... I do not put cons to anyone, my promise
    5. Straus_zloy
      Straus_zloy 12 August 2013 10: 52
      12
      Those who, on the basis of their liberalism, will perform an act harmful to others

    6. Sandov
      Sandov 12 August 2013 12: 08
      +7
      Not to mention that Postyshev was one of the main organizers of the introduction of the very concept of "Ukrainian", and for this, in my opinion, he already deserved the death penalty - as the organizer of separatism.

      I agree.

      - Not brilliant, but very talented. He became the commander in chief when a serious failure was discovered at the then people's commissar of defense, Marshal Tymoshenko.

      In the course of the war comprehended the science of command.
      Today there is much to learn.
      1. knn54
        knn54 12 August 2013 14: 19
        +8
        -Sandov: agree. But not me.
        Dissemble, Anatoly.
        In April 1925, L. M. Kaganovich became the General / First Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.) Of Ukraine
        Mova has become the main subject everywhere - from elementary school to technical university. Only on it was allowed to conduct pedagogical and research work. Learning the Russian language was actually equated to learning foreign languages.
        Administrative methods Ukrainized the press, publishing, radio, cinema, theaters, concert organizations. It was forbidden to duplicate even signs and announcements in Russian.
        Those who were noticed to have a "negative attitude towards Ukrainization" were immediately dismissed without severance pay (compliance with labor laws was not required in this case). Exceptions were not made even for the enterprises of the union subordination.
        When, for example, the People's Commissariat of Education discovered that the technical staff remained Russian-speaking in the subordinate institutions even after the Ukrainization of the teaching staff, they immediately ordered that all cleaners, cabbies and couriers switch to Ukrainian. Those who do not know "native movi" must take courses to study it, and the money for these courses was deducted from the students' salaries.
        The lack of mass support for Lazar Moiseevich did not bother. He relied not on the people, but on the "national-Svidomo" subjects discharged from Galicia. By the end of 1925, the 50-thousandth (!!!) army of GALICHAN, trained under Franz Joseph, was operating in the Ukrainian SSR.
        Their number increased every month. At the same time, in order to stifle any dissatisfaction with the actions of the Ukrainians, it was officially announced that "an uncritical repetition of chauvinistic great-power views about the so-called artificiality of Ukrainization, the Galician language incomprehensible to the people, etc." is a "Russian nationalist bias" 116 (an accusation that threatened serious trouble at the time) ...
        Just P. Postyshev in the emergency situation that arose in Ukraine played a very positive role on February 19, 1933. Postyshev received Stalin’s consent to unblock 3 million poods of state bread stocks for food aid to the peasants.
        S. Kulchitsky and G. Surgay, “A course of lectures on the history of Ukraine (1992)”: “... Postyshev brought agriculture out of a collapse position ... restored people's hope for tomorrow, saved the harvest of 1933 ...” The same P. Postyshev, which the nationalists managed to label “Kat of Ukraine”, convinced Yakir of the need to allocate 700 tons of flour, 170 tons of sugar, 100 cans of canned food, 000 pounds of butter and other products from meager army supplies. In February 500, a food fund was created to feed 1933 thousand children. And the perpetrators of the grain crisis did not go unpunished. In March 600, a lawsuit was held against a number of workers of the People's Commissariat of the USSR as guilty of starvation, which was an official recognition of the hunger in the country. In 1933, part of the leadership of the People's Commissariat of Agriculture was convicted of preventing mass hunger, and many leaders were shot.
        PS Read (who cares) what the commission was doing in these years under the leadership of Lazar Kaganovich in the Kuban ...
  2. Sibiryak
    Sibiryak 12 August 2013 08: 17
    +1
    In the activities of Dzhugashvili it was manifested very clearly. For example, there is quite reliable evidence that he with all his forces opposed the Great Terror, that the terror was initiated by the efforts of two groups whose interests coincided. This is, firstly, middle-level party secretaries - regional and republican, and secondly, one of the groupings in the leadership of the People’s Commissariat of Internal Affairs, who believed that the role of the commissariat in determining the country's policy should be greater.

    After reading this, I immediately recalled the conversation, so to speak, with a child of parents who were exiled to the north of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, although it is already difficult to call a woman 60 years old a child in her own right, so she still believes that Joseph Vessarionovich is to blame for all the troubles of her parents and her in particular . These are the pies and they were not able to convince her either!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 12 August 2013 09: 19
      33
      Quote: Sibiryak
      she still believes that Joseph Vessarionovich is to blame for all the troubles of her parents and her in particular. These are the pies and they were not able to convince her either!

      And such people do not want to understand anything. I know one "madam" - she is offended by the Soviet regime and Stalin in particular, her grandfather was shot. "So what, that he served as a headman in the village under the Germans, so what, that he collected bribes, but this is her grandfather! And the bastards - fellow villagers, when the Soviet Army came, gave him away! And his mother was exiled to Kazakhstan! True, her father received a higher education, became an engineer, but still all bad, I hate advice and Stalin! "
      Great Wasserman interview! Well done he!
      1. Sibiryak
        Sibiryak 12 August 2013 09: 29
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        Great Wasserman interview! Well done he!

        I agree with you, smart man.
        1. yurii p
          yurii p 12 August 2013 11: 14
          +9
          only a smart person can change his mind taking into account the incoming knowledge, not very, will persist in his ignorance.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 12 August 2013 12: 20
            +2
            Quote: yurii p
            only a smart person can change his mind taking into account the incoming knowledge, not very, will persist in his ignorance.

            Great + To you and Wasserman good
    2. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 09: 33
      18 th
      interesting. and she is from the family of commissars ???? which, 2 decades before, they flooded Russia with Russian blood ??? I saw something like a daughter in Tiwi, one cannibal
    3. yurii p
      yurii p 12 August 2013 11: 08
      +5
      Yes, but all acts were performed on behalf of the state, which means Stalin, as in the Middle Ages the Catholic Church committed their murders in the name of God, but you do not blame God for these murders.
    4. stroporez
      stroporez 12 August 2013 12: 22
      +9
      my grandmother, my brother, for an anecdote was sent to cut the taiga near Tobolsk ..... it would seem that there are no grounds for love of Stalin, but ....... when she was still alive, she came home from her social security, sat on a chair hands lowered. I to her --- what happened !! ??? she spoke to several floors and added --- "It was a Schaub, under Stalin, I could not get an appointment with the chief for six days !!!!! he would have been walking in a sweatshirt for a long time" .......... probably since then I am -------- a Stalinist ........
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 12: 38
        -7
        so this is called "manual drive" ie the system itself, to put it mildly, is disgusting, and without regular plantings and shootings it is not working
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 12 August 2013 15: 24
          +3
          And now, at least with manual, even with automatic, it still does not work. At what, not only with us, but also in the West, it went awry.
          1. Yoshkin Kot
            Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 06
            -4
            don’t tell, it will be better that it is not visible to the public health workers at the construction sites of communism for the political bureau
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 12 August 2013 16: 41
              +4
              That's right, ZK are sitting on our neck and eating our taxes in jails. And then at least they worked.
          2. Yoshkin Kot
            Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 32
            -5
            Besides, who told you what I like, what huge influence do various leftists have in our country? the older I get, the more I "right"
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 12 August 2013 16: 41
              0
              It's interesting where we have "leftists" in our country have influence. List in the studio.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 13 August 2013 01: 00
                0
                Sobs-but, the "cat" drain is counted.
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 17: 02
              +3
              Quote: Yoshkin Cat
              I get older

              it is in the sense of 9.5, not 8 years already smile
  3. kind
    kind 12 August 2013 08: 18
    +3
    Wasserman convincingly analyzed everything, but still questions remain.
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 12 August 2013 12: 31
      13 th
      “Moreover, it is already clear that it is, in principle, possible to make a new transition from capitalism to socialism in an unstressed regime,” - Here is the question, is this transition necessary?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 12 August 2013 15: 25
        +2
        And so that all sorts of not too smart "comrades" did not ask stupid questions.
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 12 August 2013 22: 39
          +2
          Exactly, I wrote some garbage. Inattentively read the phrase Wasserman. Excuse me hi
  4. Buran
    Buran 12 August 2013 08: 22
    13
    Good interview. After him, you feel like a dog, in the sense that he knew all this, but could not say.
    1. Very old
      Very old 12 August 2013 10: 18
      +1
      Study, Dmitry, you will be TORNODO (are you not offended? I am friendly) "+"
  5. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 12 August 2013 08: 25
    +4
    Anatoly Wasserman has interesting thoughts.
    One can agree with something.
  6. bya965
    bya965 12 August 2013 08: 28
    22
    I am also a Stalinist. And whenever I find myself in an "intelligent environment" or just in a company with "naive people" I try to calmly and reasonably tell the truth about this man who has done so much to preserve my Motherland.
    1. orkibotu
      orkibotu 12 August 2013 09: 27
      57 th
      not a Stalinist but a Satanist ........ how many people destroyed the Georgian-Jew!

      and it is true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 09: 34
        14
        especially the heroes of the Volyn massacre and the SS laughing
      2. sergey72
        sergey72 12 August 2013 09: 48
        +8
        Looks like not all .... Continue next?
      3. sergey72
        sergey72 12 August 2013 09: 56
        +2
        ".... not a Stalinist, but a Satanist ...." This is always the case - the air will be spoiled and dumped ...
      4. Proud.
        Proud. 12 August 2013 10: 08
        11
        NO FUCK Not True! Stalin's words: "I am not Georgian - I am Russian of Georgian origin," his words define his state of mind. The first "sign" of a Jew is the adoption of Judaism. Stalin's ancestors in the foreseeable period were Orthodox, so it is extremely difficult to call Stalin a "Jew", and even for the sake of political trends, he did not put a kippah on his head. The surname "Dzhugashvili" has many interpretations. About what the Georgian word "dzhuga" means "Jew" is affirmed in the West by our "liberals" too. in the Georgian language there is no word "dzhuga", the Jew will be "ebraeli" or, pejoratively, - "uriya". In the Ossetian language there is a consonant word "jogis", which means "flock". Historian A.V. Ostrovsky in the "Genealogical Bulletin" in the article “Stalin's Ancestors” writes: “The surname“ Dzhugashvili ”literally means“ son of Dzhuga ”, but in Georgia there is no name Dzhuga, and in the Georgian language there is no word with a similar root. This means: either this surname is not of Georgian origin, or it was originally spelled differently. "

        This version is also confirmed by the Georgian writer Kita Buachidze, who is based in t.ch. on the study of the historian William Pokhlebkin: “this is a very ancient pagan Georgian word with a Persian connotation” and simply means the name - Dzhuga.
        Quote: orkibotu
        how many people destroyed
        I don’t even want to voice it. Your mind is captured by rotten cliches.
      5. yurii p
        yurii p 12 August 2013 11: 18
        +1
        only a smart person can change his mind taking into account the incoming knowledge, not really, will persist in his ignorance ............... apparently the second is closer to you.
      6. alicante11
        alicante11 12 August 2013 15: 26
        +5
        not a Stalinist but a Satanist ........ how many people destroyed the Georgian-Jew!

        and it is true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


        From the number of exclamation points, a lie will not become true.
    2. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 12 August 2013 09: 36
      31
      The truth is that from bast shoes came to the atomic bomb. Now we are flying from nuclear weapons to bast shoes. Would go to the level of 1913. Repeat 1917. Return to level 1953. And think, think, how to preserve the property of the state.
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 12: 26
        17 th
        how many myths, remind the Lykov family ??? and in the 80s they wore bast shoes and plowed with a plow, and in the Republic of Ingushetia everything was not as dumb as after the robberies under the auspices of the policy of War Communism, not for nothing in a short course, much attention was paid to the "devastation" they created themselves, themselves by the slave labor of the Russian people and restored
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 13: 26
          -7
          it’s clear that the short course is not already affirmative in red laughing
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 12 August 2013 15: 29
            +1
            In your performance, even a very detailed "course" is not authoritative.
            1. Yoshkin Kot
              Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 33
              -8
              so pray for the Russophobe mummy
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 12 August 2013 16: 42
                0
                And you are on the "power" of the degenerate in the crown.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 13: 37
          +2
          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          everything was not so dumb

          so tell me how it was and how it became
        3. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 12 August 2013 14: 51
          +5
          Under the tsar, grain was driven abroad, and the peasants died of hunger. Such is Stolypin’s reform.
          1. Yoshkin Kot
            Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 07
            -7
            not tired of carrying nonsense ??? what distributed tseka?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 17: 07
              0
              disprove the numbers or weak?
          2. Yoshkin Kot
            Yoshkin Kot 27 September 2013 08: 27
            0
            apparently the goth of satiety in 21-22 and 32-33 died only according to Soviet statistics, a total of one and a half tens of millions of people
        4. revnagan
          revnagan 12 August 2013 15: 30
          +6
          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          after the robberies under the auspices of the policy of war communism,

          Why, at the time when the Reds were pursuing their policy of war communism, the whites had their own policy of military communism! And do not demand links, take the trouble to shovel the materials on this site! As long as you can, like a talking capercaillie - "red war communism - byaka, white - there is a buzz! "Yes, and your favorite" knights of the white idea "shed so much blood that they never dreamed of red with their" terror "in a nightmare.
          1. Yoshkin Kot
            Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 10
            -8
            tired storytellers! it is white drove the rolling stock to the Germans ???? Is it white signed shameful Brest peace ??? and plundered grain depots to feed the Germans dying of hunger in 18? because, due to the looting of these reserve warehouses by the Chonovites, the peasants stopped bringing reserve bread to them and the first crop failure cost millions of deaths
            ps It touches me when people who did not live in union begin to tell me about paradise and the wealth of people
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 12 August 2013 18: 56
              +6
              Quote: Yoshkin Cat
              tired storytellers! it is white drove the rolling stock to the Germans ???? Is it white signed shameful Brest peace ??? and plundered grain depots to feed the Germans dying of hunger in 18?

              No, the Whites leased the Russian North to the Entente for only 99 years, recognized the debts of the tsarist government with interest, invited every creature from all over the world to plunder the country in pairs, and collected so many credits from the Entente (well, of course, for the noble mission of struggle with the red ones), that if the whites won, half of Russia would have to give to the western "benefactors".
              Quote: Yoshkin Cat
              ps It touches me when people who did not live in union begin to tell me about paradise and the wealth of people

              Well, what to take from the infantile public. But, I hope, "people who did not live in the Soviet Union" are you not for me? Lived in the USSR, and I can say boldly lived better than now.
              1. Yoshkin Kot
                Yoshkin Kot 27 September 2013 08: 28
                0
                not tired of repeating Jewish, Bolshevik tales? and a lover apparently eat Russian meat?
            2. alicante11
              alicante11 13 August 2013 01: 05
              +3
              The whites drove everything that the Entente could. Read about Wrangel's "economy".
              If the "whites" had not dried out the war in their time, the "reds" would not have had to sign the Brest Peace. And in RI, every 4 years, crop failures turned into millions of deaths, and the "bloody commies" have only one out of 70.
  7. Xoxoxnumxun
    Xoxoxnumxun 12 August 2013 08: 42
    12
    Bravo, Anatole !!!
    In many ways, everything coincided with my views, but I discovered a lot of interesting things. It would be necessary to study the newly studied ...
  8. pensioner
    pensioner 12 August 2013 08: 57
    21
    If there were no Stalin, there would be no USSR. For a long time would be pulled apart. We still live with the Stalinist heritage.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 09: 36
      12 th
      they began to pull apart when the "republican" borders that divided the Russian people were cut, the IVS only delayed the collapse
    2. My address
      My address 12 August 2013 10: 37
      13
      Good afternoon, Yuri!
      A teacher of the History of the CPSU at the Institute told interestingly about Stalin, who dragged a lot and forced his comrades-in-arms to plow for the power. Without whitewashing Stalin's mistakes, he asked the question - what to do if the cat cried for the right people, and many knowledgeable opponents. And not in time - they will eat up the country, there are only enemies around. So he pulled. And he pulled it out. And when he was gone, many associates immediately "blown away", so they immediately felt better without prodding. And the economy began to "deflate". Nikita was thrown off in 64 not only for eccentricities, but also for "achievements" in the national economy.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 12 August 2013 10: 53
        13
        Good afternoon, Alexander! Recently, so much has been said and shown about Stalin that one has to be blind and deaf in order to continue talking about the "cult of personality" and commanding troops "on a globe." The more I find out what was happening in the country in the mid-late 30s, the stronger the conviction formed in me: Stalin was the kindest man!
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 12 August 2013 10: 59
          +3
          I would say --- too kind !!! I have not forgotten your request (via PM)
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 12 August 2013 11: 09
            +5
            Good afternoon Denis! Thank you for not forgetting. And it is impossible not to admire Stalin’s wisdom and foresight! And after all, this is not the result of any insights. Titanic labor! Aimed only at achieving one thing - the good of the country.
  9. My address
    My address 12 August 2013 08: 59
    16
    At the institute, in 60-x, began to treat Stalin positively. Influenced the lectures of an excellent teacher on the history of the CPSU. Against the backdrop of wild lies under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and in view of his experience, he became a Stalinist. And on that I stand and I will stand. And a little about the innocent - tried to talk with those who had served time for what? Many of them agreed with his fault?
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 12 August 2013 11: 07
      +5
      Do not forget the foolish Rokossovsky, Gorbatov, Korolev, etc. (planted by the Trotskyists) and many others! Iosif Vissarionovich figured out! But this took time, nerves, etc. Could be engaged in other affairs of the state
      1. My address
        My address 12 August 2013 11: 53
        +8
        Yes, not only the Trotskyists.
        And it was not enough dirty tricks, who knocked with envy, from the desire to sit on it? After all, they really dragged the country from semi-feudalism to semi-capitalism to socialism. And they dragged well, at least people from 50's to the end of 80's were embarrassed to steal and do nasty things. I know it myself.
        And now? Not surprising monetary disputes between loved ones! And do not hesitate to make a career lizoblyudstvom! Liberasty rejected us a hundred years ago in moral terms.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 12 August 2013 12: 16
          +5
          Quote: My address
          The Liberasts drove us a hundred years ago morally.

          Exactly! Never in Soviet times have I seen such squabbles over apartments and inheritance in the form of a summer cottage with a bathhouse and cucumbers. And now - in the order of things. And the loans that the whole country got hooked on? I am not against them as a tool for solving material problems. I am against them as an instrument of suppression of man and an instrument of ruining the population. Let it be temporary, for the period of payment, but ruin. And a "credited" worker is a powerless worker.
  10. Gray-haired Siberian
    Gray-haired Siberian 12 August 2013 09: 04
    +9
    Wasserman is doing everything right. Too many dogs hung on Stalin (too the pendulum pulled up in one direction). Now Wasserman also puts too much pressure on him (the pendulum) in the opposite direction, in the end, to reduce the amplitude.
  11. yan
    yan 12 August 2013 09: 06
    13
    I.V. Stalin was primarily a statesman, and educated intellectuals are ready to tear to pieces any statesman for lack of "liberalism." Although in the 90s they became liberal, that's why the rethinking of the role of leaders in the "head of the corner" puts the interests of the state
  12. Egoza
    Egoza 12 August 2013 09: 22
    20
    And we have the whole family - the Stalinists. There were, are and will be. And we will pass on the truth about Stalin and the USSR to our grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Maybe even our children will restore our great country. And there is someone who becomes the same leader as I.V. Stalin!
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 10: 31
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      And we have the whole family - the Stalinists. There were, are and will be

      unfortunately not all, there are such
    2. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 12: 28
      14 th
      there will be no second communist alliance, neither when nor who wants to return to the camp again, not everyone understands to be a hiker, and then poverty will be guaranteed
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 13: 36
        +4
        actually the idea of ​​communism itself is quite good, and not a word about the camps in it, by the way, about poverty too
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 35
          11 th
          yah???? by fruit. a tree is recognized, and the fruits are sad
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 17: 10
            +4
            don’t suffer from crap, if instead of bitumen I put shit, this does not mean that the asphalt is good or bad.
            It’s the word the feeling that the first-grader before the keyboard and the computer connected to no got caught, neither logic nor sense.
          2. Border k
            Border k 13 August 2013 09: 15
            0
            Well you and the berry
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 12 August 2013 15: 32
        +5
        To the camp - no. In the USSR, yes.
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 35
          11 th
          one cannot be distinguished from one another; in general, the Soviet system is one big camp
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 12 August 2013 16: 43
            +1
            This is one complete confusion in your head.
            1. mark7
              mark7 12 August 2013 20: 16
              +3
              Well, everything is clear with the cat, he had read the propaganda industry, he didn’t even know that Russia was not destroyed at the time by the Bolsheviks at all, Wasserman was right that Stalin was a great pro, but he didn’t become one immediately, like anyone made mistakes and went forward to industrialization, but an article great advantage
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 17: 58
            0
            and you lived with him, what do you judge?
  13. Straus_zloy
    Straus_zloy 12 August 2013 09: 24
    27
    That is, Beria stopped the terror?

    I order:

    1. Strictly prohibit the use of coercive measures and physical influence by the police in the bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs; in the investigation, strictly observe the norms of the code of criminal procedure.

    2. Eliminate in Lefortovo and internal prisons the premises organized by the leadership of the (former) Ministry of State Security of the USSR to apply physical measures to the arrested, and destroy all the instruments by which torture was carried out.

    3. With this order to familiarize the entire operational structure of the bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and to warn that from now on, for violation of Soviet legality they will be brought to strict responsibility, up to bringing to trial not only the direct perpetrators, but also their leaders.

    MINISTER OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF THE USSR
    L. BERIA

    http://shieldandsword.mozohin.ru/documents/order0068.htm
    1. MG42
      MG42 12 August 2013 19: 21
      +1
      Quote: Straus_zloy
      MINISTER OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF THE USSR
      L. BERIA

      So the date of this order No. 0068 is April 4, 1953, only a month has passed after Stalin's death, >>> Beria fought for power against Khrushchev and Malenkov, he needed to create his own "thaw" Khrushchev, after Beria was removed from power, created his own ..
      In June 1953 George Malenkov helped Nikita Khrushchev remove Lavrentiy Beria ..
  14. Jarserge
    Jarserge 12 August 2013 09: 25
    11
    I will subscribe to every word. I came to this understanding of our history a long time ago. This was facilitated by the reading of books first by trash authors from the camp informer Solzhenitsyn, who, as it turned out, had collected camp folklore and given him, together with his overseas friends, a truthful look, to Korotich, the editor of the liberal Ogonyok. Due to the unreadability and lack of logic, lack of evidence, I had to look for other literature, this is Yuri Mukhin and Alexander Bushkov and of course Elena Prudnikova. Unlike the first, the latter took care of confirming their words, with a series of evidence, for example, Bushkov's books are half of documents. And reading Elena Prudnikova is a pleasure. Logical constructions reinforced concrete facts
  15. Jarserge
    Jarserge 12 August 2013 09: 32
    +5
    I will subscribe to every word. I came to this understanding of our history a long time ago. This was facilitated by the reading of books first by trash authors from the camp informer Solzhenitsyn, who, as it turned out, had collected camp folklore and given him, together with his overseas friends, a truthful look, to Korotich, the editor of the liberal Ogonyok. Due to the unreadability and lack of logic, lack of evidence, I had to look for other literature, this is Yuri Mukhin and Alexander Bushkov and of course Elena Prudnikova. Unlike the first, the latter took care of confirming their words, with a series of evidence, for example, Bushkov's books are half of documents. And reading Elena Prudnikova is a pleasure. Logical constructions reinforced concrete facts
    1. Proud.
      Proud. 12 August 2013 09: 48
      +6
      Quote: Jarserge
      I had to look for other literature, such as Yuri Mukhin and Alexander Bushkov, and of course Elena Prudnikova.
      Hello. I want to add Igor Pykhalov to your list.
    2. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 11: 14
      15 th
      I recognize the habits of Trotsky, the monotonous rattle of deceit
    3. d_trader
      d_trader 12 August 2013 13: 17
      +4
      I will add Vladimir Karpov "Generalissimo", the writer himself got from 41 to 42 years. to the camp, wrote a wonderful book about Stalin with documented facts. Stalin is a great politician, leader and leader.
  16. krpmlws
    krpmlws 12 August 2013 09: 38
    +6
    Good interview, I support. Hanging all the dogs to Stalin for terror is an obvious excess. In Russia there have always been many fools and traitors who, knowingly or not, constitute the 5th column. Of course, Stalin's guilt for terror is also there. Decapitation of the army led to the tragic consequences. Gorbatov in his book wrote with what indifference, lack of professionalism the Soviet commanders commanded the units at the beginning of the Second World War, all this was unthinkable for those who were repressed. Now they say that nothing positive would have happened if the troops had sold they were reluctant to command the repressed, the lie. The army before the war was growing rapidly, there was a shortage of personnel, so the repressions only significantly aggravated the situation, especially at the highest command level. As you know, the fish rots from the head, so the shortcomings at the highest level affected other levels, as a result covering the whole army. As for socialism, I would like to supplement Wasserman. The problems of socialism, in my opinion, are not in the imperfection of the planned system in the USSR (its effectiveness was proved in the Second World War), but in the absence of material interest of the product manufacturer in the volume of the product sold. This factor provides the possibility of economic efficiency capitalism. This is a universal economic factor, so it can be integrated into the socialist system. The development of computer technology only contributes to the effectiveness of planned onomiki.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 11: 12
      -6
      I agree with a lot of fools and traitors, but for some reason the lion's share turned out to be members and leaders of the VKPB recourse
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 12 August 2013 15: 38
        0
        Because even more fools and traitors from among the nobility and intelligentsia were slaughtered earlier during the Civil. Therefore, the lion's share of the Communists remained. They were just cut out later.
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 59
          -5
          it is clear that doctors were cut out. teachers, engineers and proud of it !!! by the way, it was then that Jews could not be pushed into the "scientists"
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 12 August 2013 17: 18
            +4
            No, they cut out grunts, tormentors and hordeloders. It is a pity that few, many in secluded nooks were wanted.
    2. Blackscorp
      Blackscorp 12 August 2013 11: 39
      +2
      Quote: krpmlws
      The decapitation of the army led to tragic consequences


      Tell me, what kind of great strategists Stalin destroyed ??? Tukhachevsky, Yakir, Primakov Are these, perhaps, great strategists ???? .... And whom did he return to duty before the war? Rokossovsky, Meretsky, the same Gorbatov, Petrovsky, I can still list for a long time ... Do these names tell you anything about anything? Please find in the books the lists of "innocently repressed military leaders" and see who is there, almost all of them have nothing to do with the army at all ... these are former commissars and I do not think that these "strategists" would fight something good, I assure you - it would be much worse ... So, what a minus to you, for not knowing the mat part and thinking in cliches ...
      1. krpmlws
        krpmlws 12 August 2013 17: 47
        0
        I never said that the repressed military men were all great strategists. They were carriers of a military school, had experience in command, and this is very important. Komdiv Gorbatov almost perished in the camps, he was lucky, survived, his wife helped him out, did not let me forget about Gorbatov. "It would be much worse ..." - I do not believe in this at all, in all the memoirs of Soviet military commanders that I have read (the same Gorbatov was shocked by how many commanders were repressed), There is a regret that a whole galaxy of normal commanders was lost. I am convinced that the mistakes made by Pavlov, Kirpanos and others were the result of their general unpreparedness to control the troops. So you do not need to go to extremes, keep your sobriety.
        1. Blackscorp
          Blackscorp 13 August 2013 08: 56
          0
          Quote: krpmlws
          They were carriers of a military school, had experience in command, and this is very important


          Nobody argues with you about the importance of experience, but explain what kind of military school is and the names of its repressed carriers?
          Quote: krpmlws
          memoirs of the Soviet commanders


          Do you really think that after the Twentieth Congress someone could write that the destroyed commanders were not commanders at all? all the more, how else could such a beginning of the Second World War be explained, only by the fact that the bloody Stalin destroyed everyone ...
          Quote: krpmlws
          a whole galaxy of normal commanders was lost


          Give the names from this galaxy! The case of Gorbatov, so often cited by you, as well as of Rokossovsky, Meretskov, Petrovsky, Lizyukov A.I., Galitsky K.N and hundreds of others, on the contrary confirm that a whole galaxy returned to the Great Patriotic War, real commanders
          Quote: krpmlws
          Errors made by Pavlov, Kirpanos, etc., were the result of their general unpreparedness for command and control


          I agree 100% with Pavlov, not quite with Kirpanos ..

          I will not say anything about extreme and sobriety of thinking, since you are already switching to a person, apparently due to a lack of arguments.
          1. krpmlws
            krpmlws 13 August 2013 11: 24
            0
            A military school is an experience, practice, tradition, mentality accumulated over the years and generations. For example, look: China has a military budget twice that of Russia, but without a design school, they are forced to acquire key technologies or, if this is not possible, samples of military equipment for abroad, including in Russia. Tukhachevsky, Uborevich, Blucher, Yakir and many others, who were respected by Zhukov, Vasilevsky, Rokossovsky, Baghramyan and Gorbatov. Further, there is no need to trick, ignore the logic: there is a fact Pavlov-brigade commander of the district, Kirpanos-yesterday the commander of the military school, and before that regiment commanded the largest district ... and so it can go on ad infinitum. Why were these people so tall and important posts? What can be expected from their actions, except for a complete defeat? And Kirpanos was no better at managing his duties than Pavlov, which is not surprising. This is not their fault, but a tragedy for the whole people. Further, why were they sent to prisons and the gulag? How many didn’t return from there? What would happen if they hadn’t returned from there? What would happen if no one was sent there? I’ll try to answer the last question myself. Obviously, it wouldn’t be worse It is obvious that the commanders could insist on putting the troops of the western districts on full alert, if they didn’t get permission, they would bring them on their own (as Kuznetsov did in the Baltic region), they would disperse the troops and aircraft, they could make normal communications, more adequately threats to concentrate troops and much more. On the transition to personalities: I just answered your unfounded remark about my stamps, this is an advice to look in the mirror more often.
            1. Blackscorp
              Blackscorp 14 August 2013 15: 45
              -1
              Firstly, before the Second World War in the USSR, in principle, there was no military school, since the old school, along with its bearers, for the most part, was either destroyed or emigrated ... The military school, as such, began to revive during the Second World War, and before it At the beginning we were pioneers in the field of the theory of "blitzkrieg" and the use of airborne forces, but in practice we did not know how to implement them ... The comrades you named, Tukhachevsky, Uborevich, Blucher, Yakir, could not be carriers of any military school at all, since they advanced from the beginning civil war, and they were not military leaders .... Do you know what and how they commanded ??? did they leave behind any labors? and if left, what is in them ??? did you read?? yes, I read it ... and I know what to compare with ... With the same Triandofilov or Shaposhnikov ... And about how they wrote respectfully about them and why, I have already spoken out, the memoirists simply followed the "general line of the party", that's all ... You are talking about Pavlov and Kirponos, but tell me who and how did Tukhachevsky, Yakir, Uborevich and other "strategists" command ??? I will not say anything about Kuznetsov, at the NWF the defeat was no less than at the ZF ... And in general, Pavlov is an army general, and Kirponos, yes, he was the head of a military school, but he also commanded a division (very good) in the Soviet-Finnish one, as well as the body after it .... And in general, our conversation takes on some incomprehensible form of convincing each other ... History is my hobby, and I have shoveled a lot of books on it, as well as on politics, and your arguments will not convince me , as well as mine you ... Regards.
              1. krpmlws
                krpmlws 15 August 2013 08: 30
                0
                Just to read does not mean to understand, unfortunately. Your pearl: "before the Second World War in the USSR, in principle, there was no military school ...", - only laughter. Read serious works about the formation of the Red Army, it gives the% promoted to command positions during the Civil War and the role of the military school of Tsarist Russia on the genesis of the military school of the Red Army. What you are doing now is making up history.
  17. Russ69
    Russ69 12 August 2013 10: 07
    11
    I am a Stalinist


    I also..

    - Will Liberals be executed?

    - Those who, on the basis of their liberalism, perform an act harmful to others.

    I support, with two hands ...
  18. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 12 August 2013 10: 10
    +4
    It is sad, but the authorities in Russia and the West both benefit from slandering Stalin, the authorities to cover up their own insignificance, the West to blacken the history of Russia / USSR and make Russians "inferior", as their teacher Joseph Goebbels bequeathed. But, fortunately, in There are many people in Russia who look soberly at things and reject the surrogate that they are diligently trying to sell us. True, the West is so entangled in its own lies that all its yapping has only the opposite effect.
  19. воронов
    воронов 12 August 2013 10: 19
    +6
    I admire especially recently Wasserman !!!
  20. Day 11
    Day 11 12 August 2013 10: 30
    +7
    I don’t like the Jews, but Wasserman is a clever! Analyst! He can still tell a lot about the slandered and spattered Beria! This is what it means to study history, and not watch "zombie"
    1. mark7
      mark7 12 August 2013 20: 37
      0
      I support, we will wait for his new articles, the young man admits that he was mistaken earlier
  21. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 12 August 2013 10: 38
    +2
    I would like to note that although Wasserman is trying to say something, he himself does not fully believe in it. After all, saying that "then there were other times, other realities, other requirements" and drawing an analogy with Stalin, for some reason he forgets that Stalin was all the same at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, Peter Alekseich at the end of the XNUMXth and the beginning of the XNUMXth century, and Catherine II from the middle of the XNUMXth to late XNUMXth century. Different times, different realities, different requirements.

    Of course he is an idealist, but at least he departs not far from the realities and does not soar strongly in the clouds of dreams. Go to a planned economy? Sir, you are joking - yes, the capitalists of the whole world will first have to be cut, because they are the ones who are faithful to Keynes's precepts "Demand creates supply", and it is not profitable for them to act otherwise they will not be able to snatch a piece.
  22. SvetoRus
    SvetoRus 12 August 2013 10: 42
    +5
    Liberals have to be executed?

    - Those who, on the basis of their liberalism, perform an act harmful to others.

    Destalizers, get ready!
  23. Day 11
    Day 11 12 August 2013 10: 48
    +5
    This orgy began with this "bald ass" of Khrushchev! TV a.r.t. smelly! He was a Trotskyist and ...
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 12 August 2013 11: 17
      +3
      Denis! More accurately. And then there are people with a heightened sense of justice ... I was banned for 3 days here. But I was fishing anyway!
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 12 August 2013 15: 39
        +2
        They banyat here mainly for truthful statements about Jews.
    2. Airman
      Airman 12 August 2013 13: 59
      0
      Quote: Den 11
      This orgy began with this "bald ass" of Khrushchev! TV a.r.t. smelly! He was a Trotskyist and ...

      He beat Stalin, and then he wanted to feed all of Russia with corn, well, they stopped him on time.
      1. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 12 August 2013 15: 54
        0
        Here is the current corn is not inserted ....
      2. mark7
        mark7 12 August 2013 20: 46
        0
        It is surprising how Zhukov G.K. was following this, uh, really all for the post of Minister of Defense
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 12 August 2013 21: 12
          +1
          Do you really want to find out? I’ll start to explain, the patriots are going to go awry.
          1. mark7
            mark7 12 August 2013 23: 20
            0
            Well, why did they immediately wane, he was alone in the war, but under Stalin, and after a while people change
        2. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat 13 August 2013 22: 23
          0
          I think L. Beria dug up something on G. Zhukov that he was shining such a thing ... so he had to support Khrushchev.
  24. vostok1982
    vostok1982 12 August 2013 10: 53
    +9
    I am a Stalinist!
    That sounds proud.
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  25. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 12 August 2013 10: 58
    +6
    Bravo Anatole! If already such people as Wasserman are aware of all the lies regarding JV Stalin, then I believe that the rest of our society, at least its most thinking part, will gradually return to the realization of the greatness of this person! In our history there are very few people commensurate in scale with Stalin! And if tomorrow Putin decisively declares the end of the de-Stalinization of our society and history, then I dare to say that his rating will soar to unprecedented heights, and there are already hints that this will happen! I believe, hope and wait for this! Glory to Russia!
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 12 August 2013 11: 10
      +1
      Such people are born about once every 100 years! Draw your own conclusions
    2. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 11: 16
      0
      so the problem is precisely that all the dogs were hung on the IVS to smear these "Russians" such as blank, bronstein, Rosenfeld, Dzerzhinsky, lacetis and other Chinese with two-handed saws made of chons, in combination with real grandfathers-grandmothers of "Russian intelligentsia "liberals so to speak
  26. maxvik
    maxvik 12 August 2013 11: 13
    +4
    Stalin undoubtedly saved Russia from collapse after the mess that was arranged by Lenin, Trotsky, Sverdlov and others. But it would not be so easy to write off people's lives and the Gulag. There are many testimonies of different people about what and how then happened.
    Why are some willing to shift responsibility from Stalin to lower leaders, but when the question concerns Putin, for example, then this is a completely different matter.
    Stalin was a difficult person and led in difficult times, using harsh methods. But what choice he had, what compromises he had to agree to, we would never know for sure.
    But no matter how the story goes, this is the history of our Russia and it is worthy of respect.

    Happy Air Force Day !!!!!!
  27. puskarinkis
    puskarinkis 12 August 2013 11: 21
    +6
    Hitler - the petty tyrant of the Stalin era! I respect Stalin very much for what he has done for the country and even for the way! Stalin, under conditions of enormous opposition, both from the outside and from the inside, correctly ruled the country! He didn’t fill his bins with riches and was not afraid to make decisions, sometimes tough (such a time)! How not to happen to the Holodomor, if in the midst of industrialization, when equipment is needed, etc., the West trades with us only for grain and timber, and even blocks attempts to Sell us bread for gold ?! Stalin saved the country of bloody terror, as well as the distribution of its bowels, by the gang of Trotsky, Sverdlov, etc. An epic figure!
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 12 August 2013 11: 31
      +3
      Call Lenin, Trotsky, Sverdlov family names
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 11: 46
        +3
        Type Trotsky is not a bracket? And howl is Yeshua here? Thanks, I reminded how did I miss this executioner laughing
        --- Born into a Jewish family. According to historian I.F. Plotnikov, “according to some information, Sverdlov was called Yeshua-Solomon Movshevich from birth
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 12 August 2013 11: 57
          +1
          And who is Lenin? Correctly-Blank!
          1. Yoshkin Kot
            Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 12: 09
            -9
            no blood was found in Ulyanov, but according to modern laws, he could become an Israeli citizen
            1. Yoshkin Kot
              Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 13: 29
              -7
              it’s clear that there’s nothing to object to in the slipper on the crap with a minus laughing
              1. revnagan
                revnagan 12 August 2013 21: 11
                +1
                Quote: Yoshkin Cat
                it’s clear that there’s nothing to object to in the slipper on the crap with a minus

                Well, so shallow crap in a slipper is so cat-like ... However, it is not for me to explain to you.
                1. Yoshkin Kot
                  Yoshkin Kot 13 August 2013 17: 02
                  -1
                  type minusanut, is this a shit by and large ???? laughing
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 13: 33
              +2
              could not, he had a maternal grandfather as a Jew and he was cross
              p / s / blood you studied?
              1. Yoshkin Kot
                Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 12
                -5
                you are either mistaken out of ignorance, or you are lying openly!
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 16: 24
                  +3
                  I don’t remember what we would be at or brudershaft, but even this is not the main thing if you think that I am mistaken provide information that will refute my statements

                  In the new state, the wording of the ancient Halakh law was adopted: one who is born of a Jewish mother and has not converted to another religion, as well as a person who has converted to Judaism, is considered a Jew. "Yeshua from Notsrat was a Jew, for although his father was a Gentile and only his mother was Jewish, the law says that born of a non-Jew (even a slave) and the daughter of Israel - a Jew" (Rambam. Message to Yemen)
                  father (father and not mother) Maria Alexandrovna (1835), the mother of Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, was a doctor Israel Moiseevich Itskovich Blank (1799) (after baptism Alexander Dmitrievich).
                  By the way, in this version there are also questions: TWO Blanca, one of them is not a Jew
                  1. Yoshkin Kot
                    Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 38
                    -2
                    Jewishness in Israel is transmitted by mother, so a person whose mother is Jewish is Jewish, and a person whose father is Jewish is not a Jew - but still has the right to Israeli citizenship, repatriation to Israel!
                    http://aliya.zakon.co.il/kto_imeet_pravo_na_poluchenie_izrailskogo_grazhdanstva_

                    .html
                    enlighten
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 17: 12
                      0
                      I don’t understand, you are offering to repatriate Lenin to Israel, but the flag is in your hands
                    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 18: 01
                      +1
                      so his father is not Jewish
                      your turn
              2. Yoshkin Kot
                Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 36
                -5
                I speak in halakhah, he has the right to obtain Israeli citizenship
        2. Day 11
          Day 11 12 August 2013 12: 56
          -5
          On this r.v.o.ch. and the blood of the whole Cossacks! They guarded the borders of the empire for centuries !!!
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 16: 14
            0
            Quote: Den 11
            the blood of the whole Cossacks! They guarded the borders of the empire for centuries !!!

            just about the "support of the empire" let's not
      2. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 11: 54
        +5
        a typical face for a "Russian" liberal isn't it true?
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 17: 00
          -1
          this is by the way the royal executioner, a very Russian Yeshua Sverdlov
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  29. rennim
    rennim 12 August 2013 11: 28
    +7
    Well done Wasserman that publicly declared that he was mistaken ... It pleases. Not many are capable of this.
  30. 094711601
    094711601 12 August 2013 11: 40
    +3
    I liked the article very much, a big plus! Just do not need blood, neither liberal nor any other. Enough already-choked! The country needs socialist values, this is not clear only to our enemies! The country needs a New Economic Policy, and everyone knows about it. And rethinking the history of the country, rethinking the role of leadership in this story, is nothing but the restoration of self-esteem and self-esteem of the people living in this country! AND DON'T GIVE GOD TO HINDER US!
  31. maxvik
    maxvik 12 August 2013 11: 41
    -3
    "The transition to socialism will be beneficial all over the world at the same time. By 2020, the total computing power of the entire world computer park will be sufficient to calculate a complete, accurate optimal plan for all world production in less than a day."

    But this is pure nonsense. At the same time, the rake no longer helps. capitalism or socialism or other social theory is not realized by computers, but by people. And the general quality of life depends on their moral qualities. A computer can calculate correctly if an honest programmer writes code. And then you need an honest storekeeper who will ship all 100%, etc. on the chain.
    Wasserman relies on progress and transfers responsibility from each person to some kind of virtual system. He continues to move along the path of capitalism and its radical process - communism. But it already was and it does not work.
    These theories do not take into account all the diversity of people and their relationships and therefore try to match all people with the same brush. Different options are offered - genetic engineering (the film "Mechanical Orange"), the Red Terror, etc.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 12: 22
      -9
      big already, and you believe in fairy tales laughing
      1. maxvik
        maxvik 12 August 2013 13: 10
        +1
        Maybe so, prove it))
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 13: 31
          -4
          and you take an interest in the real and not the propaganda story of the coup! and tell me why the Reds stormed the largest soldier’s hospital in the world ???? in the year 17 ???? Winter Palace????
          1. maxvik
            maxvik 12 August 2013 15: 00
            +1
            Try to be more specific)) What exactly do you disagree with. I do not understand why the Reds stormed all this happiness. Explain, I’ll really be glad to understand your point of view.

            In my post, I talk more about the philosophical concepts underlying capitalism and socialism, about what role a person plays in these constructions, and how viable it is.
            If you do not agree, write with what and why.
            And we will never know the "real" history of the coup. It will be good if we get a somewhat accurate approximation.
            1. Yoshkin Kot
              Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 15: 59
              -8
              gopot, the Red Guard wanted to get drunk, there wasn’t any government in the winter
              1. maxvik
                maxvik 12 August 2013 16: 54
                +2
                And ...... what follows from the context of my comment? I have to do with it. Maybe not. Try to write your thoughts in a handful of several paragraphs and without unnecessary emotions. It will be easier to understand each other smile
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 12 August 2013 15: 50
      +1
      The oligarchs will not let go to socialism.
      1. maxvik
        maxvik 12 August 2013 16: 58
        0
        Socialism in this definition is a teaching in which the implementation of the principles of social justice, freedom and equality is put forward as a goal and ideal. Socialism is also understood as a social system that embodies these principles, for which it sets itself the global goal of overthrowing capitalism, building a perfect society in the foreseeable future, completing the history of mankind, and mobilizing all the resources at its disposal to achieve this goal.

        So it just will not work to build. This has been proven in the last hundred years. This theory does not work.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 12 August 2013 17: 20
          +4
          Is not a fact. Socialism worked for itself in the USSR until it was surrendered by the elite. Well, it’s all the same here. Capitalism or socialism. There, France in the 40 also surrendered the elite. Only capitalist.
          1. maxvik
            maxvik 12 August 2013 19: 13
            +1
            Quote: alicante11
            Well, it’s all the same here.

            here I agree completely.
            Then it turns out that neither capitalism nor socialism as a theory of the structure of the state and society are self-sufficient, as they declare themselves.
            And in conversations we often mean socialism as some kind of universal justice and equality. But this was written in a different theory, and much earlier, and it works.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 13 August 2013 01: 07
              0
              I do not quite understand what kind of theory we are talking about. Honestly, you can in PM.
  32. dmb
    dmb 12 August 2013 12: 03
    +2
    How little it takes for some to change their minds. The already "dug out" representative of the feline, earlier about the communists and the Jews in general, who spoke exclusively with the noun "to the count", in fact, solidifies with the Jew Wasserman and the communist Stalin. Well, God bless him. and not seen this over the years. But Wasserman began to amaze. It seems that he also decided to spit on knowledge and took up conjuncture. His latest texts published on the site clearly speak of this. Yes, Stalin does not need a primitive whitewash. And Wasserman began to do just that. Let me remind you of his recent article, from which it followed that for the sake of logistics, Stalin, in fact, by his actions and DESIGN, sought to destroy the troops of the Western Military District by the hands of the Germans. Understandably, Wasserman read many encyclopedias and reference books, but clearly did not study the strategy and tactics of warfare of that period professionally. Today's interview is no better. Anticipating the outraged screams, and not being very upset about them, sensible members of the forum (especially those who disagree with my opinion) ask you to answer a few questions: What kind of society (ideology and ownership of the means of production) did Stalin and his team build? How did it differ in these parameters from the society that Stalin's opponents intended to build, including those who were shot in the "Leningrad" post-war case, as well as the "bald" Nikita. What exactly does Putin see as "overcoming delusions", as a result of which he will lead the country to socialism? There are many more questions to ask. Apparently foreseeing them, Wasserman makes win-win negative assessments exclusively on topics that meet the full support of the majority of the people: Navalny, the Trotskyists, Medvedev, the Americans. Under this brand, both Stalin and Putin have extremely positive personalities, which is confirmed by the cat's comments.
  33. Day 11
    Day 11 12 August 2013 12: 03
    0
    The Yankees read this forum and in A.U.H., do the RUSSIANS really love Stalin so much? Kh.r.e. you don’t understand the snout!
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 12: 20
      +5
      so why does the "Russian intelligentsia" hate Dzhugashvilli? think for killing Russians? so the Russians were killed by their Bolshevik ancestors, so they keep quiet in a rag, they take revenge on him for their grandfathers, great-grandfathers, all these heroes of the Civil, Jews, internationalists, such as Bela Kun, Latsis, and other foreign rabble who won Russia from the Russians

      By the way, the popularity of Dzhugashvilli among the people was precisely due to the fact that people saw how they shot those who starved them, robbed and killed two decades in a row
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 12 August 2013 12: 24
        0
        I think the same way!
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 12 August 2013 12: 26
        0
        Do you know the role of the Chinese in the Civil? What role did they play?
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 12: 42
          -8
          Chon executioners, too cowardly to go to the front and daring to saw with two-handed saws, women, children, the elderly
          1. sergey72
            sergey72 12 August 2013 15: 22
            +6
            Quote: Yoshkin Cat
            Chon executioners, too cowardly for

            Eh? My great-grandfather was a partisan Cossack, then he fought as part of the Red Army with the Kolchak people, is he a coward? He has "George" and a serious wound during the First World War! And regarding the terror, here's another thing for you: my second great-grandfather (on the maternal side), a traveling worker, was beaten by Kolchak men, and his wife, my great-grandmother, was stabbed to death by the lieutenant in charge of the execution. When my grandfather remembered his hands involuntarily clenched into fists ... The name of this nit was not forgotten in our family ... So, you dear, be careful with statements ..
            1. Yoshkin Kot
              Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 14
              10 th
              well, it’s not surprising that you are like an apple tree from an apple tree, as they say
              current, you specify, this traveler, before that, probably cut people, according to the Bolshevik habit, they probably found a piece of gold, and his clothes were bloodied, so they nailed
              1. sergey72
                sergey72 12 August 2013 18: 15
                +3
                I hope they will hear me! No, my grandfather refused to serve the train with the bread plundered by the "Russian patriots". To judge, try to raise him in our conditions, or do you think that only the Bolsheviks were engaged in the surplus appropriation? But he was not a Bolshevik, he was a simple worker ...
                1. Yoshkin Kot
                  Yoshkin Kot 13 August 2013 17: 07
                  -3
                  the door, right now, tearful tales tell
      3. Ulan
        Ulan 12 August 2013 16: 17
        +5
        Stalin’s popularity is also that there were no untouchables with him. Be you a minister, be a member of the Central Committee but if you broke the law or didn’t fulfill the order ... you will answer the government task, but if you stole, then the punishment will be merciless.
        There is no doubt that Serdyukov was put to the wall at that time, and today he is free, cheerful, well-fed, with dibs and even a company car.
  34. Samy
    Samy 12 August 2013 12: 10
    +1
    Bravo, Wasserman. I am joining.
  35. olviko
    olviko 12 August 2013 12: 14
    +9
    Trotsky-Bronstein: “We must turn Russia into a desert inhabited by white Negroes, to whom we will give such tyranny that the most terrible despots of the East have never dreamed of. The only difference is that this tyranny will not be on the right, but on the left, not white, but red. In the literal sense of the word is red, for we will shed such streams of blood that all human losses of capitalist wars shudder and pale. The largest bankers from across the ocean will work in close contact with us. If we win the revolution, crush Russia, then we will strengthen the power of Zionism on its funeral debris ... By means of terror, blood baths, we will bring the Russian intelligentsia to complete dullness, to idiocy, to an animal state ... ”

    Only this Trotsky-Bronstein statement alone is enough to understand the merits to Russia of Stalin, who destroyed this frenzied flock of Trotskyists.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 12: 43
      0
      Trotsky did not differ not from Lenin, not from Sverdlov, that in Russophobia and hatred of the Russian Faith
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 12 August 2013 16: 19
        +2
        Marx and Engels have been forgotten. You read what they write about Russia and Russians, and Gozman seems like a pay-boy.
  36. chenia
    chenia 12 August 2013 12: 23
    +8
    I think we will live to see a tribunal condemning liberalism. Irreversible losses of 55-60 million people for two decades (countries included in the USSR), a destroyed economy, morality.
    Well, the corresponding punishment for especially distinguished liberals is the highest measure of social protection.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 12: 45
      -1
      I hope to live when both leftist ideologies are condemned, that Marxism, that his cousin liberalism, as the leftist ideology of National Socialism has already been condemned
  37. MAG
    MAG 12 August 2013 12: 25
    +3
    Stalin for me is neither white nor black, but gray because at that time it was impossible to do the right thing differently. Is he a genius, but a common man could not have broken through to the top after the revolution to maneuver to remove people not from his "team" and at the same time understand exactly where and at what pace our country should develop.
  38. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 12 August 2013 12: 26
    +4
    For me, STALIN is the best leader from Muscovy to the current Russian Federation. No one has done more for him for the country and probably will not.
  39. mirag2
    mirag2 12 August 2013 12: 33
    +7
    Good hour. This is where I had to place my morning post-cry of the soul. For many years such bullshit poured into my ears, from broadcasters interested in pouring this bullshit into people's ears. I used to think: Here, Stalin, he planted so many innocents, a bastard. " And now, recently I came across materials about people (who were later imprisoned), and I realized that they (those about whom I read, I don't remember their surname now, but that's not the point) were just projectors, promised impossible topics, only to get funding from the state. Remember the workers of the "sharashek", about whom Solzhenitsyn writes, impossible projects were also proposed, just not for a stage. Here, if such a person was burned, is it really not necessary to jail him? He harms the state.
    But I don’t want to say this- (this is a separate topic, rather large, I’ll have to write an article with facts, for 2000-3000 thousand words, no less) -and I’m saying that I’ve thought about it-Stalin didn’t plant some innocent ones! And then the inspiration came — in a different way, and you can’t tell — what happened in Russia at the beginning of the 20th century? 1905 war with Japan, then revolution, 1914 — World War I, revolution in 1917, then Civil war! Ended after about 1924 ., then-hunger, a country in terrible chaos !!! And at the end of the 30s, we have the most tanks in the world, we have a STRONG INDUSTRY! Airplane flight records and a lot more! What can I say about this? What are these only people - Stakhanovites? Oh, no damn it! If there was a leader like Gorbachev, there would be NOTHING like that! And if there was a type like Yeltsin? No, no, and many times NO.
    A lot depends on the leader! And then who led? I think it’s now clear to you who Stalin was, and what HE DID ...
    So. And in 15 years to stretch the country (with a bunch of new economically no republics) is a feat!
    We are already 20 fiddling with manure, and we are barely starting to crawl out of it. Yes, the time is different, and you can't tighten the screws, human rights, but all the same, I personally realized that Stalin is a great man, and deserves a monument (and not one), and he needs to be awarded posthumously so that people would remember his merits, and he removed from power all the Caudle of grabbers and profligates (Sverdlov-Yakov Movshevich (his father's surname-Gauchmann-full save was of jewels-he's a window-porter!) Trotsky + "companions" (Bronstein)) - who had nothing to do with Russia, except for hatred (churches, money-gold for the International, - you can read him if in doubt), etc.).
    My mother is 82, she is adequate and in her mind she says: "The war ruined everything. In 40, we lived well, everything was."
    That was Stalin ...
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 12 August 2013 12: 38
      +2
      It would be nice for everyone to begin to "see clearly" and start turning on their brains like you!
    2. Ulan
      Ulan 12 August 2013 17: 03
      +5
      I agree with you and would like to give examples from the life of my family. My late grandmother Vasilisa (some Russian name) told me that in the early 30s the family lived very hard, my mother said that they even went to school (there were 5 sisters and one brother) took turns in the winter because there were no felt boots.
      It was especially difficult in one year, and my grandmother took and wrote a letter to Stalin about the distress of the family, and after a short time they came to them from the regional committee and said - your letter came to Comrade Stalin, you decided to allocate a cow, clothes for children, seeds, products .
      This helped to survive a difficult time, and then after the formation of the collective farm, life began to improve and before the war they really began to live well.
      Before the war, my grandfather was elected chairman of the collective farm. But the war ruined everything.
      Grandfather became the commander of a partisan detachment, was seriously wounded, taken to the "mainland" but could not recover from the wound and died in a hospital in Moscow.
      I heard from some Shustriks that allegedly the war veterans hated Stalin. I can confidently say that this is a blatant lie.
      My father fought, my mother, father and mother fought my best friend and I never heard a single bad word from them against Stalin.
      And you can understand me, who grew up in such an environment, when in liberal times people began to pour dirt on Stalin, as my father was worried, he always said that Khrushchev started the campaign of denigrating Stalin, he did not like to put it mildly.
      It was very difficult to talk with people poisoned by liberal propaganda, that a lot about Stalin lies. I am glad that today the truth about Stalin finally began to erupt.
      I was surprised to learn that in 2002, it seems, a monument to Stalin was opened in Slovenia, that the Stalingradskaya metro station will finally appear in Moscow.
      I hope to live to see that in Moscow there will be a monument to the great political figure of the 20th century and the Supreme Commander, one of the creators of our Great Victory.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 12 August 2013 17: 42
        +1
        And you know, I believe you! (About your grandmother)
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 13 August 2013 17: 50
          0
          And you know, you’re not mistaken. First of all, this case was not unique at that time and was not something exceptional.
          And I will describe in more detail about the mother’s family, so that there is no doubt that I invented a beautiful fairy tale. Not for you ... but for others. The surname of my grandmother and grandfather, respectively, is Komissarov. They lived before the war in the Tula region, Volovsky district.
          Mom .. she was the oldest child in the family before the war she graduated from college and worked in the city of Domodedovo on the railway. Domodedovo station. During the war she was called up to the railway. troops and ended the war in Poznan.
          After the war, she transported my mother (my grandmother) to her in Domodedovo, where she lived until her death. Anyone who traveled in the 80s along the Paveletskaya branch may remember that on the way from Moscow after Art. Domodedovo, several hundred meters away, there were several two-story houses along the "piece of iron" ... in one of them my grandmother lived. He was a golden soul.
  40. Ustas
    Ustas 12 August 2013 12: 35
    +4
    I always believed and still believe that the future lies with socialism and a planned economy. So Wasserman is thinking the same way.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 12: 58
      -9
      began, the "rednecks" went to the old posts to minus, as always when their lies are pulled out into the light, they take a blunt saw, like the Chinese Chonovs, ready to cut and kill all Russian people, not surprised, the very nature of "Judeo-communism" is an abomination
      ps patriots, heirs of Judas who ditched Russia to German grandmothers, who plundered the country twice in that century in 17 and 91
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 12 August 2013 13: 07
        +8
        German grandmother practiced Lenin and Trotsky preparing the world revolution. Stalin had the goal to restore the Great Russian Empire -SSSR.
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 13: 22
          -2
          so our "krasnyuki" did not dress up in a Stalinist greatcoat, in real life, Leninists-Trotskyists-Sverdlovites, because the IVS was a statesman and a realist, and these live with dreams of a "socialist paradise" according to the Kompuche principle
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 12 August 2013 15: 55
            +2
            Yeah, especially considering the NEP. Such a cool "communism".
            1. Yoshkin Kot
              Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 22
              -3
              well, they plundered the country so that people began to hide nonsense, but the peasants refused to feed the Bolsheviks who were idlers
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 16: 28
                +7
                tell me if now, let’s say the village will say that you’ll buy bread not for 30 r per loaf, but for 300 (well, to hell with me all kinds of loafers cats for loafers to feed for free), what will be your reaction
                1. Yoshkin Kot
                  Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 41
                  -8
                  nd and what kind of shishi will you buy loafer ???? if you have already revolutionized everything ??? and only weapons and ammunition from the Royal Depots are in abundance ???
                  that robbed those who worked
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 17: 15
                    0
                    that is, you will go rob me?
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 12 August 2013 16: 45
                +1
                The tsarist elite, WWI, interventions and the Civil War plundered the country. Moreover, even in the latter case, your dear "pravaki" did a good job. So there is no need to hang all the dogs on the Bolsheviks.
                1. Yoshkin Kot
                  Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 17: 11
                  -6
                  ha-ha-ha, you still camlay at the same time and repeat often, so the Tsars plundered Russia that the Bolsheviks could not bring everything out in ten years
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 12 August 2013 17: 21
                    +2
                    Well, it’s, you see, you judge by yourself, at the expense of the campaign. And rightly so, plundered, and the Bolsheviks raised in ten years.
              3. alicante11
                alicante11 13 August 2013 01: 11
                +1
                Is that a mantra? Looted, plundered, plundered. Only then, if we compare the production of weapons in tsarist Russia and the USSR during the WWII and WWII, it turns out that they could produce everything in much larger quantities than under the tsar.
                1. Yoshkin Kot
                  Yoshkin Kot 13 August 2013 17: 09
                  -1
                  like 25 years and not ??? you still reproach the king with supplies from the allies, how googled about Lend-Lease, and the supply of gunpowder
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 13: 29
        +5
        Quote: Yoshkin Cat
        patriots, heirs of Judas who ditched Russia to German grandmothers, who plundered the country twice in that century in 17 and 91

        let's decide right away, it was not the Bolsheviks who destroyed the country in 17, it was the liberals who organized the first revolution and the chaos that followed it, it was they who destroyed the army and destroyed one-man management, the Bolsheviks picked up what was already lying on the ground
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 13: 37
          -4
          one leftist world is smeared, for me, so liberals, that the Socialist-Revolutionaries, that the Bolsheviks, one thing ..
          and we don’t agree, it was they who started brazenly robbing and killing
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 14: 34
            +1
            Quote: Yoshkin Cat
            it was they who started brazenly to rob and kill

            Who?!
            1. Yoshkin Kot
              Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 17
              -5
              German mercenaries, Bolsheviks, and in their crowd Jews and other Russophobes such as Poles
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 17: 49
                0
                Quote: Yoshkin Cat
                German mercenaries

                Trotsky?
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 16: 12
            +5
            you are trying to examine history fragmentarily, separately by the Bolsheviks, separately by Stalin, separately by the February revolution, and this is fundamentally wrong
            1. Yoshkin Kot
              Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 43
              -4
              no. I consider Dzhugashvilli the greatest anti-communist in the world, who sawed out and turned into a camp fervor the heroes of robbery and torture and murder, who were considered "Russian" (with what then suddenly?) revolutionaries, and the system he built, rather corresponds to the concept of state monopoly capitalism
          3. alicante11
            alicante11 13 August 2013 01: 12
            +1
            And it seemed to me that the tsarist government had introduced the surplus-appraisal.
        2. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 21
          -6
          nonsense! they created councils and until October, Kerensky (a freemason and esser, part-time old friend of Lenin) only duplicated the Soviet decree on the abolition of unity of command and by the way he banned all right-wing newspapers
      3. alicante11
        alicante11 12 August 2013 15: 54
        +4
        And you didn’t pull anything into the white light, except for unsubstantiated accusations and statements.
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 18
          -8
          you taught history from films of a Jewish esenstein should be more modest
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 12 August 2013 16: 46
            +3
            I won’t ask you trolling on the site according to the methods of the State Department when and where I should be more modest.
            1. Yoshkin Kot
              Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 17: 14
              -4
              a typical excuse, a supporter of the Genocide of the Russian People, judging by themselves, as in 17, they looted for foreign money, and now they are waiting for handouts from the worm
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 12 August 2013 17: 23
                +2
                This is a clinic. As I understand it, by RGRN I mean Stalin, then what side are the handouts here from behind the hill? What, the arguments in the training manual have ended, but you can’t come up with your own? Or once? Need to troll?
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 17: 05
            +1
            Quote: Yoshkin Kotuchimuyu history on films [/ quote

            you apparently didn’t sin
    2. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 16
      -7
      led the Russian people into lawlessness and poverty
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 12 August 2013 16: 46
        +1
        King Nicky # 2
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 17: 14
          -4
          Yeah, it was with him that the Russian people increased, and with the Bolsheviks, how much they brought to the grave
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 17: 17
            +2
            while spotted in the 80s, growth also went only thanks to his policy in the 90s, everything fell into the abyss
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 12 August 2013 17: 23
            +5
            So with the Bolsheviks, too, increased. And Niki # 2 brought a lot to the grave.
  41. d_trader
    d_trader 12 August 2013 13: 23
    +6
    A conversation between American politicians in June 1941.
    -How long do they hold out against Nazi Germany? How strong is the fifth column in the Soviet Union?
    -In the Soviet Union there is no fifth column, Stalin shot everyone ...
  42. deman73
    deman73 12 August 2013 13: 42
    +5
    It’s time for us to restore order in our history, and most importantly, all kinds of liberals present it to the population
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 16: 46
      -9
      namely, only the communists are exactly the same liberals, and the so-called "Russian revolution" is simply the plunder of the country and the genocide of the Russian people,
      There is also a cute story about the Finnish Jaeger Battalion of the Reichswehr, which played the role of a "collective" sailor of the iron ore
  43. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 12 August 2013 13: 53
    +7
    Russia / USSR in general was lucky that such a person as Stalin was at the head of the country, only such a person could overcome such titanic difficulties as industrialization, restore the ruined science to bring the country's economy to second place in the world, win the most terrible war in the history of mankind, again in the second time to overcome the post-war devastation and turn the country into a Superpower, can anyone else do that? Of course, Stalin made mistakes, but who didn’t? Who could do better? Balabol Trotsky? Rag Nikolai No. 2 who could not even manage his wife? Kerensky? Is it funny at all? Khrushchev? Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Medvedev or Putin? I think Adolf Hitler would gladly give half of the Wehrmacht and SS, but he would put the kriegsmarine on top only if some 41 Medvedev or Nikolai would lead the USSR, although of course from camp informer Solozhenitsyn knew better ...
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 12 August 2013 13: 59
      +2
      if Dzhugashvilli had not passed the "Leninist guard" there would have been a question of survival in the general Russian People, the Russians in the south-west of Russia were turned into an unknown animal of the Ukrainian
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 12 August 2013 14: 00
      +5
      That's right. The degradation of politicians is going on all over the world; there is no De Gaulle, Churchill, Stalin. But there are effective top managers concerned about pidtia.
  44. Fitter65
    Fitter65 12 August 2013 14: 13
    +3
    Honestly, the author likes his intellect, and especially because he does not impose his opinion. He simply explains what, how and why. Well, and of course by the fact that, without shyness, he speaks about his mistakes, errors,
    And also about the "tyrant", carried away by the history of aviation, shoveled a lot of memoirs, and so not one of the Soviet designers remembers that Stalin pointed out and advised how to make planes, eliminate defects, etc., etc. But Nikita , this is a well-known fact, he recommended !, O.K. Antonov how to "get rid" of vibrations, and Oleg Konstantinovich, realizing that this is complete stupidity (this is me affectionately), was forced to do "Khrushchev's belt". After all, failure to follow the instructions of himself (Nikita) is Therefore, even in the 70-80s, they still preferred to sow corn, because if they did not sow it, they began to plant it instead.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 12 August 2013 14: 27
      +4
      As Churchill wrote (he hated communists). Stalin understood from socks to airplanes, personally accepted and approved a lot (T-34, GAZ-victory ...). Khrushchev didn’t even read books.
  45. radio operator
    radio operator 12 August 2013 14: 32
    +6
    - Back in 2004-2005, I was firmly convinced that the bloody tyrant Stalin simply did not manage to slaughter the whole country miraculously, I unconditionally believed in the tales of grandfather Nikita.

    I can say the same thing about myself.
    He was captured by liberal illusions. I confess I was wrong.
    Stalin actually departed from the Marxist-Leninist concept of "development" and chose the normal path of modernizing the country.
    And, of course, the Second World War put things in place: the Russian Orthodox Church and his toast at the banquet in honor of victory in the war, described in the book of aircraft designer A. Yakovlev, were rehabilitated:
    "Comrades, let me raise one more last toast. I would like
    raise a toast to the health of our Soviet people and, above all, the Russian
    of the people (present with enthusiastic applause and shouts of "Hurray"
    met these words).
    I drink, first of all, for the health of the Russian people because he
    is the most outstanding nation of all the nations that make up
    Soviet Union. I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people because he
    in this war earned general recognition as the leading force of the Soviet
    Union, among all the peoples of our country. I raise a toast to Russian health
    people, not only because he is the leading people, but also because he
    has a clear mind, steadfast character and patience. "
  46. zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 12 August 2013 14: 40
    +3
    Recently, some strange company has been passing through the whitewashing of the name of Stalin.
    Somehow, I can’t say for sure whether Stalin was bad or good. Too extraordinary personality. Too much has been said and written. I can only say one thing - without Stalin there would have been no victory in the 45th. They would definitely win, but when and how ...
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 12 August 2013 14: 47
      +3
      He himself said that the wind of history would blow trash from his name.
  47. Fastblast
    Fastblast 12 August 2013 14: 43
    +3
    Yes, under Stalin it was tough, but there was no other way.
    I think if he was not what he was, the country would be bogged down for many years in the domestic political division with all the consequences ...
    But the Second World War, most likely, we would not lose. The country would simply be merged with Hitler, as did a marked Judah in the 90s, who sold a striped country.

    In the present tense, the situation requires the intervention of a strong leader who is not afraid to take responsibility for introducing tough measures to annihilate the hamster layer of the enemies of the people.

    I do not see another way.
  48. polly
    polly 12 August 2013 14: 52
    +6
    The lamentable deeds of our liberals: "de-Stalinization" is turning sideways!
    1. Ulan
      Ulan 12 August 2013 17: 10
      +3
      It has long been said that the main Stalinists in our country are liberals, the more and more impudently they lie about Stalin, about the USSR, the more dirt they pour, the more lawlessness and impunity, the more Serdyukovism, gozmanism, etc. the more supporters of Stalin.
      In a speech dedicated to the 80th anniversary of Stalin, Churchill said about Khrushchev: "he fought a dead lion and ... lost to him." Ie even a dead Stalin is stronger than Khrushchev and his ilk. And the current detractors of Stalin ... these pygmies are already losing to the dead LION !!!
      1. Border k
        Border k 13 August 2013 12: 18
        0
        Duc, this if, for example, cucumber-tomatoes, water ... well, you understand
  49. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 12 August 2013 15: 17
    +6
    Onotole is a real Russian Jew, the pride of the country and a very necessary person. I do not agree with him in everything, but the main thing that pleases me is that he is a very thinking person. Many people stuff facts into themselves like a sack, and then they get them out with jubilant screams - I know the truth! You don’t know anything ... Facts, theories, and knowledge that have not been self-processed are meaningless in general and give nothing to anyone. Only the highest mental production is worth the labor expended. And in this uncle just a giant - accumulates the base and constantly processes it, making absolutely correct conclusions. I just laughed at his nonsense about the benefits of disconnecting the One Energy Ring. And look ...
    I do not believe in world socialism; it contradicts the needs and aspirations of too many people. But there is a subtlety - a real, and not naturally-crashed, country socialism will not have competitors if the country is powerful enough, such as ours. For a while (it’s impossible to do it all the time) to restrain the desire of high officials to do nothing and get a lot, and you can break out into the world as unconditional leaders ...
  50. michajlo
    michajlo 12 August 2013 16: 00
    +4
    Quote: yak69
    If such articles appeared in the central media, then there would be much less fooled people.
    Lies, these are the worst weapons of the liberals. They act completely according to Goebbels - the lie must be huge! BUT citizens should think at least a little bit on their own !!!
    How much can you mindlessly consume this informational slop about the evil Stalin and the kind "liberal liberators"? All our troubles are from unwillingness to think independently, from laziness to take a book and read, think, and not watch a zombie box with serials.
    When every citizen of our country begins to think independently and independently take responsibility for his life and the life of his country in full, then we will begin to live a better life.
    Until then - "Boris, our tsar! Putin, our tsar! Dimon, our tsar!" etc.
    A KING, HE IS IN THE HEAD! IN OWN, not in someone else’s.

    So we live, "without a king in the head."

    Hello dear "yak69"! Largely agree with you! good
    But regarding the "tsar in his head," there are other NEGATIVE real conditions in Russia, the CIS and Eastern Europe.
    Where will the "OWN KING in the Head" come from among young people who study according to new history textbooks (PASQUILI) according to new Western curricula, the purpose of which is to educate an obedient thoughtless consumer and performer, without thinking and trying to understand "what is the essence of the question" and "where is the dog buried?" fool
    After all, we are the old guard (I have people 45-55 years old) and then not all of us
    - "thinking about the meaning of being",
    - "what will be tomorrow",
    - "where are the new wise leaders leading us," etc.
    We lost the ideological war in the 80s and again, for 28 years (from 1985), both external open enemies and our internal liberals and "other mold" do not give us victory in it!

    After all, what is most offensive is that ONLY
    - having lost the USSR,
    - having tried the fill of capitalism in my own skin
    - and comparing his python noose with socialism,
    many of us (including) were convinced that the old political instructors were right when they talked about "the savage grin of capitalism" at political sessions!
    Only then we are still young and naive believed in fairy tales "about a beautiful and rich life" in the West, and the fact that jeans are better than good pants !? fool
    On the other hand, maybe it was destined so for us,
    - that we, the weak patriots of the USSR, must first LOSE ALL,
    - check for yourself, realizing the deception and comprehending it,
    - start RETURNING THE UNION for us of its citizens!
    And what will be called a leader or a talented decent leader, this is still not the main thing.
    Although looking at deeds and not words, for some reason Putin has no confidence in me as a citizen-leader of the country, although outside Russia, he, as a statesman, is rapidly gaining weight in world politics and will win the hearts of people in the West.
    I am personally more like the words and deeds of Comrade Lukashenko, only he has territor-ekon.possibilities is much less than Putin's in Russia.
    1. krpmlws
      krpmlws 13 August 2013 04: 30
      0
      I’ll correct a little: it’s important to separate the desire of the 90s person to capitalism and the desire for the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw block, that is, it was possible to go over to capitalism while preserving the USSR (maybe under a different name) and the Warsaw block. Therefore, the desire for capitalism itself is not a crime, but the deputies who voted for the dissolution of the USSR are criminals, members of the Bialowieza gathering are criminals, Gorbachev dismissed the Warsaw bloc, did nothing to save the USSR, a criminal, the elite of the USSR did nothing to save the USSR (as well as all those who could do something I did, but didn’t do it, but also supported) traitors. Personally, I was young in those years and supported the movement towards capitalism with a socially oriented human face, but I never supported the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw bloc, so my conscience is clear. Later, in the course of reflection, it was revealed to me that socialism has a huge undisclosed potential, and therefore began to adhere to leftist views.