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Mi-24 in the USA

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The Soviet Union is no more, but its deadly weapon left. Meet - Mi-24.




Immediately after the end of the Gulf War, I interviewed the pilot of the F-15E. We sat in a meeting room at the Air Force base in Seyrnour Johnson, North Carolina, and the pilot talked about his wartime assignments. The interview went well; he was proud of what he and his fellow pilots did to crush Saddam Hussein’s war machine.

However, when he began to describe his post-war assignments, his mood changed. In the spring of 1991, he flew over northern Iraq, in the area prohibited for Iraqi flights aviationas prescribed at the negotiating table. But the winners screwed up. The flight ban was limited to aircraft. In one of these flights, he flew over a mountain road clogged with Kurdish refugees. Iraqi Hind circled beneath it (Hind - the NATO designation for the MI-24 helicopter) - Soviet-made combat helicopters, and ... When the pilot told me this, his words got stuck in his throat. I turned away for a moment, sympathizing with him. Then he continued, making sure that I would report everything that he and his partner saw when their plane flew over this scene. I listened with increasing anger as he described how the Hinds circled the road, firing Kurds with machine guns and rockets. "These damned Hind's," said the pilot.
In the next few days, the pilot's story was confirmed by other pilots who witnessed the same massacre. Everyone was disgusted and angry that their command did not allow them to attack the helicopters and save the lives of the Kurds. These damned Hindas ...

We would like to think that with the departure of the Soviet Union, we no longer need to fear the Hind. But the Gulf War proved that Hind had lived its life, having survived the country that created it. According to US military intelligence, about 2,100 Hind's are flying around the world in 34 countries. In addition, it is quite possible that these combat helicopters will continue to be an important export product for Russia. So we must not forget the Hindas.

Senior non-commissioned officer Jeff Staten, a US Army pilot, understands how dangerous a Hind enemy can be.
A veteran of two combat campaigns, a helicopter gunship pilot, Stayton is now flying Hind all over the country, taking part in exercises on a Soviet helicopter to mimic attacks on US troops. This difficult job (high-speed flights at extremely low altitudes) requires an 48-year-old pilot to have excellent knowledge of the machine he never thought to fly.

As a participant in the secret program launched about 10 years ago, the pilot of the American Air Force, Jeff Stayton, himself learned to fly on the captured Soviet Mi-24.

Stayton met Hind somewhere in the middle of 1980's (details are still secret) when one of the American ghost agencies (i.e., one of the special services, DS) received the Mi-24 Hind and delivered it to a remote airfield in the United States. At this time, Stiton was testing a new McDonnell Douglas AH-64 Apache combat helicopter. And once he was told that he was involved in a secret assignment.

A few days later Stayton found himself in a dimly lit hangar, looking at Hind. “My knees started shaking,” says Stayton, “and my first thought was - Well, a hefty fool! He weighed up the 21.000 pound (9.513 kg) - it's three times more than Bell AH-1 Cobra and about one and a half times more Apache ".

Stayton explored Hind outside for an hour before he opened the cabin door. The stenographers followed him and took notes of his comments, which he had many. He was impressed by the half-inch layer of armor that surrounded the gunner’s and pilot’s cabs and protected the vital parts of the engines and transmissions. He was also impressed by the large round windshields in front of the two cabins. The ballistic engineers determined the refractive index of the glass and calculated that it is almost as bulletproof as steel armor.

What really sets Hind apart from other helicopters is the fact that it has wings. Hind's inclined wings with a span comparable to the wings of the Lockheed F-104 Starfighter, according to calculations, provide up to a fourth of the lifting force when flying. (Later, after a test flight, they found that they provide from 22 to 28 percent of lift, depending on speed and other factors.) Staten, who grew up at the airport in Kerrville, Texas, helping his father and mother working there, from childhood he flew airplanes and he began to think of Hind as a hybrid helicopter with an airplane. This mental preparation later saved his life.

If you are a pilot, you should always do an external inspection of the aircraft. And if this is a plane that you have never flown, you must be meticulous both during the visual inspection and during the familiarization with the cabin. But as a result, tension begins to arise: you know that you must be methodical in all stages of pre-flight preparation, but all this time you are thinking: “Enough! Time to fly!”

But it's not so easy with Hind. Stateton had an aerobatic guide translated from Russian, but Russians use even more acronyms than Americans, so much of this information was gibberish. However, Staten admits that the management has "filled in all the gaps." In addition, he had translations of several interviews with Soviet pilots who flew the Hind. But they were only partly useful, because the agents who asked the questions did not know how the helicopter was flying.

Today this helicopter is part fleet Soviet aircraft used by OPFOR to train US forces to counter enemy attacks.

"The biggest problem was with the switches," says Staten with his soft Texas baritone. "Since this unit was controlled by a single pilot, all systems had to be controlled from one cabin.

When you sit there, you are surrounded by switches signed in Cyrillic — Russian letters, which our boss called “acrylic,” from elbow to elbow. The engineers determined the purpose of some of them and labeled them with Dymo tape. But the functions of many others had to be determined by trial and error. "

Another obstacle in conducting the test program was that it had to be carried out under cover of night or during “satellite windows”, i.e. at a time when Soviet spy satellites did not see this zone. Within one such window, the ground crew pulled Hind out of the hangar and Stayton started the engine. "It was something," he says. "It was already getting dark and when I launched the APU (auxiliary power unit - DS), I saw an orange light behind me and noticed that the team leader’s eyes were as big as a plate. I guessed that this three-four-foot flame was beating out exhaust APU. It must be a very exciting sight. " (Stayton remarked that despite all the astoundingness, it is nevertheless a normal phenomenon for Hind's APU to spew flames at launch.)

Stayton "taxiing" Hind during the first exit. He did not lift it into the air until the next satellite window and he will never forget that first flight.

"As soon as the cabin was closed, it immediately became quieter," he says. "This is because the containment system was designed to protect the crew from chemical and biological weapons, and not just for high-altitude flight. Engineer Wayne Petri sat in the front cockpit, God bless him. Before the flight, we watched a reconnaissance videotape from East Germany how to fly Hind "The Russian pilots were lifting them into the air like planes, so I took the run down the runway as if I was in Cessna and took off safely."

Flying in the former Soviet Union from 1947 of the year, the An-2 biplane serves as a slow, stable platform for jumps of OPFOR paratroopers at the Fort Polk training center.

Stayton says that he drew all his experience of flying American helicopters, but he wants to pay tribute to the crew of aviation engineers and test pilots with whom he worked. “I don’t want to leave you with the impression that I put on Chuck Eger’s hat (the famous American test pilot - DS), went out and did it all himself,” he says.

With regard to the risk of testing the device without direct guidance from the manufacturer, Stayton believes that he did not focus on his own safety. "Indeed, I was most worried not to harm the helicopter," he says. "My receptors caught everything. I didn’t want to be the first to break it."

"I think I would also be afraid to use this damn parachute, which they made me put on," he continues. "The helicopter was in the experimental category and the Russian pilots were wearing parachutes, so I had to, by God, put it on.

But the thought of using this parachute was terrible. You do not jump until the machine is controlled, So why on earth would you like to jump out and get into the meat grinder? It would not make sense. Yet, if I hadn’t jumped out, they would have said, “He died because he didn’t use a parachute.”

Stayton's first flight began normally and he was impressed by the smooth, calm flight. “Then, after about two-thirds of the way, we felt more confident and I started peering into the rocket scope. Well, I just pretend to be launching rockets,” he said. "I pressed the switch, which in Cobra is the rocket launch button. Immediately, we passed three forced changes in altitude, rotation and direction. I entered the Dutch turn (a combination of gliding, twisting and turning the plane - DS) and other maneuvers, which I was not going to produce. That was a flight! " By pressing a button, as he believed, "launching rockets," Staten turned on the flight stabilization system which began to compensate for the previous maneuvering, which led to these forced maneuvers.

American pilots praise the spaciousness and silence of Hind's pressurized cabin

I was with Stateton at headquarters in Fort Bliss, Texas when he told me about his first flight. In front of us was another test pilot, Gordon Leicester, who also flew the Hind. "How about problems with roll angle?" he asked.

The roll angle problem, Stayton explained, was caused by Hind's wings. With a roll with a roll, the wing that is lower quickly loses lift while this force increases on the upper wing. Thus, there is a steady tendency, especially with a slow bend with a roll, to turning the device. In US Army helicopters, Stayton says, he would resist rotation by pulling the control stick in the opposite direction of rotation. But Hind, he says, "just keeps turning. If you try to counteract the rotation of the control knob, then you will roll back and perform the number of the dying cockroach.
Fortunately, when I first got into this situation, I turned to my experience as an airplane pilot and lowered my nose forward. The increase in speed added lift on the lower wing and this allowed us to get out of a dangerous maneuver. The only problem is that you have to have an altitude to restore the flight, at low altitude the roll problem may be critical. "

Slayton carried out his test flights on days when the Soviet Union was the worst enemy and Hind was one of the most dangerous types of Soviet weapons. In those days it was necessary to study everything possible regarding armament. If the American army were attacked by these terrifying combat helicopters in any European battlefield, then knowledge of how they work could be a decisive factor in their neutralization or destruction.

The Soviet OPFOR arsenal weapon is a Kamov Ka-32T Helix transport helicopter and a XM11S self-propelled anti-aircraft missile launcher.
And although the cold war is over, the knowledge gained by Stateton is still highly valued. He now works for the OTSA organization, which represents the OPTEC Threat Support Activity (Threat Support Unit). Founded in 1972, OTSA is now a division of the US Army Operational Test and Evaluation Department, which conducts final testing and evaluation of equipment before it enters service. In addition to the test role, the OTSA provides a realistic threat environment to teach all types of troops to conduct combat. What makes the OTSA training environment real is the use of weapons - exclusively Soviet, with which the US military can face on the battlefield around the world.

Stayton's objectives at OTSA are limited to his aircraft. He is also responsible for the fleet, which includes three Hind'a, two Mi-17 Hips, one Mi-2 Hoplite, one Ka-32T Helix and, among other things, three An-2 Colt. He has to drive around military bases throughout the country, but most of the time Stayton spends in Fort Polk, in the center of Louisiana, where the Integrated Training Center for Training is located. About once a month, an infantry infantry brigade (or equivalent) arrives at the training center and, for about two weeks, participates in training battles against the “local” forces, which are a battalion in size — highly trained and well-trained enemy forces (OPFOR) Utilize the skills of Stateton and the Soviet aircraft OTSA.

I came to Fort Polk last September to watch one of these training battles. First of all, I wanted to learn more about Hind. And although I came with a deep hatred of Hind and innate fear of any aircraft without wings, my other task was to fly it.

I spent a few days with the soldiers of the sixth infantry brigade (“good guys” - BLUEFOR or BLUE) and OPFOR (“bad guys” - Stayton and company), studying how they fight and kill each other. All the weapons systems of the OPFOR helicopter, including the 30mm cannon, missiles, and anti-tank missiles, are idle and equipped with laser equipment. Whenever an OPFOR helicopter strikes a successful "blow" on BLUE, a loud sound is emitted from a laser sensor that every soldier wears. To add more realism to the training, every BLUE soldier carries an accident card and if he was hit, he should open the envelope to find out if he was killed or injured. (I was not amazed, but I looked at my envelope; I would have received a non-lethal wound in my right shoulder.)

Hind is used in training attacks on infantrymen studying in Fort Polk. At his disposal - a variety of weapons, equipped with a laser, which is installed under the wings of a helicopter, including missiles and anti-tank missiles AT-2.

BLUE infantrymen are also equipped with weapons with laser equipment and each OPFOR aircraft has a laser receiver. Perhaps any soldier BLUE can shoot down a helicopter with one successful M-16 rifle shot. But it is much more likely that the helicopter will be shot down by a Stinger ground-to-air missile or one of the air defense batteries; their laser beams are proportionally much more powerful than the laser beam emanating from M-16. If one of the laser receivers on the OPFOR apparatus is struck, the indicator lights installed inside and outside the helicopter begin to glow, informing the crew and those on the ground that the helicopter was destroyed.

In Fort Polk, I molested tired soldiers in the field during their breaks with school questions. Sergeant Willie Sims, commander of the air defense battery, I asked: "Quick! You hear a low-flying helicopter, how can you determine that it is Hind?" Without the slightest hesitation: "Sir! Double cabin! Inclined wings! Large arms stands! Side windows! Special sound, different from the sound of any of our helicopters!" The sixth infantry brigade trained for almost two years to carry out this exercise, and special attention was paid to identifying targets to prevent the opening of fire on their helicopters.

Then I started learning Hind. Like Staten, above all, I was amazed at its size. But after an external examination with Staten and the team leaders, I was impressed with some of his other characteristics. Previously, I thought of him only as a combat helicopter, but behind the crew cabins is a cargo bay large enough to hold eight fully equipped soldiers.

The wings are also impressive. It is easy to see that they can provide a quarter of the lift. But I was told that this design feature allows the 57-foot (17,3 m) rotor to work mainly on the forward movement of the helicopter, making Hind one of the fastest helicopters in the world at 210 miles per hour (Max. the speed of the Mi-24 310 km / h or 192 m / h - DS).

The advantage of this design is also in the fact that the long wings allow you to place a lot of weapons suspension points: cassettes with unguided rockets, air-to-air missiles and even bombs.

I found out that the car has its flaws, or “construction costs,” as my hosts, big fans of Hind, called it. Most surprising to me is that it cannot hang like any normal helicopter. Part of the problem is the main rotor, designed primarily for pushing forward. Another problem is that large wings obscure the flow from the rotor in a hover mode and reduce its lift. Stayton and his colleagues point out that a long hover is not part of Hind's task and that a short hover is still possible. But they also add that no more than six minutes are allowed to hang from the overall life of the engines.

Hind is not a very agile machine, it has what OPFOR pilots call "limited maneuvering ability". This means that the Hind cannot fly nap-of-the-earth, one of the main methods of combat flight used by American helicopters. The Nap-of-the-earth method of attack requires pilots to fly hiding behind the folds of the terrain and shelters like a grove of trees, stop, hang, jump, open fire on the enemy, and then go down again on hover mode. The only way for Hind to approach this tactic is to fly at a low altitude behind the cover of the folds of the terrain, then climb, strike and leave at high speed.

Hind's speed noticeably affects the tactics Stayton uses when attacking ground troops in Fort Polk, where the landscape is luxuriantly wooded and fairly flat, elevation changes from 50 to 100 feet (15-30 meters). “If you are flying at an altitude of 200 feet (60 meters), you can practically be seen from anywhere in the field of maneuver,” says Stayton. "So you have to crawl belly in the mud."

At a distance of several miles from the target, which can be any combination of troops, equipped with ground-to-air missiles, trucks, or light armor vehicles, Stayton and his gunner sitting in the front cockpit are reduced to a height from 30 to 50 feet (9- 15 meters) above the highest obstacle on their flight path. At a distance of two miles, they drop to 10-30 feet (3-9 meters), which means that they can fly below the trees on both sides.

Depending on the landscape and the target, Stayton's attack speed ranges from 100 to 160 miles per hour (160-250 km / h), and the ideal distance for him and his weapon officer to launch an attack is 2,700 yard (2,5 km) away from the goal, although they may come close to 1,100 yards (1 km). After the attack, Stayton and his shooter leave the affected area and, if necessary, re-enter. If Stinger launches from the ground, Stayton may try to escape from the infrared capture of the rocket, flying in zigzags to place trees, hills, or even another aircraft between his helicopter and the approaching rocket.

At the beginning of the two-week training period at Fort Polk, ground troops are usually unable to defend themselves against Hind’s attacks, but by the end they gain experience in knocking out helicopters from the sky. When spending the night in the open in the field for several days, they often run without sleep, which slows down their ability to react. And although they may have been trained to act against American helicopters in their home bases, they have never seen anything flying as fast as Hind. "This thing is not attacking like American helicopters," admires Reginald Fontenot, director of OTSA. "All this is very sudden - at once - BOOM! After the guys even wonder how scared they were. They really felt like a war."

While I was hanging out with Hind, the rest of the Soviet fleet was engaged in a battle that raged around 20 miles in the east. Flew Mi-17 supplying troops, flashed Mi-2 watching the battlefield, rumbled An-2, dropping paratroopers OPFOR.

Finally, it is my time to fly. Although I was not allowed to board Hind during the exercise, I was still trying to achieve this. Stayton was already in the pilot's cockpit when I put on the borrowed helmet and the team leader brought me to the forward cockpit in place of the gunner. I immediately had a feeling of spaciousness as soon as I sat down in an almost luxurious leather chair. I already studied the devices when I was outside. Now that Stayton launched the APU and the car began to revive, I began to think like a pilot. Let's see where the speed indicator, the altimeter? Everything was to my left, but that was not bad; although the shooter had elementary indicators and flight controls, the thought that I did not need to manipulate the pedals, knobs, and switches made me happy.

Through the intercom, I heard Staten go through his checklist. Soon the main rotor blades merged into a spot and the team leader closed my cabin. When Stayton added power to the Klimov TV2190-3 twin 117-powerful turbojet engines and we started the taxiing, I appreciated what he told me about the pressurized cabs. It was surprisingly quiet - even when we got to the runway and the engines gained takeoff momentum.

The overview from the place of the shooter is incredible. You feel as if you are sitting in a glass ball at the front of the helicopter. It is good news. The bad news is that we flew over the very pines at a speed of 165 miles per hour and it looked like we were flying through them and not over them.
Flying fast and low Hind is the undisputed star in the war games in Fort Polk.
Stayton - an experienced pilot. I judge not because we did not hit the trees, but because how smoothly he drove the helicopter through turns, ups and downs. Some pilots have a gift; Stayton is one of them.
We flew for almost an hour and our rocket attacks were imitated away from the main battle. I was all right. With Stayon's instructions for potential targets and definitions of missile launch lines, the flight actually became pleasant. As we were flying through the trees again on the way home, I began to wish that the shooter’s place was also equipped with a control stick so that I could perform some of the maneuvers.

Hind is quiet, smooth, powerful and fast. And in a conversation after the flight, Stayton and his fellow army pilot Steve Davidson made more admiring comments.
"He is hardy like a tractor."
"Put it in the barn for a year, then charge the batteries and you can fly right away. With our helicopters, this will not work."
"It goes smoothly, just like 62's old Cadillac of the year."
"Lubricate it well and you can fly it for hundreds of hours."
Finally, Stayton said that in my opinion serves the highest honor. One day during the conversation, he leaned back and said, "You know, if I wanted to fly a helicopter just for pleasure, no doubt Hind would be at the very top of my choice."

November 1998, XNUMX
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  1. T80UM1
    T80UM1 12 August 2013 08: 48 New
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    Crocodile taxis)))
    1. Turik
      Turik 12 August 2013 14: 41 New
      +6
      The part that tells about the training battles between the "bad" and the "good" with the help of lasers is especially smiled.

      he must open the envelope to find out if he was killed or injured. (I was not amazed, but I looked at my envelope; I would have received a fatal wound in my right shoulder.)


      Is it from a 30mm gun fire? If this were the case in life, everything above the belt would be torn off to this scout.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 12 August 2013 15: 04 New
        +4
        Shrapnel wound, he’s not only a cannon.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 12 August 2013 23: 48 New
          12
          I saw the work of the Mi-24 at the air training ground for 2 years of service. This is for life !!! He will not hide behind the knolls - he will immediately lay out his trump cards on a table that no one will block! Fire Power and Speed! Dust by a pillar, quench the light! The curtain is closing! fellow good hi
          YEARS WITH HOLIDAY YOU !!! AND EVERYONE WHO HELPS YOU BENEFULLY TAKE OFF AND SOFTLY SAT !!! drinks
      2. MaksoMelan
        MaksoMelan April 19 2017 03: 30 New
        0
        I think there could have stood no 30. A mobile machine-gun mount NUV-1 with a machine gun A-12,7
    2. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 13 August 2013 10: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: T80UM1
      Crocodile taxis)))

      forever !!!
  2. Ivan79
    Ivan79 12 August 2013 08: 58 New
    32
    "Crocodiles fly too, but so nowadays noteworthy"
  3. ImPerts
    ImPerts 12 August 2013 09: 02 New
    +9
    This is not for you to shoot journalists in Iraq))). Fear and tremble))).
  4. 311ove
    311ove 12 August 2013 09: 09 New
    12
    Some estimates are not controversial, but taking into account the peculiarities of the mentality and the last lines - in general, everything is true. And “expression” in the description of “work” in Iraq is a vivid example of double standards! Something their Amerikosov technique doesn’t cause such feelings for them, although you can start similar descriptions from Vietnam and finish to this day will not work ...
    1. edge
      edge 12 August 2013 14: 29 New
      +6
      it is flattering that freaks in an enviously dreamy style appreciate our military equipment
  5. Ivan79
    Ivan79 12 August 2013 09: 09 New
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    At the beginning of the two thousandth one UN Mi-24, piloted by the Russian crew, in Africa, flying over the Atlantic, lost altitude, dived into the water so lightly, after which, as if nothing had happened, it flew further. For such a dashing maneuver, the board received the nickname Calypso and a tattoo in the form of an underwater helicopter with a periscope. At the moment, he has fully developed his resource and is being pulled away for spare parts. So it goes.
    1. helix
      helix 12 August 2013 13: 22 New
      +3
      Very interesting. And more? And this emblem (tattoo) has already been seen in relation to other helicopters. To the marine Kamov.
    2. lazy
      lazy 12 August 2013 16: 42 New
      +1
      not in sierra leone? but not in the river? and then didn’t have to plant it on tires?
    3. nnz226
      nnz226 12 August 2013 20: 09 New
      +3
      In my opinion, it was in this Papuan (or nearby) that the 2 “Crocodile” dispersed the corners of the entire civil war that lasted there for several years. In the style of a joke about the battles for the hut of a forester, who, having returned home, dispersed all the fighting parties ....
  6. loft79
    loft79 12 August 2013 09: 21 New
    +2
    In my opinion this article has already been here. And so I already saw it 5 times in different sources laughing

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAPf3KbNIuU
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 12 August 2013 15: 26 New
      +3
      SIGNIFICANTLY this article has already been here. And there was a documentary completely according to the scenario of this article (or the article was written according to the plot of the doc. Film). It was interesting to observe the shyness of the trained marines of the initial training period from the sudden appearance of the Mi-24 just above their position at the minimum height. am
      1. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 14 August 2013 23: 15 New
        0
        Discovery Wings Channel. I watched in the original this story about 7-8 years ago.
        Mi-24V is good!
  7. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 12 August 2013 09: 29 New
    +3
    Far amers to our crocodiles!
  8. poccinin
    poccinin 12 August 2013 09: 40 New
    20
    "DELIVER IT FOR A YEAR IN THE BARN AND THEN CHARGE THE BATTERIES AND CAN FLY" - THERE IS RUSSIAN EQUIPMENT! simple and reliable.
  9. Nitarius
    Nitarius 12 August 2013 09: 56 New
    +6
    MIL umnichka.Read and praise to our Constructors of those years and today! could do and do!
    We can proudly call --- OUR FLYING TANK!
  10. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 12 August 2013 10: 10 New
    +9
    But I generally heard on TV that the colonel, the head of training flights, a US military pilot said that American pilots were not shown a video where Russian military equipment performs combat missions, so as not to demoralize the spirit of the pilots.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 13 August 2013 01: 39 New
      +7
      yes well? sorry for the example, but imagine that you went to prof. sports (let’s say so in m1) and F. Emelianenko’s fights are not shown to you, and then they just say- "go and kill this" collective farmer "in the ring, because he doesn’t know anything."
      is the example understandable? if the US is considering options for a forceful collision with parts of the Russian Federation (war is not necessary, many other methods), then they are simply obliged to be interested in our methods of warfare, etc. and teach options to counter these tricks.
      do not make the enemy stupider than he really is. history shows that this can turn badly
  11. theadenter
    theadenter 12 August 2013 10: 49 New
    +3
    "Meet - Mi-24"
    Does this helicopter need an introduction? laughing
  12. Pon69
    Pon69 12 August 2013 11: 05 New
    13
    This is a text version of the Discovery film about the so-called American part of "Red Army". In the film, Stayton told how he mocked those who came to train. I went to attack the positions at a speed of 200 km per hour and covered them with nurses, those laser tweeters worked for them, and to top it passed over them at a height of 10 m. And immediately went home, the opponents went to change their pants. Moreover, he said this with such pleasure, as if he had served as an instructor in Pugachev.
  13. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 12 August 2013 11: 29 New
    +5
    The view of the crocodile is impressive, like that of the Mi-28 and Ka-50. ka-52 is somehow calmer.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 12 August 2013 15: 29 New
      +5
      "ka-52 is somehow calmer"
      Well, yes, such a cutie! wink
      1. vadson
        vadson 12 August 2013 22: 40 New
        +1
        sarcasm counted +
  14. Tan4ik
    Tan4ik 12 August 2013 11: 52 New
    +2
    Cool car! It instills horror and fear into the eyes of the enemy.
  15. eplewke
    eplewke 12 August 2013 11: 55 New
    +2
    A good bird in good hands ...
  16. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 12 August 2013 12: 34 New
    18
    The Russians and crocodiles fly ... Mi-24 - the concept of "flying BMP". The basis of the Soviet air assault troops, which, alas, were not created. Sorry.
    A wonderful helicopter, about which the troops said that he was "the vengeful soul of a tank burned down on Earth"
    Glory to the Soviet helicopter designers and, above all, the Mil Design Bureau! ..
    1. edge
      edge 12 August 2013 14: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: Scary Warrant Officer
      ... Mi-24 - the concept of "flying BMP". The basis of the Soviet air assault troops, which, alas, were not created

      Well, don’t tell, so far we have at least 7 airborne assault brigades ....
    2. Alan
      Alan 13 August 2013 07: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Scary Warrant Officer
      "the vengeful soul of a tank burned down on Earth"

      Well said!!! + To you.
  17. Asan
    Asan 12 August 2013 13: 02 New
    +9
    Despite the fact that now there is a Mi-35 (actually the same Mi-24, only with changes, for example, a different power plant), the Mi-24 is actually still used in many countries. And many pilots, seeing the Mi-24, try to get away from contact. I also watched a video about what and how this “swallow” makes this BC. It is both creepy and beautiful at the same time. This helicopter profile is the most recognizable in the world. I liked the comment very much: “But I heard on TV that the colonel, the head of training flights, the US military pilot said that American pilots are not shown a video where Russian military equipment performs combat missions, so as not to demoralize the spirit of the pilots.” They are kind of tender ... And if they had seen what the Mi-28 pair does in 3 minutes? Certainly they would have made hara-kiri ... Everything is fine with us, only the park is getting old, the pilots are not flying much with new cars. By the way, I do not like the Mi-28 in appearance - it looks very much like their Apache. And yet ... The Americans closed the Comanche program in 2004 ... It was the most promising helicopter at that time. Very beautiful and powerful ... They are strange, Americans ... Buck up a lot of money in the project, and then they "bury it" ... They alluded to the fact that the achievements of the Comanche will be used in Apache. Maybe that's right. In fact, the Mi-35 is a continuation of the Mi-24. And the whole world wants the Mi-35, because he is more perfect, more powerful, more beautiful!
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 12 August 2013 15: 32 New
      +2
      The laws of aerodynamics, purpose, layout optimization in the end leads to the fact that the technology of different manufacturers becomes similar - the planes of the 2nd world, post-war planes, modern ...
  18. erg
    erg 12 August 2013 13: 11 New
    +8
    Senior non-commissioned officer in the US Army. Well, shitty translators or crap article. Maybe the warrant officer was meant. In the USA there is no rank of non-commissioned officer. And in the scale of ranks of the US Air Force there is no category of warrant officers, more precisely, there is no such rank, only sergeants and officer ranks. In the army, and if we are talking about army aviation, then a warrant officer. According to our system, it’s like a warrant officer.
  19. helix
    helix 12 August 2013 13: 18 New
    11
    Somewhere, the Americans did not fully understand our equipment.
    Quote: "... then hanging is allowed no more than six minutes from the total life of the engines." Error. In fact, the limitations in the operation of engines of the TV3-117 type are as follows: the time of continuous operation on take-off mode is 6 minutes, and the permissible operating time on take-off mode for the entire life cycle is 5% of the resource. For an overhaul resource of 1000 hours - it turns out 50 hours. And the assigned resource (that is, the "common life" of the engine) is 4-6 times more than the overhaul resource. And it’s not necessary that the helicopter hangs only on takeoff mode. Here a lot depends on the weight of the helicopter, altitude (pressure) and outdoor temperature. A helicopter can also hang at less intense engine operating conditions, and there are much more temporary tolerances there. Although, of course, the Mi-24 is heavy. But this is a compromise. And the troop compartment, and the armor ?!
  20. deman73
    deman73 12 August 2013 14: 03 New
    +2
    an excellent helicopter itself is not a helicopter pilot but saw the operation of crocodiles in action - a chic device
  21. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 12 August 2013 14: 24 New
    +7
    But is there still such a helicopter in the world that can be used as a transport, attack and anti-tank helicopter? In my opinion, Soviet design engineers created a miracle machine for all occasions. Americans are ashamed to admit, but they also want to.
    1. heruv1me
      heruv1me 12 August 2013 17: 20 New
      +2
      Well, how can I tell you, our trains are the most trainable of course, but if on the topic then multipurpose helicopters are a dime a dozen. Read about UH-1 for an example. For example, something like that would not hurt us.
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 12 August 2013 21: 34 New
        +1
        And what does the Iroquois have, which MI-8, for example, doesn’t have?
        1. viktorR
          viktorR 20 August 2013 18: 56 New
          +2
          I’ll even say more, the Mi-8 has everything that the Iroquois have + what the Iroquois have not)
      2. Homohuman
        Homohuman 18 August 2013 19: 19 New
        0
        Although multi-purpose helicopters are not few, but the Mi-24 is a work of art, which embodied the ingenious design idea of ​​engineers. As they wrote here, the Crocodile is the most recognizable helicopter in the world and, in my opinion, outwardly one of the most beautiful helicopters. The speed record still belongs to this helicopter, a certain hybrid of a helicopter and an airplane, which absorbed the advantages and disadvantages of both types of aircraft.
  22. volkodav
    volkodav 12 August 2013 14: 53 New
    +2
    Glory to the design genius Mil !!!
  23. heruv1me
    heruv1me 12 August 2013 15: 00 New
    12
    I grew up near Syzran, a training route mi-24 and ka-27 passed (and is now passing) near my house. During my childhood, I saw all kinds of cases, but one is quite interesting, like the MI-24 belly knocked down 4 power transmission towers and safely retreated :).
  24. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 12 August 2013 19: 07 New
    +5
    the author forgot to mention probably the most important advantage of the crocodile, namely its incredible survivability on the battlefield, during the war in Afghanistan, 1 crocodile received 156 holes from various types of small arms, while he was able to return to the airfield on his own, this record has not yet been broken.
  25. Crang
    Crang 12 August 2013 19: 20 New
    10
    I grew up in Torzhok and although I have civilian professions and I'm not a military man, I had to fly personally on the Mi-24V (I have pilots friends). The article is excellent, patriotic, but I would like to make some amendments in order to clarify the inaccuracies made by the author.
    So:
    (According to the directories - the maximum speed of the Mi-24 is 310 km / h or 192 m / h - D.S.).
    The maximum speed of the vast majority of modifications of the Mi-24 helicopter is 320 km / h (199 mph). If you fly with the landing gear, the maximum speed drops to 310 km / h. The same speed has one of the latest modifications of the Mi-24 - the Mi-24VM chassis in which they were made non-retractable (not all).
    What is most surprising to me is that it cannot hang like any normal helicopter.
    Like any normal Mi-24 helicopter, it can hang indefinitely, although the static ceiling of the first versions is really not high. The same applies to take-off / landing - if a clean concrete can safely take off and so on. Pilots take off "by plane" only in order that the dust raised by the NV does not get into the engines.
    Hind is not a very agile machine, it has what OPFOR pilots call "limited maneuverability."
    This is only partially true. At low speeds and in hover mode - really a cow, but it is worth accelerating and the Crocodile becomes very nimble. It can perform a maneuver with a steady 3g overload. It will push it into the chair as it should. Just wings help.
    The view from the shooter's place is incredible. You feel as if you are sitting in a glass bowl attached to the nose of a helicopter
    Explicit exaggeration. The review is good up, forward, sideways. But down-side and back-side is not very visible. The cabin is healthy.
    At the expense of Crocodile's exceptional comfort - I agree.
    All OPFOR helicopter weapons systems, including a 30mm cannon, missiles, and anti-tank missiles
    Of the three basic modifications of the Crocodile, so to speak, i.e. Mi-24V (with a 12,7mm machine gun in a mobile unit), Mi-24P (with a 30mm fixed gun) and Mi-24VP (with a 23mm gun in a mobile unit) I advise you to choose the third or first. Mi-24P with a 30mm cannon is certainly good, but only for slow-moving ground targets, while its two brothers have much more versatile and generally more effective weapons. Fixed "fighter" gun is not very suitable for a helicopter, especially if you do not have enough barrels you can hang containers with 23mm guns on free pylons.
    In general, in my opinion, the Mi-24 is the best and most advanced helicopter ever created in the world. Mi-28, Ka-50, AN-64 are certainly good, but against the background of the Crocodile look rustic. Also, the Mi-24V is the only helicopter in the world of all times and nations which, in an air battle, was able to bring down an enemy 3rd generation F4 "Fantom-II" fighter jet. Neither before nor after did not succeed in any other vertik.
  26. lazy
    lazy 12 August 2013 19: 31 New
    -3
    and where they found a 30mm cannon on the mi-24p is paired gsh-23
    1. Crang
      Crang 12 August 2013 19: 48 New
      +3
      This is a 30mm double-barrel automatic gun GSH-2-30K
    2. lazy
      lazy 25 August 2013 14: 58 New
      0
      sorry crap
  27. lazy
    lazy 12 August 2013 19: 46 New
    +1
    somehow like this
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 12 August 2013 19: 58 New
      0
      .....................
  28. xomaNN
    xomaNN 12 August 2013 20: 07 New
    +1
    It is very interesting to hear the opinion from = over the hill exactly the pros!
  29. Fofan
    Fofan 12 August 2013 22: 25 New
    -2
    1998 article? button accordion and only. soon crocodiles will not remain, but they will still post it, changing 24 to 28.
    1. helix
      helix 13 August 2013 08: 12 New
      +3
      The helicopter lives 30 - 35 years. Mi-35 - a modernized version of the Mi-24 is currently being released in Rostov. This time.
      Two. And since 1998, nothing new has been let into the series over the hill. The Comanche program was closed. So all that is written in the article will be relevant for a long time.
  30. Bongo
    Bongo 13 August 2013 06: 15 New
    +6
    Satellite photo of Google Earth: Mi-24 and Mi-8 in Fort Bliss.
  31. Bongo
    Bongo 13 August 2013 06: 17 New
    +9
    And one more thing, next to the Mi-24 combat helicopter AN-1, compare the difference in size.
  32. vietnam7
    vietnam7 13 August 2013 14: 51 New
    +8
    In the 99th he felt the work of a crocodile on himself. First, the crocodile worked out the ags according to the spiritual calculation, and then he went to us, the instructions on interaction with aviation, orange smoke, etc. were immediately forgotten. Such speed of dispersal of the group over the shelters was never seen before. The crocodile gave a small burst and passed over us. From shells cracked a boulder meter under two growth. Now I think, maybe the flyers scolded us like that. so that the "little things" are not pulled. Although flyers are always respected with the past of all flyers!
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 13 August 2013 17: 19 New
      +5
      Scarecrows. Otherwise I would not write a comment.
  33. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 13 August 2013 21: 27 New
    +1
    These helicopters do not age. From modification to modification they gain experience :))
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  35. bone bones
    bone bones 17 August 2013 20: 26 New
    0
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=343080572453333&set=a.199671176794274.45
    951.199656543462404 & type = 1 & theater
  36. Stasi
    Stasi 18 September 2013 20: 28 New
    -1
    Our Crocodile can still put all these Apaches and other American helicopters into the belt. The only bad thing is that the Americans and other Westerners are studying our military equipment and weapons with might and main, practicing counteraction tactics. And what about us? How well do we know the advantages and disadvantages of weapons and equipment of foreign armies? Do we have exercises using our and foreign military equipment and weapons? Questions for which there is no answer.
    1. bakhshiyan rachik
      bakhshiyan rachik 27 May 2017 08: 57 New
      0
      I agree I have never heard of tests of American technology with us
  37. Fedya
    Fedya 29 September 2013 10: 09 New
    +1
    In the late 90s, the Russians received permission to overtake several helicopters to Kaliningrad. And the pilots took and cheated, flew over Vilnius. Local politicians then slept for a long time in nightmares.
  38. mehmeh
    mehmeh 8 December 2014 09: 44 New
    +1
    Yes, they are on a shaver right next to the ground you will forget such a hell. antennas bent) 15 meters above the ground what radars will detect it?
  39. Navy7981
    Navy7981 21 November 2016 01: 37 New
    0
    Well a very old article. But I reread it with pleasure anyway.