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NATO fangs fangs in the mountains of Afghanistan

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NATO fangs fangs in the mountains of AfghanistanThe forces of the Alliance destroyed what was, did not build up anything in return and signed their military and political helplessness.


In June of this year, the process of withdrawing NATO forces from Afghanistan began. The Danes were the first to leave, now the British are packing their bags, not forgetting to take with them even the fired copper shells, so that they can sell them with profit. And what is surprising? One must possess the western mentality of a merchant in order to see his profit everywhere, even in murders in a distant country. Apparently the British firmly forgotten what ended their two grief-campaign in Afghanistan in the XIX century, if once again thrust there.

Well, now all their fears behind, because the final withdrawal of the forces of the Alliance is scheduled for 2014 year. And he introduced his contingent there in the evening of October 7 2001, after the fall of the twin towers in Manhattan. It was the US response to the attack. Because Osama bin Laden, who was suspected of this attack, was in Afghanistan, and the Taliban who controlled him refused to hand over US terrorist number 1.

America behaved the same way as always - spitting on international law. The UN Security Council issued a mandate to stay in Afghanistan only for the peacekeeping forces, but in no way for NATO. Therefore, the introduction by the Alliance and the United States of its contingents into this territory can not be called anything other than armed intervention. Another grin of Western "democracy" with, undoubtedly, far-reaching "humane" goals. After all, the States do not doubt for a second that after their appearance in this country the notorious democracy flourished and 12 has flourished for years in a row, instilling an inexhaustible source of optimism and faith in a bright future into the hearts of Afghans.

The withdrawal of troops in a year is motivated by the fact that during this time the Afghan army will get stronger so that it can independently solve all problems in the country. Doubtful argument. Desertion from the armed forces of Afghanistan is widespread, massive. I think that the United States remembered for a lifetime its shameful flight from Vietnam and did not want the same repetition when withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. Moreover, they are well aware of how a group of Soviet troops in Afghanistan came out of the same country in an organized, well-coordinated and lossless manner, with combat flags deployed. Just have something to compare. Now imagine if the NATO contingent tries to get out of the country in the same way, all together? It is unlikely that they will succeed. And, most likely, few will return home. They will beat them along the way, from ambushes on mountain trails. So they are packed in turn, so as not to turn into live targets.

Entering troops wore the code name "Enduring Freedom." The operation set itself 3 most important tasks: the destruction of bin Laden, the destruction of the Taliban and the complete destruction of Al-Qaida. The one that they now generously finance and support in Syria. It cannot be said that their universal plans are realized. Is that except for the elimination of bin Laden in Pakistan after 10 years, in 2011, where the American fur seals also flew without the permission of the government of this country.

Al-Qaida continues to function as before. The Taliban, after holding out for some time in Kandahar, quietly moved into Pakistan. So with the strategic objectives of the Alliance in Afghanistan there was a complete embarrassment. Yes, and could not be otherwise. After all, the Taliban used all the same bases in Pakistan that the Americans had equipped them with at one time. And devout disciples have long surpassed their Western teachers in military affairs. So, initially, America’s chances were zero.

For two months, the Alliance inflicted massive air strikes around the country, and launched cruise missiles from the Arabian Sea, weakening the Taliban, but did anyone really think how many peaceful Afghans were killed? A lot of them died, those who did not support the Taliban at all. But this little worried Western civilization, they were concerned only with their own losses. And they lost 3000 soldiers and officers.

After ousting the Taliban to Pakistan, the Alliance attempted to control absolutely all spheres of the country's activities. A sort of military-political mentor without a mandate to stay. The desires were imperial, but they all broke up about an ordinary guerrilla war, in which the Afghans probably have no equal - for too long they have been engaged in this, the experience is great.

In January 2004, under the supervision of NATO, the constitution of Afghanistan was adopted, and in October, at the "democratic" elections, the protégé of the White House, Hamid Karzai, became president. Which now began to openly criticize the policy of double standards of the United States, conducted in Afghanistan. And that now, too, like all Afghans, requires the speedy withdrawal of the Alliance forces from the country.

Guerrilla war has not subsided since the invaders came to Afghanistan. The Taliban created a network of groups in the country that successfully carried out terrorist attacks, attacks on bases, airfields, convoys. NATO forces could not ensure the security of the country. But they were not in a hurry to leave, because Afghanistan has a unique geographical position - it is located in the middle of Central Asia, at the intersection of main roads. True, there are few natural reserves, there are deposits of coal and small deposits of oil, but all of them have not been developed.

After 12 years of NATO’s presence in the country, it can be concluded that the government, the army, the police and the state apparatus cannot independently bring order to the country. And the Alliance on the same path simply broke off his teeth. There is a mess in the country, corruption, terrorist acts, military actions, ethnic and interfaith strife. Western plans to keep Afghanistan under their control have come to an end. And when the Alliance finally comes out of it, then, most likely, a civil war will break out in the country, which is unlikely to ever end.

NATO is aware of its helplessness, so it was decided to withdraw the troops. In addition, the European military has recently been annoyed by the fact that George W. Bush started the war, and they now have to put themselves at risk.

During the time of NATO's rule in Afghanistan, according to approximate estimates (since NATO does not publish casualties among civilians), 35000 people died and left the country near 500000. Such is the statistics of the NATO democracy, such is the price of Western "democratic" values.

Alliance soldiers did everything to annoy the Afghans and set them against themselves in order to make themselves a negative image in the eyes of the world community. At the American base in Bagram, they publicly burned the Quran, causing a wave of hatred. The soldier shot the wedding for no apparent reason. Torture and bullying of prisoners became the norm for the life of the Alliance soldiers, images got to the Internet, where the military urinate on the corpses of dead Afghans. This shock caused a series of shots where soldiers torture an Afghan teenager and eventually kill him. There are a lot of pictures, and it’s good, probably, that not all of them showed us. This is a difficult test for the psyche, which NATO soldiers have not passed. And that is why they, according to the conclusion of doctors, abuse alcohol, painkillers and narcotic drugs. The number of suicides is increasing. It seems that these carriers of Western values ​​kill peaceful Afghans just for fun, for fun, no matter how awful it sounds. The atrocities of the coalition soldiers showed a real, grinning face of these monsters.

Another monstrous manifestation of the unreasonableness of the intervention of Afghanistan and the management of the Alliance in it was that, as a result of the war in the country, ordinary Afghans can no longer do something productive, since everything that is done or grown can easily be destroyed during the fighting. Therefore, almost everyone is now engaged in a safe and profitable business - they grow opium. According to statistics, since NATO captured Afghanistan, the volume of heroin produced has increased 40 times! Impressive, isn't it? And it goes without saying that NATO cannot control this growing deadly process or the drug traffic along the “northern route” to Central Asia. Where do drugs then go to Europe. According to reports, only 100000 people per year die from the Afghan “potion” in the world. And now, due to the efforts of NATO to “democratize” Afghanistan, there will, alas, be a lot more people to die.

No matter how you look at this US military adventure, in all respects it turns out that the forces of the Alliance suffered a deafening defeat. They destroyed what was, could not build anything in return, created a bad reputation for themselves and signed their military and political bankruptcy. And I am sure that they will not even be able to leave the country beautifully. There is still a year ahead of the complete withdrawal of troops, and in a year these guardians of "democracy" will do a lot of things, unfortunately.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 10 August 2013 15: 02 New
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    Well, who would doubt it? It's not like driving an Afghani Bedouins across the desert, here one madjahid with a machine gun can bring so many deaths ... Ours would remember the "offenses" of the Soviet era and install MANPADS, then these "democratizers" would not be sickly. wink
    They put a puppet in Kabul and, more or less, they (Kabul) are trying to control, and the rest of the territory is under the rule of the Taliban, so they will not be able to "conquer" the territory, losses will be incompatible with the meaning of victory, Vietnam is still remembered, and they sit at checkpoints tired of it.
    When he studied at the school, they introduced mountain training, as a separate part to the FIZO, prepared for Afghanistan, we didn’t think much at that time, many reports were written to get volunteers. hi
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 10 August 2013 15: 13 New
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      Ours, instead of recalling "offenses", airfields provide.
      1. valokordin
        valokordin 10 August 2013 17: 40 New
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        Quote: Dimy4
        Ours, instead of recalling "offenses", airfields provide.

        Help those on whom the blood of our soldiers, so can only the most Jewish Jude.
        1. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 10 August 2013 21: 00 New
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          Guys, amers from there need to be faster. It is likely that the Taliban (this has already happened) will begin to close the production of opium poppy. And this is a very big drug threat to Russia. So let them get out soon.
          1. alone
            alone 10 August 2013 23: 22 New
            +4
            the Taliban hanged anyone who got into drugs. With them, production fell to a minimum. As soon as the amers came, it all started anew.
            1. sergaivenski
              sergaivenski 11 August 2013 06: 15 New
              +7
              Good morning, Dear Forum users! That's right, V.F.Zhirinovsky was shouting from the rostrum of the State Duma of the Russian Federation: "The USA is a bandit state !!!" Since the time of Christopher Columbus, all sorts of adventurers have poured into it. overseas !!! Will not work !!! They sowed the wind, they will reap the storm !!!
        2. dmitry_den
          dmitry_den 10 August 2013 21: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: valokordin
          Help those on whom the blood of our soldiers, so can only the most Jewish Jude.


          Learned from the Japanese, who let those who dropped 2 atomic bombs on their cities
        3. old man54
          old man54 12 August 2013 03: 48 New
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          Quote: valokordin
          Help those on which the blood of our soldiers, so can only the most Jewish Jude

          hush, hush, are you, our government is almost holy, Putin cannot be criticized, is he a fighter with America and the West, have you forgotten?
      2. Andrey Skokovsky
        Andrey Skokovsky 10 August 2013 18: 11 New
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        Quote: Dimy4
        Ours, instead of recalling "offenses", airfields provide.

        you just remember what Russia was like in 2001, what it could do after tagged Yeltsin and everything will fall into place.
        moreover, the states entered Afghanistan with the support and blessings of Russia, where they safely and exploded, today it can be said that while the United States was grinding Afghanistan they did not control the rest of the directions in full force, they did not work in full force in Russia, in Syria.
        and meanwhile, they have accumulated internal problems, and today's blow will not be the same that could have been 15 years ago.
        so that Afghanistan, like Syria, grind part of the power of a weakening enemy
        as for the airfield in Chelyabinsk, but unfortunately the states did not buy this trick of Russia and preferred to withdraw the troops by other, more controlled and advantageous ways
        and I assure you this option is much more dangerous for us than Chelyabinsk,
        if in Chelyabinsk the broken-down Abrams and other weapons unnecessary to Amer would have been stolen to the color of meth, melted into melting or say from t-72 by Abrams quietly, what do you think will be done with unnecessary NATO weapons in Central Asia or Azerbaijan?
        is it really not clear that this is the direct armament of gangs such as those that today are smashing Syria?
      3. Russkiy_Prapor
        Russkiy_Prapor 10 August 2013 19: 13 New
        +8
        If the enemy wants to be killed, then helping him fly to the place of death is a good thing)))
      4. Russ69
        Russ69 10 August 2013 19: 40 New
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        Quote: Dimy4
        Ours, instead of recalling "offenses", airfields provide.

        And rightly so, the more NATO fights there, the better
        for us. Let them wet each other, both of us are never friends to us.
      5. Airman
        Airman 10 August 2013 20: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Dimy4
        Ours, instead of recalling "offenses", airfields provide.

        In order for the Americans to step on the same rake as we and the British. Expenses on Afghan "destroyed" the USSR, then perhaps Afghanistan will "bury" the United States.
        1. Dimy4
          Dimy4 11 August 2013 12: 24 New
          +2
          An attempt to subjugate Afghanistan has ruined two British empires and ours with you, and, as they say, God loves the trinity.
    2. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 10 August 2013 15: 19 New
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      But did these burps of the human race somewhere and once behave humanly? Their entire concept, even of some kind of hypothetical freedom and shit democracy, has always historically been reduced to banal genocide and looting, shouting for virtue ... as the impudent Saxon philosophy in its full manifestation is said. As the saying goes, God forbid friendship with the arrogant Saxons, for the world has never seen more vile creatures.
      1. kanevsvv
        kanevsvv 10 August 2013 17: 09 New
        +5
        Exactly. These devils have been muddying the water in Afghanistan for hundreds of years, and throughout Central Asia. What kind of "bolt" thousands of kilometers from their country are trying to be afraid of someone very much?
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 10 August 2013 15: 22 New
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      An interesting fact.
      The Taliban came to power after the departure of the USSR. At that time, Afghanistan was the main supplier of drugs, the main corridor for drug trafficking. 61% of all heroin produced in the world was between Afghanistan and China; they introduced the practice of punishing those who used drugs and those who sold them. People who used drugs were sentenced to imprisonment. Then they put before the fact those who were engaged in the cultivation of narcotic plants, saying to them: “We will give you land, take it and use it. But you must plant crops or other crops. But if you plant the wrong seeds, we will bury you right in this land. ”After a year and a half after the fatwa was issued on this issue, the volume of drug production in Afghanistan decreased to 3%!

      During the occupation of Afghanistan by US troops, drug trafficking grew by 3200% ...
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 10 August 2013 15: 38 New
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        ....................................
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 10 August 2013 15: 44 New
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        Quote: Vadivak
        An interesting fact.

        Vadim, good health! Another one, no less interesting. Since the start of NATO's Operation Enduring Freedom in 2001, Afghan heroin has killed more than a million people worldwide. Transnational crime has received over $ 1 trillion from the sale of heroin. The chairman of the collective farm of the times of the USSR would have burst out of envy for such profitability of "the collective farm" peaceful Afghanistan "":
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 10 August 2013 15: 55 New
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          Quote: Tersky
          Vadim, good health!

          Thanks - Mutually. Do you know Victor for what it offends me? The soldiers who fought in Afghanistan were betrayed by the citizens of their own country. Those same citizens who, having no idea how it was, trumpeted the whole country about "that everything was in vain." Those who for several years undermined the prestige of the army according to their thoughts in ours, only stupid people and degenerates serve in the army, and they are commanded exclusively by oak-breaking generals.

          There were such in the USSR, A. D. Sakharov, for example, talking about our losses in this country, carried such garbage that it was embarrassing to listen to. he spoke about the same thing at a press conference in Canada. And this was not just an outright lie, but also a vile slander against our Armed Forces, against Soviet officers.
          1. experienced
            experienced 10 August 2013 15: 58 New
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            Quote: Vadivak
            The soldiers who fought in Afghanistan were betrayed by the citizens of their own country. Those same citizens who, having no idea how it was, trumpeted the whole country about “that everything was in vain”

            They trumpeted, to hell with them, but the everyday "I didn't send you there" killed more than one former Afghan. It was worse than the Vietnamese syndrome in America ... hi
            1. def89
              def89 11 August 2013 00: 29 New
              +5
              Not only "Avgantsev", but also "Chechens".
              1. creak
                creak 11 August 2013 10: 25 New
                +2
                Unfortunately, not only "Afghans" and "Chechens". Even sadder was the fate of servicemen who fought even before Afghanistan in the Middle East, Africa and Southeast Asia ... For reasons of notorious secrecy, their participation in conflicts in these regions was generally prohibited mention, although these facts were well known to the whole world apart from their own citizens. And people who honestly fulfilled their duty were simply abandoned with their wounds, numerous diseases, problems. It was so more convenient for the authorities - there is no veteran and there is no problem ... I know about this not from hearsay, I myself am a veteran of hostilities in one of these regions.
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 10 August 2013 16: 50 New
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            Quote: Vadivak
            . The same citizens

            Vadim, those same citizens who trumpet for one day to send to where they "did not send", the result will not be long in coming, the rat smell will instantly show itself. Sakharov-Sakharevich-Tsukerman is not worth talking about, he actually is the rat "king" from the pliad of the Gorbachevs, Kovalevs, Kulagins and other rabble.
          3. valokordin
            valokordin 10 August 2013 17: 46 New
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            Quote: Vadivak

            There were such in the USSR, A. D. Sakharov, for example, talking about our losses in this country, carried such garbage that it was embarrassing to listen to. he spoke about the same thing at a press conference in Canada. And this was not just an outright lie, but also a vile slander against our Armed Forces, against Soviet officers.

            This crazy genius, recruited by his own wife, agreed to the point that our pilots destroyed the Soviet soldiers who were surrounded, and the lamp of Solzhenitsyn at the end of the Patriotic War cajoled our soldiers and called them rapists and robbers - that's with uuu kiyi.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 10 August 2013 17: 52 New
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              Let's remember everyone, the country should know its "heroes", an aspen stake for him in one place.
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 10 August 2013 18: 32 New
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                Quote: Alex 241
                Let's remember everyone, the country should know its "heroes", an aspen stake for him in one place.

                Kovalev is a Judah from Judah ... his place is on the same line as the one marked, and the place of the sword is a solid aspen.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 10 August 2013 18: 38 New
                  +8
                  Curl all these truth-seekers, peacekeepers and the other riffraff against a warm wall! So many destinies and lives have been ruined!
                  1. fennekRUS
                    fennekRUS 11 August 2013 00: 09 New
                    +4
                    human rights activist, has long been a curse. perverted the world of scum.
          4. Airman
            Airman 10 August 2013 20: 22 New
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            Quote: Vadivak
            Quote: Tersky
            Vadim, good health!

            Thanks - Mutually. Do you know Victor for what it offends me? The soldiers who fought in Afghanistan were betrayed by the citizens of their own country. Those same citizens who, having no idea how it was, trumpeted the whole country about "that everything was in vain." Those who for several years undermined the prestige of the army according to their thoughts in ours, only stupid people and degenerates serve in the army, and they are commanded exclusively by oak-breaking generals.

            There were such in the USSR, A. D. Sakharov, for example, talking about our losses in this country, carried such garbage that it was embarrassing to listen to. he spoke about the same thing at a press conference in Canada. And this was not just an outright lie, but also a vile slander against our Armed Forces, against Soviet officers.

            Yes, you are right, after the "shitty revolution" in the USSR in 1991, many "Afghans" left the Armed Forces, so there was no one to use their HUGE COMBAT EXPERIENCE in the Chechen wars, in which our troops suffered huge unjustified losses. Lost personnel, lost experience, lost people.
      3. poquello
        poquello 10 August 2013 23: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        An interesting fact.
        The Taliban came to power after the departure of the USSR. At that time, Afghanistan was the main supplier of drugs, the main corridor for drug trafficking. 61% of all heroin produced in the world was between Afghanistan and China; they introduced the practice of punishing those who used drugs and those who sold them. People who used drugs were sentenced to imprisonment. Then they put before the fact those who were engaged in the cultivation of narcotic plants, saying to them: “We will give you land, take it and use it. But you have to plant cereals either


        interesting, interesting. I’ve taken an interest along the way, you slipped us a half-truth

        “There is a legend that the Taliban are a fighter against drugs. This legend has nothing to do with reality. During their reign, the Taliban were and are still the main drug producer of opiates.
        Opium is grown precisely in the territories that are the stronghold of the Taliban:
        The drug traffic is controlled by the Taliban:
        Before 2000, the Taliban encouraged opium production and issued an Islamic edict urging farmers to increase opium plantings; the Taliban taxed opium income with a 20% tax. For example, opium production increased in Kandahar under Taliban rule in one year alone, from 79 tons in 1995 to 120 tons in 1996. Taliban policies included direct and indirect incentives to expand opium production (see Michael K. Steinberg, "Dangerous harvest" , pp. 69-70 f., Oxford University Press, 2004). The fundamental Taliban view of opium cultivation is expressed by Abdul Rashid, who headed the Taliban's anti-narcotics department in Kandahar: “We strictly prohibit the cultivation of hashish because it is consumed by Afghans and Muslims. and Afghans. " (Ahmed Rashid, "Taliban", Yale University Press, 2000, pp. 118-119).
        Taliban opium production grew, and the 1999 opium crop was a record - 4600 metric tons. For many Taliban years, opium production in Afghanistan exceeded global demand, leading to lower prices for heroin and morphine in the West and lowering the profitability of drug traffickers in Europe, which allegedly required producers (i.e. the Taliban) to cut production.
        For the 1990s. The Taliban also amassed colossal opium reserves of their own from the years of overproduction under the Taliban. These reserves constitute a de facto analogue of the Taliban's "gold and foreign exchange reserves." The Taliban, it is believed, went to ban the production of opium in 2000 in order to increase the market price of their drug stocks.
        For more on the Taliban's drug relationship, see Deepali Gaur Singh, "Drugs Production and Trafficking in Afghanistan," New Delhi, Pentagon Press, 2007. Chapter 3 of this study is titled "Taliban Patrons of the Drug Trade"; some of its subchapters: "Drugs are the backbone of the Taliban economy" and "a well-established [Taliban] drug transport network."



        Currently, opium production in Afghanistan is covered by both the Taliban and the Afghan government, but the vast majority of drugs are grown in areas where the government is weak and the Taliban are strong.
        1. 123_123
          123_123 11 August 2013 14: 26 New
          0
          Where does this nonsense come from? The Taliban may not be the best neighbors for our 201 base, but they have always fought drugs, as representatives of orthodox Islam, for whom the use and all the processes that contribute to this use of narcotic substances are a form of sin and cannot be encouraged or even allowed . The use of narcotic substances by representatives of peoples for whom Islam is a common religion is the result of precisely national cultural or personal characteristics, which the Taliban, by the way, are struggling with. Well, so far, at least, they fought.
          1. MG42
            MG42 11 August 2013 15: 30 New
            +2
            Taliban sources of income = smuggling of goods from Pakistan, drugs were also produced it is quite difficult to deny it. On the other hand, there are American sources, they are always looking for the ground for an invasion, for example a chem. weapons or potential for the production of nuclear weapons, it has been more than once, and drugs and Afghanistan as a world leader in the production of heroin in sight always ..

            there is a Russian book on this topic >>>

            << The role of drug trafficking in the political economy of conflict and terrorism >>

            .... Against this background, the Taliban’s attempts to limit opium production did not seem out of the ordinary. The Taliban leadership issued relevant declarations since 1996. In August 1999, Mullah Omar issued a decree to reduce the cultivation area of ​​opium poppy by one third, and on July 27, 2000, a decree banning the cultivation of poppy as a “forbidden by Allah” »Type of activity (haram). With the coming of the Taliban to power, i.e. since 1996, an increasingly clear contradiction has been outlined in their position with regard to drug production between the requirements of economic and political expediency, on the one hand, and religious considerations, on the other. A number of factors, including political, strategic, and economic considerations, could serve as an explanation for the fact that at the turn of the century the scales nevertheless tipped in favor of a religious ban on poppy cultivation. Thus, for example, the Taliban could count on using the ban on poppy cultivation as a bargaining chip in negotiations with the international community and thus achieving a relaxation of the international, primarily economic, isolation of the regime and increased foreign aid for compensatory payments to peasants who stopped grow poppy. Toughening international sanctions against the Taliban could harm transit trade, much more profitable for the Taliban than the drug business, so it’s possible that, in order to prevent tighter sanctions, they were ready to ban opium production and refuse income from it - all the more so that this fully corresponded to their religious ideological priorities. One of the arguments in favor of the ban could be a decrease
            the need to finance military action against internal opponents in the light of a series of Taliban military successes in the late 1990s that strengthened their military-political dominance in Afghanistan.
          2. MG42
            MG42 11 August 2013 15: 38 New
            +2
            As the 2000–2001 season showed, the success of the Taliban ban on poppy cultivation in the territories they control was almost complete.
            After two decades of continuous growth, the area of ​​poppy crops
            sharply decreased - according to the UN, by 91% (!) - from 82 hectares in 172 to 2000 hectares in 7606
            . Especially radical was the reduction in crops in the two main areas of poppy cultivation - Helmand and Nangarhara. In Guilmend, where in 2000 more than half of all areas of poppy crops were cultivated in the country, in 2001 cultivation was completely (!) Eradicated.
            In Nangarhar, the area of ​​poppy fields fell from 19 hectares in 747 to the entire
            only 218 hectares in 2001 The exceptionally high efficiency of the Taliban ban is also confirmed by data from US government sources, according to which the area of ​​poppy crops in Afghanistan decreased from 78 hectares in 64 to 510 hectares in 2000 than the area of ​​beef crops in Pakistan (1685 ha in 2001). Accordingly, by 79% (!)
            also fell the production of opium? raw, which actually decreased to
            mid-1980s While monitoring compliance with the ban on opium production, the Taliban made no exceptions for anyone, and strict discipline and the absence of corruption in their ranks excluded the possibility of bribery and bribes from producers or resellers for permission to continue cultivating poppies. Violators of the ban were arrested and released only in return for an obligation to destroy poppy crops. By? placed in hopeless conditions, the peasants even began to sow part of the wheat freed from the land under poppies and plant vegetables. Interestingly, as a result of the ban introduced by the Taliban, the supply of opium and morphine in West Asian markets decreased significantly, while the supply of heroin both in the region and beyond remained almost unchanged. This indirectly testifies precisely to the fact that although the Taliban had previously taxed production and partially sold opium, their further processing up to the production of heroin was largely not controlled by them. If you consider that in the second half
            1990's the Taliban regularly collected only oats from peasants growing
            opium poppy, and experienced great difficulties even in taxing opium merchants, it can be assumed that regular taxation
            clandestine laboratories for the production of heroin, especially in the border areas, were completely difficult. Thus, the Taliban literally did not receive any extra-high profits from processing opium into heroin.
            words could afford economically a campaign to combat heroin production. So, back in March 1999, that is, before the landmark decree of Mullah Omar, the Taliban, according to some reports, closed two mini-factories for the production of opiates in Jalalabad and another 34 laboratories in the border areas; In 2000, they liquidated up to 25 opiate laboratories.
            If the Taliban, for strategic and religious reasons, could have allowed themselves to abandon the proceeds from drug production, then the ban on opium cultivation had serious consequences for the population of drug producing regions. The most notable of these was the rapid increase in debt owed by peasants who sold their stocks of narcotic raw materials.

            http://www.imemo.ru/df/publ/2005/drug%20business_35-94.pdf
            1. ale-x
              ale-x 11 August 2013 21: 17 New
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              Maybe this was the main reason for the invasion?
              1. svp67
                svp67 12 August 2013 00: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: ale-x
                Maybe this was the main reason for the invasion?

                But what about ...
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 12 August 2013 01: 10 New
                  +1
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              2. MG42
                MG42 12 August 2013 01: 22 New
                +1
                Quote: ale-x
                Maybe this was the main reason for the invasion?

                <axis of evil>
                score with the local kosyachok ..
          3. poquello
            poquello 12 August 2013 00: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: 123_123
            Where does this nonsense come from? Perhaps the Taliban are not the best neighbors for our 201 base, but with drugs

            Have you read the post carefully? There a bunch of sources are indicated.
            I heard about drugs from "afghan before amerikosov" that I had doubts, by the way, I also heard about the increase in traffic under amerikosy - I believe that.
            1. MG42
              MG42 12 August 2013 01: 26 New
              +3
              Quote: poquello
              By the way, I also heard about the increase in traffic with Americans - I believe that.

              Under the strict guidance of American agronomists bully >>
      4. de bouillon
        de bouillon 11 August 2013 10: 10 New
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        nonsense, where facts, links

        can you imagine the astronomical growth of 3200% yourself?

        if that were the case, we just swam in heroine right now.
    4. Avenger711
      Avenger711 10 August 2013 15: 26 New
      +1
      The Taliban is no better for us, so there is no reason to support it.
      1. experienced
        experienced 10 August 2013 15: 30 New
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        Quote: Avenger711
        The Taliban is no better for us, so there is no reason to support it.

        He’s talking about Thomas, and he’s about Yerema ... Vadim gave figures on the production of heroin and clearly showed who the drug trafficking was growing, and who fought with him and in his post I did not find a single phrase that someone needs to be supported. Learn to read comments, not see your fantasies between the lines. hi
        1. Laserson
          Laserson 10 August 2013 15: 44 New
          -1
          Now the flow of drugs will not stop anything. No one will refuse such profits, even the most Orthodox Taliban.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 10 August 2013 16: 06 New
            +7
            Quote: Laserson
            No one will refuse such profits, even the most Orthodox Taliban.


            I would not be so categorical after all, the experience was. Although if you think in terms of what is happening in our country, then yes, we now have profit (in our own pocket) above all, above all that is holy, Faith, Fatherland, Man
    5. Tersky
      Tersky 10 August 2013 15: 29 New
      21
      Quote: seasoned
      Well, who would doubt it? Afghan is not a Bedouin in the desert to drive, here one majahid with a gun can bring so many deaths ...

      That's right, there even light industry products are peculiar and unique wink -
      1. alone
        alone 10 August 2013 23: 24 New
        +3
        well, considering that the country has been at war for about 40 years, then the carpet is still "peaceful")))
      2. regsSSSR
        regsSSSR 11 August 2013 23: 18 New
        0
        Quote: Tersky
        Quote: seasoned
        Well, who would doubt it? Afghan is not a Bedouin in the desert to drive, here one majahid with a gun can bring so many deaths ...

        That's right, there even light industry products are peculiar and unique wink -


        and this rug, as a visual aid for the Afghans, shows that it’s precisely from the American arsenal that with a skillful approach one can destroy or knock down a pair of hand grenades from a Kalashnikov assault rifle laughing
    6. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 10 August 2013 16: 48 New
      +6
      Quote: seasoned
      Well, who would doubt it? It's not like driving an Afghani Bedouins across the desert, here one madjahid with a machine gun can bring so many deaths ... Ours would remember the "offenses" of the Soviet era and install MANPADS, then these "democratizers" would not be sickly. wink
      They put a puppet in Kabul and, more or less, they (Kabul) are trying to control, and the rest of the territory is under the rule of the Taliban, so they will not be able to "conquer" the territory, losses will be incompatible with the meaning of victory, Vietnam is still remembered, and they sit at checkpoints tired of it.
      When he studied at the school, they introduced mountain training, as a separate part to the FIZO, prepared for Afghanistan, we didn’t think much at that time, many reports were written to get volunteers. hi

      They lived their life and will live. There socialism did not take root, capitalism and other crap also did not take root. The main thing there is trade and religion. And do not flattery there. In the end, this is their country.
    7. kanevsvv
      kanevsvv 10 August 2013 17: 12 New
      10
      in our company, only three in the ranks remained in place, the rest took a step forward
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    9. Airman
      Airman 10 August 2013 22: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: seasoned
      Well, who would doubt it? It's not like driving an Afghani Bedouins across the desert, here one madjahid with a machine gun can bring so many deaths ... Ours would remember the "offenses" of the Soviet era and install MANPADS, then these "democratizers" would not be sickly. wink
      They put a puppet in Kabul and, more or less, they (Kabul) are trying to control, and the rest of the territory is under the rule of the Taliban, so they will not be able to "conquer" the territory, losses will be incompatible with the meaning of victory, Vietnam is still remembered, and they sit at checkpoints tired of it.
      When he studied at the school, they introduced mountain training, as a separate part to the FIZO, prepared for Afghanistan, we didn’t think much at that time, many reports were written to get volunteers. hi

      I looked at the comments and realized that most people know about Afghanistan by "hearsay", from stories. But knowing, hearing and BEING THERE are two big differences. ALL "Afghans" - HELLO!
    10. _Forgiven_
      _Forgiven_ 11 August 2013 13: 43 New
      0
      I don’t understand at all why these stupid guys are poking around in the countries of the Arab world ... Okay, the Americans are also soldered to the head, but the French and the British are already too much. Really a thousand-year history has not taught them anything. All their lotions are fashionable to one place when the majahid begins to conduct a guerrilla war. For more than a thousand years, they have been trying to get into the Middle East and nothing has been achieved, is it really not clear that nothing good will come of it, but the people will be angry and that’s all ...
  2. dirty trick
    dirty trick 10 August 2013 15: 12 New
    13
    NATO's core military doctrine:
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 10 August 2013 15: 13 New
      13
      ........................................
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 10 August 2013 15: 14 New
        +4
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        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 10 August 2013 15: 15 New
          18
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    2. George
      George 10 August 2013 16: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: dirty trick
      NATO's core military doctrine:

      That's right. No good deed should go unpunished.
  3. Remko
    Remko 10 August 2013 15: 13 New
    -15
    If we compare the losses of the Soviet Union and about a million dead and wounded citizens of Afghanistan, then this is nothing.
    1. Nevsky
      Nevsky 10 August 2013 15: 24 New
      27
      Quote: Remko
      If we compare the losses of the Soviet Union and about a million dead and wounded citizens of Afghanistan, then this is nothing.


      Given that the Taliban were not supplied with new small arms and heavy weapons, and at the same time MANPADS with grenade launchers, then the presence of casualties from NATO is simply surprising.
      1. MG42
        MG42 10 August 2013 16: 28 New
        +7
        Quote: Nevsky
        Given that the Taliban were not supplied with new small arms and heavy weapons, and at the same time MANPADS with grenade launchers, then the presence of casualties from NATO is simply surprising.

        They gained many years of experience in the partisan struggle for several. decades, many weapons remained there and captured, and supplies can come from Pakistan ..
        1. Raptor75
          Raptor75 10 August 2013 16: 51 New
          +9
          Quote: Nevsky
          Given that the Taliban were not supplied with new small arms and heavy weapons, and at the same time MANPADS with grenade launchers, then the presence of casualties from NATO is simply surprising.

          Quote: MG42
          They gained many years of experience in the partisan struggle for several. decades, a lot of weapons remained there and captured, and supplies can come from Pakistan.

          Mg42. Had the Taliban been all the most up-to-date, and the technology had gone far from the 80s, the amers would have surpassed us a lot in terms of losses. And they would be given away from there.
          It seems we are the only army in the history of Afghanistan that has left with dignity.
          1. MG42
            MG42 10 August 2013 17: 17 New
            +9
            Quote: Raptor75
            Had the Taliban been all the most up-to-date, and the technology had gone far from the 80s, the amers would have surpassed us a lot in terms of losses. And they would be given away from there.

            Do not forget about the difficult terrain in Afghanistan, many modern technologies there may simply be ineffective, the same spirit with a Kalash or RPG-7 on top of a mountain guiding aimed fire from a prepared position along a column that moves down the road even with the most modern weapons can work much more efficiently .. And against landmines what American technologies can oppose there?
            This is not a "desert storm" in Iraq, where the amers achieved victory relatively quickly, because everything is in full view ... but then a guerrilla war and explosions of landmines and, most importantly, that too much money was spent, caused them damage ..
            1. Raptor75
              Raptor75 10 August 2013 18: 58 New
              +9
              Under modern technology, I primarily had the latest-generation MANPADS, RPGs, and electronic warfare systems. This is so offhand. Actually, if you wanted and possible, you could make the stay of amers simply unbearable.
              1. MG42
                MG42 10 August 2013 19: 33 New
                +2
                Quote: Raptor75
                Under modern technology, I primarily had the latest generation MANPADS, RPGs, electronic warfare

                At one time in the 80s, amers were well supplied with their "stingers".
                Quote: Raptor75
                Actually, if you wanted and possible, you could make the stay of amers simply unbearable.

                Improvised American bathhouse in Afghanistan on
                fresh air.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 10 August 2013 19: 56 New
                  +4
                  In January 1987, officers and fighters of the GRU GSH special forces group seized the first American-made Stinger MANPADS (man-portable air defense system).
                  After the task was successfully completed, several participants in the operation were presented with the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, but they did not receive this award.
                  The film involves a lot of people “from the other side” - former Afghan field commanders Haji Sadar Aka and Muhamad Aref, CIA officer in 1985-1989 Nick Pratt, German cameraman Dittmar Hack, who traveled with caravans across the Pakistani border and filmed battles with ours . They tell who and how fought against us, where and how the Mujahideen were trained and what their main tasks were, as well as the direct role of the CIA in training the Mujahideen. They answer questions calmly, frankly - so many years have passed, so what!
                2. Raptor75
                  Raptor75 10 August 2013 21: 21 New
                  0
                  Well ... If the enemy has nothing but Kalash and RPG-7, you can relax.
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 10 August 2013 21: 31 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Raptor75
                    If the enemy has nothing but Kalash and RPG-7, you can relax.

                    It is possible, but only very carefully .. bully
                    1. MG42
                      MG42 10 August 2013 21: 51 New
                      +3
                      This is a still from a video taken in Waziristan, a mountainous region on the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan. In the military camp, kids, some of whom are only five years old, learn to shoot from machine guns and pistols, as well as cope with explosives. Many of them are children of the fallen "martyrs" of al-Qaeda, and by the age of 15 they have become full-fledged soldiers of the Taliban army.



                  2. MG42
                    MG42 10 August 2013 21: 43 New
                    +4
                    And here is a photo of Taliban fighters with a stinger >>>
                    1. Raptor75
                      Raptor75 10 August 2013 23: 05 New
                      +5
                      Thanks, it was interesting to see. After the departure of amers problems in Central Asia, we will increase ...
                      1. MG42
                        MG42 10 August 2013 23: 59 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Raptor75
                        Thanks, it was interesting to see.

                        hi
                      2. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 11 August 2013 00: 16 New
                        +2
                        Quote: MG42
                        it was interesting
                        Oh, that shaitan squad would be one shotcover
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 11 August 2013 00: 21 New
                        +4
                        Hi Lesh.
                      4. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 11 August 2013 00: 32 New
                        +1
                        Sasha, hi, the last shot on your video is valid good So put them on
                      5. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 11 August 2013 00: 34 New
                        +1
                        As they say, learn materiel laughing
                      6. igor67
                        igor67 11 August 2013 00: 37 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        As they say, learn materiel laughing

                        Sasha, and if he can’t read?
                      7. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 11 August 2013 00: 41 New
                        +3
                        Quote: igor67
                        and if he can’t read?
                        Then cover with all possible means, in order to
                      8. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 11 August 2013 00: 42 New
                        +3
                        That's what I did not think about laughing
                      9. igor67
                        igor67 11 August 2013 00: 50 New
                        +1
                        That's how the course goes wassat
                      10. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 11 August 2013 00: 51 New
                        +2
                        But there are more humane means. yes
                      11. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 11 August 2013 00: 59 New
                        +2
                        Another unknown page of history: The film is dedicated to the missing and dead.
                        in Afghan - Pakistani captivity by Soviet soldiers during the war 1979 - 1989
                        To participants in the uprising in the Badab camp in Pakistan
                        dead and surviving ...
                        Until the last dead soldier is buried
                        and the last prisoner of war of this war is not released
                        it is not considered complete ...

                        All the dead will forever live in our memory ...
                        Forgetting about them means putting everything into oblivion
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                      13. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 11 August 2013 01: 04 New
                        +1
                        Uprising at Badaber Camp, 26 - 27/04/1985
                        Documentary - 'Mutiny in the Underworld' (2009)
                        April 26 - 27, 1985 at Badaber camp
                        on Pakistani territory happened
                        armed uprising of the Soviet military,
                        captured by the Afghan mujahideen.
                      14. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 11 August 2013 01: 22 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Forgetting about them means putting everything into oblivion
                        I have the nearest store (right now there’s a beer restaurant, but it’s not so important), the fact is that inside there, in a most prominent place, was a portrait of a guy in a blue beret in a black frame, and the saleswomen said that this was the son of the store’s director .. Such here’s a touching living memory. And the store is located on Alexander Matrosov Street, such a succession (be it wrong, this war) Bright memory to all of them, what else can I say? Let these guys always have stars burning soldier
                      15. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 11 August 2013 01: 30 New
                        +2
                        Eternal memory to the guys, I remembered why, I was in the 2nd year, when according to the Vremya program they informed that our prisoners were fighting their way through Pakistan, the whole company had flown up, we could not understand why they could not be pulled out, because the whole army was there, it seemed to give us a command-go ahead and everyone would go, here we had such an impulse. Politics what would it be !!!!!!!!
                      16. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 11 August 2013 01: 42 New
                        0
                        Sasha, look, listen, remember
                      17. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 11 August 2013 01: 43 New
                        +1
                        Already buddy.
                      18. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 11 August 2013 01: 44 New
                        0
                        Internet crashes
                      19. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 11 August 2013 01: 51 New
                        +1
                        Nikolai Anisimov MI8 last monologue
                      20. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 11 August 2013 02: 05 New
                        0
                        interesting shots, compiled story
                      21. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 11 August 2013 02: 08 New
                        +1
                        ....................
                      22. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 11 August 2013 02: 25 New
                        0
                        Mi-8AMTSh Terminator
                      23. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 11 August 2013 02: 26 New
                        +1
                        Handsome, early "eight to rest.
  • George
    George 11 August 2013 01: 25 New
    0
    Quote: MG42

    At one time in the 80s, amers were well supplied with their "stingers".

    And then at an exorbitant price they bought them back. yes
  • Corsair
    Corsair 10 August 2013 21: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: MG42
    They gained many years of experience in the partisan struggle for several. decades

    Clickable Image:
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 10 August 2013 16: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Nevsky
    Considering that the Taliban were not supplied with new small arms and heavy weapons, and at the same time MANPADS with grenade launchers

    Now, if Brzezinski collaborated with Russia, all this could take place.
  • Remko
    Remko 11 August 2013 00: 44 New
    -5
    But at what pace you destroyed the villages, any drone will envy.
    1. Anti
      Anti 11 August 2013 00: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Remko
      But at what pace you destroyed the villages, any drone will envy.


      Who???

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQEzB7OOzNM
      1. Remko
        Remko 11 August 2013 15: 42 New
        -3
        Soviet Union!!
    2. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 11 August 2013 13: 05 New
      +1
      who tells you all this, the voice of America? so don’t listen, they all lie.
      1. Remko
        Remko 11 August 2013 15: 44 New
        -2
        Do you have to believe only ITAR TASS? Do you know how many Afghans died after the "international debt"? Has anyone told you about the victims among the Afghan people, or do you think that it was the US STATE DEPARTMENT that invented everything?
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 11 August 2013 17: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Remko
          ? Has anyone told you about the casualties among the Afghan people, or do you think that it was the US State Department who invented everything?

          And how many are dying now? And how many will die after the departure of NATO? And what, the USA will again have nothing to do with?
          And how many weapons the same State Department of Afghanistan put at that time. So the victims in that war and on his conscience.
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 11 August 2013 13: 01 New
    +1
    Where does this data come from? exactly from the US State Department.
    1. Remko
      Remko 11 August 2013 15: 45 New
      -2
      Well, spread your data about the dead among the Afghans!
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 11 August 2013 17: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Remko
        Well, spread your data about the dead among the Afghans!

        And NATO, led by the United States, why climb into every hole?
        1. Remko
          Remko 11 August 2013 20: 37 New
          -4
          Do not go away from the question, do you know how many died from your generous kindness in Afghanistan? Or the newspaper Pravda did not write about this?
          1. Arabist
            Arabist 11 August 2013 20: 42 New
            +2
            Something is hard to believe in your "sincere" suffering about the Afghan people. Afghans have many orders of magnitude better attitude towards Soviet troops than American ones.
            1. Remko
              Remko 12 August 2013 00: 20 New
              -5
              No matter how they treated the Soviets, most of all they drank grief precisely during the presence of Soviet troops. Here no one even bothered to remember the number of civilian deaths. And they killed about one and a half million - 1 people! NATO members, unlike the communists, did not wipe entire villages off the face of the earth!
              1. Lech from ZATULINKI
                Lech from ZATULINKI 12 August 2013 00: 25 New
                +3
                OUTDOOR LIES.
  • domokl
    domokl 10 August 2013 15: 14 New
    +4
    The Americans repeated the same mistake as the British, then we ... Only admit it a little later. In Asia, as it turned out, NATO and the United States can only bomb, but not fight ...
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 10 August 2013 15: 15 New
      +5
      .........................
      1. Force 83
        Force 83 11 August 2013 00: 28 New
        +2
        Throughout history, no one and no when. It is debatable before the British may not have been able. And we and the Americans can. the recipe is simple. If they wanted, they could have removed this humanism. The destruction of the entire civilian population of male and female and then populated by the Chinese.
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 11 August 2013 13: 14 New
          0
          The USSR note did not fight in Afghanistan, why many believe that there was a war. Find at least one evidence or document stating that the USSR fought a war against Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, there really was help to the government to restore stability. If the USA and NATO did not help the spirits, then peace in Afghanistan would be established back then in the 80s. Who will say unless this is a war when ours built expensively there and tunnels, schools and bakeries, factories and factories. Does anyone dare to call this a war? If it was a war it would be approximately like in Germany at 45.
          1. Remko
            Remko 11 August 2013 15: 49 New
            -1
            How did you restore order? First they changed the government, then they introduced tanks and then began to build schools and bakeries. And how would you act if the Americans would remove Putin, put some kind of Jew, and then start building the McDonalds on every corner?
            1. sergey72
              sergey72 11 August 2013 15: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: Remko
              they introduced tanks and then began to build schools and
              And you are not confusing anything, dear? Schools, bakeries, hydroelectric power plants, factories of the USSR in Afghanistan built long before the introduction of troops ..
              1. Remko
                Remko 11 August 2013 16: 20 New
                -6
                I know what was built during the monarchy, but why did you have to climb into the country? Where did you get a great desire to go into other people's affairs? Czechoslovakia, Hungary ...
                1. sergey72
                  sergey72 11 August 2013 16: 47 New
                  +1
                  [quote] [/ quote] [quote] [/ quote] And not only during, the last economical projects date back to 1986 ... The war in Afghanistan was de facto, and not least the USSR defended its investments. When introducing troops, special attention was paid to the protection of economic and industrial facilities of joint Soviet-Afghan cooperation. By the way, gas in then-Soviet Tajikistan was of Afghan origin. [Quote] [/ quote [quote] [/ quote]] We understand where from the results of World War II, and you?
                2. vladsolo56
                  vladsolo56 11 August 2013 19: 11 New
                  0
                  there is such an action as help, but you don’t understand it, you only see that the USSR used forceful decisions, and what you didn’t stubbornly notice before, in the same Hungary as before the Soviet troops were deployed, take an interest in how people were hanged, shot, cut. Well, yes, it was always possible for the Democrats, it is impossible for the Soviets.
                  1. Remko
                    Remko 11 August 2013 20: 35 New
                    -1
                    So the KGB officers were hanged and for the sake of their salvation they sent a tank armada from the Soviet Union.
                    1. vladsolo56
                      vladsolo56 12 August 2013 03: 45 New
                      0
                      Hungarians were slaughtered, Hungarians do not know not tryndi and not only secret service employees, they killed communists and their sympathizers, killed soldiers and policemen. And they did not just kill, but it was wildly atrocious. So your "people's" avengers are complete scumbags, accomplices of the fascists. and stop grumbling nonsense, your propaganda is complete. Tanks, by the way, did not come from the USSR in Hungary, our troops were deployed, only not in cities but in special regions, In general, before writing something, they would read eyewitness testimonies, and not from one side, but from both
            2. vladsolo56
              vladsolo56 11 August 2013 19: 07 New
              0
              compared McDonalds and for example roads and housing. If they built factories, schools and housing, then I would only be happy. and I wouldn’t kill those who build it for us
    2. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 10 August 2013 16: 38 New
      0
      the British and the USSR and the USA were mistaken only with warfare methods, but in principle they did everything right, since they consider themselves world powers ... but the difference between the current wars is LYCEPHEMISM and humanism.

      Here, for example, the Kyrgyz fought against the Russian Empire - they lost half a million people and millions of square kilometers of land distributed to Tajiks, Uzbeks, Uighurs, Chinese, and Kazakhs. And in our khanate there were still Uzbeks - they immediately got their upper legs and fled to the Bukhara khan and saved everything. Hypocritically betrayed us, and then were the Basmachi already joining the empire.
      Just before, the majority fought like the Kyrgyz: to the last blood, speaking on a united front, and if they were defeated then they already took everything for granted, and our khans to kill banditry among the people even killed their own sons (Kurmanjan Datka). And then calmly went through 50 years, to fight with the Germans as citizens of the country.
      The Afghans are fighting in the same way: they pretend that they are defeated, that they are peaceful - but they take out a knife from their bosoms at night (in principle, in the Caucasus, too). It is a Persian-Arabian nature. Here they are getting richer merchants and growing, and peoples like the Kyrgyz from the Yenisei are forced to move to the mountains on the outskirts of their former country.

      it’s interesting to watch Rambo’s film, it’s fighting against the USSR next to the Afghans, now I hope they’ll remove it as it’s fighting against the Taliban laughing Funny
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 10 August 2013 17: 39 New
        +4
        Quote: KG_patriot_last
        Here, for example, the Kyrgyz fought against the Russian Empire - they lost half a million people and millions of square kilometers of land distributed to Tajiks, Uzbeks, Uighurs, Chinese, and Kazakhs.


        Do you have territorial claims against your neighbors?
    3. knn54
      knn54 10 August 2013 17: 29 New
      +2
      domokl: Asia, as it turned out, NATO and the United States can only bomb, but not fight ...
      The failure of the North Atlantic alliance in this country raises doubts about the viability of NATO as a military organization.
  • volkodav
    volkodav 10 August 2013 15: 15 New
    +2
    I wonder how much they actually lost l \ s?
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 10 August 2013 15: 19 New
      11
      Below are the irrecoverable losses of NATO (coalition) troops in Afghanistan from 2001 to 2013 and during Operation Enduring Freedom. Well, ... Americans like to give beautiful names ...
      Here are the actual country statistics:

      USA - 2260 people.
      Great Britain - 444 people
      Canada - 159 people
      Spain - 90 people
      France - 88 people
      Germany - 57 people
      Italy - 52 people
      Denmark - 43 people
      Australia - 40 people.
      Poland - 40 people
      Georgia - 29 people
      Netherlands - 25 people
      Romania - 23 people
      Turkey - 15 people
      New Zealand - 11 people.
      Norway - 10 people
      Estonia - 9 people
      Hungary - 7 people
      Czech Republic - 5 people.
      Sweden - 5 people
      Latvia - 4 people
      Jordan - 2 people
      Portugal - 2 people
      Finland - 2 people
      South Korea - 2 people
      Albania - 1 person
      Belgium - 1 person
      Lithuania - 1 person
      United Arab Emirates - 1 pers.
      Slovakia - 1 person
      Montenegro - 1 person

      The total irretrievable losses of the Armed Forces of the coalition countries as of November 02.08.2013, 3431 amounted to XNUMX people.
      Losses of private military and security structures operating in the interests of the coalition amounted to 3006 people.
      Total irretrievable losses - 6437 people.
      The operation continues. Losses will still be ...
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 10 August 2013 15: 30 New
        +5
        They will not leave.

        If China comes to Afghanistan (most likely without troops), the Americans will have to maintain a certain number of reference points there, placing NATO and the "soldier of fortune" in them. However, this option will create more problems than it solves.
        1. experienced
          experienced 10 August 2013 15: 35 New
          +9
          Quote: Vadivak
          They will not leave.

          Recently it was infa that they found either oil or gas in Afghanistan. They will withdraw their troops, leave vassals like Georgia, which has recently announced that it is increasing its contingent in Afghanistan, at the same time will increase the number of PMCs and will guard the "puppet" deposits, along the way they will find some other minerals in the mountains and poppy fields will "spud ", because heroin is mainly going to Russia (double benefit). IMHO
          1. MG42
            MG42 10 August 2013 15: 48 New
            +7
            Quote: seasoned
            Recently, infa was that in Afghanistan, either oil or gas was found.

            Oil is 1,8 billion barrels in the north of Afghanistan, there are also minerals like gold, nickel, copper, iron .. And of course, opium brings in excess of profit, but it will be necessary to agree with local natives ..
            However, it is known that the largest private oil company in the world, ExxonMobile (USA), Dragon Oil (Saudi Arabia), Kuwait Energy (Kuwait), ONGC Videsh (India), Petra Energia (Brazil), Pakistan Petroleum (Pakistan), is fighting for Afghan oil, PTT (Thailand) and TPAO (Turkey). As you can see, there are enough people who want to get Afghan contracts. Moreover, the above are only those companies that were allowed to participate in the tender, and another 20 less successful players dropped out of it at the selection stage. And where is the ubiquitous China, you ask? China, represented by the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC), won a tender for the development of oil fields in the Amu Darya river basin last year. And it is precisely the interest of China, according to some reports, that made other players pay closer attention to Afghan oil.

          2. Tersky
            Tersky 10 August 2013 18: 48 New
            +3
            Quote: seasoned
            Recently, infa was that in Afghanistan, either oil or gas was found.

            That's right, Alexey is in Balkh province. In the Hindu Kush, reserves of lithium, iron, gold and copper were discovered with a value of more than one billion dollars. The Chinese were the first to arrive, having reserved for themselves Aynak, the world's largest copper deposit, in 2007, the Chinese state-owned China Metallurgical Group signed a 30-year contract worth $ 2,89 billion. Now in Afghanistan they fear the development of events, like in the Congo. There, the pursuit of the extraction of raw materials led to a struggle for power of local military leaders, then the development of events in Afghanistan will follow the scenario of the Congo, and you don't need to go to the grandmother ... So what about PMCs and "rodents" from the "partner (s) s" of the United States, you rights to all 100 drinks
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 10 August 2013 17: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: Vadivak
          If they leave for Afghanistan, China will come

          China is not the USA, they will come with money, they will not attack the American rake.
          As the old Afghan told us:
          We cannot be defeated, but we can be bought!
          East is a delicate matter.........
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 10 August 2013 15: 46 New
        +9
        Well, once talking about the numbers

        Loss of personnel of the ACSV (Limited contingent of Soviet troops in Afghanistan is 1537 people a year. About 35 citizens die every year in Russia in road traffic accidents.

        3677 US troops killed in Iraq in three years of hostilities
      3. Nevsky
        Nevsky 10 August 2013 15: 47 New
        +5
        American atrocities, real video:

        1. APASUS
          APASUS 10 August 2013 18: 57 New
          0
          Quote: Nevsky
          American atrocities, real video:

          Here are udotas, they shot a man and take pictures!
  • MG42
    MG42 10 August 2013 15: 25 New
    +6
    Therefore, the Alliance and the United States introducing their contingents into this territory cannot be called anything other than armed intervention. Another grin of Western “democracy” with undoubtedly far-reaching “humane” goals

    At one time, back in 1979, the USSR introduced a limited contingent of troops into Afghanistan, then, on the contrary, the Western media trumpeted who the aggressor was, and even tried to block the Olympic Games in Moscow in 1980 ..
    34 years have passed, more than one generation of mujahideen "spirits" has grown up who only know how to fight and grow opium along the way, and now NATO has stepped on the same rake, bearing losses ..
    No matter how you look at this US military adventure, in all respects it turns out that the Alliance forces suffered a resounding defeat.

    Perhaps the defeat was deafening in Vietnam, they themselves leave Afghanistan ... there are coffins under star-striped flames regularly fly to the USA .. as well as coalition members ..
    What will happen after leaving? The Taliban will reign supreme and an alliance with Pakistan ..
    1. MG42
      MG42 10 August 2013 22: 27 New
      +3
      A year ago, there was a leak to the press from a secret Pentagon report that the Taliban wanted to take power and that Pakistan was helping them >>
  • KBPC50
    KBPC50 10 August 2013 15: 25 New
    +3
    JANKS ARE GREEDY AND AT LEAST VERY GREEDY, EXACTLY A COPY of a hunchbacked bear, no matter where they go. !!!!!
  • Petrovich-2
    Petrovich-2 10 August 2013 15: 32 New
    +2
    NATO fangs fangs in the mountains of Afghanistan

    And what, this NATA once had fangs at all? )
    1. SPBOBL
      SPBOBL 10 August 2013 21: 43 New
      +1
      Nata's fangs were, but plush ....
  • Nevsky
    Nevsky 10 August 2013 15: 45 New
    +6
    Everybody watch from 6:36 laughing

    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 10 August 2013 15: 53 New
      +4
      The United States is in full swing preparing for the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, which is gradually turning into a huge dump of scrap metal. The Pentagon is destroying state-of-the-art military equipment and equipment, although the war has already cost more than $ 630 billion to American taxpayers.

      US Department of State officials say they are getting rid of equipment that they no longer need, or which will cost a lot to transport back to the USA. So, in particular, 2000 combat vehicles with protection against mines and ambushes, designed to protect the crew from bomb explosions on the roads, will go to scrap: Afghan scrap collection points are now busy, dismantling expensive equipment.



      When asked why the United States does not want to leave all this to the Afghan military, the American authorities respond evasively. One of the reasons they call is that they have already delivered lighter cars to Afghanistan, which are supposedly better suited to local roads.

      By the end of 2014, the US military will destroy $ 7 billion worth of equipment in Afghanistan and US troops will leave Afghanistan. Meanwhile, the Obama administration is trying to "find a political solution to the Taliban" ...
    2. rolik
      rolik 10 August 2013 17: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Nevsky
      Everybody watch from 6:36

      What is this play ????
  • Unknown
    Unknown 10 August 2013 15: 52 New
    +2
    No wonder ... Here it is true American democracy!
  • niecke
    niecke 10 August 2013 15: 55 New
    +2
    in Afghanistan, the war lasts for 200 years, and even with outdated weapons, the locals ideally fine-tuned tactics and strategy in their native conditions!
    1. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 11 August 2013 00: 55 New
      0
      In any country in the world, war has already lasted ETERNITY with interruptions to the world. No need to idealize Afghanistan.

      15000 for 10 years is certainly a pity for the guys, but strategically we can assume that the losses were small. It was suggested to us in the 90's that we left there beaten, in fact, the tasks were completed.
      the amers have the same thing in principle, they also have enough friends there (of course for the money), don’t need to hit into naked propaganda.

      the goal of the Afghans is to inflict such damage that the internal population of the country itself puts pressure on the leadership to defeat. so atrocities that the Queen of Britain, the American schoolboy and Russian grandmother were horrified. they were taught this from the outside.

      if Macedonian, Chyngyzkhan and so on cried for every soldier, then they would be nobody. The same thing about the commanders of white Americans and Russian tsars.

      Another thing is that the positions of the British themselves, Russians and Americans were weak.
      The British wanted a colony - but where are all their colonies now? Independent countries.
      The Russians wanted a friendly regime - where is it now?
      The Americans repeated exactly the mistake of the previous ones.

      If you are going to fight, you need to set a clear goal: either to occupy or join your country or destroy. You can’t invade a foreign country for 10 years without a clear goal. You can for example on 3 month. Invaded, destroyed and said - guys, if it happens again, I will return. And so on, until the sheikhs become silk ...
  • MG42
    MG42 10 August 2013 16: 01 New
    +5
    A car driver accidentally witnessed the crash of an American company National Air Cargo at the Bagram military base in Afghanistan. All who were on board the Boeing 747-400BCF transport liner died.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 10 August 2013 16: 15 New
      +6
      Afghan about the armies of Russia, Great Britain and NATO (USA
  • 12345
    12345 10 August 2013 16: 28 New
    +6
    ... the final withdrawal of the Alliance forces is scheduled for 2014 ...


    Again, the "common people" shit: they raised and raised another monster.

    Shit - and go. And, the monster will now bared its fangs all over Central Asia. And, then on "Tatarstan with Bashkortostan".

    And, it seems to us, for THEM, again - they will have to clean ...
  • individual
    individual 10 August 2013 16: 32 New
    +6
    Quote:
    "But this did not bother Western civilization, they were worried only about their own losses. And they lost 3000 soldiers and officers."

    Why do not analysts say what losses NATO and the United States would suffer if Russia, as the US CIA used to help the Afghans with weapons and special advisers ?!
    I guess the losses are innumerable! bully
  • individual
    individual 10 August 2013 16: 38 New
    0
    Afghanistan is always a warring country, their tribes are only able to fight and rob.
    Third countries have nothing to do there.
  • DmitriRazumov
    DmitriRazumov 10 August 2013 16: 48 New
    +5
    The entry of troops was code-named "Enduring Freedom." The operation set itself 3 super tasks: the destruction of bin Laden, the destruction of the Taliban and the complete destruction of al-Qaeda.

    It is not at all clear how it is possible to solve the listed combat missions, when the entire package of "military" actions is reduced to bombing from high heights of mountains and deserts, unceasing concern for the supply of "pee-pee fax" and other "valuable" military supplies to NATO camps, which ... in fact, they are shelters for NATO fighters who do not want to get out of there under any guise.
    NATO dealt an invincible blow to its fictitious image. so actively created in the West by their PR services. As it turned out, the brave Soldaten not only do not know how to fight, but also do not want to learn how to do it properly. But what they succeeded in was creating and fertilizing the soil with their money for various drug trafficking, the slave trade, and other delights that. previously not present in Afghanistan in such impressive volumes.
    The USSR and the SA built schools and roads, tried to somehow raise the level of the local population with the help of at least some kind of education and elements of civilization. These same "civilized" democrats raised bandits and other marginalized people ...
  • Simon
    Simon 10 August 2013 16: 57 New
    +1
    God grant that these fangs would no longer grow and be very sick. lol
  • kanevsvv
    kanevsvv 10 August 2013 17: 00 New
    +4
    Moreover, they are well aware of how a group of Soviet troops in Afghanistan came out of the same country in an organized, coherent and lossless manner, with deployed military banners. Just have something to compare.

    Plus, we managed to build a lot and leave it to the Afghans. Amer will not leave anything (even their equipment was cut into scrap metal), they will run away first, leaving their NATO "brothers" in the rearguard to finish off.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 10 August 2013 17: 14 New
    +4
    In Afghanistan, the Americans and NATO will leave the same "legacy" that they left in Iraq, Libya, and other countries where they "introduced" democracy: mass terror, chaos, destroyed infrastructure, the prosperity of the drug trade. And NATO and Yankees will leave the country like bandits, hiding behind the curtain of the night. There is nothing to advertise. Their whole hyped "fight against terrorism" has completely failed! The huge number of casualties among civilians, Afghan guerrillas and NATO troops is down the drain. But knowledgeable people warned the Yankees: don't go there, you won't succeed. Blinded by the belief in the "might" of the American army, they climbed into Afghanistan. They got it in the face and come back ingloriously. After Korea, Vietnam, the US gets another inglorious "victory" And it serves it right!
  • Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 10 August 2013 17: 40 New
    +2
    The fact of the matter is that they themselves did not build anything, but only gouged what was built before them.
  • Atash
    Atash 10 August 2013 17: 40 New
    +3
    Perhaps they are leaving so that the Taliban will begin to move north, to Kazakhstan at least. Then the territory of chaos will increase and they will return to carry chestnuts from the fire.
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 10 August 2013 17: 58 New
    +4
    In Latin America, a coca leaf was struck by some kind of disease (they wrote on our website). I thought earlier, we probably have some kind of biological laboratory, why not come up with some kind of disease for heroin-containing plants in Agan. They composed oil-eating germs. This flow of drugs directly relates to our safety, something needs to be invented.
  • Mikola
    Mikola 10 August 2013 18: 16 New
    -4
    Eduard Migley (what an interesting Russian surname))), I forgot to sprinkle NATO's head with ashes to write all the "joy" for Russia when NATO gets out of Afghanistan and the Taliban begins to "communicate" with Russian border guards at the border - spreading the infection of radical Islam across Central Asia ... Inciting the Russians to neglect cooperation with NATO, Edward will take responsibility for the CORPSES of Russians on the Afghan border ?!
  • Russkiy_Prapor
    Russkiy_Prapor 10 August 2013 19: 24 New
    +3
    How to distinguish an American special forces soldier from an ordinary US Army soldier? It's very simple: according to the location, only a special forces soldier can walk without a helmet, because he is "cool".))) And all the other US servicemen walk in full ammunition: because if a finger cuts, but at the same time is without a helmet, then they will not receive insurance) ))
  • waisson
    waisson 10 August 2013 19: 30 New
    +2
    NATO is not the first to recall how many fangs remained there before the USSR - Rome - English - now Amers
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 10 August 2013 20: 17 New
    +3
    Here is the news.
    A. Averchenko has a wonderful idiom "razor in jelly", and so, this is completely suitable for Afghanistan.
  • kabalero
    kabalero 10 August 2013 20: 35 New
    +1
    ... Ilyich is right when he wrote about 300% ...
    s1n7t (5)
    A small clarification - not Ilyich, but Karl Marx in his main work "Capital".
  • VkadimirEfimov1942
    VkadimirEfimov1942 10 August 2013 20: 36 New
    0
    "Another grin of Western" democracy "with undoubtedly far-reaching" humane "goals >> failed again! Nice to read it. This is not Iraq for them, although they were also "raped" there. I hope they will subside for a while, at least I would like to. The striped stars are accustomed to "raking in the heat with someone else's hands", they may not calm down ...
  • annenkov242
    annenkov242 10 August 2013 21: 38 New
    +2
    Amerov Hajj or NATO in Afghanistan, this is a comprehensive operation, is being prepared for the destruction of Russia.
  • serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 10 August 2013 22: 09 New
    0
    He imagined how they were leaving Afghanistan under a star-striped flag on the head armored personnel carrier !!! Obvious, incredible.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 10 August 2013 22: 17 New
      +1
      Lithuanian military leaves Afghanistan with their heads held high in all three of their jeeps. laughing
  • robinson
    robinson 10 August 2013 22: 47 New
    +4
    Just have something to compare.

    Of course there is something to compare with. The Soviets in Afghanistan were called "shuravi", that is, identifying as their own, interpreting the power of the Soviets as the power of the "shura", a completely understandable and close to the local concept. There were enemies, there were friends, but both of them relied not on "their own stranger" but on their specific position. We had many sincere supporters there, as time has shown. The abandoned power in Afghanistan lasted longer than the USSR, and was lost for the same reasons as the USSR. Just stupid betrayal.

    I think that that naive, as it seems to many now, belief in good has paid off handsomely. Repeatedly. Just stupidly beneficial.
  • gura
    gura 10 August 2013 23: 14 New
    -1
    From Minsk. It seems to me that it is more dear to Russia to gloat over the withdrawal of NATO troops from Afghanistan. Now all this illiterate, stupid, evil force will look for a new piece of bread and butter. And, I'm afraid, its vector of power is north. And what is there, you do not need to explain. To create a full-fledged zone of the ruble, as opposed to the zones "Euro", "Dollar", Russia needs a territory with at least 200 million people. Only in this way, in the long term, it can survive as a state. Compare the economy, the Armed Forces, allies, two other political heavyweights, the United States (316 million people, 6,2 Russian GDP) and the European Union (508 million people and 6,4 Russian GDP) Therefore, Russia will by all means keep in its orbit the Central Asia. This is one of the reasons for Russia's seemingly incomprehensible migration policy. This is the economic linkage of the countries of Central Asia, the former Soviet republics. That is, military assistance is ahead, with all the ensuing consequences. God forbid you.
  • robinson
    robinson 10 August 2013 23: 14 New
    +2
    I remember there was a situation in the theme of the topic: we go into the village, a big operation is underway, the locals are standing on the side of the road, they say they’re welcoming, they had enough of the same politicians. So dull, tense. And then a chicken flies on the road! Such a skinny long legged Afghan chicken. A current of some kind of bacha jerked after her, in a second it flies through the body with a grenade without a fuse, two fighters synchronously jump from the armor, one takes a grenade, the other chicken, and back to the armor! With the Afghans hysteria, they are in happiness! They realized that real fighters came to protect them. Something like this.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 10 August 2013 23: 46 New
    +2
    Hmm. Of course they withdraw contingent. But what will be left behind? I hope our government is smart enough not to push money back into Afghanistan. But on the account of the genocide of poppy plantations, you need to think ... as if we had no military biochemistry left.
  • Humen
    Humen 11 August 2013 08: 05 New
    +1
    And it goes without saying that NATO cannot control either this fatal process, which is gaining strength, or drug trafficking along the “northern route” to Central Asia.


    And in my opinion, they just control it.
  • Siberian
    Siberian 11 August 2013 08: 32 New
    +1
    The withdrawal of troops in a year is motivated by the fact that during this time the Afghan army will be so strong that it can independently solve all the problems in the country. Dubious argument.
    EVEN AWESOME Doubtful.
  • Siberian
    Siberian 11 August 2013 08: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Humen
    And it goes without saying that NATO cannot control either this fatal process, which is gaining strength, or drug trafficking along the “northern route” to Central Asia.


    And in my opinion, they just control it.

    Even as they control. There they have officials with big Stars on the topic of making money on drugs, move well! And do not care for them the lives of ordinary soldiers.
  • Basil123
    Basil123 11 August 2013 09: 05 New
    0
    Quote: Dimy4
    Ours, instead of recalling "offenses", airfields provide.

    let everything sit there correctly and give the airdrome and sell turntables and let them sit there and scum while they are stuck in Afghanistan they don’t really want to climb somewhere
  • shinobi
    shinobi 11 August 2013 09: 23 New
    +1
    They will leave, but we will have to rake the mess after them. As long as America exists in its former form, Russia's best friend is the army and navy.
  • Tykta
    Tykta 11 August 2013 09: 42 New
    +3
    the article is not just stupid due to rhetoric, moreover it is harmful. The author does not notice at point blank that, in addition to drug trafficking, military structures and residents of NATO countries and a number of special services were consolidated into the leadership of drug cartels providing real power and influence in the region. all this is preparatory work in the upcoming scenario of World War 3, where the same forces are destined for an invasion of Central Asia, not noticing this is a crime and misinformation, the author carefully circumvents the corners that are not comfortable and wraps around the Afghans' pan-Islamism and defeated American moods, broke off fangs and so on. NATO has fulfilled its task - it has strengthened the Afghans' military and political power and have coordination with them on the issue of both drug trafficking and influence, essentially the task has been completed. I will explain later in the article
  • de bouillon
    de bouillon 11 August 2013 09: 46 New
    +5
    childish naivety winked

    why the hell did some people decide that the Taliban would stop producing and exporting heroin?
    forgot the 90s?

    Mujahideen initially controlled or received considerable interest from the cultivation and turnover of opium. Because it is money, but money can be fought.

    take a look at the graph. This is from the article: "Afghanistan: US Drugs and Politics"
    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL32686.pdf

    in September 96, the Taliban took Kabul and formed the state of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. According to the schedule, we see how quickly the opium poppy crop grew, and in 1997 the trend continued. In 1999, we see a record growth of 4600 tons !!! This is twice as much as in 1996. By the way, they’ll break this record. only in 2006.

    We see a sharp drop only in 2001. Here is the most interesting. All and sundry talk about the struggle of the Taliban with poppy fields. Yes, they really fought and it all started in 2001. but but wink why is it suddenly in 2001, production growth fell sharply?

    There is only one answer - the Taliban banned the cultivation of opium poppy and destroyed all poppy crops. That's just why they decided on such a step, the demagogues are modestly silent.

    So, the Taliban did this for one simple reason - they were paid. And the Americans paid them. Yes, it is precisely those Americans who, according to demagogues, invaded Afghanistan to take control of drug trafficking.

    there is such an article from May 2001 at NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-poppy-a-success-us-aide

    s-say.html

    transfer:

    US data confirms reports United Nations International Drug Control Programs that Afghanistan, which shipped about three-quarters of the world's opium and most of its heroin goes to Europe, stopped poppy planting in one season.

    But the eradication of poppy was achieved at a terrible price for peasant families, and experts say that it is not known whether the Taliban will be able to continue to carry it out until the autumn planting season.

    And so that the Taliban could continue this work, they urgently need help. But how? That's how. I quote the same article:

    The Taliban’s sudden turn, which surprised international drug experts when reports of near-total elimination began to arrive earlier this year, pave the way for US assistance to Afghan peasants who have stopped planting poppies.

    Secretary of State Colin Powell announced Thursday that he had allocated a $ 43 million grant of additional emergency assistance to Afghanistan to cope with the effects of a prolonged drought. The United States has become Afghanistan’s largest drought relief donor.

    “We will continue to look for ways to provide more assistance to Afghans,” he said in a statement, “including farmers who have felt the impact of the poppy ban, a decision by the Taliban that we welcome.”

    In short, the Americans simply paid the Taliban for stopping the production of drugs, and what happened next? And then the fun began.

    All progressive mankind was delighted to be delighted that the Taliban had stopped producing opium, but few noticed that despite a sharp decline in production, drug sales almost did not fall.
  • de bouillon
    de bouillon 11 August 2013 09: 57 New
    +3
    and now again from "Afghanistan: Narcotics and US Policy"
    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL32686.pdf

    There is a page under the number CRS-4, which shows a graph of opium production, and under the graph the following is written (I quote verbatim):

    The Taliban banned opium poppy cultivation in areas under their control in 2001 but allowed opium trafficking to continue.

    Translation:

    The Taliban banned the cultivation of opium poppy in areas under their control in 2001, but allowed continued illicit trafficking in opium.

    And again the question arises - how could this happen? And again, the answer to this question is very simple.

    The fact is that by the time the Taliban had a huge amount of unsold drugs in their warehouses, and the ban on production only helped the Taliban sell these stocks at a much higher price, as a result of a reduction in production, drug prices have risen sharply. And when the drought ended, the drugs from the warehouses were sold out, the Taliban did not give a damn about all their previous bans and took up the old. Thus, the Taliban divorced Americans as suckers, while killing three birds with one stone:

    Received money from the Americans.
    They sold drugs from warehouses at a much higher price.
    Suckers all over the world believed that the Taliban are really struggling with drug production.


    Therefore, I find it funny to read the nonsense of some idiots who write something like - "Here the Americans leave Afghanistan, the Taliban will take power again and again banned the production of drugs" - AHA, SHCHAS !!!
  • de bouillon
    de bouillon 11 August 2013 10: 00 New
    +2
    and this, by the way, lovers masturbate to the Taliban and their associates, of whom there are many on this resource

    I propose to get acquainted with the Snga Mujahideen of Afghanistan Badr at-Tauhid https://www.facebook.com/badrstudio

    there they have a link to a channel on YouTube by tsjetsjen. very well expresses thoughts about Russians, what he thinks about us:

    There is no place for dirty Russian-Slavic shit-mongers, your filthy tongue proves once again that your religion is from Satan !!! Die from your anger towards the Muslims !!! Let there be a curse of the Most High Lord on all godless Russian creatures !!!


    here the United States will leave .. America is far away, and we are near. Think about what will begin next to our borders. smacks of 90s again.
  • Alex-z84
    Alex-z84 11 August 2013 10: 46 New
    +2
    I see no reason to be happy! On the one hand, it is good that NATO is losing, but on the other hand, are those who are fighting against NATO and these are Wahhabi fanatics, are they friends of Russia! Since some enemies of Russia and Christianity defeat other enemies, and the former are even more fierce. One should rejoice if NATO would be bogged down there for decades, incurring losses and at the same time destroying the Wahhabist fundamentalists, if there were no winners there, this would be a real victory for Russia! Where are the hordes of `` winners '' going to Tajikistan, Syria, Iraq, Chechnya !?
    1. de bouillon
      de bouillon 11 August 2013 11: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: Alex-z84
      I see no reason for joy! On the one hand, it’s good that NATO is losing, and on the other, are those who fight against NATO and these are Wahhabi fanatics, are they friends of Russia! Since some enemies of Russia and Christianity defeat other enemies, the first even more fierce. It’s necessary to rejoice if NATO would be stuck there for losses of life and at the same time destroy Wahhabi fundamentalists, if there were no winners, this would be a real victory for Russia!



      the most dangerous thing for Russia is that these Mujahideen are now knee-deep in the ocean. They boldly declare: We defeated the Russians, We defeat the Americans, We defeated the whole west.

      at the same time, the Taliban united around themselves a large international Mujahideen. Especially from the CIS countries, they have gained enormous military experience, they have weapons and money.

      after leaving, NATO certainly will not plant cucumbers
    2. niecke
      niecke 11 August 2013 11: 03 New
      0
      your reasoning is very sound! but for nothing better, let it be at least so ... the enemy of my enemy is almost not my enemy?
      1. Alex-z84
        Alex-z84 11 August 2013 11: 12 New
        0
        Quote: niecke
        your reasoning is very sound! but for nothing better, let it be at least so ... the enemy of my enemy is almost not my enemy?

        In this situation, unfortunately the opposite is true. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy ...
  • de bouillon
    de bouillon 11 August 2013 11: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: Nevsky
    American atrocities, real video:



    one has unloading

    then they shot in the case
    1. Alex-z84
      Alex-z84 11 August 2013 11: 19 New
      +1
      Yeah, I also have `` peaceful '' young TALIBS)))
  • de bouillon
    de bouillon 11 August 2013 11: 17 New
    0
    Quote: robinson
    I remember there was a situation in the theme of the topic: we go into the village, a big operation is underway, the locals are standing on the side of the road, they say they’re welcoming, they had enough of the same politicians. So dull, tense. And then a chicken flies on the road! Such a skinny long legged Afghan chicken. A current of some kind of bacha jerked after her, in a second it flies through the body with a grenade without a fuse, two fighters synchronously jump from the armor, one takes a grenade, the other chicken, and back to the armor! With the Afghans hysteria, they are in happiness! They realized that real fighters came to protect them. Something like this.


    maybe enough of a war to compose a children's story. in a war they’re killed first.

    so no one bothered to explain why the Afghans so fiercely resisted their happiness. Socialist happiness? they explain more precisely, but their explanations, as always, boil down to the fact that these are the machinations of America. However, there is a different opinion.

    I quote:

    The army began to lose authority and support among the Afghan people, as in pursuit of victory, quicker and at any cost decisions were repeatedly made on the use of long-range aviation, GRAD arena systems that wiped out villages with all residents, including old people and children, from the face of the earth.

    This is how the most respected Soviet man in Afghanistan, with whose hands so much was done to improve the quality of life of the Afghan people, turned into a killer and an enemy.

    Who do you think I quoted? Probably some liberal that the State Department pays? You are mistaken

    If something is wrong - it’s not our business, as they say - the Motherland ordered ”...
    ... Jalalabad's "duty" target was the nearby village of Ada, from where they were constantly shooting at the airfield. The helicopter pilots did not remain in debt and, in the end, wiped this village into dust. The same fate awaited many villages near the airbases: a constant exchange of strikes and "cleaning of the area" left in their place deserted ruins, dry irrigation canals and burnt fields.



    captain Vladimir Osipenko
    (Chief of Staff of the 3rd Battalion of the 357th Parachute Regiment of the 103rd Airborne Division, Shahjoy, 1984-1986)
    ... A typical picture - the column is marching past a friendly village. Everyone knows - we have peace with "these", they won't shoot. We drove relaxed, waving our hands, throwing packs of biscuits to the bochats - their barefoot boys.

    Suddenly, unexpectedly, two or three shots from a grenade launcher point-blank: screams, pain, blood, burning armor and everything ... Throughout the village and everything that moves there, there is fire from all the barrels, and no one is looking, "our" he or no. And there are the same children, old people, women ...


    http://afgan-war-soldiers.narod.ru/crime-099.html
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 11 August 2013 13: 25 New
      +1
      where is this nonsense from? tell me? do you think the inhabitants of this village? Any stranger he is only approaching in the village are aware of this. And if he came with a weapon and bad intentions he will not be allowed. Or do you think the inhabitants of the village did not know that in response to the shots they would also be shot at? shorter story for fools who do not know how to think.
  • de bouillon
    de bouillon 11 August 2013 11: 24 New
    +2
    Danes and 5 Taliban in a ditch

  • Alex-z84
    Alex-z84 11 August 2013 11: 30 New
    +2
    By the way, from a military point of view, there is no Wahhabi victory over NATO and cannot be! It’s just that NATO lost its benefits in this war and tired of investing huge amounts of money in maintaining the troops, that’s all the reason for their departure in a different scenario with their military potential and resources, they could acupunate Afghanistan for at least a thousand years. War for the West must be profitable, otherwise they lose all interest in it!
  • de bouillon
    de bouillon 11 August 2013 11: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: Alex-z84
    By the way, from a military point of view, there is no Wahhabi victory over NATO and cannot be! It’s just that NATO lost its benefits in this war and tired of investing huge amounts of money in maintaining the troops, that’s all the reason for their departure in a different scenario with their military potential and resources, they could acupunate Afghanistan for at least a thousand years. War for the West must be profitable, otherwise they lose all interest in it!


    I think Afghanistan will be defeated by the army that will fight there, like the Roman legions of Guy Julius Caesar in Gaul.

    but at the present time this is not possible to imagine in the era of the media, liberalism and tolerance
  • mithridate
    mithridate 11 August 2013 13: 08 New
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    NATO and mattresses are not soldiers