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The first victories of Soviet aviation in Korea

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Sixty years ago, the Korean War ended. One of the most interesting and at the same time ambiguous aspects of this conflict was air battles. For a number of reasons, even now it is impossible to accurately establish the loss ratio of the parties and, as a result, to correctly assess the tactics of actions of various units. Various sources refer to a variety of figures, based both on documents of the time and “grown up” on the specific political situation of the first years of the Cold War. Therefore, even in Western publications, which are difficult to suspect in sympathy for the Soviet, Chinese or North Korean pilots, there is a variety of information. Thus, in various books and articles there are estimates of the loss ratio from 2: 1 in favor of the USSR, China and North Korea to the success of UN pilots at the level of 20: 1.



MiG-15 - the "workhorse" of Soviet pilots in Korea


Against the background of disputes over the exact numbers of downed and damaged aircraft, another equally important topic often remains undisclosed. It is not hard to guess that the final figures of victories and losses were not formed immediately. Pilots on both sides of the front had to learn to fight with each other, and such training took weeks, months, and dozens of combat missions. Therefore, during the first months of the war, each new victory in the air was the result of the use of new tactical finds and pans, because of which it had a particularly interesting character. Let us recall the first achievements of the Soviet pilots, which gave impetus to further successes in the air war over the Korean Peninsula.

First, remember who exactly fought on the side of North Korea. In the first weeks of the war, in the middle of the summer of 1950, the air forces of the Korean People’s Army were frankly weak. Only about 38 aircraft of various types were based at aerodromes north of the 150th parallel. UN troops, in turn, had an order of magnitude larger air fleet. In this regard, already in the fall of that year, the North Korean command turned to the Soviet Union for help. In November 1950, the 64th fighter was formed. aviation corps (iak), whose goal was to cover the territory of friendly China from raids by UN aviation, including the American one. In less than three years, as part of the 64th Jacob, 12 fighter air divisions waged war. About a year after the creation of the 64th Corps, in December 1951, two Chinese fighter divisions appeared in Korea. In the spring of next year, they and the first North Korean fighter air division were brought into the United Air Army.


American B-29 Superfortress Bomber Over Target, 1951 Year


After the appearance of Soviet MiG-15 fighters over Korea, the situation in the air changed dramatically. In just a few weeks, the United States and UN aircraft almost completely disengaged from the few North Korean air forces and felt like the only air hostess. However, in December, the Soviet pilots from 64-iak in practice showed what self-confidence and carelessness can turn into. In the afternoon of November 1, a few weeks before the official formation of the fighter air corps, the pilots of the 72 Guards Fighter Wing made their first combat sortie during the Korean War. Five pilots on the MiG-15 under the command of Major Stroykov attacked a group of American piston fighters P-51 Mustang with the expected result - Senior Lieutenant Chizh opened the scoring for Soviet victories. There is also information about the F-80 Shooting Star fighter shot down the same day.

In Western literature, the fact of the destruction of the November 1 1950 of the F-80 fighter is not recognized. Most often it is claimed that this plane was damaged by anti-aircraft gunners and fell. Moreover, the first weeks of the combat work of the 64 th fighter corps in foreign sources are most often described literally in a couple of lines. Probably, the fact is that due to the absence of a serious opponent, the Soviet pilots actively shot down the Americans. Naturally, such facts, especially during the Cold War, were not disclosed in the West. Because of this, the main narrative of the air war in Korea in foreign literature often begins only with later events.

Shortly after the first combat departure, an account of losses was opened. Already on November 9 there was an air battle, the results of which are not subject to doubts on both sides. On the morning of this day, American planes bombed the bridge over the Yalu River. A group of attack aircraft covered fighter F9F Panther. To protect the object, 13 fighters from 15 and 28 fighter air divisions (iad) arrived to the area. Probably, not seeing all the forces of the enemy, the Soviet pilots attacked the attack aircraft, dropping bombs on the bridge. Because of this, the American fighter jets F151F were able to unexpectedly approach, smash the MiG-9 formation and shoot down the commander of the 15 squadron, Captain M. Grachev. Lieutenant W. Emen, taking a position advantageous for the attack, fired almost until Grachev crashed into the mound.

On the same day, November 9, the pilots N. Podgorny from the 67 regiment and A. Bordun from the 72 th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment (IAP) scored the first victories over long-range B-29 Superfortress bomber. Subsequently, the fighters of the USSR, China and North Korea shot down, according to various sources, from a dozen and a half to 70 of such aircraft.

Seeing the serious losses of the old piston and obsolete jet aircraft, the American command already in December 1950 transferred the newest F-86 Saber fighters to Korea. This step eventually led to the expected result. A confirmation of the correctness of sending to the Sabreb war is the fact that four dozen (all but one) American aces pilots who scored five or more victories flew just such fighters.


F-86 Saber - the main opponent of the Soviet "Migov"


The first collision of the most advanced fighters of the time - the MiG-15 and F-86 - was the 17 of December 1950 of the year. Unfortunately, this fight ended not in favor of the Soviet pilots. US Air Force Lieutenant B. Hinton shot down Major J. Efromeenko from the 50 Air Division. Just a few days later, on December 21, Captain Yurkevich (29-th Guards Fighter Wing) regained its favor with the Americans, knocking down the first F-86. However, according to American documents, the first Saber was lost the next day.

December 22 held several fairly large-scale air battles with the participation of F-86 and MiG-15, received abroad the general name "Big day of UN pilots". During the day, pilots from both sides conducted several air battles, according to the results of which their personal accounts in total increased by five F-86 and six MiG-15. It is worth noting that these numbers turned out to be erroneous. In fact, on that day only two Soviet and one American fighter were lost. Such erroneous estimates of the number of downed aircraft are a constant problem of any air battles. However, the December 22 fights differed in that they were the first major clashes of the newest fighters of the USSR and the USA. It was the events of this day that had a great influence on the entire subsequent course of the war in the air of Korea.

December 24 Commander 1 Squadron 29 th Iap Captain S.I. Naumenko in two battles shot down one American fighter Saber. Returning to the airfield after the second battle, Naumenko had five victories to his credit. Thus, Captain S. Naumenko became the first Soviet ace in the Korean War. In May of the following year, the pilot was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union.

The first victories of Soviet aviation in Korea
Hero of the Soviet Union S.I. Naumenko


In the future, the first of its kind achievements of the Soviet pilots began to appear less and less. For example, the first night air battle victory took place only in the late spring of 1952. By this time, US heavy bombers were flying exclusively at night, which made it difficult to intercept. At the end of May, the 52 th major A. Karelin (351-iap) during the night flight accurately hit the B-29 bomber. The enemy aircraft was in the rays of anti-aircraft searchlights and did not notice the attack of the Soviet fighter. According to some sources, six months later, in November 52, Karelin received precise guidance on the American bomber and even hooked it, mashing several parts of the fuselage. After hitting the arrows opened fire and revealed themselves. It was the last flight of that B-29.

Finally, in February 1953, A.M. Karelin became the first Soviet ace with five wins exclusively at night. This time the battle turned out to be very difficult: the arrows of the B-29 bomber seriously damaged the Soviet pilot's MiG-15. Karelin, having shot down the enemy plane, returned to his airfield with the engine stopped. In the fighter found almost 120 holes, 9 of which were in the cockpit. The pilot himself was not injured. After this departure, Karelin was banned from flying to combat missions, and soon the regiment was sent home to the Soviet Union. In July, 53, A. Karelin became the Hero of the Soviet Union.


Hero of the Soviet Union A.M. Karelin


According to the Soviet side, during the Korean War, pilots of the 64 Fighter Aviation Corps made over 64 thousand fly-away flights and conducted almost 1900 air battles. In these battles, UN troops lost about 1100 aircraft, including 651 F-86. Corps anti-aircraft artillery destroyed 153 aircraft (40 "Sabre"). For comparison, the Korean and Chinese pilots completed 22 thous. Sorties and 366 once participated in the battles. Pilots of the United Air Force destroyed the enemy's 271 aircraft, including the 181 F-86.

These colossal figures relating to the combat work of the Soviet pilots 64 th, did not appear immediately. For several years in a row, pilots flew every day on missions and gradually increased the number of combat sorties, battles and victories. Each list of such events began with a battle or victory gained by the forces of a very specific pilot. Unfortunately, such aspects of the Korean War are being covered, studied and discussed not as actively as the already urgent questions about the exact number of aircraft that were shot down.


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  1. Gregazov
    Gregazov 7 August 2013 07: 11 New
    23
    Article plus. The author is right, no one will know the exact number of victories. The Americans will never admit defeat in air battles over Korea, but the glory of our MiGs and their worldwide recognition was the result of these battles.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 8 August 2013 08: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: GregAzov
      Article plus. The author is right, no one will know the exact number of victories. The Americans will never admit defeat in air battles over Korea, but the glory of our MiGs and their worldwide recognition was the result of these battles.


      - Well, we will not say "never" - wait and see. And the fact that the global (and American including) ordinary public spits on the American propaganda emphasis of Goebbels ’society is a fact. Even at the Pin-dos forums dedicated to the Korean War, the Americans themselves make fun of their fools who, by stupidity, start wrapping pearls, supposedly like "we piled on Russians there." Answers to these zauhabi usually follow immediately - like, go learn the equipment and don’t carry a blizzard here, if the Asians were knocking anyone down, and the Russians were not at all like the State Department was talking about it, and so it’s clear to everyone that they won there air.
      So the world is far from sober people, and frankly glad that there are sensible and adequate people in the camp of the enemies.
  2. atomic
    atomic 7 August 2013 07: 13 New
    +8
    Our Air Force has always been the best. Loop, cobra, bell, pancakes and other aerobatics are exactly Russian names.
    1. don.kryyuger
      don.kryyuger 7 August 2013 09: 47 New
      +5
      What does the pancakes have to do with it? If the plane is an old model, then no bells will help in battle.
  3. papik09
    papik09 7 August 2013 07: 17 New
    13
    Our MiGs and their Sabers, cars, are about the same class, if you notice. So that the glories of glory cannot be attributed only to MiGs. Indeed, thanks to a worthy adversary, MiGs excelled. The article is an unconditional plus.
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 7 August 2013 20: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: papik09
      Our MiGs and their Sabers, cars, are about the same class, if you notice. So that the glories of glory cannot be attributed only to MiGs. Indeed, thanks to a worthy adversary, MiGs excelled. The article is an unconditional plus.

      So about one class, but not electronics. Here was the most significant drawback.
      1. tomket
        tomket 7 August 2013 21: 06 New
        0
        what nafig electronics on saber? what are you talking about?
        1. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 8 August 2013 09: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: tomket
          what nafig electronics on saber? what are you talking about?

          And you take an interest and compare.
        2. KORESH80
          KORESH80 8 August 2013 09: 46 New
          +6
          Why minus Tomket? In those generations of fighters, electronics did not play a big role, because there was nothing special there. They flew without radar. The only thing that happened on Sabre was the radio range finder. When Mig-15 and F-86 are compared, they usually consider: 1. armament-guns against machine guns; 2. LTX - rate of climb, ceiling, maneuverability, ...; 3. Visibility - amers always talk about the best ergonomics of their cab, etc.
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 12 August 2013 15: 50 New
            0
            "The only thing that happened on Sabre was the radio range finder."
            This is the only thing that was the headache of our pilots. There is a doc film, "How One Lieutenant Stopped the War." There, this topic is very interesting and detailed. see at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLV9dMjBReI
  4. Trailer
    Trailer 7 August 2013 08: 08 New
    +5
    It was a good time.
  5. Hleb
    Hleb 7 August 2013 08: 12 New
    30
    military tales:
    "Pilots Li Si Tsyn and Si Ni Tsin answer the correspondent’s question, what difficulties did they have to overcome when fighting in Korea:
    “It was especially difficult to squint your eyes during an air battle, and with one hand to pull your eyebrows to your temples!”


    "In Vietnam, we did not officially fight. Military experts and instructors were a problem. Finding a normal Vietnam is a problem. They are small, dead, do not hold overload. Our guys kept up to 10g normally, but these five lost consciousness. They fed them forcefully, they gave them to the tribunal if someone doesn’t eat the meat they’ve eaten, they turned them on the simulators - all to no avail. They lose consciousness and that's it. For a few seconds, but that’s enough. American pilots quickly realized that all Vietnamese aviation was divided into Russian pilots and Vietnamese. Shoot down Vietnam - it's up to it’s nice, profitable (good money paid), and most importantly safe. Things were much worse with the Russians. You seem to throw them out of the blue from the sunny side, like you’ll surely hit, but he will make an anti-missile maneuver, spin the figure with an awesome overload, and already on your tail. Horseradish with them with money and with fame, but you’ll also knock you down! True, those who ejected didn’t finish it, and thanks to the Russian guys for that. The Americans quickly figured out how to distinguish Russian from Vietnam. There is a battle, as a rule it is very fleeting. F-4 on the tail of the MiG. MiG makes a maneuver, overload is growing, five, six - hop! the wings trembled, for a second, barely noticeable - everything is clear, Vietnam. You can not be afraid. But if on 8g the MiG also confidently performs the maneuver, then it’s definitely not Vietnam, but a Russian, and hell knows how it will end. Therefore, the Americans went on air and with the phrase "Vanya! I'm gone!" out of the battle. And rightly so. God saves man, who save himself."
  6. makst83
    makst83 7 August 2013 08: 19 New
    +2
    Well, the wings of the adversary were cut!
  7. pensioner
    pensioner 7 August 2013 08: 20 New
    36
    After the Korean War, a funny incident occurred. When all American services reported on their "outstanding" contribution to the "victory", the pilot rescue service became insulted and they decided: "Why are we worse!" they took yes and laid out everything about the number of rescued pilots and crews. Then regretted of course. But it was too late ...
  8. waisson
    waisson 7 August 2013 08: 24 New
    +5
    Yes, an informative article. Yes, there were times when we were not afraid of anyone.
    The Soviet Union demonstrated its strength. At the same time, 60 years ago, the first hydrogen bomb in the world was detonated at a training ground in Semipalatinsk.
  9. basil200
    basil200 7 August 2013 08: 27 New
    +3
    At the moment, the guns are standing, and at the saigers I don’t remember humming-machine guns. Which is better in melee?
    1. svp67
      svp67 7 August 2013 08: 47 New
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      Quote: basil200
      At the moment, the guns are standing, and at the saigers I don’t remember humming-machine guns. Which is better in melee?
      In the near it is almost the same, since six 12, 7 mm rapid-fire machine guns could easily cut the plane into pieces, and ours with their guns could be destroyed. This is more important in the maximum range battle, of course, the guns have an advantage here, but the Saber had a very cool sight, for the time due to which their pilots achieved many successes, ours had to trust their experience, knowledge and eyeball .. .
      1. Airman
        Airman 7 August 2013 19: 37 New
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: basil200
        At the moment, the guns are standing, and at the saigers I don’t remember humming-machine guns. Which is better in melee?
        In the near it is almost the same, since six 12, 7 mm rapid-fire machine guns could easily cut the plane into pieces, and ours with their guns could be destroyed. This is more important in the maximum range battle, of course, the guns have an advantage here, but the Saber had a very cool sight, for the time due to which their pilots achieved many successes, ours had to trust their experience, knowledge and eyeball .. .

        And this sight was radar, which allowed Sabers to detect MiGs earlier, which gave a definite advantage.
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 12 August 2013 16: 12 New
        0
        With regard to the submachine gun is not quite so clear. The bullet has an initial speed of 1200 m / s, the shells 700-800 m / s, respectively, the bullet has a higher persistence than the projectile. The excess of the aiming point over the target on the F-86 is less than on the MiG-15. Therefore, at greater distances, a machine gun (F-86) is preferable to a gun (MiG-15). As one of the participants in that war said, he had to pull up the MiG’s nose so far that he couldn’t see the target (he shot down an American). Well, by the striking factor, and so everything is clear. Armament (MiGs are more powerful), rate of climb (MiGs are faster), horizontal maneuverability (Sabers completed the turn faster than MiGs due to the presence of slats), dive (Sabers gained speed faster than MiGs when diving due to their greater weight), exit peak (MiGs "sagged" less, respectively, than the "Sabers"), these aircraft were approximately the same.
    2. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 7 August 2013 08: 55 New
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      The MiG-15 had 2 guns 23mm and 1 - 37mm, the Saber had 6 machine guns 12,7mm. The MiG, therefore, has more ammunition power and a longer effective fire range. Saber has a higher fire density, but bullets are less effective. According to the results, something like this goes for fighter combat. MiG bombers are definitely better.
    3. kotvov
      kotvov 7 August 2013 10: 09 New
      +3
      large-caliber 12,7 mm
    4. vietnam7
      vietnam7 7 August 2013 11: 02 New
      +9
      The saber exceeded the instant in mass of the instantaneous volley; in the destructive action of one projectile, the instant was better. Here it is, the difference in mentality, a cowboy shoots a lot, maybe he’ll hit, Pokryshkin taught young pilots to open fire when you see rivets on an enemy’s airplane.
      1. Argon
        Argon 7 August 2013 16: 07 New
        +7
        But only here the average attack speed increased and the pilot often simply did not have time to determine the distance, the radio range finder helped the amer, and the possibility of correction "along the track" was on his side. Our authors are often disingenuous about the MiG’s equivalence and even its superiority over " Saber. "Still, the F-86 was a machine made at a higher technological level (wing mechanization, a dual-mode, all-turning stabilizer). There is still another point that historians do not pay attention to is fuel. Although Soviet aviation kerosene was a big its high fraction, but it was worse cleaned and had additives (anti-evaporative), which reduced its calorific value, and therefore engine performance. Regarding wins / losses, I generally agree with the respected svp67, I can add from myself that according to the stories of my grandfather who served as an engineer in the Chinese IAP (Yak-9p; La-9). So far, the "Soviet counterpart" was based on the "front-line soldiers" of the Air Force, in particular the pilots from the 176th Guards IAP, - "There weren’t enough Americans in the sky." "knowledge of the area" and the tactical situation, although in a hurry, were transmitted . At the end of 52g, the replacements went step-by-step, with equipment, the youth from the Far Eastern air defense districts went to replace, and the amers then- "We already learned to fight, and ours began to water the hills with Russian blood" - UN men dragged MiGs into turns at low altitudes, they broke down in a tailspin. With regard to La-9, there were more stories, I didn’t want to fly at low altitudes, and the Chinese turned out to be a difficult car. The Yak was preferable, but the regiment was just rearmament at the “Benches”, and there were about a dozen worn out Yakov .
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        2. Grenader
          Grenader 7 August 2013 17: 49 New
          +1
          About weapons and performance characteristics of Migov and Sabers in 46 minutes.
        3. Alex 241
          Alex 241 7 August 2013 22: 11 New
          +7
          Here's the reticle with rangefinder rings, the so-called external-base optical rangefinder. Knowing the geometrical parameters of the target, you can easily determine the distance to the target.The main advantage of the MiG is its greater horizontal maneuverability and the greater total weight of the second butt.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 7 August 2013 22: 28 New
            +1
            Sorry for the word "volley" typo left. laughing
            1. Argon
              Argon 8 August 2013 01: 32 New
              +2
              The second weight of the MiG volley (compared to the F-86E) in fact was lower (due to a significantly lower rate of fire). At a speed of 0,85 M, the aiming time (taking into account the effective distance of fire, and course errors) is from 1,2, 0,8 to 73 sec. And this is with linear trajectories of the target. The quality (resolution) of the projected mark in the collimator sights (domestic) of that time did not allow .... and you always approach the target from the perspective, in general, it’s like “rollers on p -XNUMX "you understand me. Horizontal wing maneuverability determines the load on the wing, its mechanization and oyanie aerodynamic focus (ODA rate) from the center of gravity, more will understand (if desired) .With regard above it the word "easy" is filled with a few other smyslom.S respect.
          2. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 12 August 2013 16: 18 New
            0
            Just the same, the MiG’s horizontal maneuverability was inferior to Saber. The MiG was more heavily armed and more speedy.
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  10. svp67
    svp67 7 August 2013 08: 29 New
    +8
    There are a lot of nuances. When calculating the results, each side is disingenuous. To the general overstatement of our victories and the belittling of the enemy’s, the question is added that our side considers only the victories and not the luck of the Soviet pilots who fought with the coalition, while the opposite side considers the general result of the air struggle of one coalition against another. And in my opinion, you should always make reservations here. Since if the level of flight and combat skills of pilots in the USA and the USSR was almost equal, then the remaining level of the remaining coalition pilots was clearly lower. But if in the "southerners" the main air force, and the vast majority, were the pilots of the US Army and Navy, then the "northerners" hardly had more than a third or even a quarter of the USSR’s pilots ... So, everyone has to make a conclusion ...
  11. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 7 August 2013 09: 32 New
    +2
    Yes, there is something to be proud of and who to be proud of! But it seems to me that our current aviators will be no worse than fighting an enemy. Glory to Russian Aviation !!!
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 7 August 2013 15: 43 New
      +7
      The Americans were unlucky there. In Korea, they thought they would fly and bomb with impunity, but they hit it specifically - there were Soviet pilots in the skies of Korea who still beat German aces.
      (http://airaces.narod.ru/korea/korea.htm)
  12. creak
    creak 7 August 2013 09: 39 New
    +5
    According to the memoirs of S. Kramarenko, an active participant in these events, who fought in 324 air divisions under the command of the Hero of the Soviet Union I. Kozhedub three times, an important result of the division’s operations was the destruction of more than 20 B-29 Superfortress bombers. As a result, the Americans were forced to stop carpet bombing most of the DPRK. In total, according to him, the Americans lost about 100 bombers of this type in Korea .. During the fighting, 64 air corps, which included a division, lost 120 liters tchikov 319 and MiG-15 and LA-11. 22 pilots 64 IAC was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union.
  13. Sirocco
    Sirocco 7 August 2013 09: 52 New
    +7
    The article is positive, without excesses in different "directions". Although Amer is always cunning, i.e. lie. This is confirmed by an interior view from Kharchevsky. More than 60 years have passed, and we are all at war and at war with "our Partners." As the saying goes, and things are still there, on the basis of this, I conclude that we and the Americans have a discrepancy in only one issue ... agrarian. Who will bury whom. Glory to our pilots, they are our best, and this film is a confirmation of this.
    1. old man54
      old man54 7 August 2013 20: 28 New
      +3
      thanks for the video, thank you very much! Father would be glad. looking at him, but did not live, alas! hi
    2. Papakiko
      Papakiko 7 August 2013 21: 01 New
      +5
      Alexander Nikolaevich Kharchevsky exclusively believe!
      He put many on the wing. hi
  14. rodevaan
    rodevaan 7 August 2013 10: 24 New
    16
    ... until the success of UN pilots at 20: 1.

    Oh yeah! My favorite topic again is the war in Korea!

    I think it’s not worth repeating about the complete uncovering of the B-29 Flying Sheds in the Korean sky, which have shown their absolute helplessness against the Soviet MiG-15, because I have already laid out these materials twice on this forum and on this site.

    I want to add and even highlight this aspect: These are endless perversions of the Anglo-Saxon anti-Soviet and, most importantly,ANTI-RUSSIAN propaganda. And I highlighted this not in vain, for it is this aspect that is the most important. For it is the Russian people that represent the danger to all this Anglo-Saxon world shobla. But communism-socialism-tsarism-etc. - this is just a convenient excuse for all this ANTI-RUSSIAN propaganda. The fact that Westernoid enemies are diligent students of Dr. Goebbels and lie very well, I think, as well as any Russian person. For in the west they do not know how to do anything best, how to lie! In this part, the whole world compares with them, and especially in comparison with Pin-Dostan, nervously smokes on the sidelines.
    The Great Patriotic War is now being completely redrawn by all sorts of Western-born so-called, pseudo-"historians", "British scientists", very "independent" experts, and other shushera feeding at the State Department ... This fate did not pass the war in Korea! And since, in this war, Russian pilots made a good punch at the "most-presamy" single-minded Air Force in the world, then the verbal diarrhea on this subject will not subside apparently for a very long time.
    Of course, it is possible to lie, and sometimes it is even necessary to reassure your stupid population before the “scary Russians”, but when they all lie at the same time, it turns out some kind of stupid paradox ... For example: Pin-dos absolutely blow without a shadow of a doubt to the whole world, and it was trumpeted earlier that their "valiant" pilots shot down 2300 "communist" planes, and their losses amounted to only 114, of which 3/4, of course, naturally fell on all kinds of "technical malfunctions" - in the form evil anti-tank Stalingrad mice, frosty Russian wind, from utstvie chocolate, marmalade deficit, deep rivers, thick fog, the KGB tricks well, and all of that sort. Naturally, Rassian’s own liberoid pack of shit-degenerate demons from the 5th column of squealing with joy and with a squeal of pigs all this endlessly repeats. But I want to lie not only to the pilots, but also to others too!
    The rescue service of the 5th American Air Army, which fought in Korea, also boasts that it managed to save more than 1000 people from North Korean territory from downed Pin-dos aircraft. And where did the numerous prisoners from uncovered bombers and fighter jets go then? Which were "hospitably" waiting for the North Koreans on earth after landing? And where were those killed in the air battles? And where did the sunk drowned at sea? The loss of aircraft during the Korean War was 4000 units among Americans according to their own data of the 50s. What does it mean?

    Dr. Goebbels smokes nervously and envies black acid envy to his faithful students!
  15. rodevaan
    rodevaan 7 August 2013 10: 54 New
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    Moreover, now according to the calculations of the personal accounts of the pilots who fought in the skies of Korea with a worldly evil democrat:
    As for the posts, then here, as in the Patriotic War - here, too, everything is smeared and written with lies!
    Officially, 51 Soviet pilots shot down 5 or more planes in Korea, from the enemy’s side - 40 of them were accumulated.
    However, if you carefully examine the lists of these "aces" - then there are also a lot of white spots, holes and truly injustice.

    In support of my words, I will give a well-known example of how they attributed to the enemies by plane, and our pilot did not even conceive what he actually destroyed. April 12, 1953 in aerial combat, Soviet pilot ace 8 (I highlight not in vain!) By victories, Semen Alekseevich FEDORETS shot down immediately 2 enemy aircraft, including the famous American ace Captain Joseph McConnell, who has 16 “victories,” although one of them must already be deleted from his list. And that's why:

    In that battle, having come to the rescue of the attacked Soviet pilot, Fedorets attacked and shot down an amer who was gawked and carried away by the attack (who was later picked up by the rescue service), but, after that, unfortunately, he came under attack. It was just McConell who fired at him. Although his attack was successful, and the MiG was damaged, but the Americans miscalculated, thinking that the job was done, and paid for it - despite the damage to the plane, Fedorets was able to outwit the enemy, evaded the attack and, releasing the flaps, which caused the effect of sharp braking, - Shot McConnel who jumped forward and did not understand anything at point blank range. MiG firepower was very strong, - the Americans managed to reach the bay and catapulted there.
    Recovering, the remaining amers flock attacked the damaged MiG and Fedorets had no choice but to leave the plane in the same way.

    Like this. Shit-wetness in action - for some unknown reason, Fedorets’s plane was counted as the 8th “victory” - although he didn’t shoot him down, after all others shot him down, he only damaged the Soviet plane, but which in turn really shot him down . But for some reason Semyon Alekseevich didn’t count down McConell’s downfall - like the debris in the bay drowned - although it was well known now and then that Amerikos catapulted and his plane was destroyed. I’m even more than sure that everyone who attacked Fedorets after he flashed MiG McConell’s cannons was also naturally recorded on the plane. Here is such a song.
    I really hope that justice will be restored by us, and Semyon Alekseevich will receive a fairly well-deserved aircraft at his own expense.
    And the point is not even the number of shot downs - Fedorets shot down 7 or 8 planes - now it’s not so important that our pilots were able to stop the aggressors in Korea. The point is justice!
    It is unfortunate that our pilot never received the Hero of the Soviet Union, although he was introduced and had every right to do so and all reasons.

    In the photo: Fedorets Semyon Alekseevich. (8 wins in the sky of Korea)
    1. albert
      albert 7 August 2013 21: 13 New
      +1
      The book of Maxim Kalashnikov talks about 11 victories of Semyon Fedorets in Korea. In the "broken sword of the empire," if I am not mistaken.
  16. Djozz
    Djozz 7 August 2013 10: 59 New
    12
    Straight flurry takes from the bullshit of American pilots of war veterans in Korea. There is such an Exploer TV channel; there is a series of programs dedicated to the recollections of these “heroes,” and even their computer graphics of their “victories,” says a veteran; , caught him at the MIG airfield, shot down, destroyed the airfield and flew home, my wingman’s plane was accidentally damaged. " ATTENTION! Further "To help get to my own, I got on my plane from behind from below from below, and we flew propping it up, though it crashed into the sea before reaching the base" Imagine an oil painting! There are no witnesses to spoil.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 7 August 2013 12: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: Djozz
      Straight flurry takes from the bullshit of American pilots of war veterans in Korea. There is such an Exploer TV channel; there is a series of programs dedicated to the recollections of these “heroes,” and even their computer graphics of their “victories,” says a veteran; , caught him at the MIG airfield, shot down, destroyed the airfield and flew home, my wingman’s plane was accidentally damaged. " ATTENTION! Further "To help get to my own, I got on my plane from behind from below from below, and we flew propping it up, though it crashed into the sea before reaching the base" Imagine an oil painting! There are no witnesses to spoil.


      - And I say - watch less zombies, stuffed with all Russophobic dermis and stupid pro-Western propaganda BigMakov and other foreign garbage ...
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 7 August 2013 13: 06 New
        +2
        You need to know Vrazhin by sight! And wherever you can expose nonsense, i.e. lead counter-propaganda.
    2. Slogger
      Slogger 11 August 2013 19: 25 New
      +1
      I agree with you! I also watch this channel, but not because I like it, but in order to determine the truth. There are constantly Americans praise themselves. There is such a proverb "Praise me, my dearly." They constantly tell how their professionals are fighting cool, what their super technology is. This is all designed for "sucker." I also watched these programs where in Korea MIG-15 fell like dummies in Vietnam, in Vietnam they were in air battles, shot down within 600 MIG-21, and they themselves lost 114 pieces downed. F-4, but the whole truth is that in Vietnam, according to my information, the Mig-21 had only 60 cars and a ratio of 54: 126 in favor of the Migaras. In total, the Americans in Vietnam lost more than 4500 aircraft of various modifications, including the 6th part of strategic aviation, the so-called ultramodern unkillable B-52s - 31 pieces. and about 20 pcs. for the last 3 days of the war, which it was dealt with without any difficulties, the Soviet S-75 air defense system, after which they went on negotiations to end the war. After watching these films, I remembered an episode from my own life. When I was fulfilling my international duty in Egypt during the war with Israel, we covered the Soviet MiG-21, Su-7B airfield of Helwan near Cairo. Somehow I had a chance to talk with our pilot. I asked the question "do you have to fight on migrants, who at that time were already walking in the old people, against the newer and more powerful F-4 Phantoms, F-111, F-15, in the Union Mig-23 were already on their way, MiG-25, to which he replied to me: “one MiG for two Phantoms is a normal warm-up.” Therefore, I think that it’s necessary to watch such channels so that it is possible to compare and determine the HU-ist of HU. And still need to pay attention to who comments these masterpieces. The West usually has some kind of journalist, as a rule there is no official information or link to an official source, he simply interviews some kind of warriors who do not think much about it, but want to praise themselves and tell how cool they fought, and they paid the journalist and he works out his money, so he often gives out information that reveals all his lies, and since he is stupid and has no idea what he is talking about, he doesn’t notice it, and they broadcast it in the media As a rule, in Russian films, such programs are covered mainly by fairly well-trained journalists. As a rule, there are links to designers or intelligence, to the same Western media, to participants in these events or to the archive. So I compare.
  17. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 7 August 2013 11: 00 New
    +4
    Glory to the Soviet pilots! Glory to the USSR Air Force!
    Thanks to the author for the article. A weighted supply of material and a calm desire to understand are always impressive. And of course the photos of the heroes ... They need to be known and remembered.
  18. vietnam7
    vietnam7 7 August 2013 11: 11 New
    +3
    The Americans counted the victory on a machine gun, they can see the hits and it’s good, he has 120 holes and he returned home, and the American drills a hole for the order, Pepelyaev writes well in his memoirs about the air battles in Korea, it says that their union was a special group, they wanted to It was not possible to force Saber to land, and soon Saber himself surfaced, and we had reloading suits and a horizon.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 12 August 2013 16: 47 New
      0
      There Pepelyaev and knocked out. A pilot on a forced beach landed, because the catapult is jammed. A tide of Saber was drowned and a group of Amer aircraft with low cloudiness could not destroy it. And the Chinese comrades pulled out at night and handed over to ours (there is a dock film on this subject)
  19. Hleb
    Hleb 7 August 2013 13: 07 New
    +2
    I saw such a table

  20. 1961NNN
    1961NNN 7 August 2013 13: 26 New
    +5
    Official figures ... 1106 aircraft were shot down, our losses were 305 aircraft, 22 pilots became Heroes of the Soviet Union ...
  21. pensioner
    pensioner 7 August 2013 13: 47 New
    12
    E. Pepelyaev in his memoirs said that somewhere in the 90s he visited America and spoke to cadets of the flight school. He was asked a question like: "How can you explain the reasons for the unconditional victory of American pilots over Russians in Korea?" He did not immediately understand. And then he told what he saw. The people were in a .. (let it be out). Now the time has come for them not to understand what is at stake. The fruits of propaganda however. And so in everything.
    1. Proud.
      Proud. 7 August 2013 15: 51 New
      +7
      Quote: retired
      "How can you explain the reasons for the unconditional victory of American pilots over Russians in Korea?"
      Are you crazy, topgans are fig !? Talking such a game, to the best and unsurpassed so far, Asu of jet aircraft. Blessed memory of him ...
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 12 August 2013 16: 51 New
        0
        Well, if rubbish is hammered into the head from the cradle, it will be perceived as truth. Topgans are not guilty that their brains have been powdered. It’s their misfortune, but they don’t know it. belay belay belay
  22. soaring
    soaring 7 August 2013 15: 05 New
    +3
    Let’s say frankly, all the pins and others like them, typical liars !!!! And no one will argue with this !!!! Sorry for them all ... And they could be normal people .... crying
    1. PureGUN
      PureGUN 7 August 2013 17: 31 New
      +2
      Well yes. Legalized lie.
  23. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 7 August 2013 16: 11 New
    +4
    I give a link with data directly related to this topic:
    http://airaces.narod.ru/korea/korea.htm -
    Soviet pilots having victories in the Korean War of 1950 - 1953.
    How complete the data is, not for me to judge. For almost all given names of pilots, personal pages open.
    Well done pilots, pointed amers in their place!
  24. RoTTor
    RoTTor 7 August 2013 17: 25 New
    +3
    518 ap, in which I happened to serve, fought in Korea. The pilot of our regiment, captain (later - general) Mikhin shot down 9 "Sabers" and became the Hero of the Soviet Union.
    And to me from the "Koreans" there was only one officer left - then a lieutenant technician.
    Live another comrade STALIN. they defeated all the imperialists until complete victory ...
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 12 August 2013 16: 52 New
      0
      ... to the full ass.
  25. xomaNN
    xomaNN 7 August 2013 18: 52 New
    -1
    Finally, the concrete plausible figures of mutual losses in Korean air battles. Thanks to the author
  26. svp67
    svp67 7 August 2013 20: 54 New
    +4
    But the MiG is even geometrically smaller than Saber

  27. svp67
    svp67 7 August 2013 21: 56 New
    +3
    And you won’t leave ....
  28. bublic82009
    bublic82009 7 August 2013 23: 28 New
    +3
    here everyone begins to doubt how we fought. normally fought.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 8 August 2013 03: 09 New
      +7
      Quote: bublic82009
      here everyone begins to doubt how we fought. normally fought.


      - If they had fought badly, there would have been no country like Russia already 100 times. We fought well and beat enemies with high quality! How many wars has Russia waged during its existence? Can I get off the account? How many wars did Russia win and how many times did it beat every adversary? - You can go astray!

      So it was, there is and will always be! Russian soldier is the best soldier in the world!
  29. Su-9
    Su-9 8 August 2013 03: 01 New
    +7
    But normally we fought in Korea because the raid was normal for everyone and discipline in parts. Plus combat experience was transmitted. Already to Vietnam there was more window dressing - a peaceful life. I saw this with my grandfather in the regiment. And when I flew - it got worse. Half of the 1st-class pilots were "assigned pilots." By the way, there was an interesting analysis based on the 82nd year from Syria - can any of the elders of the site know how to find it? They read to us - everything was already not very joyful. Well, it's hard to talk about the 90s.
    So you need to build the Air Force - and study, study ...
    I would pay as much attention to this as possible. And then damn the Poles fly more.
  30. rodevaan
    rodevaan 8 August 2013 03: 06 New
    +4
    Quote: albert
    The book of Maxim Kalashnikov talks about 11 victories of Semyon Fedorets in Korea. In the "broken sword of the empire," if I am not mistaken.


    - The data are very contradictory, and not only according to Fedorts. In reality, he could bring down more. I gave an example with only one enemy aircraft, which he actually shot down, but which was never credited. The best aces in the sky of Korea, experts on the Sabers - such as E. Pepelyaev and N. Sutyagin, also think that they shot down more. The fact is that many Soviet pilots most likely have incomplete combat accounts, the same Naumenko, Milaushkin or Dokashenko. A detailed calculation was not particularly carried out, and the enemy aircraft in the Korean War, as well as in the Great Patriotic War, were entered into the personal accounts of pilots very sparingly. There is a lot of information of war veterans about how the shooting was brought. This is the confirmation of the pilots of the regiment, who also saw the shooting down, this is the confirmation of ground services, and the location of the wreckage ... And if the shot down into the bay fell or on enemy territory? The wreckage is unavailable, the ground did not confirm, which means there is no downfall. In a large interview with WWII veteran pilot N. Golodnikov, this is what they say. It was exactly the same in Korea. Hero of the Soviet Union, a war veteran in Korea S.M. Kramarenko, who has 13 official air victories in that war, says the same about the same method of calculation. (By the way, on April 10, 2013, our outstanding veteran pilot, who is now living in Moscow, turned 90 years old! With what I would like to congratulate him from the bottom of my heart, wish him a long, vigorous, healthy life, love of relatives and attention from the state!)
    Therefore, I think that the numbers of aircraft destroyed by our pilots will still be adjusted, since the information on them is extremely stingy. In addition, almost everything that went astray by our pilots in the sky - the Americans immediately entered into the category of "technical malfunctions" and did not fall into the category of combat losses. In an extreme case, they were attributed to the “AAA missle fire”.

    Moreover, in the official American reports, the fate of many dead crews was simply not displayed. There was a pilot - and then he was simply erased from the report, as if there was none at all.
    For example - B-29 BuNo 44-61835 "DRAGON LADY", was badly damaged by Boris Obraztsov (according to other sources, it was damaged by Grigory Ges) on the famous "Black Thursday" on April 12, 1951. The MiG-15 frontal attack was more than successful - the pilot and navigator were killed, the controls and other parts of the aircraft were badly damaged. The wounded co-pilot barely managed to get the clumsy colossus out of that ill-fated battle and somehow got to the base. The fate of the remaining crew members is not reported (I wonder why?). This is strange, because the full crew of the B-29 consisted of 11 people - why, then, only three appear in the report after the battle? Where did the remaining 9 go then? They are not in the official report. And to guess where the rest of the crew had gone is not difficult, given the air battle that took place on April 12, 1951 for the Air Force S.Sh.P. And such cases, with the cancellation of crews "nowhere" - a lot. Pilots of many of the destroyed F-80s, F-84s, B-29s — that is, those who did the hardest and most rough work of attacking and bombing targets — they never appear on official records. All attention was riveted to the elite on the Sabers.

    I am writing this in order to send a bullet into the thick asses of those who pray to the Westerners and claim that only the Russians did not value their soldiers and withheld the dead. Here you are - a vivid example of the same westernoid!
  31. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 8 August 2013 20: 19 New
    +5
    We must not forget about the heroic, without exaggeration, KPA pilots who, at first, before the appearance of 15 IAK on the theater of operations, took upon themselves the blow of the NATO armada.
    On 26.06.1950/55/57, i.e., on the day of the outbreak of the Korean War, the KPA Air Force had in its 93th SAD one assault regiment (10th ShAP) - 56 Il-79, one fighter (9th IAP) - 58 Yak-67 , one training (XNUMXth UACA) - XNUMX training and communication aircraft, that is, not a single jet.
    for July 1950 for various reasons, UN aviation lost 55 aircraft in Korea, including: 14 Mustangs, 10 Shuting Starov, 5 Invaders, 5 carrier-based attack aircraft, 5 Superfortresses, 4 Corsair, 3 Texans from the operational group "Mosquito", 2 army "Sentinel", 2 "Twinmustang", 2 "Panthers", one transport aircraft, and two helicopters. In addition, the British light aircraft carrier brigade (Triemph aircraft carrier) lost 8 Sefayer Mk.47 fighters in a month.
    In July, the structure of the so-called Air Force losses began to take shape. "UN troops." Most of them were battlefield aircraft, which served as the F-51D attack aircraft and covered the F-80s.
    Of the 14 Mustangs that were shot down, 10 belong to the temporary 51st fighter squadron, which at this stage was the main enemy of North Korean fighters. The squadron lost more than 50% of combat-ready airplanes in a net loss of air confrontation to the northerners.
    Out of 10 lost “Shutingstar”, only for three reasons the losses (other than in the air battle) are not refuted by the combat situation and other information sources. The official reason for the loss of one is air combat, for six more aircraft there is either no clear indication of the cause of the loss, or such instructions are refuted by the combat situation and other information sources, which suggests a possible loss in an air battle.
    Noteworthy is the loss of five Superfortresses. According to official figures: two were shot down by the Yaks, two died from a hovering bomb, another crashed due to "mechanical problems."
    Of the five downed B-26s, one was officially in aerial combat, two were anti-aircraft artillery and two more with vague formulations ("own bombs", "fuel loss").
    Even official US statistics show roughly equal levels of casualties in aerial combat in July 1950. Officially, from the actions of the North Korean Air Force, the Americans recognized the loss of eight aircraft. American aces, in turn, announced in July about 11-12 air victories (officially counted 10) and over 40 aircraft destroyed on the ground. General analysis of the losses of the Air Force "UN troops" in July suggests that in fact, from 23 to 25 Allied aircraft were killed in air battles, i.e. more than 40% of the total number of lost cars. That is, the North Koreans on obsolete Soviet piston Yak-9 shot down the jet American Shuting Stary and B-29 Super Fortress. Yours faithfully! hi
    Kim Gin Ok. At the time the war began, he commanded a squadron in the 56th IAP of the DPRK Air Force. In total, 11 enemy aircraft were shot down during the war, including 3 B-29 in 1950 Since 1952 flew on the MiG-15. He finished the war with the rank of division commander.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 8 August 2013 21: 12 New
      +1
      Roma, I won’t say that it’s “my topic”, but still, let's try to discuss it. And do you know about the incident 8.10.50 (this is when the Yankees bombed on our airfield)?
  32. Alex 241
    Alex 241 8 August 2013 21: 14 New
    +1
    Denis airfield Dry River in Primorye.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 8 August 2013 21: 17 New
      0
      Exactly (found now in nete). And who knows this comrade?
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 8 August 2013 21: 23 New
        0
        Pak Zan Yin?
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 8 August 2013 21: 26 New
        +1
        Don’t bother, this is the type who stole the Mig-15 to South Korea (But Gym Suk).
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 8 August 2013 21: 33 New
          0
          So he was paid for just one hijacking.
  33. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 8 August 2013 21: 23 New
    +1
    This is not the North Korean who hijacked the MiG-1953 in 15
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 8 August 2013 21: 31 New
      +1
      He’s the most! Juche’s ideas to him, you see, are not liked
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 8 August 2013 21: 37 New
        0
        Since the U.S. Air Force had virtually no chance to capture the MiG-15 during the battles, the American military leaders decided to put pressure on psychology to implement the idea. In March 1953, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff approved a plan that included a $ 50 reward for a pilot who would hijack an combat-ready MiG-000 and put him on a South Korean airfield. An additional $ 15 was received by the one who would do it first. Political asylum and anonymity were also provided for the defector. The implementation of the plan, called Operation Moolah, was assigned to the psychological wrestling department of the headquarters of the Far Eastern Command of the US Armed Forces.

        In April 1953, 14 radio stations in South Korea and Japan began broadcasting General Clark’s message in Korean, North Chinese, Russian and Cantonese: “... I appeal to all the brave pilots who want to free themselves from the yoke of communism and start a new, better, worthy life. .. you will be guaranteed political asylum, protection, human attitude and attention. If the pilot wants, his name will remain a secret forever ... ". At the same time, two B-29 Superfortress bombers dropped 1,2 million leaflets in Russian, Chinese and Korean along the Yalu River over the locations of the units. In the first half of May, an additional 130 leaflets were dropped, including over the Yiju and Sinyiju air bases. But for all the time from the very beginning of the Korean War until the adoption of the ceasefire on July 27, 1953, not one MiG-15 was hijacked.

        September 21, 1953, the Americans received the long-awaited souvenir. A North Korean pilot landed a fully equipped new MiG-15bis, onboard “2057”, on a strip of the Gimpo air base in South Korea. The plane was dismantled and taken to the US Air Force base Kaden in Japan. There, American test pilots began flight research of a trophy fighter. Then the MiG-15 was transported from Japan to the United States, to the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, in the museum of which it is still located. The hijacked pilot was given the promised reward in the total amount of 100 thousand dollars (about 820 thousand at today's prices) and political asylum was granted. It is curious that after the escape the pilot claimed that he was prompted not to offer remuneration and political asylum to hijack the plane, but that he was "tired of the lies of the Reds", that he allegedly did not see the leaflets and did not hear anything about the radio programs. However, as it turned out later, two years before that, the pilot’s mother was taken to North Korea from North Korea and then, after her son, she moved to the United States for permanent residence. The very same defector pilot upon arrival in the United States changed his name, surname and received American citizenship.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 8 August 2013 21: 40 New
          +1
          .....................................
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 8 August 2013 21: 40 New
            +2
            ..................................
        2. Day 11
          Day 11 8 August 2013 21: 45 New
          +1
          The same car in the museum
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 8 August 2013 21: 46 New
            +1
            .......................................
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 8 August 2013 21: 48 New
              +2
              The text on the front side in Russian:
              “Comrades pilots! If you love freedom. If you have the courage. If you want to start a new, better life, then here is your opportunity! Get rid of the communist yoke! Fly your jet to the free world! Freedom and reward await you ahead!
              Comrades pilots! The Far Eastern Command offers its help to all brave pilots who want to free themselves from the communist yoke and start a new, better life, with due respect in the free world. Comrades! General Mark W. Clark, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces in the Far East, guarantees you refuge, protection, human care and attention. You have been given a full guarantee that your names will be kept secret if you wish. In addition, every pilot who safely lands a modern jet in combat readiness on our territory will receive a reward of 50000 US dollars. ”
  34. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 8 August 2013 21: 49 New
    +1
    But these flyers mattress covers scattered over our airfields
    Ссылка http://viribusunitis1.livejournal.com/?skip=10&tag=%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%8
    F
  35. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 8 August 2013 21: 57 New
    +1
    In the winter of 1950-51. only the regiment of night bombers widely described in literature was active, flying first on the Po-2, then on the Yak-11 and the Yak-l8. But, as it does not seem strange, the real value from their combat work was. No wonder the Yankees were seriously discussing the "Po-2 problem." In addition to the fact that the “crazy Chinese alarms”, as the Americans called them, constantly crushed the enemy’s psyche, they also caused tangible damage. Subsequently, a couple of squadrons from the 56th fighter regiment and some Chinese air units — both of them mainly flew on La-9/11! —Were connected to night work.
    In November-December 1950, the formation of the Sino-Korean Joint Air Army (OVA) began. The Chinese dominated it, and Chinese General Liu Zhen also commanded the OVA. As of June 10, 1951, there were 136 aircraft and 60 well-trained pilots in the KPA Air Force. In December, two Chinese fighter divisions on the MiG-15 launched combat operations. Later, KPA avidivision joined them (by the end of 1952 their number was brought to three). However, the activity of Korean aviation left much to be desired. The main burden of the fight against enemy aircraft was borne by the IA and ZA 64IAK, so the Soviet units were the basis of the DPRK's air defense, and the Koreans and Chinese played a supporting role throughout most of the war. And their air defense, although it was, was in an appropriate state. Almost the only air defense units were the groups of "shooter-hunters for planes" created by order of Kim Il Sung on 2.12.1950/3/5. The meaning of this "great initiative" was that a platoon stood out in each rifle regiment, which began the fight against enemy airplanes using improvised means - from easel and light machine guns to cables pulled between the tops of nearby hills. According to North Korean propaganda, some groups (for example, the calculation of the DPRK Hero Yu Gi Ho) managed to pile up 27-1953 enemy planes in this way! Even if we consider this information to be exaggerated, it remains a fact that the "shooters-hunters" became a mass phenomenon at the front and spoiled the "UN" pilots a lot of blood. On the day of the signing of the armistice on June 350, 400, North Korean aviation was still low-combat, but quantitatively exceeded the pre-war level. Various experts estimate its number in this period at 200-15 aircraft, including at least XNUMX MiG-XNUMXs. All of them were based on Chinese territory, since pre-war airfields in North Korea were destroyed and were not restored during the war.
    DPRK Air Force LA-9
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 8 August 2013 22: 10 New
      +2
      Roma, did you watch the movie "38 parallel"? If not, I advise. The film is strong!
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 8 August 2013 22: 25 New
        +1
        I watched it, of course, back in 2005 I bought a company disk, it is still stored. One of the best films about the war in Korea.
    2. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 8 August 2013 22: 51 New
      +1
      Along with the famous Polikarpovsky PO-2, the North Koreans actively used the Yak-18 training trainer they set as a night bomber
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 8 August 2013 23: 40 New
        +1
        In 1946, Soviet aircraft began to arrive in North Korea. A training regiment was created in Pyongyang, also referred to as an aviation school in a number of sources. There, our instructors trained the Koreans on various aircraft, including several UIL-10s. In 1947, almost a year before the official declaration of the DPRK, the formation of a mixed air division began. The division became the 5th, and the regiment -57th. Flight and technical personnel were also trained in the USSR, and later in China. On April 28, 1950, Senior Lieutenant Lee Gang Song defected, hijacking his IL-10 to South Korea, where two months later he again became a North Korean trophy. On June 25, 1950, when the war in Korea began, the northerners had 93 IL-10 and UIL-10. On the very first day of hostilities, attack aircraft supported the attacks of infantry and tanks. In addition, they attacked strongholds and concentrations of enemy troops. North Korean aviation completely dominated the air.
        For example, on the morning of June 26, an Il-10 couple, accompanied by fighters, bombed and fired at a freight station in Seoul. They managed to blow up the composition with ammunition and destroy a lot of enemy manpower. The Americans also report the participation of attack aircraft in raids on the Kimpo airfield, where most of the South Korean Air Force planes were burned. But the very next day, US jet fighters appeared in the sky. On the morning of June 27, near Suwon, they intercepted an eight IL-10 and shot down (according to American data) four cars. The Koreans, in response, tried to strike at the Suwon airfield, but lost a couple more attack aircraft. Other sources say that on June 27, the Koreans lost only four Il-10s, and the Mustang fighter was destroyed by the return fire of an air gunner. Strengthening enemy aircraft did not stop Seoul from taking on June 28. At the Kimpo airfield, North Korean attack aircraft were deployed. They supported units moving further south, in particular, they actively participated in battles on the approaches to Busan, where North Korean tankers tried to break through the defenses of the American 24th Infantry Division, but then air dominance passed to the enemy. Almost every attack flight was accompanied by losses. The Americans also regularly bombed and fired at the airfields of the northerners. After two weeks of fighting, the 57th Regiment left about two dozen operational IL-10s. They were dispersed at various sites. No more than 4-6 aircraft flew in groups. At the end of summer, the USSR transferred a number of attack aircraft to the Koreans, but this did not compensate for the loss of equipment. Among other things, North Korean aviation lost its reserves of flight personnel. However, the DPRK troops pressed the enemy. The Air Force helped in this way. On July 16, the defense of the Americans was broken, after 4 days, Mr. Daejeon. All these days, attack aircraft continuously attacked the enemy defenses. They acted over the sea. August 22 at about. The Munchans in the Yellow Sea allegedly sank an Il-10 steam from an enemy ship: either a destroyer or a minesweeper. In any case, the Americans did not officially recognize this loss. Korean sources call AN Hong Zun the most productive attack pilot, reporting that he destroyed the destroyer and two aircraft. By the end of August, North Korean aviation had 20 operational attack aircraft, which accounted for 17 pilots. On September 15, UN forces landed troops near Incheon and launched an offensive to the north. During the retreat, the DPRK troops threw two defective Il-10s into Kimpo. Even before that, several wrecked cars fell into the hands of the Americans. Both aircraft were exported to the United States. There they were transferred to the Cornell Laboratory (g. Ithaca). One of the two attack aircraft was assembled. June 20 - August 15, 1951 he passed tests at the Wright Field airbase. Captain R. flew on it Stephen. In the future, the DPRK Il-10 Air Force did not play a big role in the hostilities, although it continued to be used in limited numbers until the end of the war as part of the Sino-Korean Joint Air Army, General Liu Zheng. About when the Koreans removed from service the last IL-10, there is no information.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 9 August 2013 00: 05 New
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          Rum is an excellent study +++, if there is video, throw off the PM.
          1. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 9 August 2013 00: 43 New
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            Unfortunately, there are no videos. It’s pulled in memory from different sites, that from airvar, that from cooper, that from Art of Var, etc. .. I generally wanted to give a couple of articles on the site about modern weapons of KPA, a lot of material accumulated, for the test posted a little information on the topic The military parade in Pyongyang (rifleman, TCP, PTO), well, something didn’t interest anyone much, and I left it. And on ships with pictures there is a little bit in the subject of Launches pr.183 (North Korean stealth boats and naval battle of the DPRK and South Korea ships). If interested, I can throw the link or text in PM. Yours faithfully! hi
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              Alex 241 9 August 2013 00: 47 New
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              Specialists rum will always be interested in any material, dare. Publish here. And then the site is turning from a military into a political one.
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              Day 11 9 August 2013 00: 50 New
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              Roma, and you don’t have information on semi-submersible boats of the DPRK? Very interesting (sort of like their project)
              1. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 9 August 2013 00: 55 New
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                Den, on the topic of the boat of project 183, look, so as not to go through my comments on the third page, there are just pictures of North Korean stealth boats and boats that are built under a North Korean license in Iran. There is a semi-submersible Cuban boat torpedo boat according to the North Korean project.
              2. Alex 241
                Alex 241 9 August 2013 00: 57 New
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                The DPRK Navy uses semi-submerged vessels used by the 137th Navy Squadron to land special forces from the sea. Due to their low profile, these vessels are hardly distinguishable by radar. The speed at the water surface is 45 knots (83 km / h), the speed in the semi-submerged state is 4 knots (7,4 km / h)
                1. studentmati
                  studentmati 9 August 2013 01: 01 New
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                  Sabotage war tactics!
                2. smiths xnumx
                  smiths xnumx 9 August 2013 09: 32 New
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                  Dan, for you, the miracle of the gloomy "Juche genius." The stealth-made boat is 35 meters long, weighs about 250 tons, with a speed of 50 knots, a radar absorbing coating, armed with a bow of 53 or 57 mm, aft of 30 mm. The Japanese claim that at least one of these is in service with the North Koreans. Photo is not very. Yours faithfully! hi
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                    smiths xnumx 9 August 2013 09: 36 New
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                    Sorry here is the photo
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                      smiths xnumx 9 August 2013 10: 16 New
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                      Incorporated into Cubans in metal, the minisubmarine is a marvelous torpedo launcher.
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                        smiths xnumx 9 August 2013 10: 18 New
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                        North Korean-made Iranian torpedo boat of the BOGHAMMAR project Displacement 28 tons, speed 52 knots, weapons-2 mm torpedoes.
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                        smiths xnumx 9 August 2013 10: 20 New
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                        Iranian Navy semi-loaded torpedo boat, built according to the North Korean stealth technology project
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    Day 11 8 August 2013 22: 01 New
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    Generally, men, if you are interested in learning about the DPRK --- here you have LJ www.juche-songun.livejournal.com (they are led by a team of North Korean GB shniks). Cool reading (you can register, I’m there too).
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 8 August 2013 22: 11 New
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    Several biographies of North Korean aces
    Pack Guy Cancer-In 1950-51 he shot down five aircraft of the US Air Force. He gained most victories in the Sinichzhu and Pyongyang area in January 1951, flying on the Yak-9P and La-11. He died in June 1951, ramming a U.S. Navy ship with his plane in the Yellow Sea. At the time of death, Iap commanded. Posthumously presented to the title of Hero of the DPRK.
    DPRK La-11 Air Force, 1953
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 8 August 2013 22: 15 New
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    Kim Gin Ok-K of the beginning of the war in 1950 was the commander of the Yak-9 squadron in the 56th IAP of the DPRK Air Force. In 1952-53 he fought on the MiG-15 as a comets, regiment and divisional commander.
    In 1951 he was awarded the title Hero of the DPRK. According to North Korean data, he was the best ace, shot down 11 American aircraft (of which 3 were V-29, flying on the Yak-9P from 11.07 to 3.12.50).
    After the war he continued to serve in the Air Force. In April 1969, he planned the operation of the DPRK air defense, during which the American intelligence officer EU-121 was shot down.
    He died in November 2001 at the age of 76.
    Yak-9P DPRK Air Force
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 8 August 2013 22: 19 New
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      Kan Yon Duk-started the war on the Yaks, it was in the initial period that he won five victories. Then he moved to the MiG-15. He particularly distinguished himself in the battles for Wonsan from 4.10. until 12.10.1952/XNUMX/XNUMX
      He was awarded the title Hero of the DPRK in 1953, at that time IAP commanded. In total, by the end of the war, he had 10 enemy aircraft shot down.
      There is no information about the post-war fate.
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    smiths xnumx 8 August 2013 22: 23 New
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    Lee Don Gyu-At the time the war began, he commanded 56 IAP of the DPRK Air Force. In the period from 11.07. On 14.07.1950/9/29, flying on the Yak-XNUMXP, according to North Korean data, it shot down five US Air Force planes. Including one B-XNUMX over Seoul.
    According to unverified data, he died in aerial combat in the fall of 1950.
    The title of Hero of the DPRK is awarded posthumously.
  • Day 11
    Day 11 8 August 2013 22: 26 New
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    How this topic has hooked you! It happens to me that it hooks me and doesn’t let me go (until you understand the essence of the issue).
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 8 August 2013 22: 36 New
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    No, it’s just such a cartoon, I like to understand the armies of such exotic countries as the DPRK (KNA), Vietnam (VNA), the former Yugoslavia (YNA), the former ATS (NNA GDR, BNA, VNA), the Iranian army, the Iraqi army under Saddam, Cuban.
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      Day 11 8 August 2013 22: 49 New
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      What can I say? Well done! If "rushing" this topic, dig! I have more than 3 Reich "rushing" (backlashes in particular). Dig up the Old (and store it on your computer). If I appeal to you
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 8 August 2013 23: 21 New
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        No problem. Did you read Zefirova?
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          Day 11 9 August 2013 00: 17 New
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          Yes, of braids! The impression is twofold
          1. rodevaan
            rodevaan 9 August 2013 03: 12 New
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            Quote: Den 11
            Yes, of braids! The impression is twofold


            I apologize for the wedging. I think Zefirov is a goat ... I read about attack aircraft ... I did not like it. Yes, and it is understandable - it was written in 2001, just on the initiative of the late 90s when it was fashionable to pray for Westerners ...
  • Day 11
    Day 11 9 August 2013 00: 27 New
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    Franz von Verra with Staffel's favorite
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        Day 11 9 August 2013 00: 33 New
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        Well done, I’ll copy myself, I only had one
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 9 August 2013 00: 34 New
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          1. Day 11
            Day 11 9 August 2013 00: 36 New
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            By the way, the lion’s name is Simba
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 9 August 2013 00: 38 New
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              The commander of the 257th Royal Air Force fighter squadron, Robert Stanford Tuck, in the cockpit of his Hurricane fighter. On board the fighter are marked on 23 victories, of which 7 were won over Dunkirk, and the rest in the "Battle of Britain." Photograph taken at Martlesham Heath airfield, Suffolk County.

              In January 1942, Taka was shot down by anti-aircraft fire in France, and he was captured. By this time, he had 27 shot down German planes.
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              Day 11 9 August 2013 00: 41 New
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              Great Sanya - join the discussion
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 9 August 2013 00: 45 New
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                As far as I remember, the direct participation of the USSR in the conflict was extremely not welcomed by Stalin, I had to call for pilots Li-si-tsin for war ... For friendly reasons!
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                2. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 9 August 2013 00: 51 New
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                  Under the pseudonym Hu .. Well, often on the air it was heard: Vasya cover me, hu.nu laughing
                  1. studentmati
                    studentmati 9 August 2013 00: 54 New
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                    Quote: Alex 241
                    Under the pseudonym Hu .. Well, often on the air it was heard: Vasya cover me, hu.nu


                    War is war, but the temperament of the Russian Soul cannot be stopped! smile
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 9 August 2013 00: 59 New
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                      Yeah, San always and everywhere we have little space;)
                      1. studentmati
                        studentmati 9 August 2013 01: 05 New
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                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Yeah, San always and everywhere we have little space;)


                        Our open spaces oblige !!!

                        I’ll analyze, Sash, the statistics of state division: how many countries were “then” and how many were “today”? I am sure that GDP should and draws conclusions and leading steps!
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            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 9 August 2013 00: 44 New
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              Hi Sanya, yes, the enemy must be studied, although the experience of past wars, but still internally breaks, you understand what I'm talking about. This is closer to me.
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 9 August 2013 00: 51 New
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                Quote: Alex 241
                Hi Sanya, yes, the enemy must be studied, although the experience of past wars, but still internally breaks, you understand what I'm talking about. Here it is closer to me


                Was the Korean War offensive, unlike the Great Patriotic War? I understand you, Sash correctly?
          4. studentmati
            studentmati 9 August 2013 00: 42 New
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            The photo is clear !!! good War is war, but nothing human is alien to us! drinks
            1. studentmati
              studentmati 9 August 2013 00: 48 New
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              This comment is not attached here. I attached it to the photo with a wild cat.
        2. smiths xnumx
          smiths xnumx 9 August 2013 00: 49 New
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          I read about the Italians and the Luftwaffe allies (Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Spain). Denis you have nothing on the military use of the Romanian Polish PZL-11/24. They bought them and made them under license in Brasov, and then they created their own IAR-80/81 fighter based on them.
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          2. Day 11
            Day 11 9 August 2013 00: 58 New
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            I rummage. I think there was something.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 9 August 2013 01: 23 New
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              If you are interested in boats, I can drop Cyclones.
          3. Alex 241
            Alex 241 9 August 2013 01: 02 New
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            http://alternathistory.org.ua/opozdavshii-pzl-50-jastrzab-polsha
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 9 August 2013 01: 03 New
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              http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/iar80.html Вот Ром нарыл кое что.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 9 August 2013 01: 07 New
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                IAR-80/81 fighter.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 9 August 2013 01: 11 New
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                  THERE IS ONE MORE UNKNOWN PAGE OF WAR: Most people interested in the history of air wars know about Soviet pilots - internationalists fighting in the sky of republican Spain in 1936 - 1939. However, only a few know that during the Great Patriotic War shoulder to shoulder with Soviet people on the fronts and in partisan detachments courageously fought against the Nazi invaders more than 600 Spanish emigrants who found their second homeland in our country. In the fall of 1941, during the difficult days of the defense of Moscow, a special battalion of Spanish volunteers was created. According to the capital’s defense plan, he was supposed to defend a section of Red Square.

                  At that time, many experienced commanders of the Spanish Republican Aviation lived in the Soviet Union - Leopoldo Marquillas (photo bottom right), Manuel Zarausa, Antonio Arias, Ladislao Duarte, Marciano Diaz, Francisco Merogno, Joaquin Diaz and many others.

                  All of them gave their combat experience acquired in almost three years of air battles to the training of young pilots - fighters of the Great Patriotic War.

                  Leopoldo Marquillas
                  They say: debt is red by payment. And driven by the same feeling that led to the exploits of the Soviet falcons in the flaming skies of Spain, young Spanish pilots paid their international duty to our homeland, bravely fighting against a common enemy in various sectors of the vast front.

                  So, in the battles near Stalingrad, Anselmo Sepulveda assaulting German tanks on his IL-2, being knocked out, without taking the car out of a dive, brought it down on an enemy convoy. There, over the Volga, on Mamaev Kurgan, the remains of the brave pilot of the 788th fighter regiment Jose Pascual Santamaria, who had 14 air victories in his account and was awarded the posthumous Order of Lenin, rest.

                  Manuel Zarausa
                  A fighter Isidoro Najera was killed in an air battle near Mozdok, and a monument to another courageous defender of the Caucasus, fighter commander Manuel Zarause (photo left), who died in an airplane accident, is raised in a cemetery in Baku.

                  In February 1942, a fighter Alfredo Villalon was shot down in an air battle over Ukrainian land. He was captured by the Nazis and shot in Zhytomyr. In the sky of Ukraine died in December 1943 and Antonio Uribe.

                  Pilot of the 153rd Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment José Crespillo fell in an air battle over Polish territory. When attacking enemy tanks in Hungary, near Lake Balaton, Seferino Munoz was killed. In 1944, in the battles over the land of Estonia, the hero Ignacio Aguirre Bekito died (photo on the right).

                  Ignacio Aguirre
                  In 1937, Ignacio Aguirre arrived in Leningrad, together with other little Spaniards, from the flames of Spain’s war. The victory of the Francoists deprived the children of the opportunity to return to Spain, and our country became their second homeland
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                    Alex 241 9 August 2013 01: 13 New
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                    From the first days of World War II, young Spaniards rushed to the front. Ignacio Aguirre was admitted to an aviation school and returned to a fighter pilot blocked by Leningrad. He fought bravely, participated in the battles for lifting the blockade, but did not survive until the bright day of Victory ...

                    The Soviet people will never be forgotten by these knights of international duty, who gave their lives for a common just cause - the fight against fascism. But speaking of them, I want to recall those who, having gone through the entire war, survived. One of the most famous Spanish pilots - internationalists was Francisco Merogno Peliker.

                    He was born on June 17, 1917. He began his military activity in Spain, during the civil war. He commanded the squadron 6/21. Flying on the I-16, shot down 7 enemy aircraft. At the end of 1938, along with 5 other pilots, Francisco Merogno was sent to the USSR, to the Air Force Higher Flight and Tactical School. But by the time they were released, the war in Spain was already over ...

                    With the outbreak of World War II, a brave pilot volunteered to go to the front. Since November 1941, participating in the defense of Moscow, has gained its new victories. He fought as part of the 1st Fighter Aviation Brigade and the 283rd IAP. Later, recalling those hard days, he writes:

                    Fighter Yak-7A.
                    “I was more fortunate than others: I got a new Yak-7 fighter. Other pilots envied me, because my Yak easily gained altitude, maneuvered well and had considerable speed. It was easy to fight even with the new German Me fighter -109F. "

                    Then he flew as part of the 1st squadron of the 960th IAP Air Defense. In the winter of 1943, the regiment received La-5 aircraft. On February 23, 1943, he was handed a personal aircraft built with funds raised by Komsomol members and youth of the city of Tula, with the inscription on board: "Squadron named after Hero of the Soviet Union Alexander Chekalin." On this machine, a brave pilot participated in the defense of Tula.

                    In one of the battles near Kursk in the summer of 1943 he was hit. He jumped with a parachute, was seriously injured and spent 4 months in the hospital.

                    Merono Francisco
                    He ended the war with the rank of Captain, but by that time he had been decommissioned.

                    According to some sources, during the period of the Great Patriotic War, Francisco Merogno won 20 victories, including group victories (according to others, taking into account Spain).

                    After being wounded, until the end of the war, he served as a pilot instructor in one of the aviation schools.

                    After the war, he continued to live in the USSR after the war. He was on a business trip in Cuba.

                    La-5 Francisco Merogno

                    Fighter La-5 Francisco Merogno. 960th IAP, winter 1942 - 1943

                    La-5 Francisco Merogno
                    Talking about the Spanish pilots serving in the Soviet Air Force, I would like to recall other comrades in arms who made their worthy contribution to the great cause of the victory over fascism both at the front and behind: Carlos Aguirre, who completed more than 2 sorties on his IL-270 and flying on it to Berlin; Antonio Ariasa - a participant in the defense of Leningrad, the liberation of Belarus and Latvia; Alfonso Garcia, who ended his glorious military career in Czechoslovakia. Hundreds of young pilots learned the combat use of the formidable IL-2 attack aircraft from experienced methodologists Marciano Diaz and Leopoldo Markillas.

                    Thus, the brotherhood of Spanish and Soviet people, born in the formidable sky of Spain, fastened with blood in battles against hated fascism, found its unexpected continuation in the sky of our Motherland.

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                  2. studentmati
                    studentmati 9 August 2013 01: 17 New
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                    Apparently 60 years of Victory is still not enough?

                    History is a political discipline!

                    History is presented either by order (by people, albeit scientists, but appointed), or by vocation (by people selfless and not corrupt.).
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 9 August 2013 01: 19 New
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                      Better of course when called.
              2. studentmati
                studentmati 9 August 2013 01: 09 New
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                The first link has passed, the second is stupid. I realized, Sasha, what are you talking about! Thank!

                Studying the history of aviation, you will understand the history of the State !!!
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 9 August 2013 01: 15 New
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                  Sash type in search of iar 80 a corner of the sky.
                  1. studentmati
                    studentmati 9 August 2013 01: 22 New
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                    Thanks, Sash, made a bookmark, read and study. (At first I wanted to write briefly - "I will scan it.")
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 9 August 2013 01: 24 New
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                      Sash your mind is better than any scanner good
                      1. studentmati
                        studentmati 9 August 2013 01: 32 New
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                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Sash your mind is better than any scanner


                        Thank you, Sash for the compliment, but you, I'm sure "of ours" !!!

                        The Soviet school set a single goal - VICTORY!

                        Goal - task - execution - result - report!

                        Lack of performance report - execution! Other - shooting!
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 9 August 2013 00: 41 New
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    The article would put a minus ...
    Only in ONE book of the son of ace I. Sutyagin very good statistics of victories and losses on both sides are given.
    "MiG Alley" - one name speaks for itself. As if the "mattresses" did not want, the loss ratio is not in their favor.
    Veterans give an averaged figure: for airplanes - 3 to 1 for “our benefit”, for flight personnel - 3 for 2, due to those saved in the waters of the Yellow Sea, where MiGs were forbidden to fly, which USAF pilots used on damaged cars, and simply fleeing from the Soviet pilots.
    The statistics were “worsened” by the air forces of the PRC and DPRK due to worse preparation, and their MiGs had weaker engines than those of the Soviet MiGs.
    1. Sour
      Sour 10 August 2013 18: 52 New
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      Only in ONE book of the son of ace I. Sutyagin
      Hero of the Soviet Union Nikolai Vasilyevich Sutyagin - my fellow countryman, hailing from a neighboring village. In his small homeland they remember their fellow countryman, although there he is not the only one. 5 Heroes of the Union (including 1 marshal and 1 general) and 2 full gentlemen of the Order of Glory left our area. For a small rural area a lot. Why, my fellow countrymen have always been able to fight.