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“Only friendship with them can be worse than the war with the Anglo-Saxons”

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In language, the expression “partner”, “western partner”, and friendly relations with the Western world are nauseated. I would like to clarify that mentally, at the level of the subconscious Russian, in the phrase “friendly relations” puts somewhat different concepts than the Anglo-Saxons. Relations between the countries during the Soviet era, we were building with more than forty countries of the "black continent". Within the framework of these relations, the USSR provided long-term concessional loans, and often (and to a considerable extent) simple direct financial assistance.




Geological exploration and construction of hydropower plants, oil refining complexes, cement plants: the Soviet contribution to the industrialization of African countries was enormous. Here is one quote from the American ambassador to Guinea, William Attwood: "The Guineans treated Soviet goods as gifts to Santa Claus, and did not refuse anything." And this is only Africa! To say that at this moment we did not know where to put the money, it is impossible. But we built schools in Afghanistan, ports in the Baltic States, railways in Vietnam.

And now we will find some differences, we will look, as our partners "work". The policy of the United States and Great Britain has been described many times, including by American citizens. John Perkins, in his book Confessions of an Economic Killer, described several countries in which he personally pursued a “economic killer” policy. Tezisno this policy can be described as follows: the promise of investment in the economy + the construction of infrastructure. In fact, the country is simply "driven into debt." Getting out of this debt pit is very difficult. But in order for a country to plunge into a debt trap or undergo an occupation, it is not necessary to borrow from the United States (or the IMF). Sometimes it is enough just to try to establish “friendly relations”.

In the 1980 year, after long throwing "between smart and beautiful" Saddam Hussein falls into the arms of the United States. States provoke him to start a war with Iran, which shortly before that as a result of the Islamic revolution out of their orbit of influence. It does not cause any public censure either from the US or from the UK. On the contrary, the Iraqi Air Force is able to use the airfields of Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Jordan. And Hussein, in order to please his new "friends", for eight years led a bloody war, about the beginning of which he did not even inform the government of the USSR. In February, 1982, Baghdad was suddenly removed from the American list of states that "support international terrorism," which meant the beginning of the expansion of trade, economic and military ties. The partnership is expanding and deepening. Iraq receives over a billion dollars in US financial assistance in 1984-85. However, the economy of Iraq after the eight-year war is bursting at the seams. The oil industry is partially destroyed, Iraq’s debt to Kuwait has exceeded 14 billion dollars. And Hussein drew for himself the conclusion that, having won 8 years with the “offender of the USA”, he has the right to “small preferences”.

Any war in the oil-bearing areas does not go without close attention of the United States, and Saddam is unlikely to start military operations without a “green traffic light”. Iraq is pushing its army to the border, and US Ambassador to Iraq E. Glaspi says: "We have nothing to say about Arab-Arab differences, such as your differences with Kuwait on the issue of borders." Saddam Hussein throws away the last doubts: the day after Kelly’s speech, Iraq stops negotiations with Kuwait, and the day after, on August 2, the invasion begins. The unexpectedly harsh reaction of the United Nations and the condemnation of Iraq by all members of the Security Council is surprising in Baghdad. After all, so did not agree! 3 August 1990, the George W. Bush administration imposes trade sanctions on Iraq. Saddam Hussein makes a clumsy attempt to rectify the situation. 5 August 1990 really begins the withdrawal of Iraqi units from Kuwaiti territory.

Agree strange sequence! Start military actions 2 August, and 5-th to withdraw the troops. In order to save face, 8 August 1990, Saddam Hussein announces the accession of Kuwait to Iraq. What happened next, we remember. Gulf War for the liberation of Kuwait, international sanctions, development charges weapons mass destruction and the promotion of international terrorism, no-fly zone, the Iraq war - with the full subsequent "democratization".

And yet, why is Iraq, and not Iran, the main “offender” of US interests in the Middle East region? The answer is simple - only friendship with them can be worse than the war with the Anglo-Saxons. Why fight with your own hands, if you can with the hands of "friends"! Of course, not all of the “friends” of the United States end up as Hussein ended his life, some manage only with a slight fright and a ruined reputation. But if you follow the policy of overseas partners without complaint and consistently, then you personally might get lucky: you will travel around the world and give lectures, but there will be much more victims. Among them will be your people, which you have deceived and robbed, in order to please your personal interests and the appetites of the “golden billion”.

And it is very sad to observe how the leaders of the countries of the former USSR are trying to improve relations with the West, stubbornly believing that they will enter the number of those who, having completed their term on the presidential chair, will carefreely live out their time in Miami. No, this street is one-way. The rules of movement on it are unchanged for more than half a century: your people lose, and most - as lucky ...
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  1. My address
    My address 7 August 2013 14: 08
    61
    And the Soviet Union lived normally until the spotted member of the Central Committee began to flirt with the West. We produced more per person than South Korea. And now?
    1. Retx
      Retx 7 August 2013 14: 14
      46
      Quote: My address
      until a spotty member of the Central Committee began flirting with the West.

      Partners are only in sex (s) and here we are raped recourse
      1. My address
        My address 7 August 2013 14: 57
        22
        Michael, and you are right. I know that I have friends, good comrades, just comrades, good acquaintances. Partners and employees were. Partners are only in card games, where either me or me.
        1. Vasya Ivanov
          Vasya Ivanov 8 August 2013 06: 09
          10
          The USA has no friends, only vassals. And if you lay down under the p.i.nd.so.sov.v, then you will not guess, or you will become a beloved wife, or they will let you in a circle. In the finale even beloved wives are allowed in a circle.
      2. phantom359
        phantom359 7 August 2013 23: 24
        +9
        Quote: RETX
        Quote: My address
        until a spotty member of the Central Committee began flirting with the West.

        Partners are only in sex (s) and here we are raped recourse

        Well, not yet raped. They are trying, only it sucks so far. The calculation was that by this time Russia would already be divided into a bunch of principalities. In Ukraine, they are trying to push western and eastern between their foreheads. According to my observations, they are also slipping.
        1. a52333
          7 August 2013 23: 28
          13
          They succeed at least in the fact that we are still apart! (I mean Ukraine + Russia + Belarus)
          1. shark
            shark 8 August 2013 11: 04
            +6
            If you hadn’t been apart, you have long had the states as a corrupt girl. Who, in fact, America is
          2. phantom359
            phantom359 8 August 2013 13: 16
            +4
            Quote: a52333
            They succeed at least in the fact that we are still apart! (I mean Ukraine + Russia + Belarus)

            All in good time.
      3. taseka
        taseka 8 August 2013 06: 13
        +2
        "your people are losing, but how lucky you are ..." "Something quickly forgot Bakiev from Minsk! The question is, were the Kirghiz lucky?"
      4. dmitrich
        dmitrich 8 August 2013 06: 43
        +4
        The United States wouldn’t have the mind to do this, the country was handed over to Gorbachev, and then Yeltsin finished off. Only their betrayal destroyed the country.
        1. yak69
          yak69 8 August 2013 08: 29
          11
          Quote: Dmitry
          Gorbachev surrendered the country, and then finished off Yeltsin. Only their betrayal destroyed the country.

          Betrayal in power continues successfully! Is Chubais, Kokh, Shokhin, Shakhrai (members of the government of the 90s) written off to the dustbin of history? And the new generation brought by Putin - the gref, zurabov, fursenko, hermit, skvortsova, stools ?! These are all worthy followers of the EBN and Gaidar covenants.
          But we all lacked intelligence in the 90s, when the whole country shouted "Boris is our Tsar!" When we all chased after sneakers and tampaks, on the way cursing the CPSU and rejoicing at the "liberation".
          Now, having breathed in "freedom", having seen what values ​​were offered to us instead of the lost ones, we are slowly beginning to understand that we (like sperm from an anecdote) are in a condom and are preparing to throw us all into the trash.

          We all have very little time left - everyone needs to grow wiser and grow up faster! Learn to distinguish between enemies and friends, make the right decisions and choose real patriots, not beautifully speaking. Judge by business, not by promise.
          1. old man54
            old man54 8 August 2013 23: 03
            +2
            Quote: yak69
            We all have very little time left - everyone needs to grow wiser and grow up faster! Learn to distinguish between enemies and friends, make the right decisions and choose real patriots, not beautifully speaking. Judge by business, not by promise.

            very well write wisely, pleasantly surprised! hi
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 7 August 2013 14: 41
      -50 qualifying.
      "And the Soviet Union lived normally"
      You, dear, apparently have forgotten the magic words "blat" and "deficit".
      1. a52333
        7 August 2013 15: 11
        28
        forgot the magic words "blat" and "scarcity"

        Skews occur under all regimes, both under the Soviet and the Consumer-Democratic. And modern Russia has yet to find a new path (maybe Chinese?)
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 7 August 2013 17: 24
          24
          rather, it was China that went our way, only with a serious eye, a deep analysis of the USSR’s misconduct and mistakes and a definite adaptation of the entire socialist system that was relevant for China.
          Capitalism is a huge parasite that devours everything and everything around. when the victim ends, it will die of hunger, but it will be too late. so you need to urgently seek a cure!
          1. a52333
            7 August 2013 17: 27
            +6
            that rather it is China went our way
            It is difficult to say in China, there is a suspicion that they will soon take the place of the United States. I will try to express my doubts about this in the next article.
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 7 August 2013 18: 04
              +7
              they will be able to take the place of the USA. as a leader in GDP, but it is unlikely that they will be able to equal in another. yet China is extremely far from perfect. GDP per capita is extremely small. even against the background of the Russian Federation. it is about 70% higher while China’s total GDP is about 500% higher than the Russian Federation. And this is just a single example.
              In addition, if the West turns fishing rods in terms of production in China, the latter will also lose a lot. In general, time will tell.
            2. guran
              guran 8 August 2013 03: 43
              +3
              What are you saying) he suspects)) "If you killed Jesse James, it does not mean that you became one" (American proverb)
              If China overwhelmed the world with its rotten sneakers, this does not mean that it has become a superpower.
              1. DimychDV
                DimychDV 8 August 2013 04: 35
                +2
                We mastered the general view - now we must not forget about the details. They can follow the path of the USSR: when assembling a pressure cooker in the absence of instructions, a Kalashnikov assault rifle is obtained.
        2. Very old
          Very old 7 August 2013 19: 12
          +2
          Our life goes on in Sino-Indian mode, you, Alexei, don’t think so? On the one hand, there are mountains, on the other, an abyss ... But in China, 1.5 billion, without significant mineral reserves. What Russia has, you (and all) know. They started a little earlier, but this is not decisive. Here is the novel-silver_roman (paragraph below) correctly noted. I wish you success. per article certainly +. We are waiting for the promised next
          1. a52333
            7 August 2013 21: 41
            +1
            Our life goes on in Sino-Indian mode,
            They have another "mineral": a huge population resource. How to use it, in work or war, is the second question. I don't think, Valentin, that the human resource can be discounted that way. He will be beaten beautifully! Give me a couple of days, I'll post my doubts in the article, and we, together with our members of the forum, will discuss my concerns. I hope I'm exaggerating.
        3. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 7 August 2013 21: 46
          +3
          These were not distortions. Yes, cronyism and scarcity are nonsense. But what about the dying center of the country? Or do you think it became "under the Democrats"? Oh, if only ... Dead villages, dead roads, dead land of 6 centners of grain per hectare ... We gave our blood to the blacks, we no longer have enough. And cold awareness at work - it all went! I saw a destroyed centralized vacuum cleaner system in a workshop littered with ten-year layers of dust. Let's restore! Stunned? By whom and with what? Repairs used to pull like that ... But the blacks had everything. Eh ...
          1. guran
            guran 8 August 2013 03: 56
            -1
            What are these distortions? This is far from distortions, it is an image of the terrible life of Soviet people. Nonsense, speak? No, my friend, far from nonsense. Blat and scarcity is the total humiliation of the people, the transformation of the population into a rat-like crowd, when the more lopsided, more fit, more unprincipled survive. When people change the concept of values ​​in life, and they kill each other for scarce jeans.
            Exactly, they donated blood to blacks, exchanged high-tech stormtroopers for bananas and colinos razor cream, is that normal? They built factories in Africa for Marxist kisses passionately. And none of the people in power asked the people, the people were allowed to be silent in a rag and in the kitchen let down a trickle of discontent. Now at least everything is open. Everything is negotiable. Everything is in sight. If we sell anything, then like all normal countries - for money or geopolitical preferences.
          2. Very old
            Very old 12 August 2013 21: 26
            0
            Someone slapped you, Mikhail, 2 "-" obviously from ignorance of the question. They drove, drove, drove a lot tanned, if suddenly one of them took it into a pumpkin to build socialism. And do not feed our udodov bread to help the newly-made builders of socialism, in what they - no, no. But they saw through the Brezhnevs and the Khrushchevs
      2. My address
        My address 7 August 2013 15: 21
        17
        There was a lot of nonsense. For example, a shortage of meat and clogged refrigerators (half had a pull in the trade). I got the Soviet irons - for fixing the loose handle it is necessary to open the unit, there were geniuses in the light industry! But now is not just nonsense, but bad things.

        Even the GDP in 2008-m recognized that the economy only overcame the failures after the collapse of the USSR. Yes, now every second family has a two-storey house in the country, the building complex in the country was not like the current one.

        And you plus a reminder. There were a lot of stupid things, but people treated each other better.
        1. rumatam
          rumatam 7 August 2013 15: 50
          12
          this is where you, dear saw every second family a second house? We don’t get one per family, we have to check newspapers with people.
          1. My address
            My address 7 August 2013 19: 27
            +1
            I wrote db. is an abbreviation for "should be".
          2. German
            German 8 August 2013 02: 49
            +3
            yes ... that's just about the relationship between people, he is still right .....
        2. guran
          guran 8 August 2013 04: 17
          -1
          About the meat-stuffed refrigerator, you said it without thinking, I hope. Maybe in Moscow and St. Petersburg there were such families, and that is far from all. On the periphery (and this, for a minute, 99,8% of the country's territory) there was a total deficit. The camp set of products was relatively accessible to the people: cereals, bread, milk, vegetable oil, and smoke. For example, in Vladivostok, half-smoked sausage (only two varieties) was sold in two stores - cooperative ones and at a price of 8-10 rubles / kg, which is not cheap for a simple worker.
          Yes, now every second family has a two-story house in the country,

          Hardly. You forget that the problem of housing for the population was not even economic, but rather political. The regime of Soviet power did not contribute to improving the life of the population.
          Apartments yes, were cheap. Here are just some. To begin with, the norm was no more than 9 meters per person. And in the queue for expansion put, if less than 6-7, and sometimes for life. 20-30 years in the queue is not so much. People were dying without getting housing. Moreover, in the RSFSR there was a norm for the area of ​​a private house - 16-17 meters per person, that is, one person should not have built a house more than 16 meters. In the Caucasus and the Baltic states the norms were not so strict, and in the RSFSR it was possible to have only hacks. So where would suddenly and suddenly appear two-story houses in the country? The comfort and well-being of the population did not fit into the politics of the party and the Soviet system as a whole.
          1. explorer
            explorer 8 August 2013 07: 07
            +2
            Quote: guran
            For example, in Vladivostok, half-smoked sausage (only two varieties) was sold in two stores - cooperative ones and at a price of 8-10 rubles / kg, which is not cheap for a simple worker.

            In Chelyabinsk in the 80s, I observed only two types of sausage in stores, but
            was in the summer of 86 in Khabarovsk, a store in the center: an assortment of sausages as of now ... an abundance of those days.
            But in general, everything depended on time (proximity of the 90s) and the availability of food processing enterprises in the city.

            Quote: guran
            The regime of Soviet power did not contribute to improving the life of the population.

            Over the past 20 years, the regime has definitely contributed to a better life. repeat but exclusively his .. bully
      3. Alez
        Alez 7 August 2013 16: 15
        25
        Under the USSR, any hard worker working successfully could become a boss. The USSR had the training of any personnel. And now try to get settled without cronyism, only sycophants and idols pass by. My father started out as a veterinarian, reached the chairman of a state farm. Under him, schools, roads, industries were built, the party helped the hard workers. They gave me housing and work. He died of overvoltage before he was 50, so after him the current "non-paid" directors successfully bankrupted the state farm. Of all the wealth, roads remained, so it is difficult to take them apart, the rest was taken apart, taken away, sold. So there is no shortage now, but you can buy an apartment yourself, MORTGAGE (SLAVERY) from private capital for 20-30 years.
        1. sasha.28blaga
          sasha.28blaga 8 August 2013 04: 25
          +7
          I also want to say about the deputies of the Soviet and current. Previously, they were chosen for their merits, but now for money.
        2. sasha.28blaga
          sasha.28blaga 8 August 2013 04: 28
          +3
          And about the deficit, now there is no deficit because most of the artificial products can be riveted as much as necessary and do not deteriorate. Take milk for advice, for example, for three days and it has turned sour, but now it can stand a week. Try to feed at least one country only with natural products and get a shortage.
      4. Ivan Tucha
        Ivan Tucha 7 August 2013 16: 26
        24
        Quote: Black Colonel

        You, dear, apparently have forgotten the magic words "blat" and "deficit".

        The word "blat" has a special power right now. And in all spheres of life.
        1. German
          German 8 August 2013 02: 51
          +1
          Especially with regard to Ukraine ....
        2. sasha.28blaga
          sasha.28blaga 8 August 2013 04: 31
          0
          Someone had a blat, someone had high earnings and both could live and not survive. And who did not have either one or the other, he didn’t need anything at all.
      5. avdkrd
        avdkrd 7 August 2013 16: 59
        22
        Blat and scarcity became widespread only in the mid-80s. That is, when the country's course was taken to collapse. At the same time, everyone who wanted to could buy themselves almost any clothes or what at that time belonged to luxury goods (video equipment, radio equipment). The lag in consumer electronics is more of a myth, at one time I was shocked when Grundik discovered a picture tube with the label "made in the USSR" on a 1986 TV set. The consumer market was indeed stumped. The process was started by a maize operator, when he dispersed 200 artels specializing in all sectors except heavy industry. The state regulatory apparatus is not able to flexibly respond to consumer demand in light industry and beyond. The humpback did not rebuild, but purposefully destroyed it.
        Documents and confessions have long been published that the deficit of the late nineties was created artificially.
        1. Gregazov
          Gregazov 7 August 2013 19: 52
          +5
          I do not agree with you. In the 70s, he lived in the city of Azov, Rostov Region, secretary of the regional committee Bondarenko. I remember very clearly how in 1974. stood in line for butter and wrote numbers on his hands. I remember how already at that time they took a turn to the grocery store without even knowing what they would bring. The goods were taken out for sale by the end of the working day (this should not be taken away) so that the hard workers (my rollers) could at least buy something, thanks to the queue that was occupied by me. Such things did not happen everywhere. There were even tourist trains for food to Ukraine, for tangerines to Abkhazia, for clothes to Belarus. So, the concept of deficit, nomenclature and blat is not from the 80s, and not even from the 70s, but much earlier.
          If someone objects to me that this was not in Moscow, I answered. Back in 1969 was in Moscow with his father and older brother. Father led to Red Square, went to the GUM and immediately became in several lines for the deficit. I did not remember what kind of deficit they put me on (I was six years old), but I remember that I left the line to look at the policeman-regulator (I had never seen such a miracle). It all ended with the fact that my father found me with difficulty, dropped all the lines and we left.
          1. Nick
            Nick 7 August 2013 21: 36
            +2
            Quote: GregAzov
            I do not agree with you. In the 70s, he lived in the city of Azov, Rostov Region, secretary of the regional committee Bondarenko. I remember very clearly how in 1974. stood in line for butter and wrote numbers on his hands. I remember how already at that time they took a turn to the grocery store without even knowing what they would bring.

            All these are the results of the Khrushchev revision of the Lenin-Stalin heritage. Stupid dogmatist decided that industrial and agricultural. cooperation is a capitalist form of management, although it lacks the exploiters and the exploited.
            Having ruined the agricultural and industrial cooperatives, Khrushchev ruined the consumer market, and therefore devalued honest labor, since It became impossible for a simple worker to buy many groups of goods, such a concept as a "scarce commodity" appeared and not honest work and honestly earned money became valued, personal connections and cronyism began to be valued higher, and from there went corruption, bribes, etc. In short, the same rot that led to the destruction of the USSR.
      6. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 7 August 2013 17: 10
        11
        Black Colonel (1)

        You, dear, apparently have forgotten the magic words "blat" and "deficit".


        Until the end of the 70s in the USSR there were no words of blat and deficit.
        And then, through the pull through the anus, they sold a "deficit", which included: nylon shirts and blouses, synthetic tights and stockings, bolognese raincoats and synthetic fur coats, gold products, crystal, carpets, jeans, books, muskrat hats, delicacies and so on. crap unnecessary in everyday life, except for books, of course.
        1. guran
          guran 8 August 2013 04: 39
          -1
          Quote: Corsair5912
          Until the end of the 70s in the USSR there were no words of blat and deficit.

          And you lived in the forties, that you are so sure? Until the seventies, there were no requests from the population. They walked in quilted jackets and took vodka with sprats, and there was no need for more. Many did not know what it means - well-being and comfort. They didn’t even know such words.
          You see, people are changing. They see how they live in other developed countries, compare, and they also want to live in abundance. But the Soviet government could not offer general prosperity. Only camp level. Well, or the level of a hostel with a shared kitchen and a foul toilet at the end of the corridor.

          Quote: Corsair5912
          delicacies and other shit unnecessary in everyday life, except for books, of course.

          You yourself do not judge the needs and desires of the people. Not everyone is like Vasisualiy Lokhankin, for whom it was enough to have books, a tricot with outstretched knees and an alcoholic t-shirt in everyday life.
          1. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 8 August 2013 22: 43
            +2
            Quote: guran

            And you lived in the forties, that you are so sure? Until the seventies, there were no requests from the population. They walked in quilted jackets and took vodka with sprats, and there was no need for more. Many did not know what it means - well-being and comfort. They didn’t even know such words.
            You see, people are changing. They see how they live in other developed countries, compare, and they also want to live in abundance. But the Soviet government could not offer general prosperity. Only camp level. Well, or the level of a hostel with a shared kitchen and a foul toilet at the end of the corridor.
            You yourself do not judge the needs and desires of the people. Not everyone is like Vasisualiy Lokhankin, for whom it was enough to have books, a tricot with outstretched knees and an alcoholic t-shirt in everyday life.

            In the 40s there was war and post-war devastation, if you do not remember.
            The Soviet government did not have bins closed from the people, all that was in the country was what the people had. But in debt they didn’t go to anyone and did not bend their backs to foreign owners.
            The country's prosperity grew, and the people's standard of living grew, until a lot of snickering parasites divorced, which natural food and clothing did not suit, they lacked imported luxury, crystal, carpets, gold and other rubbish.
            These bastards and sold the USSR for Judas, silver pieces and 100 varieties of fake sausages from GMO soy with carcinogenic synthetic substitutes for color, taste, etc.
            I don’t count these shitty people.
      7. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 7 August 2013 17: 38
        -3
        Quote: Black Colonel
        forgot the magic words "blat" and "scarcity".

        Fragment from Stuart Kagan's book "The Kremlin Wolf"
        "He (Lazar Kaganovich) almost did not spend his pay, because as a party leader, he had the right, when he wanted, to pick up food from shops and shops controlled by the Bolsheviks for free. This was a great advantage of leaders over ordinary party members. In the future, this principle of "closed distribution" for their own people became the main principle of the distribution of the state, in which, after Trotsky left, Kaganovich became the most important Jew."
        What they sought, it turned out!
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 9 August 2013 11: 22
          0
          Quote: Hedgehog
          Quote: Black Colonel
          forgot the magic words "blat" and "scarcity".

          Fragment from Stuart Kagan's book "The Kremlin Wolf"
          "He (Lazar Kaganovich) almost did not spend his pay, because as a party leader, he had the right, when he wanted, to pick up food from shops and shops controlled by the Bolsheviks for free. This was a great advantage of leaders over ordinary party members. In the future, this principle of "closed distribution" for their own people became the main principle of the distribution of the state, in which, after Trotsky left, Kaganovich became the most important Jew."
          What they sought, it turned out!

          Politicians at the Kaganovich level, on state security, in the USSR there were no more than 50 people. A country with a population of 289 million people could afford small expenses for their maintenance.
      8. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 7 August 2013 18: 02
        13
        Blat grows from a deficit, and a deficit comes from the fact that the people have more money than they can spend. What a joy it was to buy a washing machine, and without any credit, because there was money, and you could only buy in line. And the locksmith of the ORS base in the Far North received from 350-400 rubles, and the three-door wardrobe cost 130 rubles. sofa bed 90 rub. Motorcycle "Voskhod-2" -320 r. "Java" - 600 rubles. So what should my salary be in comparison with the Soviet period and our prices.
        1. Very old
          Very old 7 August 2013 19: 24
          +5
          shasherin_pavtel, do not pay attention to someone's "-". It all started with food. How was it? He just took up the post of general secretary, he is already a genius, and in agriculture - the foremost specialist and expert, From Nikita to the spanked one. The result is known
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 7 August 2013 21: 58
          +4
          Quote: shasherin_pavel
          Blat grows from deficit, and deficit comes from the fact that people have more money than they can spend.

          + thoughtless, if not more criminal system of distribution of goods:
          boat motors (!?) were brought to the deserts of Central Asia, umbrellas for the beach, etc, etc ...
        3. Nikaviz
          Nikaviz 8 August 2013 01: 51
          +5
          And I worked in Vorkuta for 35 years on the Russian Railways ... the supply to the Arctic was from St. Petersburg, it was everything ... but it was that they stood in lines for meat, cereals, but it was rare ... and the salary was from 750- 1200 V / m it was not possible to fly to Crimea or Sochi every week for a weekend ... Miners received almost the same amount ... and flew to resorts for 2-3 days if the team allowed ... And the main thing is mutual assistance in all relations, indifferent nebylo ... they would be despised. drinks
        4. German
          German 8 August 2013 02: 59
          0
          And where is it and when did JAVA cost 600 rubles? 950 as I remember-1979. I also borrowed 50 rubles from my aunt ....
        5. abdrah
          abdrah 8 August 2013 04: 33
          +3
          In the north, in addition, there was a polar allowance and seniority on the hot grid was on. The foodstuffs really cost a little more, but the difference between the 1st and 3rd belts was very insignificant.
        6. sasha.28blaga
          sasha.28blaga 8 August 2013 04: 37
          +2
          The driver of the city bus received from 600 rubles. up to 800 rubles., and his head of the convoy 240-300 rubles. (the neighbor worked), so who has the blat, and who could afford the same income.
      9. dimon-media
        dimon-media 7 August 2013 18: 17
        +6
        Quote: Black Colonel
        apparently forgot the magic words "blat" and "scarcity".

        But for some reason, at the same time, everything was in every Soviet house.
      10. Very old
        Very old 7 August 2013 18: 56
        +3
        There was also pull, there was also a deficit. But the conversation here is about something else. How the Union showed itself (how Russia-RF behaves) in the world, in relations with other countries, and what "partners" USA have / However, there is a big difference, as the Chukchi-Vasya says
      11. Lomikus
        Lomikus 7 August 2013 20: 06
        +1
        It is necessary to separate the Stalinist USSR and after the Stalinist collapse of the USSR, here is a simple example of global treason by the top of the Central Committee: The role of the USSR leadership in the lunar scam of NASA - http://oko-planet.su/history/historydiscussions/201817-rol-rukovodstva-sssr-v- lu
        nnoy-afere-nasa.html
      12. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 7 August 2013 22: 33
        +3
        Do you personally know these concepts, young man?
        Otherwise, I can not position you, because only a young man / ignoramus can "mold" with such cliches.
        1. German
          German 8 August 2013 03: 15
          +5
          ..began the "democratic" press .. Damn! Yes, I was a turner apprentice at the age of 79, I went to YUMZ! I had "student" 90re + what I earned ... what donkey let the "duck" go, what was the average salary 120re? Where is it and when? YES! my mother worked at the rate of an engineer-technologist (115 + premium), but one c.e.n. came out about 220-230re. And together with the "student's" 300-320 it came out ... and my father for For 22 years at the DShZ I received two apartments (1 and 2) And neither mother nor father were in the CPSU and neither were members of the trade union committee nor the shop committee ... that's how I remember Soviet times ...
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 8 August 2013 04: 18
            +4
            the same story ... after the army in 1983 at the factory tokaril (defense) in a month up to 320r came out .... from paycheck to paycheck of 150p was put aside in a piggy bank. They lived normally: a communal apartment - pennies, medicine - free of charge, kindergartens for children, pioneer camps for nothing ... what else is needed ???
          2. sasha.28blaga
            sasha.28blaga 8 August 2013 04: 41
            +1
            True, true, my classmate in front of the army went to his father for a construction project as a carpenter’s apprentice, more pay than the carpenters themselves. After the second payday I bought a PS-planet sport motorcycle, and it cost 1000 rubles.
      13. BotaniQ
        BotaniQ 8 August 2013 00: 02
        +9
        for me, for example, not everything is measured by the number of sausage varieties on the counter. I and the people around me had confidence in my future and the future of my children. I could become anyone, all over the country there was a good education for everyone and not the elite, after graduation I was guaranteed employment, free housing and health care. In the city where I lived there was almost a complete absence of crime, there were no iron doors or bars on the windows, the doors were almost always open, people were welcoming and friendly. Great food at school and at work, with coupons or 20 kopecks. Of course, I don’t know how where, in our stores there were free sales (I’ll make a reservation to Gorbachev right away) sweets, meat, milk, boiled sausage, canned food, juices. Consistently cheap electricity and water, for the entire communal apartment about 3 rubles in a 3-room apartment. And I do not think that all this should have been destroyed to the ground. All that had to be done was to return to the true building of socialism, where the old senile people did not sit in the party, weaving not worthy young specialists into the government of the country, but devoted careerists, far from management and socialist principles, where the interests of the country and the collective were put above their personal interests. Where the deficit problem could be solved within the framework of one five-year plan, by handing over small business in the sphere of trade and services to a private owner. And those who like to live for their beloved had to be released to their beloved West, albeit with compensation for the free education and experience they received, at the rates for studying in Western educational institutions. And then somehow unfairly "forcibly" learned and "thank you" to let go.
        1. German
          German 8 August 2013 03: 20
          +1
          You are right! But who needs it now? because sometimes they don’t even believe that it was so!
      14. Nikaviz
        Nikaviz 8 August 2013 01: 31
        0
        It's even stoned .... like in sports, who is the first. fellow
      15. kazssr
        kazssr 8 August 2013 08: 54
        +1
        and now that there is no doom and deficit? try to get a job after graduation or college. Yes, before it was possible to quit one job and get another job on the same day. he got a job acquaintance in 98g. after graduation institutions. money rules the world now.
      16. dp_88
        dp_88 8 August 2013 11: 10
        0
        The deficit could be fixed easily, even without major repairs. And blat has existed for centuries, and will exist as long as there are people. Because of this, countries do not fall apart.
    3. Alez
      Alez 7 August 2013 16: 03
      31
      As for production, I come from a village, I grew up on the ground, then in the 90s I went to study in the city, and I stayed there because there was no work. I do not forget the earth, I travel constantly. So what was the point of that, in the 80s, the beginning of the 90s to the mid 90s in every village, there was the production of bread, a mill, cattle or pig farms, poultry houses. Cattle trucks constantly traveled from villages to the city to a meat processing plant. There weren’t enough sausages, now the sausages are full of all sorts. Now everyone has collapsed, there are no farms, no production, cattle trucks do not go. The question is, where did the raw materials come from? Raw materials are driven from abroad in cars in the form of incomprehensible briquettes, under the guise of meat in koblas - kenguryatina, soy, chemicals. Because of surrogate food, all diseases ranging from allergies to cancer, plus the growth of LGBT. Here it is Anglo-Saxon friendship, used to add arsenic, now GMOs, Soy, Sodium glutamate, eat your friends - death will be slow for several generations.
      1. donchepano
        donchepano 7 August 2013 16: 52
        +8
        Quote: Alez
        Raw materials are driven from abroad in cars in the form of incomprehensible briquettes, under the guise of meat in koblas - kenguryatina, soy, chemicals. Because of surrogate food, all diseases ranging from allergies to cancer, plus the growth of LGBT. Here it is Anglo-Saxon friendship, used to add arsenic, now GMOs, Soy, Sodium glutamate, eat your friends - death will be slow for several generations.


        God save us from friends like the Americans and the Naglossaks!
      2. Black
        Black 7 August 2013 17: 12
        -7
        Quote: Alez
        Now everyone has collapsed, there are no farms, no production, cattle trucks do not go. The question is, where did the raw materials come from? Raw materials are driven from abroad in cars in the form of incomprehensible briquettes, under the guise of meat in koblas - kanguryatina, ..... all diseases from allergies to cancer, plus growth with


        Well, you drew parallels !!! repeat Well now cattlemen and shepherds do that? The shepherd is a fagot, the milkmaid is a lesbian - it’s funny!
        1. Alez
          Alez 7 August 2013 17: 59
          +8
          Do not distort, I indicated a direct consequence, the wrong food - the growth of diseases at the genetic level, allergies, LGBT. Or do you respected adhere to the point of view of Western liberals that a person is born asexual, and a man or a fagot makes him society?
      3. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 7 August 2013 17: 42
        -4
        Quote: Alez
        Because of surrogate food, all diseases ranging from allergies to cancer,

        But what do our and their scientists do? Do you get money for anything? Yes, and why exactly cancer end? are there really no other poses?
        1. Alez
          Alez 7 August 2013 18: 22
          0
          Merry fellow, the Higher would not be angry ...
      4. Furnace driver
        Furnace driver 7 August 2013 18: 46
        +3
        Quote: Alez
        now GMOs, Soya, monosodium glutamate, eat your friends - death will be slow for several generations.
        I will correct it - because of GMOs, there will not be any posterity through a generation, so there will be no one to get sick from this rubbish wink
      5. dropout
        dropout 7 August 2013 20: 30
        0
        Quote: Alez
        ending with cancer


        Somehow ambiguously you succeeded.

        There are no rich and poor for us
        And before us all are equal! . .
        Said the pathologist
        And wiped his scalpel against his pants.
      6. grafrozow
        grafrozow 7 August 2013 23: 35
        0
        Quote: Alez
        So what was it that was driving in the 80s, the beginning of the 90s to the mid 90s in every village, there was the production of bread, a mill, cattle or pig farms, poultry houses. Cattle trucks constantly traveled from villages to the city to a meat processing plant. There weren’t enough sausages, now the sausages are full of all sorts.

        1976 I studied in Odessa in a sailor, they drove us to the port for various jobs, we received beef from Australia, grain came from Canada, Argentina, and it was not the shuttles who carried bags in bags, each bulk carrier or a 20,30 thousand refrigerated truck. tons, but they didn’t write about it in the newspapers, everything was fine with us, they carried out five-year plans in four years. And how many goods were sent to Vietnam, Cuba, Laos, Korea ... They loaded tanks into the holds, covered them with grain, and put tractors on the deck and cars are a peaceful load, and this is not only in Odessa, any docker will also confirm the sailors who went to foreign countries. Double morale already flourished and sausage trains went to Moscow even under Brezhnev. From a good life, I went to the North in 1983. Damn the problem, how to leave here.
    4. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 7 August 2013 17: 33
      +9
      spotted member of the Central Committee
      A monument to this "former member" must be erected until it is dead, but rather a composition where this Judas kneels down and receives his 30 pieces of silver (for betraying his country and giving it and its people to desecrate the victorious "democracy") from the hands of Thatcher or Ragen, and it is better for everyone to be present. hi
      1. Very old
        Very old 7 August 2013 19: 31
        +1
        Dima, yes you are a visionary. Two have long been waiting for the Third. CONSIDER ...
    5. Gregazov
      Gregazov 7 August 2013 19: 33
      +4
      Russian America lived quietly before signing treaties with the United States. The innocuous at first glance treaties led to the collapse of Russian America. Truly the author of rights and his rightness has many historical confirmations.
    6. Dimanrus86
      Dimanrus86 7 August 2013 19: 56
      +9
      , they are. They need resources and loot, they don’t need anything else from other nations. What other friendship is the same as in an alley trying to make friends with a burnt gopnik addict who is trying to take your phone away)))

      Ps

      The fact that when an heir was born in a Uppyrian Anglo family was especially affected, our channels sang serenades from the first minute of the news !!! I would like to ask the producers of ORT, NTV, etc. - the guys in Russia have nothing more to show ??? I and I think many people like that ... who is born in England. I don’t think much is said about Russia on English channels, or they say it’s better not to hear it.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 7 August 2013 20: 00
        +7
        I absolutely agree with you! What difference does it make to us who was born there? One damn-educate him with absolute hatred for us!
        1. 755962
          755962 7 August 2013 22: 02
          +7
          Yes, Peter Alekseevich was right
    7. sergaivenski
      sergaivenski 8 August 2013 04: 37
      +1
      Good morning, Russia !!! And now our country has been driven into a sump. There is no real economy as such. There are shops and bazaars around. Everything is for sale !!!
    8. BASHKIR
      BASHKIR 8 August 2013 07: 40
      +3
      NOT in the subject, but ... he denied the Old info, but sorry ...
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 8 August 2013 09: 15
        +1
        he denied the death info, but sorry
        In continuation, we have even more panoramas: the Battle of Borodino, the Battle of Stalingrad. And why not create one panorama with two compositions running parallel to each other: on one side they defended their homeland, and on the opposite they betrayed it! Descendants would appreciate it! hi
        1. Very old
          Very old 8 August 2013 10: 30
          0
          Dima, well, I just can’t agree with you, you can’t combine the opposite. But most importantly, do not offend the memory of our fallen fathers and grandfathers in such a neighborhood. Accept the comment without resentment.
      2. Very old
        Very old 8 August 2013 09: 54
        0
        Yes, to hell with him, let him live, RISHAT. But just like an example, how can you not live!
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 8 August 2013 10: 39
          0
          So this idea, as from the poem by V. Mayakovsky "What is good and what is bad." hi
  2. Canep
    Canep 7 August 2013 14: 12
    12
    In the photo, the late Saddam in the form of an American general. Yes, friendship with the United States leads many to the grave. Osama bin Laden comes to mind.
    1. Dilshat
      Dilshat 7 August 2013 14: 28
      +5
      On Osama, bin Laden and his father should talk in a separate topic.
  3. Russ69
    Russ69 7 August 2013 14: 14
    14
    Anglo-Saxons recognize only the friendship that benefits them exclusively.
  4. Irtysh
    Irtysh 7 August 2013 14: 14
    18
    A thin world is always better than a good war. We just need to clearly understand that the concept of "friend" is not applicable to relations with Western countries. And with the eastern ones too.

    We must act with cold calculation, understanding our benefits, strategically calculate all our actions a hundred steps forward.

    Anyway, it is high time to start acting according to the Torah in relation to our Western "partners", and to Israel too. ;) Let them feel. :)
  5. andrei332809
    andrei332809 7 August 2013 14: 16
    32
    the Anglo-Saxons do not know the word "friendship". only "interest", and then selfish.
    it's like some NATO general asked a Serb: "Well, how do you fight against the most powerful army in the world?" to which the Serb replied: "I don't know, we have never fought with the Russians."
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 7 August 2013 16: 06
      -21 qualifying.
      Quote: andrei332809
      well, how do you fight against the most powerful army in the world? "to which the Serb replied:" I don’t know, we have never fought with the Russians. "

      So the Serbian army is worthless if it did not lose the most powerful army in the world.
      1. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 7 August 2013 18: 15
        +3
        It is not soldiers and people who win wars, but governments who lose wars. An army without a single command is nothing, no matter how many soldiers and equipment it has. Remember Yugoslavia at 39 and at 43. two big differences with the same people, but with different leaders. Remember Poland after September 1, well, everything is still up to now, like September 1, 1939. The real leader of the country can be defeated at the first stage, but can never lose the war.
    2. German
      German 8 August 2013 03: 26
      0
      Of course it's a bike ... but nice, damn it !!!!
  6. Asgard
    Asgard 7 August 2013 14: 21
    23
    There are people in the world.
    But there are animals in the world, but very similar to people, they are bankers, presidents and diplomats who talk on the hair dryer (sometimes)) head the media and often flash on TV. They tell us about success, the will to win (at any cost)), about that they often do not get enough sleep, because they care about ratings .....
    (Look, in our economy I completely disagree)))
    they also ruin education, in forums they talk about strata (not understanding the true meaning of this word)), that people should not be given Power ..... although they (people) are the senders of AUTHORITY.

    DEMO CRATIA, Demonstration of Power, a certain imitator of governance, is not really like that, because with such governance the PEOPLES degrade, begin to eat their own kind (Syria is a prime example)) and in the end EVERYTHING WILL DISAPPEAR ....

    EDUCATION is the "key" to the survival of everyone, read, learn, listen to yourself, which resonates in your "dying out" SOUL. Time spent reading NEVER GOES IN, and it often helps more than weapons ....

    (Although "stechkin" is still worth lubricating)) I doubt many will achieve the heights of SPIRIT in one reading))))
    1. Black
      Black 7 August 2013 17: 15
      +1
      Quote: Asgard
      I doubt that many will achieve the heights of SPIRIT in one reading))))

      And you are not a humanist ... good
      1. German
        German 8 August 2013 03: 28
        +2
        sometimes good must be with fists!
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 7 August 2013 18: 22
      +1
      Can I fix it? Dermocracy, a demonstration of power ...
      1. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 7 August 2013 19: 10
        +3
        Democracy is not a form of government, it is a way of gaining absolute power.
        1. a52333
          7 August 2013 23: 05
          0
          Actually, it was originally different. But in the sense of the present, I agree with you.
    3. Furnace driver
      Furnace driver 7 August 2013 18: 50
      +1
      Quote: Asgard
      on forums they talk about strata (not understanding the true meaning of this word))

      oh, we not only know Russian, we will ... show them stratification wink
      almost always plus
  7. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 7 August 2013 14: 22
    15
    I liked the article. Especially "“Only friendship with them can be worse than the war with the Anglo-Saxons”As aptly and precisely said. So think "ex" in which loop you are racing to climb.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 7 August 2013 17: 48
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I liked the article. Especially "" Worse than a war with the Anglo-Saxons can only be friendship with them "As aptly and accurately said.

      I would call the article differently: "Better friendship with the Anglo-Saxons can only be a war with them." For example, Crimean, intervention in the Far East and the North, aid in Vietnam ...
  8. Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx 7 August 2013 14: 22
    31
    Fear three things - the hooves of a horse, the horns of a bull and the smile of an Englishman.
    As a child, I did not understand this proverb.
    1. a52333
      7 August 2013 17: 01
      +6
      Fear three things - the hooves of a horse, the horns of a bull and the smile of an Englishman.

      Powerfully pushed in. inspires!
      1. German
        German 8 August 2013 03: 30
        +1
        And it penetrates something!
  9. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 7 August 2013 14: 23
    27
    The last seconds of the life of Saddam Hussein.
    A reminder to everyone who wants to be friends with the Anglo-Saxons - they will pay for the friendship by the gallows.
    1. Skipper
      Skipper 7 August 2013 14: 25
      22
      Left with dignity hi

      Whoever saw this video from a mobile phone recorded will understand
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 7 August 2013 14: 46
        10
        Flayer, in a word!
        1. VOLCHOXURAL
          VOLCHOXURAL 7 August 2013 18: 16
          +4
          I would even say - PEOPLE !!!
          1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
            GELEZNII_KAPUT 7 August 2013 18: 49
            +5
            The usual barbaric practice, killing the leader of a country, is trying to intimidate the leaders of other countries, state terrorism in action!
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 7 August 2013 18: 26
      +2
      The attribute of democracy! a tie from a gentleman ...
    3. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 7 August 2013 19: 14
      +2
      They say Bush with daddy watched live with glasses of champagne ...
      1. a52333
        7 August 2013 21: 55
        +1
        Yes, I also saw it. (They showed on TV. They believed that they had won. And the thought of betrayal did not flash in one of their heads)
  10. Alexey M
    Alexey M 7 August 2013 14: 38
    17
    The Angles only recognize strength; therefore one must be strong.
  11. Micex
    Micex 7 August 2013 14: 52
    10
    I completely agree with the author. These clever-assed Western comrades will undress, develop and throw out any allies who refuse to dance to their tune.
  12. Theophanes
    Theophanes 7 August 2013 14: 54
    +8
    The title of the article is very accurate! You can add only one thing: the British are more vile than the Americans. The presidents of Central Asia, Georgia, and Armenia are following the path of Iraq, well, they know better. The creation of the Armenia + Georgia confederation, led by Turkey, seems to me a step towards the collapse of the entire policy of the Amerikos in the Caucasus. If not right - correct.
    1. DimychDV
      DimychDV 8 August 2013 05: 02
      +2
      The vast majority of Armenians, especially those who are not alien to politics, still have not forgotten that Turkey has never even regretted the Armenian Genocide in 1915 - 1,5 million people in southern Armenia in a few days. April 24 is for Armenians a day of remembrance of the genocide, and every Armenian knows the memorial in Tsitsernakaberd. Young hot Armenians still remember that a good Turk is a dead Turk. And on occasion, they claw terrorist claws on them. They also remember that Turkey supports Azeris on the Karabakh issue. So - consider corrected.
  13. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 7 August 2013 14: 54
    19
    There are too many supporters of the Naglo-Saxons in Russia, it would not hurt to thoroughly cleanse the "power elite".
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 7 August 2013 16: 01
      10
      and media misinformation.
      1. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL 7 August 2013 18: 48
        +6
        First you need to clean your head, and thoroughly, and everything, and yours, and others including! After all, a mess, as they say, it’s in the head! Around just stupid stupidity, stereotyping and shortsightedness! As adults and seemingly even serious people, they are being fooled by all sorts of wrecking crap that everything is fucking up everywhere, it’s as if they forgot that they saw the real collapse in the late 80s - 90s! That everything belongs to goons (although under capitalism everything belongs to them, and throughout the world, and it has always been so!) Or everything belongs to Putin (although, in a sense, everything belongs to him, or rather, power over all this, so that were - law, order and grace, and if we see that he is right, we support it) And there is a lot of other, similar stupidity! In general, you need to clean a lot of goals! And most importantly - YOUNG heads who live on and build a bright future!
  14. Lukich
    Lukich 7 August 2013 15: 00
    19
    Quote: Black Colonel
    "And the Soviet Union lived normally"
    You, dear, apparently have forgotten the magic words "blat" and "deficit".


    ... I am surprised at you, Mr. Colonel, but what’s better now - everything is on the shelves, and grandmothers are rummaging around in garbage cans ... It's a shame, a lot of shame !!! ...
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 7 August 2013 15: 09
      15
      Quote: Lukich
      , and grandmothers rummage in garbage bins ..
      in modern times it is customary not to notice. that, in general, one gets the impression that the "leaders" are just waiting for the time when the last of those who still remember free education, and "trade union" vouchers and other "nishtyaks" ....................
  15. Djozz
    Djozz 7 August 2013 15: 14
    10
    Remember the bike of the Olympic Games in Moscow in the 80s, Yugoslavia, which supported the United States, turned out to be among the participants in the bike. Everyone knows how the matter with Yugoslavia ended. You have to pay for everything.
  16. pensioner
    pensioner 7 August 2013 15: 16
    28
    “Only friendship with them can be worse than the war with the Anglo-Saxons”
    This should be in capital letters written in all school textbooks. Even in botany.
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 7 August 2013 16: 18
      +5
      not botany, but Biology)))
      consider the etymology of the origin of the word "monkey"
      The image WITHOUT YAN - that is, the image without a male (in this case, a universal beginning))
      Yan_ male ,, Yin_ female ...
      Already a lot of human-like people turned into "monkeys", talking animals, it was they who staged the St. Bartholomew's night, the Inquisition (killing the best and enlightened)) cut out men_ of the Britons on the islands and calling themselves British began to serve the "cause of degeneration" on Earth ...
      Here's a biology, they need to be identified in the zoo))))
      as soon as possible .... (on those who disagree, there is 'stechkin'))))
      1. German
        German 8 August 2013 03: 35
        +1
        "Stechkin" will not be enough ... better PKM al MG34 / 42 (for an amateur) AS for me it's better MGshnik-purely outwardly I like it more ...
  17. eplewke
    eplewke 7 August 2013 15: 38
    +5
    Such examples of "friendship" not only with Iraq, you can count a handful of them. Live peacefully on your continent - why are you climbing everywhere !!!!! ???
    1. DimychDV
      DimychDV 8 August 2013 05: 09
      +1
      It's very simple. Socialism has been dumped - now you can screw your workers and trade unions. Do you think the world crisis comes from? Moshnu rushed to fill the western goons. And at their workers in the first place. And ours were given to the domestic ones. And they show us to their proletarians from behind the cordon: "Well, do you want it to be like the Russians? No? So put all your strikes in your ass!"
  18. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 7 August 2013 16: 22
    +6
    The meaning of the word friendship means some sacrifice for the sake of this relationship. Anglo-Saxons, flowing smoothly into the United States, are based on Jewish capital. This capital, especially Jewish capital surrounded by others, by definition means only calculation, i.e. friendship depends only on the benefits. Substitute at any time, even if you are Jewish.
  19. olviko
    olviko 7 August 2013 16: 23
    15
    "Britain has no permanent enemies and permanent friends, but only permanent interests." Briefly and clearly . I do not understand at all people who believe in the phrase "friendship with the Anglo-Saxons." Their entire history is one continuous crime, massacres, genocide, robbery of entire countries and peoples. In their heads they have only their selfish interests and they understand only strength.
  20. dimon-media
    dimon-media 7 August 2013 16: 29
    12
    Hello comrades. Who has what associations with the word "Anglo-Saxons"? For me personally, these are: - seizure, colonization, aggression, war. Forgive me, of course, maybe I "go too far", but it inspired me looking at the history of their development and their colonial past. Put your finger on, they will bite off your hand at the elbow.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 7 August 2013 20: 05
      +2
      Quote: dimon-media
      Hello comrades. Who has what associations with the word "Anglo-Saxons"? For me personally, these are: - seizure, colonization, aggression, war. Forgive me, of course, maybe I "go too far", but it inspired me looking at the history of their development and their colonial past. Put your finger on, they will bite off your hand at the elbow.

      Correct associations, they are even among the British. This is what the Englishman Wilfried Blunt wrote in the 19th century, after the occupation and plunder of Egypt.
      Britannia,
      You are a hypocrite symbol and deception!
      You went into oblivion as an executioner,
      A rapist, a liar, a tyrant ...
      She entered with the sword - you will perish by the sword!

      You stepped on your weak chest
      He will rise - your heel will shake off!
      You deserve the hatred of the people -
      And his hatred will kill you!

      Over the edge of a stranger, ruined, covered
      Shame will be an eternal veil ...
      For every tear that was shed here
      You will pay with blood at the price!

      You lose all your possessions
      Your ships roaming the waves
      They will not sow death and destruction,
      Palya on defenseless shores ...
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 7 August 2013 20: 12
        +4
        And you read the work, oddly enough, by Arthur Conan Doyle - "The Boer War". These brutes were still there!
    2. a52333
      7 August 2013 22: 00
      0
      Don't go overboard. Do not bend it. I recommend reading "The Faithful Russia" by N. Starikov.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 7 August 2013 22: 04
        0
        I did not understand about the inflection and inflection.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 7 August 2013 22: 31
          0
          Denis good night! There on the branch about America there is a video from cognitive TV about Germany. Your opinion is interesting to me about this. Maybe you will look. Long enough, but I won’t sleep for a long time. Take a look
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 7 August 2013 22: 39
            0
            On which branch? Throw a link (or topic on this site). I'll see, discuss together
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 7 August 2013 22: 44
              0
              Goodbye American Dream. Time: 13-27.
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 7 August 2013 23: 19
                +1
                I watched this video (half a year ago) .What to discuss here? A guy writes everything correctly, not a provocateur! Communicated with a person who returned back to Russia (lived there 11 years), he tells the truth. In Germany he has BIG problems (after this interview).
                1. pensioner
                  pensioner 7 August 2013 23: 28
                  0
                  Quote: Den 11
                  In Germany he has GREAT problems (after this interview).

                  What?
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 7 August 2013 23: 37
                    +1
                    There he (in Germany) slaughtered the truth-uterus! Now he dumped his family with Russia. He is closed to Germany
                    1. pensioner
                      pensioner 7 August 2013 23: 50
                      0
                      So he like this and wanted others to campaign. But he slipped that all media in Germany belong to the Americans. How is this possible? Or about a decent bank. Like it belongs to the Jews. What can you say?
                      1. Day 11
                        Day 11 7 August 2013 23: 53
                        0
                        Maybe through a personal?
                      2. pensioner
                        pensioner 7 August 2013 23: 55
                        0
                        Come on. I forget about this opportunity
      2. a52333
        7 August 2013 22: 34
        0
        Even worse than we think. Much worse! Napoleon did not want to attack Russia. Hitler did not want to attack the USSR. Lenin during the "revolution" was abroad and out of work. "Loyal Russia" - hair on end!
  • polly
    polly 7 August 2013 16: 42
    +7
    Stubborn
    When about the ruling Britons
    I have to read in the article, -
    I see them perfectly shaved
    Impeccable linen.
    Smug actors
    Diplomatic charades,
    To hungry miners
    Yesterday they burnt the venerable ass.
    Haughty profile.
    The gaze is cold.
    And blood, like warm water.
    "The Briton is proud and free
    A slave will never be! .. "
    I see a narcissistic face
    And somehow I feel uneasy ...
    The people in protests are seasoned,
    Ennobled in the fight.
    The country of parliaments and charters,
    Peasant wars in the wilderness of fields
    Where busily - not in excitement -
    Kings knew how to execute.
    Country where the working party
    The authorities were about to lean into their hands ... "
    To look so brazenly in the eyes of the world
    Toothy grinning jaws!
    Back, underground, miners!
    Into yoke, dare labor!
    Playing the European exchanges,
    We dictate our law and judgment!
    Putting it in the belly of China
    A culture honed bayonet
    We secretly weave in the House of Lords
    The tenet of executions and intrigue.
    Slaves of worn traditions
    Chewing a bloody roast beef,
    We love to dress in the mantle
    Civil liberties and rights.
    Always masking with words
    His treacherous role
    We write: "Dissatisfied with you
    His Majesty the King "..
    King! - discharged for light,
    Unprofitable even for ballads,
    And the recipient for it
    Very impressive salary!
    Unknown (1927)
  • Uncle Serozha
    Uncle Serozha 7 August 2013 16: 43
    +6
    To comrade a52333 Thank you for the article. I consider the topic open.
    I will add that it is not only presidents who are friends with the Anglo-Saxons. Ordinary citizens (heads of all kinds of foundations and other NGOs) are also not recommended. Surrender also, only with less bang.
    1. a52333
      7 August 2013 16: 49
      +6
      repeat Thanks I was trying. Thanks to Oleg (Mart) helped.
  • Committee
    Committee 7 August 2013 16: 55
    +7
    German Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger was outraged by the new Russian law banning propaganda of non-traditional sexual orientation, pointing out that "any politician should think about how he positions himself in relation to such a policy of exclusion of minorities."
    Therefore, I have a question: Why does a sick minority impose its will on a healthy, absolute majority?
    1. Alez
      Alez 7 August 2013 18: 14
      +3
      The death of a people or civilization, consists in the following minority imposing its opinion on the majority, for example, the USA and Europe:
      Homosexuality is evil, a criminal offense until the 60s. Same-sex marriages are now allowed.
      Pedophilia is evil. In Europe, create a party of pedophiles (a minority of your mother), everyone has the right? Official pedophilia will be allowed soon.
      Tomorrow - a minority party of killers will come out, who will be burning with the desire to kill, water the majority, Europe and the USA will give them such a right.
      What next???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????
      1. Committee
        Committee 7 August 2013 18: 34
        +1
        And then the very right to "live" will be called into question.
  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 7 August 2013 17: 06
    +2
    for the topic and title of the article - a big plus for you
  • HF
    HF 7 August 2013 17: 11
    +4
    Quote: Theophanes
    The title of the article is very accurate! You can add only one thing: the British are more vile than the Americans. If not right - correct.


    Don't you remember that people from the United Kingdom became the invaders and colonizers of North America? So, "An apple from an apple tree, falls not far" (proverb)! am
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 7 August 2013 17: 24
    +1
    Quote: a52333
    repeat Thanks I was trying. Thanks to Oleg (Mart) helped.

    Let's get something like that I really liked !!
    1. a52333
      7 August 2013 22: 06
      0
      I'm afraid my next article will scare many. thank ALL for rating. Thank you so much Oleg.
  • Black
    Black 7 August 2013 17: 30
    +4
    These islanders are famous for their sense of English humor ...
    I looked like ten minutes the adventures of Mr. Bean and the Benny Hill Show. what
    Generally speaking, there’s a lot to say about laughing at what they laugh at and how.
  • Siberian
    Siberian 7 August 2013 17: 34
    +3
    Quote: Corsair5912
    There are too many supporters of the Naglo-Saxons in Russia, it would not hurt to thoroughly cleanse the "power elite".

    Divorced nowhere else. And it got divorced because these supporters of "Naglo-Saxons", having robbed Mother Russia, I am already silent about the people, although this is one and the same, they dump there, with all the dough, knowing that these rat-like "Naglo-Saxons" will not give them up. And at the same time, these "naglo-Saxons" are also grinning. (Well, I seem to have done something nasty, but I'm glad, and even denyuzhki came to the country.)
    1. Black
      Black 7 August 2013 17: 46
      +2
      Quote: Siberian
      Divorced nowhere else.

      You know, this is, as always, our valiant intelligentsia, and the same one - "creative".
      One reason is the behavior of their own intelligentsia in Britain.
      To be a patriot there is not comme il faut, not even decent. When the biographer-essayist Lytton Strachey was drafted into the army and he, as a pacifist, refused to serve, he was asked: "What will you do if you see how a German soldier rapes your sister?" He replied: "I will wedge my own body between them." The novelist Forster declared that he betrayed his homeland rather than a friend. Here is such a pompous, proud position. By the way, during the "Falklens", few of their "intellectuals" did not spit on Thatcher.
      our glamorous bastards also really want to be "independent" = to eat for so, and if anything, to dump over the hill.
      I have not met a single tramp from the common people who would look in the direction of Albion and he would drool. And life stands on us, but not on Anglophiles.
  • Black
    Black 7 August 2013 17: 37
    +7
    the French joke about their friends from the island: "Why does the sun never set in the British Empire?", ---- "Because God does not believe the English in the dark."
  • individual
    individual 7 August 2013 17: 59
    +7
    Friendship with Anglo-Saxons is like friendship with a boa constrictor.
    Attract, squeeze, strangle swallow.
    Reflex developed by centuries of predator evolution.
  • Vlad51
    Vlad51 7 August 2013 18: 31
    +5
    Where is Rokhlin Petrov? So we were given to get out.
  • Day 11
    Day 11 7 August 2013 18: 39
    0
    The Tatars ..., they remembered. And the shaving bouts fighting for the Hans are like that?
  • yur2079
    yur2079 7 August 2013 19: 11
    +4
    Quote: Black Colonel
    forgot the magic words "blat" and "scarcity".


    But, nevertheless, no one had an empty refrigerator, and consumer goods were purchased, but there was confidence in the future and people who retired did not think that life was over.
    1. DimychDV
      DimychDV 8 August 2013 05: 15
      0
      Don't get fooled by this distraction !!! A hundred times have already proved everything to themselves. And for those who do not yet, they do not receive money for this, in order to allow themselves to be "dissuaded". What, don't you see - on this quote, everything from the TOPIC of the ARTICLE - PPRAz - and moved out ... Moderators, be more attentive, or something ...
  • ekebastus
    ekebastus 7 August 2013 19: 26
    14
    "Russians! Now I am addressing all Russians, residents of Ukraine and Belarus, in the Balkans they are also considered Russians. Look at us and remember, they will do the same to you when you break up and give slack. The West is a mad dog that will grab you down your throat Brothers, remember the fate of Yugoslavia! Don't let me do the same to you! (From the last interview of Slobodan Milosevic.)
    1. a52333
      7 August 2013 22: 12
      +3
      It hurts that we FAILED support Milosovic. We were not able then! May the earth rest in peace! Why not now? Now we would defend him! am
  • ekebastus
    ekebastus 7 August 2013 19: 29
    +7
    For edification ....
  • 12345
    12345 7 August 2013 19: 48
    +3
    Friendship with "naglo-Saxons", but MORE Jewish "spill"?

    "God save us from SUCH" friends ", well, and we will somehow get rid of enemies ourselves ..." ©
    1. picnic
      picnic 8 August 2013 03: 28
      +2
      Not with the Naglosaks but with the Brittons. In a year or two, when Northern Ireland and Scotland will be scoured from them (not that it is likely, but most likely it will be) it will not be small Britain but micro-Britain. It will be no longer an island but a half-island. There will be a blow to the vanity of the little Britons. Then, the feverish (like drowning in a straw) clinging to the Falklands will seem really funny. Although it’s so funny (well, at x ... do they need them? They killed so many of their soldiers in order to satisfy their ambition). Kapets to your ambition FAVORITES! Soon you will become (have almost become) an autonomous region of Europe (read Germany). What Hitler could not do without getting down from the chair did Merkel.
  • Neo1982
    Neo1982 7 August 2013 20: 53
    +2
    Anglo-Saxons themselves are vile - such a mentality.
    1. castle
      castle 7 August 2013 21: 43
      -4
      And what vileness have you done, let me know? And Mark Twain or O´Henry, what nation do you think were? Bastards are present in all nations. And fools too!
      1. Neo1982
        Neo1982 7 August 2013 22: 08
        +3
        To have colonies all over the world and consider it normal, and at the same time destroy nations, and call it democracy - they have meanness in the blood, finally understand.
        1. castle
          castle 7 August 2013 23: 31
          -1
          Do you mean neocolonialism? Because there are no colonies in the old sense of the word. Yes, I agree. But neocolonialism can be blamed on the United States as well as the EU, Japan and Russia. Formally neocolonialized states are independent, but their economies and political systems are controlled from outside. Money, raw materials, acceptance or rejection of migrants, permission or prohibition of the import of products. There are many ways.
          1. Neo1982
            Neo1982 8 August 2013 06: 16
            +2
            What is Russia for?
      2. 12345
        12345 7 August 2013 22: 54
        +2
        Quote: hrad
        ... Bastards are present in all nations ...


        Taki - yeah ...

        Yes, that's just not all peoples, to put it mildly, a very incorrect behavior towards others, is encouraged by "millennial" religious traditions.

        Especially, in addition to his own "super-duper" exclusivity instilled from early childhood on the basis of the most rabid and dense religious nationalism ...

        And, in the end, having received sometimes, quite deservedly, for all of the above, "according to the tinsel", with an expression of insulted, cunningly ... lt innocence, they raise their hands to heaven, wailing nasally: "FOR WHAT-O-O !?"

        The Jews even deceive God - it is considered quite possible and acceptable. For Christians, this is God - all-seeing and hearing everything. Maybe because - young? After all, God the Son, after all ... Well, the Jews recognize only God the Father. Well, and - the old man with them, of course - "hard of hearing." And, therefore, you can loudly and piously wish your neighbor all the best (this, God will certainly hear and appreciate), and then quietly curse this neighbor with all known curses (this deaf God will not hear and, accordingly, will not punish for this) ...
        In general, I must say that the Jews do not stand on ceremony with their God. Even the word "Israel" itself is translated as "conquering God."
        So, if THEY, even with God, are SO, then there is nothing to be hoped for by mere mortals ...
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 7 August 2013 20: 59
    +2
    “And it is very sad to see how the leaders of the countries of the former USSR are trying to improve relations with the West, stubbornly believing that they will be among those who, after finishing their term in the presidency, will happily live out their days in Miami. No, this street is - The rules of traffic on it have been unchanged for more than half a century: your people are losing, and how lucky you are ... "- no one will be lucky ... - they have only one hope - to grow wiser and begin to really be friends with Russia, and not be hypocritical ...
    1. castle
      castle 7 August 2013 21: 59
      0
      Why be sad? A leader is always a pragmatist. He will not be a pragmatist, he will not become a leader. If they climb into a non-USSR ass, this is their business and that of their people. Let them decide their pressing questions. They are marked from side to side and in time they will find the way they need. For some time. Then again they will search for something and rush about, at a different level of development. Life without seeking is death. It is better to die quickly on the move than for years, lying in a hospital bed shit .. for yourself and wait for death as release! IMHO!
      1. a52333
        7 August 2013 22: 49
        +2
        Here it is necessary to separate personal pragmatism and state pragmatism. I AM FOR the country's president must be rich. BUT!!! His wealth should not grow contrary to the interests of the country. Do you think that the president of the Czech Republic or France acts in the interests of his country? HA! You are an optimist. In this respect - - no! Such on the fingers! Chavez + Kim + GDP (so far with an eye, but this is temporary!).
        1. castle
          castle 7 August 2013 23: 39
          0
          If you know Milos Zeman (President of the Czech Republic) and his friends from LUKOIL, try to guess in whose interests he works. I suggest - this is not the United States. Hugo Chavez worked in the interests of Russia. Kim works in his personal interests.
  • Cap
    Cap 7 August 2013 22: 13
    +3
    A small digression into the history of religion.
    The King of England, the 8th, once again decided to marry and asked for another divorce from the Pope. He refused - they say as much as possible. Then Henry the 8th announced the withdrawal of England from Catholicism and the creation on its territory of a new religion - Anglicanism, with him, beloved, at the head. Thousands of Catholic priests were carved, the property of the church became the property of the king. The king, as the head of the church, sold church posts.
    It is not surprising that in Anglicanism and other heresies that have separated from it, it is believed that wealth is the only measure of the love of God. God loves the rich, the poor - no. Moreover, no matter what crimes this wealth is acquired. You can’t help the poor! God does not love him!
    No wonder it was in England that they began to SELL noble titles for the first time. Pirates, robbers, killers, hucksters became lords. And now they are trying to rub in us that the English lord is the standard of the aristocrat!
    So think about how you can "make friends" with the criminal-huckster community?
    1. castle
      castle 7 August 2013 23: 57
      0
      From all peoples, people who were better at knowing were knocked out who were better than others who knew how to use a club and to crush the rest for themselves and to impose a tribute to them.
      1. olviko
        olviko 8 August 2013 07: 21
        0
        Such reasoning, dear, is good until this club has hit your, I have no doubt, very clever head. After that, the tone of reasoning, as a rule, changes dramatically, if everything goes well in resuscitation! As a very moving example of Anglo - Saxon friendship, I can remind you how in Chamberlain in Munich, I handed over the Czech Republic to Hitler together with Daladier, with giblets. This also say a separate bastard? Oh well....
      2. asadov
        asadov 8 August 2013 20: 58
        0
        it is not enough to be able to use a club, you still need to know when to use
  • Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 7 August 2013 22: 14
    0
    Quote: Black Colonel
    "And the Soviet Union lived normally"
    You, dear, apparently have forgotten the magic words "blat" and "deficit".

    I will not minus and so zabmobili but I fundamentally disagree
  • Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 7 August 2013 22: 17
    +2
    and I liked the union
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 7 August 2013 22: 29
    +4
    Holy truth.
    I was born 50 years apart, as I live in, unfortunately, the former ESSR.
    So the local "titular" party nomenklatura members went crazy at the end of the 80s, proving intermittently that they "destroyed" the USSR from the inside ... And so they became local heroes and current leaders, lifting their pants running into any Anglo-Saxon " paradise ", if only away from the former metropolis. Here and the heroization of the "title" SSmans, etc.
    And the life of ordinary people has become much worse. BUT, under the slogans of "freedom", "title", for 25 years they have been yelling that they agree to eat potato peelings, what is enough to live with in Russia. And they eat, though, and those who cannot eat them have spread all over the world in search of bread, and such already more than 10% of the working population. And unemployment in Estonia is now about 25%.
    For some reason, WASP does not even throw potato peelings; for some reason, it overhaul the non-frail military infrastructure left by ours. What are the 4 longest runways in Tapa, Tartu, Emari and Tallinn. Mine Harbor in Tallinn, etc.
    In short, everything is very simple, exclusively in the spirit of WASP. To buy a couple of Aboriginal gorlopans, for a handful of glass bushes, and send your Gauleiter (the current president is a US citizen, one of the past defense ministers is a US citizen, etc.).
    The history of the "title" does not teach anything ...
    So everything is serious with the Anglo-Saxons, since they have such "magnetism".
  • sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 7 August 2013 22: 40
    0
    Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
    The last seconds of the life of Saddam Hussein.

    The man left with dignity. He left as a man who fulfilled his destiny in this life. I would like to know how the masked people left, people who, with great pleasure, tightened the noose around the HUMAN neck. Aw, masks, where are you ??? No you ... Yes, and never will be !!!!
  • Cap
    Cap 7 August 2013 22: 50
    +1
    I will add about the vaunted Aglitz education.
    The only partial plus is strict discipline. But as a component of the upbringing of this discipline, homosexual violence by senior pupils over the younger ones appears.
    Our oligarchs and officials strive to place their children in these "elite" schools.
  • Arseal
    Arseal 7 August 2013 23: 13
    0
    In any relationship, someone dominates
  • Sterkh
    Sterkh 7 August 2013 23: 50
    +3
    Quote: Uncle Serezha

    I will add that it is not only presidents who are friends with the Anglo-Saxons. Ordinary citizens (heads of all kinds of foundations and other NGOs) are also not recommended. Surrender also, only with less bang.

    I worked side by side with specialists from Canada in June-July. young guys, about 30 years old ... Since the equipment was US-made, one of them explained how to work with it, at the end of the first month I worked freely on it. At the same time, during this month he did his job and provided assistance to Bran in every possible way ... Then he went home, the relationship was quite friendly, I can't say anything bad. And what was my surprise when my coordinator called every other day and said that I and a couple of our specialists would no longer bother Bran and load him with our work. Like, it was very difficult for him with us. What is left for us to think about our overseas "friends" ???
    1. Nikaviz
      Nikaviz 8 August 2013 02: 09
      +1
      "Kiss on the gums" laughing
  • Shkodnick
    Shkodnick 8 August 2013 00: 43
    +1
    Quote: Lukich
    Quote: Black Colonel
    "And the Soviet Union lived normally"
    You, dear, apparently have forgotten the magic words "blat" and "deficit".


    ... I am surprised at you, Mr. Colonel, but what’s better now - everything is on the shelves, and grandmothers are rummaging around in garbage cans ... It's a shame, a lot of shame !!! ...

    The counters are breaking. Only all this chemistry ... GMOs ... substitutes ... in general, if you remove all this muck from the shelves. That will be the same deficit
  • tracer
    tracer 8 August 2013 03: 35
    +1
    Not quite understood the article about what? About neo-colonialism? About the "bad" Anglo-Saxons? The author himself then, at least once, eye to eye with the Anglo-Saxons communicated? And I don’t even ask about the fact that I lived with them for years in the same state. Not everything is so simple gentlemen. I understand that many sufferers have already thrown a slipper, they say, "Gentlemen are all in Paris." To which I will answer that I myself am a "Parisian". Born in a northern city far from Muscovy. So there the area where I studied and grew up is called PARIS. Since the prisoners of the French served exile there. So that .. With "Paris" I'm also fine. The Anglo-Saxons are of course very different from the Russians. It's hard to explain. But this is another powerful and strong European culture that should be respected. What do I mean, not about neo-colonialism, but about a nation living on the shores of foggy Albion. The "tiny island" colonized "half of the world" at the expense of organization and internal order, with relatively meager forces. According to the laws of nature, "the strongest survives." Yes, they are of a different mentality, not like the Slavs or even the Scots. Scotland is a good people, close in spirit to the Russian way ... And take a walk with them and talk heart to heart. This is yes. So, that the new authors ... I understand "piss" already hands itch. But before that, at least think about what you write and about what. Also, "Mr. Bean", this is not an Englishman. This is a comedian.
    1. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 8 August 2013 07: 18
      +2
      TRASSER said too much. This is a policy pursued by England. Yes and no time to explain. Excuse me.
    2. olviko
      olviko 8 August 2013 08: 25
      +4
      The "tiny island" colonized "half of the world" at the expense of organization and internal order, with relatively meager forces. According to the laws of nature, "the fittest survives." Yes, they are of a different mentality, not like the Slavs ...

      Let me give you a few examples of organization, and the internal order of the Anglo - Saxons, I apologize in advance for a somewhat voluminous answer.

      The slave trade

      - England was the world leader in the slave trade, on its account millions of killed and ruined lives. The British in their colonies in the West Indies, including the North American ones, used the so-called "white slaves" - prisoners of war, Scots, Irish, and then Irish in general, including women, children from the conquered Ireland. Then the blacks were taken to the English colonies in North America, and later about 13 million slaves from Africa were brought to the independent States, but given the fact that for every slave brought alive, there were 3-4 dead during the "hunt for people "in Africa itself and during transportation, the figures of genocide are simply colossal. Moreover, the British carried on another type of slave trade - exporting to the colonies the so-called" contracted servants "from former Europeans, including citizens of England, in fact, they were also" white slaves ", without elementary rights.

      China opium baiting

      - London poisoned Chinese citizens, and their citizens. England was able to arrange a massive supply of opium to China, receiving in return huge wealth, gold, silver and fur. In addition, the military strategic goal was also achieved - the decomposition of the Chinese army, officials, people, their loss of will to resist. As a result, in order to get rid of the decaying influence of opium and save the country, the Chinese emperor in 1839 began a massive operation to confiscate and destroy opium reserves in Canton.

      Colonial vessels loaded with opium simply began to sink into the sea. In fact, this was the first attempt in the world to combat drug trafficking at the state level. London reacted with the war - the Opium Wars began, China was defeated and forced to accept the enslaving conditions of the English state drug mafia. This brought huge profits to the British elite, including the British royal family. The damage to China was terrible, whole generations were killed in drug dope, plus the intellectual and physical degradation of peoples.
      They also planted opium and British workers - about 5% of the population of England.
      So in 1842 the population of the empire amounted to 416 118 200 people, of which 2 million were drug addicts, in 1881 - 369 183 000 people, of which 120 million were drug addicts. Estimate the losses of the USSR in World War II and the Chinese. But these killed millions of nonsense compared to what almost half of the Chinese made drug addicts. “As long as China remains a nation of drug addicts, we should not be afraid that this country will turn into a serious military power, as this habit drains the life force from the Chinese,” said the British consul in China, Jeff Hurst, in 1895, speaking at meeting of the Royal Opium Commission.
      1. Shkodnick
        Shkodnick 8 August 2013 20: 44
        0
        They forgot to note that they were the first to invent concentration camps during the Boer War of 1899-1902. under the guise of refugee camps. driving there women. children and the elderly !!!
      2. tracer
        tracer 10 August 2013 08: 13
        0
        Dear sir - comrade. We all do not understand this badly enough, rather "We know". Kohl talked about the Anglo-Saxons, as a people. I'm just trying in this context to explain to the people that the Anglo-Saxons do not "eat their children" and do not "eat breakfast with grandmothers." These are normal and very, very not stupid people. Yes, they have their own cartoon "we say the Anglo-Saxons are the elite of the world." And we have no Russians? Yes, they have a different survival strategy. In Russia, we have vast expanses of land, in contrast to England. And in England? Survival strategy of the people driven into the "corner" .. Desperate desire to survive, no matter what. "Kill, smoke, and shame everyone" so what? Bad conquest strategy? I'm talking about the conquest, my friend, about the Conquest !!! The strategy works, it works very strongly, especially in the geopolitical plan. But to me, and maybe to you, this is not very pleasant. But .. nothing can be done, my friend ... Anglo-Saxons may be late, but worthy of Russian culture and mentality. Although the mothers or grandmothers of Nicholas and how his king of England were sisters from Austria (I don’t remember at all). As Kozma Prutkov used to say "Look at the root".
        1. a52333
          10 August 2013 10: 33
          0
          Well, you yourself answered the question:
          Survival strategy of the people driven into the "corner" .. Desperate desire to survive, no matter what. "Kill, smoke and shame everyone" and what? Bad conquest strategy?
          You can understand them, forgive - no!
  • picnic
    picnic 8 August 2013 04: 22
    +1
    Not with the Naglosaks but with the Brittons. In a year or two, when Northern Ireland and Scotland will be scoured from them (not that it is likely, but most likely it will be) it will not be small Britain but micro-Britain. It will be no longer an island but a half-island. There will be a blow to the vanity of the little Britons. Then, the feverish (like drowning in a straw) clinging to the Falklands will seem really funny. Although it’s so funny (well, at x ... do they need them? They killed so many of their soldiers in order to satisfy their ambition). Kapets to your ambition FAVORITES! Soon you will become (have almost become) an autonomous region of Europe (read Germany). What Hitler could not do without getting down from the chair did Merkel.
  • alexng
    alexng 8 August 2013 08: 48
    0
    Worse than Anglo-Saxon, there can only be an inside whiner (everyone has collapsed, etc.) and no matter what color it is, red, white, orange or multi-colored. Harm for his country brings more than any external enemy.