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The case in the Far East Express

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Military Review writes a lot of articles about weapon, technique and so on. However, many people forget that the most important link in any system is people. People can be both the strongest element of the Army and the weakest. Modern politicians have made the army weak. Weak in spirit, weak will to win. Weak to readiness to fight and bear service. There are practically no articles about this.


Meanwhile, in the last days of July 2013, events occurred in the country that radically change the consciousness and understanding of what is happening in Russia. Particularly depressing the question - about whether the revival of the Army?

So, in one of the Moscow markets, a watermelon dealer struck a police officer. Colleagues who were near the view of a cow eating grass, calmly watched their colleague being killed. Okay. The police - not the army - someone will say ...

However, at about this time in one of the trains in the Far East an event occurred that the media are trying to silence, but in my opinion it (this event) will be more abruptly than events in the Moscow markets.

Namely - four drunken criminals in the train disarmed a policeman, robbed passengers and .... about 50 military personnel, among whom were four armed officers.

The main thing (!!!) The command of the unit praised the officers for their inaction, and that no one was hurt by the criminals. Well, if, of course, do not consider dirty honor. But apparently for them it is not relevant.

I, as an officer in the reserve (30 years of service), arise in connection with this a number of questions that in no way make it easy to sleep.

1. How is this even possible?
2. Or maybe it's not the officers?
3. And they took the oath of "protection of the motherland"?
4. Is the command of the part in your mind? What kind of commanders are there? etc. etc.

So it tempts to quip about why, for example, they did not offer criminals a homosexual passive attitude .. would you think the boys would calm down? and in the same spirit? What school did they finish? Can they generally trust the defense of the country? Such "officers" in any army, boldly and without reproach, must immediately in peacetime be put on trial by a military tribunal and be shot on the spot in a military one. However, the problem is not in them. And the fact that these "military" simply in the language of the criminal world "omitted" the entire officer corps of the Russian Federation. And commanders. encourage the actions of these "warriors" - considered traitors. or They forgot that the train passengers are also part of the Motherland.

For some reason, the colonels, who praised the impotent warriors, did not reflect on the fact that, thanks to the inaction of their subordinates, many civilians, women and children suffered. Became hostages, etc. And if it would be their wives and daughters? Fortunately, I found a husband who adequately defended himself and his family from brutal criminals ... But, unfortunately, not an RA officer.

So you start to think. How to entrust the defense of the country so. In the Red Army - they would have become a disgrace to the whole country and would quickly fill up the lists of nameless graves. Now - they are almost heroes. Colleagues who served in the army - do you agree with that?
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  1. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 12 August 2013 06: 04
    10
    And what if any of these "officers" becomes defense minister or what general? Then what, the Khan of Russia. By the way, whoever has the opportunity, advise on changes in the training of young officers now and under the Union.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 August 2013 08: 25
      +6
      Quote: FC Skif
      advise on changes in the training of young officers now and with the Union.

      I don’t know how to prepare, but there is such a thing that officers and contractors pay Dagestanis and other bandits monthly for the roof. And instead of going to the cops or the FSB, many pay or leave, simply out of fear. Training has nothing to do with it, officers and soldiers simply have no rights. Yes, and the authorities are trying to hide a lot, and no one is responsible for anything wants is the result of that in the article.
      1. 225chay
        225chay 12 August 2013 09: 07
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        officers and contractors pay Dagestanis and other bandits monthly for the roof ...

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        officers and soldiers have no rights. Yes, and the authorities are trying to hide a lot ...

        The authorities are to blame, and the policies of the past 20-odd years
        The army was hobbled and the rights of indigenous peoples and especially Slavic ones continue to be suppressed.
        There is a systematic quiet destruction of the main forming people - the ridge of the country
        1. Jarserge
          Jarserge 12 August 2013 10: 12
          11
          And here is the power? !!! If you are an officer then you are an officer !! And if not, then no one will help you .... neither power nor Aunt Dusya.
          1. Far East
            Far East 12 August 2013 11: 00
            +3
            Quote: Jarserge
            And here is the power? !!! If you are an officer then you are an officer !! And if not, then no one will help you .... neither power nor Aunt Dusya.

            Respected! I agree with you 100% if they are "..RESHI"! and they will be. here it is the generation of the 90s. I myself have two guys, one this fall in the army, and I know for sure he will give one to the offender!
        2. KazaK Bo
          KazaK Bo 12 August 2013 11: 03
          +1
          Quote: 225chay
          The authorities are to blame, and the policies of the past 20-odd years have been hindered by the army and the rights of indigenous peoples, and especially Slavic ones, continue to be suppressed.

          The concept "I HAVE HONOR!" was expelled, wiped out from the consciousness of the majority of officers from the moment of the personnel defeat by Marshal "TABURETKIN" ... when the bearers of the state ... patriotic ideology about the need to protect the national heritage were dismissed from the Armed Forces. Now it has been replaced with MONEY ... MONEY ... AND MONEY AGAIN.
          I am not against a decent pay for military labor of the military defender of the state. All "limbs" only "FOR"! But it should still be secondary after instilling a sense of patriotism. Defense of the MOTHERLAND is now not an HONORARY DUTY, but simply PAID LABOR. So they work to the best of their ability ...
          1. aleks
            aleks 12 August 2013 15: 01
            +1
            It was extinct not by Taburetkin, but by the whole order of educating young people who have no guidelines in life other than green and visiting a temple, where the word honor and oath is rarely pronounced. This is state policy.
    2. Mitek
      Mitek 12 August 2013 09: 01
      +6
      Quote: FC Skiff
      And what if any of these "officers" becomes defense minister or what general? Then what, the Khan of Russia. By the way, whoever has the opportunity, advise on changes in the training of young officers now and under the Union.

      It is for this reason that the rampant ethnic crime. We ourselves, ordinary people are to blame for all this. As the USSR defeated everyone at the school desk (preparing wonderful specialists and people), so Russia is merging all these achievements. When I was small, about 12-13 years, a trio of Azeris (or someone else) beat a guy with a girl. The next day, all markets were crushed. Boys from 16 to 23x. They didn’t take me, they said petty ... Now, do this happen? They will shoot on phones. From this and all the troubles. Corruption is also from here. People have no moral principles and the goal in life is only one thing-money .. money and peace of mind at all costs.
      You need to start from school ... And at school, teachers are persecuted for telling Caucasian children that they need to respect the laws and customs of the country where they now live. What gate does it creep into ?! Tolerast is planted everywhere. An example of geyropa is not enough for them; they want the same shit-mo to arrange in Russia ..
  2. Hleb
    Hleb 12 August 2013 06: 05
    +9
    Sergey agrees with you. and these cases are actually not uncommon. and they are often embarrassing because of them. You know, I’ll get along with you a little on the same issue. In fact, this does not play a special role in this case. There are people who served urgent in the CIS countries, after moving they went to serve in the Russian army and without oath served and fought and died.
    a soldier is a profession, a fighter is a character trait, and a warrior is a state of mind.
    1. domokl
      domokl 12 August 2013 06: 23
      +2
      Quote: Gleb
      these high-flown words do not really play a special role in this case

      Hmm ... About the Oath, say so ... Sorry, but these are not words, but a person’s oath of allegiance to the Motherland. Unless of course he is a man, and the scum is trembling.
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 12 August 2013 06: 26
        +2
        read it again ... and look at what you answer
        1. domokl
          domokl 12 August 2013 06: 39
          +1
          I read and expressed my opinion. It is the opinion of the Oath. And if you do not understand this, I will not explain the elementary.
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    2. воронов
      воронов 12 August 2013 08: 43
      0
      Quote: Gleb
      the oath would be removed. No, I wouldn’t, but would clarify. In fact, this does not play a special role in this case.

      He himself took the oath, and if he took it, how many times and to whom? stop
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 12 August 2013 09: 26
        +3
        and if he took it, how many times and to whom?
        if you use "whom", then- swore oath (to someone to the Fatherland) and did not "accept" to whom. "Did he serve himself, if you make such mistakes?
        I swore once to the Fatherland-Russia
        (Russia, Sverdlovsk region. 1993) and further on in the service I know people who, after military service in the CIS, came to a contract with the Russian Armed Forces and served without oath.
        so ravens, catch me that the sky is painted.
        ask your wife such questions
        1. Tykta
          Tykta 12 August 2013 11: 06
          0
          all right with borscht)
  3. MuadDib
    MuadDib 12 August 2013 06: 14
    +5
    happens and, unfortunately, every day more and more. I will put it even more rudely: the officers gave themselves to fuck and they live with it. And we, ordinary citizens, need to be prepared to defend ourselves from the government, which is pursuing a policy of genocide of the indigenous population, and their minions.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 12 August 2013 06: 22
      +5
      one must be prepared to defend oneself from the government
      this is also important. because you apply force to this Caucasian, the option is not ruled out that they could leave the Ministry of Internal Affairs as an extreme. did he graze cattle in the mountains?
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    2. 225chay
      225chay 12 August 2013 09: 45
      +6
      Quote: MuadDib
      I will put it even more rudely: the officers gave themselves to fuck and they live with it.

      I recall a similar case in Soviet times.
      At the end of the 70s we went to the training camp in Alma-Ata with a reserved seat consisting of: 1 staff major, some party worker, and two ensigns (one staff member of the Komsomol, and the second a low sprout drill) and 6 young soldiers. were dispersed throughout the car in different places.
      in a neighboring compartment, five leaning prisoners from about 20 to 40 years old gathered and celebrated their release on the road.
      The character turned out to be violent and began to run into neighbors, including one who stood up for civilian soldiers.
      Instantly, our senior "guardians" appeared and gave the command to watch from the side, without interfering until that moment if they could not cope on their own. And only if the situation gets out of control, grab and knit. Further, the officer and the warrant began to "calm down" the bulls in hand-to-hand combat, and the little warrant did the main work, although he received a wound in the foot while neutralizing the most active bull (they pierced through with a thin stiletto)
      After a minute of the scuffle, the bell was laid down and another three minutes they were "packed". We were only given permission to help tie. At the stop, the violators were already handed over to the employees ready and packed.
      After a small hitch caused by the paperwork, we proceeded to the weekly fees. Prapor with a "leaky" leg was in the ranks and even distinguished himself in a "battle" with a young conductor all night))
      Probably at that time the military had no idea of ​​leaving the lawless people without punishment. And "reverse speed" was not included.
      Everyone respected the military!
  4. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 12 August 2013 06: 18
    +4
    Just think, four criminals against four officers ... There were whole units recited, and not only in the Far East. What quality of the officer corps can we talk about, if this very composition was, to a large extent, recruited according to the principle "God take what is useless for me"? Of course, not all parts are such a mess, but it will take more than a dozen years before this situation changes.
    1. My address
      My address 12 August 2013 08: 07
      +2
      The fish rots from the head. It was this "fish" that brought up the likes of itself.

      Until there is a corresponding responsibility up to the highest persons in the state, it’s impossible to hope for the normal performance by ALL of their duties, including with respect to officer's honor. To be a good officer is to constantly feel appreciated by others and meet the expectations of masculinity to the maximum. It is not simple. It is much easier to explain to yourself that everything around, especially the big bosses, is even worse and no one will ask you for podlyanochki. Now, if Shoigu would immediately drive them out of the army and their immediate commander, then maybe not decades, as you say, will pass.
  5. domokl
    domokl 12 August 2013 06: 21
    +6
    He served for a long time and completely agree with the author. In general, the problem of officer honor should have surfaced a long time ago, even with the advent of military institutes. giving birth to a soldier.
    The transformation of a cadet into a student (both in the army and the police) has led to what we now have. I read comments on some articles about the heroism of our soldiers, especially those who died and wonder. Why now? An officer or contractor that they don’t know for what is the army intended for? Why does the state feed us, put on clothes, put shoes on? They don’t know that we are meant to protect, go under bullets and, possibly, die.
    I think it would be honest to give these officers the honor of the court and to deprive the officer rank. How will they look into the eyes of those 50 soldiers now?
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 12 August 2013 07: 35
      +8
      You see, Alexander, any young soldier always takes an example from his junior commander, that is, a sergeant. A sergeant, in turn, from a sergeant major. A sergeant major or a servant (from the command staff) from his company commander. The point is not whether you are an officer or not, the point is whether you will be able to take a sniper's bullet on yourself in a difficult moment, flying at your comrade! In battle, epaulets are not particularly visible. The team spirit, the continuity of generations of servicemen, patriotic (in the examples of the heroes of Russia) education. All this is no longer in our society. After all, the army is a mirror reflection of it. I think you will not argue with that. At the moment, in the consumer society, which has already developed in Russia, the principle of "Deceive your neighbor, shit on the bottom" has been operating for a long time.
      And the army is what our children are and our upbringing. So when there will be examples of worthy imitation at command posts, and not inveterate careerists and opportunists, then we will see some changes!
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 12 August 2013 08: 59
        +2
        Quote: sergo0000
        What is important is team spirit, continuity of generations of military personnel, patriotic education (based on the examples of the heroes of Russia). All this did not remain in our society. The army is its mirror image.

        It's true.
        Well said, Sergey.
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 12 August 2013 09: 16
          +2
          Quote: Aleks tv
          It's true.
          Well said, Sergey

          Thanks Alexey! drinks Because I sincerely because it’s only the time of perestroika and life’s difficulties that prevented me from going to military school, and my son cannot go there by disability, while serving and earning under a contract you can only turn in your head in youth about our army and society as a whole .
      2. domokl
        domokl 12 August 2013 09: 39
        +2
        Quote: sergo0000
        But the army is our children and our upbringing

        I carefully read your remark twice already. I don’t see what the contradiction is and why should I argue?
        The only remark is that the epaulettes are visible in battle. Believe me. Not visually. The commander is always a commander. And any fighter, realizing this, will always cover the commander from a bullet.
        Once, in the last days of April 1985, our motorized rifle battalion Captain Korolev was almost completely destroyed in the Pnsher Gorge. So the commanders and signalmen were the first to die. Alexander Korolev himself, an excellent officer, commanded the soldiers and received several wounds. He died in the midst of those who covered his soldier.
        What you wrote about the spirit and patriotic education is important. But the officer, if he chose this profession, is a patriot. He must not be educated anymore, he must do his job. And those about whom the article was scared, it means not officers.
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 12 August 2013 10: 26
          +3
          Quote: domokl
          What you wrote about the spirit and patriotic education is important. But the officer, if he chose this profession, is a patriot. He must not be educated anymore, he must do his job. And those about whom the article was scared, it means not officers.

          I agree. And I can’t find excuses for them.
          You know, I had to travel on a rotational basis for several years, on long-distance trains in the late 90s. I could give a few examples of truly heroic actions of ordinary citizens to protect the passengers of their car from robbery and hooligans, but I don’t think so. Even then people showed all the power of the Soviet upbringing of a man brought up on the code of the builder of communism!
          It seems that we live unmatchedly better! request
  6. Dimy4
    Dimy4 12 August 2013 06: 23
    +1
    And any man is not only an officer, in such a situation he thinks first of all about how not to sit down together with the criminals. Because, as they have already written more than once, our legal system does not allow itself to be protected. Be realistic if someone used the time card, then then seven circles of hell would be provided to him.
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 12 August 2013 11: 20
      +2
      Servicemen in the performance of military service duties, and, if necessary, outside duty, in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation, have the right to store, carry, use and use weapons.
      Military personnel in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation can use weapons personally, and commanders (commanders) order subordinates to use weapons to protect life, health and property in a state of necessary defense .................. .........
      e to protect military personnel and civilians from attacks that threaten their life or health, if it is impossible to protect them by other means and means;

      The charter of internal service however. It’s clear that they’re being smacked, but it will be possible to look people in the eye.
  7. Shuriken
    Shuriken 12 August 2013 06: 23
    +5
    Yes, and they served with dignity, and died .... Honor them! Well, how many such "officers" - apparently, the Big Trouble will show! And, it seems, it will be taken out mainly by those who have sworn to the USSR! But I want to believe that they will wake up in people "Russianness", etched away by strangers for so many years ...
  8. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 12 August 2013 06: 33
    20
    Yes, a small part of the officers dishonored the army of RUSSIA - BUT THE MOST OF OFFICERS ARE ALL SO I DO NOT THINK ABOUT.
    For me, an example of a REAL OFFICER is YURI BUDANOV (whatever dirt would have been poured on him) I’m sure if such an officer as YURI DMITRIEVICH BUDANOV, these criminals would not have easily escaped.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 12 August 2013 08: 59
      +3
      An officer with honor and conscience becomes a criminal. (And how many lives of his fighters he saved). A weak-willed coward becomes a hero. It is not moral principles that begin to work, but selfish interests such as "Do I need it?" A reassessment of values ​​is taking place. The motto "Think about your homeland first, and then about yourself" is becoming irrelevant. Those who seized power show the opposite. It's hard to become a hero defending your homeland. They are those who please the authorities.
      We will not discuss the inaction of the military. Let's look for reasons for these actions. Not only cowardice factor worked here. Here all the negativity that brought the new political system, a new way of thinking of the government, new moral values ​​(or rather, their complete absence, especially in power) worked. The army is a mirror of society and the happiness is that the backbone of the army, the junior and middle ranks, is represented by decent people, which is difficult to say about wide-band-riders.
    2. Egen
      Egen 12 August 2013 10: 13
      +2
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      For me, an example of a REAL OFFICER is YURI BUDANOV (whatever dirt would be poured on him)

      I agree!
      According to the article, all that I read was that officers of the type were not awake, the type case was in the vestibule. I have no more information. But that too. Previously, a military man was still a representative of the STATE, the authorities. There are so many 80's films when not just officers, but soldiers standing in civilian clothes on the road of criminals. I would have been enth in this situation comrades just for oblique glances immediately locked in a compartment and at the station under the hands of the police - sort it out. But this is - alas, earlier :(
  9. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 12 August 2013 06: 34
    +2
    The situation is sad, but natural. Officers are afraid to sneeze once again, not to use weapons. In my service I remember.
  10. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 12 August 2013 06: 46
    +1
    "For some reason, the colonels who praised the impotent warriors did not think about the fact that many civilians, women and children suffered due to the inaction of their subordinates."so with all RESPECT FOR A 30 YEARS OLD EXPERIENCE YOUR true cops (those who worked!)! oh how little ... hi
  11. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 12 August 2013 06: 47
    10
    Based on the air-blast from November 10 2007
    Chapter 1. Item 8.
    A serviceman is considered acting military service in the following cases:
    i) following to the place of military service and back;
    m) protect the life, health, honor and dignity of the individual;
    n) providing assistance to internal affairs bodies and other law enforcement bodies in protecting the rights and freedoms of man and citizen, protecting the rule of law and ensuring public safety;
    p) other actions recognized by the court as committed in the interests of the individual, society and the state.
    If necessary, a serviceman, by order of the commander (chief), is obliged to begin to perform military duties at any time.

    Based on this, the military were obliged to intervene and calm down 5 drunk.

    BUT:

    Has anyone been there on the train and saw what happened, or just read articles from an Internet?
    Were the officers armed or not?
    Did they call the cops to calm down the drunk who was bullying the civilians or the soldiers themselves?
    Police officers beaten in carriage with military personnel or in the vestibule?
    Bronniki selected after taking possession of a drunk weapon?

    There are more questions than answers. Any reasoning will be similar to kitchen indignation. Without complete truth, we can only fantasize and resent, and in front of the monitors we are all heroes.
    Now remember how muzzled the security officer of a modern soldier is ... Yes, even if he had one ordinary scratch, everyone would have fucked him, from the commander to the committee of soldiers' mothers. You cannot send them to your “lip” now, you will not announce extraordinary outfits, only kiss them on the railway station, and you say, intervene in the conflict with the fight.
    And then intervene in a mass brawl ... Yes, on the way to Sovgavan, where there is always a withering place.
    Is there any certainty that the cops would not have made warriors extreme in the event of a fight ???
    None.
    Liberalism in action.
    Zadr.chili command staff, and now the country is a feat waiting for them.
    Yes, the military must always defend, BUT ... b. HOW TO DO IT TODAY?!?!?!

    I do not blame the officers, as the situation is not clear what was really there. It’s good that the fighters survived.
    It’s not the officers who are to blame, but the state’s policy.
    When law enforcement officers are attacked in broad daylight, and the civilians and the military cannot get the hell out of whether they themselves will then be sentenced for getting involved in a fight - this is really an abomination.

    In the 30's, this would not have happened. The lessons would not have uttered in a carriage full of military men, and here, it seems, they were just throwing themselves at the military, but they certainly weren’t afraid ... that’s the crap.
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 12 August 2013 06: 50
      +5
      Вdifferent are not officers, but state policy.
      When law enforcement officers are attacked in broad daylight, and the civilians and the military cannot get the hell out of whether they themselves will then be sentenced for getting involved in a fight - this is really an abomination.

      Yes, you’re right - unfortunately this is so, tolerance towards villains and scoundrels doesn’t do any good (a recent example with the Dagestani MAGOY and his brother rapist showed it clearly)
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      2. воронов
        воронов 12 August 2013 09: 20
        +2
        Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
        Yes, you’re right - unfortunately this is so, tolerance towards villains and scoundrels doesn’t do any good (a recent example with the Dagestani MAGOY and his brother rapist showed it clearly)

        And at the same time, the high Moscow police authorities had the conscience to declare that in that situation the use of service weapons by the police would not be justified, because supposedly there was a large crowd of people including and women. That's what made the two PPS employees extreme, but even from the video it was clear that they didn’t stand indifferent, but intervened in the conflict, kept and dragged this Magus, but they didn’t use weapons, because They knew how it would come out to them sideways when the screams of the journalists and the media raised them and they would be torn to pieces by the prosecutor's office and the investigative committee.
      3. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 12 August 2013 13: 19
        +2
        I have never been afraid of the consequences of being in prison if my reputation is at stake
    2. воронов
      воронов 12 August 2013 09: 09
      +1
      Quote: Aleks tv
      I do not blame the officers, as the situation is not clear what was really there.

      Comrade completely agree with you !!! Because I doubt that these officers would have been scared of drunkenness. They were really scared, but the consequences, namely: if the military prosecutor's office would have caused bodily harm to the scumbags, they would have used a service weapon, similarly, God forbid any of the thugs would be killed, then They would be imprisoned for sure. Subordinates, these officers, young creatures, the so-called. modern "warriors and defenders", God forbid, the thugs would have broken their noses or something else serious, then the journalists, the media, the committee of soldiers' mothers, mothers, grandmothers, aunts, would have raised such a cry, it would not have seemed not only to these officers, but also Their commanders, and certainly the military prosecutor's office and military investigators, made those officers extreme. So do not be hysterical, first provide the officers with the right, and then demand a feat from them.
    3. creak
      creak 12 August 2013 09: 27
      +3
      Absolutely right! After all, even with the same man who gave a worthy rebuff to this scum, the prosecutor’s office will understand if he has exceeded the limits of the necessary defense. And how many servicemen in Chechnya rear rats have broken their lives for allegedly illegal use of weapons ... We need to listen less to the cries of all the holy fools among the so-called human rights defenders and give normal people the opportunity to act with an overstuffed gopot as she deserves.
  12. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 12 August 2013 06: 49
    10
    Everything is simple. The law in our country protects bandits, thieves. corrupt officials and scammers. If someone tries to fight this, they will immediately plant him. Here we have such a country now.
  13. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 12 August 2013 06: 58
    +5
    The news said a little differently: the two freed met two more on the train, there was a conflict, they called the police, they attacked the police (there were two of them), closed them in the vestibule, took away service weapons, there were about 30 military personnel and 4 officers in the car, officers didn’t say anything about weapons. Then the attackers broke the glass and left the train on the move. The officers, even if they were armed, would not oppose the attackers, in my opinion, because of fears for civilians who were also in the car. If shooting started in the car, then the victims would have been for sure. The attackers, after leaving the car, attacked on the road, then proceeded to a nearby village, where they attacked a family who was at home, where they received a worthy rebuff and were detained. The officers prevented massive, senseless casualties among both civilians and military personnel through their actions. But it also amazes me that about a Dagestan from the Moscow market a week was trumpeted: Caucasians attack, everything is allowed to them, but about this incident once in the news, the latest news, and neither the rumor nor the spirit. In this case, it is necessary to condemn the police, as two armed policemen made it possible to beat themselves, to close them in the vestibule !, and they even took away their weapons, and with advice they could have planted them.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 12 August 2013 07: 04
      +1
      Quote: sasha.28blaga
      officers didn’t say anything about weapons.


      Yes.
      The fact of the matter is that there are many ambiguities.
      Also, after reading the article, I first climbed into the Internet for info, then I opened the Internal Service Charter, and only then I started scribbling comments, and not vice versa.
  14. vitek1233
    vitek1233 12 August 2013 07: 01
    +1
    All this is sad, but not all cowards are not all scoundrels are brave heroes
  15. Revolver
    Revolver 12 August 2013 07: 07
    +3
    I can’t say anything about the officers, I wasn’t there, and neither was my avatar. But garbage for such "professionalism" should be driven from the organs with a filthy broom. And from their superiors, too, if not the shoulder straps entirely, then at least fight a star.
  16. George
    George 12 August 2013 07: 12
    +2
    Far Eastern transport police presented to the public a rating of the most criminogenic trains in the federal district. The first place was taken by train number 351 / 352, which runs from Vladivostok to Sovetskaya Gavan (Khabarovsk Territory) and back. It was there that on the evening of 28 of July, at five previously convicted passengers, there was a conflict with those around them, which received rapid development and only by a lucky chance did without human casualties.

    All participants in the beating are residents of the Khabarovsk Territory, all are convicted more than once - from three to five convictions per person, all about the same age: years of birth - from 1983 to 1989. The oldest, thirty-year-old Mikhail Zemskov, was by no means the most wise, and it is he who is called the instigator of disgrace, which subsequently led to the shooting and hostage-taking.

    It all started with an acquaintance - at first two young people were traveling separately from the other three - and drinking alcohol. This happened in a common carriage, and when at a short stop at the Bikin station the soldiers plunged into it, the reveling participants in the feast could not leave them unattended. A quarrel occurred with the assault, and police arrived in the car. According to some reports, they heard a noise from the platform when the train was at the station; according to others, they were called by officers accompanying the soldiers.

    Two officers of the patrol service tried to call drunken criminals to calm, but did not succeed. The police were severely beaten, not even allowing them to take on the service weapon. Moreover, a pistol was taken away from one of the employees, and then the victims were dragged into the platform of the car and tried to be thrown out of the train on the move. “One employee managed to catch the handrail of the car,” the “KP” quotes the story of the head of the Far Eastern Transport Police Vasily Volkov. “So he hung, clinging to his death grip with one hand, with the other he held his partner by the trouser belt - he was already unconscious from his injuries.”

    Zemskov, apparently, was finally possessed by a thirst for blood, and he shot at the police with a shot gun. He was prevented by another member of the company, Alexander Bykov, born in 1985. He is called the most experienced of the criminals: he has the most convictions, he allegedly tried to calm his comrades and subsequently broke away from the company. The police remained alive, but the repeat offenders did not want to stop there. They took part of their uniforms from their victims and robbed a few civilians traveling in the same carriage, in particular, according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, a deaf passenger. And then they took up the military.
  17. George
    George 12 August 2013 07: 26
    +2
    For their part, the military avoided escalating the conflict in every possible way. According to Volkov, in total there were 37 ordinary and four armed officers of motorized rifle troops heading for the exercises. In the Eastern Military District, however, they say that in the car were twenty soldiers of the last draft, whom the officers accompanied to the training camp. In addition, according to the military, the police were not beaten in front of passengers in the car, but in the vestibule.

    When the brawlers returned from the vestibule and began to threaten the servicemen with the gun taken from the policeman, they did not resist. Unlike the Ministry of Internal Affairs, where such passivity of people in uniform caused outrage, the military command approved the decision of the officers - because it allowed to protect the health and lives of conscripts. Indeed, it was possible to avoid bloodshed, although part of the uniform was taken away from the soldiers. However, the RSN radio station reported that one of the passengers, whether military or civilian, was still trying to protect the police, but they were scared away by shots.

    The train, meanwhile, stopped at the small Grushevoye station in the Dalnerechensky district of Primorye, and the attackers decided to go on the run. The most sober atmosphere was assessed by the mentioned Bulls, who preferred to stay on the train. It is possible, however, that he was just the most drunk in the company and the least mobile, and he came up with the whole story about his good intentions later.

    The four remaining “in service” - Zemskov, Denis Denisenko, Anton Devyatayev and Ilya Rudoy - went to a local village in search of a vehicle. The first thing they got into a house where there was none of the adults - only 15-year-old girl and her two younger sisters. Younger children hid, while the older one was taken hostage and forced to point out one of the local car owners.

    So the criminals got into the house of a local resident Sergei Kaznirchuk. Zemskov and Ruda came to him and, threatening with a pistol, began to demand the keys to the car. Their accomplices either waited with the hostage outside, or stayed at her house. Kaznirchuk was not at a loss and gave the attackers a decisive rebuff. He broke a stool over his head, and threw himself at the armed Zemskov with a knife.

    Zemskov shot and hit the landlord in the leg, but he himself received stab wounds in the stomach. Then his adult sons came to the rescue of Kaznirchuk, but both robbers, apparently, were no longer a danger: later they both went to intensive care. At this time, the police arrived, and Denisenko and Devyatov preferred to surrender without a fight.

    The extraordinary story of the consequences of the drinking party, which journalists compare with the plot of the western, did not last very long - about an hour and a half: the 352 train makes a stop in Bikin at 22: 52, in Grushevoy - at 01: 19. To date, three members of the "fighter" have been arrested, two while in the hospital - like Kaznirchuk, who is being treated for a bullet wound.

    Until now, Zemskov’s and company’s assets included mostly banal robberies, thefts and car thefts, but now new horizons have opened up for them. So far, they have been charged with part 2 of article 318 of the Criminal Code (Use of violence dangerous to life or health against a representative of the government), which provides for imprisonment for a term of three to ten years. It is interesting that Zemskov was previously prosecuted precisely under the 318 article and was on his own recognizance, that is, he was not the first to attack police officers.

    Most likely, the case will not be limited to one article: according to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the Far East Volkov, up to eight crimes, including robbery and holding hostages, can be charged with a rowdy.

    Yes, one Kaznirchuk rebuffed the bandits.
    On the other hand, I understand the officers, because they will drag me in.
    Speaking of weapons, the military did not see a word.
  18. Kazakh
    Kazakh 12 August 2013 07: 27
    +4
    Before reformed Damn sad
  19. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 12 August 2013 07: 40
    +5
    So the criminals got into the house of a local resident Sergei Kaznirchuk. Zemskov and Ruda came to him and, threatening with a pistol, began to demand the keys to the car. Their accomplices either waited with the hostage outside, or stayed at her house. Kaznirchuk was not at a loss and gave the attackers a decisive rebuff. He broke a stool over his head, and threw himself at the armed Zemskov with a knife.

    Amazingly - one man rebuffed the armed bandits - they were not afraid of them and the local prosecutor's office.

    How will the conscripts and officers accompanying them PROTECT YOUR NATIVE CLOSE - I do not understand.
  20. pinecone
    pinecone 12 August 2013 07: 51
    +3
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Everything is simple. The law in our country protects bandits, thieves. corrupt officials and scammers. If someone tries to fight this, they will immediately plant him. Here we have such a country now.


    I agree completely. As a rule, the courts are on the side of the criminals. In the report about this incident, viewers carefully warned that the investigation should still deal with the brave elderly man who defended himself and his family from a gangster attack, saying that he did not exceed the limits of necessary self-defense.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 12 August 2013 09: 51
      +2
      Yes, we have such a law enforcement system. There is such a norm in America - civil arrest. That is, if a citizen sees that an obvious unlawful act is being committed, he can arrest the criminal himself, using his own means - weapons, a stool ... After which, keep an answer to the court.
      As a rule, this is a simple question, consisting in finding out whether the detainee committed a crime. So - we have no such norm! And in general, it is clear why not. Too many fat faces rolling out in VIP cars will instantly end up behind bars. With an iron proof, you won't even twitch. And together with them there will land people with shoulder straps of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who are hovering around the fat, "providing" all these illegal acts ...
      Our system of laws and their application is tuned to ensure that these terrible events never happen. In addition, what scares, deprives of sleep, does not allow a Russian official to live in peace? This is the proud, open, free look of a Russian person! The official under him shrinks, withers, sour ... Drive into the parking lot where the cool guys park on their cool cars. And turn on at full power something like the "White Day" group. I promise you an unforgettable, albeit extremely pathetic sight ...
  21. omsbon
    omsbon 12 August 2013 08: 27
    0
    It's a shame and bitter to read such articles.
    I don’t want to comment, I wasn’t there and I didn’t see it with my own eyes, but it’s insulting and bitter!
  22. serioga
    serioga 12 August 2013 08: 31
    +2
    Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
    Yes, a small part of the officers dishonored the army of RUSSIA - BUT THE MOST OF OFFICERS ARE ALL SO I DO NOT THINK ABOUT.
    For me, an example of a REAL OFFICER is YURI BUDANOV (whatever dirt would have been poured on him) I’m sure if such an officer as YURI DMITRIEVICH BUDANOV, these criminals would not have easily escaped.

    Until if all the officers were like Budanov then the army would be a real army in which it would be an honor to serve. But such a cowardly defenders who ended up on the train in Armenia was their minority, which cannot be said for the Ukrainian (army) - more precisely, what was left of it
    1. воронов
      воронов 12 August 2013 09: 27
      0
      Quote: serioga
      But such cowardly defenders who appeared on the train in RA

      Did you ride that train and know all the circumstances of the case, what would you judge?
  23. aud13
    aud13 12 August 2013 08: 40
    0
    Our power is like a rag in the wind - where the wind blows there and sways.
    This is because power is not based on the LAW, but on instructions from above. Putin will say from above his next saying, and everyone with foam at the mouth and in sweat will begin to carry out his instructions. He doesn’t say it - quietly everything will shut up, all things will fall apart. Criminals always have more experience and opportunities to avoid punishment than their victims in order to punish criminals. In many cases, only mass gatherings (fans, bikers, just residents) allow for relatively fair punishment.
    Just talking in the kitchen that "the authorities did not act correctly in this case" do not exert any influence on this very authority (except for the pre-election period, naturally).
    Therefore, I see only the only way out, at present, - this is a personal tacit presence at a permitted rally against the next outrage. Unfortunately for the authorities, this is so far the only "incentive barometer" by which it determines that the situation is starting to get out of control and something needs to be done.
  24. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 12 August 2013 08: 52
    0
    Something is not being said here. After all, the police do not go on the train one at a time. And at least two. That is, if one of them was disarmed, then where was the second? He should have reported the incident to the nearest unit.
    Moreover, he had time for this, because robbing 50 people, including armed ones, is not fast. It was not clear where the partner was.

    Perhaps it happened at night, when everyone was sleeping, and the bandits came into the car with soldiers from another car (already armed), and simply put a gun to the head of one of the officers. Further it is clear ..
    So there’s no need to rush to conclusions like this. First of all, facts are needed.
  25. povkonavt
    povkonavt 12 August 2013 08: 53
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    Administrators, correct the title of the article, otherwise it is somehow not written in Russian :)
  26. Apollo
    Apollo 12 August 2013 08: 58
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    Good morning everybody! hi

    video footage in the topic



  27. goody
    goody 12 August 2013 09: 09
    +1
    As they say, there was an unpleasant aftertaste ...
  28. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 12 August 2013 09: 19
    +3
    Apparently these, if I may say so, "officers" acted on the principle of "their own shirt is closer to the body," or rather, inactive. And perhaps they are afraid of responsibility for exceeding the limits of self-defense.
  29. воронов
    воронов 12 August 2013 09: 40
    0
    None of the commentators and myself, including we didn’t go on that train, we don’t know the true circumstances of the matter, and therefore there’s nothing to judge those officers. But I know for sure that the officers will use their service weapons in that situation (if they had one) and God forbid if they wounded or they would have shot one of those scumbags-they would have planted them for sure, even if they would have inflicted bodily harm to that drunk without weapons and then the military prosecutor’s office would have drunk blood. And if the drunk inflicted bodily harm on the soldiers, again the officers wouldn’t have seemed to their command, the media, the committee of soldiers m the priest and the military prosecutor’s office, together with military scouts, we now have such humanism and tolerance. First, ensure the rights of the officers, and then demand a feat from them.
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 12 August 2013 12: 12
      +1
      Quote: voronov
      voronov (2)

      But why the hell do they need it then, this is a weapon! Let the piglets be fed in the rear!
  30. Megatron
    Megatron 12 August 2013 10: 09
    +4
    On the one hand, I understand both the cops and officers. The problem is not in them. And in our entire system, we do not even have the right to self-defense. I will kill you, you will kill the attacker during self-defense - most likely you will sit down. And the cops don't give a damn that you defended yourself, or your loved ones. And the weapon will use the same cop - ON MATTER, it is also not known how everything will end for him. Right now the police were also pecked.

    Remember the case, the bandits with guns broke into the farmer, wanted to kill everyone (as in the Kushchevskaya village), he stabbed two or three with a knife, one escaped, so he was put to trial, started a case, only the villagers who all went outside were saved, stood up for his defense. It seems to be justified.

    In the USA, of course, there is a lot of bad things, but there are good laws on the protection of one’s life and property.
  31. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 12 August 2013 11: 01
    +1
    It's just that none of the officers wanted to go to prison, as did the policeman, because if weapons were used against 5 criminals, they would have to shoot not at 1, but at all and shoot to kill, and everyone knows perfectly well what decisions our "Themis" makes in such cases.
  32. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 12 August 2013 11: 28
    +4
    Yes! The issues of motivating service in the Armed Forces are now very different from very recent times. Don't think this is a bike, but it did happen. One of the first to receive the title of Hero of the Soviet Union for the battles in Vietnam was the commander of the air defense missile systems, Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Pavlov ... my teacher at the school in the distant 70s .. For the presentation he was summoned to Moscow. We flew through Tashkent or Alma-Ata (I don't remember exactly) ... there was a landing for 2 hours to refuel the liner. The future hero entered a restaurant ... ordered a glass of cognac ... another lieutenant colonel from this flight sat down next to him at the table ... ordered a bottle ... started talking. Oleg looked closely at the pads on his tunic and asked ... where did the combat awards come from, the same as mine, the Order of the Red Banner and the Stars, combat medals ... I like all those awarded in Vietnam know by sight ... Also a neighbor who has drunk a glass of cognac - the lieutenant colonel and said that he serves in the award department of the Group of Forces in Vietnam ... prints lists for the presentation ... sometimes he does not forget himself ... and when the parcels by special mail arrive in Hanoi, then everything that concerns him is withdrawn, the lists are reprinted and etc .. His story ended with a blow to the head with a half-empty bottle of cognac ... hospital, deprivation of awards and writing off from the army as a fool ... Lieutenant Colonel O. PAVLOV was stripped of the title of "Hero ...", was awarded the Order of Lenin and sent to school.
    In my opinion, this officer could really say "I have the honor"! And he would not have remained indifferent in the express car ...
  33. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 13: 31
    0
    it is strange that they remembered the case of almost a month ago.
    By the way, the case when the stooltkin of the head of the airborne school was on the "parade ground" of the wings from the same series
    1. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 12 August 2013 13: 58
      0
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      they remembered the case of almost a month ago.

      ... something I have never met information about this ... but I guarantee for my story ... that it was so ... not in vain I surname ... called a name ...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 August 2013 15: 17
        0
        for a month I got excited
        http://www.nr2.ru/fareast/451717.html
  34. user
    user 12 August 2013 13: 51
    0
    And you ask for the sake of interest how now there is a set in military educational institutions, who and how and where goes. If your father didn’t bring you on his own time and agreements, they always want money, although then many leave for PSG (ON OWN DESIRE). Most of all, it struck me that the same thing was practiced at the FSB Academy (as they say, nothing human is alien to us). And who do you want to see at the exit.
  35. radio operator
    radio operator 12 August 2013 14: 14
    +1
    Namely - four drunken criminals in the train disarmed a policeman, robbed passengers and .... about 50 military personnel, among whom were four armed officers.

    The main thing (!!!) The command of the unit praised the officers for their inaction, and that no one was hurt by the criminals. Well, if, of course, do not consider dirty honor. But apparently for them it is not relevant.

    I'm shocked, to be honest.
    Just like in the army of Israel: if your life is in danger - surrender all yours, give out all the secrets, if only your filthy skin would be whole.
    Russian soldiers were and are not like that.
    Unhealthy trend.
  36. polly
    polly 12 August 2013 14: 33
    +1
    I think that a person either has an honor or does not (without dividing it into a valiant officer and others), as well as pride! And then there is determination and personal courage. If you think about the consequences for a long time, you will not rush into the embrasure. ..If almost on the topic, then in the half-empty carriage of the Khasan-Novochuguevka train (it was like this in the 90s) once quieted down four of the same people, who "reclined" in the next compartment. Protecting the psyche and moral health of my 3-year-old daughter from obscene language and dirty words, literally burst into the drunken company and yelled all the most polite and cultured words that she knew. It is unlikely that they were scared of an ordinary girl, but subsided before they disembarked in Ussuriisk, apparently amazed by my "arrogance" and the abundance of words they did not understand: others- then the passengers pretended that everything was fine ...