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Sergei Shoigu: Every morning for the Russian military should begin with the performance of the Russian National Anthem

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Sergei Shoigu: Every morning for the Russian military should begin with the performance of the Russian National Anthem



Every morning in all military groups of the Russian army will henceforth begin with the performance of the Russian National Anthem by servicemen. This order was given today by Defense Minister General of the Army Sergey Shoigu at a meeting of the Defense Ministry board when discussing the issue of spiritual, moral and patriotic education of servicemen.
“I ask the commanders and commanders to ensure the performance of the National Anthem of Russia. I instruct every morning in military groups to begin with the performance of the anthem, whatever the servicemen do,” said Shoigu.
The Minister also gave a number of other instructions. In particular, he instructed to compile a list of mandatory books for military-patriotic topics for military personnel to read.
Shoigu considers it necessary to prepare a short course stories the Russian army with the allocation of appropriate funds. If it is impossible to prepare a single history course for the country, it is necessary to prepare such a textbook for the army and introduce it into all military training courses, he said.
The minister recalled that "every self-respecting soldier of military service" in preparation for dismissal from the Armed Forces is preparing the so-called "demobel album." "I am inclined to ensure that the commanders take the lead in the process of producing the so-called" demobel albums ", since each military unit has its own history," said Shoigu.
The minister also stated that the army is facing the problem of drug use. In this regard, in the Military Medical Administration and in all specialized institutions, it is necessary to create a service for controlling possible drug use, through which everything must pass - from a soldier to a commander, set the task for Shoigu.
In addition, he ordered this year to complete the creation of the film studio at the TV channel "Star", noting that this film studio will be engaged in feature films, documentaries and, possibly, animation films. Film studios must be formed in the branches of troops and military districts, Shoigu said.
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  1. xetai9977
    xetai9977 1 August 2013 08: 33 New
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    Have you had this before? And we have about 10 years as the morning begins with the Anthem. And not only in parts, in schools, too.
    1. soldat1945
      soldat1945 1 August 2013 08: 48 New
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      I don’t know what kind of bicycle is being invented here. The anthem in our units is performed in the morning on a divorce when the State Flag is hoisted and in the evening when it is descended. News from the category what else to say to the media!
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 1 August 2013 09: 02 New
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        Quote: soldat1945
        Sergei Shoigu: Every morning for the Russian military should begin with the performance of the Russian National Anthem

        New entered the arsenal of the Russian army TECHNOLOGY.
        1. soldat1945
          soldat1945 1 August 2013 12: 43 New
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          The quote is not mine, what are you talking about?
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 August 2013 10: 47 New
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        Shoigu simply does not know that in parts, divorces occur in the morning.

        He must, by order, force all the orchestra members to sew "torpedoes" for himself. And then they are such roulades instead of the anthem the next day after the next funeral they give out that it would be better not to play at all.
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 1 August 2013 13: 54 New
          -4
          hi
          Shovel Quote (1)
          Shoigu simply does not know that in parts, divorces occur in the morning.

          When someone
          perhaps not quite successful in life and successful in business,
          not capable sometimes, even build a worthy relationship with a woman,
          but in his comments,
          that way - with a pat on the shoulder, on the "you" and crony
          allows herself to be accused of dementia, and even more so, if she also starts to teach in a thoughtful way "how can we equip Russia"
          universally recognized as successful in public affairs on a larger scale than his country, statesman
          I always remember the unforgettable phrase of A.P. Chekhov
          “You, Chestnut, an insect creature and nothing more. Against man, you are all the same that a carpenter is against a carpenter ”

          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 1 August 2013 15: 57 New
            +1
            Are you OK?
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 1 August 2013 16: 47 New
              +1
              hi
              Thank you for your care, colleague drinks !
              You won’t believe it - everything is just great good ...
              1. dustycat
                dustycat 4 August 2013 16: 33 New
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                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                hi
                Thank you for your care, colleague drinks !
                You won’t believe it - everything is just great good ...

                You can do it with complex sentences and well.
                But many of those present here are not very.
                Try to state your thoughts in simple sentences.
                Then there will be less minus.
            2. AK-47
              AK-47 1 August 2013 17: 39 New
              0
              Quote: Spade
              Are you OK?

              With a head? fool
              1. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 1 August 2013 18: 08 New
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                hi
                If you, a colleague, also do not gently tap your forehead and turn your finger at the temple, as on a smiley face, then nothing good will come of your head yes . You take care, comrade smile ...
            3. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak 1 August 2013 19: 07 New
              +5
              Lopatov "Are you all right?"
              At first I was scared for him too. But then he read his komenty - nothing seemed to let him go.
              1. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 1 August 2013 20: 17 New
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                hi
                Quote Nagaybak
                But then read his komenty

                I am also scared and surprised by some colleagues with the stubbornness of convincing everyone in the debility of the leaders of Russia, in this case, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation. Otherwise, how can one perceive, for example, the statement that -
                Shoigu simply does not know that in parts, divorces occur in the morning.

                This is the same as saying that the Minister of Agriculture is confident that watermelons grow on trees, and the Minister of Health that storks bring children or are found in cabbage ...
                Or, that one of the main duties of the same Minister of Defense of the country is to deal with morning hangover syndrome and bad breath due to the mouth of the personnel of the provincial garrison orchestra after their participation in the funeral ...
          2. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 1 August 2013 18: 27 New
            +1
            hi
            As far as I understand, colleagues who support V.I. Lenin's thesis from his work "Will the Bolsheviks Retain State Power" (October 1917) -
            "We are not utopians. We know that any laborer and any cook are not able to immediately take control of the state. In this we agree with the Cadets, and with Breshkovskaya, and with Tsereteli. But we differ from these citizens in that we demand immediate breaking with the prejudice of running the state, carrying on the everyday, daily work of government is only able-bodied officials capable of, or demanding wealthy families.We demand that government training be given by conscious workers and soldiers and that it be started immediately, ie. e. to learn that immediately began to attract all the working people, all the poor. "
            Well, we are citizens of a free country, everyone has the right to their point of view ....
            1. V. Salama
              V. Salama 2 August 2013 12: 00 New
              +4
              Quote: Apologet.Ru
              As far as I understand, colleagues who support V.I. Lenin's thesis from his work "Will the Bolsheviks Retain State Power" (October 1917) -

              Personally, I did not minus, but this post was hooked to the point of impossibility. I understand that all sorts of liberals, counting on the illiteracy of the people, distort events, phrases, in short, they are brainwashed. But you gave the statement verbatim. Don't you understand the meaning of what was written? Or you don't know what public administration is? You seem to have no idea what management is. Although, here I got excited. After all, "in his own life, everyone is the most intelligent" and can understand by the concept of "management" everything that seems right to him. In the lecture of one bureaucrat from the Ministry of Emergencies, invited to one of the universities, there is such a definition: "Management is the art of doing your work with someone else's hands." If you have the same feudal ideas about this specific form of ensuring productive labor, then I sincerely sympathize with you. However, let me remind you that the Constitution of the Russian Federation states (vaguely, of course, thanks to pin_do_sam for the consultations) that "the only source of power in the Russian Federation is the people," and "every cook" is also a people. Or do you disagree? And "power" is the basis-foundations of any government, including the state. We are taught that we must go to the polls. By the way, Shoigu suggested (referring to, I don't remember which countries) those who do not go to elections to be deprived of their citizenship or sent to hard labor. That is, everyone must take part in the necessary ritual, and we ourselves will make 2% of the votes out of 64% of the rating (from EBN). This is what I mean, even by the presence of elections to power, it is clear that the participation of the people in government is assumed, although the existing system of these elections is extremely imperfect. Of course, knowledge is required to participate in governance. Our government does not need a competent people. V. Zhirinovsky: "... we do not need education. There is only one harm from educated youth." Here I will refer to V. Lenin: "An illiterate person is always outside politics as a subject, and always in politics as a means." I hope you understand what this is about? Or did the liberal interpreters manage to fool this phrase? Well, in order to understand, you need to have a critical perception of perception, and of course to study, as Lenin bequeathed.
              1. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 2 August 2013 20: 16 New
                +1
                hi
                The thesis of this article is the phrase that "every cook must learn to manage the state."
                I believe that every cook should first of all learn how to cook cabbage soup, not slop, and it’s the work of a worker to upgrade their qualifications by profession, and not to teach in the comments of the President of the country how, for example, to build relations with other states.
                And then it became fashionable for us, for example, for the same wise guys who did not serve a day in the army, again in comments, to teach the same Minister of Defense what uniform to wear or which tanks to order.
                And how do senior reserve lieutenants lead the War Department, I hope that I don’t need to remind anyone, anyway?
                Therefore, I am convinced that a person trained in this and having relevant practical experience should manage the areas of state activity, but this will already be “not a cook”.
                Otherwise, we will forever remain in a state of devastation, and everyone but us will be to blame ...

                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 2 August 2013 20: 35 New
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                  Quote: Apologet.Ru
                  Therefore, I am convinced that a person trained in this and having relevant practical experience should manage the areas of state activity, but this will already be “not a cook”.

                  But from this place in great detail. Who is Shoigu?

                  In order to have real command experience, sufficient for the leadership of the Armed Forces, it is necessary to pass two positions - company commander and regiment commander. Only after that it is possible to declare with full responsibility “I know everything about the daily life of the troops and can lead in peacetime” Does Shoigu have such experience and knowledge? No.

                  For the leadership of the armed forces during military operations, it is necessary, among other things, to have knowledge at least at the level of the General Staff Academy. Shoigu has such? No.

                  So who is the "cook" here? That's right, Shoigu.
                  That is why he soaks such pearls as this performance of hymns (he simply never experienced the delights of the morning in the barracks), how parrot decorations on his uniform (normal military men treat this very ironically), climbs into the "production" of demobilized albums (normal commanders in the course that nothing can be done about it, there was already experience, both ours and the Polish with their scarves)
                  1. Apologet.Ru
                    Apologet.Ru 2 August 2013 21: 31 New
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                    hi
                    In order to have real command experience

                    You know, colleague, I’m already tired of advising that before asking any question, type it in a search engine formulated accordingly, and you will get the answer you need.
                    In this case, well, at least - “The structure of the Ministry of Emergencies of Russia”.
                    Have you tried it? Familiarized and delved into?
                    How many military units, organizations and personnel are included in this structure. What combat missions does it accomplish in peacetime?
                    And after that, what do you think the 8 year old (1994 — 2012 years) - the practical experience of the Minister of the Russian Federation for civil defense, emergency situations and natural disaster response is a responsibility and worthy of a cook?
                    What to talk about with you then?
                    Can you even imagine what this position is?
                    Have you ever tried to get acquainted with the biography of the current Minister of Defense?
                    But trying here, no offense will be told to you, something thoughtfully "build from yourself."
                    Before asking questions about the duties and powers of the country's leaders, at least try to figure out for yourself what the Ministry of Defense is, as a federal executive body and who is responsible for what in the country's leadership and the Defense Ministry — the President, as the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, the Minister of Defense, how State official, chief of the General Staff, as the highest military official in the Armed Forces, etc. etc.
                    And then after your questions I had a doubt in your competence in military matters ...
                    And as for the demobilization albums, then Generalissimo Suvorov liked to say - "if you can’t prevent the outrage, then head it."
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 3 August 2013 10: 06 New
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                      Yes, the Ministry of Emergencies includes military units. But Shoigu never was not a company commander or commander of a separate mechanized regiment GO.
                      Further, if you think that the military use of the army and the Ministry of Emergencies has at least some similarities between them, then I congratulate you ...

                      Quote: Apologet.Ru
                      Have you ever tried to get acquainted with the biography of the current Minister of Defense?

                      Of course. And you? Are you aware that his first real military rank was Major General? Immediately after the rank of reserve lieutenant?

                      Quote: Apologet.Ru
                      And then after your questions I had a doubt in your competence in military matters ...

                      It’s more likely with me.
                      1. dustycat
                        dustycat 4 August 2013 16: 53 New
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                        Quote: Spade
                        Yes, the Ministry of Emergencies includes military units. But Shoigu never was not a company commander or commander of a separate mechanized regiment GO.

                        Actually, at first all the Ministry of Emergencies was a little more than a platoon.
                        Six months later, reached the number of regiments.
                        And the same Shoigu commanded it all.
                        So he went through all the stages.
                        But not about that.

                        Management principles are the same in any field.
                        The main principle of management theory is that the boss must understand and be able to formulate the current management goal and be aware of all possible ways to achieve the goal.
                        Shoigu became what he became because he met these requirements.
                        But people like him are few. Unfortunately.
                        Most of the bosses (military and civilian) meet the criterion - "I am the boss", morally and mentally remaining at the level of the ever-memorable cook.
                        I am silent about "effective managers". Upbringing does not allow to use foul language in the media.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 4 August 2013 17: 09 New
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                        Quote: dustycat
                        Actually, at first all the Ministry of Emergencies was a little more than a platoon.

                        That's just not necessary noodles.
                      3. dustycat
                        dustycat 5 August 2013 20: 30 New
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                        Quote: Spade

                        That's just not necessary noodles.

                        Do not brew ...
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 5 August 2013 20: 53 New
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                        Do you think this is not noodles? Okay.
                        Then the question is: how many separate mechanized regiments of civil defense, separate automobile regiments of civil defense, individual aviation detachments of civil defense consisted of this your famous platoon, from which the Ministry of Emergencies began?
                2. Apologet.Ru
                  Apologet.Ru 5 August 2013 01: 20 New
                  +1
                  hi
                  I see, colleague, the laurels of the Minister of Defense, or rather personally Shoigu SK, do not give you peace? You really would have been in his place, uhhh ...., put things in order ...
                3. Apologet.Ru
                  Apologet.Ru 5 August 2013 15: 18 New
                  0
                  hi
                  Lopatov’s colleague (1), let's do without equivocations, finally openly “poke my nose” into my egregious ignorance, quoting with reference to legislative documents or simply facts that you convince me of -
                  - “Shoigu simply does not know that in the mornings divorces occur in parts” - on the basis of what facts do you make such bold conclusions?
                  - the duties of the Minister of Defense include - "It is necessary that he, by order, force all the orchestra members to sew" torpedoes "for himself" - well, here I generally have "no comments" - whose duties, according to the charter, include control over personnel?
                  - “in order to have real command experience, sufficient for the leadership of the Armed Forces, it is necessary to pass two positions - a company commander and a regiment commander. Only then can one declare with full responsibility "I know everything about the daily life of the troops and can lead in peacetime" - I ABSOLUTELY agree with you, colleague, about the desirability of such events ... but if, according to the legislation of the Russian Federation, a civilian is appointed as the Minister of Defense, how to be then? And then what about the notorious P.S. Grachev, who fully meets your criteria? - maybe the success in the activities of the Minister of Defense is NOT only in this?
                  - that to the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation - “For the leadership of the Armed Forces during the hostilities it is necessary, among other things, to have knowledge at least at the level of the General Staff Academy”. The question is from me - what responsibilities are assigned to the Minister of Defense for the direct management of hostilities - here, please, a colleague, preferably a quote with a link and who is in charge of the armed forces during the hostilities, as well as which state body is being created to manage these operations and who runs it? Hint - I have already presented you a list of guidance documents on this issue ...
                  “That's why he soaks pearls such as playing hymns (he has never banally experienced the delights of the morning in the barracks)” - a question from me - please list these charms that the Minister of Defense cannot do without and why the anthem should be performed in the barracks, and not on the parade ground during the morning divorce or evening verification?
                  - “parrot decorations on uniforms (normal military people treat such things very ironically)” - a question from me - list specific exclusive “decorations”, well, at least on the discussed sample of the uniform’s clothes are “headquarters casual”, which are NOT available on similar samples of the same Bundasarmia, P. Indostana, well, or the same Misty P. Idrion?
                  - "climbs into the" production "of demobilization albums (normal commanders know that there is nothing to be done about it, there has already been experience, both ours and the Polish with their scarves)" - what is the specific negative of this assignment to the assistant commanders for educational work? Moreover, as I have already said, Generalissimo Suvorov advised - "if you cannot prevent an outrage, then lead it."
                  Best regards smile
              2. mehanik27
                mehanik27 4 August 2013 00: 13 New
                +1
                Sergey Kuzhugetovich, well enough already ... log in at last under your name
            2. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 5 August 2013 00: 38 New
              0
              hi
              You actually know. that according to the legislation of the Russian Federation, a civilian can be appointed Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation?
              And in the recent history of Russia there is already one commander who meets your criteria
              to have real command experience sufficient for the leadership of the Armed Forces, it is necessary to go through two positions - company commander and regiment commander. Only after that can one declare with full responsibility "I know everything about the daily life of the troops and can lead in peacetime
              For the leadership of the armed forces during military operations, it is necessary, among other things, to have knowledge at least at the level of the General Staff Academy.

              I do not want to look blasphemous, but recall how the First Chechen company led by him personally ended?
              You, colleague, just do not need to confuse the powers and responsibilities of the Minister of Defense and the Chief of the General Staff, however, I already spoke about this ...
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 5 August 2013 11: 34 New
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                You should not confuse Russia and the USA with this. They have the responsibilities of the Minister of Defense and the Chairman of the OKNSh strictly differentiated. That allows you to put on the post of the first politician.
                In our country, the minister retained the same duties and powers as under the military ministers.

                In addition, Shoigu positions himself precisely as a minister-military. He even came up with a new form. With marshall stars and six (!) Stripes.
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          3. alone
            alone 2 August 2013 21: 37 New
            +1
            Dear, because Shoigu is not Napoleon either! to lead the Ministry of Emergencies and MO is not the same
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 2 August 2013 21: 52 New
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              hi
              And who claims to be Napoleon?
              I express MY OPINION in the fact that S.K.Shoigu is in his place and in the recent history of Russia he is, at the moment, the most adequate Minister of Defense arousing respect from me.
              And I can give you a lot of examples when a graduate, for example, of an engineering school became an excellent commander in the linear part and vice versa.
              That's it, I'm finishing the discussion on this topic, because I'm tired of "chewing" elementary things.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 3 August 2013 10: 07 New
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                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                That's it, I'm finishing the discussion on this topic, because I'm tired of "chewing" elementary things.

                To begin with, you should have at least a minimal understanding of these "elementary things"
                1. Apologet.Ru
                  Apologet.Ru 5 August 2013 00: 28 New
                  +1
                  hi
                  If you take the trouble to type in the search engine the phrase "Powers of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation", "Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation" and "Regulations on the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation" and study the proposed information, you will understand what I meant by basic things.
                  Good Luck!
                2. Apologet.Ru
                  Apologet.Ru 5 August 2013 01: 04 New
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                  You actually know. that according to the legislation of the Russian Federation, a civilian can be appointed Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation?
                  And in the recent history of Russia, there was already one commander who met your criteria
                  to have real command experience sufficient for the leadership of the Armed Forces, it is necessary to go through two positions - company commander and regiment commander. Only after that can one declare with full responsibility "I know everything about the daily life of the troops and can lead in peacetime
                  For the leadership of the armed forces during military operations, it is necessary, among other things, to have knowledge at least at the level of the General Staff Academy.

                  I do not want to look blasphemous, but recall how the First Chechen company led by him personally ended?
                  You, colleague, just do not need to confuse the powers and responsibilities of the Minister of Defense and the Chief of the General Staff, however, I already spoke about this ...
                3. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 5 August 2013 11: 35 New
                  +1
                  Did you type yourself? Only honestly. And that zelo is unlikely.
        2. V. Salama
          V. Salama 3 August 2013 17: 39 New
          +2
          [quote = Apologet.Ru] The thesis of this article is the phrase that "every cook must learn to manage the state." [/ quote]
          This is from the series "she came up with herself - she was offended." I thought I already drew your attention to this nuance. Firstly, this phrase does not belong to Lenin (you yourself brought its full appearance, so compare it with the original), it is distorted and taken out of context, which distorts the proposed idea. Secondly, if you do not like the word “cook”, then replace it with the word “citizen”.
          However, it must be remembered that a “citizen” is a person who has a specific quality - “citizenship”, which used to have a clear definition and was formed in the process of educational and work activities. That is, a citizen must also be able to become, and not just obtain citizenship. Now, in the absence of an official ideology, no one has the full right to call himself a citizen of the Russian Federation, and therefore does not have the right to flattery with his opinions and assessments of the quality of the services offered within the country by society and the state. Did you mean to say this, or do you defend the idea of ​​a new type of caste society, when the shoemaker has the right to criticize only the shoemaker, the pastry maker and the president the president. We already have good results in this field - the quality of medical services by a physician-gouging with a fatal outcome is covered by the entire medical community. Do we need this?

          [quote = Apologet.Ru] I believe that every cook should first of all learn how to cook cabbage soup, not slop, and it’s the work of a worker to improve their qualifications by profession, and not to learn in the President’s comments ... [/ quote] First , first of all, every cook must learn to read and write and, according to your own logic, it’s not our royal business to teach a cook - she better know what to do first and what to do in the second. But I will not accept these rules of controversy, they are not productive.
          [quote = Apologet.Ru] And how do the senior lieutenants of the reserve run the War Ministry ...? / quote] Is that what Lenin bequeathed to us to put amateurs in positions without preparation, but what about "study, study and study again." The trouble is that the army was torn apart under the slogan "professionals should serve in the army," and if you ask any reformer who a "professional" is, either goofy in response or "like a fish on ice".

          [quote = Apologet.Ru] Otherwise, we will forever be in a state of ruin, and everyone will be guilty except us ... [/ quote] What are you talking about? About the fact that you have to be professionals or that you cannot criticize professionals? By the way, your video is not the topic here, do not vulgarize Bulgakov. Criticism of the "Shvonders" denounced by the authorities is relevant now. According to the results of some studies in the Russian Federation, the most ineffective, but the highest paid managerial work.
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          2. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 5 August 2013 00: 06 New
            +1
            hi
            You again didn’t figure it out, but immediately with all the revolutionary ardor you begin to blame.
            Do you know the meaning of the word THESIS?
            I already advised that before you thoughtfully state / criticize something, do not be too lazy to type in the search engine a correctly formulated question on the topic of interest to you.
            Of course, this is only if you do not consider yourself a complete polyglot.
            So, meaning of the word thesis -
            according to Ozhegov:
            Thesis - A provision that summarizes an idea, as well as one of the main ideas of the essay, report
            The meaning of the word Thesis in the Logical Dictionary:
            A thesis is one of the elements of proof, a provision whose truth is substantiated in the proof. T. must satisfy the following rules:
            1. T. must be formulated clearly and accurately. Compliance with this rule warns against ambiguity and ambiguity in the proof of a situation. Sometimes a person speaks a lot and as if proving something, but what exactly he proves remains unclear due to T.'s ambiguity. Sometimes T.'s ambiguity leads to fruitless disputes arising from the fact that the parties differently understand the position being proved.
            2. T. must remain the same throughout the evidence. Violation of this rule leads to an error called substitution of the thesis.
            And what does the phrase of V.I. Lenin “To study, study, study (communism)”, which he allegedly uttered at the III All-Russian Congress of the RKSM 2 on October 1920 of the year, have no relation to senior reserve lieutenant Serdyukov.
            By the way, about the phrase “Learn, study, study” - it is a common misconception that Lenin pronounced it 2 on October 1920 of the year at the III All-Russian Congress of the RKSM. In fact, although he said in this speech that it was necessary to learn communism, he did not repeat the word “learn” three times.
            But in the article “A Backward Direction in Russian Social Democracy” (1899 g, published in 1924 g), he used this repetition:
            “While an educated society is losing interest in honest, illegal literature, a passionate desire for knowledge and socialism is growing among workers, real heroes stand out among workers who, despite the ugly atmosphere of their lives, despite the stupid hard labor in the factory, - find in themselves so much character and willpower to study, study and study and develop from themselves conscious social democrats, the “working intelligentsia”.
            And for that matter, then in relation to the armed forces in this case it’s more suitable "Our slogan should be one - to study military affairs in this way, to establish order on the railways." - Political report of the Central Committee to the VII Congress of the RCP (B.), 7 March 1918 g. - PSS, 5-th ed., T. 36, p. 26.
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 5 August 2013 00: 19 New
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              So, V. Salam’s colleague, “by all means you need to set yourself the task ...: firstly, to study, secondly, to study, and thirdly, to study and then verify that science does not remain dead in us a letter or a fashionable phrase (and this, there’s nothing to hide, it is especially common with us) so that science really enters the flesh and blood, turns into an integral element of everyday life in a completely and real way. ”
              Good Luck!
            2. V. Salama
              V. Salama 5 August 2013 13: 20 New
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              Quote: Apologet.Ru
              You again didn’t figure it out ...

              Quote: Apologet.Ru
              Do you know the meaning of the word THESIS?
              1. V. Salama
                V. Salama 5 August 2013 14: 53 New
                0
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                You again didn’t figure it out ...
                Again?! And what is interesting?
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                Do you know the meaning of the word THESIS?
                Я
                I know, but you are not (see paragraph 2 of your dictionary). I recommend that you turn to logic (there is such a science about the laws of thinking) and rhetoric, at the same time it will be useful to look through it, it’s not for you to read dictionaries: “Thesis is one of the elements of evidence, the position whose truth is substantiated in the proof” - you don’t even understand the meaning of this phrase brought here. In our case, your fort is: “A conscious or unconscious consideration of an insufficient set of essential properties of an object (process, phenomenon) or a set of non-essential properties is a half-truth that is worse than a lie, because it is based on facts, and with the help of facts you can prove anything.” So, if this is done intentionally (consciously), then this technique is determined by logic as dishonest (vile). And what is the name of a person who admits meanness? In short, your "thesis" does not roll here, to put it mildly.
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                And what does the phrase of V.I. Lenin “Learn, .... to the senior lieutenant of the reserve Serdyukov I can not imagine at all.
                Nothing. Cheating or dumb pretend to be?
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                But in the article ... he applied this repetition:
                "... to study, study and study and develop oneself as conscious ...".
                Why are you doing this? Turn around, like in a frying pan, isn’t it really dumb? Verbalism is one, you want to show well-read? A dead room, not a horse feed, apparently.
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                And for that matter, then with regard to the armed forces in this case, it’s more suitable: “Our slogan should be one - to study military affairs in this way,
                What for that matter? Go to Shoigu and don’t know that it’s better for the Armed Forces, is Lenin not authority for him?
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                .... you “must by all means set yourself the task ...: firstly - to study, ...
                And I’ve been studying all my life. In addition, I consider it fair to say that "only one who still continues to study has the right to teach."
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                ... and then check that our science does not remain a dead letter or a buzzword ...
                So this is the task of my work, to write reviews on abstracts of applicants for academic degrees, all kinds of research reports ...
      3. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 2 August 2013 22: 23 New
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        hi
        Well, of course to learn, as Lenin bequeathed.

        Well, he still loved to say that “If it’s war, so military” ...
        1. V. Salama
          V. Salama 3 August 2013 18: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Apologet.Ru
          Well, he still loved to say that “If it’s war, so military” ...
          Again twenty-five ... I am haunted by the dream of getting laurels for proving that Lenin was an idiot. Such attempts are already a diagnosis. And according to the above statement, I will explain: there is a specific logic of war that must be observed (these are about four pages of statements that should be used in a complex, such as "if the enemy does not surrender, they destroy him" (or it is not an enemy, but a neighbor in the country, for example) ). Remember the definition of "unacceptable harm". By the way, on 8.08.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX we fought very unmilitarily. For example, when the chief of artillery personally adjusted the fire of the batteries on the cell phone of a journalist, since his own connection was absent. "In order to defeat the enemy, one must create superiority, be able to use it and not allow the enemy to use his advantage" (from the logic of war).
          1. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 4 August 2013 23: 23 New
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            hi
            You again didn’t figure it out, but immediately with all the revolutionary ardor you begin to blame. The phrase “If you want to fight like that in a war” is the paraphrase “À la guerre comme à la guerre” rephrased by V. I. Lenin himself - “In war, as in war”, which he most actively uses in letters and telegrams addressed to command of the active forces of the Red Army to intensify its actions during the defeat in the summer of 1918 of the year ...
            1. V. Salama
              V. Salama 5 August 2013 12: 31 New
              +1
              Quote: Apologet.Ru
              You again didn’t figure it out, but immediately with all the revolutionary ardor you begin to blame.

              Didn't figure it out again? Well, if specifically for the post under discussion, then everything is extremely clear from the context. Or you yourself did not understand what you wanted to say. And now, what idea do you confirm or refute with your statements? I can voice, of course, how I understood you here and how I appreciated, but it will be unpleasant to read. Also, why did you decide that he was paraphrasing a French proverb that has a completely different meaning? I believe that your way of expressing your thoughts creates a situation where it would be fair to say: "if I was not understood, I am to blame."
              1. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 5 August 2013 14: 53 New
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                hi
                So now, what idea do you confirm or refute with your statements?

                I didn’t want to and I don’t want to offend you, colleague, but you, as it seems to me, “jump your thoughts to the tops” without understanding “the depths” of the issue in question ...
                Well, for example, what bothers you before asking a question
                why did you decide that he rephrased the French proverb, which has a completely different meaning?

                having at hand a "smart piece of iron" to figure it out yourself?
              2. V. Salama
                V. Salama 5 August 2013 15: 11 New
                0
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                I didn’t want and do not want to offend you a colleague ...
                Sly, however.
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                Well, for example, what bothers you before asking a question ....
                I do not argue with a "smart piece of iron" (there is a lot of everything in it), but with you, you are a subject - a carrier of needs and goals, and a piece of iron is a means, intentions are alien to her. Moreover, here you are proposing a way of communication, where hidden intentions should color and concretize your thought. This is wrong and dishonest. They would have answered simply - "I found it in a piece of iron", or explained their view. Besides, I see. you do not indulge in whole quotes from sources to cite. Vaguely all this somehow, not in a scientific way, is not it?
              3. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 5 August 2013 15: 55 New
                -1
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                I didn’t want and do not want to offend you a colleague ...

                Sly, however.

                No, I’m ironic and ... I won’t say, or you’ll be insulted, it’s so nice to talk to an intelligent person - you’re an intelligent person, aren't you?
                write reviews on abstracts of applicants for academic degrees, all kinds of research reports ...

                hi
              4. V. Salama
                V. Salama 5 August 2013 16: 42 New
                +2
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                ... it's so nice to talk to a smart person - you're a smart person, right?
                I have average intellectual abilities, which is recorded in the document based on the results of special testing. There are extremely low values ​​for the characteristics of my "multiple intelligences", which was not news to me, but there is something above average. In short, I do not consider myself very smart, but I get angry (and not offended) when they try to hold me for a fool.
                I didn’t appreciate your irony, excuse me. And the fact that "reviews of referents ..." so it was necessary to accept your rules of polemics, in fact, the question we have a conversation with you does not work.
              5. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 5 August 2013 20: 41 New
                +1
                hi Colleague, do not hold me grudge - we are not enemies, but in fact, like-minded people, since we are on this site. Simply, based on personal life experience, everyone has their own style of communication. And wholeheartedly accept my advice, do not take the "local" polemics to heart and very seriously, keep it simple, enjoy communication! Good luck!
  • dustycat
    dustycat 4 August 2013 16: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: V. Salama

    Personally, I did not minus, but this post hooked to impossibility.

    Actually, this VIL quote cites the fact that the level of minimal education of the people needs to be raised to the level of guaranteeing an understanding of the principles of government by every citizen.
    Why did this quote catch you so much?
    1. mehanik27
      mehanik27 4 August 2013 17: 00 New
      +4
      Something like this....
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 5 August 2013 12: 52 New
      0
      Quote: dustycat
      Why did this quote catch you so much?
      Well, if you carefully approach the question, then it was not the "quote" that hooked me, but the "post". There are TWO quotes, one of which (on the poster) is a fraudulent distortion with which the posner-Svanidze-Milechins rush about, washing out the audience's brain. The problem here is serious, from the field of ideological confrontation. The author of the post fell for this bait, but the strange thing is that, unlike these liberals, he also brought her original text. That is, either he did not have malicious intent, or he himself did not understand the meaning of this quote. But are you not thoughtful or am I so bad at expressing my thoughts? Of course it's bad, but not to the same degree ...
  • mehanik27
    mehanik27 4 August 2013 16: 59 New
    +2
    What are you saying)))))
  • Apologet.Ru
    Apologet.Ru 1 August 2013 12: 09 New
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    hi
    Somewhere the day begins and ends with the performance of the anthem of the Country, but somewhere somewhere the first time they hear about it and only individual words are remembered from the Anthem
    The important thing is that IT is now introduced by ORDER and no insinuations in this regard are appropriate.
    The good news is that the era of Mercedes Pasheks and all kinds of other Taburetkins has ended, the period of shameful stagnation of the Victorious Army has ended.
    Thank God that at least in the Army the guys will be instilled with pride in the Ancestors and the history of the Country.
    And there remains the hope that the time spent in the Army, they will not consider opportunities thrown into the wind.
    And for officers the phrase "I HAVE HONOR" will cease to be just a set of grandiloquent words ...

    1. taseka
      taseka 2 August 2013 07: 30 New
      +2
      Apologet.ru - drinks
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 2 August 2013 11: 45 New
        0
        taseka - mutually. colleague - drinks
  • dustycat
    dustycat 4 August 2013 16: 30 New
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    Quote: soldat1945
    I don’t know what kind of bicycle is being invented here. The anthem in our units is performed in the morning on a divorce when the State Flag is hoisted and in the evening when it is descended. News from the category what else to say to the media!

    Does he sing drugs or do they fool around under the record of a fool?
    Shoigu was talking about it.
    Something not one of the old words can remember.
    Although I personally was taught in the second grade.
    The first week of class in the second grade was occupied with this.
    When served, they sang themselves under a brass band. Comrades from Central Asia were taught.
    Although even then the neighboring parts were only fooling around on record.
  • sub307
    sub307 5 August 2013 13: 43 New
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    And the "bike" is like this - "... from now on it will start with performance by military personnel Anthem of Russia. "MILITARY SERVICES should perform, and not as part of units using reproducing devices or an orchestra.
  • Skiff
    Skiff 1 August 2013 09: 13 New
    +4
    It was always with us at the time of my youth.
    1. soldat1945
      soldat1945 1 August 2013 09: 39 New
      +3
      Now everything is just the same if the commander is certainly not a complete anarchist, and I haven’t seen such people in my service, but you can certainly write him off in the history textbook, but the point is that everything is planned in the program of the Public State Training and 6 is assigned to the presentation of military history to the soldiers hours a week, plus on Sunday, watching a military-patriotic film, apparently just the minister himself has not yet deeply delved into this issue!
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 4 August 2013 17: 18 New
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        Quote: soldat1945
        Now everything is the same if the commander is certainly not a complete anarchist,

        Why didn’t the anarchist please you?
        An anarchist, unlike all other democrats and liberals, MUST understand and realize the need to follow certain rules (discipline) in order to call himself an anarchist or wear this title.
        Conscious discipline is stronger and more reliable than any compulsory one.
        There is only one problem - to realize the need for the discipline of drugs, truly competent educators and teachers are needed.
        Starting from kindergarten.
        1. ksan
          ksan 22 September 2013 01: 46 New
          +1
          dustycat (1) SU Aug 4, 2013 17:18 p.m. ↑

          Quote: soldat1945
          Now everything is the same if the commander is certainly not a complete anarchist,

          Why didn’t the anarchist please you?
          An anarchist, unlike all other democrats and liberals, MUST understand and realize the need to follow certain rules (discipline) in order to call himself an anarchist or wear this title.
          Conscious discipline is stronger and more reliable than any compulsory one.
          Anarchism, like communism, is a utopia, a social structure which can be strived for infinity and not when not achieved. The human essence is not perfect and complete Freedom will create chaos hi
  • w.ebdo.g
    w.ebdo.g 1 August 2013 09: 20 New
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    Why is everyone lurking the anthem of Russia? The main thing in this statement is that a unified history textbook will be created.
    Minister Livanov (a clear agent of US influence) simply refused to comply with the president’s order to create a single history textbook, citing the ambiguity of facts and some other nonsense ...
    "to kill patriotism in the citizens of a country, you need to destroy its history" as Bismarck said. In fact, we see that this is happening.
    So the president decided, bypassing the Minister of Education, to create and implement a single textbook. First, the troops, and then the schools will ...
    This is very important for the sovereignty of Russia. This is our story. Our memory ...
    and the title of the article had to be written - "a unified textbook of the history of Russia is being created" (and not about the performance of the anthem)
    I think so.
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 1 August 2013 20: 03 New
      +1
      They are going to send paratroopers to Syria
      http://news.mail.ru/politics/14150561/?frommail=1
      anti-aircraft guns have already been sent to their meeting (re-export from Latin America, judging by the Spanish inscriptions)
      http://telegrafist.org/2013/08/01/76038/
      therefore, we must sing the hymn and correctly explain the experience of the Dnieper landing 43 for history ...
  • Russ69
    Russ69 1 August 2013 09: 38 New
    +5
    Quote: xetai9977
    Have you had this before? And we have about 10 years as the morning begins with the Anthem. And not only in parts, in schools, too.

    In our part, the same thing. Each morning construction and performance of the anthem.
    Even a couple of dogs that hang around the kitchen and they sing along in their own way. smile
    But the fact that the history of the army will still be paired, it’s quite a common idea.
  • SmacXnumx
    SmacXnumx 1 August 2013 10: 06 New
    +7
    At 6.00, the radio began broadcasting with the Anthem of the USSR. I woke up to school under it.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 1 August 2013 10: 58 New
      +8
      Waking up is one thing, but singing - I don't know, on the run, or what? It seems that the morning in the army used to start with exercises. And, by the way, in the GSVG, in the years of its power, the morning began not with the anthem of the USSR, but with the song "And you, an airplane flying off into the distance ..." - the call sign of the radio station "Volga", but on the patriotism of the l / s this is not affected laughing
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 1 August 2013 12: 09 New
      +8
      probably not the topic, but every morning it was still: “Hello guys! Listen to the Pioneer Dawn, every day of God for 66 years.

      I mean that not only the ideological education of adolescents in the USSR, stood at a high level, ruler, exercise, but the time was ....
    3. Containers
      Containers 4 August 2013 14: 53 New
      +3
      I really liked the USSR anthem from a radio point in the kitchen. I also woke up to school for him =)
  • kris
    kris 1 August 2013 10: 55 New
    +9
    I am inclined to ensure that the commanders lead the process of making the so-called "demobilization albums",
    Now the demobilization will be pushed by officers to the production of demobilization albums.
    Ministry of Emergencies- it is in Africa, Ministry of Emergencies!
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 1 August 2013 11: 00 New
      +4
      Yes, more commanders in the army have nothing to do! laughing
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 1 August 2013 11: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: xetai9977
    And not only in parts, in schools, too.

    Well, at school even earlier. The Russian school is fundamentally different from Azerbaijan. There are no clear constructions in the morning, more than half do not know the anthem. It’s funniest when we were given the task of learning the anthem, I learned it, and forgot half on day 3, the Russians are not very But Azerbaijani learned right after that, I remembered it one hundred percent))) Although at that time, Russian was an order of magnitude higher than native.))
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 1 August 2013 11: 30 New
    +2
    maybe even "God save the Tsar to sing ??? (just kidding) but in general I think it's a dubious idea ... it's one thing to listen to the radio in the morning, it's another to yell! Mikhalkov will turn over in his grave ...
    1. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 1 August 2013 12: 04 New
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      hi
      Quote by Andrey Yuryevich (1)
      Mikhalkov will turn over in his grave ...

      Knowing Sergei Vladimirovich Mikhalkov and being in correspondence with him at one time, I am sure that he would just be immensely happy that the time of timelessness had ended ...
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 1 August 2013 14: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        the time of timelessness has ended ...

        Sho! I missed something ?! belay
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 1 August 2013 16: 50 New
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          hi
          Did I miss something?!

          Everything...
      2. Hon
        Hon 1 August 2013 17: 32 New
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        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        that the time of timelessness has ended ...

        In honor of this, Migalkov the youngest will remove the next part of the sun-weary.
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 1 August 2013 18: 11 New
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          hi
          I don’t know fortunately or, unfortunately, request but you, a colleague, have not been given the opportunity to remove either the first part or the subsequent ones ...
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  • w.ebdo.g
    w.ebdo.g 2 August 2013 11: 54 New
    +5
    The American fighter Monson entered the ring in St. Petersburg under the anthem of the USSR.
    The hall was the whole anthem ...
  • Che
    Che 3 August 2013 13: 43 New
    +2
    In any normal country, this is in the order of things, even questions do not arise. This is how it was necessary to spoil everything and slander in order to start all over again and restore sovereignty from the beginning. EBN is a worthy servant of his masters.
  • Edward72
    Edward72 1 August 2013 08: 33 New
    +8
    At the expense of the TV channel Zvezda completely agrees, we must systematically do everything, but nothing will work out from under the stick
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 4 August 2013 17: 24 New
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      Quote: Edward72
      At the expense of the TV channel Zvezda completely agrees, we must systematically do everything, but nothing will work out from under the stick

      Yes, so far the Zvezda channel advertises the armies and armaments of NATO countries more and turns more Western tales about 2MB.
  • PPL
    PPL 1 August 2013 08: 44 New
    +6
    I fully support Shoigu in these endeavors, I hope that today's young soldiers will appreciate this over time.
  • serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 1 August 2013 08: 52 New
    +8
    And here in the PV of the KGB of the USSR, the morning began with a charge. And there wasn’t any morning at the outpost. There is a time for it. And they sang the hymn when it happened, not by order.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 1 August 2013 11: 02 New
      +6
      Quote: serge-68-68
      And in our morning in the KGB of the USSR, the morning began with a charge

      Duc how does the Emergencies Ministry's "general" know about this? laughing
  • Sashkessss
    Sashkessss 1 August 2013 09: 00 New
    +5
    He served in the closed unit 3481 as a conscript. Every morning we had a National Anthem with a flag-raising. Those who did not know the anthem received a hat and taught. So it’s not even a bicycle, it’s just a story for the press saying “I’m Shoigu, I want to educate patriots. I’ll do this and that,” and he doesn’t care that it already exists and has been done more than once before.
    1. alone
      alone 1 August 2013 10: 15 New
      +5
      rather, all this is cheap PR. and in the army there are enough problems in addition to the demobilization albums. And also, remember when Serdyuk was appointed minister of the Tada, there was also a big noise "new minister, new order!" although I like Shoigu, at least because of the work of the Ministry of Emergency Situations
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 1 August 2013 14: 10 New
        0
        hi
        Quote lonely (1)
        remember kada serdyuk appointed tada minister too

        Shoigu was appointed Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation on 6 on November 2012, and today is what date?
        1. alone
          alone 1 August 2013 14: 57 New
          +2
          and he only now realized that, in parts, the anthem of Russia is not performed? as it turns out a long time - almost 9 months
          1. dustycat
            dustycat 4 August 2013 17: 25 New
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            Most likely I got into the part in which they did not.
            And very surprised.
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 1 August 2013 09: 01 New
    +7
    The decision, at first glance, is reasonable ... but if you think about it ... then, perhaps, it is erroneous. Anthem performance - this should be due to a state event (holiday or something like that). Just as it is not customary to recall the name of the Most High in the bustle of the world ... so the performance of the anthem should be a sacred ritual ... when from its performance goosebumps run ... and the soul is filled with a sense of patriotism! Otherwise, it will become commonplace. Like another hit pop. The practice of performing the national anthem before football matches attests to this.
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 1 August 2013 09: 15 New
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    “I ask the commanders and commanders to ensure the performance of the National Anthem of Russia. I instruct every morning in military groups to begin with the performance of the anthem, whatever the servicemen do,” said Shoigu.

    "... we need to prepare such a textbook for the army and introduce it into all military training courses," he said.

    "I am inclined to ensure that the commanders lead the process of making the so-called" demobilization albums "

    I have nothing against the Anthem of Russia and its history, but ...
    I think that all this is just another "excesses" in the process of instilling patriotism. And now will begin "ensuring" performance, "introducing" into the training course, "leading the process of making demobilized albums" ... Plans will be drawn up, then plans for checking the correctness of the conduct, and then plans for eliminating deficiencies. The pitiful semblance of a PPR in the Soviet Army — that's what it is. Those who served at that time remember how the officers and soldiers treated all this. The next stage is clearly visible - taking notes of the speeches of the President and the Ministry of Defense.
    Who watched MO visit Peter yesterday and what was he wearing? Don't you find it funny? Maybe I acted "not patriotic", but I laughed!

    "The minister also stated that the army is facing the problem of drug use."

    I don’t know who and how, but personally I observe this by many decisions, orders and orders of the leadership of the Moscow Region.
    Of course, much has changed for the better, but insanity is growing stronger. We like to rush to "extremes" ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 August 2013 10: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: IRBIS
      Of course, much has changed for the better, but insanity is growing stronger.

      New headquarters form http://twower.livejournal.com/1086044.html
      1. alone
        alone 1 August 2013 13: 52 New
        +3
        Well, how much can you change the form of clothes?)))))))))))))))))
        1. kris
          kris 1 August 2013 14: 06 New
          +3
          Quote: lonely
          Well, how much can you change the form of clothes?)))))))))))))))))

          Well, the loot must be cut !!!
      2. AK-47
        AK-47 1 August 2013 18: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: Spade
        New headquarters uniform

        It seems that all the army problems have been resolved - it’s time to dress up the generals as well.
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 1 August 2013 18: 17 New
          -2
          hi
          First generals, then the rest. But what when it was different?
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 August 2013 19: 40 New
          +5
          That's not the point. There is an everyday form. However, on jackets and shirts, parrot stripes do not look very good. So they introduced a new form like in the Ministry of Emergencies. Interestingly, and on the back there will be an inscription in large letters "MO RUSSIA"? And then suddenly someone confuses ...

          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 2 August 2013 08: 59 New
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            Interestingly, and on the back there will be an inscription in large letters "MO RUSSIA"?

            The main thing is that the photo you submitted does not fall into the eyes of the Moscow Region. The consequences are unpredictable ...
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          4. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 2 August 2013 20: 38 New
            +2
            hi
            And we have a decent answer laughing .
            1. alone
              alone 2 August 2013 21: 39 New
              +3
              ))) I think this king of Africa looks much more modest than this glorious soldier-demobilization))))
              1. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 2 August 2013 22: 30 New
                +1
                hi
                Well, you, a colleague, have found someone to compare with whom! What is, some kind of king, and even African, in comparison with the valiant demobil-rooster laden with sewing troops ...
            2. Che
              Che 3 August 2013 13: 50 New
              +1
              Why did they dig up such a miracle? What tribe comes from? wassat wassat
      3. mehanik27
        mehanik27 4 August 2013 00: 16 New
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        And what, Deniska still writes his near-war opus ????
    2. TRex
      TRex 1 August 2013 14: 26 New
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      I also drew attention to the uniform of the minister and his retinue ... I can imagine - what a commotion there was before this departure ... after all, it is necessary that "everyone, as one", sew all these little things on the chest, on the sleeves, on the caps ( or caps). Bl ... b !!! From extreme to extreme! One of them put on the parade, to ridicule some gray masses, without a single medal, stripe, stars. Another is now making a funny army with an endless number of embroideries .. Soon they will attach a monogram to the ass. Where has he seen this? Who is he studying with? IN AFRICA OR HONDURAS, which one? I saw such crap on one cannibal general, either in Sudan, or in Ethiopia. I don't remember ... Fie on you, clowns!
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 1 August 2013 17: 09 New
        +3
        hi
        Great shape!
        Worthy.
        True, there is nothing new in it.
        Those who served in the Soviet Army remember that the so-called midshipmen were used for everyday uniforms.
        A very convenient alternative to tunics.
        True, in those days, the fabric for their sewing was used more dense than on the new uniform and a shirt with a tie was worn under it.
        And this is just a lightweight version with a T-shirt, according to the latest trends in world military fashion.
        And the stripes on it are quite optimal, and no matter how smaller than on the similar form of the Bundasarmia or the same P. Indostan, besides, as I understand it, almost all of them are now sewn in the studio or fastened with Velcro.

        The only element, in my opinion, that needs to be improved is a headgear, but it’s a matter of time, wearing practice will show the best option - thank God that the army is moving away from these “pinochet” capes with African-style tulles ...
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 2 August 2013 20: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Apologet.Ru
          praise God that the army is moving away from these "pinochet" caps with African-style tulles ...

          But thanks for that, Serdyukov and Yudashkin. However, I think Shoigu and fix it.
          1. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 3 August 2013 00: 59 New
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            hi
            thanks to Serdyukov and Yudashkin

            Embroidered caps with a high top appeared in the Soviet Army (while the best caps were sewn in Tashkent), and in the Russian army they reached their perfection.
            Now, in a new form, the cap of Marshal Zhukov has been taken as a sample ...
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 3 August 2013 10: 11 New
              +2
              When they appeared as atelier products, it was the tenth thing.

              As an element of a military uniform, under Mercedes Pasha, and were canceled under Serdyukov at the suggestion of Yudashkin.

              And Shoigu seems to be returning us to Pasha's parrot times.
            2. dustycat
              dustycat 4 August 2013 17: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Apologet.Ru
              hi
              thanks to Serdyukov and Yudashkin

              Embroidered caps with a high top appeared in the Soviet Army (while the best caps were sewn in Tashkent), and in the Russian army they reached their perfection.
              Now, in a new form, the cap of Marshal Zhukov has been taken as a sample ...

              Sewn in Tashkent were sewn from some terribly stretching fabric.
              And therefore, they could be pulled out very much and given almost any shape.
              Remember in our part in the rim parades, the rim has always been shortened.
              Because of which she looked somewhat saggy and similar to the cap of "sea wolves". It was impossible to throw it out completely - it was possible to get stuck in a patrol for a violation of uniforms and terminate the leave of absence ahead of schedule. Some changed this rim to wire. It was also fraught with problems with the patrol.
              1. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 5 August 2013 01: 13 New
                -1
                hi
                I meant officer caps ...
                1. dustycat
                  dustycat 5 August 2013 20: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Apologet.Ru
                  hi
                  I meant officer caps ...

                  And they were very different from the soldiers ?!
                  Dembel officers were very respected to compromise on demobilization.
          2. cosmos111
            cosmos111 3 August 2013 08: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: Spade

            But thanks for that, Serdyukov and Yudashkin. However, I think Shoigu and this

            It is not necessary to correct and start from the form. But from rethinking, the lesson plan and study for conscripts. Although they learned something in 1 year.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 3 August 2013 10: 09 New
              -1
              Of course not with the form. But Shoigu is not interested
  • Hey
    Hey 1 August 2013 09: 17 New
    +6
    All is correct. Big begins with small. Patriotism must be educated, or someone has other ways of education. Of course, he needs to be brought up from childhood, but the school is now in such a pen, while there is little hope for them. Family is a separate issue here. Individual patriotic organizations and groups fulfill their role, but they are not massive. The army remains so that everything is correct. This topic can be traced back to Shoigu, from his first steps as Minister of Defense, from his return to the parades of the Suvorov and Nakhimov soldiers.
  • Apollo
    1 August 2013 09: 20 New
    +8
    The homeland begins with the Anthem and everyone should know it. A person who does not know the words of the anthem cannot pretend to be a patriot. The Minister does the right thing. good
    1. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 1 August 2013 09: 43 New
      +2
      Ministry of Emergency Situations spun out of the blue and the Army is reanimating.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 August 2013 11: 08 New
        10
        Quote: kavkaz8888
        Ministry of Emergency Situations spun out of the blue


        And what do you think is "level place"?

        The troops of the USSR? A powerful structure with separate mechanized regiments of civil defense in each major city and close to hazardous industries (only 45 regiments of civil defense participated in the liquidation of the Chernobyl accident), with separate automobile regiments, with air squads, with the Moscow school of civil defense, with developed infrastructure-shelters, radiation shelters, warehouses and so on. other.?

        Shoigu being elected Chairman of the "Union of Rescuers" received from Yeltsin everything that remained on the territory of the RSFSR. Not just like that, but for unconditional support in the seizure of power during the Emergency Committee.

        Well, then he is what Marshal Chuykov created for 11 years, cut to the size of the Ministry of Emergencies
        1. alone
          alone 1 August 2013 17: 14 New
          +4
          Yeah!! right however shovels. the place is somehow not very smooth.
      2. 1961NNN
        1961NNN 1 August 2013 11: 18 New
        12
        How he promoted the Emergencies Ministry - we know ... They sit for 12 hours in the main directorates and spend 18-XNUMX hours a video selector with Moscow! One passed, the other began ... and everything seems to be in business ... clever speeches are pushing ... (How many millions tread every day) When Shoigu came to the Moscow region, knowledgeable people said now and we will start a video selector ... and so it happened. The main task was set to all the heads of the Main Directorates in any incident situations, even if the Ministry of Emergency Situations was not involved, to send workers and so that they shine in front of the cameras and show their backs with the inscription "EMERCOM OF RUSSIA." and the Ministry of Internal Affairs who were reassigned to the Ministry of Emergencies and the rescuers on the ground
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 1 August 2013 11: 07 New
      10
      Where does the Motherland begin? And the hymn is just a symbol. If there is nothing behind it, then this is a fiction, like all their "reforms".
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 1 August 2013 13: 54 New
        +6
        Where does the homeland begin?


        (From the film “Shield and Sword”)

        Where does the homeland begin?
        From the picture in your letter,
        With good and faithful comrades,
        Living in a neighboring yard.

        Or maybe it starts
        From the song that our mother sang to us.
        Since in any tests
        We do not take anyone away.

        Where does the homeland begin?
        From the treasured bench at the gate.
        With the same birch tree in the field,
        Under the wind bending, growing.

        Or maybe it starts
        Since the spring funeral of the starling
        And from this road country,
        Which you can not see the end.

        Where does the homeland begin?
        From the burning windows in the distance,
        From the old paternal budenovki,
        That somewhere in the closet we found.

        Or maybe it starts
        From the clatter of car wheels
        And with an oath, which in his youth
        You brought it to your heart.
        What does the homeland begin with? ..

        Poems by M. Matusovsky hi
    3. eagle11
      eagle11 1 August 2013 16: 46 New
      14
      That's just how many years have passed, and when the anthem is played, the words in my head are spinning "Unbreakable Union ..."
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 4 August 2013 17: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: eagle11
        That's just how many years have passed, and when the anthem is played, the words in my head are spinning "Unbreakable Union ..."

        The great Russia has forever cemented itself.
  • sashka
    sashka 1 August 2013 09: 38 New
    +6
    And for MPs and two-headed presidents. Who can sing the Anthem? I doubt that the prime minister or the president knows the text .. ((From "Where does the Motherland begin already" executed ".. A laughing stock ..
  • LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 1 August 2013 10: 06 New
    +2
    Well done Shoigu! Education of a patriotic spirit in the army, and not only that, practice must be mandatory !!!
  • alone
    alone 1 August 2013 10: 12 New
    0
    I don’t believe that in parts in the mornings a hymn is not performed. This cannot be.
    1. military
      military 1 August 2013 12: 59 New
      +5
      Quote: lonely
      I don’t believe that in parts in the mornings a hymn is not performed. This cannot be.

      and why, in fact, only in units? ... military collectives are there also in "institutions" ... or is this category of military patriotism already "over the edge" and they do not need it? ...
      an entertaining picture ... every day, early in the day, the entire staff of the central apparatus (MO + GSh) is grouped in departments and directorates and under the leadership of the generals (and in a narrow circle of "God's chosen" - under the watchful eye of the minister himself) is practicing vocals ...
    2. ksan
      ksan 22 September 2013 02: 00 New
      0
      single (1) AZ August 1, 2013 10:12

      I don’t believe that in parts in the mornings a hymn is not performed. This cannot be.
      I served in 86-88 and in the mornings and evenings the anthem was not obligatory sung, although in the mornings he played from reproducers during the construction.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 August 2013 10: 22 New
    +1
    spiritual, moral and patriotic education of military personnel.
    I think the essence of this undertaking is to sort it all out precisely at the state level (as it was under the USSR). It’s a necessary thing and especially the control of drug addicts in the Army ..
  • gura
    gura 1 August 2013 10: 36 New
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    From Minsk. The Tuvan "partisan" Shoigu, who has not served a single day, is hung with tsatski according to "I can’t do the most," now with footcloths, sometimes with a hymn. Maybe he doesn't know what to do? Our Commander-in-Chief also has a "Pinochet's cap", and he honestly earned the officer's rank, in the border troops, it is true, it is not clear what, but the brains do not seem to mess up ... the army men are on trifles. Soon your Minister of Health of the Russian Federation, an accountant by profession, will make doctors recite the Hippocratic Oath before work! And the policemen will sing in chorus "if someone, in some places, we have, sometimes, honestly does not want to live ...". And the consecration of various weapons? I don’t know how it sounds to you - the priest of the Russian Orthodox Church blessed the Satan rocket! For me - a complete paragraph! Measure is needed in everything. And the performance of the anthem is a solemn thing! Performing in a hurry, every day, especially in bad weather, will turn into an ordinary obligation - if only to the cafeteria!
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 1 August 2013 11: 11 New
      +9
      That's right! Patriotism is not to be imposed; it is brought up. And not from the age of 18.
    2. Volkhov
      Volkhov 1 August 2013 13: 50 New
      +7
      This hysteria and panic at the top - a continuation of the initiative in stocking flags and coffins - their policy of unleashing a war with inability to fight and technical backwardness requires many songs.
    3. Gato
      Gato 1 August 2013 13: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: gura
      Our Chief Commander also has a "Pinochet's cap"

      Our "enterprises" will have more. The trend is however: the smaller the army, the larger the cap.
    4. kris
      kris 1 August 2013 14: 21 New
      +7
      Quote: gura
      I don’t know how it sounds to you - the priest of the Russian Orthodox Church blessed the Satan rocket! For me - a complete paragraph!

      The Russian Orthodox Church demolishes the roof from permissiveness.
      They and Neptune want to ban the celebration of Navy Day.
      And the property is being squeezed in the regions.
  • Fire
    Fire 1 August 2013 10: 36 New
    0
    Patriots need to be educated, this adds confidence in themselves and in the future. Today there are few patriots.
  • alone
    alone 1 August 2013 11: 04 New
    +5
    patriots are not brought up like that! You must educate yourself first (this applies to those who are at the top)
  • vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 1 August 2013 11: 14 New
    +9
    In the Soviet Army, they began to sing the anthem before the collapse of the USSR, and then only at general regimental evening checks. Can you imagine when officers and warrant officers, who are so few at home, are brought to the regiment by 22.00 for evening verification and the performance of the anthem? The current who came up with this calculated well. The negative to this "patriotic" event was excellent. And all this is from seemingly "good" intentions. Patriotic education does not begin in the army. It should start from kindergarten, school. And already fully formed young men with their own views and worldview come to the army. And here patriotic education should only deepen.
    Or service, as in the Red Army, for at least three years. Then you can teach not only patriotism but also teach literacy. Raising a patriot in a year is a utopia. Then the commanders, as always, will begin to "bend" the personnel on the subject of knowledge of words. Competitions will begin between the divisions for the best performance of the anthem and the associated drill with the removal of personal time. That will be all in reverse. For any violence causes negative reactions in a person.
  • rauffg
    rauffg 1 August 2013 11: 16 New
    +1
    in 1999, when the hymn was called in, there was rather music, there were no words. Let them sing, maybe they will love their homeland more. soldier
  • KEKS44
    KEKS44 1 August 2013 11: 23 New
    +2
    The morning in parts should begin with normal physical. charging. And the Anthem is performed on the morning divorce and on the evening calibration!
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 4 August 2013 17: 46 New
      0
      Quote: KEKS44
      The morning in parts should begin with normal physical. charging. And the Anthem is performed on the morning divorce and on the evening calibration!

      Anthem performance before exercise is generally a very useful breathing exercise.
      The Arimia of China do this. As part of Wushu gymnastics.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 4 August 2013 19: 39 New
        0
        Quote: dustycat
        Anthem performance before exercise is generally a very useful breathing exercise.

        And if you consider that a normal person really wakes up only when he runs? And before that, half asleep: bed - throw back the blankets - toilet - chair with a form - formation in front of the entrance to the barracks - "Running march"
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 5 August 2013 20: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: dustycat
          Anthem performance before exercise is generally a very useful breathing exercise.

          And if you consider that a normal person really wakes up only when he runs? And before that, half asleep: bed - throw back the blankets - toilet - chair with a form - formation in front of the entrance to the barracks - "Running march"

          And you try.
          The result may surprise you.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 5 August 2013 20: 55 New
            +1
            Even running smoking will not surprise me.

            But the performance of the anthem before charging will probably make me laugh harder. You can execute it in a gas mask. Also very strongly develops patriotism.
  • Suhov
    Suhov 1 August 2013 11: 25 New
    20
    Adventures of the brave soldier Schweik.
    - Lie down quietly and do not think to worry. Tomorrow I will visit you.
    The next day, the doctor came again and inquired in the kitchen by Mrs. Mullerova how the patient was feeling.
    “Worse for him, Mr. Doctor,” answered Ms. Mullerova with sincere sadness.
    - At night, when his rheumatism twisted, he sang, so to speak, the Austrian anthem.

    Dr. Pavek considered it necessary to respond to this new manifestation of patient loyalty with an increased dose of bromine. On the third day, Ms. Mullerova reported to the doctor that Schweik was even worse.
    - After lunch, Mr. Doctor, he sent for a map of hostilities, and at night raved that Austria would win.
    “Does it take powders exactly as prescribed?”
    “He hasn't sent for them yet, pan doctor.”
    laughing
    1. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 1 August 2013 11: 58 New
      +7
      Quote: Sukhov
      “Does he take the powders exactly as prescribed?” “He hasn’t sent for them yet, pan doctor.

      Five points, comrade SUKHOV! That's what it means to re-read classics sometimes! And then in the worldly bustle ... in front of the TV and laptop and good literature they forgot ...
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  • Naval
    Naval 1 August 2013 11: 35 New
    +3
    You need to learn and sing the anthem from school, as well as start all sporting events with the anthem. Only then will it be natural and organic, and not look like something ostentatious.
  • dmb
    dmb 1 August 2013 11: 50 New
    +9
    Very similar to the "Inhabited Island" of the Strugatskys. Only there the hymn was sung under the influence of the field, and here under the influence of the "manifested wisdom of the chief." To sing you have to believe in what you sing, otherwise it is not a hymn, but a ditty. However, there is no doubt: "Who served in the army, in the circus does not laugh" - folk art will quickly pick up new words for this action. The depth of thought of the commanding authority was most vividly reflected in the phrase: "whatever they do." So I see this impressive picture: a singing sentry, or a deminer at mine clearance, a hospital ward, and hydroacoustics during a military campaign. The general's uniform was also pleased. Very, very colorful. About the same was worn by the emperor Bokassa, who had a habit of eating his subjects, and the Kabardian traffic cops.
    1. Gato
      Gato 1 August 2013 14: 58 New
      +9
      Quote: dmb
      To sing you have to believe in what you sing, otherwise it is not a hymn, but a ditty. However, there is no doubt: "Who served in the army does not laugh in the circus"

      I still remember the performance of the anthem of the USSR by quarantine, which consists entirely of persons of a completely non-Russian nationality, caught somewhere in the foothills of the Pamirs. That was the vocals! The whole battalion rode the parade ground in hysteria.
  • gura
    gura 1 August 2013 11: 59 New
    13
    From Minsk. And about the demob album - that's a song! So I imagine - fighters are sitting in orderly rows, drawing, writing, painting in uniform albums numbered like secret notebooks. Strict, but very fair commanders walk between the tables and encourage l \ s - "Private Ivanov! What kind of pornography are you drawing ?! Take an example from Corporal Petrov, he pastes in the album photos of State Duma deputies! Well done!" When I served in the SA, there was no such insanity, even with a bunch of Komsomol members, party organizers, political leaders!
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 4 August 2013 17: 51 New
      0
      Quote: gura
      From Minsk. And about the demobilization album - finally a song! So I imagine - the fighters are sitting in orderly rows, they are drawing, writing, painting something in single albums, numbered like secret notebooks. Between

      And when perfumes were stolen at night these albums and sewed demobels - is it better in your opinion?
      If it is impossible to eradicate, then it is necessary to streamline.
      It is in the spirit of quality management.
      1. mehanik27
        mehanik27 4 August 2013 18: 09 New
        0
        A good grandfather doesn’t trust the album and the spirit of parade, a very responsible question ....
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 5 August 2013 20: 46 New
          0
          Quote: mehanik27
          A good grandfather doesn’t trust the album and the spirit of parade, a very responsible question ....

          A good money trip is worth it.
          And the spirit can be changed from the standard for free.
          With the album, the same procedure - to do it yourself - p__dopar shaw without you.
          And so he broke the line on the cumpole - he rustles.
          Did poorly - on the cumpole and redo.
  • Sochi
    Sochi 1 August 2013 12: 01 New
    +3
    In this sense, the performance of the anthem is a wonderful tradition among the navy, raising the flag every morning. Here is what to introduce in parts under the performance of the Hymnan on a morning divorce. And the day should start with physo.
    Regarding demobilization albums, special control is not needed, just the part should be prepared, possibly in the printing house, albums with the history of the part, with photos about the description, at a reasonable price the fighter will buy it and he will finalize it himself. Such an album in itself is patriotic education.
    A short history of the history of the armed forces is a good deed. It is very necessary, otherwise God knows that at school ...
    Drugs - there is a military prosecutor’s office, that’s how to tear her like a goat’s goat, and shoot prosecutors for every case of drugs allowed in the unit. It is necessary to work, and not to sit in a warm chair ...
    A film studio ... it’s also necessary, only the army channel itself has long been in the news about the army ...
    1. Gato
      Gato 1 August 2013 14: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: Sochi
      Such an album in itself is patriotic education.

      I don’t know how it is now - maybe there is patriotic education in the albums.
      In the SA (DMB-88) patriotism was not worth a penny. More banter and desire to show off. The Zampolitans and Specialists fought the albums mercilessly, but without success. Apparently, a decision was made: if the phenomenon cannot be overcome, it must be headed.
      As if by this principle did not begin to fight with drugs negative
      1. Sochi
        Sochi 1 August 2013 14: 33 New
        +5
        my album burned down in the stoker ... The battalion’s deputy politician wanted to break, and I carried it into the furnace and threw it in front of him. The banter there was easy, just the pictures were unregistered, and the authorities distorted it ... I grew up in the garrison, and I saw demobilization albums immeasurably, in principle they all MEMORY about the years of service, and everyone was very proud of them.
        1. Gato
          Gato 1 August 2013 14: 47 New
          +5
          Quote: Sochi
          The deputy battalion wanted to break

          Similarly! Only he didn’t find him, because I poked him behind a safe in the office of the political officer (in the second year a day later he took up the battalion’s uniform, so I had the keys to all the offices, except for dates and secret cards). And he took it to a demobilization through a bread truck - before sending us, the political officer with a special officer shmonali with special cynicism.
      2. Suhov
        Suhov 1 August 2013 17: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: Gato
        if the phenomenon cannot be overcome, it must be headed.
        As if by this principle did not begin to fight with drugs

        good
        As before with drunkenness:
        The more Komsomolets drink,
        the less the bully will drink!

        laughing
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 1 August 2013 12: 02 New
    +3
    Quote: Spade
    New headquarters uniform

    ... this "new headquarters uniform" was worn by our "combat crews" when taking over from the 80s ... though the fabric was somewhat simpler ...
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 1 August 2013 12: 03 New
    +7
    "I am inclined to believe that the commanders lead the process of making the so-called" demobilization albums ", since each military unit has its own history" - well, this is how to call it more decently, eh? Will you add an hour for sculpting and applique work to your daily routine? Will it come to posting photos on Instagram?
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 1 August 2013 12: 10 New
    0
    And they forced us. And I sang the Soviet anthem)))
    1. Gato
      Gato 1 August 2013 14: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: leon-iv
      And they forced us. And I sang the Soviet anthem

      And me too. But not every day, but only on constructions about public holidays.
    2. Suhov
      Suhov 1 August 2013 17: 31 New
      +7
      Quote: leon-iv
      And they forced us. And I sang the Soviet anthem)))

      The anthem of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was so driven into the head,
      that there is no room for a new text, the anthem of the Russian Federation.
      I just can’t remember him ...
      Like a jaded record
      constantly jumping to the old one.
      laughing
  • deman73
    deman73 1 August 2013 12: 13 New
    +2
    Once upon a time it was time to do this, and not only in the army, but we must start with the school line at school and our citizens should hang national flags on their homes and be proud of it
    1. gura
      gura 1 August 2013 12: 22 New
      +3
      These flags will look especially beautiful over a huge number of barracks, huts and other emergency housing, in dying cities, towns, and villages of the Russian province. Russia is not only Moscow and regional centers. First, you need to give the people a decent life, and then over new houses, factories, farms, hang flags of the state, which spends on "social services" not a miserable 12%, as now, but at least 28% like the United States, or 31%, like in Europe ...
  • V. Salama
    V. Salama 1 August 2013 12: 53 New
    +6
    "I wanted the best, but it turned out as always." What else to add? Upbringing is the formation of qualities in the educated person in accordance with the goals of the educator. What is the goal here - the formation of patriotism? The achievement of any goal requires a means commensurate with it in terms of necessity and sufficiency. What is this remedy? - the performance of the Anthem? Will it make the Motherland love? This is the whole EMERCOM and Shoigu, in particular - all the "steam in the whistle" and only crumbs for the cause. Actually, the desire to sing the Anthem arises from love for the Motherland. Strange logic - "if a happy person sings, then to make him happy you need to make him sing." Upbringing, not even a citizen, but just a patriot, is the widest range of measures implemented by the family, society and the state. And it's not worth any education if the values ​​that are instilled do not find confirmation in life. No wonder they say: "life is the best educator." In the army, the formation of a soldier's love for the Motherland begins with the quality of sauerkraut in the dining room, from how the soldier is provided with everything he needs, to order in the barracks and the vehicle fleet, in particular. And most importantly, it is difficult to educate a patriot and it is impossible to educate a citizen in the absence of an official ideology. The Chinese have a proverb: "Anyone who does not understand the meaning will spend the efforts of nine bulls and will not get the desired result." So it's not even about us. It seems to me that we do not understand the meaning and we are making fake efforts.
  • Alexey M
    Alexey M 1 August 2013 12: 56 New
    +5
    It is necessary to properly accustom to patriotism. As in the states the anthem began to play everyone stood up.
    If we do not love and respect our Motherland, then we will be forced to love and respect someone else's.
  • Xoxoxnumxun
    Xoxoxnumxun 1 August 2013 13: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: soldat1945
    Now everything is just the same if the commander is certainly not a complete anarchist, and I haven’t seen such people in my service, but you can certainly write him off in the history textbook, but the point is that everything is planned in the program of the Public State Training and 6 is assigned to the presentation of military history to the soldiers hours a week, plus on Sunday, watching a military-patriotic film, apparently just the minister himself has not yet deeply delved into this issue!


    1. When he served in school, the anthem was always performed. I got into the troops, I can count on my fingers how many times in the morning I heard the anthem. And I was not alone in such a unit. There are many such parts. Basically they are not big.
    2. The program of public-state training in many parts takes place formally or simply is not carried out. Signed notes - and in the folder.

    So IMHO the minister in the subject.
    1. Radioman
      Radioman 1 August 2013 15: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: Xoxo4un
      The program of public-state training in many parts takes place formally or simply is not carried out. Signed notes - and in the folder.


      The most stupid and worthless thing, like all the Zampolitovskaya rubbish. Therefore, the attitude to this subject in the troops is, although it is considered one of the main.
  • Radioman
    Radioman 1 August 2013 13: 31 New
    +4
    People, here the key word is "I instruct that every morning in military collectives begin with the performance of the anthem, whatever the military does". That is, you write everything correctly about divorces. Here you will also have to sing in the morning on duty and on guard.
    1. gura
      gura 1 August 2013 15: 52 New
      +9
      "I instruct that every morning in the military collectives begin with the performance of the anthem, no matter what the military personnel do"- he read it carefully three times! Did he blur out with a hangover? Okay, the orderly on the" bedside table "is pouring like a nightingale! And on guard? And when cleaning shocks, at some distant outpost, where there are no servants? Do they paint grass? Are they on duty at the food block? Do you have any household work? But all the same, the brains go to one side from the number of options for the places where the Anthem is performed!
      And what about the fact that the great shaman Shoigu, the Ministry of Emergency Situations from the other world extracted and made candy? Come to your senses! Find in the search engines about the Ministry of Civil Defense of the USSR (civil defense). You will faint from the numbers of personnel and equipment, buildings, schools, airfields and so on and so forth. State within a state. So you don't need songs about yourself, yourself. Again, the "pseudo-frame policy" of the Supreme, what he thinks, is not clear. Or maybe he doesn't think already? People are eating? Oh well!
    2. Pamir210
      Pamir210 3 August 2013 09: 01 New
      +2
      here his order comes into direct conflict with the GKS charter.
      It clearly and clearly states that the sentry at the post is prohibited, including singing)
  • Navy7981
    Navy7981 1 August 2013 13: 35 New
    +6
    The thing is certainly correct, but there is one BUT. This is possible subjectively and I consider the music of Aleksanodrov close to ingenious, and our anthem is almost sacred to me, but if I have to listen to it every day, the perception of it, precisely as music (and not a hymn), to put it mildly, will be ambiguous. Well, maybe I'm wrong.
  • Dozor
    Dozor 1 August 2013 14: 48 New
    +2
    My opinion is:
    Tired of it all, every day the same thing!
    2-3 times a week, where it didn’t go, but every day, this is no longer an anthem, but something ordinary, ordinary.
  • KEKS44
    KEKS44 1 August 2013 14: 52 New
    0
    Did you sing the anthem in the Soviet army?
    1. servant.
      servant. 1 August 2013 19: 16 New
      +5
      No, only when intervening on the BD. And there were no problems with patriotism. What kind of patriotism are we talking about with such a stratification of society? What is the social composition of the army?
  • valokordin
    valokordin 1 August 2013 17: 35 New
    +3
    The anthem of Russia is great and also "God Save the Tsar (President)" and "If our Lord is glorious in Zion."
  • viazma
    viazma 1 August 2013 17: 53 New
    0
    It’s better to listen to evening verification) It’s better to postpone.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 August 2013 19: 57 New
      +1
      In theory, the general regiment evening should have a hymn. There is no one to play.
      1. KEKS44
        KEKS44 2 August 2013 06: 54 New
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        On Mondays, on general regimental calibrations, muses were put on the parade ground. Centre. Sometimes the regimental orchestra played music.
  • waisson
    waisson 1 August 2013 19: 28 New
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    shame, I thought in the army as before, in the morning, the anthem divorce, a mandatory viewing of the news program, and it turns out in the morning, Vitas, and instead of news, house 2 there are no words ep .................... some senses who protects us who is at the helm of the army what patriotism
  • 937.195.71
    937.195.71 1 August 2013 20: 30 New
    +1
    a hymn and news, a fighter cannot be without it, we had it like this before, and demobilization albums are within reasonable limits, why not
  • PACIFIST
    PACIFIST 1 August 2013 23: 07 New
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    About the education of patriotism, you need to start educating parents in kindergartens and at home. And the knowledge of the anthem and its singing in the morning is the education of patriotism ??? I don’t know the percentage of deviators and how many people went into the army, although they’re definitely not patriots from singing the anthem will become. My opinion should go to the Army with patriotic education, and not like a dumb type to serve one year without knowing why
  • michajlo
    michajlo 1 August 2013 23: 23 New
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    Quote: valokordin
    The anthem of Russia is great and also "God Save the Tsar (President)" and "If our Lord is glorious in Zion."

    Good evening everyone!
    good drinks
  • samosa4.11.90
    samosa4.11.90 2 August 2013 00: 49 New
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    Have you forgotten about cartoons? And there will be after the anthem on the run - decorating demob albums with pasting pictures cut from the textbooks of the history of the army, then a "war" film in the style of "inhabited island" and the apotheosis - these are military cartoons after the fight against drugs. Yeah, well, it kicked me. Smiles got stuck
  • Massik
    Massik 2 August 2013 01: 21 New
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    The Minister also gave a number of other instructions. In particular, he instructed to compile a list of mandatory books for military-patriotic topics for military personnel to read.
    Also, go and read them.
    The minister recalled that "every self-respecting conscript" prepares a so-called "demobilization album" in preparation for dismissal from the Armed Forces. "I am inclined to ensure that the commanders take the lead in the production of the so-called 'demobilization albums', since each military unit has its own history."
    Here, of course, you bent a friend, now all the photos are immediately "in contact" by comrades soldaten, they just need to be given "nafotkatsya" in the field with weapons and equipment so that they do not do this in outfits and guards ... That's what I am from the army I didn’t cut it off in 2009 and didn’t go in 2013 there was an opportunity, I would have got to the resort.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 2 August 2013 08: 55 New
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    business says! and all that was necessary was to replace the Minister of Defense! With regards to the Anthem and knowledge of the History Well done! It is high time!
    but how in the film "STORIES" the young lady confuses the roofing felts 1 world roofing felts the second and 500 thousand people died in it, it seems.
    Tin! the soldier must know the story - so as not to make such mistakes in the future!
  • Staryj soldat
    Staryj soldat 2 August 2013 10: 00 New
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    This once again suggests that everyone should do their own thing.
    In civilized countries, the Minister of Defense is a civilian (there is even a woman - horror!), He is engaged in the defense of the country, military policy, military-industrial complex, construction and providing the Armed Forces with everything necessary. From the outside (by the will of fate, unfortunately, not in Russia), it seems that yours is doing well with this. And internal army issues - the General Staff. Then the soldier, who is standing at the post or scoring a point, will not have to sing anything, and the company commander, instead of drawing albums, will be able to run home for a couple of hours to find out if anyone was born to him.
  • sasha1973
    sasha1973 2 August 2013 10: 03 New
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    Of all the comments, the most adequate in gura (2) probably really served. good
  • Doznanied
    Doznanied 2 August 2013 14: 12 New
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    Shoigu is not well versed in PR technology. Under him, the Ministry of Emergencies was created, and the creation of the Ministry of Emergencies was accompanied by its constant popularization in the media. For each negative remark about the Ministry of Emergencies, the media gave not only a refutation, but also 10 publications about the exploits of heroes-rescuers. The authority of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, so to speak, is corrupted by many scandals, and so Shoigu is now engaged in the same PR technologies. Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, at least in the media it will soon be cooler than all departments, that's for sure.
    1. alone
      alone 3 August 2013 09: 45 New
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      We have already discussed here how the Ministry of Emergencies was created. The Ministry of Emergencies was created on the basis of the troops of the USSR Civil Defense Department and the fire department of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs. everything has already been created. These services simply connected and turned out to be the Ministry of Emergencies.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 August 2013 10: 13 New
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      How is it in Pikul's "I Have the Honor"? "Better to be than to seem"(with)
    3. mehanik27
      mehanik27 4 August 2013 00: 33 New
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      Sergey Kuzhugetovich, how many logins do you have here ????
  • Indifferent
    Indifferent 2 August 2013 15: 01 New
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    In the USSR, at 6 o'clock in the morning, with the beginning of radio broadcasts, a hymn was played on the radiotelephone. But no one tried to sing it along with the radio channel. A man would be mistaken for abnormal. And now the military will begin to sing! Eyes torn and eat! Loudly and selflessly!
    Interestingly, right in the bed or later? Immediately, at the command "Roth up!" or while exercising? If I were a minister, I would organize going to bed with a hymn. So what? Almost like Kim Jong Un's!
    Patriotism is not brought up by singing hymns in the morning. Professor Preobrazhensky spoke very well about singing in chorus in "Heart of a Dog". Patriotism begins with "Pictures in their own primer" ...
  • Pamir210
    Pamir210 3 August 2013 08: 43 New
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    Quote: Spade
    Shoigu is simply not aware that in the morning divorces occur in parts

    where did he know something to be ..? he did not serve a day in the army)
  • DmitriRazumov
    DmitriRazumov 3 August 2013 10: 41 New
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    Quote: Pamir210
    Quote: Spade
    Shoigu is simply not aware that in the morning divorces occur in parts

    where did he know something to be ..? he did not serve a day in the army)

    I agree. In general, the Charter of the Internal Service of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation clearly defines when a l / s anthem is performed. This happens during the holidays and state celebrations in the evening. if you perform the anthem in the morning, firstly, it will take time from physical exercises, restoring order, and morning inspection. are provided for in the daily routine, and its violation is a gross violation of military discipline. Secondly, it is not difficult for someone who has served to imagine how 100 or more sips of sleep will be screamed without waking up in a different anthem ... Not the upbringing of patriotism - but mockery at the anthem ...
    1. alone
      alone 3 August 2013 11: 54 New
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      dear, so that everything that you wrote in your commentary should be known, at least you should serve, you should know this firsthand. But the MoD did not serve. How did he know about this?