Shoigu instructed to reduce the development time of military robots twice

Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu ordered on Wednesday to halve all existing deadlines for the implementation of programs for the development of military robots.

“We say today: we are ready to buy - give it, but make it faster. But the feeling that they (the developers) savor this work. We have terms - 17, 18, 20. Well, how is it possible? "- said the Minister, RIA"News».

According to him, all programs for the development of military robotics need to be adjusted in time "about two times." Who would not agree with the tightening of time, so it is necessary to stop work, said Shoigu.

All over the world, they are now being used and actively used in armed conflicts over 27 thousand robots, said Deputy Minister Colonel-General Oleg Ostapenko who made the report.

According to him, in the US armed forces it is planned to bring the share of unmanned vehicles to 2020% of the total number of combat vehicles by 30.

Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu acknowledged that unmanned aerial vehicles being developed for the Ministry of Defense, ground-based robotic systems and uninhabited underwater vehicles are inferior to foreign analogues.

The deadlines for the implementation of the planned works, according to the minister, are often violated, the quality of the supplied products is reduced. First of all, Shoigu explained, this is due to the “technological backwardness of enterprises, weak organization of the fulfillment of state contracts, lack of qualified personnel”.

Back in November last year, information appeared about the beginning of the development of a combat robot control system in Russia. Engineers began to create control systems for groups of robots that are capable of including various types of weapons, a source at the St. Petersburg Central Research Institute of Robotics and Technical Cybernetics reported.

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[Edward72]

To this I can say one thing, either quickly or efficiently

[ziqzaq]

Quote: Edward72

To this I can say one thing, either quickly or efficiently

Under Joseph Vissarionovich, they did both quickly and efficiently, and ahead of the world level .......

[Sashkessss]

Quote: ziqzaq

Under Joseph Vissarionovich, they did both quickly and efficiently, and ahead of the world level .......

Especially they took their own achievements from the French (See T-18). Everything was done quickly and efficiently during the five-year period - yes, there was so strong agitation that the five-year plan actually closed in three years.

[cosmos111]

Shoigu instructed to reduce the development time of military robots twice

It would be better if he instructed to reduce the development time by 2 times the MBT ,, Armata, BMP ,, Kurganets-25, and BTR ,, Boomerang ,,.
And the tag is the creation of shock UAVs.

[Apologet.Ru]

We are waiting for the good times since now calls are beginning to sound - Everything for the front, everything for the Victory ...

[rolik]

Quote: Apologet.Ru

We are waiting for the good times since now calls are beginning to sound - Everything for the front, everything for the Victory ...

Well, as you wanted. Mattress covers with European rear wheel drive feel very sad. And if they are pressed to the extreme, they will stop at nothing. So we need to stop them with something. And this was something that had to be done yesterday, "and not tomorrow. Therefore, hurry up and hurry, the time for the races has already passed.

[APASUS]

Quote: cosmos111

It would be better if he instructed to reduce the development time by 2 times the MBT ,, Armata, BMP ,, Kurganets-25, and BTR ,, Boomerang ,,. And the tag is the creation of shock UAVs.

I can’t say about this technique, but I know people who worked with Shoigu during the Ministry of Emergencies. He is very knowledgeable in computer technology, selects the latest news, and is not afraid of modern technology as our official.

[Nick]

Quote: cosmos111

And the tag is the creation of shock UAV

UAVs are also robots ...

[Edward72]

Well, you said. So I remembered one phrase from the song .- "Would you try to make a matryoshka b..I from Stalin."

[sania0413]

... or were dying ...

[Alez]

Under Joseph, they did everything - industry, science, children. And now it seems that we do not produce anything except embezzlers.

[rolik]

Quote: ziqzaq

Under Joseph Vissarionovich, they did both quickly and efficiently, and ahead of the world level

So they got out our years under the control of the tagged and the drunk. Twenty-odd years is a long time, and now we need to catch up at an accelerated pace. It’s hard to catch up, because everyone has already begun to get used to working not in a hurry.

[dustycat]

Quote: rolik

So they got out our years under the control of the tagged and the drunk. Twenty-odd years is a long time, and now we need to catch up at an accelerated pace. It’s hard to catch up, because everyone has already begun to get used to working not in a hurry.

And who else gave 37 years old?
The collapse of the USSR began with the drive to power of Khrushchev.

[Roman_999]

Russia is only part of what was the Greatest Empire in the World, do not forget it .... But Russia will always have a chance, We, like the Phoenix Bird, always rising from the ashes again and again and making it better and more beautiful, it will be so now ... because it was so eternal.

[AVV]

Whoever wants to enter the market first must do it quickly and efficiently, then MO said !!!

[alone]

so it's time to decide! or quickly or efficiently !! somehow sounds like "the economy must be economical!"

[Russ69]

Quote: Edward72

To this I can say one thing, either quickly or efficiently

Unfortunately, neither one nor the other.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Edward72

either quickly or efficiently

Under one condition. Do not sit on the site (s) during business hours, but perform assigned work. The exception is non-working pensioners and people with disabilities.

[Edward72]

If this is a hint of me, then I repeat. I said to one person yesterday that there is such a thing as a vacation

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Edward72

Yesterday I told one person, there is such a thing as a vacation

Vacation has a bad habit of ending. A good specialist and during the holidays work does not go out of my head.

[military]

Quote: Hedgehog

Vacation has a bad habit of ending. A good specialist and during the holidays work does not go out of my head.

it doesn’t go away from a bad specialist, but a good specialist rests calmly ...

[dustycat]

Quote: military

it doesn’t go away from a bad specialist, but a good specialist rests calmly ...

...at work.

[Pablo_K]

Just a bad specialist during the holidays no one bothers, and a good one sometimes turns off the phone so that he would not be bothered.
You +

[Ezhaak]

Thank you for understanding. Now it is very rare.

[Anatolich]

mobile communication is tin, work gets out sometimes even on weekends there is no peace

[Anatolich]

+ to you and from me

[kris]

Another talker showed up!
Rogozin choked.

[military]

Quote: kris

Another talker showed up!

"scientific companies" to help him ...

[PPL]

They didn’t take fishing - that’s it.

[Edward]

Everything is simpler:
while some are resting, someone should work)

Quote: military

it doesn’t go away from a bad specialist, but a good specialist rests calmly ..

Quote: Hedgehog

Thank you for understanding. Now it’s a rarity

I will inform you even more rare!
If "you" (you are in quotation marks, that is, as a generalization, and not specifically YOU), take a break from work - then this is not your job!
Or more simply, according to the popular saying: "Your burden does not carry."

Calling so to speak!

[Anatolich]

I don’t agree, if your work is directly related to the management of a large number of people, well, like mine (I’m a foreman at a construction site) then it can be very tiring, who worked knows

[Edward]

Quote: Anatolich

I don’t agree, if your work is directly related to the management of a large number of people, well, like mine (I’m a foreman at a construction site) then it can be very tiring, who worked knows

Anatolich, you may be a good, but stupid person.
For in Russian your words are: "YOUR WEAR - DOES NOT PUSH".
Believe me, not everyone is given the opportunity to understand this simple Russian-folk truth. :)

[sapsan14]

Good afternoon!
And why not 2,5 times? Or 3?
I think that if the minister said that 10 times faster, tomorrow there would be UAVs in all parts.
It would be better not to say, but to do.

[military]

there is such a concept - "the instinct of self-preservation" ... and it is by no means alien to the new minister ... so far all the slop is poured out on his predecessor ... but it will not be like this forever ... and then they will turn their eyes to the successor ... but this is already fraught with a good apercut on personal image ...

[S_mirnov]

"We say today: we are ready to buy - give, but do it faster." It looks like the little man thinks that money is omnipotent!

[LaGlobal]

Yesterday I watched this very reportage on the ZVEZDA channel. The hint, it seems to me, was understood by the designers.

And yet, it is a pity that Shoigu does not have the proper support from above.

[Edward72]

There is a roof in the person of the president, but from below the trouble is either they don’t want or cannot. Although the Kulibins and Left-Handers have always been enough in Russia

[S_mirnov]

"There is a roof in the face of the president" That's exactly what the roof is! Chubais has a roof, Serdyukov has a roof! "Gangster Petersburg", on! not a country.
Does Shoigu think that if you give the loot, then the robots themselves pop out from under the ground? Research institutes and institutes have broken up, and now they are sincerely surprised?

[LaGlobal]

Quote: S_mirnov

Research institutes and institutes have broken up, and now they are sincerely surprised?

just don’t need to dump all the bad sheep for one person, without whom, to my great regret, nothing is solved on the spot! It’s a pity that not everyone is so honest ..

[Fire]

The most important thing is that these pieces of iron do not go crazy later ...

[Aryan]

the main thing is that the trouble with the arlikon in South Africa is not repeated
http://www.popmech.ru/article/2570-kosilschik/

[dustycat]

Quote: Aryan

the main thing is that the trouble with the arlikon in South Africa is not repeated
http://www.popmech.ru/article/2570-kosilschik/

"During the exercise, the weapon" got out of control "several times, and as a result, it had to be fixed by hand, using metal fasteners and a cable."

Again without a knife switch blinded.
And they did not write about the terminal from the battery in the instructions.
And about pulling out the fusible inserts .. oh yes ... the smoother, fusible inserts are still in Russian technology.
And they did not write about the connectors in the instructions.
Poor guys.
But it was definitely supposed to be written about defusing clips!

[ankh-andrej]

The deadlines for the implementation of the planned works, according to the minister, are often violated, the quality of the supplied products is reduced. First of all, Shoigu explained, this is due to the “technological backwardness of enterprises, weak organization of the fulfillment of state contracts, lack of qualified personnel”.

This is the main reason. And to equip production with qualified personnel is a difficult task today. At least I don’t see what is being done for this. So wanting is not harmful ...

[Ezhaak]

Quote: ankh-andrej

And to equip production with qualified personnel is a difficult task today.

It is precisely for this reason that today the theme of the employment of graduates of universities, from the budget category, to enterprises, under a contract, for a specific term, is developing. Will be able to show their abilities

[ankh-andrej]

Let's see what happens. From my point of view, it is necessary not to "drive" young specialists into distribution, but to create decent working conditions, including wages.

[Ezhaak]

Decent salary! How do you see this? Having the salary of the director of an enterprise, who has nothing behind him except a diploma and knows how to do nothing for a young man? Will it be too bold?
In the late 70s, in a conversation with a newly-minted "engineer" with a salary of 180 rubles, when asked what salary / salary would suit him, the answer was heard: 360 rubles. What was followed by another question, for how long will this salary be sufficient? A very good answer was given. 2-3 months!
And remember, the question was asked about the salary, but the quarterly and other bonuses were not taken into account here. What is happening today. Talking about bare salaries, not taking into account other payments!

[ankh-andrej]

Let me repeat myself. The distribution of youths in places does not fix the situation. We need qualified personnel to be involved in production. The question is how to do this.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: ankh-andrej

We need qualified personnel

Qualified personnel have long been sold and cannot be returned to them with any gingerbread. They are already corrupted by big money. Therefore, with the remaining cadres, it is necessary to attract youths and, if there are abilities, to advance through the ranks. But, here someone already said that it is not so easy to become a designer. For this, thinking different from simple performers is needed. And, I repeat, real specialists will never be completely turned off on vacation, just like the executive director of the enterprise. One has work in the head, the other has people subordinates. Do not care completely off. He does not care, except for himself, his beloved.

[Lllax]

Well, hell knows, I myself signed a contract with one defense enterprise. So what? The grant from the plant is 450% of the base. Practice at the plant, the possibility of obtaining heaps of different working professions. But the problem is that there are almost no people who want to go with Gulkin’s nose, they are grabbing a grip for those who have more than 200 points)))

[Vitaly Anisimov]

We lag behind in this matter and strongly! But robots are the saved lives of our soldiers

[minimum]

Even if you reduce the time, order, threaten, etc., the main questions come to mind - and the products will generally be comparable to Western models, what is the technical backlog, is it theoretically possible to reduce this backlog?
and most importantly: if the backlog is critical, then what should I do?)

[1961NNN]

Yes, it is possible to order, to demand a reduction in time ... Question - Who will do it locally? ... the dashing 90s did their job! MAIN PROBLEM IN THE COUNTRY OF STAFF HUNGER IN ALL FIELDS! There are, but very few specialists, and in all areas! But to start and do it anyway NECESSARY! THIS IS A QUESTION OF LIFE AND EXISTENCE OF THE COUNTRY!

[alone]

all these smart cars will make migrant workers with brooms and shovels)))))

[Alexey M]

Give each company its own terminator. Let him run for a beer so that the soldier is not distracted from the service.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

And we have a foundation and development, and not small ones (Our coolest UAV "BURAN" back in the 80s launched such a colossus stuffed with automation) There was a time !!!

[rennim]

Apparently many are not familiar with the design work. This is actually a creative work ... Very painstaking and meticulous work based on many sciences. Ideas do not come at the moment. Further production of prototypes ... Finishing. Machines are not immediately made either. Even in the course of the series there is a constant refinement and debugging. That is why the work of designers here and everywhere is not properly appreciated. But the image of panties and panties is fabulously expensive ... It’s easier and easier to sell other people's ideas.

[dustycat]

Quote: rennim

Apparently many are not familiar with the design work. This is actually a creative work ... Very painstaking and meticulous work based on many sciences. Ideas do not come at the moment.

Ideas that just come easily.

Quote: rennim

Further, the manufacture of prototypes ... Lapping.

Add - the requirements of manufacturability.
Technology is the biggest evil for new technology.
Here, ideas arise with difficulties in view of the severe restrictions and reluctance to change existing production.

[Horla]

I now understand why scientific companies were created — ordered and the job was done!

[Large52]

I believe that under special conditions it is possible to accelerate. And as a student, both in the army and now at work in practice I see confirmation of this. For a Russian, this is generally a natural process). True, it is often necessary to speed up a fairly weighty pendal for acceleration.

[Draz]

Ours develop unmanned deck helicopter

[Bashkaus]

The idea is certainly good, but how stupid it sounds to "cut in half" like this take it out and put out of the blue? I turned on a dangerous path, we were already "giving a five-year plan in three days". Increasing the production of tanks by 2 times is one thing, but creating a robot is quite another.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

We love to argue in Russia to argue .. Here in the 41st thunder struck even there was no time to cross .. We managed as usual .. (only the price was very high) and the dates at the time of fulfilling defense orders were calculated for months and not years .. Time judging by the political situation in the world, it’s very similar ... So think guys .. (robots are complicated technology) But there is such a word in Russia NECESSARY !!!

[Gavrn]

To create a robot is a trifle. True, then the refinement will go a lot of time.

The problem of our MO is the lack of element base. To do something good on what is produced with us, you need to be a VERY COOL specialist.

[AK-47]

Quote: GAVRN

To create a robot is a trifle.

No, it’s not good, here you need a good organizer such as Lavrenty Pavlovich and a good personnel base ala gulag, scientific companies and even shelves can not do.

[Gavrn]

What you highlighted in the quote was sarcasm. (Although, in fact, building a robot, in the presence of finances, is not so difficult).

And there is no need to frighten anyone with the GULAGs. There are people in our science who are simply interested in doing what they are doing.

[valokordin]

I order to shorten the development time pancake 3 times, for designers and engineers to increase their salaries 3 times, the working day to increase 3 times, leave to provide only after the adoption of the model for service. For secrecy and surprise, family contacts should be limited as much as possible, by visiting a wife or girlfriend, for a female spouse, a friend 2 times a month with a video surveillance camera installed. Blue and pink outside the gates of the design bureau and are used only by the personal order of the chief designer. In nutrition, a complete and strict diet with the use of alcohol at will on average 100 g per day. And we are in front, who will be against the back.

[dustycat]

Quote: valokordin

For the sake of secrecy and surprise, family contacts should be limited as much as possible by visiting a wife or girlfriend, for women-spouses, friends, 2 times a month with a video surveillance camera installed.

And what?
It is much more reasonable to collect groups from married couples employed in this production.
Children also come in handy - to test.
Children are the best testers of reliability, simplicity, ergonomics and foolproofness.

[sashka]

To instruct to think twice as fast? For non-execution to punish .. Insanity grew stronger ..

[dustycat]

Quote: Sasha

To instruct to think twice as fast? For non-execution to punish .. Insanity grew stronger ..

Thinking faster is not a problem. The problem is thinking slower.
The biggest time is eating up the acquisition of the necessary components.
Especially absent from production.
It is good that a 3D printer can be made on the spot according to drawings from an Internet.

[Strategy]

One woman has a baby for 9 months, but 9 women cannot bear a baby in one month. The Supreme is also captivated by illusions, believing that by making money injections, he will raise both science, education and medicine ... No matter what technical information tools are used, a specialist is formed, depending on qualification and specialty, for a certain period of time. Cognitive processes can be stimulated, but accelerated twice - hardly. And just effective specialists - as a result of experiments on Russia - were lost!

[dustycat]

Quote: Strategia

One woman has a baby for 9 months, but 9 women cannot bear a baby in one month.

Off topic.

Quote: Strategia

The Supreme is also captivated by illusions, believing that by making money injections, he will raise both science, education and medicine ...

The supreme may be a layman. But Shoigu knows the topic.

Quote: Strategia

No matter what technical information tools are used, a specialist is formed, depending on qualifications and specialties, a certain period.

Well, this is if from scratch and on condition that "do what you have and not dream of the best!"

Quote: Strategia

Cognitive processes can be stimulated, but accelerated twice - hardly.

And what to know then?
We need robotics based on long-known physical principles.
Here the main problem - what to do on it - 99% of machine tools has been eliminated.
They did a good 3D printer - dreamed about it back in 1991 repairing the SM6380 - a miracle of Soviet engineering - a color matrix printer of A3 format.

Quote: Strategia

And just effective specialists - as a result of experiments on Russia - were lost!

Then yes ... Hit.
But on the other hand - to those guys who now have banknotes to throw up and give the industrial powder 3Printer (albeit imported) - for a year they are bungled.
In addition, there will be no blinkering in them "to do on what is and not to dream of the best"

[Draz]

All terms are not from the fact that there are few personnel, but from the fact that absolutely the whole process has been bureaucratized

[Goldmitro]

<<< Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu ordered on Wednesday to halve all existing terms for the implementation of programs to develop military robots. >>>
To set some deadlines, you need to have a number of design bureaus with established teams of class specialists with their own school as it was in the Union, for example, design bureaus of Tupolev, Yakovlev, Ilyushin, Myasishchev, Mikoyan ... There was a competition between them, as a result, modern technology was born , not inferior to foreign. Where is it all now? Everything is ruined! Thanks to "effective managers" - optimizers! Instead of all this, Poghosyan with his UAC and Puperjet from foreign components! And so on for all types of weapons! We urgently need to recreate the allied system - a number of design bureaus of good specialists with good salaries must compete by offering their developments! Then it will be possible to choose both high-quality equipment and tight deadlines and not run after the West: these design bureaus will themselves monitor trends in the development of technology in the world and create and offer their own corresponding MO!

[Consmo]

I agree.
In order to speed up the guys in vocational schools, you need to give out and feed the shoes for free, and give the step to life like we did in due time. And you need to drive young engineers by the handle in KB to tell and show and choose the best.
I turned out to be in electronics at one time, they said they looked like you should like it. Half a year went to practice. You finished your studies, they come up to me and they say we invite you to our place (out of ten interns) And the guy from the parallel stream was also taken out of 10 people (a good guy, but he is in the army in the army, then he broke his spine after the jump). I worked a year before the army, and then they took me there without any questions after the army. I became the best specialist in the country over the year (I boast, but so they said, and all sorts of pieces of paper from the Komsomol, award gave)

[michajlo]

Good evening everyone!
Yes, you read all this and wonder: "To speed up twice and so on fiery speeches and imperious vlyad from under frowned eyebrows
On what and how to reduce development time ... There is no war now, and comrade Stalin and Beria are absent!
Personnel are dispersed and structures for R&D are destroyed and seized! These are realities, not fiction.
As already written here above, a talented designer is a state of mind and the possibility of a flight of thought, their women do not make orders by order, and you can’t bring them up at a university.
You can only help with an experienced leader or administrator, bto a leading designer to find himself and show but by order they will not grow and will not appear.
Although tantalous Kulibins and other nuggets, the Russian land gave birth and God forbid give birth.

[Volodka]

It is easy to say, but difficult to do, in this area we are 20-25 years behind, there is no normal elemental base, production capacities. Although you can use the intelligence experience of the 40s, how much did it accelerate the work of Kurchatov? It is necessary not to be shy to use industrial espionage, but at the same time to avoid stupid copying of foreign samples, creating your own school in this area, so to speak.

[Consmo]

In the studio, the technical task for a specific robot.
I’m afraid the generals will not be able to give it.
Shoigu was shown on TV, the robot was not liked, it does not determine the location, and so on.
I imagine what the performers said about themselves.
B .. and did you order? Not one С she didn’t speak in uniform, but then the chief general needed it.
Yes, there you can lick the software for years. And what kind of bucks. Smart guys (and there are a lot of them) need to pay money, take a corner for bread, etc.
I remember by sub. in a row they did one garbage for the headquarters. So three months of those. They sat down on the assignment, (at the end they say, well, you guys write your own task) about 1.5 months to wait for the advance. They waited, they say, you guys do a little more for us, do so much here, so much here. And these are already finished drawings and the design is understandable and on what equipment to do.
We are talking about Ok only for this Wishlist pay 15% for our modest work. How much stink and shit were poured on us until they were provided with a sheet why it was more expensive. Work took 1.5 -2 months. We did it. We say let's loot and take away urgently non-rubber premises , pay for rent.
In short, after 3 months they took it away, the mat stood all months. But we grated guys then you can run for years for your money. It ended, they showed us a lift in the back, let's pay a banknote from hand to hand. Unloaded. That was 6 years ago. Our office is still cooperating; the generals liked everything.

[Nitarius]

And it was worth changing the Minister of Defense! and adequate work has begun!
it’s necessary to tear generals in all shoulder blades! to move brains and asses!

[dustycat]

Quote: Nitarius

And it was worth changing the Minister of Defense! and adequate work has begun!
it’s necessary to tear generals in all shoulder blades! to move brains and asses!

And so that the TRP standards are handed over annually.
Not met - a well-deserved rest.

[S_mirnov]

"TRP passed annually" is the correct topic and return CWP to schools! Instead of lessons of tolerance! Only for this it is not necessary to change the Minister of Defense!

[taseka]

"First of all, Shoigu explained, this is due to the" technological backwardness of enterprises "- First of all, this is due to the TV, where they show" Dom-2 ", the replacement of the USSR school, tolerance and the replacement of patriotism, the golden calf of immoral money making!

[JonnyT]

How tired of this PR!

[Kibalchish]

Shoigu begins to engage in populism. 25 years destroyed industry, science, chains of allies. It's good if they manage to revive by 2020, but not before.
Shoigu’s position is understandable: some actions are required from him and he is trying to portray them, but it will take years for the real ones.

[Taurus]

Of course, I respect Shaigu, but the statement is kind of stupid. Maybe he would still order nature to grow potatoes 2 times faster? Or reduce the evolution by 2 times? It seems like a smart person. It’s strange. All the same, power in the terminal disfigures people.

[Setrac]

Quote: Taurus

Of course, I respect Shaigu, but the statement is kind of stupid. Maybe he would still order nature to grow potatoes 2 times faster? Or reduce the evolution by 2 times? It seems like a smart person. It’s strange. All the same, power in the terminal disfigures people.

And what is impossible here? Stupid? A man walked, an order came to move twice as fast - he ran. Reduce the number of days off, lengthen the working day, stimulate financially. Comparison with women and pregnancy is stupid, you don’t have to give birth to robots, otherwise the designer would have pushed himself with his secretary - the project is ready.

[Anatolich]

He didn’t destroy Shoigu, he just has to restore it

[Demyn.]

An increase in the military budget, a tightening of personnel, military exercises, acceleration of development - or the government really becomes what it should be "the people and the party are united", or they know what the others are not talking about, and recently one amersky monkey promised Putin the fate of Muammar Gaddafi. I would not like to be a visionary in the second option.

[smart ass]

This is chaos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC-bCSs91xs sorry that is not a topic but hurt

[dvvv]

probably Shoigu’s one desire is not enough ... and even an order)

[Vlad_Mir]

We must seriously tackle the element base. There is clearly not enough kit for the "brains"!