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There is no smoke without fire, or Britain is afraid of losing Scotland

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What does not scare Britain that part of the United Kingdom that is called Scotland. Here you will have both state debts, which will go to Edinburgh, and problems with EU membership, and the need to invent a new currency, for it will be impossible to use the pound sterling of an independent Scotland, and much more. The horrors drawn by the British government before the Scots are linked to the independence referendum scheduled for September 2014. Time, as you know, flies fast, and therefore London is in a hurry to inculcate as many political and economic horror stories as possible into the consciousness of the Scots.


There is no smoke without fire, or Britain is afraid of losing Scotland


Just over a month ago, British Foreign Secretary William Hague gave a speech in Edinburgh, where he outlined the reasons for preserving Scotland in the United Kingdom.

“Traveling from Afghanistan to Brazil, from Canada to Australia, I see a lack of understanding why someone is trying to destroy such a viable, successful and respected alliance as ours,” the channel quotes the minister. "RT".

And who expresses this very misunderstanding, according to Mr. Haig? It turns out that we are talking about lagging countries. Those, looking at the UK, see "one of the most successful and stable governments in the world, economic development and diplomatic influence."

It is not surprising that such dubious statements immediately received from the Scottish fighters for independence a characteristic of “outrageous and biased”.

Next, the minister developed the very campaign of intimidation, which is now continuing to grow. Mr. Haig noted that Scotland risks the status of the sixth economy of the world (which it has thanks to the alliance with Britain), risks membership in NATO, the EU and even the UN Security Council. William Hague described the horrors of detaching from the United Kingdom in detail, drawing attention to “Scottish organic food, Scottish agricultural equipment and Scottish food, and even such unexpected directions as 1 thousand tons of salmon supplied to Lebanon annually.”

All this, we add from ourselves, apparently, will be under a big question when gaining independence and will throw Scotland somewhere in the Middle Ages, for 1707 a year, in dark times before the Union Act.

Intimidation of Scotland following the foreign minister continued the British military command.

How is 11 July correspondent ITAR-TASS Vitaly Makarchev With reference to the BBC, the British military are considering the possibility of proclaiming the sovereignty of the United Kingdom over that part of the territory where the nuclear submarine base in Faslane is located. It can be transferred to the jurisdiction of London, if at the end of the referendum Scotland decides to secede from the UK.

It is to this base, located to the northwest of Glasgow, that the submarines armed with Trident ballistic nuclear missiles are assigned. The military command of Great Britain believes that the country has neither the means nor the ability to create a similar base in England or Wales.

“By proclaiming Faslane as part of the United Kingdom, not Scotland, London uses the experience of Cyprus, where two British bases have the status of overseas territories of Great Britain,” said in an interview with a correspondent. ITAR-TASS employee of the London Royal Institute of the Labor.

Correspondent "RT" Polina Boyko 17 July told about the other horrors that London fears Edinburgh.

In a recent statement by the British government, it says that if Scotland is separated, then the Scots visiting the UK will pay huge amounts for mobile roaming. True, the Scottish government parried this horror story: after all, roaming charges in the EU will be abolished in 2016.

Meanwhile, who said that Scotland will be in the EU?

A scary story has also been developed on this subject, scaring the Scots that an independent Scotland will have to re-apply for membership in the European Union.

In addition, the UK states that its postal services will not serve an independent Scotland.

Finally, the Scots would like to leave as a national currency a pound sterling, but the chancellor of the Treasury of Great Britain, George Osborne, refused to do so.

The first minister of Scotland, Alex Salmond, treats horror stories with humor: "In the debates we will get every horror story from our closet and deal with it, like in old horror films they are cracking down on Dracula."

30 July, the first minister of Scotland in an interview told about what awaits his country in the event of independence. He noted that the country will depart 95% of all UK oil and gas reserves. True, Scotland will have to take on part of the public debt of England.

“The part of the North Sea is divided between countries according to the principle of equidistance from the middle line. If we were divided along today's borders, and yet Scotland has its own jurisdiction, then we would have lost even more reserves - 99%. The principle of the middle line is also used for other countries that are washed by the North Sea - Norway, Denmark, Ireland. The midline division is the only possible option, ”Salmond said in an interview with RT, which is quoted as saying. "Days. Ru".

As for the national debt, Salmond said the following: “The pound sterling is not only English currency, it is ours just as much. The idea is very simple. We are ready to take part of the capital and part of the debt. And I must say that the debt is huge. But if, of course, Minister Osborne wants to argue that we cannot receive a share of capital in a common currency, then by definition we cannot assume the share of debts. ”

The politician explained something else: “Over the past five years, Scotland has paid eight thousand million pounds more to the treasury than London has returned to us. This is the sum of the relative surplus. Eight thousand million pounds - this is somewhere 1600 pounds for every Scot. If Scotland had been independent for the past five years, then every Scotsman would have been richer in 1600 pounds. But the point, of course, is not only in finance. Scotland needs independence not to become richer. ”

No, of course, money has nothing to do with it, but you see - the Scots will become richer at the same time. This is Salmond's message to the people. Before such calculations, the horror stories of London are a little dim. And it becomes clear that the British government is seriously concerned about the upcoming decision of the Scots. By themselves, "horror" is already giving out London alarm. There is no smoke without fire ...

By the way, a referendum on the independence of Scotland will be held after the celebration of the 700 anniversary of the Battle of Bannockburn (23-24 took place on June 1314 and ended with the complete defeat of England, and the forces of the parties were unequal: Scottish - 10000, Englishmen - 25000. However, the numerical superiority of the English was historical ).

So let's add, Salmond has already prepared an aspen stake for Dracula. It remains to sharpen.

True, Comrade Salmond should not forget that at the present moment, according to many polls, less than half of Scots are in favor of independence, and the Scottish wealth per capita may turn out to be poverty when the question of joining an independent country to the EU is blocked, say, by Spain. Madrid has already made a statement, not wanting a “precedent” against the background of claims of its own territorial entities, one way or another seeking independence, Catalonia or the Basque Country.

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  1. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 1 August 2013 08: 19 New
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    A blow to the pride of the Anglo-Saxons! I am for the separation of Scotland from England! Accept my vote! smile
    1. Skarte
      Skarte 1 August 2013 08: 27 New
      48
      Fucking us in the Caucasus ... For those, please get yourself a headache so that next time you think when you will open your mouth! Everything is back ... Yeah, Russia, too)))
      1. svp67
        svp67 1 August 2013 10: 38 New
        +5
        Quote: Skarte
        .On those, please get yourself a headache,
        But is this pain more a reason for discussion in various London clubs ...
        Even if Scotland de jure secede, de facto little that change ...
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 1 August 2013 13: 31 New
          11
          Well yes. After all, nothing has changed here, right? It’s even better, yeah ...
          Fanning fires around the world, the British somehow missed the ridiculous fact that they do not live on another planet. Ireland instantly ... in short, a kirdyk to the United Kingdom, and quite real. Is this how they will now emerge? After all, the only option is to tell the truth. And defend the truth. But as? They have never done this for the last 500 years? After all, the only justification for the existence of any state is not in "national self-determination," invented as a mine for unwanted countries. And in a simple statement - we took these lands with an armed hand. And we are ready to defend them. Voting? An effective response to them can only be massive fire. Do you want to live on this earth under our rule? Leave or die. From the fact that the tank was painted with circles, he did not become a Vologda shawl ...
      2. edge
        edge 5 August 2013 12: 54 New
        0
        can I really see a situation when the Saxons will smash their face with their own fist ..... thank God, I gave you ....
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 1 August 2013 10: 41 New
      23
      It is necessary to take Scotland into the customs union and the Collective Security Treaty Organization (Collective Security Treaty Organization) ... and build a military base (or rather our ships will be instead of English), to protect the Scots from terrorists ...
      1. a52333
        a52333 1 August 2013 11: 26 New
        24
        protect the Scots from terrorists ...
        And together with the Scots, "democratize" the Britons.
        1. svp67
          svp67 1 August 2013 12: 20 New
          11
          ShturmKGB
          Gotta scotland

          And there, and Ireland to pull up, and start with Pierce Brosnan ... in general, it's time to put this process on stream, so we will quickly show Europias "kuzkin mother" in all its glory belay
        2. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 1 August 2013 13: 25 New
          +4
          And what about getting dirty about them? They do it even without our help. Just put a sanitary cordon: Iskanders and all sorts of S-300_400 with shells
          winked
          Known for protection from Korea and Iran
          1. gispanec
            gispanec 2 August 2013 18: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: abrakadabre
            Known for protection from Korea and Iran

            Duc from the Irish terrorists boom to protect ..... hmm .. from the Norwegian .... Breviki there all sorts of ..... from the Grendlan poachers ..... and from gays from ROTERDAM .... by the way if you collect them all ... then after all dofiga turns out ..... it is necessary to carry out protection by forces of two or seven brigades ..... the heart attack to the queen + to the prime minister is provided !!
        3. a52333
          a52333 3 August 2013 08: 39 New
          +2
          And even better like this: No-fly zone over England !!! Yes!
      2. svp67
        svp67 1 August 2013 11: 29 New
        +3
        ShturmKGB
        Scotland should be in the customs union and in the CSTO
        That would be a "trick" ... And still Sean Connery on permanent residence - Europia, in general, would "die" ...
        1. vadson
          vadson 1 August 2013 21: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          still Sean Connery for permanent residence "...
          Sean Conery nervously smokes on the sidelines compared to Vyacheslav Tikhonov
      3. old man54
        old man54 4 August 2013 00: 20 New
        0
        ShturmKGB
        .and build a military base (or rather, instead of English, our ships will be), protect the Scots from terrorists ...

        wonderful passage !! You "+"! It's a pity you can't put 10 of them laughing good
    3. AVV
      AVV 1 August 2013 11: 59 New
      13
      The separation of Scotland will be followed by processes in the States for the separation of the state of Texas !!!
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 1 August 2013 12: 21 New
        -20
        Well, what the noise? the angles right historically bent the Scots
        for they have husbands still in antiquity walked in yupki smile
        1. Gato
          Gato 1 August 2013 13: 25 New
          14
          Well, what the noise? the angles right historically bent the Scots
          for they have husbands still in antiquity walked in yupki

          Apparently, the look of Scottish men in skirts forever spoiled the orientation of the British.laughing
          By the way, the British sometimes even dispensed with skirts. The truth is now their historians claim that this is due to dysentery. Like, take off your pants for a long time. But we know that!
          1. Raiven
            Raiven 1 August 2013 14: 54 New
            +2
            This is a kilt, the national dress of Scotland.
        2. cumastra1
          cumastra1 1 August 2013 19: 24 New
          +7
          the Scottish army was especially scary during a strong wind ....
    4. W-pott
      W-pott 1 August 2013 14: 10 New
      -44
      And I'm for separating the Caucasus from Russia, and so on. This will be a blow to your vanity.
      1. duke
        duke 1 August 2013 14: 49 New
        19
        do not spit in the well and keep your delusional opinion to yourself, the Krymchaks do not sleep either, and the Turks will gladly provide them with "international assistance", since Turkey had a treaty on Crimea with Russia, because There was no trace of Ukraine at that time, and all the lands along the Black Sea that Potemkin recaptured from the Turks was called Novorossia ... in general, to rivet on your brothers and wish them problems is the last thing, because your good will return, but also evil.
        1. W-pott
          W-pott 1 August 2013 15: 27 New
          -13
          My comment was about this: "A blow to the pride of the Anglo-Saxons! I am for the separation of Scotland from England! Take my vote!" So I'm not too crazy about what is happening in Kosovo, Georgia, Catalonia and so on.
          1. duke
            duke 1 August 2013 18: 37 New
            +4
            thank you for your understanding, let fraternal Kievan Rus flourish ...
      2. svp67
        svp67 1 August 2013 21: 57 New
        +4
        Quote: W-pott
        And I'm for separating the Caucasus from Russia, and so on.
        Well, in "etc." and the solution of the "Crimean question" may enter and not the best option for Ukraine, did not you think?
        1. fduch
          fduch 2 August 2013 07: 33 New
          +4
          Okay Crimea, the whole east of Ukraine wants to go to Russia
      3. KILLAvolt
        KILLAvolt 2 August 2013 11: 08 New
        0
        STUPID !!!
      4. gispanec
        gispanec 2 August 2013 18: 28 New
        -1
        Quote: W-pott
        And I am for separating the Caucasus from Russia

        and we are for RUSSIAN Sevastopol + the whole Crimea + Donetsk region + Odessa + Kharkov + / countries called Ukraine ... the second can be given to Romanians with hats
    5. Natalia
      Natalia 1 August 2013 15: 14 New
      +9
      Quote: Baron Wrangel
      A blow to the pride of the Anglo-Saxons! I am for the separation of Scotland from England! Accept my vote!

      Yes, but in that case, I would suggest the following: disconnect Wales, Northern Ireland from Great Britain and annex it to Ireland (there will be a full island), respectively, Scotland well remains ... the Republic of England, well, or there is a kingdom, and as it was noted below, comrade , his idea smiled at me:
      ShturmKGB
      It is necessary to take Scotland into the customs union and the Collective Security Treaty Organization (Collective Security Treaty Organization) ... and build a military base (or rather our ships will be instead of English), to protect the Scots from terrorists ...

      And we will give back Wales to Belarus ...
      1. Gato
        Gato 1 August 2013 17: 45 New
        +8
        Quote: Natalia
        And we will give back Wales to Belarus ...

        And the Queen of England will work as a cloakroom attendant in Gazprom ...
      2. Don
        Don 2 August 2013 17: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Natalia
        Yes, but in that case, I would suggest the following: disconnect Wales, Northern Ireland from Great Britain and join it to Ireland

        It is unlikely to succeed, although it would not be bad. 2/3 of the population of Northern Ireland are Protestants, who are just for the UK, for this IRA conducted terrorist methods of struggle, because in a referendum they would have lost for any. And in Wales, in my opinion, half of the population is British.
    6. valokordin
      valokordin 3 August 2013 08: 01 New
      +2
      Interestingly, the gentlemen of the Britons will answer how they supported the Chechen separatists, probably we should do the same.
    7. psdf
      psdf 3 August 2013 12: 48 New
      +2
      That's right, if free observers from Tuva are not invited, then England will vote in their favor.
      Let America's independent "Voice" urgently unfold. Let's not let the fierce monarchy silence the sprouts of freedom!
    8. zvereok
      zvereok 4 August 2013 12: 23 New
      0
      The British will hold a referendum as they need, and then at every corner they will pester us, demanding that the same referendum be held.
    9. NAPOLEON
      NAPOLEON 4 August 2013 16: 06 New
      0
      DISCONNECTING SCOTLAND IS A PRECEDENT FOR US. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND SUCH THRESHES THIS AUCHNITZ AND US.
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  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 1 August 2013 08: 28 New
    23
    “Traveling from Afghanistan to Brazil, from Canada to Australia, I see a lack of understanding why someone is trying to destroy such a viable, successful and respected alliance as ours,” the RT channel quoted the minister as saying.

    The Canadian Eskimos and Pashto from Afghanistan were straightforward: how did Scotland want to get out of small Britain.
  4. Kazakh
    Kazakh 1 August 2013 08: 31 New
    13
    In any case, the separation of Scotland will weaken the Britons and somewhat divert their attention from us. I agree with the Patriots of Scotland for separation from Britain
  5. Alan
    Alan 1 August 2013 08: 33 New
    17
    Again double standards, as ours rage this desire for a bright independent future; how they have it so NIZZIA and a bunch of problems promise ... Tsuki.
  6. andrei332809
    andrei332809 1 August 2013 08: 57 New
    18
    but how amers? will support the Scots right to self-determination or call it all separatism? it is necessary to raise a question in the United Nations, and then suddenly over the Britons will have to enter a zero-wire
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 1 August 2013 09: 28 New
      14
      The snake itself will then bite its tail. If amers get into this business, we get two spiders in one bank. This will be a show!
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 1 August 2013 09: 36 New
        +9
        Quote: Wedmak
        . This will be a show!

        I would have looked. I would have picked up beer, fish ...
  7. ed65b
    ed65b 1 August 2013 08: 58 New
    19
    Long live independent Scotland! May this be the eve of the independence of Ireland! You give the collapse of the UK into specific principalities and cities of the state.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 1 August 2013 11: 32 New
      +9
      Quote: ed65b
      Long live independent Scotland! May this be the eve of the independence of Ireland! You give the collapse of the UK into specific principalities and cities of the state.

      So that's the whole point. There is an old legend that Great Britain will perish when Scotland becomes independent. Also, the stone of the Scottish kings must be taken away. If anyone does not know, a stone was laid at the foot of the English throne, which served as a back for the "throne" of the ancient Scottish kings. The British, having conquered Scotland, deliberately placed this stone at the foot of the throne. "We trample the Scots under our feet." And there has already been an attempt to steal this stone by modern youth, but maybe it will do without it. And Scotland can really start the disintegration.
  8. maratenok
    maratenok 1 August 2013 09: 00 New
    12
    it’s necessary to support, send there a bulk, and the entire opposition and let there be marches
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 1 August 2013 09: 11 New
      +7
      Quote: maratenok
      send there bulk, and the entire opposition

      why don’t you like Scots so much? albeit in skirts, but not like homosexuals
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 1 August 2013 09: 30 New
        +7
        So Navalny receives money for the struggle with the Russian government. What difference does it make to which government to fight? And then the Scots themselves will send him to the mines.
        1. Furnace driver
          Furnace driver 1 August 2013 10: 48 New
          +4
          Quote: Wedmak
          So Navalny receives money for the struggle with the Russian government.
          Not only to fight, but also to become the very government itself, or rather the mayor of Moscow. This is the day already in Moscow you can see the agitation brigades for Navalny, as well as for other candidates ...
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 1 August 2013 11: 04 New
            +3
            This is the day already in Moscow you can see the agitation brigades for Navalny

            Do you seriously believe that this rogue will be elected mayor of the capital? I heard something, he already called himself a native Muscovite ... Interestingly, he even imagines how to manage such a big city ?? For me, so Sobyanin is much more adequate, although he voices rational thoughts. But Bulk only rolls tantrums.
            1. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 11: 30 New
              +3
              Sobyanin is no longer a cake, here the Liberal Democratic Party candidate I don’t remember how his name was recently lit on the radio, he has such a program regarding migrants and replacing officials that I just cried with tears of blind obazheniya, I personally vote for him, if he is from the whole at least 1 point will make his sweet nonsense.
              And he’s a man with humor.
              1. alone
                alone 1 August 2013 13: 39 New
                +4
                Do you think this whole masquerade with raids against migrants means that the authorities decided to seriously tackle the problem? I think this is another public relations move by the authorities about the election. Moscow’s measure. As soon as they choose a Sobyanin (he will become a measure), everything will be as before
                1. tilovaykrisa
                  tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 15: 14 New
                  0
                  No, it will be like you and the Chinese.
              2. duke
                duke 1 August 2013 14: 54 New
                +4
                so it ignited the current, in addition to voicing the aspirations of Muscovites, it’s also necessary to work, but the Liberal Democratic Party in this sense does not pull, but they are cool baller ... hehe
            2. Furnace driver
              Furnace driver 1 August 2013 11: 41 New
              +3
              Quote: Wedmak
              Do you seriously believe that this rogue will be elected mayor of the capital?
              Did I write that I believe in this? I ascertained the fact, it would be better to take an interest in what he does!
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 1 August 2013 11: 46 New
                0
                Did I write that I believe in this?

                No, but I was interested in your opinion.
                Now it would be better to ask what kind of shys he does it!

                Well, certainly not for the salary of a turner in a plant near Moscow. What amazes me at all is that he is still in Moscow, and is not falling down a forest (which he loves to drink so much) in Kolyma.
                1. Furnace driver
                  Furnace driver 1 August 2013 12: 05 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Well, certainly not for the salary of a turner in a plant near Moscow.

                  quite possibly on the salary of an agent ... FSB :) I remember Putin before the last parliamentary elections made an innocent face and admitted that all projects on the right-wing parties were initiated at his suggestion. In this case, Zavalny's task is to draw away the votes of the protest electorate from possible "real" candidates. This is just a guess. Let's take into account that other parties have nominated not God knows what candidates.
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 1 August 2013 14: 52 New
                    +4
                    In this case, Zavalny's task is to draw away the votes of the protest electorate from possible "real" candidates.

                    Will he draw too many votes? I think so, in Moscow there are many more really working and really loving their city than swamp creatives.
    2. duke
      duke 1 August 2013 14: 51 New
      0
      where is it where? To London or to Edinburgh? And so the idea is sound.
  9. Wedmak
    Wedmak 1 August 2013 09: 17 New
    +9
    As I understand it, this whole scarecrow is set up so as not to lose the oil and gas territories? Here the dog rummaged?
    And the Scots are great! Calmly and weightily respond to the booze raised by shaving. If separation nevertheless takes place (and I BEYOND all limbs!), It will definitely be an aspen stake in the heart of Britain. The echo of the evil done by Britain in the world, responded to them themselves.
    1. duke
      duke 1 August 2013 14: 58 New
      0
      Do not confuse the people, the Britons are just relatives to the Scots and Irish - apparently you are talking about the British. Britons from Celtic. brith - motley, different, English Britons, Breton. Brezhoned, Wall. Brythoniaid - Celtic tribes that made up the main population of Britain from the VIII century BC. e. according to the XNUMXth century uh ..
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 1 August 2013 15: 10 New
        +5
        Brits I call the "elite" of Great Britain, which spoils the blood of the whole world. For ordinary citizens of this country, this word does not apply. The same is the case with p-and-n-d-o-s-a-m-i - the top of the United States, which sleeps and sees itself as absolute world hegemons.
        What happened before our era and before the 16th century is purely their local showdowns, which are of little interest to us.
        1. W-pott
          W-pott 1 August 2013 15: 29 New
          -8
          And what is the top of your country?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 1 August 2013 15: 48 New
            +3
            And what is it called outside of Russia? At least I have not heard her somehow called one word. Not yet deserved apparently. wink
            1. W-pott
              W-pott 1 August 2013 16: 32 New
              -11
              Well, if the Americans are n and d about s, and the British are shaved? We say k_ a ts_a p_ s. Are you so pleased?
              1. tilovaykrisa
                tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 16: 37 New
                +5
                Well, we also have some say Kakly, but reasonable and self-respecting people say Ukrainians, in my opinion here is just such an appeal. And by and large, say whatever you want, brothers always give each other humorous nicknames.
              2. Wedmak
                Wedmak 1 August 2013 16: 41 New
                +5
                We say k_ a ts_a p_ s. Are you so pleased?

                Very well. Now, take the trouble to explain for what merit we received this nickname and what it means.
                1. tilovaykrisa
                  tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 16: 46 New
                  +2
                  He is embarrassed to say that even this word they stole from the vocabulary of the damned Muscovites laughing
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              4. duke
                duke 1 August 2013 19: 07 New
                +1
                What does it mean?
                1. svp67
                  svp67 1 August 2013 19: 09 New
                  +3
                  Quote: duke
                  What does it mean?
                  Do you really want to know this?
                  In principle, this word is offensive, since in retaliation for the "crest", the inhabitants of Little Russia drew attention to their Great Russian brothers that their desire to wear beards does not always look beautiful, and they look like goats, which in Ukrainian sounds like a dzap, from here abbreviated, I am a Nazi muzzle ... But honestly, I'd rather be, I'm a Nazi muzzle, oh, than eat ...
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 1 August 2013 19: 29 New
                    0
                    It’s ridiculous. AutoCorrect.
                    So "I am a Nazi muzzle" is "k and c and p".
                    And the last sentence, please read
                    Quote: svp67
                    But honestly, I’d better be aware of myself as a c of a m than a m of a c a lem ..
                  2. tilovaykrisa
                    tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 19: 56 New
                    0
                    I now know a different interpretation of this word
                2. tilovaykrisa
                  tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 19: 55 New
                  0
                  Interesting to know? So called Muscovites Tatars, in an approximate translation means Butcher, flayer.
              5. Don
                Don 2 August 2013 17: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: W-pott
                and the British are Britons?

                Shaving is not an insult.
                The Britons are Celtic tribes that made up the main population of Britain from the VIII century BC. e. according to the XNUMXth century e. By the way, they do not belong to the British.
                Quote: W-pott
                We say k_ a ts_a p_ s.

                Where are we?
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          2. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 16: 14 New
            0
            Watching who you mean.
  10. Hey
    Hey 1 August 2013 09: 27 New
    +4
    In my opinion, modern Scots are only unfounded for separation, but in fact, most are for a united country. The next referendum on this issue will show this.
  11. Poppy
    Poppy 1 August 2013 09: 35 New
    +1
    and what is "eight thousand million pounds"?
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 1 August 2013 13: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Poppy
      and what is "eight thousand million pounds"?

      This is 8 billion.
  12. morpogr
    morpogr 1 August 2013 09: 39 New
    +4
    They will not be allowed into the EU to invite to the customs union it will be more interesting to build it.
  13. a
    a 1 August 2013 09: 41 New
    -1
    yes it’s all grandmother’s tales. in reality, they are unlikely to separate now: Scotland from England, Catalonia from Spain. Such conversations are always conducted when someone is feeling bad and they think that when separated they will live better. Look at the example of the separation of Ukraine and Belarus. They that began to live better separated? And I remember how in the early 90s in Kiev only the lazy did not yell on Independence Square, that you need to separate from Russia, stop feeding it, and then Ukraine will recover richly. They did not live richer. The Scots will not live richer. but they will prosper their own, albeit th ..stuy, but a great country.
    Talking about the separation of Scotland from England is the same as talking about the separation, for example, of Karelia from Russia.
    Russia will not be better from the separation of Scotland. The Scots are all imbued with a British spirit.
    1. Gromily4
      Gromily4 1 August 2013 09: 58 New
      +8
      Yes, the Scots and the Irish for separation, how many centuries have the British spoiled their blood. In any case, the Russians in the territory of Karelia did not create the lawlessness that England did in those territories, read on the Internet. They generally did not consider them for people, and even now they do not. So let them separate. He will also agree with them and put the Iskanders on their territory for protection from England.
      1. Furnace driver
        Furnace driver 1 August 2013 10: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: Gromily4
        Russians in the territory of Karelia did not create that lawlessness,

        And what does Karelia have to do with it? Inappropriate comparison: the rebellious Scotland was conquered for several centuries by fire and sword, but the Karelians, together with the Russians, fought against the Sveeys for centuries, unfortunately due to the venality of the Novgorod and Pskov boyars and merchants sold by the Hansa, at certain points in history on reflection there was not enough power, as a result, Finland now exists.
        1. Gromily4
          Gromily4 1 August 2013 11: 22 New
          +2
          Or maybe we’ll learn to read, I didn’t start about Karelia, but it was an answer to the previous comment. And in general, before you say something, think first. You said the same as me. That the annexation of Karelia was calm without much blood, while the annexation of Scotland from Ireland was very bloody.
          1. Furnace driver
            Furnace driver 1 August 2013 11: 45 New
            +2
            Quote: Gromily4
            That the annexation of Karelia was calm without much blood, while the annexation of Scotland from Ireland was very bloody.

            What connection ??? What are you talking about? Karelians always lived side by side with the Russians, no one was going to join them, well, unless, when the Moscow principality annexed the Novgorod lands, but this is already an internal context!
            1. Gromily4
              Gromily4 1 August 2013 11: 55 New
              +1
              Stop quibbling already, everyone, always, someone else has been attached.
              And the fact that the accession of others to Russia was not so bloody and drawing all the juices from the annexed territory, and the population was not considered there as non-humans. What was the case with the Angles in Scotland and Ireland.
              1. Furnace driver
                Furnace driver 1 August 2013 12: 14 New
                +3
                I will quibble, because in this context, which you have used, the term "connect" is inappropriate. I apologize for the obsession, but I would not like to hear something like "Russians bloodlessly occupied the Karelians" next time
      2. alone
        alone 1 August 2013 13: 40 New
        +1
        Iskanders must first fully arm the army on their territory, and then transfer them to Scotland
      3. duke
        duke 1 August 2013 15: 03 New
        +2
        yes, it seems that the Scots have a question of principle, so they will most likely vote for secession, but an interesting point, there (in Scotland) there is already talk about unification with Ireland, though so far in an incomprehensible form, such as a confederation, as in Switzerland, since it’s related nations, unlike the diverse Swiss, so it’s not a fact that they will become worse.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 1 August 2013 16: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: duke
          there (in Scotland) there is already talk of unification with Ireland

          Interestingly, you can drop the link if there is one.
          1. duke
            duke 1 August 2013 19: 13 New
            +2
            unfortunately I didn’t bother, but when we were in Scotland, many talk about it there (at least those businessmen with whom we met) and according to them even their local newspapers write about it, so excuse me for now and consider the article as philistine rumors ...
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 1 August 2013 10: 12 New
      +6
      Russia will not be better from the separation of Scotland. The Scots are all imbued with a British spirit.

      But it will be worse than shaving. That, too, will indescribably delight adequate Russian citizens.
      1. Yuras222
        Yuras222 1 August 2013 10: 52 New
        +7
        Quote: uno
        Russia, stop feeding her and then Ukraine will heal richly. They did not live richer. The Scots will not live richer. but they will prosper their own, albeit th ..stuy, but a great country.
        Talking about the separation of Scotland from England is the same as talking about the separation, for example, of Karelia from Russia.
        Russia will not be better from the separation of Scotland. The Scots are all imbued with a British spirit.


        The British conquered Scotland, cruelly punishing and suppressing the local population and now, after so much time, they continue to treat the Scots very badly, our graters and Caucasians do not even compare, the Scot can neither work nor live in England, he is simply spread rot and they survive, have you seen somewhere that we have spread rot and survived a Belarusian or a Ukrainian? I wish good luck to the ambitious people of Scotland; I hope that historical justice will finally come.
      2. Alan
        Alan 1 August 2013 14: 19 New
        +5
        Quote: Wedmak
        But it will be worse than shaving. That, too, will indescribably delight adequate Russian citizens.

        + You have written what I wanted to say from myself, I will add to rejoice at the separation (if it takes place) I will - not because I am a sinister; but from the fact that the "sowing wind will reap the storm" You cannot engage in incitement and think that this will not return you a boomerang. So the more problems they have, the more I will be glad.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 1 August 2013 14: 55 New
          +3
          I will not rejoice at the separation (if it takes place), because I am a wicked person; but from the fact that "the wind that sowed will reap the storm" You cannot engage in incitement and think that this will not return you like a boomerang.

          Here is a significant clarification. It is unlikely that our state will do what the United States and Britain are doing all over the world. This is not our way.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 1 August 2013 11: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: uno
      Look at the example of the separation of Ukraine and Belarus.

      Do not line Ukraine with Belarus. Much depends on the leader. Belarusians live well, but Ukrainians .... Uniting, it may be better for everyone to live (if the system is changed from capitalism to socialism)
      1. Furnace driver
        Furnace driver 1 August 2013 11: 59 New
        +3
        return the community, the community back, we will rid our native language of "fashionable tendencies - trends". let's not try to TREND, but start SPEAKING.
      2. alone
        alone 1 August 2013 13: 43 New
        +5
        Belarusians have a leader Lukashenko, who made his way to power from the bottom. He knows what is necessary for a simple Belarusan. Lukashenko is an economic manager, not a nomenclature who only does what claps his hands and gives ridiculous orders
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 14: 14 New
          0
          Speak, for that I plus.
  14. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 09: 45 New
    +4
    Victory to Seon Conor !!! Russia should allocate a tranche of 5 billion dollars if Scotland votes for independence, we agree to allocate 2 more such tranches if independent Scotland provides us with a small part of the territory for the construction of our scientific war base on it.
    1. Humen
      Humen 1 August 2013 09: 53 New
      0
      So that we pay again, and then they would respond by joining NATO and other joys? If the territory for the bases is allocated, then yes. And just like that ... How stupid it will turn out.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 10: 31 New
        +5
        5 kilolimolons of green paper for the opportunity to give shaving to brits is ridiculous money, such a possibility may not be another 100 years.
        1. Humen
          Humen 1 August 2013 18: 44 New
          +1
          Well, only if for the sake of this =) Then really help them with defense and currency. Well, immediately they introduce the ruble, put the base, the air defense system. Well, to protect a young democracy.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 1 August 2013 10: 11 New
      0
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      we agree to allocate 2 more such tranches if independent Scotland provides us with a small part of the territory for the construction of our scientific war base on it.

      And there is no need to build, there is a sea base, just rent. smile
  15. morkov
    morkov 1 August 2013 10: 00 New
    +4
    Despite all the threats of the British, Scotland will leave the United Kingdom. They are tired of being only a raw material supplement, with which no one is considered ...
  16. kotvov
    kotvov 1 August 2013 10: 00 New
    +5
    I hope the Scots are stubborn enough and will bring the matter to a favorable end for them.
  17. eplewke
    eplewke 1 August 2013 10: 17 New
    +3
    They will not be allowed into the EU - we will take it to the BRICS. wink First Scotland, then Wales and Ireland. So a small piece of land will remain from Britain ... laughing
    1. alone
      alone 1 August 2013 13: 31 New
      0
      and what will the organization be called after that? BRICSHUI. Doesn't sound like that
      1. Alan
        Alan 1 August 2013 15: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        and what will the organization be called after that? BRICSHUI. Doesn't sound like that

        The USSR will be called laughing
      2. old man54
        old man54 4 August 2013 00: 42 New
        0
        Quote: lonely
        and what will the organization be called after that? BRICSHUI. Doesn't sound like that

        BRIXUSHI will be called! laughing
  18. stroporez
    stroporez 1 August 2013 10: 35 New
    +3
    I hope to live until the day when Ireland, Wales, Gibraltar fall off from them ......... I think a tattered British cat will look cool ...............
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 1 August 2013 13: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: stroporez
      I hope to live until the day when Ireland, Wales, Gibraltar fall off from them

      By the way, Gibraltar this year joined the European football organization as an independent country.
  19. Gecko
    Gecko 1 August 2013 10: 47 New
    +3
    As they say eye for eye, they have broken off Ukraine from us, we must do our best to contribute to the separation of Scotland.
  20. Furnace driver
    Furnace driver 1 August 2013 10: 57 New
    +1
    The United States, and perhaps all of Europe - the waste material, in my opinion - they should be crushed because they have already developed their potential (the main goal has been achieved - the population is irreversibly declining, immigrants do not count), but China and India, perhaps now can become another stage in terms of population reduction, both lethal and non-lethal means.
  21. Fire
    Fire 1 August 2013 11: 11 New
    +1
    Britain put a lot of effort in the 80s to the collapse of the USSR, let them now feel the same way. I am for the separation of Scotland! yes
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 1 August 2013 11: 23 New
      +3
      Britain put a lot of effort in the 80s to the collapse of the USSR, let them now feel the same way.

      Russian is not evil, Russian patient, they just should not be angry .... winked
  22. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 11: 34 New
    +3
    at the foot of the English throne a stone was laid, which served as a back for the "throne" of the ancient Scottish kings. The British, having conquered Scotland, deliberately placed this stone at the foot of the throne. "We trample the Scots under our feet" [/ quote]

    but this is a strong, centuries-old humiliation.
  23. Djozz
    Djozz 1 August 2013 11: 37 New
    +5
    For several centuries, the "Englishwoman" crap Russia, raking in the heat with someone else's hands. "England does not have permanent friends, it has permanent interests," I think Disraeli said. And if its disintegration finally comes, many nations will be avenged. God punish England, the poodle of the United States! (I changed the first lines of the anthem of England)
  24. pensioner
    pensioner 1 August 2013 11: 57 New
    +4
    Thank you Oleg! It looks like Britain will soon be a microbrit! And then nano ...
  25. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 1 August 2013 12: 43 New
    +7
    If they do not give the pound, let's offer them the Ruble) And the entry into the TS))
  26. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 1 August 2013 13: 08 New
    +1
    OOOOOOOOOOOOOO ... great !! Russia should strongly support Scotland in its aspiration to destroy the English empire !! I am for!!
  27. Essenger
    Essenger 1 August 2013 14: 01 New
    +4
    I support the self-determination of the Scots. They must decide their fate next year. By the way, I somehow communicated with a Scot, she was against independence. I was at a loss how to give up independence? I hope there are few like her.
    1. old man54
      old man54 4 August 2013 00: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Essenger
      By the way, I somehow communicated with a Scot, she was against independence.

      But how did she argue this?
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 4 August 2013 01: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: old man54
        Quote: Essenger
        By the way, I somehow communicated with a Scot, she was against independence.

        But how did she argue this?


        It seemed to me that the British propaganda about "economic collapse" really affects ordinary Scots. She argued that her life would get worse and called Alex Salmond (the first minister of Scotland) a dumb talker. Although it is difficult to call her an Anglophile)
  28. angolaforever
    angolaforever 1 August 2013 14: 17 New
    +1
    If it is written in an article that polls show that the majority of Scotland’s population is against secession, then the meaning of these demagogues and dreams?
  29. pinecone
    pinecone 1 August 2013 14: 35 New
    +3
    There is one more point that is not usually mentioned for reasons of the so-called. "political correctness". The British authorities are massively resettling migrants of all stripes in Scotland, which naturally causes extreme irritation and discontent among local residents who have not lost their national identity.
  30. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 1 August 2013 14: 35 New
    +3
    The problem is not that the Scots "will heal better" or "worse" if they secede from England. The fact is that the separatist spirit has always been strong in Scotland. Very strong. And the English are hated there. Seriously. By separating, the Scots show that they have a different vision of "building their own home" from the English. In addition, the Scots are ardent Puritans and all these fagot freedoms and flirting in Britain are not to their liking. It also strongly discourages restrictions on freedoms in the form of not smoking in pubs, restricting the sale of cigarettes, etc. The Scots also stand for a tough migrant policy - they want to practically stop foreign migration to them. Well, of course, they say that the Tories have accumulated debts, etc. and we do not want to pay for them. That is, they associate all these cuts in wages and higher taxes with the need to pay off some loans and credits by England. I don’t know if they will be able to gain independence, I think, it’s unlikely, everything is too tied up there and twisted. Well, and of course, everything depends on the currency .... although, according to rumors, the introduction and circulation of foreign currency, such as the Swiss franc, is being considered. Although, in fact, we are not talking about complete independence, everyone wants independence, but in the form of a union.
  31. VkadimirEfimov1942
    VkadimirEfimov1942 1 August 2013 14: 59 New
    +3
    After the proclamation of independence of Scotland, England will become a poor country, and as in Anderson's fairy tale: "... and the king is naked!" What will the reptile do then? Of course this is a matter for the Scots, but I welcome a reasonable choice!
  32. crasever
    crasever 1 August 2013 15: 37 New
    +1
    We must pay tribute to the English gentlemen - they strictly follow the democratic procedure for the withdrawal of a separate part of the country from a previously whole state (that is, they would teach democracy led by Saakashvili !!!). At one time, Great Britain strongly supported the independence of Kosovo, but now it itself is compelled to participate in the process of individual peoples gaining their independent states !!!
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 1 August 2013 15: 51 New
      +1
      they strictly follow the democratic procedure for the exit of a separate part of the country from a previously integral state

      But what about the no-fly zone and the democratic blows of the Tomahawks?
  33. 12345
    12345 1 August 2013 15: 44 New
    +2
    USA - sell weapons to Tajiks?

    We will arm the freedom-loving independent Scottish people!

    Freedom of Occupied Scotland! Down with the invaders!

    Don’t stomp on Scotland!

    Well, and there, and - for the rights of the oppressed indigenous population of North America is not a sin to take. Genocide - whatever you say ...

    Again: "ENOUGH TO FEED TEXAS all other states!"

    In a word, there are options for an "asymmetric" answer ...
  34. W-pott
    W-pott 1 August 2013 15: 45 New
    -7
    There are a lot of comments like: "I hope I will live to see the day when Ireland, Wales, Gibraltar will fall off from them ......... I think a skinned British cat will look cool ............. .. "

    It seems to me from a multinational country like Russia, opinions on the final collapse of the British Empire should be slightly different. If Russia were not next on the list.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 1 August 2013 15: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: W-pott
      . If Russia were not next on the list.

      You will stop waiting!
      1. W-pott
        W-pott 1 August 2013 16: 21 New
        -5
        Yes, I do not wait. It is you who are waiting for the Russians and rejoice over the collapse of others, thinking that it will never affect you.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 1 August 2013 16: 25 New
          +6
          Quote: W-pott
          It is you who are waiting for the Russians and rejoice over the collapse of others, thinking that it will never affect you.

          Yes, we were already ruined in 1991, although my phrase doesn’t reach everyone
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 1 August 2013 16: 45 New
          +7
          It is you who are waiting for the Russians and rejoice over the collapse of others, thinking that it will never affect you.

          That is, the collapse of the USSR - is it like fantasy? And no one saw this, no one survived, no one survived in the dashing 90s? Including in Ukraine. And in other republics. Or didn’t you find these times?
          We do not wait, we are not happy with the disintegration of others, but we are patient people and we wish everyone to be given their due. Now comes the echo of the efforts to break up the USSR, to those who gave birth to it.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 1 August 2013 17: 54 New
            +4
            Quote: Wedmak
            That is, the collapse of the USSR - is it like fantasy? And no one saw this, no one survived, no one survived in the dashing 90s? Including in Ukraine. And in other republics. Or didn’t you find these times?
            We do not wait, we are not happy with the disintegration of others, but we are patient people and we wish everyone to be given their due. Now comes the echo of the efforts to break up the USSR, to those who gave birth to it.

            gold words...
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 1 August 2013 15: 55 New
      +4
      If Russia were not next on the list.

      Are there any prerequisites? I don’t seem to see it, but in Ukraine, they are already very visible. The USA is not all right, although they are silent about it. Great Britain is convulsively intimidating its subjects, so that they think about separation.

      Russia, although a multinational country, has never been more numerous people oppressed the lesser. Moreover, he did not conquer anyone with rivers of blood and exponential executions.
      1. W-pott
        W-pott 1 August 2013 16: 19 New
        -7
        "Russia is a multinational country, but never has a more numerous people oppressed a less numerically small one. Moreover, it has never conquered anyone with rivers of blood and demonstrative executions."

        Are you kidding me like that? The Caucasus, as peacefully joined, is so peaceful and restrained.

        "Are there any prerequisites?" We have already been to Chechnya twice. And suddenly, like 15 years later, several million Chinese in the Far East want to be reunited with their homeland.

        So do not laugh at the integrity problems of other countries.
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 16: 21 New
          +8
          Nobody laughs, soon you and my brother will not unite together, but if you are a Westerner and Bendera then before the reunion, I'm sorry for the pope, we will go through the rods so that the brains fall into place.
          1. W-pott
            W-pott 1 August 2013 16: 38 New
            -10
            How old are you? Tilt The level of kindergarten or kindergarten club.
            1. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 16: 49 New
              +3
              Take higher, do not trade for trifles.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 1 August 2013 16: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: W-pott
          What if, after 15 years, several million Chinese in the Far East want to reunite with their homeland

          Have you seen millions of Chinese people in the Far East laughing
          Quote: W-pott
          So do not laugh at the integrity problems of other countries.

          Oh sho, in Ukraine there were no problems, worry about Russia yes wink
          1. W-pott
            W-pott 1 August 2013 16: 39 New
            -5
            No, I’m somehow more for Britain. But the fact that you are not worried about Russia is bad.
            1. ariy_t
              ariy_t 1 August 2013 17: 13 New
              +2
              Listen, my friend, here they are discussing an article about Britain ... What the hell did you get in with a different court topic ?? A trident in the sirloin portion of pricks ??? lol
              1. W-pott
                W-pott 1 August 2013 17: 33 New
                -6
                And what does your fillet have to do with Britain? Do not be rude.
        3. Wedmak
          Wedmak 1 August 2013 16: 56 New
          +3
          The Caucasus, as peacefully joined, is so peaceful and restrained.

          Uh ... well, yes, here you are right, conquered. But with the arrival of us there, the remnants of the Middle Ages were outlived. And this will seem like babble in comparison with the conquests of the USA and Great Britain, Spain, France, where the richest countries were driven into the Stone Age with a sword, cannons and tomahawks.
          "Are there any prerequisites?" We have already been to Chechnya twice.

          The nest of terrorism (now almost broken) is financed by the same Western elite in order to drag Russia into the war and prevent the economy from rising.
          And suddenly, like in 15 years, several million Chinese in the Far East will want to reunite with their homeland.

          Uh ... where's their homeland? Far East - our territory for a long time.
          So do not laugh at the integrity problems of other countries.

          No one laughs, everyone is watching with satisfaction what England will do in the same situation as we were before.
          1. W-pott
            W-pott 1 August 2013 17: 26 New
            -8
            "where the richest countries were driven into the Stone Age by sword, cannon and tomahawk."

            That is, soldering the fiery water of the American Indians is bad, and the peoples of the North - an introduction to civilization. Throw it, and the British Empire and the Russian Empire, and others in the process of expansion, let’s say so, did not treat the conquered (connected) peoples very well.

            "the remnants of the Middle Ages are outlived" Perhaps for the conquered peoples these were not "survivals" but cultural heritage?

            "The nest of terrorism (now almost broken) financed by the same Western elite in order to drag Russia into the war and prevent the economy from rising."

            Petliurists, Bandera, forest brothers, Chechens, White Poles, dushmans, Finns, all of them are completely bandits dreaming of bringing Western Russia to their knees for the money of the West.
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            2. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 17: 34 New
              +4
              Quote: W-pott








              Petliurists, Bandera, forest brothers, Chechens, White Poles, dushmans, Finns, all of them are completely bandits dreaming of bringing Western Russia to their knees for the money of the West.


              Here you are absolutely right, that the bandits, but their dreams will not come true.
              1. W-pott
                W-pott 1 August 2013 18: 16 New
                -6
                Thank God for the finals, Poles, Afghans, Balts, they still managed to realize their dreams. So do not rejoice too much.
                1. tilovaykrisa
                  tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 19: 04 New
                  +4
                  The Afghans are happy to tears, they are now arrived as Gaster in Europe, Finns in parliament are discussing the issue of unification with the Russian Federation or the conclusion of an alliance ........ Well, the rest is shitty, but it just died.
                2. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 1 August 2013 20: 19 New
                  +3
                  Thank God for the finals, Poles, Afghans, Balts, they still managed to realize their dreams. So do not rejoice too much.

                  I don’t quite understand, where does the Afghans, Poles and Finns ... Why rejoice? They dig a hole for themselves. And the farther, the deeper. Neither together, nor separately, they cannot do anything to Russia. Neither militarily, nor politically or economically. But to earn a bad reputation in the international political arena can be EASY! This is primarily true for the Baltic states.
            3. Wedmak
              Wedmak 1 August 2013 20: 13 New
              +3
              That is, soldering the fire water of the American Indians is bad

              Soldering? That is, how hundreds of them were shot, driven off on a reservation, poisoned by diseases, there was a real war to conquer the territory - are these trifles? And the main thing is soldering? !!! belay
              and the peoples of the North - an introduction to civilization.

              And have you drunk a lot? Where are those Indians now and where are the peoples of the server? Let me remind you: the Indians on the reservations are dying of old age, and the peoples of the north still breed deer and hunt walrus. By the way, they are not bad at mastering the fruits of civilization, such as walkie-talkies, good guns, television and the Internet.
              Throw it, and the British Empire and the Russian Empire, and others in the process of expansion, let’s say so, did not treat the conquered (connected) peoples very well.

              So let's not compare the expansion of Russia and Europe. If you measure in corpses (excuse me), Russia cannot be compared with the European countries, Great Britain or the USA! We are against the background of these monsters just white and fluffy!
              Petliurists, Bandera, forest brothers, Chechens, White Poles, dushmans, Finns, all of them are completely bandits dreaming of bringing Western Russia to their knees for the money of the West.

              Yeah, there were many who wanted to. As they walked, they helped with money. Everyone remained rotting in the ground.
              1. Selevc
                Selevc 2 August 2013 08: 51 New
                +4
                By the way, do not forget that the Anglo-Saxon world has already mastered two continents almost completely clearing them !!! England is the only country in the world that has destroyed an entire nation (Tasmanians) - all of them one by one !!! At the beginning of the 20th century, there was already an attempt to clean China, too (Opium Wars) ... Democratic America in the 19th century introduced the Law on Forced Castration of Newborn Indian Boys on Reserves !!!

                Against this background, Russia - which built a lot of things in the Baltic states, Afghanistan, Poland, looks at all NOT ANY OCCUPIOR - it was rather partnerships !!!
        4. duke
          duke 1 August 2013 19: 38 New
          +6
          attached - who is this ??? First, do not forget that Russia went from Kiev and the Russians never considered their people beyond the Dnieper to be strangers, much less they were not annexed, and often the princes from Novgorod ruled in Kiev and vice versa, you can blame that the Kiev prince Yuri Dolgoruky and Moscow founded ??? And Yaroslav planted the son of Alexander Nevsky in Novgorod ??? What are you talking about??? Maybe pickle? And then I look at the bad mood and of course they are to blame for everything? ... The fact that Belarusians and Ukrainians have their own dialect under the influence of Poland and Lithuania does not mean that they have become a very special people. Speaking of Belarusians, no one ever said a bad word, because, for the most part, they are calm people with sound judgments, and there’s no joke about them.
          1. svp67
            svp67 1 August 2013 19: 40 New
            0
            Quote: duke
            First, do not forget that Russia went from Kiev
            It remains only to remember where it came from ... Russia did not "go" from Kiev, it continued there ...
            In the Arabic sources of the 10th century, the point of as-Slavia (Slava, Salau) is mentioned as one of the three centers of the Rus along with Cuiaba (Kiev) and Artania (identification unclear)
        5. MVS
          MVS 1 August 2013 19: 43 New
          +2
          Quote: W-pott



          "Are there any prerequisites?" We have already been to Chechnya twice. And suddenly, like 15 years later, several million Chinese in the Far East want to be reunited with their homeland.

          So do not laugh at the integrity problems of other countries.

          Do not fool around. The population of the Far East (total) 6,3 million people. Illegal settlements for 9 million people (if you take all 6 million as Chinese) can not be. And about Chechnya - it is now relatively calm. And the rest of the Caucasus does not seek separation. So watch yourself better, but what to laugh at and what not to do is our business.
    3. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 16: 18 New
      0
      They just drank our blood much more than all the rest taken together, soon there will be a referendum on the Crimea, the result is known in advance, well, with a quiet glanders and we will return the dredges handed out drunk to our Poor Ruler of 90.
    4. Russkiy_Prapor
      Russkiy_Prapor 2 August 2013 12: 49 New
      0
      Separatism will not work for us (the army will quickly explain to the renegades where and when they were wrong), but in the UK and the USA it’s easy with their fake democracies)))
  35. falcon
    falcon 1 August 2013 16: 12 New
    +3
    It would be nice for the British to remember the saying: "Living in a glass house should not throw stones."
  36. knn54
    knn54 1 August 2013 16: 28 New
    +2
    What would you feel: an unmanned zone over Scotland, Catalonia and the Basque Country. And to deliver “non-lethal” weapons to free nations to protect their rights ...
    - An independent Scotland will have to re-apply for membership in the European Union.
    And they themselves want to go out, they even promised a prize. And which, by the way, is no reason.
  37. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 17: 04 New
    +2
    The gdp made a speech this evening that he, as the president of a democratic state, fully supports the decision of the Scots and that every nation on the territory of the Angian state has the right to self-determination, and something like: "It's time to admit to the British that the time of tyranny is over !!"
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 1 August 2013 20: 04 New
      +1
      Seriously? That is, he threw the British the same card that they throw on every occasion of the arrival of democracy in a foreign country? Ah yes well done.
      Nevertheless, I wonder how the UK will behave if the Scots decide to separate.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 20: 39 New
        +4
        If you really look at things, they won’t give it, it’s a dangerous precedent, so first they will scare, then persuade and promise the gingerbread cookies, then they will cling to some kind of legal case and try to stretch the process for 20 years, if this does not work, then they will go straight suppression, such was already in 80 in the IRA and mind you did not hesitate to shoot civilians.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 1 August 2013 20: 52 New
          +1
          Perhaps you are right. But suppression by force is also a dangerous precedent. So you can run into the revolution. Um ... just imagine a revolution in England! There it seems they had something similar, but for a long time and more consistent with the civil war.
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 21: 37 New
            +2
            Google events in duplicate and the formation of the IRA, it existed and it’s only gained strength just during the conflict in 80, there are still areas where they can kill for a T-shirt with a flag. There really was a war, not Chechnya, of course, but not the dispersal of demonstrators. And to suppress the uprising .... no one has any more experience in this business like theirs.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 1 August 2013 21: 38 New
            +2
            Quote: Wedmak
            Um ... just imagine a revolution in England! There it seems they had something similar, but for a long time and more consistent with the civil war.

            There the state machine works clearly !!
  38. Djozz
    Djozz 1 August 2013 17: 54 New
    +1
    No, their queen, in her old age, took care of the problem of gays, it seems to me that this is more important for her than the branches of Scotland, the "elite" is degenerating! And where are our "common people", how dare Scotland.
  39. alone
    alone 1 August 2013 20: 50 New
    0
    in general, if at home you are waging war by bandit separatists, you should not rejoice in the same phenomenon in other states.
  40. GUSAR
    GUSAR 1 August 2013 21: 22 New
    0
    Nowhere Scotland, Northern Ireland, Corsica, Catalonia, the Basque Country will not separate - the bottom line is that WHY do they need it ???
  41. user
    user 1 August 2013 21: 22 New
    -1
    Scottish Independence Referendum (2014)
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1
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  42. user
    user 1 August 2013 21: 24 New
    -1
    Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond and his deputy, Nikola Sturgeon, launch the National Conversation project on August 14, 2007.Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond and his deputy, Nikola Sturgeon, launch the National Conversation project on August 14, 2007.
  43. user
    user 1 August 2013 21: 27 New
    -1
    Scottish independence
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%81%D0
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  44. user
    user 1 August 2013 21: 29 New
    0
    Nationalist inscription in Edinburgh End the rule of London
  45. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 1 August 2013 21: 32 New
    0
    Ravens in the tower: fly, fly, fly apart.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 21: 33 New
      +1
      Mb Flock the crow a feast soon!
  46. rodevaan
    rodevaan 2 August 2013 04: 45 New
    +1
    Down with the bloody regime of the English killers! Freedom to the Scottish people!
    Scotland must be independent!

    We will support the undertakings and aspirations of William Wallace and Robert I Bruce for gaining the national independence of the Scottish people and the intention to put an end to the British boot!

    I am for the separation of Scotland! drinks
  47. Nitarius
    Nitarius 2 August 2013 06: 56 New
    0
    The people we love to mock! But in fact, there is testing of another model!
    If Scotland separates, it will write off colossal debts!
    In the future, AMERICA will probably behave this way to get rid of external debt!
  48. Betahon
    Betahon 2 August 2013 08: 28 New
    0
    Very good news!
    Of course, the entire ideological apparatus must strain itself in order to "heat up" the split and then separate Scotland and England. This move must be planned in detail, so how MI-5 and MI-6 will be counteracted together with the whole Department of BSN.
    The special role of the "Trojan horse" should be assigned to the rather large Scottish diaspora in Russia.
    The freedom and independence of Scotland!
  49. Lk17619
    Lk17619 2 August 2013 09: 19 New
    0
    It is necessary to bring down specifically the Englishwoman. Ireland disconnect!
  50. V. Ushakov
    V. Ushakov 2 August 2013 09: 51 New
    0
    Behind the collapse of the Union, came the collapse of the whole World. Next in line are China, the USA, Brazil, and from small countries - whatever, at least Georgia ...