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A visit to the fleets by Marshal of the Soviet Union by the Chief Inspector M. O. USSR M. K. S.

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A visit to the fleets by Marshal of the Soviet Union by the Chief Inspector M. O. USSR M. K. S.On the main inspector M. O. USSR in the Armed Forces there were many different tales. Indeed, for many years this important place for the defense of the country was held by a man of old age, as well as the General Secretaries of the Central Committee of the CPSU of that time. He would sit on the stove, and he depicted a thunderstorm of the Armed Forces.


Here are a few stories related to Marshal of the Soviet Union visiting the Chief Inspector M. O. USSR M. K. S. of various fleets.

The Baltic Fleet

During the inspection, command post exercises were held. Commander at the beginning of the exercise fleet reported to the Chief Inspector his decision on the withdrawal of fleet forces through the strait zone into the North Sea and the Atlantic. It was a very difficult task, because previously required to capture the entire pouring zone to ensure unhindered passage of ships. The Decision Document consisted of several glued sea charts on which the main actions of the fleet forces were plotted, taking into account the possible opposition of the forces of the probable enemy.

Back in the 5 class of a seven-year school, I was taught that the Gulf of Bothnia has shallow depths and is limited to shipping. In VVMU this was confirmed in a significantly expanded volume. Moreover, we all know that the bay is a part of the ocean, sea or lake, which penetrates deep into the land, but has free water exchange with the main part of the reservoir. On the sea charts, the northern part and the coastline of the Gulf of Bothnia, as a rule, are not shown, since no navigation value. The Chief Inspector, lulled by the ComFlot report, peacefully snuffled. Suddenly he woke up, carefully looked at the scheme and interrupted the admiral's report with a question: “Why do we throw all our forces through the pouring zone (shown on the diagram as a bottleneck), while you can go to the North Atlantic through the wide Gulf of Bothnia?” At first, the Commander thought that Marshal was joking, and he fell silent, not knowing how to argue so as not to offend him. Everyone in the hall during the report also stopped, no one could have imagined such a question. But the admiral was not in such alterations, an experienced sailor and military leader, and in such a situation he found a way out. “We will consider this question next time. Your remark will be considered our omission. ” Marshal smiled and the report continued. All were satisfied.

Pacific Fleet

After completing the inspection of the Baltic Fleet, Marshal flew to the Pacific Fleet. He was met by the Senior Marine Head of Khabarovsk, the commander of the 49 Red Banner River Ships Division, Rear Admiral A. A. Appolonov. A guard of honor was lined up at the Bolshoi Khabarovsk military airfield. Descending from the ramp, the Marshal headed towards the meeting persons. By giving the command: “Attention. For the meeting on the right, to the guard! ”Rear Admiral A. Appolonov approached the Chief Inspector and gave a report. In response, deathly silence. Marshal looked closely at Appolonov, without uttering a word. Suddenly, the lieutenant general behind the Marshal, a tall man, in a military manner, pulled up, towering above the undersized Marshal, said loudly, addressing Appolonov: “He doesn’t hear. You scream to him. He will see your mouth open and realize that you are reporting ... ”. The rear admiral complied with the recommendation of the general. When Appolon finished screaming, Marshal saw that he closed his mouth and was silent, then the Chief Inspector greeted him and went to the car, which was waiting for him in 10 meters from the plane. Thus began the inspection of the Pacific Fleet by the M.O. inspection in the summer of 1978.

A few days later the Marshal arrived in Vladivostok, where the inspectors were already working, checking the fleet units and connections. In the evening, after listening to the latest report, the Marshal expressed a desire to watch a movie. He had several favorite films, including “Jolly Fellows”, “Volga-Volga”, and others. The Marshal's Adjutant drove these films with him so as not to search locally. This time, the entire inspectorate, which has seen these films hundreds of times already, was “punished” with the film Volga-Volga.

Everyone sat down in the small hall, and the film began. After 5 minutes, the marshal fell asleep, lightly snuffling in his sleep. After sustaining another 10 minutes, the movie stopped showing. They woke up Marshall and said that the film was over. The adjutant hinted to the Chief Inspector that the time was later and it was time to rest. Everyone who was on the viewing went to the exit from the fleet headquarters. Suddenly the Marshal stopped and said that he would like to watch another episode of the film he liked. Then he turned and went back to the cinema and fell asleep again. "Torture" continued. The next day, a parade of fleet rear officers was conducted. It was something. The truckers were last seen at the 10-15 years ago. Their bearing left much to be desired. People in the pre-retirement age, with bellies that hung over the ceremonial belts, they could hardly serve as an example of bravado for young people. Suddenly, and no one expected this, when passing the rear men, the system sounded: "Sing a song." Then the officers of the 4 (artillery-missile) department of the fleet struck at once: “Artillerymen, Stalin gave the order!”. The inspectors froze and remained silent until the end of the passage of the ranks of the officers, who picked up the familiar words of a well-known song from childhood.

Russian proverb says: "What is pop, so is the parish." In the USSR at the end of the seventies, the country's leadership consisted of long-livers who had long passed for 70. They held on to their positions with all that they could. They were not at all embarrassed by the question that by their inaction they only harm the Sun and the whole country. Together with the decrepit Chief Inspector of the profits and its general inspectors. One such 75 aged people moved around the city of Vladivostok in a passenger car, which was constantly followed by an ambulance car.

The last stage of the test was in Kamchatka. Marshal, an avid hunter, expressed a desire to "go to the bear." There were lots of bears. Developed a special operation codenamed "Bear." She was given special attention by the command, because the operation "Tiger" was canceled. Back in Primorye, Marshal prepared a special tribune, which cost the fleet 25.000 rubles. and a tiger to shoot. But it is not clear why the Marshal refused to hunt. Most likely, he was dissuaded, referring to the fact that only 59 tigers remained in the taiga.

So bear. We decided to take the beast from the air. We flew two helicopters. In one was Marshal, in the other accompanying persons. Seeing a running bear, the Chief Inspector took aim and fired a shotgun. At the same moment, from the second helicopter, according to the bear, they gave a line of a large-caliber machine gun and, just in case, threw an anti-tank grenade. The hunt was a success. The beast was defeated. Marshal was pleased.

Northern Fleet

The next target of his attention was the Northern Fleet. Knowing that when visiting the Northern Fleet, party and government leaders always visited submarines, the Marshal also decided to go out to sea on one of them.

It was a diesel missile boat XNUMHA project. Rising aboard, Marshal, along with the commander remained on the bridge before arriving at the dive point. The commander gave the appropriate orders, and the crew of the boat prepared to dive. Having received a report from the CP about this, the commander reported: "Comrade Marshal, allow me to dive?". Marshal agreed, the commander became ill. What did the commander hear? It turns out that Marshal said to him: “You dive, and I’ll stand here ...”.

After a short voyage, the Marshal arrived at the CP accompanied by an adjutant. After listening to the report of the commander, Marshal turned to the adjutant with the words: “We shall put on clothes” and took back his hands, waiting for his overcoat to be put on. Then he went to the ladder and began to climb to the bridge, forgetting that the boat is at a depth of 60 meters. It was necessary for the commander to explain again to the Chief Inspector that the boat was at depth, and in order to reach the bridge, it was necessary to ascend.

It would be fun if it were not so sad when you see who held such high posts in the state and did not understand at all that with their actions they caused direct harm to the defense capability of our state.
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  1. OCD
    OCD 1 August 2013 09: 18 New
    +8
    That was then. And now ..pumps and thieves like Taburetkin. No progress.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 1 August 2013 09: 37 New
      +2
      Well, not everyone was like that then ...
      But many.
      And they ask, why did the Soviet Union collapse?
      1. Containers
        Containers 1 August 2013 23: 21 New
        +5
        The union fell apart due to the fact that a bald man came to power with a stain on this bald head. The accelerator and pluralizer of figs ...
    2. Gari
      Gari 1 August 2013 09: 48 New
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      Marshal Baghramyan with 1954-1955 years was the Chief Inspector of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR.
      also since 1968, as Inspector General of the Group of Inspectors General of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR.
      During the Caribbean crisis, I. Kh. Baghramyan led the development of a plan for the delivery and deployment of the Soviet group of troops in Cuba and led the operation from the USSR. The famous operation "Anadyr"
      With his health, everything was in order as well as others, do not judge one by one
      all the more, it was already under Brezhnev, everyone in the political bureau was old, and the old man was respected for his former merits, and what did the defense capability of the Soviet Army fall?
      Yes, the whole world was trembling from the might of the Soviet Army
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 1 August 2013 13: 17 New
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        Quote: Gari
        Marshal Baghramyan with 1954-1955 years was the Chief Inspector of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR.


        I do not understand why minus?
        Catch a plus, Gary.

        And the article is mixed.
        How to read stories is normal.
        And the message that inspectors general harmed the country's defense is an obvious bust.
        Yes, the old people were malekho insanely (we will all be like that), but there was more benefit than the absence of such inspectors.
        Continuity of generations, rich experience and other things will never hinder the sun.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 1 August 2013 20: 21 New
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          I will supplement also:

          When checking with the generals, I somehow didn’t meet, the bird is not on the same flight, so to speak.

          But with his retinue ... no one asks for a wish.
          The reviewers for me were divided into three categories:
          - Line Officers and Partsaccidentally caught in this whirl.
          They were not difficult to distinguish from the staff - they felt out of place. But when they realized that there was no catch, they calmly carried out their work, without making tricks to their verification. Most often, they helped and advised in the process of their activities. At the end of the test they asked directly - what grade do you want?
          After scoring, they willingly go to kebabs, make friends or at least have a good relationship.
          - Pedants. There are such dry hook specialists. Those who know their work almost by heart and who are superbly versed in everything, but very difficult "in life". Unwanted for checking for the most, they find fault with everything, even the nut and oil separator. But they give an honest assessment, although they often belittle it. It is impossible to come to an agreement with them, everyone is perceived with suspicion.
          - Staff boorsspecifically seeking to enter the inspection building. These will not be missed, they believe that the absence of a profitable gain or acquisition for verification is a mediocre verification. We are ready to pocket everything that we liked, from the property of the unit to the personal belongings in the DOS of the inspected officer, or, at worst, the use of equipment and personnel for their own purposes. Practically only depends on this assessment.

          The “retinue” of the inspector is the most important, and not her superior.

          And the retirement age generals are the same people - there are legends that really "shake" part of it, but there is ... everything else.
          But honored veterans are truly worthy of respect for their merits. And all sorts of stories always "go" in parts, for that she and the Army.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 2 August 2013 12: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Marshal Baghramyan with 1954-1955 years was the Chief Inspector of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR.

          For the Soviet Union it was a big disaster!
          There was more harm than good from this warlord !!
          Just friendship with Zhukov and Mikoyan saved him not only life, but also allowed him to move up the career ladder, leaving behind the more deserved and capable military commanders!
          1. old man54
            old man54 2 August 2013 17: 08 New
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            Quote: Yarbay
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Marshal Baghramyan with 1954-1955 years was the Chief Inspector of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR.

            For the Soviet Union it was a big disaster!
            There was more harm than good from this warlord !!

            in vain you are so, Yurbay! The fact that Marshal Baghramyan was an Armenian by blood does not give you the right to haunt the great commander of the Second World War, a soldier of that war and an honored commander in the post-war construction of the USSR army! I did not expect from you, disappointed, sorry! request negative
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 2 August 2013 17: 19 New
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              Quote: old man54
              in vain you are so, Yurbay! The fact that Marshal Baghramyan was an Armenian by blood does not give you the right to harass the great commander of the Second World War, a soldier of that war and an honored military commander in post-war construction under the USSR! I did not expect from you, disappointed, sorry!

              Come on you !!
              I repeat Baghramyan was not a well-deserved commander!
              it concerns Babajanyan too!
              So if they are Armenians should I be silent ??
              I gave facts about him and Babajanyan a hundred times!
              Take an interest, insist I will expose again!
              I will say briefly in my entire life and during the war Baghramyan neither commanded a platoon, nor a company, nor a battalion, nor a regiment, nor a division !!
              He was at headquarters and at the end of the war, thanks to his friendship with Zhukov, he became a commanding front !!

              this is not my assessment, but that of Comrade Stalin !!
              June 26, 1942 I.V. Stalin sent a personal letter to the command of the Southwestern Front, which said:
              «We are here in Moscow - the members of the Defense Committee and the people from the General Staff decided to remove Comrade Comrade Chief of Staff of the Southwestern Front. Baghramyan.
              Comrade Baghramyan does not satisfy the Headquarters, not only as the chief of staff, called upon to strengthen COMMUNICATION AND LEADERSHIP by the armies, but does not satisfy the Headquarters, and as a simple informant obliged to honestly and truthfully report to the Headquarters on the situation at the front.
              Moreover, Comrade Baghramyan was unable to draw a lesson from the catastrophe that erupted on the Southwestern Front. For any three weeks, the Southwest Front, thanks to his frivolity, not only lost the half-won Kharkov operation, but still managed to give the enemy 10-20 divisions. This is a disaster, which in its disastrous results is tantamount to a catastrophe with Rennenkampf and Samsonov in East Prussia. After all that happened comrade. Baghramyan could, if he wanted to, learn a lesson and learn something. Unfortunately, this is not yet visible. Now, as before the disaster, the connection between the headquarters and the armies remains unsatisfactory, the information is poor ...

              An old friend, Zhukov, saved him from execution, having vouched for him !!

              During World War II as a result of the offensive
              operations Soviet troops reached the Baltic Sea. General Baghramyan
              decided to effectively inform Stalin about this by sending him a bottle of Baltic water.
              But while the adjutant brought this bottle to the Kremlin by plane, the Germans managed
              beat off the bridgehead and squeeze our troops off the coast. Adjutant about it
              I didn’t know, but Stalin already knew, and when they handed him the bottle, he said:
              - Return it to comrade Bagramyan, let him pour it into the Baltic Sea!
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 2 August 2013 17: 45 New
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                Quote: Yarbay
                We are here in Moscow - members of the Defense Committee and people from the General Staff

                Quote: Yarbay
                Return it to comrade Bagramyan, let him pour it into the Baltic Sea!


                Greetings, Alibek!

                These facts have long been known.
                But there is merit as the commander of the 1 Baltic Front in the Belarusian strategic offensive operation, especially the secretive troop transfer with a blow to Klaipeda (this is studied in academies).
                And the capture of the impregnable Koenigsberg by the Zemland group of forces under his command is a completely unique operation.

                Something like that.
                Maybe I don’t know something unsightly in his story ... tell me, it’s really interesting.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 2 August 2013 18: 18 New
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                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  These facts have long been known.
                  But there is merit as the commander of the 1st Baltic Front in the Belarusian strategic offensive,

                  I’m talking about the fact that he was not deservedly moving !!
                  and many people do not know the facts I wrote!
                  Anyone else for what happened on the Southwestern Front would have been simply shot, and he would be assigned to command the front later !!
                  At least he was an ardent dashnak and actively participated in Dashnak gangs!
                  After the victory, the Bolsheviks went over to the Bolsheviks!

                  For what Merits have appointed him a commanding front, we must start from this!
                  Answer me, as a person who never commanded any minor unit, can be appointed commanding front ???
                  it's just a spit to the military generals!
                  Ditched 20 divisions and is it a genius ??

                  And the hidden transfer described by you is neither Baghramyan’s invention and you know it very well, he realized it! There would be another commander, he would have realized!
                  You know, there was such a senior lieutenant of Kazakh Mamyshuly Baurzhan in the Panfilov’s division, about which I wrote an article for our site, but the admins refused to publish due to the fact that when a couple of lines were written in some article about him!
                  So, Mamyshuly, thanks to his courage and talent as a senior lieutenant, commanded one of the Panfilov regiments, in a short time he became a colonel and a hero of the USSR !!
                  He entered the history of military science as the author of tactical maneuvers and strategies that are still being studied at military universities. He gave lectures on combat training during a visit to Cuba in 1963 (published in Spanish-language newspapers).
                  He met with the Minister of Defense of Cuba, Raul Castro, and was awarded the title of Honorary Commander of the 51st Regiment of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Cuba.
                  Volokolamsk Highway has become a must-read book for Palm members, and later for Israeli Defense Forces officers!
                  In military schools of the USA, Cuba, Israel, Nicaragua, the military experience of Momyshuly is separately studied.
                  But this hero not only did not receive command of the front or army, but until the end of his life did not even give the rank of general !!

                  The answer is clear why?
                  He was not a friend of Zhukov, he was not a sneak!
                  He had no friend Mikoyan !!

                  He was a direct and uncomfortable person !!
                  1. old man54
                    old man54 2 August 2013 22: 32 New
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                    Quote: Yarbay
                    I’m talking about the fact that he didn’t deservedly advance !! and many people, unlike you, do not know the facts written by me!

                    Well, I'm one of those who did not know such details! Thank you for giving food for thought, I will study, read about Baghramyan. hi
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 2 August 2013 23: 05 New
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                      Quote: old man54
                      Well, I'm one of those who did not know such details! Thank you for giving food for thought, I will study, read about Baghramyan

                      Yes, not counted!
                      Dear, I became interested in this a couple of years ago, when in discussion one Armenian said that they say we are the greatest 6 marshals left from one village of Chardakhly !!
                      I have so far fully studied two, Baghramyan and Babajanyan !!
                      Apparently they were just promoting each other !!
                      So Babajanyan was an even bigger pest than Baghramyan, but he was subsequently first made Marshal and then appointed commander of the armored forces !!
                      The damage done by the USSR to Marshal Babdzhanyan is impossible to evaluate !!
                      He simply threw the Soviet Union on many issues decades ago !!
                      For this, anyone would be shot, even Russian!
                      And there was such a lieutenant general Efremov, commander of the 33rd army, who was surrounded by his army and shot himself, but did not surrender to the enemy!
                      You read even on the wiki how Zhukov spoke badly of him!
                      I hung all the dogs on him!
                      What was he worse than Baghramyan?
                      1. Zynaps
                        Zynaps 5 August 2013 04: 02 New
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                        documents according to which luminaries studied, on a barrel! Documents, not reviews of the OBS agency.

                        maybe you’ll get the arrogance and go with your darned shnyag to the page to Isaev or immediately to the VIF - swing his underpants over your head, and then rake in your bosom?
                  2. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 2 August 2013 23: 51 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Anyone else for what happened on the Southwestern Front would simply be shot


                    If you are talking about the Kharkov operation, then there the whole headquarters flew off posts, including Tymoshenko himself. It’s not worth hanging all the dogs on one Baghramyan.

                    I do not know the history of this military commander so well, but before the failure of the operation from the Barvenkovo ​​ledge, Stalin promoted him in rank (in harsh times), and after repressions for the Germans going to the Caucasus and Stalingrad, he allowed him to serve and assigned the rank of GSS for the Belarusian operation, something It’s indicative.
                    So it’s not so simple.
                    I definitely won’t support the negative about him, maybe I don’t know.

                    Alibek, you studied his service in more depth, if there is something little known, share, please. Although a little departed from the topic of discussion.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 3 August 2013 00: 20 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Aleks tv
                      . It’s not worth hanging all the dogs on one Baghramyan.

                      Dear Alex, this offer says a lot to me and I think to any person!
                      * Comrade Baghramyan does not satisfy the Headquarters not only as the chief of staff, called upon to strengthen COMMUNICATION AND MANAGEMENT by armies, but does not satisfy the Headquarters, and as a simple informant, obliged to honestly and truthfully report to the Headquarters on the situation at the front.*
                      And they did not hang all the dogs on him; he, as chief of staff, did not fulfill his DUTIES or did not know how to fulfill !!
                      And Tymoshenko and others ??
                      They also had mistakes, but everyone has their own responsibilities !!
                      Or, he covered his superior officers and tried to please them, for which they subsequently blocked him !!
                      So I say that he was covered before Stalin Zhukov and Mikoyan and vouched for him personally Zhukov!
                      What merits vouched for ???
                      What was comrade Bagramyan noted before?
                      Only personal relationships that everyone knew about !!
                      What do you think, do not introduce him later to the Hero of the USSR, what would Zhukov look like before Stalin ?? And for what he was presented to the GSS ??
                      Do not know ??
                      He led some kind of division or army had some kind of successful operation ???
                      He had all his service at headquarters !!
                      Did he develop that operation for what the GSS was given ???
                      For what they gave him GSS, then they had to give to thousands !!
                      Read, it’s hard for me to rummage a bit in my archive at night !!
                      Do you know about Babajanyan ??
                      1. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv 3 August 2013 00: 41 New
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                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Comrade Baghramyan does not satisfy the bid

                        Yes it was. I agree for the third time.

                        Quote: Yarbay
                        And for what he was presented to the SCA ??

                        For the command of the Baltic Front:
                        Gorodok offensive operation, Vitebsk-Orsha, joint Riga and Memel operations.

                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Do you know about Babajanyan ??

                        Only rumors.

                        Alibek, it’s really not comfortable for me to dig into this - we hang around the monitors and talk about the marshal’s underwear we haven’t seen in our eyes.
                        Not for me it ...
                        I definitely will not support the negative, if there are any new facts that have not been written about, it would be interesting to hear.
                        A dispute for the sake of a dispute is not at all interesting.
                        I hope the relationship has remained normal, as before.
                        hi
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 3 August 2013 16: 28 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        I hope the relationship has remained normal, as before.

                        Of course!!
                        I understand you!
                        Everything is fine, but I'll send you something in the face!
                        And not rumors, but facts!
            2. Zynaps
              Zynaps 5 August 2013 03: 47 New
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              these are not facts, but complete bullshit, the hellish hell knows where.

              let's start a prayer.

              1. Has Baghramyan also received the Hero twice on a doom? so untalented, and Twice Hero. in the USSR there were many such mediocre and undeserved Twice Heroes?

              2. One of the few military commanders left the boiler near Kiev Baghramyan, saving people and equipment. mediocre so. also with the protection of Zhukov?

              3. opinion of comrade Stalin about Baghramyan for the Kharkov operation can be neglected. it was a typical drag from hopelessness, because the results turned out to be very painful and they also screwed up at Headquarters. among other things, Baghramyan was only developing a plan of the operation, and several other comrades — Tymoshenko and Khrushchev — were conducting it and were responsible for the results. therefore, Zhukov’s intercession was significant - remembering the defeats of 1941 could easily have been erased to dust by an intelligent general whose fault in the failure of the operation was minimal. The bet has accepted Baghramyan’s plan, ne?

              4. Operations near Zhizdra, to defeat a group of Germans in the Orel region, in the Baltic states, in Belarus and the assault of Koenigsberg, were also mediocre and Bagramyan constantly pulled out Zhukov? for some reason, after the successful command of the 16th Army at Headquarters, Baghramyan was completely trusted. and considered the opinion. but this, one must understand, Zhukov reached the Armenian lobby.

              5. For Dashnak please puff. They tried to concoct a business on Baghramyan under Yezhov, when Rokossovsky was a Polish spy and many other future honored generals and marshals testified with broken teeth and broken arms that they were Uyghur-Pakistani spies. or bring the operational development of the Cheka-OGPU on Baghramyan's affiliation with the Dashnaks.

              Well, there is no time for liars to see the biography of a marshal who studied, worked and fought in his youth. and he simply didn’t have time for any nonsense.

              6. The story about the bottle is known from Chuyev alone, and he is not a historian, but he is a publicist. in the film version of Ozerov, the same bottle of Baltic water was sent to Stalin Rokossovsky. those. it is quite possible to talk about the button accordion. and even if this story really is - how can it compromise Baghramyan?

              Well, nonsense, lying and with the aplomb of an expert.
        3. Zynaps
          Zynaps 5 August 2013 03: 53 New
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          dadadadad. and this friendship helped to earn two Golden Stars of the Hero of the Soviet Union and to conduct many brilliant operations. and at the Headquarters at the same time, the boys cut into cards and did not suspect that they had such an imaginary luminaries in command of the armies.

          well, if you yourself are not seven spans in the forehead. others why keep idiots?
  2. psdf
    psdf 2 August 2013 18: 09 New
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    Somehow not quite suitable place for retelling of tales.
    It seems that the resource is not completely humorous.
    1. alone
      alone 3 August 2013 13: 00 New
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      and further. in the Kiev disaster of the southwestern front, where, as everyone knows, the Germans surrounded and destroyed 5 Soviet armies, there were more than 600 thousand prisoners,
      The head of the front’s operations department was Baghramyan. Anyone who served in the army knows who the chief of the operations department of the headquarters is.
  • My address
    My address 1 August 2013 09: 18 New
    +5
    This is Moss. Alenko. Khrushchev's favorite. Heard by old tank men in Mongolia in the 70. Politically and mildly, they did not respect him in the army.
    1. berimor
      berimor 1 August 2013 14: 34 New
      +5
      I do not know! I came under the inspection of the Ministry of Defense under the leadership of ENO. Yes, an old man, yes, he was cold in his overcoat at the checkpoint, but he asked questions correctly and the bison were such members that the bones cracked. And now everything is covered, everything is bought and everything is grace. In Ukraine, when checking almost immediately poses an almost direct question - HOW MUCH?
  • vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 1 August 2013 09: 29 New
    +8
    Article minus. . What did the author want to say with this article? Soldier tales?
    So what if the marshal did not know the depths of the bay and loved the Volga-Volga. Well, the Marshal did not know this and much more. He has a "flock of greyhound" inspectors who know everything and turn everything and everyone inside out. During the service, I had seen enough of young inspectors, both in the Soviet and Russian army, who asked such questions during inspections that sometimes you do not know how to answer. He made out laughter, but at the same time understood that the infantry general from the Defense Inspectorate could not know the technology and tactics of the Strategic Missile Forces.
    In short, the article looks like a joke about a stupid general and a soldier's dock. The bucket is a synchrophasotron. Etc.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 1 August 2013 13: 16 New
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      Maybe, well, for example, remember what tells your inspector such a forgotten concept as "military duty"? No, I understand that military duty is not for a paradise group, but ... So this very duty tells the inspector not to fool before you to portray (clowns and without superiors in abundance) but to prepare questions for verification. Independently familiarize yourself with the fact that the general’s brain can master, then check it and ask about what you understand!
      With the aim, among other things, of increasing the defense capability of the inspected unit. And then valiant inspectors have a lot of ideas, but they somehow forget about this. First of all, because there is little interest in some sort of defense capability ...
      1. berimor
        berimor 1 August 2013 15: 03 New
        +7
        At one time, the commander of the 8th OA of Air Defense Prudnikov demanded that the inspectors not only verify, but first and foremost teach and help, and this required the inspector to have good professional training and thorough preparation for the inspection !!!
    2. old man54
      old man54 1 August 2013 22: 33 New
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      Quote: vlbelugin
      So what if the marshal did not know the depths of the bay

      Sorry, but you’re probably not “marine,” so you haven’t entered the topic either. It’s not the depths of the Gulf of Bothnia, in general, I don’t know them either, and I think that a lot of KDBF officers don’t know them, that’s not the point. But the bottom line is that even in high school geography classes study the seas and straits, especially our main ones, and everyone with a solid "4" should know that the Baltic Sea connects to the Atlantic (via the North Sea) only through the Danish straits (their 3 but they are very small and only the seaman know their names). The Danish Straits are therefore Danish because they are located in Denmark, i.e. she controls them anyway! And the Gulf of Bothnia of the Baltic Sea is stretched strictly to the north and is located north of the entrance to the Gulf of Finland. This is the bay !! and not a strait and through it it is impossible to enter the Atlantic Oceanrounding the Scandinavian peninsula from the north! Sorry for the educational program. hi
  • Net
    Net 1 August 2013 09: 29 New
    +5
    Probably like many, an interesting surname became, but after looking at the list of marshals of the USSR, every third last official post in the Defense Ministry was held in the group of general inspectors of the Armed Forces. Such a club of pensioners or something, which was visited by many famous WWII marshals.
    1. Generalissimus
      Generalissimus 1 August 2013 10: 19 New
      +6
      You're right. In the Soviet Union, the service of general inspectors of the USSR Ministry of Defense was called even more divine.
      As a matter of fact, after the end of the "real" service, all the honored marshals and generals were enrolled there to live out their lives. In the truest sense of the word.
      Almost everyone you can remember went through this “house of worship”.
      In addition, this was the place of "exile".

      Therefore, the article is really stupid. Captain II Ostrovsky simply writes nonsense, claiming that these grandfathers led the armed forces.
      Well, yes, sometimes the parts played their designated role of being checked - the ritual was respected.
      No more and no less.
      The General Staff and the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR were fully aware of what checks and who carried out.

      Inspectors general of the Defense Ministry are there now.
      Among them are the same old-fashioned marshals and generals, beginning with those who can no longer eat on their own, and ending with those like General Gareev, who has been writing analytics and military-scientific work in his 90 years.
      And just like in the USSR, this place is a "link." The same Makarov - the former head of the General Staff - is now sitting in this inspection.
      Sometimes it is necessary to attach somewhere, when you can not shoot or kick out.
      1. 1961NNN
        1961NNN 1 August 2013 10: 55 New
        +5
        "In the Soviet Union, the service of general inspectors of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR Armed Forces was called even more divine" - It was called the "PARADISE GROUP"
        1. Gato
          Gato 1 August 2013 11: 09 New
          +4
          Quote: 1961NNN
          "In the Soviet Union, the service of general inspectors of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR Armed Forces was called even more divine" - It was called the "PARADISE GROUP"

          And also just an "attic." Well, where in a normal family are stored useless, but dear to the heart things laughing
  • soldat1945
    soldat1945 1 August 2013 09: 32 New
    +5
    We knew about the Soviet Army that it is Legendary and Invincible, which will be a result of all the latest reforms!
  • svskor80
    svskor80 1 August 2013 09: 33 New
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    Of course it’s not fun to bother with such inspectors, but on the other hand I left and forgot. And during this time he didn’t steal anything, didn’t saw it off, didn’t write it off, didn’t transfer abroad. In general, compared with the current leadership, it’s just a harmless old man.
  • Prometey
    Prometey 1 August 2013 09: 38 New
    10
    In this article I am most sorry for the bear - why is it from a machine gun?
    1. Gato
      Gato 1 August 2013 11: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Prometey
      In this article I am most sorry for the bear

      Me too. And the marshal is also sorry - they tortured an old sick man.
  • creak
    creak 1 August 2013 09: 45 New
    +3
    It should be understood that the author and in old age will remain in their right mind and sober memory? Yes, it’s not fun to read such cheap stories, but it’s sad, it seems to me that the author of the merits for the country will have less than the marshals and generals who were members of the Group of Inspectors General of the USSR Ministry of Defense ... As they say, the author is not to blame, he was brought up like that.
  • vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 1 August 2013 10: 15 New
    0
    Quote: ranger
    It should be understood that the author and in old age will remain in their right mind and sober memory? Yes, it’s not fun to read such cheap stories, but it’s sad, it seems to me that the author of the merits for the country will have less than the marshals and generals who were members of the Group of Inspectors General of the USSR Ministry of Defense ... As they say, the author is not to blame, he was brought up like that.

    I completely agree. And he "smelled" the Marshall stars not in the offices, but on the battlefields and honest service.
  • alone
    alone 1 August 2013 11: 01 New
    -4
    mdya, it is not surprising that with such chief inspectors lost both the country and the army
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 1 August 2013 13: 40 New
      +8
      "... it is not surprising that with such chief inspectors they lost both the country and the army"
      lonely (1)  Today, 11:01


      The country and the army were lost not because of “such old chief inspectors,” but because of “young” politicians: the traitor Gorbachev, the American puppet Yeltsin. The current President Putin and his proteges Medvedev and Serdyukov made an effort to destroy the army.
      1. alone
        alone 1 August 2013 14: 18 New
        +7
        in general, that betrayal began since the time of Khrushchev. My dad served in the Baltic Military District 58-61. at the district headquarters. he told me how two generals talked among themselves (both heroes of the Soviet Union). so, one says to the other - this adventurer will ruin the country. and who brought humpback and Yeltsin to the Central Committee? problems started back then
    2. alone
      alone 3 August 2013 13: 02 New
      +2
      those who put cons! Explain what was the use of this inspector, who fell asleep on the go? What useful advice could he bestow upon the command of the Navy, being himself a land navigator?
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 1 August 2013 13: 06 New
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    Immortal character "dohlyatina general", Hasek knew very well what he wrote. Of course, the creation of such reserves at the state expense is already a sign of serious problems in the state. Because the army and the nursing home are very different things. Yes, a senile who has lost his mind, and all the young people do all the work, but everything seems to be frivolous ... and the title? What, this grandfather had the title of "fake marshal"? Or maybe his orders were not binding?
    But the real bad thing is different. What are the true reasons for the “military longevity” of dohlyatin generals? They are that it is convenient for groups of young and greyhounds to steer, hiding from responsibility behind the wall of grandfather's medals. It is necessary to explain what kind of things people are doing who are not responsible for the result? Yes, you look around, well you can see ...
  • misham
    misham 1 August 2013 13: 28 New
    +3
    Why minus the article. There is no blackening of the indestructible and legendary. These are tales, something really is something fiction. The usual pattern of anecdote boss (and tyrant) - subordinate (funny and resourceful)
    The mood lifted. It is not good to offend honored marshals and generals, but it is also not an option to maintain a "paradise" group with numerous servants and service staff. On one podium of the hunter - 25000 folk rubles. Maybe this is a legend but it is quite reliable. Everyone will draw conclusions
    In the United States and NATO, there are no paradise groups, seniors in their right mind advise Congress, the United Nations School of Law and other organizations, or go to deputies and civil servants themselves, like Colin Powell or Israeli generals. No one is happy with hunting, fishing, and demonstration firing and parades.
  • Hort
    Hort 1 August 2013 13: 53 New
    0
    At the same time, from the second helicopter, a bear was fired from a large machine gun and, just in case, an anti-tank grenade was thrown. The hunt was a success. The beast was defeated. Marshal was pleased.
    made friends - it was necessary to charge the Nurses immediately
  • pinecone
    pinecone 1 August 2013 14: 16 New
    0
    Brezhnev took the post of Secretary General of the CPSU at the age of 57. Age is far from being "senile." Incidentally, it was on his initiative on the 20th anniversary of the Victory that the status of participants in the Great Patriotic War was officially determined, who were awarded with commemorative badges and received certain benefits.
  • yurypetrunin
    yurypetrunin 1 August 2013 15: 15 New
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    I will tell you about my meeting with the Inspector General.
    The boat is preparing for military service, undergoes another test of readiness for the acceptance, maintenance and use of torpedoes from ASBZO (as it was then called).
    I am with a sailor on duty in the first compartment of the battle valve manipulators, on which a lock is put in the form of a red piece of iron with two groups of digitized rotating cylinders. The commander knows one group of numbers, the deputy the other. I, the old man, are not supposed to know these numbers, and the watch sailors at the covers of the devices solve the code on the first watch from boredom. Inspector arrived in the compartment
    with 4 stars on uniform. Not tall, stooped, thin. With him are a dozen officers, brigade commander, commander and deputy among them.
    The inspector, stopping on the floor between the rack torpedoes, not noticing me and the sailor at the bottom of the apparatus, gives an introductory: “You are in the tracking area for the AUG. Observe the massive take-off of carrier-based aviation. The commander is killed. (!?) Your actions?" This is a deputy.
    Viktor Mikhailovich cheerfully reported that we would not leave the position, that a party meeting would be held, that we would wait for the order and fulfill our duty ...
    The inspector complicated the introductory mass launch of ballistic missiles. The deputy added about the Komsomol meetings explaining to the personnel the importance of the task before us ...
    The inspector added an introduction to the fact that they found us, and a frigate rushes at us ...
    He saw me, the question redirected a finger to me ...
    I introduced myself and reported: "Comrade General! I will knock down this piece of iron with a sledgehammer and shoot!"
    My brigade commander is almost swooning. The commander behind the Inspector turned his finger at the temple, addressing this to me.
    The inspector burst out in an ecstatic scream with profanity that he
    finally met one sensible officer that we could no longer wait for orders from Moscow, that Moscow was already ...., that the country was already ..., that the CPSU was already ... Turned and cheerfully, straightening his shoulders, went to the exit.

    I thought I was ... c. Three days later, they gave me a separate two-room apartment in a new house on Fisanovich. They were no longer allowed to go to sea; he served on the shore according to his school specialty - RTV PL.
    I do not know who it was. But these people didn’t give anyone a grudge against our country, and they knew how
    take responsibility.
    I see the current positive developments in Russia and in its Armed Forces.
    But Oboronservis and other lamp thieves are just a bitter episode.

    Yuri Petrunin. Veteran of the USSR Armed Forces, 4 escpl. Polar, Gatchina.
  • vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 1 August 2013 15: 38 New
    +4
    My generation remembers the excellent and beloved film "To Me Mukhtar". Starring with Y. Nikulin. At the end of the film, after being wounded, Mukhtar remained in the nursery for his services to the criminal investigation department. During the walk, he hobbled, due to wounds past the aviaries with young dogs. Those barked at him. And I do not remember literally the announcer’s words on behalf of the young, but the meaning was as follows: “What are you hobbling around. And why do you live. We all can, we can. But the young did not realize that Mukhtar had experience and skill. was young. "
    Does it resemble anything among the posts of this thread?
    1. old man54
      old man54 1 August 2013 16: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: vlbelugin
      Those barked at him. And I do not remember literally the announcer’s words on behalf of the young, but the meaning was as follows: “What are you hobbling around. And why do you live. We all can, we can. But the young did not realize that Mukhtar had experience and skill. was young. "

      and what, retired for such a marshal would "bark" or what? Mukhtar was also suspended from service, for justifiable reasons! The marshal’s singing was normal even then and certainly wouldn’t be poor, would have had an invitation to various celebrations and holidays, but he wouldn’t have shame, either personal or indirect for the USSR Armed Forces! Everything has its time, you need to understand this! Sorry if I offended anyone! hi
  • iulai
    iulai 1 August 2013 15: 54 New
    +1
    But they didn’t steal billions, they were already beneficial for this.
  • old man54
    old man54 1 August 2013 16: 09 New
    +2
    Article "+", although it may not seem patriotic at first glance, but ... truthfully it is somehow more expensive!
    It was a diesel missile boat XNUMHA project. Rising aboard, Marshal, along with the commander remained on the bridge before arriving at the dive point. The commander gave the appropriate orders, and the crew of the boat prepared to dive. Having received a report from the CP about this, the commander reported: "Comrade Marshal, allow me to dive?". Marshal agreed, the commander became ill. What did the commander hear? It turns out that Marshal said to him: “You dive, and I’ll stand here ...”.

    almost described, having read it! laughing But actually it’s sad, alas!
  • creak
    creak 1 August 2013 17: 00 New
    +4
    Quote: My address
    This is Moss. Alenko. Khrushchev's favorite. Heard by old tank men in Mongolia in the 70. Politically and mildly, they did not respect him in the army.

    Enko deserves deep respect even for the fact that the 1st anti-tank brigade under his command at the beginning of June 1941 on the Southwestern Front held back the 14th German tank division in Lutsk for three days, entering into battle in extremely unfavorable conditions - straight from the march. There were simply no other Soviet units nearby, but the brigade survived, inflicting tangible losses on the Germans. To organize a stable defense and inflict serious losses on the Germans at the beginning of June 1941 was oh, how difficult ..... "As they say, it’s not for us to judge such people .... And this is not the only such episode in his biography. He earned his stars on the battlefield ...
    1. old man54
      old man54 1 August 2013 18: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: ranger
      "As they say, we should not judge such people .... And this is not the only such episode in his biography. He earned his stars on the battlefield ...

      and for this, no one even tries to criticize him, but ... everything has its time. I think the article is about this. And so the parcel with the film "To me Mukhtar" is precisely why they brought it above! Sorry!
    2. Nirag013
      Nirag013 1 August 2013 22: 29 New
      +2
      Please specify when it was? How do you write "... at the beginning of JUNE" - it is simply impossible, because the war began at the end of June, or rather, June 22. Or am I "not catching up" with something ?!
      1. creak
        creak 2 August 2013 08: 16 New
        0
        To blame, we are talking, if I am not mistaken, about the period of June 23-26, 1941. Of course, YOU are right.
  • chenia
    chenia 1 August 2013 20: 23 New
    +6
    Something military here on the branch is not enough, mostly pranksters. A group of inspectors general (always went under the term-paradise group), from the army general and above - this is the connection of generations.

    Each of them made a story. Almost all of the strategic stock of orders hung on these people - and rightfully so. And the costs personally to them were not significant.
    And the team with which they came will squeeze out all the rot of the union, compound or unit in a matter of hours.

    And then, the generals and colonels who had departed from the fright started to come up with stories when they were drunk.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 1 August 2013 20: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: chenia
      And the team with which they came will squeeze out all the rot of the union, compound or unit in a matter of hours.


      Ага.
      By the way, the thoughts coincided, a little higher complemented his koment.
      wink
  • okroshka79
    okroshka79 1 August 2013 22: 36 New
    +4
    The author of the article is a fat minus. Personally, I had to get under the ice rink of the inspection of the Moscow Region on the Northern Fleet in 1977 at the MSS ENCO and, most recently in 1989 at the GA Govorov. Like heaven and earth. It was very difficult to survive the inspection at Enko, and his specialists were very competent, corrosive and impartial. Yes, the marshal walked in summer over the Severomorsk berths in his greatcoat, yes, the “colonels” asked him questions at the exams for military regulations, such as where to store brooms and shovels for cleaning snow in the barracks, in which naval officers did not understand anything, but the assessment of the combat exercises was correct and objective. And from no one I heard anything like that, which is written in the article. And under Govorov, the level of qualification of the inspectors, in my opinion, was very high, but I did not feel such "ferocity". One way or another, but after an inspection with the Enko, specific matters began in the Navy. So, the city of Severomorsk began to be built with modern high-rise buildings and officers began to receive separate comfortable housing after such an inspection in 1977, before that it was considered happiness to have a room in a communal apartment.
  • malikszh
    malikszh 2 August 2013 10: 19 New
    0
    these marshals showed their own when they were young so no need so says he was also a military of the ground forces. If you were sent to a submarine or another unfamiliar part, the author would also walk like a cartoon. article minus
  • Alexander 1958
    Alexander 1958 2 August 2013 10: 22 New
    +3
    Good afternoon! Phrase from the article
    .. It would be fun if it weren’t so sad when you see who held such high posts in the state and did not understand at all that their actions directly damaged the defense of our state ...
    Even if you believe in what was written 100%, then the damage that they caused was 100500 times less than the defense ministers of Ukraine and other countries did to their states. Here you can recall the defeat of a tactical missile of an apartment building near Kiev, and a downed Russian plane over the Black Sea, and the practical destruction of the Ukrainian Armed Forces
    Alexander 1958
  • mak210
    mak210 2 August 2013 20: 14 New
    0
    Not aware of a specific person, but heard a lot about Budyonny. The old warrior also fancied, but he was specifically feared, and the green men should be kept in good shape, since there is no war. He was completely independent, it was impossible to imagine that he could be given a lamb in a piece of paper, and he was practically independent of the Minister of Defense, since the position in the Paradise group was life-long.
  • coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 3 August 2013 16: 19 New
    0
    C'mon ... I don’t know for the Pacific Fleet, but we were waiting for them in the north. Before arriving at us in the SF, the news of the explosion on the cruiser ADMIRAL SINYAVIN caught up. The artillery cellar exploded, about forty people died, Brezhnev immediately left for Moscow and Ustinov returned to Pacific Fleet. None of the boats they were on, nor any checks that summer either.
  • rumatam
    rumatam 3 August 2013 19: 12 New
    -1
    bastard, although Cap 2, this Ostrovsky clearly hinted at Budenny. It’s a pity they didn’t hit his hand, by whose order was this libel? Shame the citizen and last name and rank, shoot yourself.
  • Vipirozhnikow
    Vipirozhnikow 4 August 2013 17: 11 New
    +1
    The author of the article HUGE MINUS!
    1. Whoever you are, in this article you insult the honor and dignity of the Marshal of the Soviet Union, pointing out its shortcomings. Live with him and achieve such heights, and then we'll look at you.
    2. I quote: "... a bear was given a turn from a heavy machine gun and just in case they threw an anti-tank grenade. The hunt was a success.". Read the principle of operation of anti-tank grenades and think about the meaning of throwing this grenade into a bear. In your opinion, there were completely illiterate people in the escort helicopter.

    Now for the article. The conclusion is correct. Correct. The army needs literate soldiers, sergeants, and officers. And a very important role, of course, is played by the highest command staff.

    PS The fame "You" and "You" are intentionally written with a small letter. Who understands what I mean - they will agree that I am right.
    1. sellrub
      sellrub 5 August 2013 10: 35 New
      -2
      Well done! Good girl! Thanks for the feedback. With respect.
  • mithridate
    mithridate 4 August 2013 20: 55 New
    0
    something frank senility among the inspectors do not recall. But in the retinue there really were separate bastards
  • alone
    alone 4 August 2013 21: 05 New
    0
    frankly speaking, in the retinue of inspectors there are always a couple of people who always assent, naughty and on this make their career
  • sellrub
    sellrub 5 August 2013 10: 27 New
    -2
    I don’t understand for what purpose they wrote this article. What did the criminal "Marshal" do? Don't you like the age of the marshal? And, I think that a person who has served in the army for 50 years or more will quite soberly and sanely assess the condition of the troops .... Even while in a wheelchair.
    What? don't like how the "marshal" fell asleep while watching a movie?
    You do not like that "Marshal" all your favorite films without A. Schwarzenegger?
    Why is Marshal bad?
    You and I do not like the film "Volga, Volga" since 1985. Well? And how did this "dislike" end? Correctly! We will soon lose the Volga without war.
    1. alone
      alone 5 August 2013 10: 34 New
      0
      Dear, it’s not that the marshal did something criminal. The marshal was a military officer. He forced the Dnieper, stormed the Carpathians, took Prague, liberated Czechoslovakia. Nobody denigrates him. I, as a simple officer, just wonder how the Marshal of the Army inspected the Navy? and what useful advice could the Navy command give?
      1. sellrub
        sellrub 5 August 2013 10: 45 New
        -1
        Even a lieutenant colonel who has an academic education and serves in the operational department of the combined arms army is able to assess the situation in any unit (unit) of the Navy. What is the difference between an artillery gun or a missile on a river (sea) ship from a gun or missile in land use?
        Correctly! Only the place of their application!
        By and large, the river (sea) ship differs from the armored unit of the Ground Forces only in the place of their use.
        What? Does a riverboat fire at a mythical enemy in the fourth dimension?
        River Fleet .... Damn! And .... where are they shooting? They hit whom? Daphnia in the Amur?
        1. alone
          alone 5 August 2013 10: 51 New
          +1
          Navy service has its own specific character. only a sailor can understand a sailor. that there weren’t enough competent admirals in the country to inspect the fleet? there were a lot of them. A land-receiver would better understand a land-goer, a sailor, a sailor, a pilot-pilot. It's like two, two, four
          1. sellrub
            sellrub 5 August 2013 11: 06 New
            -2
            Dear .... Do not talk nonsense. It is immediately obvious that you have a very distant idea of ​​the army. The maximum is the level of senior sergeant of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
            Specificity ....
            Listen up! What are the specifics?
            Cupid what? Does it change its course every year? Who determines the combat missions for the Flotilla? Who indicates where to hit the enemy?
            Correctly! It was this marshal with his pencil or finger that the admiral indicated: "You will shoot here!"
            So, in order to check how clearly Rear Admiral mastered this task, the Marshal arrived.
            Do not complicate. The combat missions of the river flotilla are much simpler than those of the commander of the combined arms army.
            The main thing! Remember! Any type or kind of troops is auxiliary in relation to Mother Infantry. All! Even the Space Forces. Everyone works for the Vanya infantryman and only in his interests.
            And, the combined arms commander ..... especially of such a level is an expert in command and control of armed formations. Marshal - master of command of armed groups .... Ship .... Funny!
          2. sellrub
            sellrub 5 August 2013 11: 12 New
            -1
            Commander of the Eastern Military District of Russia - Admiral Konstantin Sidenko. Like this!

            General, Admiral, Marshal .... This is, above all - the master of warfare. It does not matter where these databases are maintained.