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In place of the "Satan" will come "Sarmat"

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In place of the "Satan" will come "Sarmat"

Exactly 25 years ago, the heavy liquid ICBM Р-36М2 “Voevoda” was adopted by the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia , reports today The Voice of Russia. Able to overcome any missile defense system, this rocket has become one of the legends of the Cold War.


The former chief of staff of the Strategic Missile Forces Colonel-General Viktor Yesin told The Voice of Russia that the US SDI program (a strategic defense initiative, better known as the Star Wars program) was a bluff, but received a very real answer: "The decision to create a strategic missile system "Voevoda" was made at a time when US President Ronald Reagan announced the launch of the PIO. This program had the goal of creating a large-scale missile defense system capable of destroying Soviet missiles in space. "Voevoda" was a heavy missile with a large combat load, which could overcome any missile defense system. "

The main advantage of "Voivode" was its carrying capacity (drop weight), almost 9 tons, which was twice as large as the similar parameter of the most powerful American ICBM MX. In addition, the rocket body was strengthened to reduce the impact of the shock wave.

However, the "Voevoda" had a drawback - stationary type of basing. Currently, this factor reduces the combat survivability of the complex. According to the director of the Center for Social and Political Studies, Vladimir Yevseyev, weapon deterrence need not have such destructive power. “The period when heavy rockets were needed was over. Now we need to develop new missiles with a smaller mass and, therefore, fewer warheads, which are fully consistent with the new approach to reducing nuclear weapons. ”

As the warranty periods expire, the remaining “Voyevoda” ICBMs remaining in the Strategic Missile Forces continue to be decommissioned, Russia does not have the capacity to replenish their fleet. However, in general, Russia is not abandoning heavy ICBMs. According to Yevseyev, in the near future, “Voevoda” will be replaced by a new rocket complex “Sarmat”.

According to some reports, this rocket (experimental design work called "Sarmat") is being developed in the GRTs them. Makeeva (Miass) with the participation of the NPO Mashinostroeniya (Reutov), ​​the design mass of the rocket 100 t, the throwing weight 4,3 t, the firing range 10 thousand km.
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  1. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 31 July 2013 08: 37 New
    +5
    from the Don.
    So it’s too early for the adversaries to celebrate the victory! More mouse tears will pour out to the cat !!!
    1. Turik
      Turik 31 July 2013 11: 33 New
      +1
      If only they wrote how many warheads she would "abandon." Well, the thing is very useful.

      We are not able to ensure parity on conventional weapons with NATO members, alas, our economy is not the same. Let there be superiority even in nuclear.
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 31 July 2013 12: 21 New
        +3
        I hope the infa is not correct, otherwise the new missile is somehow wrong compared to the voivode. A missile weighing 100 tons casts 4.3 tons over a distance of 10 thousand km. Cheto is not what efficiency is not. But most likely this info bluff!
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 31 July 2013 15: 45 New
          0
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          most likely this info bluff

          this is called misinformation. wink
          And the article is not correctly named.
          “Voivode” will be replaced by “Sarmat”is the correct name.
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          A rocket weighing 100 tons throws 4.3 tons over a distance of 10 thousand km.

          Of course it sounds strange, but let it be so in the official, and we will hope for 100000 km. flight and 43 tons of payload. drinks
          1. engineer74
            engineer74 31 July 2013 15: 57 New
            +2
            "100000 km. Flight and 43 tons of payload."
            Already have, "Proton" is called! It remains for him to develop SSBNs and PGRK! smile
      2. morsikoff
        morsikoff 31 July 2013 16: 31 New
        0
        Look here: http: //militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-435.html

        Unfortunately, I'm already late, I need to run.
    2. T-100
      T-100 31 July 2013 17: 20 New
      0
      I read that they are preparing a new ICBM under the name "Breakthrough" with 15 munition warheads.
      Here is the information: http://www.b2bis.ru/news/firms/266827
  2. Atenon
    Atenon 31 July 2013 08: 38 New
    17
    I wonder why the question of reducing nuclear weapons is put in the first place, and the protection of the state and the destruction of the enemy are fading into the background?
    1. Fire
      Fire 31 July 2013 10: 26 New
      +3
      But because "democracy" ....
  3. PISTOL
    PISTOL 31 July 2013 08: 38 New
    +6
    Probably after this messenger they’re already sitting and scratching turnips, how to neutralize our new ICBM, although they know that before that they are 20 years old
  4. darksoul
    darksoul 31 July 2013 08: 39 New
    +2
    If the rocket is new, why is the radius of destruction less and the payload 2 times smaller? Or will Sarmat be used on mobile complexes? some new technical opportunities to overcome the pro? ..... I hope Sarmat will be worthy of his famous brother Satan
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 31 July 2013 08: 51 New
      +1
      Perhaps a decision has been made to unify the missile systems, which will save a lot and expand the application
      1. AVV
        AVV 31 July 2013 10: 49 New
        +3
        It is high time the Makeevka people show on what they are capable of !!! And then, we are building all solid fuel, And it’s too early to write off Liquid ones, they have not yet shown everything that they can !!! We’ll see soon !!!
    2. avt
      avt 31 July 2013 09: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: darksoul
      If the rocket is new, why is the radius of destruction less and the payload 2 times smaller? Or will Sarmat be used on mobile complexes?

      One can only guess, maybe this is why -
      Quote: Strashila
      In fact, you can use the modified Sineva with the Liner, and perhaps you do not need to modify it except the last stage. Their performance has been proven by service in the Navy,

      They don’t look for good from good, the Makiivites have a reserve for the fleet.
    3. Constantine
      Constantine 31 July 2013 10: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: darksoul
      If the rocket is new, why is the radius of destruction less and the payload 2 times smaller? Or will Sarmat be used on mobile complexes? some new technical opportunities to overcome the pro? ..... I hope Sarmat will be worthy of his famous brother Satan


      If this is the missile that Rogozin was talking about, then the smaller load is caused, apparently, by the fact that the missile is capable of overcoming the missile defense of promising generations, and also the accuracy of the "shooting" is increased on it, and accordingly it is not necessary to burn everything around to achieve Destruction of the target. Those. there is a more complex filling, which requires space and kg. smile

      Satan is generally a bad word that you have attached to a rocket. She is Voivode in Russian, and in my opinion, this is more in line with the image of Russia than the name of the Cold War, when we were made an evil empire wink
      1. avt
        avt 31 July 2013 10: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: Constantine
        If this is the missile that Rogozin spoke about, then the smaller load is caused, apparently, by the fact that the missile is capable of overcoming missile defense of promising generations,

        How is this interconnected? In general, with a decrease in the payload, the number of separated parts of the warhead and, naturally, traps - warhead simulators decreases. Precisely as a heavy carrier, Voivode "and scared our universal human probable, friends."
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 31 July 2013 21: 48 New
          0
          Quote: avt
          How is this interconnected? In general, with a decrease in the payload, the number of separated parts of the warhead and, naturally, traps - warhead simulators decreases. Precisely as a heavy carrier, Voivode "and scared our universal human probable, friends."


          Each of the parts has its own guidance unit and main engine. Traps alone do not solve the missile defense issue, or do you think that a new missile passes a promising missile defense only by increasing the number of traps? How exactly this missile implements the passage, we will not know for a long time since This is a drain of information to a potential adversary about the direction in which to work. I suspect that the design of the blocks itself has become more complicated and more technologically advanced. Perhaps they have become faster. I can’t say for sure, and no one will say. smile
  5. omsbon
    omsbon 31 July 2013 08: 40 New
    0
    "Voivode" had a drawback - a stationary type of base. Currently, this factor reduces the combat survivability of the complex.

    It seems that the right decision was made to manufacture new BZHRK!
    1. WW3
      WW3 31 July 2013 12: 43 New
      0
      Quote: omsbon
      "Voivode" had a drawback - a stationary type of base.

      So this is an ICBM; it cannot be based in another way.
      1. Gorchilin
        Gorchilin 31 July 2013 12: 57 New
        0
        Oh well, why? There are also conditionally mobile complexes poplar-m, won and SLBMs have reached intercontinental ranges. Railway complexes, unfortunately, withdrawn from service.

        Unfortunately, the Union did not bring to mind the road-based complex. That would be a truly irresistible weapon.
        1. WW3
          WW3 31 July 2013 13: 32 New
          +2
          ICBMs UR-100k and Voevoda R-36M are only mine-based; Yars mobile systems are replacing poplars. RS-12M2 cast weight 1,2 t Starting weight 46,5 t. The type of warhead is monoblock, nuclear, detachable, the number of warheads 1 with a capacity of 550 ct. No need to compare, but the advantage of mobility, but the mine mbr will cause much more damage to the enemy.
          1. elmi
            elmi 31 July 2013 14: 16 New
            +4
            However, the Voivode had a drawback - a stationary type of base. Currently, this factor reduces the combat survivability of the complex

            I do not quite agree with this statement, as I read that the mines in which Satan’s rockets are capable of withstanding direct nuclear weapons are: http: //army-news.ru/2010/10/kompleks-satana/ And if in the future you protect the mines with the S- complex 500 and new developments of near missile destruction that are being carried out in our country, we will not have to talk about any shortcomings. And I don’t accept talking about reducing weight, because I consider it to be a veiled attempt to save money. I must definitely recreate the BZHRK more quickly.
            1. WW3
              WW3 31 July 2013 14: 50 New
              +3
              In the RS-24 - 4 warheads, with a capacity of 150 - 300 kT - better than poplar, but still.
              In addition, in the R-36M mines, the next one can be put on the DB next 3 weeks after the previous one was launched, there is a protective cover that closes the connector between the mine and the container, protects the mine cable networks, the gas jet of engines does not enter the mine during the launch of the rocket.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlAy3aCws0Q

              Naturally, the R-36M base of the Russian nuclear shield was terrifying with its power to the states. Yes, I agree about the BZHRK, since the railway network of Russia is huge and track such a special. satellite composition is problematic.
              P / S It is better to strike first than retaliation, it is much more effective in nuclear war.
          2. max702
            max702 31 July 2013 17: 14 New
            0
            There was infa that successful applications ONE !! rockets Satan incapacitates 80% of the industrial potential of the United States, and that it was these rockets that mattresses were afraid and fear, and not poplars and other trifles.
  6. mark1
    mark1 31 July 2013 08: 45 New
    +3
    The article describes the characteristics of the UR-100UTTX (or solid-fuel RT-23 Molodets), the casting weight for the new liquid ICBM was declared - 5,5 tons (the main "cart" is the high energy efficiency of the future liquid ICBM) If there is a downward trend thrown weight, it is very upsetting, because there is already a UR-100 (to modernize according to KVO and ABM, why spend the extra money) or again the media begin to transmit "a ringing without knowing where it is"
    It is possible that a universal carrier complex is being created, this can explain the involvement of Makeyev Design Bureau in the work. But in any case, the claimed characteristics begin to "float".
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 31 July 2013 17: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: mark1
      already have ur-xnumx

      ... was, alas.
      Industrial production has not been preserved, as well as design bureau (meaning functioning on the topic).
      The serial production of the 15A30 / 15A35 ICBMs was launched in 1974 at the Moscow Machine-Building Plant named after M.V. Khrunicheva. The production of first-stage mid-flight engines was mastered by the Voronezh Mechanical Plant and a branch of the Perm Motor-Building Plant named after Ya.M. Sverdlov. Marching engines of the second stage and steering engines were produced by the Red October Leningrad Machine-Building Production Association. The engines of the breeding unit were manufactured by the Ust-Katavsky Car Building Plant. The components of the control system were assembled at the Kiev Radio Plant, the Taras Shevchenko Plant and the Kharkiv NGO Hartron. The warhead breeding unit and control system were made at the Strela Orenburg production association.
      Main Features
      Adoption: 1975
      Weight: 105600 kg.
      Diameter: 250 cm.
      Length: 24 m.
      The thrown weight: 4350 kg.
      Accuracy, QUO: 350 m.
      Type of MS: RCG IN 6x550 CT
      Firing range: 10000 km.

      But, most likely, Sarmat will be created on its basis. Using everything that was left in Reutovo, using Miass backlogs and a serial plant in Krasnoyarsk ....
      1. mark1
        mark1 31 July 2013 18: 00 New
        0
        It’s a pity, of course, that it happened with the UR-100, then Miass is our All (MIT is trying to create analogues of the Minutemans). It’s not grateful to guess what will be taken as the base for the new ICBM, but I would start from the R-29 (proportional increase), then the declared cast weight of 5,5 tons and the versatility of the carriers could be observed without much difficulty (yes probably cost)
  7. Zubr
    Zubr 31 July 2013 08: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: darksoul
    If the rocket is new, why is the radius of destruction less and the payload 2 times smaller? Or will Sarmat be used on mobile complexes? some new technical opportunities to overcome the pro? ..... I hope Sarmat will be worthy of his famous brother Satan


    Well, according to some sources, it can carry up to 6 small-sized specials. high power ammunition and missile defense complex.
  8. Edward72
    Edward72 31 July 2013 08: 48 New
    +1
    They’ll do it and see, but how many copies were broken with a mace
  9. Strashila
    Strashila 31 July 2013 08: 53 New
    0
    In fact, you can use the modified Sineva with the Liner, and perhaps you do not need to modify it except the last stage. The service in the Navy proved its operational properties, by the technical parameters the best in the world, even the Americans did not dream of. It will be quite economical and efficient.
  10. Suhov
    Suhov 31 July 2013 09: 12 New
    -2
    Everyone agrees that
    the nuclear arms race is a diagnosis to politicians and a sentence to humanity,
    and nevertheless she continues ...
    fool
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 31 July 2013 11: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: Sukhov
      the nuclear arms race is a diagnosis to politicians and a sentence to humanity,
      and nevertheless she continues ...

      "Katz offers to surrender"? (c) (“The weather is good on Deribasovskaya”) the USSR was destroyed, the Russian Federation fell out of this race for almost 20 years. During these two decades, ATTENTION SOMETHING has changed for the better in this regard? The politician’s answer must be adequate to the question asked, otherwise, in fact, the diagnosis is obtained ... request
      1. Suhov
        Suhov 31 July 2013 14: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: Misantrop
        "Katz offers to surrender"?

        Of course not!
        laughing
        This is another (sad) intertrepation famous law:
        Do you want peace? - Get ready for war!
        recourse
  11. tun1313
    tun1313 31 July 2013 09: 17 New
    0
    Starting weight reduced by half, cargo mass by half, with partial retention of range. Interestingly, but the dimensions, the new mines?
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 31 July 2013 17: 34 New
      0
      Quote: tun1313
      Interestingly, but the dimensions, the new mines?

      will be put into the P-36 mines with refinement (there is a larger diameter) in the new TPK
  12. engineer74
    engineer74 31 July 2013 09: 22 New
    +1
    "However, the Voevoda had a drawback - a stationary type of base." "... design rocket mass of 100 tons"
    I poorly imagine the Sarmat mobile land carrier ...what
    In general, the activation of the development of strategic offensive arms in Russia, as it were, hints that in the near future all the agreements limiting nuclear weapons will have to be forgotten, with all the consequences. sad
    IMHO
    1. tun1313
      tun1313 31 July 2013 09: 34 New
      +3
      By the way, the type of basing in the article is not a word, except indirectly about the "disadvantages". Theoretically, it is better to have more smaller ones with the same total payload, to overcome the pro at the initial stage. By the way, it is written about overcoming pro, but the Voivode was done, as I understand it, under the realities of that time, you’re talking about the final stage. Now we should talk about the initial stage. Of course IMHO
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 31 July 2013 17: 35 New
        0
        Quote: tun1313
        type of base

        for a rocket engine - a mine ... or a nuclear submarine also with mines :)
    2. max702
      max702 31 July 2013 17: 19 New
      +1
      100 tons doesn’t seem to be much, they’re dragging the trailer with a merkava and it’s 70 tons, but the requirements for the ICBM chassis are higher, but it is also much more expensive than a tank trailer, so I think you can do it.
  13. RPG_
    RPG_ 31 July 2013 09: 26 New
    0
    It’s a pity that everyone was so afraid of this beauty, and it’s not clear why we don’t need heavy missiles.
  14. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 10: 01 New
    +4
    What kind of nonsense is "Vladimir Yevseyev, a deterrence weapon does not have to have such destructive power" Uncle that survived from the mind ??? On the contrary, we need to develop a missile capable of completely destroying the United States with one hit. And to create such missiles 1-300 pieces, only the knowledge that the only one that broke through Antimissile defense a rocket is capable of destroying an adder which they consider to be the best country in the world to stop them from aggression against us. Retired old man.
    1. biglow
      biglow 31 July 2013 16: 29 New
      0
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      What kind of nonsense is "Vladimir Yevseyev, a deterrence weapon does not have to have such destructive power" Uncle that survived from the mind ??? On the contrary, we need to develop a missile capable of completely destroying the United States with one hit. And to create such missiles 1-300 pieces, only the knowledge that the only one that broke through Antimissile defense a rocket is capable of destroying an adder which they consider to be the best country in the world to stop them from aggression towards us. Retired old man.

      one Voivode missile is enough to destroy any large American city and they know it. Therefore, in the west they gave the missile the name Satan. NF is still a deterrent weapon and is unlikely to ever be used. Most likely no one will even risk using tactical nuclear weapons, because the consequences are too destructive ...
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 16: 36 New
        +2
        The Americans took a chance this time, and secondly, the United States has been working on the White Light project for a long time (if I’m not mistaken) whose purpose is to minimize radiation pollution when using nuclear weapons, so I would not say that nuclear weapons would not be used.
  15. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 10: 05 New
    +1
    What kind of nonsense is "Vladimir Yevseyev, a deterrence weapon does not have to have such destructive power" Uncle that survived from the mind ??? On the contrary, we need to develop a missile capable of completely destroying the United States with one hit. And there are 1-300 pieces to create such missiles, only the knowledge that the only one that broke through the missile is capable of destroying the adder which they consider to be the best country in the world to stop them from aggression against us. Retired old man.
    1. Gorchilin
      Gorchilin 31 July 2013 10: 30 New
      +5
      At one time, Ogarkov noted that he absolutely did not need a balance of power or parity with the United States, he would have enough 2 charges to put all of America into the spray.

      Today the situation has changed, but new questions have arisen. For example, missile defense. How will it affect the delivery rate? If she intercepts 2 out of three charges, their number must be tripled.

      Another point is that Americans can aesthetize, they already have mortar mines with an accuracy of several meters fall. Here, everything will work in unpredictable conditions (satellites are burnt out, there is no visibility, EMP has hit electronics), that is, the accuracy can be much lower. If so, it must be compensated by power. Actually, in the strategic version there is especially nobody to regret, this is not a tactical weapon, there are none of them there.
  16. Gorchilin
    Gorchilin 31 July 2013 10: 23 New
    +8
    Stupidity is stupidity from beginning to end.

    These are products of the same class and type. What they pass off as a “new” complex is the obsolete RS-18 (or, as it was also called, a hundred). This is a mine-based missile. And this is not a drawback at all, unlike poplars, such a machine can survive a nuclear attack practically in the shaft cover, the shaft perfectly transfers underground explosions and seismic shocks from them. Poplars will be blown out for tens of kilometers by an air explosion, it is they who have no survivability. There is no mobility.

    Today, the situation with clapper poplars is so tragic that the MO demanded a heavy rocket. Here they gave her. The whole point is to try to make this machine at least something like the 36th car.

    Will it work or not? It will turn out - if you produce an outdated complex with minimal changes. And that is debatable, remember the recent history of the proton.

    If you try to make fundamental changes, there will be a long-term type of mace with a completely unpredictable outcome.

    Generally stupid. It is necessary to produce the BEST Soviet development, enormous brains are put into it, which today is simply impossible to concentrate.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 31 July 2013 10: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: Gorchilin
      Generally stupid. It is necessary to produce the BEST Soviet development, enormous brains are put into it, which today is simply impossible to concentrate.

      Will not work. Technology lost, experts too. And most importantly: Ukraine is an absolutely unreliable partner in terms of military-technical cooperation. He will sell everything to anyone who offers a normal price.
      So it’s better to let the guys work further in Miass, they have never had any breakdowns as in the Research Institute of Heat Engineering.
      1. Gorchilin
        Gorchilin 31 July 2013 11: 13 New
        +2
        Why did you decide what was lost?

        Everything is in place, the plant stands, the staff was nipped, but there are still people.

        Again, in terms of reliability, today the KBYU specialists serve Russian missiles, extend resources, and launch conversion machine launches. So far, everything is fine, no questions arise.

        And the technology can be partly divided, as far as critical systems are concerned, it is possible to assemble under control (it’s normal to turn off your output at another plant) or partially localize production.

        As for Makeevtsev, they really have very interesting cars. True, a slightly different class.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 31 July 2013 17: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: Gorchilin
          Everything is in place, the plant stands, the staff was nipped, but there are still people.

          ... alas, alas ... many people are already in this world :(

          But, Kraintsy will undoubtedly be used ... How? Get it ... :)))
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 31 July 2013 13: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: Spade
        So it’s better to let the guys work further in Miass, they have never had any breakdowns as in the Research Institute of Heat Engineering.

        Good afternoon Shovels! Off topic, just remembered. In the 90s there was such a figure in our country, the Kleban. oversaw the defense industry from the government (like). My friend told me (unfortunately already ...). He was at a meeting in Miass on marine topics from the NPO Avtomatika. And the Klebans from the government flew there. So here. This klebanov on the eve of the meeting blurted out somewhere in the press that Russia does not need an atomic submarine fleet. And here comes this Kleban with a large retinue to the entrance, but he is not allowed into the territory! He made a scandal, promised to remove everyone, sent to Siberia - it didn’t help ... And he flew back.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 31 July 2013 14: 29 New
          +4
          Greetings. But Miass was almost rotten. The "mace" was not in vain done by those who had absolutely no experience in developing ICBMs for submarines.
          1. Gorchilin
            Gorchilin 31 July 2013 15: 25 New
            0
            Here again, a huge villainy, a crime at the state level.

            The main requirement for the development of the mace was to be: unification with existing complexes for the launch unit.

            The degree of unification can be different, you can even insert a special glass into the shaft, to hell with it. But then they would have received universal missile carriers. Some rockets are good. There are only three others, it’s not a problem, we’ll charge how much there is.

            Now we need new boats, into which the old missiles can no longer be crammed.

            This is a deliberate undermining of the country's defense capabilities.
          2. pensioner
            pensioner 31 July 2013 19: 20 New
            +1
            And only when the KBM was connected, everything turned out. Whatever ITTshniki say ...
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 31 July 2013 17: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Gorchilin
      It will turn out - if you produce an outdated complex with minimal changes.

      Efremov proposed such a solution. They refused him. It will be on the basis of proven solutions and using backlogs from zagashniks, plus unexpected solutions of a "marine theme" from the Miass ...
      Plus, using the progress of new processors, new materials and everything that has changed over 30 years ...
  17. InkGrey
    InkGrey 31 July 2013 10: 27 New
    +1
    A small clarification on the design of the article - not Voyevoda, but 15A35 Stiletto in the photo - but in terms of starting weight it is just closer to the prospective promising medium.
    But about the type of basing, it’s really interesting. MAZ-7904 and MAZ-7907 are recalled. But I doubt that such fools will revive - I don’t think that there will be anything on wheels. And BZHRK - yes, we need to estimate. True weight and size characteristics there ..
  18. tun1313
    tun1313 31 July 2013 11: 38 New
    -2
    Well, still as an option megapupertzartermyoyadbomba without delivery vehicles, on their territory. Of the pluses, we will be less tormented if the kipzhge begins, because if you work out to the full all one, no one will survive.
    1. WW3
      WW3 31 July 2013 12: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: tun1313
      Well, still as an option megapupertzartermyoyadbomba without delivery vehicles, on their territory.

      You apparently live in anticipation of the end of the world, as the Mayan Indians prophesied on December 21, 2012, more than 7 months have passed since the end of the world.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 31 July 2013 15: 01 New
      0
      Quote: tun1313
      as an option megapupertzartermyoyadbomba without delivery vehicles, on their territory.
      Such an option will "fit" only to those who are expecting a landing of "universal man." For it is worth promulgating the existence of such a device, HERE the SAME government will be declared by a crowd of inadequates, who did this not in case of war, but against the victory of political opponents (all polls and exemplary democrats). But then, in fact, the countdown to the invasion will go ...
  19. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 31 July 2013 11: 43 New
    0
    Quote: InkGrey
    And BZHRK - yes, we need to estimate. True weight and size characteristics there ..

    120 tons for railway transport is the norm. What confuses me is that they are going to change 1: 1 the number of missiles, in the end it turns out that we will reduce our potential of the mine-based warhead by more than half, while the work on missile defense is only increasing.
    1. Gorchilin
      Gorchilin 31 July 2013 13: 01 New
      0
      No, according to the standards of railway workers, this is a heavy oversized load.

      In this capacity, Makeevka SLBMs would look much more successful. This is where the true carrying capacity is enough for both the launching unit and the rocket itself
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 31 July 2013 14: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Gorchilin
        No, according to the standards of railway workers, this is a heavy oversized load.

        Stakhanov Car-Building Plant.
        The production of railway conveyors of platform, well, articulated, platform and coupling types, wagons for timber, cement, alumina, building materials, granular polymeric materials, flour, containers of g / n 20 tons for bulk cargo and cement, long platforms for the transportation of large containers was mastered and wheeled vehicles, special conveyors with a capacity of up to 240 tons for the transportation of heavy duty power transformers and large-capacity power equipment, special vehicles for the transportation of spent nuclear fuel from nuclear power plants, dump trucks with a capacity of 66 tons, 105 tons, 143 tons , 150 tons, wheel sets for freight cars, two-axle bogies and other types of products.
        In the period 1987-1988, the plant was awarded a number of prizes from the Ministry of Heavy and Transport Engineering for the development of reduced rental costs for the serial production of lightweight car axles, for the development, development and production of a platform type railway conveyor with a capacity of 120 tons of mods. 14-6063, for the development, development and production of a car for granular polymer materials mod. 17-495 and a carriage for mineral fertilizers mod. 19-923.
        In 1987, the Council of Ministers of Ukraine awarded the plant the title of "Enterprise of high quality products."
        In 1990, a group of plant employees was awarded the Prize of the Council of Ministers for the work “Integrated research, development, industrial development and implementation of high-performance heavy-duty railway conveyors”.
        For the creation of the best examples of new technology, the plant was awarded with Diplomas, medals and valuable gifts (cars) of VDNH.
        From 1988 to 1992, by order of the French company TransManche Link, the plant manufactured and supplied 40 thousand tons of welded metal structures for the construction of a tunnel under the English Channel. Welding under this contract is certified by Bureau Veritas (France).
        The plant has gained positive experience in supplying products to foreign partners: to Germany - metal products (flanges), to Israel - welded metal structures, to Iran - trolleys and wheelsets of gauge 1435 mm, to South Korea - a 16-axle articulated type railway conveyor 170 tons.
        By the order of the Federal Atomic Energy Agency Minatomenergo of Russia, two railway conveyors for the transportation of nuclear fuel waste TK-13M were manufactured as soon as possible.
        In 2003, serial production of new wagons was started: a hopper car with an increased body volume, a hopper car with unloading in the rail space, tank cars for transporting light petroleum products, a gondola car with a deaf body and a gondola car with bottom unloading, which meet all the requirements for to the cars of the new generation.
        For 46 years, the plant has manufactured more than 100000 freight cars, which are operated in many countries of the world. The plant’s products are supplied to state and private transport companies and industrial enterprises in Ukraine and the countries of near and far abroad.

        1. Gorchilin
          Gorchilin 31 July 2013 15: 05 New
          +1
          Awesome! For the first time I learned about the English Channel. It's nice to hear that our children have worked successfully there.

          As for the rest, heavy conveyors are not the same. They have a number of limitations, both on the geometry of railway tracks and on the load from the axis. What if you’re going to put it back? The strength of standard cranes is not enough.

          And in terms of disguise, there are very big problems, such a fool immediately attracts attention. When the refrigerator has two or three wheelsets on a trolley, whoever pays attention there .. But they cannot help but notice
  20. WW3
    WW3 31 July 2013 12: 33 New
    +5
    As the warranty periods expire, the remaining Voyevoda ICBMs remaining in the Strategic Missile Forces continue to be withdrawn from service, Russia has no opportunity to replenish their fleet.

    Because they were going to "Yuzhmash" Ukraine.
    Nevertheless, in general, Russia is not giving up heavy ICBMs. According to Yevseyev, in the near future Voevoda will be replaced by a new Sarmat missile system.

    According to some reports, this rocket (experimental design work called "Sarmat") is being developed in the GRTs them. Makeeva (Miass) with the participation of the NPO Mashinostroeniya (Reutov), ​​the design mass of the rocket 100 t, the throwing weight 4,3 t, the firing range 10 thousand km.

    The basis of the Russian missile shield is Voyevoda’s heavy liquid ICBMs. The service life of these ICBMs was tripled. Now they are replacing the promising Sarmat heavy complex. “Sarmat” is a 100-ton class missile carrying at least 10 separated warheads in the warhead. The degree of its advancement can be judged even by the annual report of Safonovsky Avangard OJSC, which has begun to develop a launch vehicle transport and launch container.

    At present, Avangard OJSC is part of one of the largest rocket-building holdings in Russia - VPK NPO Mashinostroyeniya OJSC. In the interests of national defense, the enterprise mass-produced transport and launch containers and engine blocks of solid-fuel rockets, as well as elements of armor and radiation protection for armored vehicles.

    That is, the main mass-dimensional characteristics of Sarmat have already been determined. Serial production is planned at the famous Krasmash, for the reconstruction of which 7,5 billion rubles were allocated from the federal budget. Work is also underway to create promising combat equipment, including individual breeding units with promising means of overcoming missile defense (ROC “Breakthrough” - “Inevitability”).
  21. Nayhas
    Nayhas 31 July 2013 14: 32 New
    +2
    "However, the Voevoda had a drawback - the stationary type of basing. Currently, this factor reduces the combat survivability of the complex." - oh, these formalists ... I don’t know why, but many believe that ICBMs hidden under the meters of reinforced concrete and armored steel are defenseless than ICBMs in a fiberglass container that are transported on a typewriter along the well-known square because it doesn’t have a normal road will be released, because you have to block the movement for many kilometers ... In our country for a long time it’s bad with logic ...
    1. biglow
      biglow 31 July 2013 16: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: Nayhas
      "However, the Voevoda had a drawback - the stationary type of basing. Currently, this factor reduces the combat survivability of the complex." - oh, these formalists ... I don’t know why, but many believe that ICBMs hidden under the meters of reinforced concrete and armored steel are defenseless than ICBMs in a fiberglass container that are transported on a typewriter along the well-known square because it doesn’t have a normal road will be released, because you have to block the movement for many kilometers ... In our country for a long time it’s bad with logic ...

      because the satellites that can track the mixing of mobile complexes fly over the observation area strictly by the hour and cannot hang over the desired area all the time.
      Therefore, any observation is inconsistent and at this time the equipment can be hidden in a shelter from which the launch of rockets is also possible. And the satellite simply will not see this shelter
      1. Gorchilin
        Gorchilin 31 July 2013 16: 50 New
        -1
        This system did not work already in the 80s, the territory of the USSR was already under round-the-clock surveillance. The American satellite constellation is numerous and diverse.

        And these shelters were declared defeated at the time the construction began. The level of protection of such a shelter itself is minimal. An air nuclear explosion blows with a guarantee.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 31 July 2013 17: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: Gorchilin
          The level of protection of such a shelter itself is minimal. An air nuclear explosion blows with a guarantee.

          ... shelter still needs to be found and Confirm that there is PGRK :)
          and MORE DEAR COLLEAGUE, PGRK never goes into combat shelter and even along a military route in peacetime - DOES NOT DETECT ... :))) Look and see, we have a large territory ... there aren’t enough nuclear charges to destroy everything ...
        2. biglow
          biglow 31 July 2013 18: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: Gorchilin
          This system did not work already in the 80s, the territory of the USSR was already under round-the-clock surveillance. The American satellite constellation is numerous and diverse.

          And these shelters were declared defeated at the time the construction began. The level of protection of such a shelter itself is minimal. An air nuclear explosion blows with a guarantee.

          satellites can hang in one place only above the equator, and given the karyolis or the bend of the earth, much is not visible from there. They cannot shuffle all over the orbit. Only in the movies. Think about why all satellite dishes look south at a certain angle. On sites dedicated to space, this issue is considered in more detail.
      2. max702
        max702 31 July 2013 17: 38 New
        0
        And why the satellite can not constantly monitor the surface for 24 hours? the most important objects of our country seem to me from a potential adversary to be observed around the clock in real time with good television quality. There is nothing complicated and super-technological in this, if they (likely friends) do not spare money for any nonsense, then they will allocate such a very important system for them 10kkk pieces of paper or maybe more.
        1. biglow
          biglow 31 July 2013 18: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: max702
          And why the satellite can not constantly monitor the surface for 24 hours? the most important objects of our country seem to me from a potential adversary to be observed around the clock in real time with good television quality. There is nothing complicated and super-technological in this, if they (likely friends) do not spare money for any nonsense, then they will allocate such a very important system for them 10kkk pieces of paper or maybe more.

          satellites can only hang above the equator, this is called the heliostationary orbit. In other places, satellites cannot hang, according to the laws of physics, their attraction of the earth shifts to the equator. Read it briefly and accurately on the net and you’ll understand
          Just for technological reasons, it is impossible to get a video picture online from a satellite. Answer a very long time. On the forum of the site "Cosmonautics News" everything is described in sufficient detail
      3. Nayhas
        Nayhas 31 July 2013 19: 48 New
        +1
        The location of the Topol is known to everyone, for example, near Novosibirsk, they are located near the village of Pashino, they don’t go further than their piece of wood, and if they leave, this cavalcade can be seen from afar, because on ordinary roads they travel by escort, having previously blocked the road for everyone motorists because it is impossible to go round this colossus. Even on the Google map you can see both the very location of the unit, and the roads in the forest along which Poplars ride nowhere else. Many naively believe that such a colossus can follow an ordinary highway, quietly drive away in an unknown direction and disappear into the vast expanses of the country ... Horseradish, it will not work.
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 19: 50 New
          +1
          Even as it turns out, they’ll go out on the track and 80km, stop the hell, turn up any lane to 1 glade and in 20 minutes the firecrackers will fly up (if this is fine of course) laughing
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 22: 29 New
            0
            Am I wrong about something? Well, argue laughing
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 31 July 2013 23: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: tilovaykrisa
              Am I wrong about something? Well, argue

              here there are "experts, as if everyone knows" - the minus ones are bad ...;)
              In fact, everything about the case is your message, except for the numbers - the speed of the PGRK is no more than 45km.h. Time to launch - much less ....
        2. Rus2012
          Rus2012 31 July 2013 23: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Nayhas
          near Novosibirsk they are located near the village of Pashino, then they don’t leave their own piece of wood, and if they leave, this cavalcade can be seen from afar,

          ... you only see what they show you ...
          There are training routes and there are military ones (about which no one knows for the time being, they don’t go on them. And where exactly the PGRK-even in the dvizi they won’t know that they don’t pass, as it sometimes happens). , and only during satellite "windows" ...

          In case of emergency, they will be planted from the place of permanent deployment from Krona, time to launch is less than 10min.
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 31 July 2013 23: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      which they carry on a typewriter along the well-known square because they won’t let her out on a normal road, because they will have to block traffic for many kilometers ...

      ... and FSUs that will have to be blocked ... if it comes to that, they will block!
      I repeat the last time - combat routes are unknown to anyone until an order is received by a particular division, and there the special officer with Comrade Makarov and the commandant platoon of ferocious mountaineers will be talkative and big-eyed in snow or mud to lay down!
  22. serg2.72
    serg2.72 31 July 2013 21: 29 New
    +1
    At the expense of enemy satellites do not flatter yourself. Now is not the 60s and 70s, the groups are simply huge, in different orbits of elliptical, geostationary, low middle and high. In addition, in addition to the purely military, there are many civilians who can be used for reconnaissance at any time. Who cares if there is a program for the Orbitron PC, you can see where the satellite is flying, civilian of course. There is only one salvation from them, because it’s impossible to bring down everything, you need to work on electronic counteraction (interception of control, interference or cyber attacks on space communication and reconnaissance centers) A You don’t need to worry about the Topol in Pashino, the S-300-400 are at 20-30 km and they will be given offense. In addition, a radar station in Omsk and Altai will be built.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 31 July 2013 23: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: serg2.72
      the groups are just huge

      these groups, even the Iraqi skads, could not really make out ...
  23. Genady1976
    Genady1976 31 July 2013 22: 20 New
    0
    Sarmat is active, dynamic. But he is not one of those who are ready to do anything - he only does his favorite job well! Sarmatian gives little influence, although he carefully listens to the advice of a friend. He has no account for friends - his sociability knows no bounds. He converges with people quickly, but just as quickly, under the influence of a momentary rush, he can break all ties. And the Stone Age will come.
  24. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 22: 36 New
    +1
    Yes, it’s stupid, to develop a rocket with the same performance characteristics and, in some respects, below this is wrecking, I would understand if such elements as RGCh were mentioned in the context of increasing it to at least 32 elements (already in service), or increasing power of the supplied BZ, and here, following the agreements, we make monoblocks and reduce the BZ, such as updated the frame and cut the functionality, but what do we need this for? I'm sorry to cut the loot ?:
  25. Conepatus
    Conepatus 31 July 2013 23: 07 New
    +2
    Amer once said that if they can destroy the entire nuclear potential of the USSR, but at least 1 will start ONE !!!!!! "Voivode", then the Russians will get the United States from the other world. Now p and nd about I am building up missile defense, releasing new CDs, and the "expert" in social and political research, rubbing that deterrence weapons should not have such excess power. on the contrary, it is necessary to put on all the agreements (as America does) and increase the number and power of nuclear forces.
    IMHO
  26. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 2 August 2013 20: 15 New
    +1
    Improvement and strengthening of the probable enemy’s missile defense systems dictates the need to change approaches to the strategy of using nuclear deterrence. The most important task is to overcome the layered multi-level missile defense system. Therefore, the means of delivery of nuclear warheads must be maneuverable, have a sufficient number of false warheads as part of the group of warheads, as well as means of active and passive jamming elements. This approach forces us to reduce the total weight of the total warhead (warheads with separable units), due to the use of means to overcome the enemy’s missile defense. But a warhead weighing more than 4's is also an excellent “present” for the adversary.